Sunderland v Rock Bottom Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[pauliewalnuts]

The trophy room was going to be included in the new North Stand, which is another thing Lerner gave up on.

To be fair every time expanding the ground has reared it's head on here, other than the chance of fleecing 3-5000 extra tourists for Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal over the last few years we'd barely have ever needed the extra capacity has seemed to be the general consensus. We certainly won't be needing it in the near future.  From what I can recall when plans for redeveloping The North Stand were first mooted it was on the basis of "when the demand is there."

Anyway if we'd run off and spent tens of millions on building a stand we didn't need from a capacity point of view you'd probably be one of the first jumping up and down about why we spending money on needless vanity projects instead of pouring it into the transfer / wages budget.

Developing the North Stand isn't just about adding capacity, though, the main reason (I'd imagine) would be to improve the facilities, which are pretty horrible in there.

If we were doing that, and rebuilding it, then it'd make more sense to build in the extra capacity than it would build it smaller (on the basis that the marginal increase in costs for adding - random numbers - 15k seats rather than 12k seats would be relatively small compared to the overall costs of rebuilding it).

[dave.woodhall]

I'm not saying that. I think it's down to the club. There are replicas of the FA cup, The Division 1 trophy from '81 and the European Cup in a cabinet in the players tunnel.

Yes you did say that. You said "every trophy a club wins a replica is made". If only it had been true in 1895.

Fair enough I did say that and i was wrong. I know what the guy said about the trophy haul and I've been trying to work out how it was possible. Maybe he made it up.

If it's who I think it is, he wouldn't have made it up but he could have meant stuff we've been given on tour or in friendlies. There's a few on display in  the North Stand reception and to be honest they're not particuarly interesting.

[aj2k77]

What about Dougs crypt where he regenerates himself every night, we could have that in the museum too.

[supertom]

Is Makoun's jumper in the cabinet?
And is Mo Salifou still seen roaming the ground at night at every full moon?

[passport1]

BFRs sunglasses?  Savos bandana?

[Villa in Denmark]

The trophy room was going to be included in the new North Stand, which is another thing Lerner gave up on.

To be fair every time expanding the ground has reared it's head on here, other than the chance of fleecing 3-5000 extra tourists for Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal over the last few years we'd barely have ever needed the extra capacity has seemed to be the general consensus. We certainly won't be needing it in the near future.  From what I can recall when plans for redeveloping The North Stand were first mooted it was on the basis of "when the demand is there."

Anyway if we'd run off and spent tens of millions on building a stand we didn't need from a capacity point of view you'd probably be one of the first jumping up and down about why we spending money on needless vanity projects instead of pouring it into the transfer / wages budget.

Developing the North Stand isn't just about adding capacity, though, the main reason (I'd imagine) would be to improve the facilities, which are pretty horrible in there.

If we were doing that, and rebuilding it, then it'd make more sense to build in the extra capacity than it would build it smaller (on the basis that the marginal increase in costs for adding - random numbers - 15k seats rather than 12k seats would be relatively small compared to the overall costs of rebuilding it).

I won't deny the North Stand is tatty, with poor facilities and awful legroom if you're over 6'. 2 of my last 3 trips back have been to the North Stand. I'm 6'3" and there is no comfortable position for me unless I've got an aisle seat, but that's why I said we didn't need it from a capacity point of view. 

I agree with everything else you say.  If you do anything with it, build it as large as you can justify economically from a £/seat point of view, but from my recollection any mention of a redevelopment was contingent on the demand being there to start with.

[aj2k77]

BFRs sunglasses?  Savos bandana?

The extra 10% Ron Saunders kept in his pocket for special situations. Gordon Cowans original nose. A pair of Nzogbias trousers. A life size replica of Stephen Irelands wage packet. Empty bottle of 20/20 found in Jack Grealish's dressing room locker.

This museum idea could be a goer.

[Dave Cooper please]

I really can't be bothered to continue this argument for much longer but do you honestly believe that the Birmingham County FA have made a replica of  the Senior Cup every year since 1877?

Pity, it's a lovely trophy (for which we don't enter any more but don't get me fucking started!).

[robbo1874]

What about Dougs crypt where he regenerates himself every night, we could have that in the museum too.

our back 4 could use a few nights in doug's crypt

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Well I got back today from the game. I've not read all posts to this point but I can guess what they said. I have never seem such a team devoid of skill and intelligence - some of the errors were those 9 year old make - throw ins to the opposition, pass to the opposition, keeper beaten at the near post, keeper passing to a marked defender in your own penalty box...............
It was galling as after the equaliser I actually thought we would win.........

Crowd turned ugly too - chants of 'Your not fit to wear the shirt, Lerner is a W****r. Only Hutton gave weak applause at the end to the excellent support the rest disappeared quickly down the tunnel.

Dark days ahead.

I got back today, via my lad's in Cov (I know, I know) for a few beers and so he could cheer me up with words of wisdom and buying a round.

Agree with all of your above Preston...I continue to be astounded by the decision making and inept performances of some of our players, namely Guzan, Bacuna, Gestede, Richards, Hutton.
The lead up to their third goal was farcical yet typical of the team this season.
These are dark days, but where do we (club, manager, this set of players, fans) go from here? Can the days ahead get any darker?
In his pre-Sunderland interview Garde mentioned about coming into the club expecting it to be tough but also that he "discover things you did not expect".
I wonder if this is/was some kind of player malaise/mood/atmosphere...or even basic lack of ability/attitude - whatever - that he finds himself having to battle against. His largely contained frustration suggests to me that the players simply aren't good/willing enough. That the same players - Guzan, Hutton, Richards - continue to make the same mistakes every game must be doing his head in!

It is mine!