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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave on January 16, 2023, 01:34:07 PM
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Aston Villa can confirm that an agreement has been reached with Chicago Fire for the permanent transfer of 19-year-old striker, Jhon Durán.
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Aston Villa can confirm that an agreement has been reached with Chicago Fire for the permanent transfer of 19-year-old striker, Jhon Durán.
Heres some info on what type of player he is
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/PEJ-23cIrkOFhS_d1DIUog/Show/Who-is-Jhon-Duran-The-Colombian-hotshot-on-Chelsea-and-Liverpools-radar
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I hope his reflexes are good.
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Never heard of him.
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We have reaches an agreement with Chicago Fire for 19 year-old Columbian striker Jhon Durán. 8 goals and 3 assists in the MLS this season. 6 foot tall and with 'pace to burn'.
Never seen him play before, but welcome Jhon!
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Never heard of him.
Same.
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Looks like I was too slow, feel free to merge with the other thread!
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Another Samatta?
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I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
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Never heard of him.
Same.
I put up some info for all from whoscored so we can get an insight to him
The Fire signed the young forward from Colombian outfit Envigado in January 2021, with his contract in Chicago starting 12 months' later. While not a regular starter under Ezra Hendrickson in the 2022 season, Duran didn't allow a lack of consistent time on the pitch to impact his performances as he ended the campaign with eight goals to his name, only two players aged 21 and under - Jesus Ferreira (18) and Gabriel Pereira (9) - could better that return. A goal every 170.4 minutes was actually better than household MLS names Kei Kamara and Carlos Vela in the regular season.
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Interesting one.
Benfica, Yanited and Bayern were also keen, apparently.
Not sure if he's one for the development squad or one who will be coming straight in as a first team option.
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I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
Interesting one.
Benfica, Yanited and Bayern were also keen, apparently.
Not sure if he's one for the development squad or one who will be coming straight in as a first team option.
Whoscored.com
Considering the Fire often lined up with the lone frontman in 2022, Duran more than held his own when it came to leading the charge and bringing others into play, noted in that he has developed a statistically calculated WhoScored style of play of 'likes to do flick ons'. Opponents have also clearly taken to any means necessary to limit Duran's impact in the final third, as noted in that of the 395 players to make 20 or more appearances, he was fouled 3.2 times per 90, the seventh highest in MLS.
Conversely, opponents also know how to wind Duran up with 2.6 fouls per 90 the seventh most in the 2022 MLS campaign, and to reinforce a weakness of 'discipline', the striker did receive five yellow cards and one red last season, so any area that is in need of improvement, but one that will in time and with experience.
For a poor Chicago Fire side that did score just 39 league goals last term, Duran's exploits in front of goal warrant adulation, and links with a high profile Premier League move despite his age isn't a surprise. Duran's career is very much in its infancy, however he has shown plenty of promise with the Fire that suggests he has all the makings of a top quality forward, be it in the Premier League or elsewhere.
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I hope his reflexes are good.
Main concern seems to be his *weakness of discipline but seemingly has all the attributes to be a Premier League striker.
Emery can certainly develop him.
* I imagine I'll be told its a Colombian character to be so hot in temperament
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I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
Perhaps he's one of the wild boys so we're testing the water with a loan?
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There seems to be a real lack of out and out strikers in the market and the established ones that do sell go for big money - look at the Darwin and Isak fees.
I think realistically we won't be replacing Watkins or Ings this window, probably not in the summer either.
It makes a lot of sense to take a few gambles on promising youngsters like this. I know nothing about him, but in principal I'm pleased with the deal.
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Never heard of him but his youtube videos remind me of the stuff we saw of Benteke when he was first linked and no one had any idea who he was.
I hope his reflexes are good.
Main concern seems to be his *weakness of discipline but seemingly has all the attributes to be a Premier League striker.
Emery can certainly develop him.
* I imagine I'll be told its a Colombian character to be so hot in temperament
it was a duran duran joke not an actual concern about the player.
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$18m according to ESPN - https://t.co/09bhxejjLN
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I hope his reflexes are good.
I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
Perhaps he's one of the wild boys so we're testing the water with a loan?
No Más.
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At his age you'd hope he'd be hungry, like I don't know a wolf or something
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I hope his reflexes are good.
Hopefully he won't be a lonely child waiting in Villa Park.
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$18m, rising to $22m according to ESPN.
that's Ł15m-17m
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Conversely, opponents also know how to wind Duran up with 2.6 fouls per 90 the seventh most in the 2022 MLS campaign, and to reinforce a weakness of 'discipline', the striker did receive five yellow cards and one red last season, so any area that is in need of improvement, but one that will in time and with experience.
Sounds like he might become a bit notorious.
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$18 million he must be good, straight into the first team squad - lets hope that he is "easier than a nuclear war"
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Is he the winger he was talking about ?
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He's from Medellin, Colombia; let's hope it's medellin by name and medalling by nature.
Chicago have done really well on this. They paid less than $2m in January last year.
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I hope his reflexes are good.
I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
Perhaps he's one of the wild boys so we're testing the water with a loan?
No Más.
Who elected you El Presidente?!
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goals on film...
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Is he the winger he was talking about ?
I doubt it, he looks like a classic target man to me.
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I think realistically we won't be replacing Watkins or Ings this window, probably not in the summer either.
I agree re this window. But hope we have at least solid competition for them in the summer. Ideally a forward a notch or two above the pair of them, if McGrath is good.
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goals on film...
Haha!
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There seems to be a real lack of out and out strikers in the market and the established ones that do sell go for big money - look at the Darwin and Isak fees.
I think realistically we won't be replacing Watkins or Ings this window, probably not in the summer either.
It makes a lot of sense to take a few gambles on promising youngsters like this. I know nothing about him, but in principal I'm pleased with the deal.
Fits the footballing profile both for Emery and the business model
Has been seen as one of World Footballs young talents and listed in 2020 as one of 60 wonderkids (source the guardian)
2020:
Aged 16 and already a towering 6ft tall, Jhon Jáder has made a habit of being ahead of schedule so far in his fledgling career. A revelation in youth football after the Medellin-born left footer was converted from winger to striker by the Under-15s coach Wilberth Perea, Durán went on to play for the Colombia Under-17s while still 15, before being promoted to the Under-20s national team that is currently preparing for the South American Youth Championships on home soil in 2021. In 2019, he became the second youngest goalscorer in Colombian top-flight history at the tender age of 15 years and 263 days with a goal after nine minutes. Strong, versatile and with a devilish burst of pace, he emerged from the same famed Envigado academy as James Rodríguez and Juan Fernando Quintero, then aged 11. Nephew to an ex-player who is now a football manager, Durán’s development has since been in good hands with several observers comparing his robust style to that of Romelu Lukaku. “Both are similar players, but for me Durán could develop to be even more complete,” coach Perea explains. “At the age of 15 he’d already broken all the limits. He has this strong character to always try risks – a bit like Tino Asprilla would do.”
2021: Became the youngest signing in MLS history when Chicago Fire swooped this year, thus stealing a headstart on several European clubs that had been sniffing around the young striker. “One of the best talents in world football is coming to Chicago,” the Fire tweeted upon announcing the deal. “Jhon is a very special and highly rated young talent,” sporting director Georg Heitz said. Unable to officially join the club until his 18th birthday at the start of next year he’s been progressing nicely as tiny Envigado punch above their weight at the top of the Colombian first division.
2022:Recently called up to the first Colombia squad under new manager Nestor Lorenzo and nicely settling in the MLS where he’s picking up regular minutes for Chicago Fire.
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I just hope he doesn't hit a bum note.
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
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Looks like a wild boy and I will save a prayer for him. Welcome Jhon Jhon.
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I hope he's hungry like the wolf
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goals on film...
He is hungry...
Also. Very good work PfP!
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Most of Duran are Villa anyway, aren't they? Apart from Le Bon of course, he just supports himself.
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villaand colombian footballers are always good at heading
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There seems to be a real lack of out and out strikers in the market and the established ones that do sell go for big money - look at the Darwin and Isak fees.
I think realistically we won't be replacing Watkins or Ings this window, probably not in the summer either.
It makes a lot of sense to take a few gambles on promising youngsters like this. I know nothing about him, but in principal I'm pleased with the deal.
Fits the footballing profile both for Emery and the business model
Has been seen as one of World Footballs young talents and listed in 2020 as one of 60 wonderkids (source the guardian)
2020:
Aged 16 and already a towering 6ft tall, Jhon Jáder has made a habit of being ahead of schedule so far in his fledgling career. A revelation in youth football after the Medellin-born left footer was converted from winger to striker by the Under-15s coach Wilberth Perea, Durán went on to play for the Colombia Under-17s while still 15, before being promoted to the Under-20s national team that is currently preparing for the South American Youth Championships on home soil in 2021. In 2019, he became the second youngest goalscorer in Colombian top-flight history at the tender age of 15 years and 263 days with a goal after nine minutes. Strong, versatile and with a devilish burst of pace, he emerged from the same famed Envigado academy as James Rodríguez and Juan Fernando Quintero, then aged 11. Nephew to an ex-player who is now a football manager, Durán’s development has since been in good hands with several observers comparing his robust style to that of Romelu Lukaku. “Both are similar players, but for me Durán could develop to be even more complete,” coach Perea explains. “At the age of 15 he’d already broken all the limits. He has this strong character to always try risks – a bit like Tino Asprilla would do.”
2021: Became the youngest signing in MLS history when Chicago Fire swooped this year, thus stealing a headstart on several European clubs that had been sniffing around the young striker. “One of the best talents in world football is coming to Chicago,” the Fire tweeted upon announcing the deal. “Jhon is a very special and highly rated young talent,” sporting director Georg Heitz said. Unable to officially join the club until his 18th birthday at the start of next year he’s been progressing nicely as tiny Envigado punch above their weight at the top of the Colombian first division.
2022:Recently called up to the first Colombia squad under new manager Nestor Lorenzo and nicely settling in the MLS where he’s picking up regular minutes for Chicago Fire.
Thanks Footy, sounds like good stuff.
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Not much money in the grand scheme of things these days, but seems a lot for a kid from what is really one of the lesser leagues.
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
Is that right? You learn something new every day
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
Is that right? You learn something new every day
Yes it was on Villa tv.
He also played in MLS .
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Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
I would estimate that there's precisely nobody on here who didn't know that mate.
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According to Wikipedia, he had a massive ball sack.
Welcome Jhon. I've heard he's notorious for his pace.
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I wonder if he's got a view to a kill in front of goal.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
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He looks a unit
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Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
I would estimate that there's precisely nobody on here who didn't know that mate.
Yes when Duran signed JPA quipped
"Don't you forget about me"
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Many defences will come undone as a result of this signing.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
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Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
I would estimate that there's precisely nobody on here who didn't know that mate.
Yes when Duran signed JPA quipped
"Don't you forget about me"
Simple minds and all that.
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
Is that right? You learn something new every day
I loved JPA and did until the legs went, he also made Alice bands acceptable.
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Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
I would estimate that there's precisely nobody on here who didn't know that mate.
Yes when Duran signed JPA quipped
"Don't you forget about me"
Simple minds and all that.
Well they all seem the same to me!
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
Is that right? You learn something new every day
I loved JPA and did until the legs went, he also made Alice bands acceptable.
I was thinking of him a few weeks back as me and my mate Chas used to have a cut out of him as the 'Angel' on the Christmas Tree when we shared a flat by the Norton.
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He's a big lad, not overly tall though and will only continue to improve and get stronger. Easy to forget what a young Heskey looked like but this kid reminds me of him. Not lightning fast but he's quick and strong and can play wide or down the middle. I watched him when they played Toronto and even at his young age not afraid of pushing defenders around. He's a raw talent that might take a bit of time to get up to speed.
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Never heard of him but his youtube videos remind me of the stuff we saw of Benteke when he was first linked and no one had any idea who he was.
I hope his reflexes are good.
Main concern seems to be his *weakness of discipline but seemingly has all the attributes to be a Premier League striker.
Emery can certainly develop him.
* I imagine I'll be told its a Colombian character to be so hot in temperament
it was a duran duran joke not an actual concern about the player.
Ha ha, fooled me as well, whoosh
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Never heard of him, but read he is highly rated & wanted by a host of top clubs in Europe, so will be interesting ti see how he fits in.
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Some of the goalkeeping in that video was majestic.
Apart from the prat in the Wolves goal (or Olsen if we can punt him out on loan), don't think he'll have so many diving early and making his mind up for him.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
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Interesting punt, even if i've never heard of him. At that price as others have said he's likely to be in and around the first team rather than the youths or loaned out.
Anyone know the likelihood of issues with work permit?
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I hope he never stabs us in the back like Delph.
Wouldn't want to see him join the Union of the Snake.
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He's a big lad, not overly tall though and will only continue to improve and get stronger. Easy to forget what a young Heskey looked like but this kid reminds me of him. Not lightning fast but he's quick and strong and can play wide or down the middle. I watched him when they played Toronto and even at his young age not afraid of pushing defenders around. He's a raw talent that might take a bit of time to get up to speed.
The 19 year old Heskey would be a bit special.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
In the MLS.
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We may have just gotten our big, nasty center forward..
Juan Pablo Angel was colombian and he played as a striker for Aston Villa
Is that right? You learn something new every day
I loved JPA and did until the legs went, he also made Alice bands acceptable.
Him and JPA were both born in Medellín the second largest city of Colombia. Both are 6'1
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goals on film...
Not wise to look at Youtube videos to rate a player, but in that video, he looks like a rawer version of Keinan Davis to me.
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He'd better be better than Archer.
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He's a big lad, not overly tall though and will only continue to improve and get stronger. Easy to forget what a young Heskey looked like but this kid reminds me of him. Not lightning fast but he's quick and strong and can play wide or down the middle. I watched him when they played Toronto and even at his young age not afraid of pushing defenders around. He's a raw talent that might take a bit of time to get up to speed.
The 19 year old Heskey would be a bit special.
Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
In the MLS.
A quite brilliant performance in this game.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/video/watch-chicago-fire-fc-come-alive-in-3-1-win-over-inter-miami-cf#watch-chicago-fire-fc-come-alive-in-3-1-win-over-inter-miami-cf
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Never heard of him
Seems cheap so no real risk , could come good. Stats seem very average .
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He's a big lad, not overly tall though and will only continue to improve and get stronger. Easy to forget what a young Heskey looked like but this kid reminds me of him. Not lightning fast but he's quick and strong and can play wide or down the middle. I watched him when they played Toronto and even at his young age not afraid of pushing defenders around. He's a raw talent that might take a bit of time to get up to speed.
The 19 year old Heskey would be a bit special.
Oh yeh, not getting carried away as you're right that is a high bar. But just his physique and pace for his size. This kid can play both sides and down the wings. Against TFC he came on and played down the left. Potential is there so let's see how he does.
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Is he the winger he was talking about ?
He's more of a striker rather than hugging the white lines down the flanks.
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goals on film...
Excellent punnery.
He's a fucking big unit he is and no mistake.
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Never heard of him
Seems cheap so no real risk , could come good. Stats seem very average .
8 goals and 3 assists in the playing time equivalent of 15 games doesn't sound very average to me. Seems highly rated, so happy enough with this.
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A video that hasn't been flipped around & shows his left footedness...
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
In the MLS.
I've seen a few MLS games live and the standard is not as poor as you may think. I would reckon on a par with the Championship at worst, and there are some good players. He's only 19 and already represented the full Colombia team.
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Never heard of him
Seems cheap so no real risk , could come good. Stats seem very average .
8 goals and 3 assists in the playing time equivalent of 15 games doesn't sound very average to me. Seems highly rated, so happy enough with this.
Most people including wiki show stats as per match performed in not by how many minutes?
Overall the stats are average when you take into account it's major league football.
I hope I'm wrong and he is fantastic for us but we have Keinan Davis and Archer
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Never heard of him
Seems cheap so no real risk , could come good. Stats seem very average .
8 goals and 3 assists in the playing time equivalent of 15 games doesn't sound very average to me. Seems highly rated, so happy enough with this.
Most people including wiki show stats as per match performed in no by how many minutes?
Overall the stats are average when you take into account it's major league football.
I hope I'm wrong and he is fantastic for us but we have Keinan Davis and Archer
Speaking of national characteristics Colombian strikers are some of the very best footballers in the air. They have a prepostery in ability of ball heading.
He's also far far high rated in football. Room at Villa for Archer though for sure.
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Never heard of him
Seems cheap so no real risk , could come good. Stats seem very average .
8 goals and 3 assists in the playing time equivalent of 15 games doesn't sound very average to me. Seems highly rated, so happy enough with this.
Most people including wiki show stats as per match performed in no by how many minutes?
Overall the stats are average when you take into account it's major league football.
I hope I'm wrong and he is fantastic for us but we have Keinan Davis and Archer
And what do you reckon Davis's stats would show by comparison?
There's no point even looking at Archer's as the sample size would be too small.
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Has he got bottle, or will it be the case, on a wet Tuesday evening in Stoke, that he only came outside to watch the nightfall with the rain?
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Keinan Davis is also 24, nearly 25...
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Interesting punt, even if i've never heard of him. At that price as others have said he's likely to be in and around the first team rather than the youths or loaned out.
Anyone know the likelihood of issues with work permit?
Shouldn't be an issue, he's played for the full Colombia team, and the fee's pretty big.
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
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Has he got bottle, or will it be the case, on a wet Tuesday evening in Stoke, that he only came outside to watch the nightfall with the rain?
That’s him written off before he’s even kicked a ball for us then🤔
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Never heard of him
Seems cheap so no real risk , could come good. Stats seem very average .
8 goals and 3 assists in the playing time equivalent of 15 games doesn't sound very average to me. Seems highly rated, so happy enough with this.
Most people including wiki show stats as per match performed in not by how many minutes?
Overall the stats are average when you take into account it's major league football.
I hope I'm wrong and he is fantastic for us but we have Keinan Davis and Archer
Surely minutes are more appropriate a metric? If someone is regularly coming on with 5 or 10 minutes to go and you count that as one game, of course the stats are going to look average.
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So good they named him once.
I think that we're in quite a nice position for a signing like this. We are not so desperate that he needs to start immediately and hit the ground running, which would be a lot of pressure for a 19-year-old making a huge step up. The fact that he offers something different to our other strikers, with his physicality, means that we can play him with them, or as a replacement, depending on how Emery wants to set up. If he doesn't start a few games, it doesn't mean that he's been dropped. He's got room to grow here.
Pace and strength aren't everything, but they count for an awful lot. Even if you're having an absolute stinker, you're always in the game if you have these traits. We've been lacking someone like Durán for a long time, and I have no idea what his ceiling is. He could be absolutely anything, which is pretty exciting. We just can't expect too much too soon.
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Interesting punt, even if i've never heard of him. At that price as others have said he's likely to be in and around the first team rather than the youths or loaned out.
Anyone know the likelihood of issues with work permit?
Shouldn't be an issue, he's played for the full Colombia team, and the fee's pretty big.
Ta, I guess the club would have factored that in before bidding, you'd imagine.
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
Possibly next season, but imagine he'll stay around for the rest of this, especially if Watkins is crocked.
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From an account that watches MLS:
'At times the MLS has looked too easy for Durán. His size/mobility are often too much for their defenders. He has decent pace & a powerful shot (which he likes to try from distance). Early days. Need to see how he transitions but he has the tools.
I would expect him to be an impact sub for a good few months (depending on how that goes). He will need time to adjust & improve. And it is important that Villa have a plan for him (minutes). He should suit the way Emery wants Villa to play. Him & Watkins would be a real handful.'
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He's young enough to become the most feared striker on Planet Earth.
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Has he got bottle, or will it be the case, on a wet Tuesday evening in Stoke, that he only came outside to watch the nightfall with the rain?
That’s him written off before he’s even kicked a ball for us then🤔
It's (yet another) Duran Duran reference. The first line of their first ever single 'Planet Earth', which I bought from Virgin Records, Bull Street, on the morning of its release.
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We might have seen him in action last month but Columbia had a very ordinary World Cup qualifying campaign
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
One for now I think. Rather than those other young players we seem to sign and then loan out.
He became the most expensive foreign signing in MLS history when moving to Chicago from Envigado in January 2021 and is higjly rated and coveted he won't be loaned out for me he's got to be part of the first team.
Of course there has to be adaptation but he won't be cut out for championship football he's here to play Premier league!
Impact sub and then first team challenger.
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From an account that watches MLS:
'At times the MLS has looked too easy for Durán. His size/mobility are often too much for their defenders. He has decent pace & a powerful shot (which he likes to try from distance). Early days. Need to see how he transitions but he has the tools.
I would expect him to be an impact sub for a good few months (depending on how that goes). He will need time to adjust & improve. And it is important that Villa have a plan for him (minutes). He should suit the way Emery wants Villa to play. Him & Watkins would be a real handful.'
This is what I just wrote too
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Dong know much about him (nothing in fact). It does feel like the kind of signing that a Porto, Villarreal, Fiorentina would make and then we'd end up buying him for Ł35m next season. Let's hope we've just cut out the middle man.
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Looks to be a beast in the making.
Up front he might be good but on the wing as a....wide boy, he might shinnnnnne!
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Welcome. Be good and ignore the ridiculous negative comments
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I like the fact that he is a number 9.
Enough of these wide strikers who do not want to deal with the physical part of the game and struggle back to goal.
I wonder if he will come straight into the squad.
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See Cloud news completely out of the loop on our transfer business yet again. Long may it continue.
I don’t know anything about this player but glad to see Villa making signings out of the normal markets we tend to operate in. Particularly for young players. Welcome Jhon.
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I like the fact that he is a number 9.
Enough of these wide strikers who do not want to deal with the physical part of the game and struggle back to goal.
I wonder if he will come straight into the squad.
Exactly my thoughts. Also the way he shapes up for the header on one of the goals in the video makes me think he could be a great target man. Big John Carew vibes
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
Possibly next season, but imagine he'll stay around for the rest of this, especially if Watkins is crocked.
And the fact Archer is out on loan
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I hear we're signing his brother as well
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We might have seen him in action last month but Columbia had a very ordinary World Cup qualifying campaign
Was that a B-Side?
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Tony Blackburn made the announcement #oneforthekids
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We might have seen him in action last month but Columbia had a very ordinary World Cup qualifying campaign
Was that a B-Side?
Ah, just got it. I've come undone there.
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Lange or Emery signing?
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Good to see we haven't lost our ability to sign players without anybody having a sniff beforehand.
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Strikes me as a very good deal, providing he gets his clearance through we’ll get half a season with him around our squad for Emery to assess, Archer should get good minutes for Boro and hopefully get them to the play offs and deny Smethwick. Then in the summer either Ings or Watkins gets moved on.
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Lange or Emery signing?
If he's good Emery, bad, Lange.
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Good to see we haven't lost our ability to sign players without anybody having a sniff beforehand.
Yes I like that too.
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Wonder if the lads spoke to JPA about it?
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We might have seen him in action last month but Columbia had a very ordinary World Cup qualifying campaign
Was that a B-Side?
Ah, just got it. I've come undone there.
Good, I was worried for a moment
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
Possibly next season, but imagine he'll stay around for the rest of this, especially if Watkins is crocked.
And the fact Archer is out on loan
True. Under the circumstances he may have to stick around. Chicago Fire fans seem to think he's still raw and will need time.
'Well shit, he was the only hope we had to a decent season. He’s really good for his age but still very raw. Worth the gamble.'
'Kids good but not ready for epl. Strong, fast, and decent technically. Needs probably 2 years of loans and playing time.'
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He'd do more than Ings did up front on Friday night, (pun free zone)
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
Possibly next season, but imagine he'll stay around for the rest of this, especially if Watkins is crocked.
And the fact Archer is out on loan
True. Under the circumstances he may have to stick around. Chicago Fire fans seem to think he's still raw and will need time.
'Well shit, he was the only hope we had to a decent season. He’s really good for his age but still very raw. Worth the gamble.'
'Kids good but not ready for epl. Strong, fast, and decent technically. Needs probably 2 years of loans and playing time.'
I maintain he won't be loaned out.
Emery and Duran first language is Spainish. So he can be developed under Unai in native language.
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Wonder if the lads spoke to JPA about it?
Good point. JPA loves us so he'd have sold the club to him if it needed doing.
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
I think he'll be on the bench and given cameos this season.
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Lange or Emery signing?
If he's good Emery, bad, Lange.
Emery.
Villarreal looked at him before he went to Chicago
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He'd better be better than Archer.
I think he'll be out on loan for a couple of seasons like Archer. He sounds like one for the future.
Possibly next season, but imagine he'll stay around for the rest of this, especially if Watkins is crocked.
And the fact Archer is out on loan
True. Under the circumstances he may have to stick around. Chicago Fire fans seem to think he's still raw and will need time.
'Well shit, he was the only hope we had to a decent season. He’s really good for his age but still very raw. Worth the gamble.'
'Kids good but not ready for epl. Strong, fast, and decent technically. Needs probably 2 years of loans and playing time.'
I maintain he won't be loaned out.
Emery and Duran first language is Spainish. So he can be developed under Unai in native language.
If only Remi Garde had spoken French.
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Remi and Unai different levels.
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If we sign a big #9 then it would not be an Ordinary Day
As for UNited watching him - if you believe the press they are linked with every player i the world to satisfy the column inches looked at by the sad bastards that never go
Whenever i see a name like this i often wonder did his parents misspell his name at the register office and just decided to stay with it ;D
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His stats on BBC say 8 goals in 28 appearances along with 6 assists. Not earth shattering but given his age and adaptation, not bad. MLS is becoming a staging post for highly rated Latin American players, clubs tend to hoover up the majority of decent Argentinians for instance. It’s a risk but every transfer is and I’d like to see us go down this route as there’s some real talent over there.
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I’ve heard the name - this has come out of the blue a bit.
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I’ve heard the name - this has come out of the blue a bit.
Good to see we haven't lost our ability to sign players without anybody having a sniff beforehand.
Not really as it was reported just after Boxing day and before the start of the year the news was it was Villa or Benfica as Liverpool had signed Gakpro. We had spoken with the player and strong vibes he was in talks about coming to us. Brentford and Fulham were keen.
27th December
https://www.football365.com/news/two-london-clubs-make-offers-exciting-centre-forward-prospect
29th December
https://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-seen-biggest-danger-race-sign-young-striker-club-want-e20m/
Anche il Liverpool si sta muovendo in maniera concreta per #Duran, ma l'attuale offerta č inferiore a quella del Benfica. L'insidia maggiore per i portoghesi č rappresentata dall'Aston Villa. I Chicago puntano a incassare 20 milioni di euro. @calciomercatoit
"On Boxing Day, it was made clear that Aston Villa had already made a bid for Jhon Duran, alongside Brentford and Fulham.
Since then, it all went a bit quiet, but the Villans are back in the mix on Thursday, thanks to Italian journalist Raffaele Amato.
Taking to Twitter, he explained the latest on the situation surrounding the 19-year-old, where Benfica are said to be pushing for the signing, before mentioning Aston Villa.
This comes at the same time as Liverpool making a bid for the player, but it’s made clear that Unai Emery’s side are the ‘biggest danger’ to the Portuguese side at this moment in time.
As things stand, Chicago Fire, who bought Duran back in January of this year for a measly €1.7m, are ‘aiming to collect €20m’ from any transfer for their starlet.
He then added that Aston Villa spoke to the player just ‘yesterday’, meaning Wednesday."
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Interesting signing. Hopefully it won't come undone.
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One of the Villa podcasts did a scouting report on him on 28th December. They do quite a few that we don’t end up signing as well though.
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This deal has been 2 weeks or so in the sealing.
la bienvenida !
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We might have seen him in action last month but Columbia had a very ordinary World Cup qualifying campaign
Was that a B-Side?
Ah, just got it. I've Come Undone there.
Good, I was worried for a moment
;)
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Interesting punt, even if i've never heard of him. At that price as others have said he's likely to be in and around the first team rather than the youths or loaned out.
Anyone know the likelihood of issues with work permit?
Shouldn't be an issue, he's played for the full Colombia team, and the fee's pretty big.
I just hope no one tells him that Barbarella's isn't around any more.
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Interesting punt, even if i've never heard of him. At that price as others have said he's likely to be in and around the first team rather than the youths or loaned out.
Anyone know the likelihood of issues with work permit?
Shouldn't be an issue, he's played for the full Colombia team, and the fee's pretty big.
I just hope no one tells him that Barbarella's isn't around any more.
Shame, I was Fonda her.
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is the Villa Vegas thing happening? This would be an ideal signing under that structure. We could park him there for a year or two, then bring him to Villa if he develops as hoped.
If not, I’d imagine he could still have a decent career in the MLS.
A pretty decent insurance policy.
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I wonder will we loan him out to Belgium or Spain. Join Wesley at Levante.
Our entire strikeforce seems a bit unstable in that I wouldn't be surprised if none of them were here next season - Ings, Watkins or Archer.
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Two Chicago Fire fans opinions on the lad...
A physical threat with good pace and work rate, his decision-making can be a little off sometimes and he can be out of position at times whenever he overpresses the opposition's backline or drops back in too deep to receive the ball for link-up play but these are things that will improve with more game time and experience. He's a quality player who's adept at finishing and knows how to use his strength, speed, and size well already at such a young age. I'd prefer to see a full season of him as our starting 9 but honestly, if he can find a move in europe where he'll get enough game time or just get loaned back to us for a season i think that would be great.
Definitely his physical assets and how he uses them are his strong point. Decision-making for sure is one of his shortcomings but that's very common in young players. I wouldn't really say he's a hard worker, not on defense. But when his team has the ball he's eager to get involved. He has the goalscoring hunger and instinct.
I would add that like a true South American though he's incredibly passionate and has that warrior mentality. He gets under the skin of the opposing defenders like a seasoned pro. But he has such a fiery personality that he loses his head and commits unnecessary fouls. Again something he will learn to control as he gets more experience. Also he's a straight up nuisance to play against. I'd hate him if he was on the other team. And I don't like how he flops and overexaggerates but again that's what he does to piss off the opposing team.
As for his future, at a bare minimum he needs another 12 months in Chicago. He's the definition of a raw talent. I think that he's already established himself ahead of Kacper Przybylko, which is really impressive and shows his talent. But he still needs to learn some professionalism and get more experience. Keep his progress going. He's one of the most exciting young players in MLS now and a year from now I could see him being the best in MLS in his age group. But until then it's best for him to stay. Unfortunately I think he might move to Europe before he's ready. I can't see him turning down Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc. if they want to sign him. I wouldn't either if I was in his position.
I guess the most likely situation would be that a big team in Europe signs him and loans him back to Chicago. It wouldn't be a bad arrangement. But I hope they give him the time he needs to develop.
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Fuck I forgot about this goal vs TFC. Bastard.
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1614991748219928576?s=46&t=B9fdd7eHfv7aG5_CUxqNcA
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One of the Villa podcasts did a scouting report on him on 28th December. They do quite a few that we don’t end up signing as well though.
love of paul mcgrath
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In fact there's a podcast on Duran at 4.30 talking to MLS insider on for the love of Paul McGrath
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Fuck I forgot about this goal vs TFC. Bastard.
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1614991748219928576?s=46&t=B9fdd7eHfv7aG5_CUxqNcA
The defending in that league though. Two defenders a yard inside their own half, forty yards apart.
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Lange or Emery signing?
Both, hopefully.
You'd hope Lange's data driven approach complete with budget calculators, ZX Spectrums and the latest GDR technology might have coughed this name up.
He also seems like the sort that would be on Villareal's radar, so Emery might have either agreed with the recommendation or pushed for it.
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Ia it true he is not available until the end of February?
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Fuck I forgot about this goal vs TFC. Bastard.
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1614991748219928576?s=46&t=B9fdd7eHfv7aG5_CUxqNcA
The defending in that league though. Two defenders a yard inside their own half, forty yards apart.
Like playing against the the bottom 10 PL teams then
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He's at the South American U20's with Colombia from the looks of it, so yeah will depend on how he gets on there.
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I'm sure Unai will get a tune out of Duran.
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Fuck I forgot about this goal vs TFC. Bastard.
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1614991748219928576?s=46&t=B9fdd7eHfv7aG5_CUxqNcA
The defending in that league though. Two defenders a yard inside their own half, forty yards apart.
Like playing against the the bottom 10 PL teams then
Leeds anyway
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He's at the South American U20's with Colombia from the looks of it, so yeah will depend on how he gets on there.
Are we sure he's definitely going? He's never played for the under-20s before, he's gone straight from the u-17s to the seniors.
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He's at the South American U20's with Colombia from the looks of it, so yeah will depend on how he gets on there.
I'm sure I just heard he's already made 4 appearances for the senior team.
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Looks like he is in the squad https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kolumbien-u20/startseite/verein/28266 (official announcement in spanish here (https://fcf.com.co/index.php/2023/01/04/convocatoria-seleccion-colombia-masculina-sub-20-para-el-conmebol-sub-20/))
I also saw a tweet suggesting that the medical would happen in south america rather than england, and he wasn't included in Chicago's pre season squad (presumably because the u20s are on the same time).
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Fuck I forgot about this goal vs TFC. Bastard.
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1614991748219928576?s=46&t=B9fdd7eHfv7aG5_CUxqNcA
The defending in that league though. Two defenders a yard inside their own half, forty yards apart.
Like playing against the the bottom 10 PL teams then
Hardly.
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Fuck I forgot about this goal vs TFC. Bastard.
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1614991748219928576?s=46&t=B9fdd7eHfv7aG5_CUxqNcA
The defending in that league though. Two defenders a yard inside their own half, forty yards apart.
Like playing against the the bottom 10 PL teams then
Hardly.
Blimey, someone piss in your cornflakes?
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“Journalist Pipe Sierra revealed that the Villans are spending US$18m (Ł14.75m) up front, plus US$10m (8.2m) on that transfer.
He then came up with another tweet saying Duran had been released from Colombia’s U-20 squad so he could travel to Birmingham this week and have his medicals with Aston Villa.
It turns out that Sierra is now back with a new report, this time saying the striker is not going to England just yet, but that doesn’t mean the transfer is off.
It’s now claimed that even though the Premier League side wanted the player in Birmingham immediately, the national team only agreed for the medicals to take place in Cali.
According to this story, Duran has the permission to be absent from the national team for a few days so he can sign the contract with Aston Villa.
Therefore, it seems he’ll soon be back with the international squad, perhaps delaying a little his presentation at the English club due to international commitments.”
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is the Villa Vegas thing happening? This would be an ideal signing under that structure. We could park him there for a year or two, then bring him to Villa if he develops as hoped.
If not, I’d imagine he could still have a decent career in the MLS.
A pretty decent insurance policy.
The other insurance policy is us having mature Spanish speaking players in the squad who can take him under their wings. A 19 year old Colombian on great wages in a new country, new city, living alone, doesn't speak English, having those mature heads will not only help him settle but keep his feet on the ground.
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I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
Perhaps he's one of the wild boys so we're testing the water with a loan?
We can't know how this will work out so don't say a prayer for him now.
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Regarding him being immediately available or not - please, please tell me now!
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I read it was just a loan, is there something I should know?
Perhaps he's one of the wild boys so we're testing the water with a loan?
We can't know how this will work out so don't say a prayer for him now.
Applause thingy
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Welcome Jhon
From his You tube clips his Got a great first touch let's hope his second is back of the net.
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One of the Villa podcasts did a scouting report on him on 28th December. They do quite a few that we don’t end up signing as well though.
love of paul mcgrath
Indeed. I wasn’t sure how H&V feels about sending people to other content providers.
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Evening all, hope you’ve had a good weekend. Here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Jhon Duran for those interested. The kid is an unbelievable talent and quite easily one of the most talented young forwards in the game. As always, I’d love to hear your thoughts and am happy to answer any questions you may have. I have no doubt he’s going to the very top and fair play to Villa for winning the race to sign him ahead of the likes of Man United, Liverpool, and Benfica.
https://youtu.be/yrDRvZRwmQY
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If you are going to be doing this with every new acquisition, could you just post it in the thread(s) dedicated to them?
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Cheers Footy. Most accommodating.
What's his favourite colour?
Does he have one leg longer than the other or are they both the same within an acceptable margin?
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Enough of these Duran Duran puns. No mas.
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goals on film...
Made me chuckle.....
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Anybody know if he’s likely/guaranteed to get a Visa?
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goals on film...
My first thought was Ian Ormondroyd.
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Having grown up on an unhealthy diet of Championship Manager 3 and 01/02, these types of signings get me excited. He could be the next Marcello Gallardo/Javier Saviola!
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Ł15m now gets you a half decent championship striker.
This lad looks strong.
Worst case? Wesley #2
Best case? Benteke #2
Excited to see how this goes.
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I love signings like this. There's always that "what if he becomes world class" to it. You sign a Digne, Dendoncker etc and you know exactly what you're getting. This though, there's always that possibility.
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I love signings like this. There's always that "what if he becomes world class" to it. You sign a Digne, Dendoncker etc and you know exactly what you're getting. This though, there's always that possibility.
I like this also. Something unpredictable
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And clearly various clubs have been watching him too... A record fee in for Chicago..
Oh and I'm now a Durannie..
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Duran's with Colombia U20s in the U20 Copa America. The comp doesn't start until Friday.
All 10 nations play in two groups of five, and each team plays four matches in a pure round-robin stage. The three top competitors advance to a single final group of six, each team plays five matches. So he could be there for 9 matches, in which case would expect not to see him at BMH for 3, possibly 4 weeks.
Medical being done in Colombia because they won't let him fly to and from Brum.
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If you are going to be doing this with every new acquisition, could you just post it in the thread(s) dedicated to them?
Is it that much of a problem? If it's 3 pages back behind a fuck-ton of puns people won't see it.
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Looks like a strong, direct CF. Interesting.
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Intriguing signing.
Feels a while since we've had a genuine punt on a prospect upfront.
Let's hope he's more Benteke than Cummings or Bowery over the next few seasons.
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Thanks for this post, great to get a bit of knowledge, I've only seen his name recently. Ignore the nay sayers this is a top post that could be merged in time!
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If you are going to be doing this with every new acquisition, could you just post it in the thread(s) dedicated to them?
BOOOOOOOO!
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I like this signing. I like 3 main types of signings
1) Young people I have never heard of but that apparently big clubs are after - aka Wonderkids!
2) Ridiculously expensive players that I have never heard of - they cant be shit can they!
3) Players I have heard of that I really rate. The last time that we did this was properly Mings (and only then cos he was on loan to us)
Anything else - especially involving the word shrewd leaves me cold - even though they are often the most sensible and successful. I also dislike "named" players that we sign but quickly becomes clear that they don't really suit.
Literally, the Villa could sign a 16-year-old player for 50 million and I would be so excited even though I would have no idea if they are any good and would refuse to accept any evidence to the contrary.
So - anyway - Welcome Jhon Duran - I am sure you find the lionel Messi comparisons a bit intimidating but I'm sure you will live up to it. I'm off to the bookies to put a ton on him winning the golden boot this season.
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goals on film...
My first thought was Ian Ormondroyd.
Mine was Tammy Abraham.
How many times will we hear 'good feet for a big man'?
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One of the Villa podcasts did a scouting report on him on 28th December. They do quite a few that we don’t end up signing as well though.
love of paul mcgrath
Indeed. I wasn’t sure how H&V feels about sending people to other content providers.
Should be a H&V podcast, get paulie, risso and kippx on it , guest appearances by others like Toronto and bad English, be enjoyable
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Intriguing signing.
Feels a while since we've had a genuine punt on a prospect upfront.
Let's hope he's more Benteke than Cummings or Bowery over the next few seasons.
I would hope the fee suggests it’s an informed, thought through, signing more than a cheap Bowery like punt. Obviously no guarantee of success, but it sounds like some high profile clubs were looking at him. Also he looks to bring attributes to the squad that we don’t have.
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goals on film...
Marvellous.
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What's John Paul Angel said about it? He still loves us, doesn't he?
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What's John Paul Angel said about it? He still loves us, doesn't he?
He does but Petrov made lots of positive noises about Tonev so have to qualify it too
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I like this signing. I like 3 main types of signings
1) Young people I have never heard of but that apparently big clubs are after - aka Wonderkids!
2) Ridiculously expensive players that I have never heard of - they cant be shit can they!
3) Players I have heard of that I really rate. The last time that we did this was properly Mings (and only then cos he was on loan to us)
Anything else - especially involving the word shrewd leaves me cold - even though they are often the most sensible and successful. I also dislike "named" players that we sign but quickly becomes clear that they don't really suit.
Literally, the Villa could sign a 16-year-old player for 50 million and I would be so excited even though I would have no idea if they are any good and would refuse to accept any evidence to the contrary.
So - anyway - Welcome Jhon Duran - I am sure you find the lionel Messi comparisons a bit intimidating but I'm sure you will live up to it. I'm off to the bookies to put a ton on him winning the golden boot this season.
What a great post and read
An excellent 3 points!
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I love signings like this. There's always that "what if he becomes world class" to it. You sign a Digne, Dendoncker etc and you know exactly what you're getting. This though, there's always that possibility.
I like this also. Something unpredictable
This is an excellent post and sums it up in the feeling excitement of optimism.
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goals on film...
My first thought was Ian Ormondroyd.
Mine was Tammy Abraham.
How many times will we hear 'good feet for a big man'?
Feet of Stone
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He looks a handful and can hold play up and has a good first touch. This will improve us in certain situations. Not necessarily going to start but a decent option from the bench or dare I say it as part of a front 2 in some situations.
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goals on film...
My first thought was Ian Ormondroyd.
Mine was Tammy Abraham.
How many times will we hear 'good feet for a big man'?
Feet of Stone
"Can't trap a bag of cement."
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Welcome young man!
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The other insurance policy is us having mature Spanish speaking players in the squad who can take him under their wings. A 19 year old Colombian on great wages in a new country, new city, living alone, doesn't speak English, having those mature heads will not only help him settle but keep his feet on the ground.
Yes, his chances of settling in the area and being able to concentrate on his football should be so much better than they were for JPA in 2001. Back then there weren’t any other Spanish speakers in the squad (unless Hendrie or Merson had been secretly on Duolingo). Angel was a married 25-year old. Can’t help thinking that the way that the current South American squad members seem to support one another outside of work is exactly what Mr and Mrs Angel needed at the time.
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I love signings like this. There's always that "what if he becomes world class" to it. You sign a Digne, Dendoncker etc and you know exactly what you're getting. This though, there's always that possibility.
I like this also. Something unpredictable
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
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Ł15m now gets you a half decent championship striker.
This lad looks strong.
Worst case? Wesley #2
Best case? Benteke #2
Excited to see how this goes.
That’s pretty much where I am on this. I can’t tell if he’s any good from his highlights on the internet. The quality of football (and especially defending) in both MLS and youth internationals looks questionable at best. I have a feeling that Keinan would rip it up against similar opposition. However, as MLS gradually improves, this pathway is starting to look more realistic. We’ve obviously scouted him thoroughly, and must believe he has a higher ceiling than someone like Keinan.
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Ł15m now gets you a half decent championship striker.
This lad looks strong.
Worst case? Wesley #2
Best case? Benteke #2
Excited to see how this goes.
That’s pretty much where I am on this. I can’t tell if he’s any good from his highlights on the internet. The quality of football (and especially defending) in both MLS and youth internationals looks questionable at best. I have a feeling that Keinan would rip it up against similar opposition. However, as MLS gradually improves, this pathway is starting to look more realistic. We’ve obviously scouted him thoroughly, and must believe he has a higher ceiling than someone like Keinan.
and a better injury record - the poor lad Keinan just can't keep fit.
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It would be a very ordinary world if we made predictable signings.
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This guy was linked to us in the Italian press just after Christmas and I watched the youtubes etc without ever deciding if I thought he was any good - lets hope he is!
Great age, type I have been willing us to go and get. Fingers crossed he is more Benteke than Wesley!
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I love signings like this. There's always that "what if he becomes world class" to it. You sign a Digne, Dendoncker etc and you know exactly what you're getting. This though, there's always that possibility.
I like this also. Something unpredictable
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
Green Day v Duran Duran
It's a tough one. They both have some decent pop songs and they're both a bit embarassing.
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I love signings like this. There's always that "what if he becomes world class" to it. You sign a Digne, Dendoncker etc and you know exactly what you're getting. This though, there's always that possibility.
I like this also. Something unpredictable
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
Green Day v Duran Duran
It's a tough one. They both have some decent pop songs and they're both a bit embarassing.
Aye. We are Taylors. My Dad once took a transatlantic call from a Duran fan girl in the US who’d looked up whichever Taylor fairly randomly in the phone book and called our house asking if we knew them. Bizzarely they did bank with Dad.
Random irrelevance>Puns if you ask me.
No interest in the band myself (or Green Day come to that) but for the record, 83 Mencap benefit gig:
(https://i.ibb.co/3vBVmzZ/074-CA703-D5-EB-41-B9-9807-AE876-B250-C79.webp) (https://ibb.co/3vBVmzZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/H44TSRQ/3205-EC80-983-F-42-E3-86-A4-D22-B74-F6-FA73.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H44TSRQ)
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This is a pretty good compilation of his best stuff
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He looks very left footed to about the same degree as Leon Bailey.
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Jhon Duran Duran,
He's going to be the man
To score again, if he can
Jhon Duran Duran
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Younger left footed Jonathan Kodjia
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he will be a more physical presence than Kodja and Bailey
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Will likely be third choice, so no real pressure on him.
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Different types of players but I'd rather Archer got a run first.
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He's from Medellin, Colombia; let's hope it's medellin by name and medalling by nature.
Chicago have done really well on this. They paid less than $2m in January last year.
I visiting Medellin in a couple of weeks, will ask my customers there about him.
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A few comments on Twitter ( I know , I know ) that he won’t reach the threshold of a work permit ?
Also this
To the tune of John Carew😁:
Jhon Duran Duran,
He’s stronger than Superman,
Try stopping him if you can,
Jhon Duran Duran
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Different types of players but I'd rather Archer got a run first.
It may be down to circumstances, geography, etc, as much as talent, but this guy has been playing first team football since he was 15 and has 3 caps for Columbia.
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A few comments on Twitter ( I know , I know ) that he won’t reach the threshold of a work permit ?
Nah, a quick fag packet calculation and he qualifies easily. Page 625 from here: https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/12/13/af4dc48c-3761-4a15-97b4-b8b6aa4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
You need 15 points to get a 'Governing Body Endorsement' (GBE). Points are awarded based on the quality of the club you've come from, how many games you've played and international games.
Colombia are ranked in the second tier (11-20, they're 17th) and he's played in 3 games out of 9, - 10 points.
Chicago are in a Tier 4 league, so that gets 6 points
He made 14 starts and 13 sub appearances in 34 games, so let's estimate he played 50-59% of available minutes in a Tier 4 league - 2 points
Even if I've got that horribly wrong, there's this exception:
"the Youth Player shows significant potential and is of sufficient quality to enhance the development of the game in England and justify the Exceptions Panel recommending that a GBE be awarded." Well he's 19 and is a full international, went for a large fee and the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Benfica were sniffing around him.
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I don't really know how these transfers work. Would an incoming player be given promises of first team games, or would he be told that he will have to start in the reserves and work his way up.
Assuming he won't want to go out on load, i often wonder with the Chelsea system of signing a promising young player and sending them out on loan immediately, do the players just accept this as they are on bigger wages, is it agreed before they sign?
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There's no way he'd be given guarantees of playing time.
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I imagine we'll see him on the bench in a few weeks and starting to get 15-20 mins from there.
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He reminds me most of Carew if we're talking former Villa strikers. It's difficult to get the big picture from just watching youtube clips but he certainly looks like he can shoot, pass, run with it at his feet, he's big strong and quick and can hold it up. So has all the attributes that you need and is only 19. We all know that it can be very different when he's thrown into the premier league and it's hard to predict how it'll go but i'm quite optimistic with this one.
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Reminds me of the one that got away, Jozy Altidore
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A few comments on Twitter ( I know , I know ) that he won’t reach the threshold of a work permit ?
Nah, a quick fag packet calculation and he qualifies easily. Page 625 from here: https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/12/13/af4dc48c-3761-4a15-97b4-b8b6aa4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
You need 15 points to get a 'Governing Body Endorsement' (GBE). Points are awarded based on the quality of the club you've come from, how many games you've played and international games.
Colombia are ranked in the second tier (11-20, they're 17th) and he's played in 3 games out of 9, - 10 points.
Chicago are in a Tier 4 league, so that gets 6 points
He made 14 starts and 13 sub appearances in 34 games, so let's estimate he played 50-59% of available minutes in a Tier 4 league - 2 points
Even if I've got that horribly wrong, there's this exception:
"the Youth Player shows significant potential and is of sufficient quality to enhance the development of the game in England and justify the Exceptions Panel recommending that a GBE be awarded." Well he's 19 and is a full international, went for a large fee and the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Benfica were sniffing around him.
Oh fair enough. I didn’t know how it worked. Thanks for posting that , quite interesting!
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From some of his youtube highlights, he seems to have to set his feet prior to shooting. I don't think he will be afforded the time to do that in the Premier League. Let's see...
I hope the lad makes it. If not, he will probably end up back in the MLS with the Las Vegas Villains.
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There's no way he'd be given guarantees of playing time.
Well lets hope Aston Villa were given guarantees that he would be eligible for a work permit.
I'd expect Lange and the transfer people at Villa to be 100% sure that Duran is someone who will permitted to work and gain access.
If they haven't done their due diligence then its a gross waste of time and incompetence but lets expect that not to be the case. As that would be amateur and these days Villa run a very well oiled business when it comes to transfer moves.
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There's no way he'd be given guarantees of playing time.
Well lets hope Aston Villa were given guarantees that he would be eligible for a work permit.
I'd expect Lange and the transfer people at Villa to be 100% sure that Duran is someone who will permitted to work and gain access.
If they haven't done their due diligence then its a gross waste of time and incompetence but lets expect that not to be the case. As that would be amateur and these days Villa run a very well oiled business when it comes to transfer moves.
That is quite possibly the biggest most pointless IF on here ever.
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From Transfrmarkt https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jhon-duran-aston-villa-secure-colombian-quot-project-quot-in-a-record-deal-from-chicago-fire/view/news/416556
Jhon Durán: Aston Villa secure Colombian "project" in a record deal from Chicago Fire
It is a transfer out of nowhere. On Monday, Aston Villa announced that they had reached an agreement with Major League Soccer club Chicago Fire to sign Colombian forward Jhon Durán in a deal worth up to $22 million (€20.34m). Chicago will receive €16.36m up front with close to another €4m paid in add-ons. The transfer is still pending on Aston Villa reaching an agreement with the player and Durán passing his medical, and both are understood to be a formality.
Once completed, the fee without add-ons will make the Colombian the second most expensive outgoing transfer in MLS history, just behind Miguel Almirón. The Paraguayan joined Newcastle United in a deal worth €24m in the 2018/19 season. Durán’s deal with add-ons could reach the same volume as the Alphonso Davies deal. The Canadian star joined Bayern Munich for an initial €13m in 2018/19 in a deal that could reach around €18m once he has hit all bonuses—one of those bonus payments was triggered when Bayern won the Champions League in 2020.
But Durán, once he has signed for Aston Villa, will not only write MLS history. Durán will also become the most expensive Colombian teenager in history ahead of a certain James Rodríguez, who joined Porto for €7.35m from Argentine side Banfield in the 2010/11 season. Durán has more than doubled that deal (overview).
Jhon Durán: Chicago Fire earn almost 10-times fee paid 12 months ago
Furthermore, the deal is almost ten times the price that the Chicago Fire paid to Envigado 12 months ago. The MLS club signed the Colombian power forward for just €1.7m. In retrospect a steal. But despite being still a raw talent, Durán’s enourmous potential was visible throughout the season. The striker scored eight goals and five assists in 27 MLS games for a club that often struggled throughout the 2022 season.
“Durán is among the top talents born in 2003,” Transfermarkt’s Data Administrator North America Dominic Becker said. “In 2020, he was part of the Guardian’s Next Generation list, which further underlined his standings. He is very mature despite being just 19 and is very efficient in front of the goal. Towards the end of his time in Chicago, he was directly involved in a goal in every second game. The Premier League might be a good match for his physical attributes.”
There is no doubt that Durán is a very direct player. But he is also a project who, despite his improved numbers towards the end of the 2022 season, still heavily relies on his left foot, which he used to score five of his eight goals. There are also still some tactical concerns when it comes to the player, and his underlying Goalimpact numbers (more on that here) further show that Durán is still a project.
With a current Goalimpact of just 89.3, Durán still ranks significantly below the top-four league average. What is interesting in the chart, however, is his peak Goalimpact, which is currently projected at 131.7 and would rank him as a top player in any of Europe’s top leagues. That number, in particular, is what will have made the Colombian, whose numbers are backed by a small sample size, attractive to Villa.
Jhon Durán's Goalimpact number reveals that the 19-year-old is still a project
Durán to Aston Villa: A project for Unai Emery
Further data shows that the 19-year-old is still a project with a potentially huge upside. Durán still needs to become more clinical as only 39.44% of his shots last season hit the target—in comparison, Villa’s current two center-forwards, Ollie Watkins (55.56%) and Danny Ings (53.33%) were more effective in that regard this season.
In fact, the comparison on Wyscout between Durán and Villa’s other two center-forwards is interesting. Although it is tricky to compare MLS numbers with Premier League numbers, there are some indications why Villa boss Unai Emery has gone after the Colombian. Durán leads Watkins (3.66) and Ings (3.64) with 3.71 touches in the box per 90 minutes. Also, while less accurate, Durán has fired more shots on goal this season (3.6 per 90) than Ings (2.37) and Watkins (1.83).
Most importantly, Durán is doing all that as a 19-year-old. It was for that reason that Benfica and Eintracht Frankfurt were interested in the striker. Both clubs were hopeful of swooping in and getting a deal done below the usual Premier League prices. Hope that has been crushed by Villa’s American ownership seems to have gone straight to the source to secure one of Colombia’s brightest talents.
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Reminds me of the one that got away, Jozy Altidore
Too soon, mate, too soon. :(
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There's no way he'd be given guarantees of playing time.
Well lets hope Aston Villa were given guarantees that he would be eligible for a work permit.
I'd expect Lange and the transfer people at Villa to be 100% sure that Duran is someone who will permitted to work and gain access.
If they haven't done their due diligence then its a gross waste of time and incompetence but lets expect that not to be the case. As that would be amateur and these days Villa run a very well oiled business when it comes to transfer moves.
That is quite possibly the biggest most pointless IF on here ever.
Check out his last post in the McGinn thread for a challenger.
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I don't really know how these transfers work. Would an incoming player be given promises of first team games, or would he be told that he will have to start in the reserves and work his way up.
Assuming he won't want to go out on load, i often wonder with the Chelsea system of signing a promising young player and sending them out on loan immediately, do the players just accept this as they are on bigger wages, is it agreed before they sign?
The player's development will be discussed with him / his agent while talking to the club about contracts / salaries etc, and it'll form part of the player's decision on whether to join.
