Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2023, 06:26:23 PM
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Sliding doors moment at Fulham. One of many dreadful performances under him. Players clearly stopped trying. I started his out thread after spurs at home last year. The Bournemouth loss was as bad as anything I’ve seen in recent years. So I’m voting yes.
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In before the lock.
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It didn’t happen so we’ll never know. Our current alternate reality is much better to think about.
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I only started this as I know someone who is still blaming the owners for not giving him enough money or time. This isn’t me by the way!
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Daft question as they'd never have allowed it to happen. Like they er, didn't.
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Probably not because the teams who went down were very bad indeed, but it would have been a close call.
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Daft question as they'd never have allowed it to happen. Like they er, didn't.
I like daft questions. You know me well enough by now.
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I might as well join in then.
Fuck knows! Steven Gerrard! What a wanker! What a wanker!
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Far, far better managers than him have been in trouble this season. He should've been sacked the second he signed his contract.
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Would we have won the title under Guardiola?
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No. We would have won the league.
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Would we have won the European Cup if Withe had shinned it wide?
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I’d like to thank Gerrard for being so utter shit that the owner himself binned him right after the Fulham game and took it upon himself to get Emery. For that I will be eternally grateful. As I am to the cabbage and Whelan’s penalty miss that finally did in Steve Bruce
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As disappointing as the end of last season was, I was prepared to let Gerrard have a crack over a whole season and I think that was the case for most of us on here. That start to the season really shocked me. I couldn't believe we were back to another bloody relegation battle. Personally I'd have sacked him after West Ham. It was only four games in but it was already looking bad and I never liked the prick anyway. I can understand why more time was given but those following couple of months were almost unrelentingly awful. Even the mini unbeaten run we went on was dire. I don't think I've ever been as nonplussed after a win than I was after that awful Friday night Southampton game. Fair play to the owners for acting when they did. It wasn't too late and they got the most important bit, the next appointment, absolutely spot on.
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I thought he'd spend a couple of seasons doing just enough to avoid the sack while sucking all the positivity out of the club. I got that one wrong.
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I thought he'd spend a couple of seasons doing just enough to avoid the sack while sucking all the positivity out of the club. I got that one wrong.
Yes, we should be thankful he was so evidently out of his depth
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I think it would've been really close. We would've been bottom 5 for sure. Thank goodness we didn't have to find out and got a truly great manager in to rescue the season. This thread reminds me how much of an improvement we've seen and with the exact same group (+Moreno). Amazing.
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Daft question as they'd never have allowed it to happen. Like they er, didn't.
Do you think if I'd married Eva Longoria in 2007 we'd still be together or would it have ended in divorce as well?
*Probably doesn't warrant its own thread either.
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Daft question as they'd never have allowed it to happen. Like they er, didn't.
Do you think if I'd married Eva Longoria in 2007 we'd still be together or would it have ended in divorce as well?
*Probably doesn't warrant its own thread either.
100% you would have ditched her. She snores, and never takes the bins out
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What Risso said.
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Daft question as they'd never have allowed it to happen. Like they er, didn't.
Do you think if I'd married Eva Longoria in 2007 we'd still be together or would it have ended in divorce as well?
*Probably doesn't warrant its own thread either.
100% you would have ditched her. She snores, and never takes the bins out
Haha, more true than you realise. :(
I'm oft reminded of Captain Renault's admonishment of Rick in Casablanca when it comes to this type of thing.
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Gerrard will be one of the many whose last job will be managing the Villa. A small number have gone elsewhere but failed in a short term and many have slowly disappeared from view.
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Yes we would have.
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After the defeat in our first game v Bournemouth he should have been dumped. We looked a disorganised rabble. So much for “see what he’s like when he’s had a summer with them”
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As disappointing as the end of last season was, I was prepared to let Gerrard have a crack over a whole season and I think that was the case for most of us on here. That start to the season really shocked me. I couldn't believe we were back to another bloody relegation battle. Personally I'd have sacked him after West Ham. It was only four games in but it was already looking bad and I never liked the prick anyway. I can understand why more time was given but those following couple of months were almost unrelentingly awful. Even the mini unbeaten run we went on was dire. I don't think I've ever been as nonplussed after a win than I was after that awful Friday night Southampton game. Fair play to the owners for acting when they did. It wasn't too late and they got the most important bit, the next appointment, absolutely spot on.
After the opening game of the season, I wanted him gone. That was the most disappointing performance I have ever seen. I watched it at my Nan's 90th, so didn't see it all but I was expecting a new start, but saw a dead end.
I said to my brother that evening, that this only ends one way and the sooner the better. The small amount of belief I had was lost that day.
So I phone Eva and said I'd had enough
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Yes. He hadn't got a clue. There was no plan A or B.
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If we had beat Fulham in 2018, we wouldn’t have lost to Fulham in 2022 and we wouldn’t be where we are now.
As for Gerrard, I thought he’d be unsackable. My Gerrard out moment was West Ham at home. I don’t think we’d have gone down but we’d have been below Chelsea for sure.
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It's Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevie G's 43rd birthday today.
On behalf of Villans across the world I haven't sent him a card.
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Yes. He was utter shite and the club was getting toxic with him here.
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Although you'd still have had some blaming the players or saying it's only been 38 games as we finished bottom.
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Yes he was worse than Lamberk.
The way he dropped Mings was disgraceful days were numbered from that day on
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There or thereabouts, we'd be relying on other teams being shitter.
Like others, I'll be surprised if he even bothers attempting to be a manager again, he'll pop up on BT Sport every now and again.
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There were those saying that two managers had failed to get these players any higher than lower mid table. So a lot of blame was aimed their way for a while.
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Even now, after all that's gone on since the last chancer left and a real manager finally took over, even now, some insist on looking back. Why? "Fuck Gerrard & UTV!" is surely all that needs to be said.
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Eventually, yes. We've seen there are managers for certain jobs. Bruce did a job halting the slide and reconnecting the team with the fans. Smith did the same on steroids. Emery is not just different planet, he orbits a different sun. Gerrard proved to be way, way, way below Premier League standard, with the only annoying thing being we were the ones to take the punt. Increasingly regularly, he'd have been taken to the cleaners by the better managers in this league.
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We were terrible, disorganised, not defending properly, not scoring goals. All a recipe for a relegation scrap. One that I think we may have lost.
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Even now, after all that's gone on since the last chancer left and a real manager finally took over, even now, some insist on looking back. Why? "Fuck Gerrard & UTV!" is surely all that needs to be said.
I prefer talking about him now he's gone and it's history than when he was here.
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We would potentially have done a Leicester. But if he had not been sacked after Fulham, he would have gone before season end. Maybe we would have had Potter, or Deano, in April.
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If we had total absentee landlords and they'd left the big call to Purslow - I think we'd have been in the conversation going into March and April.
But seeing Everton staying up with eight wins and 36 points I still reckon we'd have stopped up despite SG.
To be even talking that way after the starting base and investment Carpethead had shows how much of a booby he is at this level.
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I could easily have seen us having to beat Brighton to stay up on the last day under that twat.
The atmosphere would have been completely different. And the team. And the result.
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Like many of these former pros, Gerrard isn't a coach but a figurehead. He has no technical ability, merely a reputation born exclusively of his achievements as a player.
Fortunately, we now have one of the best coaches in the world.
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I reckon so. We should remember Unai Emery saved us from relegation.
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He was absolutely fucking toxic.
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He was never up to the job - he was a great midfielder - who managed to find an assistant who may, or may not, be a component Championship manager.
Its not his fault he was so shit - he should never have been given one of the hardest jobs in world football.
Someone else will take a punt on him, and they will regret it too. But I hold him no ill will, its us that made the mistake in buying into him.
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Probably not because the teams who went down were very bad indeed, but it would have been a close call.
This could have been the case but I think he would have started more fight with the players and destroyed morale wish would have sent us down.
So glad he's gone.
Really glad he isn't holding us back any more.
Good riddance!
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He was never up to the job - he was a great midfielder - who managed to find an assistant who may, or may not, be a component Championship manager.
Its not his fault he was so shit - he should never have been given one of the hardest jobs in world football.
Someone else will take a punt on him, and they will regret it too. But I hold him no ill will, its us that made the mistake in buying into him.
I disagree, a lot of it was specifically his fault.
Picking arguments, alienating and attempting to mind-game some of our own players, that's directly his fault.
The guy is an arrogant fucking chancer, and he got found out.
The only person who comes out of that whole story worse is the guy who made such a ridiculous appointment in the first place, Purslow.
