Quote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: paul_e on December 06, 2019, 10:23:12 AMQuote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 09:58:55 PMI have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.No I admit I haven’t bothered posting on here for years, apart from briefly last Christmas because I know it’s pointless because I’ll just get a reaction like I’m getting, or like other people that dare say anything would get. Why thinking Smith isn’t good enough would reflect badly on me is beyond me, and it shows that you aren’t actually really allowed an opinion that differs from the parameters of the norm on here Your last post of last season was after Stoke away so don't come the "I'm being driven away" bollocks.
Quote from: paul_e on December 06, 2019, 10:23:12 AMQuote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 09:58:55 PMI have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.No I admit I haven’t bothered posting on here for years, apart from briefly last Christmas because I know it’s pointless because I’ll just get a reaction like I’m getting, or like other people that dare say anything would get. Why thinking Smith isn’t good enough would reflect badly on me is beyond me, and it shows that you aren’t actually really allowed an opinion that differs from the parameters of the norm on here
Quote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 09:58:55 PMI have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.
Quote from: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 09:58:55 PMI have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.
I have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2019, 10:16:53 AMWhat sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all he’s done?The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.I like Smith and want him to stay and succeed. But if he takes us down or we're cut adrift at any point, he should be chopped. Ranieri won Leicester the title, but looked like relegating them the following season, and after sacking him they'ved ended up with Rodgers and being Liverpool's only challenger for the title this season. I hope we stay up comfortably and then kick on again next season under Smith, mind. Which I think we will do, just need to replace the utterly useless Wesley in January and chalk it down to experience.
What sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all he’s done?The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on December 06, 2019, 01:30:09 AMI don't think anyone has been suggesting they want a change, have they?Not really, one poster has highlighted concerns on Smith, some valid, some OTT.
I don't think anyone has been suggesting they want a change, have they?
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 06, 2019, 10:35:24 AMQuote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: paul_e on December 06, 2019, 10:23:12 AMQuote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 09:58:55 PMI have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.No I admit I haven’t bothered posting on here for years, apart from briefly last Christmas because I know it’s pointless because I’ll just get a reaction like I’m getting, or like other people that dare say anything would get. Why thinking Smith isn’t good enough would reflect badly on me is beyond me, and it shows that you aren’t actually really allowed an opinion that differs from the parameters of the norm on here Your last post of last season was after Stoke away so don't come the "I'm being driven away" bollocks.Dave, before you swear at me, may I point out that not once have I claimed to be being driven away. Bearing in mind I’ve donated to the site every year for the last 12 or so years and have just done so again, that’s pretty insulting really
Quote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 10:37:40 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on December 06, 2019, 10:35:24 AMQuote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 10:32:30 AMQuote from: paul_e on December 06, 2019, 10:23:12 AMQuote from: Ketzster on December 06, 2019, 09:59:37 AMQuote from: Clampy on December 05, 2019, 09:58:55 PMI have noticed a trend on here over recent years. We lose a game or two and suddenly people seem to lose a bit of sense of reality or lose their shit, maybe a bit of both. Posts like keltzers amaze me really, it's almost as if us getting promoted passed him by completley or the way we were promoted wasn't good enough for him. Smith has had to do so much in such a short space of time and it's still a learning curve for him as manager and its also a learning curve for the club as well. Let's just finish out of the bottom three and take it from there.If Smith stays we go down and there’s no point in getting promoted just to go straight back down. I don’t think Smith is good enough, and I have said that whether we’ve won games or lost games. So it’s not a knee jerk reaction. As my friends have said, I’ve been consistent on Smith all year. He has a long list of mistakes, whether it’s the never changing formation, keep playing Wesley, not making changes during a game, the players messing around on the edge of their own box etc. Why keep playing 4-3-3 when we don’t have the pace to do so for example? Any other manager would would get hammered for it. Especially as they are repetitive mistakes. The notion he hasn’t found his best team yet, he didn’t last season before Derby either. So that’s twice in a year for prolonged periods he hasn’t, and if Grealish hadn’t come back his managerial ability would have continued to be exposed like it was being. He gets a free ride because he is a Villa fan. That’s great from a marketing point of view but doesn’t necessarily mean he is the best manager we could have for where we are. Results prove that. We finished 5th last season, without Grealish we would have finished near the relegation zone the way things were going when we were reliant on Smith to find a way. And this season we have beaten 4 dreadful teams. He’s a mid championship level manager and with the weaknesses he shows that seems about right.Where exactly have you said it after we've won games because it wasn't here. Instead you seem to have waited until a bad performance away at Stamford Bridge to then come out and say that Smith is shit and has done nothing of note, that you an't even give him credit for promotion reflects a lot worse on you than anyone else.No I admit I haven’t bothered posting on here for years, apart from briefly last Christmas because I know it’s pointless because I’ll just get a reaction like I’m getting, or like other people that dare say anything would get. Why thinking Smith isn’t good enough would reflect badly on me is beyond me, and it shows that you aren’t actually really allowed an opinion that differs from the parameters of the norm on here Your last post of last season was after Stoke away so don't come the "I'm being driven away" bollocks.Dave, before you swear at me, may I point out that not once have I claimed to be being driven away. Bearing in mind I’ve donated to the site every year for the last 12 or so years and have just done so again, that’s pretty insulting reallySaying you're not allowed a different opinion and you haven't posted since Christmas because of the reaction you got is much the same thing.
