Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: BC Villain on August 11, 2022, 12:16:54 PM
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Massive own goal by the club if you ask me.
Hate the idea of clubs hopping into bed with betting companies. Come on Villa, your better than this.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1557653051145457665?t=FuaPDLIKyEE4b7af7bACLw&s=19
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This isn't just a 'betting partner'. It's a 'crypto casino' whatever the fuck that means. Shady, is what it sounds like.
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Duel bits? Sounds (hideously) kinky.
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And you can't even access their 'product' in the UK. Fuck off with this shit Villa.
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“Do you wanna bet against us if you are not in the UK?”
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From a quick Google
"You can play Duelbits in Canada, Brazil, Germany, and Mexico. If you're in a country that doesn't have access to the platform, such as the US, or the UK, you'll need to use a VPN to connect to a server in a country where it's available."
Can't help thinking this isn't a great look for Villa.
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From a quick Google
"You can play Duelbits in Canada, Brazil, Germany, and Mexico. If you're in a country that doesn't have access to the platform, such as the US, or the UK, you'll need to use a VPN to connect to a server in a country where it's available."
Can't help thinking this isn't a great look for Villa.
Christ! The CIA took over the Pokerstars website in the IOM and arrested a load of people for that sort of stuff.
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Aston Villa
@AVFCOfficial
Introducing our Official European Betting Partner...
That you can use in *checks notes* ONE European country.
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Gambling shirt sponsors have never really been about the UK market (bet365 a bit different).
They have always been about Asian markets above all.
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The only jurisdiction that issues licences for crypto gambling is Curacao, which doesn’t really inspire confidence.
Whilst I don’t have a problem with gambling sponsors (but I accept I am biased), I feel uncomfortable for Villa to be suggesting fans use a vpn to gamble with these people.
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I agree with you BC I don't like us using betting companies again.
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I should point out that what I posted wasn't from Villa. It was from a Google search and was in the 'people also ask' section on Google and that was the answer to the question "How do you play Duelbits UK?".
Although i'm guessing a number of Villa fans will be seeing that when they Google our new partner.
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Christ almighty this is grim.
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Fuck this, and fuck the socios link we have, too.
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Has anyone ever tried to organise a numbers protest (e.g. digital petition) against this kind of thing? Difficult because you might get some idiots signing as Micky Mouse etc. Maybe a joint message from as many fan groups as possible, if that could be agreed? I may be a little bit naive thinking it would make any difference, but it might get some press coverage... who knows.
It's the absolute pits.
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The full article on Pravda.
Aston Villa is pleased to welcome Duelbits as our Official European Betting Partner for the 2022/23 Premier League season.
Launched in 2020, Duelbits is a crypto casino and sportsbook with an ambition to become a niche global brand, offering users better rewards and an easy-to-use product.
The agreement will see Duelbits branding on pitch-side LED boards during domestic games at the historic Villa Park, garnering major exposure for the brand.
Nicola Ibbetson, Chief Commercial Officer at Aston Villa said: “We are pleased to welcome Duelbits to our family of Partners.
“It was clear from our first conversations that their ambition to challenge and to grow matches our own. We look forward to working together this season.”
Marco Pinnisi, Chief Marketing Officer at Duelbits said: “Duelbits is made by individuals passionate about sports and casino games. We launched our sportsbook in late December 2021 with the product being completely developed in-house by a team of leading industry experts.
“The deeply immersive and intuitive product is made for both new as well as experienced sportsbook players. Duelbits aims to continually develop a strong sportsbook that can be compared to leading bookmakers in the market.
“We felt it was the right time to give the brand the visibility it deserved and we couldn’t see a better way than sponsoring one of the most well-known Premier League clubs. This partnership underlines Duelbits’ desire to work with the most prestigious sports brands.
“Whilst we are a young brand, we wanted to be associated with a historical club, creating a great mixture between heritage and new generation sportsbook. We are extremely excited and honoured to support such a legendary club, and we are sure this great mixture will be particularly engaging for our users and Aston Villa fans.”
Duelbits.com is a crypto casino and sportsbook aiming to bring users the most rewarding gambling experience. Founded in 2020 and despite the COVID 19 crisis, Duelbits has grown into a well-known casino brand, particularly within the crypto niche. Duelbits’ ambition is to become a niche global brand, offering users better rewards and an easy-to-use product, all accompanied by the crypto element, allowing users fast and secure payments.
