Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on June 23, 2022, 12:06:57 PM
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Wimbledon, Crawley and Portsmouth for our under 21s in the EFL Trophy next season.
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BOOOOOO.
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Wimbledon, Crawley and Portsmouth for our under 21s in the EFL Trophy next season.
Those should be handy for Darren to get to.
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Wimbledon, Crawley and Portsmouth for our under 21s in the EFL Trophy next season.
Love it love it love it. 2 grounds less than 20 miles from my home, one a pretty quick zoom down the A3
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Hopefully see you at these games Martyn
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Definitely.
Are the dates out yet. The Wolves site is giving the dates for their group
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Aston Villa is pleased to announce Josh Feeney has signed his first professional contract with the Club. ✍️
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Wish all the best for a long and very successful career with the Viila.
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Sinisalo signed a new deal.
Will be interesting if he stays with the first team this season or if Jed does.
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There was an article recently that Sinisalo and Marschall both wanting to go out on loan this season and with Jed out until November whether we would need to bring someone in to provide cover for the 3rd keeper.
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A few of the younglings signed up on first pro deals:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/07/young-lions-sign-pro-contracts/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/07/young-lions-sign-pro-contracts/)
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My God they make you feel old - they really do look like babbies
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My God they make you feel old - they really do look like babbies
And I bet none of the little sods appreciate their hair lines.
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My God they make you feel old - they really do look like babbies
And I bet none of the little sods appreciate their hair lines.
those face washes that take longer and longer now
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U23's 3-1 up at half time against Chase Town with the team being replaced by the U18's at half time.
Louie Barry's been the stand out player, making 2 and scoring 1, playing as a wide '10'. Apparently his pass for one of the goals was class.
Raiky has been called into the first team squad for tomorrow's game against Walsall.
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Caleb Chuckwuemeka got a hattrick, fair play to him. Let’s hope he’s come back with a point to prove and determined to show his quality.
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W 8-2.
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Anyone know the line-up(s)?
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1st half lineup:
Wright; Ealing, Smith, Swinkels, Frith; Lindley, Wright, Teddy Rowe; Afoka, Young, Barry
2nd half:
Wright (Lane); Barber, A.O'Reilly, Sohna (Softley), Munroe; Alcock, Barnes (Moore), Pierre; Lutz, Chukwuemeka, Burchall
Match report and photos here:
https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/chasetown/teams/20991/match-centre/0-5334489/report (https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/chasetown/teams/20991/match-centre/0-5334489/report)
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Thanks Dogtanian. Is that three different Wrights, or two? And are they related?
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Assume one Wright who is is GK and one other in Midfield.
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Aston Villa’s academy is thriving – only Big Six have more England youth players
By Gregg Evans (in the Athletic)
At Aston Villa, there is a unique judging system in place.
Rather than solely focusing on whether talented young players in the academy have achieved first-team recognition — or are getting closer — the real barometer of success lies on the international stage.
It is why on the Monday after every international break, the owners — Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens — and chief executive Christian Purslow are updated with a set of statistics showing how many of Villa’s players were called up.
Age-group representation is identified as a key performance indicator and the average over recent years has grown significantly.
Villa had eight foreign internationals called up from the development squad last season and 14 players represented England from under-15 to under-21 level.
Those numbers are the seventh-highest in the Premier League, closing the gap on the so-called Big Six.
Manchester City and Chelsea — clubs with a high number of youngsters called up regularly — are still way out in front but Villa are knocking on the doors of Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester United and Arsenal. That is an achievement for a club entering its fourth consecutive top-flight season.
Cameron Archer’s introduction into the England Under-21 set-up was a boost. He scored four goals in four games and is on the verge of challenging the senior forwards at Villa for Premier League game time.
Jacob Ramsey, the club’s young player of the season, experienced an uplift during 2021-22. Former manager Dean Smith gave him his chance but Steven Gerrard solidified it by retaining faith even when performance levels slightly dipped.
Gerrard has since shown that he is not afraid to give other young players a chance and unlike in previous years, Villa are not just pinning their hopes on one standout player (i.e. Jack Grealish).
Cameron Archer
Archer is pushing hard for a first-team place after impressing on loan in the Championship with Preston. There is a firm belief that two or three players from each age category have a chance of breaking into the first team and starring on the senior international stage.
Archer and Ramsey lead the way but Jaden Philogene-Bidace (20) and Kaine Kesler Hayden (19) are not far behind.
England Under-19 European Championship winners Carney Chukwuemeka (18), Tim Iroegbunam and Aaron Ramsey (both 19) are all knocking on the door.
The list does not stop there, though. Finland Under-21 goalkeeper and captain Viljami Sinisalo is highly thought of and has just been rewarded with a new deal.
Defender Josh Feeney is the England Under-17 captain and has signed a new deal alongside Lamare Bogarde, who captains the Netherlands’ under-18s. Bogarde’s room-mate and Villa’s scholar of the year, Sil Swinkels, is another player developing. Tommi O’Reilly, Louie Barry, Ben Chrisene, Jayden Barber and Oliwier Zych, the Poland Under-18 goalkeeper, are being monitored closely.
Youth-team staff, fronted by academy manager Mark Harrison and with the support of the owners and Purslow, are looking at ways to further develop the production line to become one of the best around.
Landing free-scoring 16-year-old Scottish forward Rory Wilson from Rangers is a start and a wide range of other talented teenagers are under close assessment.
They want to bring local players through from a young age — and have outlined plans for a new inner-city academy building close to Villa Park — but are prepared to invest in top performers from across the country.
The trio who performed so well in Slovakia this summer at the Under-19 Euros highlight that. Aaron Ramsey, from nearby Great Barr, started at Villa as a six-year-old and has progressed through the ranks. Chukwuemeka came from Northampton Town’s academy at a later age, but Iroegbunam was signed from rivals West Bromwich Albion only last summer as an 18-year-old. All three have a chance of kicking on.
After last week’s triumph at the Euros, Villa’s young players have been attracting a lot of noise.
Chukwuemeka and Aaron Ramsey made their Villa debuts in 2021 and Iroegbunam followed shortly after the turn of the year.
Chukwuemeka and Ireogbunam — the rangy midfield pair — were trusted to start a game in the Premier League, too, at 18.
It is the smaller and slighter Ramsey, however, who has been identified as the player to become the real breakthrough star.
When he was a member of the Villa side that won the Under-15 Floodlit Cup, he was the talk of the team. Even his brother, Jacob, who has become a regular in the first team, was not as highly thought of. The brothers were not as physically advanced as some of their team-mates in their younger years but are now developing.
The success of Jacob Ramsey has shown there is a path to the first team at Villa (Photo: Neville Williams/Aston Villa FC via Getty Images)
Technically, Aaron is there. His recent loan spell in League One with Cheltenham Town has worked wonders.
The big question is whether any of them will get the opportunities to play regularly for Villa this season.
Iroegbunam’s enthusiasm and energy were impressive in three appearances towards the end of last season. A 14-minute outing at Leicester City was lauded by Gerrard who said after the game that “we think the world of him”.
Iroegbunam offered some much-needed height in defensive midfield and closed down opponents quickly and efficiently. His first start against Norwich City the following week was steady if not spectacular. He still needs to work on his positioning but the early signs are promising and he is tied down to a long-term deal.
There is a stack of Championship clubs wanting to take him on loan next season, including Queens Park Rangers, with former Villa assistant Michael Beale in charge, and Stoke City, but Gerrard will take a closer look in pre-season first having signed Boubacar Kamara in the defensive midfield position.
Chukwuemeka’s situation is more nuanced. He has a year left to run on his contract and has not let discussions around his future affect his work in training or around games. Villa want to extend his stay but an agreement has yet to be reached.
He was the youngest player in 2021-22 to start a Premier League game when he was named in the starting XI for the 1-1 draw with Brentford in August and is rated highly.
All three players will be on the pre-season tour to Australia and for Aaron Ramsey, in particular, that will be a big boost.
There is a chance he could work himself into contention and earn a promotion into the first-team set-up. With the five substitute rule coming into effect, managers will be able to mix and match their team more often and that could benefit younger players.
Young goalkeeper Filip Marshall, who missed out on England’s under-19 squad despite an impressive season on loan at National League North winners Gateshead, will also travel to Australia where Villa have three games during a hectic pre-season period.
The trip to Australia will also give Gerrard another look at the developing players but many will continue their development on loan.
Villa’s head of emerging talent and loans, Adam Henshall, was at the Under-19 Euros watching the Villa trio as loan moves are considered.
Alongside Mile Jedinak, the loan player development coach, the pair continue to analyse the best options for players.
The success of Archer at Preston North End, Kesler Hayden at MK Dons, Ramsey at Cheltenham and Barry at Swindon Town in the second half of last season showed the importance of picking the right move.
Villa also felt that it was time to add a fresh spin to the youth-team coaching set-up.
It is why they signed Blackburn’s head of coaching Tony Carss as their new under-23s manager, with Gerard Nash (from the Irish FA) and Adem Atay (Ipswich Town) also arriving to work with the under-18s.
Villa won the FA Youth Cup in 2021 and there is a legacy building. The England boys who won this summer’s Euros will be hoping to build on that momentum.
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A good read. Thanks for posting OCD.
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Thanks OCD.
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That's a very good read OCD, thanks for posting it.
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Thanks to Dogtanian and OCD.
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"Chukwuemeka and Aaron Ramsey made their Villa debuts in 2021 and Iroegbunam followed shortly after the turn of the year."
Aaron Ramsey hasn't played for us yet has he?
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He came on as a sub at Barrow.
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I think he may have played in a previous cup game as well but I stand correct on that.
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I think he may have played in a previous cup game as well but I stand correct on that.
I often stand correct first thing in the morning too, to be fair. :P
I can’t see anything for him earlier. He played in pre-season last year and then I think only in the one LC game before his loan.
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Maybe I'm thinking of one of Jacob's earlier games.
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Aaron Ramsey came on for El Ghazi at Barrow.
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No problem guys.
Interesting if that's true about the owners and CEO reviewing how many of the kids have been called up for their respective countries.
I recently read that Wes Edens has a phrase that he uses - "Decisions are over-valued and data is under-valued. If you have the right data, you should make the right decisions."
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No problem guys.
Interesting if that's true about the owners and CEO reviewing how many of the kids have been called up for their respective countries.
I recently read that Wes Edens has a phrase that he uses - "Decisions are over-valued and data is under-valued. If you have the right data, you should make the right decisions."
I like the sound of all this. In the early Randy years there was loads of investment but there appeared to be very little accountability. KPIs should keep everyone focused and reduce the waste.
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No problem guys.
Interesting if that's true about the owners and CEO reviewing how many of the kids have been called up for their respective countries.
I recently read that Wes Edens has a phrase that he uses - "Decisions are over-valued and data is under-valued. If you have the right data, you should make the right decisions."
Good judgement/good data was the comparison I think.
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I’m getting a bit dizzy with the investment here. It’s great to see that.
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No problem guys.
Interesting if that's true about the owners and CEO reviewing how many of the kids have been called up for their respective countries.
I recently read that Wes Edens has a phrase that he uses - "Decisions are over-valued and data is under-valued. If you have the right data, you should make the right decisions."
Good judgement/good data was the comparison I think.
You're right, I distorted the quote.
"You know I always tell people in our businesses great judgement, overrated, great information, underrated," said Edens.
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Currently it seems that the first team are playing Fulham away the same night that the U-23s are playing away at Crawley in the PJT. That can't be right...can it?
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No problem guys.
Interesting if that's true about the owners and CEO reviewing how many of the kids have been called up for their respective countries.
