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Title: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 13, 2022, 02:30:26 PM
We won.  Still scrappy.  Work to do.  Kamara great. Oh and we need Tyrone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
Digne made it more nervy than it would have been but we're off and running.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2022, 02:32:09 PM
We look so much better with Emi on the pitch. Everton are awful, a concern to be hanging on at home to them. Still, 3 points in the bag, onwards and upwards hopefully.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Richard on August 13, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
Played some nice stuff at times. Love Mings. Everton really poor until the og.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2022, 02:32:38 PM
We were clearly a team who needed a win. Hopefully thatíll relax everyone now and we can start to play better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Scovilla on August 13, 2022, 02:33:24 PM
Relieved..Just relieved..
To all a good week end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 13, 2022, 02:34:26 PM
Grinded the result ..  we was ok yet some good performances in there like mings ,kamara,JJ ,cash ,bendia and Ings .  But it was bloody hot so got to take that into consideration.
Happy weekend
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2022, 02:35:11 PM
3 points. Ace. Mings looked everyone in the eye. Phil's a luxury so far. Digne in the news each game. Watkins made two but still uneasy with the banjo on goal. Ings did well. Buendia should start and Phil can have 15 minutes at the end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
That'll do. It's very quiet around here when we don't lose!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 13, 2022, 02:35:27 PM
That did not inspire confidence. Buendia has to start.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2022, 02:36:10 PM
Buendia needs to start.

He's our best player by a country mile, and you saw as soon as he came on, we started using the middle more, and he was always looking to create chances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2022, 02:36:14 PM
A win is a win is a win.

Not sure what Nanny McPhee is being paid for if that's going to be our approach to defending set pieces.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2022, 02:36:31 PM
Great 3 points.
Kamara looks class.
BUENDIA SIMPLY HAS TO START NEXT GAME. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2022, 02:37:37 PM
That did not inspire confidence. Buendia has to start.

Well I think we dominated, looked understandably nervy at the end, but dug in. Hopefully that will give the players and management confidence.

Kamara is class.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2022, 02:37:48 PM
Fear, horror, desperation, blood guts gore and grue. Standard Villa win in other words.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2022, 02:38:07 PM
Kamara,  JJ,  Buendia,  Cash all outstanding.

Mings and Chambers last 5 brilliant.

Carlos needs a bit of time.

Emi brilliant.

Ings and Watkins merged would be a hell of a player.

McGinn needs to seriously sharpen up for me
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2022, 02:38:11 PM
Joint top!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 13, 2022, 02:38:28 PM
Better.

Buendia should start next game.
Mings did very well.
Cash good.

Onwards.

Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
Coutinho and Chuck changed the game when they came on against Yanited in Jan.

Nice to have that calibre of sub.

But Buendia gives us more legs and energy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: manic-road on August 13, 2022, 02:39:55 PM
Needed the three points more than anything, sphincter muscles were twitching the last 8 minutes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 13, 2022, 02:40:29 PM
Nervy as fuck, but that should hopefully set us on our way. Still need to move the ball quicker and that's why Buendia needs to be the first name on the team sheet, preferably ahead of Coutinho, who slows us down.

Ings was very good. Kamara has clearly got bags of quality.

Cornalties appear to be back, for some reason. Hope that's not going to be a regular thing.

Anyway, three points from the early kick-off means I can finally enjoy a weekend. UTV!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on August 13, 2022, 02:40:59 PM
From my view on the Holte it was a poor team beating an even poorer team. Iím not sure what Gerrard is watching when he doesnít start Buendia. Same mistakes on repeat week after week. Watkins canít hit a barn door.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2022, 02:41:12 PM
Good first half, Kamara in control.
Second half scrappy until Emi came on. What a player!
Everton were poor but no surprise when you don't have strikers available. They huffed and puffed but I wasn't concerned, even at the end.

Michael Oliver is still a shockingly poor referee.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 13, 2022, 02:41:26 PM
I can enjoy my evening here now with alot of good sushi and whiskey.

Thank you, Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2022, 02:41:41 PM


Anyway, three points from the early kick-off means I can finally enjoy a weekend. UTV!

Amen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2022, 02:41:46 PM
Next game Iíd drop Watkins, McGinn and Phil.
Bring in Archer, Sanson and Buendia.

Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: CT Villan on August 13, 2022, 02:42:34 PM
We dominated for 80 minutes, then looked disjointed and nervy when Everton had a go at the end.

Still looking a little vulnerable from set pieces, but glad for the 3 points. Hopefully we can put a run together now and play with some confidence.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 13, 2022, 02:42:51 PM
Digne has scored  an OG for Villa whilst playing for Everton and now for Everton whien playing for Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2022, 02:43:27 PM
Joint top!

Negative goal difference. Gerrard still out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 13, 2022, 02:44:57 PM
We werenít brilliant but by far the better side and the score flattered Everton, who were very poor until Onana came on - he looks a player. Inthought 2 up top worked reasonably well today in terms of balance. If Watkins had more confidence we could have been out of sight and avoided the nervy ending. Apart from the sliced clearance that went for a corner instead of a throw - and it wasnít a serious mistake - Mings was flawless. Heíll have more difficult challenges, mind.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2022, 02:45:52 PM
Three more minutes and Everton would have equalised. We just couldn't cope with their route ones. Rondon winning it in the air and that new chap of theirs gobbling-up the second ball. Lampard will be kicking himself that he didn't go more direct earlier.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2022, 02:46:53 PM
Fear, horror, desperation, blood guts gore and grue. Standard Villa win in other words.

Or a PWS film review.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2022, 02:47:33 PM
I shit enough bricks in time added on to build an extension to my home. Thank fuck we won. We needed it. We are in need of a quality CM and a much more mobile and clinical forward. Cracking goal by Ings but he doesnít have 90 minutes in him to be a proper threat. And Ollie with 2 assists but as we all saw in the box heís not going to take us to where we want to go.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2022, 02:48:41 PM
I can enjoy my evening here now with alot of good sushi and whiskey.

Thank you, Villa.

Japanese whiskey as well, lucky bugger.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: nordenvillain on August 13, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
Next game Iíd drop Watkins, McGinn and Phil.
Bring in Archer, Sanson and Buendia.


I thought that Watkins worked his nuts off and made 2 goals. We must be a good team if we can drop a player after that statistic. I agree about the other 2 changes, Buendia has to start. I thought that Ramsey and Kamara were outstanding and Mings performed exactly as I thought he would. We'll need a different formation next week, Palace won't be as poor as Everton and we'll need to be more incisive.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: enigma on August 13, 2022, 02:51:14 PM
Next game Iíd drop Watkins, McGinn and Phil.
Bring in Archer, Sanson and Buendia.
You'd drop the guy with two assists today?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Villan82 on August 13, 2022, 02:51:26 PM
Something to build on. Onwards.

Watkins with two assists and Ings with a goal!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2022, 02:52:16 PM
Digne has scored  an OG for Villa whilst playing for Everton and now for Everton whien playing for Villa

Very nice.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2022, 02:54:56 PM
Kamara, Ramsey and Buendia give us energy in the centre of the park.

SJM gives us plenty of endeavor too, but we need a Neves-type to tie it all together. Someone a bit cuter in possession.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 13, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
According to SG, wee Emi is close to starting as he was struggling in preseason.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: serbentoflight on August 13, 2022, 02:58:59 PM
I'm glad Chambers plays for us, goes efficiently about his job when needed. I never get the sense he's going to let us down.  Did well again today
Fab squad player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: steamer on August 13, 2022, 02:59:14 PM
I thought, particular in first half we looked like conceding at every corner. Panic stations in defence,
Phil should not start, come on with fresh legs with 15 to go
Calls for McGinn not to start , Ehmm he is the captain.
Ings is a Pro who scores goals, Watkins 1st touch let him down again today.
3 points but not convincing, need a couple my quality additions.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 13, 2022, 03:00:17 PM
Good win.

Buendia has to play.
Countinho still looks unfit
Kamara is classy.
Mings fully committed.
Watkins great team play; awful in front of goal.
Ings does what he does. Good goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Villa Lew on August 13, 2022, 03:01:33 PM
Great to get the first win, Buendia MOM has to start next week, superb strike from Ings, on his day he's a quality striker, but haven't seen it enough so far in his Villa career, let's hope that changes this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: ROBBO on August 13, 2022, 03:02:40 PM
Ings best game so far, Buendia has to start and why cannot we defend corners? THREE POINTS.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 13, 2022, 03:07:54 PM
Looking at Phil's injury record I notice he missed 33 games in 20/21 with a meniscus injury.
I wonder if he's playing within himself as a result.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2022, 03:07:59 PM
Someone in the pub called Nanny McPhee a better-looking Jesus.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Stu on August 13, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
Apparently Gerrard and medical staff really worried about Diego Carlosís injury and he needs a scan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 13, 2022, 03:13:46 PM
I can enjoy my evening here now with alot of good sushi and whiskey.