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So, how have we progressed in recent years ?
(https://i.ibb.co/0qRPKvK/1200px-Aston-Villa-team-vs-FH-August-2008.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0qRPKvK)
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Football clubs chase revenue not morality - fuck me Arsenal have "Visit Rwanada" on their shirts, a country internationally recognised as committing genocide in its recent past.
Is it any less immoral than buying Nike / Under Armour et al sports clothes made in sweatshops by children?
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I strongly suspect that the only real reason for combining crypto and online gaming is money laundering.
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We went from Acorns to FX Pro - currency speculation - at a time we were owned by a man whose family made a ton of money through aggressive lending. We're now owned by someone who made a fortune through subprime mortgages, and were previously owned by a shyster currently doing time in the big house on the hill in China.
There's always something to not like if you look hard enough.
Also, these bozos are a minor betting partner, they're not shirt sponsors.
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Maybe I'm a bit hard nosed, but I struggle to get too worked up over this sort of stuff.
I'm sure most clubs in the PL have some form of link up with a gambling company. It's easy money.
I don't really see them not being available in the UK as a problem, arguably it's a plus point. The whole crypto thing is beyond me, but people who want to will always find a home to gamble their money and I'm not sure one is much worse than any other.
Ultimately I want Villa to be successful and compete with the elite. That means we will always have to make business decisions that not all of us will like. I don't bet or like betting companies, but they're all over sport and that's not going to change in the short term. I can live with it.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0010l43/paul-merson-football-gambling-and-me
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Maybe I'm a bit hard nosed, but I struggle to get too worked up over this sort of stuff.
I'm sure most clubs in the PL have some form of link up with a gambling company. It's easy money.
I don't really see them not being available in the UK as a problem, arguably it's a plus point. The whole crypto thing is beyond me, but people who want to will always find a home to gamble their money and I'm not sure one is much worse than any other.
Ultimately I want Villa to be successful and compete with the elite. That means we will always have to make business decisions that not all of us will like. I don't bet or like betting companies, but they're all over sport and that's not going to change in the short term. I can live with it.
Fair enough that last point. We're not going to change it immediately, however much we disagree with it. I tend to get worked up by these things primarily because I'm a grumpy old man. I struggle to deal with gambling links, find crypto as bad and then - the crowning glory - the marketing speak about being excited working together, etc. (Is there a vomit emoji here?)
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“Whilst we are a young brand, we wanted to be associated with a historical club, creating a great mixture between heritage and new generation sportsbook. We are extremely excited and honoured to support such a legendary club, and we are sure this great mixture will be particularly engaging for our users and Aston Villa fans.”
Sportsbook ?.... I thought a Sportsbook was something like The Argus Annual.
Supporting a legendary club ?...Yes we are legendary, but your not supporting us you're just giving us some money. We do the supporting.
Engaging ?...We don't want to be engaged to you, just fuck right off.
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As I said before, with how the club operates this should come as no surprise any more.
Companies preying on the vulnerable,trying to hook them on gambling.
If only those early Randy Lerner days could return when we had compassion and welcomed the local community to Villa Park at discounted rates,we had very good ticket prices,free coaches put on for supporters to away games and a local children's hospice on the front of our shirts. We really have gone backwards and it's heartbreaking to see
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Is Dr Tony really in gaol?
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previously owned by a shyster currently doing time in the big house on the hill in China.
Is this confirmed as being true?
And if so for what... crime against fashion?
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previously owned by a shyster currently doing time in the big house on the hill in China.
Is this confirmed as being true?
And if so for what... crime against fashion?
Shaming the honour of his country by getting a fucking Uber to Bodymoor Heath
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previously owned by a shyster currently doing time in the big house on the hill in China.
Is this confirmed as being true?
And if so for what... crime against fashion?
https://www.scmp.com/sport/china/article/3120884/ex-aston-villa-owner-tony-xia-detained-six-months-arrest-report
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I read somewhere that Dr Tony's cardboard belt was made of compressed cannabis leaves. Cannot possibly be true. The soles of his elevator trainers maybe.
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I agree with you BC I don't like us using betting companies again.
I agree with both of you. It doesn't stand us in good light.
