Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 24, 2022, 08:10:19 PM
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Takes place tonight approx 9.45 following the conclusion of Tranmere Rovers v Newcastle United.
Take your pick in the second greatest cup competition in the world.
Draw numbers are as follows:
1 AFC Bournemouth
2 Arsenal
3 Aston Villa
4 Blackburn Rovers
5 Brentford
6 Burnley
7 Charlton Athletic
8 Chelsea
9 Crawley Town
10 Crystal Palace
11 Derby County
12 Everton
13 Gillingham
14 Leicester City
15 Lincoln City
16 Liverpool
17 Manchester City
18 Manchester United
19 Milton Keynes Dons
20 Morecambe
21 Newport County
22 Nottingham Forest
23 Sheffield Wednesday
24 Southampton
25 Stevenage
26 Tottenham Hotspur
27 West Ham United
28 Wolverhampton Wanderers
29 Brighton & Hove Albion
30 Dirty Leeds
31 Newcastle United
32 Bristol City
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I reckon Brentford away.
And I can guess how that ends.
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Wolves.
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Lincoln at home
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I'd like Tranmere at home but it will probably be Arsenal away.
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Stevenage at home
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I think it will be Wolves at home.
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Chelsea away
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A shit away draw. Probably Man City.
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A shit away draw. Probably Man City.
Nah, we tend to save those kind of ties for the FA Cup.
Home against League One or League Two opposition.
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Hopefully somewhere where we’ll get a few tickets and I might get a chance of going, Sheffield Wednesday perhaps?
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I’d quite like Lincoln at home, that would be decent.
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Round Three – w/c 7 November 2022
Why the big gap until the next round ?
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Man City I reckon.
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Round Three – w/c 7 November 2022
Why the big gap until the next round ?
Truncated European season due to World Cup means a lack of available midweek dates. We have Man U the Sunday before so our game will be on the Wednesday (9th November).
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Ball. Number 3? 3? It's a disgrace.
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We've been ball number three in the FA Cup Third Round draw for the last nine years.
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Round Three – w/c 7 November 2022
Why the big gap until the next round ?
Truncated European season due to World Cup means a lack of available midweek dates. We have Man U the Sunday before so our game will be on the Wednesday (9th November).
Probably draw Man Utd then or Brighton who we play the next game. That coincidence of facing a team that are also scheduled for a league fixture in the same week can be an occurrence on occasions
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Literally anybody at home.
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We've been ball number three in the FA Cup Third Round draw for the last nine years.
Is that how long I've been pissed off at it for? Blimey.
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We've been ball number three in the FA Cup Third Round draw for the last nine years.
Is that how long I've been pissed off at it for? Blimey.
Worse still, Arsenal have won the cup four times since inheriting our cursed ball number two.
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We've been ball number three in the FA Cup Third Round draw for the last nine years.
Is that how long I've been pissed off at it for? Blimey.
Worse still, Arsenal have won the cup four times since inheriting our cursed ball number two.
I guess even ball 2 wasn't exactly lucky for us...
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Wolves
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Round Three – w/c 7 November 2022
Why the big gap until the next round ?
And how about this.
I heard that round 4 is the week after the World Cup final.
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Round Three – w/c 7 November 2022
Why the big gap until the next round ?
Keeping our season alive
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Gillingham at Home.
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Not Palace away. I’m begging.
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Also let's hope other premier league clubs get drawn against each other.
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When's the draw, they said 10 minutes after Newcastle match had ended!
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They're squeezing in another advert.
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Man City will get Stevenage or Morecambe at home.
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Who's the quickest to post the draw ?
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Villa drawn away to Man Utd.
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Fuck off.
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How is that fucking possible?
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Fuck off
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FFS!
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Hahahahahaha
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Haha ha ha
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No feckin way.
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Villa drawn away to Man Utd.
Cd ! You are the winner!
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FFS!!!!
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Our last four cup draws in which leading clubs were eligible: Man Utd (a), Man Utd (a), Chelsea (a), Liverpool (h) (entire squad got Covid).
Women's last cup draw was Man City.
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The c***s have fucking magnets on those two balls.
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Although the Meaning Evil live seems to have a different club in mind.
Villa are out of the hat
City will face Manchester United away in the third round of the Carabao Cup.
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Round Three – w/c 7 November 2022
Why the big gap until the next round ?
Truncated European season due to World Cup means a lack of available midweek dates. We have Man U the Sunday before so our game will be on the Wednesday (9th November).
