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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2022, 02:00:42 PM
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we go again
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Coutinho undroppable
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Ings over Watkins is a bit of a shocker. Almost as much as not seeing Ings and Watkins. Buendia after his knock vs Fulham on the bench isn't a massive surprise.
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No Morgan >:(
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Them
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Interesting. Strongest bench we've named for quite some time. Really should be winning this.
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Like it, come on the Villa boys!
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Coutinho undroppable
are you suggesting Coutinho shouldn't be starting the first game of the season?
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Strong starting 11, but the quality on the bench really demonstrates how this squad is taking shape.
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Let's hope all the leadership in our team hasn't been left on the bench.
COYL!
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I like that line up.
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Would've preferred to see Buendia starting instead of Coutinho.
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4 -3 -3 then ?
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Interesting selection. Strong bench. On paper this team should do Bournemouth but as Fulham are proving newly promoted teams put in a huge amount of effort in the opening match.
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Strong starting 11, but the quality on the bench really demonstrates how this squad is taking shape.
Disappointing that Archer is the only kid on the bench, I'd really rather see KKH in the squad than Ashley Young.
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Coutinho undroppable
Why should he be dropped? He was arguably our best player against Man City. And he scored.
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Is it too early to ask about small collections of water? All suggestions gratefully received!
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And we're back.
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Strong starting 11, but the quality on the bench really demonstrates how this squad is taking shape.
Disappointing that Archer is the only kid on the bench, I'd really rather see KKH in the squad than Ashley Young.
Agree. Maybe because Young can play more positions. Admittedly, none of then very well since about 2015.
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I like that team. Mings will be off I think, followed by Doug and Watkins, I think the manager is making a statement today about moving on.
Hopefully if Ings isn't doing it Archer will come on.
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Would've preferred to see Buendia starting instead of Coutinho.
Same. Coutinho in hindering Buendia’s impact without merit.
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Ings over Watkins is a bit of a shocker. Almost as much as not seeing Ings and Watkins. Buendia after his knock vs Fulham on the bench isn't a massive surprise.
A shocher? Nah, Ings is generally a better finisher.
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No Ings + Watkins, that is a huge relief. No Nakamba/Sanson on the bench but both Augustinsson and Young included, I'm surprised by that. Buendia's lack of training gives Gerrard an excuse not to start him, but Ings ahead of Watkins is a big call.
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No Morgan >:(
Or Iroegbunam even with 9 subs which shows our strength in depth.
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Would've preferred to see Buendia starting instead of Coutinho.
Nope, plus didn't Emi B get a slight knock against Fulham?
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The bench looks like quite a decent side too.
The absences are interesting. A few loan moves and maybe some permanent deals still to come and we're still supposed to be after 1 or 2 players too.
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Coutinho undroppable
First game of a new season, arguably one of our best signings of all time... what a bizarre post!
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Sanson must have a move lined up then I take it?
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I'm happy with Coutinho starting and Emi coming on.
Fantastic option for the manager to have
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It would be interesting to know who the 2 are who travelled with the squad in case something happened to someone during the warm-up.
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When is the last time we had a full England international on the bench?
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When is the last time we had a full England international on the bench?
Our last match. Ashley Young.
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Do we really need 4 defenders on the bench? Heaven knows why Sanson is absent. A real quality player there
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If you play Coutinho then you have to play Ings who apparently is in fine form.
Like the team, the bench ain't bad either. Come on you Villa boys!
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Gerrard hinted at Mings possibly not starting, he said something along the lines of wanting to see the player that got into the England team and that player can get a start in this XI is something like that.
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When is the last time we had a full England international on the bench?
Our last match. Ashley Young.
Get the hell out of town!
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Sanson must have a move lined up then I take it?
Gerrard was saying he really impressed during pre season. But if Young is getting picked ahead of him....nice to see we have plenty of options at LB anyway!
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Sanson just now on Instagram: "100 per cent fit and ready for the team... 😉."
Wonder which team?
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Just win please, Villa.
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Sanson must have a move lined up then I take it?
Gerrard was saying he really impressed during pre season. But if Young is getting picked ahead of him....nice to see we have plenty of options at LB anyway!
We really don't have much luck with French signings do we?
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Maybe Keinan, Sanson, Tim and Marv are being saved for our big friendly against Liverpool tomorrow ::)
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I think I'd have had KKH in for Young, and Sanson in for Chambers. We don't need two central defenders on the bench, and Sanson is the only other midfielder with any drive if we need it.
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Coutinho undroppable
Well they haven’t played this season and in his last league game he scored a brilliant goal against the champions, so you know.
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Swap Konsa for Mings, and that's my predicted side. Not that I shared it with anyone, so you'll just have to believe me.
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Would have preferred Ollie to Ings, but there we are.
Score a hattrick now please!
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Back in the saddle again, fellow Villans!
Wonder how John McGinn will play after being given the captaincy: hope he'll be more positive and score more goals this season.
2-1 us. I don't care who scores!
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Any ideas for running water.
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Would've preferred to see Buendia starting instead of Coutinho.
Same. Coutinho in hindering Buendia’s impact without merit.
That’s just nonsense.
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Swap Ollie for Mitrovic for the craic?
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I think I'd have had KKH in for Young, and Sanson in for Chambers. We don't need two central defenders on the bench, and Sanson is the only other midfielder with any drive if we need it.
I think as this season goes along we will see Young phased out out for KKH and some of the other younger players coming into the fold. With 5 subs there are more chances to bring players on and rotate the line up. Game 1, having a bit more experience isn’t the worst thing. Sanson is the concern as he did well in pre season and you’d think he’d be on the bench at minimum. Chambers though offers extra positional flexibility
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I think I'd have had KKH in for Young, and Sanson in for Chambers. We don't need two central defenders on the bench, and Sanson is the only other midfielder with any drive if we need it.