I recently read that Wes Edens has a phrase that he uses - "Decisions are over-valued and data is under-valued. If you have the right data, you should make the right decisions."
Good judgement/good data was the comparison I think.
You're right, I distorted the quote.
"You know I always tell people in our businesses great judgement, overrated, great information, underrated," said Edens.
Have to say I find that view rather depressing. This thinking is the reason why accountants run businesses these days rather than people with a real feel for and understanding of the soul of an industry
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Have to say I find that view rather depressing. This thinking is the reason why accountants run businesses these days rather than people with a real feel for and understanding of the soul of an industry
That's not what happens in successful companies though. A well-run business will provide good products/services, backed up by sound financial advice. Even the best idea will fail if it's not run properly, and likewise you won't get anywhere with lots of accurate spreadsheets but nothing that people want to buy.
Villa appear to be a model of how to do things right these days. Run by people who 'get' the club, but who are extremely savvy business people as well.
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Sinisalo gone on loan to Burton Albion, Azaz gone on loan to Plymouth and talk that Barry is going on loan to MK Dons.
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Sinisalo gone on loan to Burton Albion, Azaz gone on loan to Plymouth and talk that Barry is going on loan to MK Dons.
Weird how the club seem to be approaching the development of Azaz differently to the other players. He’s barely been at the training ground since signing from WBA. Seems to be doing well, away from the spotlight though.
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U21 XI playing at Hednesford tonight
https://twitter.com/hednesford_town/status/1546517239150542851?s=21&t=nm05qF1yat2T0-_wPUsxEQ
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U21 XI playing at Hednesford tonight
https://twitter.com/hednesford_town/status/1546517239150542851?s=21&t=nm05qF1yat2T0-_wPUsxEQ
That's how to build up a match, shame about the "V'S" though.
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Team for tonight’s game (courtesy of academyavfc)
https://twitter.com/hednesford_town/status/1546923168081797121?s=21&t=hyUgXlGAS2q4ucO9qSoIUg
AEG in the side
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Feel sorry for Anwar. I know he’s fallen down the pecking order and we have better players ahead of him, but it can’t be nice being left out.
I hope he gets a good move sorted soon.
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And he scores 0-1…
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0-2 - Chukwuemeka
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0-2 - Chukwuemeka
I'm presuming that is Caleb because Carney is supposedly expected to arrive in Australia.
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0-3 - Ealing (36mins)
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0-2 - Chukwuemeka
I'm presuming that is Caleb because Carney is supposedly expected to arrive in Australia.
You are correct - it is Caleb
0-3 at half-time
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0-3 - Ealing (36mins)
Not that gobshite!
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?????
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Sexual Ealing i'm guessing
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My joke would probably work better if its target audience ever ventured out of Off Topic... 😁
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My joke would probably work better if its target audience ever ventured out of Off Topic... 😁
I knew what you meant.
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My joke would probably work better if its target audience ever ventured out of Off Topic... 😁
I knew what you meant.
And me 😀
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Hednesford get one back - 1-3 McQuilkin (70mins)
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And another - 2-3 Chat Tilt (72mins)
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And another - 3-3 Joe Cuff (83mins)
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Im no expert - but I would say keep the team from the first half, and ship out the team from the second half
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There is another U21 XI game on Saturday at Leamington if anybody is interested. Kick Off at 1.00pm
https://twitter.com/leamingtonfc/status/1546788854551691265?s=21&t=2lKSTjjAnj-kAFu-5jfy4w
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Hednesford have completely turned it around 4-3 Joe Cuff (88)
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3 nil up to 4-3 down in 18 mins.
Collapsed like the first team did last season.
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Feel sorry for Anwar. I know he’s fallen down the pecking order and we have better players ahead of him, but it can’t be nice being left out.
I hope he gets a good move sorted soon.
From the Gerrard interview this morning El Ghazi stayed behind because his first baby is due very soon so he's stayed behind to be near his family, not because he's unwanted/being pushed out.
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Funnily enough not reported that way by the media.
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Funnily enough not reported that way by the media.
Always prefer to report a funeral than a wedding
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Feel sorry for Anwar. I know he’s fallen down the pecking order and we have better players ahead of him, but it can’t be nice being left out.
I hope he gets a good move sorted soon.
From the Gerrard interview this morning El Ghazi stayed behind because his first baby is due very soon so he's stayed behind to be near his family, not because he's unwanted/being pushed out.
Now I really do feel sorry for him! Poor sod. Kids - the ultimate life sentence. :P
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From the Gerrard interview this morning El Ghazi stayed behind because his first baby is due very soon so he's stayed behind to be near his family, not because he's unwanted/being pushed out.
Now I really do feel sorry for him! Poor sod. Kids - the ultimate life sentence. :P
Just when he had his whole life in front of him. Very sad! :(
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:'(
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Josh Feeney interview on VillaTV. The size this lad is at 17! Comes across as down to earth and excited to be a part of the club.
https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF80eGhwdHNsOCU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk (https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF80eGhwdHNsOCU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk)
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Most questions sounded like a middle finger to CC!
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He's going to be a great player. When he came on against Leeds he looked composed and like he had been playing at that level forever.
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Everton lost a 16 year old to Man City I saw the other day. Had already been part of their U23 squads.
Does the kid really think he has a better shot at playing inthe Premier League for Man City? Must be deluded.
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Josh Feeney interview on VillaTV. The size this lad is at 17! Comes across as down to earth and excited to be a part of the club.
https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF80eGhwdHNsOCU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk (https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF80eGhwdHNsOCU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk)
Christ, size of him! A good couple of inches taller than Diego Carlos. Face of a 12 year old though.
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Josh Feeney interview on VillaTV. The size this lad is at 17! Comes across as down to earth and excited to be a part of the club.
https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF80eGhwdHNsOCU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk (https://video.avfc.co.uk/video/dm9kJTdDMF80eGhwdHNsOCU3QyUyRnNlY3Rpb24lM0ZzbHVnJTNEaG9tZSU3Q2hvbWUlMkZoZXJvX2Nhcm91c2VsJTdDdW5kZWZpbmVk)
Christ, size of him! A good couple of inches taller than Diego Carlos. Face of a 12 year old though.
Yeah, I liked how he was interacting with him too, not at all in awe or anything, completely at ease.
I absolutely loathe the bloody site, but I read this earlier in the year and it's got some good interviews with his youth coaches about what he's like. He really does seem like a special prospect with his head screwed on.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/josh-feeney-aston-villa-england-23141847 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/josh-feeney-aston-villa-england-23141847)
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Apparently we have signed Ewan Simpson from Heart of Midlothian:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/28/simpson-joins-villa-academy/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/28/simpson-joins-villa-academy/)
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I read an article a while ago saying some of our coaches are quite excited about this lad. Defensive midfielder with good technique who can dictate play. The papers all say he's 16 and that makes sense as I don't think kids can sign their first professional contract until their 16th birthday (the OS says he's still 15 but I'm not sure that's right).
Edit - it's his birthday today.
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Apparently we have signed Ewan Simpson from Heart of Midlothian:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/28/simpson-joins-villa-academy/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/28/simpson-joins-villa-academy/)
we have quite a few Jocks coming through now dont we ?
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Apparently we have signed Ewan Simpson from Heart of Midlothian:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/28/simpson-joins-villa-academy/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/28/simpson-joins-villa-academy/)
we have quite a few Jocks coming through now dont we ?
Let's hope they're all amazing, for both Villaand Scotland
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We do seem to be hoovering up talent from other Academies:
Kerr Smith - Dundee U
Omari Kellyman - Derby County
Rory Wilson - Rangers
Finn Azan- WBA
Josh Feeney - Fleetwood
Tim Iroegbunam- WBA
Louie Barry - Barca
Thierry Kkatsakunya - Cov City
Ajhani Burchall - B'mouth
Kyrie Pierre- Bristol Rvrs
Ben Chrisene - Exeter
Arjan Raikhy - Baggies
Carney and Caleb - Northants
Finley Thorndike - WBA
And I haven't even looked up the European kids:)
Swinkels
Bogarde
Sinisalo
Marschall
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Nice summary but I'm not sure how Marschall came to the club. He's listed as being of English nationality and seems to have been with us since being a kid.
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Polish parents but born in Cambridge. Don't think he has ever been anywhere else but Villa other than a loan spell at Gateshead.
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I'm not sure about us listing Raikhy and Chuk Jr on there, both joined us as schoolkids (14 and 12 respectively, I think). They're certainly very different to Smith, Feeney and Chrisene who had already player senior football before they arrived.
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Polish parents but born in Cambridge. Don't think he has ever been anywhere else but Villa other than a loan spell at Gateshead.
He joined from Cambridge City.
https://theathletic.com/3181071/2022/03/15/filip-marschall-rapid-rise-goalkeeper-who-was-defender-aged-13/
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I'm not sure about us listing Raikhy and Chuk Jr on there, both joined us as schoolkids (14 and 12 respectively, I think). They're certainly very different to Smith, Feeney and Chrisene who had already player senior football before they arrived.
Wouldn't disagree with your observation Paul, I was just making the general point that we seem to be pretty adept at spotting and then bringing in talent from other Academies.
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Polish parents but born in Cambridge. Don't think he has ever been anywhere else but Villa other than a loan spell at Gateshead.
He joined from Cambridge City.
https://theathletic.com/3181071/2022/03/15/filip-marschall-rapid-rise-goalkeeper-who-was-defender-aged-13/
Good spot, I skim read the same article and missed that 😃
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Kahrel Reddin has moved to Stoke City on a permanent deal.
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Goalkeeper Filip Marschall has signed a new contract.
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I'm not sure about us listing Raikhy and Chuk Jr on there, both joined us as schoolkids (14 and 12 respectively, I think). They're certainly very different to Smith, Feeney and Chrisene who had already player senior football before they arrived.
Chukwuemeka was at Northampton School for Boys when he joined, and apparently we've had a few kids from there in our academy. They do really well at providing elite sports people, eg Courtney Lawes, considering they're a state school.
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I'm not sure about us listing Raikhy and Chuk Jr on there, both joined us as schoolkids (14 and 12 respectively, I think). They're certainly very different to Smith, Feeney and Chrisene who had already player senior football before they arrived.
Chukwuemeka was at Northampton School for Boys when he joined, and apparently we've had a few kids from there in our academy. They do really well at providing elite sports people, eg Courtney Lawes, considering they're a state school.
I think you have to add a bit of context there though, it's not a 'normal' state school, they're an official partner to saints and get most of their rugby coaching from the club, that makes sporting excellence a bit easier to achieve. It fact how that school runs is exactly what academies should be because the involvement of saints with them has helped everyone at the school. Probably going too far off topic there though but if Villa could formalise their links with local schools in a similar way I'd be all for it.
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I'm not sure about us listing Raikhy and Chuk Jr on there, both joined us as schoolkids (14 and 12 respectively, I think). They're certainly very different to Smith, Feeney and Chrisene who had already player senior football before they arrived.
Chukwuemeka was at Northampton School for Boys when he joined, and apparently we've had a few kids from there in our academy. They do really well at providing elite sports people, eg Courtney Lawes, considering they're a state school.
I think you have to add a bit of context there though, it's not a 'normal' state school, they're an official partner to saints and get most of their rugby coaching from the club, that makes sporting excellence a bit easier to achieve. It fact how that school runs is exactly what academies should be because the involvement of saints with them has helped everyone at the school. Probably going too far off topic there though but if Villa could formalise their links with local schools in a similar way I'd be all for it.
