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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on February 21, 2023, 11:26:35 AM
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When: Saturday 25 February Kick off 3PM
Venue: Goodison Park, Liverpool
This should be the penultimate fixture at Goodison Park between Everton and Villa. The most often played top division fixture in English football. We usually do well up there and I see no reason why that trend should not continue, Sean or no Sean.
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Time for us to get back to winning ways. Won't be pretty, 1-0 to the Villa.
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I worry about this one. They've got the new manager bounce, we've in the middle of the usual our players are still crap after all not quite so new manager slump. Everton are still pretty rubbish but Dyche has got them organised and we'll need to out battle their midfield three of Doucourre, Onana and Gueye, so for this I'd probably bring Dendoncker in next to Luiz and Kamara, as those two are a bit on the weedy side.
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
McGinn Kamara Dendoncker Luiz Coutinho
Watkins
I think if we stick with the 4-4-2 and just Luiz and Kamara in midfield we'll get overrun and lose, and we know what this lot are like once the rot sets in.
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2-1 to them
We're far too soft at the back.
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Reckon we will have too much for them. We need a result, if only to make this forum happy again. Going for a wild card but 1-4 with Watkins, Duran, Ford Cortina and Little Emi to score for us. Whoever needs a goal to get them scoring again for them.
And sod Dyche and the blue scouse
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I think we'll win.
Off the back of losing to the two best sides in the league I reckon we'll have too much for them.
It won't be easy but I'm going for a nice stress free, run of the mill 3-2 win!
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Reckon we will have too much for them. We need a result, if only to make this forum happy again. Going for a wild card but 1-4 with Watkins, Duran, Ford Cortina and Little Emi to score for us. Whoever needs a goal to get them scoring again for them.
And sod Dyche and the blue scouse
McIniesta wouldn't have it any other way.
McGinn once told Dyche to: “Shut up.”
Dyche said: “You’ve been in the Prem one year and you think your big time now telling me to shut up?”
McGinn replied: “You’ve been in the prem for 6 years and you’re still wearing that
s*** coat, you big p****.”
Apparently Dyche got something in on Ginny first but it came out one sided.
LeeB would say I made it all up though!
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Everton will do what we should be doing - grind out a 1-0 win. Given our defence they might even manage 2.
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Not like you to swear FV, even if quoting third-parties. At least you used asteriks.
This game, like every time we played Dyche's Burnley, will be horrible. They've tightened-up at the back and while they pose bugger-all attacking threat from open-play, they will look to murder us at set-pieces. Given the number of unforced errors at the back we concede and the stupid goals we give away, I'm not feeling optimistic about this.
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Another team needing the points…please step forward Aston Villa, the team that just keeps on giving. 1-0 Everton.
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A tougher assignment than it appeared a few weeks ago but we should still be optimistic. That said, we are playing games strewn with errors and these really need to be reduced on order to pick up the points we think we should.
For Emery, this is a far bigger game than last week in that a positive result is expected. I don't think we'll get the one we want though. I hope the Manager proves me wrong.
1-1
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A win and much needed 3 points for them. 1-0, 2-1 or 2-0 something like that.
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I'm looking forward to going to Goodison Park I can see us winning 2-1.
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The on pitch referee is Anthony Taylor.
Given most yellow cards and most red cards this season yet has form for our players getting kicked. He tries to impose himself on games though not so much Villa ones find him a vastly over rated official.
Certainly, when his mind is elsewhere and he is not focused, he makes mistakes, but he had no excuse for not giving a first-half sending off in the Fulham V Villa playoff final. Even looking back today, it is beyond words. It was unavoidable that they had someone on red for a second booking, but that came second half amd Fulham should have been dowm to 10 first half.
This is the ref who went on his stag do in Marbella just a few days before a Burnley v Swansea game and wrongfully awarded a penalty to Dyche's team in a shocking decision and blunder, as was own Burnley striker who did a handball but gave it as a Swansea player.
Dyche, of course, praised Taylor's performance after the game.
For Villa He hasn't even given us a penalty on us in ten years.
Actually, the most recent penalty 2013! was awarded against Everton. Though Beneteke missed it, it's unclear then if thats a sign or not
(And we lost 2-0 at Villa Park.)
As I say this was the referee for our play off final defeat to Fulham who never sent off Frederick's for the stamp on Jack and never awarded us that late penalty. Had me raging way he was letting fouls go and even as the referee for Emery's first match, a rout of Manchester United at Villa Park! He was making mistakes in that game letting Ramsey and particularly Leon Bailey getting assaulted time and again but there was one in our favour because PGMOL admitted that the referee was wrong to move Manchester United's wall further back, allowing Digne to score a free kick.
Certainly had is mind on the World Cup or something during that game but then maybe he enjoys letting our players getting kicked!
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Please stop going on about signs, it's meaningless.
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We have the team to win this game, hopefully we have the mentality to see it through. Their crowd will be up for it, but we need to quieten them with what has become a customary early goal(s). I’m looking for Ollie to continue his goal form and for Kamara and Emi M who have been guilty of recent mistakes/bad decisions to step it up again. UTV!
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Urgh this’ll be painful. They’re not any good but they’re solid now.
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We will get back to winning ways and we will go on a little run that puts us right back into contention for a European spot. In the end we will likely just miss out but offensively we have played well enough to win 2 of the last 3. We will of course need to be much better defensively but the sides we are facing in the next few games (and I include Chelsea in that) don’t have anything like the attacking threat of Man City or Arsenal, and even Leicester.
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They will target us at corners and if we're bullied aerially, I can kind of live with that far more than the Stevenage/Arsenal equaliser where that awful defending of the near post and a short-corner led to daisy-cutters from the edge of the box nestling in the back of the net. To happen once is piss-poor, to allow it a second time is amateur and a proper bonehead's bank holiday.