Thank you, Villa.

Japanese whiskey as well, lucky bugger.

Haha, cheers fella. I hope you're well mate and can thoroughly enjoy your weekend now!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2022, 03:14:04 PM
Next game Iíd drop Watkins, McGinn and Phil.
Bring in Archer, Sanson and Buendia.
You'd drop the guy with two assists today?
I wouldnít give him a whole game if Buendia starts. I would rotate rotate Archer/Ings/Watkins. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: brontebilly on August 13, 2022, 03:15:40 PM
Didn't see the game but a very welcome three points after the circus last week. Two nice assists by Watkins.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rigadon on August 13, 2022, 03:18:29 PM
Just about deserved it against a poor Everton team.  Looked better when Buendia came on
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 13, 2022, 03:19:02 PM
Everton are doomed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 13, 2022, 03:22:18 PM
Maupay is on his way to Everton to save them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 13, 2022, 03:24:25 PM
Pleased with the 3 points! Mings back to his commanding best. Led that back line very well until last 5 when all sorts of sh*t was going off. Gave Cash and Digne b*ll*ckings when needed. He received a great reception off The Holte End.
Coutinho looked injured in the 1st half. Watkins ran his socks off and was knackered towards the end in high temps.
Midfield too static for me, but improved greatly when Buendia came on.
Stupid booking again from Young. Bench should have taken Cash off sooner,  when McGinn went over to them towards the end. They appeared in panic mode when calm heads were needed.
Everton are poor. We made it look harder than it needed to be.
Well done the Villa players!

 
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2022, 03:25:17 PM
They were sharper after Dele Alli came on but didnít deserve that goal, made for a very nervy last 10.

How Steven can leave Emi out now is beyond me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: martyn ellis on August 13, 2022, 03:29:46 PM
They were sharper after Dele Alli came on but didnít deserve that goal, made for a very nervy last 10.

How Steven can leave Emi out now is beyond me.
I have a feeling he won't, judging by his post-match comments.
Worrying reports on Diego carlos though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rory on August 13, 2022, 03:36:52 PM
They were sharper after Dele Alli came on but didnít deserve that goal, made for a very nervy last 10.

How Steven can leave Emi out now is beyond me.

I'd completely forgotten Dele Alli existed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Richard E on August 13, 2022, 03:39:07 PM
Kamara looks a fantastic signing.

We carried so much more threat once Buendia came on, he produced some lovely touches.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: andyh on August 13, 2022, 03:40:40 PM
A very welcome win, but we are we so shaky/nervy/indecisive when the ball is pinging in and around our box ?


Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2022, 03:59:31 PM
They were sharper after Dele Alli came on but didnít deserve that goal, made for a very nervy last 10.

How Steven can leave Emi out now is beyond me.
I have a feeling he won't, judging by his post-match comments.
Worrying reports on Diego carlos though.

What are the reports?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2022, 03:59:51 PM
Made hard work of the last ten minutes after a silly own goal straight after our second, gave them some momentum.  The changes from us also lost us a bit of control. Overall, we were patient and looked the better side. Still settling in to the new season. Work required in some areas. I still think we need an 8 and busy forward. Great to get three points however we play.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Paul.S on August 13, 2022, 04:00:08 PM
Kamara is just what weíve missed for years. Right place, right time and he uses it simply.
Coutinho struggled throughout but Buendia looked lively.
Ramsey had a very good second half.
We wasted some great opportunities to score another couple but a win is a win.
A lot more work to do, including defending set pieces.
If we want to challenge the top 7 we need another midfielder and a forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2022, 04:00:10 PM
Villa are bad for your health. I thought we were in total control until we scored our second, horrible last 10 mins, although Martinez was superb claiming a couple of corners.

As everyone else said Emi B has to start, heís busy, skillful and creates between the lines, brilliant player. I wonder if Coutinhio is playing with an injury as although i thought he had some nice touches, heís playing within himself.

I thought Mings was his magnificent best, Kamara is an absolute Rolls Royce of a player, looks a steal that kid. Contrary to some posters on here, i thought McGinn played well, was tenacious and was instrumental in the first goal. Ramsey played well in patches, particularly when Beundia came on. Up front, Ings played well and looked dangerous and Watkins worked really hard, he had to score when Bailey played him in, but i think a combination of low confidence and his legs had started going, didnít help. Chuffed with the result.

I was talking to a few Everton fans on way back to the car and they like Lampard, but think their current side is shite and they want to get Delli Alli out of their club.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Archieavfc on August 13, 2022, 04:05:47 PM
Our movement was terrible again until Buendia came on. Then with him trying to drive forward at all times the others started to move around finally.

Thought JJ did well and very happy for Mings.

Kamara is going to be something special.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: usav on August 13, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
Ramsay was man of the match
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: colin69 on August 13, 2022, 04:18:00 PM
Just got back. One things for sure we are so much better with Buendia on the pitch than without him. I was not impressed with him at all when he first came, but I hold my hands up heís completely won me over. Mings was great and was loving it at the end in front of the Holte End. I thought we dominated the second half but made life hard for ourselves at the end.
Anyway itís 3 points in the bag, roll on the next game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2022, 04:28:01 PM
Ramsay was man of the match second half, Kamara first half.

FTFY

As I mentioned on Match thread, Ramsey, Coutinho and Digne all playing within 5 yards of each other was a pointless exercise. As soon as Buendia came on we and especially Ramsey had more space to play.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2022, 04:29:26 PM
Apart from Ramsey giving the ball away just after they scored. Fucking hell JJ. Other than that he was very good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2022, 04:30:24 PM
Apart from Ramsey giving the ball away just after they scored. Fucking hell JJ. Other than that he was very good.

when he goes with the ball he is very impressive
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2022, 04:38:54 PM
Loved the 3 points always do so thank you Steven and boys. But bloody hell that was painful. Didnít see any rhyme or Rhythm in that display. It was far too much Southgate type of football. Fullbacks standing wide 20 yards in opposition half and tapping it back. Not sure what Steven is doing or where heís going.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2022, 04:42:20 PM
Loved the 3 points always do so thank you Steven and boys. But bloody hell that was painful. Didnít see any rhyme or Rhythm in that display. It was far too much Southgate type of football. Fullbacks standing wide 20 yards in opposition half and tapping it back. Not sure what Steven is doing or where heís going.

I believe this to be an incorrect analysis of todays performance .
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: dave shelley on August 13, 2022, 04:52:41 PM
Lifted my spirits for five minutes anyway but there's always some fucker wearing size elevens comes along and boots them half a mile back down the hill saying ' 'ave that Carlos!'.  Well done Villa, well pleased after last Saturday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: john e on August 13, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
Loved the 3 points always do so thank you Steven and boys. But bloody hell that was painful. Didnít see any rhyme or Rhythm in that display. It was far too much Southgate type of football. Fullbacks standing wide 20 yards in opposition half and tapping it back. Not sure what Steven is doing or where heís going.

The Southgate type football today only came from one team and it wasnít Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: MalcolmP on August 13, 2022, 05:00:05 PM
Ramsay was man of the match
no he wasn't , both Mings and Kamara were awesome for whole game, Ramsay played in patches. That  block by Mings near the end was magnificent and  a matchwinning one
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 13, 2022, 05:06:07 PM
Loved the 3 points always do so thank you Steven and boys. But bloody hell that was painful. Didnít see any rhyme or Rhythm in that display. It was far too much Southgate type of football. Fullbacks standing wide 20 yards in opposition half and tapping it back. Not sure what Steven is doing or where heís going.

Thought so too, mate.

Buendia should be the heartbeat of this team, and he will be. I want more from Digne, and for Cash to look up more often when putting crosses in.

Up the fucking Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2022, 05:06:58 PM
Thought it looked like two very ordinary teams first half, we didnít move the ball quickly enough and they were very dull.

Second half we upped the tempo, all 3 midfielders did very well and we looked completely in control when Buendia came on.

Very nervy last 5 mins, we really need to be able to defend route one balls a lot better than we did, they could have had 4 after we scored our second. And they were shit.

Good win but lots to improve on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: AV82EC on August 13, 2022, 05:19:19 PM
Thats better. Though the last 10 minutes was the most Villa thing ever.

