Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on January 08, 2023, 11:50:39 PM
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WARNING: Contains scenes of a graphic and distressing nature.
https://thebirminghampress.com/2023/01/aston-villa-and-mark-the-date/
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It’s been around two decades since Premier League clubs started putting out weakened sides in cup matches and in all that time I can think of hardly a single occasion when I’ve come away from the game thinking that some young lad has shown promise
Archer at Carlisle and at Chelsea?
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This is too bleak to handle.
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We didn’t play any young lads today which made the loss all the more galling. We played experienced professionals many of whom are internationals. Two that just came back from the World Cup.
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Very eloquent and to the point, Dave, but I didn't like referring to the opposition as "this shower".
They were well organised, and executed their game plan. I don't think we had a game plan.
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Very eloquent and to the point, Dave, but I didn't like referring to the opposition as "this shower".
They were well organised, and executed their game plan. I don't think we had a game plan.
I meant the Villa.
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Very eloquent and to the point, Dave, but I didn't like referring to the opposition as "this shower".
They were well organised, and executed their game plan. I don't think we had a game plan.
I meant the Villa.
Very kind of you to use that term when so many more came to mind
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Our fans seemed subdued today, what was that about? Was everybody complacent- it was such a strange day.
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I'm guessing a combination of a crap kick off time, relatively smallish crowd, waiting for a game to ignite that you should be winning easily.
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I think there is a disconnect between what the fans think of the cup competitions and what the players and managers do. Going out of the cups really hurts us as fans, but question if they really feel the same. For them it's probably just a shrug of the shoulders and a quick look online at getting away to Dubai for a few days on 4th round weekend.
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I'm guessing a combination of a crap kick off time, relatively smallish crowd, waiting for a game to ignite that you should be winning easily.
All true.
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I'm guessing a combination of a crap kick off time, relatively smallish crowd, waiting for a game to ignite that you should be winning easily.
Was in the North Stand Lower and didn't see too many empty seats. Some corporate ones in the Trinity, a little pocket in upper Trinity and the same in the Doug Ellis. Couldn't see the North Stand, but the rest of the ground looked full. Certainly didn't look like there were nearly 10,000 empty seats.
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I'm guessing a combination of a crap kick off time, relatively smallish crowd, waiting for a game to ignite that you should be winning easily.
Was in the North Stand Lower and didn't see too many empty seats. Some corporate ones in the Trinity, a little pocket in upper Trinity and the same in the Doug Ellis. Couldn't see the North Stand, but the rest of the ground looked full. Certainly didn't look like there were nearly 10,000 empty seats.
We were saying that it was quiet. The attendance was great.
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Very eloquent and to the point, Dave, but I didn't like referring to the opposition as "this shower".
They were well organised, and executed their game plan. I don't think we had a game plan.
I meant the Villa.
Apologies.
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I'm guessing a combination of a crap kick off time, relatively smallish crowd, waiting for a game to ignite that you should be winning easily.
Was in the North Stand Lower and didn't see too many empty seats. Some corporate ones in the Trinity, a little pocket in upper Trinity and the same in the Doug Ellis. Couldn't see the North Stand, but the rest of the ground looked full. Certainly didn't look like there were nearly 10,000 empty seats.
We were saying that it was quiet. The attendance was great.
Risso referred to a "relatively smallish crowd" and I saw the attendance quoted as 32,000 in one report.
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Attendance was given as Attendance: 32,343. Which either means a fair number of ST holders didn't take up their free ticket or not many non ST holders bought tickets as that attendance is lower than the away support plus our ST holders.
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Attendance was given as Attendance: 32,343. Which either means a fair number of ST holders didn't take up their free ticket or not many non ST holders bought tickets as that attendance is lower than the away support plus our ST holders.
The crowd looked much bigger than that PWS. Couldn't see the rest of the North Stand, but the other stands all looked pretty full.
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Top of the upper North looked like a lot of empty seats on the telly but that was in second half, not sure how late on in game it was.
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I agree, I think this is the most humiliating result I can remember, even worse than Bradford.
There are players that I never want to see in a Villa shirt after this.
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I agree, I think this is the most humiliating result I can remember, even worse than Bradford.
There are players that I never want to see in a Villa shirt after this.
Oh they'll grovel on Instagram and be back on Friday. They were fucking hopeless last night. Twats
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It’s been around two decades since Premier League clubs started putting out weakened sides in cup matches
In changing the culture at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger did a lot of good when it came to changing the wholesale professionalism of English football. However, I also blame him for the whole concept of playing the second string in the cup competitions.
The stupidity in others following this has been to the actual benefit of the top clubs with a never ending rotation of Mancheter United/City, Arsenal or Chelsea in the F.A. Cup finals. With the exception of Portsmouth and Wigan, it's a rarity for a mid-ranking or small town club to have an open-top bus parade. Half a century ago, every club in the top (and indeed second) division would start January with hopes and dreams. Now most just chuck in the towel.
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It’s been around two decades since Premier League clubs started putting out weakened sides in cup matches
In changing the culture at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger did a lot of good when it came to changing the wholesale professionalism of English football. However, I also blame him for the whole concept of playing the second string in the cup competitions.
The stupidity in others following this has been to the actual benefit of the top clubs with a never ending rotation of Mancheter United/City, Arsenal or Chelsea in the F.A. Cup finals. With the exception of Portsmouth and Wigan, it's a rarity for a mid-ranking or small town club to have an open-top bus parade. Half a century ago, every club in the top (and indeed second) division would start January with hopes and dreams. Now most just chuck in the towel.