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They will target us at corners and if we're bullied aerially, I can kind of live with that far more than the Stevenage/Arsenal equaliser where that awful defending of the near post and a short-corner led to daisy-cutters from the edge of the box nestling in the back of the net. To happen once is piss-poor, to allow it a second time is amateur and a proper bonehead's bank holiday.
I think Calvert-Lewin will be out, so they'll probably use Maupay again. I'd actually prefer Mings and Konsa to be up against DCL, as they tend to handle physical battles better than more nippy, tricksy players.
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Oh that awful little Maupay is a certainty to score
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Sweepstake for the first Handball claim from the crowd. I'll go with 8 minutes.
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Sweepstake for the first Handball claim from the crowd. I'll go with 8 minutes.
Haha so true.
And biggest prize to the correct guess of the minute they make their club safety announcement over the public address system - they insist on it.
Last season was a nasty atmosphere in the Luca Digne derby.
I hope their fans have learnt from last season after the scandalous attack throwing a drinks bottle at Digne and Cash.
Several objects were thrown towards our players one Everton fan arrested after Cash And Digne were struck.
Gerrard actions didn't help the atmosphere for the baying fans of Everton.
And I appeared to be in the minority in my strong disapproval in his staring down and all that with Everton fans. Some of their fans are something else but Emery, a man of greater repute, is far more professional.
And so what are we to expect of Martinez for the game on Saturday;
if he starts, he shouldn't provoke the crowd with any antics, though I'm sure will revel in it.
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I worry about this one. They've got the new manager bounce, we've in the middle of the usual our players are still crap after all not quite so new manager slump. Everton are still pretty rubbish but Dyche has got them organised and we'll need to out battle their midfield three of Doucourre, Onana and Gueye, so for this I'd probably bring Dendoncker in next to Luiz and Kamara, as those two are a bit on the weedy side.
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
McGinn Kamara Dendoncker Luiz Coutinho
Watkins
I think if we stick with the 4-4-2 and just Luiz and Kamara in midfield we'll get overrun and lose, and we know what this lot are like once the rot sets in.
Good shout regarding Dendoncker. If he isn't still on the naughty step since Stevenage it would be good to give him a start and a big plus at set piece time which Dyche will target. I saw these v Liverpool, win the midfield battle and we will win.
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Reckon we will have too much for them. We need a result, if only to make this forum happy again. Going for a wild card but 1-4 with Watkins, Duran, Ford Cortina and Little Emi to score for us. Whoever needs a goal to get them scoring again for them.
And sod Dyche and the blue scouse
McIniesta wouldn't have it any other way.
McGinn once told Dyche to: “Shut up.”
Dyche said: “You’ve been in the Prem one year and you think your big time now telling me to shut up?”
McGinn replied: “You’ve been in the prem for 6 years and you’re still wearing that
s*** coat, you big p****.”
Apparently Dyche got something in on Ginny first but it came out one sided.
LeeB would say I made it all up though!
This is the most played top-flight game of all time, Footy.
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Draw at best, we'll get bullied.
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Reckon we will have too much for them. We need a result, if only to make this forum happy again. Going for a wild card but 1-4 with Watkins, Duran, Ford Cortina and Little Emi to score for us. Whoever needs a goal to get them scoring again for them.
And sod Dyche and the blue scouse
McIniesta wouldn't have it any other way.
McGinn once told Dyche to: “Shut up.”
Dyche said: “You’ve been in the Prem one year and you think your big time now telling me to shut up?”
McGinn replied: “You’ve been in the prem for 6 years and you’re still wearing that
s*** coat, you big p****.”
Apparently Dyche got something in on Ginny first but it came out one sided.
LeeB would say I made it all up though!
This is the most played top-flight game of all time, Footy.
That is an amazing fact!
The game should be way more celebrated than it is. only ever gets a brief mention. Feel it should be a Super Sunday compulsory match for the world to see and the history archives but Sky is more about Prem league. For tradition, everything definitely should be built up for Any Villa Everton just like the way those Liverpool-Manchester United matches get top billing for
For Villa and Everton are the true representation of grand clubs and are the original big clubs of English football.
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Reckon we will have too much for them. We need a result, if only to make this forum happy again. Going for a wild card but 1-4 with Watkins, Duran, Ford Cortina and Little Emi to score for us. Whoever needs a goal to get them scoring again for them.
And sod Dyche and the blue scouse
McIniesta wouldn't have it any other way.
McGinn once told Dyche to: “Shut up.”
Dyche said: “You’ve been in the Prem one year and you think your big time now telling me to shut up?”
McGinn replied: “You’ve been in the prem for 6 years and you’re still wearing that
s*** coat, you big p****.”
Apparently Dyche got something in on Ginny first but it came out one sided.
LeeB would say I made it all up though!
This is the most played top-flight game of all time, Footy.
That is an amazing fact!
The game should be way more celebrated than it is. only ever gets a brief mention. Feel it should be a Super Sunday compulsory match for the world to see and the history archives but Sky is more about Prem league. For tradition, everything definitely should be built up for Any Villa Everton just like the way those Liverpool-Manchester United matches get top billing for
For Villa and Everton are the true representation of grand clubs and are the original big clubs of English football.
as long we get 3 points I don't care about Everton one bit
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2-0.
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Draw at best, we'll get bullied.
We'll get bullied by a shit team that’s spent a fair amount of time in the bottom 3? Get a grip will you!
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2-0.
Or 0-2?
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This will be another tough game, 1-1
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2-4
I feel it in my water. :)
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0 3
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1-1 Everton have just had a couple of wins and will have more confidence than they did have but they don't really offer that much of a threat up top.
Watkins to make it five games on the trot with a goal.
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2-4
I feel it in my water. :)
Would be nice to be on the winning side of that result eh!
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Dyche or not we should win this. We've scored in every game since Christmas including against Man City, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool. True, we're not great against a low block, but I'd back us to score 1 or 2 here.
