Quote from: Mr Speedy H on May 12, 2014, 11:54:42 AMQuote from: QBVILLA on May 12, 2014, 11:52:26 AM...and then I think not as he has presided over some deeply embarrassing results.Yes, but then we also have some excellent results. Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea spring to mind.The problem is, those matches you mention consist of one third of our entire win count, and we managed to lose more than half the matches we played this season - P38 W10 D7 L21.They were good results and performances, yes, but they're of limited use if you go on to get your arse comprehensively handed to you by the likes of Fulham, Palace or Stoke, all of whom did the double over us.
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 12, 2014, 11:52:26 AM...and then I think not as he has presided over some deeply embarrassing results.Yes, but then we also have some excellent results. Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea spring to mind.
...and then I think not as he has presided over some deeply embarrassing results.
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 12, 2014, 12:08:59 PMQuote from: supertom on May 12, 2014, 12:01:21 PMLambert is well out of his depth. He still would be even with a bigger budget. He's got no tactical nous at all and 9/10 makes the wrong decision.Keep him at the club and we're just setting ourselves up for another season of struggle. The more we flirt with relegation, the more chance we'll eventually go down.With the current squad it is inevitable. Personally I think managing to keep that group of players in the top flight is an achievement. If the entire squad was put up for sale tomorrow i'd say only three or four would go to Premiership clubs.He bought most of these players and chose to alienate established Premier League players at the club. He spent almost 40 million in two summers as well. Not a great deal, but not peanuts either. Instead of the 13-14 players he bought, he could have bought half as many players who were better quality. Ultimately, results fall on the managers head. Look at what Pulis managed at Palace with a poorer squad and less money. And Pulis is an average manager.
Quote from: supertom on May 12, 2014, 12:01:21 PMLambert is well out of his depth. He still would be even with a bigger budget. He's got no tactical nous at all and 9/10 makes the wrong decision.Keep him at the club and we're just setting ourselves up for another season of struggle. The more we flirt with relegation, the more chance we'll eventually go down.With the current squad it is inevitable. Personally I think managing to keep that group of players in the top flight is an achievement. If the entire squad was put up for sale tomorrow i'd say only three or four would go to Premiership clubs.
Lambert is well out of his depth. He still would be even with a bigger budget. He's got no tactical nous at all and 9/10 makes the wrong decision.Keep him at the club and we're just setting ourselves up for another season of struggle. The more we flirt with relegation, the more chance we'll eventually go down.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2014, 12:13:44 PMQuote from: Mr Speedy H on May 12, 2014, 11:54:42 AMQuote from: QBVILLA on May 12, 2014, 11:52:26 AM...and then I think not as he has presided over some deeply embarrassing results.Yes, but then we also have some excellent results. Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea spring to mind.The problem is, those matches you mention consist of one third of our entire win count, and we managed to lose more than half the matches we played this season - P38 W10 D7 L21.They were good results and performances, yes, but they're of limited use if you go on to get your arse comprehensively handed to you by the likes of Fulham, Palace or Stoke, all of whom did the double over us.Don't make us even shitter than we actually are, we drew 8, yes EIGHT, and only lost 20!
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 12, 2014, 11:58:53 AMQuote from: Mr Speedy H on May 12, 2014, 11:54:42 AMQuote from: QBVILLA on May 12, 2014, 11:52:26 AM...and then I think not as he has presided over some deeply embarrassing results.Yes, but then we also have some excellent results. Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea spring to mind.true but not many , not as many as palace and sunderland etc etc and still can not believe we won the Man city game . I was over the moon with chavski result , not sure we would have won it with will I am not being sent off.I thought we were good against Liverpool , my favourite performance but there was so many terrible performances too . We broke every awful record this year and our better players have been the ones were MON's signings.I just can not believe how backwards we have gone since the first two games .Things like that is just being negative for the shake of it. We fully deserved that win against Chelsea, yes things might have been different without the sending offs, but that is Football, we played our part, the rest is fate.There's been so many down points this season can we at least enjoy the few highs...
Quote from: Mr Speedy H on May 12, 2014, 11:54:42 AMQuote from: QBVILLA on May 12, 2014, 11:52:26 AM...and then I think not as he has presided over some deeply embarrassing results.Yes, but then we also have some excellent results. Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea spring to mind.true but not many , not as many as palace and sunderland etc etc and still can not believe we won the Man city game . I was over the moon with chavski result , not sure we would have won it with will I am not being sent off.I thought we were good against Liverpool , my favourite performance but there was so many terrible performances too . We broke every awful record this year and our better players have been the ones were MON's signings.I just can not believe how backwards we have gone since the first two games .