It reminds me of Tom Fox and his "shortlist of one" where the one name was Tim Sherwood.
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No. We would have been 14 or lower though I reckon
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We would have sold Mings in January because he was boss eyed
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Disaster other than Kamara
probably 17th
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Just enough to stay up I think. But a very nervy last few games, and not much to be happy about.
Wasn't overly for or against him when he came. I hoped he would be good.
There were some good signs that first season. Even in some defeats ( Man City in particular) I though we were really good.
And then the New Year cane and it wall went a bit shit.
Id have sacked him at the end of that season after the poor ru we had. And then maybe after West Ham this season
I can see him joining the list of " did very little managerial after the Villa job"
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He was never up to the job - he was a great midfielder - who managed to find an assistant who may, or may not, be a component Championship manager.
Its not his fault he was so shit - he should never have been given one of the hardest jobs in world football.
Someone else will take a punt on him, and they will regret it too. But I hold him no ill will, its us that made the mistake in buying into him.
I disagree, a lot of it was specifically his fault.
Picking arguments, alienating and attempting to mind-game some of our own players, that's directly his fault.
The guy is an arrogant fucking chancer, and he got found out.
The only person who comes out of that whole story worse is the guy who made such a ridiculous appointment in the first place, Purslow.
It reminds me of Tom Fox and his "shortlist of one" where the one name was Tim Sherwood.
I agree he was awful, and should never have been allowed near our great club.
I cant disagree with anything you say - but I don't think anything he did came as a surprise. We bought whatever it was he was selling. Its our fault for falling for it.
And by us, I mean the club - not the fans
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There’s a silver lining he’s 4-1 for the Leeds job.
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Was at down to Fulham to see his last game sat about three rows back from the front , so really close to the players
You could tell the players we’re not buying into his philosophy I got the feeling that he was disliked by a few of them, and let’s face it you’re not gonna be at your best playing for someone you don’t like
I think the Brentford game proves that
As others have said, he bought a lot of that on himself
If he does return to management, he will have to learn from his mistakes problem with people like Gerrard is they can’t accept they make mistakes
I hate all things Liverpool FC, but was willing to give him a go When he came. I thought he showed promise at first, and I did like a lot of the things he said
But It just didn’t translate onto the pitch and performances were mostly dire, whatever he was trying to do was not computing and in the end it just became a big mess
Lampard and Gerard are the same bracket, great players, but they’ve got a lot to learn and I’m not sure they’re capable of going back to square one and rebuilding because it will take honesty and admitting your weaknesses and I can’t see them doing that
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Yes.
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I reckon it would have gone to the final games and we would have lost to Brighton, but stayed up by 1 point thanks to Leeds and Leicester losing. Only 95 stayed behind for the lap of appreciation.
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We'd have been dead and buried before Southampton.
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I wouldn't bank on Leicester losing.
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Nailed on. He got sacked after an easy start fixture wise. We wouldn’t have got a single point from the last few games we’ve just performed so well in,
I thought we were shite in pre-season, it was confirmed at Bournemouth and he should have gone after giving West Ham their first goal, clean sheet and points of the season.
Absolutely clueless.
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He was a vanity appointment by starry-eyed Purslow, but starting the season with three players on the bench who each could have ended up winning Player’s player of the season and supporter’s player of the season was madness. When have we been weaker for having those three on the bench?
I’m surprised he lasted as long as he did and he would have lead us to derby games against the unwashed from SHA and the bitters from Sandwell.
File him under O’Leary, D for Villa managers who alienated players and fans.
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Just because Lampard was mentioned, his win percentage at Chelsea is 9 (nine) percent.
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Yeah I think we would have done. That West Ham game was up there with the worst I've seen us play. And Fulham? Imagine if he'd stayed on after that? Confidence rock bottom, division in the camp, the media saying the players aren't playing for Gerrard - half of our fans believing it and turning on the players, the other half undecided. Probably coming out with some baseless soundbite akin to 'rolling up our sleeves', or something equally useless.
I didn't want him at Villa, being too unimaginative to see what he could offer us, especially after Smith had built a decent team and left a decent foundation. I was shocked when he got the job - it made me question the leadership at Villa, especially after there had been rumours the owners wanted Henry previously. Maybe that was Purslow too.
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I think he would have kept us up just about, but how he would have handled the toxic atmosphere at V P is another matter.
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Like many of these former pros, Gerrard isn't a coach but a figurehead. He has no technical ability, merely a reputation born exclusively of his achievements as a player.
Fortunately, we now have one of the best coaches in the world.
I think this is where John Terry has played it smart, knowing his limitations. They're fine to have as part of the backroom - 'setting standards', offering a bit of motivation and tips here and there. To be a manager/head coach takes a much larger skill set than that.
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Lampard and Gerard are the same bracket, great players, but they’ve got a lot to learn and I’m not sure they’re capable of going back to square one and rebuilding because it will take honesty and admitting your weaknesses and I can’t see them doing that
I could see Lampard doing it but not Gerrard. Lampard seems pretty decent tbh. Gerrard is full of himself and needs humbling.
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The mods in here would have been a lot fucking busier had he stayed any longer, that's for sure.
As for going down, it's the impossible hypothetical question. Yes if we'd stayed as bad as we were, no because I think the players would have done something about it. And if he'd stayed he'd have been sacked a few days /weeks later in any event for being so fucking shit.
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Was at down to Fulham to see his last game sat about three rows back from the front , so really close to the players
You could tell the players we’re not buying into his philosophy I got the feeling that he was disliked by a few of them, and let’s face it you’re not gonna be at your best playing for someone you don’t like
I think the Brentford game proves that
As others have said, he bought a lot of that on himself
If he does return to management, he will have to learn from his mistakes problem with people like Gerrard is they can’t accept they make mistakes
I hate all things Liverpool FC, but was willing to give him a go When he came. I thought he showed promise at first, and I did like a lot of the things he said
But It just didn’t translate onto the pitch and performances were mostly dire, whatever he was trying to do was not computing and in the end it just became a big mess
Lampard and Gerard are the same bracket, great players, but they’ve got a lot to learn and I’m not sure they’re capable of going back to square one and rebuilding because it will take honesty and admitting your weaknesses and I can’t see them doing that
Dozens of mediocre or shite performances for England between them and their media mates would pad their scores with a 7 or 8/10. No-one has ever told them they weren't That Good
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Nailed on. He got sacked after an easy start fixture wise. We wouldn’t have got a single point from the last few games we’ve just performed so well in,
I thought we were shite in pre-season, it was confirmed at Bournemouth and he should have gone after giving West Ham their first goal, clean sheet and points of the season.
Absolutely clueless.
This exactly where I am.
Realtive to resources available Gerrard was every bit as bad as Billy McNeill but with better backing.
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There's a film or TV program which contains this quote, been racking my brains to think what it is:
Anyone can have one of those days... even one of this weeks...and occasionally you'll just have a bad run that stretches into one of those months...
... it never gets to be one of those years...
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The failures of Gerrard and Lampard highlight the fact that the old cliché about great players being poor managers has never been truer. Of all the decent prem managers currently, only Guardiola was a top notch footballer, I think.
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Just because Lampard was mentioned, his win percentage at Chelsea is 9 (nine) percent.
This season or across both spells?
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Just because Lampard was mentioned, his win percentage at Chelsea is 9 (nine) percent.
This season or across both spells?
This season. Lower than Remi Garde for us.
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The management jobs that Lampard and Gerard *should* be doing are not going to pay enough for them to bother. A proper stint in the lower leagues is what’s required but why bother when you’re already minted. Their egos won’t allow it.
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Nailed on. He got sacked after an easy start fixture wise. We wouldn’t have got a single point from the last few games we’ve just performed so well in,
I thought we were shite in pre-season, it was confirmed at Bournemouth and he should have gone after giving West Ham their first goal, clean sheet and points of the season.
Absolutely clueless.
West Ham was the day that I turned. It's the earliest I've every given up on a manager. I like to consider myself one of the more patient ones but I'd had enough already
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I must say I kind of turned after Bournemouth. Can't say I totally gave up, but it was so astonishingly poor that I just could not honestly see how it could get better, what there was to build on.
And I'd managed to convince myself to be hopeful before that too! Just goes to show, sometimes your first impression is the right one.
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I must say I kind of turned after Bournemouth. Can't say I totally gave up, but it was so astonishingly poor that I just could not honestly see how it could get better, what there was to build on.
Same, I watched it at my mates and told him Gerrard would be gone by Christmas.
There really was no straw to grasp watching that.
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Gerrard put me off football.