The main concern against will be set pieces and in particular Tarkowski. But if Mings can control him we should win this.
For the line up I am concerned about our lack of physicality. Teams seem to get away with just throwing our players to the ground and having Moreno, Coutinho and Buendia in together does leave us exposed to bullying. But I think these three probably do give us the maximum creativity against a defensive team, so it'sa conundrum. I suspect we'll start with Bailey with either Cout or Buendia on the bench.
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I really hope Bailey doesn’t start, he’s no use.
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I really hope Bailey doesn’t start, he’s no use.
Yet he's scored 5 goals and 2 assists in 19 starts and 6 sub appearances.
I realise he's not at his best but unfortuantely he's our most productive player after Watkins.
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I worry about this one. They've got the new manager bounce, we've in the middle of the usual our players are still crap after all not quite so new manager slump. Everton are still pretty rubbish but Dyche has got them organised and we'll need to out battle their midfield three of Doucourre, Onana and Gueye, so for this I'd probably bring Dendoncker in next to Luiz and Kamara, as those two are a bit on the weedy side.
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
McGinn Kamara Dendoncker Luiz
Duran
Watkins
Fight Fire with Fire
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I'm not sure Dendonker can be classed as 'fire'
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I'm not sure Dendonker can be classed as 'fire'
He gets a bad rap on here but I think he can be an effective option for us. Especially against the likes of Dycheball. He's ungainly to put it mildly but isn't a bad player. Bit unfortunate that he's competing arguably with our two best players for game time but Kamara isn't in the greatest of form currently either.
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Unchanged for me.
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Can't we loan El Ghazi back for this? He used to love playing against these chumps.
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Under the banner "Aston Villa lose two players to injury" this shocking news from Goodison...
"Aston Villa are set to be without Jed Steer and Diego Carlos for their Premier League fixture against Everton on Saturday, according to injury expert, Ben Dinnery."
I was hoping for a result but with this shocking piece of unexpected news I'm no longer so optimistic.
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If we lose this, it will be doom and negativity galore.
3-0 Villa.
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I think we'll smack 'em. 3-0 to the good.
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Me too.
FTF.
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Under the banner "Aston Villa lose two players to injury" this shocking news from Goodison...
"Aston Villa are set to be without Jed Steer and Diego Carlos for their Premier League fixture against Everton on Saturday, according to injury expert, Ben Dinnery."
I was hoping for a result but with this shocking piece of unexpected news I'm no longer so optimistic.
Wow. Thanks, Ben Dinnery. We are forever in your debt. You certainly are an injury expert.
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Under the banner "Aston Villa lose two players to injury" this shocking news from Goodison...
"Aston Villa are set to be without Jed Steer and Diego Carlos for their Premier League fixture against Everton on Saturday, according to injury expert, Ben Dinnery."
I was hoping for a result but with this shocking piece of unexpected news I'm no longer so optimistic.
I really need to become an injury expert.
INJURY CRISIS AT ASTON VILLA
Aston Villa are to be without TWO KEY PLAYERS against Everton with Ivo Stas and Luc Nillis unlikely to start says injury expert Algy Taylor ....
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Under the banner "Aston Villa lose two players to injury" this shocking news from Goodison...
"Aston Villa are set to be without Jed Steer and Diego Carlos for their Premier League fixture against Everton on Saturday, according to injury expert, Ben Dinnery."
I was hoping for a result but with this shocking piece of unexpected news I'm no longer so optimistic.
I really need to become an injury expert.
INJURY CRISIS AT ASTON VILLA
Aston Villa are to be without TWO KEY PLAYERS against Everton with Ivo Stas and Luc Nillis unlikely to start says injury expert Algy Taylor ....
INJURY CRISIS AT ASTON VILLA
Aston Villa are to be without TWO KEY PLAYERS against Everton with Andy Gray and John Gidman unlikely to start says injury expert Algy Taylor ....
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The last time we went there, those crybabies threw bottles and coins at our players after a goal and Jon Champion blamed Buendia for celebrating in the wrong corner.. I hope they remember that.
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I can’t stand Everton or Dyche and hope they get relegated. 3-0 to us all day long
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I really hope Bailey doesn’t start, he’s no use.
Nearly scored the winner last day out when he came on! I'd prefer someone else to start though.
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It will be the same side as last weekend. That side did more than enough to win the game vs the top side in the league.
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Under the banner "Aston Villa lose two players to injury" this shocking news from Goodison...
"Aston Villa are set to be without Jed Steer and Diego Carlos for their Premier League fixture against Everton on Saturday, according to injury expert, Ben Dinnery."
I was hoping for a result but with this shocking piece of unexpected news I'm no longer so optimistic.
When I first quickly read that, I was about to chastise you for making up a fake injury expert called Bin Dippery.
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I'm not sure Dendonker can be classed as 'fire'
I don’t care who we field do long as we don’t gift Fanta bollocks Everton anything.
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
Exactly, which is why I was about to chastise him before re-reading it.
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If we lose this, it will be doom and negativity galore.
I am as big a fan of Emery as you'll find anywhere, but if we did lost this, that'd be four defeats on the bounce and doom and gloom would be entirely understandable.
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
Indeed
The only thing even remotely as bad is ''The Mighty Reds YNWA'', which I have only ever heard on here, but is also puerile.
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I can’t stand Everton or Dyche and hope they get relegated. 3-0 to us all day long
I can. Everton aren't the enemy. Our clubs have got a lot in common and I'm not sure why some seem to dislike them so much. Obviously I hope we give them a good twatting on Saturday, but there's probably 17 other clubs in the league I'd rather see relegated before them.
Forest before you ask.
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If we lose this, it will be doom and negativity galore.
I am as big a fan of Emery as you'll find anywhere, but if we did lost this, that'd be four defeats on the bounce and doom and gloom would be entirely understandable.
