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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on October 29, 2022, 05:02:47 PM
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Pick the bones out of that one!
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I hope Urai Emery still shows up for the press conference on Tuesday
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6 subs. Replay please.
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Unai Emery has some organising to do at the very least.
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That picture of Cameron Archer at the end summed it all up for me
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Did Danks really move Bailey back to the right? After last week’s success on the left?
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This team temind of Lambert's teams in their ability to turn a drama into a catastrophe. And that they're shit.
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6 subs. Replay please.
Nah, claim the points ;)
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Oh dear 4 0 followed by 0 4, I do believe Emery will make us harder to beat at least. Luckily there are plenty of equally inept teams in the bottom half too.
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Really, really poor. A proper reality check. I'm hoping for a lot of transfer action come january.
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Only positive is that Emery would have watched that and can happily have a long list of players to bin.
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Danks Out. Danks a lot. Armitage Danks. A Dank day in Newcastle. We Dank out this league.
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Fucking dire. Anybody who thinks that we don’t need 3-4 urgent replacements is kidding themselves. Buendia was absolute dog muck today. That’s why he can’t be trusted to start games, at leadt away. Small, slow and sloppy.
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Are Newcastle going to claim a concussion sub?
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Buendia is like Carlos Gil, only way more expensive
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Shameful second half performance which was as bad as anything witnessed over the last decade and more of many terrible performances. They completely gave up and it could have been 6 or 7 in the end.
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Jesus ! Was always going to be a tough game today but the way we folded in the second half is very worrying. Emery has got a massive job on his hands.
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Are Newcastle going to claim a concussion sub?
They can because we made one.
Anyway standard performance from us up there.
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So some people* are saying that as we made a concussion sub, it means Newcastle get an extra sub.
*Including Luke above
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6 subs. Replay please.
No thanks, it was bad enough once.
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6 subs. Replay please.
They get an extra sub because we used a concussion sub for Martinez
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First half was decent, lots of Emery to like from first 40 minutes in how solid we look.
Second half was a complete p*** take so less said about that the better and shows why we're barely above bottom three. Newcastle already being 12 points ahead of us pretty much shows what can happen when you waste 12 months in football on the wrong manager.
Ollie really should be joining McGinn on the subs bench, fed up of him doing stupid things at key moments.
Interested what forward players Emery picks next week. We certainly need a response in a home league game we never win.
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Buendia was absolute dog muck today. That’s why he can’t be trusted to start games, at leadt away. Small, slow and sloppy.
Admittedly not his best game but have you seen the idiots in front of him. The easiest way to solve the Ings and/or Watkins is to play neither of them. Both were embarrassing to watch today.
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6 subs. Replay please.
They get an extra sub because we used a concussion sub for Martinez
Odd rule, but then again it stops teams being twats.
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That was fucking dreadful.
Useful for Emery to see how utter horse-shit these players can be.
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Buendia was absolute dog muck today. That’s why he can’t be trusted to start games, at leadt away. Small, slow and sloppy.
Admittedly not his best game but have you seen the idiots in front of him. The easiest way to solve the Ings and/or Watkins is to play neither of them. Both were embarrassing to watch today.
Ings was playing? Oh. Him and Watkins desperately poor.
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A bleak fucking day.
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Emery is going to be incredibly good for us when we give him a decent squad.
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Konsa has been useless under any pressure for too long also, Chambers should be starting.
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I must admit that I didn't know about a concussion sub giving the opposition the opportunity to make an extra substitution... but what a stupid rule as today's match proves. Team A loses influential player in a specialist position; Team B can throw on another pair of fresh legs any time they like.
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Buendia was absolute dog muck today. That’s why he can’t be trusted to start games, at leadt away. Small, slow and sloppy.
Admittedly not his best game but have you seen the idiots in front of him. The easiest way to solve the Ings and/or Watkins is to play neither of them. Both were embarrassing to watch today.
Ings was playing? Oh. Him and Watkins desperately poor.
they was back to their normal selves today
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I think I could run faster than Watkins
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Emery has got his work cut out but, fortunately, not too many games between now and January. Wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t already have some transfer targets in mind although January is always a tough window. You never know, he may already have watched a few of our matches on video and so could give Archer a start. Can’t do any worse than our current strikers, if you can call them that. However, I am expecting us to turn over Manure next week😂
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That world cup break is going to be a blessing considering our entire squad will be sitting on the sidelines while it goes on. Good chance for Emery to look and assess what he's got and work with these players.
Given what I've read about him, I rather suspect some of this lot won't know what's hit them when he arrives.
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That world cup break is going to be a blessing considering our entire squad will be sitting on the sidelines while it goes on. Good chance for Emery to look and assess what he's got and work with these players.
Given what I've read about him, I rather suspect some of this lot won't know what's hit them when he arrives.
None of them can have any complaints if they're dropped for next week.
No good running to the press and moaning when you put that in second half when game was still in the balance.
Intrigued what team and formation we put out next week as ultimately it's always one of the toughest during a season to get anything so we need to be difficult to break down while also having some sort of counter attack threat.
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I’m glad we hired Urai Emery before this game
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Let’s be honest, if Emery can stop us being relegated this season then it’s job done for now. He would then have the summer window to get rid of our deadwood and bring in some players with a better attitude.
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Our record and performances up there are rancid, we've had 1 shot on target there in the past 2 seasons.
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I want to see technically confident and astute players coming in. Who don’t fucking shit themselves whenever the ball comes close to them.
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This team lacks mental strength more than talent.
Things go against us and we fold.
Emery needs to sort out the mindset. And he will.
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Have our new owners wasted more than Lerner yet?
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Double post
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Watkins!
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Double post.
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Just thankful it was only 4!