I think as this season goes along we will see Young phased out out for KKH and some of the other younger players coming into the fold. With 5 subs there are more chances to bring players on and rotate the line up. Game 1, having a bit more experience isn’t the worst thing. Sanson is the concern as he did well in pre season and you’d think he’d be on the bench at minimum. Chambers though offers extra positional flexibility
I would also like to see the kids earn their place in the side rather than being given it. They need to impress when they get their opportunities.
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I suspect he wants Carlos at LCB. But also Mings has had a knock this week and may not be q00%. I need to risk him.
I like that side. No excuses.
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It would be interesting to know who the 2 are who travelled with the squad in case something happened to someone during the warm-up.
Tim Iroegbunam is definitely 1 reported by the press
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I suspect he wants Carlos at LCB. But also Mings has had a knock this week and may not be q00%. I need to risk him.
I like that side. No excuses.
Agree!
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Big chance for Ings then. Time to step up.
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Most importantly he has not gone Ings Watkins together.
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Swap Ollie for Mitrovic for the craic?
You think Mitrovic wants to sit on our bench?
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Anyone able to help with a way to watch please?
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Swap Ollie for Mitrovic for the craic?
You think Mitrovic wants to sit on our bench?
He'd get the chance to fight Ings to the death.
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Playing in all light blue.
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My stream is providing me with uninterrupted, high-quality coverage of a netball international. Australia lead England. Good game so far.
Edit: now interrupted by some bloody football at what looks like a non-league ground.
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What on earth has Parker come as?
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UTV! Fuck em up lads!
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Crap.
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1 down
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What on earth has Parker come as?
He is such a look at me twat
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FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKK
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Allez Allez again. Time to cull the same old faces.
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welp..
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Peak villa.
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So fucking Aston Villa
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Bollocks!
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Fucking hell
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The most Villa thing ever.
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Oh fuck off.
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Just tuned in. And shit! What the hell?!
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Fucking hell lol
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Cornerlty again
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Well that's quick
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Do not even think about turning in another Watford away performance, Villa.
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Rubbish
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What the fuck did we do over the summer?
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Konsa - load of wank
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Mmm I thought Gerrard was going to stop that shit
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So clearly corners are still a frailty for us then…
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Of course, we need match practice after a full pre-season you know!
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Predictable...
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Just great.
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Same shit as at Watford last season. Show some bollocks this time, Villa.
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COME ON VILLA!!!!!!
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That’s our season over then.
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fuck my old boots!
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Sitting in a pub in the Northern Highlands. From the length of the UK away, Villa still have the capacity to run my weekend.
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Get Tyrone on!
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Can anyone advise on any decent water sources?
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Long way to go. We are the better side. We have to get level quickly
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Defensively speaking, both the corner and the 'move' that led to it (read: gentle golf-chip into the box) were dealt with pathetically.
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Anyone able to help with a way to watch please?
It's on in Buskers in Temple Bar. https://twitter.com/AVFCIrishLions/status/1555909587559145473
Not much use to you or me today but worth bearing in mind should anyone be in Dublin this or any other weekend.
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Wtf is Scott Parker wearing.
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Good to see that not much has changed!
Why are we never up for it from the first minute?
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And so our confidence that they couldn't fuck this one up lasted 2 and half minutes. Oh Villa how you love to tease
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Ah I’ve missed the misery. Really.
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Nice play, good effort Ings.
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We are all over the place.
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Good fucking god. We are all over the fucking shop at the back
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So all the "we'll be a different beast" was predictable Scouse hot air.
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Our midfield look non-existent so far
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Not quite sure what the fuck the defence were doing there.
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We never change.
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They look like a bunch of ferrets who don't really know each other.
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A couple of months off and they've all completely forgotten how to defend.
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Danny Ings is getting himself into good positions.
Defensive growing pains without Mings?
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Well done Jacob, now just calm down and play
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Thinking of my mates who shelled out 70 notes each to train it down there today.
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Konsa has come out wearing his clown shoes.
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What kind of challenge/block was that by McGinn?! FFS
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Is this really a surprise to anyone? With Bournemouth being the weakest squad in the division as well. Roll on Everton.
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God we are so ponderous on the ball™
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Bournemouth look up for it.
At least more up for it than we are. Not exactly hard though
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If anyone wants to pm me, I can help.
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If anyone needs a pm, I can help.
Me please
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You’d think we were Brazil 1970 in the way slow down the game to a walking pace.
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McGinn is shit. Should be nowhere near the starting 11 when Buendia is on the bench.
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We aren't very good so far.
Far too stressful and have turned it off. Whiskey is the only answer I think.
Up the villa!
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Be fair Gerard needs a pre season …..oh
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If anyone needs a pm, I can help.
Yes please!
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I don't know why he picked Konsa over Mings
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If anyone needs a pm, I can help.
Yes please!
Me too please. Thanks
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If anyone wants to pm me, I can help.
Please
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If anyone needs a pm, I can help.
Yes please!
Me too please1
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The traditional McGinn rocket into the stands.
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Not a lot of 'philosophy' or 'identity' on display huh.
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We still love that long ball down the wings don’t we?
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Where's Rudy Gestede when you need him.
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I don't know why he picked Konsa over Mings
Don’t know why he picked him over Chambers based on pre season form
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If anyone wants to pm me, I can help.
Yes please
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When Gerrard says that McGinn's place isn't guaranteed just because he's captain, would half time in the first game of the season be too soon to replace him?
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Danny Ings is getting himself into good positions.
Defensive growing pains without Mings?
Yes please BE.
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McGinn is shit. Should be nowhere near the starting 11 when Buendia is on the bench.
Agreed, Buendia or no Buendia.
Instead SG thinks he’s captain material at the expense of our best centre-half.
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I don't know why he picked Konsa over Mings
Don’t know why he picked him over Chambers based on pre season form
Absolutely agree with this.
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Yes please BE, I can't dm you for some reason
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We still love that long ball down the wings don’t we?
Chips into the channels, looking for crosses, hoping bobbles in midfield go our way...all a bit unconvincing to be honest.