Scores on the doors

Martinez - 8 not a huge amount to do but stood up well in those last few minutes with some key saves and time wasting.
Cash - 6 got forward well but caught a couple of times late on
Carlos - 7 very solid doesn't waste possession up until his late injury
Mings - 8.5 MoTM - superb
Digne - 5 thought our poorest performer defensively today though did get in some good attacking positions
Kamara - 8 wow this guy gives us something we've missed for years, very impressed
Ramsey - 7 started well faded out of the game then sprang to life second half, good ball carrying
McGinn - 7 ran himself ragged but his delivery into the box with time and space left a lot to be desired but better passing than the last few times Ive seen him
Coutinho - 7 - he does slow us down a bit but other than one misplaced pass he was tidy efficient and skilful on the ball.
Watkins - 7 - 2 assists, ran himself into the ground and whilst he's struggling in front of goal the workrate was phenomenal, he ran Tarkowski and Coady ragged.
Ings - 7 - goal good link up play and much better

Subs

Buendia - 8 - game changer from the bench absolutely brilliant and great goal
Chambers/Konsa/Young - 6 did what they needed to get us over the line
Bailey - 6 nice little cameo shame we couldn't have used his pace a bit more.

Gerrard - 7 set up was constructive, good subs (though a bit confused at the end) which goes to show if you have strength on your bench use it for the last 30 minutes it can change games. Its not quite clicking yet but I think with more fine tuning this team will grow and be more competitive.

Fans - 8 pretty good support today.

Overall, a good first home performance and something to build on for next week.

Oh and after 15 years of Smart Motorway Roadworks on the M6 from West Mids up to the North West, they've finally finished!! Hallelujah....   
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: DB on August 13, 2022, 05:25:12 PM
How much better with Buendia on, running between the lines, creating options. Watkins, hmmm.
On another note, crap service at bars in the Upper Trininty and build up / entrance  music is too loud.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2022, 05:27:50 PM
Very pleased with the result in a game we largely controlled until the 87th minute.

Felt first half the shape was still guilty of the midfield being too wide and not narrowing up for underlaps for either full back or creating space for them.

That said, the full backs were able to push on and put some crosses that were beyond the 18 yard line.

Coutinho didn't ever get into the game for me. He's got to.drop deeper at times into 8 or 6 and Emi coming on really helped us exert further control second half.

We should have scored a few more and Ollie wasted a few good opportunities to put Ings in or score himself.

Kamara was very impressive again, felt Mings did ok, although he misjudged a ball before the corner where the goal was disallowed.

The weather had a big impact in fairness. Incredibly warm and the tempo dropped, unsurprisingly. That said, Everton were poor and despite the panic at the end, we deserved to win. Everton will do very well to stay up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2022, 05:28:58 PM
build up / entrance  music is too loud.

Yup, this isnít the US of A. Turn it in and let the atmosphere build.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Legion on August 13, 2022, 05:38:10 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12672089/aston-villa-villa-cling-on-against-everton-for-first-win
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: rougegorge on August 13, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
Very pleased with the win and our improvement in the second half which was due to BuendŪa replacing Coutinho. Some people say that Coutinho can't play away from VP, but if he keeps that up he won't play at VP either.

Everton were not threatening until we switched to panic mode near the end and even then Watkins and Bailey could have sewn it up. To be fair, Watkins put a shift in and Ramsey drove us forward;  still not convinced by Digne.

MartŪnez kept a cool head whilst the defence panicked and also did his usual effective time wasting. We all turn a blind eye but we'd be going bonkers if it were the opposing keeper.
 
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 13, 2022, 05:41:35 PM
Every player was better than last week.
Of the key roles....Mings was as solid as is possible for him to be and formed a great partnership with Diego...Buendia was outstanding in his industry, vision and creativity... and Kamara is pure class. Even in difficult situations he made something positive happen and cleaned up all the mess created by others. What a player!
Great to get the win and 3 points on the board.
UTV!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 13, 2022, 06:36:43 PM
Today us something we can hopefully build on. Also someone mentioned the club were charging 90p for tap water. I didn't notice that though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: charleeco7 on August 13, 2022, 06:46:26 PM
Kamara superb, mings excellent, mcginn and Ramsey great in spells. Made it hard for ourselves but they were poor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Legion on August 13, 2022, 06:48:10 PM
Ramsay was man of the match
no he wasn't , both Mings and Kamara were awesome for whole game, Ramsay played in patches. That  block by Mings near the end was magnificent and  a matchwinning one

Agreed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Louzie0 on August 13, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
I am so looking forward to watching MOTD tonight!
Thanks, Villa.👍
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: darren woolley on August 13, 2022, 07:38:05 PM
I'm really happy with the three points I enjoyed it it was a really really hot day I was getting sun burn at the front of the Holte End but it was worth it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2022, 07:39:00 PM
Can anyone honestly say we look like we'll improve on our final position last season? Too early to tell but I just don't see much evidence of a consistently effective way of playing.

Far too disjointed and careless with the ball. The moments of skill and winning-space that a player in a Villa shirt does provide are rarely anticipated by a team-mate.

If Everton are going to be lucky to avoid relegation, shouldn't we be wiping the floor with them instead of clinging-on?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 13, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
Feels good to get the first three points in the bag.

Thought we were OK without being anything special but that was enough. Everton were really only a threat from set pieces.

Kamara was excellent, controlled the centre, Mings was fabulous. McGinn was tenacious and determined.

More to improve on for sure but great to acknowledge that after a win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 13, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
I thought we were much the better team but made it hard for ourselves in the last ten minutes. Not a stroll in the park but when is it? A win is a win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 13, 2022, 07:49:29 PM
Not sure there was a stand out man of the match but I thought Kamara, Mings and Carlos were all solid. Also thought Watkins had a good game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Astnor on August 13, 2022, 07:56:18 PM
Can anyone honestly say we look like we'll improve on our final position last season? Too early to tell but I just don't see much evidence of a consistently effective way of playing.

Far too disjointed and careless with the ball. The moments of skill and winning-space that a player in a Villa shirt does provide are rarely anticipated by a team-mate.

If Everton are going to be lucky to avoid relegation, shouldn't we be wiping the floor with them instead of clinging-on?
I did see only second half. I agree with all of these observations. As someone else said on here; it didnt fill me with confidence. As a team we totally lost it for rest of the game after we went two up against a poor Everton. Its a strange one, we have some good players and you should think Gerrard and his team should have trained them to something by now. McGinn might not the best cpt for this ship either but that dont count for much of hte overall team-performance and good player he can be though. Can only hope it click together the right way sooner or later.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Londonvilla on August 13, 2022, 08:10:48 PM


Aston Villa 2 Everton 1: How Gerrard beat Lampard

10 out of 10 for this video which also explains why we are not seeing the best from McGinn and Ramsey, and why we can't keep the ball.

No more bagel football, please SG let's play our midfielders in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2022, 08:25:12 PM
Good that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: gpbarr on August 13, 2022, 08:26:17 PM
Positives: the 3 points, Kamara was a class above, Ings doing what Ings does, JJ much improved on last week, Mings showed why we missed him last week, Buendia showed why he should be starting.

Negatives: Gerrardís selection, Coutinho a passenger. Watkins in front of goal, Diegoís injury.

Onwards, but had Buendia been on the pitch instead Coutinho, we would have won that game much more comfortably. How many chances is Coutinho going to get - either Gerrard has to find a way to get them both on the pitch or the talk about form/competition is nonsense when it comes to his star signing.

Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2022, 08:37:14 PM
Positives: the 3 points, Kamara was a class above, Ings doing what Ings does, JJ much improved on last week, Mings showed why we missed him last week, Buendia showed why he should be starting.

Negatives: Gerrardís selection, Coutinho a passenger. Watkins in front of goal, Diegoís injury.

Onwards, but had Buendia been on the pitch instead Coutinho, we would have won that game much more comfortably. How many chances is Coutinho going to get - either Gerrard has to find a way to get them both on the pitch or the talk about form/competition is nonsense when it comes to his star signing.


I thought we looked ok today - much better when Emi came on.

Kamara looks really good - always showing for the ball and reads the game so well.

Thought JJ was good, Carlos looked good hope heís not injured for long.  mings looked good too - weíre def better with him in the team. One of Ings best games for us after a quiet start

They were awful upfront - for obvious reasons. 

Itís something to build on - still lots of questions to answer.  Like how we can either take  or defend a corner, and also how we get our forward play to work slicker. 