I don't think I ever watched a full game when he was in charge.
I've hated him throughout his whole career, and hate him now. Twat.
I hate him more than I hate Grealish
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No.
Would've been a similar finish to last season though and us all wondering what the point is.
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I only started this as I know someone who is still blaming the owners for not giving him enough money or time. This isn’t me by the way!
Generally curious what the mindset of these people are, was he a massive fanboy of Gerrard as a player or something?!!!!!
Emery has spent pretty much 15m so far (given Duran is more of a club project signing who was probabl coming in anyway) and yet in six months he's vastly improved most of our senior players.
Such a lazy and stupid argument to say only chance Gerrard had here was needing 100s of millions to spend on Liverpool reserves. He needs to go away and learn actually how to coach rather than just waiting for Beale to get sacked by Rangers.
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I must say I kind of turned after Bournemouth. Can't say I totally gave up, but it was so astonishingly poor that I just could not honestly see how it could get better, what there was to build on.
And I'd managed to convince myself to be hopeful before that too! Just goes to show, sometimes your first impression is the right one.
We should've sacked him after West Ham at home. They'd lost their first three without scoring and came to VP for a 0-0 and still beat us.
I remember the MOTD punditry after the game and whoever was on it was agog that Ings kept on getting the ball wide left.
Only issue is Emery probably wouldn't have come in early September but we really did waste six weeks especially given we had the likes of Leeds and Forest in that run.
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Him being so poor with what he had at his disposal helped us greatly get the manager we've been after long before H&V first went to print. For that we all should be grateful to SG. I'm also grateful in his part for landing Kamara if he had a part in it that is but let's assume he did.
john e alluded to Gerrard's Philosophy in an earlier post. What was his Philosophy that players clearly didn't buy into? The only thing I can think of is "Run fast like I did, pass the ball like I did, read the game like I did, dive like I did and shout Ref like I did." Not proper coaching but parrot coaching. I'm being flippant to make a point but there didn't appear to be any coaching as such. We played to a rigid formation which might have been okay up in Scotland but not the best league in the world where 'proper coaches' will know how to counteract a basic style. We would have been right in the smelly stuff if we continued in that vein so yes, we would have gone down if he'd stayed on.
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I think Beale made the calls, and was found out. Gerrard had no clue and was just the face. Then he brought in Critchley who couldn't fix what was already broken.
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I don't really get the concept of paying someone millions to be a figurehead masquerading as a leader. Obviously that's the structure at the BBC, but why would Villa feel a need to do that? Just spend the money on someone who can coach. I can only assume the club thought Gerrard was a competent coach as the alternative displays dangerous levels of stupidity.
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I think the only positive thing Gerrard achieved (look away Footy) was to toughen up the team. Before we were a bit of a soft touch, he had us running around kicking the opposition. Didn't get us very far but even now the lads like a good 'challenge'.
That is it. Everything else was at best eye bleeding boring, at worst had me questioning for the first time ever, do I need this weekly misery in my life.
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I don't really get the concept of paying someone millions to be a figurehead masquerading as a leader. Obviously that's the structure at the BBC, but why would Villa feel a need to do that? Just spend the money on someone who can coach. I can only assume the club thought Gerrard was a competent coach as the alternative displays dangerous levels of stupidity.
I agree Simon, the whole thing was a farce. Now we have a figurehead who can coach and knows how to get others to help him.
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The Bournemouth game set off huge alarms but I didn't see it, didn't need to, I know what it would've looked like. It was Palace away for me, we were miles off them all over the pitch, and they're the definition of 'nothing special'.
I remember sat in traffic coming away, hearing about the deal for Sarr and just thinking so what? It's not going to fix our problems.
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The Bournemouth game set off huge alarms but I didn't see it, didn't need to, I know what it would've looked like. It was Palace away for me, we were miles off them all over the pitch, and they're the definition of 'nothing special'.
I remember sat in traffic coming away, hearing about the deal for Sarr and just thinking so what? It's not going to fix our problems.
I'll never forget that Bournemouth game, it seemed to change everything.
We walked from the hotel in the sunshine, excited and thinking up a song, had a few beers in a bar near the ground watching the Fulham game. Went off to the stadium, all happy and thinking this was it, the start of the new era. He's had his pre-season, he's had his signings...
Then everything turned to shit. And afterwards, it felt like it had all been bullshit, built on sand yet again. It really did suck the belief out in record time and we never recovered.
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Would we have gone down under Gerrard? Don't know but thankfully we never got to find out.
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We could raise our game in some matches. Man Citeh at home where we happened to get the only Linesman to raise their offside flag when a goal could still be scored, and Chelsea at home where we should have been the ones walking away on a 4-1 scoreline and lost 2-0 due to a goal keepers game of the their season,(although the reverse happened at their place). But all the other games we were woeful, especially against teams who we would have been fighting against going into the second half of the season. Even the ones we won were just about. Everton for example, 80 mins of domination and then 10 mins where they peppered us and would probably had won if there were a few extra minutes.
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The Bournemouth game set off huge alarms but I didn't see it, didn't need to, I know what it would've looked like. It was Palace away for me, we were miles off them all over the pitch, and they're the definition of 'nothing special'.
I remember sat in traffic coming away, hearing about the deal for Sarr and just thinking so what? It's not going to fix our problems.
Same here, you can sometimes put the first game of the season down to "one of those games" but Palace we were absolutely shite. Then there were games like Leeds and Forest where there was just absolutely no idea at all how to break a team down. At Forest, the midfield literally sat in a line on the halfway line, passing it sideways for about an hour, interspersed with the odd Cash run into the box.
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The Bournemouth game set off huge alarms but I didn't see it, didn't need to, I know what it would've looked like. It was Palace away for me, we were miles off them all over the pitch, and they're the definition of 'nothing special'.
Same here, you can sometimes put the first game of the season down to "one of those games" but Palace we were absolutely shite. Then there were games like Leeds and Forest where there was just absolutely no idea at all how to break a team down. At Forest, the midfield literally sat in a line on the halfway line, passing it sideways for about an hour, interspersed with the odd Cash run into the box.
After the dismal performance at Selhurst I said to my Palace-supporting friends "I wish we had your manager". Viera, later to be sacked, completely outthought Gerrard.
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I know people say Beale was the brains but weren't we a bit shit in his last few months as well?
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I think he would have taken us down. We had such a soft set of fixtures at the start of the season that we squandered. If we needed the points to stay up at the end of season, I doubt we have have got anything out of our last 4 matches. So next season, instead of us playing the mights of FC Nobody in Europe, we would have playing hopefully for a mid table finish in the championship.
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I must say I kind of turned after Bournemouth. Can't say I totally gave up, but it was so astonishingly poor that I just could not honestly see how it could get better, what there was to build on.
And I'd managed to convince myself to be hopeful before that too! Just goes to show, sometimes your first impression is the right one.
Yep, same with me. Was willing to give him a full preseason, but it was clear after that game that the problem wasn't around Gerard not being able to communicate his ideas, or get the right people in place.
For what it's worth, I don't know if we'd have gone down or not if we stuck with Gerrard, but it was very possible and that alone should be a sackable offence for a Villa manager ever since the season Deano very nearly got us back in to the top half.
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Yes. The team were lost, he hadn’t got a clue how to change things and it was obvious the squad had lost all confidence in him.
He should go abroad and learn something new as he will never be a coach of any relevance in this country unless he changes. People say Emery is a workaholic but he just works hard and gets the rewards.
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That West Ham game in August nearly put me off football for life.
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I know people say Beale was the brains but weren't we a bit shit in his last few months as well?
Yes. Which is why the ‘it’s only one game’ merchants annoyed me a bit after Bournemouth.
He kept going on about breaks in the fixtures that he could use to get his ideas across, but every time there was any kind of break, we came back worse. God only knows how bad we’d have been after the World Cup.
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Gerrard was useless and no better under Beale. Like others have said that business with Mings was what really got me, no need for it. Mings has never been anything other than a model pro on and off the pitch. Then when the performances didn’t materialise he had to go.
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The big difference between Gerrard and Emery is that the latter has actually worked and coached the players, while the former just rubbished them. Had he been left in charge at the turn of the year, we would have been in huge trouble.
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I don't really get the concept of paying someone millions to be a figurehead masquerading as a leader. Obviously that's the structure at the BBC, but why would Villa feel a need to do that?
And it seems ITV as well.. l.
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I know people say Beale was the brains but weren't we a bit shit in his last few months as well?
Yes. Which is why the ‘it’s only one game’ merchants annoyed me a bit after Bournemouth.
