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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on August 28, 2022, 05:48:31 PM

Title: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2022, 05:48:31 PM
Choose one or two.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2022, 05:50:03 PM
Watkins.

Doesn't really matter though when we barely create a clear cut chance.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 28, 2022, 05:51:52 PM
Watkins.

Doesn't really matter though when we barely create a clear cut chance.
Did we actually create anything other than a couple of speculative Coutinho 20-25 yard efforts?
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Richard on August 28, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
Watkins with 3 attacking midfielders behind, Bailey Buendia Ramsey maybe.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2022, 05:58:42 PM
Archer is too raw to run a full season at this level, although he is a handful of energy and one for the future.  Ings is a classy player but needs better players around him.  Watkins is a player we need to cash in on before it's too late.  All of that said, I'd like to see what a proper manager and coach could do with them.  The shape is wrong to play with both Ings and Watkins.  We can all see it, have been saying it for around 12 months, why can't the present incumbent?  It's so obvious to me that the shape of the midfield is wrong.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 06:01:48 PM
I really don't get how Archer is being used so far.

Last season he was starting league cup games.

Now after a fantastic 12 months he dosen't even start v Bolton. Sending him on for injury time today was total p*** take.

If he isn't going to feature send him out on loan for next six months to keep him sharp otherwise he's just going to lose momentum bench warming.

It's not the biggest issue of many with Gerrard but just feels another odd call.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2022, 06:04:03 PM
I like finishing strikers rather than starting strikers.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 06:04:58 PM
Objection - the tread starter is clearly biased and leading the witnesses.


Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Richard E on August 28, 2022, 06:13:38 PM
Objection - the tread starter is clearly biased and leading the witnesses.




Overruled. Leading questions are permitted in cross examination.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 06:23:55 PM
Watkins with 2 pacey wide forwards. We only have 1 of them though. So Archer should be challenging for all 3 spots. Ings is bloody useless, because he can't run.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2022, 06:24:21 PM
Watkins.

Doesn't really matter though when we barely create a clear cut chance.

Not a big fan of Watkins but I'm not going to knock him or Ings when the tactics are so wrong. I think it can only be Critchley's influence that we now pump pointless balls into the box for our outnumbered strikers to watch being comfortably headed away. I don't remember the same tactics with Beale, he was more for going through the centre if memory serves.

Archer offers something different and deserves his chance, give him at least 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2022, 06:45:05 PM
Objection - the tread starter is clearly biased and leading the witnesses.




Why ever would you think that, m'lud?
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 06:45:32 PM
Watkins with 2 pacey wide forwards. We only have 1 of them though. So Archer should be challenging for all 3 spots. Ings is bloody useless, because he can't run.

Sarr-Watkins-Bailey

      Buendia

would be reasonably decent pressing and direct frontline if we'd signed him last week.

People were getting caught up in thinking Sarr would've been a Gerrard signing, he'd have been a signing for next manager to work with given how little threat we currently carry on the break.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2022, 06:48:50 PM
The service to them is pretty shit as well.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 07:02:45 PM
Watkins and Ings were dreadful today. The problem wasn't possession against West Ham, it was having that pair of no marks up front. I'd cheerfully never see either of them in a Villa shirt again.

So my verdict is....Archer. And buy somebody else.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 07:17:51 PM
Watkins with 3 attacking midfielders behind, Bailey Buendia Ramsey maybe.

Yep something like that is what I’d do and have Doug and Kamara sitting in midfield.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 28, 2022, 07:26:04 PM
Watkins with 3 attacking midfielders behind, Bailey Buendia Ramsey maybe.

Yep something like that is what I’d do and have Doug and Kamara sitting in midfield.
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Watkins with 3 attacking midfielders behind, Bailey Buendia Ramsey maybe.

Yep something like that is what I’d do and have Doug and Kamara sitting in midfield.

Doug and Kamara sitting in a field? Yeah, I can see that.

Taking in some chilled vibes, taking it slow.....
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
Objection - the tread starter is clearly biased and leading the witnesses.




Overruled. Leading questions are permitted in cross examination.

Goddammit...is this true?  :(
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2022, 09:19:02 PM
Watkins and Ings were dreadful today. The problem wasn't possession against West Ham, it was having that pair of no marks up front. I'd cheerfully never see either of them in a Villa shirt again.

So my verdict is....Archer. And buy somebody else.

Agreed but midfield is a mess so all strikers will struggle until that's addressed. I always think with Watkins that if the opponent drops deep he is a waste of space. His touch and lack of guile makes him look second rate.

Ings is a good footballer but is the classic poor fit signing for us. We should be trying to sell him at the first opportunity.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 07:02:10 PM
Looks like it's Watkins in a front 3 with Buendia and Bailey supporting tonight.
I think the balance is good just having one central striker and the right support around him away from home can work wonders.
We saw that in first five minutes Vs Palace
Seems it's that approach again but need for whole 90mins
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2022, 09:05:53 AM
May as well give Archer a go for now. I hope that our next manager can get more out of at least one of Watkins or Ings, they've generally been atrocious since he turned up (and the few months before). But neither of them are bad players or at an age where they should definitely be past it.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2022, 11:21:32 AM
Archer.

I'm done with the other two. The most boring strikers ever, snooze fest central.
Title: Re: Starting Striker(s)
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
It doesn't matter who we pick, no one believes in this charlatan of a manager. The squad are all over the place.
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