Honestly can't understand why any manager or player would have a shot at a piece of silverware and think "nah, that's not for me". But the team selection and effort of the players yesterday suggested both were true.
It's fair enough playing that squad if you're having an unexpectedly good run in the league, or trying to fight a relegation battle. But we're going to finish mid table this season, there's no reason not to take the cups seriously.
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The size of the squads teams have, with the overally quality in them that's the issue and why managers want to play a second string. All the Premier League clubs have a shit ton of internationals etc. It's not like days of old where you win the league using 14 players. There are 20 of them in a kit ready to play ffs.
We played a second string, who should have been good enough, against a first team in good form. They sat in, didn't panic and we went through the training ground exercise of playing a team with 10 men behind the ball.
The squad players know that's what they are, and that they won't get another run out for a bit. Wankers.
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It’s been around two decades since Premier League clubs started putting out weakened sides in cup matches
In changing the culture at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger did a lot of good when it came to changing the wholesale professionalism of English football. However, I also blame him for the whole concept of playing the second string in the cup competitions.
The stupidity in others following this has been to the actual benefit of the top clubs with a never ending rotation of Mancheter United/City, Arsenal or Chelsea in the F.A. Cup finals. With the exception of Portsmouth and Wigan, it's a rarity for a mid-ranking or small town club to have an open-top bus parade. Half a century ago, every club in the top (and indeed second) division would start January with hopes and dreams. Now most just chuck in the towel.
You can sort of understand it when the big teams are chasing the league and playing in Europe. We're just loitering in midtable, not likely to go down and very unlikely to challenge for the European places.
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If we don't announce a full strength team in next year's 3rd round I refuse to watch, that simple. I don't care if other clubs do it - we don't have to. Why do keepers need a rest? If Emi plays he probably doesn't play that pass to Dendoncker and he 95% saves the second. If Mings plays he organises the defence and we put a man on Campbell at the corner, and we're in the 4th round, and there are FIVE days to recover for Leeds, only 1 or 2 days less than any other weekend. GRRRRRR...
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An excellent and pin sharp summary of a truly shameful performance. I can only add that the team did not get the vocal condemnation from the crowd it absolutely deserved. I have seen and heard better games than that when you could hear the Villa Park crowd's verdict from the city centre. We booed louder when Alex McLeish was punching the air at full time for a 0-0 draw.
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It’s been around two decades since Premier League clubs started putting out weakened sides in cup matches and in all that time I can think of hardly a single occasion when I’ve come away from the game thinking that some young lad has shown promise
Archer at Carlisle and at Chelsea?
Archer against Barrow and Chelsea.
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I'm struggling to think of any of the Villa starting 11 who aren't current or former internationals for their respective nations?
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Spot on Dave.
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Spot on Dave.
Thanks Daz.
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I'm guessing a combination of a crap kick off time, relatively smallish crowd, waiting for a game to ignite that you should be winning easily.
I also got rained on.
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Eight successive FA Cup defeats is an embarrassing record for a club that had won the competition more times than anyone when I was growing up singing “7 times we’ve won it no-one else can catch us up!”
Eight pissing defeats - our last five managers haven’t so much as earned a replay between them!
We were unlucky to lose at Old Trafford last year but other than that the only time we sent out 11 players who had a real go at the job in hand was the youth team v Liverpool.
If the owners aren’t furious over this record and well and truly embarrassed by the fact we haven’t won a game in their reign, then we may as well not bother entering again because they clearly don’t care about the part this competition plays in our history.
I make it 14 third round exits since 2002! Thank you Tim Sherwood for at least giving the younger generation a taste of what a cup run is like.
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I'm starting to think the Birmingham Senior Cup is where we should be looking for some success.
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We should put yesterday's team out against Tividale in the next round.
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Or do a shift in a food kiosk in the Trinity.
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Or do a shift in a food kiosk in the Trinity.
And you think the service is slow now!
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They would stand behind the counter and pass the food and drink to each other sideways.
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Or do a shift in a food kiosk in the Trinity.
They'd just pass the food/drinks to each other for 5 minutes rather than quickly getting it forward to the person that wanted it.
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Or do a shift in a food kiosk in the Trinity.
They'd just pass the food/drinks to each other for 5 minutes rather than quickly getting it forward to the person that wanted it.
But then Coutinho would launch it into the upper stands of the Holte, which could work.
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Or do a shift in a food kiosk in the Trinity.
They'd just pass the food/drinks to each other for 5 minutes rather than quickly getting it forward to the person that wanted it.
But then Coutinho would launch it into the upper stands of the Holte, which could work.
Then Bailey would spill a drink all over the counter and run to the toilets crying.
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Or do a shift in a food kiosk in the Trinity.
They'd just pass the food/drinks to each other for 5 minutes rather than quickly getting it forward to the person that wanted it.
But then Coutinho would launch it into the upper stands of the Holte, which could work.
Then Bailey would spill a drink all over the counter and run to the toilets crying.
Nah, Bailey would constantly bump into his colleagues and never reach his destination, before running to the toilets crying
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They’d be by the back of the queues with no urgency asking to each person individually “Did you order curry & chips?”
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Asking “what’s a chips?”
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At least Dave's last line raised a smile. Smile might be over stretching it but you know what I mean.
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It’s been around two decades since Premier League clubs started putting out weakened sides in cup matches and in all that time I can think of hardly a single occasion when I’ve come away from the game thinking that some young lad has shown promise
Archer at Carlisle and at Chelsea?
Archer against Barrow and Chelsea.
Right you are