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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on February 02, 2023, 07:03:21 PM
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I've been thinking for the rest of the season-Who will take the lead in taking penalties now that Ings has departed our premises?
Despite his prior mistakes, Watkins will likely want to accept the challenge and want to be the successor.
McGinn as captain may want it?
Those listed are the most likely candidates, but others include Ashley Young, Luca Digne, and Bertrand Traoré. Perhaps Kamara too?
I think I personally would like Ramsey or Douglas Luiz on them.
And Douglas Luiz probably my 1st choice. Ramsey second.
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Luiz for me too, Footy.
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Bet we don't make it out of page 1 before someone asks "Why doesn't B***y take them ? "
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Martinez!!!!
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Louie Barry
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Ashley Young.
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Emi Martinez
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Young.
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Olsen
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Ashley Young
Kaden Young
Brad Young
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Ronnie O'Sullivan
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I've gone for Douglas Luiz as his set-piece work has improved over the last year or so (well corners anyway).
Whoever they give it to, I hope they realise that crossing their fingers while running up and smashing it very hard isn't the only technique available for a successful outcome.
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Ashley Young
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JJ
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African Car Reverser
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Stan Lynn.
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Steve Staunton
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African Car Reverser
Beat me to it
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I never felt confident in Young on penalties during his first spell with us, I hated the little skip thing he did before hitting them. I think now I'd be alot more confident in him or Luiz.
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jedinak
if not I would give ramsey or luiz a go. Does really matter - we don't tend to win them
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Shaun Teale (Wimbledon penalty shoot out in 1993), Allan Evans - can't recall him missing one.
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Whoever appears best at them in training.
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I've voted Luiz but Ramsey is also a good shout. He's probably the player I would most trust in our team in a one on one, so I'd imagine he'd be decent at pens too.
Also Young would be a good shout whilst he's first choice fullback.
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They all have the skill to put a ball past a keeper from 12 yards so it is more a question of bottle / coolness under pressure
I would go for Kamara
Although i would always want my centre forward to be ripping the ball off the others as they should be hungry for every goal they can get
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Phil King.
"You Beauty!" :D
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I reckon it will be Bailey on the basis he can blather it. Really don't like left footed pen takers though.
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Stan Lynn.
Stan the Wham, if he was playing now, there would be no need to have a poll, imho our best penalty taker, over the last 66 years, also the first full back to score a hat trick in top flight football, it included 2 pens.
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Phil King.
"You Beauty!" :D
That was a great night. I loved the Inter Milan games.
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African Car Reverser
Beat me to it
It was Bert Traore all along!
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Of the 4 seasons back in the Prem the last 2 we currently have 100% record.
Danny Ings : 3 Pens 3 goals.
Season 21/22
4 Pens 4 goals. 100% record.
AEG: 2/2
Danny Ings: 1/1
Watkins 1/1
Season 20/21 6 Pens 5 goals 83% scored record
AEG: 4 Pens 4 Goals
Watkins 1/2 (50%)
Season 19/20 . 3 pens 1 goal
AEG 1/1
Grealish 0/1
Wesley 0/1
For Aston Villa Watkins has taken 3 penalties and scored 2
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Stan Lynn.
Stan the Wham, if he was playing now, there would be no need to have a poll, imho our best penalty taker, over the last 66 years, also the first full back to score a hat trick in top flight football, it included 2 pens.
Shaun Teale (Wimbledon penalty shoot out in 1993), Allan Evans - can't recall him missing one.
The top 5 scorers
Allan Evans and Eric Houghton scored the most penalties for Villa 22
Gareth Barry 18
Gordon Cowans 17
Harry Burrows and Stan Lynn 12
Of the best penalty takers who I expected to score in recent Prem times
Benteke, AEG and Ings all took great pens.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
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You read it here:
Today versus Leicester theres a good chance we'll get a penalty.
And score a Penalty. So chance to see who steps up.
Stats indicate that Watkins should be the one.
He's taken 3 penalties for Villa scored 2.
The official is Darren England.
Now, he has only officiated us once this season, when Villa defeated Brentford 4-0 and awarded us a penalty! Ings took that one.
Overall he had awarded us 5 penalties in 9 games, two in the Championship (Grabban and Adomah) and three in the Premier League. (Watkins x2 and Ings) all scored!
Watkins is 2 from 2 when Darren England awarding Villa pens.
I think it'll be Watkins taking the perhaps inevitable penalty today as hes always scored whenever this official has been in charge.
Up The Villa!!
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There's no such thing as an inevitable penalty, Footy. I hope you're right though.
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Whatever else we say about him his stats are great.
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So I'll write here that Luca Digne is in the starting lineup against Leicester and he can take a good penalty!
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So I'll write here that Luca Digne is in the starting lineup against Leicester and he can take a good penalty!
