Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Jon Crofts on October 20, 2022, 09:32:25 PM
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Bye Steven.
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Yes thats it now for sure.
It's 2015/16 all over again before our very eyes.
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3-0 against Fulham massively flattered us. That sums it up. Just disgraceful - no plan, no tactics, no idea. Out.
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Ta ra. We just need to hope that a new manager can eek some quality out of this bunch of no hopers. I don’t think we’ll get a decent replacement though, and I don’t think he’ll be given any proper money to spend. Relegation beckons.
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Gerrard out!
Will someone get Graham Brady involved please because purslow (like our manager) is f#cking useless.
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Won’t be too much on here tonight as the site server obviously not functioning too well.
When you need some luck in football it doesn’t come, Gerrard didn’t lose his job because of tonight but because of all the stupid decisions that culminated in that shit show.
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Unlucky with injuries and shite refs for sure this season, but the lack of goals, silly mistakes and piss poor midfield are down to the manager and whoever recruits these days.
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You are brave Jon. Thought both the red and peno were harsh but doesn't really matter. Mings passing in their third the final ironic twist in Gerrard's reign. A complete shit show tonight, only Martinez and Young get any credit.
Martinez 7, Konsa 3, Bednarek 5 (Cash 3), Mings 4, Young 7, Luiz 3, McGinn 3, Ramsey 5, Bailey 1 (Buendia 5), Ings 2, Watkins 5. Gerrard, bye.
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Terrible performance but that sending off pissed me off. How can the ref make that decision from that angle?
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No time for Gerrard but the players, some of them just gave up in the second half
only Martinez and Young score any points from me
So we start again, how many more times ?
Can not remember, but was there anyone else in the running apart from Purslows love child last time ?
Purslow should also be booted along with the entire coaching staff
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Ta ra. We just need to hope that a new manager can eek some quality out of this bunch of no hopers. I don’t think we’ll get a decent replacement though, and I don’t think he’ll be given any proper money to spend. Relegation beckons.
Agreed. It is crucial they get the next appointment right. I don't think this group of players is anywhere near the level many on here think they are. The good news is it is a very strange season and there is still a lot to play for as noone, not even Forest, are adrift. There are a lot of poor sides about who simply cant score. Unlike 2016, when we were as good as down after 10 games as they had thrown the towel in.
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Never a penalty, never a red card. But 3-0 still flattered us.
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Silly decisions sums it up
Go a player down take off a striker(?) replace with a DM
10 minutes later take off a midfielder replace with a striker
To call it Sunday league is an insult to the lads who turn up on a Sunday
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There is a woman in our village who runs seances. I think I will try her to get through to Heroes and Villains.
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We've achieved the impossible. The seventh highest spenders in Europe and gone backwards faster than an Italian tank on the battlefield. At the same time individual players like Watkins,Mings and McGinn have become a mere shadow of their former selves. Special mention for Jacob Ramsey. He was the one player I thought would benefit the most from Gerrard taking over. Surely working day to day with the England legend would benefit him massively but no. Somehow they have managed to ruin his game so much that he has disappeared up his own arse. I can't think of a single moment in tonight's game where he made a positive contribution. It's diabolical man management. Get Gerrard and his bunch of wasters out of our club.
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There is a woman in our village who runs seances. I think I will try her to get through to Heroes and Villains.
Ha, a brief reason to smile on what's been a depressing evening.
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The players lack energy, desire, passion. They don't retain the ball, don't move well enough, Watkins gets caught offside too much, they are not aggressive enough, they are not good enough. Several of them have gone backwards. Second best to everything, all night, all season.
Mitrovic might be a cheating twunt but tonight wasn't good enough and Gerrard cannot come back from this. 7 gaols scored from 11 played, 6 defeats out of 11. We are getting worse. Terribly poor performance.
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Penalty and sending off for me
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
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As a club who we’ve been told have aspirations of challenging for Europe and who are building a new stand to house more support I’d expect the powers that be to have an instant replacement in place as soon as they’ve told Gerrard he’s lost his job.
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Absolute horror show and everything that could go wrong pretty much did. Hard to see a way forward for the manager after that.
How the f@ck have we ended up in this position again?
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No excuses for the chancer. We should've been down 3-0 within the first 15 minutes.
Got twatted by Fulham - everyone from the players up at this club is full of shit. Purslow is a fucking salesman who hasn't got a clue and the managerial team needs to find their own way home. If you want to add to the stadium, if you want to become a part of the European elite, if you want to be a parent club with affiliates throughout the world then FUCKING ACT LIKE IT.
