Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: villadelph on March 04, 2023, 04:55:41 PM
Not convincing but we won. A shit game, and possibly a bad injury to Kamara. Took us forever to get a shot on goal.
You complained the whole time. Enjoy your weekend lads.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Not convincing but we won. A shit game, and possibly a bad injury to Kamara. Took us forever to get a shot on goal.You complained the whole time. Enjoy your weekend lads.
No not really. But tell me what great positives did you take from that? We won that’s about the only thing.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 04:56:35 PM
Post by: Villan82 on March 04, 2023, 04:57:37 PM
Not convincing but we won. A shit game, and possibly a bad injury to Kamara. Took us forever to get a shot on goal.You complained the whole time. Enjoy your weekend lads.
No not really. But tell me what great positives did you take from that? We won that’s about the only thing.
It's also the most important thing...
Post by: gpbarr on March 04, 2023, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: D.boy on March 04, 2023, 04:58:03 PM
Post by: curiousorange on March 04, 2023, 04:58:06 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 04, 2023, 04:58:23 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2023, 04:58:58 PM
Never known another team in world football that finds it so difficult to play against another side when they go down to 10 men. Happens under every single manager we have.
Really hope Kamara injury isn't bad but if it's similar to last time then season over and that's a massive blow as Chambers can't pass at all this season.
Would be starting Dendoncker next week if he's available.
Post by: SaddVillan on March 04, 2023, 04:59:08 PM
Job done. We needed a home win. Wasn't pretty but it rarely is against Palace, for anyone. 3 points, clean sheet. Onto the next one.
This
We'd love a 4-0, but couldn't give a shiney shite if we win all of our remaining games 1-0.
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2023, 04:59:50 PM
Having said that, it's another three points despite not playing very well, which is what big sides do. Emery has that 'big team' energy to him. If we can't prosper with him, we never will.
Hope Kamara's ok.
Post by: curiousorange on March 04, 2023, 05:00:38 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on March 04, 2023, 05:01:02 PM
Next up Ammers - hopefully we can do just that to them
Post by: ez on March 04, 2023, 05:01:04 PM
Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 05:01:32 PM
Post by: Richard on March 04, 2023, 05:01:41 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 04, 2023, 05:02:03 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2023, 05:02:21 PM
Martinez 7, Cash 8, Konsa 6, Mings 6, Moreno 6 (Digne 6), Luiz 7, Kamara 7 (Chambers 5), McGinn 8, Ramsey 5 (Bailey 5), Buendia 6, Watkins 6.
Post by: Nelly on March 04, 2023, 05:03:11 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 04, 2023, 05:03:47 PM
Post by: villadelph on March 04, 2023, 05:04:04 PM
Not convincing but we won. A shit game, and possibly a bad injury to Kamara. Took us forever to get a shot on goal.You complained the whole time. Enjoy your weekend lads.
No not really. But tell me what great positives did you take from that? We won that’s about the only thing.
I thought Kamara and Doug controlled the middle well and Palace had no flow of possession through the middle of the park. Moreno and Cash were both excellent, defended well and both got forward numerous times in combination play. For a team that has one style, force it in to Zaha as quickly as possible, he was nullified barring the early disallowed goal. Did Emi even have a save to make? Is there room for improvement, sure.. but saying that a tying goal is coming or only posting to complain about how shit we are one up at home is asinine.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 04, 2023, 05:04:26 PM
And today there were some very good ball plays, you could see the pieces coming together, and we had lots of good possession.
Okay, Villa were never worried by a bad team,Palace can't score with 11 and, when they had 10, felt victory was inevitable.
Watkins missed a good opportunity to score another goal, but I can be content with the victory.
Up The Villa!
Post by: Baldy on March 04, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Predicted the starting X1 and the sending off.
Well done Villa. Three points is 3 points.
Post by: enigma on March 04, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Post by: BC Villain on March 04, 2023, 05:04:46 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on March 04, 2023, 05:05:22 PM
Post by: Scovilla on March 04, 2023, 05:05:44 PM
Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 05:06:06 PM
Footy Vill the man of the match.
Predicted the starting X1 and the sending off.
Well done Villa. Three points is 3 points.
Well done to him.
I am pro Footy-Vill 8)
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 04, 2023, 05:06:33 PM
Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2023, 05:06:43 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2023, 05:07:06 PM
A really disappointing game, maybe my expectations are too high but I was expecting us to be far better drilled by now. We're still chaotic, still failing to make simple passes when a player is available, we're our own worst enemy.
Good to see SJM back to his Super status, he really should have scored. Cash had his hands full and did a job. Other than that, not much to shout about. VAR, for once is our friend.
Post by: lovejoy on March 04, 2023, 05:08:27 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 04, 2023, 05:09:10 PM
Post by: jwarry on March 04, 2023, 05:09:34 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 04, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
Bailey with a withering ,flaccid balloon of a cameo.Joker.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2023, 05:12:18 PM
Believe it or not we have now won the same amount of games as Newcastle
Win our next two and we can finish above them.
Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2023, 05:12:45 PM
Believe it or not we have now won the same amount of games as Newcastle
Seven points off them and seven points ahead of Palarse directly below us.
Post by: Villa Lew on March 04, 2023, 05:14:02 PM
UP THE VILLA
Post by: olaftab on March 04, 2023, 05:15:43 PM
Post by: CT Villan on March 04, 2023, 05:15:49 PM
Our play is too often ponderous and negative, no urgency. When we try to play one-touch it can be wonderful to watch, wish we'd do it more.
I would rather see what Traore has than Bailey right now. Hopefully Kamara isn't as bad as it looked.
Post by: villadelph on March 04, 2023, 05:16:17 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on March 04, 2023, 05:17:03 PM
Getting to 34 points at this stage is pretty incredible considering where the previous manager had us. Let's keep looking up and climbing that table. UTV.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 05:21:11 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2023, 05:22:26 PM
Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2023, 05:23:57 PM
Wasn't just the two wins this season, it was something like 18 defeats in the calendar year.
If Emery had come in and turned a few more of those sort of defeats into draws it would still be progress. But we're scratching out wins in these tight games without playing particularly well.
Hopefully we can add a bit of finesse to our play between now and the end of the season.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
Every three points we take pushes us that little bit further up the table and increases the likelihood of the manager being able to attract the players he really wants playing for him in the summer, rather than having to put something together from (almost entirely) Gerrard's squad.
It's about points and points only for the rest of the season as far as I am concerned.
Post by: Matt C on March 04, 2023, 05:25:22 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on March 04, 2023, 05:25:32 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2023, 05:27:41 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on March 04, 2023, 05:28:23 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2023, 05:29:20 PM
Post by: john e on March 04, 2023, 05:29:21 PM
Played better football against Leicester, Man City and Arsenal and lost them all
Played crap football against Everton and Palace collecting 6 points
Funny old game
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2023, 05:32:10 PM
Scruffy 1-0 home win…love it! Keep ‘em comin. SJM getting back to his best, great to see.looking to make things happen today, good performance
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2023, 05:32:17 PM
Quote from: John McGinn to BBC
Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn: "It was good. A little bit of mixed emotions. I know we're getting a little bit greedy after three points but when they go down to 10 men, we have to adapt better. We didn't play well after that.
"We ground out the three points. I'm sure the manager won't be pleased with the second-half performance but it's a win and we've been craving a win here for a while.
"Great to get the three points and it gives us an opportunity to look up and not down."
On Palace's disallowed goal: "It gave us a kick up the backside, it was a tight one - I thought it was on at the time but VAR don't get the offside ones wrong so thankfully that went in our favour. After that we had a decent first-half performance.