All true. They also got left a large amount of money from an old boy, so their sporting facilities are excellent and they're under no pressure to sell off their playing fields like a lot of state schools. All a bit Off Topic, sorry.
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I'm not sure about us listing Raikhy and Chuk Jr on there, both joined us as schoolkids (14 and 12 respectively, I think). They're certainly very different to Smith, Feeney and Chrisene who had already player senior football before they arrived.
Chukwuemeka was at Northampton School for Boys when he joined, and apparently we've had a few kids from there in our academy. They do really well at providing elite sports people, eg Courtney Lawes, considering they're a state school.
I think you have to add a bit of context there though, it's not a 'normal' state school, they're an official partner to saints and get most of their rugby coaching from the club, that makes sporting excellence a bit easier to achieve. It fact how that school runs is exactly what academies should be because the involvement of saints with them has helped everyone at the school. Probably going too far off topic there though but if Villa could formalise their links with local schools in a similar way I'd be all for it.
I agree. If saints can link with one school, finances suggest villa could link up with at least ten across a wider area. there’s the chance that it will create players but the greater opportunity is spreading the villa gospel to a wider audience. Not to mention ESG bonus points.
One of my rugby triumphs was scoring the winning try against NSB. Their team included Steve Thompson a world cup winner.
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The Stiffs start their campaign this evening against Middlesbrough at Bodymoor. This seasons fixtures are:
Fri 5 Aug 2022 - H - Middlesbrough U21
Mon 15 Aug 2022 - A - Sunderland U21
Fri 19 Aug 2022 - H - Leeds United U21
Fri 9 Sep 2022 - H - Newcastle United U21 (at Villa Park)
Sun 18 Sep 2022 - A - Stoke City U21
Fri 30 Sep 2022 - H - West Bromwich Albion U21 (at Villa Park)
Fri 7 Oct 2022 - A - Southampton U21
Fri 21 Oct 2022 - H - Nottingham Forest U21
Mon 31 Oct 2022 - A - Derby County U21
Fri 4 Nov 2022 - H - Norwich City U21
Mon 9 Jan 2023 - A - Newcastle United U21
Mon 30 Jan 2023 - A - West Bromwich Albion U21
Fri 10 Feb 2023 - H - Stoke City U21
Mon 20 Feb 2023 - A - Leeds United U21
Fri 24 Feb 2023 - H - Sunderland U21 (at Villa Park)
Mon 6 Mar 2023 - A - Middlesbrough U21
Fri 17 Mar 2023 - H - Southampton U21
Fri 31 Mar 2023 - A - Norwich City U21
Fri 14 Apr 2023 - H - Derby County U21
Fri 21 Apr 2023 - A - Nottingham Forest U21
Note a reduction in teams from 14 to 11 (no SHA), also a change in category from U23 back to U21.
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Will be interesting to note the squad today, we’ll see if any of the new arrivals go straight into the U21 side or whether they’ll start in the U18s. Also, we’ll assume Tim/Cam will be with the first team and won’t figure.
Some numberwang, last seasons player stats, note Abldeen-Goodridge, Appiah, Bridge, Chukwuemeka Jnr, Onodi, Reddin, Revan Snr, Thorndike, Zito have gone to pastures new.
(https://i.ibb.co/Yyd3QWn/res-2021-22-player-stats.png) (https://ibb.co/Yyd3QWn)
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3-0 after 30 minutes.
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I thought Gerrard said Davis would play?
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Probably injured.
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That's going some if he managed to get injured between now and Gerrard's press conference. Another possibility is that he's off on loan somewhere. There's a few that I thought would be involved who aren't.
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3-2 now. Pissing a good lead away in true Villa fashion.
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That's going some if he managed to get injured between now and Gerrard's press conference. Another possibility is that he's off on loan somewhere. There's a few that I thought would be involved who aren't.
Could be on the bench tomorrow.
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3-3 now. Three goals conceded in thirteen minutes.
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Remember we have Liverpool on Sunday, so Davis might be playing then.
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AJ has signed a contract extension and is off to Norwich on loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/05/aaron-ramsey-pens-new-deal-and-heads-out-on-loan/
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Good luck to him. Hopefully he gets plenty of games unlike our last loan to East Anglia.
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AJ has signed a contract extension and is off to Norwich on loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/05/aaron-ramsey-pens-new-deal-and-heads-out-on-loan/
Nice one! Hopefully he’ll see some good minutes and Deano will look after him.
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That seems like a great move for him.
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You'd hope that because the manager knows him and knows what he's getting he's palnning on him getting regular game time.
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Such a shame seeing Anwar in the u23s yesterday, terrible treatment of a true pro and has done so much for the club and our return to the big league
It's a disgrace
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Such a shame seeing Anwar in the u23s yesterday, terrible treatment of a true pro and has done so much for the club and our return to the big league
It's a disgrace
Your trolling really is exceptionally boring.
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Such a shame seeing Anwar in the u23s yesterday, terrible treatment of a true pro and has done so much for the club and our return to the big league
It's a disgrace
Your trolling really is exceptionally boring.
Like AEG, often tries way too hard and mostly fails to hit the target.
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Aaron Ramsey on the bench for tonight's League Cup game against Small Heath. It seems to be effectively a reserve game. Or perhaps I just don't know many Norwich/SH players.
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Ramsey now on with Norwich leading two one.
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Sinisalo making his debut for Burton too. Think this is the longest they’ve gone without conceding this season!
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You jinxed them.
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You jinxed them.
Ffs >:(
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Norwich v Blose heading for pens. Blose had one shot on target and drew two-all.
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Norwich v Blose heading for pens. Blose had one shot on target and drew two-all.
Wonder if Aaron will take one.
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He didn't, but Norwich won 4-3.
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Apparently our U18's drew away at Southampton U18's. I've not seen any other details though.
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The U21’s are at Sunderland tonight. Currently winning 4-0. Brad Young who is another one of our rising stars has 2 of the goals. Declan Frith with the other two.
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I like Young, hope he makes it. He's something "proper centreforward" about him.
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The U21’s are at Sunderland tonight. Currently winning 4-0. Brad Young who is another one of our rising stars has 2 of the goals. Declan Frith with the other two.
Who is Declan Frith?
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The U21’s are at Sunderland tonight. Currently winning 4-0. Brad Young who is another one of our rising stars has 2 of the goals. Declan Frith with the other two.
Who is Declan Frith?
from chelsea youth academy apparently
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An impressive result, bearing in mind it wasn't a particularly strong side we put out.
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You say that but quite a few of them were out on loan last season.
No El Ghazi last night so whether there's progress in moving him on?
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I like Young, hope he makes it. He's something "proper centreforward" about him.
Yes. Very much in the Vardy mould.
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I hope Young gets a good loan before the window closes. He’s shown he’ll get goals in PL2, but he’ll be 20 in January and needs to start getting league football experience.
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Yes, some of them went out on loan last season but many of them, including Brad, didn't get much game-time.
I was expecting Brad to go out on loan this time as well.
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Still time yet. I imagine the plan is still get them game time.
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Currently 1-1 vs Dirty Leedzzzz.
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Lost 1-2.
Bogarde seems to have dropped off the planet again.
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Yes i have been wondering what has happened to Bogarde ,all i have heard about him in months is he extended his contract .The club these days tell you hardly anything when it concerns the reserves and youth teams
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Thought Brad Young did not impress any scouts looking for a loan for him. Never really got into the game at all, IMO.
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Villa U18 0 Palace U18 4 New season but same old story when it comes to playing Palace at this level, always to good for us.
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Aaron Ramsey makes his full Norwich debut in the League Cup tie at home to Bournemouth.
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Looks like Ajani Burchall is out for the season. https://twitter.com/ajaniburchall7/status/1562481623865901056
I've no idea what injury he's suffered but must be a pretty bad one.
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Never something you want to see and especially not to a young player. Hopefully he has a good work ethic for when it comes time to start on the rehab and he can make a faster than expected recovery.
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More bad luck injury wise .At least he will be able to keep Carlos and probably Bogarde company getting back to fitness
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Is Bogarde injured, then?
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Not really sure if he is injured or not but he has not played in either the reserves or youths for months .Would be nice if the club kept us up to date with news of what is going on below first team level
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George B off to coach Ghana by the sound of it
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George B off to coach Ghana by the sound of it
Gerrard's revenge for 2001.
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Ben Chrisene gone on a season long loan to Kilmarnock. https://kilmarnockfc.co.uk/news/ben-chrisene-joins-killie/
Turns out the No. 33 shirt hasn't been retired for Villa players.
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That's 12 players, we've got out on loan now, I don't think there's many Premier League clubs, if any, have that many.
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Good win for the under-18s at Brighton, from two-nil down they won five-two.
Two for new signing Rory Wilson, one for Mikell Barnes after missing eight months with injury and one each for Omari Kellyman and Kobei Moore.
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George B off to coach Ghana by the sound of it
Gerrard's revenge for 2001.
FFS...no more ex-Villa player links :(
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U21s D1-1.
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First couple of goals in a Villa shirt at Brighton this morning for Rory Wilson ,hopefully first of many
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Don't watch the highlights of the Peterborough game if you are of a sensitive disposition! You won't believe some of the chances we missed.
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I'm off to AFC Wimbledon tonight to see the U21's play in the Football League Trophy another ground to tick off.
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I'm off to AFC Wimbledon tonight to see the U21's play in the Football League Trophy another ground to tick off.
Which Villa top will you be wearing ?
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So George gone and two others I’ve never heard of come in. Feels positive but who the f knows!
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I'm off to AFC Wimbledon tonight to see the U21's play in the Football League Trophy another ground to tick off.
Tonight's team. https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1564659587038461952
Wasn't familiar with either of the Rowes but I don't think they're brothers. Triston is 16 and joined last year from West Brom, Teddy's 18 and has been with us for at least 10 years.
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Tidy little ground. Not often I get so close to the goal
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Not often I get so close to the goal
Is that you, Ollie?
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No not me
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Not often I get so close to the goal
Is that you, Ollie?
Very good.
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Currently 1-1, Taylor Jay-Hart with the equaliser after 29mins after Wimbledon took an early lead
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Its live on ifollow if anyone has that.
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Its live on ifollow if anyone has that.
Grr missed that >:(
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Looks like it's being played behind closed doors.
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Its live on ifollow if anyone has that.
Is this pay per view
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Looks like it's being played behind closed doors.
Sounds like it too! All the Wimbledon fans in the two blocks behind the dugouts. It's a close run thing on who has more fans.
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Wimbledon take the lead 2-1, Davison 52mins
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Final score 2-1…
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“We’re Aston Villa, we know when we’ve scored”… made me laugh after we equalised. Wimbledon fans didn’t cheer their opening goal until the ball was back on the centre spot and the manager turned round and lifted his arms. Must have been obscured from where they all were on the halfway line.
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“We’re Aston Villa, we know when we’ve scored”… made me laugh after we equalised. Wimbledon fans didn’t cheer their opening goal until the ball was back on the centre spot and the manager turned round and lifted his arms. Must have been obscured from where they all were on the halfway line.
I also thought that was funny it's not a bad ground for Wimbledon good to tick it off my list.
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I went to the old Plough Lane a couple of times which includes once getting lost thanks to the dodgy directions in the match day programme (no sat nav's in them days kids). It was a bit of a shit hole from memory.
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I went to the old Plough Lane a couple of times which includes once getting lost thanks to the dodgy directions in the match day programme (no sat nav's in them days kids). It was a bit of a shit hole from memory.
I lived round the corner from Plough Lane in the 1980's - it wasn't the most salubrious but it was a proper football ground!