He kept going on about breaks in the fixtures that he could use to get his ideas across, but every time there was any kind of break, we came back worse. God only knows how bad we’d have been after the World Cup.
Indeed.
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The simple answer to the question is no, since he would never have been in post until the end of the season had the downward spiral continued, which in all likelihood it would have done, meaning that had we been relegated it would have been with someone else in charge.
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Gerrard was useless and no better under Beale. Like others have said that business with Mings was what really got me, no need for it. Mings has never been anything other than a model pro on and off the pitch. Then when the performances didn’t materialise he had to go.
For stupidity it was up there with Gullit dropping Shearer
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I’d be amazed if Gerrard ever got a top flight job in this country again. Or Lampard for that matter, both utterly inept.
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I’d be amazed if Gerrard ever got a top flight job in this country again. Or Lampard for that matter, both utterly inept.
I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised by the actions of desperate teams in the bottom 5 come Christmas. I always think Bruce has had his last job and then he pops up again.
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The failures of Gerrard and Lampard highlight the fact that the old cliché about great players being poor managers has never been truer. Of all the decent prem managers currently, only Guardiola was a top notch footballer, I think.
Peoploe often say that but it's a bit of a myth to be honest. Plenty of top players go on to become top managers. Guardiola, Ancelotti, Cruyff, Simeone, Dalglish, Deschamps and so on.
As for the topic, I don't think we'd have gone down but we would have been in the mix down there. Would have been a hell of a slog of a season.
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Not to mention Zidane (I always forget about him as a manager too, but those pots tell their own story).
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Zidane’s a funny one. Perfect for Real, and I suspect France, but doubt he’d cut it at other top clubs around Europe.
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I reckon Gerrard will get another job, but lower down. There will be someone for whom his name is a coup, and will be attracted to his pulling power to bring players in.
He's had two jobs. One he won the league and was successful, the other he was given less than a year and technically, if we are honest, only left us one place below where he found us.
Outsiders will look at that and think he's worth a punt and hope the Rangers spell was the true Gerrard.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
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I didn't want Gerrard, was pretty critical of him while he was here and then pretty scathing when he left. Most of that was informed by the fact that I don't like him, but there was plenty of actual evidence to suggest he wasn't very good as well. Our run towards the end of last season was concerning. I might be wrong, but I think the only teams we beat for the last 6 months of his tenure were either relegated or managed by Frank Lampard... I guess that suggests that we might have survived if we'd have kept him *shudders*, but only because we may have had enough to beat the teams around us. I'm just delighted that we never had to find out.
I may have said this before, but I think his comment about "needing a little bit of magic from the players" is the perfect comment to highlight why he is a terrible manager, for a number of reasons: For a start, magic doesn't exist. When we watch a magician, what we see as an audience is a carefully planned and rehearsed routine, that takes time and effort to perfect - I reckon Gerrard thinks that David Blaine was actually levitating. He's also passing the buck - the players need to do something, "I've done all I can do with them, so it's up to them now". That seemed to be his attitude throughout - perhaps because he struggled to understand why they couldn't be like he was as a player, when he used to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Ultimately, though, it's just lazy and poor management.
He is the exact opposite of Unai in every single aspect. Work ethic, humility, attitude, personality, motivation and ability. I love Unai for all the reasons I disliked Gerrard.
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I didn't want Gerrard, was pretty critical of him while he was here and then pretty scathing when he left. Most of that was informed by the fact that I don't like him, but there was plenty of actual evidence to suggest he wasn't very good as well. Our run towards the end of last season was concerning. I might be wrong, but I think the only teams we beat for the last 6 months of his tenure were either relegated or managed by Frank Lampard... I guess that suggests that we might have survived if we'd have kept him *shudders*, but only because we may have had enough to beat the teams around us. I'm just delighted that we never had to find out.
I may have said this before, but I think his comment about "needing a little bit of magic from the players" is the perfect comment to highlight why he is a terrible manager, for a number of reasons: For a start, magic doesn't exist. When we watch a magician, what we see as an audience is a carefully planned and rehearsed routine, that takes time and effort to perfect - I reckon Gerrard thinks that David Blaine was actually levitating. He's also passing the buck - the players need to do something, "I've done all I can do with them, so it's up to them now". That seemed to be his attitude throughout - perhaps because he struggled to understand why they couldn't be like he was as a player, when he used to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Ultimately, though, it's just lazy and poor management.
He is the exact opposite of Unai in every single aspect. Work ethic, humility, attitude, personality, motivation and ability. I love Unai for all the reasons I disliked Gerrard.
Final sentence, in particular, is just unbelievably bang on
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
Because their only challengers apart from Celtic pre Ange were a Barlinnie XI.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
Because their only challengers apart from Celtic pre Ange were a Barlinnie XI.
And yet his record there still convinced our owners he could do a job for us, it will convince other owners too I'm afraid.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
Because their only challengers apart from Celtic pre Ange were a Barlinnie XI.
The point is that it still lead us to him regardless as to how weak the competition is up in Scotland. Someone else will think the same.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
Because another club won't have one of his fans appointing him.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
Because another club won't have one of his fans appointing him.
Am I imagining this or has Purslow been a bit more low profile of late?
I was amazed he wasn't on the pitch at any point on Sunday. That's prime Purslow territory but nope, not there.
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You’re not imagining it. I just don’t know whether he’s been told to just focus more on the stadium expansion. I get the impression the Gerrard experiment has gotten him a final written warning.
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He won one trophy out of nine in scotland.
Enough to convince us to give him the reigns. Why do you think that's not enough for another club?
Because their only challengers apart from Celtic pre Ange were a Barlinnie XI.
And yet his record there still convinced our owners he could do a job for us, it will convince other owners too I'm afraid.
I really think Gerrard will struggle for his next gig. Player management clearly not his forte and he admitted coaching and tactics weren't either. After that what's left? He might get a mid table championship gig next and that would be ideal to see if he actually really wants to be a manager. See what he can deliver with a restricted budget and loads of other constraints. Thrive there and he can put the Villa job down to experience.
I didn't want him at Villa and wanted him gone around the time of that Palace game. But don't think he ever disrespected the club in his time with us, his profile got us in players we ordinarily would struggle to attract and likes of Ramsey were developing nicely for a while. The job was far too much for him at the time. Don't think he deserved the manner of his departure that night either, players downing tools all over the pitch and sacked outside the dressing room.
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Would we have been relegated under Gerrard for the whole season?
Yes. He was shit at his job.
Next question?
I may have said this before, but I think his comment about "needing a little bit of magic from the players" is the perfect comment to highlight why he is a terrible manager, for a number of reasons: For a start, magic doesn't exist. When we watch a magician, what we see as an audience is a carefully planned and rehearsed routine, that takes time and effort to perfect - I reckon Gerrard thinks that David Blaine was actually levitating. He's also passing the buck - the players need to do something, "I've done all I can do with them, so it's up to them now". That seemed to be his attitude throughout - perhaps because he struggled to understand why they couldn't be like he was as a player, when he used to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Ultimately, though, it's just lazy and poor management.
He is the exact opposite of Unai in every single aspect. Work ethic, humility, attitude, personality, motivation and ability. I love Unai for all the reasons I disliked Gerrard.
All of this. 👍
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Can't argue with Pablo nor Boozey, spot on summation(s)
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Would we have been relegated under Gerrard for the whole season?
Yes. He was shit at his job.
Next question?
I may have said this before, but I think his comment about "needing a little bit of magic from the players" is the perfect comment to highlight why he is a terrible manager, for a number of reasons: For a start, magic doesn't exist. When we watch a magician, what we see as an audience is a carefully planned and rehearsed routine, that takes time and effort to perfect - I reckon Gerrard thinks that David Blaine was actually levitating. He's also passing the buck - the players need to do something, "I've done all I can do with them, so it's up to them now". That seemed to be his attitude throughout - perhaps because he struggled to understand why they couldn't be like he was as a player, when he used to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Ultimately, though, it's just lazy and poor management.
He is the exact opposite of Unai in every single aspect. Work ethic, humility, attitude, personality, motivation and ability. I love Unai for all the reasons I disliked Gerrard.
All of this. 👍
looking at the Emery match cam against Brighton,totally different managers
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I would imagine that Gerrard will have plenty of offers from lower level teams looking to leverage his 'name'. However it will be a while before his massive ego will allow him to take any of those jobs.
...and yes, there is a reasonable chance we would have been relegated under the Scouse chancer. He is clueless - nothing more than a figurehead - and relies totally on his backroom staff.