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Buendia was absolute dog muck today. That’s why he can’t be trusted to start games, at leadt away. Small, slow and sloppy.
Admittedly not his best game but have you seen the idiots in front of him. The easiest way to solve the Ings and/or Watkins is to play neither of them. Both were embarrassing to watch today.
Ings was playing? Oh. Him and Watkins desperately poor.
Ha! If it wasn't for the old fella trotting towards their keeper when he kicked it up field I'd have forgotten he started the game. Midway through the second half the TV camera showed his face and I was reminded he was still on the pitch. As for 'Ollie and his Amazing Clown Shoes', he may as well be a character out of Viz. Hilarious to watch unless you're a Villa fan.
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Have our new owners wasted more than Lerner yet?
Saving the club from the oblivion isn’t the same as buying RB’s every five minutes
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It's staggering that both Ings and Watkins played the whole game. I do use the term 'played' very loosely.
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Neither long term are good enough as starting PL strikers
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That picture of Cameron Archer at the end summed it all up for me
I've missed most of this shit-show as I've been at work. I take it he looked pissed off at being left on the bench yet again when Ings and Watkins have been next to useless?
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I genuinely don't think that player for player Newcastle are that much better than us, certainly not 12 points and 11 places better. They have spent the past year being far better coached than us and that's the big difference.
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Emery has got his work cut out but, fortunately, not too many games between now and January. Wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t already have some transfer targets in mind although January is always a tough window. You never know, he may already have watched a few of our matches on video and so could give Archer a start. Can’t do any worse than our current strikers, if you can call them that. However, I am expecting us to turn over Manure next week😂
The last line, is where i am, even after todays shit show, i think we’ll beat that shower next week. Completely delusional, but hey.
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I genuinely don't think that player for player Newcastle are that much better than us, certainly not 12 points and 11 places better. They have spent the past year being far better coached than us and that's the big difference.
Spot on. And that's my only comment regarding today's shit show. Roll on Unai Emery and proper coaching.
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Neither long term are good enough as starting PL strikers
and that is where the problems start.
Massive upgrade required.
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Roll on buying better players in January.
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Roll on buying better players in January.
we've been saying that for years :D
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I want to see technically confident and astute players coming in.
Spot on. But it can be coached.
We rarely create space with movement, and on the rare occasion a Villa player is in space, we rarely pass to them. It’s so fucking infuriating to watch.
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2 hours of my life wasted and it's now 1:30am.
Garbage.
Am now having a conversation with a season ticket holding mate on WhatsApp about now shit we are. He thinks McGinn should always start, and I can't say Mings is rubbish because he's 'adored at Villa Park'.
Sigh
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I genuinely don't think that player for player Newcastle are that much better than us, certainly not 12 points and 11 places better. They have spent the past year being far better coached than us and that's the big difference.
I'm not particularly a fan of Eddie Howe, as I think there's an air of Redknapp about him. However, you can't deny he's improved a mediocre Newcastle team.
It's what happens when you coach players as opposed to just telling to look you in the eye and try harder. What a mess we are
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That picture of Cameron Archer at the end summed it all up for me
I've missed most of this shit-show as I've been at work. I take it he looked pissed off at being left on the bench yet again when Ings and Watkins have been next to useless?
They wasnt next to useless last week, which is why they got another go. This Archer obsession is odd. I don't think he would have made much difference at all.
I suggested before the game the same team might have been a bit lightweight with four attackers. We were awful.
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First half was alright I thought but that second half, utter car crash. Before we even think about ability we’ve got a woefully soft underbelly and cannot seem to deal with adversity. We go behind and it’s game over.
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Have our new owners wasted more than Lerner yet?
Saving the club from the oblivion isn’t the same as buying RB’s every five minutes
I imagine they are very disappointed with the bulk of signings since we got promoted.
Obviously selling Grealish and getting promoted (and staying in the league) probably make it irrelevant.
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Second half performance was abject. Both full backs had a torrid time and with their press especially in the second half Olsen kept going long for their giant centre halves to win it every time and it then comes straight back at you Guimares had the freedom of the park to pick his passes compare that with how our midfield were constantly harried and gave possession away. The problems still stem from a midfield that cannot hold the ball and keep some possession when we are under pressure to help out the back 4. The second half was typified by Coutinho strolling around like he could not give a shit despite the fact we were 4-0 down.
We are so mentally weak when things start going wrong. I think Emery will have a clear out over the next 12 months and not before time and its not all about spending loads of money on ageing players how about Lange unearths some young talent he is supposed to be good at finding rather than paying huge wages on ageing players with no re-sale value.
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Thank fuck it all stops in 3 games time.
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Need Liverpool to beat Leeds later.
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Fucking dire. Anybody who thinks that we don’t need 3-4 urgent replacements is kidding themselves. Buendia was absolute dog muck today. That’s why he can’t be trusted to start games, at leadt away. Small, slow and sloppy.
He was injured though, and should have come off. Newcastle fans booing him every time he got the ball for the temerity of getting injured was horrible, shame on them.
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I genuinely don't think that player for player Newcastle are that much better than us, certainly not 12 points and 11 places better. They have spent the past year being far better coached than us and that's the big difference.
Absolutely agree. He’s done a great job there.
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They have got better players though. Wilson is miles better than Watkins, it’s only injuries that have held him back. Almiron is much better than Bailey as well.
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Newcastle looked fitter and more aggressive than us.
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That picture of Cameron Archer at the end summed it all up for me
I've missed most of this shit-show as I've been at work. I take it he looked pissed off at being left on the bench yet again when Ings and Watkins have been next to useless?
They wasnt next to useless last week, which is why they got another go. This Archer obsession is odd. I don't think he would have made much difference at all.
