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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
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Reached an agreement. Another one in! We aren't fucking around.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1529854749138378753?t=UbnKvQnFPVYjZ9LtXqDH8A&s=19
Welcome. Be brilliant, please.
And I beat Toronto Villa for the first time ever!
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I would describe being a Villa fan in the NSWE era as 'arousing'.
The transfer season is almost enjoyable as the actual football season.
Wow.
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Blimey!
Welcome to the best club you will every play for Diego, please be ruddy amazing.
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Emi Martinez says hello.
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Martinez?
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Great news! Another Brazilian Villain!
What about Tarkowski? Is that deal still on?
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Emi Martinez says hello.
We could do with a Uruguayan. Have we been linked with any?
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I BLOODY LOVE OUR OWNERS.
YES I AM SHOUTING !!!!!!!
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Reached an agreement. Another one in! We aren't fucking around.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1529854749138378753?t=UbnKvQnFPVYjZ9LtXqDH8A&s=19
Welcome. Be brilliant, please.
And I beat Toronto Villa for the first time ever!
LOL. Bloody coward only posting this once the OS did.
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Emi Martinez says hello.
We could do with a Uruguayan. Have we been linked with any?
Suarez.
Darwin Nunez is Uruguayan also but I'd be surprised if we got him.
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Can someone please describe what his attributes are? I read that he's 30, how is he for pace? Is he the fella Newcastle threw money at in January?
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Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Emi Martinez says hello.
oops - pressed post before I could edit.
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Reached an agreement. Another one in! We aren't fucking around.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1529854749138378753?t=UbnKvQnFPVYjZ9LtXqDH8A&s=19
Welcome. Be brilliant, please.
And I beat Toronto Villa for the first time ever!
LOL. Bloody coward only posting this once the OS did.
😄
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That's amazing. He's proper good.
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Welcome. I don't know the player, but hopefully he'll be good for Villa.
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But is he any good? Legitimate question for anyone who might know.
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Wiki page already updated 😀😀
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But is he any good? Legitimate question for anyone who might know.
Doing some quick google translates on the Twitter comments underneath the official Sevilla handle tells me their fans are none to happy he has left.
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Never heard of him to be honest. Ooh, I hope he's good.
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No messing around
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Fuckadoodledo. We’re not messing around are we?!
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Martinez?
Get Wesley back and we can open a South American steakhouse behind the North Stand.
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Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
Looks like it's the left going from this:
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There is a big opportunity this coming season for the likes of Villa & Newcastle to get amongst those clubs 4th-8th so it’s great to see us going for it - kind of the timeframe Purslow set out when we came up.
You kind of wonder if having Lange and team in place before Gerrard was brought in means recruitment wise we are just ahead of the blood money fc this window.
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Wiki page already updated 😀😀
I’m not convinced by this signing “Height 1.46 m (4 ft 9 in) “
Better let him know before signs that he’ll have to pay for entry to Peppa Pig world as he’s over 1m tall.
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When was the last time we made new signings before the end of May? I love that they will be here for pre-season.
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Jeez, we're not hanging about are we?
Clearly SG & Co have identified the weaknesses in the squad and Johan and Gang are getting them in the net good and early so that they can concentrate on shifting the deadwoo once the calendar ticks around to June 1.
At this rate we're going to need new doors at BMH such are the comings and goings.
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Welcome Diego to the greatest club on the planet.
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The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
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When was the last time we made new signings before the end of May? I love that they will be here for pre-season.
Emi Buendia last year and Kieron Richardson before him...probably.
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That's amazing. He's proper good.
Can you please elaborate?
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Hold on to your seats....
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Can someone please describe what his attributes are? I read that he's 30, how is he for pace? Is he the fella Newcastle threw money at in January?
30 next year, am hoping he's Thiago Silva like
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He has a tremendous left foot and has hit some worldy free kicks in his time. Surprised he’s still only 29.
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Can someone please describe what his attributes are? I read that he's 30, how is he for pace? Is he the fella Newcastle threw money at in January?
He's just turned 29 - 30 next March
Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
He's right footed but plays on the left, so a Mings replacement presumably.
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I'm really happy with this signing welcome to Aston Villa Diego.
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Can someone please describe what his attributes are? I read that he's 30, how is he for pace? Is he the fella Newcastle threw money at in January?
He's just turned 29 - 30 next March
Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
He's right footed but plays on the left, so a Mings replacement presumably.
Strength in depth needed as 5 subs allowed next season
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Can someone please describe what his attributes are? I read that he's 30, how is he for pace? Is he the fella Newcastle threw money at in January?
He's just turned 29 - 30 next March
Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
He's right footed but plays on the left, so a Mings replacement presumably.
Unless we receive a good offer, I think we should be keeping Mings.
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Wiki page already updated 😀😀
It is updated, but looking at stats he’s a bit small for a CB !?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Carlos_(footballer,_born_1993)
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I don't think Mings will stay. He wants to force his way into the world cup team and he's not doing that from our bench.
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The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
There are a lot of seriously bitter fans of other clubs out there. The speed at which we are doing this suggests that since he arrived Gerrard fucking blew his top at the players a few times for being...to be frank utter shit in certain games. Went upstairs. Cornered Purslow and Lange and demanded he get quality players.
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For anyone worried about "age", I'm sure Paul McGrath was round the 29 years mark when we signed him. If this guy proves half as decent a signing we're onto a winner. UTV
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
And Martinez!
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This is fantastic. I can't recall us ever having the majority of our incomings (presumably) completed before the cl final has even taken place
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Blimey!
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This is fantastic. I can't recall us ever having the majority of our incomings (presumably) completed before the cl final has even taken place
Just as well we didn't qualify, after all.
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I think we’re signing our new captain.
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Newcastle fans crying. Love it.
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The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
There are a lot of seriously bitter fans of other clubs out there. The speed at which we are doing this suggests that since he arrived Gerrard fucking blew his top at the players a few times for being...to be frank utter shit in certain games. Went upstairs. Cornered Purslow and Lange and demanded he get quality players.
The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
There are a lot of seriously bitter fans of other clubs out there.
One Newcastle fan upset that Carlos has signed for a small club rather than Newcastle ,they are seriously deluded
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The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
Well, it is after midday I suppose; bit early for me.
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Newcastle fans crying. Love it.
Some of them genuinely think Neymar is coming. Anyone have a hat I can eat?
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This another player ditching Champions League football for us.
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Hopefully these mistakes will be few and far between if it's all part of Europa League success...
Diego Carlos was part of the club's successful 2019–20 UEFA Europa League campaign. In the run up to the final, he conceded penalties in both of Sevilla's quarter-final and semi-final matches against Wolverhampton Wanderers and Manchester United respectively and then also gave away a penalty early on in the final itself against Inter Milan on 21 August 2020. He had a hand in the game-winning goal as his overhead kick was turned into the net by Romelu Lukaku.
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Emi Martinez says hello.
oops - pressed post before I could edit.
I do it all the time. And have to edit most of my posts !
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I only come on H&V to have a grumble on the politics thread, I didn’t expect this. No messing around by us!
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The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
Do you work in Downing Street? :)
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The Newcastle fan at work is pissed
Do you work in Downing Street? :)
Nobody actually works in Downing Street
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The cleaners do, lots of work
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One thing is clear, our South American contingent must be very happy and positive about the future, as he must have spoken to them.
Also Kamara said he spoke to Sanson & Digne, so even as a marginalised player Sanson must have been reasonably positive about us.
Exciting times.
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Johan Lange doesn't mess about does he?
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Welcome Diego, please settle quickly and be good.
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Two signings in four days that you'd expect the likes of Inter Milan or Atletico Madrid to have made, not the 14th placed Premier League Club.
We mean business!
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Johan Lange doesn't mess about does he?
Scandi assassin
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For those who care, which is nobody, Villa have a 4.5/5 rated squad on FIFA 22, the same as Arsenal.
I can't wait to play with Villa when Booby Kam and Diego are added 8)
We really do need to qualify for Europe next season BTW.
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Not sure about this one. He's a right big unit and uses his strength well and £26m at today's prices sounds about right. If he brought Jules Kounde with him I'd me more than happy.
Welcome, Diego. Don't be shit.
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I only come on H&V to have a grumble on the politics thread, I didn’t expect this. No messing around by us!
You're a great music champion :D
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For those who care, which is nobody, Villa have a 4.5/5 rated squad on FIFA 22, the same as Arsenal.
I can't wait to play with Villa when Booby Kam and Diego are added 8)
We really do need to qualify for Europe next season BTW.
Anyone play Football Manager? We need a screenshot of his attributes!
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Welcome to the wonderful Aston Villa, Diego!
Be brilliant!
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I only come on H&V to have a grumble on the politics thread, I didn’t expect this. No messing around by us!
You're a great music champion :D
The music and political threads are like my light and dark.
The Villa, well you just never know what it will bring!
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For those who care, which is nobody, Villa have a 4.5/5 rated squad on FIFA 22, the same as Arsenal.
Starting CB at the start of FUT next season...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTslzCpWIAApa1p?format=jpg)
Which I appreciate even fewer people will care about.
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a big big weak area for me is central defence, not the actual defending so much as the working the ball out and distribution
So the fact he’s South American suggests he has a good chance of being comfortable with the ball
At the start of the season Kane and Carlos Will both be 29 and Kane is supposably worth £150 millions
Anyway this is turning into a cracking window let’s face it it’s going to be the best one yet isn’t it
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For those who care, which is nobody, Villa have a 4.5/5 rated squad on FIFA 22, the same as Arsenal.
Starting CB at the start of FUT next season...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTslzCpWIAApa1p?format=jpg)
Which I appreciate even fewer people will care about.
83 rating? Great signing.
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i like this idea of getting the players in early and not fucking about with tentative offers late in the day.
Good stuff.
Now a centre forward please.
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This is fantastic. I can't recall us ever having the majority of our incomings (presumably) completed before the cl final has even taken place
How do we tie up this deal pre window as he’s still in contract ?
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This is fantastic. I can't recall us ever having the majority of our incomings (presumably) completed before the cl final has even taken place
How do we tie up this deal pre window as he’s still in contract ?
You can negotiate. Just can't finalise the deal until the window opens.
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Wiki page already updated 😀😀
I’m not convinced by this signing “Height 1.46 m (4 ft 9 in) “
Judging by the pic on the beeb website I think that might be his thigh measurement. He Looks a right big unit
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Blimey. Blink and you miss a signing…
What is the voodoo?
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Does he play like a cross between Diego Simeone and Roberto Carlos ?
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No, a cross between Diego Maradona and Ilich Ramirez Sanchez.
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This is fantastic. I can't recall us ever having the majority of our incomings (presumably) completed before the cl final has even taken place
How do we tie up this deal pre window as he’s still in contract ?
You can negotiate. Just can't finalise the deal until the window opens.
I wonder if many of our lot have been in talks with clubs/been tapped-up too.
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Kamara would have been free to negotiate a contract in the last six months as he was going to be out of contract - Bosman ay it.
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i like this idea of getting the players in early and not fucking about with tentative offers late in the day.
Good stuff.
Now a centre forward please.
Definitely. If they can bring in a 20+ goals season striker I will seriously start to believe we're getting somewhere. Watkins and Ings scored 18 between them which is clearly not good enough.
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Buendia
Coutinho
Luiz
Carlos
Check out our South American contingent!
Martinez?
Get Wesley back and we can open a South American steakhouse behind the North Stand.
With big Wes behind the grill hopefully
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Can he defend a 2 goal lead?
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Can he defend a 2 goal lead?
no Villa team can. That's an official PL rule also I believe.
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Can he defend a 2 goal lead?
no Villa team can. That's an official PL rule also I believe.
Set in stone like that second amendment thing
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It's why we will from next season on quickly race into 3 goal leads.
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Can he defend a 2 goal lead?
Sevilla only let in 30 goals over a 38 game season this year for a 0.79 GAA.. I would like to think he played a big part in that.
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Judging by the picture of him on the beeb, he’s a fucking giant with thighs to give the other Carlos a fright.
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Still subject to personal terms. Handchopping Beheading Homophobe Misogynist United could hijack it yet. Born in Birmingham.
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Anyway this is turning into a cracking window let’s face it it’s going to be the best one yet isn’t it
And it is hasn't even opened yet.
Judging by the pic on the beeb website I think that might be his thigh measurement. He Looks a right big unit
I thought that too, doubt many forwards will relish running into him at full pelt.
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Great news! Another Brazilian Villain!
You can never have too many of them. ;)
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Born in Birmingham.
Really?
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This guy is the real deal - wow - only niggle is someone on the way out but wow
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Diego Carlos is an excellent signing.
Here's a good article about what we can expect from him. (https://www.football-espana.net/2020/06/24/the-starring-role-of-sevilla-defender-diego-carlos)
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Born in Birmingham.
Really?
Er, no.
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Born in Birmingham.
Really?
Er, no.
Well, you never know. Any idea why he said it?
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Born in Birmingham.
Really?
Er, no.
Well, you never know. Any idea why he said it?
I thought he meant that he (the poster) was worried about the move being hijacked, and that trait of being convinced everything is going to wrong is a trait of people born in Birmingham.
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I think he was saying he was born in Birmingham, and is cursed by Brummie pessimism. Hence his suggestion that it isn't done yet and the Wahhabi Geordies could still sign the player from under our noses.
Edit: as Risso said.
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Still subject to personal terms. Handchopping Beheading Homophobe Misogynist United could hijack it yet. Born in Birmingham.
Not being hijacked. Any chance of that and the club wouldn't have announced it. Sevilla announced it too.
You can relax.
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We signed Collymore on 13 May 1997. We then went a good many years being a bit sluggish to say the least!
Looks like we really mean business. Great to see.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
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The Bellamy thing I'd completely forgotten.
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Must be a centre half on the way out, can only think it might be Mings. If we get anywhere close to £35-40m for him though it will be a good deal for us.
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Mings influence is deep though - that would be a big loss - although if you’re beaten by the big boys that’s a good replacement
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Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
Just watched a video of his 'best' highlights and he looks naturally right footed to me. So I think the answer to your question is no.
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I think he’s been bought to partner Mings.
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Great news! Another Brazilian Villain!
What about Tarkowski? Is that deal still on?
I hope Tarkowski's nowhere near VP except playing for the opposition. Having played for a team of thugs, I don't see where he fits into Gerrard's style of play
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I think we’re sig.ning our new captain.
Unless he speaks English, I'd be surprised. He needs to be able to ditch out instructions on the pitch.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I have no recollection of us announcing that, at all. He's the sort of massive arsehole we could probably have done with over the years. We've tended to be far too nice.
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I think we’re sig.ning our new captain.
Unless he speaks English, I'd be surprised. He needs to be able to ditch out instructions on the pitch.
He's going to be useful in the trenches
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I think we’re sig.ning our new captain.
Unless he speaks English, I'd be surprised. He needs to be able to ditch out instructions on the pitch.
He's going to be useful in the trenches
He's gonna build one to make sure the opposition don't score or put opposition players in there instead of in his pocket.
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Do we know if he plays on the left or the right? - is this the exit door for Mings?
Just watched a video of his 'best' highlights and he looks naturally right footed to me. So I think the answer to your question is no.
The Athletic have a piece on him today saying that he is a right-footer but plays on the left side.
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Still subject to personal terms. Handchopping Beheading Homophobe Misogynist United could hijack it yet. Born in Birmingham.
Not being hijacked. Any chance of that and the club wouldn't have announced it. Sevilla announced it too.
You can relax.
Never rule out the Saudis when it comes to hijacking anything.
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The clip I've watched shows he's got a great eye for a pass, which is encouraging
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Born in Birmingham.
Really?
Er, no.
Well, you never know. Any idea why he said it?
I thought he meant that he (the poster) was worried about the move being hijacked, and that trait of being convinced everything is going to wrong is a trait of people born in Birmingham.
Gotcha. Good point.
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I think he was saying he was born in Birmingham, and is cursed by Brummie pessimism. Hence his suggestion that it isn't done yet and the Wahhabi Geordies could still sign the player from under our noses.
Edit: as Risso said.
Makes sense, ta. I got a bit over-excited, like I do about Steflon Don being born here.
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Element of truth to this. :) https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1529859115966775297
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Element of truth to this. :) https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1529859115966775297
Like it:
“This man is very dangerous. His name is Johan Lange and he is possibly trying to sign a spectacular player from your team. It is very likely that there is nothing you can do to prevent it, so it is best not to offer resistance. We will keep reporting 🗞️.”
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Hold on,I’m getting confused now
I though we didn’t like Lange anymore. We did, then we didn’t, are we back on the do now?
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Hold on,I’m getting confused now
I though we didn’t like Lange anymore. We did, then we didn’t, are we back on the do now?
I think that Lange has done a good job since being in post.
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https://twitter.com/MundoMaldini/status/1529856702518001667
Julio Maldonado@MundoMaldiniKamara y Diego Carlos en tres días. El Aston Villa, actual nivel medio de la Premier. Lo de la Premier es un auténtico abuso.
Translated from Spanish by Kamara and Diego Carlos in three days. Aston Villa, current middle level of the Premier. The Premier is a real abuse.
;D
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Diego Carlos is an excellent signing.
Here's a good article about what we can expect from him. (https://www.football-espana.net/2020/06/24/the-starring-role-of-sevilla-defender-diego-carlos)
"Carlos launched a perfectly-struck long pass over the top to find Munir El Haddadi, who squared for Luuk de Jong to score. Carlos was also at fault for the equaliser, however, scoring an own goal that saw the game finish 1–1."
Clearly a like-for-like replacement for Mings.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
Only Ellis could make a statement with the words "cash offer" in it
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Well the Sevilla fans seem gutted about this so thats a good sign. (Lots of scrolling required)
https://forum.monchismen.com/t/summer-2022-transfers-conversation/1383/346
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd forgotten about that, I was in Barcelona at the time and got a text message from a Geordie work colleague, had to go and find an 'internet cafe' to check it out
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Hold on,I’m getting confused now
I though we didn’t like Lange anymore. We did, then we didn’t, are we back on the do now?
The rules are simple - we like him until we lose a game and then it’s because he signed the wrong players. See also Gerrard, S
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Still subject to personal terms. Handchopping Beheading Homophobe Misogynist United could hijack it yet. Born in Birmingham.
Not being hijacked. Any chance of that and the club wouldn't have announced it. Sevilla announced it too.
You can relax.
I never relax. When we were 3 - 1 up at Anfield, they were down to ten men because our current manager had tried to break the leg of our current under 23 coach, seven minutes of injury time announced, I turned to my sister and said (in all seriousness) 'we can get a draw out of this.' The woman in front of me turned and looked utterly bemused.
Speaking of Boating, how was a stringy, weedy looking fellow so absolutely hard as nails yet Bailey, with the build of a hulk in comparison gets injured in a moderate headwind.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
Yes, I've always had time for this misunderstood character since that.
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I don't remember the Bellamy thing at all. Who was our manager, O'Dreary? And why did Bellamy pull-out?
Re Diego Carlos...anyone who has seen him play, is he better with the ball at his feet than Mings? I still don't know whether Konsa is or not, as he shirks responsibility and plays a square ball to Mings eight times out of ten.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
Apart from Norwich and Coventry.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
Apart from Norwich and Coventry.
And Newcastle. And West Ham.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
Apart from Norwich and Coventry.
And Newcastle. And West Ham.
Sorry Im not having this, why are Blackburn exempt from this? And Cardiff!
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
Apart from Norwich and Coventry.
And Newcastle. And West Ham.
Sorry Im not having this, why are Blackburn exempt from this? And Cardiff!
I almost added them but as they're his hometown club I gave him a pass.
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That's what made the comment so great, he'd played for loads of shite clubs yet the rags were beneath that, and this was in their 'golden era' under Bruce.
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He was always a gobby little fucker. What was that celebration about in the Champions League when he swung an imaginary golf club after scoring a goal? At least clean-cut James Ward Prowse does it deservedly after another worldie free-kick.
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He was always a gobby little fucker. What was that celebration about in the Champions League when he swung an imaginary golf club after scoring a goal? At least clean-cut James Ward Prowse does it deservedly after another worldie free-kick.
He'd had one of his meltdowns at Liverpool, (John Arne Riise) and I think? threatened him with a golf club.
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Sounds familiar!
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He looks huge, quick, strong, good in the air and can pass. He's played for a really good club in Spain and dome well in Europe. Part of a mean defence too. He looks a big upgrade to me, based on the limited information I have.
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He will be an upgrade for sure but I hope it doesn't mean the end of Mings who adds more than just his position. That said, a brute like Carlos will add a bit more of something too. I think we might see a few more penalties against us looking at some of the clips I've seen on you tube.
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Still subject to personal terms. Handchopping Beheading Homophobe Misogynist United could hijack it yet. Born in Birmingham.
Not being hijacked. Any chance of that and the club wouldn't have announced it. Sevilla announced it too.
You can relax.
I never relax. When we were 3 - 1 up at Anfield, they were down to ten men because our current manager had tried to break the leg of our current under 23 coach, seven minutes of injury time announced, I turned to my sister and said (in all seriousness) 'we can get a draw out of this.' The woman in front of me turned and looked utterly bemused.
We were 5-1 up against Liverpool and then Salah scored, and I remember thinking similarly. Finally relaxed when the 7th went in.
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He will be an upgrade for sure but I hope it doesn't mean the end of Mings who adds more than just his position. That said, a brute like Carlos will add a bit more of something too. I think we might see a few more penalties against us looking at some of the clips I've seen on you tube.
Exactly my thought, he wouldn’t get away with some of those challenges in this country. Do like the look of him though.
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Especially with our refereeing!
On a lot of those clips, the referee has given him the benefit of doubt.
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Is La Liga famed for its leniency?
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Especially with our refereeing!
On a lot of those clips, the referee has given him the benefit of doubt.
I thought the same when I watched the Kamara video - a lot of the challenges from behind would be a free kick in the PL.
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Is La Liga famed for its leniency?
I don't know, but having watched quite a few European games this season it seems continental refs now let the game flow far more than the refs over here, and are a lot less card happy. It's basically gone completely opposite to how it was when I was a youngster.
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For games following South American internationals, we'll need the squad to be good enough to cover for some of our first-pick players.
Statement of the bleedin' obvious, I suppose.
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I can remember in about 1988 Doug said villa are about to make a big signing that will shock the football world. I think it's safe to say that never happened.
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I can remember in about 1988 Doug said villa are about to make a big signing that will shock the football world. I think it's safe to say that never happened.
1991. it was going to be Trevor Steven.
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Our referees seemed to be doing the same when the season kicked off. They allowed more tackles and barges and it was good. As it went on though they were less lenient and VAR steadily got worse.
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I can remember in about 1988 Doug said villa are about to make a big signing that will shock the football world. I think it's safe to say that never happened.
They were trying to sign Linekar I think, which in fairness had it come off would've done just that. It only fell down because Doug refused to subsidise the player's request for Paella in the staff canteen.
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Who was it we announced on the OS as a signing in the late Doug Ellis years, only for the transfer to then not happen?
David Unsworth?
That did actually happen, just not for very long!
Just remembered, it was Craig Bellamy from Newcastle.
I'd completely forgotten about that. The main Craig Bellamy thing I remember from that sort of era was when he was linked with the other lot and he was quoted as saying something like "I'm Craig Bellamy and Craig Bellamy doesn't sign for shit football clubs".
Would probably be more convincing if he hadn't signed for Coventry.
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I can remember in about 1988 Doug said villa are about to make a big signing that will shock the football world. I think it's safe to say that never happened.
1991. it was going to be Trevor Steven.
What happened, didn't he fancy playing for Ron?
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I can remember in about 1988 Doug said villa are about to make a big signing that will shock the football world. I think it's safe to say that never happened.
Was it just before season tickets went on sale by any chance?
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I can remember in about 1988 Doug said villa are about to make a big signing that will shock the football world. I think it's safe to say that never happened.
I don’t know. I watched Stuart Gray on many occasions and was usually shocked.
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I must admit he does look really decent with the ball and a real hard defender. I thought that’s what we was getting with Ron Vlaar and then again with Tommy Elphick. Although they were great characters they barely featured and didn’t seem any where near as tough as I hoped.
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I would also like Mings to stay. Would a back 3 work?
Edit: this has been fully discussed on the transfer thread.
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According to Fabrizio Romano, Diego Carlos is in the UK and has completed his medical and is ready to sign the contract. Hopefully this will be announced this afternoon.....
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Who is Fabrizio Romano going to sign for us next?
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The clip I've watched shows he's got a great eye for a pass, which is encouraging
It is but it's tempered by the fact that these are clips of him at his best. If he's an improvement in the the area he's employed then that will be good enough for me to start with, and I'm sure he will be. The passing bit can be done by those in the squad who also have the magical 'eye for a pass' with the hope they can improve massively in the execution.
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I thought Romano was supposed to be full of shit but I haven't seen him get anything wrong yet.
He says this will be announced soon and it's all done.
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I thought Romano was supposed to be full of shit but I haven't seen him get anything wrong yet.
I thought he was the ITK with the best reputation?
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As an aside, it's highly amusing to read online that this and the Kamara deal by "little 14th placed Aston Villa" signals the 'end of days' for La Liga and football teams in general across the continent.
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I thought Romano was supposed to be full of shit but I haven't seen him get anything wrong yet.
I thought he was the ITK with the best reputation?
Seems like that to me as well but I'm sure I've seen people questioning him.
Like I say hasn't got anything wrong yet though.
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I think his whole thing is getting pretty much everything right.
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I thought Romano was supposed to be full of shit but I haven't seen him get anything wrong yet.
He hardly gets anything wrong. He just takes other journalists' work and broadcasts it to a wider audience.
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As an aside, it's highly amusing to read online that this and the Kamara deal by "little 14th placed Aston Villa" signals the 'end of days' for La Liga and football teams in general across the continent.
The problem is that most of the football world don't seem to have cottoned on to the fact that we're owned by 2 guys with a combined wealth of well over £10bn who are both happy to front load on costs to make us a big team. If you remove that context then our signings in the last 6 months look bonkers and lead to those sort of comments but if you saw Newcastle make them all you'd just hear talk of how ambitious the owners are.
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Done
(https://i.ibb.co/k2GSzbm/Screenshot-20220527-161507.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2GSzbm)
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Jeez he looks like a unit.
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The fucking size of him
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Get in. He’s going to be ace.
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I hope he's the double hard nasty bastard we've needed for a few years now.
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The fucking size of him
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsmUKeWAAMXfz1?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Wouldn't fancy knocking his pint over :o
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Well he certainly looks like what a central defender should look like
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The fucking size of him
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsmUKeWAAMXfz1?format=jpg&name=medium)
That's a very realistic tattoo of a football on his right arm.
A beast. Love it.
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He looks like someone who ran out of fucks to give a long time ago.
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Time to remove the (subject to medical) from the thread title if you please.
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Time to remove the (subject to medical) from the thread title if you please.
change to subject to signing
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Time to remove the (subject to medical) from the thread title if you please.