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Can someone enlighten me here - does anyone know how often and for how long he used to be at the training ground each day?
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Honestly, the thought of paying someone millions of pounds a year to be a 'figurehead' based on nothing but their reputation for doing another task well absolutely boils my piss. Wasn't it something like £4m that the season ticket prices increases will bring in? And they're comfortable pissing all that out on a twat like Gerrard.
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His ego won't allow him to drop down to the level of his actual ability.
I'll be surprised if he gets a job anytime soon, other than talking bollocks on BT Sport.
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Imagine if he ends up at Leeds?
Please make that happen.
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Honestly, the thought of paying someone millions of pounds a year to be a 'figurehead' based on nothing but their reputation for doing another task well absolutely boils my piss. Wasn't it something like £4m that the season ticket prices increases will bring in? And they're comfortable pissing all that out on a twat like Gerrard.
Purslow fucks up, sends the bill to the season ticket holders.
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Gerrard to Leeds would be sooooooo funny
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It’s not impossible to be a figurehead type manager and basically select good coaches to delegate the specifics to. I think Ancellotti pretty much does that, but crucially if that’s your role then relationship management is absolutely critical. That’s what Ancellotti is excellent at, but Gerrard seemed really poor at that too.
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It’s not impossible to be a figurehead type manager and basically select good coaches to delegate the specifics to. I think Ancellotti pretty much does that, but crucially if that’s your role then relationship management is absolutely critical. That’s what Ancellotti is excellent at, but Gerrard seemed really poor at that too.
It did make me wonder what sort of captain he was.
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McGrath in his book pretty well said that Ron didn’t do much coaching just told them to go out and do something to make him happy or words to that effect.
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O'Neill was very old school aswell. Basically win on a Saturday and team would be given off until the following Thursday so no wonder we always used to flag in high intensity games around hour mark.
Many players in the past just used to be happy with the basics and be motivated but I think today's generation of players want to know what's going on tactically and have a thirst for information.
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O'Neill was very old school aswell. Basically win on a Saturday and team would be given off until the following Thursday so no wonder we always used to flag in high intensity games around hour mark.
Many players in the past just used to be happy with the basics and be motivated but I think today's generation of players want to know what's going on tactically and have a thirst for information.
If they don't, they're going to lose far more often than not.
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O'Neill was very old school aswell. Basically win on a Saturday and team would be given off until the following Thursday so no wonder we always used to flag in high intensity games around hour mark.
Many players in the past just used to be happy with the basics and be motivated but I think today's generation of players want to know what's going on tactically and have a thirst for information.
If they don't, they're going to lose far more often than not.
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He has gone now so fuck him and file under shit managers such as Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, DiMatteo.
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Would we have been relegated under Gerrard for the whole season?
Yes. He was shit at his job.
Next question?
I may have said this before, but I think his comment about "needing a little bit of magic from the players" is the perfect comment to highlight why he is a terrible manager, for a number of reasons: For a start, magic doesn't exist. When we watch a magician, what we see as an audience is a carefully planned and rehearsed routine, that takes time and effort to perfect - I reckon Gerrard thinks that David Blaine was actually levitating. He's also passing the buck - the players need to do something, "I've done all I can do with them, so it's up to them now". That seemed to be his attitude throughout - perhaps because he struggled to understand why they couldn't be like he was as a player, when he used to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Ultimately, though, it's just lazy and poor management.
He is the exact opposite of Unai in every single aspect. Work ethic, humility, attitude, personality, motivation and ability. I love Unai for all the reasons I disliked Gerrard.
All of this. 👍
looking at the Emery match cam against Brighton,totally different managers
Imagine if there was a Gerrard cam?
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There was. It was called the Test Card.
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There was. It was called the Test Card.
There was. It was called the Test Card.
Ha!
Very good.
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I thought he'd spend a couple of seasons doing just enough to avoid the sack while sucking all the positivity out of the club. I got that one wrong.
That’s what I thought. Thankfully the owners pulled the plug.
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I don’t think we’d have gone down but that would have been dependent on the moral of the dressing room post Fulham. I was hopeful when he was appointed and I thought the best choice of names banded around back then. But clearly he had to go after Fulham. Another appointment full of hope that subsequently failed. We’ve had a few.
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Imagine if there was a Gerrard cam?
I think they’d have pretty quickly given up as he sat sulking, arms folded, in the dug out because nobody was producing any moments of magic.
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I generally support villa managers fairly blindly until they can be supported no more. I kept hoping Gerrard would come good. I realised we were screwed under him, when he made the ‘magic’ comments in that terrible 0-0 away to Leeds. That was followed by an equally terrible 1-1 away to Forest. Hindsight is a great thing but he was a truly terrible manager for us and utter twat to boot. O thought he still came across as a smug prat when doing punditry on an England game recently, so I’m not sure how much he will of actually learn’t from his stint at Villa. His man management in particular was dreadful. Looks like he’s being touted for both the Leeds and Leicester jobs, good luck to whoever gets him, they’ll need it.
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Gerrard now apparently being considered by Leeds and Leicester.
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Gerrard now apparently being considered by Leeds and Leicester.
Good
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Gerrard now apparently being considered by Leeds and Leicester.
The mind boggles.
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Please, please let it be Leeds.
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Leeds please - sign them up for a few years of the dross they're used to :)
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No doubt about it, which games could we see winning with him in charge ?
As an aside, cat weasel seems to be a part of Umri plans
Go for it Leeds, you know it is the right thing to do.
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I'd had enough after the Bournemouth game but there was a moment in the previous season that was telling. Losing at home to Watford in front of a disgruntled crowd, he vanished into the dugout and stayed there for a large proportion of the game. It looked like hiding to me and reminded me of another deadbeat we had, I think it was DOL, who did the same when we were being dismantled by Arsenal. They'd already put 4 past us but Wenger was still on the touchline, getting absolutely drenched.
It doesn't prove anything really, you could never accuse Gerrard of hiding as a player but then he had ability to rely on, something he lacks as a manager.
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Newcastle away was a classic. He sulked in the dugout and was almost saying ‘why are these twats nowhere near as good as I was?’
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He’s not a tactician, he had nothing to say to affect the game and he knew it. What Gerrard and Emery see when they’re watching football is a million miles apart.
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Newcastle away was a classic. He sulked in the dugout and was almost saying ‘why are these twats nowhere near as good as I was?’
I remember after the match aswell he slagged the team off and said there would be changes after the performance.
Was a grand total of one change for the Watford game which we again lost 1-0 and performance remained inept so that was the first red flag to me we weren't going to do anything under him.
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Newcastle away was a classic. He sulked in the dugout and was almost saying ‘why are these twats nowhere near as good as I was?’
I remember after the match aswell he slagged the team off and said there would be changes after the performance.
Was a grand total of one change for the Watford game which we again lost 1-0 and performance remained inept so that was the first red flag to me we weren't going to do anything under him.
That made me laugh, gave it the big'un about changes and then barely did anything different. Chancer.
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He was too busy trying to look folks in the eye.
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Lets not forget the promise of a full pre season under his belt to see his true managerial brilliance, we became worse
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Lets not forget the promise of a full pre season under his belt to see his true managerial brilliance, we became worse
To be fair, the pre-season was as good as it got under his reign!
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His tactical awareness and formations were not great, but I’m not convinced that was his biggest problem
Somehow somewhere he just lost the players, I mean the stuff with Mings was truly pathetic
They just ended up not liking him not believing in him, his man management was awful and that’s what did for him more than anything else I reckon
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Lets not forget the promise of a full pre season under his belt to see his true managerial brilliance, we became worse
To be fair, the pre-season was as good as it got under his reign!
I wasn’t impressed by the pre-season.
A good start.
A really good performance v Man U in the FA Cup.
The three game run v Southampton, Brighton and Leeds.
That’s it.
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I wasn't impressed, but I enjoyed it! Certainly more than I did once Bournemouth away kicked off.
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The two games against Man U in January 2022 showed me there was something there. Then we played some great stuff against Leeds x2 and Southampton.
I was badly wrong. We were absolute garbage for most of the rest of his tenure.
I also regret that because of him there were doubts emerging about some of the players. Thankfully Unai came and and has showed us that the players actually were capable of challenging (and getting) Europe.
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I was expecting a real show against Bournemouth. In way I suppose I got what I expected, but it was a horror show.
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I didn't think I would dislike a Villa manager as much as David O'Leary but Gerrard runs him very close.
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After his comments last summer regarding Mings, it put him in the O’Leary category for me.