I suggested before the game the same team might have been a bit lightweight with four attackers. We were awful.
As I said I missed most of it due to work. I don't consider it obsessive to question why he did not get some game time at the end when according to posts made on the match thread Ings and Watkins were out of sorts.
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Danks said pre-match that we would be the underdogs at Newcastle and would have to adapt from the Brentford match accordingly. I expected a 4-5-1 formation with us crowding out midfield.
He didn't tweak anything!!
We were fine first half. Our midfield tired in the second half with Ings and Watkins contributing feck all.
If it's not broke don't fix it is fine for home matches, but away, a bit more 'cop on' is required. Thankfully, I think Emery might have that 'cop on'. >:(
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Almiron was a laughing stock the first few years, same as Joelinton. Now look at them with better coaching.
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Other than Martinez, everyone else's place is up for grabs.
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We weren't world beaters last week and we're not dead beats this week.
I'd rather that result with a new Manager coming in than Gerrard still scowling on the touchline.
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History repeats itself with the interim manager. Great 1st match, hammered by Newcastle in the 2nd. Why do these things have to be so depressingly predictable.
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They appear to have found the secret sauce of executing a strategy to improve their club to the level they aspire to in 12 months. We on the other hand appear to find that concept nigh on impossible.
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Almiron was a laughing stock the first few years, same as Joelinton. Now look at them with better coaching.
can’t remember the last player we improved.
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Almiron was a laughing stock the first few years, same as Joelinton. Now look at them with better coaching.
can’t remember the last player we improved.
Traore by letting him go.
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Buendia had a nightmare today. Really poor performance all round.
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Konsa’s composure is absolutely shocking.
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We contained Newcastle first half when we had Martinez in goal. I thought we had a good organisation and solid performance in the first half. It was a disappointment to lose a penalty and by full time 4-0 scoreline.
In fact, it was somewhat disastrous. And it was unacceptable to me that the players failed to get a single shot on goal, which is not acceptable in competitive football match.
Perhaps I'm being stern as Buendia, who was very busy in the first half, had several chances to score but was just about stopped before he could score. I think that happened like 2 or 3 times.
It was frustrating how Wilson was able to score his second goal because say Ings had such a chance, he too, would have also scored. But we lacked a defensive line of substance in that second half and little thrust in attack.
No shots on target, not even a corner.
Penalty decisions goes against us, Almiron worldies scored and Martinez getting injured- didn't make any luck today.
Danks but no Danks.
Over to Emery.
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Almiron was a laughing stock the first few years, same as Joelinton. Now look at them with better coaching.
can’t remember the last player we improved.
Traore by letting him go.
Adama?
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Konsa’s composure is absolutely shocking.
He was really bad. When your final third and defensive third are absolute shit for 45 minutes, you are going to lose.
No matter what happens or where Newcastle end up, they are still owned by Saudi scum. Sold your blood for oil, fuck em.
Emery arrives on Tuesday, chin up.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12733392/newcastle-4-0-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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I think the only players I’d be upset about losing would be Martinez & Cash
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I really don't get why Chambers is continually benched? Surely better than Konsa! And, Nakamba - not even on the bench today??
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I really don't get why Chambers is continually benched? Surely better than Konsa! And, Nakamba - not even on the bench today??
Hopefully a clean slate. Some players alienated now might fit what Emery wants to do. I don’t think Nakamba and Sanson could have been much worse than McGinn this season
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Newcastle looked fitter and more aggressive than us.
Newcastle look like they have had consistency in their coaching and believe in what they are being asked to do. We appointed a coach to replace Dean Smith and he essentially tried to change too much while fucking everyone off in the process. It’s a recipe for the meal we all got served today
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Thank god a new era starts next week
That second half was as bad as it gets
With the exception of Mings and Young everyone else should be ashamed
I do not think we got into their area in the second half
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They have got better players though. Wilson is miles better than Watkins, it’s only injuries that have held him back. Almiron is much better than Bailey as well.
Don’t agree, we just need a good coach. On paper we have much the better players
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Newcastle looked fitter and more aggressive than us.
Newcastle look like they have had consistency in their coaching and believe in what they are being asked to do. We appointed a coach to replace Dean Smith and he essentially tried to change too much while fucking everyone off in the process. It’s a recipe for the meal we all got served today
Yes TV it’s just this. I even suspect the players are crying out for leadership
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Callum Wilson is not miles better than Watkins, that's just angry rubbish.
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I think the only players I’d be upset about losing would be Martinez & Cash
Thought Cash was rubbish today and has been all season.
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Cash was indeed shit today. He was in good company mind.
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Newcastle looked fitter and more aggressive than us.
Newcastle look like they have had consistency in their coaching and believe in what they are being asked to do. We appointed a coach to replace Dean Smith and he essentially tried to change too much while fucking everyone off in the process. It’s a recipe for the meal we all got served today
Traveling around Australia, France, and Bournemouth doesn't help.
Preseason was a curse for me and these players are fatigued off back of it all.
Brilliant results on tour, but it's no surprise after all the pre season getaway and being so far from England and all the travel. Did you know Villa did most air miles during pre season. For Newcastle we travel a long distance again and lose. This also occurred in Bournemouth.
I see that as distinctly telling.
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Traveling around Australia, France, and Bournemouth doesn't help.
Preseason was a curse for me and these players are fatigued off back of it all.
Brilliant results on tour, but it's no surprise after all the pre season getaway and being so far from England and all the travel. Did you know Villa did most air miles during pre season. For Newcastle we travel a long distance again and lose. This also occurred in Bournemouth.
I see that as distinctly telling.
I hope they signed up for the relevant Frequent Flyer programmes.
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The club Air Miles account must be thriving.
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Traveling around Australia, France, and Bournemouth doesn't help.