So in this case they might have something like "spend the rest of this season with us, get to know the club and the players, some off the bench, get some minutes. Next season, whole season on loan to somewhere that is going to develop your game and the way we want you to play. Season after that, you're coming off your forty goal season with Osasuna and you're leading Villa's Champions League campaign".
Then he talks to Chelsea and their pitch is "you're heading straight out to Vitesse Arnhem, you'll stay there for three years then we'll quietly release you and you'll join Cardiff".
And then he joins us.
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"With a current Goalimpact of just 89.3, Durán still ranks significantly below the top-four league average. What is interesting in the chart, however, is his peak Goalimpact, which is currently projected at 131.7 and would rank him as a top player in any of Europe’s top leagues"
I won't consider this a good signing until I see what his statistics are for strikingness, scoritude and onionbagability.
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"With a current Goalimpact of just 89.3, Durán still ranks significantly below the top-four league average. What is interesting in the chart, however, is his peak Goalimpact, which is currently projected at 131.7 and would rank him as a top player in any of Europe’s top leagues"
I won't consider this a good signing until I see what his statistics are for strikingness, scoritude and onionbagability.
You forgot scorchiosity and shithousology.
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"In 2020, he was part of the Guardian’s Next Generation list". Sounds like we could have saved a few quid employing the Grauniad journalist as our scout.
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"With a current Goalimpact of just 89.3, Durán still ranks significantly below the top-four league average. What is interesting in the chart, however, is his peak Goalimpact, which is currently projected at 131.7 and would rank him as a top player in any of Europe’s top leagues"
I won't consider this a good signing until I see what his statistics are for strikingness, scoritude and onionbagability.
You forgot scorchiosity and shithousology.
He'd better not be a shithousesorceror, we've got one too many.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
Normally they don't sign until they've got one. Bids and deals can be/are done subject to the other stuff though.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
The most high profile one I can think of is our Douglas for Man City, which is the reason we go him in the first place.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
The most high profile one I can think of is our Douglas for Man City, which is the reason we go him in the first place.
Our first attempt to sign Kalinic as well. We should probably have just listened to them rather than going back.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
The most high profile one I can think of is our Douglas for Man City, which is the reason we go him in the first place.
Our first attempt to sign Kalinic as well. We should probably have just listened to them rather than going back.
Is he still here 👀😃
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
Normally they don't sign until they've got one. Bids and deals can be/are done subject to the other stuff though.
Yes that's my understanding, just making the point that the chances of us being somehow left high and dry on a Work Permit issue is between highly unlikely and zero..
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Actually Sarr wasn't a permit issue the fee was agreed with Watford but broght sparks Gerrard declined an idea of having a wide attacking player?!
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
The most high profile one I can think of is our Douglas for Man City, which is the reason we go him in the first place.
Our first attempt to sign Kalinic as well. We should probably have just listened to them rather than going back.
Is he still here 👀😃
Nah, left permanently last summer.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
Normally they don't sign until they've got one. Bids and deals can be/are done subject to the other stuff though.
Yes that's my understanding, just making the point that the chances of us being somehow left high and dry on a Work Permit issue is between highly unlikely and zero..
Yep, was agreeing with you.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
Normally they don't sign until they've got one. Bids and deals can be/are done subject to the other stuff though.
Yes that's my understanding, just making the point that the chances of us being somehow left high and dry on a Work Permit issue is between highly unlikely and zero..
Yep, was agreeing with you.
Its a first
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We all know he’s going to do his ACL in this upcoming tournament right
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
We didn't announce that we had signed him. We announced that we had agreed a fee with Chicago Fire.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
We didn't announce that we had signed him. We announced that we had agreed a fee with Chicago Fire.
Well spotted.
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Apparently he’s withdrawing from the Columbia squad to come and sign. At least he’s keen then !
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
The most high profile one I can think of is our Douglas for Man City, which is the reason we go him in the first place.
Our first attempt to sign Kalinic as well. We should probably have just listened to them rather than going back.
Wasn't that scuppered by Margaret Byrne, a relegation rival from Sunderland who happened to be on the panel involved in granting permits? Although how she/FA would have sway over the Home Office, I'm not sure.
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Apparently he’s withdrawing from the Columbia squad to come and sign. At least he’s keen then !
Yep announced on the Colombian FA's page, although the last line is unclear due to strange translation, seems as if they are going to see if he can rejoin at some stage during the competition.
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How many players have actually not been given a work permit, once they have been signed?
The most high profile one I can think of is our Douglas for Man City, which is the reason we go him in the first place.
Our first attempt to sign Kalinic as well. We should probably have just listened to them rather than going back.
Wasn't that scuppered by Margaret Byrne, a relegation rival from Sunderland who happened to be on the panel involved in granting permits? Although how she/FA would have sway over the Home Office, I'm not sure.
The same women that tried to sweep Adam Johnson's child abuse under the carpet
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Wasn't that scuppered by Margaret Byrne, a relegation rival from Sunderland who happened to be on the panel involved in granting permits? Although how she/FA would have sway over the Home Office, I'm not sure.
As per my link above, I think there's an agreement that if they rubber stamp an application as the Governing Body, then it gets autmoatically agreed by the Home Office.
"The FA has the ability (subject to other requirements being met) to issue a Governing Body Endorsement for a player, coach or manager who is intended to participate in any of the following..."
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A few comments on Twitter ( I know , I know ) that he won’t reach the threshold of a work permit ?
Nah, a quick fag packet calculation and he qualifies easily. Page 625 from here: https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/12/13/af4dc48c-3761-4a15-97b4-b8b6aa4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
You need 15 points to get a 'Governing Body Endorsement' (GBE). Points are awarded based on the quality of the club you've come from, how many games you've played and international games.
Colombia are ranked in the second tier (11-20, they're 17th) and he's played in 3 games out of 9, - 10 points.
Chicago are in a Tier 4 league, so that gets 6 points
He made 14 starts and 13 sub appearances in 34 games, so let's estimate he played 50-59% of available minutes in a Tier 4 league - 2 points
Even if I've got that horribly wrong, there's this exception:
"the Youth Player shows significant potential and is of sufficient quality to enhance the development of the game in England and justify the Exceptions Panel recommending that a GBE be awarded." Well he's 19 and is a full international, went for a large fee and the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Benfica were sniffing around him.
I appreciated this, ta
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A few comments on Twitter ( I know , I know ) that he won’t reach the threshold of a work permit ?
Nah, a quick fag packet calculation and he qualifies easily. Page 625 from here: https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/12/13/af4dc48c-3761-4a15-97b4-b8b6aa4e95f2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_13.12.pdf
You need 15 points to get a 'Governing Body Endorsement' (GBE). Points are awarded based on the quality of the club you've come from, how many games you've played and international games.
Colombia are ranked in the second tier (11-20, they're 17th) and he's played in 3 games out of 9, - 10 points.
Chicago are in a Tier 4 league, so that gets 6 points
He made 14 starts and 13 sub appearances in 34 games, so let's estimate he played 50-59% of available minutes in a Tier 4 league - 2 points
Even if I've got that horribly wrong, there's this exception:
"the Youth Player shows significant potential and is of sufficient quality to enhance the development of the game in England and justify the Exceptions Panel recommending that a GBE be awarded." Well he's 19 and is a full international, went for a large fee and the likes of Liverpool, Man U and Benfica were sniffing around him.
I appreciated this, ta
Yes Cheers Risso
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The spelling of his name is bugging me. I've since found out it's a South American thing and in particular a Colombian thing. I say this as someone christened a John but no one ever including family has called me by my christened name.
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The spelling of his name is bugging me. I've since found out it's a South American thing and in particular a Colombian thing. I say this as someone christened a John but no one ever including family has called me by my christened name.
Venezuela as well, eg baseball player Jhonathan Díaz
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Lets face a difficult truth here, namely that it makes more sense spelled that way than the way we do it.
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There's no way he'd be given guarantees of playing time.
Well lets hope Aston Villa were given guarantees that he would be eligible for a work permit.
I'd expect Lange and the transfer people at Villa to be 100% sure that Duran is someone who will permitted to work and gain access.
If they haven't done their due diligence then its a gross waste of time and incompetence but lets expect that not to be the case. As that would be amateur and these days Villa run a very well oiled business when it comes to transfer moves.
There is no such thing as a "guarantee" over work permit status these days unless they are an established international. I'm sure we've looked into it, but there is no guarantee without applying and going through the process. But that doesn't mean you can't buy someone and loan them out for a while if they can't get a work permit. Let's not forget that our own Dougie was on Man City's books for two years, but never played in the UK for them due to work permit issues, which were only resolved once we paid a sufficient amount for him, which defined him as "important".
Hopefully this kid will get one, but if he doesn't, and we have to loan him out somewhere for a year while he builds his international credibility, so be it. It's not like he's going to be walking into our first team anyway.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
His scoring record in the MLS is almost identical to Keinan's in the Championship with Forest and Watford (Keinan has 9 in 33, Duran has 8 in 28). The question is whether the MLS is better or worse than the Championship? Keinan's highlight reel from Forest is ridiculous.
I think the comparison (based on nothing more than a YT clips I've seen, obv), is a fair one. Hopefully Duran will turn out to be a much better player!
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
His scoring record in the MLS is almost identical to Keinan's in the Championship with Forest and Watford (Keinan has 9 in 33, Duran has 8 in 28). The question is whether the MLS is better or worse than the Championship? Keinan's highlight reel from Forest is ridiculous.
I think the comparison (based on nothing more than a YT clips I've seen, obv), is a fair one. Hopefully Duran will turn out to be a much better player!
nearly 6 years difference in age is important as well, and I say that as someone who thinks Davis has been very unlucky to not get a lot more gametime with us.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
His scoring record in the MLS is almost identical to Keinan's in the Championship with Forest and Watford (Keinan has 9 in 33, Duran has 8 in 28). The question is whether the MLS is better or worse than the Championship? Keinan's highlight reel from Forest is ridiculous.
I think the comparison (based on nothing more than a YT clips I've seen, obv), is a fair one. Hopefully Duran will turn out to be a much better player!
nearly 6 years difference in age is important as well, and I say that as someone who thinks Davis has been very unlucky to not get a lot more gametime with us.
Yep. that's the thing. If Big Keinan was 19 and doing what he's been doing I doubt we'd have signed Duran.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
His scoring record in the MLS is almost identical to Keinan's in the Championship with Forest and Watford (Keinan has 9 in 33, Duran has 8 in 28). The question is whether the MLS is better or worse than the Championship? Keinan's highlight reel from Forest is ridiculous.
I think the comparison (based on nothing more than a YT clips I've seen, obv), is a fair one. Hopefully Duran will turn out to be a much better player!
nearly 6 years difference in age is important as well, and I say that as someone who thinks Davis has been very unlucky to not get a lot more gametime with us.
Absolutely, Keinan should be coming into his prime now - he'll be 25 next month - but he has barely a hundred appearances in his whole career, with a big chunk of those appearances only as a sub. In minutes, I'll be surprised if he has the equivalent of 60 full games. Injuries have done for him over the years, but also being kept around as a benchwarmer as a 20-22 year old when he should have been out on loan did him no favours really. I still think we'll see him back in the Premier league at some point in the next few years, probably with a newly promoted team.
In the meantime, hopefully this new lad will turn out to be the player we all hoped Keinan COULD be.
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Hate to say it but he reminds me of Kienan Davis in those YT clips!
Thats what I thought.
Except he puts the ball in the net..
His scoring record in the MLS is almost identical to Keinan's in the Championship with Forest and Watford (Keinan has 9 in 33, Duran has 8 in 28). The question is whether the MLS is better or worse than the Championship? Keinan's highlight reel from Forest is ridiculous.
I think the comparison (based on nothing more than a YT clips I've seen, obv), is a fair one. Hopefully Duran will turn out to be a much better player!
nearly 6 years difference in age is important as well, and I say that as someone who thinks Davis has been very unlucky to not get a lot more gametime with us.
Yep. that's the thing. If Big Keinan was 19 and doing what he's been doing I doubt we'd have signed Duran.
Exactly. Keinan has been desperately unlucky with injuries and then never really being given a fair crack on the few times he has been fit but he's now anything other than a young prospect so to compare the two just isn't apples and apples. Archer is a better comparison and even he is 2 years older
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Adding sod all to the debate, I can't see the name Duran without thinking of the peerless Kirkland Laing.
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To the tune of D-D's "Her name is Rio":
"His name is Duran and he comes from Columbia,
His name is Duran and he plays for the Villa"
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Duran, Duran, Duran, Duran, Duran, Duran, Duran, Duran, Duran.
To the theme tune of the Pink Panther.
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Evening all, hope you’ve had a good weekend. Here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Jhon Duran for those interested. The kid is an unbelievable talent and quite easily one of the most talented young forwards in the game. As always, I’d love to hear your thoughts and am happy to answer any questions you may have. I have no doubt he’s going to the very top and fair play to Villa for winning the race to sign him ahead of the likes of Man United, Liverpool, and Benfica.
https://youtu.be/yrDRvZRwmQY
Good watch that.
I always used to misspell the english name as Jhon, so I'm on board with that. Also he has left the Clombia squad to come to BH for his medical, the tournament isn't FIFA sanctioned so we are under no obligation to let him return.
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Duran's with Colombia U20s in the U20 Copa America. The comp doesn't start until Friday.
All 10 nations play in two groups of five, and each team plays four matches in a pure round-robin stage. The three top competitors advance to a single final group of six, each team plays five matches. So he could be there for 9 matches, in which case would expect not to see him at BMH for 3, possibly 4 weeks.
Medical being done in Colombia because they won't let him fly to and from Brum.
Contrary to yesterday's posting, Duran's flown into the UK for his medical. No comment from Villa as to whether he'll go back for the U20 Copa America - it's not an official FIFA competition - so Villa aren't obliged to release him.
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Presumably we won't if Watkins is crocked for a while
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To the tune of D-D's "Her name is Rio":
"His name is Duran and he comes from Columbia,
His name is Duran and he plays for the Villa"
Maybe change the first line to "His name's not Rio coz he comes from Colombia".
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No Barry Manilow at VP, please..!
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The spelling of his name is bugging me. I've since found out it's a South American thing and in particular a Colombian thing. I say this as someone christened a John but no one ever including family has called me by my christened name.
Venezuela as well, eg baseball player Jhonathan Díaz
Is it to keep the pronunciation similar to the English version of 'John', as opposed it turning into "Hon" with a Spanish pronunciation of "jo"?
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Well, Chicago would appear to have negotiated substantial add-ons and a cut of any future transfer, so they seem fairly confident of his future progress.
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No Barry Manilow at VP, please..!
His name was Duran, he wore a diamond.
He was escorted to the bench, by some tarted-up old wench.
And when she'd finished, he called Phil over.
But Duran went a bit too far,
as Watkins shot over the bar.
And then the elbows flew,
And Luiz was smashed in two.
There was blood and a Tyrone cock-up
But just who'd beat who
At the Villa, Vi-illa Pa-ark
The hottest spot north of St. Andrews...
I'm very sorry :-[
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To the tune of D-D's "Her name is Rio":
"His name is Duran and he comes from Columbia,
His name is Duran and he plays for the Villa"
That is perfect. Short, simple and original.
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‘Duran is the lone striker waiting for the ball.’
Running over sacred clover he’s surely bound to scorrrrrre’
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The spelling of his name is bugging me. I've since found out it's a South American thing and in particular a Colombian thing. I say this as someone christened a John but no one ever including family has called me by my christened name.
Venezuela as well, eg baseball player Jhonathan Díaz
Is it to keep the pronunciation similar to the English version of 'John', as opposed it turning into "Hon" with a Spanish pronunciation of "jo"?
There's a pretty good Colombian pro cyclist, Alvaro Hodeg (pronounced Hodge)...apparently his Mom heard of an English footballer called Hodge (yep, probably THAT ONE!) and liked it...BUT they don't have the "dg" letter combination in Colombian and it was spelt incorrectly on his birth certificate....allegedly!
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No Barry Manilow at VP, please..!
His name was Duran, he wore a diamond.
He was escorted to the bench, by some tarted-up old wench.
And when she'd finished, he called Phil over.
But Duran went a bit too far,
as Watkins shot over the bar.
And then the elbows flew,
And Luiz was smashed in two.
There was blood and a Tyrone cock-up
But just who'd beat who
At the Villa, Vi-illa Pa-ark
The hottest spot north of St. Andrews...
I'm very sorry :-[
Dont apologise for brilliance. It scans OK, Geographically accurate. Drags in most of our South American players to pay homage to Mr Manilows Latin beat. Just need another verse now that refers to 30 years hence. Maybe something about the New North Stand. Coutinho could be selling H&V outside the ground...........
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Exciting and potentially good signing but is our need not for "right now" rather than future
We have just let a guy with a little more experience and actual game time, as well as being older out on loan so i cannot see the new guy going straight into the 11
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Exciting and potentially good signing but is our need not for "right now" rather than future
We have just let a guy with a little more experience and actual game time, as well as being older out on loan so i cannot see the new guy going straight into the 11
I doubt we're buying him for right now. Unfortunately 'right now' ready forwards aren't really available.
But he's a completely different player to Cam and just because he wasn't getting gametime doesn't mean that Duran won't.
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I actually think there's been games where we've missed someone like Keinan Davis. We know Keinan's strengths but we also know the weaknesses (injuries, couldn't score in a Red Light brothel with a suitcase full of cash). Duran could certainly provide the good stuff but with a bit more end product. I can't imagine we'll see a huge amount of him this season though. He'll be cameos whilst he settles.
I'm a little concerned now with Archer gone, and assuming we decided Ings was surplus before we let Archer go, that we're very short. We need two senior players in across the front line, but particularly one who could play in the middle.
I'm excited to see Duran though, but dialling down immediate expectations.
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His song should be something to the tune of this,
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His song should be something to the tune of this,
"We signed him on a Monday and our hearts stood still" ... works for the first line at least. :)
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Jhon, signed from the Fire,
A cool finish is all we need
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His song should be something to the tune of this,
"We signed him on a Monday and our hearts stood still" ... works for the first line at least. :)
"Duran..ran, ran the Duran ran
Couldn't hit a barn door a waste of Ł15Mil
Duran..ran ..ran the Duran ran"
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Any news on him actually signing yet? Hopefully no last minute snags with Ings going out he door......
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Is he our only current fit striker? And he's not even signed yet?
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Watkins was pictured training yesterday and Emery said he's fit to play.
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Athletic article claiming that the club have been tracking him for 6 months, so not necessarily an Emery signing. That said, i'm fairly sure i saw a tweet from last year stating that villareal were after him, so may have been an easy sell to the manager.
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US owner, US presence in USA
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His song should be something to the tune of this,
"We signed him on a Monday and our hearts stood still" ... works for the first line at least. :)
"Duran..ran, ran the Duran ran
Couldn't hit a barn door a waste of Ł15Mil
Duran..ran ..ran the Duran ran"
;D
"He missed an open goal & our hearts stood still
Jhon Duran..ran, ran, Jhon Duran ran
Couldn't hit a barn door a waste of Ł15Mil
Jhon Duran..ran, ran, Jhon Duran ran"
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Has Jhon Duran got his Visa sorted yet? Looking forward to seeing him when he's up to speed and settled in at the club.
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I'm sure it'll be announced when it's all been finalised.
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It normally takes up to about a week for a visa (when there's no great rush) and he didn't arrive for the medical until Wednesday so I won't be surprised if we don't hear anything more for a few more days yet.
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I read somewhere on Twitter that he was originally supposed to return for the South American U20s but will now remain at BMH.
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Hope that’s true. Throw him in.
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Not sure if he's in a limo, a 15 year old's private jet or the World's smallest planetarium but maybe he's on his way.
https://twitter.com/jhonduran991/status/1617243587087069186
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Officially announced now with a good shirt stretch to boot.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/23/Villa-confirm-Jhon-Duran-signing/
Avfc official
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(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1400x1400/de1c2cb0-9b2f-11ed-95dd-b3aa9cc3fe01.jpg)
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Nice one !
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
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Fantastic news. On the bench v Leicester hopefully. From the scouting report I heard on a podcast I’m convinced he can start making a contribution straight away.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I'm not crying, it's just raining on my face.
That's a lovely touch that.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I think I've got some grit in my eye......
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Wow!
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Well, put it this way, he certainly doesn't look like a 19 year old that needs to beef up a bit.
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JPA looks very well !!
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
We obviously couldn't get hold of Carlos Sanchez.
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Magnificent. If I found JPA in bed with my missus I'd bring him a cup of tea in the morning.
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Magnificent. If I found JPA in bed with my missus I'd bring him a cup of tea in the morning.
and get them to budge up
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
Beautiful. If he’s as good as JPA we’re in for a treat. Scored a fair few but a criminal waste of a brilliant centre-forward.
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Magnificent. If I found JPA in bed with my missus I'd bring him a cup of tea in the morning.
I haven't met your missus, but I suspect she'd take that deal!
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Magnificent. If I found JPA in bed with my missus I'd bring him a cup of tea in the morning.
Haha!
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I'm not crying, it's just raining on my face.
That's a lovely touch that.
Jhon looked like he had goosebumps at the end!
Also see he's been given number 22. Keeping the 9 shirt for another incoming presumably.
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That was a fantastic idea, whoever thought of it.
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It's easy to forget how young a person is at 19. And the nerves of steel they must have in front of a crowd.
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Well done the Villa communications staff, great idea.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
Beautiful. If he’s as good as JPA we’re in for a treat. Scored a fair few but a criminal waste of a brilliant centre-forward.
Young Jhon looked a bit taken aback by that. He must be raring to go now with our Colombian ambassador’s endorsement.
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Welcome big man, be great and avoid the match threads on here.
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Welcome big man, be great and avoid the match threads on here.
I can't imagine him logging on to H&V during a game somehow, so think he'll be OK.
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Welcome to our great club Jhon
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Welcome big man, be great and avoid the match threads on here.
I can't imagine him logging on to H&V during a game somehow, so think he'll be OK.
He might debrief with the rest of the squad back on the big screen at Bodymoor. Flintstone makes Ollie Watkins laugh a lot, apparently.
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Welcome , let this thread flourish !!
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
Beautiful. If he’s as good as JPA we’re in for a treat. Scored a fair few but a criminal waste of a brilliant centre-forward.
Young Jhon looked a bit taken aback by that. He must be raring to go now with our Colombian ambassador’s endorsement.
Classy from JuanPablo!
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I'm told Colombian phones have a feature were by they can view live threads after they've taken place.
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When did JPA morph into Adam Buxton ?
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New villian on Monday
And the firedance through the night
Its been a cold day
But there's Europes now in sight
Welcome Duran
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Welcome Jhon, I hope you are better than Wesley.
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Best bit of marketing communication ever by the Villa. Massive well done though I'm not sure bringing a new signing to tears is a good or bad thing. I hope there aren't more tears if he's shipped out on loan though I expect him to train with the 1st team squad for the rest of the season, if only to get him settled in.
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Welcome Jhon, I have a feeling you are going to be very popular in B6, please don't let me down.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I'm not crying, it's just raining on my face.
That's a lovely touch that.
Jhon looked like he had goosebumps at the end!
Also see he's been given number 22. Keeping the 9 shirt for another incoming presumably.
He certainly welled up. Great way to introduce him to the club.
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Best bit of marketing communication ever by the Villa. Massive well done though I'm not sure bringing a new signing to tears is a good or bad thing. I hope there aren't more tears if he's shipped out on loan though I expect him to train with the 1st team squad for the rest of the season, if only to get him settled in.
I think he’s likely to be in most match day squads for the rest of the season with some starts as well.
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What a fantastic way to introduce a player. If I needed reminding that our great club oozes class then this is it.
Welcome Jhon, you’ve joined the best club in the world.
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Show 100% commitment and score the goals and you will be loved just as JPA did.
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That’s just beautiful, what a wonderful way to welcome him to our great club.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I think I've got some grit in my eye......
Not the only one. Superb welcome.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I think I've got some grit in my eye......
Not the only one. Superb welcome.
That's so moving.... No, I'm fine 😭😭😭❤️
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It takes me back to when, as a new signing, JPA was introduced to the crowd at HT. He got a fabulous reception.
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What a great way to introduce a young player. Gotta love a bit of JPA...
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Bloody hell that was special.
What a moment for the lad.
And welcome to Aston Villa Jhon.
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Welcome Jhon.
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Thrilled to have JPA speaking of the club so fondly even if it might have started as a PR and motivational exercise.
Early on there was pressure, problems settling into a new culture but he developed into a charismatic figure from his River Plate days to Villa. Scored some absolutely wonderful goals for us too. Great to see the response from the kid, such respect for a Colombian icon. My expectations aren’t so immediate but I’m really looking forward to seeing how he starts and then develops.
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Just caught this. That was a bloody brilliant move from Villa.... and a nice little cameo from Dave Angel too! 👏🏼
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Welcome Jhon and the very best of luck in your Villa career!
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1617562805229461505
I'm not crying, it's just raining on my face.
That's a lovely touch that.
Jhon looked like he had goosebumps at the end!
Also see he's been given number 22. Keeping the 9 shirt for another incoming presumably.
He certainly welled up. Great way to introduce him to the club.
I'm not surprised as so did I. Beautiful stuff!
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Magnificent. If I found JPA in bed with my missus I'd bring him a cup of tea in the morning.
Bad form, he's Colombian so would probably prefer a coffee.
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From Juan to Jhon, will our next Colombian be a pure John ?
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Magnificent. If I found JPA in bed with my missus I'd bring him a cup of tea in the morning.
Bad form, he's Colombian so would probably prefer a coffee.
He’s just shagged my wife so gets what he’s given.
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
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That's a brilliant touch of PR by The Villa and a very moving welcome from JPA.
In spite of me being a really old fart I loved JPA...what a talent! Hope this guy's just as good.
Welcome to the best club in the World Jhon....not just my view, JPA said so!
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JUAN PABLO ANGEL!
THERE'S ONLY JUAN PABLO ANGEL!
JUAN PABLO AAAAAAAAAAAAAANGEL!
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
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He looks a bit like Deontay Wilder.
Hope that means he'll be banging them in!
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
As someone who's taken the opposite path from English to Spanish, I've picked up enough to get by extremely well in day-to-day life, there's nothing I can't do or talk about. But in a situation like that interview there is no way on Earth I'd volunteer to take it in Spanish. I'd get through it but the stress and the worry about sounding like an idiot would kill me.
Obviously, my being an idiot wouldn't help at all in that circumstance.
I'm sure he'll have enough English to thrive, is what I mean.
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He looks a bit like Deontay Wilder.
Hope that means he'll be banging them in!
Risso can probably answer that one for you.
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Great job Villa, he'll remember that for ever.
Glad they chose that over a Carlos Sanchez video :)
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When did JPA morph into Adam Buxton ?
"Risso's wife" (in Robot voice).
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
Not in a latino way, more in a broken English sort of way. Some of the Drugs gangs are Latinos though. The South Side is where most of Chicago's notorious Gun Crime happens.
This weekend 30 shot 7 fatally.
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That’s a lovely way to intro him. I maintain in this era JPA would have been top drawer - he was a bit ahead of his time.
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That’s a lovely way to intro him. I maintain in this era JPA would have been top drawer - he was a bit ahead of his time.
JPA first touch was sublime. Almost the total opposite to Watkins.
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His emotional unveiling has made the news back home.
https://www.elcolombiano.com/deportes/futbol/jhon-jader-duran-nuevo-jugador-aston-villa-OF20166228
And could it be, a blast from the past as he returns to the forum to hall another son of Medellin?
https://twitter.com/ryunited/status/1617572964051959809
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Absolute Class from JPA.
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Jhon is a big unit for a 19 year old. Powerful and quick with an eye for goal, plus good awareness.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cv28j09lvv8o
Shame he spoiled it with the "project" word.
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So do we know if he is now to train here or is he back to Colombia for the under 20 tournament?
I hope its the former
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It looks and sounds like an owner's recommendation, no where have I seen Emery say anything different. I worry too much is expected on both, to deliver and improve. However, I'm interested what we can do with what appears to be raw talent. He's one footed, can we develop him to two? Mentally, can he ride the journey?
Right now the club have gone out of their way to welcome him and his family, create the best environment for the player to focus on his football. The lad obviously has talent but I doubt he's anywhere near ready to even for 'some cameos' unless we're 3, 4 or 5 nil up. Liverpool paid what, Ł65m plus add-ons for a South American striker, Darwin Núńez, that had played less than two full seasons for Benfica. Yes he'd scored some goals but as everybody can see, he's far from the finished article and certainly no Erling Haaland. My guess is given time he'll be the new Cavani, who was one hell of a player.
I looked today with disappointment at the LoanWatch thread updates, some of our gems not even getting minutes. Can Emery turn the promise, because realistically that's all it is, of Duran into a PL top striker? The odds are against him but right now I'm close to blind faith. For one, I've always been a fan of this 'coaching' lark. Unai is smart enough and Jhon young enough, right?
I bloody hope so because I already love him.
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Do we know if our other Colombian ex-player has made a welcome-to-Villa video? Carlos Sanchez where are you?
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
Not in a latino way, more in a broken English sort of way. Some of the Drugs gangs are Latinos though. The South Side is where most of Chicago's notorious Gun Crime happens.
This weekend 30 shot 7 fatally.
I would assume that Chicago Fire use English in the dressing room and in training. If so, his English will be sufficient to play football.
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It was a great idea to get Juan Pablo Angel to introduce Jhon to Aston Villa.
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I wonder if he told him about the weeks he spent by himself in a hotel, while his family were ill and we didn't do a lot as a club to help him....
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Is Jhon going back to the U20 SA championships? Or is he available for our next game?
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Absolute Class from JPA.
Absolutely this.
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I remember seeing JPA outside the Trinity alongside Martin Laursen during the promotion year . Think it was the Blackburn game. It was great to see them. Didn't they come onto the pitch at half time too? I remember Geezer and Tony Iommi at half time vs Burton too the year before.
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Absolute Class from JPA.
This!
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Jhon Duran Duran
He's bigger than me & you
He's gonna score 1 or 2
Jhon Duran Duran
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Absolute Class from JPA.
This!
He's still gorgeous as well.
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So.... do we know if he is here training or back in Columbia playing in the youth tournament?
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So.... do we know if he is here training or back in Columbia playing in the youth tournament?
Here training. Pics on Twitter from the official site.
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He's here training, at least for today.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn1a4hSNlyk/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Didn’t one of the local reporters say it was confirmed he wasn’t going back to the international tournament?
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Didn’t one of the local reporters say it was confirmed he wasn’t going back to the international tournament?
Yes I’m pretty sure that’s right.
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Didn’t one of the local reporters say it was confirmed he wasn’t going back to the international tournament?
Yes I’m pretty sure that’s right.
I hope stays with us.
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
Not in a latino way, more in a broken English sort of way. Some of the Drugs gangs are Latinos though. The South Side is where most of Chicago's notorious Gun Crime happens.
This weekend 30 shot 7 fatally.
I drove across the US a few years back, New York to San Diego. Took in Washington and Chicago before jumping on Route 66. Few scary moments. Had an ex-Navy SEAL threaten to cut my girlfriend at the time's tits off, in a bar in Washington, after I slagged off Trump (error). Had a cowboy tell me he had a gun in his trunk and a canyon in which to bury me, in a bar in Amarillo, after I slagged off Trump (error again).
The worst by a mile was driving into Chicago on a late winter's night on the I-90, with the fuel gauge at 0 and having to get off the freeway to find the first petrol/gas station we could. Pulled in and there were two cars surrounded by about 10 gang members clearly doing a deal. All eyes on me and grabbing of waistbands when getting out the car. The counter was covered in wire mesh and it was categorically not a place for a couple of English tourists. Put two coats on to look extra hench and paid at the counter with a fake Texan accent, which just drew a bemused look and further attention.
Nothing happened and Chicago was incredible, but that was the major time in my life where I felt unsafe and knew it could end very badly if anyone fancied a pop. And I say all that having grown up in the Fold ffs.
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
Not in a latino way, more in a broken English sort of way. Some of the Drugs gangs are Latinos though. The South Side is where most of Chicago's notorious Gun Crime happens.
This weekend 30 shot 7 fatally.
I drove across the US a few years back, New York to San Diego. Took in Washington and Chicago before jumping on Route 66. Few scary moments. Had an ex-Navy SEAL threaten to cut my girlfriend at the time's tits off, in a bar in Washington, after I slagged off Trump (error). Had a cowboy tell me he had a gun in his trunk and a canyon in which to bury me, in a bar in Amarillo, after I slagged off Trump (error again).
The worst by a mile was driving into Chicago on a late winter's night on the I-90, with the fuel gauge at 0 and having to get off the freeway to find the first petrol/gas station we could. Pulled in and there were two cars surrounded by about 10 gang members clearly doing a deal. All eyes on me and grabbing of waistbands when getting out the car. The counter was covered in wire mesh and it was categorically not a place for a couple of English tourists. Put two coats on to look extra hench and paid at the counter with a fake Texan accent, which just drew a bemused look and further attention.
Nothing happened and Chicago was incredible, but that was the major time in my life where I felt unsafe and knew it could end very badly if anyone fancied a pop. And I say all that having grown up in the Fold ffs.
Great story, my wife was driving back from Ohio and had the same petrol station night time experience in the South and she was on her own. The guy serving behind the bullet proof kiosk advised to get the hell out of here.
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Nothing to do with Chicago or Jhon Duran, but I had a policeman in Maine pull his gun out after I was pulled over for doing 30 in a 25 zone. It was very nearly a code brown.
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My mistakes in America were nothing like as severe but i got into 2 conversations that could've gotten out of hand.
One was not really my fault, 2 guys were arguing over obamacare and when the one who was in favour heard my accent I got dragged in to talk about the NHS. The guy who was against it got really angry about it but more at the guy dragging me into things than at me, I made my excuses and went back to playing pool.
The other was again that a guy heard my accent and asked me how I felt safe in my home without a gun to protect my family from a break-in (for context this was in August 2015 on the same day that the journalist and cameraman were killed live on-air, which is why they were talking about guns in the bar). Telling him that because of our gun laws the guy breaking in would be highly unlikely to have one either was very much the wrong thing to say. Thankfully he decided the UK was just 'fucking weird' and asking for trouble. After he chilled out he was actually a decent guy but he looped back before long and started talking to me about all of his guns and invited me to go to a shooting range with him at the weekend (which sadly coincided with my flight home so I had to give it a pass).
Neither felt particularly scary at the time but the gun one was definitely a strange atmosphere that could've gone badly.
Completely unrelated but that bar is also where I saw the worst case of drunk driving in my life, a random woman was pretty much passed out on the bar when we got there but after about 20mins she got up and left, about a minute later we heard a massive crash as she reversed into the big bins outside the pub then tried to drive off with one of them still wedged on her car and hit a lamppost before climbing into her passenger seat and falling asleep. We decided to leave before the police arrived.
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
Not in a latino way, more in a broken English sort of way. Some of the Drugs gangs are Latinos though. The South Side is where most of Chicago's notorious Gun Crime happens.
This weekend 30 shot 7 fatally.
I drove across the US a few years back, New York to San Diego. Took in Washington and Chicago before jumping on Route 66. Few scary moments. Had an ex-Navy SEAL threaten to cut my girlfriend at the time's tits off, in a bar in Washington, after I slagged off Trump (error). Had a cowboy tell me he had a gun in his trunk and a canyon in which to bury me, in a bar in Amarillo, after I slagged off Trump (error again).
The worst by a mile was driving into Chicago on a late winter's night on the I-90, with the fuel gauge at 0 and having to get off the freeway to find the first petrol/gas station we could. Pulled in and there were two cars surrounded by about 10 gang members clearly doing a deal. All eyes on me and grabbing of waistbands when getting out the car. The counter was covered in wire mesh and it was categorically not a place for a couple of English tourists. Put two coats on to look extra hench and paid at the counter with a fake Texan accent, which just drew a bemused look and further attention.
Nothing happened and Chicago was incredible, but that was the major time in my life where I felt unsafe and knew it could end very badly if anyone fancied a pop. And I say all that having grown up in the Fold ffs.
Bloody hell.
The Evertonian mate of mine was telling me not so long back he got mugged on a Greyhound coach over there. Just sitting there minding his own business, then 2 shady buggers sat on the seats immediately to the side and behind him, pulled a gun out and started asking him for his passport and stuff.
I dunno, I quite like the idea of going to America, but then you hear about other people's experiences of the place and think 'fuck that for a game of marbles', I'd rather spend the money going somewhere nice in France or something.
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
Agree it’s worth finding out a little bit about places and transport.
There always story’s of people hiring a car and driving straight into no go zones and not coming out.
But avoiding subjects like politics, guns, religion and race is a good idea.
Most the time America is welcoming and friendly you just need to be a little careful.
I have been more worried in places like South Africa, Mexico Brazil Turkey Russia than the US.
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I found it a most unwelcoming place. Granted, I was in Florida & 6 toes are the norm, but I met two friendly people there & one of them was a barmaid after a tip...
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Do you think a reasonably well heeled sportsman will live on the South Side?
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
But avoiding subjects like politics, guns, religion and race is a good idea.
Exactly. If you are running your mouth slagging off guns and Trump (or anything really) you are asking for trouble.
I don't presume to know more than them about these things and if you listen then sometimes you hear a perspective you hadn't considered.
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Do you think a reasonably well heeled sportsman will live on the South Side?
It was a bit tongue in cheek, the Obamas lived on the South Side in Hyde Park which is a decent area, although much of the south side has become difficult.
You have a lot of nice towns further south of Chicago, before you get to Garry Indiana obviously.
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Love the US, been three times though not for about 10 years. You just need to be aware of your surroundings and avoid going in dodgy places and never talk politics or guns. I’ve always found the people I’ve met really friendly and welcoming but Ive tended to be in out of the way National Park type locations rather than the big cities.
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If we're talking places where, for your own safety, certain subjects can't be discussed, Iran and North Korea are also good.
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Love the US, been three times though not for about 10 years. You just need to be aware of your surroundings and avoid going in dodgy places and never talk politics or guns. I’ve always found the people I’ve met really friendly and welcoming but Ive tended to be in out of the way National Park type locations rather than the big cities.
Summer 2016, out for a meal in some Midwest town with a couple I'd known for years.
Subject inevitably got around to the 2016 election and Trump.............we've barely spoken since
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It's like anywhere, don't advertise that you are a tourist and you will generally be ok.
I have found that people's responses to newcomers are regionally different. New England are very reserved to the point of appearing snobby, but once you break through the veneer they are generally good people. The Mid-West people are friendly from the outset and genuinely warm and kind. West coast, particularly around California cities, are your best friends within 5 minutes, but have forgotten who you are within a few minutes of leaving, very superficial. Obviously these are very sweeping statements and these reactions could be just to me !
I will add that the coldest I can ever remember feeling was in Chicago in the middle of winter. There was no amount of clothing that could keep out the freezing cold wind blowing off Lake Michigan.
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
Agree, I've never had a bad experience in the States. People are generally more friendly than advertised and there is so much geographical diversity.
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It's like anywhere, don't advertise that you are a tourist and you will generally be ok.
I have found that people's responses to newcomers are regionally different. New England are very reserved to the point of appearing snobby, but once you break through the veneer they are generally good people. The Mid-West people are friendly from the outset and genuinely warm and kind. West coast, particularly around California cities, are your best friends within 5 minutes, but have forgotten who you are within a few minutes of leaving, very superficial. Obviously these are very sweeping statements and these reactions could be just to me !
I will add that the coldest I can ever remember feeling was in Chicago in the middle of winter. There was no amount of clothing that could keep out the freezing cold wind blowing off Lake Michigan.
Thats accurate Mate on all counts.
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
Agree it’s worth finding out a little bit about places and transport.
There always story’s of people hiring a car and driving straight into no go zones and not coming out.
But avoiding subjects like politics, guns, religion and race is a good idea.
Most the time America is welcoming and friendly you just need to be a little careful.
I have been more worried in places like South Africa, Mexico Brazil Turkey Russia than the US.
Lived this side of the pond for over 20 years now. Here’s what I tell everyone - America is 4 countries in every respect (the Deep South, the West Coast, the East Coast, and the rest). How you discuss race, guns, abortion, religion, and equality depends very much on which of the 4 you’re in. Not sure when it will happen, but the Union will break up just as it has in the older empires. Increasingly Americans are at war with one another as opposed a common foe.
Fascinating to be in the heart of that evolution.
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It's like anywhere, don't advertise that you are a tourist and you will generally be ok.
I have found that people's responses to newcomers are regionally different. New England are very reserved to the point of appearing snobby, but once you break through the veneer they are generally good people. The Mid-West people are friendly from the outset and genuinely warm and kind. West coast, particularly around California cities, are your best friends within 5 minutes, but have forgotten who you are within a few minutes of leaving, very superficial. Obviously these are very sweeping statements and these reactions could be just to me !
I will add that the coldest I can ever remember feeling was in Chicago in the middle of winter. There was no amount of clothing that could keep out the freezing cold wind blowing off Lake Michigan.
Your neck of the woods is probably my favourite part of America I've been to, loved it round there.
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Love the US, been three times though not for about 10 years. You just need to be aware of your surroundings and avoid going in dodgy places and never talk politics or guns. I’ve always found the people I’ve met really friendly and welcoming but Ive tended to be in out of the way National Park type locations rather than the big cities.
Summer 2016, out for a meal in some Midwest town with a couple I'd known for years.
Subject inevitably got around to the 2016 election and Trump.............we've barely spoken since
Were they diehard Clinton supporters?
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Interestingly doesn't seem to have picked up much english in his year in chicago. Not short of confidence going by the interview, good to see!
Just a hunch, but a lot of the MLS is made up of Latino players so he was probably conversing in his native tongue mostly.
If he has been living on the South Side, he aint picking up much ingerlish
Is it a bit like Miami in that regard?
Not in a latino way, more in a broken English sort of way. Some of the Drugs gangs are Latinos though. The South Side is where most of Chicago's notorious Gun Crime happens.
This weekend 30 shot 7 fatally.
I drove across the US a few years back, New York to San Diego. Took in Washington and Chicago before jumping on Route 66. Few scary moments. Had an ex-Navy SEAL threaten to cut my girlfriend at the time's tits off, in a bar in Washington, after I slagged off Trump (error). Had a cowboy tell me he had a gun in his trunk and a canyon in which to bury me, in a bar in Amarillo, after I slagged off Trump (error again).
The worst by a mile was driving into Chicago on a late winter's night on the I-90, with the fuel gauge at 0 and having to get off the freeway to find the first petrol/gas station we could. Pulled in and there were two cars surrounded by about 10 gang members clearly doing a deal. All eyes on me and grabbing of waistbands when getting out the car. The counter was covered in wire mesh and it was categorically not a place for a couple of English tourists. Put two coats on to look extra hench and paid at the counter with a fake Texan accent, which just drew a bemused look and further attention.
Nothing happened and Chicago was incredible, but that was the major time in my life where I felt unsafe and knew it could end very badly if anyone fancied a pop. And I say all that having grown up in the Fold ffs.
Bloody hell.
The Evertonian mate of mine was telling me not so long back he got mugged on a Greyhound coach over there. Just sitting there minding his own business, then 2 shady buggers sat on the seats immediately to the side and behind him, pulled a gun out and started asking him for his passport and stuff.
I dunno, I quite like the idea of going to America, but then you hear about other people's experiences of the place and think 'fuck that for a game of marbles', I'd rather spend the money going somewhere nice in France or something.
Don't let me put you off. They were probably my only three bad experiences with people, but the these stories are always more interesting to read than "I met this really nice person".
Did a lot of small town America and the general friendliness there puts the UK to shame. People are a bit more distant in the big cities, but that's life and understandable when there are 20 million of you crawling all over each other.
The guy who said about 4 countries is right, and it's something similar I say to people about the scenery, rather than the people, which changes every X amount of miles, and it feels like a different country entirely. Pennsylvania and Nevada might as well be on different planets.
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Advice not to talk politics and religion is wise. Even if raised, just side step the life out of it.
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I've been twice, when Obama was first running for election and again two years later when he was President. I'll go back at some point but I'm not sure I could hold my tongue at the red Maga hat twats. That Curbs episode where Larry was wearing one to make everyone avoid him was hilarious though.
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Shared a dining table over many nights with two American couples while cruising back to Australia, I had a lot of fun winding them up as they were all rabid republicans, I came to realise that it really is a team sport to them. you pick your team and go all in. There was talk of emigration should Clinton win. Hilarious.
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
But avoiding subjects like politics, guns, religion and race is a good idea.
Exactly. If you are running your mouth slagging off guns and Trump (or anything really) you are asking for trouble.
I don't presume to know more than them about these things and if you listen then sometimes you hear a perspective you hadn't considered.
There may be other perspectives on Trump but if they are anything other than he’s a c*nt then the perspective-owner is a moron or up to no good themselves. And their free for all on guns is objectively bad. Obviously I keep these opinions to myself when in the US.
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Shared a dining table over many nights with two American couples while cruising back to Australia, I had a lot of fun winding them up as they were all rabid republicans, I came to realise that it really is a team sport to them. you pick your team and go all in. There was talk of emigration should Clinton win. Hilarious.
I have met an American couple recently who said that if Trump won they would emigrate, and they have and are happily living in Worcestershire.
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Have you heard yourselves?! You're lionising a country that's great, as long as you don't mention that guns and Donald Trump are a problem. It's a fucking dystopia!
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If its any consolation, I've never met a nice South African.
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If its any consolation, I've never met a nice South African.
I am sure Spitting image had a song about this
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Shared a dining table over many nights with two American couples while cruising back to Australia, I had a lot of fun winding them up as they were all rabid republicans, I came to realise that it really is a team sport to them. you pick your team and go all in. There was talk of emigration should Clinton win. Hilarious.
I have met an American couple recently who said that if Trump won they would emigrate, and they have and are happily living in Worcestershire.
So a couple of Democrats are happier living in the UK under the Tories than in the US under Biden. Interesting.
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Lived in Australia for decades and I have always believed it is very much like the USA but without guns, we still have our idiots but in general our streets and schools are very safe.
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If its any consolation, I've never met a nice South African.
I am sure Spitting image had a song about this
That's not bloody suprising, man.
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America's amazing mate, you just have to be a bit careful sometimes. New York is just jaw-dropping, definitely worth a week of your time.
, went for St Patrick's day parade when covid restriction kicked in, they shut the lot down, wasn't really bothered about the sights or anything else, but missing the parade was a killer, plenty of undesirables around as well, which scared the wife, breakfast was a piece of fruit and tea,
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I'm getting soft with age, I much prefer the tropical US these days. In fact, I would love to retire to Culebra - a small, laid-back island off the east-coast of Puerto Rico. The beaches are amazing - Flamenco beach regularly features in top 10 lists...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/34/b7/ab34b7f189b452ce8f18cc4168631b8a.jpg)
The US has a lot of good things going for it, but I would not shed a tear if someone were to remove Washington DC from the map. I don't care to which side of the aisle you lean, the corruption is off the scale and they don't even try to hide it. Politicians are the most self-serving, two-faced, dishonest bunch of money-grabbing twats I have ever encountered. So yeah, definitely don't mention politics :)
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Shared a dining table over many nights with two American couples while cruising back to Australia, I had a lot of fun winding them up as they were all rabid republicans, I came to realise that it really is a team sport to them. you pick your team and go all in. There was talk of emigration should Clinton win. Hilarious.
I have met an American couple recently who said that if Trump won they would emigrate, and they have and are happily living in Worcestershire.
So a couple of Democrats are happier living in the UK under the Tories than in the US under Biden. Interesting.
It would appear so, I think their position was how can we live in a country that could have Trump as President. So they left.
I know we have the obvious comparison to Johnson but even he did not manage to cause the mayhem of the Trump Presidency.
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Shared a dining table over many nights with two American couples while cruising back to Australia, I had a lot of fun winding them up as they were all rabid republicans, I came to realise that it really is a team sport to them. you pick your team and go all in. There was talk of emigration should Clinton win. Hilarious.
I have met an American couple recently who said that if Trump won they would emigrate, and they have and are happily living in Worcestershire.
So a couple of Democrats are happier living in the UK under the Tories than in the US under Biden. Interesting.
If I moved country every time the wrong party got in I'd have lived in half the planet by now. I've never met a Tory I'd like in government, but most of the time I'd much rather Tory rule than that of the slightly less right-wing US party. The chance of having something vaguely on nodding terms with even the centre-right is preferable to the political lack of choice in the States.
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Have you heard yourselves?! You're lionising a country that's great, as long as you don't mention that guns and Donald Trump are a problem. It's a fucking dystopia!
Thinking the same - "It is great if you don't behave as yourself". Nah - I will give it a pass and stick to Thailand and thereabouts. (Used to visit Brazil a lot, but since they adopted mini-Trump, I have decided against visiting again, as things seem less safer now)
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Anyway (why does everything have to turn into a political thread) Do we think Jhon will make the bench anytime soon?
If we do not sign a striker in this window i see that we would have no choice
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I'm sure he'll be on the bench rather than having a second keeper on there. Will be interesting to see if he gets any gametime.
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Have you heard yourselves?! You're lionising a country that's great, as long as you don't mention that guns and Donald Trump are a problem. It's a fucking dystopia!
Thinking the same - "It is great if you don't behave as yourself". Nah - I will give it a pass and stick to Thailand and thereabouts. (Used to visit Brazil a lot, but since they adopted mini-Trump, I have decided against visiting again, as things seem less safer now)
Thailand? Can't think of any problems with the government there at all then?
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Have you heard yourselves?! You're lionising a country that's great, as long as you don't mention that guns and Donald Trump are a problem. It's a fucking dystopia!
Thinking the same - "It is great if you don't behave as yourself". Nah - I will give it a pass and stick to Thailand and thereabouts. (Used to visit Brazil a lot, but since they adopted mini-Trump, I have decided against visiting again, as things seem less safer now)
Thailand? Can't think of any problems with the government there at all then?
To show my objection to authoritarian Governments, I'm taking the family to Pyongyang this year.
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Have you heard yourselves?! You're lionising a country that's great, as long as you don't mention that guns and Donald Trump are a problem. It's a fucking dystopia!
Thinking the same - "It is great if you don't behave as yourself". Nah - I will give it a pass and stick to Thailand and thereabouts. (Used to visit Brazil a lot, but since they adopted mini-Trump, I have decided against visiting again, as things seem less safer now)
Thailand? Can't think of any problems with the government there at all then?
Haha - I was more thinking about the people you meet. Though, this probably goes everywhere, respecting local cultures is a must. (
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I'd like to repeat my previous views, which I believe Ads objected to: I'd love to visit the USA, if it weren't full of Americans.
Every American I've met has been thoroughly charming, intelligent, funny, but as one of them put it to me, "we're the ones who left".
I'm not mad on huge crowds, shops and tall buildings, so the likes of New York isn't for me.
It appears to be a stunningly beautiful country, really, but when it comes to those places you 'must' visit, I have a number ahead of it, including some places I have already been: France, Italy, Germany, India, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.
The USA can suck my balls, frankly. If I want to bankrupt myself for healthcare or get shot, I can join Bupa or visit Newtown.
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That Curbs episode where Larry was wearing one to make everyone avoid him was hilarious though.
Yeah, that was brilliant - as almost everything in Curb is.
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I'd love to visit the USA, if it weren't full of Americans.
It isn't. They only make up just over 1% of the population.
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I'd love to visit the USA, if it weren't full of Americans.
It isn't. They only make up just over 1% of the population.
Go on...
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Native Americans.
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Native Americans.
80% of the jail population!
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I'd like to repeat my previous views, which I believe Ads objected to: I'd love to visit the USA, if it weren't full of Americans.
Every American I've met has been thoroughly charming, intelligent, funny, but as one of them put it to me, "we're the ones who left".
I'm not mad on huge crowds, shops and tall buildings, so the likes of New York isn't for me.
It appears to be a stunningly beautiful country, really, but when it comes to those places you 'must' visit, I have a number ahead of it, including some places I have already been: France, Italy, Germany, India, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.
The USA can suck my balls, frankly. If I want to bankrupt myself for healthcare or get shot, I can join Bupa or visit Newtown.
I have a similar thing with golf, where I quite like the idea of taking up the sport but don't want to turn into, or socialise with golfers.
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I'd like to repeat my previous views, which I believe Ads objected to: I'd love to visit the USA, if it weren't full of Americans.
Every American I've met has been thoroughly charming, intelligent, funny, but as one of them put it to me, "we're the ones who left".
I'm not mad on huge crowds, shops and tall buildings, so the likes of New York isn't for me.
It appears to be a stunningly beautiful country, really, but when it comes to those places you 'must' visit, I have a number ahead of it, including some places I have already been: France, Italy, Germany, India, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.
The USA can suck my balls, frankly. If I want to bankrupt myself for healthcare or get shot, I can join Bupa or visit Newtown.
I have a similar thing with golf, where I quite like the idea of taking up the sport but don't want to turn into, or socialise with golfers.
See also: jazz.
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I'd like to repeat my previous views, which I believe Ads objected to: I'd love to visit the USA, if it weren't full of Americans.
Every American I've met has been thoroughly charming, intelligent, funny, but as one of them put it to me, "we're the ones who left".
I'm not mad on huge crowds, shops and tall buildings, so the likes of New York isn't for me.
It appears to be a stunningly beautiful country, really, but when it comes to those places you 'must' visit, I have a number ahead of it, including some places I have already been: France, Italy, Germany, India, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.
The USA can suck my balls, frankly. If I want to bankrupt myself for healthcare or get shot, I can join Bupa or visit Newtown.
I have a similar thing with golf, where I quite like the idea of taking up the sport but don't want to turn into, or socialise with golfers.
See also: jazz.
Nice !
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I'm more of an Acid Skiffle man myself:
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Brilliant, not seen that piss take of Jamirocunt before.
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
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The tune/dance was a lot better than the comedy set-up (and I say that as a big fan of The Fast Show). I was supposed to see Simon Day performing before Christmas but he was poorly. Think he's touring as Dave Angel later this year.
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
To paraphrase what I heard from an English journalist who specialises in South American football:
He made his league debut in Columbia at 15.
He moved to the MLS at 17.
He’s been capped 3 times by Columbia.
He’s quick, strong, and in the journo’s opinion, although he might not scores heaps of goals if he gets in the team, will certainly not look lost and will make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
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But what does he think about jazz?!
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But what does he think about jazz?!
he thinks it is ‘ nice’
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But what does he think about jazz?!
he thinks it is ‘ nice’
Without jazz he'd never have cumbia and he knows it.
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
To paraphrase what I heard from an English journalist who specialises in South American football:
He made his league debut in Columbia at 15.
He moved to the MLS at 17.
He’s been capped 3 times by Columbia.
He’s quick, strong, and in the journo’s opinion, although he might not scores heaps of goals if he gets in the team, will certainly not look lost and will make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
Ollie Watkins
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
To paraphrase what I heard from an English journalist who specialises in South American football:
He made his league debut in Columbia at 15.