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Oh, THERE'S Coutinho... First time I've seen him this game!
All pretty bad so far... Only player that looks up for it in a Villa shirt so far is Ings.
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Languidly passing the ball between ourselves in our own half, like we're Brazil 1970 in the build up to that Carlos Alberto goal, except rather than move forward, at some point we lump it in the vague direction of a 'channel' and lose possession.
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Positionally I find Ramsey on the left of the midfield utterly useless and a waste of his talents. Swap him with McGinn.
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Different Manager same old errors and favouritism.
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This might be unpopular, but I'd start Buendia over Ramsay. We just don't have any cutting edge. Our midfield is... aimless again.
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We just need to wake up. Not seeing much evidence of us being able to break down sides again… yet
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We have had some disappointing opening days down the years: 96-97, 97-98, 03-04, 09-10 spring to mind.
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21-22
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McGinn losing the ball and saved by Kamara... AGAIN. Fucking hell... great choice of captain.
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What the fuck is Coutinho doing? Useless.
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That was a shit set piece routine. If only we had a set piece coach
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fair point, last year was v disappointing
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They should have scored again there. Fucking hell.
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Fuck me, nearly 2 there.
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McGinn needs to be dropped from the captaincy to make his game better….oh.
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FFS Villa, sort it out.
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Another stupid yellow card now for Ings
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Villa have me bored rigid already.
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Coutinho is not going to contribute anything if he spends most of his time around the halfway line.
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Stupid challenge Ings.
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Ings booked.
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I am allowed to say this is fucking awful yet?
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They should have scored again there. Fucking hell.
It just need an invisible hand to guide in that cross by Adam Smith.
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Where the fuck was Digne there?!!
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Sorry EZ, devilla and dicedlam. I can't send any more pms for an hour
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Can we change the 5 sub rule to 11?
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They should have scored again there. Fucking hell.
It just need an invisible hand to guide in that cross by Adam Smith.
I was just about to suggest Smith was tripped by an invisible hand then.
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Sorry EZ, devilla and dicedlam. I can't send any more pms for an hour
Lucky, lucky bastards
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Sorry EZ, devilla and dicedlam. I can't send any more pms for an hour
No problem. I'm sorted.
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New season, same old shite
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They should have scored again there. Fucking hell.
It just need an invisible hand to guide in that cross by Adam Smith.
We've spent the Wealth of Nations and we're losing to sodding Bournemouth.
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They should have scored again there. Fucking hell.
It just need an invisible hand to guide in that cross by Adam Smith.
I was just about to suggest Smith was tripped by an invisible hand then.
It just goes to show that you can, like the Villa, have the wealth of nations, but it means fuck all if you can't clear your lines from the first corner you face.
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What the fuck is Coutinho doing? Useless.
Doesn't look that bothered either
Ings and Bailey look sharp but we are wide open on the counter attack and both CBs struggling physically. We seem to be defending too deep.
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Is 3 mins the record for shatter of optimism in a season?
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Jinx!
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Afraid this is terrible.
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Going forward we look bereft of ideas. Aimless.
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It’s all smoke and mirrors our net spend is shit again.
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I like Bournemouth's kit.
Looks like a reworking of an Inter kit of recent years. In red.
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Sorry EZ, devilla and dicedlam. I can't send any more pms for an hour
No worries BE, sorted now thanks.
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Is 3 mins the record for shatter of optimism in a season?
I thought the goal was on 1 minute 29 seconds.
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It’s one thing for Bournemouth to be constantly doing those stupid short goal kicks vs Aston Villa. We offer nothing as a threat. But they’re going to pay for it against better sides.
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I like Bournemouth's kit.
Looks like a reworking of an Inter kit of recent years. In red.
We're certainly making them look like Inter Milan.
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They should have scored again there. Fucking hell.
It just need an invisible hand to guide in that cross by Adam Smith.
We've spent the Wealth of Nations and we're losing to sodding Bournemouth.
We need more of this. https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1555542933474099204
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Our midfield looks so absent, I was starting to think Luiz was on the pitch.
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Is it full time yet?
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I hope that this is our shite half.
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We are so huff and puff, all fart no shit, and whatever not exactly flattering description you can think of.
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Coutinho been anonymous.
Would look to get Luiz and Buendia on at half time, 5 subs gives you that flexibility so use it.
Awful, more things change the more they predictably stay the same for us compared to other clubs.
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Sorry EZ, devilla and dicedlam. I can't send any more pms for an hour
No worries BE, sorted now thanks.
Any chance of returning the favour?
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Either the coaching or McGinn isn't good enough, but it's one of them. Every time he gets the ball he looks like a dog on a hot patio, all jumpy and ungainly, taking 20 touches before passing it sideways. Either the structure isn't there to give him options, or he's not good enough to execute it.
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Parker has completely mugged us over here
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Why is Danny Ings so deep?
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What is it about us that makes us so inconsistent?
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I am allowed to say this is fucking awful yet?
Yes you are and I agree.
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It’s all smoke and mirrors our net spend is shit again.
Not spending enough is not something you can level at our owners. We have a far better squad than this lot but we lack character and bravery as usual.
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A big slice of humble pie for Gerrard to eat with his half time cup of tea would be appropriate.
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Prediction - subs will improve us, Gerrard will say it's given him a lot to think about, next week same team.
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The crossing is atrocious!
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What's really weird here is that when we're on the ball we create a massive gap in the centre of the park.
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What is it about us that makes us so inconsistent?
Ineffectual players and tactics, I think.
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I think we need to be 4-2-3-1 with McGinn not in the first XI. This 4-3-3 with very meat-and-two-veg tactics doesn't work.
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Well we seemed to improve in the second half of the friendlies and we need to do the same today.
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Three offsides in half an hour is criminal.
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Ings doesn’t have the lung capacity to play this chase the long ball style. I fucking hate the chase the long ball style.
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What is it about us that makes us so inconsistent?
Ineffectual players and tactics, I think.
We have a whole pile of full internationals
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It’s all smoke and mirrors our net spend is shit again.