Preseason was a curse for me and these players are fatigued off back of it all.
Brilliant results on tour, but it's no surprise after all the pre season getaway and being so far from England and all the travel. Did you know Villa did most air miles during pre season. For Newcastle we travel a long distance again and lose. This also occurred in Bournemouth.
I see that as distinctly telling.
I hope they signed up for the relevant Frequent Flyer programmes.
Yeah it was either Danny or Tyrone that missed the plane once.
They were flying without Mings/Ings
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Callum Wilson is not miles better than Watkins, that's just angry rubbish.
He’s got as many goals as Watkins in the last two and a bit seasons in just over half the games. His all round game is much better than Watkins.
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Wilson is a very good striker when fit and is better than Watkins, Almiron spent over 3 years being shit.
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Callum Wilson is not miles better than Watkins, that's just angry rubbish.
He’s got as many goals as Watkins in the last two and a bit seasons in just over half the games. His all round game is much better than Watkins.
Ask Tom Hanks who he like to be stuck on an island with.
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I think the only players I’d be upset about losing would be Martinez & Cash
Thought Cash was rubbish today and has been all season.
Yes. Disappointingly, this is true. In particular, most of his crossing is a complete waste of time.
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Newcastle looked fitter and more aggressive than us.
Newcastle look like they have had consistency in their coaching and believe in what they are being asked to do. We appointed a coach to replace Dean Smith and he essentially tried to change too much while fucking everyone off in the process. It’s a recipe for the meal we all got served today
Traveling around Australia, France, and Bournemouth doesn't help.
Preseason was a curse for me and these players are fatigued off back of it all.
Brilliant results on tour, but it's no surprise after all the pre season getaway and being so far from England and all the travel. Did you know Villa did most air miles during pre season. For Newcastle we travel a long distance again and lose. This also occurred in Bournemouth.
I see that as distinctly telling.
That’s bollocks. All of the top 6 teams regularly do multiple pre season tours in all corners of the world - it’s a standard part of being a Premier League footballer over the summer at this point. Absolutely no excuse for tiring us out. We’ve had multiple international breaks to reset us too.
As multiple posters have said, they have a relatively equal squad to us in terms of raw ability, but have had 12 months of vastly superior coaching to us - so look far better. It’s not rocket science. If anything, what Howe has done with this Newcastle team shows what might be possible with Emery. They haven’t spend hundreds of millions of pounds at all.
Most of our international players either being injured or losing their places is a blessing. Emery will be able to work with 90% of the squad throughout the 6 week break.
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I think the only players I’d be upset about losing would be Martinez & Cash
Thought Cash was rubbish today and has been all season.
And quite often last season.
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Callum Wilson is not miles better than Watkins, that's just angry rubbish.
I don't think it is much of an exaggeration.
Watkins is shite.
I don't care if he runs around a lot, he's a striker with a first touch that seems to involve some sort of random number generator to decide in which direction the ball will go.
He's absolutely nothing like good enough for this level. Wilson clearly is and has shown it over several seasons.
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Down to the coaching again, first half Young was all at sea but no structural change, Ings was missing all game and should have been replaced at the break but he stayed on the pitch all game, why? Buendia is too easily knocked off the ball, in fact all of our forwards were just not aggressive enough. When we went one down the game was over, but the way we just gave up says a lot about the players.
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Agree with Robbo
Let the new games begin
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Ings staying on the whole game was bonkers. Defensively, 1 foul and 1 clearance. Offense, 0 shots, offside twice, fouled twice, tackled twice, 8 passes. In fairness, Watkins didn't do much better.
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It was tough for Danks. After last weeks game it would have been hard to drop anyone, but we probably should have tweaked it today and maybe not had Bailey, Buendia, Ings and Watkins all starting away from home against such an inform and physical side.
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We have some underlying issues that need resolving. Some players are not good enough and others have lost confidence and belief. Still the new manager starts next week and it might get worse before better. But Emery has a superb reputation so I’m just looking long term now. Newcastle just last season were where are and look at them now. Players like Almiron who many laughed at are playing at a level nobody thought he was capable of. Who’d have swapped him for Buendia or Coutinho last season? It can be that quick with good coaching and belief. We’ve not had either for a while now.
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I've not seen it yet, I went to the Rugby League.
I feared it would happen, and of course, it did.
We've got a World Class coach starting in 3 days and in 12 months we'll look very, very different. Whether that's formation, style, or players (or all of the above), it will be different.
They appointed a decent coach who has given players belief anf improved them. We recruited an incompetent who's made us worse.
Onwards.
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Im guilty of a bit of sentimentality with some if the players that got us up, kept us up and finished 11th a couple of years ago.
But although good coaching will improve a lot of these lads, some of them will need to be phased out and moved on by Emery over the next year or two. The best managers always know when to change players. McGinn, Mings, Konsa, Watkins, Ings are some of those. No team can have a really high turnover of lots of players in one go, so this is going to take time and two or three windows. In the meantime i really believe with his track record Emery can make us far more competitive and hopefully this can start next Sunday.
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The only positive in my view is that Emery will have seen a clear pattern from the last two games. Time and again we have seen a very good performance directly followed by an abject display.
This could be down to a whole range of issues, but I am fairly confident he will sort it out.
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I wouldn’t read too much into Buendia’s display. He had a really ropey day, but generally he’s been really good and I wouldn’t be too worried about him.
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it will be good to see how these players are with a decent coach - most of these lot we've got haven't had one since being at Villa
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
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0 shots on target and 0 corners 😔
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
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Newcastle looked fitter and more aggressive than us.
Thought the same, eventually they just physically overpowered us and pretty much every one of our players raised the white flag.