Emi Phil and Bailey are probably our best players but have to say Ings and Watkins worked.  Hopefully confidence will be built and onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2022, 08:49:54 PM
They were sharper after Dele Alli came on but didnít deserve that goal, made for a very nervy last 10.

How Steven can leave Emi out now is beyond me.

I'd completely forgotten Dele Alli existed.
So has he
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2022, 08:54:28 PM
Can anyone honestly say we look like we'll improve on our final position last season? Too early to tell but I just don't see much evidence of a consistently effective way of playing.

Far too disjointed and careless with the ball. The moments of skill and winning-space that a player in a Villa shirt does provide are rarely anticipated by a team-mate.

If Everton are going to be lucky to avoid relegation, shouldn't we be wiping the floor with them instead of clinging-on?

Think both worselves and Everton will have different personnel by the end of the window. If we find that elusive 8 and (ideally) another option up top we should improve on last year.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2022, 09:07:21 PM
build up / entrance  music is too loud.

Yup, this isnít the US of A. Turn it in and let the atmosphere build.
100% - canít talk before the game and the music is shit or im old - either way - not happy
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2022, 09:13:14 PM
Thats better. Though the last 10 minutes was the most Villa thing ever.

Scores on the doors

Martinez - 8 not a huge amount to do but stood up well in those last few minutes with some key saves and time wasting.
Cash - 6 got forward well but caught a couple of times late on
Carlos - 7 very solid doesn't waste possession up until his late injury
Mings - 8.5 MoTM - superb
Digne - 5 thought our poorest performer defensively today though did get in some good attacking positions
Kamara - 8 wow this guy gives us something we've missed for years, very impressed
Ramsey - 7 started well faded out of the game then sprang to life second half, good ball carrying
McGinn - 7 ran himself ragged but his delivery into the box with time and space left a lot to be desired but better passing than the last few times Ive seen him
Coutinho - 7 - he does slow us down a bit but other than one misplaced pass he was tidy efficient and skilful on the ball.
Watkins - 7 - 2 assists, ran himself into the ground and whilst he's struggling in front of goal the workrate was phenomenal, he ran Tarkowski and Coady ragged.
Ings - 7 - goal good link up play and much better

Subs

Buendia - 8 - game changer from the bench absolutely brilliant and great goal
Chambers/Konsa/Young - 6 did what they needed to get us over the line
Bailey - 6 nice little cameo shame we couldn't have used his pace a bit more.

Gerrard - 7 set up was constructive, good subs (though a bit confused at the end) which goes to show if you have strength on your bench use it for the last 30 minutes it can change games. Its not quite clicking yet but I think with more fine tuning this team will grow and be more competitive.

Fans - 8 pretty good support today.

Overall, a good first home performance and something to build on for next week.

Oh and after 15 years of Smart Motorway Roadworks on the M6 from West Mids up to the North West, they've finally finished!! Hallelujah....
Mostly agree - was disappointed with Digne - but though cash was good - in the only way he knows how.  Also think EMi2 should have been 9 we looked so much better with him on
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeonW on August 13, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
Positives
ē Sweet strike from Ings. Excellent technical strike. Some of his link up play was also very good.
ē Kamara had some class moments and looks as though he could be the answer in that position. There was one left footed first time pass in the first half that was elite level.
ē Great block from Mings near the end to stop an equaliser. A Tyrone special.
ē McGinn interceptions.
ē Ramsey back to his best in driving forward with the ball.
ē Got the job done but my word was it unnecessarily pressured at the end.

Negatives
ē Chance creation when dominating the ball still needs work. The majority of the chances we make are in transition and that needs to improve.
ē McGinn in possession - still gives the ball away too much.
ē Threat from the full backs. Opposition still happy for us to have the ball wide. We need to make this a more threatening area.
ē Getting the best out of Coutinho is still a work in progress.
ē We still seem massively at risk from set pieces. What does McPhee do?!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2022, 09:16:19 PM
Good that.


Yes other than the Leeds shirt and Lift music
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2022, 09:20:22 PM
Was a bit disappointed with Leon's cameo but we didn't feed him enough either to use his pace on the break. Think he'll stay on the subs bench.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2022, 09:23:23 PM
Not sure there was a stand out man of the match but I thought Kamara, Mings and Carlos were all solid. Also thought Watkins had a good game.

I thought other than getting done by the Everton player in the last few minutes, Cash had a fantastic game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 13, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
Thats better. Though the last 10 minutes was the most Villa thing ever.

Scores on the doors

Martinez - 8 not a huge amount to do but stood up well in those last few minutes with some key saves and time wasting.
Cash - 6 got forward well but caught a couple of times late on
I've had a busy day since the game, been flicking in and out of here, but has anything been said about Cash's injury? We scored our second, and he was over at the touchline trying to talk to Gerrard while clutching the back of his thigh when Everton kicked off, immediately switching the ball to his side. Not long afterwards he looked to be a total passenger, yet Gerrard was quite vociferously gesticulating at him in a "just get on with it" kind of way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2022, 09:37:40 PM
Think Gerrard said it was just muscular and should be ok. Carlos is the big worry.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 13, 2022, 09:48:03 PM
Not as bad as I predicted/10

Still a long way to go, but a marked improvement on last weekend.

Martinez - Formidable, and SUCH a troll.... but he's OUR troll!   :D

Cash - Much improved defensively, with some great last ditch blocks
Digne - Good linkup going forward, but suspect in defense
Mings - Merciless. Our best defender.
Diego Carlos - Good range of passing and much better than last weekend

Kamara - Rolls Royce of a player. Broke up play and pinged some beautiful balls forward. Did think he got caught daydreaming a couple of times, and appears to lack pace when made to run. He is only going to get better and we will need to improve to keep him - A star in the making.
McGinn - God awful first half - Distribution of the ball woeful. Apart from one loss of possession which led to an Everton attack, thought he was MUCH improved second half.
Ramsey - Few good runs forward into the channel, but thought he got knocked off the ball WAY too much in midfield. Don't get the plaudits for his performance today - Thought he did 'okay'
Coutinho - Effort was there today, but no real end product. No doubting his talent but seems off the boil somewhat

Ings - Never stops running and chasing the ball/helping the midfield. His goal was class
Watkins - Monumental amount of running and chasing, and came away with two assists. Confidence seems shattered in front of goal - Couple of times rather than just hitting it, he took an extra touch and sent it wide, narrowing the angle. Needs to just not think about it and fucking hit it. He'll come good.

Buendia - My favourite player. A terrier in our side with quality to match. Everton couldn't deal with him, and surely deserves a start now.
Bailey - Unlucky to be dropped. Couple of nice runs, and with more composure from Watkins, could have come away with an assist.

All in all, an enjoyable day in ridiculous heat. However, Palace will be a different prospect.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 13, 2022, 10:01:35 PM
Loved the 3 points always do so thank you Steven and boys. But bloody hell that was painful. Didnít see any rhyme or Rhythm in that display. It was far too much Southgate type of football. Fullbacks standing wide 20 yards in opposition half and tapping it back. Not sure what Steven is doing or where heís going.

I believe this to be an incorrect analysis of todays performance .

Yes. We werenít brilliant but thatís harsh. I thought we were somewhere between okay and quite good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Legion on August 13, 2022, 10:03:35 PM
We were OK, they were awful. A far better performance than the one at Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2022, 10:21:43 PM
Thats better. Though the last 10 minutes was the most Villa thing ever.

Scores on the doors

Martinez - 8 not a huge amount to do but stood up well in those last few minutes with some key saves and time wasting.
Cash - 6 got forward well but caught a couple of times late on
I've had a busy day since the game, been flicking in and out of here, but has anything been said about Cash's injury? We scored our second, and he was over at the touchline trying to talk to Gerrard while clutching the back of his thigh when Everton kicked off, immediately switching the ball to his side. Not long afterwards he looked to be a total passenger, yet Gerrard was quite vociferously gesticulating at him in a "just get on with it" kind of way.
I thought it was cos he came back into the field from behind the goal why SG was gesticulating
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: London Villan on August 13, 2022, 10:31:56 PM
It was chaos. He was crocked and Everton knew, so attacked down that side. He was still on when they almost equalised.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 12:09:50 AM
Can anyone honestly say we look like we'll improve on our final position last season? Too early to tell but I just don't see much evidence of a consistently effective way of playing.

Far too disjointed and careless with the ball. The moments of skill and winning-space that a player in a Villa shirt does provide are rarely anticipated by a team-mate.

If Everton are going to be lucky to avoid relegation, shouldn't we be wiping the floor with them instead of clinging-on?