Not spending enough is not something you can level at our owners. We have a far better squad than this lot but we lack character and bravery as usual.
I assumed it was another Adam Smith reference.
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Gerrard is simply a chancer.
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We don’t do much with corners do we?
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Bournemouth have allready started wasting time , expect lots more fucking about and general twattishness
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What is it about us that makes us so inconsistent?
Ineffectual players and tactics, I think.
We have a whole pile of full internationals
We do but they seem ineffective so far.
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Floating hopeful balls into the channels is pointless when you've only got one player with any pace.
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Coutinho has become a proper Villa player.
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Coutinho has been absolutely shite.
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Keep reshaping that squad Steven.
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Floating hopeful balls into the channels is pointless when you've only got one player with any pace.
It also shows that your coaching is substandard.
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If Bailey can't use his right foot *at all* he needs to be playing on the left.
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Why is Gerrard the only one who couldn't predict Coutinho being as ineffective as he has been this first half?
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some of you seem more keen for Gerrard to fail than for villa to succeed.
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Well we seemed to improve in the second half of the friendlies and we need to do the same today.
Which came from mostly changing the team that started the games!
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Offside again! What the hell have we been practicing??
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Floating hopeful balls into the channels is pointless when you've only got one player with any pace.
It also shows that your coaching is substandard.
Might have helped if our highly rated new Assistant could have gone to Australia
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It's difficult to see what we do in training.
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Has their keeper made a save so far?
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Much more of the ball last 15, but we are not doing much with it, we need to start creating chances soon…
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We beat Brisbane Roar at least.
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some of you seem more keen for Gerrard to fail than for villa to succeed.
He seems to be doing a pretty good job of that on his own.
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Meanwhile, the brains of Gerrards operation has QPR beating Middlesbrough 3-0 after 40 minutes....
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Has their keeper made a save so far?
We NEVER take enough shots on goal, before you even talk about shots on target.
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McGinn and Coutinho have been particularly shit.
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Changes at half-time please. This isn't working.
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They subbed him for an outfield player
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some of you seem more keen for Gerrard to fail than for villa to succeed.
You mean you've only just noticed. Same old coterie at it already, it's embarrassing really.
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Is there any reason why Buendia and Coutinho cannot play together?
I’m not enjoying this so far. They’re parking the bus.
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John McGinn playing the right side of midfield is absolutely stupid
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The positioning of the midfield three is shite. They're not providing options. Looks to me like Ramsey and McGinn don't know where they're supposed to be.
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Is there any reason why Buendia and Coutinho cannot play together?
I’m not enjoying this so far. They’re parking the bus.
They don't even need a bus. A decent sized family estate would do it.
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Garbage
The treatment of AEG,Sanson and others is a disgrace and could come back to haunt him
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Knew this would happen because I was almost certain we'd stroll it today 😔
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some of you seem more keen for Gerrard to fail than for villa to succeed.
That’s nonsense. People want Villa to succeed and by extension the manager must have been successful. Nobody wants Gerrard to fail.
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Knew this would happen because I was almost certain we'd stroll it today 😔
I blame Dave's uncharacteristically optimistic preview. :)
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1st time I've followed a game on the match thread
It really is brutal isn't it?
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That's a penalty surely?
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It's very difficult to understand what the plan is here.
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Fuck me this is dire!
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Coutinho has been shit
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If this weren't already painful enough to watch, the bloody camera might as well be in the dugout.
Tinpot stadium.
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It's very difficult to understand what the plan is here.
It's not a plan, it's a philosophy.
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Bailey looks our only hope for a goal
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Ramsey’s shot epitomizes our entire first half
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I know it’s not especially relevant to the football but although their ground does look like something non-league, I do love proper corner floodlights. That’s been all I can say I’ve enjoyed of the game so far.
What the fuck was that Ramsey?!
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Haven't seen the new Bailey yet.
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Martinez has to play. He is our best forward player and the only one who seems to be able to break extremely limited teams like this down. Bailey seems to have turned back into last seasons vintage.
A depressing first half that looks a lot last the last 10 games from last season.
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What's happening on the tablet?
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McGinn, Ramsay, Coutinho off; Buendia on. Pretty sure we'd still look better.
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Fuck me this is dire!
Dire is the guy we all turn our noses up at but he's scored for Spurs today and he speaks 3 different languages which helps all his wonderful teammates settle!
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Martinez has to play. He is our best forward player and the only one who seems to be able to break extremely limited teams like this down.
Hmmkay.
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I'm desperate for Gerrard to succeed.
This has been pitiful.
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Has Coutinho been shit?
Can't tell by the comments..
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Who's the co-commentator? I recognise the voice but can't place it.
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Does anyone spend more time on his arse with his hand in the air than John McGinn?
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Still look too powder puff to me
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Coutinho has been absolutely shite.
As I've said before, if SG insists on playing him, play him in the home games as he's a waste of a shirt away from home.
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One of those halves where we looked like we've downed 10 pints down Boscombe the night before.
Average crosses and set pieces, poor shots. Going to need to switch it quickly rather than waiting until 75th minute otherwise we'll be 2 down and yet another awful opening day result to newly promoted team.
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Who's the co-commentator? I recognise the voice but can't place it.
Tony Gale I think
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Martinez has to play. He is our best forward player and the only one who seems to be able to break extremely limited teams like this down.
Hmmkay.
It's a bit radical but I'm not against giving it a go.
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some of you seem more keen for Gerrard to fail than for villa to succeed.
That’s nonsense. People want Villa to succeed and by extension the manager must have been successful. Nobody wants Gerrard to fail.
Hate comments like this, absolutely no Villa fan wants Gerrard to fail because it means we'll be shit. And no Villa fan wants us to be shit.
I think he's in over his head, but I'd absolutely love to be wrong.
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Martinez has to play. He is our best forward player and the only one who seems to be able to break extremely limited teams like this down. Bailey seems to have turned back into last seasons vintage.