Shocking performance, eerily reminscent of that game under Kevin McDonald. Reality check.
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It took Howe less than a year to turn Newcastle from bottom of the league to top 4 challengers.
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It took Howe less than a year to turn Newcastle from bottom of the league to top 4 challengers.
and their team on paper doesn't actually look that good.
Howe has coached them well.
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I said on the pre match thread that Archer should have started. One good game in the previous 60 odd under two different coaching teams won’t change the fact that several of the squad lack real quality and are at their limit. Hopefully Emery has been promised a healthy budget because he’s got a right job on and it starts now
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
This as well, Purslow signed off on them so again all at his feet.
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
Since he went think we have made very few good choices. Hopefully the new manager represents a new chapter
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I wouldn’t read too much into Buendia’s display. He had a really ropey day, but generally he’s been really good and I wouldn’t be too worried about him.
I didn't watch the game but someone who did, felt that he had been tasked with tracking Bruno Guimarães which might explain why he was off his game today.
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
This as well, Purslow signed off on them so again all at his feet.
Personally I think Gerrard’s appointment has been far bigger of the mistakes.
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
No doubt, a complete and total fuck up.
All of our problems go back to the fucking around at the Lensbury club and the frittering away of a £100 million.
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Newcastle are a solid premier league team, with solid players. They are organised by a decent manager, who has done really well since he went there (despite some what disappointingly avoiding answering questions about the owners).
Today they were better organised and more aggressive.
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It took Howe less than a year to turn Newcastle from bottom of the league to top 4 challengers.
and their team on paper doesn't actually look that good.
Howe has coached them well.
He has and Bruno Guimares is an incredible signing. He runs their midfield and is a top player.
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It took Howe less than a year to turn Newcastle from bottom of the league to top 4 challengers.
and their team on paper doesn't actually look that good.
Howe has coached them well.
He has and Bruno Guimares is an incredible signing. He runs their midfield and is a top player.
And if he joined us in the summer he would be like Robbie Savage
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It took Howe less than a year to turn Newcastle from bottom of the league to top 4 challengers.
and their team on paper doesn't actually look that good.
Howe has coached them well.
He has and Bruno Guimares is an incredible signing. He runs their midfield and is a top player.
Eight of that team that started today for Newcastle played there under Bruce, I think that highlights what a great job Howe has done in a year.
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There wasn’t much between the two teams in the first half but in the second we didn’t really compete at all. It looked as though Danks tried to change things after going behind nothing worked and we just looked stretched. I also didn’t get why half way through the first half we switched Bailey back to the right where he’s far less effective.
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Newcastle are a solid premier league team, with solid players. They are organised by a decent manager, who has done really well since he went there (despite some what disappointingly avoiding answering questions about the owners).
Today they were better organised and more aggressive.
Wasn’t much in the first half between the two sides, but we just capitulated in the second half. They had caused us problems in wide areas in the first half, but were just going straight through us in the second period.
Don’t know if they just took their foot off the gas as it was the last game for Danks, but you would have thought they might have wanted to impress the incoming manager. That second half performance was unacceptable really.
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Callum Wilson is not miles better than Watkins, that's just angry rubbish.
It isn't, it's a fact
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Watkins can barely run with a football, invariably has his shot too late and is blocked or falls on his arse and gives the ball away. He's a championship player
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We are a disorganised rabble who give up far too easily when the chips are down. This tells me that the players are not proud enough of their shirt and don't work hard enough on the pitch, therefore a lack of leadership all round. You can see it in the way that we play. Too tentative, easy to push aside, out of shape, lacking concentration and disorganised. There isn't one player at Villa that I look forward to watching as they are just too inconsistent. Emery needs to smash it up and start again. Other than Emi Martinez, I would be quite happy to see what we can get for any of the rest. Other than JJ as I want to see him progressed.
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Callum Wilson is not miles better than Watkins, that's just angry rubbish.
It isn't, it's a fact
I know which one I'd rather have as my number 9 and it isn't Ollie Watkins.
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Wilson is head and shoulders above Watkins.
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Family day meant completely missed the game.
Sounds like did okay first half and then fell apart in the second.
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There wasn’t much between the two teams in the first half but in the second we didn’t really compete at all. It looked as though Danks tried to change things after going behind nothing worked and we just looked stretched. I also didn’t get why half way through the first half we switched Bailey back to the right where he’s far less effective.
Because Cash is shite and needed help?
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
No doubt, a complete and total fuck up.
All of our problems go back to the fucking around at the Lensbury club and the frittering away of a £100 million.
And yet those 3 players have started the grand total of 2 games together. Last Sunday and today.
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Started with Grealish. Exacerbated by Gerrard. Hopefully resolved by Emery.
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
No doubt, a complete and total fuck up.
All of our problems go back to the fucking around at the Lensbury club and the frittering away of a £100 million.
And yet those 3 players have started the grand total of 2 games together. Last Sunday and today.
Because they're mostly not very good.
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Newcastle were fitter and faster to everything. They were also playing with much more confidence than us and it made a big difference. We were back to our ponderous, laboured best.
We go again.
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Thanks Christian Purslow, your sad vanity project has undoubtedly set the club back years.
8th highest paid squad in the league. Absolute wank.
I still think the money wasted when we sold Grealish is the biggest issue. Absolute criminal use of £100m.
No doubt, a complete and total fuck up.
All of our problems go back to the fucking around at the Lensbury club and the frittering away of a £100 million.
And yet those 3 players have started the grand total of 2 games together. Last Sunday and today.
Because they're mostly not very good.
I think Gerrard not having a clue about his best team, best formation or what tactics to successfully employ, after a year in the job, has also had something to do with it.
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Just a little.
