Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: Jon Crofts on December 12, 2023, 09:41:39 AM
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Your nominees are:
Stuart Broad
Frankie Dettori
Mary Earps
Alfie Hewitt
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Rory McIlroy
Who will win?
Who should have been a nominee?
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Whenever a heptathlete or decathlete is nominated for this thing I think they should win it. It looks so much harder!
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Not the greatest year for candidates…
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No Tom Pidcock again despite winning Strade Bianche and becoming World XC champion on his MTB in 2023 but a midget on a horse is nominated.
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Whenever a heptathlete or decathlete is nominated for this thing I think they should win it. It looks so much harder!
That's fair enough plus KJT is very likeable. McIlroy should already have won it given his sustained level of excellence. The fact that he hasn't and one hit wonder Radacanu has, is ridiculous. However I'll very surprised if Mary Earps doesn't win it, which would be another daft decision.
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I've never heard of Earps, Hewitt or Johnson-Thompson. Why's McIlroy on there, I'm not a big golf fan but last I heard he hadn't won anything major for years. Is it because he was the mouthpiece against LIV Golf?
Not a great year at all.
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No Tom Pidcock again despite winning Strade Bianche and becoming World XC champion on his MTB in 2023 but a midget on a horse is nominated.
That read like a post on one of our war threads.
Johnson-Thompson on achievement and best name. John McGinn on personality.
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Coach of the year - Unai Emery
Team of the year - Aston Villa
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I've never heard of Earps, Hewitt or Johnson-Thompson. Why's McIlroy on there, I'm not a big golf fan but last I heard he hadn't won anything major for years. Is it because he was the mouthpiece against LIV Golf?
Not a great year at all.
I agree on Hewitt, and had to google him. But Earps was the keeper that got us to the World Cup final, although I would have thought James was the better shout.
KJT, I knew of her from 2012 Olympics but hadn't really followed her career much. She did win the World Champs in her chosen sport but so did Josh Kerr.
As others have mentioned, their does seem to be a dearth of talent this in this years choices and it seems to almost be a lifetime achievement list rather then specifically for 2023. I do agree with Crofts that Pidcock missing from both this and the YSPOTY list is a massive oversight.
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Just getting to a final isn't much to write home about though, surely? I don't remember Jordan Pickford being up for it.
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She saved penalties in two tournament finals England entered that year and won the golden glove for the World Cup. Neither of which Pickford did.
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The first two are basically lifetime achievement awards.
Haven't watched any athletics for years, so don't know what KJT's done this year
Rory seems to have backed off on his LIV condemnation (ie wanting Raum in the Ryder Cup)
No idea who Hewitt is.
Therefore, Earps for the win from a very weak list.
Pidcock at least deserved a nomination, but cyclists need to win the TdF to get a look in.
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No Tom Pidcock again despite winning Strade Bianche and becoming World XC champion on his MTB in 2023 but a midget on a horse is nominated.
As opposed to a midget on a bike.
Judging by his appearance on IACGMOOH Frankie doesn't have much of a personality* either, so he wouldn't be on my list either. (*Yes, I know)
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Not the best year. But KJT is probably the standout from that bunch for what she has achieved this year, and for what she has been through for the last few years.
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KJT had a genuinely amazing world champs after the injury problems she had. Maybe not her best performance in pure numbers but it took a lot to even be there and the sheer will to be competitive was immense. She's my winner by a very long way this year.
Risso, I'd be amazed if you don't recognise her if you google her, she was advertising everything for a few years.
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Alfie Hewett is extremely successful in his sport (wheelchair tennis) and has one tonnes of titles including 5 grand slams this year (3 singles, 2 doubles). If we're talking about pure, top-of-your-game achievements then he should win.
KJT has been one of our top athletes for years and won the Worlds after a long period out.
Really it should come from those two based on merit, I always think individual sports folk shouldn't have to work quite as hard to win it as team players.
I suspect it will be Earps to cement the rise of women's football though. Or maybe Broad (it would be hard to begrudge him).
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KJT had a genuinely amazing world champs after the injury problems she had. Maybe not her best performance in pure numbers but it took a lot to even be there and the sheer will to be competitive was immense. She's my winner by a very long way this year.
Risso, I'd be amazed if you don't recognise her if you google her, she was advertising everything for a few years.
Nope, not a scooby sorry.