A depressing first half that looks a lot last the last 10 games from last season.
Might leave us a bit exposed at the back but it’d certainly confuse Bournemouth - why not!
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Still look too powder puff to me
Yes let's get three bodybuilders in there, they'll keep the ball for sure.
As ever, the problem is coaching and technique, not benchpressing ability.
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Martinez has to play. He is our best forward player and the only one who seems to be able to break extremely limited teams like this down.
Hmmkay.
Ha! Meant Buendia obvs...
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Garbage
The treatment of AEG,Sanson and others is a disgrace and could come back to haunt him
Totally agree. Fair enough taking the captaincy off Mings, is acceptable, putting him on the bench against these is a disgrace. Is humiliating these players, whilst picking his favourites.
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some of you seem more keen for Gerrard to fail than for villa to succeed.
I'm sure we'd all like nothing more than for Gerrard to succeed with us, but has there been any evidence of progress since he joined, besides some eyebrow-raising signings?
Being realistic, the ONLY area he's improved us is in his pulling power to attract new signings. Have we improved AT ALL on the pitch since he joined?
He talks the talk about players being picked on merit, then makes one of the worst performers last season our captain (*and so far this season on current evidence)! He benches Chambers, our most in form CB, and doesn't even put Sanson in the squad despite outshining McGinn in pretty much every match he's got a chance to step onto the pitch.
Being this shit, with the quality we have, against a shitty little club like Bournemouth with Scott Parker in charge, is nowhere near good enough for the outlay of our owners. With those two lineups, this should finish as a cricket score... but we're clueless.
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I am all for Gerrard, he has plenty of time in the bank to show he can do it.
Slightly concerned by the degree to which he talks the talk without ever really walking the walk.
Not sure how one of the greatest midfielders of recent generations manages to have us look like we've decided to forego having any midfield at all week after week, mind.
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Shit.
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I am sure Stevie Sherwood will adjust his tactics at HT.
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It doesn’t matter who our manager is we never seem to ever come out and dominate a game in the first half. And not just possession but clear cut chances, shots on goal. When was the last time?
What a fucking shit first half that was
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Still look too powder puff to me
Yes let's get three bodybuilders in there, they'll keep the ball for sure.
As ever, the problem is coaching and technique, not benchpressing ability.
Who said anything about lifting weights?
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Back to having my weekend ruined. Fuck of Villa.
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Okay. A repeat of the Watford opening game second half now will do...
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What's happening on the tablet?
lolz.
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Why do we keep having NO FUCKING MIDFIELD?
Where are they?
It's all down the left flank, short passes going nowhere and a big fucking void in the middle.
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McGinn -> Luiz
Bundia -> Ramsey
Go 4231 in 2nd half.
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It doesn’t matter who our manager is we never seem to ever come out and dominate a game in the first half. And not just possession but clear cut chances, shots on goal. When was the last time?
What a fucking shit first half that was
Spurs at home last season was the last time I can remember. And we all know how that fcuking ended!
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We don't look ready for the new season.
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Well, that was utter, utter shite.
Konsa, shite.
McGinn, shite.
Konsa, shite.
Couthinhio, shite.
Ramsey shite.
I'd be using that new fangled 5 subs rule and bin them all off.
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We are a very easy team to work out
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Back to having my weekend ruined. Fuck of Villa.
Yeah, I was enjoying the summer. Now every other week I'm going to be in a right mood.
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We are losing but I think we are in total control of the game - the issue is a lack of movement up front and Coutinho just hasn’t been at it.
Not going to over react - 45 mins in, Liverpool we’re losing after 45 too and it can happen again Neely promoted sides.
Need to say more pace 2nd half - I’d take Coutinho and Ings off and bring Buendia and Archer on
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Does anyone spend more time on his arse with his hand in the air than John McGinn?
That's our captain. ;)
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Be a bit embarrassing if the newly appointed captain makes way for the recently demoted captain.
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Well, that was utter, utter shite.
Konsa, shite.
McGinn, shite.
Konsa, shite.
Couthinhio, shite.
Ramsey shite.
I'd be using that new fangled 5 subs rule and bin them all off.
Subbing someone off twice is quite a statement.
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Looking forward to our customary good half.
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Playing with 10 really. Football is a simple game, play the players that make a difference not the ones you like.
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Still no pace or physicality in our side. Team full of one paced midgets.
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What a crock of shite, no pace or urgency, not one threatening looking ball in! McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all a waste of a shirt, and one is our now undroppable captain.
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Absolutely piss poor.
So one paced and predictable, it's untrue.
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The fact that McGinn, Kamara and Ramsey are SO far apart most of the time MUST be deliberate, but I can't for the life of me understand why? We're getting plenty of the ball, but no real quality possession in the final third and almost impossible to create against the bus they've (understandably) parked.
Second half will be like a training exercise, attack against defence, with them trying to nick one on the break. The way it's going, we just don't look like scoring - not that the forwards have had any real chances yet.
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Dont look like scoring
Coutinho Playing ?
early defensive fuck up
seems familiar
Change it up get Beunidia
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We’re so laboured when we have the ball. There’s no zip to our play at all. Only Bailey is offering something up front and that’s not a great deal either.
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Still no pace or physicality in our side. Team full of one paced midgets.
Ha ha.
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Still look too powder puff to me
Yes let's get three bodybuilders in there, they'll keep the ball for sure.
As ever, the problem is coaching and technique, not benchpressing ability.
Who said anything about lifting weights?
'Powderpuff' generally means 'get big bastards in', no?
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We are losing but I think we are in total control of the game.
Are you smashed? Billing (like usual against us) looks in total control to me.
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It doesn’t matter who our manager is we never seem to ever come out and dominate a game in the first half. And not just possession but clear cut chances, shots on goal. When was the last time?
What a fucking shit first half that was
Spurs at home last season, sure we dominated the first half. Still went in 1-0 down!