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There wasn’t much between the two teams in the first half but in the second we didn’t really compete at all. It looked as though Danks tried to change things after going behind nothing worked and we just looked stretched. I also didn’t get why half way through the first half we switched Bailey back to the right where he’s far less effective.
Because Cash is shite and needed help?
Yet it was Young who they appeared to be targeting so seems an unlikely explanation.
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Left at 6.30AM home at 11.15PM. Thought we more than matched Newcastle first half. Just the final ball. Second half was a disaster. Thank God the new manager has already signed on. That's only 1 point on the road this season. Hopefully we can make ourselves more difficult to play against away from home. Certainly a big job for the new man.
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Confidence and coaching will sort that shambles out.
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There wasn’t much between the two teams in the first half but in the second we didn’t really compete at all. It looked as though Danks tried to change things after going behind nothing worked and we just looked stretched. I also didn’t get why half way through the first half we switched Bailey back to the right where he’s far less effective.
Because Cash is shite and needed help?
Yet it was Young who they appeared to be targeting so seems an unlikely explanation.
Yeah, think it was more likely that they moved Watkins over to help Young out defensively.
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Round and round we go in this rotten era for our club.
When will we ever get our villa back?
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The lack of positional discipline and calm heads does for us. In games like today we get pulled about all over the park; the opposition move the ball about quickly and our players move out of position.
Part of the issue is that those players then don't seem to learn. The question comes down to whether it's the coaching that's awry or the players.
It seems reading the site that we're split along those lines. Either it's the players or the coaching. We'll find out soon enough.
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The lack of positional discipline and calm heads does for us. In games like today we get pulled about all over the park; the opposition move the ball about quickly and our players move out of position.
Part of the issue is that those players then don't seem to learn. The question comes down to whether it's the coaching that's awry or the players.
It seems reading the site that we're split along those lines. Either it's the players or the coaching. We'll find out soon enough.
It's almost certainly going to be a mixture of the two. I'm sure some of the players will respond to Emery. I very much doubt he'll get a tune out of absolutely everybody though, and hopefully we'll make two or three of his own signings in January.
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I'm sure you're right. I think there may be one or two surprises in store for us about players that come good and ones we let go.
I think the players we have are undoubtedly better than our league position suggests, which is where the coaching comes in. However, there are others who won't improve, or will just be replaced by players with a higher ceiling.
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I'm sure you're right. I think there may be one or two surprises in store for us about players that come good and ones we let go.
I think the players we have are undoubtedly better than our league position suggests, which is where the coaching comes in. However, there are others who won't improve, or will just be replaced by players with a higher ceiling.
There are so many questions over just about all of the squad though, it's scary how much work he's got to do. He's got to quickly try to assess the players individually, but then also get them to play consistently well as a team, something which has eluded both Smith and Gerrard.
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Pick the bones out of that one!
I really liked feeling positive about the Villa for a few days. Felt weird though, felt almost like hope, glad to have that feeling crushed again
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Total Blues from the team again, they have no backbone hence why they can't get a result away and why whenever we concede we don't get fuck all from the game. I'm happy to see the back of every single one of them. No body have a winners mentality. Maybe Martinez. Apart from that, rubbish from 1-11.
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I must admit that I didn't know about a concussion sub giving the opposition the opportunity to make an extra substitution... but what a stupid rule as today's match proves. Team A loses influential player in a specialist position; Team B can throw on another pair of fresh legs any time they like.
Yes, it's an absurd rule. Presumably, its purpose is to disincentive rorting, but if the concussion is assessed by a doctor, their professional ethics should suffice.
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I'm sure you're right. I think there may be one or two surprises in store for us about players that come good and ones we let go.
I think the players we have are undoubtedly better than our league position suggests, which is where the coaching comes in. However, there are others who won't improve, or will just be replaced by players with a higher ceiling.
There are so many questions over just about all of the squad though, it's scary how much work he's got to do. He's got to quickly try to assess the players individually, but then also get them to play consistently well as a team, something which has eluded both Smith and Gerrard.
He effectively has a pre-season though which is a god-send in a way. We have bugger-all momentum so a well-timed reset like we had when the pandemic hit, will hopefully pay-off in 2023.
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Fairly even first half with all the stoppages making for a disjointed game.
That second half though.....on dear, as bad as it has been over the last few years.
We were completely overrun and basically gave up.
I'm continually baffled by our non-existent midfield.
The second half was an embarrassment to our club.
I would be okay if some of our players never wore the shirt again, but I know they will have to for the time being.
We can only hope that Emery can sort this out.
What a job he has!
Avoiding relegation must be his first objective.
I will be glad when the World Cup is here and we can reset.
I can't think of any of our players being involved (apart from Cash).
UTV
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Probably Martinez for the World Cup.
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Yeah of course, for Argentina right.
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The writing was on the wall at the end of last season. 11 months of Gerrard's "coaching" and tactics has ruined most of the players. He should've gone at least 6 weeks ago. It was clearly never going to work. Emery has 25 games to sort it out. The World Cup break is so timely to give the manager the chance to work with the players.
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Shame we haven’t got a few fringe players that could go to the World Cup to put themselves in the shop window.
An average player could have a Milan Baros type tournament.
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Total Blues from the team again, they have no backbone hence why they can't get a result away and why whenever we concede we don't get fuck all from the game. I'm happy to see the back of every single one of them. No body have a winners mentality. Maybe Martinez. Apart from that, rubbish from 1-11.
Nothing like a bit of an overreaction. Let’s see what happens when a proper manager has had a chance to work with them. Some will fall by the way side, with new players coming in, but the idea that everyone other than the goalkeeper, who you generously classify as “maybe” a winner, is hopeless isn’t true.
