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Title: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 06:25:15 PM
Being reported on many sources now as a done deal. Obviously will wait on the OS for official announcement. But apparently a free transfer and a five year deal.

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528394071621918721?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 22, 2022, 06:26:03 PM
Solid bit of business if so, and extremely early too.

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 06:35:51 PM
Very excited by this signing
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: andyh on May 22, 2022, 06:37:02 PM
Is he any good is the question?

After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.

(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2022, 06:38:21 PM
Is he any good is the question?

After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.

(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).

It's hard to imagine that he won't be better. Three years in and I'm still none the wiser what Luiz is supposed to be good at.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Ian. on May 22, 2022, 06:40:16 PM
Long overdue if true. Hopefully this will solve a lot of solutions to helping the defence and also allowing other players to play in their natural positions.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Somniloquism on May 22, 2022, 06:43:20 PM
Although from the highlights, he gets the initial tackle in, but then needs to have good players around him to pick up the ball he has made loose and play it away. That is the bit he will quickly realise he doesn't have anymore.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
Is he any good is the question?

After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.

(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).

Marseille fans love him...but then they did for Sanson aswell.

Really hope he can hit the ground running in DM position. Was hoping for a 6ft + colossus but he's not one of those, seems he's more a Luiz type but hopefully with better positional sense.

Just want a DM who can use the ball intelligently, position themselves well and pretty much have the opposition going pre match" we'll be in a battle against that guy today."
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 06:46:26 PM
Oh FFS, TV. What did I say? Why must you do this?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Flin5tone on May 22, 2022, 06:49:34 PM
If he's any good we'll change that
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 06:50:46 PM
If he's any good we'll change that

Ah glad you're back. Have been worried sick after you mysteriously stopped posting when we took the lead.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Axl Rose on May 22, 2022, 06:53:25 PM
Is he any good is the question?

After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.

(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).

Hello mate, I hope you are ok despite today's wankness.

He's excellent and you'll love him!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 06:54:35 PM
That's more like it. 🙂
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: andyh on May 22, 2022, 06:56:03 PM
Is he any good is the question?

After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.

(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).

Hello mate, I hope you are ok despite today's wankness.

He's excellent and you'll love him!
I can rely on you to cheer us up 👍
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Ads on May 22, 2022, 06:56:21 PM
A defensive midfielder!!!!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: wince on May 22, 2022, 06:58:15 PM
If he's any good we'll change that

Christ almighty mate, cheer up. You are acting like that robot from Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 06:58:40 PM
Oh FFS, TV. What did I say? Why must you do this?

Haha because I don’t believe in jinxes and all that bollocks.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 06:59:41 PM
Yeah, but I do. Can't you just take pity on me? I'm having a bad day as it is, what with those Brentford ****** being Brentford ******.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Richard E on May 22, 2022, 07:00:37 PM
Yeah, but I do. Can't you just take pity on me? I'm having a bad day as it is, what with those Brentford ****** being Brentford ******.

I’m far more hacked off with that result than our own.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Axl Rose on May 22, 2022, 07:02:29 PM
Is he any good is the question?

After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.

(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).

Hello mate, I hope you are ok despite today's wankness.

He's excellent and you'll love him!
I can rely on you to cheer us up 👍

Haha. Cheers, fella. You are the only person to have ever said that!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Ads on May 22, 2022, 07:06:10 PM
Is he big, quick and can pass?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2022, 07:09:48 PM
Is he big, quick and can pass?

Just 6ft so not massive but then not every quality DM is some giant given likes of Kante and Casemiro aren't that tall.

It's all about reading the game and solid defensive positioning for what we need. And if we need one signing to hit the ground running rather than taking months to settle in it's this one so pleased we've tied it up as early as possible.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 07:15:42 PM
Song sorted:

Blue-jean baby
L.A. lady
Seamstress for the band
Pretty-eyed
Pirate smile
You'll marry a music man

Ballerina
You must've seen her
Dancing in the sand
And now she's in me
Always with me
Bernie Camera in my hand

Jesus freaks
Out in the street
Handing tickets out for God

Turning back
She just laughs
The boulevard is not that bad

Piano man
He makes his stand
In the auditorium

Looking on
She sings the songs
The words she knows
The tune she hums

But oh, how it feels so real
Lying here, with no one near
Only you and you can hear me
When I say softly, slowly

Hold me closer, Bernie Camera
Count the headlights on the highway
Lay me down in sheets of linen
You had a busy day today

Hold me closer, Bernie Camera
Count the headlights on the highway
Lay me down in sheets of linen
You had a busy day today

Blue-jean baby
L.A. Lady
Seamstress for the band
Pretty-eyed
Pirate smile
You'll marry a music man

Ballerina
You must have seen her
Dancing in the sand
Now she's in me
Always with me
Bernie Camera in my hand

Oh, oh, how it feels so real
Lying here, with no one near
Only you, and you can hear me
When I say softly, slowly

Hold me closer, Bernie Camera
Count the headlights on the highway
Lay me down in sheets of linen
You had a busy day today

Hold me closer, Bernie Camera
Count the headlights on the highway
Lay me down in sheets of linen
You had a busy day today
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 07:28:34 PM
Nice effort Mr. Taupin but in reality it will be :

Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Oh Lord Kamara
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 07:29:10 PM
Mine is catchier.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Border villan on May 22, 2022, 07:35:42 PM
Unbelievable Jeff, unbelievable.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Scovilla on May 22, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
He can run, he can pass, he can defend..If he joins us this will be a massive  improvement to the team. He is better than Luiz,
McGuinn and much better than Marvelous. I am just happily surprised he chose us.. Hope this will really happen.He has been highly rate since he played for u 15 at l'OM.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Ads on May 22, 2022, 07:38:47 PM
So we're absolutely confident this is a really serious upgrade?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Ian. on May 22, 2022, 07:40:30 PM
I’m going to wait to see what Sid says early tomorrow before getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: aj2k77 on May 22, 2022, 07:41:44 PM
My nan is a serious upgrade on our central midfielders.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2022, 07:43:42 PM
So we're absolutely confident this is a really serious upgrade?

That was my question having never seen him play. It’s an absolutely critical position.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
My nan is a serious upgrade on our central midfielders.
mine too - and she's been dead a decade.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: OCD on May 22, 2022, 07:47:53 PM
Means we have money to spend elsewhere and it's been done early enough that he'll have a full pre-season and sends a message out to other targets.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 22, 2022, 07:48:28 PM
Mine is catchier.

It might be but we're not Liverpool, we can't do long songs. Expect 'Oh Boubacar Kamara'.

On a more serious note, I hope the rumour is true, there's a photo doing the rounds of Gerrard, Lange and Purslow at his last game. Quite a few clubs were after him including the Barcodes.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: dave shelley on May 22, 2022, 07:51:07 PM
Mine is catchier.

Yours is like you've just set War and Peace to music.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Villafirst on May 22, 2022, 08:13:46 PM
Apparently Arsenal have missed out, shame....
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 22, 2022, 08:17:59 PM
The Spanish media are claiming he’s changed his mind and agreed to Athletico.

It’s going to be one of those summers of rumours and counter rumours.

That said, Fabrizio isn’t likely to put his name to it unless it’s happening.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 08:19:48 PM
Should we expect a bitter statement from La Liga if he does end up at Villa?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 22, 2022, 08:25:09 PM
The Spanish media are claiming he’s changed his mind and agreed to Athletico.

It’s going to be one of those summers of rumours and counter rumours.

That said, Fabrizio isn’t likely to put his name to it unless it’s happening.
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I imagine the Spanish are smarting at the moment with kylian mbappé
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2022, 08:28:37 PM
Romano has built his entire rep on being right on these things - so hopefully he’s right (assuming Kamara is good).
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Smirker on May 22, 2022, 08:42:34 PM
Welcome to the Villa, Boubs!

Booby Kam, Booby Kam
Wish I could fly like Booby Kam
Booby Kam, Booby Kam
I want to be like Booby Kam
I want to be like Booby Kam
Booby Kam, Booby Kam
Wish I could fly like Booby Kam

My effort. The Kinks - Superman
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 09:00:14 PM
The most important stat for Kamara is either 91 or 92 pass success rate. Fuck me our current center mid barring JJ averages about 9.1/9.2
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 09:02:59 PM
The Spanish media are claiming he’s changed his mind and agreed to Atlético

TORONTO!!! 😡😡😡
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: SaddVillan on May 22, 2022, 09:04:01 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 09:06:08 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m

He’s got too few letters in his name, I remain to be convinced.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2022, 09:06:13 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m

That N’Golo Kante bloke is a giant.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: TonyD on May 22, 2022, 09:08:45 PM
He is only 22.  I have a good feeling about this.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Goldenballs on May 22, 2022, 09:25:24 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
An extra few cm can make all the difference.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: nigel on May 22, 2022, 09:29:31 PM
I wonder if we’ll still go for Philips?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 09:30:02 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
An extra few cm can make all the difference.

I'm 1.93m and I can confirm that an extra 3 inches does indeed make a difference.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2022, 09:31:28 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
An extra few cm can make all the difference.

I'm 1.93m and I can confirm that an extra 3 inches does indeed make a difference.

I'm 5.9 inches and would definitely like another 3.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 09:32:03 PM
In which direction?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2022, 09:33:14 PM
In which direction?

The cock direction.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 09:33:56 PM
In which direction?

The cock direction.

Towards Manchester?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 09:35:07 PM
Also, at the risk of going Full Brexit, if you're going to list players' heights, do it in units people understand, eh?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 22, 2022, 09:36:08 PM
Romano has built his entire rep on being right on these things - so hopefully he’s right (assuming Kamara is good).

Wasn’t it him that said he was joining A. Madrid last week?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2022, 09:36:34 PM
In which direction?

The cock direction.

Towards Manchester?

Hahaha
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2022, 09:36:51 PM
No idea.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 09:37:27 PM
Also, at the risk of going Full Brexit, if you're going to list players' heights, do it in units people understand, eh?

Taking back control.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: SaddVillan on May 22, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
An extra few cm can make all the difference.

As requested

Kamara 1.84m    6' 7/16"
Kalvin Philips 1.78m 5' 10 3/32"
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m 5' 10 7/8"
Declan Rice 1.85m 6' 27/32"
Yves Bissouma 1.82m 5' 11 27/32"
Ndidi 1.81m 5' 11 1/8"
N'Golo Kante 1.68m 5' 6 5/32"
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: olaftab on May 22, 2022, 10:04:19 PM
OK but I bet his shoe size is 8 and just think of the advantage if he was 12. Typical Villa always putting the wrong foot forward.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 10:08:14 PM
Is it greedy to ask for another one of these types of players?  Assuming this guy is indeed, incoming?  I'd like Ndidi or Bissouma too.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.


Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
An extra few cm can make all the difference.

As requested

Kamara 1.84m    6' 7/16"
Kalvin Philips 1.78m 5' 10 3/32"
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m 5' 10 7/8"
Declan Rice 1.85m 6' 27/32"
Yves Bissouma 1.82m 5' 11 27/32"
Ndidi 1.81m 5' 11 1/8"
N'Golo Kante 1.68m 5' 6 5/32"

You, sir, are a gentleman. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 10:09:27 PM
I’m sure I read last week that he’s signed a contract with Atlectico Madrid
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: adrenachrome on May 22, 2022, 10:09:56 PM
OK but I bet his shoe size is 8 and just think of the advantage if he was 12. Typical Villa always putting the wrong foot forward.

Yes, it's all well and good banging on about height, but what about girth? There must be girth.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 10:10:51 PM
Romano has built his entire rep on being right on these things - so hopefully he’s right (assuming Kamara is good).

Wasn’t it him that said he was joining A. Madrid last week?

No, he had suggested they were interested in him. But it’s not just Romano. Ornstein of the Athletic has an article about it

https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1528403231214391298?s=21&t=Wco1i3lcyhkClxGa57uj2g

Stan - https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/1528403809868849153?s=21&t=Wco1i3lcyhkClxGa57uj2g

And we know just yesterday Purslow, Gerrard and Lange were at Nantes vs OM presumably to finalize things
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 10:12:41 PM
As requested

Kamara 1.84m    6' 7/16"
Kalvin Philips 1.78m 5' 10 3/32"
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m 5' 10 7/8"
Declan Rice 1.85m 6' 27/32"
Yves Bissouma 1.82m 5' 11 27/32"
Ndidi 1.81m 5' 11 1/8"
N'Golo Kante 1.68m 5' 6 5/32"

I appreciate your good intentions but it's gone from being intelligible to looking like a plumber's shopping list. Another Brexit dividend I guess.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 10:16:00 PM
Yes, it's all well and good banging on about height, but what about girth? There must be girth.

A question probably best directed towards thick_mike.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: AGRIPPA on May 22, 2022, 10:20:52 PM
Has anyone actually seen him play??
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: olaftab on May 22, 2022, 10:22:30 PM
Yves Bissouma’s missus has just tweeted that her beau is bigger than reported. He’s actually 5’ 11 and 55/64”.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: adrenachrome on May 22, 2022, 10:46:00 PM
Has anyone actually seen him play??

Watched him yesterday against Strasbourg on BT Sport. Marseilles won 4-0 and pipped Monaco for the CL slot.  He looked pretty decent.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: darren woolley on May 22, 2022, 11:43:11 PM
He will be a good signing.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 23, 2022, 12:05:24 AM
Yes, it's all well and good banging on about height, but what about girth? There must be girth.

A question probably best directed towards thick_mike.

Ahh micky chode.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: sid1964 on May 23, 2022, 06:26:59 AM
Never heard of him until we were linked with him, hopefully he will help us win more games next season (IF he signs for us?)
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: richtheholtender on May 23, 2022, 06:52:47 AM
You just know there's a minimum release clause in here somewhere
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2022, 07:07:36 AM
Is it greedy to ask for another one of these types of players?  Assuming this guy is indeed, incoming?  I'd like Ndidi or Bissouma too.

I think we will still be in for a Phillips or Bissouma. Bissouma is actually a very good player and can carry the ball well, so would not be surprised if we wait till the legal issues are resolved then go for him.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: AGRIPPA on May 23, 2022, 08:04:27 AM
Has anyone actually seen him play??

Watched him yesterday against Strasbourg on BT Sport. Marseilles won 4-0 and pipped Monaco for the CL slot.  He looked pretty decent.

Thanks…I just have visions of him being crap and a second rate Bissouma….
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2022, 09:01:35 AM
Done.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: mrfuse on May 23, 2022, 09:04:42 AM
Yep announced on main site.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2022, 09:05:38 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/23/villa-announce-boubacar-kamara-signing/

No messing about. Extremely encouraging.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2022, 09:06:30 AM
Him and Coutinho have cost less in transfer fees than Ross McCormack and Aaron Tshibola.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 09:08:32 AM
Excellent news. Another signing that the manager's name will have attracted I reckon, the challenge now is to organise them into a successful team, as that pull won't last forever.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2022, 09:08:56 AM
Him and Coutinho have cost less in transfer fees than Ross McCormack and Aaron Tshibola.
I was having a reasonable morning till you mentioned the gateman😩 Anyway well done Villa management.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.

Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 09:09:33 AM
Welcome. Be brilliant, please.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: john e on May 23, 2022, 09:10:13 AM
 (.)(.)car 

Expecting big things
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 09:12:06 AM
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.

Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!

We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.

There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Rigadon on May 23, 2022, 09:12:48 AM
Have no idea whether to be really pleased or utterly non-plussed, given how little I know, but let's hope he breaks the mold of previous signings from France.  From Gerrard's comments he is in the 'promising young player', rather than 'established top quality' bracket of player.  Nowt wrong with that, but I hope the latter is coming at some point too, as we can't risk having another season like the one just gone. 
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 09:14:33 AM
Have no idea whether to be really pleased or utterly non-plussed, given how little I know, but let's hope he breaks the mold of previous signings from France.  From Gerrard's comments he is in the 'promising young player', rather than 'established top quality' bracket of player.  Nowt wrong with that, but I hope the latter is coming at some point too, as we can't risk having another season like the one just gone. 

He's played 40+ matches the last two seasons though, so I think he's more Ramsey than Chukwuemeka in terms of development.
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Post by: Rigadon on May 23, 2022, 09:15:43 AM
Have no idea whether to be really pleased or utterly non-plussed, given how little I know, but let's hope he breaks the mold of previous signings from France.  From Gerrard's comments he is in the 'promising young player', rather than 'established top quality' bracket of player.  Nowt wrong with that, but I hope the latter is coming at some point too, as we can't risk having another season like the one just gone. 

He's played 40+ matches the last two seasons though, so I think he's more Ramsey than Chukwuemeka in terms of development.

Bodes well
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Post by: Villan For Life on May 23, 2022, 09:16:16 AM
Good news, welcome to the Villa!
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 23, 2022, 09:17:04 AM
Welcome! Now be good for Villa.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2022, 09:19:41 AM
Again, decisive, impressive transfer work. Lad looks beastly.
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 23, 2022, 09:19:53 AM
To the tune of Jesus Christ Superstar...
"Boubacar Kamara, came to the Villa on a free transfer. He's intense, and immense, blocks all the holes in our shit defence."
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Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2022, 09:24:55 AM
To the tune of Jesus Christ Superstar...
"Boubacar Kamara, came to the Villa on a free transfer. He's intense, and immense, blocks all the holes in our shit defence."

Haha, encore!
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Welcome Boubacar!

Please be good.
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Post by: Gareth on May 23, 2022, 09:29:54 AM
Happy with that, having 2 signings in less than 24 hours after season end is excellent - would love to see another DM of similar standing come in, play 2 shielding and bringing the ball out will hopefully give Coutinho / Buendia / Ramsey / McGinn etc more freedom to attack
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2022, 09:34:04 AM
Welcome Boubacar, please be great.
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Post by: Axl Rose on May 23, 2022, 09:37:41 AM
A great signing. Welcome!
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Post by: LeonW on May 23, 2022, 09:42:38 AM
Welcome. Please don’t follow in the steps of previous French players we’ve signed.
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Post by: Villafirst on May 23, 2022, 09:44:19 AM
Good business especially as there's no transfer fee. This is a smart move. Get the players in early to ensure a good pre-season, which is vital. Last year pre-season was a shambles with the Grealish fiasco!
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Post by: Ian. on May 23, 2022, 09:46:41 AM
Blimey, we do go about our business very well. Great news
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Post by: algy on May 23, 2022, 09:47:26 AM
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.

Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!

We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.

There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.
Excellent.  Was thinking that actually - in terms of signings that you'd imagine would be pretty realistic/plausible, the free transfers of Chambers, Tarkowski, Kamara, and Suarez (or Lewandowski ...) would reinforce the entire spine of the side without hitting the transfer budget at all.  Then Bissouma, you'd imagine, would be available fairly cheaply, and could be mostly paid for with the money you'd get from selling Marv.
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Post by: Legion on May 23, 2022, 09:56:24 AM
Aston Villa sign Boubacar Kamara from Marseille on a five-year contract - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61547623
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Post by: Richard E on May 23, 2022, 09:56:27 AM
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.

Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!

We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.

There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.

Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.
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Post by: Scovilla on May 23, 2022, 10:08:29 AM
Wonderful news..Welcome to you..Bouba
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 10:15:37 AM
Excellent news. Another signing that the manager's name will have attracted I reckon, the challenge now is to organise them into a successful team, as that pull won't last forever.

Agreed, turning down CL football with the 'Mattress Makers' to join us doesn't make much sense on the face of it.

Next season will be a big one for the club and Gerrard and will need to see tangible progress. Very exciting to have 2 quality signings in already though.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 23, 2022, 10:29:26 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Boubacar.
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Post by: Flin5tone on May 23, 2022, 10:32:16 AM
Great signing for the Football Club but I thought the same about Leon Bailey at the time, we have a terrible habit of turning excellent footballers into poor ones.

Gerrard can clearly attract a good calibre of player. Kamara,Chambers and Coutinho for 17m sounds superb really , let's hope he can attract a world class striker as we would have won the last 3 games if we could put the ball in the net
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 23, 2022, 10:32:45 AM
Although from the highlights, he gets the initial tackle in, but then needs to have good players around him to pick up the ball he has made loose and play it away. That is the bit he will quickly realise he doesn't have anymore.

Beundia and Coutinhio.

Finally the lesser seen CDM. Well happy we’ve got this business done early. A new CB and a striker and job done for me apart from shipping a few non first teamers out.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 10:38:51 AM
Well done Villa.  Arsenal fans are fuming!
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Post by: DB on May 23, 2022, 10:40:16 AM
This and the Coutinhio signed could see a few more players looking at us now to.come and play.
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2022, 10:40:55 AM
Well done Villa.  Arsenal fans are fuming!

Aren't they always?

Never heard of him until we were linked with him but welcome. I hope he's good.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 10:47:33 AM
To the tune of Jesus Christ Superstar...
"Boubacar Kamara, came to the Villa on a free transfer. He's intense, and immense, blocks all the holes in our shit defence."

Inspired tune choice. Maybe
"Boubacar, he's a superstar. He's just immense in front of our defence."
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Post by: PhilVill on May 23, 2022, 10:57:36 AM
Good stuff, do the business early, try and clear the deadwood and get an excellent pre season done with plans and formations worked on so we hit the ground running. A great signing for the club.
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Post by: Villan82 on May 23, 2022, 10:57:48 AM
We really don't mess around do we? Great bit of business.

When we came up in 2019 we heard a lot about building three different sides- one to stay up, one to consolidate and one to kick on. I think we are quietly swapping in quality now for ones that did a job in establishing us in the League but probably not good enough to be regulars in the 16-18 for a top 10 side: Digne for Targett, Buendia for El Ghazi/Trez, Kamara for Marv/Luiz, Chambers for Hause, and Coutinho  is probably the unintended one coming in for Joe
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Post by: Border villan on May 23, 2022, 11:14:46 AM
Great signing for the Football Club but I thought the same about Leon Bailey at the time, we have a terrible habit of turning excellent footballers into poor ones.

Gerrard can clearly attract a good calibre of player. Kamara,Chambers and Coutinho for 17m sounds superb really , let's hope he can attract a world class striker as we would have won the last 3 games if we could put the ball in the net

We put the ball in the net twice in the last game if I recall correctly.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 11:21:10 AM
Can also play centre back if needed.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2022, 11:25:09 AM
I don't watch any French football, and rarely watch European football unless we are in the competition so only have reports in the press and the opinions of others on how good he is. However he does seem to play in the elusive DM position we are desperate for a better player in. Also can hop back into defence if needed. Good tackler, plays safe in distribution of the ball.

Certainly looks the right kind of player and on a free as well - can't see past it being a good signing. Lets hope he does better than the past signings from France have.
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Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 11:29:59 AM
Hopefully Digne seems to have broken the curse of the French Villa player, so from now we'll just have an uninterrupted stream of Gallic success!
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 23, 2022, 11:34:34 AM
Not got a clue about him but everyone seems to be happy about it so I'll join in with that.  Hope he turns out to be the enforcer we've needed since our return to the Prem.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2022, 11:39:46 AM
Hopefully Digne seems to have broken the curse of the French Villa player, so from now we'll just have an uninterrupted stream of Gallic success!

Yes to be fair to break the curse it seems to be that you need to be really fucking good.
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Post by: Hillbilly on May 23, 2022, 11:45:57 AM
Presumably he played with Sanson at OM?
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 23, 2022, 11:48:46 AM
Good stuff, do the business early, try and clear the deadwood and get an excellent pre season done with plans and formations worked on so we hit the ground running. A great signing for the club.

