Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2020, 09:33:41 AMQuote from: Mister E on February 17, 2020, 09:17:25 AMAEG was having a stormer and Samatta didn't need subbing yesterday.Smith's biggest mistake is in not bringing in a proper defence coach - this is what will cause our demise, not his substitutions.Please explain what is needed to be defensively coached.- not playing such a high line when the central centre-back is short of pace- not playing such a high line when the opposition's front three are grease-lightning speed- defending corners and other set pieces in range of the penalty area- distributing the ball from the backWhen our goals-conceded is the worst in the division and our previous season also saw a poor defensive return (in terms of goals-conceded), I'd say there's a problem with our defence-coaching. It may be the players we have, but inidividually each have skills that suggest they could be decent. I personally believe that it is coaching that is an issue.Yes, midfield does not offer the best cover to our defence; yes, we need a better-than-average DMF.
Quote from: Mister E on February 17, 2020, 09:17:25 AMAEG was having a stormer and Samatta didn't need subbing yesterday.Smith's biggest mistake is in not bringing in a proper defence coach - this is what will cause our demise, not his substitutions.Please explain what is needed to be defensively coached.
AEG was having a stormer and Samatta didn't need subbing yesterday.Smith's biggest mistake is in not bringing in a proper defence coach - this is what will cause our demise, not his substitutions.
I don't think we were especially going for it on 94 minutes yesterday, it was just a catastrophic individual mistake. If Engels had got any sort of contact on the ball instead of doing an Enckelman, then it was pretty much game over, and would have been a well-earned point.
Quote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 02:00:47 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 17, 2020, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:21:28 PMAnother point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of seasonWatford.And Brighton. Where a defender scored the winner in the 94th minute, when perhaps he should have been in his own half securing the point?We comparing brighton and watford to spurs? It was a bsd mistake by smith in my opinion knowing the quality spurs possess.That dropped point and goal could vital come end of season. He needs to stop gambling its costing us big time.I'm not comparing Spurs as a team to Brighton as a team, I'm merely pointing out that the "bad mistake" as you put it, of trying to win the game late on was something that got us wins against Watford and Brighton.I also don't know where you get the idea that we only had two players back? Look at the position of our back three as the ball is played forward. Nothing really wrong with their position, and Nakamba well placed for the second ball, it's just that Son anticipated a mistake, and the other two central defenders didn't. It was a technical mistake, not a tactical one. It doesn't matter how many defenders you have back level with Engels, if the only one anticipating the miskick is Son, he gets through on goal every single time.
Quote from: Smithy on February 17, 2020, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:21:28 PMAnother point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of seasonWatford.And Brighton. Where a defender scored the winner in the 94th minute, when perhaps he should have been in his own half securing the point?We comparing brighton and watford to spurs? It was a bsd mistake by smith in my opinion knowing the quality spurs possess.That dropped point and goal could vital come end of season. He needs to stop gambling its costing us big time.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:21:28 PMAnother point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of seasonWatford.And Brighton. Where a defender scored the winner in the 94th minute, when perhaps he should have been in his own half securing the point?
Quote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:21:28 PMAnother point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of seasonWatford.
Another point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of season
Quote from: Smithy on February 17, 2020, 02:34:14 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 02:00:47 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 17, 2020, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:21:28 PMAnother point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of seasonWatford.And Brighton. Where a defender scored the winner in the 94th minute, when perhaps he should have been in his own half securing the point?We comparing brighton and watford to spurs? It was a bsd mistake by smith in my opinion knowing the quality spurs possess.That dropped point and goal could vital come end of season. He needs to stop gambling its costing us big time.I'm not comparing Spurs as a team to Brighton as a team, I'm merely pointing out that the "bad mistake" as you put it, of trying to win the game late on was something that got us wins against Watford and Brighton.I also don't know where you get the idea that we only had two players back? Look at the position of our back three as the ball is played forward. Nothing really wrong with their position, and Nakamba well placed for the second ball, it's just that Son anticipated a mistake, and the other two central defenders didn't. It was a technical mistake, not a tactical one. It doesn't matter how many defenders you have back level with Engels, if the only one anticipating the miskick is Son, he gets through on goal every single time.Looking at that photo jesus the positioning is absolutely atrocious. Our line looks way too high.Those three near the stand they are not marking anyone. Nakamba for me should be a bit further back not at half way line.Konsa is too close to engels as well for me. But from that photo only engels and konsa are behind son.Thats what makes brilliant footballers anticipating mistakes. We dont seem to do that sadly.