Huge respect for those who went and stuck around until the final whistle.
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Gerard's responsibility, but once again players getting away with it, nothing will happen to them
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I don’t know where to start.
That was dreadful, abysmal and utterly spineless in every single aspect.
I’m furious. The lessons of our past have not been learnt, we threatened to move onwards and have become a “crisis club” once again.
There in no spine, belief, confidence, pride or strength in our team at the moment. The ability is there, but we just are mismanaged into utter oblivion.
This season has a strong smell of 2015 all over again. We’re going to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' out of this division in the most unceremonious way possible. It stinks. It’s like Surstromming and Durian fruit mixed together into one great bit nauseating mess of ineptitude.
This entire club needs rebuilding - keeping the owners who’ve been bloody patient. But anyone beneath them is fair game in this mass cull of skidded boxer pants.
The last time anyone saw anything so pathetic was… well… errrm. Today with Liz Truss. And now, Gerrard must go the same way. I wanted this project to work. I wanted it to work so badly. All it feels like now is that my 2 year old has been climbing my legs and repetitively planting his knee and elbow into my gonads.
It’s time for change. Totally diabolical Villa. Not once ounce of pride out there today.
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He knows its over
End of the game he walked across the pitch to the officials and players to shake hands.
veered off so not to see the fans
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Villa fans turn on Gerrard
Having booed their players off the field following Saturday's home defeat by Chelsea, the Villa supporters once again made their feelings known as the visitors traipsed off the Craven Cottage pitch at half-time - and again in the latter stages of the contest.
Unmistakable chants of "You're getting sacked in the morning" and "Steven Gerrard, get out of our club" echoed around the ground following Mings' own goal, which capped a desperate performance from the away side in west London.
Only the goal-line clearance from Mings and several impressive saves from Martinez kept the scoreline down in the first half.
It could have been much worse for Gerrard's side, who offered Marco Silva's team far too much space in the final third - particularly down Fulham's left - while offering precious little as an attacking threat.
The decision to replace striker Danny Ings with Leander Dendoncker following Luiz's dismissal was met by shouts of "We want Gerrard out" from sections of the Putney End.
Former Liverpool and England captain Gerrard said before the game that his side were "a lot closer to where we want to be" in terms of performance levels - but this was very much a step in the wrong direction for the 42-year-old and his players.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63238011
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If we can’t beat Leeds, forest or Fulham, who can we beat? Or .. how can we possibly stay up with “Stevie G” in charge?
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Gerard's responsibility, but once again players getting away with it, nothing will happen to them
It will. A good manger will sort them out. We just need to find one.
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Shocking.
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Gerard's responsibility, but once again players getting away with it, nothing will happen to them
What do you want to happen to them? The window is closed and Gerrard keeps picking them, despite having other options.
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Villa fans turn on Gerrard
It could have been much worse for Gerrard's side, who offered Marco Silva's team far too much space in the final third - particularly down Fulham's left - while offering precious little as an attacking threat.
The decision to replace striker Danny Ings with Leander Dendoncker following Luiz's dismissal was met by shouts of "We want Gerrard out" from sections of the Putney End.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63238011
He left Konsa out to die on the right hand side so that Bednarek, who has no business in this league, could shift in to CB. Moronic, absolutely moronic decision.
When Ings came off for the 11 million pound donkey, I looked at my mate and said.. he's not in danger of the sack, is he? Who in their right mind would take off a striker in favor of a wandering nomad if their job was in jeopady?!
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Have never liked Gerrard, but Jesus Christ we've got some poor players.
Whether they're playing for Gerrard or not, have some fucking professional pride.
Can't say I like any of them. Pathetic display.
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Oh dear John McGinn , what a silly thing to say.
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Oh dear John McGinn , what a silly thing to say.
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The penalty decision was a bit harsh as the ball was hit from so close but Luiz was just stupid. We now have to wait to see if the stories of Pochettino have any substance as Gerrard can't possibly come back from that.
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There is a woman in our village who runs seances. I think I will try her to get through to Heroes and Villains.
Ha, a brief reason to smile on what's been a depressing evening.
"Is there anybody there?"
"Ooooooh, yeeesss, sack that scouse clown ffs"
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Have never liked Gerrard, but Jesus Christ we've got some poor players.
Whether they're playing for Gerrard or not, have some fucking professional pride.
Can't say I like any of them. Pathetic display.
Some of them yeah. But it’s hard to summon much up when it’s clear there is no tactical plan.