It could well define whether we're looking up or down the table for the rest of the season. 6th to 10th place is still wide open but we've got to be in it to win it. It will be a tough game but we have the players to turn Everton over. Oh, and we haven't lost to them since we were promoted. It's a happy hunting ground for us and I'm expecting another Villa win at Goodison.
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
Indeed
The only thing even remotely as bad is ''The Mighty Reds YNWA'', which I have only ever heard on here, but is also puerile.
Apart from calling Small Heath Small Heath because I'm embarrassed that they're anything to do with Birmingham, I don't see the point in giving nicknames to any clubs.
Not having a go at anyone who does, but seeing 'Spuds', 'Arse' or 'Manure' is about as amusing to me as us being called 'the Vile'.
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
Indeed
The only thing even remotely as bad is ''The Mighty Reds YNWA'', which I have only ever heard on here, but is also puerile.
Apart from calling Small Heath Small Heath because I'm embarrassed that they're anything to do with Birmingham, I don't see the point in giving nicknames to any clubs.
Not having a go at anyone who does, but seeing 'Spuds', 'Arse' or 'Manure' is about as amusing to me as us being called 'the Vile'.
Back in the day VillaTalk used to be the worst for it. Notlob, Evernot, Liverp_lop (sometimes just Pl _op). Hilarious stuff.
Edited to reflect that the word filter is nearly doing its job!
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I meant to say Plop but was defeated by the word filter.
As you said, it is doing its job!
Although is defeated by html tags!
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Under the banner "Aston Villa lose two players to injury" this shocking news from Goodison...
"Aston Villa are set to be without Jed Steer and Diego Carlos for their Premier League fixture against Everton on Saturday, according to injury expert, Ben Dinnery."
I was hoping for a result but with this shocking piece of unexpected news I'm no longer so optimistic.
How do these people consider themselves as journalists?
And how do these so called media outlets consider utter drivel like this as news?
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
Indeed
The only thing even remotely as bad is ''The Mighty Reds YNWA'', which I have only ever heard on here, but is also puerile.
Apart from calling Small Heath Small Heath because I'm embarrassed that they're anything to do with Birmingham, I don't see the point in giving nicknames to any clubs.
Not having a go at anyone who does, but seeing 'Spuds', 'Arse' or 'Manure' is about as amusing to me as us being called 'the Vile'.
Back in the day VillaTalk used to be the worst for it. Notlob, Evernot, Liverp_lop (sometimes just Pl _op). Hilarious stuff.
Edited to reflect that the word filter is nearly doing its job!
Back in the day there used to be nicknames galore on here too. I did it, as did many of us. There weren't too many people calling it puerile or, ironically, hilarious. I think we've just moved on, and are phasing it out naturally.
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Not quite quickly enough. I read 'bin dippers' on here several times a week.
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Back in the day VillaTalk used to be the worst for it. Notlob, Evernot, Liverp_lop (sometimes just Pl _op). Hilarious stuff.
Edited to reflect that the word filter is nearly doing its job!
You are far too young and totally unqualified to use the phrase “back in the day”.
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I'm not sure Dendonker can be classed as 'fire'
He’s more of a smoke detector with expired batteries.
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Back in the day VillaTalk used to be the worst for it. Notlob, Evernot, Liverp_lop (sometimes just Pl _op). Hilarious stuff.
Edited to reflect that the word filter is nearly doing its job!
You are far too young and totally unqualified to use the phrase “back in the day”.
I'm 45! As an English Literature graduate, though, I will concede that I'm totally unqualified for anything.
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Back in the day there used to be nicknames galore on here too. I did it, as did many of us. There weren't too many people calling it puerile or, ironically, hilarious. I think we've just moved on, and are phasing it out naturally.
It doesn't appear to have reached the politics threads yet.
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The phrase 'bin dipper' is about as funny as the famous Scouse sense of humour.
Indeed
The only thing even remotely as bad is ''The Mighty Reds YNWA'', which I have only ever heard on here, but is also puerile.
Apart from calling Small Heath Small Heath because I'm embarrassed that they're anything to do with Birmingham, I don't see the point in giving nicknames to any clubs.
Not having a go at anyone who does, but seeing 'Spuds', 'Arse' or 'Manure' is about as amusing to me as us being called 'the Vile'.
Back in the day VillaTalk used to be the worst for it. Notlob, Evernot, Liverp_lop (sometimes just Pl _op). Hilarious stuff.
Edited to reflect that the word filter is nearly doing its job!
Ah yes, Notlob was an exceptionally pointless one.
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Everton have beaten both Arsenal & Leeds 1-0 at home recently. This will be tough, a draw at best.
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Not quite quickly enough. I read 'bin dippers' on here several times a week.
Indeed, i will admit as a 12 year old in the mid 80s standing at the back of the holte i joined in and sang that ‘in the Liverpool slums’ song, not understanding what i was singing. The idea that grown adults can sing that song now or use the bin dipper phrase on here, the mind boggles to be honest with you, i find it really offensive.
Anyway, in terms of the game, a cliche but we need a good start and to not let them build up a head of steam, i wouldn’t play both Coutinho and Beundia for this and wouldn’t start with Bailey either.
Think i would go with
Matinez
Cash. Konsa. Mings. Moreno
Luiz. Kamara
McGinn. Ramsey
Coutinho
Watkins
3-1 Villa, Watkins and Coutinhio for us, they get a goal back to make it nervy, but Duran coming on to tie it up late on.
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Fancy Everton for this. Dyche will get their bunch of giant thugs smashing into us and the ref will let them get away with everything.
We're a better team than them, but it won't be a proper football match.
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Everton are shite at scoring goals, so an edgy 0-1 to Villa for me. Bailey with the goal.
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Everton have beaten both Arsenal & Leeds 1-0 at home recently. This will be tough, a draw at best.
I think a glance at the League table will tell you that a lot of teams have beaten Leeds.
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Back in the day VillaTalk used to be the worst for it. Notlob, Evernot, Liverp_lop (sometimes just Pl _op). Hilarious stuff.