We should easily beat last season't points and position I reckon. I don't think we'll ever be as bad as we were under Smith last year, or Gerrard for the last 10-12 games. Two games in and we've lost one, won one, with a big improvement this week. Not everybody's firing on all cylinders yet, but we've dominated possession in both games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2022, 12:25:31 AM
It's too early to tell, we've played two of the worst sides in the division and lost one and nearly dropped another 2 points but for a fantastic challenge by Mings. Until we create more on a consistent basis it's going to be a struggle, pretty sure it was 4 shots we had in the opening 70 minutes today. Against a side I think could well go down. We need Buendia starting and carrying on with his good form.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2022, 01:05:10 AM
Can anyone honestly say we look like we'll improve on our final position last season? Too early to tell but I just don't see much evidence of a consistently effective way of playing.

Far too disjointed and careless with the ball. The moments of skill and winning-space that a player in a Villa shirt does provide are rarely anticipated by a team-mate.

If Everton are going to be lucky to avoid relegation, shouldn't we be wiping the floor with them instead of clinging-on?

We should easily beat last season't points and position I reckon. I don't think we'll ever be as bad as we were under Smith last year, or Gerrard for the last 10-12 games. Two games in and we've lost one, won one, with a big improvement this week. Not everybody's firing on all cylinders yet, but we've dominated possession in both games.

Or put another way, never in the history of Aston Villa have we ever had such a talented squad. It's his to make it work.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2022, 01:24:49 AM
On the first goal, doesn't Tarlowski look horridly unsuitable to playing LCB in a three? Letting Watkins control the ball under no pressure and run into the box unchallenged to pick Ings out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 14, 2022, 06:13:51 AM
I also think Mings had a very good game and Carlos a pretty good one. Yet I don't know how to square that assessment with the mayhem that ensued in our box after every cross/corner. It wasn't just at the end, it was consistent chaos the entire match.

It can't all be Digne's fault.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Mister E on August 14, 2022, 08:25:25 AM
Can anyone honestly say we look like we'll improve on our final position last season? Too early to tell but I just don't see much evidence of a consistently effective way of playing.
Far too disjointed and careless with the ball. The moments of skill and winning-space that a player in a Villa shirt does provide are rarely anticipated by a team-mate.
If Everton are going to be lucky to avoid relegation, shouldn't we be wiping the floor with them instead of clinging-on?
I disagree - I think we'll get better. The game yesterday showed glimpses of the future: the central back 3 of Mings, Carlos and Kamara looked solid, which meant that McGinn, Ramsey and Phil played further up the pitch - in the first half, I thought Phil played well, and Ramsey and McGinn did so patchily.
Second half, Ramsey became more influential, McGinn upped his game - the best he's been for a long while, I thought - and Buendia made things tick more aggressively when he came on.
The big difference was that Watkins and Ings both worked their nuts off and were looking for each other when one had the ball; a huge difference from last season. I was hoping Watkins would get a much-deserved goal to help him build his season .... next time, maybe.
Overalll, I thought we played well, in the main.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 14, 2022, 08:46:23 AM
Pleased with the win ,made hard work of it though.
Mings was absolutely fantastic and the Holte End  got right behind him, absolutely superb.
Thought the front two worked their socks off and a great goal from ings.

Buendia has to start next game
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2022, 08:46:33 AM
It's too early to tell, we've played two of the worst sides in the division and lost one and nearly dropped another 2 points but for a fantastic challenge by Mings. Until we create more on a consistent basis it's going to be a struggle, pretty sure it was 4 shots we had in the opening 70 minutes today. Against a side I think could well go down. We need Buendia starting and carrying on with his good form.
Just about sums it up for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2022, 08:47:26 AM
Not sure there was a stand out man of the match but I thought Kamara, Mings and Carlos were all solid. Also thought Watkins had a good game.

I thought other than getting done by the Everton player in the last few minutes, Cash had a fantastic game.
He did and a lot of the time he swept up for Carlos as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Beard82 on August 14, 2022, 08:48:24 AM
I think, particularly when emi came on, we showed signs of nearly clicking.

The squad is good and the Kamara is likely to become a key player for us very quickly.

The difficulty is how we can find a way to make it click - I thought ings looked much better for having Watkins with him - but Watkins just doesnít suit the way we play - whenever he has time to think it normally goes wrong.

Added into that  it keeps Bailey and EMI on the bench - itís a really difficult one to solve with what we have.

It still feels like a really good Center Forward and a really good midfielder are needed but I am not convinced any that there are clear upgrades that will come. 

Without Emi2 on we look way to static and lack drive (although I thought JJ gave us a bit of that yesterday)

Overall much better - but with tougher tests to come some of these questions need to be answered sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2022, 08:53:42 AM
Just reading the thread in its entirety, I thought thatís the best McGinn has been for a long time, energetic, aggressive, supportive of the full back and progressed the ball forward nearly every time.

I thought he might have been the one to most struggle in the heat but far from it. Cometh the hourÖ.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2022, 09:11:53 AM
Two weeks in a row we have played teams that worked hard on denying us space and with limited attacking ambition of their own. We dealt with it much better yesterday. Our full backs couldnít get forward as there was no room so our best moments came with winning the ball and moving it forward quickly before they had chance to reset. Buendia livened things up when he came on and the second goal seemed inevitable. Just a shame we seemed to panic and made the last few minutes far more nervy that it needed to be.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: caster troy on August 14, 2022, 09:14:18 AM
A good win under pressure with some big positives. Kamara just looks class already, having someone with his ability to break up play and also distribute well is going to be such an asset. Looks like an unbelievable signing, so good I'm already worrying about a possible release clause.

In the first half we really struggled to create anything, I really don't understand what we are trying to achieve with this formation. It looks wrong to me having Ramsey between Mings and Digne on the left, with Coutinho and sometimes also Ings then drifting out there. We have these 'keep ball' passages of play out wide seemingly to try to get an overlap, but then if we are successful and get a cross in there is no one in the box to get on the end of it. Call me old fashioned but what sort of career would David Platt have had if he'd been playing JJ's role in this system?

We did look better when Buendia came on, he really has to start. Watkins did well with the two assists but continues to frustrate me. There was one occasion in the first half where he did brilliantly to control a pass fired in at head height, but then his touch lets him down badly on the big chance to make it 3-1. There has been talk of a finishing coach, but I think the problem is more to do with composure on that first touch when it is a goalscoring chance for himself. Hopefully he can improve that part of his game this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2022, 09:18:31 AM
As much as I like Buendia (and admit I was wrong about him) I think SG might be playing this just right, heís coming on when the games a little more open, opposition players are a little more tired and heís making a massive difference. And surely his performances off the bench will spur Phil on to an improvement in form?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 14, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
Similar to Bournemouth in that we had a lot of possession without actually creating much, obviously the goal made a massive difference and showed the best aspects of McGinn, Watkins and Ings.

Coutinho very limited impact and we simply have to get more from him if Gerrard is insisting he plays. Potentially it looks like an injury could force the inclusion of Buendia who was very lively, made a difference and has been unfortunate not to start the season in the first 11.

Ramsey played well with some strong runs but itís still an issue with him and McGinn being on the wrong side.

Any news on Carlos as he was pretty good but perhaps should have done better with that header right as the start of the game?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2022, 09:45:35 AM
Good win and very enjoyable to watch at times. We made it hard for ourselves in typical Villa fashion in the last few minutes though.  Coutinho was quiet but I thought everyone else played pretty well. I quite liked what I saw of Kamara. I thinks he's going to be very good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 14, 2022, 09:56:41 AM
Similar to Bournemouth in that we had a lot of possession without actually creating much, obviously the goal made a massive difference and showed the best aspects of McGinn, Watkins and Ings.

Coutinho very limited impact and we simply have to get more from him if Gerrard is insisting he plays. Potentially it looks like an injury could force the inclusion of Buendia who was very lively, made a difference and has been unfortunate not to start the season in the first 11.

Ramsey played well with some strong runs but itís still an issue with him and McGinn being on the wrong side.

Any news on Carlos as he was pretty good but perhaps should have done better with that header right as the start of the game?

And their goalÖ.. and marking on the corners
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2022, 10:02:32 AM
I think the expectation levels are maybe higher now than in previous generations, whilst the league is probably tougher and more a closed shop in terms of the top 4-6 positions than it has ever been. Look at our best two league sides since we won the league, 89-90, weíd just survived relegation by the skin of our teeth the season before, and then got off to a really average start, with lots of draws mixed with a couple of wins and two or three defeats before things started to click with both the system Taylor employed and the players sometime in mid to late September. Likewise in 92-93 under BFR, there was a very similar pattern until we signed Saunders in mid September.