Exactly my thoughts - we do do our business very professionally and quickly - fair play to Johan Lange

Now i would welcome any player if it gets Luis out of our club - Absolute liability
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2022, 11:49:40 AM
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.
However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't  workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.
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Post by: Smithy on May 23, 2022, 11:50:20 AM
Blimey.  We don't fuck around these days, do we?

I'd given up on Boubacar back in Jan, when he didn't move and was clearly going on a free - I assumed he'd be off to a club playing European football. I thought AC Milan were in pole position to get him.  Of course, I wouldn't be a Villa fan if I wasn't now questioning if he's really that good, given we were able to get him without European football to offer.

Fingers crossed he turns out to be as good as I thought he was before January.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 23, 2022, 11:58:39 AM
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.
However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't  workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.

On the flip side he gets plenty of practice and experience at his main job.
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Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 12:06:11 PM
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.
However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't  workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.

He's 29 and this is his first relegation. Burnley also finished 7th and 10th in recent years so it hasn't all been struggle.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara
Post by: Bad English on May 23, 2022, 12:10:06 PM
Nice effort Mr. Taupin but in reality it will be :

Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Oh Lord Kamara
France Gall, Babacar could become Boubacar...
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Post by: cdward on May 23, 2022, 12:17:20 PM
Good signing in the position we all knew was needed.
I was worried we were going to splurge £60M on a Kalvin Philipps, who is a good player, but not worth the prices being touted. We have obviously been tracking this guy a while and January wasn't the right time.

Free transfer, aged 22, 5 year contract, signed under the radar the day after the season finishes, is exactly the kind of thing i want to see.
Glad we now have a natural DM who is happy to play there, instead of Douglas Luiz.
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Post by: Smithy on May 23, 2022, 12:19:35 PM
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.
However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't  workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.

He's 29 and this is his first relegation. Burnley also finished 7th and 10th in recent years so it hasn't all been struggle.

Tarkowski is an excellent defender, and quite good on the ball too (for a centre-half), but he's far from quick, and if we're going to continue playing with full-backs high up the pitch, I think the centre-halves have to have pace to be able to cover runs in behind when necessary.  Burnley play so deep that pace isn't really an issue for him, or Ben Mee.

On a free, I think he's better than Hause to make up our four centre-backs, but I'd hope we are looking for slightly better than him and someone who will definitely go into the 11.
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Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2022, 12:22:56 PM
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.
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Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 12:23:56 PM
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.

Presumably we'd only buy him if Gerrard thought he was better than either of those two though?
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Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2022, 12:26:21 PM
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.

The preffered foot of a centre half only seems to be something that's become relevant of late. I don't remember ever considering which foot a stopper uses until the last few years.

I guess it's become more of an issue now that they're actually used constructively, but still given they play centrally is shouldn't really be much of an issue.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 12:26:23 PM
Boubakar Kamara
What a wonderful name
It means no worries
For the rest of our days...

Lyrics need work, but having been dissapointed with the lack of take up on my Chukwuemeka Lion King song, maybe this could have more legs? 
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Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
Nice effort Mr. Taupin but in reality it will be :

Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Oh Lord Kamara
France Gall, Babacar could become Boubacar...

His name is heartbreakingly close to scanning with the chorus of Babooshka by Kate Bush.
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Post by: purpletrousers on May 23, 2022, 12:44:19 PM
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.

Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!

We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.

There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.

Well done Villa.  Arsenal fans are fuming!

International jealousy too: Senegalese Dad and French mum means he's got the choice of both.
Despite an alleged agreement in principle with Senegal he's currently in the French squad so if he plays, that seals it & Senegal lose out.

Apparently* Atleti, Man U & Arsenal had all agreed terms at various points and believed they'd sealed the deal so no wonder their fans are pissed off and Johan Lange has earned his new nickname:

African Boubacar Transfer Reverser

*entirely untrue but the Intl stuff is real
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Post by: Bad English on May 23, 2022, 12:46:07 PM
As he has three syllables in his name, he could have the old Ormondroyd song.
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Post by: manic-road on May 23, 2022, 12:49:42 PM
Haven't seen him play but hope he vastly improves the team, welcome Boubacar.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 12:52:53 PM
Apparently* Atleti, Man U & Arsenal had all agreed terms at various points and believed they'd sealed the deal so no wonder their fans are pissed off and Johan Lange has earned his new nickname:
African Boubacar Transfer Reverser

Surely just
African Boubacar Reverser
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 12:53:56 PM
Ligue 1 journalist seems suitably impressed. https://twitter.com/mattspiro/status/1528659477439950848
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Post by: Scratchins on May 23, 2022, 12:54:44 PM
Apparently* Atleti, Man U & Arsenal had all agreed terms at various points and believed they'd sealed the deal so no wonder their fans are pissed off and Johan Lange has earned his new nickname:
African Boubacar Transfer Reverser

Surely just
African Boubacar Reverser



 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 12:57:01 PM
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave

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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 01:03:55 PM
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave

Saw some of that earlier, very encouraging. Could also be cover at CB or for Cash if need be.
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Post by: purpletrousers on May 23, 2022, 01:10:18 PM
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave

Saw some of that earlier, very encouraging. Could also be cover at CB or for Cash if need be.

Yep the stats/rankings 4.30-5mins is significantly impressive. On paper seems a significant achievement and yes the sense of momentum/building big wisely could come... It's the hope that etc
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 23, 2022, 01:11:02 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been answered, but did Sanson and Kamara play together in the same team at Marseille?
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Post by: Beard82 on May 23, 2022, 01:18:03 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been answered, but did Sanson and Kamara play together in the same team at Marseille?
Yes

I think he but the call in to Kamara to say how comfortable the bench is at Villa Park
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Post by: Goldenballs on May 23, 2022, 01:18:44 PM
Hadn't heard of him before this season, but it's always exciting to get in someone new. Good work all round.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 01:24:16 PM
I hope brother Cdbearsfan has cast aside his transfer fears now that we have signed the player. Only kidding mate.

This is a really good signing of the type of young talented player that we need to continue to build upon. Him JJ, add one or two really promising up and coming players along with serious ready made talent we can be much better next season. Coutinho and Buendia either side of a proper number 9 is a must also.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 01:27:09 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 01:29:12 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.
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Post by: dave shelley on May 23, 2022, 01:30:38 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.

Bordeauxly Green.
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Post by: gpbarr on May 23, 2022, 01:31:14 PM
Nice to wake up to a very positive statement of intent from the club - he will certainly bring some steel into the club and thats something we have really missed in midfield.

Well done all concerned
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 01:33:14 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.

Bordeauxly Green.

Petite Heath.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 01:33:32 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.

Bordeauxly Green.

Very good.
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Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2022, 01:35:35 PM
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.

And Mings and Hause are left-footed. Do you want Tarkowski to grow a third one for variety?
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Post by: Proposition Joe on May 23, 2022, 01:39:46 PM
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave



Lots of mention of tactical intelligence. Would that make him the first player at Villa to have any kind of tactical intelligence since ... I dunno, Petrov? Footballing brains have been sorely lacking in recent years.
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Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2022, 01:40:49 PM
Presumably he played with Sanson at OM?

Sanson must have had great things to say about how generous Villa are financially but that the manager has his favourites of which Kamara presumably will be one.

If I read right that Marseille clinched Champs League qualification on the last day, it's even more impressive that we landed him (added to the reports that he turned-down Atleti). I assume there must be a low-ish release clause in case we keep pissing around in mid-table and we must have thrown a chunky signing-on fee at him too to seal the deal. Whatever the details, he'll get a full pre-season to get ready. Just please be a reliable lynchpin and help us win the FA Cup, for the love of God, it's all we ask.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 01:42:36 PM
Excellent news. Another signing that the manager's name will have attracted I reckon,

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1528670269161734145

Kamara had four proposals on the table.
“But when I met with Steven Gerrard in my home, I knew Aston Villa was for me”, Kamara says.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
Yes the manager is helping get some serious quality into the club.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 23, 2022, 01:46:51 PM
Welcome Bouba. Let’s hope he turns out to be the player we’ve been screaming out for. It’ll be even sweeter with a free transfer and it’ll free up funds for others hopefully. Wouldn’t mind Tarkowski on a free as well.
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Post by: dorsetvillian on May 23, 2022, 01:58:02 PM
Great news..
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 23, 2022, 02:03:33 PM
Presumably he played with Sanson at OM?

Sanson must have had great things to say about how generous Villa are financially but that the manager has his favourites of which Kamara presumably will be one.

If I read right that Marseille clinched Champs League qualification on the last day, it's even more impressive that we landed him (added to the reports that he turned-down Atleti). I assume there must be a low-ish release clause in case we keep pissing around in mid-table and we must have thrown a chunky signing-on fee at him too to seal the deal. Whatever the details, he'll get a full pre-season to get ready. Just please be a reliable lynchpin and help us win the FA Cup, for the love of God, it's all we ask.

There's little doubt in my mind that this is the case. To get to where we want to be, we have to sign players that already belong there or will reach that level very soon. And they'll only come if they know we will let them leave if we don't hold up our end of the deal by progressing to where they want to be.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 02:19:39 PM
Fair enough really.  If we sign players who have chosen to run down their contracts at their boyhood club (who have just qualified for the CL) then I think the most we can hope for is a mutually beneficial working relationship.  Expect there to be a release clause or for him to move on when it suits him.  In the meantime, if he helps us move up a level, then it will have been worth it.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 02:51:02 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

Now stretching the shirt at BMH so all is good. https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1528728277350813699
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
He's already been to Bodymoor and stretched the shirt. Not that he needs to, he's as skinny as a pencil.
Needs a few weeks in the gym and 3 meals a day at McGinn's house.
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Post by: simon ward 50 on May 23, 2022, 03:23:59 PM
Welcome
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Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2022, 03:35:29 PM
Unreal.

We're building a serious squad now.

Fantastic bit of business.
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2022, 03:39:23 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.

Bordeauxly Green.

Petite Heath.
Petty Heath.
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....

Now stretching the shirt at BMH so all is good. https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1528728277350813699
Welcome Boubacar. Now you are a player for the greatest football club in the world.
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Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
He could have Conor Hourihane's song..... Bouba Kamara.....
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Post by: algy on May 23, 2022, 04:11:26 PM
Lots of mention of tactical intelligence. Would that make him the first player at Villa to have any kind of tactical intelligence since ... I dunno, Petrov? Footballing brains have been sorely lacking in recent years.
Footballing brains?  With Micah Richards, Gabby, and more recently Joe we've probably been in negative equity for any kind of intelligence for a while
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 23, 2022, 04:24:39 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been answered, but did Sanson and Kamara play together in the same team at Marseille?
Yes

I think he but the call in to Kamara to say how comfortable the bench is at Villa Park

Cheers
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Post by: villadelph on May 23, 2022, 04:52:07 PM
Can anyone provide any insight on his leadership qualities?

It feels like we've been missing that aspect in the midfield for quite some time.
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Post by: Chris Smith on May 23, 2022, 05:06:44 PM
Can anyone provide any insight on his leadership qualities?

It feels like we've been missing that aspect in the midfield for quite some time.

No, but at 22 I wouldn’t expect him to start bossing people around.
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Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2022, 05:11:07 PM
Still makes me laugh how people refer to him as Joe.

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Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2022, 05:16:57 PM
Can anyone provide any insight on his leadership qualities?

It feels like we've been missing that aspect in the midfield for quite some time.

No, but at 22 I wouldn’t expect him to start bossing people around.

Tell that to your son *ba-dum-tish

** Apologies if you don't have a 22 year old son
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Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2022, 05:20:29 PM
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.
However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't  workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.

No worries there. We lost 19 of our league games this season (half!), Burnley only lost 17.
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Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2022, 05:21:42 PM
A good target for next season would be to keep our losses within a single digit.
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Post by: Paul.S on May 23, 2022, 05:25:36 PM
Can’t say I’ve heard of him but glad Gerrard has identified an area we’ve needed upgrading for a long time. We do get bullied in midfield at times and I’d like to see another central midfielder come in who can play but is also physically able to look after himself.
Big summer ahead but I really think we are a few players away from a very decent team/squad.
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Post by: Scovilla on May 23, 2022, 05:26:56 PM
He has leadership qualities. He has often  captained Marseille. Marseille is probably the team that get most pressure from their fans in France.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 23, 2022, 05:32:14 PM
Very happy, welcome and good luck
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Post by: Paul.S on May 23, 2022, 05:41:39 PM
He has leadership qualities. He has often  captained Marseille. Marseille is probably the team that get most pressure from their fans in France.
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Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2022, 06:06:44 PM
The biggest thing for me is that a lot of comments from people who've watched him talk about his awareness and intelligence, I think that's going to be a big positive of this signing.
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Post by: gpbarr on May 23, 2022, 06:17:02 PM
Can’t say I’ve heard of him but glad Gerrard has identified an area we’ve needed upgrading for a long time. We do get bullied in midfield at times and I’d like to see another central midfielder come in who can play but is also physically able to look after himself.
Big summer ahead but I really think we are a few players away from a very decent team/squad.


I think of the current squad, only Martinez, Cash, Digne, Buendia, Coutinho, and now Kamara are capable of being virtual match-day shoe ins for a team trying to qualify for Europe. Everyone else in the squad to me screams 'mid table' (including younger players like Ramsey, Carney, Tim, Cameron etc who may go on to become stars but right now are still developing and need more time).

I'd hope we will at a minimum, add two additional Kamara like signings, one at CB (one of Mings, Konza, Chambers, Hause can compete for the other spot), and a striker. That would give us a fighting chance next year of starting to compete for a top 8 spot.     
     
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2022, 06:20:25 PM
Can’t say I’ve heard of him but glad Gerrard has identified an area we’ve needed upgrading for a long time. We do get bullied in midfield at times and I’d like to see another central midfielder come in who can play but is also physically able to look after himself.
Big summer ahead but I really think we are a few players away from a very decent team/squad.


I think of the current squad, only Martinez, Cash, Digne, Buendia, Coutinho, and now Kamara are capable of being virtual match-day shoe ins for a team trying to qualify for Europe. Everyone else in the squad to me screams 'mid table' (including younger players like Ramsey, Carney, Tim, Cameron etc who may go on to become stars but right now are still developing and need more time).

I'd hope we will at a minimum, add two additional Kamara like signings, one at CB (one of Mings, Konza, Chambers, Hause can compete for the other spot), and a striker. That would give us a fighting chance next year of starting to compete for a top 8 spot.     
     
   


Exactly this
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 06:36:03 PM
I think of the current squad, only Martinez, Cash, Digne, Buendia, Coutinho, and now Kamara are capable of being virtual match-day shoe ins for a team trying to qualify for Europe. Everyone else in the squad to me screams 'mid table' (including younger players like Ramsey, Carney, Tim, Cameron etc who may go on to become stars but right now are still developing and need more time).

I'd hope we will at a minimum, add two additional Kamara like signings, one at CB (one of Mings, Konza, Chambers, Hause can compete for the other spot), and a striker. That would give us a fighting chance next year of starting to compete for a top 8 spot.     

I think that's fair enough and it's worth noting 3 of the 6 were signed by SG and 2 the others have recently signed long term term deals. Think we may need another top quality DM as well as the CB and striker and should be looking for the right quality (50-60m range) if necessary.

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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2022, 06:46:54 PM
No idea if Kamara is any good.

But it’s certainly a step up from wasting £5m on players like Tshibola
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2022, 06:47:28 PM
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.

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Post by: Beard82 on May 23, 2022, 07:00:58 PM
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.
:-)  - To be fair his goals kept us in the PL the first year back
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2022, 07:06:49 PM
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.
:-)  - To be fair his goals kept us in the PL the first year back
Let's hope Kamara keeps us in the PL too :)
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Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.

I don't recall the comments from fans of Man U, Atleti, etc moaning about missing out on trez though.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2022, 07:10:30 PM
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.

I don't recall the comments from fans of Man U, Atleti, etc moaning about missing out on trez though.
well they should have been :)
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 23, 2022, 07:19:07 PM
Never heard of him. Is the bloke world class?
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Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2022, 07:20:24 PM
Never heard of him. Is the bloke world class?

No, but he might be soon.
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Post by: papa lazarou on May 23, 2022, 07:43:38 PM
Song wise, his name fits perfectly with I Predict A Riot, if some creative genius could add a few words.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 23, 2022, 08:17:23 PM
Do your best from Day 1 and every 1 thereafter and you'll make us better.  You'll still have the better part of the deal playing for Villa
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2022, 08:27:26 PM
Just had a text from a French dude I worked with. He’s a Marseille fan. Said Kamara is very good. That’s about all I know. 
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Post by: rougegorge on May 23, 2022, 10:46:06 PM
I doubt if many on here know how good he is, including myself. He's obviously been good at Marseille, but our track record of signing players from Ligue 1 hasn't been great. Let's hope we buck that trend.

I don't know if doing our business early is good either. It should be, but our signings and our timing didn't really help us for this season.

In short, I'm not going to go overboard on any new signings for a while, although by rights, Kamara should be a very good addition. The proof of the pudding...
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Post by: rougegorge on May 23, 2022, 10:46:17 PM
I doubt if many on here know how good he is, including myself. He's obviously been good at Marseille, but our track record of signing players from Ligue 1 hasn't been great. Let's hope we buck that trend.

I don't know if doing our business early is good either. It should be, but our signings and our timing didn't really help us for this season.

In short, I'm not going to go overboard on any new signings for a while, although by rights, Kamara should be a very good addition. The proof of the pudding...
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2022, 10:52:04 PM
You can say that again.
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Post by: rougegorge on May 24, 2022, 12:12:24 AM
You can say that again.
😂
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2022, 12:27:28 AM
I doubt if many on here know how good he is, including myself. He's obviously been good at Marseille, but our track record of signing players from Ligue 1 hasn't been great. Let's hope we buck that trend.

I don't know if doing our business early is good either. It should be, but our signings and our timing didn't really help us for this season.

In short, I'm not going to go overboard on any new signings for a while, although by rights, Kamara should be a very good addition. The proof of the pudding...
so not doing the business early would mean other potential rivals could do the business before us.
Yeh that’s a great strategy, let’s leave all of our signings until some one else signs our targets.
Brilliant
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Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2022, 12:30:32 AM
Never heard of him. Is the bloke world class?

Sensational...as per Twitter handle Villa Analytics. He's been scouted for a good while by the club so fingers crossed and all that.
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Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2022, 03:33:57 AM
Just had a text from a French dude I worked with. He’s a Marseille fan. Said Kamara is very good. That’s about all I know. 

What did he say when we bought Sanson?
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2022, 05:34:18 AM
Just had a text from a French dude I worked with. He’s a Marseille fan. Said Kamara is very good. That’s about all I know. 

What did he say when we bought Sanson?

Nothing.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2022, 05:34:25 AM
https://youtu.be/iFVwoetRvh0
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2022, 05:42:37 AM
https://youtu.be/iFVwoetRvh0
Pretty reassuring.
Seems like exactly what we need.
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Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 07:37:00 AM
From Sky:

Kamara looks like being a shrewd signing by Villa - signing a player that has just been called up to represent the world champions on a free transfer is not an opportunity that presents itself every day.

It is no surprise that clubs across Europe were reported to be interested in Kamara, who was a key part of the Marseille side that qualified for the Champions League under Jorge Sampaoli. The charismatic Argentinian's team were second to champions Paris Saint-Germain in the majority of possession statistics this season, and Kamara was a key cog in their midfield, ranking first for passes completed among all Ligue 1 midfielders.

The Marseille academy product largely played as a holding midfielder under Sampaoli this season, but he also filled in at centre-back on occasions. Marseille had one of the strongest defences in the French top flight and Kamara was again key, ranking in the top 10 for clearances and aerial duels won among midfielders.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 24, 2022, 09:44:28 AM
Marseille fans aren't best pleased. They think he's a greedy little bastard. He's basically their version of Joe.

They also think coming to us is a step down, the cheeky twats.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2022, 09:52:47 AM
Marseille fans aren't best pleased. They think he's a greedy little bastard. He's basically their version of Joe.

They also think coming to us is a step down, the cheeky twats.

Well that would make it 2 of them stepping down recently then
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Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 10:01:41 AM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
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Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
I note from the first interview on Pravda, that he spoke with Digne and Sanson too.

I'm gaining respect for Sanson more and more as he clearly talks the club up despite not getting a lot of opportunities.
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Post by: Risso on May 24, 2022, 10:57:46 AM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 10:59:30 AM
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

In other words, when we're the beneficiaries you couldn't give a shit! :)
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Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2022, 11:25:34 AM
"Biggest and bestest league"...presume Drummond is displaying some Yorkshire wit rather than sipping the PL Kool-aid.
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Post by: rooboy316 on May 24, 2022, 11:26:33 AM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
The flip side of that is we got a big fat cheque to ease the pain, marseille gets diddly squat.
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Post by: BC Villain on May 24, 2022, 12:09:15 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2022, 12:17:38 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19


They are already starting to piss me off with their project.  It didnt 't take long before they became deluded 
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Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 12:23:56 PM
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

In other words, when we're the beneficiaries you couldn't give a shit! :)

It was an attempt at (very) dry wit.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2022, 01:55:46 PM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
More than that though.  We know Jack moved for trophies as well as money and whatever people think if him signing the contract, it made us £100m.

This lad has been there since he was 5 and has wound his contract down and moving for free, from a CL club to a club hoping it may be in the Europa leage in 23-24.  If our fans hate Jack and are pissed off that Carney hasn't signed, imagine the meldown if we were in Marseille's position.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2022, 01:57:23 PM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?
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Post by: AV82EC on May 24, 2022, 01:58:10 PM
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

In other words, when we're the beneficiaries you couldn't give a shit! :)

Exactly this is football, it’s tribal not the WI knitting team. I love the fact we’ve done this the day after the season ended and seem to have pissed off Arsenal, Newcastle and Atleti fans. What’s not to like?
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Post by: Risso on May 24, 2022, 02:36:50 PM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?

I'm glad he's gone, the horrible, pissed up chav. I wouldn't have him back on a free.
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 24, 2022, 02:44:44 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19


They are already starting to piss me off with their project.  It didnt 't take long before they became deluded

When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 24, 2022, 02:45:22 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19


They are already starting to piss me off with their project.  It didnt 't take long before they became deluded 

When was it that Newcastle fans weren't deluded?
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Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 02:47:47 PM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?

I'm glad he's gone, the horrible, pissed up chav. I wouldn't have him back on a free.

Me either. Anyway, let's not sully this thread.

I'm loving the business we're doing. Gerrard is obviously doing well along with Lange and Purslow.
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Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2022, 03:00:40 PM
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.

I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.

Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?

I'm glad he's gone, the horrible, pissed up chav. I wouldn't have him back on a free.

Me either. Anyway, let's not sully this thread.

I'm loving the business we're doing. Gerrard is obviously doing well along with Lange and Purslow.

I do wonder if Lange had maybe found that some feedback on deals he'd previously been pursuing would've stood a better chance of happening if our manager/head coach was higher profile, and this fed into the decision to sack Smith and bring in Gerrard.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2022, 03:19:49 PM
I don’t know about that. I’m sure Gerrard’s profile has helped though. Certainly we’re not getting Coutinho. But I don’t know that Kamara is higher profile than Leon Bailey for example. Or Danny Ings. Having Smith didn’t impede those deals for example.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
Watched some footage of him and he looks exactly the kind of player we need.  Ideally, I think we could have done with a more experienced leader type in there, as I feel we are missing that in the team in general, but I'm looking forward to seeing him next season.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2022, 04:42:25 PM
Philippe Auclair described it as a “stunning coup for Villa”. Talked about him being one of the future stars of French football.
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Post by: LeonW on May 24, 2022, 05:15:12 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19


They are already starting to piss me off with their project.  It didnt 't take long before they became deluded

When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.

I could definitely see that happening.