Really? He has taken 1 (one) penalty in his professional career, in 2013.
I suppose we can assume it was good because he scored it (for Lille in a 5-0 drubbing of Lorient).
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So I'll write here that Luca Digne is in the starting lineup against Leicester and he can take a good penalty!
Really? He has taken 1 (one) penalty in his professional career, in 2013.
I suppose we can assume it was good because he scored it (for Lille in a 5-0 drubbing of Lorient).
My mistake then. He takes a good free kick rather than a pen specialist!
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Once again Watkins proves he's hit the grass ceiling.
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I thought the way we took that penalty on Saturday was sublime.
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Turns out that penalty was evitable then.
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Versus Man City the Referee is Robert Jones.
Unfortunately Villa have never won in the Premier league when he has been in charge. All 4 times have lost. This season it was to Chelsea and Arsenal.
However he has awarded us 2 Penalties from 10 matches. Never given any against us.
Both penalties awarded in championship both scored. (By Tammy Abraham) suggests when he awards us a penalty we'll score!
They have both times been awarded at Villa Park
He was in charge for the epic 4-2 win over Birmingham!
And the epic 5-5 with Forest.
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Antony Taylor hadn't given us a penalty for 10 years!
And when he last did, it was against Everton!
Today, I am awarded one! Watkins stepped up and slammed it down the middle.
Buendía had the ball initially, but Watkins is the man for who is our chosen one!
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Well done for winning the penalty.
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FV did more than Bailey today, start him next game.
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FV did more than Bailey today, start him next game.
PWS you're sounding like a striker with that legendary name. You can go up top.
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You said you were all strikers yesterday, footy.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
Didn't he score in the first ever League Cup final? A while before I was born, but the name sticks in the memory.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
Didn't he score in the first ever League Cup final? A while before I was born, but the name sticks in the memory.
He scored the second only a couple of minutes after O'Neill had got the first.
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I had a look up of Harry Burrows who makes up the top 5 penalty scorer fame
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/harry-burrows
My first hero....that is a long time ago....
One of life's gentlemen. He left the Villa because his wife wanted a job where she didn't have to catch the bus to work. The only one available was less money, he asked us to make up the difference in his wages and we refused so he asked for a transfer. For the sake of £5 a week we lost a player on the verge of the England team..
Even to a very impressionable 10year old it was a great loss.
Didn't he score in the first ever League Cup final? A while before I was born, but the name sticks in the memory.
He scored the second only a couple of minutes after O'Neill had got the first.
Am having a nice glass of wine and reading all about him now, mate.
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Interesting story about Harry there Dave.
He scored a penalty for us in my very first Villa game.
A 3-1 defeat, away at White Hart Lane in, I think, January 1964 and I didn't see it!
We were living in the East End of London and I'd badgered my Dad to take me. He agreed, but unfortunately, he was always a 'leave early to beat the crowds' type. The Villa were 3-nil down when we made our exit which was bad enough but, as we got outside, a muted roar told me that the away side had pulled one back.
60 years on and I never, ever leave a game before the end.
In fact, to emphasise the point, I'm often one of the last people to leave the bloody ground.
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Interesting story about Harry there Dave.
He scored a penalty for us in my very first Villa game.
A 3-1 defeat, away at White Hart Lane in, I think, January 1964 and I didn't see it!
We were living in the East End of London and I'd badgered my Dad to take me. He agreed, but unfortunately, he was always a 'leave early to beat the crowds' type. The Villa were 3-nil down when we made our exit which was bad enough but, as we got outside, a muted roar told me that the away side had pulled one back.
60 years on and I never, ever leave a game before the end.
In fact, to emphasise the point, I'm often one of the last people to leave the bloody ground.
Interestingly one of Spurs scorers that day was Derek Possee one of his 4 goals for the club before he moved on to Millwall then Palace & Orient.
As u can well imagine Jimmy Greaves also netted
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Ha - Of course he did PGW!
It's amazing how clearly I can remember things about my first Villa game all those years ago and then struggle to recall even which games I was at last season.
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Ha - Of course he did PGW!
It's amazing how clearly I can remember things about my first Villa game all those years ago and then struggle to recall even which games I was at last season.
I think it's called the aging process...lol
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Ha - Of course he did PGW!
It's amazing how clearly I can remember things about my first Villa game all those years ago and then struggle to recall even which games I was at last season.
I think it's called the aging process...lol
True dat.
I vividly remember Lew Chatterley scoring a penalty in my first game at VP in late December 1966 against Sunderland. Willie Anderson scored one in my second visit, against Stoke. Won both games 2-1 after conceding the first goal.
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Dave W has told us the story of why Burrows left Villa (mainly due to the crushing ineptitude of the board).