Edited to reflect that the word filter is nearly doing its job!
You are far too young and totally unqualified to use the phrase “back in the day”.
I'm 45! As an English Literature graduate, though, I will concede that I'm totally unqualified for anything.
45? A mere child you are in footy fan parlance. Everything that has happened or more appropriately not happened to Villa in your lifetime is a short passing phase in my mind :D
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Hopefully they’ll have taken note of Emery’s criticism last week and we’ll see a more disciplined all round performance. If so we’ll win.
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Going 1-1, so at least we will stop the losing run, then next month we have, on paper, 3 very winnable games.
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Going 1-1, so at least we will stop the losing run, then next month we have, on paper, 3 very winnable games.
I certainly categorize this as a very winnable game.
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Everton beat an Arsenal team that had every cliche available with a new manager in their favour and won with one scruffy goal
Leeds are utter shit (as the league table shows) and run around a lot but not much else - Everton beat them with a very fortunate shot / cross flukey goal
We will have to endure the expected arial bombardment but we should be tactically, skillfully and good enough for these - we just need to be man enough to stand the rough and tumble.
I know we have basically the same players that have seen off the 2 previous Managers but if we feebly lose on Saturday questions of Emery will be raised and quite justifiably
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
If we lose to Everton, things are going to turn sour quite quickly I think. Two teams in Palace and West Ham after that who we don't have the best records against, either.
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
If we lose to Everton, things are going to turn sour quite quickly I think. Two teams in Palace and West Ham after that who we don't have the best records against, either.
I can't bear the thought of losing to Everton, but I think we will.
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
If we lose to Everton, things are going to turn sour quite quickly I think. Two teams in Palace and West Ham after that who we don't have the best records against, either.
I can't bear the thought of losing to Everton, but I think we will.
we are the perfect fare for a team in Everton’s situation with a new manager, a couple of wins and a home game against a team that has lost 3 and conceded 11.
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I fancy us for this, as I think Emery will not tolerate another defeat - and will be doubling down on this.
He was clearly pissed off after the last game and I think the players will respond.
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Expect a strong performance against Everton, with a few changes to the starting lineup.
I suspect some players are unable to carry out Emery's instructions, and it is simply too much for them to handle for 90 minutes.
As work is still in process, attitude and willingness is crucial. What Emery has picked for his 11 to play Everton will be extremely telling after last week because there will be intense training and preparation, so the ones who can concentrate, follow the details and understand from the errors of last week will be the best to start.
Watkins has really shown the way and clearly knows the brief.
It's why he has been scoring goals.
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No matter what our lineup is on Saturday, I just hope we can play for the 90 minutes and not just 45
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
If we lose to Everton, things are going to turn sour quite quickly I think. Two teams in Palace and West Ham after that who we don't have the best records against, either.
It’s not “must” win, but it’s definitely a “we really need to stop the fucking rot” type game. We could really do with a win, but it’s going to be tough. Everton are no good, but they’re a pain in the arse now instead of being pathetically weak.
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
If we lose to Everton, things are going to turn sour quite quickly I think. Two teams in Palace and West Ham after that who we don't have the best records against, either.
It’s not “must” win, but it’s definitely a “we really need to stop the fucking rot” type game. We could really do with a win, but it’s going to be tough. Everton are no good, but they’re a pain in the arse now instead of being pathetically weak.
No souring for me. If we do lose, I'll be pissed off at boosting Everton's survival chances rather than losing faith in Emery and what he's trying to do.
However we're currently 40/1 to be relegated, the same odds as we are to finish top 6. The result on Saturday may give a good indication as to how the rest of the season shapes up.
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I think we will lose and questions may be asked of Emery but y'know, we do gotta, like trust the process, remember?
If we lose to Everton, things are going to turn sour quite quickly I think. Two teams in Palace and West Ham after that who we don't have the best records against, either.
It’s not “must” win, but it’s definitely a “we really need to stop the fucking rot” type game. We could really do with a win, but it’s going to be tough. Everton are no good, but they’re a pain in the arse now instead of being pathetically weak.
No souring for me. If we do lose, I'll be pissed off at boosting Everton's survival chances rather than losing faith in Emery and what he's trying to do.
However we're currently 40/1 to be relegated, the same odds as we are to finish top 6. The result on Saturday may give a good indication as to how the rest of the season shapes up.
Agree with this. If we do lose and there is a souring towards Emery it says more about us. Unlike Gerrard i think its clear what Emery is trying to do.
Footy, makes some good points about Saturdays line up being telling, but i think Emery’s hands are tied at the moment with some areas of the pitch, in particular Konsa’s struggles with the passing out from the back.
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Yeah, I don't think anybody is seriously questioning Emery.
Gerrard had good will after a positive start and despite a poor end to the season, we gave him the summer, and rightly so. I can only speak from my perspective, but I didn't think he'd start this season so badly.
Emery has a much greater pedigree, but finishing bottom half would be a disappointment. Not so disappointing that I'd begin to question him, but we really need to be finishing top half at the very least every season.
Lots of posters are referencing Brighton, Fulham, Brentford, but let's be realistic, they're just the latest in the tradition of: Burnley, Sheff Utd, Watford, Norwich, Swansea, West Brom, Bournemouth, Hull, Reading, Stoke, Small Heath, Wigan, Bolton, Charlton.
All teams who have outperformed us for a couple of seasons and fallen back. Brighton, Fulham & Brentford will do likewise.
All I expect is that we finish consistently in line with out transfer expenditure & wage bill. If that is only top 10, so be it, but if Etihad FC can expect league trophies on the basis of their obscene investment, I expect us to be ever-presents in the top half of the PL.
That's what we're paying for, and that's what we should be getting.
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Yeah, I don't think anybody is seriously questioning Emery.