Done. 🙂
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he looks younger than 29
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I've spent most of my (oh god how many now) years on this forum defending small and skillful over hulking Massive Lads who try to trap a football like someone had thrown them a moon.
And I stand by that. However, this lad...he's definitely a Big Lad isn't he? And he can pass a bit too. Good stuff.
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About time this was announced as 'official' on the AVFC Website!
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The fucking size of him
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsmUKeWAAMXfz1?format=jpg&name=medium)
That's a very realistic tattoo of a football on his right arm.
Could cause problems if Kevin Friend spots it in our penalty area.
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Done
(https://i.ibb.co/k2GSzbm/Screenshot-20220527-161507.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2GSzbm)
Just my luck for this to be fucking photoshopped.
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I am not enamoured by Brazilian defenders unless it's Roberto Carlos. So I am going to pretend that Diego is a marauding central back who's going to rip wide holes in opposition central barricades next season.
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Well he certainly looks like what a central defender should look like
George Curtis's long lost grandson.
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Thiago Silva isn’t bad…
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The couple of Cafus we've had weren't bad either.
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He looks like someone who ran out of fucks to give a long time ago.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELbkw7kWsAEvwFw.jpg)
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
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The fucking size of him
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsmUKeWAAMXfz1?format=jpg&name=medium)
He looks like someone who ran out of fucks to give a long time ago.
It's not uncommon to see blokes like him in Brasil. They're often Polícia Militar and appear to be made of muscle, generally not people you'd care to mess with.
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
Not sure. Did Steve Sims and Martin Keown ever play in the same team together?
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
Edit * cdbearsfan beat me to it !
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
Not sure. Did Steve Sims and Martin Keown ever play in the same team together?
Mountfield played with Sims. A more striking pair you'll not find
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Still no Official announcement?
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
Not sure. Did Steve Sims and Martin Keown ever play in the same team together?
He said handsome cd, not fugly!!
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Is that screenshot of the interview actually a photoshop or am I failing to detect sarcasm?
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
Not sure. Did Steve Sims and Martin Keown ever play in the same team together?
He said handsome cd, not fugly!!
That was the joke.
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Assuming he plays with Mings, is that up there as the most handsome central defence partnership ever?
Not sure. Did Steve Sims and Martin Keown ever play in the same team together?
Mountfield played with Sims. A more striking pair you'll not find
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Mountfield and Kent Neilsen, 80s prog rock
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Mellberg and Laursen were handsome bastards in their own way. Proper smouldering Scandi-noir before it became BBC4'd and was all the rage amongst luvvies (and those with taste).
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
Worked on Hollyoaks in that period - Gareth Barry could've had his pick of the girls there. Very popular young man at the time.
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I don't anyone should trust Eamonn's judgement of relative hunkiness given his all time man crush is a young Stephen Hendry.
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
Davis?
I’m not into men or anything, but I’d have said he looks like something out of ‘The Hobbit’.
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Yeah not sure how Davis has snuck his way onto that list.
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It also contained Craig Gargoyle and darling of the dentists Carlos Cuellar
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This seems to be dragging on since the medical yesterday and signing a contract?? Hopefully no last minute snags.....
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
You Millennials have a very skewed sense of beauty. I can only appreciate Ash and Juan Pablo in that list, others are complete turds. ;D
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Gareth Barry? He looks like one of the Easter Island heads, with a fat arse. 2/10, would not bang.
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I don't anyone should trust Eamonn's judgement of relative hunkiness given his all time man crush is a young Stephen Hendry.
Can't believe you would betray such a confidence.
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
Davis?
I’m not into men or anything, but I’d have said he looks like something out of ‘The Hobbit’.
Steve Davis plays Chesney in Coronation Street.
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
You Millennials have a very skewed sense of beauty. I can only appreciate Ash and Juan Pablo in that list, others are complete turds. ;D
On that list, I can only get behind Mellberg
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Davis? I’m not into men or anything, but I’d have said he looks like something out of ‘The Hobbit’.
Yeah not sure how Davis has snuck his way onto that list.
2022 and us gingers are still seeing that Celtophobia is rife. :(
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Davis? I’m not into men or anything, but I’d have said he looks like something out of ‘The Hobbit’.
Yeah not sure how Davis has snuck his way onto that list.
2022 and us gingers are still seeing that Celtophobia is rife. :(
I'm a ginger and he looks fuck all like me so screw him, ugly bastard.
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I'd just like to point out that I didn't determine that list, it's just the players that I observed girls fancying. When it comes to man-crushes on footballers, Tyrone is the only one for me.
Edit: I also knew a girl at university who fancied Neil Lennon, so it takes all sorts.
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Always interesting to see the direction some of the threads go in during the off-season. Now a discussion forum, mostly of men, are discussing which Villa player from the early part of century they would have shagged, married or avoided :)
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This seems to be dragging on since the medical yesterday and signing a contract?? Hopefully no last minute snags.....
Probably waiting for Gerrard and Lange to get back from the CL Final for the signing photos.
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Reading the comments, kind of a different vibe to when Joe left..
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I'd just like to point out that I didn't determine that list, it's just the players that I observed girls fancying. When it comes to man-crushes on footballers, Tyrone is the only one for me.
Edit: I also knew a girl at university who fancied Neil Lennon, so it takes all sorts.
I have a 19 year old student here who considers Putin to be her dream man. 'Only physically', she pointed out....
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Reading the comments, kind of a different vibe to when Joe left..
I guess it's because Diego isn't a total c***?
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Looks like he'll be a threat on set-pieces.
I know he plays on the left of defence for Sevilla but if Gerrard's plan is to move him to the right and play him with Mings, that's some commanding physical dominance those two would offer at corner (at both ends).
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I'd just like to point out that I didn't determine that list, it's just the players that I observed girls fancying. When it comes to man-crushes on footballers, Tyrone is the only one for me.
Edit: I also knew a girl at university who fancied Neil Lennon, so it takes all sorts.
I have a 19 year old student here who considers Putin to be her dream man. 'Only physically', she pointed out....
He's had more botox done than the whole of Essex.
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Reading the comments, kind of a different vibe to when Joe left..
I guess it's because Diego isn't a total c***?
Haha! There is that. When their official site puts out a video to thank him and hundreds of comments from fans thanking and wishing him well you know he's a gem.
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
You Millennials have a very skewed sense of beauty. I can only appreciate Ash and Juan Pablo in that list, others are complete turds. ;D
On that list, I can only get behind Mellberg
You are presuming he’s a taker not a giver?
I’ve always found the term Lucky Pierre to be greatly amusing, enhanced by Aidan Moffat of Arab Strap recording under the name. I rather liked the ‘Sometimes I feel like a motherless child’ single.
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I'd just like to point out that I didn't determine that list, it's just the players that I observed girls fancying. When it comes to man-crushes on footballers, Tyrone is the only one for me.
Edit: I also knew a girl at university who fancied Neil Lennon, so it takes all sorts.
I have a 19 year old student here who considers Putin to be her dream man. 'Only physically', she pointed out....
Geez. He has got a sexy waddle though.
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That 2005-2009 era, we were quite a hit with the ladies, from my experience. I was in my late teens at the time, and I knew girls who fancied Barry, Sorenson, Mellberg, Angel, Petrov, Ashley & Luke Young, Luke Moore, Steven Davis. We were a team full of totty.
You Millennials have a very skewed sense of beauty. I can only appreciate Ash and Juan Pablo in that list, others are complete turds. ;D
On that list, I can only get behind Mellberg
You are presuming he’s a taker not a giver?
I’ve always found the term Lucky Pierre to be greatly amusing, enhanced by Aidan Moffat of Arab Strap recording under the name. I rather liked the ‘Sometimes I feel like a motherless child’ single.
Just the 24 years since they supported B&S at the town hall gig.
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I'd just like to point out that I didn't determine that list, it's just the players that I observed girls fancying. When it comes to man-crushes on footballers, Tyrone is the only one for me.
Edit: I also knew a girl at university who fancied Neil Lennon, so it takes all sorts.
I have a 19 year old student here who considers Putin to be her dream man. 'Only physically', she pointed out....
Yikes, imagine wanting to be Putin's putain.
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Has Diego actually signed now? On Thursday the official site said he would undergo a medical before signing a contract. When Kamara signed last week he was pictured in the shirt and did interviews etc., but nothing on Carlos.....?
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Have Villa forgotten to do his shirt stretching photos or is this bloke about to Unsworth us?
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Looking forward to seeing the fella. Tbh his stats don't look sensational and sounds a bit error prone, so it will be interesting to see what he brings over and above Mings / Konsa. But he's clearly highly regarded so hopefully he'll improve us.
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Have Villa forgotten to do his shirt stretching photos or is this bloke about to Unsworth us?
Yep, the whole things gone quiet....
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Have Villa forgotten to do his shirt stretching photos or is this bloke about to Unsworth us?
Yep, the whole things gone quiet....
If I was to guess, I would say that given the 'Thanks for the memories' tweet from the offical account to Kappa, the new kit contract is probably due to start on June 1st. It would probably make sense to have him stretching the new shirt, given how close we are, so the photos are proabbly all done, they are just waiting to be able to release them.
Just putting two and two together, though - for all we know, he could have taken a walk around the city, been outraged by the lack of trams in use and hopped on a plane back to Seville.
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He's probably on holiday. I don't think he can officially sign until the transfer window opens and he has international clearance anyway.
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Same thing happened with Douglas. Everything will be fine.
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He's signed, I think.
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What makes you think that?
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His management company have said so on Instagram and he has liked it. I can't link to it as not on Instagram.
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Someone has Tweeted a screenshot of it here...
https://twitter.com/AVFCTheReligion/status/1531350902585556993?t=Lk1RZjIz9S8COp1PKYmQBg&s=19
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Fingers crossed.
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The window doesn't open til the 10th. How are we doing this? Not that I'm complaining, mind.
Even odder, apparently 1st of July for international transfers.
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Perhaps if all parties agree we can announce it in advance. Maybe he signs a pre-contract or just signs a contract that has "starts on 1st July" written on it?
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You can announce can’t you? The point is they can’t play/train for the club beforehand.
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Unless you're willing to do so while wearing a variety of disguises.
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I hope all is OK? I don't like this delay as Newcastle could still be sniffing around!
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They'll pip us again like they did with Coutinho.
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I hope all is OK? I don't like this delay as Newcastle could still be sniffing around!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeMKRvND71O/
His agents, allegedly.
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The window doesn't open til the 10th. How are we doing this? Not that I'm complaining, mind.
Even odder, apparently 1st of July for international transfers.
You can sign a contract and announce a transfer any time. He can't become a Villa player officially until the window opens.
Everyone relax.
Diego will be announced in due course.
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I hope all is OK? I don't like this delay as Newcastle could still be sniffing around!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeMKRvND71O/
His agents, allegedly.
I see he’s liked that himself and when you see his profile Mings and Coutinho have liked his page.
He’s ours!
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Negociação concluída! Após brilhar no Sevilla, da Espanha, o nosso atleta e da Bertolucci Sports, Diego Carlos, assina com o Aston Villa e será o novo reforço da equipe de Birmingham, que disputa a Premier League
Basically it says, after starring in Spain, Diego Carlos s signing with Aston Villa and will be the newest reinforcement of the team from Birmingham.
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Welcome to Villa Diego. Please be brilliant.
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I hope all is OK? I don't like this delay as Newcastle could still be sniffing around!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeMKRvND71O/
His agents, allegedly.
Good indicators. Pleased to see it.
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Now official official
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1532067093260259329?s=21&t=qJxgSWOU4rfaFvoQmEtAOw
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Well, that will stop Villafirst stressing for a few days.
Welcome, be good.
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Marvellous stuff - welcome DC.
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Hurrah!
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Hurrah!
I know you were shitting yourself. Started a thread and then it wasn’t made official for days. Thinking maybe he’s gone to Fulham or Everton or been abducted by aliens.
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Hurrah!
I know you were shitting yourself. Started a thread and then it wasn’t made official for days. Thinking maybe he’s gone to Fulham or Everton or been abducted by aliens.
I'd already bought a Newcastle shirt with his name on the back. No chance of selling it on as those fuckers are always topless regardless of the weather.
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Knew it would all be sorted.
We are building a top notch team. A top 4 team in fact.
We are getting Europe next season.
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Knew it would all be sorted.
We are building a top notch team. A top 4 team in fact.
We are getting Europe next season.
Lovely. Which 10 teams we catching 😊
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Fantastic signing. The rock at the back that we have needed for quite a while. Brilliant business by the club. The whole recruitment department seems to be running like a well oiled machine these days.
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Welcome Diego! Now onto the next.....
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NEVER HAD ANY DOUBTS :-[
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Nobody left to coach him though, typical Villa. Disgrace!
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Some ****** on FB bleating “Not another fucking foreigner”.
What’s wrong with these filth?
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Some ****** on FB bleating “Not another fucking foreigner”.
What’s wrong with these filth?
The main reason I came off FB a long time ago. It's infested with moronic racist twats and bigots.
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Nobody left to coach him though, typical Villa. Disgrace!
He signed months ago and they've just announced it to boost flagging season ticket sales IMO. Would have been confirmed earlier but he was stuck on the so-called "waiting list".
Disgrace!
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Welcome to Aston Villa Diego.
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As the saying goes, he looks like he's got muscles in places where I don't even have places.
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Tactical Breakdown on Diego Carlos, Aston Villa's newest powerhouse
This video made me very happy
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Tactical Breakdown on Diego Carlos, Aston Villa's newest powerhouse
This video made me very happy
Sounds good!
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Even though satisfied with the level of Carlos quality, I have seen him play numbering times and am surprised in some ways Gerrard has taken him as he's no ball-playing defender.
First and foremost, he's a defender who is aggressive, so on that side, very Gerrard. However,
ability-wise, he's like a hybrid of Mings and Chambers. He has
a mistake in him, has fouls in him, and can concede penalties, not to mention his discipline.
What he does offer is experience, a bit of class (though no Thiago Silva) and doesn't let many opponents get past him due to his sheer physical abilities, determination and good defending.
Like I say, think Chambers and Mings.
What I compare him too is that he's fine like Mings and Hause's ability to head out of his own box. What is exciting and where he is better than any current squad member, including Konsa or Hause, is that he can attack the ball in the opposition box, so he will be a great goal threat and asset. He's more Martin Laursen than Nathan Baker.
It is definitely a strong player we have signed, but he doesn't totally inspire with his wayward passing from deep and sometimes misguided defending.
More pros than cons, though I'd be worried seeing him against anyone with real pace, but I'd back him on most one-on-ones.
Let's go, Diego!
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Oh good, Footy's back with his passive-aggressive cricitisms.
Whoscored has his passing success in La Liga as 88% last season and 90% the season before that, and rates his passing as "strong". He was also part of the third best defence in Europe last season. I'll take that all day long thanks.
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South American expert Tim Vickery has it right
"He is maybe a Terry Butcher in reverse. One of those centre-backs that looks better than he is. Terry Butcher played three World Cups without any mistakes. He was much better than people gave him credit for. – Diego Carlos has those moments where he is the king of the hill, but I worry about the mistakes.”
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Oh good, Footy's back with his passive-aggressive cricitisms.
Whoscored has his passing success in La Liga as 88% last season and 90% the season before that, and rates his passing as "strong". He was also part of the third best defence in Europe last season. I'll take that all day long thanks.
Almost no criticism, just observation and providing forum members with information about our new centre back. his passing from deep to the opponents' half is not amazing. He's no Beckenbauer when it comes to bringing the ball out.
First and foremost, he's a solid defender who's not afraid to attack the ball and bustle any player. Having Mings next to him in certain games won't actually help either player.
Like a strong Ruben Dias, but not as good on the ball. I think he's a solid acquisition. But I stand by my observations.
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Oh good, Footy's back with his passive-aggressive cricitisms.
Whoscored has his passing success in La Liga as 88% last season and 90% the season before that, and rates his passing as "strong". He was also part of the third best defence in Europe last season. I'll take that all day long thanks.
Almost no criticism, just observation and providing forum members with information about our new centre back. his passing from deep to the opponents' half is not amazing. He's no Beckenbauer when it comes to bringing the ball out.
First and foremost, he's a solid defender who's not afraid to attack the ball and bustle any player. Having Mings next to him in certain games won't actually help either player.
Like a strong Ruben Dias, but not as good on the ball. I think he's a solid acquisition. But I stand by my observations.
Almost no criticisms?
You just told us how Tim Vickery has it right when he tells us he's a bit flaky because he makes a lot of mistakes and is seen as better than he actually is.
Make your mind up.
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Oh good, Footy's back with his passive-aggressive cricitisms.
Whoscored has his passing success in La Liga as 88% last season and 90% the season before that, and rates his passing as "strong". He was also part of the third best defence in Europe last season. I'll take that all day long thanks.
Almost no criticism, just observation and providing forum members with information about our new centre back. his passing from deep to the opponents' half is not amazing. He's no Beckenbauer when it comes to bringing the ball out.
First and foremost, he's a solid defender who's not afraid to attack the ball and bustle any player. Having Mings next to him in certain games won't actually help either player.
Like a strong Ruben Dias, but not as good on the ball. I think he's a solid acquisition. But I stand by my observations.
Almost no criticisms?
You just told us how Tim Vickery has it right when he tells us he's a bit flaky because he makes a lot of mistakes and is seen as better than he actually is.
Make your mind up.
Just saying he will give away penalties is saying he will cost us points, many games are won or lost by a single goal.
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Sevilla came 4th and had the best defence in La Liga, and in fact the best defence of the major leagues in Europe after Liverpool and Man City, and he was the mainstay of that defence. He got 7 yellow cards, not bad for a central defender and half that of his defensive partner and well down the list of the worst culprits in Spain. But other than that, yeah, spot on Tim Vickery, great analysis.
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When were those comments made as well? Vickers usually makes those comments on what he sees in South America, which would have been years ago in this case.
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They kept 16 clean sheets in the league last season too.
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A montage on YouTube suggests he is a bit lumbering and will almost certainly collect yellow cards however Seville’s record is excellent so he deserves credit for being an integral part of that team, which suggest the mistakes cannot be that frequent.
I’m not convinced he is an upgrade but he’ll certainly be pushing Mings/Konsa all the way for a first team spot, so all three of them will need to be at the top of their game.
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I think Newcastle have done well to get Botman.
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When were those comments made as well? Vickers usually makes those comments on what he sees in South America, which would have been years ago in this case.
Hey LBs
Hope you're having good summer!
Well Vickers made claim that Aston Villa’s new signing, Diego Carlos, is ‘Terry Butcher in reverse Sky Sports News (19/06/22)
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Did his partner at the back who Chelsea are keen on, make Carlos look good? As long as he doesn't pass like Cuellar, I'll be happy.
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We finished 14th in the PL last season and did nothing in the cups. Not sure we should be turning our nose up at a player that has played 40 odd games for Sevilla each of the last 3 seasons, finishing 4th each year, only behind 3 teams that usually get to the latter stages of the CL. They also won the Europa League with him in the team and got to the Copa Del Ray semis. He's clearly a good player, the only question is the same one you'd have for any purchase from overseas as to whether he can adapt to the PL.We'll find out over time, but surely we've got to be enthusiastic about this one?
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He really does seem to have gone from great signing to donkey without kicking a ball.
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He really does seem to have gone from great signing to donkey without kicking a ball.
Thats impressive even by our-standard.
We normally at least give them pre-season before we write them off.
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He really does seem to have gone from great signing to donkey without kicking a ball.
Thats impressive even by our-standard.
We normally at least give them pre-season before we write them off.
I just hope we can sell him , he is awful :D
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He's like a Brazilian Liam Ridgewell.
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Carlos Cuellar!
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Some absolute nonsense going in here.
Sevilla lets up 30 goals in a 38 game domestic season, wins a Europa League and qualifies for Champions League. We go on to pip their CB who has played 40+ matches every season going back 6 years.. and we're looking at it as if we've been conned?! Their fans were fuming that he left.
Take a break lads.
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Well, the nonsense is coming from one person, to be fair.
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He really does seem to have gone from great signing to donkey without kicking a ball.
Thats impressive even by our-standard.
We normally at least give them pre-season before we write them off.
I just hope we can sell him , he is awful :D
Diego Carlos? More like Diego Charlie! >:(
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He really does seem to have gone from great signing to donkey without kicking a ball.
Thats impressive even by our-standard.
We normally at least give them pre-season before we write them off.
I just hope we can sell him , he is awful :D
Diego Carlos? More like Diego Charlie! >:(
If thats not bad enough, I've heard hes a secret bluenose
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Well, the nonsense is coming from one person, to be fair.
I think he might have taken one or two of the piss taking comments as genuine.
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He's shit. Can't even defend against Walsa...
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Diego Carlos has been signed to bring competition to the centre back positions, and Gerrard felt we needed to strengthen that area of central defence.
It's really going to challenge the existing centre backs into places and, like SG, I'm looking forward to the competition for places.
Gerrard has said, "Let's just say it was a strong first training session."
If I can suggest that Diego was very aggressive and competitive, perhaps throwing in a few reducers to announce his arrival, we wouldn't be surprised. Go Diego!
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Just what we need if he ends up injuring other squad members.
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*sharpens a pitchfork*
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If I can suggest that Diego was very aggressive and competitive, perhaps throwing in a few reducers to announce his arrival, we wouldn't be surprised. Go Diego!
A foolish and unnecessary gesture, if he did. His record speaks for itself.
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Reducers are pivotal for where we want to go.
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Diego Carlos is also a vice captain, which didn't come out with the original announcement.
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I’ve been made Vice Vice Captain.
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Diego Carlos is also a vice captain, which didn't come out with the original announcement.
I reckon he'll be like Chief Whip then, having quiet words and reminders to toe the line, rather than getting pissed and groping people.
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Diego Carlos is also a vice captain, which didn't come out with the original announcement.
I reckon he'll be like Cheif Whip then, having quiet words and reminders to toe the line, rather than getting pissed and groping people.
Either way people won't argue with him.
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You'd think the Vice Captain thing also makes him a first choice... And he's ahead of Mings in the pecking order..
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Subject to obviously how he gets on in the first few games, I'd say he's number one choice, with the other starting berth more up for grab than it's ever been.
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Yep, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I guess given pre season so far that we're sticking with a 4 at least. I wonder whether Carlos will be left or right sided. I'd hope it will be a settled pair and not lots of swapping about. It's just nice to have plenty of choice for once.
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Yep, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I guess given pre season so far that we're sticking with a 4 at least. I wonder whether Carlos will be left or right sided. I'd hope it will be a settled pair and not lots of swapping about. It's just nice to have plenty of choice for once.
I think he’s right footed but played on the left, so could easily switch to the right.
I think with him you certainly have the option of a back 3 (Chambers/Konsa, Carlos, Mings) for certain games. Not that I’d want it permanently.
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You'd think the Vice Captain thing also makes him a first choice... And he's ahead of Mings in the pecking order..
To be honest, we could easily have 4 players with some degree of captainancy - plus an ex captain
Hell of an achievement for a team that normally looks like its laking leaders
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Looks the part, doesn't he?
Although let's face it, his name makes him sounds cooler than he probably is really.
James Charles doesn't have quite the same ring to it, somehow.
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I think he is going to be a cult hero. Proper big tough fucker, playrs were bouncing off him yesterday, who clearly can also play. I feel sorry for Mings but this is progress
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Looks the part, doesn't he?
Although let's face it, his name makes him sounds cooler than he probably is really.
James Charles doesn't have quite the same ring to it, somehow.
He looks pretty cool to me. And even if he's not I wouldn't be telling him to his face.
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He’s got that look about him that just gives everyone confidence. Both Carlos and Kamara ooze a next level quality about them. A pond we need to be fishing in for all of our future signings. I don’t mind at this point back ups being a slight step down but if we are to push on we need to sign the likes of these two. And Diego has that smile that hides that he will also batter you for crossing him the wrong way.
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He's had a good pre-season and I think will turn out to be a popular signing.
I've got a feeling Kamara may take a bit longer to get up to the speed of the PL.
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He's had a good pre-season and I think will turn out to be a popular signing.
I've got a feeling Kamara may take a bit longer to get up to the speed of the PL.
I think he'll be fine. He was a bit quiet against Rennes but even at this early stage it's clear he's much better than Luiz or McGinn.
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He's had a good pre-season and I think will turn out to be a popular signing.
I've got a feeling Kamara may take a bit longer to get up to the speed of the PL.
I think he'll be fine. He was a bit quiet against Rennes but even at this early stage it's clear he's much better than Luiz or McGinn.
I agree he looks quality and a good signing, I just think we made need a little bit of patience. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some mistakes and loose balls in his first few games.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there's some mistakes and loose balls in his first few games.
Yes but this isn't a thread for McGinn and Watkins, what about Kamara? ;)
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Reminds me of the Bull at the Commonwealth games. The Bull would be a good nickname actually.
One area of concern I have over the "improved defense" is that we are going to miss Mings's head at set pieces. He gets a lot of headed clearances from corners and crosses, almost as if it's just him doing it.
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For as good as his defending headers are / were - his attacking headers at set pieces is actually woeful. He should be getting 3-5 goals per season yet he never looks like scoring one.
Diego on the other hand...........
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Reminds me of the Bull at the Commonwealth games. The Bull would be a good nickname actually.
One area of concern I have over the "improved defense" is that we are going to miss Mings's head at set pieces. He gets a lot of headed clearances from corners and crosses, almost as if it's just him doing it.
Did I miss something, Mings is more likely to start than not on Saturday I reckon.
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Reminds me of the Bull at the Commonwealth games. The Bull would be a good nickname actually.
One area of concern I have over the "improved defense" is that we are going to miss Mings's head at set pieces. He gets a lot of headed clearances from corners and crosses, almost as if it's just him doing it.
Did I miss something, Mings is more likely to start than not on Saturday I reckon.
Yup. I'm expecting Cash - DC - Mings - Digne until something comes up that means it shouldn't be.
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Even if Mings doesn't start the season in the team, I think he would respond to the challenge, improve his form and get back into the team again and make himself and Diego Carlos the first choice centre back pairing.
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Reminds me of the Bull at the Commonwealth games. The Bull would be a good nickname actually.
One area of concern I have over the "improved defense" is that we are going to miss Mings's head at set pieces. He gets a lot of headed clearances from corners and crosses, almost as if it's just him doing it.
Did I miss something, Mings is more likely to start than not on Saturday I reckon.
I'm only basing it on the theory (on here at least) that the starting team V Reinnes would be as near as damn it the 11 who start. Maybe he is in and it's Gerrard mind games to keep Bournmouth guessing. I'd be happy if he is.
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At the end of last year SG went to great lengths to suggest that our inability to hold leads and to mentally switch off in games lost us more points than missed chances (something we should all agree on)
We can argue that TM is a great ambassador etc and is a fans favourite. We can also say that he was not protected as much as he and the other defenders should of been by having a gaping CDM player missing.
But he was the biggest culprit of "switching off". I think the change in Captaincy tells everything.
I would be surprised if he starts on Saturday
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Well it's nice to be in the position whereby the central pairing doesn't pick itself, and there's genuine doubt as to who might start. That's what progress looks like.