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Villa fans turn on Gerrard
It could have been much worse for Gerrard's side, who offered Marco Silva's team far too much space in the final third - particularly down Fulham's left - while offering precious little as an attacking threat.
The decision to replace striker Danny Ings with Leander Dendoncker following Luiz's dismissal was met by shouts of "We want Gerrard out" from sections of the Putney End.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63238011
He left Konsa out to die on the right hand side so that Bednarek, who has no business in this league, could shift in to CB. Moronic, absolutely moronic decision.
When Ings came off for the 11 million pound donkey, I looked at my mate and said.. he's not in danger of the sack, is he? Who in their right mind would take off a striker in favor of a wandering nomad if their job was in jeopady?!
I'd prefer Dedonkey up front than Ings. Actually I'd prefer if Ings didn't play for us again. That was a bit of a sitter he missed with the header but it barely even made it to the keeper.
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Well, that was pretty atrocious really. Not much else to add.
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McGinn
https://twitter.com/primevideosport/status/1583203404490211328
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Absolutely diabolical performance. There’s no coming back from that and the next choice of manager has got be right and I sincerely hope that we really are looking at the Poch’s of this world. But, as I’ve said before, this is not just on the manager but on this totally below average bunch of wasters none of them fit to wear the shirt. I’m sick of Watkins, Ings McGinn, Bailey, Konsa, the list goes on. Nowhere near good enough at this level.
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Such a sad evening for AVFC. Really difficult to stand and watch that shit show. The owners have let this go on for far to long. They need to get the next appointment right.
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The players deffo downed tools tonight. They stopped running for nice guy Smith last year and now they've done the same for "terse" Gerrard. No pressure on the ball at all. Anyone coming in will have to move three or four big names out and get some big hitters in, in as few windows as possible. Mings played decent tonight but another blunder. You can live with one blunder in five but its every game now, mistakes, og's. And Luiz? Idiotic.
Gerrard will be praying he's sacked tonight so he won't have to face the home fans on Sunday. He only put Buendía on because the fans were singing for him for 5 mins otherwise i'm sure it would have been his mate phil and done a massive swerve at full time to avoid the fans.
Willian ran the show for Fulham.
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Fucking disgusting
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
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McGinn
https://twitter.com/primevideosport/status/1583203404490211328
"Playing against 10 men is an advantage for any team in this League"
I can think of one team that doesn't apply too.
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McGinn
https://twitter.com/primevideosport/status/1583203404490211328
could have told you that knobhead
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The fucking league is average at the moment, our squad might be average but it’s not shit. The manager is shit. You can be average and be in 8th position.
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Villa fans turn on Gerrard
It could have been much worse for Gerrard's side, who offered Marco Silva's team far too much space in the final third - particularly down Fulham's left - while offering precious little as an attacking threat.
The decision to replace striker Danny Ings with Leander Dendoncker following Luiz's dismissal was met by shouts of "We want Gerrard out" from sections of the Putney End.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63238011
He left Konsa out to die on the right hand side so that Bednarek, who has no business in this league, could shift in to CB. Moronic, absolutely moronic decision.
When Ings came off for the 11 million pound donkey, I looked at my mate and said.. he's not in danger of the sack, is he? Who in their right mind would take off a striker in favor of a wandering nomad if their job was in jeopady?!
I'd prefer Dedonkey up front than Ings. Actually I'd prefer if Ings didn't play for us again. That was a bit of a sitter he missed with the header but it barely even made it to the keeper.
It was a cushioned header back to his keeper. Sorry, I meant their keeper. He is utter wank.
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I am so fed up
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No alternative really. Given the already sustained period of underperformance, Whether you are for or against Gerrard, if he can’t beat a ten man Leeds bottom of the league forest or a newly promoted Fulham, there’s only one outcome.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12725901/fulham-3-0-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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A red card, penalty and an own goal, everything that could go wrong did, but in no way did that result flatter Fulham, it was fully deserved, we made them look like world beaters.
I have been campaigning to give Bailey a run in the team, but I've seen enough, he has been dreadful, the only players. who came out with any credit were probably Martinez and Young.
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
I think the squad is unbalanced and that would be down to Gerrard and his phobia of wide players. Tonight was a shocker, players were weak in the tackle when they bothered, didn’t track back and showed little energy. That opening thirty minutes was a nightmare. Both their full backs got into great positions repeatedly. Bailey, Ings, Mcginn were awful, Ramsey and Watkins very poor too. A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
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I am so fed up
This. I'm just cheesed off with it. The one genuine bright spot of supporting Villa since my teens was the promotion run, and no matter how good it was to experience that, it was still (when all said and done) a trophy for finishing fifth in the second tier. I've gone through the majority of my supporting life waiting for a genuinely great Villa side able to win a proper trophy, and we're closer to the start than the end of that desire. Villa losing used to ruin my week. Now I just expect it, and I hate that more than the actual football.