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I hope Gerrard is tearing them all a new arsehole. Then I hope Wes gets on the phone, and tears Gerrard one. There's absolutely no excuse whatsoever for putting in a performance that bad.
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Why do we keep having NO FUCKING MIDFIELD?
Where are they?
It's all down the left flank, short passes going nowhere and a big fucking void in the middle.
Exactly! The midfield or lack of one is the problem. Coutinho, Ramsey joined by Digne queuing up to lose the ball. Pointless.
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The kit is lovely
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Could someone oblige me with a pm please?...
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Garbage first half, Ings and Bailey the only ones to come out with any credit. The rest look like nervous sunday pub league players.
I would not have started with Konsa and Ramsey, would have played Chambers and Luiz...and now I'd put Buendia on for Ramsey
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Don't like the same short colour as the shirt neither
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It can’t be any worse second half can it?
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Give away an early goal.
Dominant without ever looking likely to score.
Give a 2nd goal away early second half
Watkins comes on & misses chances
We score a goal with 2 mins to go & lose 2-1.
We"ve been here before.
Ings upfront in his own & Couthino on the left doesn't work.
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Still look too powder puff to me
Yes let's get three bodybuilders in there, they'll keep the ball for sure.
As ever, the problem is coaching and technique, not benchpressing ability.
Who said anything about lifting weights?
'Powderpuff' generally means 'get big bastards in', no?
Only to tactically devoid people
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It can’t be any worse second half can it?
I hope that was our bad half.
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It's not like Bournemouth aren't awful, they just haven't had to try very hard to be 1-0 up.
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Abysmal. Ramsey and McGinn have done fuck all. Ings has 3 shots/headers - all shit. Bailey the only one who can hold his head up.
Need Buendia on sooner rather than later.
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Awful truly awful, please improve you spineless bastards
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Still look too powder puff to me
Yes let's get three bodybuilders in there, they'll keep the ball for sure.
As ever, the problem is coaching and technique, not benchpressing ability.
Who said anything about lifting weights?
'Powderpuff' generally means 'get big bastards in', no?
Only to tactically devoid people
No comment.
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Giving up a goal so easily is the problem.
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McGinn his customary useless, see being made captain hasn't impacted that.
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McGinn -> Luiz
Bundia -> Ramsey
Go 4231 in 2nd half.
Is the correct answer. It's not difficult to fit Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey in the same side. If one of them isn't performing you hook them for Traore (yep) or Ramsey, or a striker if you're chasing and getting desperate, or revert to this formation currently when protecting a lead against Bournemouth if you must. We seem to be dropping into a back three on the ball as well, which seems daft when they're 1-0 up and sitting deep. Carlos doesn't need Kamara there to find Konsa.
I really doubt we'll win this. We've created nothing and I don't think we'll make the changes needed to look more dangerous.
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Postman just delivered my ST with badge and a biro. I hope that is a good omen.
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Why do we keep having NO FUCKING MIDFIELD?
Where are they?
It's all down the left flank, short passes going nowhere and a big fucking void in the middle.
Exactly! The midfield or lack of one is the problem. Coutinho, Ramsey joined by Digne queuing up to lose the ball. Pointless.
On top of missing ollies tracking back and work rate ….. never mind 5 subs to come
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Still look too powder puff to me
Yes let's get three bodybuilders in there, they'll keep the ball for sure.
As ever, the problem is coaching and technique, not benchpressing ability.
Who said anything about lifting weights?
'Powderpuff' generally means 'get big bastards in', no?
Only to tactically devoid people
I think you'd better define 'powderpuff', 'cos I don't know what you're getting at, here.
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Emi on
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The kit is lovely
We are playing like Coventry City
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Emi for Ramsey
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What the fuck was that yodelling about?
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Giving up a goal so easily is the problem.
It's us not being able to ignore the setback and use the remaining 43 minutes of the first half to run up the park and put the ball in the back of the net a couple of times that is the problem the useless tossers what the fuck have they been doing in pre-season the overpaid incompetents?
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Digne off the pitch for their goal as he was removing a piece of jewellery? FFS
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Giving up a goal so easily is the problem.
It's us not being able to ignore the setback and use the remaining 43 minutes of the second half to run up the park and put the ball in the back of the net a couple of times that is the problem the useless tossers what the fuck have they been doing in pre-season the overpaid incompetents?
They had a trip to Australia.
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Early door lads but we don't look capable of a top half finish at playing like this.
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Wtf was that free kick
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Emi for Ramsey
Easy sub. The more difficult and correct would have been Emi for Phil.
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Wtf was that free kick
It made me laugh out loud
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Fucking hell Coutinho
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Digne off the pitch for their goal as he was removing a piece of jewellery? FFS
What?
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Jesus…wtf was that!
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Commentator has just said that when Bournemoth scored, Digne was off the pitch taking off some jewellery. What sort of amateur outfit lets that happen?
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Digne off the pitch for their goal as he was removing a piece of jewellery? FFS
What?
That is what the commentator said.
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Sums up Coutinho's day, lucky to still be on the pitch.
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Oh dear.
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Commentator has just said that when Bournemoth scored, Digne was off the pitch taking off some jewellery. What sort of amateur outfit lets that happen?
What?
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Didn’t realise we were down to 10 men when conceding as Digne had been asked to leave the pitch as was wearing jewellery !
FFS how basic
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Didn’t realise we were down to 10 men when conceding as Digne had been asked to leave the pitch as was wearing jewellery !
FFS how basic
What?
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Didn’t realise we were down to 10 men when conceding as Digne had been asked to leave the pitch as was wearing jewellery !
FFS how basic
What?
Think he was removing a diamond studded ear ring that he wears !!
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Commentator has just said that when Bournemoth scored, Digne was off the pitch taking off some jewellery. What sort of amateur outfit lets that happen?
Fine him a fortnight's salary.
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It’s only a matter of time before the manager brings Ash on to turn things around
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Bit unfair it was his cock piercing.
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Get Coutinho off. Utter shit.
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Looks like it's going to be two shite halves then.