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You can make certain comparisons between Gerrard and O'Leary. But in terms of disreputable and untrustworthy human character traits O'Leary still wins hands down ahead of anybody else.
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Lets not forget the promise of a full pre season under his belt to see his true managerial brilliance, we became worse
To be fair, the pre-season was as good as it got under his reign!
Entirely speculative...but I think something badly went wrong during that pre season tour off the pitch. We were an absolute rabble against Bournemouth that first day.
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It was pretty clear that whatever tactics he wanted the team to adopt, they must have been pretty sketchy, the sort of thing the average bloke propping up the bar might come up with. Something along the lines of 'Cashy and Digny get forward all the time, and Ginny and Dougy drop back to cover the full back positions. The rest of you just do your thing'.
That impression is only strengthened by Mings' comments, made after Emery joined, about the level of detail in the preparation for matches.
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When the ridiculous decisions went on the preseason tour of Australia, there were warning signs literally ! with Gerrard Down Under! I warned about the risk to the players' recovery at the time, and in the end, it cost Gerrard his Villa career. The preseason was completely off. He fooled a lot of people by getting results and going undefeated, but there were some clear signs in the performances and systems. And of course when Villa started season were under prepared .
In addition, he makes a fool of himself by his interviews yes Villa's finished in 14th place and it's unacceptable but the fact that it was Gerrard McAllister Beadle and Crichton, not the players, who let us down and took us there.
Emery demonstrated how to make a top half finish.
Gerrard was taking us one way down under again if he was sticking around.
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I didn't think I would dislike a Villa manager as much as David O'Leary but Gerrard runs him very close.
I didn't think I like anyone more than Smith but Emery is going to woo me and I feel guilty.
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When the ridiculous decisions went on the preseason tour of Australia, there were warning signs literally ! with Gerrard Down Under! I warned about the risk to the players' recovery at the time, and in the end, it cost Gerrard his Villa career. The preseason was completely off. He fooled a lot of people by getting results and going undefeated, but there were some clear signs in the performances and systems. And of course when Villa started season were under prepared .
In addition, he makes a fool of himself by his interviews yes Villa's finished in 14th place and it's unacceptable but the fact that it was Gerrard McAllister Beadle and Crichton, not the players, who let us down and took us there.
Emery demonstrated how to make a top half finish.
Gerrard was taking us one way down under again if he was sticking around.
Yeah, because the thousands that followed the Villa in Australia were gutted at the ridiculous decision to come to this side of the world, instead of us spending shit loads of money to go to England to see Villa. I don't think the trip to Australia had any bearing on the season, it was just that Gerrard was not a very good manager and an even worse judge of character (i.e. dropping big Ty). From there it was only going to go one way.
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Yes we would
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I didn't think I would dislike a Villa manager as much as David O'Leary but Gerrard runs him very close.
I didn't think I like anyone more than Smith but Emery is going to woo me and I feel guilty.
You just make sure he buys you dinner first, footy! ;)
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
Mills is talking crap as usual.
The Chumpionship is Gerrard's level at best where meticulous coaching is maybe not the overarching focus.
I heard Simon Jordan on Talkshite the other day and said if he was hiring Gerrard he'd ask him what did he do right at Rangers that didn't work out at Villa. And what has he learnt and what would he do differently.
I can imagine Gerrard not having the slightest idea how to answer the Villa related aspects of the question because whichever way you dress it it up, it will make him look like a prick out of his depth.
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
"He’s a good young manager with a point to prove. He’s got passion, drive, desire and he can attract players,"
That's standard and a given for any would be manager. What else can he bring to the table? Meticulous attention to detail, tactics against any given team or opponent, coaching, bringing a squad together, ability to change tactic during a game, not talking down your chances against supposedly superior opposition, coaching?
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
Mills is talking crap as usual.
The Chumpionship is Gerrard's level at best where meticulous coaching is maybe not the overarching focus.
I heard Simon Jordan on Talkshite the other day and said if he was hiring Gerrard he'd ask him what did he do right at Rangers that didn't work out at Villa. And what has he learnt and what would he do differently.
I can imagine Gerrard not having the slightest idea how to answer the Villa related aspects of the question because whichever way you dress it it up, it will make him look like a prick out of his depth.
Had Mick Beale, lost Mick Beale, would get Mick Beale.
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Its funny how his mates in the media are whoring him out now he has been linked to a couple of jobs that are also out of his depth...
Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
Translated to: "Danny Mills explains that his mate needs another job."
Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
"He’s a good young manager with a point to prove. He’s got passion, drive, desire and he can attract players,"
Giving the definition of a generic member of a recruitment team.
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I've had enough of this.
He's a ex Sevco wanker with an ego the size of a small country and hated seeing how popular someone like Tyrone Mings was so did something about it. That had nothing to do with football, nothing to do with management and everything to do with being a spiteful arsehole with skin as thin as crepe paper.
Fuck him.
And Mills.
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I've had enough of this.
He's a ex Sevco wanker with an ego the size of a small country and hated seeing how popular someone like Tyrone Mings was so did something about it. That had nothing to do with football, nothing to do with management and everything to do with being a spiteful arsehole with skin as thin as crepe paper.
Fuck him.
And Mills.
Thread over ! well played sir .
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
Pity Birmingham Live haven't got anything better to do than give boneheads like Mills airtime
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I've had enough of this.
He's a ex Sevco wanker with an ego the size of a small country and hated seeing how popular someone like Tyrone Mings was so did something about it. That had nothing to do with football, nothing to do with management and everything to do with being a spiteful arsehole with skin as thin as crepe paper.
Fuck him.
And Mills.
Thread over ! well played sir .
Yep, check mate (although i dont know what Sevco is)
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I've had enough of this.
He's a ex Sevco wanker with an ego the size of a small country and hated seeing how popular someone like Tyrone Mings was so did something about it. That had nothing to do with football, nothing to do with management and everything to do with being a spiteful arsehole with skin as thin as crepe paper.
Fuck him.
And Mills.
Thread over ! well played sir .
Yep, check mate (although i dont know what Sevco is)
It was the trading name used to take over Rangers assets when they they folded.
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
Steven Gerrard made bold decisions [at Villa] and very unfortunately, all the new signings, nearly every single one of them got injured in the first few weeks of the season.
Read - Carlos
"So then you are struggling. You’ve actually got to go to players then that you’ve told ‘I don’t really fancy you, you’re not part of my plans because I’ve bought these players in, now I need you’.
Read - Mings
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Danny Mills - grade a Bell end
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Gerrard. The managerial equivalent of Robbie Savage.
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Danny Mills - grade a Bell end
I bet he had not even watched us
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Gerrard. The managerial equivalent of Robbie Savage.
Maybe, but to give him his due, if I had to be stuck in a lift with one of them, I know which one I'd choose.
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I suspect we would make the same choice.
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Danny Mills explains why Gerrard is in fact a good manager actually.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pundit-defends-steven-gerrards-aston-27071189
Steven Gerrard made bold decisions [at Villa] and very unfortunately, all the new signings, nearly every single one of them got injured in the first few weeks of the season.
Read - Carlos
"So then you are struggling. You’ve actually got to go to players then that you’ve told ‘I don’t really fancy you, you’re not part of my plans because I’ve bought these players in, now I need you’.
Read - Mings
Translated to; "my man management skill is arse..."
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Gerrard on BT sport back to his pundity on champions league preview.
He filmed for BT to go on about his famous Liverpool victory.
He's just said "there are no excuses" for tomorrow match!
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Gerrard on BT sport back to his pundity on champions league preview.
He filmed for BT to go on about his famous Liverpool victory.
He's just said "there are no excuses" for tomorrow match!
Did he look the camera in the eye when he uttered this bollocks?
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Did he say that Man City would struggle unless Haaland produced some 'moments of magic'?
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Man City mascot Lescott there and be even sweeter if contrive to lose it tomorrow for hearing him
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Gerrard on BT sport back to his pundity on champions league preview.
He filmed for BT to go on about his famous Liverpool victory.
He's just said "there are no excuses" for tomorrow match!
Did he look the camera in the eye when he uttered this bollocks?
Did he say that Man City would struggle unless Haaland produced some 'moments of magic'?
Shudder at the memories!
Stevie (as Hargreaves keeps calling him) said he was surprised how intense the training was of Inter as was watching them in preparation
I think he needs to go back to his academy basics and to work with youth
The big boys football coaching isn't for him!
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Gerrard on BT sport back to his pundity on champions league preview.
He filmed for BT to go on about his famous Liverpool victory.