"That's all it was: decent. We can't get carried away and we need to play a lot better than if we're going to get three points at West Ham."
On Villa's goal: "The manger was trying to get myself, Emi Buendia and Jacob Ramsey into those spaces and use the full-backs. Sometimes he wants them to stay but today he wanted them to get forward.
"Great run from Matty Cash and it made my pass easy."
On West Ham in the next game: "It's always a tough place to go, it's somewhere that we've not managed to get a result in a while but if we win that then who knows what can happen."
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2023, 05:35:33 PM
Good teams play badly and still win.
Every three points we take pushes us that little bit further up the table and increases the likelihood of the manager being able to attract the players he really wants playing for him in the summer, rather than having to put something together from (almost entirely) Gerrard's squad.
It's about points and points only for the rest of the season as far as I am concerned.
Exactly. We’ve had plenty of games in the past where we’ve played alright and lost, I’m quite happy to have it this way round.
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 04, 2023, 05:37:01 PM
We never get a break with injuries so I fully expect him to be out for the season. >:(
Post by: rougegorge on March 04, 2023, 05:37:27 PM
I know this may sound churlish after a win, but it wasn't a good watch against a team who were low on confidence.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 05:45:02 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2023, 05:47:36 PM
It's about points and points only for the rest of the season as far as I am concerned.
Exactly. I said something similar the other week, get the points and league position will take care of itself. Winning's a wonderful habit to have.
Post by: villadelph on March 04, 2023, 05:50:16 PM
I know we scored from playing out from the back, but we overdid it today especially against 10, when we didn't really look like we had an extra player. It's not so much playing out like that, but the default seems to be to go back too often when there is scope for going forward, which is where we are better.
I know this may sound churlish after a win, but it wasn't a good watch against a team who were low on confidence.
They didn’t have a shot on goal and had 5 touches in our box. Sure, we could’ve been better in the final third but that’ll come with recruitment in the summer.
Kamara is our field general and when he had to be pulled our direction and composure was thrown off. I thought Chambers was good enough in his cameo both going forward and dropping back.
Post by: Vegas on March 04, 2023, 05:53:18 PM
Thought we looked short of quality and ideas. Both Cash and Moreno got into promising positions a few times and checked back. Missing a spark.
McGinn the highlight . Palace created very little either, apart from the marginal offside.
History books say 1-0 though so hey ho.
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2023, 05:56:20 PM
I’ll take that.
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2023, 06:02:36 PM
Palace aren't the mugs some seem to think they are. Last 7 games they've only lost to us and Man Utd. The 5 draws were all against sides in the top 9.
Didn't know that, but I'm surprised by it.
I thought they were shockingly bad.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 06:06:40 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2023, 06:07:39 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2023, 06:07:47 PM
Agreed, that was the worst team we have played this season. Both their full backs were rubbish andPalace aren't the mugs some seem to think they are. Last 7 games they've only lost to us and Man Utd. The 5 draws were all against sides in the top 9.
Didn't know that, but I'm surprised by it.
I thought they were shockingly bad.
they had nothing at all in midfield. Indisciplined too.
Post by: andyh on March 04, 2023, 06:11:08 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 04, 2023, 06:11:24 PM
Post by: Vegas on March 04, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 04, 2023, 06:17:32 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2023, 06:20:18 PM
Appears over-coaching to a degree is stifling our attacking prowess.
I thought it was more the complete lack of movement from the four attacking players though there is a habit to over complicate. The two are probably related. Very frustrating to watch.
Post by: Ger Regan on March 04, 2023, 06:21:27 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on March 04, 2023, 06:26:05 PM
Performance - dire
Post by: villadelph on March 04, 2023, 06:30:17 PM
Appears over-coaching to a degree is stifling our attacking prowess.
I thought it was more the complete lack of movement from the four attacking players though there is a habit to over complicate. The two are probably related. Very frustrating to watch.
Our final third needs to improve, no question. At the same token, we are passing circles around defenders in the midfield at times. Confidence on the ball has certainly approved and pair it with two clean sheets on the bounce, I can’t complain.
We’re going to buy a 60m winger in the summer and it’s going to be fantastic.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2023, 06:31:28 PM
We were just so lethargic and sloppy in the second half though. Didn't really show any real ambition to extend the lead, even when they had a man sent off. It was pretty painful to watch at times and you could sense that many in the crowd were bored more than anything else.
As for the players, I know it's still early days, but Moreno has looked less than convincing so far. Ramsey and Buendia gave the ball away too many times between them and Douglas Luiz was too casual at times. Thought McGinn had a good game today and that position suits him.
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2023, 06:44:55 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2023, 06:48:03 PM
Palace aren't the mugs some seem to think they are. Last 7 games they've only lost to us and Man Utd. The 5 draws were all against sides in the top 9.
Didn't know that, but I'm surprised by it.
I thought they were shockingly bad.
Been on run of 4 draws I think I heard on a pod last night.
Post by: Paul.S on March 04, 2023, 06:53:50 PM
UTV
Post by: TheMalandro on March 04, 2023, 06:57:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2023, 06:58:47 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12825668/aston-villa-1-0-crystal-palace-premier-league-highlights
Cheers Leeg!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2023, 07:00:10 PM
We never get a break with injuries so I fully expect him to be out for the season. >:(
I'm not sure that's the phrase I'd have used.
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2023, 07:24:44 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on March 04, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
A good win, a pretty shaky performance.
Post by: CT on March 04, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Was disappointed we didn’t try and really go for a second goal and was almost waiting for one of their late set pieces to go in. Still a great three points, thought SJM and Douggie were excellent.
Post by: LeonW on March 04, 2023, 07:40:00 PM
That ref has a lot to answer for with the Bouba injury. He was letting Palace get away with countless fouls, so they kept in doing it. It took a serious injury for him to actually produce the first yellow.
Was disappointed we didn’t try and really go for a second goal and was almost waiting for one of their late set pieces to go in. Still a great three points, thought SJM and Douggie were excellent.
I think VAR has more to answer for. It was a clear red card. And literally moments later the same player puts another awful challenge in and could have injured another Villa player. He should never have been in the position to.
Post by: Skerra on March 04, 2023, 07:47:09 PM
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 07:52:47 PM
Dean Smith was sitting about 4 rows in front of us, he seemed to enjoy the day.
Post by: curiousorange on March 04, 2023, 07:56:04 PM
We didn’t play that well but another three points and a clean sheet, and we mostly handled Palace’s tricky front players very well. Not a classic but it will more than do.
Dean Smith was sitting about 4 rows in front of us, he seemed to enjoy the day.
Great article about the ten in a row on The Athletic. I can't believe the club didn't put out a DVD or a download of that season.
Post by: Smirker on March 04, 2023, 07:58:03 PM
We didn’t play that well but another three points and a clean sheet, and we mostly handled Palace’s tricky front players very well. Not a classic but it will more than do.
Dean Smith was sitting about 4 rows in front of us, he seemed to enjoy the day.
Love this. Hope he got a good reception. Deano 8)
Post by: Villan82 on March 04, 2023, 08:02:04 PM
We didn’t play that well but another three points and a clean sheet, and we mostly handled Palace’s tricky front players very well. Not a classic but it will more than do.
Dean Smith was sitting about 4 rows in front of us, he seemed to enjoy the day.
Great article about the ten in a row on The Athletic. I can't believe the club didn't put out a DVD or a download of that season.
last year I was moaning on a thread somewhere about this. There isn't enough 'content' these days that you can purchase and own. I used to have all those villa videos/dvds back in the day, they were great to own and dig out at Christmas etc.