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Plough Lane was a miserable shithole which fully reflected the boil on the arse of humanity which was Wimbledon Football Club. Everything about them was fucking horrible. ******.
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So we've appointed Dan Green and Peter Gilbert as U21 coaches. The former was 1st Team coach for Exeter and the latter with WBA.
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Has George B actually left then?
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Yes, he works with Ghana national team now.
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Tyreik Wright has signed on loan for Bradford.
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Tyreik Wright has signed on loan for Bradford.
He's been looking really good for the U21s, so I am looking forward to seeing how he gets on.
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Brad Young goes to ...
... Ayr Utd on loan.
I wonder what benefits he'll get from playing there.
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First team football and loads of goals, hopefully.
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Really hoping he gets at least a decent haircut out of it. God knows what he thinks is going on atop his bonce.
Hair is wasted on the young.
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Another two gone on loan with talk of Tim going to Q P R Looks like another season of playing our youth team as our U21 team and not being physically strong enough
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Really hoping he gets at least a decent haircut out of it. God knows what he thinks is going on atop his bonce.
Hair is wasted on the young.
I will now adopt this as one of my pearls of wisdom.
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Another two gone on loan with talk of Tim going to Q P R Looks like another season of playing our youth team as our U21 team and not being physically strong enough
That's actually the plan. Purslow has said before that the goal is for 20/21yo players to be good enough to be out playing first team football rather than in our U21s. And so 18/19yo players should be playing above their level in the U21s.
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Another lad, Hayden something gone to Newport on loan as well according to SSN. Captain of the U23s last year?
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Another lad, Hayden something gone to Newport on loan as well according to SSN. Captain of the U23s last year?
Lindley? If so, DM, he looks ok but nowhere near the level of Tim.
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We're going to have no-one left at this rate...
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Yup thats the fella.
“ Newport County have signed midfielder Hayden Lindley on loan from Aston Villa, subject to international clearance.
The 19-year-old progressed through the ranks of Blackburn Rovers and Manchester City before joining Villa, where he captained the club’s U23 side.
Newport manager James Rowberry said: “I’m delighted to welcome Hayden to the club!
"His leadership qualities as Aston Villa Under-23s captain and his attributes as a midfielder will help us as we aim to make this season a successful one.”
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So having taken quite a few promising youngsters on Aus tour, have we kept any in and around the first team, as it seems an awful lot have now gone on loan ?
Can’t remember his name, but has the young centre forward signed from rangers been playing in any of the development teams yet ?
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So having taken quite a few promising youngsters on Aus tour, have we kept any in and around the first team, as it seems an awful lot have now gone on loan ?
Can’t remember his name, but has the young centre forward signed from rangers been playing in any of the development teams yet ?
Scored for the U18s the other day, didn’t he?
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So having taken quite a few promising youngsters on Aus tour, have we kept any in and around the first team, as it seems an awful lot have now gone on loan ?
Just Archer and Ramsey I think. For now. Give him time though as there's still an hour left...
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Yes the lad we signed from Rangers Rory Wilson scored twice in a 5 2 win at Brighton last weekend
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So having taken quite a few promising youngsters on Aus tour, have we kept any in and around the first team, as it seems an awful lot have now gone on loan ?
Just Archer and Ramsey I think. For now. Give him time though as there's still an hour left...
Did well keeping Archer around. I don’t include Ramsey as he’s been full on first team for a while now. Or do,you mean his brother ….. he’s on loan at Norwich
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The other Chukwuemeka has gone to Crawley on loan with an obligation to buy, so he won't be back. Good luck to him, it isn't his fault his brother's a twat.
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How many is that out on loan now? Must be around 18 now
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Brad Young goes to ...
... Ayr Utd on loan.
I wonder what benefits he'll get from playing there.
Nice ice cream and chips there too
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Brad Young goes to ...
... Ayr Utd on loan.
I wonder what benefits he'll get from playing there.
Nice ice cream and chips there too
Is that like a baked alaska? Chips on the outside with icecream in the middle? Maybe mint and pea ice cream, or possibly ketchup or chip-shop curry sauce?
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Brad Young goes to ...
... Ayr Utd on loan.
I wonder what benefits he'll get from playing there.
He won't learn the dark arts if he's with 'The Honest Men' but hopefully he might score a few. There's a Scottish Championship game on BBC Scotland every Friday night so if Ayr are featured we'll get a chance to see how he's getting on.
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Brad Young goes to ...
... Ayr Utd on loan.
I wonder what benefits he'll get from playing there.
Nice ice cream and chips there too
Is that like a baked alaska? Chips on the outside with icecream in the middle? Maybe mint and pea ice cream, or possibly ketchup or chip-shop curry sauce?
Would probably be nicer than deep fried Mars bars in fairness
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Good 2-0 win over Man United for the youths this morning Good to beat that lot at any level
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Good 2-0 win over Man United for the youths this morning Good to beat that lot at any level
With a goal from Kobei Moore, who is the son of Stefan Moore. A fact which my brain is struggling to compute.
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Good 2-0 win over Man United for the youths this morning Good to beat that lot at any level
With a goal from Kobei Moore, who is the son of Stefan Moore. A fact which my brain is struggling to compute.
Bloody hell , I am old
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Let's pretend he was a very young father.
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Let's pretend he was a very young father.
Given Stefan's still only 38 I don't think we have to pretend.
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Yes, started riding without a raincoat early, like Gabby.
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Under-18s lost 6-3 at West Ham from two up. Still, Rory Wilson got two to continue his impressive recent record. 🏴
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U21's drew 3-3 away to Stoke after leading 0-2 at half time and then 1-3.
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U21's drew 3-3 away to Stoke after leading 0-2 at half time and then 1-3.
2 for Rowe and one for Frith. This is a very inexperienced U21 team though so the results arent going to be great.
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U21's drew 3-3 away to Stoke after leading 0-2 at half time and then 1-3.
We was actually 3-0 up
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Learning how to throw a lead away puts them in good stead for when they come through to the first team.
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Rory Wilson came on five minutes from the end of Scotland U-21s' win away to their Northern Irish counterparts. He's only sixteen. 🙂
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Rory Wilson came on five minutes from the end of Scotland U-21s' win away to their Northern Irish counterparts. He's only sixteen. 🙂
Did he score?
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A 16 year old playing for the Under 21s...blimey, are there many other examples of that?
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A 16 year old playing for the Under 21s...blimey, are there many other examples of that?
Pelé was just 17 when he played and scored 2 in a World Cup Final, which some might consider even more impressive than playing for Scotland's U-21s. ;)
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Some might but Pele never had to do it on a wet night in...Forfar.
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Some might but Pele never had to do it on a wet night in...Forfar.
He couldn't get it up that far.
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Does anyone know why drawn matches in the EFL trophy are going to penalties? I thought the first round was arranged as groups of four, so surely in that situation a draw is a draw...?
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Question 2. Anyone know if there will be a segregated Villa end at Crawley? Last season I got to the games at Wycombe, which wasn't segregated, and Charlton, which was
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Does anyone know why drawn matches in the EFL trophy are going to penalties? I thought the first round was arranged as groups of four, so surely in that situation a draw is a draw...?
Three points for a win in ninety minutes, two for a win on penalties, one for a defeat on penalties, zero for a defeat. Same system as Scottish League Cup Group Stage.
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How queer.
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Our Academy side is 4-1 down at half time to the Baggies and we have had our goalie sent off.
I thought we'd signed all their players?
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Our Academy side is 4-1 down at half time to the Baggies and we have had our goalie sent off.
I thought we'd signed all their players?
we have, and then loaned them out.
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2-5 now after 80 minutes.
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Lost 2-6
No worries, though, we'll just do what we usually do with Albion, and if any of their players were really promising, we'll take them off them.
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Fucking Gerrard.
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Off to see the U21's at Pompey. Wonder if Archer will get a run out?
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No.
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1-0 down
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2 down
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4 down.
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Make it 5..I don't think our u 21s are showing too much this season
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All our decent prospects are either out on loan or warming the first team bench all bloody game.
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It really was men against boys. However we played some lovely football at times. Confident on the ball and not afraid to play in tight areas. It was a very young team so the result was always going to be one sided.
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I suppose the consequence of player pathways in other teams is hurting our own academy teams as we are too young and weak to compete. I guess we have to look at the bigger picture but problem is I can’t see it
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Just bought two tickets for Crawley. Had to phone in and be kept waiting on hold through several geological eras as there doesn't seem to be an option to buy tickets for this one on the website or the app. Have emailed the club pointing this out
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Just bought two tickets for Crawley. Had to phone in and be kept waiting on hold through several geological eras as there doesn't seem to be an option to buy tickets for this one on the website or the app. Have emailed the club pointing this out
Ah, they're cunningly hidden away in the section marked 'away tickets for men's first team'...
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Nuneaton Borough away in the Senior Cup.
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Off to Crawley in a few minutes. Not expecting much but nice to be able to get to a game!
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Anyone else here at The Broadfield? We're playing some nice stuff but they are quicker to capitalise on mistakes than we are
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I'd say they've been watching the first team too much.
But the kids have scored as well as conceded.
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I would agree with Martyn. You can see the skill but they are a bit naive in giving it away. Where are you seats or standing?
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Sitting. Missus insists 😊
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Crowd of around 600 I'd say. About 120 Villa
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We did quite well in this last season, but it seems there isn't too much there this season?
Crawley are really struggling in League 2 and have made 7 changes from.their last league game.
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Also sitting. Kids complaining there's no atmosphere! Spoilt🤣
I reckon a few more than 600. About 120 villa looks right
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We did quite well in this last season, but it seems there isn't too much there this season?
Crawley are really struggling in League 2 and have made 7 changes from.their last league game.
But they're still first team squad aren't they?
Caleb on for them
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Also sitting. Kids complaining there's no atmosphere! Spoilt🤣
I reckon a few more than 600. About 120 villa looks right
Is that you on the front row?
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Yep
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My estimate was well under. 896 & 211
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I went to Crawley Town last night another ground done roll on next season.
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It just seems that this U21 lot are rawer and slighter than last year's. But then as was pointed out a few posts up so many of last year's have either graduated to the first team squad or gone out on loan. One of the later camp, viz Calum C, came on late for the oppo last night
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Played better tonight against Forest after a weak start.
Good showings from O'Reilly (of course), Young, Feeney, Revan and star midfielder Freddie Guilbert (coughs).
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Played better tonight against Forest after a weak start.
Good showings from O'Reilly (of course), Young, Feeney, Revan and star midfielder Freddie Guilbert (coughs).
Agreed, Guilbert looked very good.
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Cam starts for the U21’s in their PL Cup Group D game against Brentford.
(https://i.ibb.co/XY6LbRR/07-F3-AF5-A-4-EEA-4-A8-D-9828-2-AAE81-C4-C462.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XY6LbRR)
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Good to get some decent game time.
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It's also to get him up to fitness as the promised first team game time has not yet materialised.
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Losing 0-1 at HT.
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Lost 1-3, Cam played 45mins before being substituted. Tommi O’Reilly with a cracking goal in the 2nd half
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1585358189037776896?s=61&t=SadrhETNw71wr--QGuwZkA
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Cheers.
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Lost 1-3, Cam played 45mins before being substituted.
Fucking Gerrard's fault!
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HT Derby U21 0-1 Villa U21. Afoka with the goal.
Now 2-0, Frith with the second.
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Some good performances in a decent display last night against Naaaaaarch.
I was especially liked Bogarde played in the 'six' role in front of the backline. I didn't know he had such pace. Both centre-backs looked good on the ball as well.
Wilson looks like a really sharp striker of a ball.