Gerrard had good will after a positive start and despite a poor end to the season, we gave him the summer, and rightly so. I can only speak from my perspective, but I didn't think he'd start this season so badly.
Emery has a much greater pedigree, but finishing bottom half would be a disappointment. Not so disappointing that I'd begin to question him, but we really need to be finishing top half at the very least every season.
Lots of posters are referencing Brighton, Fulham, Brentford, but let's be realistic, they're just the latest in the tradition of: Burnley, Sheff Utd, Watford, Norwich, Swansea, West Brom, Bournemouth, Hull, Reading, Stoke, Small Heath, Wigan, Bolton, Charlton.
All teams who have outperformed us for a couple of seasons and fallen back. Brighton, Fulham & Brentford will do likewise.
All I expect is that we finish consistently in line with out transfer expenditure & wage bill. If that is only top 10, so be it, but if Etihad FC can expect league trophies on the basis of their obscene investment, I expect us to be ever-presents in the top half of the PL.
That's what we're paying for, and that's what we should be getting.
I think thats a good assessment Rory. I like to give managers time and wasn’t one of those calling for Gerard’s head early, but it was pretty clear as early as Palace away that the unravelling that had started after the Leeds away win, was never going to end under him.
When Emery was appointed i thought biggest appointment since BFR, but thinking about it, i don’t think we’ve ever appointed a manager with his track record, not in my lifetime anyway. He has to have time, but your right a below top half finish will be disappointing.
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I think things going sour is massively over the top.
Nobody is about to turn on him after a run of bad results that includes the two best teams in the country.
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I think things going sour is massively over the top.
Nobody is about to turn on him after a run of bad results that includes the two best teams in the country.
Not turning sour as turning against Emery, just this bunch of players unable to get out of a slump when things start going badly. We saw it with Smith, we saw it with Gerrard, and we're now not far off seeing it with Emery. Obviously all Emery can do is see what he can get out of them for the rest of the season, but it's looking like we might get sucked back into the relegation battle if they don't pull their socks up quickly.
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I think things going sour is massively over the top.
Nobody is about to turn on him after a run of bad results that includes the two best teams in the country.
Not turning sour as turning against Emery, just this bunch of players unable to get out of a slump when things start going badly. We saw it with Smith, we saw it with Gerrard, and we're now not far off seeing it with Emery. Obviously all Emery can do is see what he can get out of them for the rest of the season, but it's looking like we might get sucked back into the relegation battle if they don't pull their socks up quickly.
It seems highly unlikely that we’ll be in a relegation fight, it needs 7 clubs all to improve at the same time over 15 games regardless of what we do. We’ve lost 3 games but 2 of them were against the best two clubs in the country which distorts things and helps create the narrative of a club in trouble.
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I said before the Leicester game that we needed something from that match, or in three games time our form would look very different, and the fans might start getting restless. Unfortunatley, we didn't, and they have.
Playing the top two in the league on consecutive weekends hasn't helped matters, and kind of distorts our current run of form, but it is becoming increasingly important to get that "feel-good" factor back again. We are more than capable of beating our next four opponents, who are all below us in the league, but 12 points from four games is probably asking for a bit too much (prove me wrong, Villa, please). We probably need 9 from 12 to keep our rapidly vanishing European dream alive, but I'd take 7 points from the next four if we see signs of improvement in the performances at the same time. It would be great to get the first three of those points against Everton, but with their new manager bounce, it's probably the toughest game in this mini run of fixtures.
If we lose, I fear for what this place will be like. I'm going 2-2.
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I think things going sour is massively over the top.
Nobody is about to turn on him after a run of bad results that includes the two best teams in the country.
Yep. Although there’s a difference between fans turning sour and fans asking valid questions about how we lost the last 3 games on the bounce, conceding a bag full of goals in the process, and despite taking the lead in 2 of them.
But I think we’ll win tomorrow anyway.
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If we lose, I fear for what this place will be like
Probably pretty grumpy, but I'd imagine it wouldn't break the top hundred forum meltdowns we've had following a bad result.
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The players really shouldn't be chucking the end of season in.
We have loads of winnable matches left. Win 7/8 and we'll be in top half for sure.
Even win on Saturday and we'll be 4 points off Brighton who've been 6th recently.
Dosen't really say much for them if we have similar end to last season when we won 2 of our last 11 games.
Think Emery had it right after Stevenage when he said a few of them didn't seem to have the ambition and are stuck in their comfort zone. Last 15 matches they should be really showing they want to still be here next season under a multiple trophy winning manager.
If we play to our best we'll win tomorrow and also beat Palace and Bournemouth at home so up to them.
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Four points from this and Palace at home and all will be fine again.
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I think we'll just edge this one 1-2
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Four points from this and Palace at home and all will be fine again.
We'll get 6.
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Had a look on their forum, way too cocky for a team that's won twice in about 6 months. 4-1 to us.
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I think an absolute rout is in order. Lots of possession, goals from Digne and Coutinho just to rub salt in their wounds, Watkins to continue his run and one from McGinn to do a shitty coat celebration after.
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I think an absolute rout is in order. Lots of possession, goals from Digne and Coutinho just to rub salt in their wounds, Watkins to continue his run and one from McGinn to do a shitty coat celebration after.
Coutinho is injured though, according to the chap on here who correctly informed us that Ramsey was injured before it was generally known.
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I think an absolute rout is in order. Lots of possession, goals from Digne and Coutinho just to rub salt in their wounds, Watkins to continue his run and one from McGinn to do a shitty coat celebration after.
Coutinho is injured though, according to the chap on here who correctly informed us that Ramsey was injured before it was generally known.
Even better for him to come on and score then, hopping on one leg....
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I think an absolute rout is in order. Lots of possession, goals from Digne and Coutinho just to rub salt in their wounds, Watkins to continue his run and one from McGinn to do a shitty coat celebration after.
Coutinho is injured though, according to the chap on here who correctly informed us that Ramsey was injured before it was generally known.