I think Lambert signed some pretty good players, actually - last season we saw what Westwood and Lowton can do when on form - but his coaching and tactics are so terribly inadequate that these players actually got worse the more we were exposed to them.We have to wise up. We cannot accept, in 20-twatting-14, a manager who thinks that long balls to a big man are an acceptable attacking tactic, a manager who doesn't trust the idea of wingers, a manager who plays five at the back at home, a manager who thinks he's onto something novel with this 'number 10' concept and proceeds to patronise us all to death about it.MON was stuck in the '70s, and it showed. Lambert is stuck in the '90s, and it's showing. We need a manager who understands the game as it's played now, and as fans we need to get out of our puritanical, skill-mistrusting, ploddy English biases and start to demand more thought and higher standards from our manager.
I can see this getting merged with the Lambert thread soon as it will be the same things said on both. I think Lambert has had a harder job than most of us thought, however, whether he's had to cope with financial restraints, injuries, his backroom staff fucking him over or whatever else may or may not be going on, it's no excuse for the utter dross style of football we play most weeks.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 12, 2014, 11:42:58 AMI can see this getting merged with the Lambert thread soon as it will be the same things said on both. I think Lambert has had a harder job than most of us thought, however, whether he's had to cope with financial restraints, injuries, his backroom staff fucking him over or whatever else may or may not be going on, it's no excuse for the utter dross style of football we play most weeks.I'm inclined to think that the things listed are a pretty convincing set of excuses!We've seen some moments of promise with Lambert, and on a very tight budget.
...but I want Lambert to stay.As Villa fans we all know one thing. The last three seasons we have been more than lucky. We have avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth which is not good enough for the mighty Aston Villa.However.When you look at it Lambert was bought in to do one thing: minimise the wage bill; a task made infinitely difficult by the fact he had to completely restructure a team, and throw out the crap from the previous two, three, even four seasons, purchased at high prices on ridiculous wages. It's clear to see that some of PL's signings were also utter rubbish and didn't work out the way he planned, but you show me a club where every single signing has worked out perfectly. On the other hand, there are a few good players that have worked out. PL's tactics weren't perfect either but I'd love you to show me a manager who gets every decision spot-on. We're playing in the most advanced, quickest, most aggressive, talented and spectacular football league in the world. Things will never always go in our favour. I'd be stupid if I said that we're not a struggling club and there were times this season when I literally sat down and worked out how likely we were to be sent down, which ended with a 'highly likely' most of the times. For the last three seasons we've been flirting with relegation and I think that's something Lerner has realised. He knows we can't carry on with little to no investment or we'll end up like Leeds, Wigan, Portsmouth, and start on a steep and slippery slope to the lower leagues.I'm fully aware that continuing in this state will send us down, it's obvious and it doesn't take a genius to see it, but I just think sacking Lambert will be us wasting a good manager. The club is as good as sold (according to a lot of people in a lot of places), so let someone come in who will allow Lambert a bit more freedom and money, and I'm sure he'll do a better job. If, by Christmas, he's not stepped things up then I'll be the first to say he should go, but I firmly believe now is not the time.Before you start ripping me apart, I'm not saying that another manager wouldn't have done a better job but with the task ahead I think a few of them would have run away without reaching the end of the interview. Which is something I admire PL for. He actually stepped up to the plate and took this job on. It's not been easy, and he's perhaps not done it to the standard that us Villa fans would like, but there is one thing that we can all thank him for: He's kept us in the Premier League.I just wanted to share my opinion.Love & hugs.Mark
Rolta many of the things you say are correct, but it has to be acknowledged that he really thinks long balls constitute a valid attacking method, that his 'I call them number 10s, number 10s I call them' stuff was incredibly embarrassing, and that he has absolutely no long-term vision for how we should play and it shows in the muddled performances they cack out every week. He has this in common with almost every other failing manager over the last season - Moyes, Sherwood, Hughton, Pardew - and stands opposed to every successful manager this season in this regard - Pochettino, Rodgers, Martinez, even Pellegrini (AVB is the anomaly here, and there might be more to that story than initially meets the eye). These things are not coincidences.