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2023, 08:07:41 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 04, 2023, 08:33:24 PM
Given where we were when Gerrard left, we have to be grateful to be safe with 12 games left. Other sides like Leicester, Forest and West Ham have put little runs of improved form together before getting sucked back in. It could have happened to us but we have recovered from our little blip with two wins and a couple of clean sheets. I reckon we will see a couple of big performances before the season is out an'all.
Post by: Beard82 on March 04, 2023, 08:38:47 PM
Think SJM and Cash were good. We didn’t do well against the ten men - but I think that was more because Kamara got injuried - he makes such a difference - and the down grade from him to chambers is ridiculous - he gave the ball away a few times when he shouldn’t have.
Thought Duran looked good but overall a clean sheet and 3 points I would have taken that before the game
Post by: Hillbilly on March 04, 2023, 08:40:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2023, 08:43:10 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2023, 08:46:14 PM
We didn’t play that well but another three points and a clean sheet, and we mostly handled Palace’s tricky front players very well. Not a classic but it will more than do.
Dean Smith was sitting about 4 rows in front of us, he seemed to enjoy the day.
Did he celebrate the goal?!
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 08:47:16 PM
We didn’t play that well but another three points and a clean sheet, and we mostly handled Palace’s tricky front players very well. Not a classic but it will more than do.
Dean Smith was sitting about 4 rows in front of us, he seemed to enjoy the day.
Did he celebrate the goal?!
Didn't notice him until the second half to be honest.
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 08:50:01 PM
What about Juan Pablo Angel, any sightings?
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 08:54:30 PM
Good teams play badly and still win.
Every three points we take pushes us that little bit further up the table and increases the likelihood of the manager being able to attract the players he really wants playing for him in the summer, rather than having to put something together from (almost entirely) Gerrard's squad.
It's about points and points only for the rest of the season as far as I am concerned.
Exactly. We’ve had plenty of games in the past where we’ve played alright and lost, I’m quite happy to have it this way round.
Yes but that sort of cliché omits the fact that good teams more often than not win while playing well. We're still quite ropey looking at home under Emery.
The good thing is that he knows it and talks about it publicly before/after every home game. Given his pedigree and work ethic, I'm not too worried at the moment that it will be something that continues under him.
And as for it being about points - it always is. You could argue that being stuck in the middle of the table with only a glimmer of Europe, maybe now is the one time where performance should be emphasised before results if it embeds a long-term style.
Most of us want us to win every game though, but having both result and performance is greedy and we're not allowed nice things at the Villa, as the saying goes.
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 08:55:35 PM
Buendia is frustrating, when he starts matchs, he seems to struggle to impose himself on the game. McGinn on the other hand continues to perform to a very good level. Ramsey is getting back to some sort of form. His running with the ball is great, just often lets himself down with the final ball.
Watkins ran himself into the ground again, but that was an absolutely horrible miss in the first half, when it seemed easier to score. All in all though, a decent win and a huge improvement from the game against Palace earlier this season, when they could have had 6 or 7 quite easily.
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 08:56:37 PM
Must be weird for Deano, back being a fan in the stands at VP.
What about Juan Pablo Angel, any sightings?
Yep, he was in with the directors.
Post by: ROBBO on March 04, 2023, 09:04:56 PM
Post by: Gareth on March 04, 2023, 09:18:57 PM
For me this biggest positive is you can see how Emery wants them to play and it’s equally obvious that a few won’t be first choice next season - Konsa is not good enough on the ball and has never been a responsibility taker at the back, Buendia is just to easy to dispossess and Bailey has average control and little to no ability to get his head up. Suspect he will feel he can improve upon Cash too.
Think as a fanbase there is some adjustment required, people screaming ‘wide’ or ‘forward’ all the time are going to be wasting their time with Unai :-)
McGinn excellent, motm by a country mile for me
Palace were horrible to watch….and dirty! Olive looked way better then zaha whose body language was very much someone treading water to a £ transfer in summer.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 04, 2023, 09:33:47 PM
Our central defenders are not good enough with the football, Cash did ok but showed his limitations, our central midfield has a huge problem without Camara and Luiz was unconvincing either controlling the tempo or as a playmaker.
Anther poor display from Ramsey but we don’t have too many options and Bailey is obviously not good enough.
The positives are Moreno, Mcginn Camara Watkins Buendia.
That’s 5 players we need to really push on.
Post by: LeonW on March 04, 2023, 09:33:56 PM
Just back didn’t think it was that bad - I thought we looked like clicking a few times but still a work in progress. When Ollie hit the post that was a lovely move - and I think that Ramsey and Alex M weren’t on the same wave length often enough but could become a great link up.
Think SJM and Cash were good. We didn’t do well against the ten men - but I think that was more because Kamara got injuried - he makes such a difference - and the down grade from him to chambers is ridiculous - he gave the ball away a few times when he shouldn’t have.
Thought Duran looked good but overall a clean sheet and 3 points I would have taken that before the game
When we lose Kamara I think our overall level as team drops a lot. Which just shows what a good player he is. Luiz is not the same player when he doesn’t have Kamara next to him.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 09:35:44 PM
Olive looked way better then zaha whose body language was very much someone treading water to a £ transfer in summer.
(https://i0.wp.com/leighgbankspreservationsociety.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/olive.png?fit=544%2C346&ssl=1)
Post by: Gareth on March 04, 2023, 09:44:01 PM
Olive looked way better then zaha whose body language was very much someone treading water to a £ transfer in summer.
(https://i0.wp.com/leighgbankspreservationsociety.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/olive.png?fit=544%2C346&ssl=1)
Lol better haircut than OLISE! too lol
Post by: aev on March 04, 2023, 09:44:46 PM
The defence were good today, after the wake up call of the early disallowed goal. I thought Cash especially had a very good game. Moreno, I think he's the latest in a line of left backs who are alright, without looking miles better than the one before.
Buendia is frustrating, when he starts matchs, he seems to struggle to impose himself on the game. McGinn on the other hand continues to perform to a very good level. Ramsey is getting back to some sort of form. His running with the ball is great, just often lets himself down with the final ball.
Watkins ran himself into the ground again, but that was an absolutely horrible miss in the first half, when it seemed easier to score. All in all though, a decent win and a huge improvement from the game against Palace earlier this season, when they could have had 6 or 7 quite easily.
He really struggles to keep the ball with his back to goal and a defender up tight. He is a completely different player with some space to move into.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 04, 2023, 09:45:49 PM
That ref has a lot to answer for with the Bouba injury. He was letting Palace get away with countless fouls, so they kept in doing it. It took a serious injury for him to actually produce the first yellow.
Agree, it was obvious their strategy was to stick the boot in from half time and the ref was piss weak and encouraged this by letting it go.
Camara injury down to the ref allowing them to get away with it.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 04, 2023, 09:46:26 PM
to struggle finding the next pass .
Too slow and ponderous at times and passing for the sake of it
I think we will need quite the overhaul to achieve what i think the manager wants
Post by: Gareth on March 04, 2023, 09:47:08 PM
The positives are Moreno, Mcginn Camara Watkins Buendia.
That’s 5 players we need to really push on.
Shows exactly how football is a game of opinions, I thought Buendia was comfortably the worst player on the pitch…seems to lose the ball time and time again
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 09:53:06 PM
The positives are Moreno, Mcginn Camara Watkins Buendia.
That’s 5 players we need to really push on.
