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Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: nigel on October 29, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Title: Ice hockey death
Post by: nigel on October 29, 2023, 09:11:53 AM
Absolutely horrible news.
Player dies after neck cut from skate

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/ice-hockey-player-johnson-dies-after-neck-cut/ar-AA1j22Om
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: Axl Rose on October 29, 2023, 09:50:17 AM
That is absolutely horrific.

What to say.

It's very strange as I was watching the Bruins Red Wings game this morning, and I remembered my fear of being sliced by a ice skate blade on an ice rink.

Fucking hell, RIP to the poor man
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: tomd2103 on October 29, 2023, 03:01:42 PM
Read about it and it sounded like an absolutely horrendous incident.  Thoughts obviously go to his family and friends.  Must have been terrible to have been there and witnessed it.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on October 30, 2023, 05:23:38 PM
Appears that Johnson was DOA at the hospital, but they held back the news until the next morning so that his family in the USA could be notified
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: nigel on October 31, 2023, 08:50:34 AM
Although it’s shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, but I guess there will be some development in neck protection now.
I’ve read that special forces use Kevlar balaclavas, so it would possibly be along those lines.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on October 31, 2023, 10:23:05 AM
Although it’s shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, but I guess there will be some development in neck protection now.
I’ve read that special forces use Kevlar balaclavas, so it would possibly be along those lines.

Some leagues/competition already insisted on neck protection.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: nigel on October 31, 2023, 03:15:11 PM
Although it’s shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, but I guess there will be some development in neck protection now.
I’ve read that special forces use Kevlar balaclavas, so it would possibly be along those lines.

Some leagues/competition already insisted on neck protection.

Didn’t realise that, thanks 👍
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: Somniloquism on October 31, 2023, 10:09:33 PM
People watching the video want the player who caught him charged with Manslaughter. People watching the video who watch lots of Ice Hockey state it is a normal but unfortunate movement for someone in that position trying to regain balance and any other time he would have hit the shoulder or helmet.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: nigel on November 01, 2023, 08:12:50 AM
People watching the video want the player who caught him charged with Manslaughter. People watching the video who watch lots of Ice Hockey state it is a normal but unfortunate movement for someone in that position trying to regain balance and any other time he would have hit the shoulder or helmet.

I did wonder that when I read the police were looking into it.
I haven’t seen video, I don’t really want to either, so I just assumed that they’d both fallen and it was an uncontrollable collision.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on November 01, 2023, 04:39:08 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/01/adam-johnsons-death-makes-ice-hockey-face-up-to-games-dangers
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: nigel on November 01, 2023, 08:42:34 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/01/adam-johnsons-death-makes-ice-hockey-face-up-to-games-dangers

Good read.
Interesting that with Wayne Gretzky wearing neck protection it didn’t become ‘fashionable’ to wear it.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on November 02, 2023, 10:43:37 AM
...and also that the player who was saved from death/serious injury by a neck protector, stopped wearing one when he returned to the NHL.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on November 03, 2023, 05:03:54 PM
Elite League (the league Johnson played in)will not make neck guards compulsory

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/03/coroner-offers-condolences-to-family-of-ice-hockey-player-adam-johnson
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 14, 2023, 04:40:09 PM
Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in connection with the death of Adam Johnson.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: PeterWithe on November 14, 2023, 04:48:29 PM
I saw the clip, it was on an American hockey chat show, all the guests on it seemed to be of the opinion that he'd set out to hurt him. To the layman, even if he raised his foot to keep balance, raising it to neck height seems an unnatural action.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2023, 11:41:33 PM
I saw the clip on Twitter, it's horrendous. Charging him with manslaughter seems entirely the right decision, imagine the Eric Cantona kung fu kick, but with sharpened blades on his feet.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: nigel on November 15, 2023, 08:14:11 AM
I saw the clip on Twitter, it's horrendous. Charging him with manslaughter seems entirely the right decision, imagine the Eric Cantona kung fu kick, but with sharpened blades on his feet.

That sounds horrendous.
Totally different to how I imagined it happening.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2023, 10:59:20 AM
It certainly didn’t look remotely accidental.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 15, 2023, 11:07:58 AM
When I first heard about it I assumed the fella was down on the ice and a skate caught him and that it was just one of those tragic things that can happen. Then I saw the video and he was standing up and while I doubt the outcome was intended it certainly wasn't just 'one of those things'.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: PeterWithe on November 15, 2023, 11:17:47 AM
The mitigating factor is that milliseconds before it happened, the accused player was barged and could claim he raised his leg to recover his balance, but as I said, to raise his foot that high seemed unnatural and malicious.
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on November 15, 2023, 12:26:41 PM
I'm a bit puzzled here.

A manslaughter arrest and yet the other player involved in the incident played last night an received a standing ovation.

Am I missing something ?
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: PeterWithe on November 15, 2023, 12:29:44 PM
Wasn't the ovation at the weekend?

EDIT. From the papers, Petgrave given standing ovation on 12.11.23. Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter 14.11.23
                       
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: UK Redsox on November 15, 2023, 12:41:47 PM
Wasn't the ovation at the weekend?

EDIT. From the papers, Petgrave given standing ovation on 12.11.23. Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter 14.11.23
                       

Thanks. Duff info in an online article I read
Title: Re: Ice hockey death
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 15, 2023, 01:03:32 PM
The mitigating factor is that milliseconds before it happened, the accused player was barged and could claim he raised his leg to recover his balance, but as I said, to raise his foot that high seemed unnatural and malicious.

I don't know enough about the sport to give a clear opinion of it to be honest. I've (very unfortunately) seen the video and whilst it does look bad, its difficult to know what intent was there
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