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Some good performances in a decent display last night against Naaaaaarch.
I was especially liked Bogarde played in the 'six' role in front of the backline. I didn't know he had such pace. Both centre-backs looked good on the ball as well.
Wilson looks like a really sharp striker of a ball.
Bogarde has always stood out because of his pace, I'm not suprised to see him being given time at 6, I suspect they'd love him to be a Kamara-like player who can cover CB, DM and CM, probably an option at rightback as well. Having 3-4 players with that sort of versatility in the squad is really useful.
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Yep.
Players like Staunton and Gary Williams were worth their weight in gold.
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Birmingham Senior Cup
https://www.borofc.co.uk/events/43502/vs-aston-villa
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BSC round three - Tividale at home. I daresay it'll be swapped round.
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I'll go for three postponements due to a waterlogged pitch if it is.
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A good win over Brentford today in the cup. 5-0 with some lovely goals and Rory Wilson bagging a hattrick.
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They dominated for 90 mins and played very good football throughout. Some great goals in amongst the 5. Saints up next. Shame for me it's a home game as living down here I would have gone.
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Rory Wilson seems a great prospect which is doubly good news for me.
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Rory Wilson seems a great prospect which is doubly good news for me.
Kerr Smith looks a great prospect as well so a hopefully a double double for the scottish villains.
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Good news. Probably the three positions Scotland most need in the next few years are goalkeeper, centre-half and centre-forward, so if Villa could provide two of the three that would be handy.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1601472280705601537?t=yuRZEpLbk4oViYvbKokCmw&s=19
What a finish for the first!
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Kellyman seems an interesting player. Very mobile for a tall player.
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They all look like they need a good meal.
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Very good team performance, apart from the poor 'keeper who had virtually nothing to do on a cold night. It really was very one-sided. I suspect Southampton will be a much stiffer test in the fourth round.
I wonder if Brentford's poor performance is to do with the fact that they've only recently started their own academy?
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Good news. Probably the three positions Scotland most need in the next few years are goalkeeper, centre-half and centre-forward, so if Villa could provide two of the three that would be handy.
Craig Gordon can just play until he's 50
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Tomorrow's Academy game against Brentford is postponed.
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Good news. Probably the three positions Scotland most need in the next few years are goalkeeper, centre-half and centre-forward, so if Villa could provide two of the three that would be handy.
Craig Gordon can just play until he's 50
Amazed to hear he isn't already 50.
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Does anybody know anything about this 16 year old lad Kadan Young, who was on the bench yesterday?
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Does anybody know anything about this 16 year old lad Kadan Young, who was on the bench yesterday?
He gave Cuccuella, a £60M full back, a bit of a torrid time in the Abu Dhabi friendly against Chelsea.
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I hope they pick him -and Josh Feeney -for the next round in the Youth Cup. Young will still be eligible for next season's competition!
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I would like to see them play Stevenage.
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Chucky Jnr is on loan at Crawley.
The manager who signed him for Crawley - John Betsy - was sacked on October 9th after 12 games in charge.
They then had an interim manager - Lewis Young, before appointing Simon Etherington as manager on Nov 27th.
32 days later they've sacked Etherington .... after 3 games in charge. A win and 2 defeats.
Madness.
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Chucky Jnr is on loan at Crawley.
The manager who signed him for Crawley - John Betsy - was sacked on October 9th after 12 games in charge.
They then had an interim manager - Lewis Young, before appointing Simon Etherington as manager on Nov 27th.
32 days later they've sacked Etherington .... after 3 games in charge. A win and 2 defeats.
Madness.
And Chucky Jnr ain't gong to be playing for our first team ... is he?
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We've recalled 3 players from their loans, in all cases the managers/coaches who took them on loan have been dismissed and Ramsey's recovering from a injury.
Hayden Lindley (Newport County) 5 appearances
Viljami Sinisalo (Burton Albion) - 8 appearances
Aaron Ramsey (Norwich) - 20 appearances
Pretty sure Villa will look to loan them out again for the rest of the season.
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I thought Ramsey was doing okay.
No bad thing getting them in front of emery though. At a minimum they’ll get the chance to see what the expectations will be next season.
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He's injured Dante. Not sure how serious it is but I heard he was out for a while.
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I've often wondered whether fans of lower-league clubs ever get annoyed/tired of their club borrowing starlets from Premier League clubs?
The success rate of 17-21 year olds going out and finding what football is like at the lower levels must be pretty mixed at best. For every Cam Archer or Tim Irnbru, we've probably got a handful of players out on loan who don't make a dent.
Wouldn't some of these clubs rather blood their own players, not potential prima donnas who will bugger back to fancy training grounds in a few months?
I presume it only happens because the parent club pay all the young player's wages so the risk is less for the smaller club.
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I've often wondered whether fans of lower-league clubs ever get annoyed/tired of their club borrowing starlets from Premier League clubs?
The success rate of 17-21 year olds going out and finding what football is like at the lower levels must be pretty mixed at best. For every Cam Archer or Tim Irnbru, we've probably got a handful of players out on loan who don't make a dent.
Wouldn't some of these clubs rather blood their own players, not potential prima donnas who will bugger back to fancy training grounds in a few months?
I presume it only happens because the parent club pay all the young player's wages so the risk is less for the smaller club.
A lot of lower league clubs have little choice. Without loans to supplement their squads they would struggle to field a team every week and of course this is down to finance. Many don’t really have an academy and if they do the quality is unlikely to match the level from the PL clubs.
I don’t think the model is good for football as it allows the big clubs to hoard all the talent and starve other clubs of youth development.
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It must depend on whether the player makes a valuable contribution or not. When we were in the Championship, we came to love Tammy Abraham but loan signings that didn't work would be pretty forgettable.
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To function as a league team you need somwhere between 20 and 25 players available for your fisrt team. If you can have 4-5 of them be 'free' then for some teams that can be the difference between red and black. Sometimes it'll be players who become integral to your team and earn you a few extra places in the league, maybe even a playoff place or promotion, and that's great for everyone, but if not they might just be extra bodies in training who only make a handful of appearances. If you stopped these sorts of loans, or massively restricted them, I suspect a lot of L1 and L2 clubs would really struggle. It would also make the argument for reserve teams in the pyramid harder to ignore.
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From what I’ve read most decent young players get snapped up anyway, so the chances of a lower level club having an unearthed diamond in their youth ranks is pretty low. Which is pretty shitty, but we are very much part of that food chain, ask WBA.
Until recently Brentford completely scrapped their youth set-up as any good player was quickly signed by one of the bigger London clubs. They found recruiting Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal’s released 18-years old to be a better system.
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Three points on the road as the Young Lions start the year with a victory
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1612553526139576320 (https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1612553526139576320)
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A goal for Feeney who apparently played really well, I think he might end up being a bit special and I'd probably be looking to get him a loan for the rest of the season, could easily be the ball playing centre-half we've been looking for.
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And still eligible for the Youth Cup.
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I have been impressed with Feeney every time I have have seen him. At any level from U18 to playing at Walsall for the seniors he has looked skillful, assured and composed. I have high hopes for him.
(As an aside predictive text doesn't recognize Walsall!)
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I have been impressed with Feeney every time I have have seen him. At any level from U18 to playing at Walsall for the seniors he has looked skillful, assured and composed. I have high hopes for him.
(As an aside predictive text doesn't recognize Walsall!)
He's also a big lad and doesn't like losing too apparently.
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A goal for Feeney who apparently played really well, I think he might end up being a bit special and I'd probably be looking to get him a loan for the rest of the season, could easily be the ball playing centre-half we've been looking for.
Yes I've said before that he looks something special. Was disappointed that he wasn't on the bench against Stevenage.
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We need to get him out on loan so that we can get him ready for the first team. He's 18 in May so we should be making him part of the first team squad before he turns 19 if he's that good.
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We need to get him out on loan so that we can get him ready for the first team. He's 18 in May so we should be making him part of the first team squad before he turns 19 if he's that good.
I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel like centre-back is a position where you get many very young players breaking through? Generally even the very good ones have hit 20 before they become first team ready, compared to more attacking players who can often appear at 16/17.
Maybe it's the physical requirements of the role, or the fact that a mistake as a centre-back is often more costly than a mistake as a forward, but I'd be surprised to see an 18-year-old centre-back playing any meaningful part in the first team - injury crisis apart. He looks a great prospect, but hopefully he'll get a loan next season and plenty of first team games at a decent level at 18/19, then perhaps be part of the squad when he's 19/20?
Or maybe I know fuck all and he's the next Gareth Barry who could look effortlessly comfortable in a premier league defence at 17?
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We need to get him out on loan so that we can get him ready for the first team. He's 18 in May so we should be making him part of the first team squad before he turns 19 if he's that good.
I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel like centre-back is a position where you get many very young players breaking through? Generally even the very good ones have hit 20 before they become first team ready, compared to more attacking players who can often appear at 16/17.
Maybe it's the physical requirements of the role, or the fact that a mistake as a centre-back is often more costly than a mistake as a forward, but I'd be surprised to see an 18-year-old centre-back playing any meaningful part in the first team - injury crisis apart. He looks a great prospect, but hopefully he'll get a loan next season and plenty of first team games at a decent level at 18/19, then perhaps be part of the squad when he's 19/20?
Or maybe I know fuck all and he's the next Gareth Barry who could look effortlessly comfortable in a premier league defence at 17?
John Terry, Stones, Gazza Bazza, Ferdinand, Saliba ... some examples of young-starting CB
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Saliba had at least two season long loans before arsenal were prepared to trust him. I’d be happy for Feeney to do similar if it means his mistakes are made away from the spotlight and he ultimately becomes a better player.
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The signing of Duran and the ongoing loans or selling of ex-Academy and younger players made me think about how few of our Academy players are making it to first team level.
I know that it's not straightforward for younger players to come through, but there has been a lack of success in recent years. Jacob Ramsey has made it, but then from our FA Youth Cup winners in 2021, Chukwuemeka is the only one who had any significant senior involvement, and it's quite possible that we won't see any of the others playing with any regularity for the first team. Kadan Young who's only 17 this week, may buck the trend.
I saw it mentioned on another thread that supporters tend to over-estimate our youngsters, and it seems to be the case that our development programme through to first team level isn't as fruitful as maybe it should be. We are not alone in this, but given the amount of investment and emphasis at that level, should we be expecting a bit more?
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The chuk transfer probably paid the running costs of the youth system for a number of years, Add in Ramsey has saved us £XX then I reckon we are doing okay,
There’s a cluster of other players that could be sold for millions if we chose to too (Tim/KHH etc).
One player graduating each season would be a phenomenal result and we are not far off that.
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The signing of Duran and the ongoing loans or selling of ex-Academy and younger players made me think about how few of our Academy players are making it to first team level.
I know that it's not straightforward for younger players to come through, but there has been a lack of success in recent years. Jacob Ramsey has made it, but then from our FA Youth Cup winners in 2021, Chukwuemeka is the only one who had any significant senior involvement, and it's quite possible that we won't see any of the others playing with any regularity for the first team. Kadan Young who's only 17 this week, may buck the trend.
I saw it mentioned on another thread that supporters tend to over-estimate our youngsters, and it seems to be the case that our development programme through to first team level isn't as fruitful as maybe it should be. We are not alone in this, but given the amount of investment and emphasis at that level, should we be expecting a bit more?
Tim Iroegbunam & Aaron Ramsey will both make it into the first team over the next couple of years. The rest will mostly fall by the wayside with Kaine Kesler-Hayden a coin flip. In my humble opinion... After that we are looking at the likes of Josh Feeney, Kadan Young & Rory Wilson. As the years pass, I am thinking the quality we bring in will improve with the investments we are making & we will get one or two real gems... Time will tell.