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I am so fed up
This. I'm just cheesed off with it. The one genuine bright spot of supporting Villa since my teens was the promotion run, and no matter how good it was to experience that, it was still (when all said and done) a trophy for finishing fifth in the second tier. I've gone through the majority of my supporting life waiting for a genuinely great Villa side able to win a proper trophy, and we're closer to the start than the end of that desire. Villa losing used to ruin my week. Now I just expect it, and I hate that more than the actual football.
Come on now, we had that few months in lockdown when we were quite good.
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Have to say Young is putting the rest of the players to shame
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It feels like we have totally undone any progress, stability, togetherness we had gained. We're no longer looking up the league but starting to fret about whether we will be good enough to stay in this league. Painful to see us unravel so quickly. I hope we hire a football manager this time because whatever this is that we have gambled on has not worked.
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Never a penalty.
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
But two managers/coaches, with contrasting characters and playing styles, have now failed to get anything from largely the same bunch of players
So what’s the common factor?
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
But two managers/coaches, with contrasting characters and playing styles, have now failed to get anything from largely the same bunch of players
So what’s the common factor?
But then calling Gerrard a manager and having a "playing" style......
Remember Coutinho came in and for the first couple of games he shone. Then Gerrard started coaching him.
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This week Ive been to a pals funeral, another died the same day, my business needs an miracle and my flights to get away from it all for a few days were cancelled earlier today.
At least I had a solid Villa win at lowly Fulham to cheer me up and look forward to.
It’s always the hope that kills you….
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
I think the squad is unbalanced and that would be down to Gerrard and his phobia of wide players. Tonight was a shocker, players were weak in the tackle when they bothered, didn’t track back and showed little energy. That opening thirty minutes was a nightmare. Both their full backs got into great positions repeatedly. Bailey, Ings, Mcginn were awful, Ramsey and Watkins very poor too. A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
But that’s what we said when we binned Smith, The next guy will get more out of the squad. And guess what?? They’re still average. The players are not good enough. When will people get this???
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Understand Nassef Sawiris furious with what he witnessed tonight and walked out of the directors' box after Douglas Luiz's red card. Christian Purslow quickly followed after Mitrovic made it 2-0
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Setup to lose. Toxic. Got to go
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Special shout-out to betfair for the 3/1 return on Ings to have 2 or more shots on target. Perfect punt for a club like ours that doesn't win football matches or score goals.
As for the Fulham training session, I'm in the never a red camp, a comical decision but an expected one. The penalty is whatever! Cash has done that multiple times before because he's a liability.
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Silly decisions sums it up
Go a player down take off a striker(?) replace with a DM
10 minutes later take off a midfielder replace with a striker
To call it Sunday league is an insult to the lads who turn up on a Sunday
And three one-at-a-time subs for the third game in a row, meaning we can’t use any more. Clueless.
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Fucking hell. Glad I had to go out tonight.
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He's gone!!!!!!
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But that’s what we said when we binned Smith, The next guy will get more out of the squad. And guess what?? They’re still average. The players are not good enough. When will people get this???
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If only they were average - we would be mid-table now
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
I think the squad is unbalanced and that would be down to Gerrard and his phobia of wide players. Tonight was a shocker, players were weak in the tackle when they bothered, didn’t track back and showed little energy. That opening thirty minutes was a nightmare. Both their full backs got into great positions repeatedly. Bailey, Ings, Mcginn were awful, Ramsey and Watkins very poor too. A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
But that’s what we said when we binned Smith, The next guy will get more out of the squad. And guess what?? They’re still average. The players are not good enough. When will people get this???
Yes if these players are good enough, maybe Smith wouldn't have got the sack so quickly. The same is happening with Gerrard. They are not good enough and worse still tonight several of them seemingly didn't really bother or apply themselves which is absolutely terrible for professional athletes getting paid a fortune.
..and Gerrard has now gone.
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He's gone!!!!!!
Says who and where.
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For the first time ever I was glad the ref went to the TV for the red card review as I thought he’d book Mitrovic for coming at Doug.
I’m normally wrong
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Does anyone really believe that this "performance" wasn't hurtling towards us since the opening day?