Shows exactly how football is a game of opinions, I thought Buendia was comfortably the worst player on the pitch…seems to lose the ball time and time again
Yep didn't rate Buendia that highly today. He did a couple of decent things but always seems to not look as effective when starting compared to coming on as a sub.
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 09:55:25 PM
Post by: martyn ellis on March 04, 2023, 09:55:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2023, 09:55:56 PM
The positives are Moreno, Mcginn Camara Watkins Buendia.
That’s 5 players we need to really push on.
Shows exactly how football is a game of opinions, I thought Buendia was comfortably the worst player on the pitch…seems to lose the ball time and time again
He's a real enigma. Loses the ball often in dangerous positions but capable of moments of outstanding quality too like the perfect ball to put Watkins through before half time. Ramsey lost the ball a lot too and made many poor decisions, like looking for a penalty when Buendia was well placed inside of him.
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 09:57:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2023, 10:03:37 PM
That pissing around at the back will honestly be the death of me.
Better than hoofing it long in the general direction of Watkins which seemed to be the tactic under Gerrard or even under Smith when Grealish wasn't around. Will need a better ball player than Konsa though, Mings was actually ok with the ball today. whenever we broke through their press in the first half we looked dangerous I thought.
Did anyone else think the pitch was maybe a bit dry today? The ball certainly wasn't zipping across the surface for either team.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2023, 10:09:08 PM
A win’s a win. And until the league table is based on xG I’m happy with getting 3 points.
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 10:13:38 PM
Gregory and O'Neill could suck the life out of enjoying being a Villa fan with all the draws we racked-up in some of their seasons in charge.
Having said that, with the same number of wins, Newcastle are only ahead of us because they've prevented half a dozen draws become losses.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 04, 2023, 10:36:17 PM
That pissing around at the back will honestly be the death of me.It was excruciating, so often needlessly going backwards when there were forward options available.
I hated it.
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2023, 10:37:50 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 04, 2023, 10:53:51 PM
Moreno, I think he's the latest in a line of left backs who are alright, without looking miles better than the one before.
Yes I said the same.
Overall though I thought it was a good performance today, no one playing badly, we seemed to be putting Emery’s plan into action with good possession football and some tidy passing and link up play. We just seemed to lack a bit of pace if anything, with that we’d have been miles better than them. The possession football and tidy passing in and around our own penalty area does concern me at times though.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 04, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on March 04, 2023, 11:39:13 PM
That pissing around at the back will honestly be the death of me.It was excruciating, so often needlessly going backwards when there were forward options available.
I hated it.
Agreed. I tried to stay awake, but just couldn't. I think after 20 minutes, the passing around at the back was the best sleeping pill I've ever experienced.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2023, 11:44:20 PM
The only issue with it is that we lack width at times. Moreno and Cash got in some decent advanced positions, but go backwards more often than not.
Post by: BC54 VFC on March 05, 2023, 01:04:24 AM
Good teams play badly and still win.Twas ever thus.
Every three points we take pushes us that little bit further up the table and increases the likelihood of the manager being able to attract the players he really wants playing for him in the summer, rather than having to put something together from (almost entirely) Gerrard's squad.
It's about points and points only for the rest of the season as far as I am concerned.
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 01:32:54 AM
We weren't ever in any difficulty; they didn't have a shot on target in the whole game.
We frustrated them and they just fouled and moaned repeatedly. It wasn't a free-flowing game but it was a game we controlled and did what we needed to do. Brilliant stuff that the manager is renowned for and the reason he wins matches and competitions.
There were a lot of frustrated Villa fans, as you can tell by reading here, but if you think about it for just a moment, would you rather we'd gone for it and lost 4-2 or do what we did and win 1-0?
I think that you can see we were far more disciplined, shackles were on and that the manager had decided, as the proud manager he is, there was no way we were losing another game at home.
We were clearly the better side, and played pragmatically in order to win. Sometimes you just have to grind it out.
Their 'goal' was offside but also had a foul on Buendia in the first place to get the ball. Watkins missed a great opportunity to make it more comfortable but I'm just really pleased with a win.
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 01:37:02 AM
That pissing around at the back will honestly be the death of me.It was excruciating, so often needlessly going backwards when there were forward options available.
I hated it.
Agreed. I tried to stay awake, but just couldn't. I think after 20 minutes, the passing around at the back was the best sleeping pill I've ever experienced.
Youre just going to have to live with it. It worked for us, it works for a lot of successful teams.
I see it a bit like Test Cricket when teams are winning by staying in and scoring singles rather than playing swashbuckling attacking shots and going for boundaries all the time.
Right now, it's what we need to do. When we buy some better players to strengthen our forward and wide options we can, and should, expect more.
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 05, 2023, 01:43:17 AM
Results wise will get us mid table but at the moment that will be that.
Post by: Axl Rose on March 05, 2023, 04:36:40 AM
That pissing around at the back will honestly be the death of me.It was excruciating, so often needlessly going backwards when there were forward options available.
I hated it.
Agreed. I tried to stay awake, but just couldn't. I think after 20 minutes, the passing around at the back was the best sleeping pill I've ever experienced.
Youre just going to have to live with it. It worked for us, it works for a lot of successful teams.
I see it a bit like Test Cricket when teams are winning by staying in and scoring singles rather than playing swashbuckling attacking shots and going for boundaries all the time.
Right now, it's what we need to do. When we buy some better players to strengthen our forward and wide options we can, and should, expect more.
Yes, I think you're right, Drummond.
Emery has his way, and like you said, we'll buy better players, and the style will improve.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 05, 2023, 06:42:31 AM
We will beat teams such as Southampton/Palace/Everton playing this way…
Aren’t you forgetting Man U, Brighton, Spurs and Leeds?
Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 08:13:32 AM
We will beat teams such as Southampton/Palace/Everton playing this way…
Aren’t you forgetting Man U, Brighton, Spurs and Leeds?
Exactly 22 points from 22 games since Emery took over by my reckoning. We haven't played well all the time but have either won playing ordinary or created enough chances to get something from every game - Cit-eh aside
Post by: clash city rocker on March 05, 2023, 08:18:59 AM
Post by: Towser on March 05, 2023, 08:28:39 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 05, 2023, 08:36:34 AM
McGinn put in a serious shift.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 05, 2023, 08:47:47 AM
Anyone got a video of Ashley Young throwing the ball over Sahas head down by the corner flag when it went out of play? I burst out laughing when it happened but my Wife missed it and wants to see it.
Yes, one of the highlights of the second half that. You could have a very educated guess as to what Zaha would have said to Young. I know he’s not popular in these parts but he’d be great for us, he shields the ball so well and really stretches defences the way he plays right on the shoulder, probably not the wage/age profile we are looking for mind.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 05, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
Anyone got a video of Ashley Young throwing the ball over Sahas head down by the corner flag when it went out of play? I burst out laughing when it happened but my Wife missed it and wants to see it.
Yes, one of the highlights of the second half that. You could have a very educated guess as to what Zaha would have said to Young. I know he’s not popular in these parts but he’d be great for us, he shields the ball so well and really stretches defences the way he plays right on the shoulder, probably not the wage/age profile we are looking for mind.
Can’t stand the bloke but he is a perfect fit for the striker/wringer position Emery has asked Bailey to play.
Post by: Richard E on March 05, 2023, 09:03:23 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 05, 2023, 09:12:21 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2023, 09:23:06 AM
Anyone got a video of Ashley Young throwing the ball over Sahas head down by the corner flag when it went out of play? I burst out laughing when it happened but my Wife missed it and wants to see it.