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At the end of last year SG went to great lengths to suggest that our inability to hold leads and to mentally switch off in games lost us more points than missed chances (something we should all agree on)
We can argue that TM is a great ambassador etc and is a fans favourite. We can also say that he was not protected as much as he and the other defenders should of been by having a gaping CDM player missing.
But he was the biggest culprit of "switching off". I think the change in Captaincy tells everything.
I would be surprised if he starts on Saturday
I disagree, until his injury Konsa was the biggest liability in our defence.
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At the end of last year SG went to great lengths to suggest that our inability to hold leads and to mentally switch off in games lost us more points than missed chances (something we should all agree on)
We can argue that TM is a great ambassador etc and is a fans favourite. We can also say that he was not protected as much as he and the other defenders should of been by having a gaping CDM player missing.
But he was the biggest culprit of "switching off". I think the change in Captaincy tells everything.
I would be surprised if he starts on Saturday
Yet the biggest culprit for not being switched on at all, and letting games bypass him, is the new captain. SG has created a rod for his own back here.
Looking forward to seeing Carlos playing. I think it would be a surprise at this stage to see Mings start next to him.
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On Saturday Carlos showed good positioning and calmness at the back. He appears to love defending and he was organising others at times.
He’s definitely a leader and now we have competition for who plays alongside him. First time I’ve seen him play and was impressed.
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Carlos may well turn out to be a great acquisition (and Kamara also) but as we all know settling into the pl can take up to 6+ months. I think having a leader like Mings in the team would help these two players settle in quicker.
It seems naive to expect Carlos to marshall the back line alongside a player in Konsa whose own form had dropped away under our manager before his bad injury, with yesterday being only his first game back.
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He has to get up to speed too - giving the ball away so much isn't good, but he'll adapt in time. From Konsa's point of view, when did he last start a run of games for us?
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At the end of last year SG went to great lengths to suggest that our inability to hold leads and to mentally switch off in games lost us more points than missed chances (something we should all agree on)
We can argue that TM is a great ambassador etc and is a fans favourite. We can also say that he was not protected as much as he and the other defenders should of been by having a gaping CDM player missing.
But he was the biggest culprit of "switching off". I think the change in Captaincy tells everything.
I would be surprised if he starts on Saturday
I disagree, until his injury Konsa was the biggest liability in our defence.
yep, and why I thought he bought Chambers
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To the 70s disco funk beat of 'Carwash '
Clap along and sing it:
Diego Carlos
Defending like Diego Carlos, yeah!
Come on and sing it with me
Carlos
Sing it with the feelin' y'all
Carlos, yeah
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More 'Car Crash' than 'Car Wash'. You're singing on your own, Footie.
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Injury sounds a bit worrying.
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FFS
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Sounds like he could be out a while. FOR FUCKS SAKE
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Hopefully it's not as bad as first thought, but Chambers is an able deputy. Just don't bring Konsa in.
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A big blow. Echoes of Lauren with this chap.
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Bloody hell what’s the suspected injury then?
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Gerrard said ankle/Achilles area. Let’s hope it’s the former.
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I don’t remember how it happened but looked like cramp at first. I know Cash was down at the time and we were about to do a double sub, then Carlos went down too. Was it from a challenge or just pulled something?
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He seemed to land awkwardly after going up for a header
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Fingers crossed its not too bad. Looks already very comfortable and settled.
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Worst case it's a snapped achilles, which would end his season.
Best case it's a few weeks. But it doesn't sound good.
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Most Villa thing ever would be to sign a player that rarely misses many matches and have him sustain a major injury after 2 games.
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I hope he's okay and back soon. I've been so rapt with the CG that this was my first time of seeing him play, and I was very impressed. A defender that can do their job very well by seemingly doing next to nothing is the sort of thing that floats my boat.
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Thought he played well and hope he is ok
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A big blow. Echoes of Lauren with this chap.
Laverne? Far paler.
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From what Gerrard has said it sounds like a bad one, especially as he expects the outcome of the scan to dictate who we may sign before the window closes. Hopefully it’s not as expected
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Hopefully Vinnie can bring us some good news.
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To the 70s disco funk beat of 'Carwash '
Clap along and sing it:
Diego Carlos
Defending like Diego Carlos, yeah!
Come on and sing it with me
Carlos
Sing it with the feelin' y'all
Carlos, yeah
Listen and you will bear Villa fan
you don't have to pay
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A big blow. Echoes of Lauren with this chap.
Laverne? Far paler.
Ha!
I do hope he's ok though.
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I thought he was only ok; he had pros and cons against Everton yesterday because he was unable to prevent Onana from crossing the ball, which led to Everton's goal. He was basically turned one way and then the other.
There was also a VAR check, which did not result in a penalty and he's a defender who appears to favour players holding on to their shirts a little too much.
On the plus side, he remains a major threat in attacking set plays and should have hit the target after about 3 minutes instead of attempting to head over when he could have scored another time.
But when it comes to attacking set plays, he's our most threatening centerback of the four and that's an upgrade for sure.
DC distribution from long sometimes resulted in passes straight down the pitch to Pickford as we saw DC on occasions saw just kick it without finding a team mate, which he also did versus Bournemouth with these long straight pass left wondering who was that too. Overall, he's settling in and providing some solidarity and ability to play well generally in possession and gives us options as player who can play either right or left side in the centre.
I'm not sure what this injury situation is or if being at fault
for conceding the goal when he was outplayed by Onana contributed to it.
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... Overall, he's settling in and providing some solidarity and ability to play well generally in possession and gives us options as player who can play either right or left side in the centre...
And, buried in your comment, is the key point - he's new to the league and already looks assured.
Let's hope he's not out for too long.
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... Overall, he's settling in and providing some solidarity and ability to play well generally in possession and gives us options as player who can play either right or left side in the centre...
And, buried in your comment, is the key point - he's new to the league and already looks assured.
Let's hope he's not out for too long.
Yes I was looking forward to seeing how he would cope with Wilf next week.
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Is there any news on the big fella
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Is there any news on the big fella
Martinez posted a picture with him laid out on a sofa. “Recuperate pronto emigo “. So no update really. He was smiling and drinking what looked like a beer.
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I am sure he will go on to be as good as Ken McNaught but just like Ken, in his early days, I thought he was very ropey yesterday and against better team and better set of forward players he would have been in serious trouble. I guess it will take him a little while to settle down.
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I am sure he will go on to be as good as Ken McNaught but just like Ken, in his early days, I thought he was very ropey yesterday and against better team and better set of forward players he would have been in serious trouble. I guess it will take him a little while to settle down.
This is probably the most apt comment on his start so far. He looks a bit star struck.
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Googling Ken McNaught
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Hopefully Vinnie can bring us some good news.
Sounds serious. MRI scan pending
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Just our bloody luck.
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Typical, at least we're still fairly well stocked in that area and still have time to bring someone in if needed.
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Bring in a loan player for that.
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Bring in a loan player for that.
Rescue Varane from Man U.
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Googling Ken McNaught
Put it this way, my Dad was at the game where he made his debut for Villa and 45 years on still remembers just how bad he was.
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Hopefully Vinnie can bring us some good news.
Sounds serious. MRI scan pending
Jeez reminds me of Okore looking decent in his first 3-4 games then walking off v Newcastle and that was his season ended and he wasn't very mobile at all when he came back.
Was hoping it would be like Konsa end of last season, people thought he'd be out for rest of the year but he was back for pre season.
Yet another new signing we make that pretty much gets injured straight away, very very frustrating.
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Googling Ken McNaught
Put it this way, my Dad was at the game where he made his debut for Villa and 45 years on still remembers just how bad he was.
I remember Ugo's debut. Absolute horror show. He turned out OK though.
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He was being treated yesterday, got up, screamed in pain then fell back down again.
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He was being treated yesterday, got up, screamed in pain then fell back down again.
I could see when the play was still going that he was in pain and wasn't moving the injured leg.
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Bring in a loan player for that.
why? - we have Chambers, Konsa and Kamara ...
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Not to mention Feeney.
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Bring in a loan player for that.
why? - we have Chambers, Konsa and Kamara ...
After waiting literally years to have someone play the Kamara role, it would be nuts to then move him straight out of it.
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Hause is still another back-up option. I get the feeling SG will want an upgrade option should Carlos be ruled out for any length of time. Hopefully we get better news tomorrow on this injury.......
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Talk on Twitter (I know) he's out for the rest of the season.
If true surely we need to bring someone else in. Even if it's only on loan.
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Even if he is out for a long time, do we REALLY need to buy a replacement?
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I doubt we are going to get someone much better than Konsa/Chambers on loan, so would be a waste of time. If we want to bring in a loan player to give us extra cover we might as well just keep Hause.
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Well, if we don't bring anyone else in, we go into this season with the same team as last year plus a free transfer. I do think we need to strengthen.
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Even if he is out for a long time, do we REALLY need to buy a replacement?
Nope, four we have are more than capable though I can understand if Hause wants to move on.
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Fingers crossed but if he is out for the season we need to buy. If we don’t then we’ll end up no higher than last season. Let’s hope the rumours aren’t true and we don’t have to bother.
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If it’s true that’s terrible for him and us.
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The centre of our defence was awful the back end of last season.
If Carlos is out for a long time there's no way we're getting anywhere near the top 10 with the other central defenders we have.
Another central defender needs to come in sharpish.
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This would be an absolute tragedy. For the player first and foremost who started to look really comfortable and assured. And next to Tyrone we were all hopefully that would be a formidable partnership long term. But fuck me, can we not have any luck with injuries. Just one season where we have a full compliment of our best players? Really hope what is being reported is absolute worst case and not what ultimately transpires.
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Even if he is out for a long time, do we REALLY need to buy a replacement?
Yes. Ming’s needs competition (genuine competition) otherwise we are no stronger than last season. We can’t expect to improve significantly with just the addition of Kamara. Gerrard saw it as a priority and I would agree
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I thought he played quite well yesterday and I really hope it’s not a bad one. If it is then Chambers and Mings for me is decent with Konsa and keep Kortney.
I’d still rather strengthen up front.
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As the club are now posting, you’ll come back stronger Facebook/insta posts. It’s going to be bad news isn’t it…FFS
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Typical
Think we're cursed
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Achilles?
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Achilles?
Looks it.
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His Wiki. What sad sack takes the time to edit in such shite.
On 6 August, he made his debut for the club in the Premier league in 2-0 away loss against Bournemouth. [22] Confirmed being out for the rest of his first season after only 2 unflattering appearances has left Villa fans asking questions whether he is out of depth in the Premier League. He has come under scrutiny of his lacklustre performances, and being caught out of position on defensive set pieces, with rumours speculating his regret in joining the Birmingham outfit and already planning an exit at the end of the season.
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That is truly pathetic.
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Did we beat some other team to his signature? Look at that direction. I would have said look towards Small Heath but I doubt they would link us to Birmingham.
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After 2 games the only thing it’s fair to say is that he didn’t’ succumb to the Didier Six debut trap.
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That has Newcastle fan written all over it. Weird bunch.
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Didn't Jemaine Jenas do his Achilles after two or three games with us while on loan from Spurs.
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Leeds, IMO.
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Word doing the rounds is a ruptured achilles. 6-9 months recovery time, longer to get to match fitness. And no guarantee that he'll ever get that far.
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Word doing the rounds is a ruptured achilles. 6-9 months recovery time, longer to get to match fitness. And no guarantee that he'll ever get that far.
Personally I'd rather wait for an official announcement from Pravda than believe any speculative social media bullshit.
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I sometimes feel that only we can buy a defender has never played less than 28 league games, and yet is crocked after 2 appearances for us.
And at his age, you wonder if we'll have to add him to Bent, Kozak, Okore, Wesley and numerous others that even when they managed to come back were never the same as they were.
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Word doing the rounds is a ruptured achilles. 6-9 months recovery time, longer to get to match fitness. And no guarantee that he'll ever get that far.
Personally I'd rather wait for an official announcement from Pravda than believe any speculative social media bullshit.
As is your right. But there's enough creditable journos reporting on it – so, as I said, that's the word doing the rounds.
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Word doing the rounds is a ruptured achilles. 6-9 months recovery time, longer to get to match fitness. And no guarantee that he'll ever get that far.
Personally I'd rather wait for an official announcement from Pravda than believe any speculative social media bullshit.
As is your right. But there's enough creditable journos reporting on it – so, as I said, that's the word doing the rounds.
Ignore me. I'm just an old, cantankerous git.
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Word doing the rounds is a ruptured achilles. 6-9 months recovery time, longer to get to match fitness. And no guarantee that he'll ever get that far.
Personally I'd rather wait for an official announcement from Pravda than believe any speculative social media bullshit.
As is your right. But there's enough creditable journos reporting on it – so, as I said, that's the word doing the rounds.
Ignore me. I'm just an old, cantankerous git.
You're not old, Lee.
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If true then we really can't expect much improvement this season. Basically only Kamara as a new starter. I can only see a stop gap loan CH coming in. What an absolute nightmare for Carlos and the club who did wonders to get him.
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Chambers with Hause as back-up.
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Martin Laursen after 3 games, Luc Nilis after 3, Wesley, after he played a decent game, Tom Heaton in the same game, Carl Tiler. We do seem to get it bad. Hopefully Carlos isn't out for as long as being quoted but this is Villa.
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Terrible news.
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Ignore me. I'm just an old, cantankerous git.
You're not old, Lee.
Well said Rory! Leeg is younger than me which obviously means he's still in his prime.
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Ignore me. I'm just an old, cantankerous git.
You're not old, Lee.
Well said Rory! Leeg is younger than me which obviously means he's still in his prime.
Oh no, you're well old, BV! 😉
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Ignore me. I'm just an old, cantankerous git.
You're not old, Lee.
Well said Rory! Leeg is younger than me which obviously means he's still in his prime.
Oh no, you're well old, BV! 😉
I know you mean that in a "with age comes wisdom" way so all good. :)
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Ignore me. I'm just an old, cantankerous git.
You're not old, Lee.
Well said Rory! Leeg is younger than me which obviously means he's still in his prime.
Oh no, you're well old, BV! 😉
I know you mean that in a "with age comes wisdom" way so all good. :)
I do - and you are bloody wise!
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Standard stuff. Laursen, Vlaar, Okore, Tuanzebe, Engels..?
Add this guy to the made of glass / instant injury / out for the season / probably we'll never see again list.
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Confirmed as ruptured Achilles…damn
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Awful for him and us.
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That’s terrible news for him and us. It’s a bad injury that was career ending years ago but he’ll be back thankfully. We really do have some unbelievable bad luck.
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We have got to be cursed. Always our big signings. FFS.
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FFS - it’s just unreal. At his age we were looking at 3 - 4 seasons max as a first choice and we’ve lost one of them.
We also now only have 1 new player in a squad that finish 14th
I imagine we’ll bring someone in - most likely on loan - Coady would have been perfect if all sides could have stomached it
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Poor bloke. New club, new league, new home in a new country and fucked for months.
Poor us, it's happened again.
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Really bad luck for him, and us.
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Confirmed as ruptured Achilles…damn
FFS, if we fell into a bucket of tits we'd come out sucking our thumb.
Get well soon Diego.
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FFS - it’s just unreal. At his age we were looking at 3 - 4 seasons max as a first choice and we’ve lost one of them.
We also now only have 1 new player in a squad that finish 14th
I imagine we’ll bring someone in - most likely on loan - Coady would have been perfect if all sides could have stomached it
Coady?
Can only play in a system that dare not speak its name
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So we are only one player better off than last year. We need to buy and quick.
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Confirmed as ruptured Achilles…damn
FFS, if we fell into a bucket of tits we'd come out sucking our thumb.
Get well soon Diego.
Not a good injury at all to get, thankfully the window is still open to get someone in.
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Oh FFS
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FFS. Possibly good chance for Chambers to have extended run. Bitch of a time as best ones are snapped up and the others are back ups to back ups
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We all know that’s the last time we’re seeing him play in a Villa shirt right
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I sometimes feel that only we can buy a defender has never played less than 28 league games, and yet is crocked after 2 appearances for us.
And at his age, you wonder if we'll have to add him to Bent, Kozak, Okore, Wesley and numerous others that even when they managed to come back were never the same as they were.
I think that guaranteed. Paying his wages for 4 years with no return.
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Absolutely gutted, get well soon Diego.
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FFS - it’s just unreal. At his age we were looking at 3 - 4 seasons max as a first choice and we’ve lost one of them.
We also now only have 1 new player in a squad that finish 14th
I imagine we’ll bring someone in - most likely on loan - Coady would have been perfect if all sides could have stomached it
Coady?
Can only play in a system that dare not speak its name
Yeah true
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Gutted for him as he looked good on Saturday. The only 'positive' is that the window is still open. Hopefully a replacement can be found. Let's hope it doesn't come at the expense of any other targets.
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Ivo Stass all over again.
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We all know that’s the last time we’re seeing him play in a Villa shirt right
Depends, probably not this season
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Gutted for him as he looked good on Saturday. The only 'positive' is that the window is still open. Hopefully a replacement can be found. Let's hope it doesn't come at the expense of any other targets.
And that's the point. Our defensive cover is still good enough imo so it shouldn't detract from any other targets. The only transfer decision to make now is not letting Hause go.
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Rotten luck for us and even more so for him. Wishing you a successful recovery Diego.
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Shit news for the big man, and us.
Get well soon!
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We all know that’s the last time we’re seeing him play in a Villa shirt right
Depends, probably not this season
I think it’s a definitely isn’t it? Real shame for the Guy
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Gutted for him as he looked good on Saturday. The only 'positive' is that the window is still open. Hopefully a replacement can be found. Let's hope it doesn't come at the expense of any other targets.
And that's the point. Our defensive cover is still good enough imo so it shouldn't detract from any other targets. The only transfer decision to make now is not letting Hause go.
I don't agree with this. Gerrard obviously wasn't happy with the three options we had, otherwise he wouldn't have spent that much on Carlos. Konsa was mostly shit last year, and he was shit against Bournemouth.
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Mings, Konsa and Hause are a car crash set of defenders.
We're now down to just Chambers who is any good.
If we don't get another centre half in we'll concede so many goals.
Worried for us if truth be told.
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Gutted for him as he looked good on Saturday. The only 'positive' is that the window is still open. Hopefully a replacement can be found. Let's hope it doesn't come at the expense of any other targets.
And that's the point. Our defensive cover is still good enough imo so it shouldn't detract from any other targets. The only transfer decision to make now is not letting Hause go.
I don't agree with this. Gerrard obviously wasn't happy with the three options we had, otherwise he wouldn't have spent that much on Carlos. Konsa was mostly shit last year, and he was shit against Bournemouth.
Konsa was rotten v Bournemouth (Carlos was worse I thought) but less than a year ago we were all saying it was laughable he wasn't in the England squad. Centre back isn't really a position you need to rotate too much. If Hause leaves then fine, we need another option.
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We all know that’s the last time we’re seeing him play in a Villa shirt right?
Yep. After 18 months or so he'll go out on loan to gain fitness and that will be that. Some club might take a punt on him for a couple million if we're lucky.
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Gutted for him as he looked good on Saturday. The only 'positive' is that the window is still open. Hopefully a replacement can be found. Let's hope it doesn't come at the expense of any other targets.
And that's the point. Our defensive cover is still good enough imo so it shouldn't detract from any other targets. The only transfer decision to make now is not letting Hause go.
I don't agree with this. Gerrard obviously wasn't happy with the three options we had, otherwise he wouldn't have spent that much on Carlos. Konsa was mostly shit last year, and he was shit against Bournemouth.
Konsa was rotten v Bournemouth (Carlos was worse I thought) but less than a year ago we were all saying it was laughable he wasn't in the England squad. Centre back isn't really a position you need to rotate too much. If Hause leaves then fine, we need another option.
They were all rotton V Bournemouth. Konsa hasn't suddenly become a bad player and that's the end of it. He's hit a bad bit of form but will come good again and playing alongside Mings we have as steady a central pairing as there is apart from a handful of clubs. Even if there's a dip in form we have Chambers ready to step in.
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Terrible news for the big lad especially as he also misses (possible) world cup this winter. Get well soon Diego.
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I didnt see what happened, but it seems the injury event was rather innocuous. This is a 29 year old player who has played in the top leagues without apparent problem for a number of years. Together with our recent injury history, this does start to raise nagging doubts re our training regimes.
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Mings, Konsa and Hause are a car crash set of defenders.
We're now down to just Chambers who is any good.
If we don't get another centre half in we'll concede so many goals.
Worried for us if truth be told.
It's all about opinions I suppose but those three are not car crash defenders at all. They may have their individual faults but describing them as car crash is way over the top.
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Could this be the opportunity for Feeney to step up to the regular squad?
He looked calm, assured and comfortable on the ball in pre-season.
I know it may be a little early, but sometimes a young player thrives on an unexpected opportunity.
2 from 5. Mings, Konsa, Hause, Chambers, Feeney
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Get well soon DC.
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Sad for Diego, but the situation is not drastic. He himself was still coming to terms with the premiership. I'm still more concerned at the other end of the pitch.
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Hause is probably going to leave - he must know he was 5th choice behind Carlos, Mings, Konsa, Chambers and possibly behind Feeney too.
Feeney is too young to be risked. So we need a replacement.
But what type of player?
We've spent £28m on DC, how much is left in the kitty and is that earmarked for a MF and a CF?
Do we go short term and bring in a stop gap, or get somebody who has long term potential should we decide to move out some of pur centre back roster n the future?
Are there any decent free agents we could sign reasonably quickly/easily - saving a fee.
If we want to pay - how much, will the selling club play hardball knowing we're "desperate" and can we persuade somebody to move from his existing club - if so at what cost
Quite a lot for Johann & Co to think about and work through in the coming days.
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Mings, Konsa and Hause are a car crash set of defenders.
We're now down to just Chambers who is any good.
If we don't get another centre half in we'll concede so many goals.
Worried for us if truth be told.
I think the centre halves have much better protection now with Kamala in the side and they will improve because of him.
I don't see a bad car crash happening but I might be wrong.
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Could this be the opportunity for Feeney to step up to the regular squad?
He looked calm, assured and comfortable on the ball in pre-season.
I know it may be a little early, but sometimes a young player thrives on an unexpected opportunity.
2 from 5. Mings, Konsa, Hause, Chambers, Feeney
That was my thought. If it's a little too soon and and we're getting a decent fee for Hause could we maybe look for a stop gap signing like Chambers to cover whilst young Josh develops?
Gutted for the big man, looked decent and seems to have integrated well with the South American contingent if the social media snaps with Emi are anything to go by.
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Curtis Davies (remember him) got an achilles injury midway through his first season and was back for the start of the next one.
There wasn't a noticeable lack of pace when he returned; he even looked quite good - alongside Laursen.
Alongside Cuellar it was comedy defending.
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Gutted for him as he looked good on Saturday. The only 'positive' is that the window is still open. Hopefully a replacement can be found. Let's hope it doesn't come at the expense of any other targets.
And that's the point. Our defensive cover is still good enough imo so it shouldn't detract from any other targets. The only transfer decision to make now is not letting Hause go.
I don't agree with this. Gerrard obviously wasn't happy with the three options we had, otherwise he wouldn't have spent that much on Carlos. Konsa was mostly shit last year, and he was shit against Bournemouth.
As others have said, we were all mostly shit against Bournemouth, Carlos included. Chambers didn't play that game and he'd be my choice to take over at centre half as I think transfer priorities are elsewhere in the team.
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Is Christopher Samba still knocking about?
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I didnt see what happened, but it seems the injury event was rather innocuous. This is a 29 year old player who has played in the top leagues without apparent problem for a number of years. Together with our recent injury history, this does start to raise nagging doubts re our training regimes.
Whatever about training regimes, i hope it wasn't another case of a player being allowed to play on only to seriously exacerbate the issue. If so, the medical staff need sacking.
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We should keep Hause for another season and stick with what we've got. A Konsa of two seasons ago is more than good enough and Chambers looks very good as well. With Kamara in midfield this should be enough, although if he gets injured we're fucked.
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That's a big blow I hope he comes back stronger.
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Feeney looks fine, but will hardly get any game time and it would be better for his development to play on loan.
More imprortantly the idea was to imprive the starting XI as Gerrard obviously doesn't have enough confidence in Mings / Konsa / Chambers. Personally I always felt we had bigger problems but I wouldn't be surprised if we go back into the market. Gerrards can't afford to wait for Diego to get fit, he could well be out of a job by then. So unless he's seen something in pres season that has changed his mind then surely we'l be looking hard for a replacement.
Anyone know if insurance kicks in to cover wages etc for this type of injury?
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We should keep Hause for another season and stick with what we've got. A Konsa of two seasons ago is more than good enough and Chambers looks very good as well. With Kamara in midfield this should be enough, although if he gets injured we're fucked.
Chambers has looked good when played that’s for sure. It’s just the nagging doubt I have about how consistent he is when having a decent run in a team. The fans view from Arsenal is that he goes off the boil. But I guess we’ll never know until it happens.
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The defence looked so shaky last year because of the lack of cover in front of them. I'd still be focusing on another midfielder and someone up front. At least there's a bit of time left in the window.
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It's a real blow, both for Diego & the club. We need a replacement both as a defender and a leader. We cannot go with what we had last season & expect to improve our position in the league.
If they can find someone, it'll come at the expense of other areas of the squad not improving. I think it'll be a loan. Whilst the window is open for a couple of weeks, it won't be easy to just find a someone who fits the criteria.
Anyway get well soon Diego.
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How does this work with insurance? We've committed to a four year deal and up to 25% of that is now fcuked. Feel bad for the player but at least he's on full-pay and can pass his free time binging on boxsets and spending time with the kids (he seemed to have at least two hanging off him as he emerged from the tunnel on Saturday.
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We should be okay with Mings Konsa Hause and Chambers.
Seem to remember Mings and Konsa were quite good once upon a time.
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I think the centre halves have much better protection now with Kamala in the side and they will improve because of him.
I don't see a bad car crash happening but I might be wrong.
I don't think she's up to it, it's bound be a car crash with her involved.
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The defence looked so shaky last year because of the lack of cover in front of them. I'd still be focusing on another midfielder and someone up front. At least there's a bit of time left in the window.
I tend to agree with this. Although losing Carlos is a big blow, I think shape and midfield is far more important.
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Gutted, thought he was going to be ace for this season, get well soon.
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For fuck's sake. I mean, just fucking hell.
What have we done to deserve this shitty luck?
All the best to the lad. It's a bloody shame.
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That has Newcastle fan written all over it. Weird bunch.
Can't be. After all there local paper have ran a story stating how much class their fans have with get well messages (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-supporters-show-class-24758242) even if the first two contain pointers that most of their fans have been cnuts over it.
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There's no way I'd be spending more on another CB. Maybe bring in someone on loan if he's of sufficient quality but otherwise there are higher priorities elsewhere and presumably we need to save some money for the January window.
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For fuck's sake. I mean, just fucking hell.