Quote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 05:55:56 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 17, 2020, 02:34:14 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 02:00:47 PMQuote from: Smithy on February 17, 2020, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 12:42:08 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:21:28 PMAnother point on smith why the helm did he puss so many peope foraard at such a vital stage of the game?? Jesus there is no way with 90 seconds left we should only havetwo have players back. His naive and quite frankly idiotic decisions at times are costing us points. A point and a gaol goal conceded could be vital come end of seasonWatford.And Brighton. Where a defender scored the winner in the 94th minute, when perhaps he should have been in his own half securing the point?We comparing brighton and watford to spurs? It was a bsd mistake by smith in my opinion knowing the quality spurs possess.That dropped point and goal could vital come end of season. He needs to stop gambling its costing us big time.I'm not comparing Spurs as a team to Brighton as a team, I'm merely pointing out that the "bad mistake" as you put it, of trying to win the game late on was something that got us wins against Watford and Brighton.I also don't know where you get the idea that we only had two players back? Look at the position of our back three as the ball is played forward. Nothing really wrong with their position, and Nakamba well placed for the second ball, it's just that Son anticipated a mistake, and the other two central defenders didn't. It was a technical mistake, not a tactical one. It doesn't matter how many defenders you have back level with Engels, if the only one anticipating the miskick is Son, he gets through on goal every single time.Looking at that photo jesus the positioning is absolutely atrocious. Our line looks way too high.Those three near the stand they are not marking anyone. Nakamba for me should be a bit further back not at half way line.Konsa is too close to engels as well for me. But from that photo only engels and konsa are behind son.Thats what makes brilliant footballers anticipating mistakes. We dont seem to do that sadly.There's a bit to unpack, here, so forgive me - but I feel obliged to pick on some of this. The positioning of the defence is precisely as it was for the 93 minutes that preceded it. The high line and high-press is what led us to having most of the ball and creating the best chances in the first half - denying their front four 'room to play'. It worked pretty well in the first-half, and but for a poor finish from Luiz we'd have been 2-0 up. Now, if your position is we - as a team - should not be defending with a high line, then that's fair enough. I would disagree, but that's a perfectly reasonable position to hold. BUT that wasn't your point originally, it was "why did Smith have so many people forward at such a vital stage of the game" and "why did he only leave two defenders back" - whereas he demonstrably did not have "so many people forward" or leave "only two defenders back"As for the three "not marking anyone", well, it was OUR set-piece, and two of them had just gone for a header (unchallenged). I don't believe even Mourinho, at the height of his bus-parking days, ever had his players marking the opposition during their OWN set-pieces. That would be negative to a level not really seen in the professional game. On our goal kick it's for them to mark US. Be aware of them, obviously - but mark them? Nonsense. When possession is lost, we move ahead with our press and mark them. If your midfield is marking the opposition on your own set-pieces, when do you... you know, attack?And finally, anticipating mistakes is not what makes brilliant footballers. Because at the very top level such mistakes are VERY few and far between, if your movement during the game was focussed on anticipating the mistakes of your team-mates, you'd be wasting a LOT of energy and losing momentum when in possession. Yes, defenders often come round on the cover to anticipate a teammate missing or losing a header or tackle, but NOT when the ball is coming at them at foot level and they aren't under pressure. Konsa and Hause did nothing wrong by not sprinting backwards on the off-chance Engels missed the ball.Spurs' third goal was nothing but a catastrophic individual technical error. It wasn't a tactical error. It wasn't because we had too many men forward. It wasn't because the midfield wasn't marking anyone. It wasn't because the two other central defenders didn't anticipate such a massive mistake. If Engels connects with that ball the way he would 999 times out of a thousand, we get a deserved point.
I really don’t think it matters wherever anyone is positioned when such an unexpected, unforced, individual mistake is made.
Disagree, there is always someone who is going to be last man and you wouldn’t plan for a mistake like that in a kids game. The three central defenders look in a good shape in that photo, you can’t legislate for it.
It’s pretty obvious that a few criticizing the shape have never played in defense or maybe at all.