I maintain that the squad is decent enough to stay in the PL but almost every facet of this Managers reign has been utterly flawed. Tactics, motivation, man management, in game decisions, those panic buys, his attitude to the press, the decimation of the youth set up. Rotten, just rotten.
This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
I think the squad is unbalanced and that would be down to Gerrard and his phobia of wide players. Tonight was a shocker, players were weak in the tackle when they bothered, didn’t track back and showed little energy. That opening thirty minutes was a nightmare. Both their full backs got into great positions repeatedly. Bailey, Ings, Mcginn were awful, Ramsey and Watkins very poor too. A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
But that’s what we said when we binned Smith, The next guy will get more out of the squad. And guess what?? They’re still average. The players are not good enough. When will people get this???
So how do we improve right now? Because we're largely stuck with these players for the rest of the season. The reason managers get sacked with regularity is because it is the easiest thing to change. And no one can deny something needs to change with us right now. I don't get this whole "the players aren't good enough argument". What's the conclusion from this? May as well stick with a shit manager? The next one might be even worse but fact is Gerrard has done absolutely nothing to justify remaining in employment
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But that’s what we said when we binned Smith, The next guy will get more out of the squad. And guess what?? They’re still average. The players are not good enough. When will people get this???
If only they were average - we would be mid-table now
[/quote] because the next manager needs to put there boot up there arse or they will get him the sack
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He's gone!!!!!!
Says who and where.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1583212800901521409
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Special shout-out to betfair for the 3/1 return on Ings to have 2 or more shots on target. Perfect punt for a club like ours that doesn't win football matches or score goals.
As for the Fulham training session, I'm in the never a red camp, a comical decision but an expected one. The penalty is whatever! Cash has done that multiple times before because he's a liability.
Had to agree with Don Hutchinson on co comm, that Cash bottled going for the cross in the first place when he saw it was Mitrovic behind him. But thought it a very harsh peno. He's not even looking at the ball, hits the back of his arm.
Aside from the penalty, Cash was even worse than Konsa at RB. Shocking.
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He's gone!!!!!!
Says who and where.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1583212800901521409
Ta.
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This squad is at very best average. Yes Gerrard has got to go, but so have a large portion of this squad.
A new manager could get loads more out of this group.
But two managers/coaches, with contrasting characters and playing styles, have now failed to get anything from largely the same bunch of players
So what’s the common factor?
This is the view I'm increasingly coming too, it's been pretty poor fare since we came up and that's under 2 managers and 3 maybe 4 different coaches. My Dad's been saying for almost 12 months now that the squad isn't good enough and he may well be right.
Allied to that, aside from de Bruyne's free kick hitting the bar against Citeh, we don't seem to have got a bit of luck in a game for ages now, quite the opposite tonight. It's like we're paying off some giant Karma balance for that "goal" that wasn't given against Sheff. Utd..
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He's gone!!!!!!
Says who and where.
Breaking news on BBC sport
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
Me too
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
I don't. With the right appointment we will be fine.
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
Me too
Not this time.
The league is pretty average and we may not be brilliant but this squad is far better than the shit we’ve seen so far.
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
I don't. With the right appointment we will be fine.
I think we will be “fine” in terms of mid-table “fine”. I don’t think they are capable of anything better
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That will do for me at the moment.
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That will do for me at the moment.
Agreed
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That will do for me at the moment.
Absolutely, which is where we should be
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Realistically, anything other than relegation will be a good thing for us. Let’s see who we get as manager and see where that takes us.
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
We might at least recognise a system.
Back to the game. Bailey at fault for the first goal. If he puts a challenge in on the defender when our attack broke down the next passage of play doesn’t happen. He was disgraceful tonight. If he’s injured why play him?
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Those Fulham fans singing sacked in the morning. Shows what they know!
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Thanks for comparing us to Barcelona lol, that’s probably the best we’ve played this season, wether it’s because you were crap, or we were really good, I think it’s somewhere in between, I think you a bit unlucky with both the red card and the penalty, but you did seem a bit toothless, I don’t think our goalkeeper had a proper save to make, your confidence seem shot, and now Gerrard’s gone now it’s got to get better for you surely, and good luck for the rest of the season
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
I agree. Some of these players just aren’t up to it.
Gerrard didn’t tell McGinn to play that ball straight out of bounds. Just like he didn’t tell Bailey to play like a fanny. Pretty sure he didn’t tell Ming’s to keep making mistakes to give goals away or Konsa and Buendia to throw themselves to the deck at the slightest touch leaving themselves out of position.