Im not for a minute comparing the current team or set of players with those teams and i wouldnít be offensive enough to compare the current manager with those Villa legends. The point Iím making is good teams sometimes take time to click and gel. Kamara looks quality, but it will take time for the midfield to start operating as a unit, there were signs yesterday of that starting to work, albeit slowly. We need to work out how to get the best out of Coutinhio and how to get the brilliant Emi B in the team.
Watkins and Ings worked well together yesterday, but Watkins has to score that chance to make it 3-1, is it confidence or ability. Maybe we need that one extra attack minded signing that will help things to click.
I also donít think because Everton look poor that we have the right to steam roller them, we won and it would of been very comfortable if that freakish goal hadnít  gone in and Digne had swung at it with his right foot.
Weíre still finding our way into the season and i think there are the makings of a good team here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 10:14:35 AM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: DB on August 14, 2022, 10:15:32 AM
Watkins is a dilemma, as y-day showed he can make game changing contributions, but again showed his lack of finishing and consistency. Great 1-2 for the goal, but had a couple of chances to finish them off. The Ďcrossí he put in to hit the Everton 1st player was woeful and poor finishing for another. He also takes too long on the ball. Really not sure is he is good enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2022, 10:22:43 AM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.

You did immediately spring to mind when he controlled that long ball brilliantly with his head in the first few minutes. I give him a break with that chance near the end as he'd gone up and down the pitch about three times without stopping before it came to him.

He was excellent yesterday, no ifs or buts for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2022, 10:31:01 AM
He had a very good game for a so called championship trier.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 10:33:36 AM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.

You did immediately spring to mind when he controlled that long ball brilliantly with his head in the first few minutes. I give him a break with that chance near the end as he'd gone up and down the pitch about three times without stopping before it came to him.

He was excellent yesterday, no ifs or buts for me.

His job is to put the ball in the net though. Too many times when he's in a position like that, his final attempt is nowhere near good enough. The Wolves game springs immediately to mind, but there are loads of others.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2022, 10:36:17 AM
As much as I like Buendia (and admit I was wrong about him) I think SG might be playing this just right, heís coming on when the games a little more open, opposition players are a little more tired and heís making a massive difference. And surely his performances off the bench will spur Phil on to an improvement in form?
Yes but couple of things wrong with that.
We played, virtually with 10 men as Coutinho was so ineffective.
SG only gave Emi decent time on the pitch because Coutinho was injured.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 14, 2022, 10:40:05 AM
My first visit to Villa Park since before the pandemic. I was sat up in the clouds of the upper trinity and as others have written elswhere the queues for beer were crazy. Why were the booths that only sell beer closed? Understaffed, with no organisation, workers dressed in buttoned-up black shirts looking as if they were about to pass out in the heat. More old-git moaning is the music before and straight after the game - no atmosphere builds and then you get the embarrassing hi-ho Aston Villa chorus. Seems a lot of people like it though.

Onto the match. I thought we looked decent. The midfield is very good - McGinn gets far too much stick, we'd be a much poorer team without him And Kamara is absolute class: Sidesque. Buendia has to start now that he's hopefully fully fit. What was going on with their goal I've no idea. From where I was sat Cash was talking to the bench, Everton kicked off when he was out of position and scored from an attack down our right-hand side. McGinn was furious. Lots to work on but there's definitely a top 8 side there, and with Man Utd imploding sixth place is up for grabs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 14, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.



You did immediately spring to mind when he controlled that long ball brilliantly with his head in the first few minutes. I give him a break with that chance near the end as he'd gone up and down the pitch about three times without stopping before it came to him.

He was excellent yesterday, no ifs or buts for me.

His job is to put the ball in the net though. Too many times when he's in a position like that, his final attempt is nowhere near good enough. The Wolves game springs immediately to mind, but there are loads of others.

It's not his only job though, he set up two goals yesterday. Hopefully he'll start scoring soon.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2022, 10:45:10 AM
As much as I like Buendia (and admit I was wrong about him) I think SG might be playing this just right, heís coming on when the games a little more open, opposition players are a little more tired and heís making a massive difference. And surely his performances off the bench will spur Phil on to an improvement in form?
Yes but couple of things wrong with that.
We played, virtually with 10 men as Coutinho was so ineffective.
SG only gave Emi decent time on the pitch because Coutinho was injured.

With Watkins getting two assists, Ings scoring and Buendia scoring, I think even Gerrard will be forced to drop Coutinho for Palace.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2022, 10:54:06 AM
As much as I like Buendia (and admit I was wrong about him) I think SG might be playing this just right, heís coming on when the games a little more open, opposition players are a little more tired and heís making a massive difference. And surely his performances off the bench will spur Phil on to an improvement in form?
Yes but couple of things wrong with that.
We played, virtually with 10 men as Coutinho was so ineffective.
SG only gave Emi decent time on the pitch because Coutinho was injured.

With Watkins getting two assists, Ings scoring and Buendia scoring, I think even Gerrard will be forced to drop Coutinho for Palace.

I think heíll have to and a niggle of an injury will be a good excuse.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 14, 2022, 11:02:27 AM
Good performance. Kamara easily the best of the rest. I did think too much goal emphasis was going via Cash at one point. Watkins looked like he found his natural position to me, right winger/forward who cuts in.

Coutinho needs to get back to doing what he does best - driving forward with the ball using his trickery and skill then releasing it accordingly. Lately, all he does is occupy the worst positions possible, comes too deep or overplays it in stupid positions like the bench throw-in line. Just stay forward, in space and good things will happen.

Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: baddowvillans on August 14, 2022, 11:03:43 AM
Whilst Villa made it closer than we should have by going to sleep after the second, I think its worth remembering that Chelsea only beat Everton 1-0 last week in a game that Everton had a number of chances and were never out of.  We may think Everton are poor but they still need to be beaten amd we did that.  I think for most it's the lack of a clear playing methodology that causes concern and that seems a long way off at present.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2022, 11:28:15 AM
I think there's a clear methodology, it's just not particularly effective and I think the players lose faith in trying to carry it out. It makes them indecisive and as a result we look ponderous at times.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Drummond on August 14, 2022, 11:41:14 AM
As much as I like Buendia (and admit I was wrong about him) I think SG might be playing this just right, heís coming on when the games a little more open, opposition players are a little more tired and heís making a massive difference. And surely his performances off the bench will spur Phil on to an improvement in form?

You could argue the opposite may have a better effect. Coutinho coming on when Buendia has run the opposition ragged may give him the space he needs. Regardless though, I'd play them both.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Drummond on August 14, 2022, 11:43:44 AM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.

Yep.

That right-foot touch when clear through that gave himself a shit angle. How many times will he do that? Honestly, he should have scored that chance.

If it had been a keeper or defender making a similar level mistake....
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Drummond on August 14, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
We won. Let's hope it's a confidence booster and a springboard...
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 14, 2022, 11:56:34 AM
anyone catch match of the day, completely different game to the one I saw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 14, 2022, 12:06:06 PM
The main thing yesterday showed us was that football is not a summer sport. Itís therefore difficult to ascertain what weíre trying to do. Even so, what we did do we did well with Kamara the pick of the bunch for me. Bundia gives us a lot of zip going forward and we need that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: robleflaneur on August 14, 2022, 12:07:19 PM
anyone catch match of the day, completely different game to the one I saw.
Had the same feeling.A two goal margin would not have flattered us but a MOTD viewer would have thought Everton were unlucky.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Simon Page on August 14, 2022, 12:07:51 PM
I like winning.

Aside from that, harder than it might have been but it's early season. I think this squad could be very good so, as much as the results, I'm looking forward to them getting into the season and enjoying themselves a bit. It will be nice to see them off the leash. No expectations on where we'll finish, just hoping for some fun along the way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: oldtimernow on August 14, 2022, 12:41:23 PM
They were sharper after Dele Alli came on but didnít deserve that goal, made for a very nervy last 10.

How Steven can leave Emi out now is beyond me.

Alli very much what used to be a Villa type signing......file under R Barkley

I'd completely forgotten Dele Alli existed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Nev on August 14, 2022, 12:50:54 PM
Not much to add apart from the fact that Buendia transforms the side when he's on the pitch.

