Quote from: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 07:28:48 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on February 10, 2019, 07:23:11 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 07:11:16 PMCurran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home. I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.If Curran was low 80s I'd be less concerned, that's roughly where Anderson is and he's found a way to be effective all over the world, getting down to mid 70s is the problem. I'm just glad that the inevitable tough series has come now rather than during the ashes.I really don't worry about us too much at home Paul. I think even Anderson doesn't look anywhere near the same threat away from home. So done like Woakes bowls in the 80's, but again just doesn't really carry too much of a threat away.
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 10, 2019, 07:23:11 PMQuote from: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 07:11:16 PMCurran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home. I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.If Curran was low 80s I'd be less concerned, that's roughly where Anderson is and he's found a way to be effective all over the world, getting down to mid 70s is the problem. I'm just glad that the inevitable tough series has come now rather than during the ashes.
Quote from: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 07:11:16 PMCurran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.Guys bowling swing in the low 80's mph are really useful in English conditions, but struggle away from home. I do think we need that extra bit of pace as an option when we play away from home.
Curran was the real problem, and I don't think it's his fault. A bowler who gets extravagant swing at 75mph was always going to have a series where it just didn't go for him (I posted pretty much this when he broke through) for him to fulfil his potential and be the bowling all-rounder we really want he needs to get his pace up to 80-85 without losing the ability to swing both ways. It's the same challenge Woakes had.Eithre way I agree that Wood and Stone should be a big part of the squad going forward and then once Jimmy and Broad drop out we'll need to look for another out and out quick (meaning 3 all rounders in Woakes, Stokes and Curran and 3 tail enders). From what I've seen I expect that new bowler will be Brookes who is quick but also gets extra bounce and gives a different threat.
Whilst Anderson isnt the same threat away from home, he is still a high class performer in most conditions.The very minimum you will get from him away from home is excellent control.
Looking ahead how about this team for the WC :HalesRoyBairstowMorganStokesButtlerAliWoakesRashidWoodStone Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !
Nice to see a big Black Country Villa flag at the ground
Quote from: Richard on February 10, 2019, 10:12:56 PMLooking ahead how about this team for the WC :HalesRoyBairstowMorganStokesButtlerAliWoakesRashidWoodStone Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !In a WC at home there is no chance that Root is going to be rested. He averages over 51 in that form of the game, and at present, he himself is probably a better limited over than test cricketer. I think the fact he doesn't captain the ODI side is almost like a rest to him anyway.
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 10, 2019, 11:55:28 PMQuote from: Richard on February 10, 2019, 10:12:56 PMLooking ahead how about this team for the WC :HalesRoyBairstowMorganStokesButtlerAliWoakesRashidWoodStone Root needs to prepare for the Ashes !In a WC at home there is no chance that Root is going to be rested. He averages over 51 in that form of the game, and at present, he himself is probably a better limited over than test cricketer. I think the fact he doesn't captain the ODI side is almost like a rest to him anyway.Vaughan and Cook were on Five Live last night and both were saying that Root is a key part of the ODI side and is the glue which allows the others to go out and attack. He will almost certainly bat three in the World Cup and the opening partnership will be two of Bairstow, Roy or Hales.
A pleasing and comprehensive win but all the more mystifying that we didn't warm up properly prior to the tests. We cannot be so complacent against the Aussies, good job we are halfway through the championship campaign by the time it kicks off as we'd be undercooked again.