What have we done to deserve this shitty luck?
All the best to the lad. It's a bloody shame.
This.
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I sometimes feel that only we can buy a defender has never played less than 28 league games, and yet is crocked after 2 appearances for us.
And at his age, you wonder if we'll have to add him to Bent, Kozak, Okore, Wesley and numerous others that even when they managed to come back were never the same as they were.
I think that guaranteed. Paying his wages for 4 years with no return.
Surely covered by insurance?
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Gutted
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I expect they will have insured his earnings against longer term injury. So we could get a loan/free transfer player in and his wages will be covered by our claim.
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Yes they did. The excess is £20m.
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Disappointed for the lad! Good luck with the recovery.
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How does this work with insurance? We've committed to a four year deal and up to 25% of that is now fcuked. Feel bad for the player but at least he's on full-pay and can pass his free time binging on boxsets and spending time with the kids (he seemed to have at least two hanging off him as he emerged from the tunnel on Saturday.
If insured (expect so) then we would receive a payment from the insurance company (his wages) typically after a deferral period agreed in the Contract (probably months). Until he returns or the end of the cover period.
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Our success rate with Brazilians hasn't been great so far has it. We tend to break them.
We should look for an Argentinian replacement, they seem a lot more sturdy.
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I sometimes feel that only we can buy a defender has never played less than 28 league games, and yet is crocked after 2 appearances for us.
And at his age, you wonder if we'll have to add him to Bent, Kozak, Okore, Wesley and numerous others that even when they managed to come back were never the same as they were.
Luc Nilis sprang to mind for me. Petrov too, although not quite the same scenario and not as young as those players but still our captain at the time. It is devastating really, we'll be left with another 'what if...'
Anyone know how this will impact FFP? Can we sign a replacement without being penalised?
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He should be able to come back from this just as strong as before. He's 29, surrounded by the best physios and surgical advancements have made this a very recoverable injury.
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I sometimes feel that only we can buy a defender has never played less than 28 league games, and yet is crocked after 2 appearances for us.
And at his age, you wonder if we'll have to add him to Bent, Kozak, Okore, Wesley and numerous others that even when they managed to come back were never the same as they were.
Luc Nilis sprang to mind for me. Petrov too, although not quite the same scenario and not as young as those players but still our captain at the time. It is devastating really, we'll be left with another 'what if...'
Anyone know how this will impact FFP? Can we sign a replacement without being penalised?
No
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We are cursed.
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Certainly feels like it, all the joy from Saturdays result now seems rather flat.
We can only wish him a speedy and full recovery (though from what I understand a full recovery isn't the norm).
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I hope for a speedy recovery.
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Best wishes big Diego.
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Somebody with a stats head should do an analysis. Are we disproportionately hit with long-term serious injuries/illness to important players/big signings?
It seems to be way out of proportion with us. Off the top of my head
Nillis
Laursen
Kozak
Bent
Grealish
Ehiogu in 1998/99 being out for a time more or less derailed our season.
Edit: Gary Charles, Dion Dublin, and I recall Benteke getting a few bad ones too.
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Somebody with a stats head should do an analysis. Are we disproportionately hit with long-term serious injuries/illness to important players/big signings?
It seems to be way out of proportion with us. Off the top of my head
Nillis
Laursen
Kozak
Bent
Grealish
Ehiogu in 1998/99 being out for a time more or less derailed our season.
Wright
Leonard
Shaw
Little
Pejic (sp?)
Delaney
Robson
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It's a bit of a pisser but at least we still have 4 centre halves to all upon. Let's hope for a swift recovery.
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I'm sure all clubs have their lengthy-list of crocked woes. We're not cursed, we're just the Villa.
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Jason Denayer is - I think - a free agent
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Bouma's injury looked horrific and also meant he didn't play for us again although he did pick his career up when he returned to PSV.
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Dreadful news for him and the club. Big injury, and at 29 not an easy recovery.
Wish him all the best on the long road back to first team action.
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Somebody with a stats head should do an analysis. Are we disproportionately hit with long-term serious injuries/illness to important players/big signings?
It seems to be way out of proportion with us. Off the top of my head
Nillis
Laursen
Kozak
Bent
Grealish
Ehiogu in 1998/99 being out for a time more or less derailed our season.
Edit: Gary Charles, Dion Dublin, and I recall Benteke getting a few bad ones too.
Curtis Davies ruptured his Achilles Tendon in March 2008 whilst on loan from West Brom. However, we still signed him permanently later that summer......He did a similar injury much later in his career with Derby County.
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We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
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Watching Saturdays highlights you could see his confidence was growing and there is no doubt Gerrard sees him as a leader so this is a real blow to our aspirations
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We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
Petrol?
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We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
Petrol?
You fuelling some sort of rumour? - it was Petrov.
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We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
Petrol?
Benito Carbone?
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We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
Petrol?
We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
My non footballing mate has just played footy with him in Cyprus in a Dads v Kids game
He is currently part of a kids football camp in Limassol.
My mate got all 'new holiday friends' with him
He was ever so chuffed :)
but I set him straight about the original Rat boy ;)
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We signed Downing pre-fucked.
With an injury inflicted by one of our own players when we played Boro.
Petrol?
Benito Carbone?
That's enough puns now, diesel do.
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Oil give it a rest then.
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Oil give it a rest then.
Slick.
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Oil give it a rest then.
Oil give it a rest then.
Slick.
some of these puns are.not very refined
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Oil give it a rest then.
Oil give it a rest then.
Slick.
some of these puns are.not very refined
Yes, very crude.
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NO.
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I Gesso.
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4 star effort everybody.
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These punathons on a players thread are pathetic, constantly raising my BP.
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For some reason, an old joke from the 1960's comes to mind.
Oil
Beef
Hooked.
What jolly japes we had back then.
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These punathons on a players thread are pathetic, constantly raising my BP.
I suppose we'll have to Shell out for a new centre back now.
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Please let that be enough now.
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Please let that be enough now.
I am in Total agreement.
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Please let that be enough now.
I am in Total agreement.
This is all high octane stuff.
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Please let that be enough now.
I am in Total agreement.
This is all high octane stuff.
Might as well make it 3 in one.
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Hope there’s not a massive Gulf in class between him and his replacement
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Hope there’s not a massive Gulf in class between him and his replacement
As long as said replacement doesn't come from Russia.
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Why do we have to buy a new CB? What about the youth system, surely we have a decent one in the pipeline.
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Why do we have to buy a new CB? What about the youth system, surely we have a decent one in the pipeline.
Agreed it’s really frustrating clearly, but I wouldn’t make buying a centre back a priority. Centre mid is still key and second to that is up front.
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Why do we have to buy a new CB? What about the youth system, surely we have a decent one in the pipeline.
Never read a Fina post.
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Whoever we go in for, the selling club will have us over a barrel.
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This thread needs refining before we get too many high octane comments.
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Replacement will hopefully have other attributes than simply the long pump up the field.
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We need to sign a big unit not an ELF.
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yeah think well have to Shell out a reasonable Total to get someone in now
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If we have to scout abroad let's get him in quick by Jet
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If we have to scout abroad let's get him in quick by Jet
And thy need to identify at least a 4 star player.
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In essence, I agree with the last few posts
( one for BE)
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In essence, I agree with the last few posts
( one for BE)
Noticed that and I think you carried if off with sans (a)plomb.
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I was disappointed in the ref on Saturday when he didn’t stop play quicker for Diego’s injury. Thought the Holte were going to break out into ‘the referee’s a tanker’
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This shit wasn't funny thirty posts ago.
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I was disappointed in the ref on Saturday when he didn’t stop play quicker for Diego’s injury. Thought the Holte were going to break out into ‘the referee’s a tanker’
This one made me hoot. I must admit.
Anyway the new defender better be Mobil.
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I suppose we could Exxonorate people for the crap puns🤣🤣
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I think we should all stop being so crude
Edit- oh that was done two pages ago
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I’m just trying to think of another….
(https://i.ibb.co/dbxj2wH/040-E62-E8-4115-45-B0-A99-C-78-BBC029-DD09.png) (https://ibb.co/dbxj2wH)
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I'm hoping that the damage caused by Diego's injury won't be Castrolnomical to him or us.
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I'm hoping that the damage caused by Diego's injury won't be Castrolnomical to him or us.
Fracking hell, that’s a good one
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Is Carl Fore-Cort available ?
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Oils well that ends well.
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This shit wasn't funny thirty posts ago.
Will Do-40 then?
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There's more milage left in these puns, Q8 and see.
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Ideally we would have four star defenders.
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We need a natural leader. I hate it when we are unlead.
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There's more milage left in these puns, Q8 and see.
No sign of it running out of gas now that it's a hybrid thread.
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Erm, Piper Alpha disaster or something.
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Erm, Piper Alpha disaster or something.
What's got 4 legs and goes woof? Bloody hell, I never remember jokes and must have been 11 when that happened.
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I don't know watts the matter with you lot but can we stop fuelling the silliness that's taking this thread off road.
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I don't know watts the matter with you lot but can we stop fuelling the silliness that's taking this thread off road.
That's literally every thread.
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Anyway, getting back on topic, I thought he looked really pumped when he started.
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In both games he looked to have plenty left in the tank.
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Done with puns. Did the WD40 one but Castrol I got.
Get (oil) well soon Diego
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We've got Chambers and Mings. Diesel do.
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to be honest, with a bit more forecourt, we could have planed for this
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I don't know watts the matter with you lot but can we stop fuelling the silliness that's taking this thread off road.
That's literally every thread.
Yes it's driving me round the bend.
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Gerrard said today that Diego will still likely play a large part of this season. Surgery went well and he won’t be rushed back. I still see us making a loan to buy move in the market before the deadline. The real player in danger for me if we do bring in someone else is Konsa who hasn’t impressed for a while.
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Gerrard said today that Diego will still likely play a large part of this season. Surgery went well and he won’t be rushed back. I still see us making a loan to buy move in the market before the deadline. The real player in danger for me if we do bring in someone else is Konsa who hasn’t impressed for a while.
One of the big chances at the end for Everton came from a Rondon flick on, and Konsa didn't even jump with him, he just stood off and let it happen. I've seen that too many times from him, too passive.
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Yep, we nearly got pwn'd twice by Octogenarian Rondon. We need Hause for that shit or a new player cos no one else can manage it for us.
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Gerrard said today that Diego will still likely play a large part of this season. Surgery went well and he won’t be rushed back. I still see us making a loan to buy move in the market before the deadline. The real player in danger for me if we do bring in someone else is Konsa who hasn’t impressed for a while.
I'd like to see what Feeney can do. I think he could be the surprise package of the season.
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Possibly posted before, an article about Feeney from January
Click me (https://theathletic.com/3052321/2022/01/05/josh-feeney-the-villa-16-year-old-who-has-passed-every-test-a-first-team-future-awaits/)
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Josh Feeney: The Villa 16-year-old who has passed every test – a first-team future awaits
JOSH-FEENEY-ASTON-VILLA-
By Gregg Evans
Jan 6, 2022
Josh Feeney bounced into 2022 with nervous energy and excitement that quickly turned into unbridled joy.
The 16-year-old — Aston Villa’s youngest player to feature in a Premier League match-day squad this season — was promoted to first-team training to make up the numbers in the closing days of 2021.
He was only at Bodymoor Heath to attend the optional refresher sessions, set up for the returning development players who wanted to shake off the cobwebs after a Christmas break in advance of their scheduled return this week.
But with fellow centre-halves Sil Swinkels and Lamare Bogarde still in the Netherlands and not due to return until after the game away to Brentford, Feeney was identified as the next in line when Steven Gerrard asked for additional defensive bodies to prepare for the trip.
The youngster, signed for a substantial six-figure sum from Fleetwood Town in June, stepped up and did what was asked of him. He thought he had upset Gerrard when he revealed his father was a Celtic supporter and the manager, who led Rangers to the Scottish title, joked that he would therefore not be included in the squad.
With Tyrone Mings suspended, the outgoing Axel Tuanzebe not available and others in the under-23 set-up injured, he would be on the next team sheet among Villa’s substitutes.
Ask every 16-year-old in the country how they started this calendar year and you would be pushed to find a more uplifting response.
“He was very, very excited,” says Jack Higgins, the academy director at Fleetwood Town who was made aware of the news by Feeney in the build-up to the game.
The teenager has stayed in touch with those at his former club as they played a huge part in his development.
Void of an academy upbringing until the age of 12, Feeney left grassroots side Bispham Juniors for Highbury and embarked on a journey that has accelerated considerably.
His appearance on the Villa bench might have been fortuitous but those who have worked closely with the England Under-17 captain know the effort he has put in to prime himself for a big future.
Aged 14, he was playing for the under-18s. A year later he stepped into the under-23s, training so hard that in his first session he was physically sick.
Before he visited Villa on the day they won the FA Youth Cup in May and decided the Midlands was where he would move, he had been named in Fleetwood’s first-team squad a handful of times.
“Are we surprised that he’s made a Premier League squad so quickly? Yes, but we’re also not surprised, if that makes sense,” Higgins tells The Athletic.
“We always knew it would be on the cards for Josh because it doesn’t happen very often that a 16-year-old goes into a new club and plays pretty much every minute of under-23 football, certainly at centre-half and for a player who has moved from a League One academy.
“Josh is a diamond. He’s a very humble, grounded, well-mannered, and quite a humorous young man.
“He has also been through a magnificent journey over the last 12 months so for someone his age to take so much on and still be so humble is a credit to him and his family.”
So what type of player have Villa got at their disposal now then, and just how far can he go?
“Without putting any pressure on him, he’s got the lot,” Higgins adds.
In under-23s football, he has shown maturity on the pitch, leading from the back and mixing up his game. For a 6ft 5in centre-half, he can play out from the back comfortably, oozing class as he drives into midfield looking to break the lines with his passing and start attacks.
He is one of the quickest in the group too.
“Something you don’t see so often in centre-halves of his size and at that age are the balance and coordination that he has,” Higgins says.
“A lot of credit has to go to our sports science team for his growth in that respect and to Villa for continuing that.
“When he was in the under-13s, he wasn’t very good at heading the ball, but our head of coaching, Matt Lawlor, worked with him for three years and removed the question marks over what a top centre-half should be able to do.
“Josh loves heads it a mile now. He goes and attacks the ball and wants to defend.”
Just 18 months ago, Feeney was still finding his feet in Fleetwood’s under-18s — he has not looked back since stepping up.
“In one of his early games, we changed the formation to put him into a back three and next to two second-year scholars,“ Higgins says.
“Yet it was Josh who walked away with the most credit on the pitch.”
An England call-up followed. The youngster continued to breeze through every challenge with flying colours, so much so that when the Clitheroe Football Festival came around — and Fleetwood sent an under-23 team to compete with a bunch of hardened non-League outfits — all eyes were on Feeney.
“We genuinely thought it would be a real test for him,” Higgins says of the then-15-year-old
“We wanted to see what he was like against a couple of old-fashioned No 9s, who try to grab you, roll you… all the old-school tricks.
“There was one forward who we thought would eat Josh up but he got the better of him. It was at that point we knew how good he was going to be. He had shown in academy games that he was very technical, very competent and can manoeuvre his way through teams, but then he proved that he can mix it and hold the physical side, too.“
Fleetwood won that tournament and it proved to be one of Feeney’s final contributions at the club.
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Feeney is 6ft 5in, good on the ball and quick (Photo: Nathan Stirk/Getty Images)
He was allowed to discuss a move with several clubs. One of his representatives, Gareth Seddon, the former EFL and non-League striker, helped during the move and has since become a close part of his support team.
The lure of a Premier League side with a huge fanbase, rich history and big plans for the future, with youth development at the heart of it, was just too good to turn down.
Yet there were tears when it came to saying goodbye.
“The day he left, he was inconsolable. He was crying and crying. His mum was crying, too, and he had to remove himself for 30 minutes so he could speak to people properly, because that’s what the club meant to him,” Higgins says.
“As much of a huge success of a move as it was, it was also incredibly hard for him to leave, and that makes what he’s done since even more impressive because he’s just parked it and moved on.”
Feeney has returned to under-23 training hoping to get another taste of the first team.
There were the obvious reactions after his first-team experience. Social media retweets from the official club account, replies of thanks to those who messaged him in support and a quick chat to the club photographer for a couple of match-day snaps for his accounts.
Those in his inner circle offered up words of advice — to take everything in, to watch how the other senior centre-halves acted before and after the game, and most of all, to enjoy it.
Over Christmas, Feeney returned home and met up with Lawlor to discuss the last six months and possible aims for 2022 and beyond. One of those — with no time limit — was to make it into the first-team squad. That he achieved it two days into the year is some achievement.
Josh Feeney: The Villa 16-year-old who has passed every test – a first-team future awaits
Managed to coyp article before paywall cut in;
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By Gregg Evans
Jan 6, 2022
Josh Feeney bounced into 2022 with nervous energy and excitement that quickly turned into unbridled joy.
The 16-year-old — Aston Villa’s youngest player to feature in a Premier League match-day squad this season — was promoted to first-team training to make up the numbers in the closing days of 2021.
He was only at Bodymoor Heath to attend the optional refresher sessions, set up for the returning development players who wanted to shake off the cobwebs after a Christmas break in advance of their scheduled return this week.
But with fellow centre-halves Sil Swinkels and Lamare Bogarde still in the Netherlands and not due to return until after the game away to Brentford, Feeney was identified as the next in line when Steven Gerrard asked for additional defensive bodies to prepare for the trip.
The youngster, signed for a substantial six-figure sum from Fleetwood Town in June, stepped up and did what was asked of him. He thought he had upset Gerrard when he revealed his father was a Celtic supporter and the manager, who led Rangers to the Scottish title, joked that he would therefore not be included in the squad.
With Tyrone Mings suspended, the outgoing Axel Tuanzebe not available and others in the under-23 set-up injured, he would be on the next team sheet among Villa’s substitutes.
Ask every 16-year-old in the country how they started this calendar year and you would be pushed to find a more uplifting response.
“He was very, very excited,” says Jack Higgins, the academy director at Fleetwood Town who was made aware of the news by Feeney in the build-up to the game.
The teenager has stayed in touch with those at his former club as they played a huge part in his development.
Void of an academy upbringing until the age of 12, Feeney left grassroots side Bispham Juniors for Highbury and embarked on a journey that has accelerated considerably.
His appearance on the Villa bench might have been fortuitous but those who have worked closely with the England Under-17 captain know the effort he has put in to prime himself for a big future.
Aged 14, he was playing for the under-18s. A year later he stepped into the under-23s, training so hard that in his first session he was physically sick.
Before he visited Villa on the day they won the FA Youth Cup in May and decided the Midlands was where he would move, he had been named in Fleetwood’s first-team squad a handful of times.
“Are we surprised that he’s made a Premier League squad so quickly? Yes, but we’re also not surprised, if that makes sense,” Higgins tells The Athletic.
“We always knew it would be on the cards for Josh because it doesn’t happen very often that a 16-year-old goes into a new club and plays pretty much every minute of under-23 football, certainly at centre-half and for a player who has moved from a League One academy.
“Josh is a diamond. He’s a very humble, grounded, well-mannered, and quite a humorous young man.
“He has also been through a magnificent journey over the last 12 months so for someone his age to take so much on and still be so humble is a credit to him and his family.”
So what type of player have Villa got at their disposal now then, and just how far can he go?
“Without putting any pressure on him, he’s got the lot,” Higgins adds.
In under-23s football, he has shown maturity on the pitch, leading from the back and mixing up his game. For a 6ft 5in centre-half, he can play out from the back comfortably, oozing class as he drives into midfield looking to break the lines with his passing and start attacks.
He is one of the quickest in the group too.
“Something you don’t see so often in centre-halves of his size and at that age are the balance and coordination that he has,” Higgins says.
“A lot of credit has to go to our sports science team for his growth in that respect and to Villa for continuing that.
“When he was in the under-13s, he wasn’t very good at heading the ball, but our head of coaching, Matt Lawlor, worked with him for three years and removed the question marks over what a top centre-half should be able to do.
“Josh loves heads it a mile now. He goes and attacks the ball and wants to defend.”
Just 18 months ago, Feeney was still finding his feet in Fleetwood’s under-18s — he has not looked back since stepping up.
“In one of his early games, we changed the formation to put him into a back three and next to two second-year scholars,“ Higgins says.
“Yet it was Josh who walked away with the most credit on the pitch.”
An England call-up followed. The youngster continued to breeze through every challenge with flying colours, so much so that when the Clitheroe Football Festival came around — and Fleetwood sent an under-23 team to compete with a bunch of hardened non-League outfits — all eyes were on Feeney.
“We genuinely thought it would be a real test for him,” Higgins says of the then-15-year-old
“We wanted to see what he was like against a couple of old-fashioned No 9s, who try to grab you, roll you… all the old-school tricks.
“There was one forward who we thought would eat Josh up but he got the better of him. It was at that point we knew how good he was going to be. He had shown in academy games that he was very technical, very competent and can manoeuvre his way through teams, but then he proved that he can mix it and hold the physical side, too.“
Fleetwood won that tournament and it proved to be one of Feeney’s final contributions at the club.
He was allowed to discuss a move with several clubs. One of his representatives, Gareth Seddon, the former EFL and non-League striker, helped during the move and has since become a close part of his support team.
The lure of a Premier League side with a huge fanbase, rich history and big plans for the future, with youth development at the heart of it, was just too good to turn down.
Yet there were tears when it came to saying goodbye.
“The day he left, he was inconsolable. He was crying and crying. His mum was crying, too, and he had to remove himself for 30 minutes so he could speak to people properly, because that’s what the club meant to him,” Higgins says.
“As much of a huge success of a move as it was, it was also incredibly hard for him to leave, and that makes what he’s done since even more impressive because he’s just parked it and moved on.”
Feeney has returned to under-23 training hoping to get another taste of the first team.
There were the obvious reactions after his first-team experience. Social media retweets from the official club account, replies of thanks to those who messaged him in support and a quick chat to the club photographer for a couple of match-day snaps for his accounts.
Those in his inner circle offered up words of advice — to take everything in, to watch how the other senior centre-halves acted before and after the game, and most of all, to enjoy it.
Over Christmas, Feeney returned home and met up with Lawlor to discuss the last six months and possible aims for 2022 and beyond. One of those — with no time limit — was to make it into the first-team squad. That he achieved it two days into the year is some achievement.
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Ive only seen Feeney in the 2nd half against Walsall pre season, but I thought he oozed class, very excited to see him progress with us. From that article sounds like a good kid as well.
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It's now become clear that Carlos wasn't even a Gerrard signing by Law, Wallace and Percy of the telegraph sources
"Gerrard had personally involved himself in negotiations to try to sign James Tarkowski from Burnley, before Villa seemingly changed course and signed Carlos, who had been passed on by West Ham United"
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Footy, you don't need to spam every thread with one paragraph every time somebody is mentioned in one article.
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Footy, you don't need to spam every thread with one paragraph every time somebody is mentioned in one article.
It's more that it's relavent to the specific thread and gives a service of information to discuss on topic.
In a long article it can get lost.
It's a really helpful way of getting things across as spam isn't the intention.
If it's against site rules then I won't continue to make such a information service available.
It also helps me in discussion and probably many others too when wanting to discuss in a specific thread and in topic.
The distractions are overwhelming as it is sometime but I had this issue before with people being intolerant to how I posting to help my needs and hopefully others.
I went away.
I will do so again.
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That's a shit poem
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Footy, you don't need to spam every thread with one paragraph every time somebody is mentioned in one article.
It's more that it's relavent to the specific thread and gives a service of information to discuss on topic.
In a long article it can get lost.
It's a really helpful way of getting things across as spam isn't the intention.
If it's against site rules then I won't continue to make such a information service available.
It also helps me in discussion and probably many others too when wanting to discuss in a specific thread and in topic.
The distractions are overwhelming as it is sometime but I had this issue before with people being intolerant to how I posting to help my needs and hopefully others.
I went away.
I will do so again.
It is an ancient Mariner,
And he stoppeth one of three
'By thy long grey beard and glittering eye,
Stop spamming the threads'
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That's a shit poem
Isn't it just. Goodness gracious me.
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https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol/status/1586091758831931393?t=U5-yGbZHSuaD7uMtmVgnzw&s=19
Recovery looks like it's going well.. After the last picture I saw where he had a lot of muscle degeneration in his left pin, this looks way more promising...
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Good stuff, Drummond.
Without going on Google and doing my own research, was Diego signed by Emery when he was at Sevilla? Or did he join after Emery had left.
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Carlos signed in 2019, Emery was gone three years before then.
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Cheers mate! Just catching up on life! :)
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Big man putting in the gym time to get back to playing as quickly as possible
https://twitter.com/avfcfaithful_/status/1589244857096499200?s=46&t=MQY8sGgoXOcuLBl6cDZJCg
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That’s impressive👍
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That hurts my back just looking at it.
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Fake stuff. Those weights are made out of polystyrene😂
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bump. saw he was on the dubai trip last month, and he was light running on a treadmill at bodymoor (but in some kind of pressure chamber?)
fingers crossed he will be back before the end of the season.
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bump. saw he was on the dubai trip last month, and he was light running on a treadmill at bodymoor (but in some kind of pressure chamber?)
fingers crossed he will be back before the end of the season.
All the rumours around right now are that he'll be in full training early next month so I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the bench by the end of Feb if things keep going to plan.
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What was his injury again ?
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What was his injury again ?
ruptured left achilles
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Back in the day that was at least a full 12 months out.
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If he kept his toes up more he would get some great hamstring activation.
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What was his injury again ?
ruptured left achilles
Ok thanks
bad one then, is it one of them where you don’t really know if he will be the same player again like Wesley
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What was his injury again ?
ruptured left achilles
Ok thanks
bad one then, is it one of them where you don’t really know if he will be the same player again like Wesley
Not really, most people that do their achilles com back without problems after 6-9months and if there are any problems they tend to give pretty clear warning signs so, at that level, the player will be told exactly what to expect for and to stop if they feel anything off (from what I remember the biggest risks are a tightening where it feels difficult to put your foot down flat and a sharp pain where it feels like needles in the back of your heel, never done it myself but I did a fair bit of physio with a guy who had it).
The sort of injury Wesley got can take years to fully recover and if you push it too soon you can get long setbacks. The biggest problem is the mental strain that it adds where you just can't trust it. I stopped playing rugby for a decade after mine because for over 2 years every time I tried to train it just felt wrong and I couldn't trust myself to break into a full sprint or sidestep. It's different for a professional who's trying to rebuild their career (rather than an amateur who's stopping to protect their career) but it's still really tough.
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What was his injury again ?
ruptured left achilles
Ok thanks
bad one then, is it one of them where you don’t really know if he will be the same player again like Wesley
Not really, most people that do their achilles com back without problems after 6-9months and if there are any problems they tend to give pretty clear warning signs so, at that level, the player will be told exactly what to expect for and to stop if they feel anything off (from what I remember the biggest risks are a tightening where it feels difficult to put your foot down flat and a sharp pain where it feels like needles in the back of your heel, never done it myself but I did a fair bit of physio with a guy who had it).