I'd start him and bring Coutinho on if he's not firing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2022, 01:06:26 PM
anyone catch match of the day, completely different game to the one I saw.
Had the same feeling.A two goal margin would not have flattered us but a MOTD viewer would have thought Everton were unlucky.
But to be fair to the editor it was not a match before Everton equaliser. Before that it was routine win for the slightly better team on the day. Excitement for general viewer only came about in the last 5 mins plus injury time and we unwittingly played a big part in that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 01:24:53 PM
Quite pleased that Sweet Caroline has been ditched in favour of Hi Ho Silver Lining for the post-victory song of choice as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2022, 01:28:35 PM
I knew we were going to be ok as soon as Soloman Rondon came on for them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 01:30:14 PM
I thought Everton were unlucky in their first game against Chelsea. Weíve turned them over and shouldíve won by a few more and the performance was much better. We wonít get the plaudits but I was happy that we are improving. This squad wonít get us to 7th or above though without a few additions so as a current mid table side Iíd say yesterday was a good win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Richard E on August 14, 2022, 01:33:49 PM
I knew we were going to be ok as soon as Soloman Rondon came on for them.

ĎWeíre losing - how can we change the game? I know - weíll bring on Solomon Rondon and Dele Alli.í Lol
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 01:59:24 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: DB on August 14, 2022, 02:00:35 PM
I knew we were going to be ok as soon as Soloman Rondon came on for them.

ĎWeíre losing - how can we change the game? I know - weíll bring on Solomon Rondon and Dele Alli.í Lol

I thought the same, plus no can lose to a team that has a minefield of Iwobi in it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2022, 02:16:30 PM
I knew we were going to be ok as soon as Soloman Rondon came on for them.

ĎWeíre losing - how can we change the game? I know - weíll bring on Solomon Rondon and Dele Alli.í Lol

I thought the same, plus no can lose to a team that has a minefield of Iwobi in it.

If he was our player Iíd put him in the bomb squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2022, 02:36:09 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2022, 02:42:50 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.

I was saying after the game, 3-4 years ago I'd have given anything for him, was trying to think of another player that has tailed off so dramatically well before hitting his peak years.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 02:49:44 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

He turned into a pirate, sailing the high seas pillaging and plundering, looking for buried treasure took his focus away from football.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 02:50:34 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.

I was saying after the game, 3-4 years ago I'd have given anything for him, was trying to think of another player that has tailed off so dramatically well before hitting his peak years.

David Bentley?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 03:01:23 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.

I was saying after the game, 3-4 years ago I'd have given anything for him, was trying to think of another player that has tailed off so dramatically well before hitting his peak years.

David Bentley?

Bentley openly admitted he didnít enjoy football and mainly the culture that surrounded it at the time. He was a good player that decided it wasnít for him and went into business. He also tried to help younger kids coming into the game with education and handling money and fame.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 03:22:27 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.

I was saying after the game, 3-4 years ago I'd have given anything for him, was trying to think of another player that has tailed off so dramatically well before hitting his peak years.

David Bentley?

Bentley openly admitted he didnít enjoy football and mainly the culture that surrounded it at the time. He was a good player that decided it wasnít for him and went into business. He also tried to help younger kids coming into the game with education and handling money and fame.

Yep I know. But before he decided to call it a day, he tailed off massively, which was the question! :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 03:34:18 PM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.

I was saying after the game, 3-4 years ago I'd have given anything for him, was trying to think of another player that has tailed off so dramatically well before hitting his peak years.

David Bentley?

Bentley openly admitted he didnít enjoy football and mainly the culture that surrounded it at the time. He was a good player that decided it wasnít for him and went into business. He also tried to help younger kids coming into the game with education and handling money and fame.

Yep I know. But before he decided to call it a day, he tailed off massively, which was the question! :)

Oh I know. I wasnít disputing your suggestion. Bentley appeared to get out with some dignity when he realized it wasnít a life for him. Alli on the surface anyways, just appears to be pissing away what was a superb start to his career.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2022, 03:34:51 PM
Going back a few years Des Walker was one of the best central defenders in Europe nevermind England. Forest fans used to sing 'You'll never beat Des Walker' and they were right. Cool, calm, collected summed him up then almost overnight he just seemed to lose it. Konsa in his prime reminded me of him and just like Walker he seems to have lost it. Hopefully he can regain it but right now it doesn't look like he will.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Richard E on August 14, 2022, 03:36:11 PM
Bentley hadnít had a club for a year at the time so there may have been an element of making a virtue out of necessity.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2022, 03:52:06 PM
Going back a few years Des Walker was one of the best central defenders in Europe nevermind England. Forest fans used to sing 'You'll never beat Des Walker' and they were right. Cool, calm, collected summed him up then almost overnight he just seemed to lose it. Konsa in his prime reminded me of him and just like Walker he seems to have lost it. Hopefully he can regain it but right now it doesn't look like he will.

To be fair though Walker won league cups with Forest, played in an FA Cup final, played in Europe, a world cup semi final and won many caps for England. I think he lost some of his pace in his early 30s and then like you say disappeared off the scene fairly quickly after that, but he was a brilliant defender and had a fine career. Different world to Alli, who granted was also involved in a world cup semi, but literally had a couple of good years for spurs and England before seemingly getting lost in his own hype.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 14, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
Walker was OK at Wednesday first two seasons after which he just fell away. I remember the Villa Bugle describing him as chronic in a piece looking at other sides.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 14, 2022, 04:04:44 PM
"Milk turns quicker" was used to describe Walker after SGT's England lost in Norway. It was Jasper Carrot saying it but funny nonetheless
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2022, 04:15:11 PM
Joe Hart is another one who has fallen so far that he now plays for Celtic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2022, 04:18:04 PM
Joe Hart is another one who has fallen so far that he now plays for Celtic.

He played a season at Blose, he's already plumbed the depths.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2022, 04:20:53 PM
Going back a few years Des Walker was one of the best central defenders in Europe nevermind England. Forest fans used to sing 'You'll never beat Des Walker' and they were right. Cool, calm, collected summed him up then almost overnight he just seemed to lose it. Konsa in his prime reminded me of him and just like Walker he seems to have lost it. Hopefully he can regain it but right now it doesn't look like he will.

To be fair though Walker won league cups with Forest, played in an FA Cup final, played in Europe, a world cup semi final and won many caps for England. I think he lost some of his pace in his early 30s and then like you say disappeared off the scene fairly quickly after that, but he was a brilliant defender and had a fine career.

Agreed but he never reached the heights of his time at Forest where he left when he was 25/26. Maybe it was his move to Sampdoria that ruined him but he only managed a couple of England appearances when he first returned, before he was a regular.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2022, 04:44:04 PM
Joe Hart is another one who has fallen so far that he now plays for Celtic.

Playing very well in a vastly improved Celtic team. That Aussie coach is someone we should be keeping tabs on.

It's hard to even watch Dele Alli these days he is so bad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 04:44:37 PM
Walker is a crap suggestion, he was still an almost ever-present in the Premier League at the age of 35. In 6 years for Sheffs Weds in the top flight he missed out about 5 games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2022, 04:55:09 PM
Yeah, Risso's choice of Bentley is the winner, honorable mention to Chris with Joe Hart, Des Walker is way off the mark.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: dave shelley on August 14, 2022, 05:04:20 PM
One of the most cultured centre-halves I ever saw playing was Roy McFarland, he played for Derby inthe sixties, seventies and early eighties and was an England international.  Many reckoned he wasn't all that but I don't recall him wasting too many balls out of defence once he'd won it.  A good strong tackler who always seemed unhurried and could pick a pass.

The best was John Charles, what a player, equally adept at centre-half or centre-forward, and but for tragedy who knows what Duncan Edwards would have gone on to achieve.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 14, 2022, 07:46:14 PM
A couple from on the continent would be Lentini and Denilson, both moved for world record fees when money wasnít thrown around like confetti and did nothing of note after. Lentini was involved in a very serious car crash, by all accounts, which could have had something to do with it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2022, 07:49:24 PM
Adriano would be another shout from abroad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Drummond on August 14, 2022, 07:52:24 PM
Andy Carroll?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2022, 08:28:23 PM
Going back a few years Des Walker was one of the best central defenders in Europe nevermind England. Forest fans used to sing 'You'll never beat Des Walker' and they were right. Cool, calm, collected summed him up then almost overnight he just seemed to lose it. Konsa in his prime reminded me of him and just like Walker he seems to have lost it. Hopefully he can regain it but right now it doesn't look like he will.

Des became a lorry driver. Came to our place a few times and got a bit arsey when I said I was surprised he smoked. Fair enough I suppose, fairly stupid thing for me to say really.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2022, 08:33:52 PM
Walker is a crap suggestion, he was still an almost ever-present in the Premier League at the age of 35. In 6 years for Sheffs Weds in the top flight he missed out about 5 games.