Probably draw Man Utd then or Brighton who we play the next game. That coincidence of facing a team that are also scheduled for a league fixture in the same week can be an occurrence on occasions
And there it is!
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That’s a piss take. Complete piss take
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Worry not, we owe them one
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Oh well. We will have to do it the hard way. Away to Man U before the next round where we are drawn away to Barcelona.
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Edited - posted nonsense as usual
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Fuck off football
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I don't believe it.
Bloody Ratface.
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At least we know we’ll be on the telly!
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Well we avoided one of the top teams then.
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Good draw. Local, ground will.be half empty and they'll play the stiffs while we won't. 4th round here we come.
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Man United twice in a week again.
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Maguire probably will play and Casimero will be rested so can get at that defence
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It's Man U v Villa in the cup. We will lose.
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This is beyond a fuckin joke.
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Are Yanited in Europe this season? If not, they might take this more seriously.
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My plea for plenty of away tickets may have been answered.
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They're in the Europa League.
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>:(It's Man U v Villa in the cup. We will lose.
Especially as officials never get the offside decisions right there! >:(
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Why the hell do we keep getting drawn against Man Utd I can't believe it again at least we will get a good allocation.
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A shit away draw. Probably Man City.
Only a few miles out.
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>:(It's Man U v Villa in the cup. We will lose.
Especially as officials got can't get their offside decisions right there! >:(
Yep. Beaten or cheated, same result. We go out.
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Wow. A chance for them to be giant-killers.
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Hears draw. *Chucks MacBook against wall*
Tbh as soon as I heard them drawn at home I had that sinking feeling.
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1-0 down ten minutes left. Equalise. Celebrations for five minutes. Then gets called back to find an infringement from two attacks previous where their goalkeeper was breathed on. No goal.
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Would have been a good time to get an easy draw as some big ties already.
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This could be the first time we'll beat Man United twice in a matter of days.
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Nah come on, we're having these Manc rats.
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You couldn’t make this up, ffs
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Are Yanited in Europe this season? If not, they might take this more seriously.
They play the midweek before so it will be Sunday-Wednesday double header.
I'd love to see the combined odds for this, feels like we've now played them about 7 times in 3rd round of both domestic cups in last 20 years.
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This could be the first time we'll beat Man United twice in a matter of days.
*Cough* 1992. We also beat them twice in two days in 1954 (our last double over them).
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Nah come on, we're having these Manc rats.
Of course we aren't.
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Properly ridiculous. I hate having to play this lot the regulation twice a season without adding bullshit fixes at their place into the equation.
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Is the league game at OT too? Didn't we play them consecutively in January aswell? I hate them!
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My plea for plenty of away tickets may have been answered.
Judging by last season it'll be 3000 or so at £30 or 5000 at circa £3m each.
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Just seen the draw and that's probably the loudest I've laughed out loud ever. No surprises at all. There's something going on as this can't be normal.
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Instead of guess the goal are we having guess what minute there's a shocker of a decision?
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Is the league game at OT too? Didn't we play them consecutively in January aswell? I hate them!
League game at Villa, presumably on the Sunday (6th November). League Cup game up there, most likely the Wednesday (9th November).
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We know the officials will make it happen for them. Send the kids out to play or just withdraw from the competition whenever this draw happens. It's absolutely pointless.
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Nah come on, we're having these Manc rats.
Of course we aren't.
Michael Oliver bound to be the ref and will give them their obligatory helping hand.
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Instead of guess the goal are we having guess what minute there's a shocker of a decision?
I'll go Villa goal 63 minutes.
Shocking decision is when said goal is disallowed seventeen minutes later after replay shows that one of our players didn't have his shirt tucked in during the warm up.
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This could be the first time we'll beat Man United twice in a matter of days.
I feel like the word ‘could’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence.
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Instead of guess the goal are we having guess what minute there's a shocker of a decision?
Could be an opportunity for a bespoke bonus for this fixture!
I’ll have a think.
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It's literally untrue anyway.
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The third-round ties will take place from 8-10 November.
Full draw:
Leicester v Newport County
West Ham v Blackburn
Wolves v Dirty Leeds
Nottingham Forest v Tottenham
Manchester United v Aston Villa
Bournemouth v Everton
Liverpool v Derby
Burnley v Crawley
Bristol City v Lincoln
Manchester City v Chelsea
Stevenage v Charlton
MK Dons v Morecambe
Newcastle v Crystal Palace
Southampton v Sheffield Wednesday
Arsenal v Brighton
Brentford v Gillingham
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Given we played them in pre season and we still have our FA Cup game against them too, we’d have played them 5 times this season.
