Villa v Palace Post Match Thread

[LeeB]

Yes but at PSG he had resources that dwarfed the competition and enough players to compete for every trophy.

That's not the case with us.

[Baldy]

I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.

Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.

Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.

It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!

Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient. 

I'm to old to be patient. 

The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.

Not sure what you mean Percy (probably because I am stupid) but the financial rewards for winning the Carabao or FA Cup pale into insignificance compared to the income generated by qualifying for or winning the Champions League. I think our owners have made it clear to Unai where their priorities lie and domestic cups play no part in that.

My point is, if the domestic cups were more important to fans, as you suggest, they would generate greater income. The prices for admission and TV coverage are generated by demand. If people were prepared to pay £97 to watch us play Crystal Palace in the League Cup, and if viewers were willing to pay subscriptions to watch it, the owners’ message to Unai would be different.

But they’re not, so it isn’t.

Percy, I never suggested that domestic cups were 'more' important to fans. But, they are important and should not be readily dismissed. Particularly now that we have a full squad.

 

[Bully2345]

I don't agree with putting the first team on the bench. If he's giving first teamers a rest, it's right to give them a rest rather than have to turn up and do all the warm ups and prep and then not play.

It'd be like me being given the day off but still having to travel in and sit at my desk with the computer off

[eye digress]

I don't agree with putting the first team on the bench. If he's giving first teamers a rest, it's right to give them a rest rather than have to turn up and do all the warm ups and prep and then not play.

It'd be like me being given the day off but still having to travel in and sit at my desk with the computer off

My view too. Though that made the presence of JJ and Cash a bit weird.

My interpretation of him bringing on the kids late on (and more or less hoisting the white flag on the result), was that he must have promised those guys a few minutes before we went out - as though that were more important than the result.

[Baldy]

Yes but at PSG he had resources that dwarfed the competition and enough players to compete for every trophy.

That's not the case with us.

As said by others, a stronger bench and we probably would have won that game. Is 30 minutes extra playing time for 5 of our star players for the occasional domestic cup match really going to knacker them out?

We are blessed to have Unai, Naz and Wes but I do question their approach to domestic cups. The thought of Spuds or the Geordies raising a trophy also p*sses me off. 

[ChicagoLion]

If you want to properly rest players you do not put them on the bench.Being on the bench means all the preparation and warm ups and being with the team all day or even the night before.This is not resting.
I have no problem with the squad he picked for the game because I believe he is doing what he thinks is best for the club.
Iif you choose to go to a domestic cup match you  know what to expect.

[amfy]

I saw something on the difference in income between the League Cup & Champions League & you get £100,000 for winning the League Cup & we’re getting £2.1 million for every win in The Champions League even now. The League Cup is never going to bring in that money regardless of what the fans want because it doesn’t have an international income for a start.

The League Cup has been won for years by Champions League Teams who can still win by putting out their second string in the early rounds.FA Cup pretty much the same.

We have to hope to be able to move into that range sooner rather than later - To still be able to win a domestic cup even if it isn’t ’a priority’. I don’t think we’re that far off tbh, but we could fall away from there if we don’t get the balance right.

I would have liked us to go through because actually the team we put out was good enough and really the game itself could have gone either way.

The subs was the point when I felt we threw it though - & that was mystifying to me.

Hard to be angry with Unai though isn’t it?

[wince]

I saw something on the difference in income between the League Cup & Champions League & you get £100,000 for winning the League Cup & we’re getting £2.1 million for every win in The Champions League even now. The League Cup is never going to bring in that money regardless of what the fans want because it doesn’t have an international income for a start.

The League Cup has been won for years by Champions League Teams who can still win by putting out their second string in the early rounds.FA Cup pretty much the same.

We have to hope to be able to move into that range sooner rather than later - To still be able to win a domestic cup even if it isn’t ’a priority’. I don’t think we’re that far off tbh, but we could fall away from there if we don’t get the balance right.

I would have liked us to go through because actually the team we put out was good enough and really the game itself could have gone either way.

The subs was the point when I felt we threw it though - & that was mystifying to me.

Hard to be angry with Unai though isn’t it?

It isnt going to be the money spinner compared the the CL but if we are effectively concentrating on the CL and prem, the club are happy enough to take fans money for a game that the club does not see as a priority and costing them out of games that they do. If we are not in it to win it, why bother entering?

[Baldy]

Agreed Wince, be interesting to see if fans choose to keep their money in their own bank account for the FA Cup third round!!

[eamonn]

If you want to properly rest players you do not put them on the bench.Being on the bench means all the preparation and warm ups and being with the team all day or even the night before.This is not resting.
I have no problem with the squad he picked for the game because I believe he is doing what he thinks is best for the club.
Iif you choose to go to a domestic cup match you  know what to expect.

I agree - which is why we may as well have chucked Ramsey on for the last half an hour to try and retrieve the game instead of a couple of callow youths.

[Percy McCarthy]

Agreed Wince, be interesting to see if fans choose to keep their money in their own bank account for the FA Cup third round!!

Well, they’ll be heavily discounted, like they were v Chelsea last season. Which is the biggest indicator of the FA Cup’s importance to the fans.

[LeeB]

Yes but at PSG he had resources that dwarfed the competition and enough players to compete for every trophy.

That's not the case with us.

As said by others, a stronger bench and we probably would have won that game. Is 30 minutes extra playing time for 5 of our star players for the occasional domestic cup match really going to knacker them out?

We are blessed to have Unai, Naz and Wes but I do question their approach to domestic cups. The thought of Spuds or the Geordies raising a trophy also p*sses me off. 

Palace are through and have injuries to their two best players as a result.

Had the same thing happened to us and we lost Watkins and Martinez to injury on Wednesday there would have been murder on here after.

I reckon if we'd have beat Chelsea and went deeper in the FA Cup last season we wouldn't have got over the line and finished 4th.

[Percy McCarthy]

Any idea what this was about?
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Time out until after international break?