Just to point out the obvious to the Geordies, but why do they think Bruno Guimaraes decided to leave Lyon (who were playing European football at the time) to join a relegation threatened Newcastle?
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Post by: Pat McMahon on May 24, 2022, 05:53:17 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19


They are already starting to piss me off with their project.  It didnt 't take long before they became deluded

When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.

I could definitely see that happening.

Just to point out the obvious to the Geordies, but why do they think Bruno Guimaraes decided to leave Lyon (who were playing European football at the time) to join a relegation threatened Newcastle?

Big fan of Stotty cakes  - much better than the gastronomy of Lyon.
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Post by: LeonW on May 24, 2022, 05:54:54 PM
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....

https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19


They are already starting to piss me off with their project.  It didnt 't take long before they became deluded

When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.

I could definitely see that happening.

Just to point out the obvious to the Geordies, but why do they think Bruno Guimaraes decided to leave Lyon (who were playing European football at the time) to join a relegation threatened Newcastle?

Big fan of Stotty cakes  - much better than the gastronomy of Lyon.

That must have been what sealed it.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 06:49:59 PM
No, but at 22 I wouldn’t expect him to start bossing people around.

Unlikely given he's already married.

Two kids too, Leeroy and Kingsley so despite his youth he's clearly a fan of 'Fame' and 'Lucky Jim'.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2022, 07:30:05 PM
I haven’t read the entire thread.
This is what he put on Twitter

Quand le mensonge prend l'ascenseur, la vérité prend l'escalier. Même si elle met plus de temps, la vérité finit toujours par arriver !

Short of a seagull but that’s always good!
(your chips are safe)

Resisting the obvious Grace Bros / Marseille parallel, I like him!
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Post by: Risso on May 24, 2022, 08:01:03 PM
I thought you'd actually translated it there Lou, and was wondering what on earth he was on about! :)
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 08:04:56 PM
Resisting the obvious Grace Bros / Marseille parallel, I like him!

Probably for the best, I got in trouble for a Grace Bros reference a few months back. ;)
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2022, 08:14:54 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2022, 08:38:36 PM
I want a whole team of Number 10s.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
I want a whole team of Number 10s.

That’s more like it
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2022, 09:11:34 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.

Ings can go to Brighton as part-exchange for Bissouma too, so the squad doesnt get too bloated.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2022, 10:01:07 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Agree. Every time I see the letters 'DM' it's like I'm reading John Gregory's diary.

We've signed one now, let's focus on fancy Dans!
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Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 10:08:12 PM
Given my initials are DM I find it very strange indeed!
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Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2022, 10:24:37 PM
Given my initials are DM I find it very strange indeed!

Are you a fancy dan, or can you play defensive midfield.  The really important question is:  can you take a penalty?
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Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2022, 12:04:57 AM
I can take a pen.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 25, 2022, 02:59:54 AM
I thought you'd actually translated it there Lou, and was wondering what on earth he was on about! :)

French footballers and philosophy, inevitable really!

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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 25, 2022, 03:55:21 AM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2022, 09:13:16 AM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.

Oh ffs it’s never going to end is it
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2022, 12:56:04 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.

I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.
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Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2022, 01:10:42 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.

I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.

They're like a couple of nightclub bouncers that will not tolerate any fucking about whatsoever.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2022, 01:42:37 PM
Soucek for around £20m has to be one of the best signings a club outside of the top six has made in a long time. A little like the Kante signing by Leicester in what he brings in terms of presence and reliability. He’s excellent defensively and has scored some really valuable goals for them
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Post by: richtheholtender on May 25, 2022, 02:39:04 PM
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.
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Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2022, 03:04:59 PM
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.

I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.

The more I look into him the more I want it to be Sangare, he looks a fantastic player to go along the midfielders we have.
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Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2022, 03:37:38 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.

I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.

They're like a couple of nightclub bouncers that will not tolerate any fucking about whatsoever.

Like Mazrim and Mazrim's Bruv
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Post by: boozey182 on May 25, 2022, 03:42:53 PM
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.

I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.


It will be mid-game where that is most beneficial. He wins the ball and there's space for him to run into - he becomes an 8 for that passage of play. Both of our fullbacks charge up the pitch - he can join the CBs and help them cover if the other team break.

It's something neither Doug or Marv could ever do, and it offers us flexible game plans which is something we haven't really had for a long time.
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Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2022, 04:08:05 PM
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.


Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager

Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.

I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.

They're like a couple of nightclub bouncers that will not tolerate any fucking about whatsoever.

Like Mazrim and Mazrim's Bruv

They we're on the door for 'Snow White's', the club of choice for the vertically challenged
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Post by: OCD on May 25, 2022, 04:09:14 PM
If he's anything like Kante, it would be like playing with 12 players.
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Post by: richtheholtender on May 25, 2022, 04:42:59 PM
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.

I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.

The more I look into him the more I want it to be Sangare, he looks a fantastic player to go along the midfielders we have.



It was the part where he said "we've brought him in as a midfielder" not DCM just midfielder. That's how I read it.
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Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2022, 04:50:49 PM
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.

I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.

The more I look into him the more I want it to be Sangare, he looks a fantastic player to go along the midfielders we have.

It was the part where he said "we've brought him in as a midfielder" not DCM just midfielder. That's how I read it.

Yeah, I assumed as much, I just don't think he meant it the way you've assumed but rather that we've signed him to play one of the 3 midfield roles and he's versatile enough to play in any of them, so not really saying anything about where he plans to play him week-in week-out. I guess we'll see what happens later in the window and at the start of the season.
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Post by: andyh on May 25, 2022, 05:47:11 PM
If he's anything like Kante, it would be like playing with 12 players.
Bloody hell, if he’s ANYTHING like Kante we’ll be very fortunate to have him
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2022, 06:19:24 PM
I'm pretty sure he's been signed as a DM but Gerrard is just talking up his versatility.  If we want to play a double pivot I think Dougie can probably do that when he's not having to shoulder all the defensive responsibility.
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Post by: Risso on May 25, 2022, 06:41:20 PM
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.

He's our modern day NRC, minus the huddles and pointing.
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Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2022, 06:46:01 PM
I'm pretty sure he's been signed as a DM but Gerrard is just talking up his versatility.  If we want to play a double pivot I think Dougie can probably do that when he's not having to shoulder all the defensive responsibility.
TBH, Tim and Boubou together would make a fine pairing.
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2022, 07:07:44 PM
I’ve decided all you DMO’s (defensive midfielder obsessives) don’t know what your talking about
You can’t even make your mind up about what one actually is

And you’ve all been talking complete bollocks for the last 3 seasons and more. 😊

                                                               
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2022, 07:11:09 PM
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.

He's our modern day NRC, minus the huddles and pointing.

Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.

I thought it at the time and I still think it now.

Dog shit.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2022, 07:33:54 PM
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.

He's our modern day NRC, minus the huddles and pointing.

Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.

I thought it at the time and I still think it now.

Dog shit.

I thought he was good when playing for West Ham as a midfielder who broke down opponents attacking plays. He came to us and turned to shit. And then MON decided, as with every other non RB, he would be a good RB and left real RB's on the bench.
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 25, 2022, 07:41:24 PM
I’ve decided all you DMO’s (defensive midfielder obsessives) don’t know what your talking about
You can’t even make your mind up about what one actually is

And you’ve all been talking complete bollocks for the last 3 seasons and more. 😊

                                                               

That's why villa have been bollocks because we have no one to protect the back four when needec
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Post by: Risso on May 25, 2022, 07:58:55 PM

Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.

I thought it at the time and I still think it now.

Dog shit.

By christ he was shit. If he had the ball and tried to run with it, off he'd go in a straight line, head down, eyes fixed on the ball until he ran into an opponent.

And then there was this:



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Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2022, 10:07:00 PM
It was funny when O'Neill got Nige by the throat in a training session, years before it was a popular sex act. Pube-head the porn-pioneer!
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Post by: danno on May 25, 2022, 10:12:01 PM
First time I ever heard the word "contretemps" used by a football manager. Didn't they fall out because O'neil expressed similar sentiments to Paulie, and basically told Nige he was shit?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 25, 2022, 10:25:10 PM

Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.

I thought it at the time and I still think it now.

Dog shit.

By christ he was shit. If he had the ball and tried to run with it, off he'd go in a straight line, head down, eyes fixed on the ball until he ran into an opponent.

And then there was this:





That video gives the impression that it lasts for 1 min 20 secs. I've just watched it and it feels like I've lost years of my time.
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Post by: shirley_villan on May 25, 2022, 11:25:08 PM
Which game was it when Reo-Coker somehow went through on goal with only the keeper to beat (obviously fucked it up) and it seemed like half the ground was laughing even before he got his shot off? Unless I've dreamt it?
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Post by: LeonW on May 25, 2022, 11:27:37 PM
Which game was it when Reo-Coker somehow went through on goal with only the keeper to beat (obviously fucked it up) and it seemed like half the ground was laughing even before he got his shot off? Unless I've dreamt it?

Was that the 0-0 at home to Chelsea in 10/11 season?
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Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2022, 12:49:19 AM
Which game was it when Reo-Coker somehow went through on goal with only the keeper to beat (obviously fucked it up) and it seemed like half the ground was laughing even before he got his shot off? Unless I've dreamt it?

Was that the 0-0 at home to Chelsea in 10/11 season?

It was against Chelsea not sure what year but prime Messi impersonation then you saw the panic in his eyes as he approached the keeper.
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Post by: Hillbilly on May 26, 2022, 04:11:04 AM
First time I ever heard the word "contretemps" used by a football manager. Didn't they fall out because O'neil expressed similar sentiments to Paulie, and basically told Nige he was shit?
It doesn't reflect well on the manager who bought NRC. Sounds like they didn't do due diligence and watch him play, scope him out. And of course the manager who bought NRC was... Martin O'Neill.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2022, 02:38:20 PM
First time I ever heard the word "contretemps" used by a football manager.

MON was a big fan of all things continental.
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Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2022, 02:59:34 PM
Except players.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 26, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
I've seen worse than NRC in our midfield, he wasn't too bad at winning the ball back to be fair but for the money we paid which was quite a bit at the time, he was a let down. He did play a fair bit in 2 seasons where we finished 6th though.
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Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 03:37:35 PM
At the time the three central midfielders that most teams seemed to be sniffing round were Reo Coker, Barton and Parker. Trust us to get the one who couldn't play football.
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Post by: UK Redsox on May 26, 2022, 03:46:24 PM
There was one game at VP when NRC played centre back. Can't remember why
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 26, 2022, 04:02:56 PM
Philippe Auclair described it as a “stunning coup for Villa”. Talked about him being one of the future stars of French football.

I heard him say this as well. Definitely seemed surprised we'd pulled this off and made me optimistic.
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Post by: enigma on May 26, 2022, 06:37:51 PM
Philippe Auclair described it as a “stunning coup for Villa”. Talked about him being one of the future stars of French football.

I heard him say this as well. Definitely seemed surprised we'd pulled this off and made me optimistic.
I listened to that too. Auclair is a journo I've got a lot of time for so I'm pretty excited by this
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Post by: Dave P on May 27, 2022, 09:39:15 AM
At the time the three central midfielders that most teams seemed to be sniffing round were Reo Coker, Barton and Parker. Trust us to get the one who couldn't play football.

Well we dodged a bullet with Barton.
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Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 09:53:41 AM
At the time the three central midfielders that most teams seemed to be sniffing round were Reo Coker, Barton and Parker. Trust us to get the one who couldn't play football.

Well we dodged a bullet with Barton.

He was a nutter but was also a good player, the type our midfield was generally missing. He was a far better footballer than Reo Coker, that's for certain.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2022, 10:01:01 AM
Reo-Coker wasn't too bad so long as you didn't ask him to do anything too radical like crossing the halfway line or kicking the ball forwards.
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Post by: Ads on May 27, 2022, 10:09:43 AM
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs
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Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 10:12:13 AM
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs

God he did, didn't he? The fucking donkey
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 27, 2022, 10:13:23 AM
That was easier to score than miss as I recall.
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Post by: adrenachrome on May 27, 2022, 11:56:13 AM
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs

Limbs indeed.

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Post by: Ads on May 27, 2022, 12:11:03 PM
Glorious. Truly glorious.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2022, 12:13:09 PM
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs

Limbs indeed.



Less of the 'limbs' please. From there 'tis but a short step to 'banter', and then where would we all be?
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Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
15 years ago September, bloody hell.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2022, 12:15:54 PM
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs

Limbs indeed.

Less of the 'limbs' please. From there 'tis but a short step to 'banter', and then where would we all be?

Lulz.
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Post by: eamonn on May 27, 2022, 12:26:51 PM
Gabby's goalline clearance arguably more impressive than his goal.
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Post by: Rigadon on May 27, 2022, 12:36:28 PM
Ah yes....  Even when Gabby was shit he'd score against them.  Hahaha. 
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Post by: WarszaVillan on May 27, 2022, 01:58:58 PM
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs

Limbs indeed.



Less of the 'limbs' please. From there 'tis but a short step to 'banter', and then where would we all be?

And describing players a 'ballers', whatever that means.
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Post by: trinityoap on May 27, 2022, 02:11:05 PM
After banter comes bantz.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2022, 02:17:40 PM
Will be interesting to hear more details on this. https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/status/1530148331028094981?
http://sportwitness.co.uk/60m-5-years-details-aston-villa-contract-revealed-player-doubled-wages/

€125k a week wages seems about right, but I doubt we paid a €30m signing on fee.
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Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2022, 07:10:53 PM
It's monopoly money anyway so who cares.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2022, 07:16:01 PM
It's a warchest not a community chest.

Anyway I'd like to know.
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Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2022, 07:53:36 PM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2022, 07:56:09 PM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

I'm sure if Mervyn King has a quick word that'll go nowhere.
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Post by: Risso on May 28, 2022, 09:31:48 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2022, 09:45:26 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on May 28, 2022, 09:56:57 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
Wolves fan who writes anti-Villa songs and generally just tries to wind our fans up on Twitter.
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Post by: Chap on May 28, 2022, 10:09:42 AM
Probably doesn’t know what the BoE is!!!
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Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2022, 10:54:20 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.

He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.
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Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2022, 10:58:35 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

I'm sure if Mervyn King has a quick word that'll go nowhere.
Mervyn King and quick word...No. Mervyn+Quick = Deficit
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Post by: Risso on May 28, 2022, 11:30:56 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.

He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.

Was just about to say that. I actually think he's really funny, and a nice lad.
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Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2022, 12:14:15 PM
When we was pretty much safe and had just as much chance of catching Wolves as getting relegated (very slim) he was carrying on the wind up with his relegation watch, he was quite funny. He went right on to it was mathematically impossible. It was quite entertaining. Decent banter and all just a bit of fun. I think he’s just cottoned onto this sudden rivalry from the Wolves fans towards us but being funny with it.
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Post by: AV82EC on May 28, 2022, 02:28:40 PM
When we was pretty much safe and had just as much chance of catching Wolves as getting relegated (very slim) he was carrying on the wind up with his relegation watch, he was quite funny. He went right on to it was mathematically impossible. It was quite entertaining. Decent banter and all just a bit of fun. I think he’s just cottoned onto this sudden rivalry from the Wolves fans towards us but being funny with it.

He’s been doing it for at least 3 seasons I think.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2022, 02:43:03 PM
He always looks to me like his hard drive needs investigation.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2022, 02:44:34 PM
He always looks to me like his hard drive needs investigation.

He looks like Hunter Biden?
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Post by: Beard82 on May 28, 2022, 02:44:47 PM
I love it when villa fans on twitter, see a transfer romour and link in the the OS.

I love the idea of the twitter admin getting onto the phone -

Site Admin: "Johan, good news, @VTID69, thinks that Kante would be up for a move to Villa and would be the perfect fit"
Lange: "A brilliant, I hadnt thought of him, can you ask @VTID69 who he plays for"
Site Admin: "Er, I'm assuming its the Chelsea one"
Lange: "Ah ok, I'll give them a call - thanks"
Site Admin: "Ah wait, @Dave1982 thinks hes overrated"
Lange: "Ah bugger, is he the one that says he wont let his Nan out of the cage until we sell Mings"
Site Admin: "Yeah, thats one"
Lange: "Ah that makes it tricky then."
Site Admin: "Do you want me to start a poll?"
Lange: "No, not yet, just post some more Grealish content while I speak to Steve"
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Post by: Risso on May 28, 2022, 07:58:46 PM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

I think you've missed the joke. In one he's put on some glasses, a serious expression, a jacket, has a random spreadsheet open and has written on the pad "Call Sunak ASAP." Absolute top notch reeling in of Villa fans, fair play to him.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2022, 10:23:44 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.

He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.

Was just about to say that. I actually think he's really funny, and a nice lad.
He started off as a complete twat with his songs, but now his posts are pretty amusing.  He tagged Rishi Sunak in his latest one about our accounts!
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Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2022, 11:20:25 AM
A mate of mine from the Pyrénées Atlantiques (Béarn and Pays Basque), and who has shown no previous interest in the Villa, has just got in touch enquiring about how he could get hold of next season's shirt with Kamara's name on the back. Great! Boubacar is already earning his salary (well, he would be if they were on sale).

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2022, 11:22:32 AM
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.

Bristol City fan by any chance?

No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.

He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.

Was just about to say that. I actually think he's really funny, and a nice lad.

I think he's funny too.

Sometimes it's just not worth taking that sort of thing too seriously.
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Post by: Astnor on June 06, 2022, 08:01:30 PM
His on the bench for for France against Croatia right now, alongside Benzema and Mpappe that is.
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Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 08:36:00 PM
Can't he like tap them up an'shi ?
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Post by: Dogtanian on June 06, 2022, 09:11:28 PM
Just came on.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2022, 09:19:59 PM
Congratulations Bouba.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 06, 2022, 09:21:44 PM
Just came on.

That's doubled his price tag.
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Post by: Bad English on June 06, 2022, 09:22:22 PM
Just came on.
Have you been hibernating?
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Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 09:25:19 PM
Just came on.
Have you been hibernating?

You're an hour ahead!
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Post by: Bad English on June 06, 2022, 09:27:43 PM
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.
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Post by: Dogtanian on June 06, 2022, 09:28:00 PM
Just came on.
Have you been hibernating?

 ;D Been in the Bastille with Porthos
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Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 09:45:01 PM
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.

D'oh...thought I'd joked well.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2022, 09:45:43 PM
Cap number one. Tick ✔️
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Post by: Ads on June 06, 2022, 09:47:31 PM
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.

D'oh...thought I'd joked well.

You dumas.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on June 07, 2022, 04:38:23 AM
You dumas.

Very good!
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Post by: Dogtanian on June 07, 2022, 08:01:51 AM
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.

D'oh...thought I'd joked well.

You dumas.

 ;D
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Post by: Scovilla on June 09, 2022, 09:53:12 PM
Bouba likely to start in midfield tomorrow vs Austria according to French press.
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Post by: Bad English on June 09, 2022, 10:10:47 PM
Yes. Also, the Olympique de Marseille fan who runs the PMU bar opposite my place of work says "No way would I have sold him. You've got a good deal there!"
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Post by: Astnor on June 10, 2022, 09:43:37 PM
I saw the last 30 min of Aus-Fra and I think he was good . can tackle, have positional sense as def mid, quick short passes and some impressive breakthrough long passes as well. He was the onlyone of the midfieldplayers that played all the game. A bit tired at the end maybe and then also missed a couple of passes but not so that it made dangerous situations.
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Post by: Astnor on June 11, 2022, 09:20:04 AM
https://twitter.com/daniel_flkv/status/1535382257502134272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1535382257502134272%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.villatalk.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdaniel_flkv%2Fstatus%2F1535382257502134272%3Fs%3D2126t%3Dh4fxTXMZ10KwNKrpDcW9Qg
Highlights from yesterdays game
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Post by: JD on June 11, 2022, 09:30:12 AM
He looks like a very good player and an upgrade on what we have in a defensive midfield option. 
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2022, 11:21:08 AM
A message to YouTube video compilation creators of the world: we don't need your musical accompaniment. Many thanks.
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Post by: Ian. on June 11, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Looks very tidy and can see a pass. I can image our forwards doing well off him as well as our back four.
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Post by: Luffbralion on June 11, 2022, 05:20:00 PM
Have to say I've never seen Nakamba makes passes like those highlighted in the clip above. Looks the real deal.
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Post by: devilla on June 11, 2022, 06:06:26 PM
A message to YouTube video compilation creators of the world: we don't need your musical accompaniment. Many thanks.

Correct, I find the inane music incredibly irritating.
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Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2022, 06:17:27 PM
Have to say I've never seen Nakamba makes passes like those highlighted in the clip above. Looks the real deal.
Looks like a grown up Bellingham.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2022, 06:44:31 PM
What I like is he's playing for the French national team and doesn't look out of place. Cool head, keeps it simple or makes it look simple.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2022, 07:29:29 PM
https://twitter.com/daniel_flkv/status/1535382257502134272? Highlights from yesterdays game

Mange takk! Limited highlights but looks like he reads the game well and loves a languid lofted pass.

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Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 12, 2022, 10:14:27 AM
He reminds me a bit of Delph, we always looked pretty solid in central midfield when he was in there. It was just a shame that most of the rest of the team was shite at the time.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 12, 2022, 10:52:10 AM
He reminds me a bit of Delph, we always looked pretty solid in central midfield when he was in there. It was just a shame that most of the rest of the team was shite at the time.
A bit, based on the very limited footage I have seen. Though my take on Delph was that his passing was generally good though sometimes unreliable.

Also, sometimes he would take the ball and retain it effectively until an option opened up, then he moved it on (generally) well. This guy looks to have in mind the pass he wants quicker than Delph and if that is right, we will be quicker in transition and therefore faster and more effective with our counter-attack as a result. UTV
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 10:48:46 AM
Very good highlights there.
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Post by: boozey182 on June 13, 2022, 02:20:59 PM
I think that the biggest difference that we'll see with him in the side is that we can start attacks quicker. We are usually so slow to get the ball from one side of the pitch to the other - taking four or five passes when it could be done in one, so that by the time it reaches the target (usually Cash or Digne) the space has been closed up.

Kamara looks like he can speed up that process, and get us on the front foot quicker. It will make such a difference, and create space all over the pitch if the opposition know he could just ping it at any moment. If they try and press us, he will be able to find the space out wide. If they sit off us to prevent that, the midfielders will be able to pick up the space in the middle.

I think our full backs are going to love playing with him.
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Post by: SaddVillan on June 13, 2022, 07:20:27 PM
Starts alongside Lucas Digne tonight for France v Croatia.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2022, 08:29:24 PM
A very smooth operator. Great awareness and positioning in that central role.
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Post by: Scovilla on June 13, 2022, 08:57:00 PM
Substituted at half time. He did not have much influence but he was always composed. I think he needed more moves around him in a rather boring game as well. Definitely a good player.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 06:04:56 PM
Gerrard's comments that Kamara has a great range of passing and can be payed as a 6 or an 8  but that he needs time to adapt is noteworthy and interesting.
When he has settled I think be very welcome in the midfield.

As SG said
"He will need time to settle in and I believe he will strengthen our centre midfield positions be it 6 or an 8"
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 06:08:17 PM
Since Kamara already played at a high level and will be competing for a spot in the French WC squad  I hope he adapts to Premier League quickly and settles in for our good and the good of all of France.

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Post by: Dogtanian on July 06, 2022, 06:14:52 PM
Since Kamara already played at a high level and will be competing for a spot in the French WC squad  I hope he adapts to Premier League quickly and settles in for our good and the good of all of France.

Are you French, Footy?
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 06:18:59 PM
Since Kamara already played at a high level and will be competing for a spot in the French WC squad  I hope he adapts to Premier League quickly and settles in for our good and the good of all of France.