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As long as there is a sun in the sky, Man U will be drawn against us every year.
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Anyway, I’m calling it now, we’ll win this. We’ll go strong and they’ll play bluenose Chong and Hannibal and Robbie Savages lad.
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As long as there is a sun in the sky, Man U will be drawn against us every year.
And nobody will question why this keeps happening. The odds (particularly in the FA Cup third round) must be quite ridiculous really.
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Oh well, onto the FA Cup it is for us. The VAR cameras there are put in strange positions up there. Witness their offside goal on Monday night which was allowed after about 3 seconds!
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Man City v Chelsea, somebody's made a cock up.
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Oh well, onto the FA Cup it is for us. The VAR cameras there are put in strange positions up there. Witness their offside goal on Monday night which was allowed after about 3 seconds!
I recorded and watched that game yesterday. I though it was just me that thought that. Surely the lines on the pitch made it obvious. Have I missed something?
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Anyway, I’m calling it now, we’ll win this. We’ll go strong and they’ll play bluenose Chong and Hannibal and Robbie Savages lad.
It doesn't matter who they play, dross like Macheda and Robins turned into Pele the second they played against us.
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Man City v Chelsea, somebody's made a cock up.
Chelsea will get that re-drawn. They asked for Morecambe at home again.
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I predict 56 minutes for the obligatory penalty
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Un-believable
Seriously - the odds of us getting drawn against them so early in same many cup rounds is must be astranomical
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Hears draw. *Chucks MacBook against wall*
Tbh as soon as I heard them drawn at home I had that sinking feeling.
Macbook - someones doing well :-)
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Amazing as this may seem, this is the only time we have played them at Old Trafford in the League Cup.
So, only two League Cup games at Old Trafford ever. Both great games in our history.
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Amazing as this may seem, this was last time we played them at Old Trafford in the League Cup.
But not our last League Cup game at Old Trafford...
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What a surprise drawn away as usual to one of the top six It has to be rigged Honestly can not remember the last cup match i saw at Villa Park ,was it Leicester in the semi final?
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
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Plus the lucky losers the year they ditched the FA.
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If he played full strength at Bolton, our best eleven will surely be out there. I can’t say the same for United.
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Plus the lucky losers the year they ditched the FA.
We wouldn't have drawn them that year.
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What a surprise drawn away as usual to one of the top six It has to be rigged Honestly can not remember the last cup match i saw at Villa Park ,was it Leicester in the semi final?
Why would it be rigged? If 'they' wanted Man Utd to go through, 'they' would draw them against Lincoln. If 'they' wanted us to go through, 'they' would draw us against Lincoln. If 'they' wanted one of us to go out, what the fuck are 'they' thinking?
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It's not rigged. It's random. Statistically biased with regards to permutations and combinations, but still random.
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We would only end up losing to Lincoln and the blazers' clandestine betting consortium would implode.
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Our last home draws were Stoke (LC) and Liverpool (FAC) in 20/21. We lost both.
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Well, we weren't exactly hugely lucky with the timing of that Liverpool game...
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
I think we actually drew them in the third round of the FA Cup in 2000 as well but they couldn't play because of the World Club Cup thingy. Can anyone verify this?
There's something wrong with the FA Cup third round draw. This is statistically surely a major anomaly and nobody even talks about it.
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That’s true we played Darlo the lucky losers I think.
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What a surprise drawn away as usual to one of the top six It has to be rigged Honestly can not remember the last cup match i saw at Villa Park ,was it Leicester in the semi final?
I remember the Leicester semi final at VP quite vividly, sad to say. Tim Flowers conducting the Holte singing "boring, boring, Leicester" is one of several dismal recollections.
Years later, I am sure I sat in the Lower Witton Lane for a cup game against Sheffield United, then managed by Nigel Clough. That was ghastly.
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
I think we actually drew them in the third round of the FA Cup in 2000 as well but they couldn't play because of the World Club Cup thingy. Can anyone verify this?
There's something wrong with the FA Cup third round draw. This is statistically surely a major anomaly and nobody even talks about it.
Why would anyone talk about it? What would they say?
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Drawn eight times to them and i bet we lost all eight
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It's not rigged. It's random. Statistically biased with regards to permutations and combinations, but still random.
Blimey when did Alan Turing join this forum?