Even better for him to come on and score then, hopping on one leg....
Daniel from Karate Kid style...
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Had a look on their forum, way too cocky for a team that's won twice in about 6 months. 4-1 to us.
Don't they fear us?
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A winner at the death with lots of running down the line while cupping ears please!
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A winner at the death with lots of running down the line while cupping ears please!
But this will only lead to the home faithful throwing 10p coins and bottles of Tango filled with piss at our heroes.
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Even if we win, they deserve it after bottling it against Arsenal. ;-)
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A winner at the death with lots of running down the line while cupping ears please!
Preferably with Ashley Young making it 3-2 to us.
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My first away match in literally years! 0-4 away win. Thanks.
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In an exclusive interview for Football Focus tomorrow, apparently Dyche comes out as a fan of Kasabian, US, house music and rave. Second summer of love, illegal events under the M25 etc.
Maybe he and Unai can get loved-up on pills together in Liverpool tomorrow night after a 3-3 thriller!
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I think an absolute rout is in order. Lots of possession, goals from Digne and Coutinho just to rub salt in their wounds, Watkins to continue his run and one from McGinn to do a shitty coat celebration after.
Coutinho is injured though, according to the chap on here who correctly informed us that Ramsey was injured before it was generally known.
That’s a shame, he’s been looking pretty good in his few cameos and done well last week.
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0-1 them.
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A nice and comfortable 2-0 win for us.
To top it off McGinn bagging one then taking the piss out of Dyche.
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In an exclusive interview for Football Focus tomorrow, apparently Dyche comes out as a fan of Kasabian, US, house music and rave. Second summer of love, illegal events under the M25 etc.
Great news, the Football Focus hex should mean a comfortable win for us.
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A nice and comfortable 2-0 win for us.
To top it off McGinn bagging one then taking the piss out of Dyche.
McGinn smashing one in, legging it to the away end, where he's handed a shit coat to wear. It's the Deano/Dalian/umbrella moment for the ages.
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No faith in us tomorrow unfortunately. 3 games. 11 goals conceded. We will do our best to help Everton escape relegation.
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Kasabian????
Fucking, Jesus, Mary and Joseph and all the Holy fucking Saints!!
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Imagine liking Kasabian.
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And also being employed by Everton.
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No faith in us tomorrow unfortunately. 3 games. 11 goals conceded. We will do our best to help Everton escape relegation.
Im just impressed we didnt loan them any of our players to help the survive like we did to Newcastle
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Imagine liking Kasabian.
My daughter's best friend's dad is the cousin of one of them (not the one who's a massive twat to his wife). Had a coffee with him yesterday and had to pretend to like them. They're fucking dreadful, music for people who think Oasis are a bit too high brow.
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Imagine liking Kasabian.
My daughter's best friend's dad is the cousin of one of them (not the one who's a massive twat to his wife). Had a coffee with him yesterday and had to pretend to like them. They're fucking dreadful, music for people who think Oasis are a bit too high brow.
Correct.
I don't mind the Stone Roses, but imagine being a band that sees them as Year Zero. No jazz, no blues, no soul, no R&B, no hip-hop, no Beatles, no Stones, no Smiths, no Leftfield, no Stormzy. Just an overrated album from 1989 that was basically plagiarising Simon & Garfunkel if they'd taken a pill. Tragic, tragic stuff.
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There are a large number of things that make me feel ashamed to be from Leicester.
Kasabian are well up there.
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You guys are mad, Kasabian are so great they're almost as good as RHCP.
(One for Paddy there.)
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I started to type that I liked Kasabian back in the day, and then realised I was thinking of the Kaiser Chiefs.
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I started to type that I liked Kasabian back in the day, and then realised I was thinking of the Kaiser Chiefs.
That's a bit like tossing up between U2 and RHCP to be honest.
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There are a large number of things that make me feel ashamed to be from Leicester.
Is the main thing 'Leicester'?
;)
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Deadpan doesn't really work in the written form.
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In an exclusive interview for Football Focus tomorrow, apparently Dyche comes out as a fan of Kasabian, US, house music and rave. Second summer of love, illegal events under the M25 etc.
Maybe he and Unai can get loved-up on pills together in Liverpool tomorrow night after a 3-3 thriller!
There was an autocorrect there, it was meant to say U2, not US. Just to make it worse...
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In an exclusive interview for Football Focus tomorrow, apparently Dyche comes out as a fan of Kasabian, US, house music and rave. Second summer of love, illegal events under the M25 etc.
Maybe he and Unai can get loved-up on pills together in Liverpool tomorrow night after a 3-3 thriller!
There was an autocorrect there, it was meant to say U2, not US. Just to make it worse...
Deano's favourite band...
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There are a large number of things that make me feel ashamed to be from Leicester.
Is the main thing 'Leicester'?
;)
Pretty much mate, yes! :D
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I don't mind Leicester. Don't like the football club or their fans, but I've found it an honest enough city.
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You guys are mad, Kasabian are so great they're almost as good as RHCP.
(One for Paddy there.)
I don't even know whether you're joking anymore. That's how let down I feel over the last few months. The fucking Chilli Peppers, Rory! It's unconscionable. It really is.
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You guys are mad, Kasabian are so great they're almost as good as RHCP.
(One for Paddy there.)
I don't even know whether you're joking anymore. That's how let down I feel over the last few months. The fucking Chilli Peppers, Rory! It's unconscionable. It really is.
It's a difficult thing to acknowledge that the Chili's are the best band America ever produced, U2 are the best band Ireland ever produced, and Kasabian are the best band the UK has ever produced.
But that's the reality you're going to have to deal with 😉
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I think there are multiple people posting from the 'Rory' account.
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You're talking not what makes sense, maestro. I was right, and you will admire that one day.
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I started to type that I liked Kasabian back in the day, and then realised I was thinking of the Kaiser Chiefs.