He moved to the MLS at 17.
He’s been capped 3 times by Columbia.
He’s quick, strong, and in the journo’s opinion, although he might not scores heaps of goals if he gets in the team, will certainly not look lost and will make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
Ollie Watkins
What point are you trying to make there? If it's that the guy sounds similar to Watkins then great, that's who he's cover for, will make it much easier to integrate him if he can slot into the system as neatly as that.
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
To paraphrase what I heard from an English journalist who specialises in South American football:
He made his league debut in Columbia at 15.
He moved to the MLS at 17.
He’s been capped 3 times by Columbia.
He’s quick, strong, and in the journo’s opinion, although he might not scores heaps of goals if he gets in the team, will certainly not look lost and will make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
Ollie Watkins
What point are you trying to make there? If it's that the guy sounds similar to Watkins then great, that's who he's cover for, will make it much easier to integrate him if he can slot into the system as neatly as that.
Sadly I was unable to underline the he’s quick strong not score heaps of goals and make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
Which is exactly what we have With OW.
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
To paraphrase what I heard from an English journalist who specialises in South American football:
He made his league debut in Columbia at 15.
He moved to the MLS at 17.
He’s been capped 3 times by Columbia.
He’s quick, strong, and in the journo’s opinion, although he might not scores heaps of goals if he gets in the team, will certainly not look lost and will make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
Ollie Watkins
What point are you trying to make there? If it's that the guy sounds similar to Watkins then great, that's who he's cover for, will make it much easier to integrate him if he can slot into the system as neatly as that.
Sadly I was unable to underline the he’s quick strong not score heaps of goals and make a telling contribution in pressing and link up play.
Which is exactly what we have With OW.
Well yeah, I assumed that much, what I was asking is whether you think it's a bad thing.
For me it's a positive because we saw when Ings started (or came on early) how important Watkins is to us getting decent possession high up the pitch.
Adding more goals would be great but I think, based on the chances we create, Bailey is the bigger problem on that front because he should really be doing more with the chances he's had under Emery.
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Did Bailey miss this many glaring chances in Germany? If he’d have got even half the sitters he’s missed we’d be raving about him.
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I came here via a link on Trip Advisor
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Come on, guys: I keep logging onto this thread expecting to find some in-depth analysis and words of wisdom about our new Wunderkinde and all I'm getting is guff!
I came here via a link on Trip Advisor
I came here via a link from a site dedicated to Irish actor Milo O'Shea who played Durand Durand in the the seminal movie Barbarella.
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I was watching tractor porn and embarrassingly ended up here.
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I was looking for Sherlock Street.
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Here’s a bit of decent analysis:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=399396mBI9g
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Here’s a bit of decent analysis:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=399396mBI9g
Cheers, Percy.
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People do know Duran was labelled not an Ings replacement by Emery as part of the psychology of not putting pressure on the player coming in.
At the moment its looking like an exciting move and one that could thrive under El Maestro tutelage.
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People do know Duran was labelled not an Ings replacement by Emery as part of the psychology of not putting pressure on the player coming in.
At the moment its looking like an exciting move and one that could thrive under El Maestro tutelage.
Or maybe he was being as straight as he normally is, and thinks that a 19 year old player he had nothing to with signing, and who last played in a minor league 4 months ago is nowhere near what he needs in the Premier League.
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People do know Duran was labelled not an Ings replacement by Emery as part of the psychology of not putting pressure on the player coming in.
At the moment its looking like an exciting move and one that could thrive under El Maestro tutelage.
Or maybe he was being as straight as he normally is, and thinks that a 19 year old player he had nothing to with signing, and who last played in a minor league 4 months ago is nowhere near what he needs in the Premier League.
He specifically said last week that Duran is not one for the 'now'.
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People do know Duran was labelled not an Ings replacement by Emery as part of the psychology of not putting pressure on the player coming in.
At the moment its looking like an exciting move and one that could thrive under El Maestro tutelage.
Or maybe he was being as straight as he normally is, and thinks that a 19 year old player he had nothing to with signing, and who last played in a minor league 4 months ago is nowhere near what he needs in the Premier League.
He specifically said last week that Duran is not one for the 'now'.
yes not full time to lead the premiership line
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He may not displace Watkins but We can expect him to get some minutes though.
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He may not displace Watkins but We can expect him to get some minutes though.
No real choice after we've sold Ings, sent Archer out on loan and not replaced them remotely adequately
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Personally I think he might do better coming on for Bailey occasionally, floating around Watkins. Not such a key part of the team structure, less to live up to. At least at first until he settles in. I think he’ll be great though, just a question of how soon.
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Anyway, no pressure kid.
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There's a rather famous American racing driver of the sixties called Bob Bondurant. He won Le Mans, drove for Shelby, Ferrari, Lotus amongst others. Had a horrific crash in a McLaren.
Anyway. The Americans pronounce his name "Baab Baanderaan' and I'm unable to think of our new signing without calling him "Baaaan Jaanduraan" in my head.
It's starting to really get on my tits.
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There's a rather famous American racing driver of the sixties called Bob Bondurant. He won Le Mans, drove for Shelby, Ferrari, Lotus amongst others. Had a horrific crash in a McLaren.
Anyway. The Americans pronounce his name "Baab Baanderaan' and I'm unable to think of our new signing without calling him "Baaaan Jaanduraan" in my head.
It's starting to really get on my tits.
You live in a lovely county, but it might be an idea to find something to do, Rodders.
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There's a rather famous American racing driver of the sixties called Bob Bondurant. He won Le Mans, drove for Shelby, Ferrari, Lotus amongst others. Had a horrific crash in a McLaren.
Anyway. The Americans pronounce his name "Baab Baanderaan' and I'm unable to think of our new signing without calling him "Baaaan Jaanduraan" in my head.
It's starting to really get on my tits.
You live in a lovely county, but it might be an idea to find something to do, Rodders.
Terrible idea. Might catch on, and then where would I be?
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You'd still be landlocked.
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You'd still be landlocked.
This is an fact.
I believe that the same is also true of B6 though, which is full of people who have things to do.
Apart from our scouting team apparently. Fnaar.
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
I don't think we've put any pressure on him at all. If Watkins gets injured, maybe but even then the rest of the forward line have to chip in with goals as well.
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
I don't think we've put any pressure on him at all. If Archer gets injured, maybe but even then the rest of the forward line have to chip in with goals as well.
Archer's been loaned out, which is part of the problem. Do at least try to base your arguments on the facts.
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
I don't think we've put any pressure on him at all. If Archer gets injured, maybe but even then the rest of the forward line have to chip in with goals as well.
There is a rest of the forward line?
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You'd still be landlocked.
This is an fact.
I believe that the same is also true of B6 though, which is full of people who have things to do.
Apart from our scouting team apparently. Fnaar.
Techincally Brum is not landlocked thanks to the annexed warm water port of Weston Super Mare.
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You'd still be landlocked.
This is an fact.
I believe that the same is also true of B6 though, which is full of people who have things to do.
Apart from our scouting team apparently. Fnaar.
Techincally Brum is not landlocked thanks to the annexed warm water port of Weston Super Mare.
Kaliningrad Super Mare.
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That is of course true.
And I am bounded on three sides by water. Let's just call it a moat?
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We should be looking to fortify the M5 corridor though
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
I don't think we've put any pressure on him at all. If Archer gets injured, maybe but even then the rest of the forward line have to chip in with goals as well.
Archer's been loaned out, which is part of the problem. Do at least try to base your arguments on the facts.
There's no need to be snarky really is there?
Error in original post amended.
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We should be looking to fortify the M5 corridor though
I'd agree in principle but my brother reports a disproportionately high number of noses around Malvern (true Brummies). Can't be arsed with them or the necessary hazmat protection. Can we divert around the M50?
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
This is Almiron's fifth season in the premier league, and it's the first season he's scored more than four league goals. I hope to God he adapts a bit quicker than him.
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Praying this kid comes on quickly and really helps us in the second half. We shouldn’t be putting this much pressure on him, but he’s going to have to step up. And usually takes MLS players a little time to adjust. Hopefully he is more Almiron than Simon Dawkins.
This is Almiron's fifth season in the premier league, and it's the first season he's scored more than four league goals. I hope to God he adapts a bit quicker than him.
Several of those seasons should come with an asterix next to them on Wikipedia to denote 'Managed by Steve Bruce'
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He's just had a mention on the One Show, Simon Le Bon is in the studio and said Roger Taylor is a Villa fan.
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He's just had a mention on the One Show, Simon Le Bon is in the studio and said Roger Taylor is a Villa fan.
That was a classic awkward moment from Le Bon , who obviously seems to have no interest in football or Villa.
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Hes a Man Utd fan. Roger Taylor and John Taylor are the Villa fans but Roger is the more passionate.
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So...do we think Jhon will make the bench tomorrow?
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So...do we think Jhon will make the bench tomorrow?
Well as unprepared as he almost certainly is, he's got to be a better option than Sinisalo. On that point, why did Emery go with two goalies on the bench? Surely he'd have been better with another outfield player from the academy ranks? The chance of ever needing to make 2 goalie subs are minimal, the chance of needing another defender or midfielder are much higher you'd have thought.
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Indeed he’s going to have to be isn’t he?
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So...do we think Jhon will make the bench tomorrow?
Well as unprepared as he almost certainly is, he's got to be a better option than Sinisalo. On that point, why did Emery go with two goalies on the bench? Surely he'd have been better with another outfield player from the academy ranks? The chance of ever needing to make 2 goalie subs are minimal, the chance of needing another defender or midfielder are much higher you'd have thought.
I imagine there is some logistics to it. I can't be bothered to look at Academy and U23 fixtures but he may have decided the outfield players were better off focusing on game time in that rather being a spare man on the bench. They generally take three keepers to every game so Sinisalo was there and there was a spare space on bench so he may as well keep his kit on after the warm ups.
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People do know Duran was labelled not an Ings replacement by Emery as part of the psychology of not putting pressure on the player coming in.
At the moment its looking like an exciting move and one that could thrive under El Maestro tutelage.
Or maybe he was being as straight as he normally is, and thinks that a 19 year old player he had nothing to with signing, and who last played in a minor league 4 months ago is nowhere near what he needs in the Premier League.
So...do we think Jhon will make the bench tomorrow?
Me:Yes, he will as I knew he would be ready for the first team
And Emery:
"I can’t give him the responsibility and pressure now, but he’s a professional. He was playing in the MLS and that’s not like here in the Premier League but he’s training very well.
“He’s hungry to build up quickly and he’s learning quickly from his teammates. He has the possibility to play minutes tomorrow and to make his debut.”
Emery added: “Jhon Durán is going to improve and grow up with us. He’s going to play matches and get minutes.
“He’s going to be on the pitch and training with us every day. We signed him without wanting to give him the responsibility to be our striker in the starting XI, but if he will show us he’s ready to do it, I will do it.”
As I suspected. Thank you.
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"I can’t give him the responsibility and pressure now"
As I suspected. Thank you.
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"I can’t give him the responsibility and pressure now"
As I suspected. Thank you.
I believe you suspected he was
far from
Not in any way
Not to any degree
In no manner
No not really
Not under any condition
From the first team.
Or to quote is " nowhere near "what he needs in the Premier League.
Sometimes you just have to concede how wrong it was to challenged my thoughts on Duran as what was said by you is highly inaccurate and I was able to see Emery understanding of the situation far better.
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"I can’t give him the responsibility and pressure now"
As I suspected. Thank you.
I believe you suspected he was
far from
Not in any way
Not to any degree
In no manner
No not really
Not under any condition
From the first team.
Or to quote is " nowhere near "what he needs in the Premier League.
Sometimes you just have to concede how wrong it was to challenged my thoughts on Duran as what was said by you is highly inaccurate and I was able to see Emery understanding of the situation far better.
Well
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Fucking hell.
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As I suspected. Thank you.
Footy, I don't remember you mentioning him in your analysis of possible strikers that Villa might buy during the early part of the 'window'.
What's your analysis now he's been training with the Villa squad?
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As I suspected. Thank you.
Footy, I don't remember you mentioning him in your analysis of possible strikers that Villa might buy during the early part of the 'window'.
What's your analysis now he's been training with the Villa squad?
Furthermore, does he have the mental fortitude to sit through Emery's long meetings, unlike Sanson and Guilbert? Will his form dip once he has children?
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As I suspected. Thank you.
Footy, I don't remember you mentioning him in your analysis of possible strikers that Villa might buy during the early part of the 'window'.
What's your analysis now he's been training with the Villa squad?
Furthermore, does he have the mental fortitude to sit through Emery's long meetings, unlike Sanson and Guilbert? Will his form dip once he has children?
Duran is a Spanish speaker, so he will be able to communicate with Emery in his native language. Being overseas and having this as an option is a bonus, as it allows for clear instruction and probably helps advance his cause.
I do hope he gets some action tomorrow.
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"I can’t give him the responsibility and pressure now"
As I suspected. Thank you.
I believe you suspected he was
far from
Not in any way
Not to any degree
In no manner
No not really
Not under any condition
From the first team.
Or to quote is " nowhere near "what he needs in the Premier League.
Sometimes you just have to concede how wrong it was to challenged my thoughts on Duran as what was said by you is highly inaccurate and I was able to see Emery understanding of the situation far better.
Congratulations. Have a lollipop...
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As I suspected. Thank you.
Footy, I don't remember you mentioning him in your analysis of possible strikers that Villa might buy during the early part of the 'window'.
What's your analysis now he's been training with the Villa squad?
Duran is a Spanish speaker, so he will be able to communicate with Emery in his native language. Being overseas and having this as an option is a bonus, as it allows for clear instruction and probably helps advance his cause.
I do hope he gets some action tomorrow.
You've dodged my observation and question...
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Lively cameo, drew a yellow card with a powerful run. Nice turn of pace about him.
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Lively cameo, drew a yellow card with a powerful run. Nice turn of pace about him.
Looks quite strong, too. Obviously he was unlikely to make a significant impact today. The game had already gone when he appeared.
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As I suspected. Thank you.
Footy, I don't remember you mentioning him in your analysis of possible strikers that Villa might buy during the early part of the 'window'.
What's your analysis now he's been training with the Villa squad?
Duran is a Spanish speaker, so he will be able to communicate with Emery in his native language. Being overseas and having this as an option is a bonus, as it allows for clear instruction and probably helps advance his cause.
I do hope he gets some action tomorrow.
You've dodged my observation and question...
I've heard Jhonny loves a Guiness so he won't be best pleased.
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Before the warm up he came out to sign a few autographs. Whilst doing so one of the kids said to him "nice watch" Duran then took it off and gave it him.
Now before everyone thinks Rolex or such like it was a blingy Michael Kors. Still a few hundred quids worth.
It's bad enough all the kids turning up with hand crafted signs asking for shirts, once this gets out they will be holding up shopping lists
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Signs of a good lad right there.
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You can buy hookey Michael Kors watches in Brick Lane for three quid. Nice gesture though.
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You can buy hookey Michael Kors watches in Brick Lane for three quid. Nice gesture though.
Unless he's a massive fan of a lamb dhansak, I doubt he's made it to Brick Lane yet, Brian!
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I'm sure when he gets his first paycheck he wont give away his next one ;D
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This guy's a baller. We can go route one and he'll kill most defenders. Finally, a Carew for Gen Z-ers!
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Can we stop pining for Ings now?
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Deserves to start ahead of Bailey next week on the few minutes I saw today.
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Can we stop pining for Ings now?
What else would there be to post about?
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Impressive effort.
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Can we stop pining for Ings now?
I think that’s somewhat disingenuous and missing the point. The issue with selling Ings is the lack of depth in forwards - Duran looking promising doesn’t change that.
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He is still quite raw , a few mid timed jumps for headers , but looks promising
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19, comes on as a sub away at Man City and immediately looks like he belongs at the level. A few inches lower and that would have been one of the best recent goals I’ve seen from a Villa centre forward. Trying not to get too carried away because it’s very early days but looks the real deal, I wouldn’t start him yet though as he shouldn’t be rushed.
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Ideally I wouldn’t be starting him either, but we’ve left ourselves with really limited options. It might benefit him, but we’re going to have to accelerate his development.
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We haven't seen such a centre forward's thunderbolt since the beast Benteke's best days.
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I'd start him. Hasn't hindered Gnonto.
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Not getting my hopes up as I been disappointed with previous players in same situation
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Yep, he's 19, not 12. Play him.
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He's physically able to mix it anyway, that puts him above Bailey.
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He's physically able to mix it anyway, that puts him above Bailey.
100% this
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He looked good today. Confident and he gave us something. Very promising.
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Barring an epic collapse or run, we're not going to get relegated or finish in Europe, so may as well give him some decent minutes.
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Can we stop pining for Ings now?
I think that’s somewhat disingenuous and missing the point. The issue with selling Ings is the lack of depth in forwards - Duran looking promising doesn’t change that.
Yes it does.
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He's physically able to mix it anyway, that puts him above Bailey.
100% this
Yes - in a team crying out for more physicality
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He looked lively.
Play him.
Football is simple. It’s a game. Try players. You can make subs. 5 bloody subs.
Drop Bailey and play him.
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He's physically able to mix it anyway, that puts him above Bailey.
100% this
Yes - in a team crying out for more physicality
Yep, I agree with that.
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His leap is seriously impressive.
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He reminds me of John Carew (although that might be just because he's bigger than me and you).
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Looked a handful and his movement and pace is good. Hitting the crossbar with that shot was excellent. Fuck it, thrown him in, did far more than Bailey and when he flags, swap him. As others have said, use those five subs.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
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He reminds me of John Carew (although that might be just because he's bigger than me and you).
The question is, is he going to score one or two?
I think ease him in slowly, he's young and new to the country so don't want him to feel under any pressure. But you'd hope by May it'd be him getting games rather than Bailey.
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He reminds me of John Carew (although that might be just because he's bigger than me and you).
Jhon Duran Duran,
He's a really big Villa fan,
Juan Pablo Ángel's man,
Jhon Duran Duran.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
I like him, a bit raw but plenty to be hopeful about.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
Yeah but the club haven’t helped him much there by not getting another forward. I hope he ends up being brilliant, but the situation we’ve got for the remainder of the season means it’s going to be a real baptism of fire.
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It’s got to be worth a punt with him and Ollie playing together hasn’t it? Maybe not every week, but we do have other options with Coutinho, Bert and Buendia.
McGinn further forward is as another option, maybe in the hole…
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I think Olie works better when he's on his own though, it seems to suit him.
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He reminds me of John Carew (although that might be just because he's bigger than me and you).
He's not, he's just under 6' 2" so smaller than many H&Vers. :)
Looks promising so far though but I wouldn't start him next week.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
Please try to post without petty digs at other Villa fans. Shit like this is why Chicago posted ‘KRO’. He has a valid point.
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That strike was hit with some force from little follow through but the speed had it past the keeper before he even reacted. 6 inches lower and it would have been interesting. If he can catch strikes as naturally going forward he will get goals.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
Please try to post without petty digs at other Villa fans. Shit like this is why Chicago posted ‘KRO’. He has a valid point.
I'm right though and the fact you have replied to my original point says a lot.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
Yeah but the club haven’t helped him much there by not getting another forward. I hope he ends up being brilliant, but the situation we’ve got for the remainder of the season means it’s going to be a real baptism of fire.
I dunno, he’s git a free hit for the rest of the season whereas he might struggle for minutes if we had other options.
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
Yeah but the club haven’t helped him much there by not getting another forward. I hope he ends up being brilliant, but the situation we’ve got for the remainder of the season means it’s going to be a real baptism of fire.
Paul no disrespect meant, but can you change the record on this?! We have what we have, nothings gonna change that til June.
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That strike was fantastic. Not just the pace he hit it at, but that he clearly angled the shot so that it dipped.
Very unlucky not to score and to be fair, a number of Man City fans clapped it.
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Superb effort
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/110mk69/jhon_duran_effort_vs_man_city_92/
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He did alright didn't he? But give it a couple of games where he might struggle to get used to the pace of the game (which he will) and he's trying to settle in and the usual suspects will quickly say what a waste of money he is.
Yeah but the club haven’t helped him much there by not getting another forward. I hope he ends up being brilliant, but the situation we’ve got for the remainder of the season means it’s going to be a real baptism of fire.
I think the opposite. He strikes me as a very confident lad; fiery and determined. He isn't going to be fazed by being thrown in at the deep end, he will thrive in that kind of environment. He certainly didn't look out of place yesterday against the alleged champions.
Different players react differently to different circumstances. We may have created the best possible environment to get the most out of Durán, so that he can really be an asset to the squad. If he was a replacement for Archer, and therefore not being used at all, what would be the point of him being here?
I get the impression the club has been downplaying Durán to give him space to grow, but that they are quite excited about his potential - and we are starting to see why. I'd start him next week.
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Personally, I think Emery can and should do what he wants with him. We've not seen anywhere near enough to know anything yet.
It's really promising stuff mind, and I'm excited about him. Looks like Lange and his team have done well with a young player again.
A start in the Cup would be best for him... FFS
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He was really demanding the ball yesterday. His pace and power allowed balls to be successfully put into the channels, unlike with Bailey. He really gave the City defence a very awkward second half.
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Play him now, he'll be right upto speed come the start of next season
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I like the look of him from what I saw
He was certainly involved in all the forward play when you came on
As I’ve said before I think he’ll get used quite a lot between now and the end of the season
People who have taken what Emery said about him not being ready yet as gospel have to realise that he was probably protecting him
He’s not gonna say yeah he’s going straight in and we’re expecting big things from him straight away is he
From yesterday’s performance when he was bought at the same time as Danny Ings used to be I think I’d rather have Duran over Ings already as he’s more mobile puts in self around a lot more
but it is early days.
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He was really demanding the ball yesterday. His pace and power allowed balls to be successfully put into the channels, unlike with Bailey. He really gave the City defence a very awkward second half.
I could run a lot more than Bailey and cause problems and I am 64 and 14 stone (got to go on a diet)
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Surprised at how decent he was. He didn’t look phased by it either it’s all very encouraging. Even if he had a stinker he’d have given more contribution than Bailey.
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I dare say Emery is a more accomlished Spanish speaker than I am but I noticed he pronouced it "Dooran" in the post game interview. What gives?
2m24s:
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I like the look of him from what I saw
He was certainly involved in all the forward play when you came on
As I’ve said before I think he’ll get used quite a lot between now and the end of the season
People who have taken what Emery said about him not being ready yet as gospel have to realise that he was probably protecting him
He’s not gonna say yeah he’s going straight in and we’re expecting big things from him straight away is he
From yesterday’s performance when he was bought at the same time as Danny Ings used to be I think I’d rather have Duran over Ings already as he’s more mobile puts in self around a lot more
but it is early days.
It was promising, certainly. But we've seen promising from big Keinan. We need goals. As for Ings, we could have had both him and Duran on the bench. With Coutinho coming back into form you could see him making chances for Ings. We had two youth team keepers on the bench, one of them didn't look more than about 14.
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Promising for Keinan Davis is that he doesn’t shatter into a thousand pieces when the ball comes near him.
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I'm a little surprised this thread hasn't had a bump. I thought he was very good when he came on, again. Early days, but I think he's going to be a star.
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I'm a little surprised this thread hasn't had a bump. I thought he was very good when he came on, again. Early days, but I think he's going to be a star.
Good to hear but given he's Colombian let's hope it's only his thread that has a bump.
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The slight mis-control before his shot was a reminder of how raw he is.
But I think Everton away might be a good one to give him a full debut next week, let jug-ears Tarkowski and Cornelius Cody know that they can't bully us.
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Duncan Ferguson without the skill that's how my mate called him last night. Not entirely off the mark.
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He's got the size he's got the speed but very rough around the edges, Ollies safe for a while methinks.
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The slight mis-control before his shot was a reminder of how raw he is.
But I think Everton away might be a good one to give him a full debut next week, let jug-ears Tarkowski and Cornelius Cody know that they can't bully us.
I can understand the idea but who would you drop? If anybody, maybe Buendia but personally I'd keep giving him sub appearances for now. He'll get his chance though.
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I thought he and Ollie played well together last week, suprised he took Ollie off.
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Think he will be a big fan favourite when he’s up to speed.
For the chance he had when he forced the save, at the time I thought a quicker ball to the centrally positioned Bailey was the choice but by the time he’d looked it was gone.
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Players usually really struggle to adapt to the league and I don't think he had played much in the MLS before his move. Together with his age, it really bodes well for him. A full pre-season and he should really step up a level or 2. Looks like good work from the recruitment department, which looks like they're starting to make better decisions.
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I really like him when he's come on he's done well.
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Looked good to me when he came on. That's two encouraging cameos in a row - think he will turn out to be a good signing. Certainly a better substitute than Ings on the evidence thus far.
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Players usually really struggle to adapt to the league and I don't think he had played much in the MLS before his move. Together with his age, it really bodes well for him. A full pre-season and he should really step up a level or 2. Looks like good work from the recruitment department, which looks like they're starting to make better decisions.
At 19 he certainly doesn’t look intimidated or physically outmatched in his first few appearances. I think he will do well for us.
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Trying to gee up the crowd was interesting from a young lad too. I like him.
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Trying to gee up the crowd was interesting from a young lad too. I like him.
I spotted that too. He could be a character.
From his cameos so far he seems a right mongrel of a player, it seems he could be a physical target man or a trendy inside forward. The versatility will help him, just hope he can find the net too.
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I like him too. Could have unearthed a gem there.
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Duncan Ferguson without the skill that's how my mate called him last night. Not entirely off the mark.
Don’t really see that at all.
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Yeah...was Ferguson even that skilful?
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Trying to gee up the crowd was interesting from a young lad too. I like him.
I spotted that too. He could be a character.
From his cameos so far he seems a right mongrel of a player, it seems he could be a physical target man or a trendy inside forward. The versatility will help him, just hope he can find the net too.
Would have liked to have seen him come on and play with Watkins again as they have looked to work quite well in the short time on the pitch they have had together.
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Yeah...was Ferguson even that skilful?
No
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Yeah...was Ferguson even that skilful?
No
Isn't that the joke? Like saying somebody is like Thatcher without the compassion, or like John Merrick without the good looks etc...
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Luke Chadwick made a good PM.
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Luke Chadwick had all sorts of mental health issues because of the stick he took over his looks, think we need to knock that one on the head.
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Luke Chadwick had all sorts of mental health issues because of the stick he took over his looks, think we need to knock that one on the head.
Taken on board and edited.
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Yeah...was Ferguson even that skilful?
No
Isn't that the joke? Like saying somebody is like Thatcher without the compassion, or like John Merrick without the good looks etc...
Thatcher would have worked for both of those.
Although François Mitterrand apparently found her alluring.
Mind you, he'd have shagged a wardrobe if you put a dress on it, the randy old goat.
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Seems a good egg does our Jhon. https://twitter.com/jhonduran991/status/1629149706533146625
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I like the fact he only follows 1 account on twitter: @avfcofficial
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I like the fact he only follows 1 account on twitter: @avfcofficial
Hmm - thats probably pretty smart - that way you would avoid a lot of the shite thats posted about you
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Luke Chadwick had all sorts of mental health issues because of the stick he took over his looks, think we need to knock that one on the head.
Taken on board and edited.
He is running this football factory franchise now and seems to be doing well and came across very well
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Luke Chadwick had all sorts of mental health issues because of the stick he took over his looks, think we need to knock that one on the head.
Taken on board and edited.
He is running this football factory franchise now and seems to be doing well and came across very well
A former housemate had a strange love hate relationship with him. This was when he was first breaking into the team at Man Utd (01-02) and looked fairly promising (Chadwick not my housemate).
They played in the same junior setup - and Chadwick ended up at Man Utd, my house mate had trails at Cambridge but never made it. Whilst my housemate was handy in our 5 aside team, his biggest claim to fame was appearing on the front page of the Leicester Mercury (along with me and some other mates) the day after England beat Argentina at the 2002 World Cup.
For his birthday we bought him a Man Utd shirt with Chadwick's name and number on the back - and I don't think I have ever seen a man so conflicted in my life. I like to think he still has it, and wares it during love making as a memory of a happy period in our life's
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Duran appears to be very eager to make an impression.
Emery has him at a stage in his career where he can mould him into something special.
I've already noticed he's not quick to pass, but I believe he wants to enjoy and make the most of his time on the field.
Late in the game against Arsenal there was an opportunity to pass to Bailey, or take it to the corner but Duran instead took an ambitious shot. To be fair, Bailey would probably do the same thing when it came to shooting at goal.
I could see him coming on for 15 minutes or so against Everton.
So far, there have been very encouraging signs and also the need to adapt and improve decision making.
As Villa progress it's good to have Duran on board as real improver in the whole work of progress and will be one I think improves with the team.
Looking forward to seeing more of him.
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Emerys words on Duran are what I have thus far observed and thought.
"Duran has to improve, has to adapt, He has potential, of course, and we are speaking with him and the adaptation will be easy for him.
His mentality is good. Now we are going to work on his emotion when he is playing. It has an impact with his desires to score, wishing to show his performance.
But we have to take the balance when he is playing because, tactically, he has to learn. He has to adapt – he is doing it every day and we’re demanding with him.”
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JPA at BH earlier today, it seems.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1631641343473713152
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You've got to hand it to JPA, he cares about us post-career more than probably any other of our foreign import (EIRE and GOD excluded).
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Still a proper handsome bastard as well.
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You've got to hand it to JPA, he cares about us post-career more than probably any other of our foreign import (EIRE and GOD excluded).
Mellberg maybe as well, he always comes across as being very happy to talk about us but maybe I see more of him because I have a lot of nordic friends/colleagues.
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You've got to hand it to JPA, he cares about us post-career more than probably any other of our foreign import (EIRE and GOD excluded).
Mellberg maybe as well, he always comes across as being very happy to talk about us but maybe I see more of him because I have a lot of nordic friends/colleagues.
Laursen was over for the play-off final so retains an interest as well.
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John Carew as well, although I don't think he'll be attending matches for a while.
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John Carew as well, although I don't think he'll be attending matches for a while.
I reckon his Scandinavian prison accommodation is probably better than Villa's corporate offering, anyway.
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Did he actually go to jail in the end? I have visions of Martin O'Neill coming to visit him and calling him a rogue but smiling bashfully at the same time intimating that he could never give up on him.
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Neil Rioch has proved himself to be a tireless worker for all causes Villa for many years now.
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A piece on Durán, by Villa fan Luis Miguel Echegaray: https://www.espn.com/soccer/colombia-col/story/4907594/jhon-durans-journey-from-colombia-to-mls-to-aston-villa
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A piece on Durán, by Villa fan Luis Miguel Echegaray: https://www.espn.com/soccer/colombia-col/story/4907594/jhon-durans-journey-from-colombia-to-mls-to-aston-villa
Great piece.
Colombia play Jurgen Klinsmanns South Korea tomorrow 11am.
Duran likely to be involved in the friendly
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Played the kast 20 minutes in a 2-2 draw v South Korea.
Managed to stray offside twice on couple of passes through to him.
Nothing of much note worthy on shots or proper onside chances.
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Not good enough really, is it? Get rid.
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Nice finish against Japan! Well placed, running on to a pulled back cross from the left side. Inside the keepers right hand post.
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The goal
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1640669646985592835?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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Very nice. The Japan goal wasn't bad either.
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Very nice. The Japan goal wasn't bad either.
https://twitter.com/eurofootcom/status/1640664427279130624?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Yeh that kid from Brighton is just superb. What a season he’s had. I always wanted us to get a player from Japan or South Korea. They all seem to work so hard and unselfishly. And the talent level of players from that part of the world has improved significantly. We did have Iwabuchi in the ladies team of course.
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The goal
https://twitter.com/avfcstatto/status/1640669646985592835?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Good stuff, he looked pleased.
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Yep, I love how enthusiastic he is about the game, a good character. Though undoubtedly with some flaws I've not seen yet.
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That was a fantastic finish. I've no idea whether he's got what it takes to be a success with us, but he's some unit for a young lad. Lack of physicality isn't going to be what holds him back!
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Yep, I love how enthusiastic he is about the game, a good character. Though undoubtedly with some flaws I've not seen yet.
Yep, he comes across as a good kid on Twitter.
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Yep, I love how enthusiastic he is about the game, a good character. Though undoubtedly with some flaws I've not seen yet.
Left footed finish too. Is that his best foot? A mirror image of Watkins on the right would be bloody good for us, drifting right then cutting in on his left foot (i.e. prime Salah).
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Yep, I love how enthusiastic he is about the game, a good character. Though undoubtedly with some flaws I've not seen yet.
Left footed finish too. Is that his best foot? A mirror image of Watkins on the right would be bloody good for us, drifting right then cutting in on his left foot (i.e. prime Salah).
Judging by that goal and that shot he hit at Man City I’d say his left is a little bit special
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Seems to have a bit of fight. I like him.
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Would have liked to give him more ball
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Definitely got fire in his belly. Time to give him a go at Wolves I think
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It seemed to me that he cost us a few vital seconds by getting involved with Luke Shaw when there was no need and giving away a free kick.
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I like him, though he needs to pick the timing of his battles.
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I'm not sure he's the one we want to be bringing on when we need a goal. Send him out on loan next season.
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I'm not sure he's the one we want to be bringing on when we need a goal. Send him out on loan next season.
Yep, he's got some good attributes but he needs to play regularly to show if he's good enough for English football. He wasn't Emery's choice so I think we'll see him out on loan next year.
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I'm not sure he's the one we want to be bringing on when we need a goal. Send him out on loan next season.
Yep, he's got some good attributes but he needs to play regularly to show if he's good enough for English football. He wasn't Emery's choice so I think we'll see him out on loan next year.
Do we spend Ł18 million on a striker and then loan him out ?
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I'm still not sure what the point of him is, when we could have had Archer as a credible goal threat instead.
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Haven't seen enough of him so far.
Would like to see him up top with Ollie
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Seemed a good bit off the pace when he came in.
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He looks a yard dog to me but yard dogs can have good careers.
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Until he starts a game or even gets a full 45 mins I'm not sure how anyone can form an opinion.
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His lack of awareness is what points towards my first opinion of him
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I’d suggest let’s wait and see.
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He's a hot young talent and we got him. Whether he stays, or goes on loan, he's ours and nobody else's. Similarly with Archer. Emery will decide what's best for us and them and we'll see where it goes.
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It's hard to judge him yet. He looks like a right handful to play against and is a physical presence. He's another player Europe would be good for.
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He's a good bet for a booking.
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You simply can't judge him on a few substitute appearances. He needs far more game time to get up to speed along with good coaching which he will get under UE and his staff. He's already a full Columbian international and scored his first goal recently. He's only 19.
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You simply can't judge him on a few substitute appearances. He needs far more game time to get up to speed along with good coaching which he will get under UE and his staff. He's already a full Columbian international and scored his first goal recently. He's only 19.
The age thing is important. Yes, he's come here for decent money, and he will be expected to make an impact on the first team, but he's six months younger than Louie Barry, who we all still regard as a kid - and a full two years younger than Archer. A Championship loan next season would do him the world of good.
We bought potential, so let's not get to do disappointed we haven't seen much from him in a few fleeting sub appearances. If we're still talking about potential when he's 21, fair enough, but it's still far too early.
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I will leave the like of Duran and Blundia for Emery to sort out, he's got better knowledge then I
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It's especially worrying because our last Colombian centre forward (who was mid-20s) had such a sensational first 6 months...
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I can Duran enjoying a nice loan spell next season. Doesn’t matter if it’s in the Championship or at a similar level on the continent; in Holland or France or Spain. Because he needs to play and benefit from regular competition and will come back a better player for it. I can see Cam returning as part of a team of three forwards, with Ollie and another experienced striker. Three is never too many forwards for a club that hopes to be in Europe annually as well as competing at the top end of the table ams in later stages of domestic cup events. Plenty of games to go around.
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It's especially worrying because our last Colombian centre forward (who was mid-20s) had such a sensational first 6 months...
Jhon's just biding his time, waiting for Coventry to be promoted in the playoffs. ;)
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Jhon is younger than Louie Barry?! Blimey...he'd eat him up for breakfast.
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Big Jhon's agent is in Brum to ask Villa if he could be released to play for Colombia in the FIFA U-20 World Cup (May 20th to June 11th). No decision made by the club yet but I'd be inclined to say go ahead, assuming our other attackers are fit.
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Our other attackers?
1. Postnatal depressed Ollie Waktins (Part II) - back to 2 in 14 until 2025.
2. ...
Erm..that's your lot. Sounds like a plan, not a very good one.
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... assuming our other attackers are fit.
... for the sake of clarity, could you please name our other attackers.
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I think Unai's more likely to bring on Traore or Bailey if they're both fit for the last game. Not having Duran to throw on for the last 5 minutes against Brighton isn't going to make or break our season.
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I think Unai's more likely to bring on Traore or Bailey assuming they're both fit for the last game. Not having Duran to throw on for the last 5 minutes against Brighton isn't going to make or break our season.
Are you joking, do you know how many of us have bet the farm on him coming off the bench and scoring the winner against Brighton?
Two.
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I think Unai's more likely to bring on Traore or Bailey assuming they're both fit for the last game. Not having Duran to throw on for the last 5 minutes against Brighton isn't going to make or break our season.
Are you joking, do you know how many of us have bet the farm on him coming off the bench and scoring the winner against Brighton?
Two.
Colombian footballers and gambling are not a good combination. It doesn't end well. :(
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I think Unai's more likely to bring on Traore or Bailey assuming they're both fit for the last game. Not having Duran to throw on for the last 5 minutes against Brighton isn't going to make or break our season.
Are you joking, do you know how many of us have bet the farm on him coming off the bench and scoring the winner against Brighton?
Two.
Colombian footballers and gambling are not a good combination. It doesn't end well. :(
Well I saw Pablo_E lumping it on..
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I honestly don't see long term that he is a Emery type of player. His footwork and running off his man will have to improve that much
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The important thing is you’ve given him plenty of time to settle before making a judgement.
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He's 19 and still acclimatising to living in a different country and more competitive league. We've obviously seen something in him. Most wanted to get whatever they could for Watkins before Emery and his staff coached him and made him a better player. He's the only lad of his age that Emery has regularly had on the bench and he's shown he's adverse to putting young kids on the bench.
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Judging by his tweet just now (pic of an airport departure board for a flight to Barcelona, with some accompanying emoji suggesting that's why), he's off on loan.
https://twitter.com/jhonduran991/status/1676291178046562316?s=20
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Espanyol would be a very sensible move for him. Need a striker now that Joselu has gone to Madrid, and will be one of the better teams in that league so should be plenty of goals for him.
Edit - although I'm guessing there aren't many direct flights from Colombia to provincial areas of Spain. So I guess he could be going anywhere, not necessarily a Barcelona team.
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Judging by his tweet just now (pic of an airport departure board for a flight to Barcelona, with some accompanying emoji suggesting that's why), he's off on loan.
https://twitter.com/jhonduran991/status/1676291178046562316?s=20
What was the emoji, an aubergine?
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Judging by his tweet just now (pic of an airport departure board for a flight to Barcelona, with some accompanying emoji suggesting that's why), he's off on loan.
https://twitter.com/jhonduran991/status/1676291178046562316?s=20
What was the emoji, an aubergine?
Pen, timer, plane, football.
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Judging by his tweet just now (pic of an airport departure board for a flight to Barcelona, with some accompanying emoji suggesting that's why), he's off on loan.
He might have been going to Barcelona in Colombia but that's served by Armenia airport so that would have appeared on the departure board instead. Looks like he's heading for Spain, and probably grateful that Risso's daughter's travel agent didn't make the booking.
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A loan would be really good for him, he's got a lot of ability and has the physique to be a premier league player but looked very raw. It does suggest another forward coming in and Archer staying around, which is how I'd like things to go this summer.
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I will be excited to see what he can do out on loan.
He isn't ready for first team Villa football, but with his physique, it shouldn't take him long to get football ready...
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A swap deal with Barcelona for Gavi?
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Tweet not opening?
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Tweet not opening?
Elon is trying to kill twitter again. Can't see tweets unless you have an account and are logged in.
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I can't see a Ł19m player going out on loan - even less so if we make it to the group stages of the conf league.
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I can't see a Ł19m player going out on loan - even less so if we make it to the group stages of the conf league.
I don’t think the price really comes into it.
He’s 19 and the highest level he has played is the MLS and even then not for long. He’s not going to get many minutes here any time soon, and even given us playing more matches I’d have thought Archer staying and Duran being sent on loan is the obvious move.
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I can't see a Ł19m player going out on loan - even less so if we make it to the group stages of the conf league.
I don’t think the price really comes into it.
He’s 19 and the highest level he has played is the MLS and even then not for long. He’s not going to get many minutes here any time soon, and even given us playing more matches I’d have thought Archer staying and Duran being sent on loan is the obvious move.
It's about what needs to happen to make him the best player he can be, if that means a loan then that's what we should do, worrying about how it loos because of the price is putting the reputation of the club in front of the needs of the player.
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I can't see a Ł19m player going out on loan - even less so if we make it to the group stages of the conf league.
I don’t think the price really comes into it.
He’s 19 and the highest level he has played is the MLS and even then not for long. He’s not going to get many minutes here any time soon, and even given us playing more matches I’d have thought Archer staying and Duran being sent on loan is the obvious move.
100% agree emoji.
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I can't see anyone giving us anywhere near 19million for him anytime soon, so if he's not currently up to scratch as far as Emery's plans go, feels like a loan spell to a decent level club is the best option. Worst case scenario he impresses enough that we'll get a few bob for him in the next window.
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I can't see anyone giving us anywhere near 19million for him anytime soon, so if he's not currently up to scratch as far as Emery's plans go, feels like a loan spell to a decent level club is the best option. Worst case scenario he impresses enough that we'll get a few bob for him in the next window.
He’s gonna be class.
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Birmingham Mail says he's just on his way back to Birmingham from Colombia. No direct flights to Brum, I guess.
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Birmingham Mail says he's just on his way back to Birmingham from Colombia. No direct flights to Brum, I guess.
If they're not due in until this weekend or even Monday, maybe he just fancied a couple of days in Barcelona.
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Birmingham Mail says he's just on his way back to Birmingham from Colombia. No direct flights to Brum, I guess.
If they're not due in until this weekend or even Monday, maybe he just fancied a couple of days in Barcelona.
It's the pen emoji that suggests he's off on loan somewhere.
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Birmingham Mail says he's just on his way back to Birmingham from Colombia. No direct flights to Brum, I guess.
If they're not due in until this weekend or even Monday, maybe he just fancied a couple of days in Barcelona.
It's the pen emoji that suggests he's off on loan somewhere.
Plus, are we really taking anything Birmingham Mail say as gospel? Now they’ve said this, I wouldn’t be surprised to find Duran is actually about to dock with the ISS.
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Birmingham Mail says he's just on his way back to Birmingham from Colombia. No direct flights to Brum, I guess.
If they're not due in until this weekend or even Monday, maybe he just fancied a couple of days in Barcelona.
It's the pen emoji that suggests he's off on loan somewhere.
Plus, are we really taking anything Birmingham Mail say as gospel? Now they’ve said this, I wouldn’t be surprised to find Duran is actually about to dock with the ISS.
That said - and contradicting myself - he does appear to have a good sense of humour from stuff he's posted before so could just be on the wind up.
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That said - and contradicting myself - he does appear to have a good sense of humour from stuff he's posted before so could just be on the wind up.
Maybe the joke was that he was signing for Barcelona. It didn't quite land if everyone's first conclusion was he's gone on loan to a lower level Spanish team.
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You’re lucky it’s not a full moon!
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Birmingham Mail says he's just on his way back to Birmingham from Colombia. No direct flights to Brum, I guess.
If they're not due in until this weekend or even Monday, maybe he just fancied a couple of days in Barcelona.
It's the pen emoji that suggests he's off on loan somewhere.
Plus, are we really taking anything Birmingham Mail say as gospel? Now they’ve said this, I wouldn’t be surprised to find Duran is actually about to dock with the ISS.
I think hes safe and sound on Planet Earth.
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There was a comment on twitter earlier, potentially from his agent, that said contrary to opinion he's been told he'll be used this season.
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Where's the first match of the new season thread v Walsall?
I think Duran will be showing up today and be given his opportunity
A 3 or 4 goals to nil victory.
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Not in the squad.
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Nostradamus strikes again.
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He had international duty so hasn't even returned to training yet.
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The explains his absence today. I can see him showing up in the summer series.
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The explains his absence today. I can see him showing up in the summer series.
I suppose if you make enough predictions you will eventually be correct.
Chimpanzees, typewriters, and the works of Shakespeare come to mind.
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I don't think it's much of a push to think that all fit players will play some part in pre-season.
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Quite. Morgan Sanson played today and you can bet your bottom dollar he won't start a league game this season.
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Wasn't the news Sanson is going to Strasborg. I would have put that in the transfer thread but seems its taking a political discourse
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There's a Morgan Sanson thread about four topics down.
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And wheres the politics thread?
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Obvious troll is obvious.
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Sanson isn't worth my time really.
Looking forward to see what Duran can do in the summer series I think it's a good move to have the games in America and Dhuran will be able to take some minutes in familiar surroundings having been an MLS player
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I can see us keeping both Duran and Archer until January if we are still in Europe and the cups. Especially if we do not sign another 'number 9', and all links point to wingers that can do a job at '9' rather than a pure striker.
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I can see us keeping both Duran and Archer until January if we are still in Europe and the cups. Especially if we do not sign another 'number 9', and all links point to wingers that can do a job at '9' rather than a pure striker.
I agree re Archer but would be very surprised if Duran didn't go on loan before the season starts - it would absolutely do him the world of good.
Preferably somewhere with a bit of pressure, Leeds, somewhere like that.
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I think Emery likes Duran because he’s a physical presence, which we don’t really have in our forwards. I think that’s why he favoured him to Archer last season, because he offered something different, if raw.
I think he’d benefit from a loan, but I also like us being able to bring on someone who can bully defenders a bit and chuck his weight around.
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We need to sign another proven experienced striker, if Watkins gets injured we are facing into a problem.
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I can see us keeping both Duran and Archer until January if we are still in Europe and the cups. Especially if we do not sign another 'number 9', and all links point to wingers that can do a job at '9' rather than a pure striker.
I agree re Archer but would be very surprised if Duran didn't go on loan before the season starts - it would absolutely do him the world of good.
Preferably somewhere with a bit of pressure, Leeds, somewhere like that.
What's he ever done to you? :)
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I can see us keeping both Duran and Archer until January if we are still in Europe and the cups. Especially if we do not sign another 'number 9', and all links point to wingers that can do a job at '9' rather than a pure striker.
I can see that too. It would make complete sense.
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I think Emery likes Duran because he’s a physical presence, which we don’t really have in our forwards. I think that’s why he favoured him to Archer last season, because he offered something different, if raw.
Duran didn't sign until a week before the transfer window shut, I don't think a loan transfer out was feasible in those circumstances!
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I've never seen Dhuran as a loan him out signing but a development and for the first team squad signing.
He can be harnessed here and utilised accordingly.
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Hi Footy,
I’m looking forward to the USA summer tour!
Goodness knows who will be actually playing.
Dhuran may be in more than one team, but what’s really likely with Unai? Not a lot is forecastable!
I think this summer is going to be provocative, entertaining and interesting from a Villa fan pov. I think we’ll do great stuff next season, as well.
UTV!
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Duran would benefit from a year in the championship. He is incredibly raw , it will do him good for 12 months
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I've never seen Dhuran as a loan him out signing but a development and for the first team squad signing.
He can be harnessed here and utilised accordingly.
Loaning out is part of development, if the coaches think he'll get where we need him quicker with a few months in the championship then he'll be loaned out, regardless of the intent when he signed or what he cost.
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Paul’s right, we’ve seen a few times what happens when they don’t get it right, eg Keinan Davis.
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Ive said before that what i'd do is keep Archer, he's at an age where another Championship loan won't tell us anything new so let's find out if he's ready, and good enough, for the big league. And send JD to the Championship, I like him but 10 mins here and there for us, even with Europe, isn't going to help as much as a spell playing most weeks. It still leaves us needing another striker, whether that's an older short term one or someone who can play wide as well, who knows.
But i'm not sure Unai will do that. And there's a slim chance he knows more than me. Only slim granted, but i'll be gracious and suggest there is a chance.
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I’ve found a thread that’s on topic!
Keep Archer, loan Duran (possibly to Guimares). They need games and I doubt they’d both get enough once we sign “felix/Johnson”.
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We're in three competitions at the beginning of the season, and I'd fully expect him to get games in at least two of them.
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I think he'll go on loan, he needs to.
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Yep I’d imagine so.
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We've still got another year of Kienan Davis
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We've still got another year of Kienan Davis
You do not infer what Unai could do with him. No sign of him in pre season though
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I think he'll go on loan, he needs to.
I think he’ll go the same way as Balaban.
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I think he'll go on loan, he needs to.
I think he’ll go the same way as Balaban.
Why?
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If he goes on loan I don't see the benefits of it being to a european team. He's trying to find his feet in the British game so a Champioship team is the only loan that really makes sense if we are set on him staying at Villa.
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Well I doubt we’re not “set on him staying at Villa” given he signed 6 months ago.
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I think he'll go on loan, he needs to.
I think he’ll go the same way as Balaban.
Why?
Just a feeling from what I’ve seen. Nothing more. I realise he’s young but most of the footage from the MLS he just looks very awkward.
I can’t see why he warranted such a large transfer fee.
Someone obviously rates him though.
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I think he’s already shown more than Balaban ever did and he’s coming into a much better environment for overseas players than 20 years ago.
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I think he’s already shown more than Balaban ever did and he’s coming into a much better environment for overseas players than 20 years ago.
Perhaps. I think football has also come a long way in this country since then.
I hope he makes it. It’s going to be tough for him.
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If we have bought ‘potential’ with Duran, then it must be buried pretty deep and someone at the club has incredible faith in their decision making.
The lad is raw, yes. But there are loads and loads of other 19 and 20 year olds playing in the prem who are light years ahead of our Jhon.
Let’s hope he develops quickly.
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I don’t know if he’s got the talent to make it or not but there’s no way he’s ready for our first team currently.
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Do we know whose decision it was to bring Duran in? I know Emery was in charge in January, but was he a player he picked, like Moreno, or was someone else making the deals at that point?
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Do we know whose decision it was to bring Duran in? I know Emery was in charge in January, but was he a player he picked, like Moreno, or was someone else making the deals at that point?
I’m sure there was a link to Duran before Emery came in.
- perhaps I’m wrong, I can’t find anything trawling through the news.
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I’m sure there was a link to Duran before Emery came in.
Given how much we paid for him you'd assume someone was very confident in him being worth investing in. If that wasn't Emery then it'll be interesting to see how he fits in this season.
Wasn't he pulled/dropped from international duty at the end of the season? Not injured but something to do with muscle fatigue or something like that. Given he really didn't play that much for us, it's a question mark hanging over him too, for me anyway.
I think a loan would be the best option for him, but depending on which players come in before the window shuts, and how versatile they are in where they can play, we may have to rely on him. Then you have to question if anyone would want him on loan? Has he played enough for anyone to think he's worth taking on?
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https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/liverpool-make-concrete-move-for-jhon-duran_503066.html
A few tenuous links.
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I just don't think we're going to buy another out and out striker, particularly going by our current links so I reckon he isn't going out on loan. I don't think that will be the right call if it happens that way, though.
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I think he’s already shown more than Balaban ever did and he’s coming into a much better environment for overseas players than 20 years ago.
Perhaps. I think football has also come a long way in this country since then.
I hope he makes it. It’s going to be tough for him.
Having a Colombian striker scoring for Villa again would be nice.
I did think it was alot for us in terms of taking a punt. A Chelsea could afford a punt on that chuck lad that briefly turned out for us. But their turnover is much much higher to allow them the gamble. For us, it was a significant investment. The club must be pretty certain on him.
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Kind of a bizarre signing this one. Very left field for the money we paid.
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Do we know whose decision it was to bring Duran in? I know Emery was in charge in January, but was he a player he picked, like Moreno, or was someone else making the deals at that point?
I read that the wheels had been in motion for some time, but it went through Emery for final approval before he was actually signed.
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Do we know whose decision it was to bring Duran in? I know Emery was in charge in January, but was he a player he picked, like Moreno, or was someone else making the deals at that point?
I read that the wheels had been in motion for some time, but it went through Emery for final approval before he was actually signed.
That sounds right to me.
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I just don't think we're going to buy another out and out striker, particularly going by our current links so I reckon he isn't going out on loan. I don't think that will be the right call if it happens that way, though.
I really hope we're in for an out and out striker. I expect Archer to come off the bench and start a few cup games, at least for the first half of the season but we'd be mad to go into the new season with only have one experienced striker. I hope Unai isn't collecting centre backs like MON collected right backs.
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I think there's a couple of things to remember here, just because we paid a decent amount for him he'd only just turned 19, he's young enough that it's 2 more seasons before we even need to name him in our squad. That's 2 years younger than the other young striker on our books that we're all hoping will have a big breakout campaign this season.
He needs time, we knew that when he signed and Emery said as much at the time.
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I just don't think we're going to buy another out and out striker, particularly going by our current links so I reckon he isn't going out on loan. I don't think that will be the right call if it happens that way, though.
I really hope we're in for an out and out striker. I expect Archer to come off the bench and start a few cup games, at least for the first half of the season but we'd be mad to go into the new season with only have one experienced striker. I hope Unai isn't collecting centre backs like MON collected right backs.
Without going all hipster twat about it, what is an out and out striker in 2023?
Is it an Erling Haaland who is a fucking machine in the box but doesn't really do anything else?
Is it a Harry Kane who spends as much time coming deep and trying to link play as he does playing at a traditional 9?
Do they have to be a goal scorer, and is that the most important thing or is about how to work and occupy defenders to open space and chances for the wide players to score? Is it both?
More important than all of that, if Watkins broke his leg the day after the window closed what sort of player would Villa need, for this squad, to step in and fill the gap?
I ask all these silly questions because I honestly don't know what we should be after, I want someone to play off Watkins who can score goals, and we've been linked with a bunch of those players, but after that I don't know who else I'd like to see come in.
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Then there's the issue that there aren't as many strikers around these days. To the point that Wenger hosted a seminar on the subject to look into why there are fewer out and out strikers coming through development paths.
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More important than all of that, if Watkins broke his leg the day after the window closed what sort of player would Villa need, for this squad, to step in and fill the gap?
A combination of Harry Kane and Rudy Gestede.
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More important than all of that, if Watkins broke his leg the day after the window closed what sort of player would Villa need, for this squad, to step in and fill the gap?
A combination of Harry Kane and Rudy Gestede.
Ivan Toney would be very good in our team I reckon.
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He's very raw but still young. Worth remembering that at a very similar age Archer was going on loan to Solihull Moors where he struggled to make an impact, and as Paul says, we're now hoping this season is the one where Archer has an impact in the Premier League.
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Then there's the issue that there aren't as many strikers around these days. To the point that Wenger hosted a seminar on the subject to look into why there are fewer out and out strikers coming through development paths.
