Quote from: ktvillan on June 24, 2013, 12:50:03 PMQuote from: OCD on June 23, 2013, 06:31:05 PMQuote from: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2013, 06:11:40 PMDerrick Williams perhaps?He actually came on at QPR and was on the bench at the end of last season. You know Vlaar and especially Baker will miss games through injury next season.Baker's injuries are likely to be concussions with the way he keeps putting his head into places where others are kicking. I've thought for years that we don't get enough of our kids in decent season-long, playing most games, type of loans. Is that because we've been holding onto them (probably yes in recent years with such a small squad) or is it because clubs aren't particularly interested in some of them? For how well heralded our youth system is, their doesn't tend to be many individuals talents. Weimann's probably the only one of the recent batch. Our successes at youth levels tend to be because we're good at putting teams together at that level. I really hope we can raise the standard of individual talents as well building the teams and that we develop them ready for 1st team football by getting them one or two season long loans where they're playing regularly. I've been saying for a long time that maybe the emphasis is wrong in our youth set up, too much stress on producing good youth teams that win trophies and not enough on developing top, mentally strong individual players with great technique. I'm not sure Southampton have won many youth competitions but they have managed to produce much better individual players over the last few years.I don't think that's the case. Our problem for a long time has been that our youth teams have been setup to play in a specific way, right the way up to the reserves, but our first team hasn't played that type of football before, so they come through and look lost. We've had a massive disconnect between the first team and the club for a while, I think Lambert has us playing football more suited to them now though, so I'm optimistic that our young prospects will have a better time of it from here on.
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2013, 06:31:05 PMQuote from: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2013, 06:11:40 PMDerrick Williams perhaps?He actually came on at QPR and was on the bench at the end of last season. You know Vlaar and especially Baker will miss games through injury next season.Baker's injuries are likely to be concussions with the way he keeps putting his head into places where others are kicking. I've thought for years that we don't get enough of our kids in decent season-long, playing most games, type of loans. Is that because we've been holding onto them (probably yes in recent years with such a small squad) or is it because clubs aren't particularly interested in some of them? For how well heralded our youth system is, their doesn't tend to be many individuals talents. Weimann's probably the only one of the recent batch. Our successes at youth levels tend to be because we're good at putting teams together at that level. I really hope we can raise the standard of individual talents as well building the teams and that we develop them ready for 1st team football by getting them one or two season long loans where they're playing regularly. I've been saying for a long time that maybe the emphasis is wrong in our youth set up, too much stress on producing good youth teams that win trophies and not enough on developing top, mentally strong individual players with great technique. I'm not sure Southampton have won many youth competitions but they have managed to produce much better individual players over the last few years.
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2013, 06:11:40 PMDerrick Williams perhaps?He actually came on at QPR and was on the bench at the end of last season. You know Vlaar and especially Baker will miss games through injury next season.Baker's injuries are likely to be concussions with the way he keeps putting his head into places where others are kicking. I've thought for years that we don't get enough of our kids in decent season-long, playing most games, type of loans. Is that because we've been holding onto them (probably yes in recent years with such a small squad) or is it because clubs aren't particularly interested in some of them? For how well heralded our youth system is, their doesn't tend to be many individuals talents. Weimann's probably the only one of the recent batch. Our successes at youth levels tend to be because we're good at putting teams together at that level. I really hope we can raise the standard of individual talents as well building the teams and that we develop them ready for 1st team football by getting them one or two season long loans where they're playing regularly.
Derrick Williams perhaps?He actually came on at QPR and was on the bench at the end of last season. You know Vlaar and especially Baker will miss games through injury next season.
We just produce a lot of average players. No real top drawer players, in my opinion.
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2013, 01:54:56 PMWe just produce a lot of average players. No real top drawer players, in my opinion.It's all very well saying that but how would we improve the situation?
Quote from: not3bad on June 24, 2013, 02:00:11 PMQuote from: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2013, 01:54:56 PMWe just produce a lot of average players. No real top drawer players, in my opinion.It's all very well saying that but how would we improve the situation? Not my area, I'm afraid. There are people qualified to sort that out
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2013, 01:54:56 PMWe just produce a lot of average players. No real top drawer players, in my opinion.that's the problem. Many of the players are brought through out of neccessity as opposed to strictly on merit. if we were a league one club then that's a different story. You have to do it out of neccessity. As a PL club only the very best should make it through at this level. It is up to the player to prove he deserves to beat out an established first team player to that spot. For too long we have talked up the young kids for them then to not sustain their development. I believe Lambert will be trying to change that. It should be hard work breaking through.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 02:27:59 PMQuote from: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2013, 01:54:56 PMWe just produce a lot of average players. No real top drawer players, in my opinion.that's the problem. Many of the players are brought through out of neccessity as opposed to strictly on merit. if we were a league one club then that's a different story. You have to do it out of neccessity. As a PL club only the very best should make it through at this level. It is up to the player to prove he deserves to beat out an established first team player to that spot. For too long we have talked up the young kids for them then to not sustain their development. I believe Lambert will be trying to change that. It should be hard work breaking through.I'm sure I read that we take on far less kids than most other Premier League teams, only taking on the brightest prospects. Most PL clubs just take on and then discard (for want of a better word) loads of youngsters.
We actually got Ridgewell from West Ham and Guzan from Chivas in MLS. So that's 7 at most which is crap really.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 04:41:00 PMWe actually got Ridgewell from West Ham and Guzan from Chivas in MLS. So that's 7 at most which is crap really.Do you think 7 premiership quality players in 8 years is crap? Of course the quality could be better but I wouldn't call it crap.
I do like the look of Donacien from what i've seen of him. He'll be ok i reckon.