That's a bit like tossing up between U2 and RHCP to be honest.
Bravo Risso, well said.
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Deadpan doesn't really work in the written form.
Sorry PWS, just read this after responding to Risso. You got me good. Well done.
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Anyway, we will beat these chancers 3-1.
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I don't mind Leicester. Don't like the football club or their fans, but I've found it an honest enough city.
You must have accidentally got it confused with the island version in Australia!
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I can’t stand Everton or Dyche and hope they get relegated. 3-0 to us all day long
I can. Everton aren't the enemy. Our clubs have got a lot in common and I'm not sure why some seem to dislike them so much. Obviously I hope we give them a good twatting on Saturday, but there's probably 17 other clubs in the league I'd rather see relegated before them.
Forest before you ask.
I’m not sure what they’ve got in common with us but I’ve always disliked them. They top my list of clubs I’d like to see go down this season and every season actually.
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I can’t stand Everton or Dyche and hope they get relegated. 3-0 to us all day long
I can. Everton aren't the enemy. Our clubs have got a lot in common and I'm not sure why some seem to dislike them so much. Obviously I hope we give them a good twatting on Saturday, but there's probably 17 other clubs in the league I'd rather see relegated before them.
Forest before you ask.
I’m not sure what they’ve got in common with us but I’ve always disliked them. They top my list of clubs I’d like to see go down this season and every season actually.
Founder members, similar size fanbase, similar honours achieved. Ive also thought there a similar club to us in some ways. Also similar in that they have looked like they are due to go down after a number of poor seasons and being run seemingly badly, like us by 2016. Although Dyche coming in and Leeds, Bournemouth and Southampton doing everything they can to get relegated, may prevent them getting relegated for another season.
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13 Bournemouth Lions by mini bus today. A nervy 1-0 Win.. UTV
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Pickford has just signed a new deal for them. World class performance incoming.
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I can’t stand Everton or Dyche and hope they get relegated. 3-0 to us all day long
I can. Everton aren't the enemy. Our clubs have got a lot in common and I'm not sure why some seem to dislike them so much. Obviously I hope we give them a good twatting on Saturday, but there's probably 17 other clubs in the league I'd rather see relegated before them.
Forest before you ask.
I’m not sure what they’ve got in common with us but I’ve always disliked them. They top my list of clubs I’d like to see go down this season and every season actually.
Founder members, similar size fanbase, similar honours achieved. Ive also thought there a similar club to us in some ways. Also similar in that they have looked like they are due to go down after a number of poor seasons and being run seemingly badly, like us by 2016. Although Dyche coming in and Leeds, Bournemouth and Southampton doing everything they can to get relegated, may prevent them getting relegated for another season.
Hopefully then they’ll emulate us and go down this season.
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Emery said on Everton
"We have to prepare our set pieces because we have to improve as we conceded some goals from set-pieces in the last match against Arsenal.
We are very demanding in how we can improve, especially against Everton who are a threat from set-pieces.”
Yes, one from our own set piece, as we all vividly recall!
Arsenal used the short corner routine repeatedly last week, and we didn't adjust quickly enough. That was aggravating me!
Everton will almost certainly try to offer a different routine on their set plays and Dyche Ball itself and Villa need to be ready.
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13 Bournemouth Lions by mini bus today. A nervy 1-0 Win.. UTV
Hope you have a good day !!
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13 Bournemouth Lions by mini bus today. A nervy 1-0 Win.. UTV
Hope you have a good day !!
Not that I'm superstitious but couldn't you have made it 12 or 14 of you.
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Pickford has just signed a new deal for them. World class performance incoming.
Although Mings signed a new deal before the Arsenal game……
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I used to share a rehearsal studio with kasabian in earl shilton , yes that shit hole , pretentious lot to be fair .in fact I've nicked a Moog pedal off them.
Now you can understand why I hate us losing to Leicester.
Today's score 0-1
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I used to share a rehearsal studio with kasabian in earl shilton , yes that shit hole , pretentious lot to be fair .in fact I've nicked a Moog pedal off them.
Now you can understand why I hate us losing to Leicester.
Today's score 0-1
It's only fair, since they nicked their entire act from The Mission.
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I used to share a rehearsal studio with kasabian in earl shilton , yes that shit hole , pretentious lot to be fair .in fact I've nicked a Moog pedal off them.
Now you can understand why I hate us losing to Leicester.
Today's score 0-1
Haha
Brilliant. I went to school in Desford from 1996-2000 and had the misfortune of going out with a girl from Earl Shilton
Grew up in Barlestone, however and have watched so many Villa games in Hinckley pubs.
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I have pre-Albion game levels of butterflys about this. Too many Evertonian mates, perhaps a mix of the Emery standards ought to be higher too. But I want us to really hammer these today and their meat and two veg Dinosaur football.
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I think the players Dyche has inherited are more suited to his style, than ours currently are to Emery's. I think they'll nick it.
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I have pre-Albion game levels of butterflys about this. Too many Evertonian mates, perhaps a mix of the Emery standards ought to be higher too. But I want us to really hammer these today and their meat and two veg Dinosaur football.
Been lording it over them nicely since 2019 though, 5 wins from 7 games.
It's incredible how our record v them can be so good and yet so abysmal v West Ham in similar period of time considering both clubs have a similar profile in terms of line ups and general league status.
Despite recent results psychologically we should be in good heart for this on the bus to Goodison.
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I think the players Dyche has inherited are more suited to his style, than ours currently are to Emery's. I think they'll nick it.
First goal will be key but they are down the bottom of table for a reason....match them physically and we win.
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I think the players Dyche has inherited are more suited to his style, than ours currently are to Emery's. I think they'll nick it.
First goal will be key but they are down the bottom of table for a reason....match them physically and we win.
Didn’t work out that way with Leicester.
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Or Arsenal
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No Coutinho in the starting line up. Strange as he's in good form right now. Impact sub if needed I suppose...