The sort of injury Wesley got can take years to fully recover and if you push it too soon you can get long setbacks. The biggest problem is the mental strain that it adds where you just can't trust it. I stopped playing rugby for a decade after mine because for over 2 years every time I tried to train it just felt wrong and I couldn't trust myself to break into a full sprint or sidestep. It's different for a professional who's trying to rebuild their career (rather than an amateur who's stopping to protect their career) but it's still really tough.
Sounds hopeful he will be back just as strong then
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What was his injury again ?
ruptured left achilles
Ok thanks
bad one then, is it one of them where you don’t really know if he will be the same player again like Wesley
Not really, most people that do their achilles com back without problems after 6-9months and if there are any problems they tend to give pretty clear warning signs so, at that level, the player will be told exactly what to expect for and to stop if they feel anything off (from what I remember the biggest risks are a tightening where it feels difficult to put your foot down flat and a sharp pain where it feels like needles in the back of your heel, never done it myself but I did a fair bit of physio with a guy who had it).
The sort of injury Wesley got can take years to fully recover and if you push it too soon you can get long setbacks. The biggest problem is the mental strain that it adds where you just can't trust it. I stopped playing rugby for a decade after mine because for over 2 years every time I tried to train it just felt wrong and I couldn't trust myself to break into a full sprint or sidestep. It's different for a professional who's trying to rebuild their career (rather than an amateur who's stopping to protect their career) but it's still really tough.
Sounds hopeful he will be back just as strong then
I think so, obviously there can always be problems that come up but he's been 'early' on every stage of his recovery so far and sounds like he's only a few weeks away from full training so fingers crossed he'll be available for at least the last 10-12 games (13 games from March to May with Leicester still to rearranged so plenty of time still).
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That's some really interesting insight on both injuries. Helps me understand Wes' situation a bit more too. Cheers.
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Didn't Curtis Davies have a similar injury? He came back ridiculously early. Was injured early March 2008 and started the first game of the next season (might have managed a few pre season games aswell). Must be one of the quickest recoveries for that particularly injury.
Whether he came back the same player or not depends on how much you rated him pre injury of course.
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I think Christian Benteke had a similar problem as well.
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Re Davies, he's still going, isn't he? Good to see it didn't effect him long-term.
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Re Davies, he's still going, isn't he? Good to see it didn't effect him long-term.
Yes still at Derby. Think he did his ACL a few years back.
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I think Curtis played every single minute of the Rams' Championship season in 21/22!
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So, a likely return date sometime in February for Diego Carlos. I think, when fully match fit he'll be the better partner for Mings. So commanding and has that imposing physicality.
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Does he play left side more though?
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Does he play left side more though?
He did at Sevilla but only because they had two right footers. I’d expect him to play right side for us
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Didn't Curtis Davies have a similar injury? He came back ridiculously early. Was injured early March 2008 and started the first game of the next season (might have managed a few pre season games aswell). Must be one of the quickest recoveries for that particularly injury.
Whether he came back the same player or not depends on how much you rated him pre injury of course.
Yeah, same injury. I remember because I called it at the time and people wanted to burn me at the stake for knowing what it was just from live TV coverage.
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Didn't Curtis Davies have a similar injury? He came back ridiculously early. Was injured early March 2008 and started the first game of the next season (might have managed a few pre season games aswell). Must be one of the quickest recoveries for that particularly injury.
Whether he came back the same player or not depends on how much you rated him pre injury of course.
Yeah, same injury. I remember because I called it at the time and people wanted to burn me at the stake for knowing what it was just from live TV coverage.
People on here? I don't remember anything like that. I remember a few people being very worried and then a day or 2 later everyone 'knowing' it was bad after a message from the club ("come back stronger", or similar).
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Didn't Curtis Davies have a similar injury? He came back ridiculously early. Was injured early March 2008 and started the first game of the next season (might have managed a few pre season games aswell). Must be one of the quickest recoveries for that particularly injury.
Whether he came back the same player or not depends on how much you rated him pre injury of course.
Yeah, same injury. I remember because I called it at the time and people wanted to burn me at the stake for knowing what it was just from live TV coverage.
Talking about Davies or Carlos for "calling" it. I had a quick scan of this thread, the match one and the post match and can't see any posts from you OCD, or any bounceback for them. (I had to put up with Footy-Vills "songs" for Carlos though so thanks for that).
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Davies; on the match thread. Think it was Arsenal away.
Some of our players at the time described his rupture sounding like a gun going off.
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Davies; on the match thread. Think it was Arsenal away.
Some of our players at the time described his rupture sounding like a gun going off.
That is interesting as when i did mine many years ago it actually felt and sounded like i had been shot - i actually looked around to see from where as there was no one near me at the time i kicked the ball
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Didn't Jenas do the same look to see who had tackled him when his Achilles snapped or whichever part fell off that time.
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Surprisingly it did not actually hurt, then when i tried to stand up it felt like it was someone else's leg - very weird
I was playing as a keeper at 41 in the over 35's league and that ended the playing days for me :'(
The road back to being able to walk etc was a long one so to return to being a professional sportsman must be such a frustrating one
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Didn't Jenas do the same look to see who had tackled him when his Achilles snapped or whichever part fell off that time.
Didn't he fall over a Villa Park hose pipe not quite embedded enough into the turf?
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Didn't Jenas do the same look to see who had tackled him when his Achilles snapped or whichever part fell off that time.
Didn't he fall over a Villa Park hose pipe not quite embedded enough into the turf?
I think it was one the flaps which cover the sprinklers.
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Didn't Jenas do the same look to see who had tackled him when his Achilles snapped or whichever part fell off that time.
Didn't he fall over a Villa Park hose pipe not quite embedded enough into the turf?
I think it was one the flaps which cover the sprinklers.
(https://i.ibb.co/WWCDvfS/carryon.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WWCDvfS)
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Didn't Jenas do the same look to see who had tackled him when his Achilles snapped or whichever part fell off that time.
Didn't he fall over a Villa Park hose pipe not quite embedded enough into the turf?
I think it was one the flaps which cover the sprinklers.
Some reporter's* conclusion was that because his achilles just snapped with no one around him and he looked behind. But I'm pretty sure that he stated he looked back because of the sudden pain and was looking for who had just tackled him.
*Kendrick mentioned it on his live match updates for the Meaning Evil.
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Hasn't JJ written a memoir available in Tesco for fans of The One Show, where he details this injury?
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Weren't we paying his wages for the full year in the loan terms? And couldn't even terminate the loan in January.
Considering we'd appointed McLeish a few months early it was pretty clear by then the ownership didn't have much of a clue and we were just getting mugged off by other clubs constantly.
Bet Levy was sniggering to himself when we agreed to take Jenas on that deal in last hour of transfer window.
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Still, we got Hutts at the same time and he ultimately did a grand job for us.
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Hasn't JJ written a memoir available in Tesco for fans of The One Show, where he details this injury?
Yes his first one's out, it's called 'Jenasis'.
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When is he ready to be selected? With around 16 games left hope he gets 10 to 12 or so matches and some full minutes this season.
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When is he ready to be selected? With around 16 games left hope he gets 10 to 12 or so matches and some full minutes this season.
Emery said he hoped he'd be training with the first team in the next week or two. I would guess he's going to need a few weeks and some U23 games to get his match fitness up, so realistically mid-April perhaps? That would still give him ten games to play.
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Would be great to have him for 10 games to end this season.
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I think I read in the Mail (I just had a quick look in the shop) that he’s training with the team this week.
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'bout time this fella got off his arse and got himself fit I think. Come on Diego, pull your finger out.
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'bout time this fella got off his arse and got himself fit I think. Come on Diego, pull your finger out.
Is this serious?
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What do you think?
But the guy has had a lot of free time while recovering from injury so I hope if he was quizzed on Brum History & Culture, he'd have learned enough anout his new home in 6 months to hit the 50% pass rate.
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'bout time this fella got off his arse and got himself fit I think. Come on Diego, pull your finger out.
Is this serious?
Christ.
Do you really think he's being serious?
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I think I read in the Mail (I just had a quick look in the shop)
*subscriber alert*
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I think I read in the Mail (I just had a quick look in the shop)
*subscriber alert*
Yeah, that's what we used to say about "Men Only" back in the day.
No one's buying it, but many are having a crafty peek in W.H. Smiths.
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I think I read in the Mail (I just had a quick look in the shop)
*subscriber alert*
Yeah, that's what we used to say about "Men Only" back in the day.
No one's buying it, but many are having a crafty peek in W.H. Smiths.
Haha, very good chaps. It beats trying to read their awful website anyway, although Asda security have been clamping down on it recently.
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Tim Vickery:
"Terry Butcher played three World Cups without any mistakes. He was much better than people gave him credit for; Diego Carlos has those moments where he is the king of the hill, but I worry about the mistakes.
It was a couple of years ago that a Brazilian journalist, based in Spain, brought my attention to Diego Carlos and said ‘I think this is the best Brazilian centre-back in Spain, have a look at him’
My conclusion, and he won the Olympic gold medal as well, is that we may be dealing with a centre-back who may look better than he is.
I worry about Diego Carlos. There are moments when he looks classy, but there are lots of mistakes and wild man things.”
I think he alternates when he’s classy and imperious, with howlers when he is reckless – he’s really proactive and may well pick up cards,”
Sounds not to dissimilar to Mings in being classy but a mistake in him as well as the cards.
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Sevilla had a pretty decent defensive record last year for someone who has a mistake in them.
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Sevilla had a pretty decent defensive record last year for someone who has a mistake in them.
They had two quality central defenders; the one Diego played alongside, Kounde is top quality and went to Barca for 50m in the summer.
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Sevilla had a pretty decent defensive record last year for someone who has a mistake in them.
They had two quality central defenders; the one Diego played alongside, Kounde is top quality and went to Barca for 50m in the summer.
I see Kounde make heaps of mistakes now. When it was Sevilla it was always Carlos as a loose cannon.
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Carlos and Mings are very similar in age - sounds like they are quite similar in style?
I'd consider selling Konsa in the summer (hard to say how much he would fetch. He's only 25 with a ton of PL experience now - £20m?) and bring in a centre-back in a good age bracket (22-27) who is comfortable on the ball as well as off it. Not sure who that is but presumably he will cost north of £50m.
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Carlos and Mings are very similar in age - sounds like they are quite similar in style?
I'd consider selling Konsa in the summer (hard to say how much he would fetch. He's only 25 with a ton of PL experience now - £20m?) and bring in a centre-back in a good age bracket (22-27) who is comfortable on the ball as well as off it. Not sure who that is but presumably he will cost north of £50m.
The scouting clearly had a remit to statistically move for a similar player who had a higher pedigree. That being played in Chamipons League, played and won for Brazil. Worried now it was too basic.
But is he going to be better than Mings?
Lets have him and Mings together to see how that works. I'm sure Carlos can play both sides of defence and will do more good than harm.
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But is he going to be better than Mings?
Carlos needs to be better than Konsa first, as he has been the poorest of the two CBs this season. Like other shave said, it might be time to sell one and buy an upgrade in the £50m bracket.
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But is he going to be better than Mings?
Carlos needs to be better than Konsa first, as he has been the poorest of the two CBs this season. Like other shave said, it might be time to sell one and buy an upgrade in the £50m bracket.
When playing in France Carlos once in error tripped over a ref and was sent off. Was eventually rescinded and ref was actually banned for 6 months as he kicked out at Carlos after.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SoccerAM/status/952828911402016770/mediaViewer?currentTweet=952828911402016770¤tTweetUser=SoccerAM
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Ha! Sort that link out, Footy, I want to see it. Six months? First time I've laughed since Saturday lunchtime.
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Ha! Sort that link out, Footy, I want to see it. Six months? First time I've laughed since Saturday lunchtime.
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I thought some of our refs were bad. He's running alongside him and then cuts across his path. Donkey.
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Video not available, Footy. No worries, I found it. Ref got a 3 month ban but then retired. No doubt VAR would claim Carlos pushed him in the back first.
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That is funny!
https://twitter.com/socceram/status/952828911402016770?s=46&t=pbWBpu7vZblnW6kVX48W8A
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That is funny!
https://twitter.com/socceram/status/952828911402016770?s=46&t=pbWBpu7vZblnW6kVX48W8A
He never reffed again after that.
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That's the quality of dickhead we're dealing with when it comes to refs I'm afraid.
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That is funny!
https://twitter.com/socceram/status/952828911402016770?s=46&t=pbWBpu7vZblnW6kVX48W8A
He never reffed again after that.
He seemed a very angry person
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Perhaps on the bench today wasn't involved on the 6-4 vs Sunderland yesterday with the under 21s...
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Latest is that won't be involved against Palace.
"Diego Carlos is training with us every day; some days he is resting, other days training and we’re trying to deal with him progressively in his adaptation. He is not ready tomorrow..."
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Going by the comments in Emery's press conference, it sounds like he might be on the bench on Sunday.
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Going by the comments in Emery's press conference, it sounds like he might be on the bench on Sunday.
That would be lovely. I think the estimates were March and he's been running for a while, so hopefully.
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Going by the comments in Emery's press conference, it sounds like he might be on the bench on Sunday.
That would be lovely. I think the estimates were March and he's been running for a while, so hopefully.
Exciting news to have Carlos included in the sqaud great to have him back.
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Going by the comments in Emery's press conference, it sounds like he might be on the bench on Sunday.
That would be lovely. I think the estimates were March and he's been running for a while, so hopefully.
bump. saw he was on the dubai trip last month, and he was light running on a treadmill at bodymoor (but in some kind of pressure chamber?)
fingers crossed he will be back before the end of the season.
All the rumours around right now are that he'll be in full training early next month so I wouldn't be surprised if we see him on the bench by the end of Feb if things keep going to plan.
I wasn't far off, should get 10-12 appearances in before the end of the season from here.
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Great news! Diego on his way back. UE also said Kamara's injury isn't serious and could be back in two weeks!
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Great news! Diego on his way back. UE also said Kamara's injury isn't serious and could be back in two weeks!
That is great news
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Happy 30th birthday, Diego Carlos!
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1635914227230842881
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We never saw his best years :'(
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Yet to come.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/24/villa-host-bristol-rovers-in-friendly/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/24/villa-host-bristol-rovers-in-friendly/)
Aston Villa played a friendly against Bristol Rovers at Bodymoor Heath on Friday afternoon.
A mix of first-team and Academy players featured as Unai Emery’s squad gained important minutes during the international break.
Diego Carlos continued his comeback from injury by playing 67 minutes of the contest, which began well for Villa when Ezri Konsa hit the crossbar seven minutes in.
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How did it end and did we have two keepers on the bench?
Edit: we got battered 3-1. Emery out
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There we go again putting out a weakened side. Will our manager never learn?
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There we go again putting out a weakened side. Will our manager never learn?
By the time we replace him with Joey Barton it will probably be too late. :(
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I'm told Carlos played 67 minutes of the friendly today.
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the website told me that too
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How did it end and did we have two keepers on the bench?
Edit: we got battered 3-1. Emery out
Exactly! Emery really does struggle with the lower league teams.
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How did it end and did we have two keepers on the bench?
Edit: we got battered 3-1. Emery out
Was Bogarde allowed to play for them?
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How did it end and did we have two keepers on the bench?
Edit: we got battered 3-1. Emery out
Was Bogarde allowed to play for them?
I think he would have been away with the Dutch U21's or a lower age group. He wasn't involved.
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https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2023/march/villa-rovers-match-report/?fbclid=IwAR2hElHwF6ebykdUUtcFd8Wy8_bjpIxeFoat5gzWd-XIbegwu96n-rOTbWI
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What was our full team, that report only gives the Brizzle buggers? Matt Maher at the Express And Star should be all over this.
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What was our full team, that report only gives the Brizzle buggers? Matt Maher at the Express And Star should be all over this.
Watkins Raikhy
Moreno Dendoncker Chambers Young
Digne Mings Carlos Konsa
Wright
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Happy 30th birthday, Diego Carlos!
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1635914227230842881
The last injury prone player who turned 30 soon after joining turned out ok.
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What was our full team, that report only gives the Brizzle buggers? Matt Maher at the Express And Star should be all over this.
Watkins Raikhy
Moreno Dendoncker Chambers Young
Digne Mings Carlos Konsa
Wright
Pretty mixed up team, then.
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
Well this is maybe the first chance we've had at playing a freindly since he's been back to training. Does it really matter?
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
Saved putting a 3rd keeper on the bench
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
Well this is maybe the first chance we've had at playing a freindly since he's been back to training. Does it really matter?
Surely the way Unai works the earlier he is involved in tactical sessions / preparation the better. Hence also why he doesn't just put a kid on the bench to fill it with no intention to use them.
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Lsvilla stop this logical nonsense. Anyway I thought we played in PL2 or something where he could have had a game?
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Of course being in the squad for training is good, it just means that our matchday bench of players who stand a realistic chance of coming on is about 4 or 5 at the moment. Just highlights there's quite a bit of work to do in the summer.
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
get him involved in the match day experience of Emery
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Of course being in the squad for training is good, it just means that our matchday bench of players who stand a realistic chance of coming on is about 4 or 5 at the moment. Just highlights there's quite a bit of work to do in the summer.
Depends how many of the loan players will figure in Emery's plans.
I've got us down as buying a replacement for Olsen, one for Digne, a centre midfielder, a winger and a striker.
With Archer and Iroegbunam coming back into the squad with us selling Bailey, Dendonker and Traore.
Question mark over Coutinho and whether we integrate Aaron Ramsey or loan him out again.
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
He played 67 minutes yesterday and could probably have played similar if asked for the first team? Lots of first team players were involved yesterday?
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Question mark over Coutinho and whether we integrate Aaron Ramsey or loan him out again.
No question mark over Coutinho IMO, he has to take the journey of love back to a Brazilian club come end of the season.
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What was the point of having Carlos in the squad recently if he’s only just back to actually playing friendlies?
He played 67 minutes yesterday and could probably have played similar if asked for the first team? Lots of first team players were involved yesterday?
Extremely unlikely he’d have been thrown into a game with no minutes whatsoever under his belt, after such a long time out.
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It does then open a space for a top wide player while still having the options of playing McGinn, Ramsey J and Buendia in advanced midfield positions with 4 out-and-out forwards to choose from if we sign a top striker (Watkins, new guy, Duran and Archer).
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https://twitter.com/TylerHinsley1/status/1662208484774154240?t=lEMeTlitSixqFIXFpyOh-w&s=19
I like this song!
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Concert Square that. Where the European away fans congregate and serenade the locals.
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Has he got a future here do you think? Has the whole summer to get in peak condition for the new season, I hope he will be like a new signing.
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With the extra games, most def.
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Has he got a future here do you think? Has the whole summer to get in peak condition for the new season, I hope he will be like a new signing.
Will play loads in europa so that will be a good way to get his match fitness up as Konsa-Mings has been insane last three months so suddenly that's a much lower position to attempt to upgrade than it was in January.
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Good point, I forgot we have the extra games now.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Pau Torres so that we've got 4 quality options at centre back. If ever we lost Mings for a long spell, we would be screwed.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Pau Torres so that we've got 4 quality options at centre back. If ever we lost Mings for a long spell, we would be screwed.
I hope so. In Championship Manager 99/00, I always liked to have four good CBs in my squad. Proof enough that we could do with another.
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Interesting to see what will happen with DC as he barely been used having coming back from a long injury.
I wonder if he can be used in the team if Monchi signs as he's familiar with him
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Interesting to see what will happen with DC as he barely been used having coming back from a long injury.
I wonder if he can be used in the team if Monchi signs as he's familiar with him
Why would us employing a new head of recruitment (or whatever title he wants) have any impact on whether DC is fit enough to play for us after most of a season out injured? These are the sort of weird tangents you go on that annoy some people on here, you're trying to create links between completely unrelated things.
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Interesting to see what will happen with DC as he barely been used having coming back from a long injury.
I wonder if he can be used in the team if Monchi signs as he's familiar with him
Why would us employing a new head of recruitment (or whatever title he wants) have any impact on whether DC is fit enough to play for us after most of a season out injured? These are the sort of weird tangents you go on that annoy some people on here, you're trying to create links between completely unrelated things.
Well Monchi sold him to Villa so will know him and be interesting that's all.
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Interesting to see what will happen with DC as he barely been used having coming back from a long injury.
I wonder if he can be used in the team if Monchi signs as he's familiar with him
Why would us employing a new head of recruitment (or whatever title he wants) have any impact on whether DC is fit enough to play for us after most of a season out injured? These are the sort of weird tangents you go on that annoy some people on here, you're trying to create links between completely unrelated things.
Well Monchi sold him to Villa so will know him and be interesting that's all.
Monchi will know him but it won't make any difference if he's not fully recovered from the injury. He didn't play much because we didn't need him to and it wasn't worth risking him to get more minutes into his legs early instead of realy focusing him on pre-season. Being around the squad for training, tactics sessions and on matchday will have got him used to how Emery works though, so that side of things, which comes with less risk of re-injury, was done over the last couple of months.
If he gets game in pre-season and is in the mix come the start of the season it'll be because he's fit enough to do so and has done enough in training to earn the chance, Monchi will have nothing to do with it
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Fair point to the above. But it's funny how these things are connected. Like 6 degrees of separation.
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Is this “out injured” bit still current, old or new news?
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Need to change the thread title tbf
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Well he still ain't match-fit.
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Going by the benchmark testing from the first day of training (video on OS), it still looks like they're being careful with him. Didn't look as though he did all the same tests and seemed to be doing more bike work than the others.
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Maybe it's just the way they've shot the video, and taken the pics, but he looks massive.
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Going by the benchmark testing from the first day of training (video on OS), it still looks like they're being careful with him. Didn't look as though he did all the same tests and seemed to be doing more bike work than the others.
Thank you OCD 😁
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Have they brought them back in alphabetical order?
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Have they brought them back in alphabetical order?
Are you OCD as well?
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Have they brought them back in alphabetical order?
Are you OCD as well?
Not been diagnosed but......
I was just wondering why there only seemed to be a few of them and then I realised they're all B, C, D surnames, I think? No sign of Coutinho there if that is the case.
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Carlos was blowing hard at the end of that run as well.
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I’m not surprised. It’s the first day of preseason.
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Players are still expected to maintain a good fitness level. The others looked like they hadn't been away.
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Side note - those training tops are nice. Be more inclined to buy one of them than the new jersey.
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Have they brought them back in alphabetical order?
Are you OCD as well?
Not been diagnosed but......
I was just wondering why there only seemed to be a few of them and then I realised they're all B, C, D surnames, I think? No sign of Coutinho there if that is the case.
Konsa was there. Just a hunch but maybe they were called back early for additional fitness training. Cash only got back towards the end of the season.
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Players are still expected to maintain a good fitness level. The others looked like they hadn't been away.
They also hadn’t been out for around 6-9 months. Give the guy a break.
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https://twitter.com/ArchivoAVFC/status/1677439501906395136 Pah, OCD probably does 150kg min. :)
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They're all no reps.
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They're all no reps.
You've lost me, I haven't been in a gym since 1989.
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Hips stay north of his knees. Likely because of his injury, but its not a full squat as a result.
Shifting 130kg there pretty reasonably though, albeit with a Smith Machine.
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https://twitter.com/ArchivoAVFC/status/1677439501906395136 Pah, OCD probably does 150kg min. :)
180kg for 5 and 145kg for 12 this morning. Ads would be calling no rep on me too though as I can't get to 90 degrees :).
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Hips stay north of his knees. Likely because of his injury, but its not a full squat as a result.
Shifting 130kg there pretty reasonably though, albeit with a Smith Machine.
Full ROM is not really how athletes mostly train but I agree the depth looks a bit in no man's land. T&F athletes (and other runners) predominantly do half/quarter squats as it translates better to the requirements of their individual sports. Training specificity and all that.
I expect his physio wants to see some explosiveness on the concentric with good hip extension and it looks pretty good from that perspective.
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https://twitter.com/ArchivoAVFC/status/1677439501906395136 Pah, OCD probably does 150kg min. :)
180kg for 5 and 145kg for 12 this morning. Ads would be calling no rep on me too though as I can't get to 90 degrees :).
How are your knees nowadays?
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No problem with the knees. I had to have my ankles reconstructed a few years ago so given the amount of metal in my ankles, I've got very poor ankle mobility.
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Well, there you go. I was absolutely sure you got shiny, new knees some years back!
With reconstructed ankles I suppose it was ligaments? What happened?
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I wish there was an interesting story behind. The truth is that I don't know and the consultants were never able to tell me definitively what it was.
I was getting a lot of ankle sprains playing football and my physio advised me to get a referral for an MRI scan. At first it was just my left ankle, the foot was landing more and more in a sprain position.
In all the various tests they ran, they couldn't diagnose it. They considered Charcot Marie Tooth Syndrome (CMT) but there wasn't any nerve damage. It's likely though that it was some neurological disorder that I genetically inherited.
I was advised to have a reconstruction that would change the shape of my foot and lower the arch of my foot.
Then in the follow-up appointments, we recognised that the same thing was starting to happen in my right foot. And they recommended that I then had that foot reconstructed so that there would be less arthritis in the foot by doing it before it got much worse.
It's about 8 years on and the only difference it makes to daily life is that I'm just slower going downstairs because I can't point my toes down. Every step is with a flat foot.
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There's a video up on YouTube of them training yesterday. He seems to be doing everything everyone else is doing so fingers crossed he's fully fit and ready to go.
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Did you see how poor he was for the Walsall goal - he looked like a pub player his jump was so badly timed.
I remember him looking like that at Bournemouth last year but gave him the benefit of the doubt as was new to the league etc.
The highlights of the Walsall gave were crap so anyone there can tell me he is the world beater most thought hewas?
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That was possibly his first game back since his very long lay off so he's was always going to be a bit rusty.
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Did you see how poor he was for the Walsall goal - he looked like a pub player his jump was so badly timed.
I remember him looking like that at Bournemouth last year but gave him the benefit of the doubt as was new to the league etc.
The highlights of the Walsall gave were crap so anyone there can tell me he is the world beater most thought hewas?
Impossible to tell one way or another from a friendly against a 4th division team mate.
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I appreciate the opposition but still some questions like
Does he have any pace?
Was he looking comfortable on the ball?
Did he get stuck in?
He has a great passing reputation - any evidence of it?
How were any other ariel challenges?
Just the basics
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Well, firstly give the bloke a chance. He may not prove to be good enough to get in the team ahead of other players but I wouldn’t leap to any conclusions yet. Secondly, now we’ve seen some better form and better consistency from Konsa and Mings and we’ve signed Torres I’m not going to get too worried about it anyway. I just wish the bloke all the best in getting up to full fitness so that he can continue his career.
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I had a link for the game, though given it was not a compelling encounter I can't say I was glued to it and taking notes.
Walsall were happy to sit in, and not especially expansive in possession other than the last few minutes and he was off at that point. So, he was not tested for pace. When we had the ball they did not press aggressively, rather they filled spaces trying to block passing lanes, they did not drop deep.