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
I think we actually drew them in the third round of the FA Cup in 2000 as well but they couldn't play because of the World Club Cup thingy. Can anyone verify this?
As I recall the lucky losers were the last ball out. Man United would have been ball 23 or 24, something like that. We wouldn't have drawn them. Man U would have drawn whoever the next top two divisions team in the alphabet (Middlesbrough) got, which was Wrexham away.
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
I think we actually drew them in the third round of the FA Cup in 2000 as well but they couldn't play because of the World Club Cup thingy. Can anyone verify this?
There's something wrong with the FA Cup third round draw. This is statistically surely a major anomaly and nobody even talks about it.
Why would anyone talk about it? What would they say?
Yeah, okay. Wake up Sheeple.
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What a surprise drawn away as usual to one of the top six It has to be rigged Honestly can not remember the last cup match i saw at Villa Park ,was it Leicester in the semi final?
I remember the Leicester semi final at VP quite vividly, sad to say. Tim Flowers conducting the Holte singing "boring, boring, Leicester" is one of several dismal recollections.
Years later, I am sure I sat in the Lower Witton Lane for a cup game against Sheffield United, then managed by Nigel Clough. That was ghastly.
He means the 2020 semi, not the 0-0 2000 one.
They were boring as fuck in 2000 though. Mind you, we weren't much better by then under JG.
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2 thoughts.
We normally do ok against them in the League Cup so not too worried on that score.
Message to the Villa ticket office. Take the maximum allocation please.
You saw what happened yesterday against Bolton, we’d sell out at whatever maximum level we’d be entitled to. I don’t care if it’s £50 a ticket, take the fucking allocation. I know at least 5 people who are only members who’d go to this if they could.
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Be nice if we ever get a decent allocation for a weekend game. All the workshy toerags who get to go to Bolton and Man U midweek will be ahead of me in the away queue now, too. ☹️
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We barely sold out the smaller FAC allocation. If they are twats over the prices again then there's no chance we'll sell the larger allocation.
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Man City v Chelsea, somebody's made a cock up.
It was Aldridge and Barnes doing the draw. So not sure cock up is how they'd describe it...
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
I think we actually drew them in the third round of the FA Cup in 2000 as well but they couldn't play because of the World Club Cup thingy. Can anyone verify this?
There's something wrong with the FA Cup third round draw. This is statistically surely a major anomaly and nobody even talks about it.
Why would anyone talk about it? What would they say?
It’s quite a bit of an anomaly, don’t you think? Is there any other like in the same round of a cup? Considering we get the whole “they (insert name) haven’t beaten (insert name) in 50 years” when the two insert name teams have only played each other once in that period, this anomaly just seems to pass people by.
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This isn't normal getting them in the 3rd round so fecking often.
LC 3rd Round 1992
LC 3rd round 1999
FAC 3rd round 2002
FAC 3rd round 2004
FAC 3rd round 2007
FAC 3rd round 2008
FAC 3rd round 2022
LC 3rd round 2022
I think we actually drew them in the third round of the FA Cup in 2000 as well but they couldn't play because of the World Club Cup thingy. Can anyone verify this?
There's something wrong with the FA Cup third round draw. This is statistically surely a major anomaly and nobody even talks about it.
Why would anyone talk about it? What would they say?
It’s quite a bit of an anomaly, don’t you think? Is there any other like in the same round of a cup? Considering we get the whole “they (insert name) haven’t beaten (insert name) in 50 years” when the two insert name teams have only played each other once in that period, this anomaly just seems to pass people by.
It's because nobody cares who plays who in the third round of a cup. We have no idea whether it's anomalous, because we don't care who other teams play in the third round of a cup.
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It's not rigged. It's random. Statistically biased with regards to permutations and combinations, but still random.
Blimey when did Alan Turing join this forum?
Would you like me to make it a little simpler for you? Shit happens.
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It's not rigged. It's random. Statistically biased with regards to permutations and combinations, but still random.
Blimey when did Alan Turing join this forum?
Would you like me to make it a little simpler for you? Shit happens.
Thank you. That's my level.
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We barely sold out the smaller FAC allocation. If they are twats over the prices again then there's no chance we'll sell the larger allocation.
Disagree, the ticket office bottled it last January.
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If the smaller cheaper allocation had flown out i'd maybe agree, but it didn't. So there's no logic that we'd have sold thousands more with all tickets costing more.
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It’s statistics. It’s random. It happens.
Just accept it.
Everything else is just crazy Trump “we were cheated” conspiracy talk.