Yes, one of the highlights of the second half that. You could have a very educated guess as to what Zaha would have said to Young. I know he’s not popular in these parts but he’d be great for us, he shields the ball so well and really stretches defences the way he plays right on the shoulder, probably not the wage/age profile we are looking for mind.
His contract is up in the summer and Emery wanted him at Arsenal. I can see us going for him, and I'd be happy if we did
Post by: CT on March 05, 2023, 09:37:42 AM
First game of the season for me. I enjoyed it, clearly this passing it around at the back is essential to what Emery is trying to do. Had a seat in the middle Trinity Road and was surprised to see the large numbers of people streaming out of the lower Holte as early as the 35th minute. I guess that was due to a combination of the play, the cold and the catering issues.
It happens every single game, regardless of the score or performance. Sometimes I run down for a piss when the whistle goes and see plenty of guys halfway through pints.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 05, 2023, 09:37:46 AM
Anyone got a video of Ashley Young throwing the ball over Sahas head down by the corner flag when it went out of play? I burst out laughing when it happened but my Wife missed it and wants to see it.
Yes, one of the highlights of the second half that. You could have a very educated guess as to what Zaha would have said to Young. I know he’s not popular in these parts but he’d be great for us, he shields the ball so well and really stretches defences the way he plays right on the shoulder, probably not the wage/age profile we are looking for mind.
His contract is up in the summer and Emery wanted him at Arsenal. I can see us going for him, and I'd be happy if we did
I get the feeling that he will be expecting to join a team that are already in the position that we are aspiring to.
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 09:45:37 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on March 05, 2023, 09:55:10 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on March 05, 2023, 10:00:53 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
We will beat teams such as Southampton/Palace/Everton playing this way…
Aren’t you forgetting Man U, Brighton, Spurs and Leeds?
Exactly 22 points from 22 games since Emery took over by my reckoning. We haven't played well all the time but have either won playing ordinary or created enough chances to get something from every game - Cit-eh aside
I’m sure it was just a typo, but 12 games.
4 defeats to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Cheat City, an incredibly unlucky late goal v The Arse and fucking Leicester, which was to me a freak result based on the performance.
He’s going really well with these players and I’m excited to see how he does with a few better ones.
Gerrard shouldn’t have been allowed to waste all those easy early fixtures. Time was definitely up after 4 games for me but would we have got Emery then?
Post by: Allan C on March 05, 2023, 10:51:19 AM
Good teams play badly and still win.That’s a great point, I’m not bothered really about Europe but a big push next season with the right, quality players is very much dependent on where we finish this season
Every three points we take pushes us that little bit further up the table and increases the likelihood of the manager being able to attract the players he really wants playing for him in the summer, rather than having to put something together from (almost entirely) Gerrard's squad.
It's about points and points only for the rest of the season as far as I am concerned.
Post by: dave shelley on March 05, 2023, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: curiousorange on March 05, 2023, 11:35:06 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2023, 11:35:54 AM
I think he’d be brilliant for us and is exactly the type of player we need but do not have.
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 11:43:56 AM
Zaha is one of those players you hate unless he plays for you (Martinez getting that way too).
I think he’d be brilliant for us and is exactly the type of player we need but do not have.
I agree with you and LeeB, he’s exactly the sort of player we need.
Post by: olaftab on March 05, 2023, 11:59:38 AM
Post by: LukeJames on March 05, 2023, 12:03:04 PM
Post by: darren woolley on March 05, 2023, 12:04:08 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
We will beat teams such as Southampton/Palace/Everton playing this way…
Aren’t you forgetting Man U, Brighton, Spurs and Leeds?
Exactly 22 points from 22 games since Emery took over by my reckoning. We haven't played well all the time but have either won playing ordinary or created enough chances to get something from every game - Cit-eh aside
I’m sure it was just a typo, but 12 games.
4 defeats to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Cheat City, an incredibly unlucky late goal v The Arse and fucking Leicester, which was to me a freak result based on the performance.
He’s going really well with these players and I’m excited to see how he does with a few better ones.
Gerrard shouldn’t have been allowed to waste all those easy early fixtures. Time was definitely up after 4 games for me but would we have got Emery then?
Yes Percy - was typo.
Well who knows had we sacked him then (after 'ammers game) who we would have got. Maybe Lochawhathsiface at Dogheads. Couldn't been anyone worse (mind we did when incumbents were replaced by McNeill and McLeish) than Gerrard.
Leicester - we had enough chances to win 2 games in the first half alone and still ended up losing that half
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
I agree with the general consensus that it was a bit of a drab game but we could quite easily have won that 3-0 with our chances. Ollie and SJM should have buried there efforts.
That Watkins miss was a great example of how he can be so infuriating. Would have been a fine goal, too. What a shame.
Post by: DerbyVillian on March 05, 2023, 12:08:51 PM
Anyone got a video of Ashley Young throwing the ball over Sahas head down by the corner flag when it went out of play? I burst out laughing when it happened but my Wife missed it and wants to see it.
Made me laugh too, sorry no video though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2023, 12:08:54 PM
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 12:10:12 PM
I've seen it suggested that it's because Emery likes to use them for the pre-match drills. This strikes me as utter bollocks for the following reasons:
1) You surely don't need to be in the squad to take part in drills
2) Exactly what drills can take place that you need three keepers for?
3) He wasn't doing it when we had more players, and he won't be doing it next season after the summer transfer window.
And while I'm at it, surely there's a youth team player who could go on the bench to actually fill the last spot?
I'm wondering if it's a not so subtle message to Purslow and Lange ahead of the summer?
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 05, 2023, 12:23:07 PM
I agree with the general consensus that it was a bit of a drab game but we could quite easily have won that 3-0 with our chances. Ollie and SJM should have buried there efforts.
That Watkins miss was a great example of how he can be so infuriating. Would have been a fine goal, too. What a shame.
Ironically, his first touch was very good too.
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2023, 12:31:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 05, 2023, 12:33:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2023, 12:51:28 PM
What is with the two keepers on the bench exactly?
I've seen it suggested that it's because Emery likes to use them for the pre-match drills. This strikes me as utter bollocks for the following reasons:
1) You surely don't need to be in the squad to take part in drills
2) Exactly what drills can take place that you need three keepers for?
3) He wasn't doing it when we had more players, and he won't be doing it next season after the summer transfer window.
And while I'm at it, surely there's a youth team player who could go on the bench to actually fill the last spot?
I'm wondering if it's a not so subtle message to Purslow and Lange ahead of the summer?
He’s only started to do it since Southampton away on January 21st. Up until that point he only ever had one keeper on the bench and youngsters like Kayden Young or Cam had made the bench instead along with more senior players. Most of them have gone mind you.
Post by: Ian. on March 05, 2023, 01:12:40 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2023, 01:15:07 PM
Nine times out ten, he puts that chance away, especially with the form he's in. That happens whoever you are.It’s about 1 in 5.
I wish it was 9/10.
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2023, 01:16:01 PM
It’s been said he doesn’t like to give young players false hope. I don’t believe for a minute it’s a message to the owners who will back him. I don’t agree with it either but I believe this more than worry it’s a little dig.
And me to, especially after only one window.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 05, 2023, 01:20:14 PM
We will beat teams such as Southampton/Palace/Everton playing this way, its the games against the likes of Liverpool / City that we will really struggle who high press.
Results wise will get us mid table but at the moment that will be that.
We beat Man Utd and Spurs playing this way and Brighton, who have been superb this season. I havent read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been said.
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
It’s been said he doesn’t like to give young players false hope. I don’t believe for a minute it’s a message to the owners who will back him. I don’t agree with it either but I believe this more than worry it’s a little dig.