They had a physical unit playing at 9 (possibly a trialist) and he handled him pretty well - trying to nick the ball in front a few times, which did prompt me to think that could be a risk if he tried it against more accomplished players.
He maybe lost out once or twice, though I think they were (borderline) fouls. The ref was favouring Walsall in any decisions - including being over-indulgent with one numpty that came on for them, No. 16, who was charging around crashing into players which is not the 'done thing' in a pre-season friendly.
He was paired with Feeney, so as the more senior pro, he attempted more of the progressive, forward passes. One or two early on were overhit, but he did make some good, precise passes into the likes of Buendia and Watkins.
Though for the most part, as Luiz was playing with him, Dougie dropped deep to start attacks rather than either CB bringing it out.
We went longer into Watkins than was the case for the second-half of last season, though I thought it was more purposeful than the stuff with Gerard, i.e., less of a ball into a channel for Watkins to chase in hope - though that might be me giving credit to Emery.
I thought he did OK, without being spectacular. Though given the opposition and the balance of play it was probably tough for a CB to look more than assured/competent. UTV
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Can we delete the (out injured) thread suffix? Tsk, as Baad-ass English would say.
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I had a link for the game, though given it was not a compelling encounter I can't say I was glued to it and taking notes.
Walsall were happy to sit in, and not especially expansive in possession other than the last few minutes and he was off at that point. So, he was not tested for pace. When we had the ball they did not press aggressively, rather they filled spaces trying to block passing lanes, they did not drop deep.
They had a physical unit playing at 9 (possibly a trialist) and he handled him pretty well - trying to nick the ball in front a few times, which did prompt me to think that could be a risk if he tried it against more accomplished players.
He maybe lost out once or twice, though I think they were (borderline) fouls. The ref was favouring Walsall in any decisions - including being over-indulgent with one numpty that came on for them, No. 16, who was charging around crashing into players which is not the 'done thing' in a pre-season friendly.
He was paired with Feeney, so as the more senior pro, he attempted more of the progressive, forward passes. One or two early on were overhit, but he did make some good, precise passes into the likes of Buendia and Watkins.
Though for the most part, as Luiz was playing with him, Dougie dropped deep to start attacks rather than either CB bringing it out.
We went longer into Watkins than was the case for the second-half of last season, though I thought it was more purposeful than the stuff with Gerard, i.e., less of a ball into a channel for Watkins to chase in hope - though that might be me giving credit to Emery.
I thought he did OK, without being spectacular. Though given the opposition and the balance of play it was probably tough for a CB to look more than assured/competent. UTV
Thanks, Russ, for this insightful summary.
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There's an article in The Atlantic entitled something like "what did Aston Villa learn from 60 minutes of Diego Carlos". I can't read it though, so no idea what we learned.
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As Aston Villa finally made their way onto Walsall’s pitch to warm up on Saturday, just 19 minutes before the traffic-induced delayed kick-off, Diego Carlos stopped briefly to tie his shoelaces.
Carlos had waited a long time to be in a Villa starting line-up so a few more seconds were hardly going to hurt. And the delay offered a chance to four Walsall mascots, passing in a square nearby, to converge around the Brazilian, who took it all in good humour.
It wasn’t just the mascots who were pleased to see Carlos. Villa supporters behind the goal immediately started to sing his name, and kept it up for much of the afternoon.
Perhaps it is cliched to say Carlos’ clean bill of health has the guise of a new signing, yet the enthusiasm of his presence certainly suggested a bubbling excitement.
Carlos was on the pitch for over an hour, possibly significant in the grander picture of his Villa career. Since August, he had only played 25 minutes, having ruptured his Achilles tendon and subsequently missed 23 Premier League games and seven months of last season. Signed for £26million from Sevilla and representing an acquisition of meaningful pedigree to then-manager Steven Gerrard — in a similar way Pau Torres does to Unai Emery – Carlos’ time in England has been one of endurance rather than immediate reward.
A return to fitness in March coincided with Villa’s best run of form and seven straight wins at home. The bedrock of success came through greater defensive solidity and a partnership re-established between Ezri Konsa and Tyrone Mings. It meant Carlos could not regain his starting place, remaining on the bench for 11 of the 12 games he was available for. During that time, Villa conceded just seven times.
Tellingly, when Villa did eventually line up at the Poundland Stadium — following a bizarre series of events where Walsall were ready for kick-off while their counterparts were still doing set-play walkthroughs at the other end — Carlos was at right centre-back, with 18-year-old Josh Feeney on the left. It may indicate Emery’s intentions to move Carlos across permanently, given Torres and Tyrone Mings are natural left-footers.
The 30-year-old largely played on the left at Sevilla, gaining plaudits for performing the meat-and-potatoes aspects of defending while staying secure in possession. Only occasionally would he open up his passing range when playing long, raking diagonals out to the right winger on the opposite side.
Illustrated in the extent of Emery’s admiration for Torres, the Spaniard’s build-up methods necessitate refined centre-backs, capable of staying on the ball and making line-breaking passes. Akin to Brighton & Hove Albion’s success under Roberto De Zerbi, Emery asks players in deeper positions to put their studs on the ball, wanting to coax opposition sides to press before exploiting the space left. This, naturally, means confidence, courage and technical proficiency is required.
Left-footed centre-backs are prized because they have the ability to open up different passing lanes and generally provide a variation to build-up play. Torres, as outlined by The Athletic, is a major upgrade to anything else Villa have in this department.
Last season, the 26-year-old ranked in the top four per cent of centre-backs from Europe’s top five leagues for progressive passes (5.81 per 90 minutes) and in the top one per cent for progressive carries (2.24 per 90 minutes). For context, Konsa was in the bottom four per cent and 10 per cent for both, being more inclined to take safer options alongside Mings.
Smarterscout data, which gives players a series of ratings from zero and 99 relating to either how often a player performs a given stylistic action or how effective they are at it, highlights Carlos as more progressive than Konsa, but less so than Mings, who himself ranked in the 49th percentile for progressive passes last season (3.17 per 90), meaning 51 per cent of defenders were better forward passers. Torres, however, is far ahead of them all.
Carlos ranked 33/99 for progressive passes at Sevilla, indicating he was a reliable but usually conservative passer.
But against Walsall, there were small signs of Carlos wanting to take greater responsibility in possession. He was tasked with playing through the lines and on occasion, did so to good effect. Carlos recognised Walsall’s narrow 3-5-2 system meant the spare player tended to be Emiliano Buendia, drifting into the right No 10 position with Aaron Ramsey tucking in from the opposite side.
Carlos’ first adventurous pass came 13 minutes in, when an attempted crossfield ball to an overlapping Lucas Digne went out of play.
Without possession, Villa squeezed typically high, condensing the space between units and Carlos, as the senior figure in defence, talking to Feeney throughout.
Walsall’s goal came from a corner after successive errors from Villa’s centre-backs. Carlos initially missed the header from the inswinging delivery, failing to get contact to divert the ball away from danger. With little time to react, Feeney’s deflection at the back post fell into the path of Danny Johnson six yards out.
The second half gave Emery more of an insight into Carlos’ tendency to deliver incisive passes under pressure. Having moved across to his favoured left side following the introduction of Konsa, Walsall invited Villa into making the first pass into central midfield, before attempting to press.
Carlos grew in composure, playing through Walsall’s traps and ended up driving forward with the ball himself. Defensively, Carlos held his position, catching runners offside and taking high and aggressive starting positions which should, in theory, aid Emery’s attempts to make Villa a better counter-pressing side.
Those small signs of promise should only grow as Villa’s pre-season preparations ramp up and Carlos attempts to elevate himself up the order within Emery’s pool of centre-backs.
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Can we delete the (out injured) thread suffix? Tsk, as Baad-ass English would say.
This is what you get from reading the Beano, the Dandy, Whizzer and Chips et al when a nipper.
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It's a great expression and "I'm here for that" as some young people say.
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Nice little run out but he's a bit reckless as shown previously before he came here
I'm not convinced by his passing ability and Tim Vickey had questioned his ability on the ball previously.
Good to have him back playing though and an option.
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How did he do last night?
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He won some headers.
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He won some headers.
Big D 8)
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How did he do last night?
confirmed that he's big, quick, strong and looks fucking great. He's coming along nicely. Remember highly thought of he was in Spain before he joined us. The injury shouldn't change our perception of him. He's going to be really good if can get back to 100% health.
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I thought his passing was quite poor last night. Gave it away a few times.
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I like the bit where he made Vinicius look like a rag doll and was rewarded with Warnock calling him an adonis, that's the sort of raw strength we don't have enough of in the squad.
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I thought his passing was quite poor last night. Gave it away a few times.
yeh, he did once or twice. The conditions were awful especially early on so it wasn't just him.
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I thought his passing was quite poor last night. Gave it away a few times.
yeh, he did once or twice. The conditions were awful especially early on so it wasn't just him.
Yep, both teams played a few ropey passes in the first 20-25minutes so I think it was just a tough game to play. The amount of sweat through the shirts by the first drinks break was alarming as well, I doubt we'll play a game in that sort of heat and humidity again all season.
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I like the bit where he made Vinicius look like a rag doll and was rewarded with Warnock calling him an adonis, that's the sort of raw strength we don't have enough of in the squad.
Nice.
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I like the bit where he made Vinicius look like a rag doll and was rewarded with Warnock calling him an adonis that's the sort of raw strength we don't have enough of in the squad.
Like Emery and instead of a brute, I much like a player who is delicate in touch and is adept with the ball. Brutes on the other hand are poorly disciplined and award too many fouls.
The English have always had some desire for the pyhsical as seen by Gerrard but under Emery, we are more interested in players like Pau Torres. There's no need to always asking to engage in all this physical force in football it doesn't win things.
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Only watched on the tv, but I thought his defending was much improved over Sunday. His passing was not quite where it needs to be, but he'll improve.
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Yeah, I thought the same. His passing wasn't great. Mind you, the passing in general was mostly average last night.
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I like the bit where he made Vinicius look like a rag doll and was rewarded with Warnock calling him an adonis that's the sort of raw strength we don't have enough of in the squad.
Like Emery and instead of a brute, I much like a player who is delicate in touch and is adept with the ball. Brutes on the other hand are poorly disciplined and award too many fouls.
The English have always had some desire for the pyhsical as seen by Gerrard but under Emery, we are more interested in players like Pau Torres. There's no need to always asking to engage in all this physical force in football it doesn't win things.
It's probably a mixture of finesse and a brute is ideal in a CB partnership. Ferdinand and Vidic come to mind. Even Guardiola last season went for four physically strong defenders and dropped likes of Laporte and Cancelo . PL defending does require physical power, let's not forget how cloggers like Kieffer Moore bullied us on the opening day last season. A back 4 of Cash/Konsa/Torres/Digne would be rinsed at PL time defending set pieces. We need Mings in there until such time as the others prove they are better, they won't is my punt.
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Only watched on the tv, but I thought his defending was much improved over Sunday. His passing was not quite where it needs to be, but he'll improve.
Yeah, I thought the same. His passing wasn't great. Mind you, the passing in general was mostly average last night.
He's not noted for his distribution. I do wonder how much he fits Emery style.
I remember once posting Tim Vickery comments.
Vickery is a South American expert pundit who especially strong on commentating on Brazilian players.
"He is maybe a Terry Butcher in reverse. One of those centre-backs that looks better than he is. Terry Butcher played three World Cups without any mistakes. He was much better than people gave him credit for. – Diego Carlos has those moments where he is the king of the hill, but I worry about the mistakes.”
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I like the bit where he made Vinicius look like a rag doll and was rewarded with Warnock calling him an adonis that's the sort of raw strength we don't have enough of in the squad.
Like Emery and instead of a brute, I much like a player who is delicate in touch and is adept with the ball. Brutes on the other hand are poorly disciplined and award too many fouls.
The English have always had some desire for the pyhsical as seen by Gerrard but under Emery, we are more interested in players like Pau Torres. There's no need to always asking to engage in all this physical force in football it doesn't win things.
He's not a fucking brute, do you even think before you post such utter bollocks?
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I like the bit where he made Vinicius look like a rag doll and was rewarded with Warnock calling him an adonis that's the sort of raw strength we don't have enough of in the squad.
Like Emery and instead of a brute, I much like a player who is delicate in touch and is adept with the ball. Brutes on the other hand are poorly disciplined and award too many fouls.
The English have always had some desire for the pyhsical as seen by Gerrard but under Emery, we are more interested in players like Pau Torres. There's no need to always asking to engage in all this physical force in football it doesn't win things.
He's not a fucking brute, do you even think before you post such utter bollocks?
Were Olof Melberg and Martin Laursen brutes? Of the Viking persuasion?
FV has subjected most of our pre-Emery players to his critique and found them deficient in myriad ways. If they are not wassailing they are engaging in lewdness, swinging the lead or slow on the uptake. Now we have brutes.
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I quite like a big brute. You don't want a team full of em, but you do need one or two.
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Wassailing Lewdness - African Car Reverser's comeback, if he has any sense.
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What's the craic with this chap - missing again tonight, is he finished with us? A lot of money on fee and wages, even if fit do we really need him?
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What's the craic with this chap - missing again tonight, is he finished with us? A lot of money on fee and wages, even if fit do we really need him?
No idea, he's just back from a long term injury so happy to wait and see before getting into unfounded speculation.
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C'mon, speculation, founded or otherwise, is allowed in Roscommon, surely...what else you gonna do there? ;)
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C'mon, speculation, founded or otherwise, is allowed in Roscommon, surely...what else you gonna do there? ;)
Steal sheep, obviously.
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C'mon, speculation, founded or otherwise, is allowed in Roscommon, surely...what else you gonna do there? ;)
We've got an 11th century castle and an Abbey of similar age and a few good pubs, not to mention the thousands of sheep! You're always welcome Eamonn I'll show you around. Dublin in 90 minutes.
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C'mon, speculation, founded or otherwise, is allowed in Roscommon, surely...what else you gonna do there? ;)
I'll be locking my door and windows ad I drive through heor next week!
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C'mon, speculation, founded or otherwise, is allowed in Roscommon, surely...what else you gonna do there? ;)
I'll be locking my door and windows ad I drive through heor next week!
You'll still be able to smell the slurry.
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Slight knock in training. No issues. Should be available for next weekend
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Think he could be sold. Monchi could work his magic. Unfortunately hasn't got over his injury which is a tough one and doesn't seem to have the required ability on ball and lacks pace.
Tim Vickery called him Terry Butcher in reverse.
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Loan somewhere perhaps?
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Like everyone else, I havent seen much of him but from the little I have, he doesnt seem to lack either pace or ability on the ball. He just hasnt played enough to settle yet.
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Chambers has played really well when called on in the pre-season games, so look likes he’ll be 4th choice centre back and second choice right back. I think Carlos will be off.
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Chambers has played really well when called on in the pre-season games, so look likes he’ll be 4th choice centre back and second choice right back. I think Carlos will be off.
I'd say you are right. We hardly bought Carlos to be fourth choice CB and he's clearly struggling to get up to speed since his injury. Season long loan back to Spain I suspect.
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Like everyone else, I havent seen much of him but from the little I have, he doesnt seem to lack either pace or ability on the ball. He just hasnt played enough to settle yet.
Even before Emery came he wasn't the player signed to play out from the back and his distribution leaves a lot to be desired.
I hope he can be utilised if Emery sees fit but I wouldn't be bothered if he was sold on. He clearly knows how to defend but need more than that from a football in Emery system. Can he cope with the high line we play? I'm not so sure. We need everyone up to speed pronto. No room for hangers on at the top end.
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Loan somewhere perhaps?
A big sale to Saudi League would be great.
Suits all parties. He would do well there and gives him games.
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Loan somewhere perhaps?
A big sale to Saudi League would be great.
Suits all parties. He would do well there and gives him games.
Bollocks to helping prop that league up. I hope DC settles in and does well here.
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Like everyone else, I havent seen much of him but from the little I have, he doesnt seem to lack either pace or ability on the ball. He just hasnt played enough to settle yet.
Even before Emery came he wasn't the player signed to play out from the back and his distribution leaves a lot to be desired.
I hope he can be utilised if Emery sees fit but I wouldn't be bothered if he was sold on. He clearly knows how to defend but need more than that from a football in Emery system. Can he cope with the high line we play? I'm not so sure. We need everyone up to speed pronto. No room for hangers on at the top end.
I think Stevie G made it clear he was signing him to play out from the back. Whether he can do that I think is very hard to judge, after a couple of half games in pre season, plus, what 2.5 games or less of premier league football.
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https://sportwitness.co.uk/agent-offered-aston-villas-last-summer-signing-euro-giants-least-e15m-needed/
Let them take Terry Butcher in reverse off our hands.
Though I guess it could be the forces , agents and Italians using Villa name as my theory was that Aston Villa are mentioned far too much by Italian sources yet never appear true.
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Big D is class 8)
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Big D is class 8)
He looked fabulous today
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A monstrous boy. Thought he did a fine Mings impression today.
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Still yet to see him a play a single game for us in which the commentator doesn't call him 'Costa' at some point.
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Still yet to see him a play a single game for us in which the commentator doesn't call him 'Costa' at some point.
To be fair half the posters on here do that!
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Or refer to his muscles/call him Adonis or the like
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How DC get on yesterday? It’s nice to see him playing a couple of games in the space of a few days.
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How DC get on yesterday? It’s nice to see him playing a couple of games in the space of a few days.
He did alright, the whole back line were decent. He'll be a big asset if he stays fit.
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Cool cheers. When I’ve seen him I’m really impressed by his physicality.
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Still yet to see him a play a single game for us in which the commentator doesn't call him 'Costa' at some point.
To be fair half the posters on here do that!
I've done it myself.
Looks like a very good player to me now he is finding his feet. Can see him and Torres making a fine partnership.
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I know we've been concerned about the team's height and their ability to defend set-pieces against physical teams, especially without Mings, but it looks like Emery's answer to that is to play with 3 centre backs. Zaniolo looks like he could help with that as well.
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I know we've been concerned about the team's height and their ability to defend set-pieces against physical teams, especially without Mings, but it looks like Emery's answer to that is to play with 3 centre backs. Zaniolo looks like he could help with that as well.
I don't think that's quite right. I think he sees the need for Carlos to start because he's easily the best in the air of the 3 and compliments Torres well but he also clearly really likes having Konsa in the team so we've tried a couple of options to allow for all 3 but, importantly, it hasn't been going to a back 3 as so many want to suggest.
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Thought he was really solid today, and certainly replaces some of the physicality we’ve lost with Mings. He’s got the potential to be a really imposing and valuable member of the squad as he gets up to speed.
I have a concern about his positioning in the high line though. Was watching this very closely, and he often seemed to be slightly deeper than the other three, and also at times started his run to follow an attacker earlier than the others. Our line is so highly tuned, we might lose this game of inches a few more times than we would with Mings in the line up.
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Is there any news on today's injury? I feel sorry for the lad.
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Saw a quote from Emery that it “wasn’t a big injury”
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Saw a quote from Emery that it “wasn’t a big injury”
Minor compound fracture.
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Saw a quote from Emery that it “wasn’t a big injury”
Minor compound fracture.
Accidental decapitation, out forever.
Our shitty luck.
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Saw a quote from Emery that it “wasn’t a big injury”
Minor compound fracture.
Accidental decapitation, out forever.
Our shitty luck.
To be fair he said that about Emi Martinez and he was right
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He was in his sliders chatting to Allison at the final whistle. No crutches, a boot or even ice.
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I imagine they're not going to take any risks whatsoever with him.
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Thank fuck. We need a break from all these injuries.
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Was he picked for the internationals?
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Was he picked for the internationals?
Dont think so
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Good, the South American games always worry me. Emi has got to play in altitude at La Paz apparently, so knowing our luck will be struck down with altitude sickness or the bends or something!
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Fingers crossed he’s ok. We need his physicality.
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Good, the South American games always worry me. Emi has got to play in altitude at La Paz apparently, so knowing our luck will be struck down with altitude sickness or the bends or something!
Six-month ban for chewing on coca leaves.
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What injury does Carlos actually have? Emery said it's 'not a big injury' is a bit vague.
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Was he picked for the internationals?
He wasn't being selected even before his original injury - he's only ever played Olympic football for Brazil.
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What injury does Carlos actually have? Emery said it's 'not a big injury' is a bit vague.
He's just going in for the amputation now.
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UE said Diego Carlos will return to training next week which is just what we need right now. He can act as a leader of the defence in Tyrone's absence. I'd like to see him in a back 3 alongside Konsa and Torres with Cash and Moreno pushed further forward as wing backs. This formation worked really well at Burnley giving the defence more physicality. Carlos might well make the bench against Everton and return against Brighton.
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UE said Diego Carlos will return to training next week which is just what we need right now. He can act as a leader of the defence in Tyrone's absence. I'd like to see him in a back 3 alongside Konsa and Torres with Cash and Moreno pushed further forward as wing backs. This formation worked really well at Burnley giving the defence more physicality. Carlos might well make the bench against Everton and return against Brighton.
cash is crap as a wing back.
I hate 3 at the back.
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I really don't like seeing us play 3 at the back. I always worry we'll overload the side where the ball is with that sides WB and CB getting sucked in, the 2 other CBs folding in towards the ball and the opposite sides WB open to a 2 on 1 if the ball is switched. It's also more confusing for the midfielders running towards their own goal to know what the CBs are going to do.
4-3-3 or 4-4-2 please
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UE said Diego Carlos will return to training next week which is just what we need right now. He can act as a leader of the defence in Tyrone's absence. I'd like to see him in a back 3 alongside Konsa and Torres with Cash and Moreno pushed further forward as wing backs. This formation worked really well at Burnley giving the defence more physicality. Carlos might well make the bench against Everton and return against Brighton.
cash is crap as a wing back.
I hate 3 at the back.
Seems to do it pretty well against Burnley.
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We played 3 at the back for a lot of last season with Ashley Young effectively being a third centre back to allow Moreno to push on. It's just that nobody thinks of Ash being such.
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We played 3 at the back for a lot of last season with Ashley Young effectively being a third centre back to allow Moreno to push on. It's just that nobody thinks of Ash being such.
yes but it was more a lop sided back 4 as opposed to the 3 centre halves and 2 WB.
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We played 3 at the back for a lot of last season with Ashley Young effectively being a third centre back to allow Moreno to push on. It's just that nobody thinks of Ash being such.
Young was comfortable doing that. Really don't think Konsa would be in a similar role. It's not really looking like Carlos will stay fit either.
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We played 3 at the back for a lot of last season with Ashley Young effectively being a third centre back to allow Moreno to push on. It's just that nobody thinks of Ash being such.
Young was comfortable doing that. Really don't think Konsa would be in a similar role. It's not really looking like Carlos will stay fit either.
Well he might - he’s got a minor hamstring injury after coming back from a horrific long-term problem. It’s hardly indicative of the fact he can’t stay fit longer term.
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UE said Diego Carlos will return to training next week which is just what we need right now. He can act as a leader of the defence in Tyrone's absence. I'd like to see him in a back 3 alongside Konsa and Torres with Cash and Moreno pushed further forward as wing backs. This formation worked really well at Burnley giving the defence more physicality. Carlos might well make the bench against Everton and return against Brighton.
cash is crap as a wing back.
I hate 3 at the back.
Seems to do it pretty well against Burnley.
Played tight-midfield in that game, in front of Konsa at right-back.
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I think Carlos should be in the back line again alongside Konsa and Torres whenever there is a danger of what likes of West Ham bring. Because Torres biggest weaknesses are in the air and his physicality if we have the imposing Carlos alongside them then this helps with the style of West Ham players likes of Soucek, Antonio, Zouma and Aguerd.
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I think Carlos should be in the back line again alongside Konsa and Torres whenever there is a danger of what likes of West Ham bring. Because Torres biggest weaknesses are in the air and his physicality if we have the imposing Carlos alongside them then this helps with the style of West Ham players likes of Soucek, Antonio, Zouma and Aguerd.
I think we'll need Cash at right back going forward against West Ham though, who will sit in tight. I think I'd be resting Carlos for this one.
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I think Carlos should be in the back line again alongside Konsa and Torres whenever there is a danger of what likes of West Ham bring. Because Torres biggest weaknesses are in the air and his physicality if we have the imposing Carlos alongside them then this helps with the style of West Ham players likes of Soucek, Antonio, Zouma and Aguerd.
I think we'll need Cash at right back going forward against West Ham though, who will sit in tight. I think I'd be resting Carlos for this one.
I think one of the fullbacks could not start.
Basically Emery has Konsa and Carlos over this international period and Digne to work with.
I think it's important to have 3 centre backs in this one.
Maybe both fullbacks will be made wingbacks as an option for them to all fit in.
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I think Carlos should be in the back line again alongside Konsa and Torres whenever there is a danger of what likes of West Ham bring. Because Torres biggest weaknesses are in the air and his physicality if we have the imposing Carlos alongside them then this helps with the style of West Ham players likes of Soucek, Antonio, Zouma and Aguerd.
Agreed mate but Konsa is horrid at right back. Bringing Carlos in also means moving Cash and McGinn from their best positions. Think we should take our chances with Torres and keep a better balance in the team.
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The main thing I fear about West Ham is their headed goals.
They scored 5 most in the league.
Emery will be aware of this and he'll have a plan.
He'll also be aware of how West Ham deliberately allow the teams to have a lot of the ball in their final third.
Have every faith whoever he selects and maybe Carlos will come on if he isn't selected.
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I think Footy has indirectly highlighted a problem Emery has, ie who is his first choice central defensive pairing now, and should he be playing Konsa at right back? I don't like Ezri at RB much, it's all a bit similar to O'Neill sticking Mellberg or Cuellar there.
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I think Footy has indirectly highlighted a problem Emery has, ie who is his first choice central defensive pairing now, and should he be playing Konsa at right back? I don't like Ezri at RB much, it's all a bit similar to O'Neill sticking Mellberg or Cuellar there.
Olof, long cross-field hoof to the left wing, right back Mellberg?
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I think Footy has indirectly highlighted a problem Emery has, ie who is his first choice central defensive pairing now, and should he be playing Konsa at right back? I don't like Ezri at RB much, it's all a bit similar to O'Neill sticking Mellberg or Cuellar there.
Konsa is having a great season so far, but I would worry about him at RB up against the pace of Bowen.
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I think Footy has indirectly highlighted a problem Emery has, ie who is his first choice central defensive pairing now, and should he be playing Konsa at right back? I don't like Ezri at RB much, it's all a bit similar to O'Neill sticking Mellberg or Cuellar there.
Konsa is having a great season so far, but I would worry about him at RB up against the pace of Bowen.
Bowen plays on the other side though, so worry no more.
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I would go with a 3-5-2 and Carlos v West Ham .
Torres can step into midfield at times. For me it's essential Carlos plays and set up Cash and Digne fullbacks but 3 centre halves
Can’t see it, whenever we play three centre-halves one of them plays full back.
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I'd play Carlos today for his physicality against this lot
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I would go with a 3-5-2 and Carlos v West Ham .