A proper, old-fashioned 9 is as different from your average outfield player as a goalkeeper is in my opinion and they are the 2 genuinely specialist positions in the game. Every other position you can train players on standard technical skills and then where they fit is largely defined by physical aspects as much as anything. Strikers need a very different skillset, which is why you don't often see players move from other positions to become strikers but the other way happens all the time (I'm thinking more at youth level here).
There are less strikers around now because most major nations have gone down the academy route and are getting kids into big 'farms' as early as possible. The knock-on effet from this is that lots of players are trained with the very generic skillset that works for 8-9 players in the team.
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More important than all of that, if Watkins broke his leg the day after the window closed what sort of player would Villa need, for this squad, to step in and fill the gap?
A combination of Harry Kane and Rudy Gestede.
Ivan Toney would be very good in our team I reckon.
I wouldn't bet on that.
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He's very raw but still young. Worth remembering that at a very similar age Archer was going on loan to Solihull Moors where he struggled to make an impact, and as Paul says, we're now hoping this season is the one where Archer has an impact in the Premier League.
Archer has benefited massively from his time at Preston and Boro. I'd say Duran needs a similar loan or two before he's ready to be assessed for the EPL
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More important than all of that, if Watkins broke his leg the day after the window closed what sort of player would Villa need, for this squad, to step in and fill the gap?
A combination of Harry Kane and Rudy Gestede.
Ivan Toney would be very good in our team I reckon.
I wouldn't bet on that.
Not as much as he might
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I did wonder how long that would be left waiting for the obvious punchline. 50minutes is pretty impressive, I expected a lot less.
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Duran has obviously got potential, but Ł18m worth of potential? I'm not sure on that. 40 odd games for him in the Championship at a team in the top 6 would be a good indicator though.
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More important than all of that, if Watkins broke his leg the day after the window closed what sort of player would Villa need, for this squad, to step in and fill the gap?
A combination of Harry Kane and Rudy Gestede.
Ivan Toney would be very good in our team I reckon.
I wouldn't bet on that.
Not as much as he might
A striker like Toney would always back himself.
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In my head I had Duran as costing what you'd pay for an instant first team starter, so couldn't see why we'd bunt him down a division so quickly. Then I saw Ł18m and remembered that's what you pay for promising now. My confusion is less to do with age-related bafflement over inflation and more because Villa have long spent relative peanuts on players. Do Premier League rich boys even see Ł18m as anything more than petty cash now?
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In my head I had Duran as costing what you'd pay for an instant first team starter, so couldn't see why we'd bunt him down a division so quickly. Then I saw Ł18m and remembered that's what you pay for promising now. My confusion is less to do with age-related bafflement over inflation and more because Villa have long spent relative peanuts on players. Do Premier League rich boys even see Ł18m as anything more than petty cash now?
It's on a par with what we paid for first teamers Cash, Luiz, Mings, Moreno and Martinez etc.
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Yeah, that's my point. It's big Villa money (at least up until now) but not big Premier League Top (add number here) money.
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't for the fact we've only got one experienced striker in the squad. I think Durán would benefit from a loan, probably in the Championship, but as things stand we're relying on Watkins to do a lot of heavy lifting, Archer to make another big step up, and neither of them to get injured, because then it's over to Durán to make a massive step up, and who knows if he's ready.
Ideally we'd have someone in between Watkins and Archer in terms of experience, which relives pressure on Archer, allows Watkins to not have to play every game, and leaves room for Durán to go on loan, or, be used the same as he was last season, and slowly build up his playing time.
I mentioned it before but my main concern at the moment with Durán would be his conditioning. He missed internationals at the end of the season because of something other than injury, so managing that could hinder his growth too.
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
Don't think so mate, they've got to be at the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. He signed in January this year, so three years with us would be January 2026. He'll be 22 then.
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Duran has obviously got potential, but Ł18m worth of potential? I'm not sure on that. 40 odd games for him in the Championship at a team in the top 6 would be a good indicator though.
Duran is not being loaned out to a championship team is he for how I understand football. So he is here for Villa.
I can't see it at all this lower level loan for why? That would actually be a complete waste of time and an asset because he wouldn't learn anything meaningful from it playing in a league that doesn't match the Premier league in ability and playing styles of teams
If he goes on loan I don't see the benefits of it being to a european team. He's trying to find his feet in the British game so a Champioship team is the only loan that really makes sense if we are set on him staying at Villa.
That would actually be a complete waste of time and lose this asset because he wouldn't learn anything meaningful from it playing in a league that doesn't match the Premier league in ability and playing styles of teams
Actually comsider it does more harm than good since for such an experience.
I'm able to consdier things here of someone adapting and so sending him to somewhere else in England is not right as he has to adapt again to another regional culture and area.
Those championing a loan haven't!
Ok if you want to insist he were to be loaned out, it would probably be to a Spanish-speaking European team where he has the language and play-style.
I continue to believe he will play here next season and add that, should he receives playing time, he will score 10+ goals.
The team has signed a striker who will be available when needed and can perform under Emery
What he can learn he can do all that under Emery tutorials and getting a feel for the club and the players and surroundings.
I don't see the need to push him out the door to Yorkshire or Norfolk and there's no reason to rush him in to team so I can see him at Villa as a good fit for his playing potential staying here. Mark my words this guy has tremendous ability and a real gem
I'm very certain about that as understand the profile of Duran and he can become a superstar.
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
Don't think so mate, they've got to be at the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. He signed in January this year, so three years with us would be January 2026. He'll be 22 then.
Only by a month, I'm not sure how it works for edge cases but with U21 they often qualify with born after a set date rather than going on actual birthdays.
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
Don't think so mate, they've got to be at the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. He signed in January this year, so three years with us would be January 2026. He'll be 22 then.
I thought it was 3 years before the age of 21? I know there's other rules for Europe about academy players.
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
Don't think so mate, they've got to be at the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. He signed in January this year, so three years with us would be January 2026. He'll be 22 then.
I thought it was 3 years before the age of 21? I know there's other rules for Europe about academy players.
There are rules for women who still insist they are 21!
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
Don't think so mate, they've got to be at the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. He signed in January this year, so three years with us would be January 2026. He'll be 22 then.
I thought it was 3 years before the age of 21? I know there's other rules for Europe about academy players.
No point in having a rule if you can break it by a month I guess.
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I think we got him in young enough that he'll count as home-grown by the time he's 21, so if he actually comes good then it will probably prove a canny investment.
Don't think so mate, they've got to be at the club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. He signed in January this year, so three years with us would be January 2026. He'll be 22 then.
I thought it was 3 years before the age of 21? I know there's other rules for Europe about academy players.
No point in having a rule if you can break it by a month I guess.
It comes down to transfer windows though, if we could've signed him 5 weeks earlier he'd be home-grown but because he was born in December rather than February we lose that option. That seems like the sort of thing that could create problems, which is why they go with cut-off dates for most age-group decisions.
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Duran isn't in the squad for the USA trip? Forwards listed are Archer, Watkins and Bailey. I'd consider Bailer more as a winger.? We really need a new striker in fast.....
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Interesting , is that a typing error / omission or is Duran not part of the squad this season ? Or is he having extra time off ?
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He must be off on loan somewhere for first team football.
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Interesting , is that a typing error / omission or is Duran not part of the squad this season ? Or is he having extra time off ?
Wouldn't be surprised to hear that he is about to go out on a season loan, it should do him the world of good as he doesn't look ready yet for the first team on a regular basis.
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Duran isn't in the squad for the USA trip? Forwards listed are Archer, Watkins and Bailey. I'd consider Bailer more as a winger.? We really need a new striker in fast.....
I'm more surprised to see Bailey there given he only ended his season last week.
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Bailey had plenty of time off during last season, last thing he needs is another summer break
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I would think that Bailey is probably only too aware that he needs to get his arse in gear this season. Also, where's Bert? Injured by any chance?
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I would think that Bailey is probably only too aware that he needs to get his arse in gear this season. Also, where's Bert? Injured by any chance?
Redecorating his flat?
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I would think that Bailey is probably only too aware that he needs to get his arse in gear this season. Also, where's Bert? Injured by any chance?
Redecorating his flat?
Why? Looked fine as it was! ;)
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I would think that Bailey is probably only too aware that he needs to get his arse in gear this season. Also, where's Bert? Injured by any chance?
Wasn't it rumoured that a Turkish club wanted to buy him?
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Davis / Hause?
Are they just stuck in limbo until someone wants them?
I would imagine the championship will come calling closer to the window shutting
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Duran is in Barcelona right now
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Block booking seats?
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So those seniors not in the squad for States;
Hause
Wesley
Davis
Nakamba
Duran
Traore
Any others?
Wonder if a few might figure at Solihull tonight alongside Tim etc
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Isn't Hause still injured? Either way, he won't be involved again.
Of the others only Duran and Traore are slight surprises. I thought Duran may have been given the pre-season. I guess Emery has seen enough of Bert and he's out.
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Bert's injured apparently.
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Wasn't there talk when we signed him of the second half of the season being about acclimatising him, with a view to loan him out this season?
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Wasn't there talk when we signed him of the second half of the season being about acclimatising him, with a view to loan him out this season?
Not that I recall. I guess it would make sense, but there was nothing official that I remember.
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So those seniors not in the squad for States;
Hause
Wesley
Davis
Nakamba
Duran
Traore
Any others?
Wonder if a few might figure at Solihull tonight alongside Tim etc
I’m lead to believe that Tim has another niggle having also had groin op in summer. May be rested for few weeks unfortunately
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Is Dendonker on the plane ?
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Is Dendonker on the plane ?
Yes
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Is Dendonker on the plane ?
Yes
good , i think we should keep him as part of the squad
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Duran is not signing for Espanyol, he's just on holiday in Barcelona this week. https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1681720974075469825
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Bailey had plenty of time off during last season, last thing he needs is another summer break
Yep, I'm sure having a break last summer will help him this year.
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Given that Duran was indicated as being on international duty, he must be given a longer length of time for a holiday and he's still very much finding his feet,.
So should we anticipate seeing him in the summer series?
It appears that he might or might not join the squad on America. I do hope he is afforded some minutes
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So those seniors not in the squad for States;
Hause
Wesley
Davis
Nakamba
Duran
Traore
Any others?
Wonder if a few might figure at Solihull tonight alongside Tim etc
Thank You for the insight on those left out. Very telling.
Nakamba has been sold already.
Other than Duran the others would likely be offloaded.
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Given that Duran was indicated as being on international duty, he must be given a longer length of time for a holiday and he's still very much finding his feet,.
So should we anticipate seeing him in the summer series?
It appears that he might or might not join the squad on America. I do hope he is afforded some minutes
He hasn’t been in the last two Colombia squads, and last played for them in March.
If he was going to play in the US he’d have gone with the rest of them in the first place.
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Also posted on twitter some photos of him travelling back ages ago - clearly he's going on loan somewhere.
That'd make sense, somewhere in the Championship.
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He's miles off ready for the Prem. Thats the harsh reality.
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He hasn’t been in the last two Colombia squads, and last played for them in March.
If he was going to play in the US he’d have gone with the rest of them in the first place.
He was supposed to go with the U21s in May but we didn't release him. And then there was something where he has muscle overload or something like that, can't remember if that came from the Colombian team or us. But yeah, there's a lot of questions about him really, not just can he cut it in the Prem.
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Seemed an odd transfer at the time, and big money for a kid, a bit like Chukwuemeka to Chelsea. One that was underway before Emery arrived so not one he had much to do with.
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Seemed an odd transfer at the time, and big money for a kid, a bit like Chukwuemeka to Chelsea. One that was underway before Emery arrived so not one he had much to do with.
There were an awful lot of big names linked with him before we signed him, whether any of them were actually interested or not I don't know, but you'd have to assume he has something about him.
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I think the deal was too far gone for Emery to apply the brakes. Strange one indeed for that level of money for a kid who only played in Colombia and the shocking MLS league.
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I reckon he just needed a longer break having been playing a different league season before joining us and not having had a break. He's not critical for us so getting a breather will be good for him.
Being in Barcelona will mean he's in the right time zone, gets to speak Spanish (I know) and relax.
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I think the deal was too far gone for Emery to apply the brakes. Strange one indeed for that level of money for a kid who only played in Colombia and the shocking MLS league.
Emery had two months to stop it if he wasn’t happy, and as we all know, it’s not done till it’s all signed and he’s through the door.
Being as Emery has complete say on footballing matters, if he didn’t want to spend the money on him it wouldn’t have happened.
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I reckon he just needed a longer break having been playing a different league season before joining us and not having had a break. He's not critical for us so getting a breather will be good for him.
Being in Barcelona will mean he's in the right time zone, gets to speak Spanish (I know) and relax.
I think you’ve got that completely about face. The MLS season runs to the end of October, so he was on a break when we signed him. He’s therefore barely played in 9 months, he hardly needs any more time off.
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He needs the loan sorting ASAP and knuckle down to training at his new club
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Fully expect him to go out on loan now with Diaby signed.
Ollie
Diaby
Cam
Duran
That's the current pecking order for CF position.
He looked lively in his cameos but simply not ready to start 3-4 games in a month if Ollie picks up an injury so a loan to Spain or Portugal will do him good.
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Hasn’t his agent been saying he’s not going on loan and is going to be part of the squad?
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Hasn’t his agent been saying he’s not going on loan and is going to be part of the squad?
Even if his agent said that , he might not know as he won't be making the decision
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Loans are the most obvious and often the best way to develop players, but clubs sometimes would rather keep a player around the first team and gradually give them more and more minutes.
Man City did with Foden. Southampton at one stage didn't send anyone out on loan when they had quite a few coming through.
Emery may have decided that he wants Duran around and the Conference League could be a good way of giving him minutes. Now I've said that, he'll probably go out on loan tomorrow now.
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Fully expect him to go out on loan now with Diaby signed.
Ollie
Diaby
Cam
Duran
That's the current pecking order for CF position.
He looked lively in his cameos but simply not ready to start 3-4 games in a month if Ollie picks up an injury so a loan to Spain or Portugal will do him good.
Think it will be between Duran and Archer fir that 3rd striker spot and the other will go out on loan. If a Prem club wanted Cam Archer on loan, then that might be a very good opportunity for al, parties.
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he looked miles off it in his cameos last season. He did kick Luke Shaw for bantz though so credit due there
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Fully expect him to go out on loan now with Diaby signed.
Ollie
Diaby
Cam
Duran
That's the current pecking order for CF position.
He looked lively in his cameos but simply not ready to start 3-4 games in a month if Ollie picks up an injury so a loan to Spain or Portugal will do him good.
Think it will be between Duran and Archer fir that 3rd striker spot and the other will go out on loan. If a Prem club wanted Cam Archer on loan, then that might be a very good opportunity for al, parties.
Archer going nowhere hence why he's in the main squad in the US
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Fully expect him to go out on loan now with Diaby signed.
Ollie
Diaby
Cam
Duran
That's the current pecking order for CF position.
He looked lively in his cameos but simply not ready to start 3-4 games in a month if Ollie picks up an injury so a loan to Spain or Portugal will do him good.
Think it will be between Duran and Archer fir that 3rd striker spot and the other will go out on loan. If a Prem club wanted Cam Archer on loan, then that might be a very good opportunity for al, parties.
Archer going nowhere hence why he's in the main squad in the US
Agree that of the two, it looks like Cam Archer is ahead of Duran in the pecking order. Thimgs might change though if we get another striker in.
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Duran offers a physical presence that we otherwise lack up front. Emery likes his options and spoke last season of wanting a striker who offered something different.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Duran is in the squad next season, unless we sign another physical beast instead.
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Does anyone know what the "muscle overload" he had at the end of the season means? Given how little he played it seems an odd thing to be troubled with, unless it's something else other than what it sounds like?
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he looked miles off it in his cameos last season. He did kick Luke Shaw for bantz though so credit due there
Dunno...he almost broke the bar with a thunderbolt at Citeh and didn't he force Ramsdale into a good save when we were 2-1 down to Arsenal?
Yes, he's raw and needs to be cuter about avoiding fouls/yellow cards, never mind a long run of games at a decent level. I wouldn't write him off but I don't think he'll get enough game time here next season unless it's the early rounds of the Carabao and dead-rubbers in the Conference.
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Archer > Duran.
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You never know how players at that age will go, when Archer was Duran's age he was struggling to do much at Solihull.
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There were mitigating factors there. Injury then a new manager.
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Archer's definitely way ahead of him, but that doesn't mean Duran has nothing to offer.
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I’d say their situations are a lot different so comparisons are a bit pointless. 21 year old Archer, who’s a local lad come through the academy has shown enough on loan and for England in the past 12 months to have earned the right to be amongst Villas attacking options for next season, especially with the likely extra games. I was starting to doubt this time last year but he’s done great since.
19 year old Duran, who has played in the MLS a bit and also a little for his country has come over here only 6 months ago, and had a few sniffs of PL football, and has looked raw but quite dangerous on occasion. He clearly needs to get plenty of football over here, probably at Championship level so we should be loaning him out for the season.
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Whilst he's looked raw, he also looks like he has no fear and that will take him a long way.
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Yes Lee, i think he's much more likely to make it than not. I just think that he's very much still in the development stage whereas Archer is pretty much at the now or never stage and i think he's shown enough to get his chance, it's up to him to grab it next season.
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I agree about Archer being much further along and deserving his break, but with a manager like Emery, it's not about that, it's about who brings the attributes he's looking for to meet a given plan.
Archer and Duran offer different things, and so it isn't necessarily a case of one or the other, it's a case of will each individual give him an advantage for a particular game. There is more overlap between Archer and Watkins in my opinion, than between Duran and those two.
In physical games, when we are not a particular large side, having a big, physically imposing CF to bring on is a nice option to have. So the question isn't Archer v Duran, it's more whether or not we will be able to give Duran enough opportunity to develop his other areas.
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That's not going to happen this season for Duran though. Surely if Emery was intent on using him he'd have tken him on the US tour?
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Depends why he hasn't gone. I think he's got the raw tools from what little we've seen to be a decent player, but needs some consistent football.
Archer is clearly ahead, but I'm not convinced he does the role that Emery is looking for from a 9. Interesting if he gets a couple of starts soon.
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If Archer doesn't give Emery what he wants from a 9, there's no chance he'll be looking to Duran for it. He's not on the tour, and is incredibly green.
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In my opinion, Duran is no different really from all the other promising kids that we've been hoovering up, he just cost a lot more. I can't see any reason why Emery would prioritise him being in the team over any other young player to be honest.
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In my opinion, Duran is no different really from all the other promising kids that we've been hoovering up, he just cost a lot more. I can't see any reason why Emery would prioritise him being in the team over any other young player to be honest.
Not many of those kids are already full internationals for a pretty decent country.
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In my opinion, Duran is no different really from all the other promising kids that we've been hoovering up, he just cost a lot more. I can't see any reason why Emery would prioritise him being in the team over any other young player to be honest.
Not many of those kids are already full internationals for a pretty decent country.
Well he hasn't played recently, but in any case, Colombia don't seem to have a vintage crop of forwards. They've got Diaz from Liverpool on 9 goals, and then nobody else with more than 3. They've even had to use 37 year old Falcao again.
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He played for them in March and I think they've only played 2 friendlies since.
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He played for them in March and I think they've only played 2 friendlies since.
And weren't those friendlies at the time he was supposed to play for them in the U20 World Cup?
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I don't want him learning somewhere else.
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How is he going to learn with us though?
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He offers something different to what we have in both Watkins and Archer - although young and raw he does have the ability to come on and rough up tired defenders.
Unless a readymade experienced version comes in i would keep him
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How is he going to learn with us though?
Playing with our players, in our system, with our manager and coaches, and in cup games. I could see him and Archer playing together too.
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Based on John Townley’s latest interview neither Cam or Big Jhon will be going out on loan. At least that’s the plan right now.
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Unai Emery:
"We’re not speaking about the possibility of him going on loan. He's a player we’ll need because he’s our second striker with Cameron Archer & we have to use both as well and we have to give them chances to help us”
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I think that is good news. The key thing would we trust either in European games or if Watkins got injured and the answer is yes.
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Sounds like we aren't signing another striker then. I think that could be costly in terms of success this season.
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That'll be an opportunity missed if we don't.
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I'm delighted we're keeping him as he will be perfect for the cup outings and European fixtures to get him some game time BUT heading into a season with only Watkins as a proven premier league striker is VERY risky and will come back to haunt us just like the goalkeeper situation will. We're overloaded with midfielders when we need forward options and a no.2/3 keeper as an absolute necessity
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That'll be an opportunity missed if we don't.
I think so, seems a bit of a risk risk. I'm delighted with the summer business so far, but I'd have thought if we were going to do that, we'd have got somebody in who can play anywhere along the front line, like a Zaha type. Archer has shown he can do it consistently in the Championship, and Duran hasn't really shown anything much at all yet, so relying on either of those two at Premier League level is a huge risk. As paul_e said the other day, Diaby has never really played as a 9, and looks a bit small for it anyway.
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That'll be an opportunity missed if we don't.
I think so, seems a bit of a risk risk. I'm delighted with the summer business so far, but I'd have thought if we were going to do that, we'd have got somebody in who can play anywhere along the front line, like a Zaha type. Archer has shown he can do it consistently in the Championship, and Duran hasn't really shown anything much at all yet, so relying on either of those two at Premier League level is a huge risk. As paul_e said the other day, Diaby has never really played as a 9, and looks a bit small for it anyway.
Emery said in his press conference the other day that Diaby can - in his opinion - play across the front line, so maybe that's his thinking
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I'm delighted we're keeping him as he will be perfect for the cup outings and European fixtures to get him some game time BUT heading into a season with only Watkins as a proven premier league striker is VERY risky and will come back to haunt us just like the goalkeeper situation will. We're overloaded with midfielders when we need forward options and a no.2/3 keeper as an absolute necessity
You can be reasonable then.
I wouldn't disagree entirely, but if Emery thinks it's fine and backs himself to make it work, like he did in January, then I'm good with it too.
And I think we'll get another keeper anyway.
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I too am happy Jhon is staying, yes he's raw but I like the chaos potential he brings and think once he gets going he could be sensational, he's got something about him and I want to see more of it.
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It sounds ok to me, certainly until Jan anyway. Watkins has been excellent and the younger 2 can get some chances early in the season. I'm pretty sure both know where the back of the net is if they get chances anyway, we don't look bad in terms of the creative side with Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Diaby although that is assuming Coutinho gets fit, Buendia plays like he did against Newcastle the other day and Diaby hits the ground running. So it might be worth getting someone else in there especially if we don't think Coutinho is going to do it or if we can get a decent fee for Bailey.
Agree with everyone else on the keeper though, if we don't do anything there it will be madness.
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I too am happy Jhon is staying, yes he's raw but I like the chaos potential he brings and think once he gets going he could be sensational, he's got something about him and I want to see more of it.
Chaos potential is the sort of thing Burnley will be striving for . We wont be successful if we are throwing Duran on to nick a goal .
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Never underestimate the value of chaos. It unsettles people, induces mistakes.
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Every team in the world has the potential to have to do something along those lines if things aren't going to plan and a loss needs to become a draw or a draw into a win. Even the likes of Man City.
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Every team in the world has the potential to have to do something along those lines if things aren't going to plan and a loss needs to become a draw or a draw into a win. Even the likes of Man City.
I recall a game years ago when Bingo was Dortmund manager and they were a couple of goals down late in a Champions League knockout game against Porto. He had them playing a ridiculous formation with the centre halves up front and they got the job done, Porto had been totally in control until that point.
I think Lambert tried to copy it against Bradford in the League Cup semi in a typically inept fashion, like me trying to emulate a michellin starred chef.
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I too am happy Jhon is staying, yes he's raw but I like the chaos potential he brings and think once he gets going he could be sensational, he's got something about him and I want to see more of it.
I don't think he's done that yet though. He's only had short cameos of course, but other than the shot against Man City that hit the bar, I haven't really seen anything. Certainly not any chaos or panic in the opposing defence.
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Yeah, the balance was a bit wrong that night from memory. I think Unai would come up with a decent plan though, tactically he already looks the best we've had.
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Every team in the world has the potential to have to do something along those lines if things aren't going to plan and a loss needs to become a draw or a draw into a win. Even the likes of Man City.
I recall a game years ago when Bingo was Dortmund manager and they were a couple of goals down late in a Champions League knockout game against Porto. He had them playing a ridiculous formation with the centre halves up front and they got the job done, Porto had been totally in control until that point.
I think Lambert tried to copy it against Bradford in the League Cup semi in a typically inept fashion, like me trying to emulate a michellin starred chef.
When we got Lambert, he was supposed to be a tactical genius who could alter things on the fly and win games. Utter bollocks, he'd just inherited Grant Holt who as too good for League 1 and 2, and had one good season in the Premier. Proper bloke that he was.
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Yeah, getting a real man can take you far in the lower leagues.
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Never underestimate the value of chaos. It unsettles people, induces mistakes.
Maybe that was the thinking with the club crests
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Never underestimate the value of chaos. It unsettles people, induces mistakes.
Maybe that was the thinking with the club crests
It worked on you!
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Anyway, I like that he puts himself about, has confidence and no lack of ability. Given some games I think he'll do very well thank you.
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Booting Luke Shaw off the ball just to see what reaction it would get , does this equal chaos ?
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Booting Luke Shaw off the ball just to see what reaction it would get , does this equal chaos ?
Yes, and I fully endorse such actions
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He's shown aggression and physicality when he's come on, and he's only ever been brought on in the dying minutes just to cause disruptions and unsettle. So I think it's really hard to judge his real ability when we've only seen him in the scrappy, dying embers of a game.
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Booting Luke Shaw off the ball just to see what reaction it would get , does this equal chaos ?
Yes, and I fully endorse such actions
Absolutely. A huge chunk of the Ł18m has already been paid back
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Imagine if he'd scored with that shot in the 91st minute when it was 2-2 between us and Arsenal at VP?
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Imagine if he'd scored with that shot in the 91st minute when it was 2-2 between us and Arsenal at VP?
I'd already left to beat the traffic. By the time i got back to my car it had all gone Pete Tongue
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Watkins, Johnson, Archer and Duran would be a pretty useful forward resource for - hopefully - a long season. Each offers a little something different.
Without Johnson in the mix it looks a little light, and Emery is taking a bit of a risk assuming that Diaby can play across the front line ...
... he should, however, know!
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Johnson isn't a striker
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Imagine if he'd scored with that shot in the 91st minute when it was 2-2 between us and Arsenal at VP?
I'd already left to beat the traffic. By the time i got back to my car it had all gone Pete Tongue
Yer did right, cock.
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Johnson isn't a striker
He's not a Carew-esque striker, for sure, but he can play a forward role as well as playing wide. As you'll know, the binary definition of 'striker' these days seems to apply less and less as teams experiment with 'false nines' and attacking midfielders.
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Unai Emery:
"We’re not speaking about the possibility of him going on loan. He's a player we’ll need because he’s our second striker with Cameron Archer & we have to use both as well and we have to give them chances to help us”
As I suspected
Now let us look forward to his 10+ goals season.
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You're so swoony the way you're always right with your evaluations and research.
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You're so swoony the way you're always right with your evaluations and research.
We all have our moments! Think I just sometimes like defend my knowledge as often get ridicules. Believe me I don't get it all right and no better or worse than anyone else.
Like Konsa says we are a family.
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Would you like a cookie?
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Yes please, if there’s any going!
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Would you like a cookie?
Accepted
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Unai Emery:
"We’re not speaking about the possibility of him going on loan. He's a player we’ll need because he’s our second striker with Cameron Archer & we have to use both as well and we have to give them chances to help us”
As I suspected
Now let us look forward to his 10+ goals season.
Archer ?
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Cookies for everyone!🍪
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Hurrah!
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Cookies for everyone!🍪
Vegan option?
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Johnson??
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Would you like a cookie?
yes please
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Would you like a cookie?
Any triple chocolate chip ones left?
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You're so swoony the way you're always right with your evaluations and research.
We all have our moments! Think I just sometimes like defend my knowledge as often get ridicules. Believe me I don't get it all right and no better or worse than anyone else.
Like Konsa says we are a family.
What is the saying. If you throw enough s*** at the fan, some of it sticks. or something to that effect.
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Unai Emery:
"We’re not speaking about the possibility of him going on loan. He's a player we’ll need because he’s our second striker with Cameron Archer & we have to use both as well and we have to give them chances to help us”
As I suspected
Now let us look forward to his 10+ goals season.
You suspected that Archer wouldn’t go on loan again. Fair play, I think you were the only one that thought that would happen.
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I think we still need to see how things pan out before giving out the gold stars, I think Unai as respectful as he seems has the capability to be ruthless as well, so if the right incoming came up there could be changes of plan re: loanees.
The very little I’ve seen of him he’s looked a handful and there was at least the one not far off a wonder strike, I’ve not quite got how others have concluded he’s not at the races when he hasn’t been allowed to start one?
Forgive me it’s probably earlier in the thread, but I had to check, 129 mins over 12 Substitute appearances and no starts, he’s hardly had chance to find his feet has he?
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So where the fuck is he - no mention apart from an injury, although we do not seemingly know what the injury is or where he got it from
All very strange
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Cookies for everyone!🍪
Vegan option?
No. Can I have yours?
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So where the fuck is he - no mention apart from an injury, although we do not seemingly know what the injury is or where he got it from
All very strange
Is it still the "muscle overload" that was given as the reason he missed the U21s internationals at the end of the season? Even that was vague, and I think came from Colombia rather than us.
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Colombian hallucinations
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So where the fuck is he - no mention apart from an injury, although we do not seemingly know what the injury is or where he got it from
All very strange
Maybe he's been sent to Coventry.
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So where the fuck is he - no mention apart from an injury, although we do not seemingly know what the injury is or where he got it from
All very strange
He's with his brother in Rio
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Raises more questions than it answer's
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So where the fuck is he - no mention apart from an injury, although we do not seemingly know what the injury is or where he got it from
All very strange
He's with his brother in Rio
wonder if he's dancing on the sand
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Raises more questions than it answer's
Is there something you should know?
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He's wild, boys.
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Are we sure he’s on planet earth?
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His location
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Back in training according to pictures on Pravda...
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fucking hell...he's alive
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3vQFKnacAE3mNh?format=webp&name=small)
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Looking good and that's a pretty nice shirt too.
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2 minutes later the sweat was lashing down off him
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Duran's alive?!
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To paraphrase for a terrible pun - he was lost and he's found and in that shirt he may end up smelling like he sounds.
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Didn't realise he was alive on Planet Earth
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loan him to Rotherham
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Well done young man, Hopefully the first of many.
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I think so he seems hungry like the wolf.
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Good finish.
If only he could teach Watkins that...
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Dare I say it, he reminds me of Peter Withe, clumsy but effective
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Unit
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1693283754150650204?s=61&t=5gNHKFDBiIG50p8ei1L0Vg
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The goal today reminded me a bit (and only a bit) of Christian Benteke's first Villa goal against Swansea.
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He’s an exciting raw talent. There’s definitely a player in there.
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Was hoping he’d get his first goal soon so chuffed to see it.
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Was his celebration a bit weird? Looked like he was staring down the crowd a little bit before he did the rocking a baby thing.
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So pleased for this lad. You could see how much that meant to him
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Good finish.
After an awful touch
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He can have as many awful touches as he likes if the end product is the same as today's.
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Good finish.
After an awful touch
2nd touch was better
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The awful touch was because his studs got caught in the turf, which is more unlucky than it is by resign. Did well to recover.
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Pleased for him, thought he'd fucked it after that touch but a calm finish.
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He certainly finished his chance well.
I think it was interesting or telling that he got on ahead of Archer, especially since he's had no pre season.
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Loved it when he chased back then put it out with a slide tackle, can't fault his enthusiasm and it's nice to see, I still think we desperately need a new striker though, to challenge/replace Watkins. Then either Duran or Archer stay as thrid choice, and the other go on loan.
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Was his celebration a bit weird? Looked like he was staring down the crowd a little bit before he did the rocking a baby thing.
We are with you Dendoncker.
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Good finish.
After an awful touch
I can take that if he scores via his own through ball... 😉
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Does Ashley Young get an assist?
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Really glad he scored will do his confidence no harm, but we do need another striker.
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I'm so pleased he's got his first goal for us.
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He looks like a nightmare to play against - his strength and power will cause defenders problems. Just needs finessing.
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He looks like a nightmare to play against - his strength and power will cause defenders problems. Just needs finessing.
I agree. There is something Benteke like about him, often looks clumsy and barely a footballer but when beast mode is activated there’s not much any defence can do. Let’s just hope Duran has a Beast mode. He’s certainly a unit.
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Did he take a knock last night as I thought it was really strange he was subbed what with Hibs being the obvious game to give him 90 minutes and no need to risk Watkins.
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Did he take a knock last night as I thought it was really strange he was subbed what with Hibs being the obvious game to give him 90 minutes and no need to risk Watkins.
I have a suspicion that he's not a 90 minute player.
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Did he take a knock last night as I thought it was really strange he was subbed what with Hibs being the obvious game to give him 90 minutes and no need to risk Watkins.
I have a suspicion that he's not a 90 minute player.
Our last Colombian was great for 60 minutes then turned to mush but I put that down to him playing 3 or 4 years without a proper break. Maybe the idea was to give Watkins a bit of confidence for the weekend though if Big Jhon isn't a 90 minute player we have a problem. At that age and with his strength he should be fit enough to run up to Anfield.
The great goal apart I thought neither him or Watkins showed much mobility when we had the ball. Hopefully it was just energy saving.
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Did he take a knock last night as I thought it was really strange he was subbed what with Hibs being the obvious game to give him 90 minutes and no need to risk Watkins.
I have a suspicion that he's not a 90 minute player.
If he can't do ninety minutes at nineteen-years-old I have no idea why he chose football as a career.
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Did he take a knock last night as I thought it was really strange he was subbed what with Hibs being the obvious game to give him 90 minutes and no need to risk Watkins.
I have a suspicion that he's not a 90 minute player.
If he can't do ninety minutes at nineteen-years-old I have no idea why he chose football as a career.
Just to expand on this, my thinking is mainly based on the fact he was left out of, or sent home from, the Colombian squad earlier in the summer because of "muscle overload". Given how little he played for us last season it seemed an odd complaint to have.
It is possible that it's a development thing, that he wasn't looked after properly in the US, or he bulked up too much too soon, or had a small injury that wasn't treated right, or any number of things. So while it's possible he's not a 90 minute player at the moment, I'd hope with the set up we have at Villa he'll get to be a 90 minute player.
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He was blowing for 5 mins before he came off.
Looks like he’s needs to build up his stamina to do the full 90. Did he miss some of pre-season training?
Also enjoyed seeing him giving the dummy hand up to their centre half last night. Good to see a competitive ruthless edge
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He was blowing for 5 mins before he came off.
Looks like he’s needs to build up his stamina to do the full 90. Did he miss some of pre-season training?
Also enjoyed seeing him giving the dummy hand up to their centre half last night. Good to see a competitive ruthless edge
Missed most of the preseason didn't he? Definitely wasn't on the US trip.
If you go back 2 pages in this thread there's a post from Aug17th which seems to be the first sighting of him in training.
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He reminds me of a traction engine not necessarily a shot like one and if you’re in his path you’re going to be flattened.
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Like the look of the lad. 2 goals already this season. He looks aggressive and strong.
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Like the look of the lad. 2 goals already this season. He looks aggressive and strong.
Agreed, two years younger than Archer and he's already made an impact. Not to discredit Cam, just mentioned for some perspective.
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Yes, he’s young, and raw, but he doesn’t seem fazed.
The two goals he’s scored have both been really well taken, especially the Hibs goal, which was top drawer.
He’s no lightweight, either, and, although we haven’t seen it, I think he might very well have a bit of an edge to his game, so can’t see him being pushed around.
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Did he take a knock last night as I thought it was really strange he was subbed what with Hibs being the obvious game to give him 90 minutes and no need to risk Watkins.
I have a suspicion that he's not a 90 minute player.
I think it was because the game was like a training session, so Unai just wanted to give Ollie a run out.
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At the time my thinking was Emery wanted a look at how Kellyman played with a different front man. Don't know if that is true, but it makes a pleasant change to now have a control of games such that we can do these things. It's been a long time coming.
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Yes, he’s young, and raw, but he doesn’t seem fazed.
The two goals he’s scored have both been really well taken, especially the Hibs goal, which was top drawer.
He’s no lightweight, either, and, although we haven’t seen it, I think he might very well have a bit of an edge to his game, so can’t see him being pushed around.
I liked his goal against Hibs as well, automatically knew where the goalposts were!!
Many a player wouldn't have tried a shot in that position.
Encouraging.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
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The ‘not fazed’ thing is something I’ve noticed. I don’t think missing a chance will bother him at all. Fitting into a tactical master plan might be slightly tougher as he seems a free spirit.
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I really like what I see here. Big, strong, good touch and took those goals well. Has some short on him too. Remember Man City away when he blasted a long one against the woodwork.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
I think Drummond means the potential, the athlete, rather than how good he currently is. Ł18m isn’t much nowadays so you’re either buying a Maupay or a raw youngster at that price.
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He and Zaniolo are two that we’ve signed who could be great or could do fuck all but I think they were both worth a punt for the money involved.
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He and Zaniolo are two that we’ve signed who could be great or could do fuck all but I think they were both worth a punt for the money involved.
The highlights of some Galatasary game popped up on YouTube yesterday and Zaniolo was the thumbnail so I watched it. Scored two cracking goals and I thought even if he does that once for us we'd probably love him forever.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
In fairness Ł15m isn’t much a risk these days. Especially on a promising youngster.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
Agreed
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
In fairness Ł15m isn’t much a risk these days. Especially on a promising youngster.
Ł15m now probably gets a League 1 striker who got 10 goals last season.
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Wasn't it Ł18m?
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
In fairness Ł15m isn’t much a risk these days. Especially on a promising youngster.
Ł15m now probably gets a League 1 striker who got 10 goals last season.
His name's Jordan Bowery. And he scored 12 goals, not 10. Show a bit of respect.
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Wasn't it Ł18m?
Ł3m. Meh. Pennies.
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Wasn't it Ł18m?
Ł14.75m plus up to Ł3m in add ons.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
Can you ? I thought he looked like a competition winner when he came on yesterday
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Yesterday his shooting was Tonev-like and his decision-making abysmal. He's young and only part way through his Unaification though so has some time to improve before a decision needs to be made.
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He might come good, he might not. He doesn't look as good as Archer though. Or Philogene for that matter.
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He's also scored 2 goals in how many competitive minutes this season so far? There is something very Paulo Wanchope about him, a player who thrived on unpredictability. I like an unpredictable player in the ranks, especially to come off the bench. He needs a lot more time to form an opinion properly but getting on his back at this point is just daft. And Ł15-Ł18m is fuck all these days, i'm quite sure the worst we'll do is get most of that back at some point.
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He might come good, he might not. He doesn't look as good as Archer though. Or Philogene for that matter.
Given a straight choice between Archer and Duran, it would be archer every time.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
I think Drummond means the potential, the athlete, rather than how good he currently is. Ł18m isn’t much nowadays so you’re either buying a Maupay or a raw youngster at that price.
Absolutely, he has a swagger and self belief that is good to see in one that age. He can finish too.
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You can see why we paid what we did for him.
I think it's a bit soon to be declaring that.
I think Drummond means the potential, the athlete, rather than how good he currently is. Ł18m isn’t much nowadays so you’re either buying a Maupay or a raw youngster at that price.
Absolutely, he has a swagger and self belief that is good to see in one that age. He can finish too.
We looked much more threatening with him on the pitch than with Ollie. If only we could learn one or both of them to shoot good.
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And yet at a similar age Archer was struggling at Solihull in the Confernece. Ollie was slowly making an impact at Exeter in division 4 and as an extreme example, Harry Kane was starting to make the odd sub appearance for Spurs in the PL and had 0 PL goals. It's far too early to know if Duran will make it or will be better or worse than Archer/Watkins.
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He might come ggood, he might not. He doesn't look as good as Archer though. Or Philogene for that matter.
Given a straight choice between Archer and Duran, it would be archer every time.
Yep for all the plaudits Emery has deservedly received since he came I think he's dropped a major bolleck here. I'm quite angry about archer being sold without being given a chance.
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I think the big worry for me is that the better players will think WTF if he continues like he did Sunday. I could see it in Zaniolo's expression.
Duran also looks like he wants to fight everyone. That's fine in division 5 of the Festival League but won't be tolerated at this level.
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Another player where some seem very keen to charge towards judgement. He’s 18/19 and we’ve played 6 games so far this season and he’s scored 2. I get that he struggled yesterday, but he was in a team that was all over the place.
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Another player where some seem very keen to charge towards judgement. He’s 18/19 and we’ve played 6 games so far this season and he’s scored 2. I get that he struggled yesterday, but he was in a team that was all over the place.
His age has little to do with it. Is he ready for the Premiership now? Imo, he isn't. Is/was Archer a better bet as the back up striker? Imo, he is/was. Will Duran make the grade 50/50.
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As someone pointed out yesterday Duran has scored the same number of goals in the Premier League as Archer has, and against the exact same (shit) opposition. The amount of time played is probably something similar too given Duran only makes cameos.
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Cash has the same number as Mo Salah. Don't think Saudi Arabia will be offering Ł200m for him though.
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He had 2 shots on goal, both poor, both went astray, one of them at least was a wrong choice when better options were available
Having said all that it was 2 more than our non scoring super striker
and Duran still has 1 goal to his name this season without playing every minute in every game near enough
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Cash has the same number as Mo Salah. Don't think Saudi Arabia will be offering Ł200m for him though.
Mo Salah has scored way more goals than Cash in the Premier League, and you know that.
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We've invested a lot of money in Duran so it was easier to justify selling Cam than sending Duran on loan.
I loved his goal against Hibs (whisper it but we all know who it reminded us of), but he found the same thing a lot trickier against PL opposition. I'm pretty excited to see him develop but think we'd be massively exposed if Watkins picks up an injury. I'd really like the safety net of having Cam in the squad, but I do accept that's not necessarily the best thing for his development.
Sometimes football & transfers seem easy to us fans, but if no hot prospects were available from Monchi's little black book I wish we'd just gone and bought Brennan Johnson.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
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Nobody knows the buy back price so hard to say
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
I'm not, it's a win-win for them too.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
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Worst case scenarios, but what if he isn't actually all that good, has a shit season, they have a shit season and get relegated, then we're obliged to buy him back for a bit more than they payed us. That doesn't seem like a win for us.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
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If he's as good as a lot think on here it's potentially an awful deal for them. He's great and they go down, they make a couple of million at best, minus signing on fee and wages. And then they have to try and find someone to replace him. It's the agreeing to the relegation clauses I think is daft, not the buy back in general.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
Couldn't we have done the same by loaning him out for a fee?
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And it's manipulating FFP.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
Couldn't we have done the same by loaning him out for a fee?
That's no good for FFP purposes, so you are comparing two different options there.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
Or, looked at another way, if he flops, we're banking almost 20m for a player who has barely been in our first team
It is a clever deal.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
Couldn't we have done the same by loaning him out for a fee?
That's no good for FFP purposes, so you are comparing two different options there.
We didn't need it for FFP this summer. So if this scenario happens we've just lost a few million. I accept the insurance is there if he doesn't do well, it's just this specific circumstance I'm struggling to work out why it's a good deal for us.
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And it's manipulating FFP.
Right, of course. Bank the Ł18m but if we buy back for Ł20 it's Ł4m over 5 years and we have the Ł18m income on our pooks. So restructuring the deal, almost like re-mortgaging.
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Another player where some seem very keen to charge towards judgement. He’s 18/19 and we’ve played 6 games so far this season and he’s scored 2. I get that he struggled yesterday, but he was in a team that was all over the place.
His age has little to do with it. Is he ready for the Premiership now? Imo, he isn't. Is/was Archer a better bet as the back up striker? Imo, he is/was. Will Duran make the grade 50/50.
Maybe, I’ve seen nothing to suggest Cam can play as a lone striker. Duran might be able to.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
Or, looked at another way, if he flops, we're banking almost 20m for a player who has barely been in our first team
It is a clever deal.
I took that part as a given but yes, if he doesn't do well enough for us to want him back it's a nice fee and very helpful for FFP.
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Another player where some seem very keen to charge towards judgement. He’s 18/19 and we’ve played 6 games so far this season and he’s scored 2. I get that he struggled yesterday, but he was in a team that was all over the place.
His age has little to do with it. Is he ready for the Premiership now? Imo, he isn't. Is/was Archer a better bet as the back up striker? Imo, he is/was. Will Duran make the grade 50/50.
Maybe, I’ve seen nothing to suggest Cam can play as a lone striker. Duran might be able to.
We don’t play a lone striker though, we play a version of 4-4-2.
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I still think the way we play has a focal point striker. Maybe Cam can be that in time, but it was the right move for him now. Hopefully he’ll come back in the future.
Duran had a ropey game on Sunday, but it was set up to fail for him. He’s done pretty well so far this season overall.
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I wonder if the reason we let Archer was go was the stupidly good deal. We pretty much can't lose, well unless he's utter shite which is unlikely, and they are relegated, which is likely. I'm surprised Sheff Utd went for the deal as it's stacked so well for us.
Well, we may end up paying them Ł10m or so to lend them a player for a couple of seasons as opposed to them paying us a loan fee. If he does well I'd say it's stacked in their favour not ours. Where we win is if he doesn't make the grade and we pocket the Ł18m, but nobody wants that.
The rumour is that if they're relegated we give them their money back with a little on top. If that's true it's definitely a great deal for us and is only a good deal for them if he scores the goals that keep them up.
How is that a great deal? We would have effectively paid them to borrow our player.
Because we'd be getting back a player worth much more than we sold him for, either to sell again or to add to our squad now he has top flight experience.
Or, looked at another way, if he flops, we're banking almost 20m for a player who has barely been in our first team
It is a clever deal.
But the rumour I have seen is we have to buy him back if they get relegated.
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
Someone said it yesterday, that we have to buy him back if they're relegated, and Legion confirmed it was true.
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
Relegation release clauses for players are common (usually to pair with a wage reduction clause) and they often value the player a lot lower than you'd expect, this is just a case of covering that alongside the buy-back.
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This is what I have read - https://www.yardbarker.com/soccer/articles/details_of_cameron_archer_deal_revealed/s1_17291_39165193
I know its not a reliable source, but at the same time seems a strange thing to make up.
I guess the sense it makes is like a remortgage - we get 18m, and when they go down, the 18m gets spread over 5 years. so were FFP positive?
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
Relegation release clauses for players are common (usually to pair with a wage reduction clause) and they often value the player a lot lower than you'd expect, this is just a case of covering that alongside the buy-back.
I understand that, but it’d be weird to have a relegation clause that obligates the selling club to buy a player back.
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
Relegation release clauses for players are common (usually to pair with a wage reduction clause) and they often value the player a lot lower than you'd expect, this is just a case of covering that alongside the buy-back.
I understand that, but it’d be weird to have a relegation clause that obligates the selling club to buy a player back.
It makes sense from the players point of view, but I'm not sure Archer would have been in a position to demand that went into his contract.
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Not sure why really. I hope Cam has a really brilliant season and we buy him back to play. But let’s say he scores no more goals this season and Sheffield United get relegated. We’re obligated to buy him back, but there’s nothing to suggest he makes it with us. Why is that good for him?
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Not sure why really. I hope Cam has a really brilliant season and we buy him back to play. But let’s say he scores no more goals this season and Sheffield United get relegated. We’re obligated to buy him back, but there’s nothing to suggest he makes it with us. Why is that good for him?
Because it guarantees he gets brought back to a Premier League club, on some level of Premier League wages. A relegation release clause is only useful if someone wants to buy you, and if he doesn't want to be "stuck" in the Championship then he's guaranteed an out. (I'm not saying this is what happened, just that I can see it benefiting the player in that way)
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense for that clause to be included at all, but I'm just going off what Legion, who apparently knows the guy, said was true yesterday.
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
Relegation release clauses for players are common (usually to pair with a wage reduction clause) and they often value the player a lot lower than you'd expect, this is just a case of covering that alongside the buy-back.
I understand that, but it’d be weird to have a relegation clause that obligates the selling club to buy a player back.
Yeah, I agree, I hadn't seen the bit suggesting we HAVE to buy him bac if they go down, that specific bit seems weird on all fronts.
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We’ve also protected ourselves against relegation. If we get relegated, Duran gets put to pasture.
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Oops
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Not sure why really. I hope Cam has a really brilliant season and we buy him back to play. But let’s say he scores no more goals this season and Sheffield United get relegated. We’re obligated to buy him back, but there’s nothing to suggest he makes it with us. Why is that good for him?
Also if he does flop, who is to say anyone will pay anywhere near 18 mil next time? His value will surely drop, so will the plan be to loan him again to build that back up?
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Not sure why really. I hope Cam has a really brilliant season and we buy him back to play. But let’s say he scores no more goals this season and Sheffield United get relegated. We’re obligated to buy him back, but there’s nothing to suggest he makes it with us. Why is that good for him?
Also if he does flop, who is to say anyone will pay anywhere near 18 mil next time? His value will surely drop, so will the plan be to loan him again to build that back up?
He’s not going to flop. He’s a star.
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People keep signing Maupay, we'd have no problem moving Archer on again if needed.
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Not sure why really. I hope Cam has a really brilliant season and we buy him back to play. But let’s say he scores no more goals this season and Sheffield United get relegated. We’re obligated to buy him back, but there’s nothing to suggest he makes it with us. Why is that good for him?
Also if he does flop, who is to say anyone will pay anywhere near 18 mil next time? His value will surely drop, so will the plan be to loan him again to build that back up?
He’s not going to flop. He’s a star.
I don't think he will, I actually thought he would score quite a few for us this season! It's possible though.
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People keep signing Maupay, we'd have no problem moving Archer on again if needed.
You say that but I clearly remember comments when he went to Brighton that were pretty similar to the Archer/Duran comparisons in the last day or so. I know things went badly with Wesley (and lets not reopen that) but I couldn't believe people saw Maupay as the solution. It's felt great over the last few years as everyone else has come to agree with me that he's both shit and an utter prick. Watch him score loads for Brentford now.
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People keep signing Maupay, we'd have no problem moving Archer on again if needed.
You say that but I clearly remember comments when he went to Brighton that were pretty similar to the Archer/Duran comparisons in the last day or so. I know things went badly with Wesley (and lets not reopen that) but I couldn't believe people saw Maupay as the solution. It's felt great over the last few years as everyone else has come to agree with me that he's both shit and an utter prick. Watch him score loads for Brentford now.
Pitarch (and Smith) wanted to sign Maupay, but he thought they wanted too much for him. And he told me that himself.
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People keep signing Maupay, we'd have no problem moving Archer on again if needed.
You say that but I clearly remember comments when he went to Brighton that were pretty similar to the Archer/Duran comparisons in the last day or so. I know things went badly with Wesley (and lets not reopen that) but I couldn't believe people saw Maupay as the solution. It's felt great over the last few years as everyone else has come to agree with me that he's both shit and an utter prick. Watch him score loads for Brentford now.
Pitarch (and Smith) wanted to sign Maupay, but he thought they wanted too much for him. And he told me that himself.
I wanted us to sign Maupay from Brentford because he was always such a C-word to play against.
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And it's manipulating FFP.
Right, of course. Bank the Ł18m but if we buy back for Ł20 it's Ł4m over 5 years and we have the Ł18m income on our pooks. So restructuring the deal, almost like re-mortgaging.
We get to cash the 18m right now, this season, that's the big difference, it is a big deal, and it's for a player who is, what, 22 and not troubled the first team.
It totally makes sense.
If he turns out to be not good enough, we're finding out at someone else's cost in terms of week to week. In that case, we've banked almost 20m for a totally unproven player at our level.
If he turns out to be shit hot over a prolonged season in the PL, then we get to sign him back on terms we agreed with Sheffield United, and there's nothing they can do about it.
That's what clever, big clubs do. That's why even Man City have sold Cole Palmer, a player who has played way, way more for them in top matches than Archer has for us. It is about recognising the immense FFP advantages of selling home grown players.
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There's also an element of Sheff Utd covering their arses in the event of relegation and Archer flopping, and they're not stuck with Rhian Brewster mark 2 on big wages.
There's also the '3 year cycle' of ffp, not sure exactly where we are with it but that 'Ł18m' on the books this year could be handy if it ends this year.
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It's clever. We've finally made it into the other part of the Venn diagram, the one that doesn't overlap the circle that says "Giving a 35 year-old a five-year big money contract."
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It's clever. We've finally made it into the other part of the Venn diagram, the one that doesn't overlap the circle that says "Giving a 35 year-old a five-year big money contract."
Ah the Shay Given Pension Fund.
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People keep signing Maupay, we'd have no problem moving Archer on again if needed.
You say that but I clearly remember comments when he went to Brighton that were pretty similar to the Archer/Duran comparisons in the last day or so. I know things went badly with Wesley (and lets not reopen that) but I couldn't believe people saw Maupay as the solution. It's felt great over the last few years as everyone else has come to agree with me that he's both shit and an utter prick. Watch him score loads for Brentford now.
Pitarch (and Smith) wanted to sign Maupay, but he thought they wanted too much for him. And he told me that himself.
I wanted us to sign Maupay too. And whatever people think of him now, I' sure he would have been a far better option than Wesley.
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And it's manipulating FFP.
Right, of course. Bank the Ł18m but if we buy back for Ł20 it's Ł4m over 5 years and we have the Ł18m income on our pooks. So restructuring the deal, almost like re-mortgaging.
We get to cash the 18m right now, this season, that's the big difference, it is a big deal, and it's for a player who is, what, 22 and not troubled the first team.
It totally makes sense.
If he turns out to be not good enough, we're finding out at someone else's cost in terms of week to week. In that case, we've banked almost 20m for a totally unproven player at our level.
If he turns out to be shit hot over a prolonged season in the PL, then we get to sign him back on terms we agreed with Sheffield United, and there's nothing they can do about it.
That's what clever, big clubs do. That's why even Man City have sold Cole Palmer, a player who has played way, way more for them in top matches than Archer has for us. It is about recognising the immense FFP advantages of selling home grown players.
But we don't need Ł18m now. I understand the re-financing part if we buy him back, but we are not short on FFP this season, so a loan and selling him next season would arguably have been more beneficial.
It seems to me the only circumstance where this benefits us over a loan is if he fails.
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And it's manipulating FFP.
Right, of course. Bank the Ł18m but if we buy back for Ł20 it's Ł4m over 5 years and we have the Ł18m income on our pooks. So restructuring the deal, almost like re-mortgaging.
We get to cash the 18m right now, this season, that's the big difference, it is a big deal, and it's for a player who is, what, 22 and not troubled the first team.
It totally makes sense.
If he turns out to be not good enough, we're finding out at someone else's cost in terms of week to week. In that case, we've banked almost 20m for a totally unproven player at our level.