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I do hope so although I wasn't really counting Ireogbunam as he didn't come through our academy.
I think for the investment and time spent nowadays on talented young players, that we, along with other Premier League clubs, should be expecting, rather than hoping, to produce more than one or two every few years.
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Terry, Stones, Gazza Bazza, Ferdinand, Saliba ... some examples of young-starting CB
The original poster is probably right. These players stand out because they were exceptional. Maldini was quite a good young player as well. Fofana was the other one that I was thinking of, bought by Leicester at 19 and thrown straight into the first team.
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I do hope so although I wasn't really counting Ireogbunam as he didn't come through our academy.
I think for the investment and time spent nowadays on talented young players, that we, along with other Premier League clubs, should be expecting, rather than hoping, to produce more than one or two every few years.
The investment is very small compared to signing senior players, We've just spent more on a 19 year old than an entire year of the academy, selling Jack and chuk will have funded it for a decade, Ramsey will have saved us 30-40m in fees. If we have a player like that come through every 4-5 years then that's enough for the program to be worth it, add in people like Clark and Baker who did a job for a few years and then went for profits and our academy is one of the better ones in the league and we haven't really seen the benefit of the big investment yet.
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The signing of Duran and the ongoing loans or selling of ex-Academy and younger players made me think about how few of our Academy players are making it to first team
Yes, it would be interesting to understand whether our strategy of spending relatively big money on academy players has been paying-off. Some seem to be doing well, like Iroegbunam, but does it represent good value in the aggregate? Barry and Kesler-Hayden don’t seem to be particularly thriving, and Azaz is still only playing in the third tier at 22. I get confused about who is with the U18s, and who is with the U21s. I haven’t heard anything about Shakpoke for a while, but maybe he is still with the U18s.
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Shakpoke is injured and out for the rest of the season.
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We should hopefully start seeing dividends from the youth investment in the next season or two, at this point we should reasonably be expecting a Tim or Feeney to be part of the squad. Their inclusion saving us £10-30m depending on how much they play. This is compounded by the improved training facilities which should attract better players and improving them all by a small percentage.
Arguably there was a 5-years void where Randy lost interest and the Dr didn’t have a clue, so the taps have only been turned back on since NSWE came along.
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We should hopefully start seeing dividends from the youth investment in the next season or two, at this point we should reasonably be expecting a Tim or Feeney to be part of the squad. Their inclusion saving us £10-30m depending on how much they play. This is compounded by the improved training facilities which should attract better players and improving them all by a small percentage.
Arguably there was a 5-years void where Randy lost interest and the Dr didn’t have a clue, so the taps have only been turned back on since NSWE came along.
Yep, there was a big push on the youth side over the first 12 months when they came in but that will have been done with an expectation of around 5 years to see the impact of signing players at that level and a few more years on top to see the 'in house' players go up a level.
Young and O'Reilly seem to be the first 2 from the 'new' group that have come through from our youth ranks and push for the first team squad and both look like decent options. That we'vedeveloped a first teamer and a £20m player even during the fallow period is impressive and the 10 years before that clearly produced a lot of players who've either done well for us, made us decent money or gone on to have decent careers, which is why we're still one of the most productive academies in the Premier league era.
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That's for the older youth players. There will be 10-15 year olds that we signed and have worked with too who we will need to wait longer to see come through.
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FA Youth Cup v Southampton KO 2pm
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Team
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/aston-villa-southampton-fa-live-25997054
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1 nil Southampton
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Saints 1-0.
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Half time 0-1
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That's for the older youth players. There will be 10-15 year olds that we signed and have worked with too who we will need to wait longer to see come through.
That's who I meant by the 'few years on top' comment.
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2 nil Saints
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3-0. Saints far to strong for Villa..
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Kellyman gets a consolation 1-4.
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FT 1-4
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Notwithstanding any loans out (which a lot of Prem clubs do anyway), it's not been the best of seasons so far at u18 or u21 level.
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Our Indiana has left us for St. Louis City and Brad Young has been recalled from Ayr Utd
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1615363766241083392?s=61&t=PcotqCbh0dtDDhMgwotRvg
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Aaron Ramsey now going to Middlesbrough for the rest of the season. Good shout that. Especially to piss off Norwich. Danks will look after him too.
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He was doing well for Norwich before his injury.
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Saw a few highlights of our 4-0 win over the stripeys. The one assist by Frith was football porn.
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U18s reached the semi-finals of the Under-18 Premier League Cup at the weekend with a 0-4 win over Soton
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Good result, Southampton are normally good in the youth leagues.
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U21s/18s beat Tividale on penalties.
Q-finals up next.
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U21s/18s beat Tividale on penalties.
Q-finals up next.
Someone on Twitter asked how long we'd been entering the BSC. Er, since about 1876.
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Looks like Alvechurch is the quarters.
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U21s/18s beat Tividale on penalties.
Q-finals up next.
Hopefully that was a very young team or a kind of reserve youth considering Tividale are a struggling team at Step 5 of non-league.
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U21s/18s beat Tividale on penalties.
Q-finals up next.
Hopefully that was a very young team or a kind of reserve youth considering Tividale are a struggling team at Step 5 of non-league.
It was. Nobody takes the BSC seriously; it's a bit of a flag-waving exercise to the outposts of civilisation.
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Don't underestimate Local Non League Football. Tivi are not a very good MFL Team but they are not going to play against a Premier League outfit without testing out their bravery.
It was cold, windy and a bobbly pitch. Some of the tackling was last seen in the 1970s.
The Villa kids stood up to them and went long ball themselves.
The back four and particularly Feeney and Smith were great.
The majority of the Villa players will eventually play at Non League level. Tividale had Melvin in midfield who played in the youth team with Grealish, Robinson, Graham and Crowley.
In the next round we play Alvechurch who have another ex Villa youth playing at Right back.
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Don't underestimate Local Non League Football. Tivi are not a very good MFL Team but they are not going to play against a Premier League outfit without testing out their bravery.
It was cold, windy and a bobbly pitch. Some of the tackling was last seen in the 1970s.
The Villa kids stood up to them and went long ball themselves.
The back four and particularly Feeney and Smith were great.
The majority of the Villa players will eventually play at Non League level. Tividale had Melvin in midfield who played in the youth team with Grealish, Robinson, Graham and Crowley.
In the next round we play Alvechurch who have another ex Villa youth playing at Right back.
is that at Alvechurch?
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Don't underestimate Local Non League Football. Tivi are not a very good MFL Team but they are not going to play against a Premier League outfit without testing out their bravery.
It was cold, windy and a bobbly pitch. Some of the tackling was last seen in the 1970s.
The Villa kids stood up to them and went long ball themselves.
The back four and particularly Feeney and Smith were great.
Cheers Larry - thanks for the update.
The majority of the Villa players will eventually play at Non League level. Tividale had Melvin in midfield who played in the youth team with Grealish, Robinson, Graham and Crowley.
In the next round we play Alvechurch who have another ex Villa youth playing at Right back.
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Try again!
Cheers Larry - thanks for the update.
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It's an introduction to men's football, much like our U21's get in one of the lower league competitions they're involved in.
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Rory Wilson scored a hat trick for Scotland under 17s against Switzerland last week.
&ab_channel=ScotlandNationalTeam
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U18s reached the semi-finals of the Under-18 Premier League Cup at the weekend with a 0-4 win over Soton
Would the line-ups in this have been pretty similar to the FA Youth Cup meeting between the same clubs a few weeks prior? I thought the Youth Cup was for U18s too. Seems weird that the heavy scoreline was basically reversed.
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Beat Sunderland 6-4 at BMH in the U21/PL2 after leading 5-2 at the hour mark. Wilson came on as a sub on 38 mins and got 2.
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This Rory Wilson has a lot of potential. Good game for the kids
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpwbLUkWIAAAkCu?format=jpg&name=large)
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More a tale of defensive ineptitude than attacking brilliance but there was some good passing and moving.
Apparently, we're now in a play-off place after winning six of our last seven league games.
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That's great. I'd really like them to get promoted so that they can be regularly be playing against better opposition. Hopefully it could help attract better prospects too.
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Any South Brum Villans going to the Alvechurch senior cup match?
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Won 3-2 at Boro in the U21/PL2 with goals from Afoka, Wilson and Seb Revan (pen).
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Any South Brum Villans going to the Alvechurch senior cup match?
don't know it's full of Birmingham around there,I am a bit scared, might get a coach there
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Seb Revan seems like an unusual choice for a penalty taker.
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The lad scored one the other week against Sunderland.
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From an article in the Athletic -
"It is entirely possible that UEFA will have to tighten the homegrown rule to insist that clubs can only count players who came through their own academy towards their homegrown quota."
Currently, the homegrown rule includes players coming through any academy in the same country.
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From an article in the Athletic -
"It is entirely possible that UEFA will have to tighten the homegrown rule to insist that clubs can only count players who came through their own academy towards their homegrown quota."
Currently, the homegrown rule includes players coming through any academy in the same country.
I think that would be a very stupid idea and would lead to some clubs hoarding huge numbers of 16-17 year olds to ensure they had 1-2 a season making the breakthrough with 3 years at the club as U21, making it a lot more difficult for smaller teams to meet those requirements.
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It's following a case that went to the European Court of Justice though, following a challenge Antwerp made to the Homegrown rule. The Advocate-General found that the current restrictions had a purpose. But then said that the game's definition of what a home-grown player is, is too generous. And aren't compliant with free-movement rules.
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U18 reach cup final with 3-2 victory over Charlton
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Good news.
Kaden Young scored the winner but was sent off near the end.
Someone told me that the U-15s beat Chelsea in their National QF this week. Well done, lads.
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Bodes well to see our kids doing well in various age groups.
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Looking forward to the Alvechurch game tonight. Free beer too!!
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Looking forward to the Alvechurch game tonight. Free beer too!!
5-5 now
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Villa lose on pens
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Really entertaining game. Blooming cold though
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Did any of our kids stand out?
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Winger Chisom Afoka looks good. Strong tall and good feet
Charlie lutz scored a very neat hat trick.
Our number 5 (sorry not sure of his name) also impressed me
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Winger Chisom Afoka looks good. Strong tall and good feet
Charlie lutz scored a very neat hat trick.
Our number 5 (sorry not sure of his name) also impressed me
Aaron O'Reilly according to the team sheet I saw. I've heard he's a decent prospect but Smith alongside him is more highly rated I think.
I've heard good things about Kyrie Pierre who was the 7 last night but no idea how we got on.
Afoka is an interesting one, he's out of contract in the summer and will be 20 this year so I think he might be one that gets released.
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5-5?! Good grief!
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Swinkels out for up to 9-12 months having torn his ACL.
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Swinkels out for up to 9-12 months having torn his ACL.
Poor fucker, horrible injury at any time but to happen when Emery has had him training with the seniors is awful for him.
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U18 Premier League Cup final against Spurs to be held at Villa Park on May 4th.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/22/u18-premier-league-cup-final-to-be-held-at-villa-park/
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On another subject, does anyone know what's happened to Tommy O'Reilly?
Played brilliantly earlier in the season, UA took him to Dubai for the re-start warm-up games and I've seen nothing of him since.
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Incoming?
Several sites carrying the story.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/aidan-borland-close-to-celtic-26590168
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Incoming?
Several sites carrying the story.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/aidan-borland-close-to-celtic-26590168
It would make up for the disappointment of not signing Aiden McGeady Apparently he's a midfielder and it's heartening that we seem to be trying to go about it the right way.