Are you French, Footy?
Chateauneuf du Pape! Non.
But Kamara is Bonnet de douche!
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Post by: Dogtanian on July 06, 2022, 06:37:31 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D
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Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2022, 06:40:00 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D

It means, Romans go home!
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 06, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D

Yeah, a douche with a scotch bonnet doesn't sound particularly pleasant.
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Post by: Risso on July 06, 2022, 07:06:24 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D

Delboy from Only Fools and Horses innit. One of his French sayings, like "mange tout".
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Post by: papa lazarou on July 06, 2022, 08:47:18 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D

It means, Romans go home!

Are you the Judean People's Front?
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2022, 09:23:26 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D

It means, Romans go home!

Are you the Judean People's Front?

No they are wankers
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 06, 2022, 09:30:08 PM
I dread to think what that means!  ;D

It means, Romans go home!

Are you the Judean People's Front?

Splitters!!!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2022, 01:05:39 PM
What a superb first display. Absolutely purred in midfield and look really composed. Made a lot of quick, excellent decisions with and without the ball. The lad is only 22 and will only get better.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2022, 01:12:41 PM
He’s clearly a major talent.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2022, 04:19:31 PM
Nice little montage here of his debut

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA
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Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2022, 04:30:02 PM
Nice little montage here of his debut

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA

Loved that tackle on James from behind as our CBs backed off.
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 17, 2022, 04:49:59 PM
Nice little montage here of his debut

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA

He’s here, he’s there, he’s…
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Nice little montage here of his debut

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA

Even better than I remember. So graceful on the ball yet makes even tough tackles look so easy. Great eye for a pass too, switching it whenever he likes. I'm glad we've got him on a 5 year contract, I really believe he's a very special player.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2022, 04:58:48 PM
Three things immediately noticeable in that clip.

He can ping a pass accurately over a long distance, he's very good at seeing where the ball is going to end up a move or two ahead, and he's excellent at sticking a leg in and nicking the ball away.

Looks excellent.
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Post by: Beard82 on July 17, 2022, 04:59:11 PM
From the bits I’ve seen have seen he looks brilliant - really glad we have him
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2022, 04:59:30 PM
Nice little montage here of his debut

https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA

Loved that tackle on James from behind as our CBs backed off.

That is the same bit that I loved, he's exactly what we've needed for a while.
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Post by: Rigadon on July 17, 2022, 05:04:01 PM
Looks quality.
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Post by: jwarry on July 17, 2022, 07:21:30 PM
What I noticed was that he seamlessly slipped into a back four position when we needed it.  None of our current midfielders could do that except perhaps Chambers
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2022, 07:31:06 PM
What I noticed was that he seamlessly slipped into a back four position when we needed it.  None of our current midfielders could do that except perhaps Chambers

Which probably isn’t too surprising as I’d consider Chambers more of a defender who can play in midfield at a push.
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Post by: OCD on July 17, 2022, 08:30:35 PM
Did he make it a back 5?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2022, 08:44:34 PM
No, he played in front of the back 4. But he seamlessly drifted between defence and a slightly more advanced CM position. 
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Post by: Risso on July 17, 2022, 09:20:48 PM
Some of those first time passes were exquisite. I'm very much looking forward to watching this young man play next season.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2022, 09:25:15 PM
Some of those first time passes were exquisite. I'm very much looking forward to watching this young man play next season.

Yes, it was a Twitter highlights reel but it did look very promising indeed.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
Some of those first time passes were exquisite. I'm very much looking forward to watching this young man play next season.

Yes, it was a Twitter highlights reel but it did look very promising indeed.

He didn’t do much wrong the entire 45 minutes. You’d think he’d been part of this set up for a while in the manner in which he played. He’s going to have harder games of course and this was a friendly. But first impressions are very positive.
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Post by: Hillbilly on July 18, 2022, 05:36:46 AM
We need a poll:
- Injured in September, out for season
- Has a great season, bought by oil money next summer
- Has a great season, stays at Villa

Just kidding with the last one.
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Post by: OzVilla on July 18, 2022, 07:03:50 AM
Watching him live my honest impression was that the pace of the game (even though it was a pre-season friendly) surprised him as the first 15 mins he was a little back on his heels on a couple of occasions but he then grew into the half.  By the end you could see his confidence had grown.

First impressions were that he's a player that can break up play but also posses enough skill and vision to turn teams around and spread the ball, move it on quickly or just keep possession.  I can't think of a better manager for him to be playing under than Gerrard which is probably why we got him.
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Post by: Dave P on July 18, 2022, 09:51:00 AM
We need a poll:
- Injured in September, out for season
- Has a great season, bought by oil money next summer
- Has a great season, stays at Villa

Just kidding with the last one.


As I put in the wacky prediction thread, I'd add that he turns into Ashley Westwood by October.
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Post by: Risso on July 18, 2022, 10:35:21 AM
We need a poll:
- Injured in September, out for season
- Has a great season, bought by oil money next summer
- Has a great season, stays at Villa

Just kidding with the last one.


As I put in the wacky prediction thread, I'd add that he turns into Ashley Westwood by October.

Let's hope so. He'd be following in a long tradition of top notch pointers after Kinsella and Westwood.
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Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2022, 07:49:43 PM
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?
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Post by: LukeJames on July 18, 2022, 08:37:25 PM
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?
If you were to do a highlights real for these it would need to be of them walking their dogs.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2022, 09:05:24 PM
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?
If you were to do a highlights real for these it would need to be of them walking their dogs.

Probably only possible if they visited a hair salon.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
Holman setting up the goal at Anfield?
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Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2022, 09:11:21 PM
He goal at Norwich in the league cup i vaguely remember
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2022, 09:48:57 PM
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?

Also worth remembering, this latest Kamara highlights reel covers one half of one match. Not the 10 years needed to do similar for the likes of the above.
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Post by: AV82EC on July 18, 2022, 10:37:07 PM
He goal at Norwich in the league cup i vaguely remember

A right thunder bastard as well.
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Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2022, 11:08:37 PM
Did he score in a league game too? (1-1 away to QPR rings a bell. I just never want to Wiki the man to check.)
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Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2022, 06:43:59 AM
He goal at Norwich in the league cup i vaguely remember

A right thunder bastard as well.

Sticks in my mind only because earlier that day i was doing some xmas shopping. I bumped in Paul Merson in Argos in Sutton Coldfield of all places. I made some small talk and he told me he’d put a bet on Norwich to win the tie….poor old Merse and his gambling!!
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Post by: purpletrousers on August 04, 2022, 03:20:58 AM
Are we in danger of an original song? Presume we’ve adapted somebody else’s?

https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw

Approx words @ https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw

I’m amused in the thread to read
“ Good, but it's no Bingo the dog (for Diego Carlos)”

Little AV has turned 3 in the close season but will approve highly if she gets to sing
D-I-E-G-O, Diego is his name-o
at her next home game.
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Post by: Risso on August 04, 2022, 09:26:27 AM
Are we in danger of an original song? Presume we’ve adapted somebody else’s?

https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw

Approx words @ https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw

I’m amused in the thread to read
“ Good, but it's no Bingo the dog (for Diego Carlos)”

Little AV has turned 3 in the close season but will approve highly if she gets to sing
D-I-E-G-O, Diego is his name-o
at her next home game.

That Kamara one is dreadful, almost as bad as the Coutinho song.
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Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2022, 12:20:24 PM
I never understand why any player song has to reference the blues and have swearing in it.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 04, 2022, 01:18:22 PM
I think we may be in danger of putting too much expectation on a very young man who has not played at this level, pace or intensity before and will need time to adjust to the Premiership.

He looked good against Walsall and Leeds for a while before tiring. He looked lost against United and not much better against Rennes.
Undoubtedly a quality player but we need to give him time
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Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2022, 02:37:13 PM
Are we in danger of an original song? Presume we’ve adapted somebody else’s?

https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw

Approx words @ https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw

I’m amused in the thread to read
“ Good, but it's no Bingo the dog (for Diego Carlos)”

Little AV has turned 3 in the close season but will approve highly if she gets to sing
D-I-E-G-O, Diego is his name-o
at her next home game.

That Kamara one is dreadful, almost as bad as the Coutinho song.

The kids on Twitter love these chants. Awful imo.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
I like the cut of his jib.
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Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2022, 10:43:28 AM
Excellent  yesterday and could turnout to be our most impressive signing for a while.
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Post by: Dave P on August 14, 2022, 10:53:33 AM
If you’ve watched us since promotion and wondered “what is this team missing?”, it’s this guy. I’ve seen a lot of comments on twitter saying enjoy him while we can, because, sadly, this seems true.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 14, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
If you’ve watched us since promotion and wondered “what is this team missing?”, it’s this guy. I’ve seen a lot of comments on twitter saying enjoy him while we can, because, sadly, this seems true.

Encouraging signs from him and I’m sure the more he settled in the better he’ll become.

Stands a chance that he’ll move onto a more successful club, most of them do but we’ll be well compensated. We’ve got Tim coming through and hopefully our scouting will be as good and we’ll get another similar player if we can’t develop one ourselves.

I suspect we’ll enjoy him for at least a few seasons.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 14, 2022, 11:02:33 AM
Looks the real deal.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 14, 2022, 11:03:58 AM
A player of this quality coming through the door in 2019 would have made a big difference to how we have done since we got promoted back
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 01:12:11 PM
What an absolutely superb signing this kid has been. Proper quality. Best player last week (wasn’t hard mind you), and again outstanding yesterday. Makes the game look very easy. We need to build around him and add real quality if we are to keep him long term.

https://twitter.com/football__tweet/status/1558746555372474369?s=21&t=42pCwptkPyL5AEulDctDLg
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 01:30:10 PM
Agree as if we don't steadfastly improve he'll be shipped for big money.
I mean I imagine that's half an idea unfortunately as he belongs back in the champions league and will be pushing to start for France men national team over next 18 months to 2 years.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 01:31:24 PM
What an absolutely superb signing this kid has been. Proper quality. Best player last week (wasn’t hard mind you), and again outstanding yesterday. Makes the game look very easy. We need to build around him and add real quality if we are to keep him long term.

https://twitter.com/football__tweet/status/1558746555372474369?s=21&t=42pCwptkPyL5AEulDctDLg

Some of his passes as well as composure show he's so much of a cultured player. Its  magnificent!
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Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
Nice to have a player come in and hit the ground running for a change.
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Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 01:45:28 PM
You can tell a quality player by the amount of time he has on the ball and the positions he takes up. Kamara was never rushed, was always in the right place and used the ball well. We have a superb player on our hands.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2022, 02:31:40 PM
Maybe I under estimate our appeal but I fear there will be a buy out clause in his contract.  The players hold the cards nowadays especially if they can run down their contracts when they’re in demand like kamara was.

Even if there is, we’ll still do well out if it.
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Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 04:29:40 PM
In order to keep players like this we’ll have to do better and play in Europe. In order to do that we’ll have to invest again before the window closes otherwise we will lose him soon enough. Players won’t hang about on a promise we are building something anymore. Ship a few out and bring in winners. I think Gerrard has identified this and I’d expect has told Purslow as much.
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Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Can we stop selling him please....Footy.
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Post by: Bad English on August 14, 2022, 07:34:11 PM
Nice to have a player come in and hit the ground running for a change.
And he's French too. Novelty!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2022, 08:43:36 PM
Nice to have a player come in and hit the ground running for a change.
And he's French too. Novelty!

And there was me beginning to think that all French players are crap.
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Post by: colin69 on August 14, 2022, 09:37:45 PM
I really like the look of this kid, didn’t we do well to sign him?
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2022, 10:01:13 PM
He is going to be a top player for us.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 15, 2022, 09:26:43 PM
BK can play centre half as well and started his career there
I could see him performing very well next to Mings.
Can step into Midfield and give Douglas Luiz the 6 role
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Post by: Steve67 on August 15, 2022, 09:30:12 PM
BK can play centre half as well and started his career there
I could see him performing very well next to Mings.
Can step into Midfield and give Douglas Luiz the 6 role


Fuck that. Terrible suggestion footy. Kamara wasted at centre back and Luiz, well, just a really poor holding midfielder.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 15, 2022, 09:45:44 PM
Its not ideal having Luiz there but BK is quality centre back wise as well as a defensive midfielder so surely SG would consider him there. No,?

Real shame we didn't get Kalvin Phillips as that would have been quite something having Kamara and Philips in midfield after our long search for the DM role.
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Post by: Risso on August 15, 2022, 10:06:25 PM
Its not ideal having Luiz there but BK is quality centre back wise as well as a defensive midfielder so surely SG would consider him there. No,?

Real shame we didn't get Kalvin Phillips as that would have been quite something having Kamara and Philips in midfield after our long search for the DM role.

It would, but we had no chance once Man City decided to continue stockpiling players so other teams can't have them.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Spend literally years yearning for a DM.

Finally get one, watch him look good for two matches, then use him as a CB.

No thanks.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 28, 2022, 09:03:05 PM
Appreciate he’s a DCM but he makes Ray Houghton look adventurous.
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Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 09:03:45 PM
Was he a yellow card waiting to happen again like at Bolton?
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 28, 2022, 09:06:05 PM
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2022, 09:07:45 PM
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.

Well, he did get booked.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2022, 09:07:49 PM
Shite again for me, Rice got a rocket at half time and ran all over him second half.
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 28, 2022, 09:11:24 PM
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.

Well, he did get booked.

It was a good foul to give away though, otherwise they were through.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2022, 09:12:14 PM
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.

Well, he did get booked.

It was a good foul to give away though, otherwise they were through.

Yeah, I'm not criticising him at all, I rate him.

Just pointing out that he did get booked.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 28, 2022, 09:14:09 PM
My bad, one too many Shipyards pre match which turned out to be a blessing in disguise !
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2022, 09:14:35 PM
The best Villa player today.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 09:21:19 PM
The best Villa player today.

Yes and shows our recruiting isn’t quite as bad as it’s suggested to be.
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Post by: gpbarr on August 28, 2022, 09:41:10 PM
He’s young, he’s played 4 PL games, he has zero support around him, and he’s found himself playing in a team cratering confidence.

I think he’ll be a great player once he’s given the coaching, support, and system to allow him to flourish.
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Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
Problem is some folk say the same about Ramsey and Luiz too. When are we we gonna get the seasoned but still good 6/7/8 that can walk into the team, grab it by the perpendiculars and hit the ground running?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 10:29:13 PM
To be honest he already looks very good in his role - he’ll get better, and be brilliant, but he’s already better than the level we’re hitting at the moment.
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Post by: rooboy316 on August 29, 2022, 04:24:35 AM
There's a touch of class about him. There's time yet to knock that out of him.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2022, 11:30:03 PM
Shite again for me

Bloody Hell.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 30, 2022, 01:33:49 AM
Shite again for me

Bloody Hell.

Incredible opinion.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2022, 01:59:36 AM
I thought he was fine yesterday.  Broke up play well and I can't recall him giving it away too often.  The system we play isn't going to help him too much when he is on the ball, as there aren't too many options in front of him.
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Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2022, 07:00:12 AM
Shite again for me

Bloody Hell.

Incredible opinion.

Mind you, this is the same chap who said we didn't play well when we put 7 past Liverpool.
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Post by: Vegas on August 30, 2022, 07:05:53 AM
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.

Which is incredible for a young player joining from the French league.

We got 99 problems but Kamara ain’t one.
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Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 09:20:55 AM
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.

Which is incredible for a young player joining from the French league.

We got 99 problems but Kamara ain’t one.


I agree, you can tell he's got class. It just makes it more remarkable that having solved what was supposed to be the key isse we now look worse as a team.
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Post by: David_Nab on August 30, 2022, 09:37:59 AM
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.

Which is incredible for a young player joining from the French league.

We got 99 problems but Kamara ain’t one.


I agree, you can tell he's got class. It just makes it more remarkable that having solved what was supposed to be the key isse we now look worse as a team.

Likely because SG thinks just slapping a DM in would fix everything ..the rest would work itself out.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2022, 09:54:47 AM
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2022, 10:00:07 AM
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.

At Palace? He was utterly anonymous. We didn't have any midfield in that game but he gave our CBs no protection at all, same v Bournemouth. At Bolton, he wasn't far off our worst player, getting caught wrong side of the ball constantly and fouling then repeatedly.

I thought he had a good first half v West Ham but in the context that they were barely attacking. When they started counter attacking in the second he was nowhere to be seen. The time McGinn lost the ball it was Cash and Digne who scrambled back to stop Bowen not Kamara.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2022, 10:10:26 AM
He's class. He's the last player I'd be rushing to moan about.
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Post by: Simon Page on August 30, 2022, 10:12:47 AM
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.

That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2022, 10:22:15 AM
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.

That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.

Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.

"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.
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Post by: Smithy on August 30, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor.  Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.

Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes".  Very comfortable at this level.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2022, 10:34:09 AM
The midfield looked relatively stable until he took Doug off.
His performances have been very good. He is still part of the solution.
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Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 10:34:32 AM
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor.  Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.

Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes".  Very comfortable at this level.

It's probably because when he looks up to pass, his two colleagues in midfield are behind him to the left and right filling in for Roberto Carlos and Cafu.
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Post by: Simon Page on August 30, 2022, 10:36:15 AM

Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.

"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.

What I'm saying is net spend isn't the measurement unless we're saying we can only buy our way better. We could get really good money offloading our "not good enough" midfielders, so it's not necessarily net spend we should be looking at. Obviously, if the board has restricted spending, Gerrard has more of a Parker-like excuse.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2022, 10:40:20 AM
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.

That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.

Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.

"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.

He made McGinn captain, to be fair seems to rate Ramsey highly and has also spoken very well of Luiz. So that's three 8s for want of a better term for two positions to partner Kamara in his preferred setup, if Sanson wasn't bombed out that would be 4. So if we get in another one, without Luiz and Sanson leaving, we are over stacked again.

That's the same problem throughout the squad Ings/Watkins, Buendia/Coutinho and even having Bailey when we don't play with wingers.
The squad is too big, likely part of the reason for disharmony in the dressing room, and we shouldn't be adding to it without significant departures. 
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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 10:49:19 AM
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.

That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.

Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.

"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.

He could have a new £25m winger as well but he decided to pull out of that deal, so right now we could easily be looking at an extra £60-70m in net spend, would it actually mean anything though, would Kamara be a better signing if we'[d paid £40m rather than nothing? Would Coutinho be in form if we'd spend £50m on him instead of ~£15m? Would spending another £25m on Sarr have fixed the fact that our midfield has been almost entirely vacant in our games this season because of the tactical decisions made by Gerrard?
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2022, 10:58:44 AM
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.
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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 11:10:47 AM
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.

but it isn't a good pointer and right now is incredibly misleading. In the last year and a bit we've made the best part of £150m from sales and yet only 1 player from that would come back in and improve our first 11, that makes our net spend a really poor indicator of the relative strength of our squad now compared to the end of the 20/21 season. In my opinion we're massively improved from then but poor tactics and poor man management mean that we're seeing the squad at it's worst not it's best right now.

I think you're overly harsh on our forwards, neither are top 4 standard but both are capable of 10-15 goals and that's enough to be far better than we are. I agree we could do with another midfielder but signing one is almost pointless if we're going to carry on conceding the midfield as we have so far this season, we're not being out battled in there, we're choosing to abandon it and play 2 wide midfielders and DM that's almost a 3rd centre back.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2022, 12:10:01 PM
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.

but it isn't a good pointer and right now is incredibly misleading. In the last year and a bit we've made the best part of £150m from sales and yet only 1 player from that would come back in and improve our first 11, that makes our net spend a really poor indicator of the relative strength of our squad now compared to the end of the 20/21 season. In my opinion we're massively improved from then but poor tactics and poor man management mean that we're seeing the squad at it's worst not it's best right now.

I think you're overly harsh on our forwards, neither are top 4 standard but both are capable of 10-15 goals and that's enough to be far better than we are. I agree we could do with another midfielder but signing one is almost pointless if we're going to carry on conceding the midfield as we have so far this season, we're not being out battled in there, we're choosing to abandon it and play 2 wide midfielders and DM that's almost a 3rd centre back.

The squad might be stronger, but these were the players who played the majority of the season in 20/21 (Number of games in brackets):

Martinez

Cash (28) Konsa (35) Mings (36) Targett (38)
Luiz (32) McGinn (37)
Traore (29)/El Ghazi (17) Barkley (18) Grealish (24)
Watkins (37)

So all we've really done in two years is swapped Targett for Digne, Traore/ElGhazi for Buendia/Bailey, and Grealish for Coutinho. The squad is stronger overall, as we're not having to use the likes of Trez from the bench, but the end result is we just haven't upgraded a first team that has finished 11th and 14th nearly enough. Compare the Arsenal team from then to now.
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Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2022, 12:15:48 PM
This was my post in the 'Off the Wall Season Prediction' thread.

Kamara will be like prime Kante for three games then Ashley Westwood after that.

He hasn't at all by the way, but if he does, then I called it  ;)

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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 12:49:21 PM
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.

but it isn't a good pointer and right now is incredibly misleading. In the last year and a bit we've made the best part of £150m from sales and yet only 1 player from that would come back in and improve our first 11, that makes our net spend a really poor indicator of the relative strength of our squad now compared to the end of the 20/21 season. In my opinion we're massively improved from then but poor tactics and poor man management mean that we're seeing the squad at it's worst not it's best right now.

I think you're overly harsh on our forwards, neither are top 4 standard but both are capable of 10-15 goals and that's enough to be far better than we are. I agree we could do with another midfielder but signing one is almost pointless if we're going to carry on conceding the midfield as we have so far this season, we're not being out battled in there, we're choosing to abandon it and play 2 wide midfielders and DM that's almost a 3rd centre back.

The squad might be stronger, but these were the players who played the majority of the season in 20/21 (Number of games in brackets):

Martinez

Cash (28) Konsa (35) Mings (36) Targett (38)
Luiz (32) McGinn (37)
Traore (29)/El Ghazi (17) Barkley (18) Grealish (24)
Watkins (37)

So all we've really done in two years is swapped Targett for Digne, Traore/ElGhazi for Buendia/Bailey, and Grealish for Coutinho. The squad is stronger overall, as we're not having to use the likes of Trez from the bench, but the end result is we just haven't upgraded a first team that has finished 11th and 14th nearly enough. Compare the Arsenal team from then to now.

If we picked our best XI now it'd be something like:

Martinez
Cash Carlos Mings Digne
Kamara Ramsey/Luiz
Bailey Buendia Coutinho
Watkins

Coutinho for Grealish is maybe a drop (but not massively if we can use him properly) but otherwise we've kept the players who came out of that season good and upgraded 5 more, on top of that the squad behind it is much better, all for a net spend of very little across 3 windows. I don't disagree that there are still a couple more improvements to be made but I firmly believe this squad with no changes is a top half one, a clear upgrade in midfield and an alternative up front would have us well capable of challenging for Europe.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 30, 2022, 01:12:03 PM
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor.  Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.

Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes".  Very comfortable at this level.

It's probably because when he looks up to pass, his two colleagues in midfield are behind him to the left and right filling in for Roberto Carlos and Cafu.

This. It is frustrating beyond belief the number of times our midfield players drop into the space between Kamara (or the centre-halves) and the fullbacks, achieving nothing other than slowing our progress because the ball can comforably be passed directly to the fullback that is higher and wider.

Closing a clear passing channel like this would be spotted and corrected by most parks teams, yet it happens with such frequency it is clear (to me) it is coached and part of Gerrard's pattern of play  >:(

Kamara has been one of few positives so far this season and looks real quality. UTV
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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor.  Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.

Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes".  Very comfortable at this level.