If he turns out to be shit hot over a prolonged season in the PL, then we get to sign him back on terms we agreed with Sheffield United, and there's nothing they can do about it.
That's what clever, big clubs do. That's why even Man City have sold Cole Palmer, a player who has played way, way more for them in top matches than Archer has for us. It is about recognising the immense FFP advantages of selling home grown players.
But we don't need Ł18m now. I understand the re-financing part if we buy him back, but we are not short on FFP this season, so a loan and selling him next season would arguably have been more beneficial.
It seems to me the only circumstance where this benefits us over a loan is if he fails.
How do you know we aren’t short on FFP?
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
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I don’t really understand that rumour. I get we have a buy back clause, but we’ll trigger that if we think he’s of value to us. Why would Sheffield Utd getting relegated have any bearing on that? Unless there’s a clause that significantly reduces the price to a level that’s essentially a no brainer, but why would Sheffield United or Cam want that?!
Relegation release clauses for players are common (usually to pair with a wage reduction clause) and they often value the player a lot lower than you'd expect, this is just a case of covering that alongside the buy-back.
I understand that, but it’d be weird to have a relegation clause that obligates the selling club to buy a player back.
Yeah, I agree, I hadn't seen the bit suggesting we HAVE to buy him bac if they go down, that specific bit seems weird on all fronts.
It means our player doesn't have to drop down. It means Archer stays a Premier League player. And it means Sheff Utd don't get lumbered with Premier League wages if they go down.
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In pure terms it does. But it also means we get a player back we probably don’t want (if he hasn’t proven himself), he might be a Premier League player but he’s unlikely to be playing unless he moves again, and Sheffield United take a hit on what they paid.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
The problem is created if someone does a 'Mee' on him. Or he just gets fatigued or just has a chronic loss of form. It's the same worry we had in Jan that was bound to be fixed in the summer window. (yeah, I know Diaby adds options, but a 5ft 6 No 9 is not what we had in mind.)
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
Know what you mean, but we've played some utter dross along the way. The games in which we've been thrashed, we've missed chances at critical moments in the game (Newcastle especially). It's those types of chances that you need a clinical finisher to take - Watkins seems to miss more than he scores. Certainly at the moment. I would've liked to see another centre forward in the door as much as a different reserve goalkeeper.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
The problem is created if someone does a 'Mee' on him. Or he just gets fatigued or just has a chronic loss of form. It's the same worry we had in Jan that was bound to be fixed in the summer window. (yeah, I know Diaby adds options, but a 5ft 6 No 9 is not what we had in mind.)
So the problem isn't fixed so long as you ignore the options we added in the summer that help mitigate the risk by moving much of the goalscoring burden away from Watkins and onto numerous other players in the squad?
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We used to have Darren Bent. He could finish in the way people want but he didn't offer much else at all. To find the balance is supremely difficult and it's a very rare beast indeed.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
Know what you mean, but we've played some utter dross along the way. The games in which we've been thrashed, we've missed chances at critical moments in the game (Newcastle especially). It's those types of chances that you need a clinical finisher to take - Watkins seems to miss more than he scores. Certainly at the moment. I would've liked to see another centre forward in the door as much as a different reserve goalkeeper.
The worst misses in those 2 games were a Cash chance vs Newcastle and Bailey and McGinn chances again Liverpool.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
The problem is created if someone does a 'Mee' on him. Or he just gets fatigued or just has a chronic loss of form. It's the same worry we had in Jan that was bound to be fixed in the summer window. (yeah, I know Diaby adds options, but a 5ft 6 No 9 is not what we had in mind.)
So the problem isn't fixed so long as you ignore the options we added in the summer that help mitigate the risk by moving much of the goalscoring burden away from Watkins and onto numerous other players in the squad?
Not if you don't have a striker as a focal point no.
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Those were pretty bad, but Watkins misses chances and it’s a big part of his job to score them - the best teams have a player/s who are clinical and, for all our great qualities (including the great parts of Watkins game) we can be wasteful in front of goal.
I thought the main reason we got thrashed at Newcastle was missing chances at key moments that, had we scored them, would’ve taken the game in a different direction. At Liverpool it was crap all over the pitch. In both cases we are badly affected by in-game injuries.
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Watkins does miss chances and it's frustrating. But the reality is we are a better team with him in it than not. A bit like Mings. If he does get the injury we fear, we'll see.
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Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
We've scored 16 goals in 6 games and from 7 different players, it feels a bit like you're creating a problem there.
The problem is created if someone does a 'Mee' on him. Or he just gets fatigued or just has a chronic loss of form. It's the same worry we had in Jan that was bound to be fixed in the summer window. (yeah, I know Diaby adds options, but a 5ft 6 No 9 is not what we had in mind.)
So the problem isn't fixed so long as you ignore the options we added in the summer that help mitigate the risk by moving much of the goalscoring burden away from Watkins and onto numerous other players in the squad?
Not if you don't have a striker as a focal point no.
Can you pick 1 thing to moan about because you've just massively shifted the goalposts. To take the 2 completely unrelated arguments separately:
Watkins/Duran as the options are not good enough because they don't take their chances as well as we need? In this case, as I said, we've addressed this by moving, very clearly, to expecting a broader spread of goals across the team. This makes the discussion of 'needing' to keep Archer a bit pointless because we are scoring plenty of goals anyway.
Watkins/Duran as the options are not good enough because we'd not have a focal point if Watkins is injured? Do you honestly think Archer addresses this better than Duran? I don't think it's controversial to suggest that a big part of why we were willing to let Archer leave is because he struggles with this specific part of his game and it's something that is incredibly important to Emery.
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I've no idea what you're on about Paul. I answered a post on a football forum.
You accused Chicago of creating a problem because we've scored a few goals against the poorest teams in the league and a Scottish pub side.
I said the problem would be if Watkins got injured.
You said it's no problem because we've signed Diaby
I disagreed.
You went on one of your 'I'm a superior poster' rants.
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I've no idea what you're on about Paul. I answered a post on a football forum.
You accused Chicago of creating a problem because we've scored a few goals against the poorest teams in the league and a Scottish pub side.
I said the problem would be if Watkins got injured.
You said it's no problem because we've signed Diaby
I disagreed.
You went on one of your 'I'm a superior poster' rants.
I said talking about a lack of goals when we've scored 2.667 per game is creating a problem, you're the one finding reasons to turn that into a problem not me.
You did say the problem would be if Watkins got injured but failed to realise that it was in context of selling Archer specifically. You then doubled down on that by going off on a tangent about Watkins getting injured which, again, wouldn't have been addressed by not selling Archer.
That you think me sticking to the context of the discussion is a play at being a superior poster is a bit sad and a comment you've overused to the point where i think you actually think it's true. I'm sorry that you feel so small and useless whenever we have a conversation.
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I answered a post. It's well documented that I think we are light up top and think we'd be exposed if Watkins was injured. You seem to have manufactured the rest to justify your rant.
As 85kota said, it's not an attractive trait.
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I answered a post. It's well documented that I think we are light up top and think we'd be exposed if Watkins was injured. You seem to have manufactured the rest to justify your rant.
As 85kota said, it's not an attractive trait.
Seriously, you need to read the thread before joining the conversation, it would save a lot of time. Here is what I replied to:
Ł18m now for a fringe player makes absolute sense. His profile is high for the u21s, which pushed his value up. If he proves himself then we can get him back for a nominal outlay, if he doesn’t we’ve banked Ł18m for a player who isn’t at the level we need.
Which is great if our forwards perform, with Watkins and Duran who are not natural finishers we could look a bit light in the goal scoring department.
So yes, you "answered a post" but you did it completely ignoring the context it was written in, I pointed that out a few times and instead of understanding that and responding sensibly you threw a strop.
Even worse, I split your posts into 2 very clear complaints (a lack of goals and a lack of focal point) and addressed both of them but somehow that means I'm trying to be superior because how could anyone disagree with you otherwise?
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We used to have Darren Bent. He could finish in the way people want but he didn't offer much else at all. To find the balance is supremely difficult and it's a very rare beast indeed.
Or Danny Ings...though from memory Danny missed a lot of sitters too with us. Watkins got 16 league goals last season, a repeat of that is more than good enough for me and if he play 30-32 games I'd back him. Missed two sitters v Burnley but at least in the right place..assist that day and won peno v Everton. Every striker misses sitters, maybe Ollie more so.
He had a shocker v Liverpool and should have come off sooner but Duran was pub league when he came on.
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The important thing is you’ve given Duran plenty of chance to prove himself bronte. He’s 19, has played about 120 minutes this season and has scored 2 goals.
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I still think there's a problem if Watkins get's injured. And if he does I don't think it's a huge stretch that it would be useful to have Archer in the squad as an option.
But I appreciate I am a maverick with crazy views like that.
Thanks for splitting my post into 2 very clear complaints though. You're doing God's work right there.
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I still think there's a problem if Watkins get's injured. And if he does I don't think it's a huge stretch that it would be useful to have Archer in the squad as an option.
I think we'd have a problem if Watkins got injured but because we'd miss the elements he brings to the team other than his goal scoring.
I think it's as likely one of the other forward/attacking players in the squad could bring those elements in his absence as it is Archer, who we've never seen do it in the Premier League, could bring them.
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I don't think Duran was as bad as people are suggesting against Liverpool. He had a couple of wild efforts that he shanked wide that looked really poor but at least he was making himself available and trying to get shots away. I know that's a small comfort but he came on at 3 down, all he could really do was try to sneak a goal from nothing to put the game back in the balance.
I know there is an argument about his age shouldn't matter and he's either good enough or he isn't but I think that's a bit short-sighted. His age does matter because he's not massively experienced and he's not the finished product. That means he'll be a bit up and down but by accepting that now we're giving him the time to gain experience and hopefully gain the consistency to be the player the club think he can become. Playing youngsters who aren't quite ready is an important part of developing them, we saw it with JJ where loads of people didn't think he was worth a spot for the first 20-30 games but now he's a player we're really missing.
In a perfect world we'd have got someone else in but, as happened in January, the solution for Emery wasn't Archer (or he would still be here) and the solution will never be to just bring in anyone we can get (I'm looking at the posts talking about AEG in particular). As AV84 says, if Watkins got injured we'd miss his all round game a lot more than his goals, especially now we have clearly worked to both bring in more players who can score goals and have trained to get more players into the box and trying to get themselves onto the scoresheet. Finding a striker to replace Watkins if he's out means finding someone who offers what he does and I think Duran looks like a decent option for that.
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The important thing is you’ve given Duran plenty of chance to prove himself bronte. He’s 19, has played about 120 minutes this season and has scored 2 goals.
I've just said he was pub league when he came on not written him off completely. There aren't too many disputing that, bar semantics simon..
I get that his role is difficult, cameo roles in the main and often in garbage time when the result is settled. But I'm not seeing anything from Duran in a Villa shirt (Man City away an exception) so far to put Watkins under any remote sense of pressure for his place. Great that Duran got goals v Hibs but that tie wasn't in any way competitive. Archer last weekend in a proper game showed what he was capable of. Like others I fear Emery has dropped a real rick on that decision when it looks like Duran was the one in need of football elsewhere.
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Of course you have to give young players experience, I just think that a few of us are a bit perplexed that this wasn't extended to Archer who had a very good year on loan. Of course the deal is a good one, but a lot of people would have liked to have seen him given some game time. To me he looks a much better prospect than Duran, who other than being a "big unit" seems miles away from the required standard. If he played like he did but was called John Durrant and had come from Rotherham rather than overseas for quite a bit of money, I don't think many people would be saying he was ready for the squad.
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Of course you have to give young players experience, I just think that a few of us are a bit perplexed that this wasn't extended to Archer who had a very good year on loan. Of course the deal is a good one, but a lot of people would have liked to have seen him given some game time. To me he looks a much better prospect than Duran, who other than being a "big unit" seems miles away from the required standard. If he played like he did but was called John Durrant and had come from Rotherham rather than overseas for quite a bit of money, I don't think many people would be saying he was ready for the squad.
You'd have to take that up with Emery, but it's telling, for me, that he has twice chosen to let Archer go and use Duran instead and I doubt that's because he's overrating him because he's foreign. Personally I think it's that both of them need experience and Emery decided that Duran can have more of an impact for us whilst he gains that than Archer would. I also, to repeat, don't think Duran has been anything like as bad as a few people are claiming and I suspect part of the reason they're being so negative is because he's being seen as the player that we've got rid of Cam to accommodate but that's not really fair on either of them.
From what I've seen Duran putting him down as just a big unit is unfair, I think he also has good pace and work rate, decent movement normally has a good touch and is good with his back to goal looking to bring midfielders forward. In our system that is a really good fit for what we want from our 9. If we can, over the season, get him delivering consistent performances I think he'll be a very good player for us going into next year.
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If he played like he did but was called John Durrant and had come from Rotherham rather than overseas for quite a bit of money, I don't think many people would be saying he was ready for the squad.
Thta's a good point, actually. He reminds me of that French maverick we had called Jordan Bouverie.
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The important thing is you’ve given Duran plenty of chance to prove himself bronte. He’s 19, has played about 120 minutes this season and has scored 2 goals.
I've just said he was pub league when he came on not written him off completely. There aren't too many disputing that, bar semantics simon..
I get that his role is difficult, cameo roles in the main and often in garbage time when the result is settled. But I'm not seeing anything from Duran in a Villa shirt (Man City away an exception) so far to put Watkins under any remote sense of pressure for his place. Great that Duran got goals v Hibs but that tie wasn't in any way competitive. Archer last weekend in a proper game showed what he was capable of. Like others I fear Emery has dropped a real rick on that decision when it looks like Duran was the one in need of football elsewhere.
Why was Archer's goal against Everton in a 'proper game' but Durans goal against Everton a week earlier doesn't count?
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I think it's partly because we paid a lot of money for Duran so too many people are invested in making it work.
With that said I do think he's an exciting prospect, but it just feels very early in his development to me.
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Agent Young basically gave Duran an open goal to run onto.
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I think it's partly because we paid a lot of money for Duran so too many people are invested in making it work.
With that said I do think he's an exciting prospect, but it just feels very early in his development to me.
I think it would be too early if he was starting every week. 120 minutes across 6 games feels ok.
Clearly there is a risk if Ollie gets injured on that. But as it stands it feels like he’s getting an appropriate amount of game time.
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Agent Young basically gave Duran an open goal to run onto.
So? Plenty of goals come from defensive or goalkeeping errors.
The real problem I have with this argument (that will happen pretty much every time Archer scores all season) is that Duran has 2 in 5 (with a total of less than a game and a half actually on the pitch) but instead of seeing that as positive for his development people are dismissing his goals as irrelevant so they can push an argument that we should have kept Archer. Not only is it a bit of a weird thing to do but it also ignores the fact that Archer has 1 in 3 (and from more minutes) and also that Archer played in most of preseason and did very little to show he deserved to be a regular in the squad.
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What are the exact minutes Paul?
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I think the only person who is as invested in Archer as you seem to think Paul, is Legion for his own (good) reasons. I think most people just think that Archer deserved a chance. I hope that Duran develops into a fine player and scores loads of goals for us, I just think he looks a thousand miles away from being anywhere near doing that for us. The main problem as far as I'm concerned is that as usual, even after a good transfer window, we're undercooked up front with an out of form Watkins and no real alternative to him.
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I think the only person who is as invested in Archer as you seem to think Paul, is Legion for his own (good) reasons. I think most people just think that Archer deserved a chance. I hope that Duran develops into a fine player and scores loads of goals for us, I just think he looks a thousand miles away from being anywhere near doing that for us. The main problem as far as I'm concerned is that as usual, even after a good transfer window, we're undercooked up front with an out of form Watkins and no real alternative to him.
I disagree, Archer will be the stick that plenty of people use to beat the club with any time either he scores or we don't. Ings was used in a similar way for a few weeks after he got sold and it only really stopped because the goals from Watkins didn't for a while.
Last season we went from 22 in 19 up until Ings was sold to 29 in 19 for the second half of the season but still people were questioning why we 'left ourselves short' and this season we've scored 8 in 4 and the same people are asking the same questions. Emery has decided either that he wants to go with what we have or, at the very least, that he's happy with it. Given how many more goals we're scoring that we were before he arrived he's earned a bit more trust than to have it questions constantly.
The other part of it is "but what if we get injuries and don't have cover?" which constantly gets used to justify the complaints but how would you react to me saying "what if we don't and Watkins and Duran have 15 goals between them by the new year and the team as a whole has scored 35-40?".
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I can't believe we have sold Archer and kept Dhuran.
Its a total nonsense
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The other part of it is "but what if we get injuries and don't have cover?" which constantly gets used to justify the complaints but how would you react to me saying "what if we don't and Watkins and Duran have 15 goals between them by the new year and the team as a whole has scored 35-40?".
Well, it's not an exact science but generally having cover for players is considered a good thing. Emery himself has said that he wants two players for every position but the one position that has consistently not been strengthened is the main striker.
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What are the exact minutes Paul?
According to Transfer markt it's:
Duran - 5 games (1 start 4 sub) 120minutes 2 goals.
Archer - 3 games (2 starts 1 sub) 143minutes 1 goal.
However this needs to be taken with caution as stats aren't everything and in such small datasets they're often misleading.
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The other part of it is "but what if we get injuries and don't have cover?" which constantly gets used to justify the complaints but how would you react to me saying "what if we don't and Watkins and Duran have 15 goals between them by the new year and the team as a whole has scored 35-40?".
Well, it's not an exact science but generally having cover for players is considered a good thing. Emery himself has said that he wants two players for every position but the one position that has consistently not been strengthened is the main striker.
Emery wants 2 players for every position and we have Watkins and Duran so...
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how would you react to me saying "what if we don't and Watkins and Duran have 15 goals between them by the new year and the team as a whole has scored 35-40?".
I'd say, it's fortunate Watkins didn't get injured. Hope we fix our lack of depth in the Jan transfer window.
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Let's leave it there Paul, you might want to dwell on the advice from other posters for a few minutes.
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The most sensible view of this is that like for like they're pretty much on level pegging and it's far too early in the season to say much more about either of them.
The only major notable difference between them is that Durán is a full senior international player, whereas Archer is still, for now, on the underage team.
A point people made/make a lot about potential signings, or people we did sign, is how much Premier League experience matters, and in that point Durán probably has more than Archer too, although only just, and not for long. It is odd though that in the absence of Watkins people say they'd be happy with Archer leading the line despite having no league experience until last weekend.
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Let's leave it there Paul, you might want to dwell on the advice from other posters for a few minutes.
Please explain what part of my comment was wrong, you said Emery wanted 2 players in every position and I pointed out we have 2 strikers. Just because you don't think Duran is good enough (yet) you can't blink him out of existence or pretend that Emery isn't clearly using him as his 2nd out and out striker in the squad.
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how would you react to me saying "what if we don't and Watkins and Duran have 15 goals between them by the new year and the team as a whole has scored 35-40?".
I'd say, it's fortunate Watkins didn't get injured. Hope we fix our lack of depth in the Jan transfer window.
... and therefore losing him to a meaningful injury (given his injury record in his career to date) would be unfortunate and the setup of the squad will have enabled us to give Duran plenty of minutes to gain the experience he needs to potentially challenge to replace Watkins over he next year or 2. If we'd signed another experienced stirker or kept Archer and shared those appearances maybe that doesn't happen.
All of this is predicting the future and serves no real purpose but Emery pretty clearly sees Duran as adequate cover and 2 goals in 5 games suggests he's not wrong in that.
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1 more point that may be relevant here, Archer turned 21 last December which means that he would need to be named in our 25 man squads for both the premier league and conference league, Duran doesn't need to be named. It may well be that they decided using a space for someone with so little top flight experience was wasteful and to take the money. How that works with the squads will depend on who and how many get named but even if it was just taking the money when it was available to create a space we might need in January I think that might have bene part of the thinking.
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The important thing is you’ve given Duran plenty of chance to prove himself bronte. He’s 19, has played about 120 minutes this season and has scored 2 goals.
I've just said he was pub league when he came on not written him off completely. There aren't too many disputing that, bar semantics simon..
I get that his role is difficult, cameo roles in the main and often in garbage time when the result is settled. But I'm not seeing anything from Duran in a Villa shirt (Man City away an exception) so far to put Watkins under any remote sense of pressure for his place. Great that Duran got goals v Hibs but that tie wasn't in any way competitive. Archer last weekend in a proper game showed what he was capable of. Like others I fear Emery has dropped a real rick on that decision when it looks like Duran was the one in need of football elsewhere.
Why was Archer's goal against Everton in a 'proper game' but Durans goal against Everton a week earlier doesn't count?
Forgot Duran's first goal was against Everton 😀 thought it was first day v Hibs. They all count for sure but 3-0 up in garbage time v Everton and after a lovely assist from Young, they don't get easier. From the limited amount I've seen of both, Archer seems by far the more accomplished player but Emery clearly doesn't agree 👍
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Archer being the age he is also has to be taken into account here surely? At nearly 22 he is getting too old to be back-up to someone like Watkins whose track record to date shows little pre-disposition to injury. It's all very well saying what if he does get injured, but if he doesn't that is likely to be another year of Archer's career where he would be likely to get only a handful of starts - he needs to be playing football regularly now.
In an ideal world Archer has a fantastic season for Sheffield Utd, and then we bring him back as a fully ready Premier League striker in 12 months time.
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Archer being the age he is also has to be taken into account here surely? At nearly 22 he is getting too old to be back-up to someone like Watkins whose track record to date shows little pre-disposition to injury. It's all very well saying what if he does get injured, but if he doesn't that is likely to be another year of Archer's career where he would be likely to get only a handful of starts - he needs to be playing football regularly now.
In an ideal world Archer has a fantastic season for Sheffield Utd, and then we bring him back as a fully ready Premier League striker in 12 months time.
All hail the voice of reason.
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Archer being the age he is also has to be taken into account here surely? At nearly 22 he is getting too old to be back-up to someone like Watkins whose track record to date shows little pre-disposition to injury. It's all very well saying what if he does get injured, but if he doesn't that is likely to be another year of Archer's career where he would be likely to get only a handful of starts - he needs to be playing football regularly now.
In an ideal world Archer has a fantastic season for Sheffield Utd, and then we bring him back as a fully ready Premier League striker in 12 months time.
Yup, I agree that the issue has two players' futures involved, and Archer's move to SheffU is as much about him getting the first-team experience in he EPL. Furthermore, paul_e's observation about squad space for Archer might have been a factor.
I see Zaniolo as much cover for Watkins as Duran ...
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*Grandad in Simpsons entering the the thread then doing an immediate about turn and leaving gif*
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*Grandad in Simpsons entering the the thread then doing an immediate about turn and leaving gif*
This Is the Day for that gif.
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Archer being the age he is also has to be taken into account here surely? At nearly 22 he is getting too old to be back-up to someone like Watkins whose track record to date shows little pre-disposition to injury. It's all very well saying what if he does get injured, but if he doesn't that is likely to be another year of Archer's career where he would be likely to get only a handful of starts - he needs to be playing football regularly now.
In an ideal world Archer has a fantastic season for Sheffield Utd, and then we bring him back as a fully ready Premier League striker in 12 months time.
Absolutely, he'd be in danger of becoming Davis mk2, this is a much better.
For me the ideal situation for the club is to have 3 genuine options we are happy to see in each position with the 3rd being an U21 who doesn't have to be named in the squad and can get minutes for the U21 team if he's not been getting as many appearances with the seniors as we'd like. for the 2 in front you need to either have a prime 24-30 starter and an older option who is happy to cover (a bit like Cash and Young last season) or you have 2 players who are both rotation options and are happy to fight for the spot. What you want to avoid if you can is having someone in their mid-20swho is clearly a backup and has no realistic chance of forcing their way into the team.
It's different for keepers and isn't a hard and fast rule but clubswho ebnd up with squads like that often end up in big trouble with massive and expensive rebuilds every few years. I'd say it's been a big part of why Man Utd have been a mess for years and it's why Chelsea are where they are.
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*Grandad in Simpsons entering the the thread then doing an immediate about turn and leaving gif*
How come? H&V circular arguments or something more sinister...?
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Archer being the age he is also has to be taken into account here surely? At nearly 22 he is getting too old to be back-up to someone like Watkins whose track record to date shows little pre-disposition to injury. It's all very well saying what if he does get injured, but if he doesn't that is likely to be another year of Archer's career where he would be likely to get only a handful of starts - he needs to be playing football regularly now.
In an ideal world Archer has a fantastic season for Sheffield Utd, and then we bring him back as a fully ready Premier League striker in 12 months time.
All hail the voice of reason.
Yep. Sums it up perfectly.
A win against Palace, and hopefully a Watkins goal, with Duran scoring as a late sub will kill this topic stone dead.
We're scoring goals, and whether it's Watkins, Duran, McGinn, Diaby or whoever, the system appears to be working.
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Well done young man.
We don't win that game without him.
Absolutely delighted for him.
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He's got a foot like a traction engine.
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Pub player isn’t he?
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He's got a foot like a traction engine.
So has Zoniolo. Would be interesting to see them both on at the same time.
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He's played less than 90 mins in the league this season, 2 league goals. Not bad.
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He’s not 20 until December. Some prospect
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Pub player isn’t he?
Who said that?
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Without him we lose, as simple as that.
But how sweat is it that we brought on bailey and Duran and they both get a goal and tilimans gets the assist for the pen for a beautiful throughball.
A far cry from bringing on Anwar and Kenan and nothing changing at all
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Fair play to the lad.
I hope he continues to prove me wrong about his readiness.
In fact, I would go as far to say that he should start next game over Watkins.
Watkins confidence & form is shot & Duran seems to have as much confidence as he benches...
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Duran, Bailey and Tielemans all came on and played a big part in that turnaround. Which is what happens when you have decent, and game changing, players on your bench.
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https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1703082970943299801?s=61
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What a goal that was.
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https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1703082970943299801?s=61
Lovely stuff.
I bet Juan Pablo enjoyed that bullet of a strike in front of the Holte
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Pub player isn’t he?
"Moody competition winner" I think the phrase was.
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He brings the chaos, I like it.
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The goal by Duran was coming after he nearly destroyed the bar at Man City. The net at the Holte might need replacing after his goal today.
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Emery's words on Duran after the game. Still sounds like he's a way off actually starting, but we'll see.
"Jhon Duran is young but he has potential. We have to work with him, give him chances and minutes to take confidence and build experiences. Every minute he's playing is important for him and he's helping us, like with the goal he scored today.
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Pub player isn’t he?
"Moody competition winner" I think the phrase was.
Ah yes that was it.
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I can't believe we have sold Archer and kept Dhuran.
Its a total nonsense
Hmmm
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Kid behind me was booing him when he came on, when I questioned him why he’d boo someone wearing a villa shirt he replied “because he’s shit”.
Oh how we laughed when he scored.
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Pub player isn’t he?
"Moody competition winner" I think the phrase was.
Ah yes that was it.
Some strike for a competition winner that.
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Kid behind me was booing him when he came on, when I questioned him why he’d boo someone wearing a villa shirt he replied “because he’s shit”.
Oh how we laughed when he scored.
How old was he?
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Kid behind me was booing him when he came on, when I questioned him why he’d boo someone wearing a villa shirt he replied “because he’s shit”.
Oh how we laughed when he scored.
Get him on the match threads!
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Kid behind me was booing him when he came on, when I questioned him why he’d boo someone wearing a villa shirt he replied “because he’s shit”.
Oh how we laughed when he scored.
How old was he?
About 17 or 18 at a guess
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What a strike! Fantastic finish.
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Kid behind me was booing him when he came on, when I questioned him why he’d boo someone wearing a villa shirt he replied “because he’s shit”.
Oh how we laughed when he scored.
Get him on the match threads!
Very good 😂
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Great goal!
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Turned no points onto three, he's my new favourite player
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Pub player isn’t he?
Amen.
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Unpredictable, but great to watch. Bit like Bert but 10 years younger.
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Just seen him described as "an unpolished Christian Benteke". I think that's a pretty succinct assessment.
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Just seen him described as "an unpolished Christian Benteke". I think that's a pretty succinct assessment.
I said something similar earlier in this thread, and I still stand by it
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To compare him to Benteke, IMO is quite the stretch.
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Duran has got what it takes.
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Duran has got what it takes.
Judging by the reflex strike today, you're right.
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He cares
(https://i.ibb.co/HV7SBWn/IMG-5967.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HV7SBWn)
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An absolute beauty today, bosh!
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Pick that out.
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The argument around whether it’s wise to have him as the only back up striker is absolutely fair. People writing him off as a player has been utterly ridiculous. He’s done really well this season, and has been really productive - as he refined his game he’s going to be some player.
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Not seen any one writing him off.
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Not seen any one writing him off.
Not many moody competition winners make it as professional footballers.
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Not seen any one writing him off.
Not many moody competition winners make it as professional footballers.
Maybe I missed that, there are allways outliers, but because someone says something stupid it’s subsequently suggested as a general opinion.
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The argument around whether it’s wise to have him as the only back up striker is absolutely fair. People writing him off as a player has been utterly ridiculous. He’s done really well this season, and has been really productive - as he refined his game he’s going to be some player.
It is but for me if we have a player like Ings, Wilson, etc, or even if we'd kept Archer, Duran doesn't get the chance today and even if we get back into the game he doesn't score a worldy that gives him the confidence that he can do it under pressure in the premier league. Some people are quick with the talk on "if they're good enough they're old enough" but they're far more conservative when it comes to trusting those players (or even accepting that they exist as an option within the squad).
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I like the fact Emery is content to structure his squad so there is a vacuum for players like Jhon. It is risky but recognises where we are in the food chain and creates space for young players to grow.
The opposite end of the scale is MON and that has a distinct ceiling until our commercial operations exceed spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea/Newcastle.
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I like the fact Emery is content to structure his squad so there is a vacuum for players like Jhon. It is risky but recognises where we are in the food chain and creates space for young players to grow.
The opposite end of the scale is MON and that has a distinct ceiling until our commercial operations exceed spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea/Newcastle.
This is a major point for me, well said.
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Some people are so judgemental on his brief appearances so far. The lad is only 19 ffs! Great potential, I'll back UE's team selection over impatient fans...
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Hope he goes from strength to strength. Lovely goal today. He's a useful player but still finding his way. He will be fine. 3 goals so far this season.
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That goal today was incredible, such a clean strike on a bouncing ball that was still going up. You can't teach stuff like that. Players can either shoot like that, or they can't.
If he was a 19-year-old youth product who'd come through the ranks and scored that goal, we'd all be hailing the next coming of Pele.
Raw, but clearly bags of talent, a couple of years of continued development, and he could be a serious goal-scoring threat in this league, and he'll still only be 21!
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That goal today was incredible, such a clean strike on a bouncing ball that was still going up. You can't teach stuff like that. Players can either shoot like that, or they can't.
If he was a 19-year-old youth product who'd come through the ranks and scored that goal, we'd all be hailing the next coming of Pele.
Raw, but clearly bags of talent, a couple of years of continued development, and he could be a serious goal-scoring threat in this league, and he'll still only be 21!
It was class. You either have it or you don't. It can't be coached.
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To compare him to Benteke, IMO is quite the stretch.
Benteke is one of our best ever centre forwards, and I agree, Jhon is nowhere near that.
Duran has the same physical attributes, big, strong, quick and a great touch, so it’s quite easy to see a 19 year old Benteke.
I really believe, if he’s allowed to develop, we could have a very special player.
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A BIT Benteke about him.
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To compare him to Benteke, IMO is quite the stretch.
Benteke is one of our best ever centre forwards, and I agree, Jhon is nowhere near that.
Duran has the same physical attributes, big, strong, quick and a great touch, so it’s quite easy to see a 19 year old Benteke.
I really believe, if he’s allowed to develop, we could have a very special player.
So like a Benteke then.
The previous comparisons are Benteke unpolished. The age he is now at a similar age as Benteke was when he first joined Genk. The beast got 16 goals in 32 matches that season. Duran already has 3 in 6. (Actually 3 in 120 mins).
His debut league goal is similar to Bentekes as well, (defender makes mistake, neat finish with keeper having no chance). And his finish today was something I'm sure Benteke has done for us. He even has the temperament sometimes as shown with his stupid booking today.
So I do thing unpolished Benteke is an apt description and hopefully he will have the polish for next season.
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I like how this forum has gone from comparing Durán negatively to Archer to comparing him positively to Benteke in the space of a week 😄
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Sublime goal today. 3 goals this season so far is not a bad return at all. Well done young lad.
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I think he’s more of a Miroslav Klose type, shrugs defenders off the ball with ease.
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Didn’t he snap the crossbar last season with a similar shot?
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Didn’t he snap the crossbar last season with a similar shot?
Was this season but yes.
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Didn’t he snap the crossbar last season with a similar shot?
Was this season but yes.
I think he meant the Man City away game.
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Undoubtably has a lot of raw talent that can be worked on but that left foot of his is something else, watching it live on television when he hit it, at first, i thought it had gone miles over into the crowd, you have to watch it in slow motion to really see the skill behind it.
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Undoubtably has a lot of raw talent that can be worked on but that left foot of his is something else, watching it live on television when he hit it, at first, i thought it had gone miles over into the crowd, you have to watch it in slow motion to really see the skill behind it.
Obviously they don't always record themselves live, but the BBC reporter seems stunned into a moments silence between great hit and then realising it was a goal.
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What a goal! 👍😎🍾
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What a goal! 👍😎🍾
Beautiful stuff. The composure, the control, the timing, the execution.
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What a goal! 👍😎🍾
Beautiful stuff. The composure, the control, the timing, the execution.
I agree, it was a great post LouzieO!
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What a goal! 👍😎🍾
Beautiful stuff. The composure, the control, the timing, the execution.
I agree, it was a great post LouzieO!
Snort, chuckle.
The goal was pure violence, and I loved it.
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Comparing him to Benteke is ridiculous
he’s going to be far better than him
😀
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It was an absolute peach.
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The finish for the goal was sublime but the effort he had that Johnstone saved just after coming on took some serious technique too
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He was also involved in the buildup to his goal, which is good to see.
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Foot like a Traction Engine on steroids.
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It’s really the whole manoeuvre, a good ball in by Digne but it’s some distance away from him and at a height. The way he sets his body to control with the chest so that it stays close to him and also well away from any defender looks like second nature to him, it sets the shot opportunity perfectly and then there’s the shot itself…..
I’m just going to play it on a continuous loop today.
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Duran is a very raw talent but to put it in perspective, he’s younger than Louie Barry. I’m excited to see what he can achieve developing under Emery.
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What he re-affirms to me is that our recruitment department knows what it's doing. At long last.
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That goal on Saturday was not far off JPA’s first goal for us against Cov.
Ok, not hit with the same power, but taking the ball down with his chest and hitting it first time.
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To compare him to Benteke, IMO is quite the stretch.
Benteke is one of our best ever centre forwards, and I agree, Jhon is nowhere near that.
Duran has the same physical attributes, big, strong, quick and a great touch, so it’s quite easy to see a 19 year old Benteke.
I really believe, if he’s allowed to develop, we could have a very special player.
So like a Benteke then.
The previous comparisons are Benteke unpolished. The age he is now at a similar age as Benteke was when he first joined Genk. The beast got 16 goals in 32 matches that season. Duran already has 3 in 6. (Actually 3 in 120 mins).
His debut league goal is similar to Bentekes as well, (defender makes mistake, neat finish with keeper having no chance). And his finish today was something I'm sure Benteke has done for us. He even has the temperament sometimes as shown with his stupid booking today.
So I do thing unpolished Benteke is an apt description and hopefully he will have the polish for next season.
Yes, which is what I was saying
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Someone can remind you of a player without being that player. And after his last couple of goals the comparisons are inevitable.
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It was clear he had it in him after the rasper that smashed to Etihad crossbar last season. I said to my mate on Saturday i would love to see a screamer from someone (it feels like ours are very rare) but that made up for it. That was almost in the back of the net before Johnstone even saw it - tremendous goal
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The speed with which he takes it is the thing. The angle from behind the goal in slow mo is the one, his body shape when he strikes it is a thing of beauty, like a perfect golf swing or a textbook cover drive.
He's raw but my God he's got all the tools, pace, power, technique but also mentally, he's not lacking in belief at all. I think he's going to develop very quickly as a result, the extra games in Europe will help with that too.
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The speed with which he takes it is the thing.
That's what shocked/impressed me the most. The defender didn't have time to get near him, it was fluid and then despite his shot being almost straight at the keeper the power would have broken his wrist should he have got a hand to it. Wonderful stuff.
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The speed with which he takes it is the thing.
That's what shocked/impressed me the most. The defender didn't have time to get near him, it was fluid and then despite his shot being almost straight at the keeper the power would have broken his wrist should he have got a hand to it. Wonderful stuff.
One of the purer strikes I recall hitting the back of the net in front of the Holte. In recent decades, can only think of Collymore's against Atlético Madrid, Conor's v WBA and McGinn's v Sheff Weds.
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It gets my vote for the greatest ‘competition winner’ goal in the history of ‘football for competition winners’.
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My mate described it as a 'Hot Shot Hamish' strike
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My mate described it as a 'Hot Shot Hamish' strike
Perfect.
Wonder if Diaby is wearing Billy's Boots?
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I like the fact he's a bit of an head the ball as well.
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We were reminded constantly throughout the Women’s World Cup thar some English player had the fastest shot recorded in the season. No mention of this one surpassing it yet.
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Myself and Olof's Beard were in the Lower Holte halfway-up and it was the best goal I remember seeing from that vantage point since Luc Nilis all those years ago.
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Reminiscent of this I thought, anyone else?
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Reminiscent of this I thought, anyone else?
Yep he's definitely got shades of Dalian. I'm sure Benteke score a few instinctive rockets like that too. I'm hoping Duran turns out to be a regular goal-out-of-nothing striker.
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He will only get better so much talent.
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My mate described it as a 'Hot Shot Hamish' strike
Perfect.
Wonder if Diaby is wearing Billy's Boots?
[/quote]My mate described it as a 'Hot Shot Hamish' strike
Showing your age with those ;D
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Reminiscent of this I thought, anyone else?
You fucking beautiful man Dalian.
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So according to transfer market, he has 2 goals in 57 mins in the Premier League & 1 goal in 83 mins in Europe, for a total of 3 goals in 139 mins across six separate substitute appearances.
Impressive for a 19 year old... 👍
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if he played the same amount of games and minutes as Watkins gets he would score more goals than Ollie imo
I know he can’t be flogged to death because of his age
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if he played the same amount of games and minutes as Watkins gets he would score more goals than Ollie imo
I know he can’t be flogged to death because of his age
There is a lot more to that equation. He might score more than Ollie, but the TEAM might score fewer without Ollie leading the line. That's not to say they both can't contribute when called upon, but we often overlook Ollie's impact on team performances, which isn't always about him scoring goals (though it would be lovely if he did it more often!).
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Yep, his running and action in the box has won us two penalties which won't count against his "assist" stats, and also opened up space for others to score which also won't help those either. So whilst officially he only has two assists in the league, you could argue 4 minimum. So almost half the goals we have scored in the league.
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I've been thinking about that chance Watkins had Saturday one on one because there were some many things he could've done with it other than what he did, which resembled what you'd expect from a nervous full back put in the same position.
I'm one of his biggest fans but fuck me it was desperate, Johnstone was positioned to make that save and that alone, set it wider with a bit of height, in the fashion of his later superb and much harder effort that hit the post and its an easy clip over him into an empty net, doesn't even have to finish in the corner.
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if he played the same amount of games and minutes as Watkins gets he would score more goals than Ollie imo
I know he can’t be flogged to death because of his age
There is a lot more to that equation. He might score more than Ollie, but the TEAM might score fewer without Ollie leading the line. That's not to say they both can't contribute when called upon, but we often overlook Ollie's impact on team performances, which isn't always about him scoring goals (though it would be lovely if he did it more often!).
Yeah, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said
I’ve said 1 million times on here in my opinion Watkins biggest problem isn’t his contribution to the team or work ethic or even his lack of goals at times it’s his lack of technical ability, the fact that he simply cannot control a Football very easily and this will stop him becoming the top-class striker we want
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I really like him and have spoken to him a good few times. He always has time for the kids around the tunnel and really does look like a teenager in a mans (boxers) body as he is solid.
I think he is going to be a real player as he is built for the premiership hustle and bustle but i do think he will be sent off a few times along the way. There was an incident, i think against Everton by the byline, where he bumped into a player and when the turned round to remonstrate he just gave him the "eyes" to which the other guy backed down.
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I really like him and have spoken to him a good few times. He always has time for the kids around the tunnel and really does look like a teenager in a mans (boxers) body as he is solid.
I think he is going to be a real player as he is built for the premiership hustle and bustle but i do think he will be sent off a few times along the way. There was an incident, i think against Everton by the byline, where he bumped into a player and when the turned round to remonstrate he just gave him the "eyes" to which the other guy backed down.
He did it at Anfield , staring Gomez out like he wanted to lamp him
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I've been thinking about that chance Watkins had Saturday one on one because there were some many things he could've done with it other than what he did, which resembled what you'd expect from a nervous full back put in the same position.
I'm one of his biggest fans but fuck me it was desperate, Johnstone was positioned to make that save and that alone, set it wider with a bit of height, in the fashion of his later superb and much harder effort that hit the post and its an easy clip over him into an empty net, doesn't even have to finish in the corner.
I had the feeling he was trying to hit it early for the surprise element, plus more chance of curling it around and in. Unfortunately as you state, instead of Johnson rushing to close, he stayed back and Watkins didn't get either the control for placement, or pace to at least beat the save so turned out to be easy.
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Pretty good save, I thought -Sam was just about at full stretch.
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Pretty good save, I thought -Sam was just about at full stretch.
Don’t think Johnstone (?) is given enough credit for, what I thought was, an excellent save rather than a poor miss.
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Did he turn up for drinks last night at a Warsaw pub taken-over by Villa? Dunno what it is about him, his off-the-cuff playing style perhaps, but he seems like the kinda player that might do that.
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I really like him and have spoken to him a good few times. He always has time for the kids around the tunnel and really does look like a teenager in a mans (boxers) body as he is solid.
I think he is going to be a real player as he is built for the premiership hustle and bustle but i do think he will be sent off a few times along the way. There was an incident, i think against Everton by the byline, where he bumped into a player and when the turned round to remonstrate he just gave him the "eyes" to which the other guy backed down.
He did it at Anfield , staring Gomez out like he wanted to lamp him
Born and raised in Medellin, the drugs capital of Colombia. He's not going to take any shit off anybody.
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Pretty good save, I thought -Sam was just about at full stretch.
Don’t think Johnstone (?) is given enough credit for, what I thought was, an excellent save rather than a poor miss.
It was a decent save yes, but I was right behind the line of the ball and he didn't set it anywhere near wide enough, it would have been a yard and a half inside the far post had it gone in.
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Pretty good save, I thought -Sam was just about at full stretch.
Don’t think Johnstone (?) is given enough credit for, what I thought was, an excellent save rather than a poor miss.
It was a decent save yes, but I was right behind the line of the ball and he didn't set it anywhere near wide enough, it would have been a yard and a half inside the far post had it gone in.
When players are a bit out of touch in terms of scoring they often play it a bit safer like that because they want to be hitting the target and giving themselves a chance.
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Pretty good save, I thought -Sam was just about at full stretch.
Don’t think Johnstone (?) is given enough credit for, what I thought was, an excellent save rather than a poor miss.
It was a decent save yes, but I was right behind the line of the ball and he didn't set it anywhere near wide enough, it would have been a yard and a half inside the far post had it gone in.
When players are a bit out of touch in terms of scoring they often play it a bit safer like that because they want to be hitting the target and giving themselves a chance.
Yeah it's almost certainly the issue with him, and as he's not a natural finisher as such when he is out of touch is kind of looks more glaring.
A confident forward either sweeps it around the keeper first time, or takes it across the keeper and pops it to the side he's just left. Duran's goal against Everton was like that, that slightly heavy first touch actually worked to pull Pickford out of position and it was executed with aplomb.
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7 apps 4 goals.
Keep it up Big Jhon.
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The only one who looked up for the fight last night.
Should be picked ahead of Watkins.
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What was he like other than scoring? I know a striker who only scores isn't a bad thing, but how does he compare to Watkins as far as work rate in other areas?
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I can see Junior Benteke replicating the big man in rendering the man he's supposed to be backing up as obsolete, very quickly.
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What was he like other than scoring? I know a striker who only scores isn't a bad thing, but how does he compare to Watkins as far as work rate in other areas?
Decent enough. Hard to gauge exactly though as the midfield was mostly so poor.
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Strange, isn't it?
In the summer, many felt that we had an impressive array of midfield talent that would serve us well this season.
For various reasons, it's now shaping up as a problem area.
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Strange, isn't it?
In the summer, many felt that we had an impressive array of midfield talent that would serve us well this season.
For various reasons, it's now shaping up as a problem area.
Ramsey and Buendia missing along with the form of Kamara and McGinn is the problem.
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At least Ramsey is well on the way back.
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He's had a couple of starts now, what's the verdict?
Not a 90 minute player? Better as an impact sub?
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He's had a couple of starts now, what's the verdict?
Not a 90 minute player? Better as an impact sub?
Probably.. we forget he’s only 19.
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He's had a couple of starts now, what's the verdict?
Not a 90 minute player? Better as an impact sub?
Probably.. we forget he’s only 19.
I don't forget. Although so was Jude Bellingham until a few months ago.
I'm not saying he is those things, I'm just throwing them out there. We've seen more of him now than we did for the months he was here last season, I'm just wondering what the general opinion is on him, so far.
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Hasn’t quite worked out when he’s started yet but he’s been thrown into some disjointed performances. He does bring a bit of chaos when he comes off the bench which is useful.
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I think he’s done well and scored important goals, showing some real talent. He needs to learn the wider part of the game, particularly hold up play. I think that’ll come with experience.
Side note - and I know you’re not really saying this - but Bellingham is probably one of the best players in the world. He isn’t a baseline comparison for how 19 year old players should have progress.
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Must admit I’m not seeing it but it’s very early days and he’s only 19. As other have said he’s also played in a number of fairly ropey team Cup performances.
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He's had a couple of starts now, what's the verdict?
Not a 90 minute player? Better as an impact sub?
He’s a very promising youngster and looks like he has a great future ahead. He’s very different to Ollie Watkins, which ain’t a bad thing. I don’t think you can make a call on him being an impact player just yet.
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The first half last night we never pressured the goal he wasn’t getting no service
Second half we stepped it up, give him the ball in good areas and he’ll do well
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Talent and an attitude that could go either way. A better option off the bench than Keinan Davis, but still raw.
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I’ve been impressed so far.
He’s in a slightly awkward position where he must either try to copy Watkins game so it’s easy to dovetail him into the team or he needs to be afforded more ‘bad’ games to impose his strengths onto the team.
It’s a testament to him that I think he’s good enough to do either.
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I've been impressed. He's young & raw and doesn't look afraid of the huge jump from MLS to the Premier League.
He'll get better with experience. Right now he's a great impact sub, throw the cat amonst the pigeons.
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He's somebody to chuck on with 20 minutes to spare. His all round game is that of an academy player, and as such he's nowhere near ready to replace Watkins.
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I've been impressed. He's young & raw and doesn't look afraid of the huge jump from MLS to the Premier League.
He'll get better with experience. Right now he's a great impact sub, throw the cat amonst the pigeons.
Absolutely. If someone had said in July "Duran will have scored four goals by October including a goal-of-the-month-contender late equaliser which led to a last-minute win", people would have assumed we'd unearthed a new Benteke.
He's miles ahead of schedule.
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I've been impressed. He's young & raw and doesn't look afraid of the huge jump from MLS to the Premier League.
He'll get better with experience. Right now he's a great impact sub, throw the cat amonst the pigeons.
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Absolutely. If someone had said in July "Duran will have scored four goals by October including a goal-of-the-month-contender late equaliser which led to a last-minute win", people would have assumed we'd unearthed a new Benteke.
He's miles ahead of schedule.
] I agree too. He is ahead of all expectations at this time.
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It's easy to let the late goal make it all seem better but I think Unai got it the right way round yesterday. Gave Duran a start but not afraid to make the early switch. Not sure Watkins would have had a sniff first half with that midfield but got the first team in when we were more likely to dominate.
Another 45 minutes of learning for Duran
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He's doing just fine and is only going to get better.
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I've been impressed. He's young & raw and doesn't look afraid of the huge jump from MLS to the Premier League.
He'll get better with experience. Right now he's a great impact sub, throw the cat amonst the pigeons.
Absolutely. If someone had said in July "Duran will have scored four goals by October including a goal-of-the-month-contender late equaliser which led to a last-minute win", people would have assumed we'd unearthed a new Benteke.
He's miles ahead of schedule.
Yep, If he gets close to double figures this season, which is clearly possible, he'll have done brilliantly. He's big, quick, strong, has a good technique, can finish and has a 'bit of magic' but he's still very raw, some of his decision making is poor and he can drift out of games, given it a year or 2 and we should see those negatives start to drop away, if they do he'll be a top striker.
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Felt sorry for him a bit last night
Unai put all the best players on second half to create more and have a go and takes him off
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I've been impressed. He's young & raw and doesn't look afraid of the huge jump from MLS to the Premier League.
He'll get better with experience. Right now he's a great impact sub, throw the cat amonst the pigeons.
Absolutely. If someone had said in July "Duran will have scored four goals by October including a goal-of-the-month-contender late equaliser which led to a last-minute win", people would have assumed we'd unearthed a new Benteke.
He's miles ahead of schedule.
That's the thing. He probably IS ahead of schedule. He wasn't brought in to walk straight into the first 11 (at least, I hope he wasn't!). At 19, Ollie was plying his trade on loan from Exeter with Weston-Super-Mare in the Conference South. Duran is already contributing in the first team, but he's probably still a year or so away from being a regular starter when everyone is fit. He has all the physical attributes to be a top striker, pace, power, a great shot. He just needs experience and to sharpen his tactical play. Thankfully, that can coached, and he's working for someone who is excellent at getting the very best out of players. It also doesn't hurt that they literally speak the same language.
My expectations for him for this season were pretty low, and he's already exceeding them, but let's not get to disappointed that he doesn't look ready to replace Ollie just yet.
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He is very athletic & has a touch of technique about him, albeit still very raw.
But Im undecided if he has the brain of a mushroom, or if he is just trying too hard to impress.
Then again, he does lack a bit of experience, even though he has played a lot of games in the MLS & is a full international.
Maybe its just a lack of maturity. He is 19 after all...
I am definitely undecided...
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Felt sorry for him a bit last night
Unai put all the best players on second half to create more and have a go and takes him off
Me too, I thought he was one of better players first half, kept hold of the ball well in some tight situations.
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Side note - and I know you’re not really saying this - but Bellingham is probably one of the best players in the world. He isn’t a baseline comparison for how 19 year old players should have progress.
Absolutely not. I just think "He's only 19" isn't in itself enough of a caveat to use *if* a player isn't delivering. Some 19 year olds have already peaked and are just shit, some are brimming with potential at 19 and clearly need more time with their development. From the responses most seem to think it's the 2nd with Durán.
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I thought he did alright last night but Watkins looked a lot better
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It's hard to tell. First half just about the entire team were rubbish, as we tend to be when we make 3 or 4 changes. That said, I agreed with the decision to replace both Dendoncker and Duran at half time, as whatever the reasons, they were both poor I thought.
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It's hard to tell. First half just about the entire team were rubbish, as we tend to be when we make 3 or 4 changes. That said, I agreed with the decision to replace both Dendoncker and Duran at half time, as whatever the reasons, they were both poor I thought.
The ball wasn’t getting into the final 3rd in the first half, the game was being played at a lacklustre pace It was rubbish to be frank
as a striker you can’t do much without the ball
when you swap Dendoncker and Carlos for Cash and Dougie it’s gonna make a big difference in attacking options
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I championed the merits of Dhuran and him being a first team squad member. I was one who insisted such when there were people calling for him to be loaned out or not ready.
I he to credit myself on that one and jumped for sheer joy for his supergoal against Palace.
What a talent he is!
But what about Durán?
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Where was John Duran today, not on the bench? Hopefully not injured?
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Yeah I was wondering that.
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Where was John Duran today, not on the bench? Hopefully not injured?
I think he was just one of the later players back from international duty, and didn't have time to get back in with the squad for the weekend. They were playing in Ecuador on Wednesday night. He only played 15 minutes as a sub, but I'd imagine he probably wasn't getting back to Birmingham until Friday.
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Just read some stuff about him having removed all Villa related content from his instagram.
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Everything is gone from his Instagram bar two pinned things of him with Colombia. People quite often archive their Instagram, don't they? Clean it up for aesthetic purposes, or like a re-branding of sorts. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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Was told he had a knock but trained with team this morning
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Plenty of Villa stuff on his FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/Jd9Companyy/
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Just read some stuff about him having removed all Villa related content from his instagram.
A couple of Colombians on X seem to think he was left out of the match day squad and has thrown a tantrum. Hopefully, it's no more than that.
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... he was left out of the match day squad ...
I can't imagine that would have happened without very good reason.
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Just read some stuff about him having removed all Villa related content from his instagram.
A couple of Colombians on X seem to think he was left out of the match day squad and has thrown a tantrum. Hopefully, it's no more than that.
He removed/hid the Villa stuff a week ago.
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... he was left out of the match day squad ...
I can't imagine that would have happened without very good reason.
Like.... Still being away on international duty until Thursday or Friday.
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Just read some stuff about him having removed all Villa related content from his instagram.
A couple of Colombians on X seem to think he was left out of the match day squad and has thrown a tantrum. Hopefully, it's no more than that.
He removed/hid the Villa stuff a week ago.
The Colombians didn't mention when he removed/hid the Villa stuff.
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Very concerning if he’s removed lots of social media content and /or links to villa .
I also said a few weeks ago when he was subbed that he was petulant and threw a tantrum when getting to the bench.
Although I wouldn’t want any harm to come to a young lad miles away in a new country , he never has come across as being a true team/squad player.
Was he the last true Lange signing who pushed for him more than the manager did ?
A lot to learn but hope he’s mentally ok
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Interesting one this, hope he’s OK.
One things for sure Unai won’t take any nonsense.
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Someone mentioned they thought he was angry when he was pulled at half time against Zrinjski and had words with Emery. Just speculation though.
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I'd noticed in the last few games he played in that he seemed to have a bit of an attitude and was having a go at some of the other players on the pitch.
Hope there is nothing in it, but guess we will see on Thursday.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he, or his agent has been told he's being moved on. Just a feeling I have since this has emerged.
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He was on the bench v wolves. I would imagine there is nothing in this. He might have had a silk etc but I don’t think there is much to it. The club seem to really rate him and have big plans for him.
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He was on the bench v wolves. I would imagine there is nothing in this. He might have had a silk etc but I don’t think there is much to it. The club seem to really rate him and have big plans for him.
I don't think were at the stage where he needs to retain King's Counsel ;) :)
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Some rumours of a fall out with UE? Surely not! Duran is still very young but with great potential. Hopefully there's nothing in it, like with Tielemans.....