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Trying - and actually - doing things the right way might be more exoensive and initially mean we miss our on sond orisorcrs.
But if would be nnice to think that it will pay dividends long term if it means that approaches by Villa are seen to be more acceptable and indeed honourable than those by other clubs, and thus put us at the front of the queue in the future
We want to build a reputation as a club that not only pays a fair price when it comes to signing young playerd but acts properly as well.
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I mean who hasn’t missed out on their on sond orisorcrs.
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Me. I saw them supporting Ozric Tentacles in 85.
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Trying - and actually - doing things the right way might be more exoensive and initially mean we miss our on sond orisorcrs.
But if would be nnice to think that it will pay dividends long term if it means that approaches by Villa are seen to be more acceptable and indeed honourable than those by other clubs, and thus put us at the front of the queue in the future
We want to build a reputation as a club that not only pays a fair price when it comes to signing young playerd but acts properly as well.
That's a nasty cold you have there.
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Raikhy and Lindley, both midfielders who have had spells on loan over the last two seasons, also featured in the Youth Cup success but will not be kept on.
Winger, Frith, was signed in October 2021 after spells at Chelsea and Charlton Athletic.
Villa are in the process of deciding what happens next to a number of other young players at the club.
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U18s just taken the lead against Norwich having been 0-2 down and having a man sent off at 2-2.... 10 mins to go.
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Finished 3-2.
Rory Wilson scored our first and then got sent off. We had to come from 1-2 down with 10 men to win that.
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U18s currently 2-0 after 4 minutes v Leicester. Rory Wilson with both goals.
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3-0 after 15 minutes, though now approaching half time.
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3-2 after 71.
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Wilson hat-trick for 4-2
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Seems to be too good for the U18's now. Looks like a tall lad, just needs to fill out a bit.
https://www.astonvillanews.co.uk/2023/04/26/rory-wilson-proving-himself-the-brightest-talent-to-play-for-aston-villa-academy-since-jack-grealish/
Louie Barry's red card has been rescinded.
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Rory Wilson gives Villa the lead in cup final
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Spurs equalise on the stroke of half-time.
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1-2Tottenham now
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1-3 Tottenham
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Omari Kelleyman going off at half-time didn't help us at all.
Neither did getting hit on the break for Spurs's second and third goals.
Still, some useful players in that Villa side.
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Indeed, once Kellyman went off (assuming injured as he’d stopped running) we looked lightweight. He is going to be some player though, his run for our goal was excellent.
Feeney looked really composed, Young was a threat at times and we had the better of the chances but got done on the break.
Spurs brought a good few to be fair and were noisy, especially their number 9s gobby dad who was sat next to me first half.
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Kadan Young heading off with England U17s Euros squad.
Looks like the games are all on iPlayer too, with Croatia v England tomorrow at 7pm.
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Rory Wilson and Ewan Simpson are in the Scotland squad too. They kick off today against France at 1530 on iPlayer too.
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Chukwuemeka brother is returning to parent club according to Crawley released / retained list…guess he’ll either be released on a free or sent out on loan again
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Chukwuemeka brother is returning to parent club according to Crawley released / retained list…guess he’ll either be released on a free or sent out on loan again
We should sell him to Chelsea for £10m.
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Chukwuemeka brother is returning to parent club according to Crawley released / retained list…guess he’ll either be released on a free or sent out on loan again
Didn’t realise we still had him
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Kadan Young got his first start for England U17s today against the Swiss.
He's looked lively so far.
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I believe the PL2 is changing for 23/24 season. One 'big' league with all PL2 teams ranked by an algorithm to decide fixtures. Top 8 qualify for Europe.
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Sounds like the way the NFL decide fixtures.
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Four more young 'uns have signed pro contracts. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/26/Academy-quartet-sign-professional-contracts/
Their names sound more like baseball players rather young academy footballers.
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Let’s hope Kobei Moore kicks on at Villa more than his dad did…thought Stefan was a brilliant finisher in age group football, actually thought he was a better finisher than his brother.
Good luck Kobei (& the other 3)
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Youngsters are into the HK7’s final.
It is live on Cluch (unfortunately you have to register to watch) at 10.45am
https://cluch.tv/football/hkfc-citi-soccer-7s/28-may-hkfc-citi-soccer-sevens-day-3/
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Youngsters are into the HK7’s final.
It is live on Cluch (unfortunately you have to register to watch) at 10.45am
https://cluch.tv/football/hkfc-citi-soccer-7s/28-may-hkfc-citi-soccer-sevens-day-3/
Match delayed by approx 45mins….KO now 11.30ish
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1-0 to Villa after 90 secs
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662769244935798784?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
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2-0 to Villa
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662770240365666305?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
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3-0 to Villa and a Red Card for Tai Po FC
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662772081400979457?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
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Youngsters are into the HK7’s final.
It is live on Cluch (unfortunately you have to register to watch) at 10.45am
https://cluch.tv/football/hkfc-citi-soccer-7s/28-may-hkfc-citi-soccer-sevens-day-3/
I enjoyed that. Thanks for posting the link!
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3-0 to Villa and a Red Card for Tai Po FC
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662772081400979457?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Are you sure you spelt that correctly?
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Tai Po? That is my favourite Chinese takeaway, by the Swan.
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3-0 to Villa and a Red Card for Tai Po FC
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662772081400979457?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Are you sure you spelt that correctly?
Yes, that’s how it is spelt in the clip
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3-0 to Villa and a Red Card for Tai Po FC
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662772081400979457?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Are you sure you spelt that correctly?
Very good!
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3-0 to Villa and a Red Card for Tai Po FC
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662772081400979457?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Are you sure you spelt that correctly?
Very good!
That really was excellent.
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Marvellous stuff.
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3-0 to Villa and a Red Card for Tai Po FC
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1662772081400979457?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Are you sure you spelt that correctly?
Ho ho I've only just got that! Excellent work.
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Kadan Young in the England Squad that has reached the Final of the Euros U17 today at 2pm.
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Kadan Young in the England Squad that has reached the Final of the Euros U17 today at 2pm.
They were knocked out of Euros weren’t they? This is a play off game to qualify for World Cup
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Kadan Young on, within minutes gets an assist to take England 3-2 up.
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Kadan Young in the England Squad that has reached the Final of the Euros U17 today at 2pm.
They were knocked out of Euros weren’t they? This is a play off game to qualify for World Cup
Ah, my mistake!
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Kadan Young scores to make it 4-2 England!
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And it's all over! England are through to the U17 World Cup thanks to Villa wonderkid, Kadan Young!
And another England manager learns the hard way that England are always better when there's a Villan on the pitch.
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That's quite a contribution after coming on as sub!
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I see we've let a few go... Shakpoke, Raikhy and Brad Young were the ones surprising me.
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I see we've let a few go... Shakpoke, Raikhy and Brad Young were the ones surprising me.
Especially Raikhy. Always seemed tidy on the ball whenever I have watched him.
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Yep absolutely, he's always seemed one of the better ones. Perhaps we just couldn't agree terms.
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Declan Frith, Hayden Lindley, Arjan Raikhy, Ruben Shakpoke, Myles Sohna, Jed Steer, Ashley Young and Brad Young have all been released.
Im not surprised by any of them being gone tbh.
Raikhy looked decidedly shaky when he was on loan at both Grimsby & Stockport whenever I saw him. He looked good in the youth cup final, but the step up to mens football seemed difficult for him.
Brad Young was always going to struggle. He is nothing more than a straight line pace merchant & you can get away with that in reserve football, but you need more than that for proper mens football. His pace might make him useful in non league football.
The rest are nothing more than practice squad quality players for the reserves.
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Didn't we pay money for Shakpoke when he came from the Norwich academy? I could be wrong, it was a couple of years ago now.
it's a shame to see some of the better-known youth cup winner released, but this was always going to be the case. If only two players from each age group were good enough for the first team, you'd never have to buy a player ever. The reality is that getting one first-team player per year from the youth scheme would be punching WAY above the average.
Good luck to them at whatever clubs they find themselves, and hopefully their time here will give them enough to forge a reasonable career elsewhere.
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Didn't we pay money for Shakpoke when he came from the Norwich academy? I could be wrong, it was a couple of years ago now.
it's a shame to see some of the better-known youth cup winner released, but this was always going to be the case. If only two players from each age group were good enough for the first team, you'd never have to buy a player ever. The reality is that getting one first-team player per year from the youth scheme would be punching WAY above the average.
Good luck to them at whatever clubs they find themselves, and hopefully their time here will give them enough to forge a reasonable career elsewhere.
came in with a good reputation but got injured very early on (from what I remember) and never seemed to settle once he got fit.
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Yeah, it was a cruciate I think. It cost him his first season with us.
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I believe the PL2 is changing for 23/24 season. One 'big' league with all PL2 teams ranked by an algorithm to decide fixtures. Top 8 qualify for Europe.
www.trainingground.guru/articles/premier-league-2-to-switch-to-swiss-style-format-from-next-season
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Aston Villa Under-21s have found out their opponents in the 2023/24 EFL Trophy.
Tony Carss’ team were drawn in the Southern Group of the competition, landing in the same Group B alongside Charlton Athletic, Crawley Town and Sutton United.
Dates and times for EFL Trophy fixtures will be confirmed in due course.
During the 2022/23 campaign, the Young Lions took on AFC Wimbledon, Portsmouth and Crawley Town.
While they were eliminated in the group stage last term, Villa won their group in 2021/22 and advanced to the knockout stages.
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Talk we're trying to nab another Albion kid, Rico Richards - https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/06/24/aston-villa-in-talks-to-seal-the-signing-of-19-year-old-midfielder/.
At 19, you would think he should be quite far down the development track. Maybe ready for his first loan move even. Rotterdam should have a good insight on him and the other Albion lad we signed.
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2 more young talents signed - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/linfield-set-to-receive-significant-fee-as-talented-young-pair-net-premier-league-move/a1349695014.html.
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Talk we're trying to nab another Albion kid, Rico Richards - https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/06/24/aston-villa-in-talks-to-seal-the-signing-of-19-year-old-midfielder/.
At 19, you would think he should be quite far down the development track. Maybe ready for his first loan move even. Rotterdam should have a good insight on him and the other Albion lad we signed.
I can add to this after July 1st OCD...
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Talk we're trying to nab another Albion kid, Rico Richards - https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/06/24/aston-villa-in-talks-to-seal-the-signing-of-19-year-old-midfielder/.
At 19, you would think he should be quite far down the development track. Maybe ready for his first loan move even. Rotterdam should have a good insight on him and the other Albion lad we signed.
I can add to this after July 1st OCD...
👍🏼
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I wonder would Emery have kept on Mark Delaney and George Boateng rather than have them sacked like Gerrard did.
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I wonder would Emery have kept on Mark Delaney and George Boateng rather than have them sacked like Gerrard did.
Well he got rid of everybody else, so my gut feeling is 'no'.
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I wonder would Emery have kept on Mark Delaney and George Boateng rather than have them sacked like Gerrard did.
Well he got rid of everybody else, so my gut feeling is 'no'.
Not everyone, he kept McPhee so he seems willing to work with people that meet his needs.
I get the impression though that Boateng and Delaney, whilst decent at what they were doing, weren't quite on the level we were aiming for and the decision for them to go wasn't purely from Gerrard.
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Didn't Boateng leave to work with Ghana, anyway?
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Jedinak, loans and development person these days, off to Spurs.
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KKH gine to Plymouth Argyle on a season long loan;
https://twitter.com/Argyle/status/1674455463780397061?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Argyle/status/1674455463780397061?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
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Good move for him I reckon. He's got ability but had a bad year last season so he really needs to get back on track.