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KJT had a genuinely amazing world champs after the injury problems she had. Maybe not her best performance in pure numbers but it took a lot to even be there and the sheer will to be competitive was immense. She's my winner by a very long way this year.
Risso, I'd be amazed if you don't recognise her if you google her, she was advertising everything for a few years.
Nope, not a scooby sorry.
No, same here.
Admittedly, outside of the Villa (and the 49ers), I have very little interest in / knowledge of sport.
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Just getting to a final isn't much to write home about though, surely? I don't remember Jordan Pickford being up for it.
😂
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KJT had a genuinely amazing world champs after the injury problems she had. Maybe not her best performance in pure numbers but it took a lot to even be there and the sheer will to be competitive was immense. She's my winner by a very long way this year.
Risso, I'd be amazed if you don't recognise her if you google her, she was advertising everything for a few years.
Nope, not a scooby sorry.
No, same here.
Admittedly, outside of the Villa (and the 49ers), I have very little interest in / knowledge of sport.
Less of a surprise for someone the other side of the world though.
Either way she deserves this and I'll be amazed if she doesn't win.
https://athleticsweekly.com/interviews/katarina-johnson-thompsons-quiet-revolution-1039971749
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When I heard the nominees were being announced I thought of McGinn straight away. Obviously knowing he wouldn't be. Maybe if Scotland win the Euros (stop sniggering)
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KJT had a genuinely amazing world champs after the injury problems she had. Maybe not her best performance in pure numbers but it took a lot to even be there and the sheer will to be competitive was immense. She's my winner by a very long way this year.
Risso, I'd be amazed if you don't recognise her if you google her, she was advertising everything for a few years.
Nope, not a scooby sorry.
No, same here.
Admittedly, outside of the Villa (and the 49ers), I have very little interest in / knowledge of sport.
Less of a surprise for someone the other side of the world though.
Either way she deserves this and I'll be amazed if she doesn't win.
https://athleticsweekly.com/interviews/katarina-johnson-thompsons-quiet-revolution-1039971749
That's fair enough, mate.
She seems like a star!
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KJT had a genuinely amazing world champs after the injury problems she had. Maybe not her best performance in pure numbers but it took a lot to even be there and the sheer will to be competitive was immense. She's my winner by a very long way this year.
Risso, I'd be amazed if you don't recognise her if you google her, she was advertising everything for a few years.
Nope, not a scooby sorry.
No, same here.
Admittedly, outside of the Villa (and the 49ers), I have very little interest in / knowledge of sport.
Less of a surprise for someone the other side of the world though.
Either way she deserves this and I'll be amazed if she doesn't win.
https://athleticsweekly.com/interviews/katarina-johnson-thompsons-quiet-revolution-1039971749
I don't watch TV really, and haven't see an advert for years. The only time I watch athletics is when the Olympics are on.
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I've never understood why people watch adverts on TV.
I know that everything I watch (apart from some sport) is recorded or on some kind of catchup, but why not change channels when adverts come on or do something else for a few minutes ?
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My dad used to do that and used to watch two different things at the same time if the adverts were not synced as he wasn't fussed on missing minutes either way. Used to infuriate the rest of us though.
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I zone out during ads without realising. My wife will say something to me about an ad while it's on and without fail I'll be in a Homer Simpson Land of Chocolate dream world. It's a blessing of a talent to have.
People not knowing who Katarina Johnson-Thompson is shows how far athletics has fallen out of the spotlight. She's the successor to Jessica Ennis, has two worlds and two Commonwealth golds, including in Birmingham.
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I don't watch ads but I can't be arsed to turn over either, especially if I'm watching sport. Cricket is the big one that catches me out. Everytime there's a test series I end up learning a whole new set of adverts by osmosis as I'm messing on my phone waiting for the game to come back.
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Surely Villa must win team of the year.
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Surely Villa must win team of the year.
Next year after we've won the treble.
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Surely Villa must win team of the year.
Next year after we've won the treble.
England will probably win it for getting to the semi-finals of the Euros.
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Are there any shortlists? Haven't seen anything.
England ladies football poss the favourite.
My recollection is "team" is a very loose term.
Didn't Torvil and Dean once win it because there are two of them?
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Surely Villa must win team of the year.
Next year after we've won the treble.
England will probably win it for getting to the semi-finals of the Euros.
😂
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Thinking about it it’s bound to be the Ryder cup team.
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England goalkeeper Mary Earps has been voted BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2023.