Torres can step into midfield at times. For me it's essential Carlos plays and set up Cash and Digne fullbacks but 3 centre halves
Can’t see it, whenever we play three centre-halves one of them plays full back.
That's fair point . I rather him not play Torres as any auxiliary left back but Konsa I can just about tolerate.
I'd play Carlos today for his physicality against this lot
And that strength is needed against West Ham in way they play.
Similarly would use him against directness of Luton next week too.
And drop who?
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Going 5-3-2 smells of us setting out to stifle West Ham, when at home we should be going out on the front foot to smash them. 4-4-2 please, with Cash as right back.
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I would go with a 3-5-2 and Carlos v West Ham .
Torres can step into midfield at times. For me it's essential Carlos plays and set up Cash and Digne fullbacks but 3 centre halves
Can’t see it, whenever we play three centre-halves one of them plays full back.
That's fair point . I rather him not play Torres as any auxiliary left back but Konsa I can just about tolerate.
I'd play Carlos today for his physicality against this lot
And that strength is needed against West Ham in way they play.
Similarly would use him against directness of Luton next week too.
And drop who?
Well, if he plays today, he won’t be dropping anybody.
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Lovely to see Dean Smith on Skysports.
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He's solid defensively and offers a good physical and competitive presence; however, I find some of his passing and distribution concerning.
Some of his long game is really off, and even the shorter passes aren't always so good.
Emery will have his use for Carlos, but I want to flag up the concerns about his distribution.
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He's solid defensively and offers a good physical and competitive presence; however, I find some of his passing and distribution concerning.
Some of his long game is really off, and even the shorter passes aren't always so good.
Emery will have his use for Carlos, but I want to flag up the concerns about his distribution.
Give Emery time to work on his game. Diego Carlos is a class defender.
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Keeping eyes on him tonight.
I'll tell you something he often gets opportunities with his head at set plays. So far he hasn't managed to do much other than contact but does seem to be able to get on the end of things.
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Insight ! See above.
I knew he was due one been threatening!
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Delighted after his horrible injury that he got his goal today.
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Delighted after his horrible injury that he got his goal today.
Just hope the latest knock is just a knock though.
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Delighted after his horrible injury that he got his goal today.
True. If you look at his record he's always been a goalscorer. Great to see the reception he got when subbed.
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Delighted after his horrible injury that he got his goal today.
Just hope the latest knock is just a knock though.
Hopefully just a tweak, he walked off fairly normally.
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The big man
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1722761485653590299?s=46
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Does he wear contacts when he plays?
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Delighted after his horrible injury that he got his goal today.
Just hope the latest knock is just a knock though.
Couldn't see it properly as I was in the North Stand, but did he collide with Martinez?
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I thought he looked very good last night. Difficult to break into the team right now but if he can stay fit he's an asset.
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Out of Sunday's game. Made of glass, Concrete Ron II.
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Could be a good thing in a way. There were "rumours" he would look to move in January, but if he can't stay for for more than a few games in a row then he might be perfectly happy staying here. As long as he's fit for the European games we don't need him for the league at the moment.
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Out of Sunday's game. Made of glass, Concrete Ron II.
Quite an apt comment seeing as the original Concrete Ron was introduced to the crowd last night ! I thought Diego sprayed a number of long accurate passes as the game went on in the 2nd half.
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Small knock, so we'll see him in Feb.
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Jeez but he is shite
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Too slow.
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Next scapegoat....
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Looks like it
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He was poor today but so were a few
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Same criticism was levelled at Bailey and Tielemans not that long ago....and now? Give UE some credit! Carlos will improve under this manager.
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Gifted them the first, slow with distribution, positionally poor when it matters. His main problem is that he thinks he’s far better than he actually is. I’m not a fan.
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The problem with playing Konsa at RB is it instantly makes the CB pairing weaker. I reckon Carlos would look alright with Ezri alongside at CB.
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The problem with playing Konsa at RB is it instantly makes the CB pairing weaker. I reckon Carlos would look alright with Ezri alongside at CB.
Carlos doesn't want to play in a high line. Keeps dropping off. Witness how few times we caught them offside today. There was a lot of talk when he joined about how good he was at distributing the ball, no evidence of it so far in a Villa shirt. Runs like he's in treacle. He's piss poor.
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I think Pau and Carlos as a pairing doesn't work. Pau is amazing - and gives us loads going forward - but isn't the best defensively.
Carlos is meant to be a great passer - but haven't seen enough of it to make up for the downgrade of pushing Konsa out right. Maybe Pau & Mings with Konsa on the right would work - but we lose any solidity with Carlos in it team.
Like someone said above - Im sure he'll get better - but currently its not working
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He cannot concentrate for 90 minutes it seems.
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I wouldn’t write him off, he’s essentially a few games into his first season in the league.
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Why play him though? Torres and Konsa are our best pairing in the middle. Emery keeps fucking about with the away line ups then changes things at half time when we’ve played really badly.
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Carlos was very highly rated in Spain. Many clubs looked at signing him. To dismiss him already after a few games is insane.
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Why play him though? Torres and Konsa are our best pairing in the middle. Emery keeps fucking about with the away line ups then changes things at half time when we’ve played really badly.
Well I’m assuming because he’s trying to manage the squad. Cash can’t play all the time - now we have created a problem by not getting adequate support - but until January it is what it is. I’m guessing with Citeh and Arsenal coming up he was trying to rest where he could.
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Carlos was very highly rated in Spain. Many clubs looked at signing him. To dismiss him already after a few games is insane.
He’s not as good as Torres or Konsa so shouldn’t be playing. That back pass for their first was atrocious.
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He needs to play to get back to his best, which we have yet to witness (I hope)
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Why play him though? Torres and Konsa are our best pairing in the middle. Emery keeps fucking about with the away line ups then changes things at half time when we’ve played really badly.
Well I’m assuming because he’s trying to manage the squad. Cash can’t play all the time - now we have created a problem by not getting adequate support - but until January it is what it is. I’m guessing with Citeh and Arsenal coming up he was trying to rest where he could.
That’s my take on it. Emery also said he’s trying to give minutes to other players to help them. It’s a long season and a very busy period. If we don’t use the squad the starting eleven will be knackered.
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I reckon the thinking could be both resting Cash and protecting him being on 4 yellows with the 2 games coming up. Unfortunately it didn't really work.
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Can't believe some of these comments. The fact is Carlos needs to get minutes after a major injury. Uni needs to rotate as we simply can't play the same 11 each game. It's a squad game now, particularly with Europe. To scape goat Carlos for one bad pass is as mad as dropping Kamara after his blind pass that led to the equaliser on Thursday.
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Kamara was suspended, not dropped.
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Obviously I know that. Just saying it's crazy to say Carlos is crap and should not play for a mistake when others make equally important mistakes yet don't get the hate.
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We've got a superior centre half pairing in Konsa and Torres, so why should he be getting minutes? They both played today so it's not like he was resting either of them to accommodate Carlos.
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Why play him though? Torres and Konsa are our best pairing in the middle. Emery keeps fucking about with the away line ups then changes things at half time when we’ve played really badly.
Yep this
Absolutely ridiculous to try keep preserving with something that doesn’t work
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He was clearly resting Cash/trying to avoid another booking though. It’s of our own making, but our squad is deficient at right back. It didn’t work out, but it’s pretty clear he’s trying to manage the squad.
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Why play him though? Torres and Konsa are our best pairing in the middle. Emery keeps fucking about with the away line ups then changes things at half time when we’ve played really badly.
Yep this
Absolutely ridiculous to try keep preserving with something that doesn’t work
Playing RB isn't helping Konsa either. Can see the logic of giving him minutes, but Konsa has become a key player at CB for us.
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It's a back 3 when we're in possession though. There was a great tackle from Konsa.
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He's so hard to assess. He came in with a big reputation, got injured in his 2nd game, was integrated back into the squad exceptionally slowly and has played intermittently since. In fairness to him, it isn't surprising that he lacks rhythm. That said, the first goal was pretty shocking, he compounded the casual pass by chasing the ball and leaving us wide open. He stops tracking Solanke for the chance Emi saved from point blank range too. I was surprised Konsa went off not him.
Keeping the non first teamers sharp and ready must be one of the hardest aspects of building a squad to challenge on multiple fronts and it's showing at the moment for us.
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I think I will put my faith in Uni to choose when and where Carlos should play. It's a difficult balance rotating a squad and not something Villa have really needed to do in the past. Uni is a master at this as his track record proves.
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He certainly looks the perfect specimen , reminds me of Frank Bruno who aesthetically looked a perfect heavyweight boxer but was flawed. He's a very good player no doubt but not a top 4 defender and would get found out in business end games.
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Sometimes I think it's kind of unfair to judge some of the players who seem to get played in different combinations every game.
Obviously they do need to be able to adapt like that, but as pointed out, Carlos is basically new to the league this season, and he's playing with different people either side of him from game to game.
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UE has to be mindful of what happens in the case of injuries/suspensions. If Konsa was out for instance, how disastrous could it be to bring Carlos in having hardly played in two years?
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If anything, he is too big - which could be affecting his speed and mobility.
Look at the size Micah Richards was when he played for us - slow, turning circle of a supertanker (as well as being a dickhead).
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I think I will put my faith in Uni to choose when and where Carlos should play. It's a difficult balance rotating a squad and not something Villa have really needed to do in the past. Uni is a master at this as his track record proves.
Emery got it wrong with Carlos last two games. It's definitely not worth moving our best defender out of position to accommodate him.
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If anything, he is too big - which could be affecting his speed and mobility.
If we could somehow transfer some of his bulk to Torres we'd be sorted.
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I think I will put my faith in Uni to choose when and where Carlos should play. It's a difficult balance rotating a squad and not something Villa have really needed to do in the past. Uni is a master at this as his track record proves.
Emery got it wrong with Carlos last two games. It's definitely not worth moving our best defender out of position to accommodate him.
Why would he be trying to accommodate him? He didnt buy him. He's just giving him occasional game time. If we get an injury to either Konsa or Torres, then he'll have to come in.
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I think I will put my faith in Uni to choose when and where Carlos should play. It's a difficult balance rotating a squad and not something Villa have really needed to do in the past. Uni is a master at this as his track record proves.
Emery got it wrong with Carlos last two games. It's definitely not worth moving our best defender out of position to accommodate him.
Why would he be trying to accommodate him? He didnt buy him. He's just giving him occasional game time. If we get an injury to either Konsa or Torres, then he'll have to come in.
Lenglet has performed a lot better and should be first in in case of an injury to Torres anyway.
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I think I will put my faith in Uni to choose when and where Carlos should play. It's a difficult balance rotating a squad and not something Villa have really needed to do in the past. Uni is a master at this as his track record proves.
Emery got it wrong with Carlos last two games. It's definitely not worth moving our best defender out of position to accommodate him.
Why would he be trying to accommodate him? He didnt buy him. He's just giving him occasional game time. If we get an injury to either Konsa or Torres, then he'll have to come in.
I don't think the deciding factor in yesterday's lineup was Emery wanting to accommodate Carlos. It's far more likely he wanted to rest Cash, and the only way we can do that at the moment is to move Konsa out one, and then Carlos has to be brought in to partner with Torres.
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That's why he's giving him the occasional game time as well. Keeping the same back four every game would be ideal but with the amount of games we have coming up, it's just not going to happen. Besides, it wouldnt have been brought up had we won.
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The man is a colossus. Totally smashed the cyborg tonight.
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Really good tonight.
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This is what we signed. Terrific performance, keep it up Diego.
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I hope the people who were writing Carlos off and saying he is not good enough after Sunday will have the good grace to give him the plaudits that he and Pau deserve after tonight.
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Magnificent tonight. Bossed the best striker in the world. There’s not many Haaland can’t outmuscle. He found one tonight
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Just mentioned him in the post match thread, thought he was really excellent tonight against Haaland.
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Twice in that 2nd half he just got into a pure wrestling match with Haaland. Never a backward step. I love it.
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Magnificent tonight. Bossed the best striker in the world. There’s not many Haaland can’t outmuscle. He found one tonight
Yes, great performance. Mings had a very good game against him last season too. We needed Carlos’s physicality tonight.
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Proved me for one wrong tonight! Some turnaround in performance in a few days. Looked a lot sharper on the ball tonight too.
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Really good tonight. Best performance during his time with us.
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No one has dealt with the Yeti as well as Diego did tonight. A magnificent footballer.
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No one has dealt with the Yeti as well as Diego did tonight. A magnificent footballer.
The Yeti 😂
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I think he may have been given a specific job to do on Haarland, and he certainly carried it out.
After his two early chances he just faded away.
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Very much so - physically matched him. It was probably Emery's plan from weeks ago and why he picked him to start for the last few games so he could get up to speed.
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There was a bit in the second half last night where Haaland won a freekick from him out on the touchline, and though I thought it was harsh, it was the way Diego not only stopped him turning, but literally man-handled him towards the line, utlimately pushing him over when he didn't want to go over. He wasn't looking for the foul, he just couldn't roll Diego like he wanted to.
He's clearly a very strong lad, but he also looked very good on the ball last night, showing no ill-effects after his mistake on Saturday. I still think Konsa is the number one in that position, but the drop-off in quality isn't very much at all at the minute. And this is all happening with last season's best centre-back out of the season.
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Wow. Thought he was great on the ball , defensively and literally I think one needless foul. Absolutely fantastic showing and he delivered some great direct passing through to Watkins.
Brilliant from Diego and he kept Haaland out the game.
Like Pau was Champions League level defending.
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Went from super confident to terrified when I saw that he'd stuck with the same backline as Bournemouth.
How wrong was I - Diego was a man-mountain last night! As well as a flawless defensive display, I was massively impressed with his passing range, pinging balls forward effortlessly.
Also noticed that it looked like Pep had told Haaland to press Torres as he always seemed to be on him when he received the ball, as he'd obviously earmarked him as the main supply line threat. Backfired massively when his defensive partner was resembling a Brazilian Beckenbauer!
I will never doubt you again Diego. Masterful performance!
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The bloke's a proper unit. Hats off to him for forcing his way in, and adapting to our pattern of play so well. A folk hero in the making.
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It's easy to forget that he didn't get time to learn the game in the PL because he got injured and missed pretty much the entire season. He then comes back and Mings goes down which likely speeds up his involvement coming back from that injury. So in a way this is his first season like it is Torres. And for as big and strong as he is, he is coming to terms with the speed and physicality of the PL. I think overall he's been superb. And we've also got Lenglet in the background for further cover.
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Brilliant effort last night. If he can stay fit he is a big asset.
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Brilliant effort last night. If he can stay fit he is a big asset.
Keep him fit and get Mings back and we'll have 4 top class options in there and some very decent youngsters learning from them as well.
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Voted Player of the match tonight on Sky Sports
Immense in his defending.
Does have to be careful with some brute force used at times with the elbows but think he's been solid performing in the central two
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Last couple of games he’s been exceptional. Brilliant to see after a horrible injury. If he can sustain this level we have some incredible options at centre back.
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Voted Player of the match tonight on Sky Sports
Immense in his defending.
Does have to be careful with some brute force used at times with the elbows but think he's been solid performing in the central two
Didn’t see Haarland complaining too much, not like the Tarquin softies!
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Last couple of games he’s been exceptional. Brilliant to see after a horrible injury. If he can sustain this level we have some incredible options at centre back.
Very true. I wrongly thought despite him being a class defender he wouldn't come back as strong after his injury. Squad player at best. Not for the first time, how wrong was I. Top player. Top man.
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Last couple of games he’s been exceptional. Brilliant to see after a horrible injury. If he can sustain this level we have some incredible options at centre back.
Very true. I wrongly thought despite him being a class defender he wouldn't come back as strong after his injury. Squad player at best. Not for the first time, how wrong was I. Top player. Top man.
The Emery effect
He improves players.
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Last couple of games he’s been exceptional. Brilliant to see after a horrible injury. If he can sustain this level we have some incredible options at centre back.
Very true. I wrongly thought despite him being a class defender he wouldn't come back as strong after his injury. Squad player at best. Not for the first time, how wrong was I. Top player. Top man.
The Emery effect
He improves players.
Great man management too. Between the Eurupean games and the league I'd say most players will be happy with their game time and feel like they're part of this journey.
Donk maybe the only one not getting enough game time, but he's played his part too. Same for Lenglet.
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I love Diego, think he is a brilliant defender. Good to see him getting back to his best.
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I also just love how tough he looks. He’s the sort of player you look at if you’re in the same team and it would just make you assured that he’s on your side.
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I’d like PGMOL to explain how the referee who missed the elbow incident was able to award a yellow card for Diego Carlos after being told of the incident by VAR.
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Yes, me too. A few of us were discussing this at the time. The ref didn't see the incident (wasn't he awarding a throw-in 40 yards away at the time?), and I don't recall a flag from either assistant. The awarding of a free kick and a yellow card in the middle of the pitch is not in the VAR remit, afaik.
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https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#principles
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They won’t explain it. Like the drop ball back to Rice when he kicked it out of play, we should have had the option to give it back to them for a goal kick. Actually thought the referee yesterday was as bad as the one on Wednesday was good.
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The ref was ok in the first half. Second half, he wasn't the best.
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The ref was ok in the first half. Second half, he wasn't the best.
He let them get off with pulling us back and no card time and time again first half.
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The ref was ok in the first half. Second half, he wasn't the best.
I agree but (rightly) disallowing the goal went a long way to making up for it for me. If he didn't do that, I doubt VAR overturns the onfield decision.
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Ref wasn't great but I do give him credit for making a big call himself with the handball and then sticking by it after VAR.
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Ref wasn't great but I do give him credit for making a big call himself with the handball and then sticking by it after VAR.
It wasn't really a case of sticking with it, as they didn't ask him to review it.
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Ref was shocking for me
Re-handball he got that right but so did the rest of the Holte End
Thick Gunners fans still have not worked out that the handball rules for the team defending differs from those attacking.
The whole PGMOL needs a clear out from top to bottom.
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The ref played a whole extra minute of stoppage time first half, when there were no extra stoppages as far as I could see.
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Everything seems to be working out for us at the moment including this guy
We/I was doubting Tielemans, Carlos, Bailey a few games ago but now it’s a different story, even Konsa at right back looks a lot better and I never thought I would say that
Unai has the Midas touch
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Watching the Brentford game, really noticeable how often Carlos plays a really good, straight, fast ball right through the midfield.
Torres sort of wafts them from one side of the pitch to the other, Carlos always looks for the more direct pass to take the midfield out of the game, and usually finds it.
I like him.
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I like him.
Me too, I really thought he was a quality player that we'd have to right off due to serious injury. His big smiles around BH over the last 12 months haven't helped other than love him more but he is back and showing to be the player we all hoped he would be. It's a beautiful story and full credit to the man for not hiding especially considering what he's been through.
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Spot on, his forward pass was key to the Arsenal goal.
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I can see Carlos in the defence against Sheffield United be it a back 3 or Konsa at right back.
Carlos is needed to deal with the aggressive McBurnie.
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I can see Carlos in the defence against Sheffield United be it a back 3 or Konsa at right back.
Carlos is needed to deal with the aggressive McBurnie.
Another excellent point from you there Footy though McBurnie wasnt playing Carlos was all over their forward in the first minutes to make/ mark a point (they got a free kick in a not dangerous position). I think our defence look better / more assured with his aggression. He has some pace too hasnt he? As mentioned here he does the occasionally loosing head but so did/ does Tyrone without loosing his place in the team.
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Yes but he needs to be as tight on opposition forwards as his shorts are on his bum😀
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Yes but he needs to be as tight on opposition forwards as his shorts are on his bum😀
Yes he seems to close them down, close as in close that is :) I think the balance in defence seems about right with Konsa , Carlos and Lenglet / Pau
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Ponderous on ball and rather ill disciplined. Yellow carded.
It wasn't his greatest performance against Chelsea.
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Not good enough for where we're trying to get to.
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I think he is ok. He is not the problem IMO.
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He's poor. Obviously not his fault our best three central defenders are injured, but he's nowhere near good enough. Wasn't as bad as Moreno though, that bloke has been fucking awful.
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Ponderous, and always seems to be a red card waiting to happen
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Not good enough for where we're trying to get to.
I think I agree with this take.
I never feel comfortable watching him play, for one of their goals he made a badly positioned, half-hearted pretend attempt to clear the ball. It's just not good enough. I am not sure what it is that he does that he does well enough for us.
Torres and Konsa - definitely good enough. I'd even go as far as to wonder whether Lenglet is better than Carlos. That's how bad he is.
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As a 4th or 5th choice he's fine. Problem is that we're having to play our 4th and 5th choices so much now.
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I think he is ok. He is not the problem IMO.
I think that's definitely the problem. Him and Lenglet have no pace at all forcing us give the opposition way too much space.
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The obvious problem there is that, even if he is fine as a 4th or 5th choice, we paid 25m+ for him.
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I think he is ok. He is not the problem IMO.
I think that's definitely the problem. Him and Lenglet have no pace at all forcing us give the opposition way too much space.
Torres also does not have much pace, but he more than compensates for it by his intelligence and his use of the ball coming forward.
Carlos just looks brainless to me. A 'throw a brick at me and I'll at least try to head it out' style player in a league where nobody really wants that type of player any more.
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Id seriously cash in. He is very average
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The Brazilian Nathan Baker.
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Yes, that.
Bakinho.
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Yep, move him on please, really can't see what he does especially well at all and goes steaming in far too often. We need a long term cb in this summer
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Tim Vickery called him Terry Butcher in reverse.
I think ideally Emery would not have him in the squad and replace him with someone more suitable to our style of play, control of the possession and how like to defend.
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His positioning for the second was terrible. Also when he got the yellow he swung his elbow back and had their player gone down it could easily have been red.
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I think he is ok. He is not the problem IMO.
I think that's definitely the problem. Him and Lenglet have no pace at all forcing us give the opposition way too much space.
Torres also does not have much pace, but he more than compensates for it by his intelligence and his use of the ball coming forward.
Carlos just looks brainless to me. A 'throw a brick at me and I'll at least try to head it out' style player in a league where nobody really wants that type of player any more.
He's shite. He's about the polar opposite of what Emery is looking for in a centre back. The more Lenglet plays the more distinctly average he looks too.
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Yeah, good point, he's also a red card waiting to happen.
He really is disturbingly brainless at times. He's already had a couple of lucky escapes with officialdom this season.
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He's shite. He's about the polar opposite of what Emery is looking for in a centre back.
Yes, this. He is absolutely not what I'd call an Emery type player.
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Both him and Lenglet will not be here come end of August. If I was being kind I would say he is the sort of defender Dyche would be happy to have. However, Bobby Moore and Paul Mc would have struggled tonight with that midfield in front of them
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Gerrard wanted a physical type of centre back with Champions League experience.
He's not a modern type centre back and perhaps too late for him to adapt
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Seen enough now to see we have well and truly been done here; very average player and pathetic last night.
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Our season could very easily unravel and fall apart if (as it looks like it will be) Carlos and Lenglet are our CB pairing for the foreseeable.
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Both him and Lenglet will not be here come end of August. If I was being kind I would say he is the sort of defender Dyche would be happy to have. However, Bobby Moore and Paul Mc would have struggled tonight with that midfield in front of them
It’s the other way around, a ragged back 4 and the midfield gets swamped.
Carlos is a train wreck.
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From my seat in the Upper Trinity it’s obvious he’s a drop off and defend space type CB and is very uncomfortable pushing up and playing a high line, probably due to his lack of pace. There were about 4 occasions he played people onside as he stepped back rather than hold a line. He’s better when Konsa plays outside him but Konsa is a much better CB.
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God, he may not have been the only one but he was terrible last night. What particularly annoyed me was that he's built a reputation for being a good long forward passer of the ball, yet last night he just repeatedly played it short, backwards or sideways to Lenglet or Moreno. Without exaggeration, I could do that, and I'm in my 60s.
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Emery told him to stop the long passes.
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He ignored him then as he played his own version of ping it to various ball boys during the first half.
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It was after the 4th or 5th one of those. He clearly told him to stop and pass it to the full back.
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I think we’re honestly at the stage where we should just give Chambers a chance instead.
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Selling Carlos, releasing Lenglet back to Barca and getting 2 younger, faster, better centre halves this summer is a must. Konsa and Torres are both exceptionally good players. These 2 are clowns.
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Yea I've seen enough. Woeful.
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Insight ! See above.
I knew he was due one been threatening!
Insight. He’s shite.
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I do wonder if Josh Feeney has gone out on loan to help prepare him for being 4th/5th choice centre-half next season? I think he probably needs a year in the Championship first, but you never know. He'll be 19 at the start of the season. Assuming Mings recovers, he'd have Ezri/Pau/Ty in front of him (at least). I strongly suspect Carlos will be gone by September, along with Chambers and Lenglet. Probably bring in one defender making up the four options with Feeney as back up.
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His position for the headed goal was schoolboy level.
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His position for the headed goal was schoolboy level.
The pair of the centre halves seemed to view defending the box as an optional extra to their primary role of pissing about on the ball between each other and/or slamming the ball 50 yards into touch.
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Yes it was pathetic. Playing against somebody with all the strength in the box of a crisp packet caught in the breeze and you gift the useless throbber a free header. Embarrassing.
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Any decent CH has that sorted. It would have been bread and butter to Mings. It's as basic a CH function as there is.
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Yes it was pathetic. Playing against somebody with all the strength in the box of a crisp packet caught in the breeze and you gift the useless throbber a free header. Embarrassing.
It was Ridgewellesque
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That one I the first half when Lenglet committed himself to muscling Madueke out by the dugouts after Moreno had been mugged, and ended up face down on the touchline with the ball still in play was just comedy shit.
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Selling Carlos, releasing Lenglet back to Barca and getting 2 younger, faster, better centre halves this summer is a must. Konsa and Torres are both exceptionally good players. These 2 are clowns.
Mings should be involved next season so I wouldn't be surprised if we sold Carlos, made Konsa first choice right-side centre back and then bought in someone like, Ronnie Edwards who is young and highly rated, as understudy to Konsa. Then we need a first choice right back so that we don't need to keep moving Konsa across.
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Lenglet is just another Bednareck with a slightly easier surname to pronounce
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Mings should be involved next season so I wouldn't be surprised if we sold Carlos, made Konsa first choice right-side centre back and then bought in someone like, Ronnie Edwards who is young and highly rated, as understudy to Konsa.
He sounds like a train robber.
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Mings should be involved next season so I wouldn't be surprised if we sold Carlos, made Konsa first choice right-side centre back and then bought in someone like, Ronnie Edwards who is young and highly rated, as understudy to Konsa.
He sounds like a train robber.
you're thinking of Ronnie Pickering
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Mings should be involved next season so I wouldn't be surprised if we sold Carlos, made Konsa first choice right-side centre back and then bought in someone like, Ronnie Edwards who is young and highly rated, as understudy to Konsa.
He sounds like a train robber.
you're thinking of Ronnie Pickering
WHO?