As I said elsewhere, it’s rubbish because a youth team keeper on the bench as a second sub goalie has absolutely no chance of ever getting on. We had one central defender on the bench yesterday, and he ended up playing in midfield. An injury to Konsa or Mings after that and we’d have had nothing.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2023, 01:24:14 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 05, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Post by: Ads on March 05, 2023, 01:52:38 PM
Tactically they attempted to keep our full backs pinned by pushing 4 high when in possession. It struck me that they'd not particularly seen us post Gerrard, which is how they beat us at Selhurst Park, by finding runners in big gaps vacated by full backs or between out of position centre halves.
We played some very controlled football, but there wasn't enough in the final third. You got a real safety first sense about it all and that's fine, as long as you stay controlled to the last. And we did, despite the crowds protestations. It was good to see us playing out from the back until the last, under no real danger despite the Holte being antsy, right up to the end. There was no panic as under Arsenal.
Certainly we can add a lot more going forward, there was a real economy of chances, but McGinn and Watkins missed opportunities that ought to have been taken.
As much as it was excitement free, with only minor sparks of passing fluidity, it was entirely risk free too. At no point did Palace look threatening. The game was strangled.
There's a lot of tactical strings to Emery's bow. I'm excited for the push toward the end of the season and even more so for what we can do next when he gets a chance to add. We're top 5 under him so far with Gerrard and Smith's squad.
Post by: Bad English on March 05, 2023, 02:13:29 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 05, 2023, 02:29:36 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 05, 2023, 02:31:12 PM
3 points. Fairly drab game and Villa Park was flat as fuck. I expect better when I fly over for the match. Sing some songs you lazy buggers! Tsk!"You come to see the Villa, come to see the Villa"
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2023, 02:35:39 PM
3 points. Fairly drab game and Villa Park was flat as fuck. I expect better when I fly over for the match. Sing some songs you lazy buggers! Tsk!
More importantly, how was the curry at Shabab's?
Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
I felt it was a game we controlled entirely, but not in a dynamic way. I felt we were outmatched physically in terms of height and power by Palace, but stymied those advantages well. I watched their game against Liverpool and they're incredibly poor to watch. There's no flow to the play and it's all diagonal balls over the top and percentage free kicks and corners. It was no surprise that the game was quite turgid.
Tactically they attempted to keep our full backs pinned by pushing 4 high when in possession. It struck me that they'd not particularly seen us post Gerrard, which is how they beat us at Selhurst Park, by finding runners in big gaps vacated by full backs or between out of position centre halves.
We played some very controlled football, but there wasn't enough in the final third. You got a real safety first sense about it all and that's fine, as long as you stay controlled to the last. And we did, despite the crowds protestations. It was good to see us playing out from the back until the last, under no real danger despite the Holte being antsy, right up to the end. There was no panic as under Arsenal.
Certainly we can add a lot more going forward, there was a real economy of chances, but McGinn and Watkins missed opportunities that ought to have been taken.
As much as it was excitement free, with only minor sparks of passing fluidity, it was entirely risk free too. At no point did Palace look threatening. The game was strangled.
There's a lot of tactical strings to Emery's bow. I'm excited for the push toward the end of the season and even more so for what we can do next when he gets a chance to add. We're top 5 under him so far with Gerrard and Smith's squad.
This is the impression I got from what I've seen and the comments I've heard from people who were there.
As I posted in the Emery thread, I think he wants us to dominate games. I suspect games like Leicester and Stevenage made him think we need to be in more control.
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2023, 04:30:44 PM
It’s been said he doesn’t like to give young players false hope. I don’t believe for a minute it’s a message to the owners who will back him. I don’t agree with it either but I believe this more than worry it’s a little dig.
As I said elsewhere, it’s rubbish because a youth team keeper on the bench as a second sub goalie has absolutely no chance of ever getting on. We had one central defender on the bench yesterday, and he ended up playing in midfield. An injury to Konsa or Mings after that and we’d have had nothing.
I read something last night that he said he needs 3 goalies for the warm ups and he's happy with 6 outfield subs.
I tend to think like Ian it may be subtle protest at the squad depth
Post by: lovejoy on March 05, 2023, 04:51:22 PM
We will beat teams such as Southampton/Palace/Everton playing this way…
Aren’t you forgetting Man U, Brighton, Spurs and Leeds?
Exactly 22 points from 22 games since Emery took over by my reckoning. We haven't played well all the time but have either won playing ordinary or created enough chances to get something from every game - Cit-eh aside
Hi Rob I admire your boldness posting on here but that stats clearly not right. Why not fact check before posting next time?
Post by: Ger Regan on March 05, 2023, 05:10:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 05:12:23 PM
3 points. Fairly drab game and Villa Park was flat as fuck. I expect better when I fly over for the match. Sing some songs you lazy buggers! Tsk!
Were you sat between Deano and Juan Pablo?
Post by: Lsvilla on March 05, 2023, 05:25:23 PM
It isn't just fill a place on the bench though like a comp winner. The player involved would need to be integrated into every aspect of the pre-match briefings / routine / warm-ups etc. I imagine Unai is a very thorough and meticulous man and would not want someone there if they weren't ready for every aspect of his match day (and prior days) experience. The goalkeeping unit is slightly different and you can see how / why the three working together makes sense so including all three is no problem). He did include Kaden a few times but has soon dropped him once he signed his professional contract.It’s been said he doesn’t like to give young players false hope. I don’t believe for a minute it’s a message to the owners who will back him. I don’t agree with it either but I believe this more than worry it’s a little dig.
As I said elsewhere, it’s rubbish because a youth team keeper on the bench as a second sub goalie has absolutely no chance of ever getting on. We had one central defender on the bench yesterday, and he ended up playing in midfield. An injury to Konsa or Mings after that and we’d have had nothing.
I read something last night that he said he needs 3 goalies for the warm ups and he's happy with 6 outfield subs.
I tend to think like Ian it may be subtle protest at the squad depth
Post by: brontebilly on March 05, 2023, 05:27:56 PM
I love Unai, but i'm not a fan of basically saying to the youth players "you're so shit i'd rather have an empty seat on the bench than you". Doesn't strike me as much of a confidence builder to a kid trying to make it in the game. The 2 keepers thing doesn't bother me at all.
It's the kind of stunt Harry Redknapp would pull if he was looking for the board to invest in new signings....
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 06:36:48 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/jD0sd8J/taylesjpa.png) (https://ibb.co/jD0sd8J)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 05, 2023, 06:57:50 PM
Team-mates reunited:
(https://i.ibb.co/jD0sd8J/taylesjpa.png) (https://ibb.co/jD0sd8J)
They both look great
Post by: dave shelley on March 05, 2023, 06:58:49 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 08:52:22 PM
Team-mates reunited:
(https://i.ibb.co/jD0sd8J/taylesjpa.png) (https://ibb.co/jD0sd8J)
Great photo - love the both but more Man Love for Tayls
Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 08:57:39 PM
I love Unai, but i'm not a fan of basically saying to the youth players "you're so shit i'd rather have an empty seat on the bench than you". Doesn't strike me as much of a confidence builder to a kid trying to make it in the game. The 2 keepers thing doesn't bother me at all.
It's the kind of stunt Harry Redknapp would pull if he was looking for the board to invest in new signings....
Transfer deadline day - winds down window to Sky reporter. Well I haven't got any players (having signed 7 or 8) but I think that's it for this window
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 05, 2023, 08:58:30 PM
There might be a sending off in this, there usually is.