It's probably because when he looks up to pass, his two colleagues in midfield are behind him to the left and right filling in for Roberto Carlos and Cafu.

This. It is frustrating beyond belief the number of times our midfield players drop into the space between Kamara (or the centre-halves) and the fullbacks, achieving nothing other than slowing our progress because the ball can comforably be passed directly to the fullback that is higher and wider.

Closing a clear passing channel like this would be spotted and corrected by most parks teams, yet it happens with such frequency it is clear (to me) it is coached and part of Gerrard's pattern of play  >:(

Kamara has been one of few positives so far this season and looks real quality. UTV

Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
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Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor.  Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.

Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes".  Very comfortable at this level.

You're easily impressed! He clearly has a classy way about him and his technique looks good but he's also not seemed to be on the same wavelength as the rest of midfield and embarrassingly kept hacking down Bolton players last week as he kept getting caught on the wrong side.

Early days but he has yet to prove his off the ball skills and tactical brain is good enough for a progressive PL team.
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Post by: rooboy316 on August 30, 2022, 01:49:43 PM

Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 30, 2022, 02:16:48 PM

Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
You know it might just work  ;)
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2022, 07:04:35 PM

Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
You know it might just work  ;)

I swear, that endless short passes around the back four, sometimes involving the midfielders, which is basically Man City style 'give it back' build up is genuinely the only single thing I see us do which makes me believe we must do some training.

Of course, Man City do it whilst looking for the ball to someone like KDB to then make something happen. We do it just to lose possession or hoof it up pitch, usually into touch.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 30, 2022, 07:32:27 PM

Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
You know it might just work  ;)

I swear, that endless short passes around the back four, sometimes involving the midfielders, which is basically Man City style 'give it back' build up is genuinely the only single thing I see us do which makes me believe we must do some training.

Of course, Man City do it whilst looking for the ball to someone like KDB to then make something happen. We do it just to lose possession or hoof it up pitch, usually into touch.
Agreed, though when Man City do it they do it quicker, include passes further forward so they can isolate fullbacks 1v1 or they just keep patienty recycling the ball until an opponent is slow to move leaving a gap they can exploit with pace and/or precise passing.

As Neil Taylor said the other day - you work out what your preference is, work out how the opposition set up and go from there recognising there are (broadly) three option - play through them, play round them with width, or go over them (having drawn them out).

With the diamond in midfield and two strikers, it seems most likely we are set up to play through teams, but pace and precise passing is absent, and it is clear that they are not being coached to make intelligent runs to find space or pull defenders out of position for others.

Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.

If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.

Very telling to me that Gerrard said after West Ham "we needed that bit of quality" aka 'Bruceball'.

I'm all for players being given licence but first coach them to create those opportunities and as a bonus you will find that the rest of the team will have a clue about what they should do!

UTV
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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 07:56:02 PM
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.

Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 08:11:49 PM

Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
You know it might just work  ;)

I swear, that endless short passes around the back four, sometimes involving the midfielders, which is basically Man City style 'give it back' build up is genuinely the only single thing I see us do which makes me believe we must do some training.

Of course, Man City do it whilst looking for the ball to someone like KDB to then make something happen. We do it just to lose possession or hoof it up pitch, usually into touch.

Man City are waiting for you to step out of midfield in a disjointed manner so they can press the space. It was infuriating when in the first half against West Ham watch us move it about, create 30 yards of space behind the West Ham midfield before you hit their back 3 and...just not exploit it. Not once, with a single run. We have Coutinho and Buendia in this squad and we're incapable of finding that space which we create? Rubbish. There's a bag of quality here, we should be doing better.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 30, 2022, 08:17:41 PM
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.

Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
This.
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Post by: rooboy316 on August 31, 2022, 12:03:30 PM


Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.

If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.

Exactly this. Any sniff of momentum going forward, that happens, we get closed down and the ball goes back to the CBs to tap around again. A couple of times against westham, we got it to Coutinho in space. He looked up, tried to be busy, saw nothing and passed sideways/backwards, and eventually it was back with Konsa/Chambers.
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Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.

Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
This.

You're both spot on with your observations, and the longer it goes on the further away we seem to get from achieving what we set out to do.
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Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2022, 01:25:56 PM
This ...
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.
Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.

... and ...


Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.
If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.
Exactly this. Any sniff of momentum going forward, that happens, we get closed down and the ball goes back to the CBs to tap around again. A couple of times against westham, we got it to Coutinho in space. He looked up, tried to be busy, saw nothing and passed sideways/backwards, and eventually it was back with Konsa/Chambers.
Illustrates how plain it is for all to see, even Micah Haha. The fact that SG chooses not to see it really points to his stubbornness, and he'll end up moving the deckchairs round the deck while the boat sinks.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 31, 2022, 01:32:30 PM
If the coaching team are not coaching patterns of play (our approach), I genuinely don't know how they fill their time :o

There are S&C people to cover the gym work, physios to manage recovery, and analysts providing individual feedback on performance.

Sometimes, Gerrard and his current set-up might be a case in point, the exponential growth in data, the emergence of new formations, complex new practices, etc. can prompt confusion rather than bring clarity.

For me, clarity comes from being consistent about the information given, communicating in ways that are precise and easily understood, and repetition so that players can see and experience what is expected of them in different situations, i.e. they are not 'running plays' like in the NFL, but faced with any situation they have a 'picture' of what they want to do - and critically - so does the teammates they are likely to combine with.

As posted earlier there are three approaches to consider in order to break teams down/create chances recognising that they will respond in different ways and they might (!) change their approach during a game. It really is not rocket science.

What is most frustrating at the moment is not only that we do not have a defined approach, it is that this group does not look like a team - in terms of performance or demeanour. Very different to when we have made progress in recent years.

If you address having a defined approach, you also improve cohesion, enjoyment, and a willingness to take risks because improving decision-making is the primary objective of the input from the coaching staff.

Ultimately it means you build resilience so that the team can cope better with injuries and/or the loss of form for one or two players.
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Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2022, 02:47:17 PM
This ...
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.
Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.

... and ...


Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.
If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.
Exactly this. Any sniff of momentum going forward, that happens, we get closed down and the ball goes back to the CBs to tap around again. A couple of times against westham, we got it to Coutinho in space. He looked up, tried to be busy, saw nothing and passed sideways/backwards, and eventually it was back with Konsa/Chambers.
Illustrates how plain it is for all to see, even Micah Haha. The fact that SG chooses not to see it really points to his stubbornness, and he'll end up moving the deckchairs round the deck while the boat sinks.

Whilst the opposition play musical chairs with us, removing options one by one...
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:21:47 PM
At Arsenal did anyone else notice how upset he was when he was subbed?
He appeared irritated. No outburst, but irritated.
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Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 02:36:05 PM
At Arsenal did anyone else notice how upset he was when he was subbed?
He appeared irritated. No outburst, but irritated.

Put this sort of thing on the post-match thread.
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Post by: dicedlam on September 01, 2022, 02:40:04 PM
Poor fucker. He must surely regret signing for this excuse for a team. He must be pissed at Gerrard right now for convincing him to come here, and rightly so.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:42:20 PM
At Arsenal did anyone else notice how upset he was when he was subbed?
He appeared irritated. No outburst, but irritated.

Put this sort of thing on the post-match thread.
Must I ?
I find it can get lost and I can't see the debate and discussion
I would find it incredibly frustrating and tricky so I posted it here.
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Post by: Bad English on September 01, 2022, 04:29:57 PM
You are regularly playing at 'snooker the threads' footy. It is not appreciated by many posters so you should stop doing it
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Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2022, 04:50:38 PM
Yeah, it pisses me off
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Post by: supertom on September 01, 2022, 05:56:33 PM
I've liked him so far but I think we need a two anchor system rather than one. He's too lightweight on his own. I know we're getting into Doug territory again, but he might also do well as an 8 (he said running for cover).

Him and Donaldducker sitting would work. Dendoncker is a big unit, does the ugly stuff. He gives it to Kamara who can then get the ball forward better.

What I don't want is us never using him properly, or suffering due to inept management and gameplan and he fucks off to pull a Gueye or Vertout on us again. We've a nasty habit of making good midfielders look shite.
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Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 05:57:35 PM
Harsh, he's specifically talking about Bouba, and this is a thread about said player.

There's Flintstones and RichieHoltes pissing-off a lot more people with their negative drum-banging than Footy making a new point.
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Post by: Bad English on September 01, 2022, 06:35:30 PM
No, he regularly logs in and posts generic guff on all the threads in the hope of 'snookering' them.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 07:47:30 PM
Harsh, he's specifically talking about Bouba, and this is a thread about said player.

There's Flintstones and RichieHoltes pissing-off a lot more people with their negative drum-banging than Footy making a new point.




Only a couple in my case and seems as I had a "you get used to him" about one and a few private messages about the other a good while ago saying not to worry it's well know, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 07:50:25 PM
I'd also like to point out that I'm not some new poster, I've been a member for a good number years, never had any issues.


I don't know why my dislike for the owners lying has causes such drama leading to me being targeted
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Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 07:56:27 PM
I'd also like to point out that I'm not some new poster, I've been a member for a good number years, never had any issues.


I don't know why my dislike for the owners lying has causes such drama leading to me being targeted

Because:

1. you throw it out on every other thread regardless of what the discussion is.
2. you refuse to accept that they've spent a fortune already and have plans to spend pelnty more on the stadium redevelopment.
3. you've likened them to the trotters and accused them of lying about or ambitions with very little to back up your claims other than 'net spend'.

We get that you feel left down by the owners but you're a stuck record, you even said you were going to stop, before going into overdrive and posting it far more than before.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 08:29:13 PM
I'd also like to point out that I'm not some new poster, I've been a member for a good number years, never had any issues.


I don't know why my dislike for the owners lying has causes such drama leading to me being targeted

Because:

1. you throw it out on every other thread regardless of what the discussion is.
2. you refuse to accept that they've spent a fortune already and have plans to spend pelnty more on the stadium redevelopment.
3. you've likened them to the trotters and accused them of lying about or ambitions with very little to back up your claims other than 'net spend'.

We get that you feel left down by the owners but you're a stuck record, you even said you were going to stop, before going into overdrive and posting it far more than before.


That's fair enough
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Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2022, 08:32:16 PM
The owners saved us in 2018 from a fate that doesn't bear thinking about.

Even if they go a bit Lerner on us for a few years they rescued us when we were a second tier club that couldn't pay its taxes and could have lost a future £100m for a pittance.

Some very short memories here. Back in the summer of 2018 I would have snapped your hand off if you told me we'd be here on transfer deadline day pissed off that we had just bought a £13m established premier league midfielder!
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Post by: astonvilla82 on September 01, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
The owners saved us in 2018 from a fate that doesn't bear thinking about.

Even if they go a bit Lerner on us for a few years they rescued us when we were a second tier club that couldn't pay its taxes and could have lost a future £100m for a pittance.

Some very short memories here. Back in the summer of 2018 I would have snapped your hand off if you told me we'd be here on transfer deadline day pissed off that we had just bought a £13m established premier league midfielder!
Blaming the owners is way down the road as far as I am concerned
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Post by: frank black on September 16, 2022, 10:26:06 PM
Gerrard has said he’s concerned….here we go again. FFS
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Post by: curiousorange on September 16, 2022, 10:29:47 PM
The transfer window that keeps on giving.
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Post by: nigel on September 16, 2022, 11:26:07 PM
Out for the season

Edit - please ignore.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 16, 2022, 11:27:52 PM
Sad if this is serious like Carlos, we simply can't get anywhere with the signings we make constantly getting long term injuries.

Think he's been nice and tidy in the games he's played and won the ball back with minimum of fuss so plenty to build on.

Seems he tried to play on with whatever he picked up but couldn't continue and that's always a worry.

Will we go back to Doug as 6 or just play Dendoncker there?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 16, 2022, 11:30:56 PM
Out for the season

Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.
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Post by: nigel on September 16, 2022, 11:41:19 PM
Out for the season

Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.

Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
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Post by: Yeltzer on September 17, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
Official Twitter saying “speedy recovery” to him. Sounds like a season ender
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 17, 2022, 07:56:45 PM
For fucks sake.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 17, 2022, 07:59:38 PM
Out for the season

Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.

Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.
Unless you have some information to back this up.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on September 17, 2022, 08:12:26 PM
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
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Post by: Shrek on September 17, 2022, 08:12:44 PM
It sounds like it’s a big injury from the mood on twitter, ffs man
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 17, 2022, 08:13:17 PM
I've got a bad feeling about this.
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Post by: eamonn on September 17, 2022, 08:24:50 PM
Marv and Morgan to the rescue!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 17, 2022, 08:32:28 PM
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
bah humbug :D
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Post by: Jon Crofts on September 17, 2022, 08:42:53 PM
Captain Sensible me.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 17, 2022, 09:35:22 PM
The official villa twitter wishing him a speedy recovery is really bad news I fear. Villa are cursed.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 17, 2022, 09:46:54 PM
Doesn't sound good. :(

Whatever your thoughts on Gerrard as a manager you have to admit he's not having much luck on the injury front.
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Post by: Legion on September 17, 2022, 10:02:24 PM
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.

It is being re-quoted elsewhere on various social media platforms.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 17, 2022, 10:28:21 PM
When the club wishes you speedy recovery it’s only ever bad news.
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Post by: Astnor on September 17, 2022, 10:47:59 PM
If the injury is that bad our fysios/ medics that was on the pitch to evaluate should have taken him off at once. He did play on for quite a while after he got the injury.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 17, 2022, 10:57:27 PM
If the injury is that bad our fysios/ medics that was on the pitch to evaluate should have taken him off at once. He did play on for quite a while after he got the injury.

Don’t know about that. There are some bad injuries that are essentially as bad as they are going to get as soon as they happen.
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Post by: eamonn on September 17, 2022, 11:40:40 PM
£150k a week for a non-contributing player for the next few months? Yikes.
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Post by: olaftab on September 18, 2022, 01:02:40 AM
Doesn't sound good. :(

Whatever your thoughts on Gerrard as a manager you have to admit he's not having much luck on the injury front.
On top of everything else what we don’t need is an unlucky manager😉
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Post by: TheMalandro on September 18, 2022, 07:58:18 AM
Fabulous. Sixty million pounds of new players injured in the first couple of months.
That is bloody bad luck.
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Post by: frank black on September 18, 2022, 08:27:45 AM
With the injuries and horrific football, it really feels like this will be a season to forget (again)
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Post by: dorsetvillian on September 18, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
Yes another season of standing still at best. Kamara had been quality, despite Gerrard's crap system and tactics.
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Post by: Ian. on September 18, 2022, 09:15:46 AM
Do we actually know he’s our for a lengthy spell or are we just fearing the worse case scenario?
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Post by: nigel on September 18, 2022, 09:46:05 AM
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
Out for the season

Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.

Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.
Unless you have some information to back this up.

Yet whenever a ‘big poster’ makes a tongue-in-cheek remark, regarding our luck with injuries, it’s greeted with the humour in which it was tended 🤷‍♂️
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Post by: Risso on September 18, 2022, 09:47:10 AM
Do we actually know he’s our for a lengthy spell or are we just fearing the worse case scenario?

It's Villa. Good rumours - never true, bad rumours - even worse then expected. The official twitter site only ever wishes somebody a speedy recovery when it's a bad one rather than just a tweak.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 18, 2022, 10:12:48 AM
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
Out for the season

Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.

Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.
Unless you have some information to back this up.

Yet whenever a ‘big poster’ makes a tongue-in-cheek remark, regarding our luck with injuries, it’s greeted with the humour in which it was tended 🤷‍♂️
still not funny.
You posted. Out for the season, no context , not knowing our luck, no emoji’s just a straight Out for the season.
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Post by: UK Redsox on September 18, 2022, 10:16:24 AM
Do we actually know he’s our for a lengthy spell or are we just fearing the worse case scenario?

It’s Villa’s own fault for a vague Tweet, that certainly could be read as suggesting a long term injury.

However, it was pointed out that they posted something similar re Luca, and he was back quite soon.

In summary,……. Haven’t got a clue
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Post by: Bad English on September 18, 2022, 10:16:45 AM
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!

I think everyone had had ale last night.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 18, 2022, 10:19:45 AM
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!

I think everyone had had ale last night.
Did she? bloody hell.
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Post by: Holte Antipode on September 18, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!

I think everyone had had ale last night.
Did she? bloody hell.
Andrew?
Back on topic, if Bouba is out, short or long time whatever it may be, and all the promising kids loaned out, does that mean our First XI is exactly the same as last year? Grim sort of way of showing ambition.
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Post by: Villan82 on September 18, 2022, 11:05:49 AM
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!

I think everyone had had ale last night.
Did she? bloody hell.
Andrew?
Back on topic, if Bouba is out, short or long time whatever it may be, and all the promising kids loaned out, does that mean our First XI is exactly the same as last year? Grim sort of way of showing ambition.

I thought I was miserbale.

But this is ridiculous. It is rotten luck that your big first team signings both get injured.
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Post by: Rigadon on September 18, 2022, 11:11:58 AM
Does anybody know what the injury is or how bad it actually is? Weird that the club is wishing him a speedy recovery on social media without confirming what is actually wrong with the lad!?
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Post by: frank black on September 18, 2022, 11:19:11 AM
Perhaps they are awaiting some additional medical info before confirming what it is or timescales. It’ll be a knee injury of some type as this is what he twisted.

Hopefully we’ve moved on from the mystery Grealish , will he won’t be rubbish
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 18, 2022, 11:32:46 AM
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.
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Post by: Rigadon on September 18, 2022, 11:41:10 AM
Perhaps they are awaiting some additional medical info before confirming what it is or timescales. It’ll be a knee injury of some type as this is what he twisted.

I'd imagine so, but why put anything on the internet in the first place.
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Post by: Rigadon on September 18, 2022, 11:42:11 AM
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.

If there were such a thing as luck, ours would be shit.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2022, 11:46:37 AM
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
Out for the season

Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.

Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.
Unless you have some information to back this up.

Yet whenever a ‘big poster’ makes a tongue-in-cheek remark, regarding our luck with injuries, it’s greeted with the humour in which it was tended 🤷‍♂️
still not funny.
You posted. Out for the season, no context , not knowing our luck, no emoji’s just a straight Out for the season.


I thought it was funny :)
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!

I think everyone had had ale last night.


Agreed :)
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Post by: frank black on September 18, 2022, 11:52:17 AM
Welcome back Marvelous! ?
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Post by: Clampy on September 18, 2022, 12:23:07 PM
We just need that Richieholtender to come back and tell us we didnt sign Kamara.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 18, 2022, 12:27:18 PM
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.

Dendoncker will start at Leeds.
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Post by: Risso on September 18, 2022, 12:42:03 PM
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.

Dendoncker will start at Leeds.

He'll need to look a bit sharper than he did against Southampton. For a defensive midfielder to play nearly 30 mins when we're defending a 1-0 lead and touch the ball 4 times, it's a bit odd.
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Post by: London Villan on September 18, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
More odd formation set ups. Dendoncker should have been the holding player with doug pushed up.
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Post by: Villafirst on September 18, 2022, 02:00:28 PM
Rumours of an MCL injury. If that's the case, depending on the severity, an average of 6-8 weeks out. I think Nakamba suffered a similar injury last December at Anfield. If surgery is required, then recovery is 12 to 16 weeks.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on September 18, 2022, 02:30:15 PM
When do we ever get a break with injuries? Fully expect to see this guy back some time in 2023.
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Post by: Risso on September 18, 2022, 02:53:14 PM
At least with the World Cup there's an extra month for recovery.
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Post by: Ian. on September 18, 2022, 03:05:30 PM
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.

Dendoncker will start at Leeds.

He'll need to look a bit sharper than he did against Southampton. For a defensive midfielder to play nearly 30 mins when we're defending a 1-0 lead and touch the ball 4 times, it's a bit odd.

I don’t understand why he isn’t already sharp. Wasn’t he playing for Wolves in and out of their first team?
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Post by: SamTheMouse on September 18, 2022, 04:05:56 PM
I'm starting to think this injury shite isn't just bad luck. Nobody can be this unlucky, FFS.
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Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2022, 04:12:53 PM
Does anybody know what the injury is or how bad it actually is? Weird that the club is wishing him a speedy recovery on social media without confirming what is actually wrong with the lad!?

No, probably including the club.

Perhaps they are awaiting some additional medical info before confirming what it is or timescales. It’ll be a knee injury of some type as this is what he twisted.

Hopefully we’ve moved on from the mystery Grealish , will he won’t be rubbish

Exactly, it's very rare that you get the confirmation on ligament/musckle injuries until a few days afterwards. That's why the official twitter comment doesn't really mean much yet.
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Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
I'm starting to think this injury shite isn't just bad luck. Nobody can be this unlucky, FFS.

Didn't Barry Fry piss on our corner-flags in 1993 while cackling manically?

*Micah Richards may as well have done the same between 2015-2018
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 18, 2022, 05:30:06 PM
He’s been brilliant, exactly what we needed. A real shame if he’s out as he won’t be here long when he fit again
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Post by: Richard E on September 18, 2022, 05:37:03 PM
Until there’s a photo of him on Twitter stoically doing a thumbs up with his leg in some sort of cast or strapping there’s still hope.
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Post by: aj2k77 on September 18, 2022, 05:39:52 PM
Let's be realistic, it's us and a new signing. Therefor it will be a medium to long term injury and he'll come back a different player.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 18, 2022, 05:42:44 PM
If he's available for the Liverpool game on Boxing Day, I'll be surprised. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he isn't in the squad for the final game of the season against Brighton.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2022, 06:10:56 PM
that'll be his world cup over if it's a bad one
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 18, 2022, 06:38:33 PM
that'll be his world cup over if it's a bad one

Signing for the Villa pretty much did that. Right now we'll be lucky to see two Villa players there; Emi and Cash. Bouba and Digne were dropped from the French squad, Mings and Watkins forgotten by England, same with Coutinho and Dougie for Brazil.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 18, 2022, 06:40:55 PM
Dendonker and Bednarek have a chance.
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Post by: Ger Regan on September 18, 2022, 07:42:31 PM
Is this another case of a clearly injured player being allowed to continue and likely doing more damage? What the hell are our physios up to?
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Post by: Risso on September 18, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
Is this another case of a clearly injured player being allowed to continue and likely doing more damage? What the hell are our physios up to?

It's not unusual for a player to try to run off a knock though. Unless it's clear early on that a player can't go on the medical staff will usually be guided by the how the player feels.
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Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2022, 08:14:21 PM
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.
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Post by: Risso on September 18, 2022, 08:18:12 PM
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.

There was the Spurs player (Doherty?) who Cash tackled/brutally attempted murder on. He played on for about 15 minutes.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2022, 08:21:33 PM
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.

Yeah, it's not particularly helpful till we know what the injury is. Doesn't stop people guessing even if they're just plain wrong.
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Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2022, 08:24:11 PM
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.

There was the Spurs player (Doherty?) who Cash tackled/brutally attempted murder on. He played on for about 15 minutes.

Yep, was out for the rest of the season afterwards as well, That's the worry with this one but we're a long way from knowing if it's anything like that.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 18, 2022, 08:37:44 PM
IIRC Okore came back on for a few mins when he did his ACL.
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Post by: OCD on September 18, 2022, 08:58:47 PM
Nakamba jogged off the pitch, looked like it wasn't anything too bad then was out for months.