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I’d be staggered if he doesn’t think he’s at the best place possible and with the best manager.
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I’d be staggered if he doesn’t think he’s at the best place possible and with the best manager.
You'd think so! I sometimes wonder whether players hear stuff about imminent signings before the rest of us - you'd think they would (agents talking to players etc). If we are lining up a centre forward in January that might cause wobbles from the more fringe players. But it's probably a load of old bollocks anyway.
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Be interesting to see if he is involved tomorrow
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If there is any falling out with UE, I doubt we'll hear about it from close to the club. Like we've seen at Man Urinal these last couple of years.
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Someone mentioned they thought he was angry when he was pulled at half time against Zrinjski and had words with Emery. Just speculation though.
Was it at Chelsea that Emery seemed to be furious with him as he was so slow getting ready to come on? After scoring against Palace he probably expected to be on a lot sooner and looked to be sulking on the sideline. Been hooked at half time in two successive ECL games while Watkins has been flying so don't think he has much of a case. Hope it's just a case of him spitting the proverbial dummy and will be back in the fold with a better attitude sooner rather than later.
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Someone mentioned they thought he was angry when he was pulled at half time against Zrinjski and had words with Emery. Just speculation though.
I was surprised he got subbed at half time in that one, he'd been feeding off scraps as the rest of the team in the main were crap first half. The odd times he was involved he looked good. Saying that though, we ended up winning the game so in hindsight you can't really complain, but if he's had a moan at half time knowing he was being subbed i wouldn't be surprised. Overall though, he has had some chances this season for a youngster, and he's done well. At this point he'd be daft to rock the boat all things considered.
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we need better back up for Watkins
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The good thing is that I am not concerned, because with this manager, he'll find a way to make it work.
However, there's a lot of speculation and jumping to conclusions going on here.
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He’s back in training today.
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He’s back in training today.
Hmmm, so he's definitely off then! ;)
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The good thing is that I am not concerned, because with this manager, he'll find a way to make it work.
However, there's a lot of speculation and jumping to conclusions going on here.
The only factual thing we know for sure is that he was playing for Colombia on Wednesday night of last week. To me this still seems the most logical explanation for his omission from the squad for West Ham, as he likely wasn't back in Birmingham/training until Friday.
How he reacted to that is another matter, but most of it had indeed been speculation.
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He’s back in training today.
Hmmm, so he's definitely off then! ;)
Yep. Not in the squad must mean a major blow up with the manager. Insulted the tea lady and other staff and stormed out. But magically all good now.
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Protecting a young player who got back late from international duty surely? Nothing to see here.
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He’s back in training today.
Hmmm, so he's definitely off then! ;)
Yep. Not in the squad must mean a major blow up with the manager. Insulted the tea lady and other staff and stormed out. But magically all good now.
A storm in a tea cup.
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He is on the Plane for tomorrows game, Villa released a video
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He is on the Plane for tomorrows game, Villa released a video
Have we got a video?
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He is on the Plane for tomorrows game, Villa released a video
Have we got a video?
"YES WE'VE GOT A VIDEO"
UTV
The Doc
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From pre match press:
On speculation striker Jhon Duran is angry with the club for a lack of gametime, Emery said: "The only truth is he was not available to play on Sunday because he was injured. I'm not here to control social media for each player. I asked him about it and he told me it's not relevant."
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He may have cleared his Instagram because he's got some big sponsorship thing on the way. Presumably with a Colombian company rather than Walls sausages or Arnold Clark.
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He is on the Plane for tomorrows game, Villa released a video
Have we got a video?
"YES WE'VE GOT A VIDEO"
UTV
The Doc
was that the young ones , for the young ones amongst us 😃
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He may have cleared his Instagram because he's got some big sponsorship thing on the way. Presumably with a Colombian company rather than Walls sausages or Arnold Clark.
Yes it's with Escobar Enterprises Inc 😉
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Came off the bench so it looks like the crisis may be over.
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
That sounds..... believable?
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
That sounds..... believable?
Doing DIY with Agbonlahor!!
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
That sounds..... believable?
Why should the manager need to lie?
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
That sounds..... believable?
Doing DIY with Agbonlahor!!
Wasn't it Vassell?
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
That sounds..... believable?
Why should the manager need to lie?
I don't think he's lying. I just think it sounds like a made up thing.
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What's unbelievable about having an infection in your toe?
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
That sounds..... believable?
Doing DIY with Agbonlahor!!
Wasn't it Vassell?
Probably.
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Unai Emery on Jhon Duran's absence: "He has an infection in his toe."
Sounds very Jermaine Jenas
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H & V injury tin foil hat crew strikes again
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I actually thought he might have been left out today to what is happening with Luiz Diaz.
O.k he isn't as high profile as him but ultimately he's still a Colombian playing in a major european league so given Diaz parents were kidnapped due to their son's status that would play on your mind a bit I think?
Going off what a Colombian is saying on another forum but apparently kidnappings in that country have shot up again to what they were in the 90s in recent times.
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One of my clients' brothers went to Colombia a couple of months ago. He went into the equivalent of a newsagent and got held up at gun point by the store owner. And the Police are just as bad. They'll take people to an ATM and make them make the maximum withdrawal and give it them.
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I actually thought he might have been left out today to what is happening with Luiz Diaz.
O.k he isn't as high profile as him but ultimately he's still a Colombian playing in a major european league so given Diaz parents were kidnapped due to their son's status that would play on your mind a bit I think?
Going off what a Colombian is saying on another forum but apparently kidnappings in that country have shot up again to what they were in the 90s in recent times.
I'd think that was an extremely unlikely reason for him not to be playing. He's from an entirely different part of the country hundreds of miles away for a start.
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I'm going to bet on an in-growing toe nail or possibly some sort of heavy duty foot fungus. A google search reveals that they are very real and not made up.
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I've seen some documentaries on the cartels.
There is a high crime issue.
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Colombia's population is 51.96m
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Until a few years ago, I worked for a company which produced FOBTs (fixed odds betting terminals, slots and stuff like you see at the bookies), we made both the hardware machine and the software.
We were active in a few countries beyond the UK, one of which was Colombia.
In all territories, every now and then we'd get defective machines back which had been broken by angry players, smashed screens, broken buttons, the usual small scale stuff.
In Colombia, we used to get a massive number back which had actually been shot - punter plays, loses, expresses frustration by unloading several bullets into machine.
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I've seen some documentaries on the cartels.
There is a high crime issue.
I like Italian mobsters, but I also like Colombian cartels. Which one is better?
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I'm going to bet on an in-growing toe nail or possibly some sort of heavy duty foot fungus. A google search reveals that they are very real and not made up.
perhaps a bunion
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What's unbelievable about having an infection in your toe?
Nothing, unless he reveals where his toe has been ;)
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I danced with a Colombian a week or so ago. She invited me for dinner tonight but I had to check if it was Día de los Santos or Día de los Muertos.
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I've seen some documentaries on the cartels.
There is a high crime issue.
I like Italian mobsters, but I also like Colombian cartels. Which one is better?
Italians are funnier.
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Italians are funnier.
Funny how?
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I like Italian mobsters, but I also like Colombian cartels. Which one is better?
Italians are funnier.
Funny how?
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Just… the way they quote the story.
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Unai Emery “With Jhon Duran, I have my challenge as a coach with him. He is young & his potential could be great, to be the level of one of the better strikers in the world in the future. But it is about trying to build & to do a process with him”
Sounds like a young kid being a little immature, probably getting a lot of bad advice from agents or mates. Needs to settle down and quickly realize he’s in a really good situation with one of the top managers in the world. He’s got so much in terms of raw talent. Hopefully he comes through this the right way.
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That goal v Palace seems to have gone to his head a bit. The fact that Emery is discussing him at the press conference suggest he needs to wise up and quickly.
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6 month loan to Rotherham would wake him up.
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6 month loan to Rotherham would wake him up.
Can you imagine how disappointed he'd be, when he'd been told he was going to the New York stadium?
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Italians are funnier.
Funny how?
Funny like a clown? They amuse you?
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That goal v Palace seems to have gone to his head a bit. The fact that Emery is discussing him at the press conference suggest he needs to wise up and quickly.
Did he discuss him out the blue or because someone asked a question? I'm pretty sure when he discusses any player, it is how they should improve. He never sees perfection, but how they can improve.
For example when asked about Dougie after he scored two at home against West Ham.
Emery added: "It's credit to him, firstly. He has to be demanding in everything he is doing. I am very happy with him.
"But I think he can do better. There were some moments after he scored the two goals where we were trying to control the game and I wasn't happy because he was too relaxed.
"We have to see where we can improve in everybody. I was very demanding off the players to try and score another goal. After the third goal we controlled the game."
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Yes, there are two ways of reading his words. One is that Duran is a challenging in a problematic way, the other is just that Emery sees it as his job to get the best out of Duran. I suspect it's the latter.
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Yeah can be interpreted either way but no smoke without fire and Duran is definitely a little unhinged . It's whether the sultan can harness this.
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I did think one of his goal celebrations seemed a little overly aggressive. It might have been the Everton one, which granted was amazing, but he looked like someone who thought he was proving a point, sort of staring down the fans after. I just remember thinking what's that about.
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Yes, there are two ways of reading his words. One is that Duran is a challenging in a problematic way, the other is just that Emery sees it as his job to get the best out of Duran. I suspect it's the latter.
That was my reading of it
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Yes, there are two ways of reading his words. One is that Duran is a challenging in a problematic way, the other is just that Emery sees it as his job to get the best out of Duran. I suspect it's the latter.
Could be a bit of both...
After all,
Duran is definitely a little unhinged
- Tim 'in the know at the Villa'?
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Yes, there are two ways of reading his words. One is that Duran is a challenging in a problematic way, the other is just that Emery sees it as his job to get the best out of Duran. I suspect it's the latter.
Could be a bit of both...
After all,
Duran is definitely a little unhinged
- Tim 'in the know at the Villa'?
Could run a good sideline with an ITK website/twitter/whatever account called "TimTheKnow"
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little signs of unhingedness picked up since he joined - inexplicably kicking Luke Shaw , inexplicably kneeing Gomez when he was down, winding up Newcastle defenders without minutes of coming on, staring down the lower north home fans after the everton goal etc etc
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Check out Cracker here.
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little signs of unhingedness picked up since he joined - inexplicably kicking Luke Shaw , inexplicably kneeing Gomez when he was down, winding up Newcastle defenders without minutes of coming on, staring down the lower north home fans after the everton goal etc etc
You talking about the first Villa goal when he ran to the corner of the North / Trinity and was staring towards the Trinity, maybe towards where family and friends sat (going on that was about where the Mascot family and friends sat when my niece was one).
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Check out Cracker here.
More Sigmund Fraud.
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STOP PRESS “ young footballer disappointed to not be playing more minutes”.
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Nothing in it at all. Leave it to UE to get the best out of Jhon Duran.
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Check out Cracker here.
Ha ha, that made me chuckle.
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STOP PRESS “ young footballer disappointed to not be playing more minutes”.
'... oh, and is a bit petulant with it"
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Yes, there are two ways of reading his words. One is that Duran is a challenging in a problematic way, the other is just that Emery sees it as his job to get the best out of Duran. I suspect it's the latter.
Could be a bit of both...
After all,
Duran is definitely a little unhinged
- Tim 'in the know at the Villa'?
Could run a good sideline with an ITK website/twitter/whatever account called "TimTheKnow"
Footy might buy into that ...
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little signs of unhingedness picked up since he joined - inexplicably kicking Luke Shaw , inexplicably kneeing Gomez when he was down, winding up Newcastle defenders without minutes of coming on, staring down the lower north home fans after the everton goal etc etc
Yeah he was staring the home fans out. Bizarre really
You talking about the first Villa goal when he ran to the corner of the North / Trinity and was staring towards the Trinity, maybe towards where family and friends sat (going on that was about where the Mascot family and friends sat when my niece was one).
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When Unai says that Duran is a "challenge" this could be interpreted as referring to personality issues; or the problem of getting him fit and firing on all cylinders.
I doubt very much if Unai would reveal any problems relating to Duran's attitude in a presser - he's far too good a coach to fall into that trap.
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The only other player Uni has said anything vaguely resembling negative about has been Donk, who hasn't featured a lot since.
I don't see us getting to January without using Duran, even if he is a massive twat or something.
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How’s his veruca?
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I think we are reading too much into the word challange.
He's 19yo in a foreign country. I really think the challange is more about the fact he has the potential to be a world class player, but how do Villa and Unai make that happen, whilst having him help the squads immediate needs.
The comparison with Donk is a red-herring. He's not playing cos hes a bit shit, and a Taylor Swift fan
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Is he likely to start on Thursday?
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As ever I expect this is miles out, but my guess at the situation goes something like this.
- Pre-Emery, the club are working behind the scenes to bring Duran in
- Emery arrives, and in the January transfer window, the club say that they've put a lot of spadework in and would he mind if the transfer completes?
- Emery not really in a position yet to say no, agrees on the basis that his other targets aren't affected
- Emery does brilliantly, and sees as it as worth his time to assist with the Duran project due to seeing glimpses of raw talent
- Duran starts to get a bit of a face on at lack of playing time
- Emery hasn't bought the player and isn't yet totally convinced so isn't having any of it
- January 2024 Duran goes out on loan to somebody doing well in the Championship like West Brom where Emery can keep an eye on him
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Id reckon that is pretty accurate
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Is he likely to start on Thursday?
He didn't start in Alkmaar so can't see it.
It's frustrating what seems to be happening as his goals to minutes ratio in opening two months was very decent and the Palace goal is example of what we're going to need at points this season, a sub scoring a goal out of little to turn the game in our favour.
If UE has suddenly gone cold on him then we certainly need a new CF in January given Traore wasn't trusted to turn the game today.
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I think him going out on loan would be dependent on someone coming in.
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I think him going out on loan would be dependent on someone coming in.
We will end up picking up half his wages or more while he tries to cut it in the lower reaches of the championship. Really a bizarre signing this one .
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Didn't realise his pay was public knowledge.
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I think him going out on loan would be dependent on someone coming in.
Really a bizarre signing this one .
Good god Tim, that really is bollocks.
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What’s bizarre is someone thinking it’s bizarre us signing a young prospect with a lot of talent who wants to play more and is injured. The top teams sign these types of players all the time. Keep them in their academies, send them out on loan and sell them off to balance FFP. I don’t see anything bizarre about it. He will make it with us or be sold or loaned out. Not that complex.
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Ł20m for a totally unproven kid out of the diabolical MLS , i found it an odd signing
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Ł20m for a totally unproven kid out of the diabolical MLS , i found it an odd signing
A Colombian international.
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Ł20m for a totally unproven kid out of the diabolical MLS , i found it an odd signing
It was less than Ł15m. Basically what Burnley gave us for Ramsey Jnr. He was completely unknown to pretty much everyone here, but it's unfair to say he was "totally unproven". He'd scored goals in Colombia, and the MLS, and despite only just turning 19, he'd also made his international debut for the team ranked by FIFA just one place behind Germany. He's now also scored a couple of very nice goals for us.
Let's not pretend we lifted him from obscurity and someone's youth team. Was it a gamble? Absolutely! Will it turn out to be a waste of money? Who knows - it very well might! But Ł15m for a young and promising South American forward isn't crazy money. The fact that we spent money on him, and not on a more established forward to compete with Watkins (which we all wanted), isn't his fault.
Personally, I'm still on the fence with him, I've seen glimpses of some real talent, but at other times he's looks awkward and a bit clumsy. But being as young as he is, he gets the benefit of time, with me, at least.
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I think him going out on loan would be dependent on someone coming in.
Really a bizarre signing this one .
Good god Tim, that really is bollocks.
TBF, he is consistent in his criticism. Same person who posted he was a "competition winner" allowed on the pitch as well. Seems every time Archer scores Duran gets the moans.
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What’s bizarre is someone thinking it’s bizarre us signing a young prospect with a lot of talent who wants to play more and is injured. The top teams sign these types of players all the time. Keep them in their academies, send them out on loan and sell them off to balance FFP. I don’t see anything bizarre about it. He will make it with us or be sold or loaned out. Not that complex.
Sorry I'm with Villa Tim on this one. I'm all for buying up good young talent and it's clearly a part of our overall strategy. But Ł18m on an unproven kid from the MLS looked a bit crazy, especially when it was mostly done without the incoming manager's input. Looks like a Brewster at Sheffield United kind of decision so far. I think we desperately need another proper striker in January, just to give us options.
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It looked more of a gamble at the time than it does now. He’s been good every time he’s played this season, 4 goals is it so far, the ones against Hibs and Palace the standard of a top class PL striker. Even at the time as others have pointed out he had already made his debut for Colombia and had been scoring for his club, so hardly bizarre.
Admittedly if it turns out that his attitude is shit and he disappears into obscurity within a couple of years you might say with hindsight it wasn’t a great move. For now he looks worth every penny, and some.
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Each to their own, I don't think he looks remotely like he's worth Ł18m, yet.
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The reality is that unfulfilled potential has a price, and sometimes, that potential remains unfulfilled indefinitely. He might not look worth Ł15m+ right now, but he signed less than a year ago, having just turned 19. I'd be surprised if he had fulfilled his potential already.
I think we have to get comfortable with the idea of paying what we feel is too much for as-yet-unfulfilled potential, because the finished article is still going to be too expensive, or out of our reach (until we're regularly offering top-level European football and realistic ambitions for a trophy each year).
Other teams above us have been paying above the odds for youngsters for years. Even Brighton, who everyone lauds for their player development, do this. They spent Ł25m on a 19-year-old midfielder from France in the summer, and he's made a total of 3 appearances this season. He might be worth Ł100m in two years, or he might be let go for pennies. Who knows? Every year they buy a few young players in the 5-10m range; and they don't all work out. The point is, spending a lot on 'promise', has to be considered "normal" moving forward, especially in the world of FFP.
Yes, we might spend Ł50m on four or five younger players, but if one of them turns out to be the next Dougie, then it'll be worth it. The trick is having more hits than misses, and it'll be a while before we know where we are in those terms. Hopefully Monchi will help with that hit-rate.
And obviously all of this doesn't have to be INSTEAD of buying established players (which I think was everyone's main complaint when Dhuran signed) - it's just easier to buy 'promise' from our current position than buying the finished article.
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Not that it makes much difference but it is Ł15 mil with add ons. What the latter consists of and whether we have triggered any, or will trigger any during his stay here remains to be seen.
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The reality is that unfulfilled potential has a price, and sometimes, that potential remains unfulfilled indefinitely. He might not look worth Ł15m+ right now, but he signed less than a year ago, having just turned 19. I'd be surprised if he had fulfilled his potential already.
I think we have to get comfortable with the idea of paying what we feel is too much for as-yet-unfulfilled potential, because the finished article is still going to be too expensive, or out of our reach (until we're regularly offering top-level European football and realistic ambitions for a trophy each year).
Other teams above us have been paying above the odds for youngsters for years. Even Brighton, who everyone lauds for their player development, do this. They spent Ł25m on a 19-year-old midfielder from France in the summer, and he's made a total of 3 appearances this season. He might be worth Ł100m in two years, or he might be let go for pennies. Who knows? Every year they buy a few young players in the 5-10m range; and they don't all work out. The point is, spending a lot on 'promise', has to be considered "normal" moving forward, especially in the world of FFP.
Yes, we might spend Ł50m on four or five younger players, but if one of them turns out to be the next Dougie, then it'll be worth it. The trick is having more hits than misses, and it'll be a while before we know where we are in those terms. Hopefully Monchi will help with that hit-rate.
And obviously all of this doesn't have to be INSTEAD of buying established players (which I think was everyone's main complaint when Dhuran signed) - it's just easier to buy 'promise' from our current position than buying the finished article.
Torres, Diaby, Moreno, Carlos, Tielemans?
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Carlos was under Stevie G wasn't he?
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Carlos was under Stevie G wasn't he?
Yes but the point is we've brought in quite a few 'finished articles'.
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What’s bizarre is someone thinking it’s bizarre us signing a young prospect with a lot of talent who wants to play more and is injured. The top teams sign these types of players all the time. Keep them in their academies, send them out on loan and sell them off to balance FFP. I don’t see anything bizarre about it. He will make it with us or be sold or loaned out. Not that complex.
Sorry I'm with Villa Tim on this one. I'm all for buying up good young talent and it's clearly a part of our overall strategy. But Ł18m on an unproven kid from the MLS looked a bit crazy, especially when it was mostly done without the incoming manager's input. Looks like a Brewster at Sheffield United kind of decision so far. I think we desperately need another proper striker in January, just to give us options.
Brewster only wishes he was half the player Duran is or that he scored the goals Duran already has in the PL or europe. If we are going to operate at the upper echelons of the PL and European competition then we need to make signings like this. And as with all signings they don't all come off. Our rivals for those top spots sign players with an eye to the future, and we need to do the same. If not for us then ultimately to sell on as we have with Archer. I don't dismiss the broader point of needing another forward to genuinely compete with Ollie. We are genuinely way too light in our options up front.
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I genuinely agree!
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I genuinely agree!
fuck. I genuinely hate when I put the same word twice close by in sentences.
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The reality is that unfulfilled potential has a price, and sometimes, that potential remains unfulfilled indefinitely. He might not look worth Ł15m+ right now, but he signed less than a year ago, having just turned 19. I'd be surprised if he had fulfilled his potential already.
I think we have to get comfortable with the idea of paying what we feel is too much for as-yet-unfulfilled potential, because the finished article is still going to be too expensive, or out of our reach (until we're regularly offering top-level European football and realistic ambitions for a trophy each year).
Other teams above us have been paying above the odds for youngsters for years. Even Brighton, who everyone lauds for their player development, do this. They spent Ł25m on a 19-year-old midfielder from France in the summer, and he's made a total of 3 appearances this season. He might be worth Ł100m in two years, or he might be let go for pennies. Who knows? Every year they buy a few young players in the 5-10m range; and they don't all work out. The point is, spending a lot on 'promise', has to be considered "normal" moving forward, especially in the world of FFP.
Yes, we might spend Ł50m on four or five younger players, but if one of them turns out to be the next Dougie, then it'll be worth it. The trick is having more hits than misses, and it'll be a while before we know where we are in those terms. Hopefully Monchi will help with that hit-rate.
And obviously all of this doesn't have to be INSTEAD of buying established players (which I think was everyone's main complaint when Dhuran signed) - it's just easier to buy 'promise' from our current position than buying the finished article.
Torres, Diaby, Moreno, Carlos, Tielemans?
I meant buying players like Dhuran cheaper, when you're still buying potential, instead of the finished article - not suggesting we don't buy any players that are the finished article. As I put at the bottom, this isn't an either/or situation. We can still buy established players, but buying promise gives us a chance of getting some genuinely top-class talent that wouldn't otherwise be available to us.
Someone like Osimhen went for Ł12m to Lille as a 20-year-old having scored 20 goals as a teenager in Belgium. We could have afforded that. We certainly can't afford him now. Lille did the same again with Jonathan David to replace Osimhen. There are players out there now, available at prices like we've paid for Dhuran, who we won't be able to afford in three or four years (unless we've become regular title challengers, which is obviously possible). I'm happy for the club to try and buy a few of them.
All of those players you listed are great, and all have improved us, and I hope we continue buying players of that calibre (and better), but wouldn't it be great if we could find a few bargains along the way to keep ourselves competitive and the right side of FFP?
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Ł20m for a totally unproven kid out of the diabolical MLS , i found it an odd signing
A Colombian international.
so was Carlos Sanchez. "The wardrobe" wasnt it? His feet moved like one. Duran has ability but needs to wise up, be humble and wait for his chance. Could have been a useful sub for us at the weekend actually.
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Each to their own, I don't think he looks remotely like he's worth Ł18m, yet.
Nowhere near it for me either , a Colombian Jordan Bowery. I guess we all see things differently though.
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Each to their own, I don't think he looks remotely like he's worth Ł18m, yet.
Nowhere near it for me either , a Colombian Jordan Bowery. I guess we all see things differently though.
Oh dear. That's up there with them.
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Yeah, not sure Jordan was identified as one of the 60 best young players in the world as a 17 year old.
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Yeah, not sure Jordan was identified as one of the 60 best young players in the world as a 17 year old.
I'm also not sure those lists are terribly reliable though. I remember 4-4-2 ranking John Welsh (whoooooooo?) and Jermine Pennant in their top 20 young players, ahead of Zlatan Ibrahimovich and Iniesta.
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Pennant's the same age as Ibrahimovic?? Well, judging by complexion you can tell which one's spent longest outdoors.
Anyway, not sure what this adds to the discussion, but didn't Aspinall become the world's most expensive teenager when everton bought him?
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Pennant's the same age as Ibrahimovic?? Well, judging by complexion you can tell which one's spent longest outdoors.
Just over a year between them.
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Yeah, not sure Jordan was identified as one of the 60 best young players in the world as a 17 year old.
I'm also not sure those lists are terribly reliable though. I remember 4-4-2 ranking John Welsh (whoooooooo?) and Jermine Pennant in their top 20 young players, ahead of Zlatan Ibrahimovich and Iniesta.
This is the full list you mention I suspect (https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news-top-10s-legends-fourfourtwo-named-the-top-100-young-players-in-2001-20200111).
Obviously they don't have the spiel from the article, but were the numbers arbitrary or did they actually mean 1 was a better youth player in their opinion then 100?
Also, of the 100, a significant amount of them did go on to have careers at a high level (if they didn't suffer injuries early on in their career). Granted I haven't googled all of them to see though.
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Ł20m for a totally unproven kid out of the diabolical MLS , i found it an odd signing
And yet some on here were hailing him as a potential Benteke-like player?
It's far too early to judge whether a 19 yr old will cut it; looks like a gamble on a young international who has plenty to prove.
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I'm not sure about Durán but I think we have to take into consideration just how much we have improved under Emery, even since Durán got here. A young but raw talent would look very different in the Villa side of 2 or 3 years ago. So maybe we're holding him to a slightly higher standard then we should be, or expecting him to be at a higher level a lot quicker.
That said, if he's not adapting or getting to the place Emery wants him to be at, then we definitely need to get someone else in in January, and if that means he goes on loan, then so be it.
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thank god he will be 20 very soon as being 19 seems to be giving him lots of excuses
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He's far better at 19 than Archer was at the same age, he's quite possibly better as a 19/20 year old than Archer is as a 21/22 year old. And yet he seems to be judged far more harshly than Archer has ever been.
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He's far better at 19 than Archer was at the same age, he's quite possibly better as a 19/20 year old than Archer is as a 21/22 year old. And yet he seems to be judged far more harshly than Archer has ever been.
well for me he's miles off Archer at the moment . I know who i'd rather have at the club
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And i'll take the fella 2 years younger that's got a far better goals per minutes ratio.
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And i'll take the fella 2 years younger that's got a far better goals per minutes ratio.
Archer wasn't given the chance at this club. Nor was Jaden
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2 years ago Archer had just failed to do anything in the Conference. And he was still a couple of months away from scoring a few in the Championship.
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2 years ago Archer had just failed to do anything in the Conference. And he was still a couple of months away from scoring a few in the Championship.
He improved by doing the hard yards in non league and then the Championship. Exactly what Duran needs to do . He isn't EPL level. Miles off it and it appears his attitude is that of a nob
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
he's shown signs on the pitch of being a little bit spicy
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Duran has moved country twice, Archer moved 10 mins up the road to Solihull. Duran has more career league appearances. Maybe it will turn out Duran is a wrong 'un but at 19/20 he's done more 'hard yards' than Archer had.
This isn't meant to be Archer bashing, I think he's decent and hope he has a cracking career, but pointing out the very different way both are judged by some.
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
he's shown signs on the pitch of being a little bit spicy
You get upset over chips.
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Tim you do have some “interesting” views on some things.
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
he's shown signs on the pitch of being a little bit spicy
I like spicy! On that note I'm off for a curry.
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Why does it have to be a competition between the two? It’s possible to think that Duran isn’t all that without pining for Archer. I think both are good prospects, but that’s not good enough for what we need.
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
Apparently he hit Luke Shaw off the ball and another player last season, none of which was anything that got Var interested, or most fans at the time as they passed me by. And if you score your first goal and try to do a mic drop unemotional moment, it is seen as "squaring up to the North Stand lower fans" even when he was actually looking up into the Trinity middle, (about where the comp seats for friends and family go I reckon).
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Ł20m for a totally unproven kid out of the diabolical MLS , i found it an odd signing
Ł14.5m
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
Apparently he hit Luke Shaw off the ball and another player last season, none of which was anything that got Var interested, or most fans at the time as they passed me by. And if you score your first goal and try to do a mic drop unemotional moment, it is seen as "squaring up to the North Stand lower fans" even when he was actually looking up into the Trinity middle, (about where the comp seats for friends and family go I reckon).
He petulantly kicked Shaw in the shin off the ball
The 2nd incident he decided to knee Gomez in the ribs whilst he was kneeling down
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Is there any proof he has a poor attitude or is it just speculation?
Apparently he hit Luke Shaw off the ball and another player last season, none of which was anything that got Var interested, or most fans at the time as they passed me by. And if you score your first goal and try to do a mic drop unemotional moment, it is seen as "squaring up to the North Stand lower fans" even when he was actually looking up into the Trinity middle, (about where the comp seats for friends and family go I reckon).
He petulantly kicked Shaw in the shin off the ball
I like him even more now
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Why does it have to be a competition between the two? It’s possible to think that Duran isn’t all that without pining for Archer. I think both are good prospects, but that’s not good enough for what we need.
And that's it isn't it? We have what is largely a young squad with some more experienced and some novices in there too. We're light on numbers in one or two areas, up front being the main one and the question is what sort of player do you want as an understudy to Watkins?
We had Danny Ings, and he's gone, now we've got Duran, who has bags of potential but isn't as experienced. I prefer the latter, as someone that can and will learn and develop. Will he be happy? He's hungry, which is a positive, but has he got enough to lead the line in Europe and Cup games and the League if Watkins is out?
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Why does it have to be a competition between the two? It’s possible to think that Duran isn’t all that without pining for Archer. I think both are good prospects, but that’s not good enough for what we need.
And that's it isn't it? We have what is largely a young squad with some more experienced and some novices in there too. We're light on numbers in one or two areas, up front being the main one and the question is what sort of player do you want as an understudy to Watkins?
We had Danny Ings, and he's gone, now we've got Duran, who has bags of potential but isn't as experienced. I prefer the latter, as someone that can and will learn and develop. Will he be happy? He's hungry, which is a positive, but has he got enough to lead the line in Europe and Cup games and the League if Watkins is out?
We're lucky in that Watkins is a) very good and b) seems fairly unbreakable (touches wood) but we've still got nobody to come on and be as much of a threat if he's in one of his cow's arse/banjo days. I know it's difficult to bring in a top line striker, but there has to be somebody out there who's more mobile than Ings as well as being more experienced than Duran, who'd be happy to play second fiddle to/challenge Ollie. And no, I don't know who that might be.
And obviously if Watkins ever did get a lengthy injury, as it stands we've got precisely nobody to replace him and what he does.
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Why does it have to be a competition between the two? It’s possible to think that Duran isn’t all that without pining for Archer. I think both are good prospects, but that’s not good enough for what we need.
And that's it isn't it? We have what is largely a young squad with some more experienced and some novices in there too. We're light on numbers in one or two areas, up front being the main one and the question is what sort of player do you want as an understudy to Watkins?
We had Danny Ings, and he's gone, now we've got Duran, who has bags of potential but isn't as experienced. I prefer the latter, as someone that can and will learn and develop. Will he be happy? He's hungry, which is a positive, but has he got enough to lead the line in Europe and Cup games and the League if Watkins is out?
We're lucky in that Watkins is a) very good and b) seems fairly unbreakable (touches wood) but we've still got nobody to come on and be as much of a threat if he's in one of his cow's arse/banjo days. I know it's difficult to bring in a top line striker, but there has to be somebody out there who's more mobile than Ings as well as being more experienced than Duran, who'd be happy to play second fiddle to/challenge Ollie. And no, I don't know who that might be.
And obviously if Watkins ever did get a lengthy injury, as it stands we've got precisely nobody to replace him and what he does.
Agree.
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I agree too.
We are walking a fine line with Watkins.
Before anyone says it, no, I don't mean lets go and get somewhere better, but if Newcastle can have Isak backed up by Wilson, then surely we can find a solution too.
I reckon, as things are now, if Watkins or Martinez picked up a bad injury, that'd effectively be our season bollocksed.
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I agree too.
We are walking a fine line with Watkins.
Before anyone says it, no, I don't mean lets go and get somewhere better, but if Newcastle can have Isak backed up by Wilson, then surely we can find a solution too.
I didn't realise Wilson is 31, nearly 32. I thought he was much younger and wondered how long he'd be happy playing backup to Isak. But at 31 he's probably not going to be first choice for another team competing at the same level.
I have seen Newcastle linked with several strikers for January, so maybe we could actually have Callum Wilson as our backup.
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I don't think he'd want to leave Newcastle to be honest, even if they do sign somebody else. He seems to accept his second fiddle role, and plays it brilliantly.
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Plus he's a Cov twat.
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So is Maddison, but I'd have him as well.
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You need to be more demanding.
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So is Maddison, but I'd have him as well.
Neither of them would come here though. We need to cast the net further than them too pillocks
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I don't think he'd want to leave Newcastle to be honest, even if they do sign somebody else. He seems to accept his second fiddle role, and plays it brilliantly.
If they sign someone else he becomes 3rd fiddle though. I'm not seriously suggesting we try to sign him, but the fact he's nearly 32 and still playing at that level suggests that we don't need to be looking at signing an eventual Watkins replacement, especially if we have faith in Durán getting there eventually.
Although, as many including myself have pointed out, it's the who of it that's the problem. Not many undiscovered 32 year olds knocking about.
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I reckon, as things are now, if Watkins or Martinez picked up a bad injury, that'd effectively be our season bollocksed.
I have gone all bloody season thinking it silently, not once voicing it and here you are typing it all out you ****ing jinx!
This year goes pear shaped in the above fashion, I won’t blame squad building, transfer windows, Monchi, Emery or bad luck, I’m blaming you. Eh-eh
I need to get to the fridge for some gabagool, hopefully it might calm me down.
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Plus Wilson also rejected us when the choice was us or Newcastle, so the Cov wanker can stick it up his arse.
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I reckon, as things are now, if Watkins or Martinez picked up a bad injury, that'd effectively be our season bollocksed.
I have gone all bloody season thinking it silently, not once voicing it and here you are typing it all out you ****ing jinx!
This year goes pear shaped in the above fashion, I won’t blame squad building, transfer windows, Monchi, Emery or bad luck, I’m blaming you. Eh-eh
I need to get to the fridge for some gabagool, hopefully it might calm me down.
It's alright, no need to panic, I'm never justified when i voice these types of concerns
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Anyway, what's the fucking point of evil genius of the transfer market Monchi if he can't find, somewhere in Europe, a decent second choice striker for Watkins?
It's not easy in that there's not a queue of them counting down the days till January so they can come here, but it's also not impossible for someone of his ilk.
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Can't wait til January . A) it will mean Xmas is over B) we can buy a striker C) we can buy a RB
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Some reports emerging saying he'll be loaned out in January. Can't say I'm surprised.
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Some reports = Football Insider.
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Some reports = Football Insider.
No smoke without fire and would make sense given the last few weeks
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Some reports = Football Insider.
No smoke without fire and would make sense given the last few weeks
All depends if you believe there is actually smoke or if you’ve decided to make things up in your head. And it suggests you’ve decided the manager is lying or deceiving us.
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The manager says he needs to put him through a process. He needs games . That process may involve a loan . Emery didn't sign him by the way.
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Football Insider's whole model is coming out with enough made up shite that once in a blue moon it actually happens, so that footballing simpletons start following them. The Tim Lovejoy of football pages.
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Villa Tim's obsession with Jhon Duran is very weird.
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January not far off so we will soon find out Clampi
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
Would leave us extremely light - non existent - were Watkins injured or need a break.
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
Would leave us extremely light - non existent - were Watkins injured or need a break.
We need another striker anyway , any long term lay off for Watkins and Duran isn't the answer though maybe Zaniolo could fill in .
Duran needs regular games now for developing, sitting on the bench scowling isn't going to develop him
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January not far off so we will soon find out Clampi
I'm not as concerned about it as you are.
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January not far off so we will soon find out Clampi
I'm not as concerned about it as you are.
It seems like you are though.
In the best interests of his development he should be playing regularly. He isn't going to get that here. Let's see what January brings
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
Would leave us extremely light - non existent - were Watkins injured or need a break.
We need another striker anyway , any long term lay off for Watkins and Duran isn't the answer though maybe Zaniolo could fill in .
Duran needs regular games now for developing, sitting on the bench scowling isn't going to develop him
TBF Zaniolo has be pretty prolific ;-)
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January not far off so we will soon find out Clampi
I'm not as concerned about it as you are.
It seems like you are though.
In the best interests of his development he should be playing regularly. He isn't going to get that here. Let's see what January brings
No, I'm really not, otherwise I would have said so. Whatever happens with him in January (if anything actually does) will happen.
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
Would leave us extremely light - non existent - were Watkins injured or need a break.
We need another striker anyway , any long term lay off for Watkins and Duran isn't the answer though maybe Zaniolo could fill in .
Duran needs regular games now for developing, sitting on the bench scowling isn't going to develop him
TBF Zaniolo has be pretty prolific ;-)
I think he'd hold the ball up well and link play (in an emergency setting if Watkins was out and we didn't sign a striker in January)
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
Would leave us extremely light - non existent - were Watkins injured or need a break.
We need another striker anyway , any long term lay off for Watkins and Duran isn't the answer though maybe Zaniolo could fill in .
Duran needs regular games now for developing, sitting on the bench scowling isn't going to develop him
TBF Zaniolo has be pretty prolific ;-)
I think he'd hold the ball up well and link play (in an emergency setting if Watkins was out and we didn't sign a striker in January)
I would like to see him in the final 3rd more than we do - I think against a low block swapping him with Diaby - so Diaby can use some of the space and he Zaniolo adds strength along side Watkins could work well. though on balance - guess Im happy to trust Unai judgement
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It wouldn’t exactly be a stunner if he went out on loan would it? He’s a young kid that needs to develop. It doesn’t mean there is any more to it than that which you’ve been hinting at.
Would leave us extremely light - non existent - were Watkins injured or need a break.
I wouldn’t expect it happen if we didn’t have someone coming in. I think we will be after a second forward and right back.
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Some reports = Football Insider.
No smoke without fire and would make sense given the last few weeks
You are absolutely obsessed, and keep saying "no smoke without fire", which when applied to football gossip is probably about the dumbest thing you could keep saying.
There is no reliable evidence of any issues at all ffs give it a rest
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January not far off so we will soon find out Clampi
I'm not as concerned about it as you are.
It seems like you are though.
In the best interests of his development he should be playing regularly. He isn't going to get that here. Let's see what January brings
I'm confident that emery and team have a better idea than you of whats best for his development
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January not far off so we will soon find out Clampi
I'm not as concerned about it as you are.
It seems like you are though.
In the best interests of his development he should be playing regularly. He isn't going to get that here. Let's see what January brings
I'm confident that emery and team have a better idea than you of whats best for his development
Duh do you think so ! Thanks for that Einstein .
We are allowed to speculate without being called dumb !!! Now cut out the personal insults maybe and grow up
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Not a great showing tonight got frustrated and luckily not sent off.
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He's a complete liability.
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I'd be looking to loan him. Needs a bunch of games and we need a more reliable touch and temperament in these situations.
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Actually seems a bit crap
Need back up on Jan
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I just don’t get the signing. Paid a small fortune for a player who’s not as good as the young players we’ve sold.
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I just don’t get the signing. Paid a small fortune for a player who’s not as good as the young players we’ve sold.
It's impossible not to look at Archer tonight and compare him to Duran. To be honest I thought Archer had a rubbish first half and gave his team nothing. But he came out a different player in second half, started giving us problems before his goal. Thought he showed a lot of maturity as it's not easy playing up top feeding off scraps.
Duran came on and played like an unhinged idiot.
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He brings the chaos, sometimes it has a limited use, tonight it really, really didn’t.
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Involved in holding the ball up in the penalty area and making Watkins best chance, and then has that stupid swipe with his arm as well.
Overall we didn’t do enough to win the game and he was only a small part in that.
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Archer did well to get his goal. But some of us do have a tendency to go all in on writing players off - Watkins, Bailey, Digne, Tielemans, Torres come to mind. Doesn’t mean Duran is going to be a star, but he’s had some cracking moments in his limited appearances. I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s a no hoper, he still created a chance for Ollie.
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I like Duran, he's still rough round the edges but I like him and his chaos. He's 2 years younger than Archer, and despite 0 league starts while i'd imagine Cam has over a dozen I bet JD has a better goals per minutes ratio this season in the league.
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I just don’t get the signing. Paid a small fortune for a player who’s not as good as the young players we’ve sold.
It's impossible not to look at Archer tonight and compare him to Duran. To be honest I thought Archer had a rubbish first half and gave his team nothing. But he came out a different player in second half, started giving us problems before his goal. Thought he showed a lot of maturity as it's not easy playing up top feeding off scraps.
Duran came on and played like an unhinged idiot.
He got sod all service in the first half.
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Duran strikes me as the type we would have signed when we’re signing any old shite just to see if it might come off.
Simon Dawkins type shite.
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Duran strikes me as the type we would have signed when we’re signing any old shite just to see if it might come off.
Simon Dawkins type shite.
All entitled to our opinions Andy, but I think that’s an utterly ridiculous comparison.
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Lets be honest , Duran is not anywhere near top end Prem level , again looked totally out of his depth . We backed the wrong horse, very happy for Archer for his goal gutted it denied us the 3 points though
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Far too soon to make that call.
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Duran strikes me as the type we would have signed when we’re signing any old shite just to see if it might come off.
Simon Dawkins type shite.
i was thinking more Jordan Bowery
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Yawn.
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I just don't think he's anywhere near good enough for us to be chucking him on hoping to change a game. I really think he needs a loan and consistent football somewhere to see whether he could become that game changer (or starter). I don't see erratic 15 minutes here or there at this level changing anything.
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Well he literally has done that at this level, remember Palace at home?
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Duran's introduction tonight could have worked, but it served to cause chaos and give them the ball more often than not.
Archer scored a neat goal, but that was really down to Hamer who did make a difference to their team. I couldn't say I would really want Archer back based on what I saw tonight or from what I've seen on TV.
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I do, that doesn't mean he isn't largely poor when he comes on. I don't expect people to change their mind on Zaniolo either just for scoring one goal tonight.
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Duran's silly foul lead to their goal. Emery won't have not noticed,
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But he did change it at this level right? I just think people tend to be led by the result, and I understand why, but if Archer doesn’t score I’m sure Duran’s long-term suitability isn’t being queried. He’s clearly had an impact in limited minutes this year, he didn’t really today, but lots of players struggled.
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And when Archer was used in the same way limited way that Duran did when he was 20/21, people were moaning he would not make it either.
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But there will have been many poor players who have at some point come on and scored a goal, even Heskey* would have done it at some point. From what I have seen of him I just don't agree that he has shown enough. Fair enough if you do, I just don't see it.
*bit harsh, apologies Emile. I actually don't dislike him as much as some do.
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Duran's silly foul lead to their goal. Emery won't have not noticed,
Did it? I genuinely have not seen the incident but did he foul the defender on the edge of our box? Because the highlight of the goal seemed to show their player with the ball 20 yards in our half being allowed the time and space to play a pass that beat our offside trap, our captain then being sold a dummy cross that put him in the north stand and then no defender picking up Archer. I think that was what lead to their goal.
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Duran's silly foul lead to their goal. Emery won't have not noticed,
Did it? I genuinely have not seen the incident but did he foul the defender on the edge of our box? Because the highlight of the goal seemed to show their player with the ball 20 yards in our half being allowed the time and space to play a pass that beat our offside trap, our captain then being sold a dummy cross that put him in the north stand and then no defender picking up Archer. I think that was what lead to their goal.
it all started from the free kick
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Struggling to think of a worse cameo tbh.
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Whatever the relative merits of his ability, he’s one of the most brainless footballers I’ve seen. Always charging round doing stupid things.
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I said this at the time but when it comes to selling the young players and keeping Durán, I'd assume it was because we were trying to make some FFP wriggle room, and nobody was going to pay us anything decent for Durán last summer.
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Whatever the relative merits of his ability, he’s one of the most brainless footballers I’ve seen. Always charging round doing stupid things.
Sambaesque.
We absolutely definitely need another attacking option, hopefully in January.
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We'll never be taken seriously when we are throwing the likes of Duran on to rescue something.
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He's been effective when he's come in the past (that goal against Everton was a belter) but he didn't do much today. Brainless is a bit harsh mind.
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He's been effective when he's come in the past (that goal against Everton was a belter) but he didn't do much today. Brainless is a bit harsh mind.
I think brainless is a pretty tough thing to call anyone, it's extreme, but he does look a pretty unsophisticated player.
Will score the odd goal like that one against Palace, but doesn't strike me as the type to be able to go out and carry out the manager's detailed instructions to the letter.
He might become that, but he's certainly not it yet. My concern is that he's basically our only other option.
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He was garbage tonight and was a huge factor in the part of the game when we lost control. Gave the foul that led to their goal and was generally an absolute liability
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He was garbage tonight and was a huge factor in the part of the game when we lost control. Gave the foul that led to their goal and was generally an absolute liability
100% this . Total liability and looked like the Colombian Jordan Bowery again. The sooner he's loaned out to learn the English game the better
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Yep, brainless is a bit ridiculous. He's still young though. He's not been great but he's not been terrible either. I bet there are were a few in the crowd today thinking at the time he should come on.
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He's been effective when he's come in the past (that goal against Everton was a belter) but he didn't do much today. Brainless is a bit harsh mind.
I think brainless is a pretty tough thing to call anyone, it's extreme, but he does look a pretty unsophisticated player.
Will score the odd goal like that one against Palace, but doesn't strike me as the type to be able to go out and carry out the manager's detailed instructions to the letter.
He might become that, but he's certainly not it yet. My concern is that he's basically our only other option.
Just to clarify, not brainless as in stupid, brainless as in lacking footballing intelligence.
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Yep, brainless is a bit ridiculous. He's still young though. He's not been great but he's not been terrible either. I bet there are were a few in the crowd today thinking at the time he should come on.
The problem isn't whether he's ready or not, too young or not too young, it is that he's our only 'other option' up front.
What happens if Ollie gets a knock?
Right back, back up goalkeeper, another option up front - that is where we have proper weaknesses.
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Yep, brainless is a bit ridiculous. He's still young though. He's not been great but he's not been terrible either. I bet there are were a few in the crowd today thinking at the time he should come on.
Only because we had no other option, would of been nice to have Archer on our bench tonight.
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He was garbage tonight and was a huge factor in the part of the game when we lost control. Gave the foul that led to their goal and was generally an absolute liability
And again, if someone told me someone gave a foul that led to a goal, it is normally giving one which is dangerous around the box and is either scored directly or played directly into the box and scored. We had plenty of chances from four/ five players to stop that goal in normal play and fluffed them all.
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Yep, brainless is a bit ridiculous. He's still young though. He's not been great but he's not been terrible either. I bet there are were a few in the crowd today thinking at the time he should come on.
The problem isn't whether he's ready or not, too young or not too young, it is that he's our only 'other option' up front.
What happens if Ollie gets a knock?
Right back, back up goalkeeper, another option up front - that is where we have proper weaknesses.
I agree with this, although I suspect Diaby and even Zaniolo could play leading the line at a pinch and might do better in that role then they currently do or might do worse. Afterall we also went through a section when Duran wasn't on the bench.
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He might well be a work in progress which is fine. At the moment he’s a liability. Zaniolo should have been the player to come on at that point.
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Yep, brainless is a bit ridiculous. He's still young though. He's not been great but he's not been terrible either. I bet there are were a few in the crowd today thinking at the time he should come on.
The problem isn't whether he's ready or not, too young or not too young, it is that he's our only 'other option' up front.
What happens if Ollie gets a knock?
Right back, back up goalkeeper, another option up front - that is where we have proper weaknesses.
That, that and that. Olsen seems to be out of the picture right now for whatever reason (that baby is starting school next term, aren't they?). Have been impressed with what I've seen or Marschall but he's a bit young still to be carrying the burden of safe pair of hands deputy.
Anyone have any doubt that UE has all of this and more is mind?
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For me, Duran isn't up to the job. OK, so he's young, but he's too much of a hot head and is easy to manage for any competent defender - a couple of strong chalienges/tackles and he loses it, and becomes petulant, looses focus and concentration and voila - we're down to 10 men - either because he's been sent off, or becomes totally ineffective.
I struggle to see what positive change he brings to our playing style, tactics or formation when he comes on.
He definitely needs replacing/upgrading in the transfer window. Heaven help us if Ollie gets injured.
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With control, his aggression can be an asset. But right now, it can be problematic. Sure he’ll get there with strong management.
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That, that and that. Olsen seems to be out of the picture right now for whatever reason (that baby is starting school next term, aren't they?). Have been impressed with what I've seen or Marschall but he's a bit young still to be carrying the burden of safe pair of hands deputy.
Anyone have any doubt that UE has all of this and more is mind?
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I know you're over exaggerating there but Olsen's new baby isn't even 4 weeks old yet. Dendonker missed the whole of pre-season when his was born.
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Yep, brainless is a bit ridiculous. He's still young though. He's not been great but he's not been terrible either. I bet there are were a few in the crowd today thinking at the time he should come on.
Only because we had no other option, would of been nice to have Archer on our bench tonight.
It would have made no difference, other than him not being on the pitch to score for them.
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He’s a young lad with potential and has shown during the limited opportunities he’s had that he has some ability. It’s not easy coming on from the bench in a game like that and I’m definitely not writing him off. That would be a ridiculous thing to do.
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I'm not writing him off at all but would much rather send him out on loan to the championship, if there would be any takers, and bring in a better quality back up to Watkins.
Tbh bringing him on seemed a good idea to me, we were too predictable and they seemed relatively comfortable with us. A bit of his chaos in the mix to unsettle things might have worked.
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"Stories" coming out that Unai's not best pleased with him. Attitude and behaviour issues. Granted moving from the States to Brum at his age is quite a step, but I'm sure Villa will have given him as much support as they can to help him adjust- there are plenty of Spanish speakers in the squad ( Emi, Emi, Carlos, Moreno etc.) to help him fit in.
He's got the physical attributes, but if his head's not right, then we might be better shipping him out on loan to let him orogress growxand develop and bring in somebody in January
Now, if only we had a tie up or link to a Spsnish club ... ... ...?
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Silly for foul that led to the red-card check, but also his lay off for Ollie when we were trying to find the breakthrough was exactly what was needed from a big man up front. Ollie fluffed the finish, but Duran's hold up play there, under pressure, was excellent. If Ollie hits that cleanly, either side of the keeper, then we're all hailing Duran's impact.
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"Stories" coming out that Unai's not best pleased with him. Attitude and behaviour issues. Granted moving from the States to Brum at his age is quite a step, but I'm sure Villa will have given him as much support as they can to help him adjust- there are plenty of Spanish speakers in the squad ( Emi, Emi, Carlos, Moreno etc.) to help him fit in.
He's got the physical attributes, but if his head's not right, then we might be better shipping him out on loan to let him orogress growxand develop and bring in somebody in January
Now, if only we had a tie up or link to a Spsnish club ... ... ...?
Wasn't an Emery signing and can't say Emery hasn't tried but it's not working and he's a liability, a walking red card waiting to happen
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He was lucky to not get sent off last night.
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He's been effective when he's come in the past (that goal against Everton was a belter) but he didn't do much today. Brainless is a bit harsh mind.
Assume you mean his game-changing thunderbolt against Palace. The Everton one was a gimme from his former teammate Ashley Young.
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He's been effective when he's come in the past (that goal against Everton was a belter) but he didn't do much today. Brainless is a bit harsh mind.
Assume you mean his game-changing thunderbolt against Palace. The Everton one was a gimme from his former teammate Ashley Young.
Yeah, the Palace one. Not sure why I thought Everton.
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I’ve really liked the look of him in some games but last night he was poor.
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He needs a spell on loan. He’s a confident, borderline cocky player. He’s got a lot of talent but it’s not tied to maturity. And as a very young kid from another country, a very long way from home, it’s something he is still learning to deal with. I can tell from having lived in a number of places it’s not easy to be far away from family or friends later in life. He is an inconsistent option coming off the bench. Sometimes it will be spectacular, but most of the times he doesn’t make enough of an impact for the way we play. We need a second Ollie style pressing forward in the January window and send Duran out to get some proper match time.
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A season at the Portuguese club might suit all parties.
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After the pelters he got last week pleased to see him come on a play a key part. Great energy, which reinvigorated us a bit.
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Did his job defensively as well. He's very rough around around the edges at times but the potential is there I reckon.
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He needs a solid spell on loan. A player that needs game time to continue to round out many aspects of his game. And learn just who he is. He’s still very young and lots to learn. But he’s got a lot of natural ability.
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Not a fan. But great cameo today. He needs more game time which he won’t get here
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He's a very likeable guy, but do think he could do with a loan. Ideally to the Championship, I think.
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Get him to a Championship club in the play offs who aren't Leeds.
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If you look up raw in the dictionary it would have a photo of him next to it. Brilliant to earn the penalty, not so brilliant when he had their defender corned in injury time with nowhere to go and slides straight through the back of the fucker.
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Keep him, he's learning and he's got some vim about him.
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If you look up raw in the dictionary it would have a photo of him next to it. Brilliant to earn the penalty, not so brilliant when he had their defender corned in injury time with nowhere to go and slides straight through the back of the fucker.
Yep, that was the usual brainfart he seems to have every game. Quite why he needed to do that, god knows. Very lucky not to get carded as well.
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When you're the backup to someone with the reliability of Watkins your main job is to come on and make the defenders have to do something different. As rough as he and as uncomfortable as it can look at times Duran does that well, he's like a big, angry Duracell bunny who just charges around roughing up defenders, chasing lost causes and being a right niggly fucker. Sometimes he oversteps and gets himself in trouble, sometimes he wins a few set pieces that gives us a chance to make something happen and at least once already he smacks a thunderc**t into the top corner to win us a game.
If we can get someone more experienced in to offer a similar "plan b" then fine I can see the value of him going out on loan for a few months but I think he's settling in well and that there's a very good player to come in the next few years, I bet defenders already hate seeing him get off the bench.
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When you're the backup to someone with the reliability of Watkins your main job is to come on and make the defenders have to do something different. As rough as he and as uncomfortable as it can look at times Duran does that well, he's like a big, angry Duracell bunny who just charges around roughing up defenders, chasing lost causes and being a right niggly fucker. Sometimes he oversteps and gets himself in trouble, sometimes he wins a few set pieces that gives us a chance to make something happen and at least once already he smacks a thunderc**t into the top corner to win us a game.