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Bit unfair it was his cock piercing.
Vagina piercing more like
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Totally passive again.
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Didn’t realise we were down to 10 men when conceding as Digne had been asked to leave the pitch as was wearing jewellery !
FFS how basic
What?
You know that from the earliest point you start playing the game no jewelry. Let alone a professional footballer playing at the pinnacle of the game.
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Zero response from us so far.
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I don’t think we’re the best version of ourselves today.
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Gerrard Out. Unlock the thread.
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McGinn is just utter, utter shit. Stop fucking moaning and complaining all the fucking time you twat.
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Endless passes around the halfway line.
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McGinn you are shite.
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Everything.....is...... so......... slow.
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It’s really worrying with him being a nailed on starter we are going to be starting every game with ten men.
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...no jewelry. Let alone a professional footballer playing at the pinnacle of the game.
The pinnacle you say?
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Looks like Gerrard has thrown a few fucks into them. Not.
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Imagine if we were playing a half decent side here, rather than one so sure to go down, they've got the iron turned on ready to put on the Championship sleeve patches.
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McGinn is just utter, utter shit. Stop fucking moaning and complaining all the fucking time you twat.
That's our captain, you're talking about!!
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This is really terrible.
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Get Ings off and Watkins or Cam on. We have no mobility or movement up front at all.
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Buendia and Bailey are the only ones that understand what direction the goal is. Go and get a goal.
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Ings has done his usual disappearing act.
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I feel like an idiot for hoping (sort of expecting) us to be sharp, passing it well, creating chances, having shots, maybe taking the piss a bit. We've been as awful as we were for lots of last season and it's hard to see what's different.
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...no jewelry. Let alone a professional footballer playing at the pinnacle of the game.
The pinnacle you say?
Having made it as a French international about to play in the WC. I’d say yes.
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Bournemouth look superior to us.
Parker's suit jacket is rubbish.
Gerrard's tactics as useful as a wet tissue. Fuck the lot of them
Inept players, pathetic captain, slow dreary, same old twats all over the pitch
Not impressed at all
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I thought it was a BE pun on the word.
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Ings off or we're fucked
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...no jewelry. Let alone a professional footballer playing at the pinnacle of the game.
The pinnacle you say?
Having made it as a French international about to play in the WC. I’d say yes.
OK if you are going to be all serious about it. :-/
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Ings has done his usual disappearing act.
How many more games does he have to play before Gerrard realises this.
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Cash slinging crosses in from no where near the by line ffs
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Ollie coming on for Ings
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Get fkn Ings off now SG
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Watkins going on.
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Has Buendia been going to the same all you can eat restaurant as McGinn?
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Look on the bright side it’ll be over by 10 to 5. Sorry I meant 2 minutes past three.
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...no jewelry. Let alone a professional footballer playing at the pinnacle of the game.
The pinnacle you say?
Having made it as a French international about to play in the WC. I’d say yes.
OK if you are going to be all serious about it. :-/
Ha, sorry man I knew you weren’t on about playing for the club from B6
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Can we have Man City away first game of the season next year, please? Seeing as we are always half-arsed it may as well be a match we would have lost anyway.
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The stream I was watching has just changed to Netball! I might stick with it!!!
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It is only the first game of the season but it is somewhat depressing to even be feeling a hint of that sinking sensation that we're going to have yet another shit season.
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We making Bournemouth look like AC Milan.
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I now have "Diamonds in the lobes of his ears" by Paul Simon on my internal jukebox.
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Fenton coming on for Ings
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The stream I was watching has just changed to Netball! I might stick with it!!!
If there's a fat girl in the middle for one of the teams, it's still the football, that's our captain.
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Close from kamara
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And Sky keep showing that Man City family celebrating one of their goals vs us in front of Micah effing Richards. Sigh.
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Best effort of the game by Kamara. Our defensive midfielder
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Everything going through Buendia in that ten role. Well I never.
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Shooting from 30 years or hitting hopeful diagonal (crap) crosses is our attacking game plan - that is just not good enough. Better now Buendia is on though.
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I was hoping Ings fitness level would have improved with a full pre season but no.
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Everything going through Buendia in that ten role. Well I never.
We need a surprised panda gif or something.
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The stream I was watching has just changed to Netball! I might stick with it!!!
Spoiler: We lose.
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Another one who has disappeared is Bailey. Started brightly, but disappeared this half.
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It just doesn’t look like we will score today
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Is Coutinho still on the pitch?
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Come on Villa we only need three for my pre-match prediction to come true. Sort of.
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How sad. Stream frozen and neither myself or son are interested to refresh it!
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Cam to unlock their parked bus in the 88th.
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Crap cross there
Come on villa
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Is Coutinho still on the pitch?
He's won a corner here.
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Corner was shite.
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So slow and predictable.
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Any one else think Coutinho legs have gone?
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Perfect example there of our problems. Kamara wins the ball and literally no quick movement around him. By the time Bailey is available is pressed into a postage stamp worth of space with no room to work.
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Shooting from 30 years or hitting hopeful diagonal (crap) crosses is our attacking game plan - that is just not good enough. Better now Buendia is on though.
At least we'd have Dean Saunders and Dalian Atkinson ;)
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Best effort of the game by Kamara. Our defensive midfielder
Pick of the bunch, good debut.
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As if Watkins is going to score.
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Lots of pressure but not really making anything.
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70 minutes and not one save by their keeper
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All villa but no quality
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All our crosses are just hopeful punts into the box.
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And another shit cross
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Our crosses have been absolutely fucking shit
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Why are we putting crosses in when we have half a dozen hobbits in our attack?! Pass to feet you fucking imbeciles!
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70 minutes and not one save by their keeper
That sums it up really, TV.
Atrocious.
Big 20 minutes coming up
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Just punting it into the box is not working lads.
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Good God, Digne
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70 minutes and not one save by their keeper
Sounds like we're 4 or 5 up.