He's just said "there are no excuses" for tomorrow match!
Did he look the camera in the eye when he uttered this bollocks?
He tried, but he slipped turning to face the camera.
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We wouldn't have gone down but we'd have been in the mix going into May. And it would have been the type of season that takes 5 years off your life. That said, I was born in 81, started supporting Villa in 90, and given the theory of the club taking years off your life during the pish times, I probably died some time during the battle of hastings.
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Gerrard on BT sport back to his pundity on champions league preview.
He filmed for BT to go on about his famous Liverpool victory.
He's just said "there are no excuses" for tomorrow match!
Did he look the camera in the eye when he uttered this bollocks?
He tried, but he slipped turning to face the camera.
Now now Steven is a very serious individual
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Off to Saudi?
Former Rangers and Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard, 43, is considering an offer to become coach of Saudi Arabian club Al-Ettifaq, who are keen to land the former Liverpool captain. (Reuters)
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Purslow is "stepping down"
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Purslow is "stepping down"
Steps, well and truly greased
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Seems the players at Al Ettifaq will need look Stevie in the eye
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Off to Saudi?
Former Rangers and Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard, 43, is considering an offer to become coach of Saudi Arabian club Al-Ettifaq, who are keen to land the former Liverpool captain. (Reuters)
Prove a point or IMprove his bank balance?
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Umrah Tisserand! Say Umrah Tisserand!
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Off to Saudi?
Former Rangers and Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard, 43, is considering an offer to become coach of Saudi Arabian club Al-Ettifaq, who are keen to land the former Liverpool captain. (Reuters)
Prove a point or IMprove his bank balance?
Option 2 most likely.
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Plus he is utter shit & nobody wanted him at a decent club.
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Seems the players at Al Ettifaq will need look Steven in the eye
Steven is looking a lot of strange individuals in the eye these days, including those his daughter is associating with.
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Seems the players at Al Ettifaq will need look Steven in the eye
Steven is looking a lot of strange individuals in the eye these days, including those his daughter is associating with.
"I told him to look me in the eyes and tell me he's not using boxing as a form of money and reputation laundry"
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He's obviously decided that money is more important than rebuilding his managerial reputation.
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Yes we would have gone down.
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And now he's been appointed in Saudi Arabia.... Al Ettifaq....
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After failing so badly at Villa maybe he knew he had to getthefaq out of England to manage again.
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He has gone to Saudi? Getthefaq outta here.
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Following in the footsteps of O'Leary then
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Let's see how big a pull he is when signing players now.
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Just seen his unveiling photo. Looks like they photoshopped the same photo taken of him with our shirt. What an utter arsehole
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Not now going to Saudi Arabia.
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Probably did some research on him.
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Probably did some research on him.
Someone must have sent them the Fulham game on tape...
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Probably did some research on him.
Someone must have sent them the Fulham game on tape...
They found out Beale wouldn't be joining him.
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Probably did some research on him.
Someone must have sent them the Fulham game on tape...
Reminds me of The Ring.
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Rumours that he's lined up for the Sheffield Wednesday job.
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Rumours that he's lined up for the Sheffield Wednesday job.
Imagine him ruling by fear with players that just got out of league one? He's doomed.
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Sure Baz Bannan can't wait.
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Sure Baz Bannan can't wait.
He might have trouble looking him in the eye ;)
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Can we move this to Other Football? The cvnt doesn't deserve to be clogging-up space that an Aaron Ramsey thread could happily utilise.
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Good suggestion!
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Good suggestion!
Agreed
He is no9w gone and we should be grateful that his uselessness brought our one true love of Emery here
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Back to the question:
Yes
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Good suggestion!
In before the move 😉
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Back to the question:
Yes
As bad as the start was we still beat Everton and Southampton at home and drew away to Forest and Leeds so would've been similar to Lambert and McLeish in having long winless runs but doing just enough to stay above the bottom 3.
Ultimately it was all academic given the pre season target and what we eventually achieved, Gerrard was very lucky to get 12 games. I'd have sacked him after losing 1-0 at home to West Ham as you could see from our August games in how we played we weren't going to do anything so a change was inevitable.
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After watching the Amazon Peter Crouch film, it makes you realise Gerrard has no interest in any other football club than Liverpool.
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Crouch has his own film/doc? Fck me, the guy has written his own memoir, has his own podcast, and is a regular pundit. Peter comes across as a decent bloke but what exactly could he have left to say say?!
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Crouch has his own film/doc? Fck me, the guy has written his own memoir, has his own podcast, and is a regular pundit. Peter comes across as a decent bloke but what exactly could he have left to say say?!
I think the way it works is that you just keep saying the same thing again and again
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I wonder if he'll now get Al Ettifaq relegated?
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Crouch has his own film/doc? Fck me, the guy has written his own memoir, has his own podcast, and is a regular pundit. Peter comes across as a decent bloke but what exactly could he have left to say say?!
I think the way it works is that you just keep saying the same thing again and again
He could talk about being in the Peace video for Generation Strange.
His best work, IMO.
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After watching the Amazon Peter Crouch film, it makes you realise Gerrard has no interest in any other football club than Liverpool.
Does he mention anything about his time at Villa when O'Leary told him he didn't fancy him as a player and shipped him out for relative peanuts?
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https://twitter.com/theanfieldtalk/status/1675953045669019649?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
From the man himself speaking in Arabic to the supporters of his new club.
Translation: “I’m Stevie Gerrard. Look me in the eye and be the best version of yourself. When we win it’s on me. When we lose I’ll say it’s on me but really it’s on the players and on you. I’m a wanker. You’ll get to know that over the next few weeks until I am fired”
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Should this thread be moved to the memories section ? Bad memories.
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Gerard ahh gone to manager one of the Harlem Globetrotter equivalents. Piss off and spew in that horrible nasal accent
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Steven Gerrard has been named manager of Saudi Arabian side Al-Ettifaq.
(BBC sport)
Bwahahahaha
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Says a lot about a manager just starting out in his career to up sticks and head for semi-retirement.
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Representatives are currently in London having finalised Gerrard’s appointment which was announced accompanied by a video on their social media channels.
The video played up Gerrard’s storied career with Liverpool – although, unfortunately, it spells ‘Mersey’ as ‘Meresy” (sic) in one of the graphics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/premier-league/steven-gerrard-accepts-saudi-riches-in-u-turn-as-new-club-botches-his-announcement-video/ar-AA1dnE1k
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I wonder if there are a few Kinihans out there to hang around with .
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Says a lot about a manager just starting out in his career to up sticks and head for semi-retirement.
I'd love to see him getting asked the kind of questions the likes of Mickelson and Westwood got. Would you have taken a club job in Putin's Russia if they paid you enough etc
Same career path DOL took after he left us. Two ego maniacs.
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After watching the Amazon Peter Crouch film, it makes you realise Gerrard has no interest in any other football club than Liverpool.
Does he mention anything about his time at Villa when O'Leary told him he didn't fancy him as a player and shipped him out for relative peanuts?
He didn't have one of our shirts in his collection.
I don't think he enjoyed his time with us that much tbh...
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https://twitter.com/theanfieldtalk/status/1675953045669019649?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
From the man himself speaking in Arabic to the supporters of his new club.
Translation: “I’m Steven Gerrard. Look me in the eye and be the best version of yourself. When we win it’s on me. When we lose I’ll say it’s on me but really it’s on the players and on you. I’m a wanker. You’ll get to know that over the next few weeks until I am fired”
"You will find my tactic of "magic" an absolute head roller..."
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After watching the Amazon Peter Crouch film, it makes you realise Gerrard has no interest in any other football club than Liverpool.
Does he mention anything about his time at Villa when O'Leary told him he didn't fancy him as a player and shipped him out for relative peanuts?
He didn't have one of our shirts in his collection.
I don't think he enjoyed his time with us that much tbh...
It was a real shame for me, he'd come back from a loan at Norwich a different player, but it coincided with the one great season JPA had and his chances were limited to coming off the bench mainly.
Typically we binned him off for peanuts and Angel was never the same again. Had we had Monchi then they'd have took top dollar for Angel (Liverpool were apparently sniffing) and kept Crouch who was about to bloom.
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Typically we binned him off for peanuts and Angel was never the same again. Had we had Monchi then they'd have took top dollar for Angel (Liverpool were apparently sniffing) and kept Crouch who was about to bloom.
There would have been riots in B6.
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Typically we binned him off for peanuts and Angel was never the same again. Had we had Monchi then they'd have took top dollar for Angel (Liverpool were apparently sniffing) and kept Crouch who was about to bloom.