If we can get someone more experienced in to offer a similar "plan b" then fine I can see the value of him going out on loan for a few months but I think he's settling in well and that there's a very good player to come in the next few years, I bet defenders already hate seeing him get off the bench.
Hear hear.
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In his kind of unauthodox way he helped get the win today so fair play to the lad. He's a bull in a china shop but he's our bull in a china shop .
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Good option if we need someone to come on, put himself about and lead the press in the closing stages. There are times when we are going to need a bit more though and it would be good to have another option as well.
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He must be annoying as fuck to play against, especially after having already spent an hour or so dealing with Watkins, Diaby and Bailey. Add in JJ running at you once he's back in the groove and keeping an eye on where SJM is popping up and i'd hate defending against us.
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F365's Winners & Losers section.
Jhon Duran
The player Darwin Nunez wishes he was. None of Duran’s 23 Premier League career appearances have extended beyond the half-hour mark but he has become the wildcard Unai Emery turns to when Aston Villa need to introduce mayhem to a troublesome equation.
This season alone, Duran has scored off the bench in wins over Everton and Crystal Palace, and is one booking from a suspension despite exclusively playing cameos worth little over two hours; the Colombian ranks second in the entire league for yellow cards per 90 minutes (2.22).
Only Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (15 times) and Harvey Elliott (14) have been used more frequently as substitutes this campaign than Duran (13), whose purchase of a penalty against Burnley was controversial and hilarious but also brilliant and quick-witted.
A tiring, jaded Aston Villa might soon need these bit parts to become longer lasting roles, but Duran is matching Emi Martinez for South American chaos merchantry so has already shown himself capable of rising to such a challenge.
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He won't be one game away from a suspension now and there's a lot more rest time now to allow us to not needing to giving him longer lasting roles.
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He isn't one booking from a suspension. Poor knowledge from them there.
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John Percy in Telegraph today - who is usually informed - says there are issues between him and Unai and he may be sold.
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"Who could they sell? There is growing interest in Jhon Duran, the forward, amid alleged friction behind the scenes with Emery. Villa will also consider the departures [either permanently or on loan] of Bertrand Traore, Calum Chambers and Tim Iroegbunam."
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John Percy in Telegraph today - who is usually informed - says there are issues between him and Unai and he may be sold.
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To be fair, isn't that a fair rough summation?
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To be fair, isn't that a fair rough summation?
Not really, as omitting 'alleged' makes quite a difference. Also 'may be sold' makes it sound more likely there being 'growing interest' in a player.
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I doubt he would have been be signed under the new regime so he will need to stick with the script
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To be fair, isn't that a fair rough summation?
Not really, as omitting 'alleged' makes quite a difference. Also 'may be sold' makes it sound more likely there being 'growing interest' in a player.
I just take the 'alleged' bit as a given as with any rumour so I don't think Jon needed to explicitly state that. It almost always is until you're Beckham and release a book years later confirming everything. Fair enough on 'may be sold'.
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I doubt he would have been be signed under the new regime so he will need to stick with the script
maybe Lange will recommend him for Ange-ball
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I just take the 'alleged' bit as a given as with any rumour so I don't think Jon needed to explicitly state that. It almost always is until you're Beckham and release a book years later confirming everything. Fair enough on 'may be sold'.
Alleged is usually inserted by Managing editors to cover lack of sources
Not sure what the quibbling is about and don’t care to be honest. Just passing on what I’d spotted.
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John Percy in Telegraph today - who is usually informed - says there are issues between him and Unai and he may be sold.
They had a fall out, it was weeks ago.Thought it had been resolved as he is now on the bench and getting time.
He is a bit of a “character” by all accounts.
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Wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s sold or loaned out. I’d welcome it.
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Rightly or wrongly he won us the game on Saturday and he’s dipped in with an important goal in the league
the only way I would let him leave is if we bring in a replacement and even then I don’t think he’s going anywhere
Unless there’s some serious issues with his behaviour
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I have been a doubter but one thing I have noticed is that he is quite quick, I wouldn't sell him rather go out on loan with no restrictions on bringing him back.
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I really like him. I hope he stays.
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Wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s sold or loaned out. I’d welcome it.
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We can't be relying on him as we get into the business end of matters.
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Paid a lot for him, he’s raw but there is something there.
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Wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s sold or loaned out. I’d welcome it.
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We can't be relying on him as we get into the business end of matters.
So long as we get a more experienced replacement in first.
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Paid a lot for him, he’s raw but there is something there.
I like the guy. He’s a bit of a shit house on the pitch for a young lad. But, I wonder if he’s a bit like it off the pitch and maybe that’s caused problems? . He’s young & raw, but what an amazing position to be in. Currently 2nd in line striker at a PL team near the top. He might just need a little reflection that he’s in a very good position. Flip of a coin as to whether he could be a top player or just vanish somewhere.
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Paid a lot for him, he’s raw but there is something there.
I like the guy. He’s a bit of a shit house on the pitch for a young lad. But, I wonder if he’s a bit like it off the pitch and maybe that’s caused problems? . He’s young & raw, but what an amazing position to be in. Currently 2nd in line striker at a PL team near the top. He might just need a little reflection that he’s in a very good position. Flip of a coin as to whether he could be a top player or just vanish somewhere.
Agreed. He has that no respect / fear of any opponent which some people get to the very top have. Equally it can be combustible within his own team mates, manager, coaches, etc. If there is a problem with Emery then you have to hope that somebody with sense is advising him. But as we saw with Chuck, sometimes that’s not always the case.
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Any suggestion of loaning him out now would be madness. We are so light up top. Villa simply must add another striker as cover for Ollie. I watched Liverpool last night and their forward options are very strong.
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I like him. He's physical and aggressive, and we can lack that at times. Emery picked him over Archer to stay last January, and this season he's scored two league goals in only 148 minutes on the pitch.
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Any suggestion of loaning him out now would be madness. We are so light up top. Villa simply must add another striker as cover for Ollie. I watched Liverpool last night and their forward options are very strong.
He could probably benefit from a move, half a season of playing full games could work wonders for him. But we definitely can't let him go anywhere unless we've got someone else coming in. Or, Zaniolo/Diaby start being played as a striker, which was something was said both could do when they signed.
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Any suggestion of loaning him out now would be madness. We are so light up top. Villa simply must add another striker as cover for Ollie. I watched Liverpool last night and their forward options are very strong.
What is the difference between wanting regular games for development for our own academy youngsters as reason for loaning them out each season, instead of keeping them as squad options, but wanting to keep 20 year old Duran?
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Fuck off to loaning him out, he's in the best hands here and looks like he's on the verge of becoming a very good player to me.
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When you're the backup to someone with the reliability of Watkins your main job is to come on and make the defenders have to do something different. As rough as he and as uncomfortable as it can look at times Duran does that well, he's like a big, angry Duracell bunny who just charges around roughing up defenders, chasing lost causes and being a right niggly fucker. Sometimes he oversteps and gets himself in trouble, sometimes he wins a few set pieces that gives us a chance to make something happen and at least once already he smacks a thunderc**t into the top corner to win us a game.
If we can get someone more experienced in to offer a similar "plan b" then fine I can see the value of him going out on loan for a few months but I think he's settling in well and that there's a very good player to come in the next few years, I bet defenders already hate seeing him get off the bench.
Hear hear.
Fuck off to loaning him out, he's in the best hands here and looks like he's on the verge of becoming a very good player to me.
I'd only let him go out if it's for a guarantee of first team football in a top division side, and if we had a top quality replacement coming in. But frankly I can see plenty in him and it's just a bit of polishing up that's needed.
I love his determination and commitment and his interaction with supporters too.
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Given his size and technical ability, and the fact he's still a bit raw, I think he could end up being a bit like Ivan Toney. Toney looked raw and gangly at Newcastle when they bought him as a 19-year-old, but by the time he was 22/23 he was a different animal altogether (they'd sold him to Peterborough by then). His upward trajectory has been phenomenal since then.
I think it would be silly to consider letting him go (on loan or otherwise) unless we have a proven forward coming in to back-up Ollie.
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My instinct when I see him about to come on is excitement,
although that may also have something to do with how handsome he is.
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My instinct when I see him about to come on is excitement,
although that may also have something to do with how handsome he is.
A bit like the end of a game when Carlos takes his shirt off...
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He’s been offered to AC Milan apparently
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He’s been offered to AC Milan apparently
They can get fucked, and while they're on the phone tell them we'll be taking Rafael Leao off their hands.
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My instinct when I see him about to come on is excitement,
although that may also have something to do with how handsome he is.
A bit like the end of a game when Carlos takes his shirt off...
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My instinct when I see him about to come on is excitement,
although that may also have something to do with how handsome he is.
A bit like the end of a game when Carlos takes his shirt off...
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I just hope Monchi and co know this is the main concern of supporters when it comes to new signings. We have a reputation to uphold. No point in signing someone just to sign someone. They must be an improvement on the handsome factor the existing player has.
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If we do get a Duran replacement in, can it be someone who wears his socks normally rather than pulled right up to his thighs like does?
That look might have been alright for the likes of Debbie Gibson in the 1980s but it is completely unacceptable in this day and age.
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If we do get a Duran replacement in, can it be someone who wears his socks normally rather than pulled right up to his thighs like does?
That look might have been alright for the likes of Debbie Gibson in the 1980s but it is completely unacceptable in this day and age.
Agreed. Thierry Henry could just about get away with it, because it seemed a bit churlish to question a supremely skilled striker getting 30 goals a season, but on most other players it looks ridiculous. Especially on somebody like Duran who runs around with all the grace and subtlety of a mortally wounded buffalo.
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Keep him as he's a potential match winner when given a chance. He's also quick and will chase down totally lost causes. We think he'll improve with Emery coaching over time to add to his pace and powerful shooting but nobody knows what he's really good at or how he can improve or even add to the team in the system we play. His instructions seem to be for now anyway...rough them up at the back and create mayhem, he's doing that.
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If we sign a forward and he’s banging in the goals then he wear his socks like a scarf for all I care. But if he’s not, then have the decency to wear them properly.
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Well if there are issues between him and Emery unless they can be worked out then he will have to go. When I say worked out what I actually mean is just do whatever Emery is asking you to do or your out.
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He has potential, but right now he offers little more than an enthusiastic battering ram. He's certainly not a viable back up for Watkins. Assuming we're looking at other options in the market then if we can get our money back for him that would seem like good business to me, particularly if FFP is as tight as it seems.
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He’s been offered to AC Milan apparently
Has he been offered to Milan or have Milan enquired about his availabilty?
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If we do get a Duran replacement in, can it be someone who wears his socks normally rather than pulled right up to his thighs like does?
That look might have been alright for the likes of Debbie Gibson in the 1980s but it is completely unacceptable in this day and age.
Agreed. Thierry Henry could just about get away with it, because it seemed a bit churlish to question a supremely skilled striker getting 30 goals a season, but on most other players it looks ridiculous. Especially on somebody like Duran who runs around with all the grace and subtlety of a mortally wounded buffalo.
John Terry did it too.
Maybe Jhon has ugly knees.
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If we do get a Duran replacement in, can it be someone who wears his socks normally rather than pulled right up to his thighs like does?
That look might have been alright for the likes of Debbie Gibson in the 1980s but it is completely unacceptable in this day and age.
Agreed. Thierry Henry could just about get away with it, because it seemed a bit churlish to question a supremely skilled striker getting 30 goals a season, but on most other players it looks ridiculous. Especially on somebody like Duran who runs around with all the grace and subtlety of a mortally wounded buffalo.
John Terry did it too.
Maybe Jhon has ugly knees.
He was just hiding the carpet burns from his visits to see the squads wags.
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The report says he has been offered to Milan. If true that doesn't bode well for his future even of they don't take up the offer. A strange name for a journalist to pick out if there isn't any truth there.
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Poorly translated from Gianluca Di Marzio, an Italian journalist for Sky:
"Aston Villa striker Jhon Durán has been proposed to the Rossoneri. Stefano Pioli's team is looking for a striker and the profile of the class of 2003 is pleasing."
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The report says he has been offered to Milan. If true that doesn't bode well for his future even of they don't take up the offer. A strange name for a journalist to pick out if there isn't any truth there.
See I think they're perfect if you want to make up a rumour, their main striker is 37 and is the sort of big targetman that Duran will become, the league sort of fits as one that you might step down to from the premier league if you're after more games, they've signed a few players from England recently and they've got a decent group of younger players that developing together that he could fit in to.
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I don't think Duran has the capacity to change, he is what he is & he's a liability.
He's so far from what Emery looks at in his players in terms of discipline, control & consistency I can't see him being here for too much longer.
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Know him well do you? Given the limited minutes he’s had he’s had a big impact. Clearly he lacks polish, but to write him off as unable to develop is just daft.
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They must be an improvement on the handsome factor the existing player has.
Like blues replacing Rooney with Steve Cooper.
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I'm absolutely here for us signing players based on gorgeousness. In that spirit, I think we should bid for Jamie Redknapp as long as he plants a flag in the head of Richard Keys on his debut.
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He’s been offered to AC Milan apparently
Not sure he'd get much game time there. He needs to play week in week out and thus I'd say the championship is best for him,. We need a quality striker this January
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Is Duran a loose cannon and a liability on the pitch.
According to Transfermrkt he's earned 4 yellows in 145 minutes of playing time. That's over 2 per 90 minutes!
Seems to me that he's so determined to make an impression that he runs around like a headless chicken and is easily distracted by a couple of "old school" challenges by canny defenders, getting drawn into confrontations and thus becoming ineffective.
We've heard rumours that he and Emery don't see eye to eye. Unai wants his players to follow his instructions to the letter - tactically and positonally and thus far I've not seen that Duran is able to do so.
He isn't an alternative or replacement for Ollie and we need to bite the bullet and move him out. On loan so he can learn elsewhere, or a straight sale if we can do the right deal.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
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The report says he has been offered to Milan. If true that doesn't bode well for his future even of they don't take up the offer. A strange name for a journalist to pick out if there isn't any truth there.
See I think they're perfect if you want to make up a rumour, their main striker is 37 and is the sort of big targetman that Duran will become, the league sort of fits as one that you might step down to from the premier league if you're after more games, they've signed a few players from England recently and they've got a decent group of younger players that developing together that he could fit in to.
I'd be happy to swap him with Giroud for five months. He comes here, helps us win the title. Duran gets great experience in Serie A, comes back in the summer ready to hit the ground running in August.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
For the penalty? No he definitely couldn’t.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
For the penalty? No he definitely couldn’t.
Best ignored.
Biggest WUM since the halcyon days of GregNash, Coopers Injury and Silhil Villa.
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'WUM'! Haven't seen that since 'troll' became ubiquitous. Halcyon stuff indeed.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
For the penalty? No he definitely couldn’t.
Best ignored.
Biggest WUM since the halcyon days of GregNash, Coopers Injury and Silhil Villa.
He's 66% of the aforementioned.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
For the penalty? No he definitely couldn’t.
Many refs would have given it as a Dive , plenty on here also thought it was
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Well they’d be wrong, but I realise you do try to look for the angle in all situations.
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Well they’d be wrong, but I realise you do try to look for the angle in all situations.
But not the shift key.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
For the penalty? No he definitely couldn’t.
Many refs would have given it as a Dive , plenty on here also thought it was
Many refs would have seen contact, many would have given it. Some might not if they decided he wasn't getting the ball or if they deemed the contact too accidental. Very very few would have given a yellow card for a dive.
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I quite like him. He offers us something a little bit different to what we already have at the moment.
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He's got attitude, and I really like that. I used to love Ian Wright (I still do) because he had that 'fuck you' thing about him. Duran has that.
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He's got attitude, and I really like that. I used to love Ian Wright (I still do) because he had that 'fuck you' thing about him. Duran has that.
Any chance he could pick up the 128 goals in 200 games thing as well? That seemed the most important bit about Ian Wright's career, slightly more so than charging round like a 5 year old after necking a whole bag of Haribo.
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Maybe when he's played 200 games.
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He's got attitude, and I really like that. I used to love Ian Wright (I still do) because he had that 'fuck you' thing about him. Duran has that.
Any chance he could pick up the 128 goals in 200 games thing as well? That seemed the most important bit about Ian Wright's career, slightly more so than charging round like a 5 year old after necking a whole bag of Haribo.
He's a lot closer to that figure than Wright was at that age.
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At present he is the perfect player to come on and run a tired defence ragged - they cannot afford to take their eyes off him.
He is a red card waiting to happen but that is the inexperience of youth but the pace and power he brings is invaluable in IMHO
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Ian Wright didn't play top flight football until he was 26. At Duran's age he was playing Sunday league. I think Duran wins this one.
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The Burnley game he could easily have been carded for simulation then another yellow for that lunge on the Burnley player which was a yellow all day long
For the penalty? No he definitely couldn’t.
Many refs would have given it as a Dive , plenty on here also thought it was
Many refs would have seen contact, many would have given it. Some might not if they decided he wasn't getting the ball or if they deemed the contact too accidental. Very very few would have given a yellow card for a dive.
In this instance the referee did see the contact. He was so close he would have also heard the contact which is why after a short consideration, possibly for an advantage to evolve he gave the penalty. Soft yes, but not a punishable dive. Unlike the Burley chaps dying swan performance which he saw and ignored.
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Ian Wright didn't play top flight football until he was 26. At Duran's age he was playing Sunday league. I think Duran wins this one.
Well yeah, let's not get rid of him.
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Ian Wright didn't play top flight football until he was 26. At Duran's age he was playing Sunday league. I think Duran wins this one.
Well lots of really, really shit players have scored more goals as a young player than Ian Wright if you're going to use that as some sort of bizarre justification. It wasn't my comparison in the first place, in any case.
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You appear to be in a mood today, Martin!
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Ian Wright didn't play top flight football until he was 26. At Duran's age he was playing Sunday league. I think Duran wins this one.
Well lots of really, really shit players have scored more goals as a young player than Ian Wright if you're going to use that as some sort of bizarre justification. It wasn't my comparison in the first place, in any case.
It was your choice to mention his stats though, which no one else had.
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I like Duran. Maybe because you don’t know what he’s going to do and because he’s capable of a moment of brilliance. He’s not had enough of a chance to judge if he’s going to be a top forward so I’d definitely keep and persevere with him.
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Poor mans Jozy Altidore. Ship him out to Milan.
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He’s a young player, obviously pretty raw, who has made an impact when he’s played for the most part.
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This guys an idiot, just get him gone. Another social media strop, apparently.
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This guys an idiot, just get him gone. Another social media strop, apparently.
What's he done / said now ?
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This guys an idiot, just get him gone. Another social media strop, apparently.
what did he say?
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Some people have decided that because he doesn't follow Villa on his Instagram but he does follow AC Milan that he's causing problems.
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This guys an idiot, just get him gone. Another social media strop, apparently.
what did he say?
Removed avfc from his biog, unfollowed us, followed Milan.
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This guys an idiot, just get him gone. Another social media strop, apparently.
Apparently being the operative word, once again.
Supposedly he's removed official villa from his social media or something. All this bullshit makes me feel so old.
Could be he is about to sign for Milan. Could just all be bollocks.
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My lad informed me he’s removed some Villa stuff and starting to follow Milan. So not really a strop, more a sulk. Apologies (my lad overreacted)
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And still his Facebook page has plenty of Villa stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/Jd9Companyy/
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It's because our brand recognition is weak and this weeks news has only damaged it further.
Jhon's media management team couldn't afford to be associated with a drop shadow.
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I suspect he will play today . Going to be interesting see how he does starting a game
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People his age won't give a shit about Facebook. I'm not saying that it means anything just that it's a place for the oldies. I doubt he's ever really been on it.
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We'll regret it if he goes. He's going to be a hell of a player.
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I suspect he will play today . Going to be interesting see how he does starting a game
If he’s moaning about wanting to move and certainly indications are this, then he’ll be on the bench at best.
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If he leaves we must have a forward in. Suicide solely relying on Ollie as it is
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I suspect he will play today . Going to be interesting see how he does starting a game
If he’s moaning about wanting to move and certainly indications are this, then he’ll be on the bench at best.
I'd hope Watkins gets a rest and it would be Diaby / Duran
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And still his Facebook page has plenty of Villa stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/Jd9Companyy/
He probably doesn’t bother his arse with FB, it’s for old folks (so I’m told)
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If he leaves we must have a forward in. Suicide solely relying on Ollie as it is
Can’t see us letting him go unless we get an opportunity to replace him.
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We'll regret it if he goes. He's going to be a hell of a player.
He certainly seems to have the attributes, his attitude being an issue though. Shame
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If he leaves we must have a forward in. Suicide solely relying on Ollie as it is
Vinnie we rely on your inside information, 😳 we need you to confirm another Striker 😃
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He posted Villa stuff on it yesterday about the Boro game.
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It's because our brand recognition is weak and this weeks news has only damaged it further.
Jhon's media management team couldn't afford to be associated with a drop shadow.
OTOH they surely approved of the fact that it's mostly yellow, as well dark red and blue.
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Mings doesn't mention Villa in his Insta bio and wiped everything before this season. He's obviously fallen out with Emery and the club.
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Mings doesn't mention Villa in his Insta bio and wiped everything before this season. He's obviously fallen out with Emery and the club.
He was always a bad egg.
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Mings doesn't mention Villa in his Insta bio and wiped everything before this season. He's obviously fallen out with Emery and the club.
Terrible attitude. Him, Martinez and Cash.
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If he leaves we must have a forward in. Suicide solely relying on Ollie as it is
Vinnie we rely on your inside information, 😳 we need you to confirm another Striker 😃
😂😂 sadly have nothing at the minute
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We'll regret it if he goes. He's going to be a hell of a player.
Doesn’t look like Emery agrees to be honest.
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He has a lot of talent, but something doesn't convince right now. Could be temperament (that yellow card record is incredible), and I'm certainly not writing him off, but there's just too much flailing in his play at the minute to make me think 'now there's a star'.
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Time to get a proper back up striker in now.
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It appears he’s getting some bad advice to go with an elevated sense of self worth. He’s got ability but you can’t just rely on that. He’s at a top PL side with all the opportunity to work hard under a world class manager to maximize his career. There are no short cuts in the game and he’s likely even more competition at Milan. Hey, good luck to him if that’s what happens. We are in good hands with Emery who I trust to make the right decision and move on with our squad and anyone he decides to bring in.
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If he goes to Milan is he being sold or loaned?
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We'll regret it if he goes. He's going to be a hell of a player.
Doesn’t look like Emery agrees to be honest.
If that were the case, isn't it a bit odd that we've now gone through two transfer windows where we could have signed a striker but haven't, instead being happy to have him as our only obvious replacement for Watkins?
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We'll regret it if he goes. He's going to be a hell of a player.
Doesn’t look like Emery agrees to be honest.
If that were the case, isn't it a bit odd that we've now gone through two transfer windows where we could have signed a striker but haven't, instead being happy to have him as our only obvious replacement for Watkins?
Well no, as you don't know that that's the case. They might have been trying their hardest to get another striker, but weren't able to get the ones they want for whatever reason. In any case it's only really one window, as Duran wasn't signed until the back end of January last year and didn't play until February, so unlikely that Emery had formed any concrete opoinion on him at all by then. If he goes now it also doesn't mean we'll get a striker in, as Emery might be happy to make do with a combination of Bailey and Diaby if Watkins were to get injured.
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If he goes to Milan is he being sold or loaned?
It sounds like Milan want to loan him with an option to buy.
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I doubt he'd be starting today if there were any issues between him and the club.
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I’m assuming that if he is leaving then a replacement is in train.
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He does follow Villa on his Insta. He does start today.
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He does follow Villa on his Insta. He does start today.
Apparently he’s just starting re-following us again. He’s an interesting character that’s for sure 😂
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I’m assuming that if he is leaving then a replacement is in train.
Hopefully, we've given him a good platform.
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I’m assuming that if he is leaving then a replacement is in train.
Hopefully, we've given him a good platform.
I'd be chuffed if we did.
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I’m assuming that if he is leaving then a replacement is in train.
Hopefully, we've given him a good platform.
I'd be chuffed if we did.
He needs to get back on track.
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A few goals today and it will give his critics something to choo on.
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A few goals today and it will give his critics something to choo on.
I saw this and 'platform' and thought there was a shoe punathon going on.
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A few goals today and it will give his critics something to choo on.
I saw this and 'platform' and thought there was a shoe punathon going on.
that is cobblers
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Need to just leather it no messing around
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He's had one good effort but he should be bullying these second rate defenders. Needs the service too I guess but hasn't done a lot for me so far tonight.
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He's had one good effort but he should be bullying these second rate defenders. Needs the service too I guess but hasn't done a lot for me so far tonight.
Yep, totally agree. His movement let him down, albeit we weren't playing the best through balls to him.
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He's got pace,great physical attributes ,powerful shot but...he needs defenders to give him time and space,and there's poor awareness of making runs and interplay with his colleagues.
If he can't learn from Emery,then Zaniolo and Diaby seem better bets as central strikers.
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He is clearly talented but extremely rough around the edges and in need of playing time.
Send him to Milan, get another understudy in.
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I actually think it’s quite difficult to play as a centre forward in this Villa team and score a lot of goals
It’s the same for Ollie
It’s not like there’s loads of balls going into the box and you get a hatful of chances every match
Tonight was a typical example Duran did well with very little service He was given when Ollie came on He was just as anonymous as he was sitting on the bench so we know it wasn’t just Duran
It’s not their fault it’s just the way we play it’s very measured calculated and often doesn’t include the centre forward getting in the final touch
It doesn’t matter because it’s a winning formula but I can understand their frustration sometimes
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If today was an attempt to see if he should be kept or sent on loan, I don't think he did much to further his case for being kept around. He needs to play regularly, and he's not going to get that here. Plus his little tantrums on social media aren't really going to endear him to anybody.
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I'd happily drive him to Milan
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I actually think it’s quite difficult to play as a centre forward in this Villa team and score a lot of goals
It’s the same for Ollie
It’s not like there’s loads of balls going into the box and you get a hatful of chances every match
Tonight was a typical example Duran did well with very little service He was given when Ollie came on He was just as anonymous as he was sitting on the bench so we know it wasn’t just Duran
It’s not their fault it’s just the way we play it’s very measured calculated and often doesn’t include the centre forward getting in the final touch
It doesn’t matter because it’s a winning formula but I can understand their frustration sometimes
And Watkins has said much the same. He plays within the width of the penalty area and acknowledges he can play for significant periods without influencing the game. But when we do break the lines, he is expected to be our biggest threat. It’s a hard role.
It was tough for Duran given the way Boro set up, but we will come across it more as teams try to work out how to nullify us. He did ok overall.
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Anyone else notice McGinn's reaction when they were subbed off?
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No. Can you explain please?
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He's a young lad who's moved halfway across the world, and has shown glimpses of promise and scored/created a couple of vital goals in his limited minutes. Really don't get the desire to drive him out of the club.
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He shows excellent technique and he has obvious talent.
It’s a question of wether this can be harnessed.
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He's a young lad who's moved halfway across the world, and has shown glimpses of promise and scored/created a couple of vital goals in his limited minutes. Really don't get the desire to drive him out of the club.
Agree completely.
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He's a young lad who's moved halfway across the world, and has shown glimpses of promise and scored/created a couple of vital goals in his limited minutes. Really don't get the desire to drive him out of the club.
I remember being away at QPR when Yorke was coming through. He was playing on the wing and the villa fans were giving him loads of abuse. Duran could become a star but he’ll need time.
A loan is the best bet for Duran now as he needs to opportunity to smooth out his rough edges and I don’t think the crowd will have the patience for that now. Somewhat justifiably, as there aren’t many non-critical games on the horizon.
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He's a young lad who's moved halfway across the world, and has shown glimpses of promise and scored/created a couple of vital goals in his limited minutes. Really don't get the desire to drive him out of the club.
Agree completely.
Thirded. Has a thunderous left foot which is something to work on. Give him time.
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He'll be fine.
A decent impact sub for now. A loan to a decent championship side like Leicester as part of any deal for Iheanacho might be decent.
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Like Archer did, he need to go and do a two year apprenticeship in the Championship to see if he can cut it in the English game. It will do him good.
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He'll be fine.
A decent impact sub for now. A loan to a decent championship side like Leicester as part of any deal for Iheanacho might be decent.
Apart from the bit that involves us signing Iheanacho.
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No. Can you explain please?
Was reading between the lines, but seemed to keep looking at him and muttering under his breath. Didn't look happy. May have been nothing though.
Having said that, I like Duran. There's clearly raw Drogbaesque potential there. Hope he realises that and does so with us.
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He'll be fine.
A decent impact sub for now. A loan to a decent championship side like Leicester as part of any deal for Iheanacho might be decent.
Apart from the bit that involves us signing Iheanacho.
Oh ok.
Always thought he was a decent player, and probably a better option coming off the bench than Duran at present.
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Cheers! I'm sure most of the time players want to stay on and have a little moan when they get subbed.
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He is following Villa on insta, and Bayern and Benfica... People looking to be offended
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He'll be fine.
A decent impact sub for now. A loan to a decent championship side like Leicester as part of any deal for Iheanacho might be decent.
Apart from the bit that involves us signing Iheanacho.
Oh ok.
Always thought he was a decent player, and probably a better option coming off the bench than Duran at present.
Nah Duran is worth persevering with.
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He is following Villa on insta, and Bayern and Benfica... People looking to be offended
If I was any kind of famous I'd be doing this all the time. Entire news cycles are born out of some bored twats stalking people's social media interactions. I'd be following and unfollowing people in a daily basis just to wind them up.
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He is following Villa on insta, and Bayern and Benfica... People looking to be offended
If I was any kind of famous I'd be doing this all the time. Entire news cycles are born out of some bored twats stalking people's social media interactions. I'd be following and unfollowing people in a daily basis just to wind them up.
Woah, AV84 has stopped following Hitleris_dabest, what's happened there?!
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He'll be fine.
A decent impact sub for now. A loan to a decent championship side like Leicester as part of any deal for Iheanacho might be decent.
Apart from the bit that involves us signing Iheanacho.
Oh ok.
Always thought he was a decent player, and probably a better option coming off the bench than Duran at present.
He’s only a decent player against us.
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If all you want is the best players playing at the top of their potential then he isn't going to be good enough for you.
If, however, you want someone exciting and unpredictable, who clearly has huge amounts of raw talent, and are prepared to let the best manager we've had in decades to nurture him, then perhaps he's a great option as a backup striker.
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If all you want is the best players playing at the top of their potential then he isn't going to be good enough for you.
If, however, you want someone exciting and unpredictable, who clearly has huge amounts of raw talent, and are prepared to let the best manager we've had in decades to nurture him, then perhaps he's a great option as a backup striker.
... so long as we don't find ourself relying on him, that's the difference.
I don't mind him getting a chance here and there, but the thought of Watkins getting injured and us having to rely on Duran at this point in his career doesn't bear thinking about.
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If all you want is the best players playing at the top of their potential then he isn't going to be good enough for you.
If, however, you want someone exciting and unpredictable, who clearly has huge amounts of raw talent, and are prepared to let the best manager we've had in decades to nurture him, then perhaps he's a great option as a backup striker.
People keep saying stuff like this, seemingly forgetting that it's the best manager we've had in decades who'll choose if he stays or goes. If he goes, then it's because he's not prepared to nurture him.
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Cheers! I'm sure most of the time players want to stay on and have a little moan when they get subbed.
I think he meant that Meatball was muttering under his breath about/glowering at Duran, not at Emery/having to be subbed-off, himself.
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Cheers! I'm sure most of the time players want to stay on and have a little moan when they get subbed.
I think he meant that Meatball was muttering under his breath about/glowering at Duran, not at Emery/having to be subbed-off, himself.
I was distracted at the time but I saw the substitutions happen, and then when I looked back at the TV the cameras had picked out Durán going to sit down. It seemed like more time had passed than normal for him to be sitting down, or like the camera had cut from the play back to him because something was happening.
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This on the BBC
Chelsea could be interested in a short-term loan deal with Aston Villa for 20-year-old Colombia forward Jhon Duran. (Nathan Gissing, via Metro)
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Where to start with that Duran rumour.
I reckon his agent has gone rogue or something.
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Indeed - I can’t see any scenario where we’d be entertaining that.
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Indeed - I can’t see any scenario where we’d be entertaining that.
Especially when the rumour comes from someone called Nathan Gissing.
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It's not Footy-Vill having a lark, is it ?
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Chelsea “could” be interested……that’s like saying Kylie “could” be interested in shaking up with me and my dog.
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It's not Footy-Vill having a lark, is it ?
Nah, there would have been a secret deal for Mbappe involved.
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Where to start with that Duran rumour.
I reckon his agent has gone rogue or something.
Obviously bollocks, but I do quite like the idea of using Chelsea as a development club to help bring our youngsters through and into our first-team.
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Indeed - I can’t see any scenario where we’d be entertaining that.
Especially when the rumour comes from someone called Nathan Gissing.
I thought gissing was something people from New Zealand did when having a go on the lottery
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Indeed - I can’t see any scenario where we’d be entertaining that.
Well, Chelsea are a bit mental. So there is that.
If - for the sake of argument - they offered a Ł5-6 million loan fee we might entertain it.
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Have Chelsea already a young, slightly hot-headed striker who probably isn't ready but might be decent in the future in Broja?
Why wouldn't they just play him?
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Have Chelsea already a young, slightly hot-headed striker who probably isn't ready but might be decent in the future in Broja?
Why wouldn't they just play him?
And Jackson.
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Indeed - I can’t see any scenario where we’d be entertaining that.
Especially when the rumour comes from someone called Nathan Gissing.
I thought gissing was something people from New Zealand did when having a go on the lottery
Ha, it is quite a nasally accent. Not particularly keen on it tbh.
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I can't think of the New Zealand accent without thinking of this random Australian football show from during the South Africa World Cup. To this day my brother and I still say "I've got chulls".
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Great stuff AV84!
Thanks for posting!
Brilliant!
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Duran will be cup-tied when we play them so at least we won't have to face him. Wish him well, he was a great servant for us.
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I don't like this from Duran talking to Colombian tv:
"Chelsea is an insane team, everyone would want to play there. It'd be a pleasure and an hour to play for them. The same goes for Milan, they've had so many star players: it is a competitive and important club at world level"
I think this chump needs taking down a peg or two, the cheeky fucker (even if he did also say he's focused on Villa, I just don't think he's got the fucking right to even talk about other clubs)
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an insane team insanely placed behind us in the League
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I don't understand the interest from the likes of AC Milan tbh.
Chelsea? Maybe, because they are a basket case of a club.
But it's not like he has pulled up any trees so far at Villa.
Although if they think that we are going to send him out to them on loan, they must be more mental than they come across...
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Chelsea? Maybe, because they are a basket case of a club.
Chelsea is an insane team
It's fine, no contradictions.
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I don't understand the interest from the likes of AC Milan tbh.
It's quite possibly fictitious
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I don't like this from Duran talking to Colombian tv:
"Chelsea is an insane team, everyone would want to play there. It'd be a pleasure and an hour to play for them. The same goes for Milan, they've had so many star players: it is a competitive and important club at world level"
I think this chump needs taking down a peg or two, the cheeky fucker (even if he did also say he's focused on Villa, I just don't think he's got the fucking right to even talk about other clubs)
Bin off him off, it's not like he'd be a big miss. Wasn't Unai's signing in the first place, so get him sold and let Unai get his own player in. The lad doesn't know when he's got it good.
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Is there a link to these quotes ?
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‘I remain focussed on Aston Villa,’ Duran told Colombian outlet Win Sports TV when asked about speculation linking him with AC Milan and Chelsea.
‘I am not aware of interest from AC Milan or Chelsea.
‘They are giant clubs, and it would be a pleasure.
‘But I have no knowledge of anything.’
Duran, though, who arrived at Villa Park from Chicago Fire in January 2023, conceded he has ‘dreamed’ of joining clubs such as Milan and Chelsea since childhood.
‘As a child you dream of playing there,’ the Colombia international added.
It’s understood Napoli’s Victor Osimhen, Brentford’s Ivan Toney and Brighton’s Evan Ferguson are among Chelsea’s top attacking targets, but the Stamford Bridge giants will likely have to wait for the summer to get a permanent deal over the line.
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These links read very much like someone making things up. Bit embarrassing if it's Durán himself or his agent. I would believe the idea of us loaning him if a) we had someone else to play that position, and b) it was a Championship side trying to strengthen for a push at promotion. Bad and all as Chelsea are these days, I can't see them wanting to loan a player who is basically 2nd choice at Villa because we have nobody else.
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His quotes to me come across as him saying that they're big clubs, he's flattered by the links but he's heard nothing and he's focused on Villa. Or we could just get rid.
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He really needs to get his head down a bit. If he’s desperate to go someone is going to have to pony up more than we paid. Also players wanting to go to Chelsea are fucking bonkers.
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It seems a bit Bacuna and the Champions League - player gives a diplomatic answer to a question and it gets twisted.
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I don't remember the uproar and stating we must sell a player when Draper said his dream was to play for Barcelona or another Italian club.
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His quotes to me come across as him saying that they're big clubs, he's flattered by the links but he's heard nothing and he's focused on Villa. Or we could just get rid.
Yep, nothing to see here, move along.
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In many ways, Duran reminds me of a young Ian Wright.
I really think he is worth persevering with and in the long term will pay dividend.
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He's still a div for saying it. Remember what your uncle Juampi told you that day you signed and wept on the Holte.
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Didn't Luiz say something similar when asked about the links with Arsenal a few weeks back? Was complimentary about the other club but said he was focused on Villa at the moment. People on here took that two very different ways too. Feels like it's just a stock answer.
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The players just need to do their talking on the pitch. That applies to them all really.
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The stuff with Duran is very odd. Apparently we rejected a loan with an option to buy offer from West Ham. I’m not surprised, can’t see how it makes any sense for us. No idea what Duran’s view is but it sounds like he might lack a bit of patience.
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If it wasn’t for other stories of his Billy big bollocks attitude and fall out with Emery, then I would give him the benefit of the doubt.
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It seems a bit Bacuna and the Champions League - player gives a diplomatic answer to a question and it gets twisted.
Agreed. I think they asked him the same question about three times and he was just pressured into answering in different ways.
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West Ham are in for him? A bit weird. But then I thought Moyes' closing comment on Danny Ings in his interview with the Beeb yesterday was quite telling. The reporter asked him if all was missing from Ings' performance was a goal. Moyes replied that he played very well but the "Danny Ings I know scores the chance he had in the first half and the one in the second half"
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West Ham are in for him? A bit weird. But then I thought Moyes' closing comment on Danny Ings in his interview with the Beeb yesterday was quite telling. The reporter asked him if all was missing from Ings' performance was a goal. Moyes replied that he played very well but the "Danny Ings I know scores the chance he had in the first half and the one in the second half"
Haven't we rejected their loan bid this morning.
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If they offered a quick profit, say Ł30m for him, would you take it?
I really struggle with him, because he's clearly got something, he causes havoc, makes good runs etc, but at the same time just acts like such a donkey. If we sell I think we'd regret it at some point.
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If they offered a quick profit, say Ł30m for him, would you take it?
I really struggle with him, because he's clearly got something, he causes havoc, makes good runs etc, but at the same time just acts like such a donkey. If we sell I think we'd regret it at some point.
Yes. I see nothing to say he is worth what we paid for him, never mind Ł30M.
West Ham are in for him? A bit weird. But then I thought Moyes' closing comment on Danny Ings in his interview with the Beeb yesterday was quite telling. The reporter asked him if all was missing from Ings' performance was a goal. Moyes replied that he played very well but the "Danny Ings I know scores the chance he had in the first half and the one in the second half"
Haven't we rejected their loan bid this morning.
Apparently.
Unless they were offering an absolutely obscene amount for the player in a purchase clause, why on earth do they think that we would loan them our only backup striker?
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If they offered a quick profit, say Ł30m for him, would you take it?
I really struggle with him, because he's clearly got something, he causes havoc, makes good runs etc, but at the same time just acts like such a donkey. If we sell I think we'd regret it at some point.
I'd only sell if we had someone lined up to come in, and then I'd want to at least get our money back on him. Chances are that we're unlikely to be able to bring that player in until the summer so I would keep him for the second half of the season.
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If they offered a quick profit, say Ł30m for him, would you take it?
I really struggle with him, because he's clearly got something, he causes havoc, makes good runs etc, but at the same time just acts like such a donkey. If we sell I think we'd regret it at some point.
Yes, we will have Archer back in the summer as Sheffield Utd are nailed on to be relegated and we have to buy him back. Meanwhile we have Diaby who could play up front if needed.
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If they offered a quick profit, say Ł30m for him, would you take it?
I really struggle with him, because he's clearly got something, he causes havoc, makes good runs etc, but at the same time just acts like such a donkey. If we sell I think we'd regret it at some point.
I'd be amazed if they offered us that for him. The talk seems to be that he'd be covering injuries to Antonio/Bowen and Kudus being at the AFCON so a loan til the end of the season makes more sense for them.
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I really don't see us doing a deal with WHAM! unless it really helped us out FFP wise. A loan with option to buy helps their situation more than ours, and we could be competing with them for a european place.
We're obviously open to him leaving in the right circumstances though.
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We're obviously open to him leaving in the right circumstances though.
Are we?
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We're obviously open to him leaving in the right circumstances though.
Are we?
I think so, we are getting approaches and we know the club are quote open about letting players know where they stand. The Athletic has mentioned a few times that we don't want to let him go without strengthening first, which is very different from not wanting to let him go at all.
I find the links weird for someone in his situation unless there's been conversations about him going.
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We're obviously open to him leaving in the right circumstances though.
Are we?
I think so, we are getting approaches and we know the club are quote open about letting players know where they stand. The Athletic has mentioned a few times that we don't want to let him go without strengthening first, which is very different from not wanting to let him go at all.
I find the links weird for someone in his situation unless there's been conversations about him going.
I think in the current climate, we probably don't have any "definitely not for sale at any price" players. The are players who would be VERY difficult to replace, yes, but if someone is throwing around massive money, I think the club will take it. They have shown in the last 12 months they can be very commercial with their approach these things, letting the likes of Archer, Ramsey and Philogene go. I see no reason why they wouldn't let Duran go if it helped them sign someone else that they want.
Unai has been here long enough to have evaluated Duran pretty thoroughly, he either thinks he's a long-term asset to the side he is trying to build, or not. If not, I can see him going even if it's not big money.
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We're obviously open to him leaving in the right circumstances though.
Are we?
I think so, we are getting approaches and we know the club are quote open about letting players know where they stand. The Athletic has mentioned a few times that we don't want to let him go without strengthening first, which is very different from not wanting to let him go at all.
I find the links weird for someone in his situation unless there's been conversations about him going.
Could also be his agent telling these clubs he is up for a move. But you're probably right. I think we're trying to sign a striker and this is part of it all (FFP and all that bollox).
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West Ham are in for him? A bit weird. But then I thought Moyes' closing comment on Danny Ings in his interview with the Beeb yesterday was quite telling. The reporter asked him if all was missing from Ings' performance was a goal. Moyes replied that he played very well but the "Danny Ings I know scores the chance he had in the first half and the one in the second half"
Ings has been a disaster for them, seemed to be playing as a 10 yesterday for them with Bowen ahead of him. To be fair, if ever there was a time where we took advantage of a club desperate for a forward that was it. Moyes was on the brink of being fired and they couldn't buy a goal. Moyes likes forwards like Antonio that will run all day and bring others into the play. That was never Ings game, nor the Italian guy they had. Two desperately scouted signings.
Also think their links to Duran are strange. Physically Duran should be a fine player to play that Antonio type role but I've never seen any evidence of it with us. His hold up play is non existent. He also tends to throw a strop every ten minutes that I couldn't see Moyes putting up with. If he could mature quickly he could be an asset but I think Emery will push for him to go if the price is right.
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I can image there must have been some discussion between the club, his agent & Duran. With an agreement that he can move on if it's suitable for everyone.
He doesn't strike me as the sort who would be patient & I have no doubt in his mind he should be starting every week.
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West Ham are in for him? A bit weird. But then I thought Moyes' closing comment on Danny Ings in his interview with the Beeb yesterday was quite telling. The reporter asked him if all was missing from Ings' performance was a goal. Moyes replied that he played very well but the "Danny Ings I know scores the chance he had in the first half and the one in the second half"
Ings has been a disaster for them, seemed to be playing as a 10 yesterday for them with Bowen ahead of him. To be fair, if ever there was a time where we took advantage of a club desperate for a forward that was it. Moyes was on the brink of being fired and they couldn't buy a goal. Moyes likes forwards like Antonio that will run all day and bring others into the play. That was never Ings game, nor the Italian guy they had. Two desperately scouted signings.
Also think their links to Duran are strange. Physically Duran should be a fine player to play that Antonio type role but I've never seen any evidence of it with us. His hold up play is non existent. He also tends to throw a strop every ten minutes that I couldn't see Moyes putting up with. If he could mature quickly he could be an asset but I think Emery will push for him to go if the price is right.
Disaster yesterday for sure, assist for the goal and won their pen too.
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Ings hasn't scored for 30 games, and has scored in 2 of his 42 games for them. That's pretty shit for a bloke whose only real asset is scoring goals,
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His hair looks resplendent though.
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His hair looks resplendent though.
I think this might be the greatest article of all time.
https://turkeyhaircenter.com/danny-ings-hair-transplant/ (https://turkeyhaircenter.com/danny-ings-hair-transplant/)
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"Ings, who was known for his quickness" Hang on what ?
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"Ings, who was known for his quickness" Hang on what ?
I assume they meant it in relation to his 'bants' in the changing room?
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"Ings, who was known for his quickness" Hang on what ?
I assume they meant it in relation to his 'bants' in the changing room?
they did use past tense i suppose
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"His decision to get a Danny Ings’ hair transplant was prompted by a desire to restore a thicker head of hair, which would not only increase his personal self-esteem but would also positively affect how fans and the media perceive him"
Ha ha, marvellous stuff.
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My youngst daughter has got dolls with more realistic looking hair than Danny Ings.
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West Ham are in for him? A bit weird. But then I thought Moyes' closing comment on Danny Ings in his interview with the Beeb yesterday was quite telling. The reporter asked him if all was missing from Ings' performance was a goal. Moyes replied that he played very well but the "Danny Ings I know scores the chance he had in the first half and the one in the second half"
Ings has been a disaster for them, seemed to be playing as a 10 yesterday for them with Bowen ahead of him. To be fair, if ever there was a time where we took advantage of a club desperate for a forward that was it. Moyes was on the brink of being fired and they couldn't buy a goal. Moyes likes forwards like Antonio that will run all day and bring others into the play. That was never Ings game, nor the Italian guy they had. Two desperately scouted signings.
Also think their links to Duran are strange. Physically Duran should be a fine player to play that Antonio type role but I've never seen any evidence of it with us. His hold up play is non existent. He also tends to throw a strop every ten minutes that I couldn't see Moyes putting up with. If he could mature quickly he could be an asset but I think Emery will push for him to go if the price is right.
Disaster yesterday for sure, assist for the goal and won their pen too.
yeah well he had his hair in yesterday, its been out up to then and he has been shit
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"Ings, who was known for his quickness" Hang on what ?
I assume they meant it in relation to his 'bants' in the changing room?
Quick, skilful (and hairy) here
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BBC rated Ings as WHUFC best player yesterday so maybe media perception is changing following the stich on rug
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We did well to get a decent fee for him as well as the shot in the arm it must of gave Watkins to be the clear #1
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We did well to get a decent fee for him as well as the shot in the arm it must of gave Watkins to be the clear #1
Im not sure that gives me the same reassurance as it appears to give your good self.
If only having one striker is the reason for his confidence, then that means that we are going to be short for cover for as long as we pander to that mental weakness.
If having competition puts a halt to his confidence & form, then he becomes a liability.
Personally, I would get the cover & tell him to man the fuck up & deal with the modern game being about the squad & not his personal feelings.
But in a nice way, of course.
He seems a delicate little flower...
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Agreed, Pablo.
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I really don't see us doing a deal with WHAM! unless it really helped us out FFP wise. A loan with option to buy helps their situation more than ours, and we could be competing with them for a european place.
We're obviously open to him leaving in the right circumstances though.
I've no idea if we'd be looking to sell, but if we are it's possible a loan with an obligation would suit us fine assuming we're ok FFP wise on this 3 year cycle and we're not intending to do much Jan business. It would push the income back a financial year and be in the plus column for an additional year when we may need it.
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We did well to get a decent fee for him as well as the shot in the arm it must of gave Watkins to be the clear #1
Im not sure that gives me the same reassurance as it appears to give your good self.
If only having one striker is the reason for his confidence, then that means that we are going to be short for cover for as long as we pander to that mental weakness.
If having competition puts a halt to his confidence & form, then he becomes a liability.
Personally, I would get the cover & tell him to man the fuck up & deal with the modern game being about the squad & not his personal feelings.
But in a nice way, of course.
He seems a delicate little flower...
Agreed mate. He's very good, but not *that* good. You should never let the tail wag the dog, and in his current barrenish spell, having a proper alternative even if off the bench would be very useful. If we had somebody like Bowen at West Ham, he could also replace Diaby, who let's be honest has been disappointing for way too many weeks/months now. I think part of the problem with Ollie at the moment is that he's having to do the work of two people. And Duran off the bench is mostly never going to work.
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We need to get the team that beat Man City/Arsenal in the double-header back out on the pitch.
In other words, Tielemans, Torres & Digne fit again.
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Agreed - what we lose going forward we more than makeup for with a solid and skilful midfield 4.
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We need to get the team that beat Man City/Arsenal in the double-header back out on the pitch.
In other words, Tielemans, Torres & Digne fit again.
Agreed Perce.
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Ship out Duran in some sort of exchange for Broja.
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Telegraph reporting that Chelsea may make a bid for him. https://twitter.com/Matt_Law_DT/status/1750232205329039779
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Ship out Duran in some sort of exchange for Broja.
I've not been overly impressed whenever I've seen Broja and his goalscoring record isn't that great either.
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Telegraph reporting that Chelsea may make a bid for him. https://twitter.com/Matt_Law_DT/status/1750232205329039779
To be ignored unless ridiculously high...
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Chelsea really are the gift that keep giving
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Someone needs to tell him about Carney Chukmawanka. If he’s looking to get out to Chelsea go right ahead. We want players who want to be here. If he can’t see what’s happening with us and thinks going there is a better opportunity then he’s a fool.
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Honestly, if they want to give us a chunk above what we paid for him, I'll pay for the shipping to send him down there. I'll stump up for DPD as well, none of that Yodel or Evri shit.
There's too much smoke around this bloke for there not to be fire.
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Someone needs to tell him about Carney Chukmawanka. If he’s looking to get out to Chelsea go right ahead. We want players who want to be here. If he can’t see what’s happening with us and thinks going there is a better opportunity then he’s a fool.
Chukwuemeka had the mild excuse of being here under Gerrard. Duran is playing for one of the best managers we've ever had in a team that's doing brilliantly, and he's trying his best to get out of the door.
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Honestly, if they want to give us a chunk above what we paid for him, I'll pay for the shipping to send him down there. I'll stump up for DPD as well, none of that Yodel or Evri shit.
There's too much smoke around this bloke for there not to be fire.
I’m not sure if bloke is the right term, child might fit better. Then again he’s as young as my eldest daughter who is still a child really. She may have moved out and off on her first holiday without any parents next month but still very much a child in my head!
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Isn't this a case of Villa looking to get rid as opposed to JD looking to get out? I'm sure John Percy (or some other journalist), at the opening of the window, suggested Villa would look to move on Donk, Bertie and Duran? Looks like it's one down and two to go.
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The only two Emery mentioned by name that were free to leave were Chambers and Bert.
I'm not sure why people are keen to see Duran move on so soon personally. If it's true that the likes of Chelsea and Milan are keen on him, then he can't be that bad. I think he was expecting much more game time than he's had and he's frustrated which is understandable.
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Someone needs to tell him about Carney Chukmawanka. If he’s looking to get out to Chelsea go right ahead. We want players who want to be here. If he can’t see what’s happening with us and thinks going there is a better opportunity then he’s a fool.
Chukwuemeka had the mild excuse of being here under Gerrard. Duran is playing for one of the best managers we've ever had in a team that's doing brilliantly, and he's trying his best to get out of the door.
I also read he is a Chelsea fan. Not a good move for his career but emotionally joining your favourite club would be a big pull. Fuck him.
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Whether there's genuine interest in him or not, I can't see Emery letting him go if he hasn't got someone coming in.
All the conversations I've read/heard people have about us and what we needed to do to keep challenging at the top said we need a really good back up for Watkins. I just can't see us going from questionable backup to none.
Of course, as mentioned before, we were told Diaby and Zaniolo can play anywhere across the front, including as striker. Not sure about Diaby but I wouldn't mind seeing Zaniolo deployed as such, but even then, it's not a long term solution.
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Was about to say, what has he done to get Chelsea and Wham putting offers in but the same article goes on to state that Chelsea rate Broja at 50m! Alright, let's do a straight swap then.
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Was about to say, what has he done to get Chelsea and Wham putting offers in but the same article goes on to state that Chelsea rate Broja at 50m! Alright, let's do a straight swap then.
He was the wife of an acrobat though, Eamonn.
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Lots of speculation about Duran but it depends what he was told when we signed him and whether both sides are maintaining their plan for the player.
We signed him for what was not an inconsiderable amount for where we are currently in our development and we sold a proven EPL striker in Ings to make space for him for close to the same amount.
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The only two Emery mentioned by name that were free to leave were Chambers and Bert.
Although the credibility of that is looking shonky given Dendoncker is leaving.
It just seems to me that there is an awful lot of controversy being generated by a very junior member of the squad. I'd rather not have that as a distraction to the team, so if there's any truth in it, I hope we move him on.
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The only two Emery mentioned by name that were free to leave were Chambers and Bert.
Although the credibility of that is looking shonky given Dendoncker is leaving.
It just seems to me that there is an awful lot of controversy being generated by a very junior member of the squad. I'd rather not have that as a distraction to the team, so if there's any truth in it, I hope we move him on.
I think this is it; the noise is either coming from the club or the player/his agent, so somebody looks to want out or that something changes.
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The controversy mainly seems to be from when he wiped his Insta a while ago so some decided he must have fallen out with the club, Mings also wiped his but no such stuff from fans about him. And reports a couple of clubs are interested him. Everything else is seems mainly clickbait articles using vague terms like "maybe", "understood to", "suggested" and so on.
He may actually turn out to be a massive bellend that Emery wants gone but some seem to have decided it is fact despite no actual proof.
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The controversy mainly seems to be from when he wiped his Insta a while ago so some decided he must have fallen out with the club, Mings also wiped his but no such stuff from fans about him. And reports a couple of clubs are interested him. Everything else is seems mainly clickbait articles using vague terms like "maybe", "understood to", "suggested" and so on.
He may actually turn out to be a massive bellend that Emery wants gone but some seem to have decided it is fact despite no actual proof.