Earps, 30, was the Lionesses' standout player as they reached a first World Cup final in the summer and was rewarded with the Golden Glove for the best goalkeeper at the tournament.
She is the second women's footballer in succession to win the BBC award.
England cricketer Stuart Broad was second, with world heptathlon champion Katarina Johnson-Thompson third.
Jockey Frankie Dettori, wheelchair tennis player Alfie Hewett and golfer Rory McIlroy were also shortlisted for the award by a panel of experts, with the winner decided by a public vote.
Who else was honoured at Sports Personality 2023?
Helen Rollason Award: Fatima Whitbread
Coach of the Year: Pep Guardiola
Team of the Year: Manchester City
Young Sports Personality of the Year: Mia Brookes
Lifetime Achievement: Sir Kenny Dalglish
Unsung Hero: Des Smith
World Sport Star: Erling Haaland
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Hope nobody mentioned the 115 alleged financial offences that funded Pep's 'greatness'.
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SPOTY is just shit and needs to be binned along with the Question of Sport.
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And I see that Mary Earps was so excited about being there that she forgot to get dressed.
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SPOTY is just shit and needs to be binned along with the Question of Sport.
Correct, Aftab. If they actually picked personalities, it would be between Ronnie O'Sullivan and Tyson Fury every year.
'Personality' doesn't mean somebody that most people feel roughly 5/10 about, without actually knowing who they are.
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The problem with the "Personality" part of the award is that it was coined in the 1950s when few if anyone actually heard a sportsman (or the occasional woman) speak and there was no celebrity culture as such. Consequently, the award was - and therefore should always be - about the sporting achievement.
What has happened in more recent times is that actual achievements have become secondary to the profile on mainstream and social media of both the individual and their chosen sport. In that context, Earps winning is not a surprise.
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I've always thought that SPOTY is principally aimed at people who generally don't take much interest in 'sports'.
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Why was it on a Tuesday? It's meant to be on the Sunday between proper programmes coming to the end of their latest series and Christmas specials starting. The whole reason to watch it is default.
I hate the modern world with its multi-channel, day-changing wokery.
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Why was it on a Tuesday? It's meant to be on the Sunday between proper programmes coming to the end of their latest series and Christmas specials starting. The whole reason to watch it is default.
I hate the modern world with its multi-channel, day-changing wokery.
Agreed. Growing up it always seemed to signal the start of the Christmas season. That and Mom bringing the Quality Street out.
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A 2 hour programme on Kenny Dalglish would have been far more interesting. I saw the intro with Pete Tong twiddling some knobs alongside a disinterested orchestra and decided it wasn't for me.
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SPOTY is just shit and needs to be binned along with the Question of Sport.
Correct, Aftab. If they actually picked personalities, it would be between Ronnie O'Sullivan and Tyson Fury every year.
'Personality' doesn't mean somebody that most people feel roughly 5/10 about, without actually knowing who they are.
Who actually picked the shortlist though? It was pretty slim pickings in terms of achievements this year, but Harry Kane became England's record goalscorer, Josh Kerr won World Championship gold in 1500m, Ronnie O'Sullivan has broken more records, Leon Edwards has defended his UFC title on a couple of occasions and none of them even got nominated.
Good luck to Mary Earps, but I can't really see what she has achieved in comparison to those above. Also, I think a lot of sports fans, let alone the general public, would struggle to pick her out in a line up which brings in to question the 'personality' element.
Stuart Broad had a good series in a drawn Ashes. The series only really turned when Chris Woakes and Mark Wood came into the side though and if he was nominated because he retired then that's for sentimental reasons.
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Apparently, these did:
Who was on the judging panel?
The industry panel for this year's BBC Sports Personality of the Year included former England footballer Ellen White, ex-hurdler Colin Jackson, Paralympic swimmer Ellie Simmonds and ex-Scotland rugby international Chris Paterson.
Sports journalists Charlotte Harpur (The Athletic), David Coverdale (Daily Mail) and Rob Maul (The Sun), were also on the 2023 panel, in addition to UK Sport chair Kath Grainger and broadcaster Holly Hamilton.
Representing the BBC were director of sport Barbara Slater, head of TV sport Philip Bernie and Sports Personality of the Year executive producer Gabby Cook.
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And I see that Mary Earps was so excited about being there that she forgot to get dressed.
Earps winning makes me long for the good old days of SPOTY, when it was on a Sunday night and sporting legends like Emma Raducanu won it. I'd have given the award to this young lady instead. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67770604