There would have been riots in B6.
There would have been some bedsheets and loud tutting but riots is probably a bit much
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Can't think Gerrard has any real ambition of being a manager if he's gone to Saudi instead of dropping a league or two in England and rebuilding his reputation. He did well at Rangers, but we could all do well at Rangers or Celtic, and it ended badly with us but I don't think it was so bad nobody would ever want to employ him again. I can't see how even being successful in the Saudi league can be compared to achieving anything within the English or even European structures. He's essentially stalling his managerial career and when his time is up in Saudi he'll still be the guy sacked by Aston Villa because he couldn't get a performance out of a squad that finished that season in 7th, and pushed for higher. His bank account will be a lot bigger though.
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He's done a Dolly O'Dearie Leary on it and like him, it'll be the end of his managerial career.
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Maybe he is taking a gamble that if they keep spending, the league will be more respectable in a few years time and won't be the blot on his CV we think it is now. Also, we do tend to be more dismissive of football outside
the UK England than other countries, so if he is a success it could lead to better opportunities still.
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Wise move imo... Never going to cut it as a manager, and has opted for the pay cheque which should see him and his family right for life. He'll do a year or two out there, and then return to do magical midweek nights at Anfield on the telly.
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Maybe he is taking a gamble that if they keep spending, the league will be more respectable in a few years time and won't be the blot on his CV we think it is now. Also, we do tend to be more dismissive of football outside the UK England than other countries, so if he is a success it could lead to better opportunities still.
Yeah, I don't mean to be dismissive of the quality of football over there, I just mean it's extremely difficult to weigh any successes he might have against successes he might have had in the Championship, or League 1 or somewhere more familiar.
It does come down to familiarity I suppose, but if in 4 years a newly promoted prem team are looking for a new manager and you've got Gerrard, took his Saudi team from 10th to 4th, or you've got Joe Bloggs who took MK Don's up to the Championship, in most people's minds the second one is a more understandable achievement.
Obviously improving any team, in any league, shows some level of management skills, but generally speaking I think if I was already loaded, and was serious about building a management career, I'd be staying closer to home for the time being.
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There's a very big difference between taking a managerial job with a middling English club and middling salary and a Saudi club with a large tax free salary.
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There's a very big difference between taking a managerial job with a middling English club and middling salary and a Saudi club with a large tax free salary.
Sure, but it's not like Gerrard is broke. I know you can always be richer but I doubt him taking a relatively small wage for a year or two would bankrupt his entire family.
He was being linked with Leeds and Leicester for a while there but maybe they didn't want him, and this was actually the only offer he had to return to management. I doubt the Saudis would be after him based purely on his managerial history either.
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Probably bottled the challenge of rebuilding (or even starting to build) his reputation as a competent manager.
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Wise move imo... Never going to cut it as a manager, and has opted for the pay cheque which should see him and his family right for life. He'll do a year or two out there, and then return to do magical midweek nights at Anfield on the telly.
This^
We'll probably even see him covering some of our Europa CL nights on BEIN sports
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There's a very big difference between taking a managerial job with a middling English club and middling salary and a Saudi club with a large tax free salary.
For someone like Gerrard who surely is a multi millionaire I don't see the attraction of moving with/without family to Saudi Arabia for this gig. Then again for some people you can never have enough money.
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It's probably safer/more civil living in Saudi now than many parts of the United Kingdom or Europe . Security,luxury beyond belief,huge money has probably tempted him.
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It's probably safer/more civil living in Saudi now than many parts of the United Kingdom or Europe . Security,luxury beyond belief,huge money has probably tempted him.
Yeah if you are rich, male, and not a homosexual or black.
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It's probably safer/more civil living in Saudi now than many parts of the United Kingdom or Europe . Security,luxury beyond belief,huge money has probably tempted him.
Yeah if you are rich, male, and not a homosexual or black.
So Steven then
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I forgot to say you can't be Jewish either.
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It is great if you fancy watching a public beheading though
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Through his daughter he already associates himself with some very questionable people so I'm not sure he's put much thought into the optics of this move, on any level.
But my original point was simply that you'd have to assume he has no real ambition as a manager to make this move at this time.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/04/football-daily-steven-gerrard-al-ettifaq (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/04/football-daily-steven-gerrard-al-ettifaq)
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What's going on with his face in that unveiling pic? Has he been stung by a bee?
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/04/football-daily-steven-gerrard-al-ettifaq (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/04/football-daily-steven-gerrard-al-ettifaq)
I dont understand why they label him a "high profile manager".
Player?
Absolutely...
He was a quality player.
Manager?
Fuck no...
He is a shit manager...
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/04/football-daily-steven-gerrard-al-ettifaq (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/04/football-daily-steven-gerrard-al-ettifaq)
I dont understand why they label him a "high profile manager".
Player?
Absolutely...
He was a quality player.
Manager?
Fuck no...
He is a shit manager...
What is there not to understand.
He is a high profile s**t manager.
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Bah! I just despise the carpet headed shit-******... 😂
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuQJK-trABj/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuQJK-trABj/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Haha! To be fair, at least he's trying.
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Apparently he wants Neil Critchley as his number 2. Hope he didn’t get one of those one year post office passports.
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If this is an example of his "coaching", no wonder we were in relegation trouble
https://twitter.com/Total_Villa/status/1679484226528509960?t=3XC6IFNGF13_ULi7iVu3sg&s=09
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Fair play to him, he's already trying to learn the language. He's already fluent with "need a bit of magic" and is now learning how to tell the players to look him in the eyes.
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That’s not even pub league standard.
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100% yes we would have . He'd lost the dressing room.
Worst manager in the club's history for me
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4 losses on the trot for Saudi Steve. Going well.
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4 losses on the trot for Saudi Steve. Going well.
He just needs a bit of magic.
The fucking wanker twat charlatan prick.
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He needs to look em in the eye.
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Bit harsh on him as they are friendlies against European sides. And I think it's 2 draws and 2 defeats rather than 4 defeats.
Anyone is going to struggle for wins against top notch sides Aluminij, Varazdin, Zalaegerszegi, and Lokomotiva.
Although one of them is a phoenix club of a side that once knocked us out of Europe.
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Fair play to him, he's already trying to learn the language. He's already fluent with "need a bit of magic" and is now learning how to tell the players to look him in the eyes.
Has he mastered “if these players can’t do it, I’ll buy some who can” yet?
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There’s no way on earth he’s managing in the Prem again, he’s a fraud.
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There’s no way he’s managing on earth again, he’s a fraud.
That’s more like it.
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this thread is a rhetorical question . Clever .
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4 losses on the trot for Saudi Steve. Going down the well.
FTFY
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The other day, I did a graph (for fun, obviously) showing our final league positions for every year I've been a season ticket holder. That made me wonder what it would look like game by game since we got promoted. So I did this;
(https://i.ibb.co/DQbYsnh/League-Pos-By-Game.png)
I found it interesting because you can basically follow the trend line from that great start we had in our second season all the way to SG's sacking. That line says it all, we were heading for relegation under both Smith and Gerrard.
What I also found interesting is the difference since Emery took over. The line is much more stable. Under Smith and Gerrard there are a lot of up and down swings, and aside from the end of the first season when we were in the relegation places, very little consistency.
Since Emery took over the stability is clear, as is the lack of backwards steps until the end of the season when other teams in a false position caught up their games in hand.
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Can we rely on Aunty Beeb for calm analysis to the thread question?
From https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66132139.amp
Saudi Pro League: Which players have joined Saudi teams this summer
The caption to the picture of the Al-Ettifaq manager:
“Steven Gerrard is managing in his third country after success at Rangers and the opposite at Aston Villa”
Fairly straightforwardly damning I thought.
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The other day, I did a graph (for fun, obviously) showing our final league positions for every year I've been a season ticket holder. That made me wonder what it would look like game by game since we got promoted. So I did this;
I found it interesting because you can basically follow the trend line from that great start we had in our second season all the way to SG's sacking. That line says it all, we were heading for relegation under both Smith and Gerrard.
What I also found interesting is the difference since Emery took over. The line is much more stable. Under Smith and Gerrard there are a lot of up and down swings, and aside from the end of the first season when we were in the relegation places, very little consistency.
Since Emery took over the stability is clear, as is the lack of backwards steps until the end of the season when other teams in a false position caught up their games in hand.
Nice work! Must have taken a bit of time.
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Nah, and it was that or do some proper work, so I guess it stands imperious as a testament to the powers of procrastination!
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I thought it looked like one of the Tour stages in the Alps.