Perhaps but it would seem odd to have so many stories about a low profile, relatively unknown kid we bought from the MLS and who has scored just two premier league goals so far without there being something in it. The mainstream media barely pay attention to us at the best of times (like 2023). Even to generate clicks from the usual click bait sites.
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Wouldn't lose a wink of sleep in him leaving. Strange signing , hasn't shown much on the pitch.
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The controversy mainly seems to be from when he wiped his Insta a while ago so some decided he must have fallen out with the club, Mings also wiped his but no such stuff from fans about him. And reports a couple of clubs are interested him. Everything else is seems mainly clickbait articles using vague terms like "maybe", "understood to", "suggested" and so on.
He may actually turn out to be a massive bellend that Emery wants gone but some seem to have decided it is fact despite no actual proof.
Emery has made some pointed comments about Duran throughout the season so it's more than clickbait. Experienced players like McGinn and Watkins haven't been happy with him in recent games either. I thought Duran had a decent cameo at Everton to be fair, very close to getting the winner. Huge goal against Palace. But much of the time he comes on and plays like an idiot, mindless aggression and a red card waiting to happen. Sheff United at home comes to mind. When given chances to start, he has been poor and hooked early. The likes of Chelsea and West Ham aren't making public their interest without encouragement from the player, so I suspect Emery will be happy to let him go if the price is right.
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Article in the Telegraph by Matt Law about Chelsea interest, so more than click bait.
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It’s not going to be click bait if it’s Matt Law.
I just can’t see how it makes any sense for us, unless it’s going to be a ludicrously high offer and we’re in a position to replace him.
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It makes sense, from a logical perspective at least, if we’re replacing potential (maybe with an attitude) with potential (the kid from Boro). From a pushing hard for CL it makes sense but isn’t all that inspiring. FFP obviously having an impact which really is annoying.
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Double post fail
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I'm quite critical of Duran as he's mostly ineffective when he plays at the moment. But he does seem to have big potential and I can see him becoming a top player. I think he could probably do with a season in the Championship to mature and develop. But given what we paid for him I doubt very much whether that's something either he or we would consider.
I'd be disappointed if we sold him to a rival as it feels like it could come back to bite us. But the truth is for what we need right now getting our money back would probably be sensible business.
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Isn't this a case of Villa looking to get rid as opposed to JD looking to get out? I'm sure John Percy (or some other journalist), at the opening of the window, suggested Villa would look to move on Donk, Bertie and Duran? Looks like it's one down and two to go.
If it's the club doing all the shit stirring it would be pretty dumb of them to paint him as a troublemaker when we're looking for the best price for him. My gut feeling is his agent is behind a lot of it. He probably sees JD as a cash cow that can make him very rich off bonuses. The frustrating thing is I think a good run in the first team would see him flourish and he could become a top striker but how can you drop Watkins? That's the million dollar question in my opinion.
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He's not Emery's player and if there is some friction there is only going to be one winner. If he is going to leave (and as long as we don't lose money on him) get him out and get a replacement in ASAP.
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He's not Emery's player and if there is some friction there is only going to be one winner. If he is going to leave (and as long as we don't lose money on him) get him out and get a replacement in ASAP.
Pretty much my view. He looks like he could be a decent striker in a year or two, but he's not adding much except yellow cards when he comes on at the moment, and it doesn't look like he's prepared to learn and grow with one of the best managers in the business.
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He's not Emery's player and if there is some friction there is only going to be one winner. If he is going to leave (and as long as we don't lose money on him) get him out and get a replacement in ASAP.
This is it. We need another option up top if he’s going to go
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Yep if he’s going we need to beef up the squad, we really can’t let this opportunity slip.
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He's only been here a year, and we had 2 strikers in the team when he signed. I'm not sure what anyone would have expected to happen differently when it comes to game time. In fact he's probably gotten more than might have been expected with Ings going and us having more games this season. But as others have said, if there's any kind of bad feeling there, either from the player or manager, then a move is better than having something negative like that hanging over the squad.
What surprises me is the teams he's being linked with. Poor as Chelsea have been, it still seems unlikely they see a bit part Villa player as the solution this window. West Ham might be more believable.
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He's only been here a year, and we had 2 strikers in the team when he signed. I'm not sure what anyone would have expected to happen differently when it comes to game time. In fact he's probably gotten more than might have been expected with Ings going and us having more games this season. But as others have said, if there's any kind of bad feeling there, either from the player or manager, then a move is better than having something negative like that hanging over the squad.
What surprises me is the teams he's being linked with. Poor as Chelsea have been, it still seems unlikely they see a bit part Villa player as the solution this window. West Ham might be more believable.
They'll have an eye on selling him for more in 3 years time when all those 8 year contracts start to bite.
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He was poor at Boro A in the Cup and that was a big opportunity for him to show he could play - not necessarily banging goals in but all round play - holding the ball up etc.
He was really poor , he isn't the answer right now and needs to do what Archer did - go play week in week out somewhere
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Its a weird one as I don't even know what we could realistically get for him as he's done couple of big things for us but in general he's mostly looked a bit shit imo. Is it a small loss, money back or profit? I suppose theres no better club to come in for him than a desperate Chelsea if we want to rinse somebody.
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Agree Tim. But I suspect he will think he's above dropping down a league for experience.
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Agree Tim. But I suspect he will think he's above dropping down a league for experience.
Almost certainly. Not sure with the benefit of hindsight that the big video message etc when he signed was the best idea after all. We've never done that for anybody else, let alone a promising youth player.
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Agree Tim. But I suspect he will think he's above dropping down a league for experience.
Almost certainly. Not sure with the benefit of hindsight that the big video message etc when he signed was the best idea after all. We've never done that for anybody else, let alone a promising youth player.
was that the one with JPA ?
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No, it was the other one with Shakira and one of Pablo Escobar's hippos.
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Hips don't lie and all that??
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If Chelsea are serious, then we should just swap for Broja.
They rate Broja at Ł50M due to his potential, but as they want to sell him & replace him with Duran, they clearly see Duran as equal to, or with enhanced potential to Broja, so lets just swap players.
Otherwise, its Ł50M+ for Duran to them.
If they want to pay a penny less than Ł50M, then they can fuck right off...
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Spot on Pablo. I would take a swap, think Broja has good potential. Maybe not as high as Duran long term, but might fit Emery better.
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If Chelsea are serious, then we should just swap for Broja.
They rate Broja at Ł50M due to his potential, but as they want to sell him & replace him with Duran, they clearly see Duran as equal to, or with enhanced potential to Broja, so lets just swap players.
Otherwise, its Ł50M+ for Duran to them.
If they want to pay a penny less than Ł50M, then they can fuck right off...
There is no way Chelsea are going to pay Ł50m quid for Duran. The same way nobody is going to do the same for Broja.
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Duran + Ł10m and we take Broja . Be a decent bit of business if we can get that over the line
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If Chelsea are serious, then we should just swap for Broja.
They rate Broja at Ł50M due to his potential, but as they want to sell him & replace him with Duran, they clearly see Duran as equal to, or with enhanced potential to Broja, so lets just swap players.
Otherwise, its Ł50M+ for Duran to them.
If they want to pay a penny less than Ł50M, then they can fuck right off...
There is no way Chelsea are going to pay Ł50m quid for Duran. The same way nobody is going to do the same for Broja.
Thats not our problem.
Ł50M is Chelseas valuation.
Not mine.
If Chelsea are seriously interested in Duran, they have laid out the valuation they think is reasonable by their demands for the man they want to replace with Duran...
And again, this goes back to valuations made based on potential.
Nobody thought that the lad they sold to Newcastle was worth Ł40M, but they demanded it & Newcastle paid it.
I have said several times in the past six months that I think that we tend to undervalue our players because I don't think we add in potential to a valuation of a young player.
And don't get me wrong, I don't think that Duran is worth Ł50M.
Or Broja for that matter.
But Chelsea do...
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I kind of agree. I don't see how a post ACL Broja (with 9 goals in 38 for Southampton) is worth more than Columbian international Duran.
Broja looked decent two seasons ago tbf. But he's 22 now, has had a huge injury and has never been prolific. He's done nothing since he went back to Chelsea. He hardly got a kick last season before his injury (half a season) and has hardly had a kick since his return in December.
He's got 4 years left on his contract and I don't see why we should be bailing Chelsea out on this one unless it's on very favourable terms.
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Emery has just said Duran is injured.
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Emery has just said Duran is injured.
hmmmm....
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Suspicious - I think he has potential and it may be completely overblown, but I’m starting to wonder if it’s more trouble than it’s worth. I’m undecided, but if we got a really big offer AND got a replacement it might be worth looking at. It strikes me as there might be some immaturity combined with some ropey advice going on.
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It all sounds a bit 'Carney' tbh.
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Emery has just said Duran is injured.
hmmmm....
Pesky toe injury flared up again
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I seem to remember a few weeks back he was injured and one or two suspected he might be off only for him to come back and play again so I'm not reading too much into it yet
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Hmmm indeed. Even more so with who we are playing.
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He’s not bloody injured! He is offski if we get the replacement the club wants.
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I seem to remember a few weeks back he was injured and one or two suspected he might be off only for him to come back and play again so I'm not reading too much into it yet
He was injured in November, I don't think there's a transfer window then.
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Out for a few weeks.
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Jacob Tanswell
@J_Tanswell
#AVFC confident Jhon Duran will not be leaving for Chelsea this month, amid reports. 20yo will miss the game against Chelsea & the "next weeks" due to a hamstring injury sustained at Everton. Pau Torres, Digne & Ramsey also ruled out. Story @TheAthleticFC
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Jacob Tanswell
@J_Tanswell
#AVFC confident Jhon Duran will not be leaving for Chelsea this month, amid reports. 20yo will miss the game against Chelsea & the "next weeks" due to a hamstring injury sustained at Everton. Pau Torres, Digne & Ramsey also ruled out. Story @TheAthleticFC
Very strange wording “AVFC confident Jhon Duran will not be leaving.” He’s under contract! Something is definitely going on. This is starting to feel like another chuck situation. In which case take Chelsea for mugs yet again and get a shed load in.
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If he's out injured for a few weeks you'd think that would make a move unlikely.
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If he's out injured for a few weeks you'd think that would make a move unlikely.
Possibly. Equally how much of a surprise would it be much if he was fit again once the window shuts?
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It could just be the reporters wording.
And why would we pretend he was injured, how does that in any way benefit us?
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I thought Emery's short answer quite interesting to what was clearly a question open for him to wax lyrical about the player's first year at the club. "He is injured. I am happy with him". And that was it. I imagine we've named our price and are waiting to see who meets it.
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It could just be the reporters wording.
And why would we pretend he was injured, how does that in any way benefit us?
The player may have made themselves unavailable. It happens when a transfer may be in the offing.
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You really think everyone at the club, including Emery, would pretend he was going to be injured for weeks only for him to be playing again in a week?
The stories that come up when it comes to Duran are bizarre.
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You really think everyone at the club, including Emery, would pretend he was going to be injured for weeks only for him to be playing again in a week?
The stories that come up when it comes to Duran are bizarre.
To protect the player (and his value), yes. It’s happened before and it’ll happen again.
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So we'll pretend he's injured, be without a backup striker for 2 key games, and then bring him back as if nothing happened, or sell him. Meanwhile someone with the integrity of Emery is lying to everyone.
I'm convinced no such story would exist for any other player but Duran.
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Why would we want to protect his value by pretending he's injured?
Firstly, if the lad has been agitating for a move he's hardly likely to agree to any club plan to pretend he's injured. Secondly, unless we get anybody else in which is looking unlikely, he's still a player we can use on the bench. Thirdly, if he has been a pain in the arse, surely we'd actually want to sell him and not pretend he's injured?
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You really think everyone at the club, including Emery, would pretend he was going to be injured for weeks only for him to be playing again in a week?
The stories that come up when it comes to Duran are bizarre.
You may be right, but I'm sure these types of 'injuries' happen all the time when a transfer may be close or a player unsettled.
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I thought Emery's short answer quite interesting to what was clearly a question open for him to wax lyrical about the player's first year at the club. "He is injured. I am happy with him". And that was it. I imagine we've named our price and are waiting to see who meets it.
I would take that as him being injured and there being no personal issues between Emery and him. But maybe I'm too trusting.
What I will say, and I've said it since these rumours started, if it's his agent trying to manufacture something, he needs to calm down a bit and plant more believable rumours. Everything about this story has seemed off from the first AC Milan one appeared. I'm not buying into all the conspiracy theories when it comes to Durán, but nothing about the teams he's linked with have seemed believable.
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If we wanted to sell him, why would we pretend he's injured, which would potentially put off bidders also meaning a potential lower price. We'd do what we did with Doug, reject bids and carry on as normal. If the player wants to leave why would he pretend to be injured, potentially putting off the move. Why would Emery make himself look a liar and a twat? How do they expect it to never come out in this day and age?
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I think you're incredibly naive if you don't think this sort of thing ever happens PWS.
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I think you're incredibly naive if you don't think this sort of thing ever happens PWS.
It might do, as PWS says though, the idea doesn't really suit the cirumstances at the moment.
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I think you're incredibly naive if you don't think this sort of thing ever happens PWS.
It might do, as PWS says though, the idea doesn't really suit the cirumstances at the moment.
It would suit if we're finalising a deal with Chelsea or if Duran was trying to force a move. But I agree, the 'few weeks' makes it seem more genuine to me.
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I think you're incredibly naive if you don't think this sort of thing ever happens PWS.
Which thing from my previous post am I being naive over?
Which of those, and it needs a more than one of them, do you think is going on with Duran? Do you really think Emery is lying, a lie that apaprently in a week will be exposed when Duran is playing for either us or AN Other FC?
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Why would we want to protect his value by pretending he's injured?
Firstly, if the lad has been agitating for a move he's hardly likely to agree to any club plan to pretend he's injured. Secondly, unless we get anybody else in which is looking unlikely, he's still a player we can use on the bench. Thirdly, if he has been a pain in the arse, surely we'd actually want to sell him and not pretend he's injured?
A move may be close and the player is frustrated that it hasn’t happened. Perhaps the fee or structure of the deal aren’t what we want or a move is dependent on us getting a replacement. If it’s true, a young guy’s head might be turned and he’s unsettled. He may have been given time to get his head straight. Better to protect the player by saying he’s injured than the alternative of throwing him under the bus to the wider world if he ends up staying. Clubs will do anything to protect a player who they perceive to have value. Now this is speculation in the case of Duran although it would seem something is going on. But as a general approach, the above happens.
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If people belive all the stuff about Durán having an ego and bad attitude, trying to engineer a move, etc. I can't see why they'd believe he'd go along with the club pretending he's injured.
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If people belive all the stuff about Durán having an ego and bad attitude, trying to engineer a move, etc. I can't see why they'd believe he'd go along with the club pretending he's injured.
It's just speculation one way or another. It's possible he's injured, it's possible there's some press management going on for reasons discussed.
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Maybe he's going to the moon. That woukd explain it, and be just as likely as the other guesses here
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Maybe he's going to the moon. That woukd explain it, and be just as likely as the other guesses here
You reckon? To be honest I don't think that's as likely as him being unsettled due to transfer speculation, but each to their own.
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Fake injury so he doesn't play against his new employer tomorrow ??
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Maybe he's going to the moon. That woukd explain it, and be just as likely as the other guesses here
You reckon? To be honest I don't think that's as likely as him being unsettled due to transfer speculation, but each to their own.
Yeah but moonlandings are back on the agenda now.
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Moon landings never happened!!
I may as well join in with the bonkers tin hat conspiracies that are on this thread.
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Either way what we always feared and that is only having one recognised striker at the club is now upon us.
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Either way what we always feared and that is only having one recognised striker at the club is now upon us.
Zaniolo's time to shine! Last minute worldie winners incoming every week!
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Zaniolo's time to shine! Last minute worldie winners incoming every week!
Fucking tin hat conspiracy theorist! 😉
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Zaniolo's time to shine! Last minute worldie winners incoming every week!
Fucking tin hat conspiracy theorist! 😉
In all seriousness though, I've been saying since the summer Zaniolo and Diaby are supposed to be able to play as strikers. I've wanted to see Zaniolo played as an out and out front man for a while now, just to see if he can do anything worthwhile. Obviously I wouldn't just decide to play him instead of Watkins, and he's better used as a sub to take a midfielder off. But..... here we are in a position where we might actually have a reason to do it! (Reason, no other option, potato potahto)
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From Fabrizio Romano:
“I'm hearing that a real proposal came from Italy for Duran to make a move happen, and Aston Villa said no. From what I heard, there have been some contacts from England but never an official bid for Duran. I think Villa's absolute priority will be to keep some of their players, like Duran. They had some proposals and opportunities for a loan deal for Duran, but they always wanted to keep the player at the club. So, I think this is Villa's real focus now.”
https://www.givemesport.com/aston-villa-transfer-news-keep-jhon-duran-at-club/ (https://www.givemesport.com/aston-villa-transfer-news-keep-jhon-duran-at-club/)
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He's triggered people again today.
He's either a twat, a genius, or thick.
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What’s he done now?
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Chelsea have signed a Columbian striker for their women's team. He has stated "deserved" and some emoticons and apparently that is too much for some.
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Chelsea have signed a Columbian striker for their women's team. He has stated "deserved" and some emoticons and apparently that is too much for some.
😂
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This is what's set some off
https://twitter.com/jhonduran991/status/1750945519973577069
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Can’t see the issue - nice to see a male player supporting the women’s game.
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Twitter really is vile. I should bin it really.
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Twitter really is vile. I should bin it really.
it's called X now Grandad ;)
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Twitter really is vile. I should bin it really.
it's called X now Grandad ;)
I’ll never call Twitter ‘X’
I still struggle to call a marathon ‘snickers’ so I’m ok with playing the long game on this.
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Twitter really is vile. I should bin it really.
it's called X now Grandad ;)
I’ll never call Twitter ‘X’
I still struggle to call a marathon ‘snickers’ so I’m ok with playing the long game on this.
Our Woolworths is now Co-op and I still say next to Woolworths so there is no way I’ll call it Twitter X.
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Athletic article about Duran and Villa:
Aston Villa’s Jhon Duran – what’s going on?
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By Jacob Tanswell
Jan 27, 2024
Jhon Duran is one of the most-discussed back-up strikers in the Premier League.
Even his absence at Stamford Bridge swelled and swirled the type of speculation that has become commonplace with him. Duran is a 20-year-old of raw potential and described by those within the scouting industry, at the time Aston Villa signed him in January last year, as one of the best teenagers of his profile in the world.
Duran’s talent has been clouded by off-the-field noise, or in some cases, the lack of it, adding to the intrigue. It has frustrated supporters and his club alike, creating unnecessary headlines about himself, whether it is deleting and then re-uploading Villa-related posts, or regularly unfollowing them on his social media.
On Friday, 90 minutes before kick-off in the FA Cup tie with Chelsea, Duran logged onto X, formerly known as Twitter, to congratulate fellow Colombian Mayra Ramirez on moving to the west London club, using three blue hearts.
It all felt rather ironic, given Chelsea’s apparent interest in signing Duran.
The forward was absent for the goalless draw at Stamford Bridge due to a genuine and potentially serious hamstring injury, sustained in the final minutes of Villa’s stalemate at Everton a fortnight ago. Besides, Villa have been adamant Duran will not be leaving in this window.
Chelsea’s interest in Duran is reportedly linked to their ability to offload Armando Broja, which would help with their profit and sustainability rules (PSR) balancing act. Internally, discussions were held, coinciding with Villa’s upcoming visit.
What we know for certain is that Duran is eager for more playing opportunities, with Ollie Watkins leading the line under Villa head coach Unai Emery.
Duran’s representatives have visited Cobham, Chelsea’s training ground, in the past and have encouraged transfer links. This month it was AC Milan, then it was West Ham United — who, peculiarly, thought a six-month loan with an option to buy would persuade Villa there was an upside — and latterly, it is Chelsea.
What is clear within the confusion, though, is the friction between the developmental plan Emery has for Duran and the path the club believe he is travelling on, and the rush for more from him and his camp.
Relatively speaking, for a player in his first full Premier League season and having turned 20 last month, 23 appearances with seven starts across all competitions is representative of a steady and constructive integration process. The sticking point for Duran is he is yet to start a Premier League match, and his total of minutes is just 87.
Emery had no prior knowledge of Duran when he arrived as head coach. That was due to Villa being well down the line towards his Ł14.75million (€17.30m, $18.76m) signing from MLS side Chicago Fire — a deal pushed by their then sporting director Johan Lange, with the club tracking him for six months. The transfer was only finalised once Emery had watched footage and agreed Duran could be refined under his coaching.
Duran has an impressive leap, prolonged and sharp sprint speeds and a muscular physique. But questions about his ability to combine his physical prowess with a mental resolve have long threatened to undermine his progress. As Emery has alluded to this season, always picking his words carefully, Duran has lacked “consistency” in training and games. That remains the case now, highlighted by his unavailability against Chelsea.
Watkins, Villa’s only fit forward, led the line again on Friday and was a threat in a game in which a draw was a fair reflection.
The 28-year-old is seen to embody the endeavour and professionalism Emery deems essential. He invariably uses Watkins as an example for team-mates, often topping running and sprint charts and putting in additional hours after training. Fairly or unfairly as a result, Duran, because he is competing for the same position, is compared to Watkins.
The Colombia international’s application has brought mixed results this season. There have been concerns over his physical condition upon returning from international duty — simiarly to Bertrand Traore with Burkina Faso — leaving Emery having to fend off questions. Privately, manager and player have held discussions. Duran has missed five games this season through three separate injuries, including a toe infection in October.
“He came back from Colombia injured,” Emery said after Duran missed the 3-1 victory against Luton Town, which coincided with Duran removing Villa from his Instagram profile. “We have to support and help him every day to focus on only football, every training and how he can improve.
“I am not here to control each player’s social media. But I asked him about it and he told me it’s not relevant. He’s thinking and focusing on playing here with us.”
Duran is a young man and still adjusting to a new country far from home. He can appear distant and keep himself to himself. Led by Phil Roscoe, Villa have one of the Premier League’s leading player care departments, one that is well-liked by families of players. They have worked hard to help Duran settle. Emery has followed suit of late, offering warm praise in the media and holding more chats one-on-one.
“I speak a lot to him because I know it is not easy to improve on Ollie Watkins,” said Emery.
The noise needs to clear and the consistency Emery references needs to be found because, as Villa discovered at Stamford Bridge, an increased fixture schedule means strength in numbers is critical.
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That seems quite fair. Worried slightly about the “
Potentially serious hamstring injury “ though. We really do need a back up striker. A bad tackle on Ollie could seriously mess us up.
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Whatever I think of Duran, representatives stirring the pot is always fucking irritating. He's young so might be easily swayed by seemingly more mature voices. Would have been interesting to see how hard they would have pushed if he hadn't got injured.
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I could not care less if he stayed or went. He’s being badly advised and listening to the crap. I’ve no sympathy.
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Remember last year when Bailey appeared to be on his way. His agent/dad seemingly arguing Leon needed to get away. Look what a year has done. Bailey is motivated and understands his role and been really important starting or coming on. Duran has to adjust to his role. He’s made some mistakes but it is clear he’s got a lot of voices in his ear, from his agent or his national team telling a 20 year old what he should be doing. Much like Carney Chukwuemeka failed to realize, a player who has barely featured for Chelsea since joining, I hope Duran and his advisors understand the golden opportunity he’s got to be at a top PL team that is challenging for honours and possibly competing in the CL next season.
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Bailey has picked up some great form which is great timing for his contract extension (if we give him one ?) .
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He’s out for two months apparently.
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I semi jokingly suggested we bid for Szmodics from Blackburn last night, but if Durán really is out for 2 months then maybe we really should.
Or maybe we'll just start using Zaniolo as backup striker.
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Or maybe we'll just start using Zaniolo as backup striker.
That's exactly what Emery said yesterday that he was going to do. I can't see it personally, but who knows.
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Or maybe we'll just start using Zaniolo as backup striker.
That's exactly what Emery said yesterday that he was going to do. I can't see it personally, but who knows.
I feel like I've said it a million times now, but when they signed both Zaniolo and Diaby were billed as being able to play anywhere across the front, including as striker. Zaniolo isn't exactly lighting fires as a midfielder, so maybe he'll actually prove useful now if he's given a different role.
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If he can score a flying header a lŕ Cascarino like he did against t'Blades, I'm all for it. I'm finding it hard to believe he could do it regularly in the PL though.
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Zaniolo's new brightly coloured bonce should make for an easier target to find when slinging crosses into the box.
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Or maybe we'll just start using Zaniolo as backup striker.
That's exactly what Emery said yesterday that he was going to do. I can't see it personally, but who knows.
I’ve said before that I think he looks like a centre forward that’s playing out of position so I hope he does get a chance as it would be interesting to see what he can do. Might be fuck all, but still.
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I'd like to see him in that position also - he seems to have a bit more nous than Duran and I'd prefer him on the end of crosses, rather than creating them.
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There's a clip doing the rounds of Durán back in training - a nice little boost if he's back fit. We're actually getting a a squad together all of a sudden...!
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Just in time for the Ajax games.
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Great goal, all round performance was very good.
He's going to be a great player for us.
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Probably needs to learn when to place a finish, but what a strike for his goal.
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Great finish for the goal. He is chaos. There’s shots and bodies flying everywhere some of his finishing is awful. But he does have an impact.
There’s something weird going on though. I’m not sure he gets on that well with either his manager or team mates?!
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Duran is absolute box office. He doesn’t fit our usual style but that could be where he makes a difference. Hopefully he will stay fit for the rest of the season.
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Duran is like a panda. You never know what he's going to do next but you know to keep watching him as it's going to be chaos of some kind.
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Another woodwork-breaking belter á la Yeboah. No better sound in football, in off the bar (twice in this case). Next step, a Stauntonesque stanchion-stonker please.
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He did alright when he came on but he needs to be told he doesn't have to try and bost the net with every chance.
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Tonight is his level . Well done JD.
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There’s something weird going on though. I’m not sure he gets on that well with either his manager or team mates?!
Everyone seemed absolutely delighted for him when he scored?
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There’s something weird going on though. I’m not sure he gets on that well with either his manager or team mates?!
Everyone seemed absolutely delighted for him when he scored?
That's Generally what happens when a villa player scores a goal at villa park.
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Tonight is his level . Well done JD.
Great compliment
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European football is definitely his level.
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European football is definitely his level.
Yeah the 3rd tier competition I wouldn't disagree, he's looked ok vs your Hibernians and Legia Warsaws in flashes .
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There’s something weird going on though. I’m not sure he gets on that well with either his manager or team mates?!
Everyone seemed absolutely delighted for him when he scored?
That's Generally what happens when a villa player scores a goal at villa park.
Don't you prove the exception?
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I like him. He’s a bit mad. A bit petulant. Does some dumb things as a young kid a long way from home. Got some bad advice from agents and others in his ear. But he’s got a lot of raw talent and hammer of a left peg. He’s a disrupter and defenders don’t like playing against him.
He might not be here next season but all he needs to do is help us between now and the end of this.
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I think the reason his finishing is often a bit wayward is that he's usually trying to catch up with his first touch. I enjoyed watching him tonight though, he looked lean and hungry.
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If he keeps calm and listens to Emery he could develop into a very good centre forward. There’s definitely talent there but he has to realise he’s lucky enough to be working with a world class coach.
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I like him. He’s a bit mad. A bit petulant. Does some dumb things as a young kid a long way from home. Got some bad advice from agents and others in his ear. But he’s got a lot of raw talent and hammer of a left peg. He’s a disrupter and defenders don’t like playing against him.
He might not be here next season but all he needs to do is help us between now and the end of this.
He does seem a bit mad!! You see him waving his arms and having a go at other players and you are always half-expecting him to fly into a horror tackle, but there is definitely something there.
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Tonight JD.
Tomorrow, Drambuie?
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Add the goal to his AVFC highlights reel to go along with booting Luke Shaw for no apparent reason (2023) and winding up more Newcastle defenders in 90 seconds than anyone has previously achieved. (Also 2023). .
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I liked his thundertwat against the bar at the Etihad last year, the first example of his hot-shot traction.
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Add the goal to his AVFC highlights reel to go along with booting Luke Shaw for no apparent reason (2023) and winding up more Newcastle defenders in 90 seconds than anyone has previously achieved. (Also 2023). .
Oh fuck off you tedious prick. We’ve just beaten Ajax 4-0 and he scored an absolute thunderbastard - have a fucking day off
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Unai on Jhón:
"He is always the same. We have to support him in training and playing matches. He was injured for two months. We believe in him and we have to give him chances to play and feel comfortable. It's very important for him to understand us tactically."
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Add 2023 and 90
2113. Easy. What’s your point?
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1768418180152578284
He even supports the right baseball team, what's not to like?
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Add the goal to his AVFC highlights reel to go along with booting Luke Shaw for no apparent reason (2023) and winding up more Newcastle defenders in 90 seconds than anyone has previously achieved. (Also 2023). .
I think we get it.
You don't rate him.
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To be honest, I had forgotten about him as an option
Big, strong and can hit a ball. Give him a chance.
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He sort of reminds me of Lukaku. Not sure if that's good or not.
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Considering he’s had 3 months or so out, he looked far less rusty than I would have expected and a bit more composure in front of goal he could have had a hat trick. Good to have him as an option for the run in.
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Add 2023 and 90
2113. Easy. What’s your point?
I've been trying to understand the m/o of our Tim. Starting to wonder if he's an infiltrator. I mean I know a few hard to please villa fans but he's next level with his endless snidey remarks.
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Add 2023 and 90
2113. Easy. What’s your point?
I've been trying to understand the m/o of our Tim. Starting to wonder if he's an infiltrator. I mean I know a few hard to please villa fans but he's next level with his endless snidey remarks.
A seance with Freud might be needed for that!.
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I thought he was Flinstone reincarnated as he appeared when dear Flin disappeared
He does however have some memories of previous times so I am not sure.
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So predictable too.
As for Duran, it’s another goal as well as a couple more efforts on target, a few wayward ones as well but generally he made himself a pain in the arse, didn’t hide and I still think there’s going to be a decent player there as he matures.
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So predictable too.
As for Duran, it’s another goal as well as a couple more efforts on target, a few wayward ones as well but generally he made himself a pain in the arse, didn’t hide and I still think there’s going to be a decent player there as he matures.
Yep. He's big and physical and niggly, where Watkins can be too nice. He's an alternative and brings a different dimension.
He also gets goals, despite not getting a lot of game time. I can understand his frustration at not playing, but if he stays and listens he's only going to get better.
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I thought he was Flinstone reincarnated as he appeared when dear Flin disappeared
He does however have some memories of previous times so I am not sure.
Fred is back as 85Kota I suspect.
Our Tim is just someone who likes Villa to lose and to wind up people on here for some weird reason. Maybe he just wants attention as sometimes he will repeat the same thing several times if no one has bitten originally. Luckily he isn't Coopers Injury though. That bloke was a prime wanker and thick as shit.
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That’s the thing. 5 goals this season including 2 in the PL, in how many minute’s football and how much have those minutes been spread out?
All I see is lots of potential with rough edges that need smoothing out. Rogers also had some good moments with his passing and link up play, another with lots of potential.
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That’s the thing. 5 goals this season including 2 in the PL, in how many minute’s football and how much have those minutes been spread out?
For comparison, Evan Ferguson (who earlier in the season was inevitably going to sign for Man City for Ł100m in a year or two) has six goals this season in about 1700 minutes.
Duran has five in around 700 minutes.
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It is Fergusons form falling off a cliff that has done for Brighton this season. They rely on finding these young players domestically and abroad who come good and it seemed young Evan was the next one. But without him they pretty much relied totally on Mitoma. When he leaves in the summer they could start being mid-table only, and if Di Zerba goes, might even be down in a couple of seasons unless the transfer magic starts working again.
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There’s something weird going on though. I’m not sure he gets on that well with either his manager or team mates?!
Everyone seemed absolutely delighted for him when he scored?
I can’t put my finger on it but it’s some of the interactions he has with his team mates through the game. Looks, gesticulations etc. could be totally wrong though, and often am.
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They seem to be a close knit bunch on the whole, and they probably all know he's like an excitable puppy. He showed some good touches which was promising, but he's still incredibly raw when it comes to end product. I do like how direct he is though.
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His goal against Palace was enough to show that he’s got it, even without all of the other decent moments. The positioning, the take (which was great control and took any chance of a defender getting to the ball away) and then BAM!
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He certainly has some power in his shot, not sure I have seen a shot that has hit the crossbar twice.
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His goal against Palace was enough to show that he’s got it, even without all of the other decent moments. The positioning, the take (which was great control and took any chance of a defender getting to the ball away) and then BAM!
There were also the two times last night where Duran might have been through on goal if the defender hadn't tried to swap shirts
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He shows decent potential & he has one of the most important elements needed to be a striker & thats the ability to get into scoring positions.
His strength is good, he has pace, he is tall & has a rocket in his boots.
He is still very raw though with his touch & finesse.
The thing that concerns me the most with his game is the way he runs around flapping his arms in disappointment if a ball isn't sent in his direction, at refs calls, after he 'Tonevs' a shot, etc. He seems to do it more than any other player on our team.
One could say that if directed in the right way, this demand for both the ball & perfection, could become a key asset.
He is young though & both of those issues can be ironed out over time.
The important thing is that there is a strong framework for a decent player within him.
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Add the goal to his AVFC highlights reel to go along with booting Luke Shaw for no apparent reason (2023) and winding up more Newcastle defenders in 90 seconds than anyone has previously achieved. (Also 2023). .
Oh fuck off you tedious prick. We’ve just beaten Ajax 4-0 and he scored an absolute thunderbastard - have a fucking day off
To quote Meatloaf, Pat
“You took the word right out of my mouth…”
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He got into a couple of very decent positions, but needs to learn that he doesn't have to blast every single shot. Of course they look brilliant when they do go in, but if he watches Ollie, he rarely scores a worldie, and mostly relies on trying to stick them in the corners.
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He looks very er, enthusiastic. I guess he isn't Unai's type of player given his uniqueness and propensity to do off the cuff stuff rather than what he's been told. Great fun to watch mind, apart from looking like a red card trying to find a home.
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He got into a couple of very decent positions, but needs to learn that he doesn't have to blast every single shot. Of course they look brilliant when they do go in, but if he watches Ollie, he rarely scores a worldie, and mostly relies on trying to stick them in the corners.
He needs better decision making, but Diaby was the same for a lot of the game last night. Likely for polar opposite reasons, but hopefully it'll come with experience for Durán.
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Yeah, oddly it seems like confidence with Moussa although I thought he looked better last night. Duran doesn’t lack confidence, he’s right in everyone’s faces which I think is a good sign he’ll make it although it will need to be refined and channeled better as he matures. I think we can all see he’s got work to do but writing him off as one or two seem to is just fucking daft. He’s got plenty going for him.
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He got into a couple of very decent positions, but needs to learn that he doesn't have to blast every single shot. Of course they look brilliant when they do go in, but if he watches Ollie, he rarely scores a worldie, and mostly relies on trying to stick them in the corners.
Yeah. If you look back at a lot of his goals in the past twelve months, there are loads where there hardly even seems enough pace on it to trouble the keeper. But he's clearly traded power for accuracy when needed and is reaping the rewards.
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He got into a couple of very decent positions, but needs to learn that he doesn't have to blast every single shot. Of course they look brilliant when they do go in, but if he watches Ollie, he rarely scores a worldie, and mostly relies on trying to stick them in the corners.
Although it took awhile for Ollie to learn that as well.
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As most are saying he is a work-in-progress, with masses of potential!
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It was the most impressed I have been with him and I've generally been quite critical.
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I absolutely love this kid, he has (metaphorically) massive balls.
He's going to the top or he'll die trying.
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He needs to stop wearing his socks so absurdly high, he looks like something out of a 1980s aerobics video.
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I'm pleased he scored last night will do his confidence the world of good.
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I'm pleased he scored last night will do his confidence the world of good.
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Love his potential to bits....he has clear positive qualities but is like an excited puppy at the same time.
Last night he did a great job in giving their defenders a real handful to deal with as well as coming close to scoring a hat trick.
Thinking of the ref and his love of yellow cards my mate and I had a rare bet about how long it would take for Big Jhon to get one! Again, his unpredictability got the better of us both!
He's got a lot to learn and he has a great coaching team to work with.
I think he'll be more than just fine.
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Love his potential to bits....he has clear positive qualities but is like an excited puppy at the same time.
Yeah, he's like a Labrador puppy who chews up your slippers but then does something wonderful to make you love him again.
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For me the excited puppy thing is what I like the most about him because it makes him hard to plan for. If we can channel it properly he has all the tools to be a truly world class centre forward, he just needs to learn when to embrace the chaos and when to take a breath and focus himself.
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He certainly has some power in his shot, not sure I have seen a shot that has hit the crossbar twice.
Luiz did it earlier this season. Can't remember who it was against though.
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He certainly has some power in his shot, not sure I have seen a shot that has hit the crossbar twice.
Luiz did it earlier this season. Can't remember who it was against though.
The penalty against Burnley.
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He certainly has some power in his shot, not sure I have seen a shot that has hit the crossbar twice.
Luiz did it earlier this season. Can't remember who it was against though.
He will be lethal if he improves his accuracy. Der Hammer could give the ball some wellie, this lad is a notch above.
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I absolutely love this kid, he has (metaphorically) massive balls.
He's going to the top or he'll die trying.
And he doesn’t seem to take any sh!t from any defender, what ever their reputation.
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If he was a Looney Tunes character he'd be the Tasmanian Devil. He's definitely the proverbial bull but I do really like Duran. He's erratic, sometimes he looks like a red card waiting to happen, but he's a wildcard and he does brilliant things.
I'm delighted he's back, more so it was good to see him looking sharp and full of beans because we're gonna need him.
I'd be inclined to start him Sunday and rest Ollie if he's on the fence fitness-wise. The injury scare was a real asshole puckerer, so maybe we can start him from the bench. One thing that worried me in the Spurs game was how lethargic Ollie seemed by usual standards, mentally and physically. He could do without the England games but same time, he's gotta stake his claim and I'm really hoping he's a key figure at the Euros. But still...the timing of international friendlies is, as always, a pain in the arse.
Thankfully for the hammers game both teams are coming off a Thursday outing, albeit we both found things pleasingly comfortable.
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Thinking the same, Ollie was mauled by the Spurs defence, Duran will give them something to think about, I would worry about him getting a red card though.
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It’s nice to have someone a bit unpredictable on the bench, it does add something to us.
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I like him and wouldn’t be too upset if he stayed. He’s certainly got something about him and was clearly up for it with the fans and his teammates last night.
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Still very young and a bit raw. But, huge potential and a hammer of a left foot. That goal against Crystal Palace earlier in the season.....
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At the moment, he is a loose cannon. No question about his power and pace, but plenty of questions about his temperament and how easily he is wound up.
Unai's decision, but I get the feeling he will stick with him.
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At the moment, he is a loose cannon. No question about his power and pace, but plenty of questions about his temperament and how easily he is wound up.
Unai's decision, but I get the feeling he will stick with him.
Has the lad got the patience and common sense to know when he's got it good though? And is he getting the right advice?
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Very few good young strikers coming through in the Prem. Bring back Cam with Duran and Watkins gives us strength and depth alongside Bailey and Diaby.
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His pace and power is what will probably make him a better forward and bet than Archer. It's just whether he can get his head down for a season or two and learn his craft.
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Duran and Archer are two totally different types of striker so comparing them to one another isn't straightforward. Personally I'd love to see archer back here and given a fair crack.
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Let's hope Jhon is up for it tomorrow.
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Let's hope Jhon is up for it tomorrow.
Is it his first Prem start if Watkins is out injured
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Duran and Archer are two totally different types of striker so comparing them to one another isn't straightforward. Personally I'd love to see archer back here and given a fair crack.
I agree they're very different. Archer is probably a more similar player to Watkin in terms of style of play I'd say.
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Let's hope Jhon is up for it tomorrow.
Is it his first Prem start if Watkins is out injured
It would be, yes.
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I really don't see Cam coming back, I think championship is his level to be honest.
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Archer is 99.99% coming back. Likely to be sold again
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I really don't see Cam coming back, I think championship is his level to be honest.
Not sure assessing him playing in a Dire Sheff Utd team is a fair indication of his talent.
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Could be wrong but I reckon Emery favours the bigger taller striker.
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Could be wrong but I reckon Emery favours the bigger taller striker.
Yeah, I get that impression also...
I think Watkins is about 6'0", Duran is 6'1", Rogers is 6'3"...
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I think Cam needs to develop into a wider forward to have any chance of playing for a decent team at this level.
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Didn't really seize the opportunity today. Drifted out of the game .
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We just don't work with two strikers. It nullifies Watkins as well. It is an instead of sub rather then as well as for those two.
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We just don't work with two strikers. It nullifies Watkins as well. It is an instead of sub rather then as well as for those two.
Yep, agreed. He needs to come on and bulldoze a tiring back four for 30 minutes.
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We just don't work with two strikers. It nullifies Watkins as well. It is an instead of sub rather then as well as for those two.
Emery had a nightmare today with his team selection and formation. I'd give both Duran and Lenglet a bit of a pass as a result.
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Yeah it didnt work today. I think duran started wll but then faded badly and was rightly subbed. Watkins struggles with two up top. We saw that with ings and now duran. Its a failed experiment
Lets not do this again
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I can't blame Emery for trying something different while we are so light in midfield. There's no way he would have gone for this team if McGinn or Kamara were available.
I think we will see a few more experiments of the next couple of months.
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I can't blame Emery for trying something different while we are so light in midfield. There's no way he would have gone for this team if McGinn or Kamara were available.
I think we will see a few more experiments of the next couple of months.
He tried it, it didn't work and he changed it.
We need to be more awake after HT though, we are sleepwalking from mins 45 - 55 and it's costing us.
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Archer is 99.99% coming back. Likely to be sold again
Presumably if we do sell we’re not going to get near what Sheff Utd paid.
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
Isn't everyone on a Chelsea list?
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
Isn't everyone on a Chelsea list?
They had scouts watching me last night.
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
Isn't everyone on a Chelsea list?
They had scouts watching me last night.
Football Insider reckons they've decided not to pursue their interest as you didn't have enough shit tattoos.
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
Isn't everyone on a Chelsea list?
They had scouts watching me last night.
Football Insider reckons they've decided not to pursue their interest as you didn't have enough shit tattoos.
Unlike this bloke.... who had his children's names and a picture of their shit done.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/06/01/35316438-8919769-image-m-28_1604624548728.jpg)
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
Isn't everyone on a Chelsea list?
They had scouts watching me last night.
I signed for them a few years ago, but they immediately sent me out on loan to grindingly depressing middle aged existence, and I've been there since.
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That Romano chap has stated that Chelsea were never close to signing Duran in January & he was just another name on a list that they discussed the possibility of getting.
Well, thats my nervous fever over with...
Isn't everyone on a Chelsea list?
They had scouts watching me last night.
Football Insider reckons they've decided not to pursue their interest as you didn't have enough shit tattoos.
Unlike this bloke.... who had his children's names and a picture of their shit done.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/06/01/35316438-8919769-image-m-28_1604624548728.jpg)
I'm not a big fan of generic tattoos, so I give them credit for originality. It needs some sort of scale measurement though to take it up a notch.
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The flies add a nice touch though. I'm wondering whether he's just named some favourite examples of his own fecal matter evacuated over the years?
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Did he wait for their first solids? Did he take a picture or bring the sample in for the artist to use?
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I read the bottom one as ‘Jobby’
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Jobby was the original tattoo, it seems he had all the rest done in one sitting looking at the redness around the rest.
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They're down the back of his leg, looking like he's shat his kids out all over himself. A lovely tribute to the modern family.
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The concerning thing is that this bloke is a parent. No wonder the world is messed up.
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The concerning thing is that this bloke is a parent. No wonder the world is messed up.
At least he's still around to be a father to his kids.
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Who, Jhon or the shitty leg owner?
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The concerning thing is that this bloke is a parent. No wonder the world is messed up.
At least he's still around to be a father to his kids.
God help them.
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Duran impressed me yesterday. He has improved his game in a few areas I think, winning the ball back without fouling and picking out a pass rather than always shooting for example. If you are a tired defender you really don't want to see him come on after 70 minutes.
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Duran impressed me yesterday. He has improved his game in a few areas I think, winning the ball back without fouling and picking out a pass rather than always shooting for example. If you are a tired defender you really don't want to see him come on after 70 minutes.
Agreed. He's got something most players don't have. I have no idea what it is, but he's got it.
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Very good yesterday, ran his socks off again but seemed to be a lot calmer and wasn’t losing his head.
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It will be interesting if he gets a start on Wednesday to rest Ollie.
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Took him 20 minutes to get a touch, poor bastard. No wonder he dived-in with that brilliant tackle on the edge of Wolves' box to finally get contact on the fucking thing and then made a great lay-off to whoever it was who got a shot off.
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Took him 20 minutes to get a touch, poor bastard. No wonder he dived-in with that brilliant tackle on the edge of Wolves' box to finally get contact on the fucking thing and then made a great lay-off to whoever it was who got a shot off.
He likes doing that high up the pitch. He did it against Spurs at theirs when we were running the clock down at the end and took away their last chance to attack before it even got going.
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Like Zaniolo, I thought yesterday was Durans best performance for us.
He showed some excellent work rate & tenacity with his closing down.
His "bull in a china shop" mentality worked well & gave us some extra physicality to counter Wolves aggression.
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He looks to be more intelligent in his approach and more aware of colleagues.His physicality terrified the Wolves defence.
Ollie has been brilliant under Emery and fully desrves England call ups but Duran has the potential to replace him sooner rather than later.
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I think the reason he (and the same goes for Zaniolo to an extent) is looking better is that he's far more channelled and effective now. So yes, run at defenders and use your physical advantage, but do it in a more controlled and intelligent way. The Emery way, in other words. Hopefully Duran is starting to see that he's working for a genius, and this will bring him far more success in the long run than stampeding over all over the place and getting a sulk on if he doesn't play.
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He looks to be more intelligent in his approach and more aware of colleagues.His physicality terrified the Wolves defence.
Ollie has been brilliant under Emery and fully desrves England call ups but Duran has the potential to replace him sooner rather than later.
Yep, he played well and controlled himself. His physicality is a great asset. If Ollie isn’t fit for mid week then I will look forward to him roughing up City’s defenders. We’re not going to have too many opportunities up top so something unknown like Duran could work to our advantage.
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Duran impressed me yesterday. He has improved his game in a few areas I think, winning the ball back without fouling and picking out a pass rather than always shooting for example. If you are a tired defender you really don't want to see him come on after 70 minutes.
Agreed. He's got something most players don't have. I have no idea what it is, but he's got it.
It's vim, and he's filled to the brim with it.
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He needs to learn to relax abit thats something they need to work on. Can see him getting a silly red when someone winds him up
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He needs to learn to relax abit thats something they need to work on. Can see him getting a silly red when someone winds him up
Mate, that's like telling Sampson he needs to cut his hair.
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Took him 20 minutes to get a touch, poor bastard. No wonder he dived-in with that brilliant tackle on the edge of Wolves' box to finally get contact on the fucking thing and then made a great lay-off to whoever it was who got a shot off.
I'm still marvelled about how fast he was back on his feet after sliding in on that tackle. But he also had contact with the ball on the run in for the first goal as between him and Zani, they bullied the Wolves midfielders off the ball on the near touchline.
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He reminds me a little of Balotelli. Quite brilliant and quite mad. Young Balotelli was quite outstanding at times but got into trouble far too often. Duran has a long way to go in his career. Hopefully he maximizes the talent he clearly has and adds to it along with greater consistency and self awareness.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't start v Man City as much as he could start as he's not the only option, because it all rests on Emery's tactics as much as confidence in having an inexperienced , temperamental but brilliant striker occupying their defence. Zaniolo, Rogers, and Diaby might all be ahead of him in the Watkins position and would suit the game plan of counter attack and transition. It's two of the four plus Bailey. If Bailey does not start while the other four do, I am not pleased.
Duran is a loose cannon and he can be absolutely fantastic but utter basic and a liability.
I'm not sure if such chaos is good for a match and Emery would want safety not disruption away at the Etihad.
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I agree Footy, think he might start with Diaby up front, with Zaniolo just behind.
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I agree Footy, think he might start with Diaby up front, with Zaniolo just behind.
More dynamic pressing duo that. Duran did win the ball with a couple of fun slide-tackles, but obviously Man City will move the ball around with a bit more zip than Wolves.
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We'll probably have to start with either Zaniolo or Duran, and Zaniolo's a bit more of an all round player. Unleash Duran later on their tiring defence when we're 3-0 up.
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I'd still be surprised if Duran doesn't start, he's the go to striker sub when he's been available.
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I'd still be surprised if Duran doesn't start, he's the go to striker sub when he's been available.
Yes, I'd expect him to start. Our bench will be horrendous though, really just Rogers / Zaniolo as attacking cover, depending on which of them starts.
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This would be a very good game for him to come of age and score hat trick.
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It has to be big Jhon really although we might also get a chance to see if Zaniolney can play as a forward, which a few think might suit him.
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Very well taken goal. His goals to minutes ratio must be right up there.
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7 goals so far this season. Not a bad return.
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Very good goal. Worked hard without the ball. And no Yellow Card ! Maturing ?
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Thought he did ok. Took his goal really well.
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Fletcher said he had 1 goal in 19 appearances prior to last night. I know when he plays it's usually coming on as a sub for 10 minutes or so but that still didn't sound right?
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Fletcher said he had 1 goal in 19 appearances prior to last night. I know when he plays it's usually coming on as a sub for 10 minutes or so but that still didn't sound right?
It's not. If they're going on all games, last night was his third game since the Ajax goal.
If Premier League only, it was his thirteenth since Palace.
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God knows where Fletcher got his stats from but he has only included domestic competitions (17 prem, 1 FA, 1EFL) and even that was wrong as he had two goals in the prem before last night (Everton and Palace).
However he has only played 331 minutes in the prem. But has played 347mins in the Conference League proper and has two.
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Cheers, I thought it sounded way too many.
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That was a nice & composed finish last night.
Good to see he has that in his locker as well as a thunder-bastard...
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Last night was important for him, I think. He's done well in his cameos with his goals-to-minute ratio, but when he has started in the Prem he hasn't looked as good and has been hooked at half time.
So last night, to start, get the goal (a good goal, too), shows he's getting there.
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Last night was important for him, I think. He's done well in his cameos with his goals-to-minute ratio, but when he has started in the Prem he hasn't looked as good and has been hooked at half time.
So last night, to start, get the goal (a good goal, too), shows he's getting there.
Started the game well, but felt Dias began to physically dominate him as the game went on, to the point he was ending up on the floor every time the ball went up to him.
Probably still suited to short cameos for the time being.
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A bit harsh. Dias and Gvardiol did marshall him well and physically he was second-best, but he still managed to pwn Dias for the goal plus he won't be coming up against defenders as good as that every game.
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He did well for a 20 year old making his second PL start. Him and Rogers are both looking good.
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I thought he was excellent first half and managed to get hold of the ball and lay off to team mates quite often in addition to an excellent goal. Against last seasons treble winners no less.
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He did well for a 20 year old making his second PL start. Him and Rogers are both looking good.
Yep you can tell that him and Rogers once they edges are smoothed a bit will be real quality.
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He’s definitely got something about him. I’m convinced we’ve got a v good player on our hands. He needs more time on the pitch to get his fitness levels up.
It wouldn’t worry me to see him starting on Saturday.
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He’s definitely got something about him. I’m convinced we’ve got a v good player on our hands. He needs more time on the pitch to get his fitness levels up.
It wouldn’t worry me to see him starting on Saturday.
I can see him starting on Saturday. Ollie has to suffer the striker curse when you have an opportunity to hit the 20 league goals in a season.
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A bit harsh. Dias and Gvardiol did marshall him well and physically he was second-best, but he still managed to pwn Dias for the goal plus he won't be coming up against defenders as good as that every game.
I accept that it might have been that he tired (which is totally understandable) and that Dias was seemingly given the green light by the ref to man handle him to the ground any time the ball went near him as the game went on.
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He’s definitely got something about him. I’m convinced we’ve got a v good player on our hands. He needs more time on the pitch to get his fitness levels up.
It wouldn’t worry me to see him starting on Saturday.
I can see him starting on Saturday. Ollie has to suffer the striker curse when you have an opportunity to hit the 20 league goals in a season.
It wouldn’t surprise me. Emery said it was a small injury but with our record that could mean a few weeks out or a few months.
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7 goals so far this season. Not a bad return.
I count 6. Still decent though.
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It is 6. 3 in the league and 3 in Europe.
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When having one Colombian called Jhon just isn't enough. https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1775942529306751159
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He’s good with the ball behind the defence or in space. His decision making under pressure and first touch need some work. Took the goal well and some positive signs though.
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When having one Colombian called Jhon just isn't enough. https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1775942529306751159
Jhon Edwin Montańo, 17-year-old Colombian winger, was invited by Aston Villa to train for two weeks.
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New car required for the lad: https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1778414866903998838
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That is on Holloway Head. Looking at all the fluids apparently leaking out of the van parked up on the right, and that it doesn't appear Duran's car has moved, it makes me think the van might have been zooming up on the wrong side of the road. If I was in the office today, I would have walked down to check it out.
Edit: The van is currently parked across the some of the exit from the Mailbox (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4737036,-1.9034952,3a,75y,286.39h,76.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-e-o21I-2dvfpbezgX_bSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) which probably explains it more. The van decided to go up the wrong side of the road to beat the traffic and Duran pulled onto the road?
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Saw that earlier, one comment said something like "I hope that's not blood from a cyclist". Not even Ross McCormack is going to put a dent in a bumper like that!
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T-cut out that.
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Selfish i know, but I wonder whether he’ll be too shook up to be involved tonight
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Hopefully he is ok...
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He’s having a bad few weeks. He was thrown out of his rental property in Shenstone recently. Car less and homeless.
Hope he takes it out on Lille
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(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2022/s1iEa6.gif)
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He’s having a bad few weeks. He was thrown out of his rental property in Shenstone recently. Car less and homeless.
Hope he takes it out on Lille
Probably explains why he was over near the mailbox trying to get to the Clayton. If he did come out of that road and hit the van, it is one way the wrong way.
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Considering he started against Man City away I think he may start again v Arsenal
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Considering he started against Man City away I think he may start again v Arsenal
Watkins, Duran, Bailey and Rogers? or Watkins plus 2? with McGinn, Tielemens in midfield?
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Considering he started against Man City away I think he may start again v Arsenal
Watkins, Duran, Bailey and Rogers? or Watkins plus 2? with McGinn, Tielemens in midfield?
Wouldn't be surprised to see the old Matty cash in midfield wing back trick in a type of 3 -5-2 system.
Cash , Konsa , Carlos, Pau, Moreno
McGinn Tielemans and Iroegbunam as the 3 in the middle
Watkins and Duran up front.