Smith is far from perfect but the criticism ketzster is giving is so ridiculously over the top that it's not worth addressing directly. The one that particularly annoys me is the 'why won't he change the formation' argument that comes up almost any time any manager has a few poor results. The reason is that changing the formation on a whim, midway through a season very rarely sees an improvement, more often than not the performance levels dip dramatically because the team aren't used to the new shape.However there are, for me, 2 valid criticisms of Smith right now.Firstly, he could do better with subs, often making them too late when a player has needed to be replaced for 10 minutes before he responds, this one benefits from hindsight a lot though.Secondly our performances in the 2nd half don't match the first half. we've scored 12 and conceded 6 in the first half of all our games, that's a very good record and he needs to find a way to replicate that in the 2nd half of games, part of this could be the subs issue but I think there's also been some mental weaknesses at times where the players, collectively, can't seem to believe that they're ahead deep into the 2nd half against Tottenham/Arsenal/Liverpool and that plays on their minds.
Quote from: paul_e on December 06, 2019, 10:57:26 AMSmith is far from perfect but the criticism ketzster is giving is so ridiculously over the top that it's not worth addressing directly. The one that particularly annoys me is the 'why won't he change the formation' argument that comes up almost any time any manager has a few poor results. The reason is that changing the formation on a whim, midway through a season very rarely sees an improvement, more often than not the performance levels dip dramatically because the team aren't used to the new shape.However there are, for me, 2 valid criticisms of Smith right now.Firstly, he could do better with subs, often making them too late when a player has needed to be replaced for 10 minutes before he responds, this one benefits from hindsight a lot though.Secondly our performances in the 2nd half don't match the first half. we've scored 12 and conceded 6 in the first half of all our games, that's a very good record and he needs to find a way to replicate that in the 2nd half of games, part of this could be the subs issue but I think there's also been some mental weaknesses at times where the players, collectively, can't seem to believe that they're ahead deep into the 2nd half against Tottenham/Arsenal/Liverpool and that plays on their minds.The changing formation thing isn’t just the starting formation though, it’s the game management changing formation. Surely at Arsenal away for example, he could have tried something different to see the game out? But he never does. No we might not have won but at least he’d have tried something. That’s what drives me mad about him, that he never ever tries anything different
Quote from: Risso on December 06, 2019, 10:33:12 AMQuote from: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2019, 10:16:53 AMWhat sort of club would we be seen to be if we fired Smith after all he’s done?The team does fight for him, there looks like a togetherness. The fans relationship with club and team has been the best for many years. The football is good to watch. We are selling out every week and the bloke got us out of the Division when it looked impossible.There are so many positive things from the Smith regime.I am critical of his game management but to suggest we should get rid is truly bonkers.I like Smith and want him to stay and succeed. But if he takes us down or we're cut adrift at any point, he should be chopped. Ranieri won Leicester the title, but looked like relegating them the following season, and after sacking him they'ved ended up with Rodgers and being Liverpool's only challenger for the title this season. I hope we stay up comfortably and then kick on again next season under Smith, mind. Which I think we will do, just need to replace the utterly useless Wesley in January and chalk it down to experience.Leicester also sacked two more managers before they got Rodgers. The last thing we need is another four in three years upheaval.