There is a lot wrong, Gerrard is/was just one part.
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
I agree. Some of these players just aren’t up to it.
Gerrard didn’t tell McGinn to play that ball straight out of bounds. Just like he didn’t tell Bailey to play like a fanny. Pretty sure he didn’t tell Ming’s to keep making mistakes to give goals away or Konsa and Buendia to throw themselves to the deck at the slightest touch leaving themselves out of position.
There is a lot wrong, Gerrard is/was just one part.
I accept that the squad needs improvement but with the right manager we can play a damn sight better with these players.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
Kept us up last season.
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Well at least we may find out what this squad is capable of now he’s gone.
I think we will be disappointed
I agree. Some of these players just aren’t up to it.
Gerrard didn’t tell McGinn to play that ball straight out of bounds. Just like he didn’t tell Bailey to play like a fanny. Pretty sure he didn’t tell Ming’s to keep making mistakes to give goals away or Konsa and Buendia to throw themselves to the deck at the slightest touch leaving themselves out of position.
There is a lot wrong, Gerrard is/was just one part.
I accept that the squad needs improvement but with the right manager we can play a damn sight better with these players.
We could see Archer being given a proper run for a start. That aside, Smith had a lesser squad than we have now but managed to get some style and effort into them.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
Kept us at night up last season.
Fixed that for you Leeg.
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It was a shocking team selection too. Sent all the wrong messages that we were afraid of Mitrovic and that if we stuck with Ings and Watkins up front a ball might bounce off a knee into the net. A lot of players obviously sensed it too and didn't play for the shirt tonight let's be honest.
Even to the last few minutes Ashley Young was there blocking crosses and also getting up the pitch to put a decent one in for Watkins. His effort shamed the rest tonight and I was totally against giving him an extra year.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
Kept us up last season.
Haha. But I did say "right", not "not catastrophic".
I heard he guaranteed energy prices and abolished the national insurance increase too.
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I can't think of a single positive from his 'coaching', I really can't.
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Just as Glen Whelan did us all a massive favour by missing that penalty, so this could turn out to be a great defeat.
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I was in west-London tonight but thankfully far enough away from going raving mad at Craven Cottage.
Kevin Rowland was looking well, considering he came off his motorbike at speed a few months back on a slippy road in south-east Asia. He entered the Elgar Room at the Royal Albert Hall in an extravagant fur coat, regaled us with tales of making Too Rye Ay 40 years ago and proceded to sit and listen back to a newly released mix of the album in front of about 200 fans.
"Listening to yer own music is like being caught fiddling with yerself" a sage once said. Kev at various points, nodded his head, bowed his head, yawned and hummed along to the record. And smiled shyly as the crowd applauded at the end of each song. There were a fair few Brummies in attendance, going by the accents on some of the folk who asked questions in the Q&A afterwards. This snapped me back to the reality of being a Villa fan so I duly checked me phone and saw that a third goal had gone in. Gerrard was sacked by the time I was walking home from the tube. Turned out to be a half-decent night all-round.
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I was in west-London tonight but thankfully far enough away from going raving mad at Craven Cottage.
Kevin Rowland was looking well, considering he came off his motorbike at speed a few months back on a slippy road in south-east Asia. He entered the Elgar Room at the Royal Albert Hall in an extravagant fur coat, regaled us with tales of making Too Rye Ay 40 years ago and proceded to sit and listen back to a newly released mix of the album in front of about 200 fans.
"Listening to yer own music is like being caught fiddling with yerself" a sage once said. Kev at various points, nodded his head, bowed his head, yawned and hummed along to the record. And smiled shyly as the crowd applauded at the end of each song. There were a fair few Brummies in attendance, going by the accents on some of the folk who asked questions in the Q&A afterwards. This snapped me back to the reality of being a Villa fan so I duly checked me phone and saw that a third goal had gone in. Gerrard was sacked by the time I was walking home from the tube. Turned out to be a half-decent night all-round.
KR sounded in great form on Stuart Maconie's show the other day (might have been the Radcliffe Maconie thing, can't remember).
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Yes, it was Radmac on their weekend morning show.
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I can't think of a single positive from his 'coaching', I really can't.
More than his coaching his tenure. Aside from the obvious disaster on the football side he literally alienated everyone. It’s one thing if you have a resume like Mourinho that you can act the big dick. But when you’ve done nothing and come across as entitled as he did the it rubs everyone the wrong way. He has contributed to fans feeling far less connected to the club. Not all his fault because Purslow appointed him, but he has been a major reason for it.