I thought we’d win by 4 or 5 too but glad i got the dullest bit correct.
Post by: Bad English on March 05, 2023, 08:58:49 PM
Sound. Had poppadoms, mixed grill starter,3 points. Fairly drab game and Villa Park was flat as fuck. I expect better when I fly over for the match. Sing some songs you lazy buggers! Tsk!
More importantly, how was the curry at Shabab's?
and a Keema Balti with 'ladyfingers', Madras hot. Mate had chicken Balti. Medium naan for two. Service was a bit long and the manager came over and apologised but we weren't too bothered to be honest. Few cans of Stella from the shop down the road. Lovely!
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 05, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 05, 2023, 10:00:43 PM
https://twitter.com/TheVillaHome/status/1632281014054649856?t=hmQ-FU4RsV56eqbjII_xWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/StrideSteve/status/1632288783835054085?t=8DWm8pP7XI5UEF1-C4GPBw&s=19
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 10:12:45 PM
Not just Juan Pablo Angel at the game yesterday.
https://twitter.com/TheVillaHome/status/1632281014054649856?t=hmQ-FU4RsV56eqbjII_xWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/StrideSteve/status/1632288783835054085?t=8DWm8pP7XI5UEF1-C4GPBw&s=19
What's class about Deano is he speaks a bit of Spanish.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 10:14:47 PM
Not just Juan Pablo Angel at the game yesterday.
https://twitter.com/TheVillaHome/status/1632281014054649856?t=hmQ-FU4RsV56eqbjII_xWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/StrideSteve/status/1632288783835054085?t=8DWm8pP7XI5UEF1-C4GPBw&s=19
After a billion years, we have finally found out how to treat the people who kept the fabric of the club going through thick, thin, thicker and thinner
Well done to whoever thought this was a good idea.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 05, 2023, 10:16:56 PM
Not just Juan Pablo Angel at the game yesterday.
https://twitter.com/TheVillaHome/status/1632281014054649856?t=hmQ-FU4RsV56eqbjII_xWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/StrideSteve/status/1632288783835054085?t=8DWm8pP7XI5UEF1-C4GPBw&s=19
Jim Walker looks exactly the same as when he was running on with the magic sponge 20 years ago.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 05, 2023, 10:22:11 PM
It isn't just fill a place on the bench though like a comp winner. The player involved would need to be integrated into every aspect of the pre-match briefings / routine / warm-ups etc. I imagine Unai is a very thorough and meticulous man and would not want someone there if they weren't ready for every aspect of his match day (and prior days) experience. The goalkeeping unit is slightly different and you can see how / why the three working together makes sense so including all three is no problem). He did include Kaden a few times but has soon dropped him once he signed his professional contract.It’s been said he doesn’t like to give young players false hope. I don’t believe for a minute it’s a message to the owners who will back him. I don’t agree with it either but I believe this more than worry it’s a little dig.
As I said elsewhere, it’s rubbish because a youth team keeper on the bench as a second sub goalie has absolutely no chance of ever getting on. We had one central defender on the bench yesterday, and he ended up playing in midfield. An injury to Konsa or Mings after that and we’d have had nothing.
I read something last night that he said he needs 3 goalies for the warm ups and he's happy with 6 outfield subs.
I tend to think like Ian it may be subtle protest at the squad depth
Bit of a stretch, but wonder if it is really just covering absolutely every angle? Now there are more subs allowed, it allows having two keepers just in case there is a freak situation where the sub keeper goes on and either gets injured or sent off.
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 11:44:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 11:47:23 PM
Not just Juan Pablo Angel at the game yesterday.
https://twitter.com/TheVillaHome/status/1632281014054649856?t=hmQ-FU4RsV56eqbjII_xWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/StrideSteve/status/1632288783835054085?t=8DWm8pP7XI5UEF1-C4GPBw&s=19
After a billion years, we have finally found out how to treat the people who kept the fabric of the club going through thick, thin, thicker and thinner
Well done to whoever thought this was a good idea.
But wait, there's more! Alan Wright and Mickey "with the oak-mickey" Oakes doing a Q&A soon!
Post by: sid1964 on March 06, 2023, 06:32:14 AM
Just an aside I park by Aston Hall, the litter in that area is a disgrace, surely the King Edward VI school could organise a litter pick in the streets by the school or get a care taker to clean up the litter.
How the teachers etc.. walk past the litter on a daily basis and do not clean it up is beyond me.
Post by: Alex77 on March 06, 2023, 08:09:28 AM
Poor game of football, as one guy said to me on the way out of the ground "to think we have paid to watch that"
Just an aside I park by Aston Hall, the litter in that area is a disgrace, surely the King Edward VI school could organise a litter pick in the streets by the school or get a care taker to clean up the litter.
How the teachers etc.. walk past the litter on a daily basis and do not clean it up is beyond me.
How many bags of rubbish did you collect?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2023, 08:13:32 AM
Poor game of football, as one guy said to me on the way out of the ground "to think we have paid to watch that"The walk from the Barton’s to Aston Hall resembles a rubbish dump with houses built on it.
Just an aside I park by Aston Hall, the litter in that area is a disgrace, surely the King Edward VI school could organise a litter pick in the streets by the school or get a care taker to clean up the litter.
How the teachers etc.. walk past the litter on a daily basis and do not clean it up is beyond me.
Post by: sid1964 on March 06, 2023, 08:15:20 AM
I would of thought that as it is a community school they would want to look after the area around the school
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2023, 08:15:49 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 06, 2023, 08:18:44 AM
The best thing any of us could do about the rubbish is to not vote for a bunch of corrupt arseholes that starve local government of resources whilst doling it out to their mates
Round of applause 👏 well said.
Post by: Charlie8182 on March 06, 2023, 08:45:09 AM
Saw my first Villa v Palace game in 1967. We've played them a lot over the years. There has never ever been a memorable game with them. In fact the only stand out Palace related thing I can think of was Dalians goal at Selhurst Park- and that was against Wimbledon !
The only memorable games against them for me was in division 2 (1987/88), we beat them 4-1 at home with a Mark Walters hat-trick and 1-1 away only for events off the pitch with Palace fans throwing dustbins at us in the corner!
Post by: Axl Rose on March 06, 2023, 08:54:14 AM
Sound. Had poppadoms, mixed grill starter,3 points. Fairly drab game and Villa Park was flat as fuck. I expect better when I fly over for the match. Sing some songs you lazy buggers! Tsk!
More importantly, how was the curry at Shabab's?
and a Keema Balti with 'ladyfingers', Madras hot. Mate had chicken Balti. Medium naan for two. Service was a bit long and the manager came over and apologised but we weren't too bothered to be honest. Few cans of Stella from the shop down the road. Lovely!
That sounds absolutely superb.
Is Shaban's the place with massive naans?
Post by: Drummond on March 06, 2023, 09:45:52 AM
You can see the players are adapting to new methods, patterns of play and positioning. The comments from Cash after the game show that they are adapting and learning.
Going back to the late 70s when I started watching the game the better teams retain possession and wait to exploit weaknesses. It's what we are trying to do and I'm all for it.
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2023, 10:01:06 AM
Post by: AV82EC on March 06, 2023, 10:26:02 AM
It was a poor spectacle if you were after an entertaining game of football. I don't mind, as give me a turgid 1-0 win any time over an entertaining defeat, but while we controlled the game you couldn't really argue we're playing well.
We’re adapting to modern possession football for the first time in what seems like aeons so I’m willing to cut the players/Manager a bit of slack at the moment. During this period we’ll get some good and drudgy stuff in equal measure. But yes Saturday wasn’t eye bleedingly Bruce-esque but it wasn’t flowing Atkinson ball either.