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Absolutely no fucking idea
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Bournemouth our bogey side
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The frequency with which we have a man in possession in the middle and he's got nobody to pass to other than someone 10 feet behind him who'll give it straight back to him, probably to then repeat the transaction, like some sort of terrible Man City possession tribute act.
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Chukwemmika doesn't make the Chelsea squad.
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Bournemouth have been set up defensively from before the pre-match warm up. Parkthe bus, and played for a goal on the break.
Guess our plan was to get a goal, forcing them to come out and then we could get in behind them and romp away with the game.
Typically though, we shot ourselves in the foot within 3 minutes and we haven't got the nous to break them down.
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Get Cam on for Bailey or Coutinho. Go two up front for the last 15
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Gerrard out smarted by parker
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Get Cam on for Bailey or Coutinho. Go two up front for the last 15
This.
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So disappointed
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I've not been this depressed since the season ended.
I might have to give up football all together.
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They will get another
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Looks like I picked the right season to not renew
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After the latest knock Kamara looks less than mobile
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All our crosses are just hopeful punts into the box.
Them be the tactics for today.
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If we could get a draw we could at least say mind the gap Wolves. Fucking shit. I don't see how Steven Gerrard is any upgrade on Dean Smith.
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Tripe
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Ings was non-existent this half - Ollie's somehow beaten him since coming on.
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Why are we putting crosses in when we have half a dozen hobbits in our attack?! Pass to feet you fucking imbeciles!
Agreed, it's the height...of stupidity. We look a rabble in truth, can anyone even decipher what formation we are trying to play? Get Archer on, Bailey + Coutinho might aswell be in the stand.
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Do some goals please Villa, you twats.
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From a goal kick they were able to play it without any pressure whatsoever with 15 minutes to go and we are a goal down
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We look like Manchester city but resemble Bez from Manchester
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2-0 lol
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Doug and Cam coming on. I would say for Coutinho and Bailey if I’m guessing
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Fuck off.
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At least there is more of the summer still left to look forward to this year, after the opening game of the season, than is usually the case.
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See ya. What an absolutely shit shit start to the season yet again
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They will get another
Rold
They will get another
They will get another
Told ya
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2-0
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Not watching any more of this shit.
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Mings has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
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Fuck me but this is just as grim a start as last season.
Even by our very low standards, the defense is an absolute mess. Shambolic.
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Wtf chambers didn't start
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Fuck off football
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If this is the ‘identity’ Gerrard keeps banging on about, he can shove it up his fecking arse.
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I think we have a problem, this manager has been found out.
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Bailey is shit
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Deja vu. We have no idea how to grind out draws. We either win but more often than not we lose. Let's see him explain this one.
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For the sake of fuck!
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Mings has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
Chambers has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
Fixed it for ya ;)
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At least we fucking scored at Watford.
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If this is the ‘identity’ Gerrard keeps banging on about, he can shove it up his fecking arse.
Sideways!
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I think we have a problem, this manager has been found out.
There was nothing to find!
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There are so many absolute no-mark, pointless, generally Southern clubs where we have an atrocious record. Bournemouth, Cuntford, Palace, Millwall, Watford, Luton, Fulham. Absolutely pathetic.
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Countinho should not do away games
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We look like Manchester city but resemble Bez from Manchester
I wish, Bez has cleaned his act up.
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We look like we won't score if we play till next month.
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Mings has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
Chambers has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
Fixed it for ya ;)
Mings has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
Chambers has to come in for Konsa next week. What a disaster this has been
Fixed it for ya ;)
Both CB’s nowhere near enough good enough today….. commentator just summed up our team well, too much pretty football, no physicality
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Do we have a bad record against these? Didn't we do the double over them even in the relegation year?
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It’s going to be a long season. Again.
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If Archer is the real deal then he'll score a hat-trick and we win this.
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We beat them once then have lost the last three (four now).
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Can't do much more of this
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Is it 2 wins in 12 now
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Just fuck off all of them, fucking disgrace to the shirt
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Gerard doing the back in the chair vinegar face
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Our manager has been completely out coached by their manager.
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Our play is so very pedestrian. Just a bunch of blokes standing around waiting for things to happen
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Stream came back just in time to see the unmarked player get their second. Terrible performance but I'm not surprised against a newly promoted side away on the first day.
Can't wait to hear what Gerrard says about this omnishambles.
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Do we have a bad record against these? Didn't we do the double over them even in the relegation year?
Today means our record against them is W4 D1 L5
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Edens is there watching this.
I bet he's going to be well chuffed.
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Does Gerrard seriously think playing at this pedestrian pace is going to be successful?
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Tony Gale reckons Gerrard and McAllister won't stand for this. Funny that, because they've been standing for it for fucking months now, and nothing has changed.
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Bag of shit
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I am seething
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New season, same old shit. How many times do we say this on the opening day? New players, new owners, new managers, lots of money spent over the last few years but nothing ever seems to change.
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Awful
No cohesion, no idea when attacking, defence was poor. Got what we deserved
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14th place seems like an aspiration now.
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Tony Gale reckons Gerrard and McAllister won't stand for this. Funny that, because they've been standing for it for fucking months now, and nothing has changed.
spot on
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Never came close. A very worrying performance. Results like this happen, especially on the first day of season. But performances like this don’t unless there is something very wrong with the set up. In 100 minutes (including stoppage time in both halves) Kamara had a shot fractionally wide, otherwise we never ever came close to scoring. Ings not good enough, neither is Watkins. McGinn is a bottom third PL standard player and he’s our captain. Ramsey is simply overrated. And Coutinho played very poorly as if he didn’t care.
Gerrard has some serious question marks over him.
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Carlos was a big disappointment Mings would have been better, no real shot on goal the whole game, Gerrard got the team sheet wrong and I would have thought at half time he would have sent them out with a big bollocking but we were far worse. I am starting to think, even though it's the first game,that Gerrard may be out of his depth.
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Edens is there watching this.
I bet he's going to be well chuffed.
What does he expect when we've spent the last two summer windows trading instead of investing?