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The highlights of the equivalent of a full season under him are twatting shit a few shit sides, Leeds, Saints, Burnley. And a couple of decent losing performances against good sides. Even Sherwood and Venglos left better memories than that.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
His press conferences were brilliant. He talks a very good game. Sadly, that's where his talent ends.
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I;ve actually enjoyed myself for the first time in a little while talking about Villa tonight with a few beers after he's got sacked, that's a positive and also an example of how shit he's been. Last chance for Purslow, no more Mickey Mouse managers or your mates.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
His press conferences were brilliant. He talks a very good game. Sadly, that's where his talent ends.
I wouldn't call him charismatic. He tended to trot out the same clichés after a while.
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I;ve actually enjoyed myself for the first time in a little while talking about Villa tonight with a few beers after he's got sacked, that's a positive and also an example of how shit he's been. Last chance for Purslow, no more Mickey Mouse managers or your mates.
If I was the owners I'd be binning Purslow. He's overseen two really poor directors of football and subsequently the wasting of the £100m we got for Grealish, and his choice to replace Smith hasn't worked at all.
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That clip of them training yesterday...... that performance was about as lively as the training montage. They looked and played like they'd been force fed dog shit before the match. The manager is a joke and should never have been appointed but some of those performances out there tonight were diabolical and I hope a fair few of them are going to be ashamed of it because they've let the club down tonight.
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I;ve actually enjoyed myself for the first time in a little while talking about Villa tonight with a few beers after he's got sacked, that's a positive and also an example of how shit he's been. Last chance for Purslow, no more Mickey Mouse managers or your mates.
If I was the owners I'd be binning Purslow. He's overseen two really poor directors of football and subsequently the wasting of the £100m we got for Grealish, and his choice to replace Smith hasn't worked at all.
Two DOF with track records at small clubs dealing with small amounts of money. If we are going to do this we need to appoint managers and DOF's with pedigrees at the level we aim to achieve. This next appointment for me is the barometer. Another nothing managers and I don't care what they say about Europe and expansions of the ground it's not born out by actions.
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There is a lot wrong, but I'm struggling to think of anything Gerrard did right.
His press conferences were brilliant. He talks a very good game. Sadly, that's where his talent ends.
I wouldn't call him charismatic. He tended to trot out the same clichés after a while.
He's anything but charismatic but I did like his approach to football in the PCs. That said I stopped watching them a few weeks into this season. Whatever the football equivalent of 'fur coat no knickers' is, that's him.
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That clip of them training yesterday...... that performance was about as lively as the training montage. They looked and played like they'd been force fed dog shit before the match. The manager is a joke and should never have been appointed but some of those performances out there tonight were diabolical and I hope a fair few of them are going to be ashamed of it because they've let the club down tonight.
I reckon you could take eleven players of equal stature from other Premier League teams, throw them together for the first time, tell them it's 4-4-2 and where they're playing and they'd be beat us tonight, no sweat
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Can we also ''part company'' with every single member of the training staff as we looked under cooked and unprepared every game. From long haired guy, attacking coach and Perennial failure Gary Mac. Fuck them all off. Please.
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Can we also ''part company'' with every single member of the training staff as we looked under cooked and unprepared every game. From long haired guy, attacking coach and Perennial failure Gary Mac. Fuck them all off. Please.
If MacPhee survives and gets to work under a third manager, I could only summise that he has compromising photos of Purslow. We are absolutely abject at both ends when it comes to set pieces.
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I don't know if it's Austin MacPhee's fault or not, but may as well ask here. Has anyone other than Hot Lips scored a direct free kick for us in the last decade? Can't think of any.
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I don't know if it's Austin MacPhee's fault or not, but may as well ask here. Has anyone other than Hot Lips scored a direct free kick for us in the last decade? Can't think of any.
Bacuna, Benteke.
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Ah I remember Bacuna ta, was against Man City wasn't it? Not sure I recall Benteke's one.
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Yes, against Citeh and I think Cardiff at VP and maybe Norwich too (Bacuna).
Benteke...was it one of his hat-trick goals against QPR or Reading?
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Benteke was the 3-3 v QPR.
Zog scored one against West Ham, which is in the last decade range for a few months.
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Back in March, we were up to 68 direct free kicks without scoring from one since that Benteke one.
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I can think of plenty of bad ones we've conceded from free kicks funnily enough - Forest the other week being exhibit A.