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Interesting final sentence from gamblinginsider :
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/mobile/17630/aston-villa-fc-names-duelbits-as-official-european-betting-partner
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This is a dumb move by the club and an awful look. I know other clubs are engaging in similar partnerships but that doesn’t make it right. We should be better than this.
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Is Dr Tony really in gaol?
Emi's out for Sat? Oh FFS!
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Very against this, gambling is such a destructive addiction.
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I agree about gambling being a destructive addiction, and may be we should be the 1st club in the country to go alcohol free in the stadium
That for me would set a real precedent
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I agree about gambling being a destructive addiction, and may be we should be the 1st club in the country to go alcohol free in the stadium
That for me would set a real precedent
That's a terrible idea. The non alcohol suggestion I mean.
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I strongly suspect that the only real reason for combining crypto and online gaming is money laundering.
I think I posted a link to this (http://josimarfootball.com/the-trillion-dollar-gambling-game/) last year.
Is the Premier League used as part of an unprecedented money-laundering operation?
A long read, but really interesting. The Isle Of Man features a fair bit.
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I strongly suspect that the only real reason for combining crypto and online gaming is money laundering.
I think I posted a link to this (http://josimarfootball.com/the-trillion-dollar-gambling-game/) last year.
Is the Premier League used as part of an unprecedented money-laundering operation?
A long read, but really interesting.
You did, and I read it then. Very interesting indeed. I know all of the IOM people mentioned fairly well.
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I agree about gambling being a destructive addiction, and may be we should be the 1st club in the country to go alcohol free in the stadium
That for me would set a real precedent
That's a terrible idea. The non alcohol suggestion I mean.
I’ll drink to that.
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Does anyone have any idea how much this deal is worth? I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of fans do not want this type of sponsorship, and it makes the club lose some of the goodwill it generates in other areas.
If this is £20m a year, then I'm sure many of us could swallow it as a 'cost of competing'. But if it's a million a year, or less, is it really worth it?
Edit: I do hope there isn't going to be an element here were Villa benefit financially from fans signing up to use this service (which is what you see a lot with gambling advertising).
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I agree about gambling being a destructive addiction, and may be we should be the 1st club in the country to go alcohol free in the stadium
That for me would set a real precedent
Going alcohol free will force lot of people to actually watch the match rather than hanging around in the concourse most of the second half. How are they going to cope with that?
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Does anyone have any idea how much this deal is worth? I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of fans do not want this type of sponsorship, and it makes the club lose some of the goodwill it generates in other areas.
If this is £20m a year, then I'm sure many of us could swallow it as a 'cost of competing'. But if it's a million a year, or less, is it really worth it?
Edit: I do hope there isn't going to be an element here were Villa benefit financially from fans signing up to use this service (which is what you see a lot with gambling advertising).
If you live in the UK, or indeed 99% of Europe, you can't sign up. By legal means anyway.
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I agree about gambling being a destructive addiction, and may be we should be the 1st club in the country to go alcohol free in the stadium
That for me would set a real precedent
Going alcohol free will force lot of people to actually watch the match rather than hanging around in the concourse most of the second half. How are they going to cope with that?
Cocaine use in the toilets would increase?
Gambling advertising should be banned, the authority that runs Gaelic games (GAA) banned all advertising/sponsorship a number of years back. I can't imagine financially that AVFC actually need a betting 'partner', goodwill generated by dumping them would be a lot more significant. Booze in sports stadiums in general is horrible anyway so again can't imagine it would unduly impact match day revenue nor the match day experience for all.
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It's an awful partnership for a club that should be infinitely better than this.
Barnsley fans have just risen up against their club's deal which saw hex.com on the shirts. And the club have terminated the contract with immediate effect. Something the FSA are supporting. It can be done.
Barnsley linky. (https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/club-statement2/)
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Massive own goal by the club if you ask me.
Hate the idea of clubs hopping into bed with betting companies. Come on Villa, your better than this.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1557653051145457665?t=FuaPDLIKyEE4b7af7bACLw&s=19
And another one.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbGYHpCXoAAYWwg?format=jpg)
They can absolutely f*** off.
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Calm down, they share our challenger ambition...
Aston Villa is pleased to announce Kaiyun as Official Principal Partner and Official Sleeve Partner.
The Asian betting brand, who are new to the European market, will see their logo appear on the sleeves of the first-team playing kits this season.
As Asia's top digital sports platform, Kaiyun Sports have built an exclusive app that integrates sports and entertainment, providing users with an immersive online and offline interactive service.