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I don't mind playing them but I don't like playing them when the rules for each team aren't the same.
As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR will work in their favour, as we saw on Monday night.
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maybe new manager bounce 👀
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As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR Fergie in the stand with graph paper and pencil will work in their favour,
VAR is not used until semi final stage.
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As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR Fergie in the stand with graph paper and pencil will work in their favour,
VAR is not used until semi final stage.
Plenty of time before the tie to alter the rules....
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Sometimes you just have to laugh.
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I know at least 5 people who are only members who’d go to this if they could.
What do you mean only members?
Cheeky scoundrel. I can't go but all the same. Harrumph!
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At least it give Stevie G a chance to endear himself to us!
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As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR Fergie in the stand with graph paper and pencil will work in their favour,
VAR is not used until semi final stage.
That just gives the onfield ref license then doesn't it. "If VAR was used that would have stood that Ings goal"
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So we will play them twice between 7 and 10th November, I am guessing the league game will be on the Saturday and the cup game Tuesday or Wednesday?
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I’m actually more bored with it than pissed off
But I am pissed of as well to be fair
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As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR Fergie in the stand with graph paper and pencil will work in their favour,
VAR is not used until semi final stage.
I suppose that depends on who is in the semi-final? Surely if our friends in Small Heath somehow make it to that stage (and I know to ease their fixtures this season they have selected to get knocked out) than VAR can piss in the wind.
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As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR Fergie in the stand with graph paper and pencil will work in their favour,
VAR is not used until semi final stage.
That just gives the onfield ref license then doesn't it. "If VAR was used that would have stood that Ings goal"
Errr...you need to explain this as I am not sure what you are on about?
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As soon as the draw was made you know that a combination of cowardly officiating and VAR Fergie in the stand with graph paper and pencil will work in their favour,
VAR is not used until semi final stage.
That just gives the onfield ref license then doesn't it. "If VAR was used that would have stood that Ings goal"
Errr...you need to explain this as I am not sure what you are on about?
I think Ings looked marginally offside from the through ball before he took it on and the keeper brought him down.
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He means we will be dicked either way I think.
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I’m actually more bored with it than pissed off
But I am pissed of as well to be fair
I'm actually bored, pissed off, suspicious of the draw procedure, suspicious of the League, suspicious that Carabao is owned by Man Yoo fans, and generally paranoid that everybody is out to get us to be fair.
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Absolute givens for this tie:
Man Utd will get a penalty
Referee will be blind to every bit of Man Utd's shithousery
Fernandes will be a cheating, rat faced twat
Man Utd will win
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Shocking decision is when said goal is disallowed seventeen minutes later after replay shows that one of our players didn't have his shirt tucked in during the warm up.
Genuinely LOLed
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If the smaller cheaper allocation had flown out i'd maybe agree, but it didn't. So there's no logic that we'd have sold thousands more with all tickets costing more.
The FAC game being moved to Monday night and being on the BBC probably didn't help with selling tickets.
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So we will play them twice between 7 and 10th November, I am guessing the league game will be on the Saturday and the cup game Tuesday or Wednesday?
They're playing in Europe on the Thursday before our league meeting, so our meetings will likely be on Sunday and Wednesday.
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If the smaller cheaper allocation had flown out i'd maybe agree, but it didn't. So there's no logic that we'd have sold thousands more with all tickets costing more.
The FAC game being moved to Monday night and being on the BBC probably didn't help with selling tickets.
Plus it was just after Xmas.
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maybe new manager bounce 👀
I hope not, as it might mean they've brought Poch in to replace ETH.
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This draw moves them to equal top for both cups.
Highest number of cup ties (not games played, just the tie so to not include replays, home and away legs just classed as one etc).
League Cup ties:
7 - Leeds United
7 - Manchester United
6 - Leicester City
6 - Queen's Park Rangers
6 - West Bromwich Albion
6 - West Ham United
5 - Birmingham City
5 - Burnley
5 - Chelsea
5 - Manchester City
5 - Norwich City
5 - Tottenham Hotspurs
FA Cup ties:
13 - Manchester United
13 - West Bromwich Albion
11 - Arsenal
11 - Derby County
11 - Tottenham Hotspurs
9 - Burnley
9 - Liverpool
9 - Manchester City
9 - Nottingham Forest
9 - Notts County
8 - Blackburn Rovers
8 - Everton
8 - Sunderland
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Fantastic stats.
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Full list here, see if you spot the outlier:
(https://i.ibb.co/JCJDHwD/Breakdown.png) (https://ibb.co/JCJDHwD)
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Aston Unity?