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I’m just back from the game. I hear Steven has been sacked. I’ve been trawling the bars and clubs of Putney and I’m fucking blind drunk. My assessment of the game is that it was shit.
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Fair assessment
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Back in March, we were up to 68 direct free kicks without scoring from one since that Benteke one.
Hot Lips?
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Yes they are. Thank you for noticing *blush*
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If I was the owners I'd be binning Purslow. He's overseen two really poor directors of football and subsequently the wasting of the £100m we got for Grealish, and his choice to replace Smith hasn't worked at all.
Yes, I'd have been more optimistic about the future if it had been a double sacking of Purslow and Gerrard.
I admit I wish we could somehow exchange most of our players too. I have never really forgiven them for the way they let Smith down in the end and I'm not surprised they have done it again under a different manager. They are mentally and physically weak.
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I was there last night and again we can't beat another promoted team from the Championship.
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Back in March, we were up to 68 direct free kicks without scoring from one since that Benteke one.
Hot Lips?
Hourihane
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The steak and ale pie was good in the Putney end and that’s about all the good news from last nights visit
I love Craven cottage one of my favourite away’s but wasn’t impressed with the new stand it looked very boring, built on the cheep with no thought or design
Got some really good news on the way home though
So it turned out nice again
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I’m just back from the game. I hear Steven has been sacked. I’ve been trawling the bars and clubs of Putney and I’m fucking blind drunk. My assessment of the game is that it was shit.
To be fair FS you still managed to construct a coherent and correct sentence!
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That huddle before the game was telling probably saying don't worry Gerrard is gone after this!
Everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
I think many players are relieved that Gerrrad is out . He was far too and critical about players and his approach isnt suited to Premier league players.
The performance was one of the worst.
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Mitrović, big, strong, holds the ball up well, great in the air.......................cheat.
It was a daft thing to do by Luiz but what a **nt
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Mitrović, big, strong, holds the ball up well, great in the air.......................cheat.
It was a daft thing to do by Luiz but what a **nt
Yep his rolling around on the floor like he’d been shot was particularly Bamford-esque.
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I blame Douglas, there's ways of handling twats like that
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I liked his interview after when he told Dublin and Ferdinand he’d been head butted to the bridge of his nose. He then pointed to the spot where there was absolutely no mark. I’m sure they were both thinking what I was and part of me hoped Dion would offer to show him what a head butt was.
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happened right in front of me, what a crazy night.
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Oh well, at least Luiz’s red card has been rescinded so available for Sunday
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I’m just back from the game. I hear Steven has been sacked. I’ve been trawling the bars and clubs of Putney and I’m fucking blind drunk. My assessment of the game is that it was shit.
Sounds like good craic. Any stories to tell? The Half Moon is a decent spot especially when they have a gig on in the live room.
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Mitrović, big, strong, holds the ball up well, great in the air.......................cheat.
It was a daft thing to do by Luiz but what a **nt
Yep his rolling around on the floor like he’d been shot was particularly Bamford-esque.
Its about time refs start giving cards to players feigning injury. I mean come on if any of us did what Mitrovic or Bamford did in matches that we play in, everyone would piss themselves and leave us on the floor for being a twat.
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Oh well, at least Luiz’s red card has been rescinded so available for Sunday
I trust Mitrovic will be suffering retrospective punishment for his play acting...
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Oh well, at least Luiz’s red card has been rescinded so available for Sunday
I trust Mitrovic will be suffering retrospective punishment for his play acting...
He would, but he's still rolling round I think. He only got back up to take the penalty.
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Oh well, at least Luiz’s red card has been rescinded so available for Sunday
I trust Mitrovic will be suffering retrospective punishment for his play acting...
He would, but he's still rolling round I think. He only got back up to take the penalty.
This was going to be discussed by the Panel on Amazon after the match until he turned up for the interview.
All very cosy cosy with the big shit house
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Double post
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Sounds like good craic. Any stories to tell? The Half Moon is a decent spot especially when they have a gig on in the live room.
I haven’t tried the Half Moon, but it sounds good. We were in the 8 Bells before the game, and the Kings Arms afterwards, and then crossed the bridge for late bars in Putney. Bouncers wouldn’t let us in all of them - presumably they didn’t want football fans. Bumped into several groups of Villa along the street, who were all recognisable even without colours. One of the guys I was with was on an absolute mission, and kept ordering rounds of shots. Guys were falling by the wayside through the evening. We ended up in a club called le Fez, that we’ve been to after games before, albeit 10 years ago. I bailed around 2am, and Friday was painful.