Edit - Kieron Dyer played for 18 minutes and scored with a broken leg. Source - https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/5533061.soccer-dyer-consequences-for-ipswich-despite-win/
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 18, 2022, 09:34:23 PM
IIRC Okore came back on for a few mins when he did his ACL.
Correct.
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Post by: brontebilly on September 18, 2022, 09:35:30 PM
Didn't Roy Keane play on with an ACL that time v Leeds as Fergie had already made the 3 subs? Could have finished his career.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 18, 2022, 09:36:29 PM
ACL doesn’t force you off the pitch straight away - bloody horrible injury to recover from.
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Post by: darren woolley on September 18, 2022, 10:35:53 PM
Let's hope it's not a serious injury.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 18, 2022, 10:51:46 PM
Didn't Roy Keane play on with an ACL that time v Leeds as Fergie had already made the 3 subs? Could have finished his career.

Keane would have tried to 'run off' a broken leg.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 18, 2022, 11:02:40 PM
Let's hope it's not a serious injury.

Indeed, sadly I fear it is.
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Post by: villadelph on September 19, 2022, 05:57:31 PM
nothing's come out yet..?
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Post by: Ads on September 19, 2022, 05:59:44 PM
nothing's come out yet..?


Think it was a knee injury rather than constipation.
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Post by: malckennedy on September 19, 2022, 05:59:51 PM
nothing's come out yet..?


Maybe his scan was cancelled out of respect for………blah, blah, blah.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 19, 2022, 07:06:57 PM
They won't be Tweeting anything today I'd imagine, even if there is news.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 21, 2022, 08:28:10 PM
Turning out to be a long diagnosis. Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2022, 08:40:07 PM
Turning out to be a long diagnosis. Fingers crossed.

They're trying to limit the injury announcements to 1 per day.
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Post by: mrfuse on September 22, 2022, 03:09:52 PM
Out for 2 months.
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Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2022, 03:10:43 PM
We'll next see him the day after Christmas then.
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Post by: Bad English on September 22, 2022, 03:13:03 PM
The French press are reporting out for two months with a knee injury, and in Dubai for treatment. No Qatar for him.
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Post by: Villan82 on September 22, 2022, 03:28:29 PM
Had braced myself for worse...so he should get second half of the season?
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Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 03:32:36 PM
That's about what I expected (and I posted as much on the injury thread) so should be back after the world cup.
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Post by: villadelph on September 22, 2022, 03:32:44 PM
There's the summer transfer window down the drain.

I'll be interested to hear the extent of the injury. He'll be lucky if it was an MCL sprain or the like.. hoping for no tears or ruptures.

I feel bad for BK, get well soon.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 22, 2022, 03:49:40 PM
Will be a loss to the team!
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 03:52:08 PM
2 months is a long time to lose your best player.  Better than I expected though.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on September 22, 2022, 03:59:08 PM
If he is back after the World Cup he will miss 8 league games.
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Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2022, 04:03:34 PM
2 months is a long time to lose your best player.  Better than I expected though.

I don't think we have a best player. They're all infected.
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Post by: rooboy316 on September 22, 2022, 04:30:14 PM
Yep, two months. So we won’t see him till next season, and he’ll turn to shite when he does come back. Playing in the Turkish league, on loan in 2024.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on September 22, 2022, 04:45:29 PM
Well, I was fully expecting them to announce he'd have to have his leg amputated, so I suppose 2 months has to go in the 'win' column.
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Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2022, 04:54:01 PM
Well, I was fully expecting them to announce he'd have to have his leg amputated, so I suppose 2 months has to go in the 'win' column.

No doubt there will be complications and we'll be 'hopeful' he'll be fit for the start of next season.
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Post by: Villa Lew on September 22, 2022, 05:26:01 PM
Was expected worse, but still a big blow.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 22, 2022, 06:28:34 PM
Shame for him he will miss the world cup
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 22, 2022, 06:54:16 PM
There's the summer transfer window down the drain.

I'll be interested to hear the extent of the injury. He'll be lucky if it was an MCL sprain or the like.. hoping for no tears or ruptures.

I feel bad for BK, get well soon.

Yep.  Beginning to feel we are cursed!
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Post by: darren woolley on September 23, 2022, 11:18:58 AM
It's terrible news he will be missed.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 23, 2022, 11:54:38 AM
I think it's about time we modified our posts with the news of a new player who has great promise.  So,"Please don't be shit" replaced by, "Please don't get a serious injury keeping you out for months"
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 23, 2022, 11:58:46 AM
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now
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Post by: Hookeysmith on September 23, 2022, 12:05:26 PM
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now

You're a barrel of laughs !

With him and Carlos scuppered i think it buys Gerrard a little more time if i am honest
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Post by: sid1964 on September 23, 2022, 12:17:20 PM
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January

cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!
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Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2022, 12:20:15 PM
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January

cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!

So over 3 months then..?
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 23, 2022, 12:21:01 PM
What are the odds on Gerrard being gone in 2 months?  Evens possibly?  It's a fair prediction I think.
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Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
From the OS.

Aston Villa can confirm Boubacar Kamara suffered a knee ligament injury during last Friday’s victory over Southampton.

The midfielder sustained the damage during the first half of our encounter with Saints and was replaced by Douglas Luiz shortly before half-time.

As a result of the injury, Kamara was forced to withdraw from the French national squad for this round of UEFA Nations League fixtures and has begun a rehabilitation programme.
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Post by: villadelph on September 23, 2022, 01:40:35 PM
From the OS.

Aston Villa can confirm Boubacar Kamara suffered a knee ligament injury during last Friday’s victory over Southampton.

The midfielder sustained the damage during the first half of our encounter with Saints and was replaced by Douglas Luiz shortly before half-time.

As a result of the injury, Kamara was forced to withdraw from the French national squad for this round of UEFA Nations League fixtures and has begun a rehabilitation programme.

I wish they would be more transparent than that.. what ligament and to what extent?
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Post by: paul_e on September 23, 2022, 01:49:03 PM
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now

You're a barrel of laughs !

With him and Carlos scuppered i think it buys Gerrard a little more time if i am honest

I think it's a fair bet and I don't think it buys him any extra time because he didn't give himself a buffer of points whilst he had Kamara available. I'm absolutely certain that the world cup will be the trigger point for lots of clubs to decide whether to stick or twist and, as things stand, I think we'll twist. If results improve between now and then and we push into the top half he might save himself and if we have a bad run they might jump early but much more likely is we muddle along to the 'break' with 15-20 points and firmly entrenched in the bottom half.
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Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:52:51 PM
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January

cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!

So over 3 months then..?

There's the World Cup break as well  which is maybe what Sid meant as we are not playing anyway.

It's typical of our luck. Hopefully Clive and Marvelous can step in. I think he'll put Luiz back in there though, especially now we have his corners as an added threat. Not letting him go looks like a good move.
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Post by: jwarry on September 23, 2022, 03:23:21 PM
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January

cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!

So over 3 months then..?

There's the World Cup break as well  which is maybe what Sid meant as we are not playing anyway.

It's typical of our luck. Hopefully Clive and Marvelous can step in. I think he'll put Luiz back in there though, especially now we have his corners as an added threat. Not letting him go looks like a good move.

The irony of all of this is that Chuck would have got the game time he so desperately wanted
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Post by: SaddVillan on September 23, 2022, 03:25:15 PM
We just can't get a break can we?

Cash
Digne
Carlos
Kamara

4 of our starting XI out for some time.

You can't account for a glut of injuries on this scale.

Having said that, signing Dendoncker could be  seen as a genius move if he comes in and does a good job covering for Kamara. Ditto with Ludwig Augustinnson and Digne.

Oftimes it's the "squad" players that prove how good your transfer programme has been. It's relatively easy to pick out big name players who've got a proven record (Kamara and Carlos were known quantities who we knew would improve our starting XI).

Sniffing out potential "performers" who fly under the radar is much more difficult. Have you signed an average/below average journeyman, or have you picked out an uncut gem from the pile of players on the market?

Chambers has been excellent when called on.

Let's hope Dendoncker and Ludwig are too.
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Post by: frank black on September 23, 2022, 03:34:02 PM
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January

cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!

So over 3 months then..?

There's the World Cup break as well  which is maybe what Sid meant as we are not playing anyway.

It's typical of our luck. Hopefully Clive and Marvelous can step in. I think he'll put Luiz back in there though, especially now we have his corners as an added threat. Not letting him go looks like a good move.

The irony of all of this is that Chuck would have got the game time he so desperately wanted

Not sure it was game time he wanted, evidently
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Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 03:51:29 PM
I think it may have been Tim who might have possibly  featured a bit more rather than Chuck.
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Post by: villa for life on September 23, 2022, 10:47:11 PM
We just can't get a break can we?

Cash
Digne
Carlos
Kamara

4 of our starting XI out for some time.

You can't account for a glut of injuries ..


Not worried in the slightest. We’ve been rubbish with them playing so maybe it’s a blessing in disguise..
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Post by: Risso on September 24, 2022, 09:13:34 AM
I think it may have been Tim who might have possibly  featured a bit more rather than Chuck.

Yes, same here. Chukwuemeka would still have been fighting for places with Buendia, Ramsey and Coutinho etc. Iroegbunam would have been the natural successor to Kamara. Maybe the thing to take from this situation is to keep the kids around until January. Tim and KKH would probably be in the squad if not the first team now.
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Post by: JD on September 24, 2022, 09:33:04 AM
Can we not recall Tim from QPR?
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Post by: Risso on September 24, 2022, 11:32:13 AM
I don’t think you can if it’s a season long loan?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 24, 2022, 11:35:12 AM
I've a feeling the only time you can recall a player is if they're a goalkeeper and you're down to the barest of bones.
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Post by: JD on September 24, 2022, 11:46:10 AM
Bugger. Shame he went then.
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Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 12:14:21 PM
Good job we hung onto Luiz. Need to properly reintegrate Sanson and Nakamba too. Kamara is clearly a tidy player on the ball but thought he was struggling a bit anyway without the ball.

With his injury I think it's less likely Gerrard will switch to 2 in midfield so it's three from Luiz, Dendoncker, McGinn and Ramsey.
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Post by: olaftab on September 24, 2022, 10:26:19 PM
I feel for him. He’s going to miss the World Cup. Get well soon Boubacar.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 25, 2022, 07:56:40 PM
L’Equipe reporting that he's back in training at Villa. Saying that he’s running and doing individual work with the ball already.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Boubacar-kamara-a-repris-avec-aston-villa-et-peut-encore-pretendre-a-la-coupe-du-monde/1361216

Probably still won't be back pre World Cup but looks like there's been no setbacks so far.
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Post by: Risso on October 25, 2022, 08:13:07 PM
L’Equipe reporting that he's back in training at Villa. Saying that he’s running and doing individual work with the ball already.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Boubacar-kamara-a-repris-avec-aston-villa-et-peut-encore-pretendre-a-la-coupe-du-monde/1361216

Probably still won't be back pre World Cup but looks like there's been no setbacks so far.

It says in there he's been using the hyperbaric chamber and could start training with the first team next Monday, and could be back for the Man U game.
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Post by: Scovilla on October 25, 2022, 08:14:15 PM
L’Equipe reporting that he's back in training at Villa. Saying that he’s running and doing individual work with the ball already.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Boubacar-kamara-a-repris-avec-aston-villa-et-peut-encore-pretendre-a-la-coupe-du-monde/1361216

Probably still won't be back pre World Cup but looks like there's been no setbacks so far.
The article stipulates that he could be back for the world cup and could even play as early as November 6th for The Villa which as you said sounds pretty optimistic.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on October 25, 2022, 08:28:55 PM
Was on the pitch after game Sunday having a kick about with his gorgeous little daughter.

I'm sure Emery will know exactly how and where to play this fella
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Post by: Dave P on October 25, 2022, 08:32:30 PM
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now

Good work
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 25, 2022, 08:43:21 PM
It says in there he's been using the hyperbaric chamber and could start training with the first team next Monday, and could be back for the Man U game.

Yeah, got the gist of it but didn't want to tempt fate knowing our luck. TBH would prefer not to rush him back for the sake of a game or two.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on October 25, 2022, 09:00:55 PM
I'd rather he waited till after the world cup. No point in rushing him. Dendoncker can cover.
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Post by: not3bad on October 25, 2022, 09:39:38 PM
I'd rather he waited till after the world cup. No point in rushing him. Dendoncker can cover.

Agreed. Hopefully we'll need the squad when we have a good cup run so Kamara should take his time and get it right.
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Post by: Scovilla on October 25, 2022, 09:45:28 PM
I don't think Deschamps will take him although many midfield players are still injured or already out namely Kante and Pogba.
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Post by: Steve67 on October 25, 2022, 10:33:34 PM
Get him back in, next to Dendonker and move Douglas further forward.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 26, 2022, 01:24:17 AM
To do that can only mean replacing Buendia as he isn't a wide man. No thank you.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 26, 2022, 01:40:07 AM
Get him back in, next to Dendonker and move Douglas further forward.

I’d have Dendonker and Nakamba as Kamara’s understudy/rotation, and Sanson as Dougie’s. Sell McGinn to one of these clubs who haven’t watched him play for the last 3 years and are preparing £50m bids.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 26, 2022, 01:44:52 AM
Get him back in, next to Dendonker and move Douglas further forward.

I’d have Dendonker and Nakamba as Kamara’s understudy/rotation, and Sanson as Dougie’s. Sell McGinn to one of these clubs who haven’t watched him play for the last 3 years and are preparing £50m bids.

It's going to blow some pundit's minds when he goes for just half a Curly-Wurly and a packet of Lovehearts.
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Post by: Villafirst on October 26, 2022, 04:15:58 AM
Super quick recovery by Bouba! It's about 6 weeks since he picked up the injury against Southampton. Similar to Ezri Konsa's  quick recovery from a knee injury at the end of last season. Let's hope Diego Carlos is ahead of schedule with his recovery time from his ruptured Achilles injury!
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Post by: OCD on October 26, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
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I'd rather he waited till after the world cup. No point in rushing him. Dendoncker can cover.

He's probably been desperately trying to get himself in contention for a World Cup place. Good luck to the lad if he's got himself ready and at least give Deschamps the option.
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Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2022, 10:16:04 AM
Super quick recovery by Bouba! It's about 6 weeks since he picked up the injury against Southampton. Similar to Ezri Konsa's  quick recovery from a knee injury at the end of last season. Let's hope Diego Carlos is ahead of schedule with his recovery time from his ruptured Achilles injury!

I think with Carlos out that we've actually been pretty strong defensively and Mings and Konsa have got their mojo back.
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 26, 2022, 10:26:06 AM
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.
No wonder mistakes were made.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 26, 2022, 10:49:14 AM
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.
No wonder mistakes were made.
SG's formations certainly weren't causing any pressure on the opposition CBs!!!
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Post by: LeeB on October 26, 2022, 11:10:37 AM
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.
No wonder mistakes were made.
SG's formations certainly weren't causing any pressure on the opposition CBs!!!

His setup asked questions of everyone bar the opposition
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Post by: Somniloquism on October 26, 2022, 04:10:10 PM
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.
No wonder mistakes were made.
SG's formations certainly weren't causing any pressure on the opposition CBs!!!

His setup asked questions of everyone bar the opposition

Nah, it did ask them the question of how many would they put past us, and at what time of the match will they take off their better players to rest them.
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Post by: Smithy on October 26, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
I think it would be great to see him on the pitch before the World Cup, and to see him make the French squad, as unlikely as that is right now.

The results from the Man Utd and Brighton games could have a real impact in terms of our shopping January. 4 or 6 points and we could go into the January window solidly in the top half.  A couple of good performances under Emery and we look a MUCH more attractive option, with the 'R' word no longer part of the conversation.  And I thought Bouba was one of our better players in the early part of the season - if he's played as part of a double pivot, I think he'd really excel.
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Post by: olaftab on October 26, 2022, 04:26:05 PM
I hope Deschamps includes him in the squad.
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Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2022, 04:40:09 PM
I hope he doesn't quite make it.

I'd prefer he stay with us, get's properly fit and that Emery has the chance to work with him more.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 26, 2022, 04:41:16 PM
I agree with Drummond.
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Post by: villadelph on October 26, 2022, 04:42:08 PM
I hope he doesn't quite make it.

I'd prefer he stay with us, get's properly fit and that Emery has the chance to work with him more.

The selfish side of me is hoping for this.. but if he is fit enough he will probably go. No Kante or Pogba if I remember correctly?
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Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2022, 05:01:28 PM
I agree with Drummond.

I might frame that.

Seriously though, I'll be pleased for him to go next time, but this time is too soon and he could prove to be exceptional with a decent coach spending the equivalent of a pre-season with him.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 26, 2022, 06:17:54 PM
Nah, we want our players to be happy. I hope he makes it to the World Cup.
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Post by: Dave P on October 26, 2022, 06:43:52 PM
Nah, we want our players to be happy. I hope he makes it to the World Cup.

Same here
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 26, 2022, 07:05:58 PM
Nah, we want our players to be happy. I hope he makes it to the World Cup.
Any players we want tapping up ;)
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 26, 2022, 07:49:08 PM
I agree with Drummond.

I might frame that.

I know, right? It's normally the other way round. ;)
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Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2022, 09:09:48 PM
He wasn't expected to be back in training and available for match selection until after the World Cup.
It's not coincidence that Gerrard left and both Kamara and Digne to be a part of the squad? Really must have been some goings on for some of these players to not be selected. They were signed under SG and then weren't selected or stopped playing for him? Or how came back the minute he left ?

We welcome him back now and look forward to seeing him in midfield again. I think he was a great signing. A very assured player. Emery could use him in the centre back role as would be excellent in taking the ball and building up play.
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Post by: Mellin on November 07, 2022, 09:12:38 PM
A very good midfielder, but at the moment needs to earn his place. Wasn't so long ago we were talking about midfield as a mess. Nice problem to have.
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Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2022, 09:12:43 PM
He wasn't expected to be back in training and available for match selection until after the World Cup.
It's not coincidence that Gerrard left and both Kamara Digne to be a part of the squad? Really must have been some goings on for some of these players to not be selected. They were signed under SG and stopped playing for him

We welcome him back now and look forward to seeing him in midfield again. I think he was a great signing. A very assured player. Emery could use him in the centre back role as would be excellent in taking the ball and building up play.

Yes it is a coincidence, sometimes players recover faster than the initial estimates, sometimes they don't stop trying to unearth some great mystery when there's a very clear and simple explanation.
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Post by: Risso on November 07, 2022, 09:18:59 PM
They didn't stop playing, they were injured. Then they recovered. They were both mentioned by Gerrard as being closer to a return then first thought, so any conspiracy theory is just pure nutjobbery. It would take some doing to fake an injury that convinced our highly qualified medical staff and regular scans etc, and then have it magically clear up when the manager gets sacked.
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Post by: Legion on November 07, 2022, 10:09:18 PM
It's utter nonsense.
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Post by: Dave on November 07, 2022, 10:57:05 PM
They didn't stop playing, they were injured. Then they recovered. They were both mentioned by Gerrard as being closer to a return then first thought, so any conspiracy theory is just pure nutjobbery. It would take some doing to fake an injury that convinced our highly qualified medical staff and regular scans etc, and then have it magically clear up when the manager gets sacked.

Having both started to get settled in their national squad, one of the favorites for the World Cup, a couple of months before the tournament starts - the logical thing to do is obviously pretend to be seriously injured for vague, unspecified reasons.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 08, 2022, 11:39:52 AM
It's utter nonsense.

It' fucking hilarious is what it is. I've only just noticed it and it's cheered up my morning, plus the comments after of course !
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Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2022, 11:44:31 AM
If he makes the squad and is not over played, then at least he should be fully match fit when he returns, which may not be such a bad thing.  I'm a bit nervous about him breaking down though.
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Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2022, 11:50:14 AM
If he makes the squad and is not over played, then at least he should be fully match fit when he returns, which may not be such a bad thing.  I'm a bit nervous about him breaking down though.

It us mate, that would be a stone cold certainty. And it would happen in the last minute of a dead rubber game that means nothing.
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Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2022, 01:47:03 PM
It's utter nonsense.

It' fucking hilarious is what it is. I've only just noticed it and it's cheered up my morning, plus the comments after of course !

No need for a pile-on.
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Post by: Clampy on November 08, 2022, 06:16:23 PM
I'm a bit surprised Kamara has come back as soon as he has. Digne was always due back sometime soon though.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2022, 08:47:42 PM
I'm a bit surprised Kamara has come back as soon as he has.

He wanted to be back for page 44.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 08:51:49 AM
Has not made the french squad for the World Cup.
I hope he has a good 18 months here and makes it into the Euros with France
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Post by: Drummond on November 10, 2022, 10:58:45 AM
Disappointing for him, but good for us. Emery gets more time to work with him as part of the break now.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 10, 2022, 11:01:55 AM
Yeah it's only just over a week till it starts and he's just coming back so not too much of a surprise. Yes, hopefully he can show enough with us to get in next time.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
He will be at the Euros in 2 years and a number of WC’s thereafter. He’s better being home with us and getting ready for an exciting second half of the season
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2022, 05:08:17 PM
Quote
Boubacar Kamara’s first half by numbers vs. Brighton:

100% pass accuracy
20 touches
5/6 ground duels won
4 tackles won
2 ball recoveries
1 clearance
1 shot

https://twitter.com/StatmanDave/status/1591806235866800131?s=20&t=xym27hrUVcN7UNUCgO5sJQ
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2022, 05:12:39 PM
Thought he was outstanding today, which is impressive given how he’s clearly not match fit.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2022, 05:13:38 PM
Quality today.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 13, 2022, 05:16:03 PM
Yeah,superb
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Post by: Rigadon on November 13, 2022, 05:18:26 PM
He did great today, especially given he's been out for a while.  If Carlos has the same impact when he's back from injury then our spine will be so much more robust.  Add a serious goal scorer up top and we're in business. 
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Post by: Gerrin on November 13, 2022, 05:25:24 PM
Thought he was excellent today, quite surprised the criticism he was getting on the match thread. He's a quality player.
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Post by: Chris Smith on November 13, 2022, 05:30:28 PM
Thought he was excellent today, quite surprised the criticism he was getting on the match thread. He's a quality player.

He was really good, him and Doug look like they could be a really strong centre for us.
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Post by: Baldy on November 13, 2022, 05:31:19 PM
Kamara and Luiz are forming a great partnership. We now have a real presence in midfield.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on November 13, 2022, 05:34:09 PM
Top signing.

Shame he had his own injury as he'd probably be starting for France in this World cup given the injuries they have in midfield. Think Veretout made their final squad in the end.

Bouba just has that wonderful quality of reading the game and being in the right place at right time to cut out dangerous developing attacks.

Anyone wanted to do anything serious in the league needs one and we've lacked that type probably since Petrov stopped playing for us.
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Post by: tomd2103 on November 13, 2022, 05:45:33 PM
Yeah, thought the defensive side of his game was excellent today.  Still a little bit off the pace in certain areas, but that's only to be expected given he's only just come back after being out.

He can now get up to speed over the break and be ready when the league resumes. 
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 13, 2022, 06:16:02 PM
Did well today. Needs the break. Not fully fit. Smart and composed
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Post by: Villan82 on November 13, 2022, 06:37:01 PM
Kamara and Luiz are forming a great partnership. We now have a real presence in midfield.

I am excited to see how this pairing develops.
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Post by: paul_e on November 14, 2022, 12:10:29 AM
Thought he was excellent today, quite surprised the criticism he was getting on the match thread. He's a quality player.