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He doesn't actually seem to do anything. He kind of does fill spaces on the pitch but, wherever he happens to be, and notwithstanding his highly impressive physique, he doesn't ever seem to perform any sort of action of a substantive kind, such as a successful tackle, an interception, or a forward pass to a colleague.
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He doesn't actually seem to do anything. He kind of does fill spaces on the pitch but, wherever he happens to be, and notwithstanding his highly impressive physique, he doesn't ever seem to perform any sort of action of a substantive kind, such as a successful tackle, an interception, or a forward pass to a colleague.
And the problem is Lenglet is much the same.
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He doesn't actually seem to do anything. He kind of does fill spaces on the pitch but, wherever he happens to be, and notwithstanding his highly impressive physique, he doesn't ever seem to perform any sort of action of a substantive kind, such as a successful tackle, an interception, or a forward pass to a colleague.
David W once mentioned a description of Carew he’d heard about him having the physique of a Viking and the constitution of a librarian. That applies to Carlos 1,000 fold.
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Selling Carlos would damage our Profit & Sustainability shi', wouldn't it? If he cost £25m, I can't see us getting more than £10m back, and he'll only have been here two years in the summer so he'll leave us in negative equity.
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Selling Carlos would damage our Profit & Sustainability shi', wouldn't it? If he cost £25m, I can't see us getting more than £10m back, and he'll only have been here two years in the summer so he'll leave us in negative equity.
Unless I'm massively misunderstanding something it wouldn't so much damage our P&S, it just wouldn't help us as much as it would if we sold him for a profit.
Its still money in.
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I don’t think he’s as bad as he’s appeared of late. I think much of it is down to the lack of protection the midfield has provided, and most centre backs would struggle in that situation. I think he struggles when he needs to be primary distributor, but with Torres back that changes. I still worry about red cards, but again less pressure on his distribution might help that.
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He doesn't actually seem to do anything. He kind of does fill spaces on the pitch but, wherever he happens to be, and notwithstanding his highly impressive physique, he doesn't ever seem to perform any sort of action of a substantive kind, such as a successful tackle, an interception, or a forward pass to a colleague.
This is exactly right - not sure if he is still adjusting - but I cant think of anything he has done in his time with us. Not good or bad, just nothing
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I can’t remember which game it was, Citeh or Arsenal, I think the latter, but he was exceptional that day.
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He’s a secondary centre half.. Shaun Teale to McGrath…
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I think he’s a liability to the way we want to play. His dropping off to defend deep is massively impacting our back line to play the offside trap and suggest he does not have confidence in his physical capabilities. And if he’s not bringing his physicality, what is he really contributing? His one on one defending is average, he has no recovery pace, he’s not particularly dominating in the air and his distribution is reasonable. But take Konsa away from the right back area and you wonder how much he’s been compensating for Carlos. For Torres it would make sense to have a physical partner, like Mings.
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Lenglet is just another Bednareck with a slightly easier surname to pronounce
He really isn’t.
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That one I the first half when Lenglet committed himself to muscling Madueke out by the dugouts after Moreno had been mugged, and ended up face down on the touchline with the ball still in play was just comedy shit.
That was terrible alright, Luiz had a similar one in first half with their winger. Carlos a matter of inches away from clocking one of their players with a stray/deliberate elbow.
I don't mind Lenglet so much. He's meant to be 4th/5th choice and the more he is in the team you can see why. But the club spent huge money on Carlos, he's meant to be very good with the ball and a top defender. He's anything but.
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His best performance was wrestling mano a mano with Haaland. We are all pissed about the performance levels in the last 2 home games, the Chelsea one is less surprising considering the lack of our 3 best CBs, no excuses for everything forward of that point though.
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I agree, you can’t ignore the centre back problem. Especially Torres in terms of his influence on how we play, and Konsa who is also excellent. A drop off is bound to happen. What makes it worse is that putting Konsa at right back was also a useful option in how we set up but not being able to do that has also meant bringing in Cash who basically isn’t good enough.
All of that is understandable. What is less so is that, even given that, you’d expect far more from
Carlos, who cost the best part of £30m and Lenglet who, lest we forget, is a Barcelona player.
It’s not like we’re playing Nathan Baker and Joleon Lescott there. The problem is, it sometimes looks like we are.
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Any player's weaknesses will be magnified when they are more exposed. Because he was alongside Lenglet (and Cash) rather than Torres, or Konsa, he would be far more exposed. That he was bought under a different manager doesn't help.
He's done really well playing alongside Torres.
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Our standards and our expectations have been raised under Emery. Not so long ago, Carlos and Lenglet would have been first choice centre backs, and they would be alright for a mid-table team. That's not where we're looking though.
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Carlos looked a beast before his injury and has had good games since his return but for whatever reason he looks awful at the moment.
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Carlos looked a beast before his injury and has had good games since his return but for whatever reason he looks awful at the moment.
He played 1 complete game for us before his injury, a game we lost 2-0!
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Carlos looked a beast before his injury and has had good games since his return but for whatever reason he looks awful at the moment.
He played 1 complete game for us before his injury, a game we lost 2-0!
Comparable to Newcastle and Chelsea he was a beast. Large Guinea Pig?
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Carlos looked a beast before his injury and has had good games since his return but for whatever reason he looks awful at the moment.
He played 1 complete game for us before his injury, a game we lost 2-0!
The beast ::)
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Lenglet is just another Bednareck with a slightly easier surname to pronounce
He really isn’t.
He's a pretty weak defender and slow to go with it. At least he's only on loan.
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The only beast round these parts was Benteke. He hibernated for years after leaving us.
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Bednarek is a least phonetic, Lenglet's pronunciation is nowhere near: Long lay...what you chatting about?
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Lenglet can at least pass a ball a bit. Carlos just lumps it long out of play. He clearly fancies himself as a quarterback but can't execute it. His defending is comically bad at time, you just know he is going to give free kicks away constantly. Neither are up to it long term.
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Out with a hamstring injury.
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Obviously. Couple more games and it'll be bionic Ollie Watkins and ten training cones playing against Luton.
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Out with a hamstring injury.
Could it get any worse.
We are really up against it now.
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Torres and Lenglet it is.
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Good bloody grief, another bloody problem. Is that Chambers in?!
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JFC.
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Torres and Lenglet it is.
If Pau is actually fit.
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JFC.
Jesus Fried Chicken?
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Torres and Lenglet it is.
If Pau is actually fit.
He's been on the bench the past two games.
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Roll on the cricket season.
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
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I think the next 3 games are fortunate as we ought to not have to do anywhere near as much defending. Hopefully it's not a serious one.
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So now Pau will need to play 90 mins? This is beyond a joke.
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
Can add Tim I and Dendoncker to the list as well, neither are particularly established but both missed big chunks of the first half of the season which left us short of cover in there.
Just to be clear I don't think we can use the injuries to cllaim any sort of moral victory as has been done with other teams but it's pretty clear that we're now seeing ourselves stretched to the limit.
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Add duran to the list as well
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Time to start using some of the youngsters. We havw a talented group lets start using them
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Time to start using some of the youngsters. We havw a talented group lets start using them
Most of the really good ones are out on loan though.
In the U21s we have Feeney, Bogarde and Kerr Smith who would all be good options but they're all on loan so we have very few options now. Losing Konsa and Carlos so close together is fucking horrible luck and makes the loan decisions look like a mistake now.
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I'm sure Bogarde was recalled in January. Not sure we'll see him on the pitch though
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We're going to have to get on the phone to Phillipe Senderos the way this is going, what a fucking travesty.
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I'm sure Bogarde was recalled in January. Not sure we'll see him on the pitch though
I thought he went back out again but it looks like he is still here so in that case I suspect we'll see him on the bench for the weekend, I wouldn't be trusting Chambers to play 90 right now.
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I don't think any of our youngsters would be near the level required at the moment.
There has been a paucity of players coming through our academy to the first team, and I'm not sure there are any I would be confident about successfully making that step.
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Well it’s getting to the point where there’s no choice.
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Centre-back is also one of the hardest positions to blood the younguns in, too.
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If Heck is watching….perhaps a new hospitality offering of as much red bull as you can drink then a seat on the bench for the game…bring your own boots
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Out with a hamstring injury.
Ha. Hahahaha. HAHAHAHA.
*gibbers insanely*
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I'll do it. Big enough to play centre half. Right footed, comfortable on the left and can pick out the advertising haordings with the same regularity as Carlos. I'd like a fancy song please and I promise I'll headbut the posts as a pre-match ritual.
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Is Steve Sims still working for Asda?
Seriously though, it's turning into a piss take now.
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Time to start using some of the youngsters. We havw a talented group lets start using them
Most of the really good ones are out on loan though.
In the U21s we have Feeney, Bogarde and Kerr Smith who would all be good options but they're all on loan so we have very few options now. Losing Konsa and Carlos so close together is fucking horrible luck and makes the loan decisions look like a mistake now.
Hopefully there is recall opions. Surely we wouldnt be silly enough to insert those? Also i know this is desperation but isnt hause still on the books? Id rather have hause than chambers but god knows when he last kicked a ball
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
Can add Tim I and Dendoncker to the list as well, neither are particularly established but both missed big chunks of the first half of the season which left us short of cover in there.
Just to be clear I don't think we can use the injuries to cllaim any sort of moral victory as has been done with other teams but it's pretty clear that we're now seeing ourselves stretched to the limit.
Yeah, but we're not Tottenham, so the media don't give a shit.
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Holy moly
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Hopefully there is recall opions. Surely we wouldnt be silly enough to insert those? Also i know this is desperation but isnt hause still on the books? Id rather have hause than chambers but god knows when he last kicked a ball
Can't recall them outside transfer windows. Well, you can but you can't play them.
Hause is in the building but not in the Premier League squad
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
Can add Tim I and Dendoncker to the list as well, neither are particularly established but both missed big chunks of the first half of the season which left us short of cover in there.
Just to be clear I don't think we can use the injuries to cllaim any sort of moral victory as has been done with other teams but it's pretty clear that we're now seeing ourselves stretched to the limit.
Was Sunday Ramsey's first or second start of the season? He's virtually missed over half of it.
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Our season is down the pan. I don't want to sound defeatist but I can't see it any other way. The injury list won't stay as bad as this till the season's over, we all know which way it will go.
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I'm sure Bogarde was recalled in January. Not sure we'll see him on the pitch though
I thought he went back out again but it looks like he is still here so in that case I suspect we'll see him on the bench for the weekend, I wouldn't be trusting Chambers to play 90 right now.
Bogarde came back off loan from Bristol Rovers. There was talk of him going to a championship team, but I don't think it happened.
Chambers didn't make the bench last game, so he might be injured as well
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WTF!?
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I literally just started laughing when my son told me, what else can you do….doomed, we’re doomed
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
I think those Kamara and Konsa estimates are very optimistic.
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Don’t see the Carlos injury forcing a change of shape, at least. I’d like to think we’ll get away with it unless Torres isn’t quite fit enough for 90+ minutes. If (or is that when!?) we have any more injuries I’m not sure who we’d play in defence, other than kids.
This is truly a test of everyone’s patience and positivity!
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Well he’s the only senior right sided centre back who was available, so it’s pretty significant to me. I don’t really count Chambers because Emery clearly doesn’t like him.
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Hopefully there is recall opions. Surely we wouldnt be silly enough to insert those? Also i know this is desperation but isnt hause still on the books? Id rather have hause than chambers but god knows when he last kicked a ball
Can't recall them outside transfer windows. Well, you can but you can't play them.
Hause is in the building but not in the Premier League squad
Gosh if thats the case we are screwed. Hause not being registered just seems crazy whats point of playing him for! Might as well release him on a free
I heard bogarde is highly rated so hopefully if he is here he will get a chance
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I'd cut short Feeney's loan and bring him back.
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Out with a hamstring injury.
It's okay: we can play Kamara at CB ...
...ahhhh; oh shit.
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
I think those Kamara and Konsa estimates are very optimistic.
Konsa is a fine guess I think given we don't really know what he's done.
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Fucking hell, I fully expect every news outlet to be reporting that we have 4 central defenders out injured and offering their sympathy for how it's affected us, like they have with Spurs and Newcastle.
Indeed I mark that now -
Mings - all season
Buendia- all season
Kamara - will be 4 months
JJ - 3/4 months
Moreno - 3 months
Pau - 2 months (hopefully)
Digne - 6 weeks
Konsa - 4 weeks (hopefully)
Tielemans- 3 weeks
DC - TBC, but if it’s enough to end up in a report it’s at least a month
That’s a lot of fucking injuries - and a good number are really significant, and to key players.
I think those Kamara and Konsa estimates are very optimistic.
Konsa is a fine guess I think given we don't really know what he's done.
And I’m basically timing Kamara to end of the season- he’s clearly out longer.
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I'd cut short Feeney's loan and bring him back.
I don’t think we can can we? They can be brought back but can’t play?
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I'd cut short Feeney's loan and bring him back.
I don’t think we can can we? They can be brought back but can’t play?
If he’s a youngster he’s outside the registration requirements isn’t he?
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He went out as a deal in the transfer window, would have thought he can’t play for us until the next window opens??
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There's this in the FA Handbook
Long Term Loan Transfers shall be for a full Playing Season; or from any date prior to 31st August to any date between 1st and 31st January; or from any date between 1st and 31st January (the January transfer window) to the end of the Playing Season.
A Player on Long Term Loan may not be recalled, except for a goalkeeper or where the
Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club (or club) holding his registered
contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the
Club (or club) holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Playing Season.
I tried the Premier League handbook too, but a text search for the word, "recall", yielded zero results.
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We do still have Chambers don’t we?
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The way things are going, I can see the McGregor statue picking up a knock.
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I'll do it. Big enough to play centre half. Right footed, comfortable on the left and can pick out the advertising haordings with the same regularity as Carlos. I'd like a fancy song please and I promise I'll headbut the posts as a pre-match ritual.
I'm perfect for the role. After making the switch from fullback later in my 'career', I perfected the art of playing centre-half with minimal involvement. Were it not for the age gap, I'd be suggesting Diego Carlos modelled his game on mine.
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We do still have Chambers don’t we?
Yes , written off too soon ...
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Chambers is unique in that I struggle to recall a player getting so much worse between appearances.
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Can’t play Lenglet and Pau together. Put Cash there and KKH at Rb
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Cash at CB? We will need to score 4 or 5 every game just to get a draw.
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I think we're more like to see Pau played on the right side before we see Chambers brought back in. Just as well he didn't leave on the last day of the window, we might need him at the rate things are going.
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Cap in hand the the discarded Chambers then, who can't play in the Conference games either.
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You have to play Torres and Lenglet, for me Lenglet is the one who has to play on the right as Torres is so important when he plays.
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Hopefully there is recall opions. Surely we wouldnt be silly enough to insert those? Also i know this is desperation but isnt hause still on the books? Id rather have hause than chambers but god knows when he last kicked a ball
Can't recall them outside transfer windows. Well, you can but you can't play them.
Hause is in the building but not in the Premier League squad
Gosh if thats the case we are screwed. Hause not being registered just seems crazy whats point of playing him for! Might as well release him on a free
I heard bogarde is highly rated so hopefully if he is here he will get a chance
My Gashead mate thought he played very well last season and had no problems with the physicality of League 1. Apparently he failed to progress this season so they weren’t too upset to lose him.
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We do still have Chambers don’t we?
Was on the bench at the weekend, so will have to be him really.
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Can’t play Lenglet and Pau together. Put Cash there and KKH at Rb
That would be utterly bonkers.
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Lenglet and Chambers, yikes.
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Might need to try and get Josh Feeney back from Real Union at this rate.
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Lenglet and Chambers, yikes.
God imagine that vs maddison Richarldson and son. Scary thought
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Lenglet and Chambers, yikes.
God imagine that vs maddison Richarldson and son. Scary thought
I know we have an injury crisis, but it's a bit insulting to suggest that Richarlison's kid would run rings round our defence.
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Lenglet and Chambers, yikes.
Not a great thought but not that much worse than Lenglet and Carlos.
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Lenglet and Chambers, yikes.
God imagine that vs maddison Richarldson and son. Scary thought
I know we have an injury crisis, but it's a bit insulting to suggest that Richarlison's kid would run rings round our defence.
Depends how old he is in fairness. If he's under 8 then I'd back Lenglet and Chambers to keep him reasonably quiet
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Konsa might be back by then. And there’s always Gavin McCann who used to play whole seasons on one leg.
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Lenglet and Chambers, yikes.
God imagine that vs maddison Richarldson and son. Scary thought
I know we have an injury crisis, but it's a bit insulting to suggest that Richarlison's kid would run rings round our defence.
Depends how old he is in fairness. If he's under 8 then I'd back Lenglet and Chambers to keep him reasonably quiet
Give him an iPad and he'll be as good as gold.
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Do we qualify for an emergency loan yet? Surely must be getting close to not being able to turn out a back 4.
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Do we qualify for an emergency loan yet? Surely must be getting close to not being able to turn out a back 4.
Should be, Yanited qualified for one before the season even started and brought in Jonny Evans.
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Do we qualify for an emergency loan yet? Surely must be getting close to not being able to turn out a back 4.
No emergency is that desperate.
Should be, Yanited qualified for one before the season even started and brought in Jonny Evans.
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Big Diego enjoying the game today
https://x.com/avfc_espanol/status/1761441533738287451?s=46
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God we need him back asap
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Big Diego enjoying the game today
https://x.com/avfc_espanol/status/1761441533738287451?s=46
Great to see! We really fo have a good squad team mentality building.
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God we need him back asap
Konsa is the one we need back asap
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God we need him back asap
Really?!
Unless you meant to say "God: we really need him back"; God being Paul McGrath.
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Being able to pair Konsa and Torres together on a consistent basis is what we need.
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I thought that given his performance, on many occasions Lenglet would have been in with a shout of MOM, he looked very comfortable with the ball even on his 'wrong' side.
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Of the two, isn't Konsa the one back first anyway ?(granted on Club timelines which are usually wrong).
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Lenglet has improved massively. I heard he was putting loads of extra time into his training in the first half of the season, when he wasn't playing. I know it would mean having 3 left footed centre backs but I wouldn't complain if we made his loan permanent.
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Big Diego reporting back for duty
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1765009610585301171?s=46
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Big Diego reporting back for duty
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1765009610585301171?s=46
Great to see, the good news just keeps coming.
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Good, gives us the option to move Konsa to right back against the 'lump it forward' merchants.
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Good, gives us the option to move Konsa to right back against the 'lump it forward' merchants.
I really wish we wouldn't
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Great news!
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Good, gives us the option to move Konsa to right back against the 'lump it forward' merchants.
I really wish we wouldn't
Beating City and Arsenal in a week too disappointing?
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Good, gives us the option to move Konsa to right back against the 'lump it forward' merchants.
I really wish we wouldn't
Beating City and Arsenal in a week too disappointing?
Think City was nearly the only time he has played well in that position. He was terrible against Arsenal.
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Good, gives us the option to move Konsa to right back against the 'lump it forward' merchants.
I really wish we wouldn't
Beating City and Arsenal in a week too disappointing?
Think City was nearly the only time he has played well in that position. He was terrible against Arsenal.
He was.. terrible?
Did I miss a red card or an own goal or something?
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Good, gives us the option to move Konsa to right back against the 'lump it forward' merchants.
I really wish we wouldn't
Beating City and Arsenal in a week too disappointing?
Think City was nearly the only time he has played well in that position. He was terrible against Arsenal.
He was.. terrible?
Did I miss a red card or an own goal or something?
When Konsa plays there, Matty Cash's reputation soars. From memory Cash came on that night and made a big difference after Konsa was getting roasted.
Carlos is really average at CB too, think he played well twice this season and numerous terrible performances.
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He came with a big reputation, i'm a bit underwhelmed.
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He came with a big reputation, i'm a bit underwhelmed.
Strong, good in the air and decent range of passing.
He looks vulnerable to pace and too many lapses in concentration.
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He came with a big reputation, i'm a bit underwhelmed.
Strong, good in the air and decent range of passing.
He looks vulnerable to pace and too many lapses in concentration.
Looks fantastic in those glasses, so let's not be too hasty.
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He came with a big reputation, i'm a bit underwhelmed.
Strong, good in the air and decent range of passing.
He looks vulnerable to pace and too many lapses in concentration.
I like him but, I'd reckon he'd look a lot better in a team who defend deeper, concede space and defend crosses. He does look lacking in pace in a high line but so do Torres, Lenglet and Chambers, none of whom have lightening recovery pace.
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I just think he's incredibly average. He's ok. Would be a decent defender in most mid-table teams as a stopper. Sort of player I'd expect to pay 8-10m for.
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I just think he's incredibly average. He's ok. Would be a decent defender in most mid-table teams as a stopper. Sort of player I'd expect to pay 8-10m for.
I tend to agree. He has physicality which is an asset and an enormous self belief in his ability. That’s fine if that ability matches our need for players who are much better than what was before. It isn’t though is it?
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He came with a big reputation, i'm a bit underwhelmed.
Strong, good in the air and decent range of passing.
He looks vulnerable to pace and too many lapses in concentration.
Is he really good in the air, though? I've never really noticed that.
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I just think he's incredibly average. He's ok. Would be a decent defender in most mid-table teams as a stopper. Sort of player I'd expect to pay 8-10m for.
Yeah, I have to admit that he's been a disappointment so far, even if he is built like a Rio PM.
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I just think he's incredibly average. He's ok. Would be a decent defender in most mid-table teams as a stopper. Sort of player I'd expect to pay 8-10m for.
Pretty accurate assessment I’d say. He also compares unfavourably to Konsa and Torres, both brilliant in different ways and both much better than Diego at most everything…I wouldn’t say it to his face though!
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If his name was James Charles nobody would particularly rate him.
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I just think he's incredibly average. He's ok. Would be a decent defender in most mid-table teams as a stopper. Sort of player I'd expect to pay 8-10m for.
Pretty accurate assessment I’d say. He also compares unfavourably to Konsa and Torres, both brilliant in different ways and both much better than Diego at most everything…I wouldn’t say it to his face though!
I'm just pleased he's fit again.as we need options!
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I think people need to remember he picked a major injury and was iut for a long period. We will never know how good he could have been. Just our luck it happened so soon as we signed him
Think he is ok but nowhere the level of mings konsa or pau
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Is he in Brazil squad for next internationals coming up?
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I doubt it. I know they take it seriously, but afaik he's only played for his country at the Olympics.
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I remember Man City wanted him and the price was £75 million with also 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and Manure interested but Guardimoaner went fot Ruben Diaz instead .
So I was excited when we signed him but the injury has probably had alot of impact on his playing now.
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I am starting to think it might be worth thinking about cashing in on him in the summer. Hasnt looked the same since the big injury and seems to get injuries. I also think he doesnt look very fit. I remember how lean he looked when we first signed him. Now he looks a little heavy and slow. I remember how quick he was when he first came
I also have some concerns about his positioning and concentration
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Yep, seems to have turned into Mr Glass now
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According to UE it's a reoccurrence of his hamstring injury. He did ok last night. I wouldn't write him off - remember his performance when we ran Man City ragged in December? He kept Haaland quiet. At least Ezri Konsa is back for Sunday.
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According to UE it's a reoccurrence of his hamstring injury. He did ok last night. I wouldn't write him off - remember his performance when we ran Man City ragged in December? He kept Haaland quiet. At least Ezri Konsa is back for Sunday.
I think he is on a big wage tbh so he would be one of the ones id be looking to move on if we can
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According to UE it's a reoccurrence of his hamstring injury. He did ok last night. I wouldn't write him off - remember his performance when we ran Man City ragged in December? He kept Haaland quiet. At least Ezri Konsa is back for Sunday.
Shit, I thought it was cramp.
I thought he played really well yesterday and will be disappointing if he's out for another month.
I like having a player of his quality to come into the team, but I agree in the current FFP climate I'd expect us to cash in. It will be a fraction of what we paid though.
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It just hasn't worked out for him, and all the injries means it's best we get rid in the summer. He probably needs to go and play in a less hectic league like Italy.
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We'll/he'll struggle to get another club to get anywhere near his current wage.
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He did ok last night but can't see him ever being a first choice centre half.
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It's his birthday today, he's 31.
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Their centre forward gave us a few problems in the first leg with his physicality so it was a game for him and he did well, their lad hardly had a kick. Even the one where he went through would have been bought back for offside.
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Yes, he did well without having to be at his best. He loves to be loved doesn't he?
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Yeah he did fine last night, kept their striker quiet and justified Emery's decision to start him. He would have been useful at Luton too when Morris bullied Konsa. Marking big physical centre forwards is his comfort level.
But he's nowhere near good enough, or fit enough, to play at the level we are aiming for. So many times this season like at Old Trafford and even his late cameo v Spurs he just spreads chaos all around him. Everton too, another nightmare that we were lucky to get away with. We should be trying to move him on in the summer for whatever we can get.
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Yes, he did well without having to be at his best. He loves to be loved doesn't he?
Yeah, he was fine last night, Didn't really notice him for most of the first half, which is usually a good indicator for a defender.
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He'll be out for a while, you could tell from McGinn's reaction as soon as he went to Carlos.
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According to UE it's a reoccurrence of his hamstring injury. He did ok last night. I wouldn't write him off - remember his performance when we ran Man City ragged in December? He kept Haaland quiet. At least Ezri Konsa is back for Sunday.
Shit, I thought it was cramp.
I thought he played really well yesterday and will be disappointing if he's out for another month.
I like having a player of his quality to come into the team, but I agree in the current FFP climate I'd expect us to cash in. It will be a fraction of what we paid though.
Wouldn't that make FFP position worse ? Crystallising a loss or something .I don't really understand it though.
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I like having a player of his quality to come into the team, but I agree in the current FFP climate I'd expect us to cash in. It will be a fraction of what we paid though.
Wouldn't that make FFP position worse ? Crystallising a loss or something .I don't really understand it though.
Depends on whether we get £13m or more, as we'll have amortised half of his reported £26m fee.
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I like having a player of his quality to come into the team, but I agree in the current FFP climate I'd expect us to cash in. It will be a fraction of what we paid though.
Wouldn't that make FFP position worse ? Crystallising a loss or something .I don't really understand it though.
Depends on whether we get £13m or more, as we'll have amortised half of his reported £26m fee.
Plus I assume the reduced wages is part of the calculation.
But if he's got another severe hamstring injury I think with his record for us there's next to no chance of anyone paying to take him on next season.
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I thought he was good Thursday so disappointing he's out again
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He was good against Ajax, he’s not really had much since arriving with injuries. It’s a really shame.
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Glad the thing on Twitter I saw (ruptured achilles) was wide of the mark. Could have sworn it was the official Twitter as well, must have been a spoof.
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Glad the thing on Twitter I saw (ruptured achilles) was wide of the mark. Could have sworn it was the official Twitter as well, must have been a spoof.
Haha, on the bench today!
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Glad the thing on Twitter I saw (ruptured achilles) was wide of the mark. Could have sworn it was the official Twitter as well, must have been a spoof.
Haha, on the bench today!
Everyone is after clicks and likes these days