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
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Aston Unity?
I've done both the FA Cup and League Cup.
Follow the grid system, played them in the 3rd round of the FA Cup (in the early 1880s)
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
Played them in the semi final of the FA Cup in 1887. Its the last time a Scottish side was aloud the play in the English FA Cup.
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
Played them in the semi final of the FA Cup in 1887. Its the last time a Scottish side was aloud the play in the English FA Cup.
Strangely I switched the TV on about half an hour ago and there was something on (Escape To The Country I think) where they were in Horncastle in Lincolnshire. The only thing I knew about Horncastle is we knocked them out of the FA Cup on the way to winning it in 1887. This led to me looking it up to check which round (5th round) and that in turn led me to this report on the semi against Rangers which was played in Crewe.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VGZEAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9LEMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3380,5315567
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
Played them in the semi final of the FA Cup in 1887. Its the last time a Scottish side was aloud the play in the English FA Cup.
I know, I was suggesting it was an outlier as it was the only time we played a professional Scottish team in either cup. :)
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
Played them in the semi final of the FA Cup in 1887. Its the last time a Scottish side was aloud the play in the English FA Cup.
I know, I was suggesting it was an outlier as it was the only time we played a professional Scottish team in either cup. :)
I wonder what became of them?
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We're winning this. The 'big' clubs don't give a shit until the semi's. I know that doesn't stop shit refereeing but I fancy it. This optimism feels strange*
*They'll beat us 6-0 in the league.
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
Played them in the semi final of the FA Cup in 1887. Its the last time a Scottish side was aloud the play in the English FA Cup.
I know, I was suggesting it was an outlier as it was the only time we played a professional Scottish team in either cup. :)
I wonder what became of them?
Dunno, last I heard they took a bit of a pasting at an away tie in Stalingrad.
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Full list here, see if you spot the outlier:
(https://i.ibb.co/JCJDHwD/Breakdown.png) (https://ibb.co/JCJDHwD)
Great work. No idea on the outlier
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Is it going to be something like Lincoln City, a side we've never played in a cup?
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(Glasgow) Rangers?
Played them in the semi final of the FA Cup in 1887. Its the last time a Scottish side was aloud the play in the English FA Cup.
I know, I was suggesting it was an outlier as it was the only time we played a professional Scottish team in either cup. :)
*The Birmingham Daily Post*
Monday, 7 March 1887
Scotland’s last hope of winning the English Cup has have now fled. The combination team which met the Aston Villa on Saturday under the cognomen of the Glasgow Rangers, fighting hard, were yet forced to submit to the prowess of the Midland team.
The Crewe Alexandra ground was the arena in which the great combat was waged, and in the early stages of the English Cup competition the Rangers were lightly though of, and little was it imagined that they would reach the semi-final tie.
Their deeds were eclipsed by the achievements of two clubs greater than they - namely, Queen’s Park and Renton - and the canny Scots looked to one of these two clubs to bring the cup over the border. But when both succumbed to the Preston North End, every effort was made to strengthen the Rangers, and the report quickly went forth that the finest players in Scotland had been enrolled in the ranks of that club to make a last despairing bid for victory.
The strikingly miscellaneous team that played Aston Villa on Saturday comprised players from the Hibernians, Vale of Leven, Queen’s Park, and Dumbarton. One quality only did this team lack to make it one of the finest in the United Kingdom, and that was the combination which comes from a longer experience by the players of each other’s powers and style.
As eleven individual players the Rangers surpassed the Villa, but as a while the latter team were far and away the better. Exclusive of Saturday’s match, the Rangers throughout the competition have scored thirteen goals against four, whilst the Villa have obtained thirty four goals as compared with eight goals scored by their opponents.
Both teams has been in active preparation for the game, and when the Rangers arrived in Crewe on Friday night they were all looking fit and well. The Villa team have for one past week been trained at Holt Fleet, near Droitwich, to which place they have several times journeyed, and tested the efficacy of brine baths.
They arrived in Birmingham from Worcester shortly after eleven o’clock on Saturday morning, and were received by a number of their admirers. A saloon carriage was attached to the 12 o’clock express to Crewe and as the train steamed out of the New Street Station three hearty cheers were given.
The weather in Birmingham was most uninviting, but when the train arrived at Crewe the sun was shining brightly.