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Good to get it done early so he can have a full pre-season with them.
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Jamal Jimoh leaves West Brom. He looks a bit similar to Duran so I won’t bother watching him.
Once you’ve seen Jhon, you’ve seen Jamal.
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Jamal Jimoh leaves West Brom. He looks a bit similar to Duran so I won’t bother watching him.
Once you’ve seen Jhon, you’ve seen Jamal.
Very good.
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Risso, that's a new low!
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Sorry!
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Sorry!
Risso, not great but better than the last two months jokes on the off topic joke thread.
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Sorry!
Risso, not great but better than the last two months jokes on the off topic joke thread.
The bible one was good I thought.
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Sorry!
Risso, not great but better than the last two months jokes on the off topic joke thread.
The bible one was good I thought.
You're right Percy, it was very clever.
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Rico Richards signed from the Bitters.
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Rico Richards signed from the Bitters.
great, can see the steam coming out there ears already DVBs
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Isn't it time to formalise their role as our feeder club?
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Isn't it time to formalise their role as our feeder club?
No, that would probably benefit them in someway. Better to just keep robbing them blind.
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Rico Richards signed from the Bitters.
great, can see the steam coming out there ears already DVBs
Had a quick look on their forum when it was first mentioned here and they didn't seem that bothered tbh. Some would have given him another year's deal, but the feeling seemed to be that whilst he had showed promise the change of scenery might do him good and help him regain his form.
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Isn't it time to formalise their role as our feeder club?
No, that would probably benefit them in someway. Better to just keep robbing them blind.
There would also be the problem if we both ended up in the same European competi...hahahahaha!
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Talk we're trying to nab another Albion kid, Rico Richards - https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/06/24/aston-villa-in-talks-to-seal-the-signing-of-19-year-old-midfielder/.
At 19, you would think he should be quite far down the development track. Maybe ready for his first loan move even. Rotterdam should have a good insight on him and the other Albion lad we signed.
I can add to this after July 1st OCD...
Rico - signed pro on 17th birthday. Can play wide left/right or as a 10. Great things were expected, but a couple of long term hamstring injuries held him back. Had a decent end to his third year at u21 level. A bit lightweight. Lovely kid, very introverted. I suspect he'll be an u21 squad player, maybe laoned out to see if he kicks on. Maybe worth a few quid in 18mths. Won't get near 1st team.
JJ - u16. Didn't sign a scholarship. Villa have paid a fee. Comes from a background whereby a confirmed pro will mean the world. Plays as an 8 mainly. Tall and athletic. Can be lazy. Dropped out England u17 set up despite playing in qualifying games, didn't make Euro squad. Good on his day...another cheap'ish gamble. Not as good or driven as Tim Iroegbunam.
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Thanks Rotters. I'd guess Richards either goes straight out on loan or he's involved with the U21's for the first half season and then goes out on loan.
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Latest U18 scholars intake. (Write ups from the OS)
Sam Proctor is a goalkeeper who has represented England at youth level. An excellent distributor of the ball and shot-stopper, he was a member of the Under-16 squad that won the Premier League National Tournament last season.
An athletic right-back who gets forward well, Ashton McWilliams has played for the Under-18s previously. He was also a member of the Under-16 squad that won the Premier League National Tournament.
Triston Rowe has featured for the club’s Under-21 and Under-18 sides and can play right-back or centre-back. He has represented England at youth level and was captain of the team that won the Under-16 Premier League National Tournament.
Max Asante-Boakye is a quick, athletic centre-back who can drive into midfield effectively. Max was a key part of the back four who did not concede a goal when winning the Under-16 Premier League National Tournament.
An attacking, creative midfielder, who is very competent technically, Max Lott can manage the ball very effectively and is a threat in the final third. He has been involved with the Under-18s and was a member of the Under-16 squad that won the Premier League National Tournament.
TJ Carroll is a midfielder who can play in a variety of positions. He has a very good presence on the pitch, affecting the game in both boxes. He was a member of the Under-16 squad that won the Premier League National Tournament.
Ben Broggio is a creative attacking player who is effective in the final third of the pitch. He is technically proficient and has represented England at youth level. He has already played at Under-18 level and was a member of the Under-16 team that won the Premier League National Tournament.
Trai-Varn Mulley is an exciting wide player who has already played Under-18s football. He is effective at running and dribbling with the ball, he is quick and athletic and contributes well to the attacking play of the team. He was a member of the Under-16 squad that won the Premier League National Tournament.
A strong, athletic player who is technically very good and has the ability to create in the final third, Luka Lynch has played a number of times for the Under-18s. He was also a member of the Under-16 squad that won the Premier League National Tournament.
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@AVFCOfficial
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Josh Feeney has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1681325748487958528
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@AVFCOfficial
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Josh Feeney has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1681325748487958528
Excellent news...
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@AVFCOfficial
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Josh Feeney has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1681325748487958528
Excellent news...
Even better English.
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Happy with that.
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Happy with that.
Seconded.
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@AVFCOfficial
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Josh Feeney has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1681325748487958528
Excellent news...
Even better English.
are
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Good lad.
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Who are the next off the production line. It feels like Ramsey, Tim, Archer have out grown U23 football but not sure who the next likely lads are (beyond Feeney).
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What's Louie Barry up to? Wasn't he supposed to be the next big thing?
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@AVFCOfficial
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Josh Feeney has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1681325748487958528
Excellent news...
Even better English.
Yes, he captained England at U-16 level.
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Who are the next off the production line. It feels like Ramsey, Tim, Archer have out grown U23 football but not sure who the next likely lads are (beyond Feeney).
Bogarde, O'Reilly, Kellyman, Wilson, Patterson and Young are all very promising and/or have good reputations. At the weekend Wilson wasn't included but the rest played and all looked decent except for Kellyman who got bullied a bit.
Below that the U16s won an academy tournament last Autumn and were supposedly very impressive so I wouldn't be shocked to see another bunch of names start cropping up soon.
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Irrelevant question, but is that Kellyman lad any relation to the actress Erin Kellyman? Think she's from Tamworth. Or is it just a very common name in that neck of the woods?
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Irrelevant question, but is that Kellyman lad any relation to the actress Erin Kellyman? Think she's from Tamworth. Or is it just a very common name in that neck of the woods?
Doubt it, he's from Derby and his mom's from Northern Ireland.
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Not sure but pretty sure when we signed him from Derby he was described as from Northern Ireland
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Not sure but pretty sure when we signed him from Derby he was described as from Northern Ireland
He's opted to play for England now. He's from Derby, which is what, about 30 miles from Tamworth?
Never heard the surname before seeing her in some stuff. Now a second person from the same general are has the same surname.
Again, completely irrelevant to anything football related, but I'm curious now.
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Who are the next off the production line. It feels like Ramsey, Tim, Archer have out grown U23 football but not sure who the next likely lads are (beyond Feeney).
Bogarde, O'Reilly, Kellyman, Wilson, Patterson and Young are all very promising and/or have good reputations. At the weekend Wilson wasn't included but the rest played and all looked decent except for Kellyman who got bullied a bit.
Below that the U16s won an academy tournament last Autumn and were supposedly very impressive so I wouldn't be shocked to see another bunch of names start cropping up soon.
Poor form to quote myself but I've asked my mate and he reckons Ben Broggio is the one to watch out for from the U16s.
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I’m still keeping the faith that Chrisene will be the one, hopefully he’ll stay fit this season and get a loan in maybe League One
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I’m still keeping the faith that Chrisene will be the one, hopefully he’ll stay fit this season and get a loan in maybe League One
I'm really not sure about him, whenever I've seen him he looks very good defensively but a bit lost in the opposition half, which isn't great for a modern fullback, maybe he needs a run as a DM somewhere (or maybe I'm just being a bit unfair).
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Thanks all. Not a criticism of the club but they all feel a way off loans to the championship. It’s also weird how Kessler and Barry have seemed to have got lost somewhere.
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Anyone know who the left winger was who played second half against Walsall? Smallish stature, had a gait similar to Vassell.
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Anyone know who the left winger was who played second half against Walsall? Smallish stature, had a gait similar to Vassell.
Seb Revan, he's a left back really.
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Thank you.
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My take -
Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson
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My take -
Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson
Looks about right to me, maybe nudge Wilson up one.
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Even Wilson has said he needs to get a bit bigger/stronger first.
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Even Wilson has said he needs to get a bit bigger/stronger first.
Indeed, but 15 in 24 at the various youth levels for us suggests he's already too good for that level, he does need to work on his strength but I wouldn't be surprised if we did loan him out and if not now certainly in January if he carries on as he has. From what I've seen we need to be careful we don't hold him back for too long because he has huge amounts of natural talent and instinct. He could do with the sort of loan that Grealish got at Notts County where he was technically miles ahead of most people but needed to learn how to look after himself against men.
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Not sure bracketing Wilson with a generational talent is helping him. I hope he's that good and able to get league football at 17. I take the point that he's still scoring for fun at youth level though. And therein lies the problem for our coaches to solve. Who knows, maybe he's bulked up a bit over the summer. I'm sure he's done a fair bit of strength and conditioning and been able to be in a calorie surplus for a decent amount of time to put some size on.
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My take -
Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson
Looks about right to me, maybe nudge Wilson up one.
Have we let Finn Aziz go- was his move to Plymouth made permanent?
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Not sure bracketing Wilson with a generational talent is helping him. I hope he's that[/] good and able to get league football at 17. I take the point that he's still scoring for fun at youth level though. And therein lies the problem for our coaches to solve. Who knows, maybe he's bulked up a bit over the summer. I'm sure he's done a fair bit of strength and conditioning and been able to be in a calorie surplus for a decent amount of time to put some size on.
That's not what I was trying to do, rather just saying that the sort of loan he needs is less about the level he goes to and more about just playing senior football. Some players need the experience of going through the levels, I'm not sure that's going to be the case with him. It was probably true for Jacob Ramsey as well.
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My take -
Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson
Looks about right to me, maybe nudge Wilson up one.
Have we let Finn Aziz go- was his move to Plymouth made permanent?
I forgot about him, he's another that, if we're keeping him, needs to be in the championship or with us, no point loaning him below that.
The next big things for the kids is to see who gets taken the America, anyone who makes the trip stands a decent chance of being around the squad for the first half of the season and getting time in the cup and in europe.
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My take -
Ready to be integrated or likely to be their last loan - A Ramsey, Iroegbunam, Archer, Philogene.
Ready for a loan at Championship level - Bogarde, Chrisene.
Ready for their first/next loan - O'Reilly, K Young, Patterson, Feeney, Barry, Revan.
Kept back a little longer - Kellyman, Wilson
Philogene-Bidace is probably the only one I would disagree with on your list.
I would place him in the next loan category.
I might even sell him, if the offer was good. With a buy back & sell on clause, of course.
Wilson & Kellyman need to get into the gym. With their respective height, if they bulked out a bit, it would really help their game along...
Have we let Finn Aziz go- was his move to Plymouth made permanent?
He hasn't moved to Plymouth.
My brother in law & nephew would be jumping for joy if that happened...
He needs a Championship loan. Hopefully to Plymouth...👍
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I agree on Philogene, pablo_picasso but Emery seems to rate him so he might be kept around and used in the Conference games.
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I agree on Philogene, pablo_picasso but Emery seems to rate him so he might be kept around and used in the Conference games.
Philogene and Davis are both over-21 and club grown, we don't have many moee of those.
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Easah Suliman set to complete a move to Azerbaijan, signed his first professional contract with us in 2015.