I think it was more comments that he looked short if fitness than criticism, unless I missed something. Towards the end of the first half there was one time he took a pass and his legs went to jelly, I wasn't convinced he'd be back out so for him to play the full match was a big surprise. He was empty towards the end though.
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Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
His anticipation is outstanding and he passes crisply and quickly. He's going to be some player, in fact he's got the potential to be the best in the world in this role. As I said last week, the Marseille fan I met after the Man Utd game was absolutely convinced he will be a superstar. They sold Anguissa to Napoli as well who's having a brilliant season, but he reckoned Kamara was a class above him.
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Post by: chrisw1 on November 14, 2022, 12:36:12 PM
This guy is some player.  Very surprised he managed so many minutes in successive games off the back of his injury, but at least he can recover now.
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Post by: OCD on November 14, 2022, 09:34:50 PM
Didn't he get called up to the French squad?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 14, 2022, 09:39:04 PM
Nope.
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Post by: Pete3206 on November 14, 2022, 10:00:38 PM
France must have a special midfield set up if they can leave Kamara out
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 14, 2022, 10:08:00 PM
France must have a special midfield set up if they can leave Kamara out

They do, but I suspect it’s more down to the injury. He hasn’t established himself when it happened and timing/fitness just weren’t realistic. Had he been fit all season I reckon there’s a good chance he’d be going.
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Post by: caster troy on November 15, 2022, 10:59:43 AM
Luiz (24), Ramsey (21), Kamara (22). That is some serious potential. Lets see where they can get us to with a world class coach. Ireogbunam to come in as well at some point...
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Post by: Mister E on November 15, 2022, 11:05:22 AM
Luiz (24), Ramsey (21), Kamara (22). That is some serious potential. Lets see where they can get us to with a world class coach. Ireogbunam to come in as well at some point...
Aaron Ramsey could quite conceivably be a contender for our #10 role next season, as well.
KKH should, next season, be pushing Cash for a starting position.
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Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2022, 11:22:25 AM
Luiz (24), Ramsey (21), Kamara (22). That is some serious potential. Lets see where they can get us to with a world class coach. Ireogbunam to come in as well at some point...
Aaron Ramsey could quite conceivably be a contender for our #10 role next season, as well.
KKH should, next season, be pushing Cash for a starting position.

O'Reilly looks a very good prospect as well.
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Post by: Risso on November 15, 2022, 11:28:14 AM
And Feeney.
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Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2022, 11:38:46 AM
And Feeney.

I was just talking about centre mids but yes, I think Feeney might be the best of the lot.
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Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2022, 11:45:06 AM
You'd not normally blood so many youngsters at the same time, that's the only issue. Keeping them all happy with game time is tricky, and out of all the names mentioned, I think it's highly unlikely that KKH, O'Reilly, Feeney and Ramsey. A. will play next season. Emery will want some more proven quality.
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Post by: OCD on November 15, 2022, 12:22:14 PM
When I read up about Emery, I read that he's known for giving kids a chance. I'd imagine the likes of A Ramsey and Iroegbunam will have the best chance of coming through and those that haven't been out on loan yet will go out and get that experience.
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Post by: Smithy on November 15, 2022, 12:35:02 PM
When I read up about Emery, I read that he's known for giving kids a chance. I'd imagine the likes of A Ramsey and Iroegbunam will have the best chance of coming through and those that haven't been out on loan yet will go out and get that experience.

Indeed. Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe all got their Arsenal debuts as teenagers under Unai.
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Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2022, 12:44:32 PM
I wonder if it's actually better/easier to bring 3-4 players through into the senior squad together than one at time. It keeps them together as a group and reduces the pressure on each of them individually by pushing the pressure onto the manager and coaches instead (who've decided to risk bringing so many through at once).
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Post by: OCD on November 15, 2022, 01:02:57 PM
The problem we have is that we've got a bloated squad and we may not be able to get rid of as many as we would like.
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Post by: Risso on November 15, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
I wonder if it's actually better/easier to bring 3-4 players through into the senior squad together than one at time. It keeps them together as a group and reduces the pressure on each of them individually by pushing the pressure onto the manager and coaches instead (who've decided to risk bringing so many through at once).

I suppose it's possible as with the Beckham and Scholes era Man Utd team, but quite rare. They all need to be good enough for the first team, and even then that's quite a clear out of senior players to accommodate them in the squad.
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Post by: Chris Smith on November 15, 2022, 02:14:31 PM
Emre appears to want to use all 5 subs so that should increase the opportunities for younger players.
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Post by: Risso on November 15, 2022, 02:50:45 PM
Emre appears to want to use all 5 subs so that should increase the opportunities for younger players.

Indeed, but they have to be in the squad in the first place. This was the subs bench on Sunday:

Substitutes
8 Sanson
16 Chambers
17 Augustinsson
18 Young
20 Bednarek
25 Olsen
31 Bailey
32 Dendoncker
35 Archer

On top of that you need to add Watkins who was ill, Coutinho who is injured and Carlos who is due back this season. Bednarek is only on loan so he'll be gone, and would think that even with the change in boss that Sanson will be off. Ashley Young won't go on forever, so maybe another place there. Chambers can probably GTFO as well, but assuming we buy a couple of seniors, there's still not much room for kids without injuries or a bigger clear out.
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Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2022, 03:06:20 PM
Emre appears to want to use all 5 subs so that should increase the opportunities for younger players.

Indeed, but they have to be in the squad in the first place. This was the subs bench on Sunday:

Substitutes
8 Sanson /Ramsey. A.
16 Chambers / Feeney
17 Augustinsson / KKH
18 Young
20 Bednarek
25 Olsen / My nan, God bless her soul
31 Bailey / O'Reilly
32 Dendoncker / Iroegbunam
35 Archer / erm Archer/new Striker/Watkins

On top of that you need to add Watkins who was ill, Coutinho who is injured and Carlos who is due back this season. Bednarek is only on loan so he'll be gone, and would think that even with the change in boss that Sanson will be off. Ashley Young won't go on forever, so maybe another place there. Chambers can probably GTFO as well, but assuming we buy a couple of seniors, there's still not much room for kids without injuries or a bigger clear out.

Put some names in...
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Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2022, 06:01:34 PM
I wonder if it's actually better/easier to bring 3-4 players through into the senior squad together than one at time. It keeps them together as a group and reduces the pressure on each of them individually by pushing the pressure onto the manager and coaches instead (who've decided to risk bringing so many through at once).

I suppose it's possible as with the Beckham and Scholes era Man Utd team, but quite rare. They all need to be good enough for the first team, and even then that's quite a clear out of senior players to accommodate them in the squad.

There's a difference betwreen bringing them into the squad together and playing them together though. I'm thinking more along the lines of adding 3-4 into senior training at once and then slowly adding them 1-2 at a time to the bench for a few games and getting a few minutes here and there. Over 6-12 months you can easily, with 9 subs, find space to get them all involved and see how they respond.

My thinking is that if you look around the room in a team meeting and see a bunch of senior players that have hundreds of international caps between them for places like Argentina, Brazil, France, etc that could easily be quite intimidating. If you're there next to a few guys you've played with for years and all of you know you're going to get a chance soon you will naturally compare/compete in that group rather than with the senior squad players.

Also, as I said, it means the pressure is on the people that put you all there, if you've come through on your own then there's a risk of feeling the need to prove you belong.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 26, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
Looks the real deal. Keep it up Bouba.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2022, 09:38:29 PM
Looks the real deal. Keep it up Bouba.
our best player by a mile today.
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Post by: brian green on December 26, 2022, 09:50:45 PM
Agree.  Very impressed.
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Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2022, 10:03:17 PM
He needs a solid and reliable partner in there next to him.
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Post by: Paul.S on December 27, 2022, 12:22:57 AM
He’s our best central midfielder by a distance. A real talent who reads the game well and can pass.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on December 27, 2022, 01:40:18 PM
He needs a solid and reliable partner in there next to him.
I am looking forward to seeing Tim Iroegbunam next to him. Those two could compliment each other extremely well.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2022, 01:47:55 PM
I'd like to see Kamara and Dendonker as the pivots in a 4231 system.
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Post by: Ad@m on December 27, 2022, 01:50:33 PM
Seriously impressive yesterday. He's just so composed on the ball - not in a Douglas Luiz "dawdles on the ball then gets his pocket picked" kind of way, but in a "seems to have more time than other players" kind of way.
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Post by: Mister E on December 27, 2022, 02:25:36 PM
I'd like to see Kamara and Dendonker as the pivots in a 4231 system.
Yes, I think you're right.
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Post by: john e on December 27, 2022, 02:45:19 PM
Glad we went for Kamara and never ended up with Bissouma the way he’s playing for Spurs. Got his big money move and now looks shite
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Post by: Risso on December 27, 2022, 03:42:11 PM
Kamara looks really good, and was our best player yesterday. Looks consistently good as well, unlike Luiz who has your tearing your hair out one minute, then playing a sublime pass the next.
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Post by: CT Villan on December 27, 2022, 04:00:00 PM
Kamara looks really good, and was our best player yesterday. Looks consistently good as well, unlike Luiz who has your tearing your hair out one minute, then playing a sublime pass the next.

Agreed...another thing I like about Kamara is that he doesn't fall over when an opposition player beats him. He works his nuts off to try and get back, unlike some of his team-mates.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2022, 07:39:22 PM
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1607812340497481729?s=46&t=S3bUt1d4au5sQeuvhcLC9Q

Impressive stuff.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2022, 07:57:51 PM
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1607812340497481729?s=46&t=S3bUt1d4au5sQeuvhcLC9Q

Impressive stuff.
That is top top play.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2022, 12:00:51 AM
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1607812340497481729?s=46&t=S3bUt1d4au5sQeuvhcLC9Q

Impressive stuff.

I took two things from that montage. 1) he is outstanding. 2) the first touch of some of the recipients is beyond shocking. Improve the latter and we will see Kamara move to an even higher level with better players to play with.
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Post by: KevinGage on December 28, 2022, 12:10:16 AM
He has a cheek to his game you don't ordinarily associate with a DM.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 28, 2022, 01:48:03 AM
Kamara looks really good, and was our best player yesterday. Looks consistently good as well, unlike Luiz who has your tearing your hair out one minute, then playing a sublime pass the next.

Agreed...another thing I like about Kamara is that he doesn't fall over when an opposition player beats him. He works his nuts off to try and get back, unlike some of his team-mates.

Yes. It's pathetic the way some of our guys fall over when they lose the ball, often dangerously exposing us on the break.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 29, 2022, 05:10:08 PM
He needs a solid and reliable partner in there next to him.

Don't we all!
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Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2023, 03:58:56 PM
When we signed him I thought Kamara might become the player we've desperately needed in midfield for 3 years, it's taken him less than half a season, gives us everything we've been missing and, importantly, frees Luiz up to be the player loads of us suspected he could be with a bit more freedom.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 01, 2023, 04:05:27 PM
Yes. Just imagine what he'll become over the next few seasons.
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Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
Proper fucking player this guy.
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Post by: manic-road on January 01, 2023, 04:10:37 PM
Proper fucking player this guy.

I thought he was outstanding again today, controlled the midfield with Luiz.
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Post by: gpbarr on January 01, 2023, 04:11:17 PM
Going all the way to the top this kid - such composure for such a young player.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2023, 04:13:51 PM
He's fucking great. How long have we wanted a player of this style, and to get one so good is brilliant.

If you watch the videos that turned up of his involvements in the Liverpool game, you really see how he's everywhere.
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Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2023, 04:14:03 PM
Yes. Just imagine what he'll become over the next few seasons.

Along with JJ and Tim I'm really excited about our midfield options over the next few years.
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Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2023, 04:19:09 PM
We could not have signed a better player in that role, because he doesn't exist. This kid is going to be an absolute superstar.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2023, 04:19:57 PM
Did brilliantly to take the ball off Kane and set McGinn up for the pass for the second goal
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Post by: Villan82 on January 01, 2023, 04:20:56 PM
We have been crying out for this player for years and we finally found him. I am so impressed by him
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 01, 2023, 04:30:08 PM
This guy might well be the only thing we should ever be thankful to SFG for.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 01, 2023, 04:34:42 PM
Hugely impressed by Kamara today.  Whenever Spurs had the ball and looked like they might threaten to put together a dangerous move I'd be instinctively asking myself 'where's Kamara?' and invariably the immediate reassuring answer to myself was 'ah, it's alright, there he is.'
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2023, 04:36:24 PM
Simply outstanding. Always in the right place. Always playing the right pass. Simple stuff and critical in the 2nd goal.
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Post by: Rigadon on January 01, 2023, 04:38:08 PM
World class.
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Post by: TaxDodger on January 01, 2023, 04:39:49 PM
He's ridiculous.
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Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
He is a fantastic player and I want Villa to surround him with other classy players. Rarely wastes a pass, covers well for others, reads the game superbly.  Would be Captain for me.  Best player on the pitch.
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Post by: dave shelley on January 01, 2023, 04:58:51 PM
When we signed him I thought Kamara might become the player we've desperately needed in midfield for 3 years, it's taken him less than half a season, gives us everything we've been missing and, importantly, frees Luiz up to be the player loads of us suspected he could be with a bit more freedom.

And not forgetting he's missed a chunk of it through injury.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2023, 05:04:01 PM
What a player.
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Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2023, 05:07:02 PM
Just think how good the French would have been with a fit Boubacar in their team?
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Post by: IFWaters on January 01, 2023, 05:13:02 PM
I said in the match thread Spurs spunked 50 million on Bissouma and our Booby just wiped his arse with him. Outstanding close control, gets crucial tackles in, rarely gives away fouls. How did we get him on a free? Amazing business.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2023, 05:13:19 PM
Brilliant player.
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Post by: Ger Regan on January 01, 2023, 05:18:03 PM
He looks the real deal
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Post by: Risso on January 01, 2023, 05:23:14 PM
He’s superb. Great vision, gets stick in and rarely gives it away.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2023, 06:16:05 PM
Pure class.
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Post by: passport1 on January 01, 2023, 06:19:18 PM
One of the most gifted players I have seen at Villa for a very long time.
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Post by: oldtimernow on January 01, 2023, 06:40:41 PM
If he could only play up front & score and play in goal as well we would cause teams more than a few problems 😉
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Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2023, 06:45:41 PM
One of the most gifted players I have seen at Villa for a very long time.
Indeed. I thought he was also brilliant against Liverpool and you watch a couple of more games like this and Press will soon earmark him for PSG etc.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2023, 06:58:16 PM
Fabulous little player. The more I see of him, the better he looks.
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Post by: Matt C on January 01, 2023, 09:01:41 PM
As I saw someone else write *edit - it’s in Dave’s article* he’s the sort of player other clubs sign and you wonder why we never do. Now we have and he’s outstanding.
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Post by: darren woolley on January 01, 2023, 09:36:25 PM
He was brilliant today.
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Post by: not3bad on January 01, 2023, 09:44:58 PM
Crazy that this guy wasn't in the World Cup finals.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 09:48:43 PM
He's elite, and he does his job in midfield so well as a retainer of possession and ball winner.
It's a valuable asset to have a footballer who is so at comfortable in possession. We now need two to three more like this around the defensive third.

Tactically, he can drop back into defence, and there may be an idea to sign a centre back who gets forward while Kamara sits if we don't move Kamara to centre half this season (I ultimately see him playing and becoming a modern day great centre half) due to the existing members of squad not able to fulfill role at dm.

If we can add some more of these possession style players or the existing players within the squad develop the quality on the ball then that would be such a brilliant team!

For the time being, Kamara must play defensive midfield because players like Nakamba and Chambers might not be able to handle this possession game. Chambers can play midfield and defence but not in a way that involves retaining the ball, making him a dumber version of Kamara.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 09:55:37 PM
If he could only play up front & score and play in goal as well we would cause teams more than a few problems 😉

He’s superb. Great vision, gets stick in and rarely gives it away.
He is a fantastic player and I want Villa to surround him with other classy players. Rarely wastes a pass, covers well for others, reads the game superbly.  Would be Captain for me.  Best player on the pitch.

He possesses the skills to play as a centre half thanks to his assured play and ability for playing the ball out, and I've assigned him to a centre back position one day . Depending on how the squad expand and develops may even be this season, BK to me might be best suited at centre back because it fits how football is played in a tactical style with a possession based footballer in the defence. It also suits  how Emery wants his defenders to play at Villa.

When playing at the back, he would resemble Thiago Silva or Van Dyke.  Playing there he would be potential to be one of the very best modern day defenders.

Given that he had previously played there at times before transferring to Villa, as I say I  really wouldn't be surprised if we saw him in that capacity at some point in his career here. He's already very good and assured to go into the defensive line and receive the ball either freeing up other midfielders or starting the play. And that would make good reason to have him a centre back when we get more improvement from the existing players or ones being brought in.

Why else I think he should play centre half is because of his ability in possession and dealing with strikers pressing him, I believe he would be even more useful at centre back, giving Villa more flexibility in the midfield 3 once the midfielders best suited to Emery are in the squad.  And as already said he has to remain at midfield until we have more possession based players in the squad.
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Post by: charleeco7 on January 01, 2023, 09:59:16 PM
He’s very good where he is.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 12:33:09 AM
Why would we want to move the best CDM we have, from a position that has been a trouble spot for us for as long as I can remember? If we want comfortable ball playing CB’s, then we need to buy comfortable ball playing centre backs. We have one in Carlos, so we will just need another. There is no point in upsetting the CDM slot when we have just got it covered with probably the best option available…
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2023, 12:36:16 AM
Yep it’s a daft idea. It took us what feels like decades to find an outstanding DM. So a better idea is to buy a top tier CB to upgrade from Konsa on the right or Mings on the left. Someone to ultimately partner Carlos.
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Post by: Axl Rose on January 02, 2023, 01:21:33 AM
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.

When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2023, 01:37:52 AM
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.

When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.

I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.
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Post by: Axl Rose on January 02, 2023, 02:09:19 AM
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.

When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.

I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.

Ha! Now you're talking, mate! I mentioned to some Korean students recently that she's my favourite, and they said something along the lines of 'urgh teacher, she's a grandma'.

Idiots. Still, I'd move those students to centre back before Kamara.
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Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2023, 02:15:18 AM
I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.
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Post by: rob_bridge on January 02, 2023, 06:12:34 AM
Fabulous little player. The more I see of him, the better he looks.

Yeah he is the real deal seemingly
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Post by: SamTheMouse on January 02, 2023, 08:03:39 AM
It's looking more and more like my Marseille-supporting mate was right. This kid is going to be one of the best in the world eventually.
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Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
Kamara going to centre back might be something he does later in his career but not now, totally unnecessary
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 02, 2023, 10:14:43 AM
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.

When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.

I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.
Ridiculous and shows no understanding of my points in discussion. It's actually like marrying someone who's really good at 2 things and able to do both fantastically well!

At the moment he's doing very well in midfield and was only saying I wouldn't be surprised if he is deployed as a defender and if he was he would be sublime. And that if he did play there he would become a great. Talking about him becoming a great midfielder wasn't what I was simply discussing unlike everyone else. Actually I was broadening the discussion.
That's all.

Kamara going to centre back might be something he does later in his career but not now, totally unnecessary

Yes it's not currently feasible but the view is that he has all the qualities to play and be an outstanding centre back.
That if we get the required players or develop existing ones as possession based players he can be utilised in the defence.
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Post by: Axl Rose on January 02, 2023, 10:29:11 AM
Haha. Ok footy! Happy New Year!
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Post by: Baldy on January 02, 2023, 10:34:05 AM
Kamara was excellent yesterday, arguably man of the match.

Can't believe Match of the Day or even Garth Crooks didn't acknowledged him. C'est la vie.

His awareness, commitment, focus, ability to read a game etc is beyond reproach. We have been waiting for a Carrodus/Taylor like player for years in midfield.

Probably has the attributes to be a good centre half but think that may be many years down the line. For now, let him and Luiz build their partnership. It has the potential to be formidable. Their presence alone fills me with confidence.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 02, 2023, 10:48:42 AM

I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.
I immediately thinking"no" to the aforementioned because I just had a break.
And even though I respectfully take on board there is a suggestion or something not to post
 I was actually planning to start giving to H and V once more! But these sort of things set me back! As it then becomes a discussion in my thoughts as to how long before someone says I shouldn't post or is trying to exclude me.
Mods really should be the only ones who have the authority on that. Think you're taking advantage of how soft I am but unlucky for you my new years resolutions is not to be dictated to online or off.
New year wishes to you anyway!


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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 02, 2023, 10:49:16 AM
Yep it’s a daft idea. It took us what feels like decades to find an outstanding DM. So a better idea is to buy a top tier CB to upgrade from Konsa on the right or Mings on the left. Someone to ultimately partner Carlos.

Why would we want to move the best CDM we have, from a position that has been a trouble spot for us for as long as I can remember? If we want comfortable ball playing CB’s, then we need to buy comfortable ball playing centre backs. We have one in Carlos, so we will just need another. There is no point in upsetting the CDM slot when we have just got it covered with probably the best option available…

These comments came across to me as people who weren't fully understanding the idea of a player who could play multiple roles and I was bringing up some points on this that hadn't been covered by anyone for discussion previously.
I was expanding the discussion which were far too readily dismissed as proved bybtge response which don't allow for further open talks

Additionally, if my post was properly read, I provided full justification and explanation rather than merely stating, "Play Kamara at centre back."  Cavaets were present. I discussed all of the options for meeting the need for possession-based centre backs and for developing the squad's current players.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2023, 10:50:29 AM

I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.
I immediately thinking"no" to the aforementioned because I just had a break.
And even though I respectfully take on board there is a suggestion or something not to post
 I was actually planning to start giving to H and V once more! But these sort of things set me back! As it then becomes a discussion in my thoughts as to how long before someone says I shouldn't post or is trying to exclude me.
Mods really should be the only ones who have the authority on that. Think you're taking advantage of how soft I am but unlucky for you my new years resolutions is not to be dictated to online or off.
New year wishes to you anyway!
I am sure it was in jest Footy.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 02, 2023, 11:02:41 AM
Well, jesting could be why the comment was made by Olaftab
I'll only next post on the Kamara thread when he plays at centre back. That's fair all round.
So can discuss his performance then! As nothing more needs to be said on his quality in midfield and as a defender by me

In the words of Marty McFly from the film Back to the Future
I Guess You Guys Aren't Ready For That Yet (But Your Kids Are Gonna Love It)

Think thats a great resolution and everyone else can carry on as they were.
It's good some posters understood my point though for Kamara playing at centre half!
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Post by: Axl Rose on January 02, 2023, 11:08:58 AM
I don't think he'll be playing centre back any time soon, Footy.
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Post by: Baldy on January 02, 2023, 11:21:10 AM
What I like is Kamara and/or Luiz dropping back deeper more often to collect the ball from our goalie/centre backs and progressing the move forward.

So much better than Mings/Konsa dithering on the ball before going sideways/backwards or hoofing.

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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 11:40:41 AM
Yep it’s a daft idea. It took us what feels like decades to find an outstanding DM. So a better idea is to buy a top tier CB to upgrade from Konsa on the right or Mings on the left. Someone to ultimately partner Carlos.

Why would we want to move the best CDM we have, from a position that has been a trouble spot for us for as long as I can remember? If we want comfortable ball playing CB’s, then we need to buy comfortable ball playing centre backs. We have one in Carlos, so we will just need another. There is no point in upsetting the CDM slot when we have just got it covered with probably the best option available…

These comments came across to me as people who weren't fully understanding the idea of a player who could play multiple roles and I was bringing up some points on this that hadn't been covered by anyone for discussion previously.
I was expanding the discussion which were far too readily dismissed as proved bybtge response which don't allow for further open talks

Additionally, if my post was properly read, I provided full justification and explanation rather than merely stating, "Play Kamara at centre back."  Cavaets were present. I discussed all of the options for meeting the need for possession-based centre backs and for developing the squad's current players.

There is no need to explain what you were saying, I can read. I merely disagree with your thought process. Could he play at CB? Yes. He has done at Marseille, so it’s not a new concept. Should he play at CB? Absolutely not. For the reasons I stated. All I did was to add to the discussion by respectfully disagreeing with you. And I stand by what I said. There is no reason to want to move Kamara to CB when we could just fill the CB role with the desired level of quality & playing styles with a transfer. Because if we move Kamara to CB, we are then left with needing to purchase another CDM. Which makes no sense when we already have one that is proving to be the answer to all of the prayers we have been asking for, for as long as a piece of string is.
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Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2023, 11:41:00 AM
I don't think he'll be playing centre back any time soon, Footy.