At about two o’clock the gates of the football ground were thrown open, and there was soon a good sprinkling of spectators present. The numbers were gradually augmented until three o’clock, by which time there were about five thousand persons assembled, and then the game commenced this number had doubled itself, the Birmingham contingent being about four thousand strong.
The field is a magnificent one, being very level, and the turf was in fine condition. The arrangements reflect great credit upon the local club, for they were perfect. Every spectator present was enabled to see the game by reason of there being a sloping bank of ashes all round the field - an arrangement well worthy of imitation by local clubs.
The Rangers were the first to put in an appearance, and their splendid physique excited much comment. They were shortly followed by the Villa, who were received with tremendous cheering, and it at once became evident that they were the more popular team. Indeed the Crewe people were, if we might use the term, Villa mad, and they actually went so far as to beg cards with “Play up Villa” on them, which they stuck in their hats, and of which they seemed very proud.
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Wheres the Villa vs. West Ham thread that's on Sunday.
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Wheres the Villa vs. West Ham thread that's on Sunday.
Feel free to start it. Don't forget the poll.
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Wheres the Villa vs. West Ham thread that's on Sunday.
Feel free to start it. Don't forget the poll.
Will cash do.
Bednarek hasn't signed yet.
I don't want to be the starter.
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Wheres the Villa vs. West Ham thread that's on Sunday.
Started it for you mate.
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Wheres the Villa vs. West Ham thread that's on Sunday.
Started it for you mate.
For us all!
Thanks!UTV !!
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Ah well!
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Have got the full allocation, 7,504 tickets at a more reasonable than last season £28 each.
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Why is this round so late? Usually R3 takes place, well, around now. I would've thought the Qatar World Cup would've lead to EFL Cup matches being brought forward as much as possible, not spread out beyond same
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Because the European games have been squeezed in extra early so that the Group Stages are completed before the World Cup starts, so there are no available midweek dates for the League Cup.
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7,500 tickets, be interesting to see if we sell them all
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Hope they get to general sale as I'm up for it as is my son who just happens to live in Stretford.
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When do tickets go on sale?
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When do tickets go on sale?
Online from 5pm today for ST holders with 1+ away league games from this season and from Thursday for ST holders. General sale with booking history from Thursday 6th October.
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£25 aren't they? Not bad. Think we will sell out.
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£25 aren't they? Not bad. Think we will sell out.
£28.
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When do tickets go on sale?
Online from 5pm today for ST holders with 1+ away league games from this season and from Thursday for ST holders. General sale with booking history from Thursday 6th October.
Thanks.
I can buy from Thursday for me and my lad, hopefully some still left.
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They are now on sale to season ticket holders and there is less than 700 left. Amazing take up and probably shows we should have took a higher allocation to the FA Cup game last season.
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Thanks for the reminder, I forgot last night so have quickly been on, running out fast as only two blocks left.
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Doesn't sound like much chance of tickets being left for members then, I was thinking it might be my best chance of getting an away ticket for a long time
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For anybody driving, https://www.yourparkingspace.co.uk/ has parking at Old Trafford Cricket Ground for less than £7. Certainly better and safer than the £10+ around the ground.
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Just checked and around 320 tickets left
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https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1575833161438662656?t=e4K0MXVi9TIKLumGYJC-pQ&s=19
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Just checked and around 320 tickets left
Flinstone will be furious!!
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Just checked and around 320 tickets left
AVFCSupport twitter account says that over 4000 sold and blocks only being released as others are sold out as per Man United's instructions - I think this'll go to us Members on Monday.
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Just checked and around 320 tickets left
AVFCSupport twitter account says that over 4000 sold and blocks only being released as others are sold out as per Man United's instructions - I think this'll go to us Members on Monday.
Cheers
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Sold out
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Just checked and around 320 tickets left
Flinstone will be furious!!
He keeps his grumbles for Villa Park games.
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The ones so far have sold out and we will be getting more, unless I've misunderstood the posts above?
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The ones so far have sold out and we will be getting more, unless I've misunderstood the posts above?
You are right cdbf. Further blocks to come for those eligible on Monday.
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Back on sale.
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They have just gone on general sale with booking history online. About 350 available.
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Any idea total number sold?
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Any idea total number sold?
There are 10 blocks showing with seats only available in two blocks now.(300 in the one and 30 in the other) Each blocks seems to have 700/800 seats so if the others are sold out and not being held back then 7,200 are sold..
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So are we sure the other eight blocks are sold and not being held back?
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They've gone sequentially up stairs. Likely 1300 left.
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Ta.