Aston Villa Chief Commercial Officer Nicola Ibbetson said: “We are delighted to be partnering with Kaiyun, a brand who share our challenger ambition.
“We look forward to working together, providing great experiences for fans.”
Kaiyun Sports Chief Marketing Officer said: “Kaiyun Sports look forward to working with Aston Villa to write a new story of football co-operation.
“We will work together to create a safe online and offline interaction for users - a one-stop sports and entertainment platform, providing fans around the world with a top sports experience.”
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Calm down, they share our challenger ambition...
Not this one I hope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster
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It won’t affect me I don’t gamble, so couldn’t care less if it was William Hill or Red32 or Genting, or any of the other myriad of gambling sponsors we see today in football.
It would be the same if we had any other sponsor, they are trying to raise the profile of their brand, so consumers will choose them.
I’ve never gambled online, or bought a photocopier, I do like Muller yoghurts though, and once drove a Rover. Otherwise I can’t say I have been influenced by Villa’s sponsors at all.
Exception - I did sign up to give to Acorns hospice directly because of the association with Aston Villa.
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They can absolutely f*** off.
Too right they can.
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Here is some proper irresponsible stuff, I can't believe Everton have let this go ahead.
Look at the wagering requirements for this offer:
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1562730774407049216?s=20&t=HqxNLAexYNvuA-UQ-5HbLg
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It won’t affect me I don’t gamble, so couldn’t care less if it was William Hill or Red32 or Genting, or any of the other myriad of gambling sponsors we see today in football.
It would be the same if we had any other sponsor, they are trying to raise the profile of their brand, so consumers will choose them.
I’ve never gambled online, or bought a photocopier, I do like Muller yoghurts though, and once drove a Rover. Otherwise I can’t say I have been influenced by Villa’s sponsors at all.
Exception - I did sign up to give to Acorns hospice directly because of the association with Aston Villa.
I've still no idea why we had cows plastered across the shirts.
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Aston Villa Chief Commercial Officer Nicola Ibbetson said: “We are delighted to be partnering with Kaiyun, a brand who share our challenger ambition.
WTF does that even mean?
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“We will work together to create a safe online and offline interaction for users - a one-stop sports and entertainment platform, providing fans around the world with a top sports experience.”
What a pile of horseshit.
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Don't be so cynical. They could be the first online gambling platform that guarantees you can't lose and gives free to view of all our games.
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It won’t affect me I don’t gamble, so couldn’t care less if it was William Hill or Red32 or Genting, or any of the other myriad of gambling sponsors we see today in football.
It would be the same if we had any other sponsor, they are trying to raise the profile of their brand, so consumers will choose them.
I’ve never gambled online, or bought a photocopier, I do like Muller yoghurts though, and once drove a Rover. Otherwise I can’t say I have been influenced by Villa’s sponsors at all.
Exception - I did sign up to give to Acorns hospice directly because of the association with Aston Villa.
The sad thing is CD there are thousands of people who are addicted to gambling, which has ended ruining their lives and in some cases ended in suicide, which is why I am extremely disappointed with this deal.
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Aston Villa Chief Commercial Officer Nicola Ibbetson said: “We are delighted to be partnering with Kaiyun, a brand who share our challenger ambition.
WTF does that even mean?
"They want to give us money."
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It won’t affect me I don’t gamble, so couldn’t care less if it was William Hill or Red32 or Genting, or any of the other myriad of gambling sponsors we see today in football.
It would be the same if we had any other sponsor, they are trying to raise the profile of their brand, so consumers will choose them.
I’ve never gambled online, or bought a photocopier, I do like Muller yoghurts though, and once drove a Rover. Otherwise I can’t say I have been influenced by Villa’s sponsors at all.
Exception - I did sign up to give to Acorns hospice directly because of the association with Aston Villa.
The sad thing is CD there are thousands of people who are addicted to gambling, which has ended ruining their lives and in some cases ended in suicide, which is why I am extremely disappointed with this deal.
This (usually) Asian betting company influx into English football is much more sinister than your bog standard Ray Winston's floaty head, bet-in-play, get your accas on stuff.
There's a whole other conversation to be had about the problems caused by gambling sponsorship from Paddy Power and Ladbrokes types.
This is a lot murkier (in every sense of the word) than that.
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We get a mention in this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62978864