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There wasn’t much between the two teams in the first half but in the second we didn’t really compete at all. It looked as though Danks tried to change things after going behind nothing worked and we just looked stretched. I also didn’t get why half way through the first half we switched Bailey back to the right where he’s far less effective.
Because Cash is shite and needed help?
Yet it was Young who they appeared to be targeting so seems an unlikely explanation.
I’m assuming it was so that Watkins could come to the left and give young more protection as he was getting ripped apart. Didn’t work mind you.
Today was a day to have 3 in the middle I think and try to compete with their physicality while maybe even having JJ wide left and tell him to man mark Trippier but I can understand why he kept the same team, was just probably a little naive.
The teams’ not useless, it’s way below the sum of its parts but it’s not great either and is still too lightweight. Hopefully Emery can get them well organised and slowly change the squad as it’s not an overnight job.
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Unai Unai Emeray
Over the hills with the swords of a thousand men.
Come and save us from ourselves mi amigo
Watkins is so short of confidence that if anyone does trick or treat at his house tomorrow he’ll sh*t himself
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I thought it looked a bit too attacking last week at home to Brentford but was proved wrong. It definitely looked too attacking away to Newcastle, should have been Nakamba in for any one of Buendia Watkins or Ings.
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Let’s hope we get Unai not Dick.
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I don't quite get the rule where the other team get to make an extra sub if the other team have to replace their goalkeeper. What's all that about?
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The number of subs is another thing flushing the spectacle of live football down the pan
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Nothing like a bit of an overreaction. Let’s see what happens when a proper manager has had a chance to work with them. Some will fall by the way side, with new players coming in, but the idea that everyone other than the goalkeeper, who you generously classify as “maybe” a winner, is hopeless isn’t true.
100% agree with this, but that's the world we live in today. Some people were saying give Danks the job last week!
We haven't been coached in a year, and it shows. Just look at Newcastle now, even Almiron looks a world beater but he looked like an expensive flop for a year and a half. Great coaching makes the difference.
I hope Emery gets time and the players we need to coach us into a top half team. Fingers crossed.
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I think it’s fair to say that this squad is clearly massively overrated.
I definitely bought into it but you can’t argue with the fact we are small, slow, make basic errors and don’t take our chances (when we actually create anything).
In short, we’re shit.
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They have got better players though. Wilson is miles better than Watkins, it’s only injuries that have held him back. Almiron is much better than Bailey as well.
Errr…no. About 12 months ago they were both junk. Howe has made them better.
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I think it’s fair to say that this squad is clearly massively overrated.
I definitely bought into it but you can’t argue with the fact we are small, slow, make basic errors and don’t take our chances (when we actually create anything).
In short, we’re shit.
Agreed. How tiresome it is to watch Villa late at night or early in the morning.
I fucking can't stand some of our players, and some have been shite for a few years now. Or at least not up to standard, if we're being polite.
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How many would get into a mid table PL side?
Martinez, Digne, Luiz. Can’t think of many others.
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How many of Newcastle's players would get into Liverpool/Chelsea/Spurs' etc. sides?
Football is a team game about more than individual quality and long may it remain that way.
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Emery hasn't exactly got an easy start, Man United H & A, Brighton A, Liverpool H and Spurs A, not optimistic of us winning any of those.
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Watching the highlights on MotD last night and they didn't show ONE clip of attacking play from us. Usually you get at least a pity segment. We had a couple of nearly moments in the first half, for Chrissakes, give us some hope...
And in their "a word on Villa" analysis, the only focus was on Martínez's concussion issue, nowt about Emery's appointment and the things he'll need to change.
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How many would get into a mid table PL side?
Martinez, Digne, Luiz. Can’t think of many others.
I don't rate Digne at all. He will get a chance now over the next few games.
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I've just watched motd. The most biased coverage I have ever seen. I must of imagined the many chances we had in the first half. As crap as we were second half they didn't show anything positive at all from a Villa perspective. Just a Newcastle wankfest for Shearer to drool over. Totally ignored the very debatable second goal. Not a word. I fucking hate BBC and it's biased agenda.
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I don't know why but we have never been a media darling despite having actual trophies in the cabinet since colour television and an actual beautiful ground throughout our history (not, just, since the early 2000s).
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I don't know why but we have never been a media darling despite having actual trophies in the cabinet since colour television and an actual beautiful ground throughout our history (not, just, since the early 2000s).
Because we never bother courting them. We never say we're a Big Club with Best Fans or a Sleeping Giant. We rarely have big names who transcend football - Stan Collymore, God help us, was probably the last - or are respected throughout the game.
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I must of imagined the many chances we had in the first half.
I think you probably have to be fair.
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I must of imagined the many chances we had in the first half.
I think you probably have to be fair.
Heh /gnasher
What about some of our lovely approach play?! The Beeb should be balanced!
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I only watched the first half , but thought we held are own mainly. Although i did feel if they scored one they would score more . They are a well drilled confident quite workmanlike team .
We are not having a new manager for nothing so i won’t get too down on things
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Thank god a new era starts next week
That second half was as bad as it gets
With the exception of Mings and Young everyone else should be ashamed
I do not think we got into their area in the second half
It’s the lack of being able to fight back and dig in that’s just not acceptable. Yes confidence is a big key but the “over my dead body” attitude isn’t there and hasn’t been for quite a while. We’ve employed a top coach but he will have to work his magic both tactically and in the January transfer market to sort this out.
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Watched the Liverpool / Dirty Leeds game yesterday. Apart from poor possession from both sides, the distinguishing factor in the game was Leeds' energy and quick transition. This has been a factor in our game since the early Prem days of Deano - we do not have the energy and speed to impose our game on others; nor do we seem to have the strong, imposing players in midfield to go toe-to-toe with opponents.