And in those last 9/10 years back never played for England again? Each to their own.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2022, 11:26:37 PM
I knew we were going to be ok as soon as Soloman Rondon came on for them.

ĎWeíre losing - how can we change the game? I know - weíll bring on Solomon Rondon and Dele Alli.í Lol

I thought the same...

Me too, then he started bullying us in the air and laid on chances to get them a point. Think it was him that took out two of our players in the air in the lead-up to their first goal, too.

Edit: Referring to Rondon
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2022, 11:30:08 PM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.

You did immediately spring to mind when he controlled that long ball brilliantly with his head in the first few minutes. I give him a break with that chance near the end as he'd gone up and down the pitch about three times without stopping before it came to him.

He was excellent yesterday, no ifs or buts for me.

For your part, Ings must have impressed you for once  ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Richard on August 14, 2022, 11:40:47 PM
I knew we were going to be ok as soon as Soloman Rondon came on for them.

ĎWeíre losing - how can we change the game? I know - weíll bring on Solomon Rondon and Dele Alli.í Lol

I thought the same...

Me too, then he started bullying us in the air and laid on chances to get them a point. Think it was him that took out two of our players in the air in the lead-up to their first goal, too.

Edit: Referring to Rondon

This all reads like Everton equalised....
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2022, 11:42:51 PM
Oh, yeah! We won!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2022, 12:28:10 AM
What has happened to Dele Alli? I used to think he was a cracking player. Four or five very good years at Spurs when he was a reliable 1 goal in 3-4 games attacking midfielder to the absolute nothing player he is now. And he's still only 26.

Yeah itís very weird. Iíve got a recollection of a few injuries potentially hampering him.

I was saying after the game, 3-4 years ago I'd have given anything for him, was trying to think of another player that has tailed off so dramatically well before hitting his peak years.

David Bentley?

Bentley openly admitted he didnít enjoy football and mainly the culture that surrounded it at the time. He was a good player that decided it wasnít for him and went into business. He also tried to help younger kids coming into the game with education and handling money and fame.

Yep I know. But before he decided to call it a day, he tailed off massively, which was the question! :)

I saw David Bentley at Cineworld Broad St when he was on loan at SHA. He walked in, looked around, then like a teenager on a bus, ran up the steps to get to the back, before grunting in pain after maybe ten steps and slowly finding his way to a seat nearby.

When I saw him leave, he was limping. Prat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 15, 2022, 12:54:49 AM
Was a bit disappointed with Leon's cameo but we didn't feed him enough either to use his pace on the break. Think he'll stay on the subs bench.
The one game for which he should be nailed on is Man Utd. Him running full tilt straight at Maguire is pretty much the only tactic we'd need.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 15, 2022, 12:58:09 AM
Was a bit disappointed with Leon's cameo but we didn't feed him enough either to use his pace on the break. Think he'll stay on the subs bench.
The one game for which he should be nailed on is Man Utd. Him running full tilt straight at Maguire is pretty much the only tactic we'd need.

Then the TV coverage cuts to Maguire looking suitably anguished and Ronaldo doing that geeing up motion as he takes the restart. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2022, 01:09:05 AM
Was a bit disappointed with Leon's cameo but we didn't feed him enough either to use his pace on the break. Think he'll stay on the subs bench.
The one game for which he should be nailed on is Man Utd. Him running full tilt straight at Maguire is pretty much the only tactic we'd need.

Then the TV coverage cuts to Maguire looking suitably anguished and Ronaldo doing that geeing up motion as he takes the restart.

I think we could also do with bringing Alan Wright out of retirement, to win headers against that Martinez centre half they have.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 15, 2022, 03:25:13 AM
I dunno, Buendia has shown he can leap well above what his 4'10" suggests. A stocky salmon if you will.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2022, 03:43:51 AM
I dunno, Buendia has shown he can leap well above what his 4'10" suggests. A stocky salmon if you will.

Fair enough, but if he's 4'10" I'm not sure he needs to leap. Either he'll beat Martinez in the air without jumping, or he'll control the ball and Forrest Gump Maguire will scythe him down.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 15, 2022, 08:47:09 AM
There was everything that is good and bad about Watkins yesterday. Tireless running, but when clear through on goal, he mucks it up, as he often does.

You did immediately spring to mind when he controlled that long ball brilliantly with his head in the first few minutes. I give him a break with that chance near the end as he'd gone up and down the pitch about three times without stopping before it came to him.

He was excellent yesterday, no ifs or buts for me.

For your part, Ings must have impressed you for once  ;)

He did, it was a superb finish too. Still feel he's a bit too easy to to knock off the ball but they both worked well together which is nice too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: sid1964 on August 15, 2022, 09:30:49 AM
Thought we did okay overall, but our defending from corners and free kicks needs to be sorted

When they brought on Number 8, he bullied us and made a real difference for them in the final 15 minutes

Buendia showed more in the last half an hour than Coutinho did whilst he was on the pitch, yet to see a world class player in any of his performances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: steamer on August 15, 2022, 10:45:21 AM
I thought Coady had a decent game for them
Why would Wolves let him go on loan ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: brontebilly on August 15, 2022, 10:47:34 AM
I thought Coady had a decent game for them
Why would Wolves let him go on loan ?

They have moved to a back 4.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: amfy on August 15, 2022, 10:49:55 AM
Also someone mentioned the club were charging 90p for tap water. I didn't notice that though.

https://www.popall.co.uk/news-publications/news/another-article-on-free-drinking-water

Itís illegal for licences premises to charge for tap water so I sincerely hope this isnít true.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: The Edge on August 15, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
Also someone mentioned the club were charging 90p for tap water. I didn't notice that though.

https://www.popall.co.uk/news-publications/news/another-article-on-free-drinking-water

Itís illegal for licences premises to charge for tap water so I sincerely hope this isnít true.
I kind of hope it is true. The clueless catering company in charge of matchdays need to be outed. They are utterly useless and I am hoping that an inquiry is set up with a view to tearing up the contract that someone equally useless at their job has signed off on behalf of AVFC.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 15, 2022, 05:27:25 PM
Also someone mentioned the club were charging 90p for tap water. I didn't notice that though.

https://www.popall.co.uk/news-publications/news/another-article-on-free-drinking-water

Itís illegal for licences premises to charge for tap water so I sincerely hope this isnít true.
I kind of hope it is true. The clueless catering company in charge of matchdays need to be outed. They are utterly useless and I am hoping that an inquiry is set up with a view to tearing up the contract that someone equally useless at their job has signed off on behalf of AVFC.
believe the contract is run by someone called Rodney and Delboy
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 15, 2022, 05:44:14 PM
Also someone mentioned the club were charging 90p for tap water. I didn't notice that though.

https://www.popall.co.uk/news-publications/news/another-article-on-free-drinking-water

Itís illegal for licences premises to charge for tap water so I sincerely hope this isnít true.
I kind of hope it is true. The clueless catering company in charge of matchdays need to be outed. They are utterly useless and I am hoping that an inquiry is set up with a view to tearing up the contract that someone equally useless at their job has signed off on behalf of AVFC.
believe the contract is run by someone called Rodney and Delboy

You mean T.I.T
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 15, 2022, 06:36:16 PM
Also someone mentioned the club were charging 90p for tap water. I didn't notice that though.

https://www.popall.co.uk/news-publications/news/another-article-on-free-drinking-water

Itís illegal for licences premises to charge for tap water so I sincerely hope this isnít true.
I knew I'd seen it somewhere else.
https://twitter.com/kerrylynn21/status/1558478957598674945?t=yK337d3zjif7hpJtxMGcJg&s=19
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: somec on August 15, 2022, 07:14:00 PM
I don't think I have ever been to a match on a day as hot as Saturday.

I was right at the back of the Holte End and although I consider myself to be in decent shape I was genuinely short of breath by the time I reached my seat!

I think we deserved the 3 points, although we did look shaky at the back at times.

Great finish from Ings and it goes without saying that Buendia was an improvement on Coutinho and him coming on changed the game.

Palace next week, we go again!
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2022, 08:25:51 PM
If that tap water thing is true, that's disgraceful

Hope it isn't true
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
If that tap water thing is true, that's disgraceful

Hope it isn't true

They offered me a glass of tap water for free as my lad wanted a bottle, but he had a bottle of Coke instead. Not sure it was policy to charge or just someone being a deickhead.
Title: Re: Aston Villa V Everton Post Match Thread.
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 21, 2022, 12:10:57 AM
Much improved performance, though we were hanging on at the end.

Bouba, Ramsey and Emi 2 were the stand-outs for me.
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