The other half of the story was that in 1973, Stoke were looking to move Harry on. Vic Crowe and Ron Wylie were running Villa then and both had played with Burrows and knew how good he was. Harry was keen to link up with his old team and team-mates, as well as stay in the midlands.
The only problem was that the Stoke boss, Tony Waddington, didn't want Burrows doing well at Villa which might reflect badly on him, so he sold the player to Plymouth instead!!
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Having now seen Watkins had his pen saved in friendly and there had been specific discussions on penalty taking I thought best to bring the talk here for ease of following.
I'd try McGinn or Luiz on pens. Both pretty nailed on starters and good strikers of the ball. Maybe JJ once he's fit if he's holding down his place.
You can see why he wants to take them and why they have let him - a striker gains confidence by scoring goals. Maybe Watkins is the type of character that, more than most, needs the confidence/momentum from a scoring run to be at the top of his game.
Though it has to be getting close to the point where they think about a change or at least a back-up option. UTV.
Equally, he loses confidence when he misses. Down the middle is fine if it goes in. If it doesn't it's a shit pen. Should we get a pen v Newcastle we as fans will think 50/50 chance he'd score, some will think less than that. It should be 80/20 at least.
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Tielemans is the obvious choice, but - as PWS says - you'd expect a pecking order to exist and for it to be adhered to.
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Luiz is now the number one penalty taker clearly.
100% record.
Against West Ham I was sure he would score the pen
Have so much confidence in him when he steps up.
So that's 3 Penalties received this season and that would have been 3 more opportunities for goals for Watkins.
I think it recognised how good Douglas is at pens and as team player despite Watkins ambition to score 20+ goals the responsibility is with Douglas.
It's also pleasing there are no petty squabbles for penalty taking during the match.
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When Dougie takes penalties I'm so sure he will score that I don't even worry he will miss.
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So that's 3 Penalties received this season and that would have been 3 more opportunities for goals for Watkins.
And while I obviously adore Watkins, I'm very confident that those three opportunities would not have been three goals.
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Yes unfortunately I agree on Watkins penalties and credit the coaching staff, Ollie Watkins and the team to basically acknowledge Douglas is the one.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
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Doug’s a brilliant penalty taker, power and precision every time.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Watkins gave the ball to McGinn who carried it around for a bit while the VAR check happened. There was no uncertainty. Just a bit of the old Ashley Young stuff where he'd take the pressure away from the actual penalty taker.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Didn’t they do that thing where one of the other players (McGinn I think) grabs the ball so if there a an extended VAR or gamesmanship from the cat kicker or someone they take it then give the ball to Douglas??
Don’t think there was any discussion on taker
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Yep they’ve been doing that for a while, McGinn takes the ball to deal with all the gamesmanship and bullshit, Dougie stands to one side then when the ref is ready invariably after all the VAR bullshit, McGinn gives him the ball and off we go.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Didn’t they do that thing where one of the other players (McGinn I think) grabs the ball so if there a an extended VAR or gamesmanship from the cat kicker or someone they take it then give the ball to Douglas??
Don’t think there was any discussion on taker
That link to the Pundits panel on post thread seems to indicate Digne seemed to be questioning McGinn for it.
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I now worry more about VAR overruling the decision to award the penalty in the first place than I do Doug missing.
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After the game yesterday when being interviewed on tv, Luiz was asked about the uncertainty amongst the players as to who would be taking the penalty. That's not something I'd picked up when watching.
Didn’t they do that thing where one of the other players (McGinn I think) grabs the ball so if there a an extended VAR or gamesmanship from the cat kicker or someone they take it then give the ball to Douglas??
Don’t think there was any discussion on taker
That link to the Pundits panel on post thread seems to indicate Digne seemed to be questioning McGinn for it.
I magine at this point you'd have to cut Doug's arms off to take the ball off him for penalty duties. I was hoping he was going to get his hat trick with a direct corner and he wasn't far off.
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I never think Doug will miss.
I used to always think Ollie would miss.
For any top level team it's critical to have a secure penalty taker as you'll be getting plenty of them and Doug is showing already with his composure he can have a similar record to Gareth Barry or Milner when they were on penalties for us.
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ElGhazi was excellent. Doug is the only player since who gives me a similar sort of confidence.
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If its not broken, don't tinker with it.
Douglas Luiz has been scoring, so no other choice to me...
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You lot have gone and done it. He’s going to miss the next one now.
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Yeah some people just have It with the penalties. El Ghazi was definitely one of them, and Doug's another. Barry, (in)famously. Le Tissier of course was the best I've ever seen, would bury them with the force and inevitability of Bill Gates burying a microchip deep in your brain.
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If its not broken, don't tinker with it.
Douglas Luiz has been scoring, so no other choice to me...
Yep.