I was about to write “Trust the Process” but realised that would make the worst type of wanker imaginable.
Post by: London Villan on March 06, 2023, 11:14:58 AM
Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2023, 12:12:20 PM
It was a poor spectacle if you were after an entertaining game of football. I don't mind, as give me a turgid 1-0 win any time over an entertaining defeat, but while we controlled the game you couldn't really argue we're playing well.
We’re adapting to modern possession football for the first time in what seems like aeons so I’m willing to cut the players/Manager a bit of slack at the moment. During this period we’ll get some good and drudgy stuff in equal measure. But yes Saturday wasn’t eye bleedingly Bruce-esque but it wasn’t flowing Atkinson ball either.
I was about to write “Trust the Process” but realised that would make the worst type of wanker imaginable.
A wanker maybe, but a right wanker at least.
It sounds horrible and cynical but if you watch teams like Man City the first thing they try to do is take control of the game. You often hear about teams winning without getting out of first gear and Saturday was a perfect example of us doing that to a team, it was dull, we weren't at our best but we won and there was nothing lucky about the result. The next thing we need to do is start taking chances like the Watkins and McGinn ones and turning some of these routine wins into 3 or 4 goal beatings where we look like we can score another whenever we want to. I think we'll get there.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 06, 2023, 12:24:55 PM
Importantly we have scored two similar goals (the 2nd v arsenal and the OG) which suggests the tactics and patterns of play are starting to become second nature. We are no longer relying on individual brilliance or a set piece to score. I don’t think Gerrard, or even Smith, ever managed to have a signature goal during their tenure,s, so there is progress.
Post by: Drummond on March 06, 2023, 12:27:55 PM
Post by: Smithy on March 06, 2023, 12:40:26 PM
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2023, 12:56:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2023, 01:02:18 PM
Yep, Watkin’s miss, ironically having controlled it perfectly, would likely have been the springboard to a much more comfortable victory.
Importantly we have scored two similar goals (the 2nd v arsenal and the OG) which suggests the tactics and patterns of play are starting to become second nature. We are no longer relying on individual brilliance or a set piece to score. I don’t think Gerrard, or even Smith, ever managed to have a signature goal during their tenure,s, so there is progress.
The McGinn chance was similar as well, Bailey stayed wide so had to beat his man but it was another one where we created a gap between the full back and centre back (which is the signature bit of this) and used that space to create a chance to get a dangerous ball across goal.
Post by: olaftab on March 06, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
It was a poor spectacle if you were after an entertaining game of football. I don't mind, as give me a turgid 1-0 win any time over an entertaining defeat, but while we controlled the game you couldn't really argue we're playing well.This. A few friends, including Arsenal supporters, said to me how well the Villa played against Arsenal and did not deserve to lose. Well that's bah humbug, really I would rather they were castigating us for being lucky so and so...
Post by: Nii Lamptey on March 06, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
It does get a little squeaky bum time at the back at times, but our goal against Palace came from that process. We'd have rolled over and got our belly tickled against this lot if we had either of the previous incumbents still in charge.
I'm loving it tbh. It will take a bit of time, but I'd wager that we'll win something with this fella in charge. He's managed to pull Watkins and McGinn back into form and turn us into a footballing team who have a plan (rather than relying on 'that bit of magic')....and even whilst the jury is still out on Cash for me, he has two assists in the last two games.
In Emery we trust. #UTV
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 06, 2023, 01:59:15 PM
Yep, Watkin’s miss, ironically having controlled it perfectly, would likely have been the springboard to a much more comfortable victory.
Importantly we have scored two similar goals (the 2nd v arsenal and the OG) which suggests the tactics and patterns of play are starting to become second nature. We are no longer relying on individual brilliance or a set piece to score. I don’t think Gerrard, or even Smith, ever managed to have a signature goal during their tenure,s, so there is progress.
The McGinn chance was similar as well, Bailey stayed wide so had to beat his man but it was another one where we created a gap between the full back and centre back (which is the signature bit of this) and used that space to create a chance to get a dangerous ball across goal.
There was another McGinn chance that came from the ball being played from back to front and ended with Digne putting the ball in for him. At the start of the move you could hear the impatience of the fans wanting us to lump it as we ‘pissed around with it’ at the back.
Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2023, 02:09:59 PM
Yep, Watkin’s miss, ironically having controlled it perfectly, would likely have been the springboard to a much more comfortable victory.
Importantly we have scored two similar goals (the 2nd v arsenal and the OG) which suggests the tactics and patterns of play are starting to become second nature. We are no longer relying on individual brilliance or a set piece to score. I don’t think Gerrard, or even Smith, ever managed to have a signature goal during their tenure,s, so there is progress.
The McGinn chance was similar as well, Bailey stayed wide so had to beat his man but it was another one where we created a gap between the full back and centre back (which is the signature bit of this) and used that space to create a chance to get a dangerous ball across goal.
There was another McGinn chance that came from the ball being played from back to front and ended with Digne putting the ball in for him. At the start of the move you could hear the impatience of the fans wanting us to lump it as we ‘pissed around with it’ at the back.
Indeed, our plan is to isolate defenders (especially full backs) by drawing the midfield forward. It isn't working every time but you can see the plan. Most goals from open play, across the league, come from either defensive errors or from isolating a player and forcing him to pick between 2 bad options.
The goal on Sat their left back either pushed out wide and invited the through ball (which happened) or he tucks in and gives Cash the time and space to get to the line and get the cross in. Later he had the choice to push Bailey inside or down the wing, everyone knows you block the former so he did and Bailey roasted him on the outside and we really should've scored a 2nd. A good team will create moments like that every game and we're starting to get there, we need to be better with the final pass once we've created the opening and we need to take the chances more often but we're definitely on the right track.
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 06, 2023, 02:48:52 PM
Someone else duly stepped up, think it was Mings, and they made a beautiful little triangle and passed it around four Palace players and through the press, putting us on the attack. I nearly came in my pants.
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2023, 03:25:27 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 06, 2023, 03:32:25 PM
It was a poor spectacle if you were after an entertaining game of football. I don't mind, as give me a turgid 1-0 win any time over an entertaining defeat, but while we controlled the game you couldn't really argue we're playing well.
We’re adapting to modern possession football for the first time in what seems like aeons so I’m willing to cut the players/Manager a bit of slack at the moment. During this period we’ll get some good and drudgy stuff in equal measure. But yes Saturday wasn’t eye bleedingly Bruce-esque but it wasn’t flowing Atkinson ball either.
I was about to write “Trust the Process” but realised that would make the worst type of wanker imaginable.
A wanker maybe, but a right wanker at least.
It sounds horrible and cynical but if you watch teams like Man City the first thing they try to do is take control of the game. You often hear about teams winning without getting out of first gear and Saturday was a perfect example of us doing that to a team, it was dull, we weren't at our best but we won and there was nothing lucky about the result. The next thing we need to do is start taking chances like the Watkins and McGinn ones and turning some of these routine wins into 3 or 4 goal beatings where we look like we can score another whenever we want to. I think we'll get there.
Manchester City have top international players who are comfortable and good enough on the ball to play that way, but even they get caught out at times.
You can see what Emery is trying to implement though and the returns have been good so far. I can't say I find it enjoyable to watch at times, but accept that it is a work in progress.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2023, 03:40:31 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 09, 2023, 12:18:49 AM
Having said that, if Ollie takes his big chance, it could have turned into a big win.