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Reminds me of Sid and Rambo days of 1988. What a beautifully crafted goal that was. Strachan lost the ball to start with which made it all the sweeter.
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Final block released and 785 left.
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Impressive stuff. Also, well done to Man U for getting them on sale nice and early.
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7387 sold. Last 113 left in the top part of E334.
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At least this should guarantee that Gerrard comes over after the game to salute the fans, even if we get hammered.
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At least this should guarantee that Gerrard comes over after the game to salute the fans, even if we get hammered.
why? - that's even if he's still at Villa.
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74 seats left.
7,500 for an away Carabou Cup match in midweek November, against a side that normally brushes us aside, with the match live on tv is extremely impressive.
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For comparison, and because I'm childish, last two Birmingham City HOME attendances in the competition...
4,783
6,199
And that's including away fans.
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74 seats left.
7,500 for an away Carabou Cup match in midweek November, against a side that normally brushes us aside, with the match live on tv is extremely impressive.
Add to that it’s akin to watching pig shit at the moment
still going though because I’m a massive twat
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For comparison, and because I'm childish, last two Birmingham City HOME attendances in the competition...
4,783
6,199
And that's including away fans.
Not a relevant comparison. If they had a match at OT or Anfield or Villa park about 10,000 will be there if allowed.
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We had 11k v Boro in 2018 LC and we'd only been down there 2 seasons.
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So our worst crowd in decades was pretty much the same as two of theirs combined...
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Add another 10 years of being shit like they've had and then lets imagine what our crowds would have been like.
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Many, many times better than theirs.
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Relative to what we usually do, we've been shit for 12 years, yet we're fantastically well supported. There's no equivocation with us and them, at all.
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74 seats left.
7,500 for an away Carabou Cup match in midweek November, against a side that normally brushes us aside, with the match live on tv is extremely impressive.
Chapeau to all going!
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Relative to what we usually do, we've been shit for 12 years, yet we're fantastically well supported. There's no equivocation with us and them, at all.
When we went down in the dark days of the 80's our average went up by a few hundred, to about 18,500. They were in the same division averaging 8,500, and they'd only gone down a year before us.
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Sold out. We'll smash these plastic ******.
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Sold out. We'll smash these plastic ******.
DISGRACE!
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Have got a spare for this if anyone needs, before I return it.
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If El mastero takes us through on Thursday then the fourth round will be our first match back after the world cup as it's 20th/21st December.
20/1 to win the league cup.
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I think a funeralling of these ****** is possible and desirable.
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I'm going Thursday, and I've just worked out I've only seen us lose there once in 5 visits, ironically when we had a much better team in the title run in in 1990.
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Same again as today please. Got a ticket for this and now I can't wait.
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Is there extra time in this or does it go straight to penalties?
No idea what team they're going to pick for this (can't imagine any of their world cup players will be that desperate to play in low priority competition for them) but if we can keep it tight I could easily see us forcing pens and then Emi can do the rest.
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I'm going Thursday, and I've just worked out I've only seen us lose there once in 5 visits, ironically when we had a much better team in the title run in in 1990.
Fantastic! More of same and bring your luck we'll be through to the next round and first game back after the world cup!
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I'm going Thursday, and I've just worked out I've only seen us lose there once in 5 visits, ironically when we had a much better team in the title run in in 1990.
Me too mate, might get chance to see you up there.
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Need a spare if anyone knows of one.
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Is there extra time in this or does it go straight to penalties?
No idea what team they're going to pick for this (can't imagine any of their world cup players will be that desperate to play in low priority competition for them) but if we can keep it tight I could easily see us forcing pens and then Emi can do the rest.
No extra time, straight to penalties if the can hold us.
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We're going to win this one as well.
FTF
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Cannot wait for this on Thursday. 7500 of us, make every voice count.
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Yep picking up the lad from school and off we go up the M6, can’t wait
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Roll on Thursday. Can't wait!
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Absolutely bring this on. We're going up there 7000 strong after just gubbing them.
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I really hope when we're 3 up there's a rousing chorus of "can we play you every week".
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Dendocker is cup tied so ideal game to bring Kamara back in for him. Maybe Young to come back in against his former team too. They will have Fernandes back anyway. Very interesting tactical setup, how we played today means we are vulnerable out wide so I'd expect Martial up front, Rashford left and Antony if fit on right.
To beat them twice in a week would be epic. No reason why we can't. We were robbed there last year.
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A rousing chorus of "you can stick your fucking hoodoo up your arse" is called for, we need to get right at them.