These issues have to be a key focus for Dick - and they are things that can be addressed quickly, as long as the players buy in and get with the programme.
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Why was Southgate gurning like an idiot when Newcastle scored? Insufferable twat.
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What Howe was very smart at, was getting some grafters with quality in, very early in his tenure. Trippier being the main example, is a quality experienced player, who is also a leader and has that winning mentality.
In reality its going to have to be more evolution than revolution and no club would be able to bomb out 5 or 6 in one go for new players and have any sort of coherency. I do think though one or two of those quality leaders on the pitch in January, combined with better coaching and tactical nouse, will make a huge difference post world cup.
Im looking forwards to seeing how Kamara and Luiz do together if Emery decides to take this route, i would also love to have another wing option and an old fashioned dogs of war type forward, in the mould of Carew.
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What Howe was very smart at, was getting some grafters with quality in, very early in his tenure. Trippier being the main example, is a quality experienced player, who is also a leader and has that winning mentality.
In reality its going to have to be more evolution than revolution and no club would be able to bomb out 5 or 6 in one go for new players and have any sort of coherence. I do think though one or two of those quality leaders on the pitch in January, combined with better coaching and tactical nouse, will make a huge difference post world cup.
Im looking forwards to seeing how Kamara and Luiz do together if Emery decides to take this route, i would also love to have another wing option and an old fashioned dogs of war type forward, in the mould of Carew.
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I think it’s the biggest rebuild job in recent years. When McGinn was regularly starting with Luiz and Ramsey that whole midfield cost a total of £17m. Paltry by these standards. Is it any wonder then that it’s the worst area Of the pitch? As for the strikers Jesus what a waste of money they were. Then you go to the defence. Mings and Konsa are probably useful squad players at best. This is massive turnaround job. I just hope he’s given the time.
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Why was Southgate gurning like an idiot when Newcastle scored? Insufferable twat.
i think you answered your own question
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As crap as we were second half they didn't show anything positive at all from a Villa perspective.
What could they have possibly used?
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They probably didn’t want to show up Watkins with his crap touches, Buendia for being too slow to shoot or Ings for just not showing up.
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They probably didn’t want to show up Watkins with his crap touches, Buendia for being too slow to shoot or Ings for just not showing up.
We sacked their mate, innit.
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Reading their social media posts you’d think they’d just won the Champions League, they’ll have a box set DVD out next week and an open top bus parade. Delusional.
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Reading their social media posts you’d think they’d just won the Champions League, they’ll have a box set DVD out next week and an open top bus parade. Delusional.
They are getting carried away, but I guess you would knowing that you can afford to buy any player in the world. It’ll take time but I expect them and city to be fighting it out for 1-2 soon enough.
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Reading their social media posts you’d think they’d just won the Champions League, they’ll have a box set DVD out next week and an open top bus parade. Delusional.
They are getting carried away, but I guess you would knowing that you can afford to buy any player in the world. It’ll take time but I expect them and city to be fighting it out for 1-2 soon enough.
What a thoroughly depressing thought. Another club happily taking cash from another country with an appalling human rights record. It's seriously challenging my love for football.
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Standard video on the official Villa site of Villa player (this time it's glum looking Tyrone instead of a mumbling Konsa or incomprehensible Mcginn) telling us the performance wasn't good enough.
Wish they'd do something about these consistently rubbish performances instead of repeating these clichéd lines.
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
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Reading their social media posts you’d think they’d just won the Champions League, they’ll have a box set DVD out next week and an open top bus parade. Delusional.
They are getting carried away, but I guess you would knowing that you can afford to buy any player in the world. It’ll take time but I expect them and city to be fighting it out for 1-2 soon enough.
They're 4th in the League having only been beaten once. I'd say it's understandable if their fans are a little chipper.
And that's before they've really worked their oil-money ...
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
and other people not interested in football.
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
and other people not interested in football.
One of the more bizarre tannoy announcements of the day was the crowd being invited to celebrate Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi's 11th wedding anniversary.
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One of the more bizarre tannoy announcements of the day was the crowd being invited to celebrate Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi's 11th wedding anniversary.
Yep, that was utterly bizarre. Absolute rapturous round of applause by the Newcastle fans as well, as if they were applauding some past heroes of the game like Shearer or Robson.
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
and other people not interested in football.
One of the more bizarre tannoy announcements of the day was the crowd being invited to celebrate Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi's 11th wedding anniversary.
Jesus that is weird.
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
and other people not interested in football.
One of the more bizarre tannoy announcements of the day was the crowd being invited to celebrate Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi's 11th wedding anniversary.
Jesus that is weird.
The announcement was really gushing as well, something like "an extremely important day for one of the most special people at St James' Park." Something like that.
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One of the more bizarre tannoy announcements of the day was the crowd being invited to celebrate Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi's 11th wedding anniversary.
Yep, that was utterly bizarre. Absolute rapturous round of applause by the Newcastle fans as well, as if they were applauding some past heroes of the game like Shearer or Robson.
Absolute divs. I get annoyed when people clap when the attendance is announced, but that's some next level forelock-tugging right there.
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Yeah that's strange as fuck but if any club would do it then I'm not surprised that it's them.
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
and other people not interested in football.
One of the more bizarre tannoy announcements of the day was the crowd being invited to celebrate Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi's 11th wedding anniversary.
Jesus that is weird.
I bet it raised a few eyebrows.
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Have to keep the boss happy, he is sponsoring their success.
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Apparently there's a protest at Sid James Park on 12th November by a group of fans protesting at 'sports washing'. I'd imagine they'll mostly be Sunderland and Hartlepool fans.
Eh? Surely Annan Athletic, Queen of the South and Hearts?
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Hmmm, good as that story is, I need more than that to throw back at the Geordies....