Great news!
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Post by: Chris Smith on January 02, 2023, 11:52:12 AM
He might end up playing deeper but only in the same way as Ashley Young has by having another string to his bow in 10 years time in order to extend his career.
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Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2023, 11:53:53 AM
Footy, don't mind Olaftab, we need you here and H&V is a duller place without you.
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Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2023, 11:57:46 AM

I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.
I immediately thinking"no" to the aforementioned because I just had a break.
And even though I respectfully take on board there is a suggestion or something not to post
 I was actually planning to start giving to H and V once more! But these sort of things set me back! As it then becomes a discussion in my thoughts as to how long before someone says I shouldn't post or is trying to exclude me.
Mods really should be the only ones who have the authority on that. Think you're taking advantage of how soft I am but unlucky for you my new years resolutions is not to be dictated to online or off.
New year wishes to you anyway!
I am sure it was in jest Footy.

Yes Footy as CL said. You carry on mate with your left field  input and as eamonn said it makes this place better. Happy new year.
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Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2023, 12:01:32 PM
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.

When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.

I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.
I think she should also sing whilst doing that.
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Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2023, 12:03:55 PM
In game if we are limited for subs or if there is an injury crisis, he's an option there.

But it wouldn't be ideal. It solves one problem to give us an issue elsewhere.
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Post by: Villan82 on January 02, 2023, 12:25:54 PM
We have been crying out for a player like this for many years. We haven't had a specialist there for at least 10 years  and, arguably, not since Boateng left! Now that we have that player we are hardly going to play him in the wrong position!
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Post by: nigel on January 02, 2023, 12:27:08 PM
I don't think he'll be playing centre back any time soon, Footy.

Footy did call that Emi wouldn’t get straight back in (or words to that effect)
So watch this space 😂
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Post by: OCD on January 02, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
He said Olsen would be number 1. Bit of a difference.
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Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2023, 12:55:01 PM
What I like is Kamara and/or Luiz dropping back deeper more often to collect the ball from our goalie/centre backs and progressing the move forward.
So much better than Mings/Konsa dithering on the ball before going sideways/backwards or hoofing.
What I've noticed since the WC break is that both Mings and Konsa are bringing the ball out more and passing better; as well as letting Kamara and Luiz drop back to receive.
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Post by: usav on January 02, 2023, 02:45:50 PM
Agree.  Haven’t seen the Ming’s square ball to Digne - who isn’t there - and go straight out of play.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 02:58:05 PM
What I like is Kamara and/or Luiz dropping back deeper more often to collect the ball from our goalie/centre backs and progressing the move forward.
So much better than Mings/Konsa dithering on the ball before going sideways/backwards or hoofing.
What I've noticed since the WC break is that both Mings and Konsa are bringing the ball out more and passing better; as well as letting Kamara and Luiz drop back to receive.
The midfielders dropping back a little is helping there. There isn’t so much space between them & that allows a much simpler pass to be made. Good movement allows for good passing. It was always a principle of Wenger back in the day that the player on the ball always had people move around him so that there were always two simple passing options. I’m not saying Emery is Wenger, but the principle remains the same.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2023, 03:23:20 PM
Very impressive

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1609899308366663680?s=61&t=81aR483cfMvrJBZiUfIDlg
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Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2023, 03:49:55 PM
He reads the game so well.  Fantastic player, so composed.
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Post by: OCD on January 02, 2023, 04:08:11 PM
Kamara's the type of player where Sky, or whoever, put up stats of our record with him and without and there's a staggering difference.
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Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2023, 04:14:40 PM
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was  yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.
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Post by: Risso on January 02, 2023, 04:46:19 PM
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was  yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.

Yep, I can really see him being charmed to go to a club by a manager who clearly doesn't want to be there.
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 02, 2023, 04:48:53 PM
Very impressive

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1609899308366663680?s=61&t=81aR483cfMvrJBZiUfIDlg
Brilliant.... Lets move him toCB :)
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
Same as the Liverpool feature.
Awareness, knows when to go quick or slow, balance, doesn't fall even when hit, tackles intelligently, prefect weight of pass..
Love it.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2023, 05:01:41 PM
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was  yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.

Yep, I can really see him being charmed to go to a club by a manager who clearly doesn't want to be there.

Spurs fans truly are delusional bell ends.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 02, 2023, 05:30:26 PM
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was  yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.

Yep, I can really see him being charmed to go to a club by a manager who clearly doesn't want to be there.

Spurs fans truly are delusional bell ends.

Well, with the media having their backs is it any wonder why? Every national outlet it was all about their failings and nothing to do with anything we did. They make me sick.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 05:51:59 PM
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.
All Spurs fans are idiots. Every single one of them to a person.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 05:52:57 PM
Very impressive

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1609899308366663680?s=61&t=81aR483cfMvrJBZiUfIDlg
Brilliant.... Lets move him toCB :)

And anybody who disagrees, doesn’t understand…  ;)
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2023, 05:53:06 PM
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.
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Post by: john e on January 02, 2023, 06:07:13 PM
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.

In fairness our Dougie is a good looking lad
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Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2023, 06:15:12 PM
Same as the Liverpool feature.
Awareness, knows when to go quick or slow, balance, doesn't fall even when hit, tackles intelligently, prefect weight of pass..
Love it.

I'm looking forward to seeing him partner with Tim in central midfield (partly because they're both very classy, and partly to wind up the Bitters).
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 06:24:05 PM
Same as the Liverpool feature.
Awareness, knows when to go quick or slow, balance, doesn't fall even when hit, tackles intelligently, prefect weight of pass..
Love it.

I'm looking forward to seeing him partner with Tim in central midfield (partly because they're both very classy, and partly to wind up the Bitters).
Me too. I have rated Iroegbunam as one of our top prospects for a while now & I can’t wait to see him in a Villa shirt next to Kamara. A midfield trio of Kamara, Iroegbunam & Ramsey is young, pacy, exciting, dynamic, etc. Will be very difficult for the opposition to counter their movements. I can’t wait to see it.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on January 02, 2023, 07:30:41 PM
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.

After the final whistle and clapping the players etc,  all the Villa fans had turned their backs to the pitch and were singing ‘two nil on yer big day out’ to the ‘spurs’ supporters in the stand above us. Did we get lots of abuse back? Nope, the tourists took photo’s.
For a nano second, i realised i was nothing more than an artefact of ancient ritual that had been absorbed into a corporate souless day trip of no significance to people who have been sold the global brand that is the sky super six and premier league.
I really want us to be successful, but i hope beyond hope that we somehow avoid some of the trappings that goes with it now.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 02, 2023, 07:53:35 PM
Yep i saw that with the taking photos .  In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 02, 2023, 07:57:22 PM
I asked my Devon Red Man Utd “supporting” mate why he took cameras & 1200 pics for his Facebook account to Old Trafford & his reply was, & I quote, “how else are other people going to know if I went or not?”. I shit you not. My reply was exactly as it would be most who support their home town club, “who gives a fu*k if other people know if I went or not?” Happy clapping day trippers are one of the worst elements about modern day football.
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Post by: rougegorge on January 02, 2023, 08:04:53 PM
Yep i saw that with the taking photos .  In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??
Well people who are going to a Premier League match for the first and maybe only time will take photos on their big day out.🙂

There were a large number of Son fans there. Also the queues at the shop were testament to a marketing success. Their club shop was certainly an upgrade on ours.

I'm not sure I particularly like it, but it's almost unavoidable.

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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 02, 2023, 08:07:28 PM
Yep i saw that with the taking photos .  In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??
Well people who are going to a Premier League match for the first and maybe only time will take photos on their big day out.🙂

There were a large number of Son fans there. Also the queues at the shop were testament to a marketing success. Their club shop was certainly an upgrade on ours.

I'm not sure I particularly like it, but it's almost unavoidable.



I get the taking photos, I did that with my son ,  but after a goal😳😃
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Post by: Pat McMahon on January 02, 2023, 10:19:55 PM
Yep i saw that with the taking photos .  In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??
Well people who are going to a Premier League match for the first and maybe only time will take photos on their big day out.🙂

There were a large number of Son fans there. Also the queues at the shop were testament to a marketing success. Their club shop was certainly an upgrade on ours.

I'm not sure I particularly like it, but it's almost unavoidable.



We were there yesterday and it cropped up a few times in conversations before and after the game.

We caught a bus from Seven Sisters to the ground and maybe 20% of the people on the bus were east Asian. I’d say about 10% of people we saw queuing to get into the club shop and the ground were east Asian too. I presume a large number of these fans were Korean and there for Son.

When the teams were announced pre kick off Kane just about got the biggest cheer but Son was a very close  second. It reminded me of the cacophony in Qatar when Ronaldo came on.

The touts in Tottenham must be making a fortune, though I have no idea where they source their tickets.

I’ve noticed a number of Chinese fans at Villa Park in the past few years and chatted to a few. Most have been students who want to see premier league football and are rooting for us unless we play Liverpool (probably). But this is a really small percentage of home fans, nothing like the number of fans Spurs attracted yesterday.

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Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2023, 01:46:21 PM
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.

Isn't this the sort of thing Mr Woodhall alluded to when he said (to paraphrase) "To get where we want to be, we must become the thing that we hate".
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Post by: Hookeysmith on January 03, 2023, 02:06:29 PM
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.

Isn't this the sort of thing Mr Woodhall alluded to when he said (to paraphrase) "To get where we want to be, we must become the thing that we hate".

A lyric within a track called How about that! by Jesus Jones

"The problem with success is you become what you detest"

very true i am afraid.

Wet Spam utilise all the floating tourist fans also as there is no way they are filling that stadium with actual Hammers fans
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Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2023, 02:40:28 PM
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.

Isn't this the sort of thing Mr Woodhall alluded to when he said (to paraphrase) "To get where we want to be, we must become the thing that we hate".

It was him or Emporer Palpatine
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Post by: Somniloquism on January 03, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
Bloke at work stated Kamara looked good the last couple of games, would he have kept Gerrard in a job if not injured. I stated no, as Kamara had some good games pre-injury but we still looked like shit because Gerrard couldn't work out how to organise the players properly anyway. Emery does.
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Post by: usav on January 03, 2023, 05:26:15 PM
Bloke at work stated Kamara looked good the last couple of games, would he have kept Gerrard in a job if not injured. I stated no, as Kamara had some good games pre-injury but we still looked like shit because Gerrard couldn't work out how to organise the players properly anyway. Emery does.

Thank God we will never find out.
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Post by: Rigadon on January 04, 2023, 11:58:12 AM
Bloke at work stated Kamara looked good the last couple of games, would he have kept Gerrard in a job if not injured. I stated no, as Kamara had some good games pre-injury but we still looked like shit because Gerrard couldn't work out how to organise the players properly anyway. Emery does.

Thank God we will never find out.

Indeed.  Not exactly a queue of chairman at our previous managers door it would seem.
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Post by: LukeJames on January 13, 2023, 10:07:59 PM
Feel like I'm saying the same thing after every game. Utter class.
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Post by: Ger Regan on January 13, 2023, 10:09:17 PM
Amazing player, utter class
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2023, 10:11:16 PM
Should of been our MOM
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Post by: Olof's Beard on January 13, 2023, 10:14:47 PM
Getting better with every game, we need more signings like him. Strong, composed, able to compete when it gets physical and looks after the ball. Brilliant player.
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Post by: Steve67 on January 13, 2023, 10:17:59 PM
He needs a partner in there next to him.  Someone more physical.  Kamara is a world class player and we need to build the side around him. Fantastic player, so very composed on the ball. Man of the match against Leeds.
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Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
Getting better with every game, we need more signings like him. Strong, composed, able to compete when it gets physical and looks after the ball. Brilliant player.

Genuinely two footed as well
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Post by: supertom on January 13, 2023, 10:25:47 PM
I've seen so many in his position fumble under a press or get a bit too lackadaisical on the ball. Including Dougy. But Kamara is so assured on the ball. Rarely wastes it. Always thinks a move ahead.
Off the ball he's also great, reads it very well. He's that good I almost wonder what he's doing here. But hopefully the Emery project pulls the side closer to Kamara's level.
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Post by: Rigadon on January 13, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
He is on a par with Bellingham for me.  And we got him for nowt.  Outstanding talent. 
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Post by: Steve67 on January 13, 2023, 10:32:06 PM
Make him Captain.
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Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2023, 10:34:09 PM
Almost any other season he'd be comfortably the best signing in the league but that's a hard sell in a year when Haaland has been so good.
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Post by: gpbarr on January 13, 2023, 10:38:10 PM
He is just so silky and calm personified. We need to build around him
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Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2023, 10:39:15 PM
In years to come when we’re rocking up to the nou camp, and people laugh about Stevie G - we’ll all smile sagely and say - we’ll be did sign Kamara
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Post by: oldtimernow on January 13, 2023, 10:43:26 PM
He will rival God in the future 🤔
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Post by: Risso on January 13, 2023, 10:46:30 PM
It's scary to think how good he can become. We need to build the team around him, he's a brilliant player.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 13, 2023, 10:50:08 PM
Wonderful footballer. I agree with everybody who says the team needs to be built around him...
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Post by: trinityoap on January 13, 2023, 10:58:23 PM
The lad done good.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2023, 11:00:34 PM
He's alright I suppose
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Post by: SoccerHQ on January 13, 2023, 11:06:10 PM
Guy just has that touch of class dosen't he? Just so calm in possession and he hit some wonderful passes tonight.

We've missed this type of player since the Barry/Petrov years.
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Post by: OzVilla on January 13, 2023, 11:11:39 PM
He’s superb. Calm, quick feet, intelligent. Makes players alongside him (Luiz) better.
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Post by: KevinGage on January 13, 2023, 11:14:59 PM
He needs a partner in there next to him.  Someone more physical.  Kamara is a world class player and we need to build the side around him. Fantastic player, so very composed on the ball. Man of the match against Leeds.

Luiz is decent, but wouldn't object to better.

What he really needs is an outball (or two) out wide.
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Post by: Smirker on January 13, 2023, 11:17:12 PM
He'll be off like a shot at the first opportunity I think, if he can run his contract down at his boyhood club and leave on a free. So I'm not getting attached to him. Hope we can progress with him over the next year or two so we keep him for a while and get a good profit.
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Post by: AGRIPPA on January 13, 2023, 11:17:55 PM
Guy just has that touch of class dosen't he? Just so calm in possession and he hit some wonderful passes tonight.

We've missed this type of player since the Barry/Petrov years.

Personally I think from what I’ve seen his quality is head and shoulders above Petrov…..although everything is subjective….👍
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Post by: villa for life on January 13, 2023, 11:19:04 PM
Build the team around him and Martinez.
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Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2023, 11:36:39 PM
He'll be off like a shot at the first opportunity I think, if he can run his contract down at his boyhood club and leave on a free. So I'm not getting attached to him. Hope we can progress with him over the next year or two so we keep him for a while and get a good profit.

Please don't sell him off so quickly, we can't be having this conversation everytime a player puts together a string of decent performances.
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Post by: SaddVillan on January 14, 2023, 12:14:17 AM
Kamara's performance tonight MUST be the standard that the rest of the squad need to get to and, be the yardstick when looking at players that we're looking to bring in.
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Post by: London Villan on January 14, 2023, 12:17:45 AM
What a player!
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Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2023, 12:48:51 AM
Must admit I couldn't quite see what the fuss was in his first games and even soon after he came back from injury. But in recent games, his composure and reliability in keeping possession and winning it has been magnificent. He seems to be the only player we have who can look after the ball properly, consistently
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Post by: Olof's Beard on January 14, 2023, 01:23:19 AM
Must admit I couldn't quite see what the fuss was in his first games and even soon after he came back from injury. But in recent games, his composure and reliability in keeping possession and winning it has been magnificent. He seems to be the only player we have who can look after the ball properly, consistently

I thought he got overran a couple of times early season, Palace sticks in my mind. But our midfield was getting overwhelmed every week and he was new to the league. He is up to speed now and he will just keep getting better. Love him already.
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Post by: adrenachrome on January 14, 2023, 02:47:21 AM
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/1614070360969715712
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2023, 03:22:29 AM
The best compliment to pay him as you do with the very best in football other sports is that he appears to have more time than those around him. And it’s all down to first touch, movement with or without the ball, body positioning and peripheral vision to know what is around him. Some of those things can be taught, but most of it is pure instinct and intuition. He’s a lovely footballer to watch and admire.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 14, 2023, 03:44:20 AM
He'll be off like a shot at the first opportunity I think, if he can run his contract down at his boyhood club and leave on a free. So I'm not getting attached to him. Hope we can progress with him over the next year or two so we keep him for a while and get a good profit.

Please don't sell him off so quickly, we can't be having this conversation everytime a player puts together a string of decent performances.

We need to tie him down on life-time, billion dollar contract. Or we take his family as hostage. I'm OK either way.
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Post by: Villafirst on January 14, 2023, 05:43:42 AM
No doubt the 'big' clubs will soon be circling.......that was the best piece of business Gerrard did during his short tenure at Villa Park.....and on a free transfer is astounding!

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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2023, 05:48:41 AM
He’s at a big club.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 14, 2023, 05:48:56 AM
Just love watching him.
Outstanding.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 14, 2023, 07:11:30 AM
No doubt the 'big' clubs will soon be circling.......that was the best piece of business Gerrard did during his short tenure at Villa Park.....and on a free transfer is astounding!

I wouldn’t put too much faith in gerrard’s ‘best piece of business’. Being clueless he thought he was signing Chris!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2023, 07:37:45 AM
He’s just effortlessly brilliant.
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Post by: dave shelley on January 14, 2023, 09:22:17 AM
When carrying the ball on the run for Bailey's goal, he looked up, carried it further and without breaking stride played the perfect pass through for Bailey's brilliant strike.  That, to me is football at its best.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 14, 2023, 09:30:04 AM
Top class player. He’s the benchmark of what our recruitment needs to target.
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Post by: Risso on January 14, 2023, 09:45:52 AM
When carrying the ball on the run for Bailey's goal, he looked up, carried it further and without breaking stride played the perfect pass through for Bailey's brilliant strike.  That, to me is football at its best.

It was his first touch when he got the (excellent) pass from Young. Took it on the outside of his boot at pace and didn't break stride. Then in setting the goal up, the easy pass would have been to Digne on his left, but he pulled off the much more difficult pass to Bailey. I've watched the goal back about ten times!
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Post by: Bad English on January 14, 2023, 09:55:26 AM
When he went marauding up the pitch my Grenache rouge-sozzled eyes thought it was Watkins. I was amazed at his composure on the ball and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision. Then he passed it through a labyrinth of legs to Bailey and I realised it was Kamara.
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Post by: brian green on January 14, 2023, 10:04:17 AM
He is brilliantly talented.  He seems to be able to sum up the options on the ball with a single glance.  Lesser players in our squad need to turn through a full circle in possession of the ball and all fluidity of play is lost.
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Post by: Jimsta on January 14, 2023, 10:27:54 AM
Kamara yesterday was just a joy to watch. He just pure great talent very rarely give the ball away. Now all we need to do is get players in same quality around him and we will be going places.
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Post by: kipeye on January 14, 2023, 10:28:54 AM
He is brilliantly talented.  He seems to be able to sum up the options on the ball with a single glance.  Lesser players in our squad need to turn through a full circle in possession of the ball and all fluidity of play is lost.

I was critical of him a few matches ago for playing sideways and backwards, but how wrong I was. He reminds me of when Cowans (diff players obv) first played; he needed the team around him to catch up with how good he was. Kamara seems to be understanding the team around him now and they are responding to his skills.
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Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2023, 10:38:13 AM
His passing is sublime with both feet, floated, drilled, chipped, lobbed, like a top golfer with all the shots and the right selection.
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Post by: LukeJames on January 14, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
Also when he cleared a corner in injury time and he just lay there pissing himself laughing, what a bloke.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 14, 2023, 10:48:01 AM
…and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision.

Brilliantly put! 

I just watched the goal again and spotted this.  Moving at that pace whilst assessing the next pass really shows his class. Simple as it sounds, most players could do one, but not both.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on January 14, 2023, 11:12:08 AM
Also when he cleared a corner in injury time and he just lay there pissing himself laughing, what a bloke.
And took a boot to the face for his efforts.
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Post by: thick_mike on January 14, 2023, 11:12:57 AM
There was a moment at the end of the first half when he was playing out of defence under pressure and he just stopped with the ball and a Leeds player went sliding past. Totally sold him a dummy by doing apparently nothing. Total class!
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Post by: Risso on January 14, 2023, 11:21:25 AM
There was a moment at the end of the first half when he was playing out of defence under pressure and he just stopped with the ball and a Leeds player went sliding past. Totally sold him a dummy by doing apparently nothing. Total class!

He must have sold the Leeds players outrageous dummies 4 or 5 times last night. Love watching him.
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Post by: Chris Smith on January 14, 2023, 11:55:15 AM
He’s the complete midfielder, reads the game really well, strong in the tackle, good close control and the full range of passing and he makes it all look so easy.
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Post by: Dave on January 14, 2023, 12:04:27 PM
Also when he cleared a corner in injury time and he just lay there pissing himself laughing, what a bloke.

He looked to be laughing because he was trying to get up and about three other players were on top of him pushing him back and telling him to stay down a bit longer.
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Post by: brian green on January 14, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
He reminds me a lot of Danny Blanchflower. All so silky smooth and unhurried. Passes perfectly weighted.
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Post by: London Villan on January 14, 2023, 12:18:17 PM
I was thinking Paul McGrath, looks like he has all the time in the world on the ball, composed, assured and can step out of defence when needed.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 14, 2023, 12:19:40 PM
Effortless and magnificent.
What a player and an absolute joy to watch.
He was completely bypassed by Sky last night both during and after the game.
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Post by: OCD on January 14, 2023, 12:25:41 PM
He was completely bypassed by Sky last night both during and after the game.


That's not a bad thing, hope it stays that way.
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Post by: KevinGage on January 14, 2023, 12:33:57 PM
I was thinking Paul McGrath, looks like he has all the time in the world on the ball, composed, assured and can step out of defence when needed.

He could play centre half now (though it would be a waste of his gifts) and will prob end up there in the latter years of his career.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 14, 2023, 01:32:41 PM
When he went marauding up the pitch my Grenache rouge-sozzled eyes thought it was Watkins. I was amazed at his composure on the ball and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision. Then he passed it through a labyrinth of legs to Bailey and I realised it was Kamara.
He's certainly no Nigel Reo Coker
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Post by: algy on January 14, 2023, 02:50:48 PM
I was thinking Paul McGrath, looks like he has all the time in the world on the ball, composed, assured and can step out of defence when needed.

He could play centre half now (though it would be a waste of his gifts) and will prob end up there in the latter years of his career.
Didn't footy get castrated for suggesting something similar?

I agree though - brilliant player, and as you'd said at the tail end of his career could see him switching to being a central defender.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 14, 2023, 02:53:38 PM
He has already played there for Marseille. He can do it, its just a waste of his talents from midfield. And then we are searching for another world class CDM. Again.
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Post by: passport1 on January 14, 2023, 02:54:54 PM
Much the same as Gareth  Barry a player with maturity way beyond his years. They don't come along very often .
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2023, 11:27:37 PM
He’s going to be an absolute superstar. We’re going to have to kick on quick to match his probable ambitions. He’s exactly the player that Liverpool, in particular, are missing.
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Post by: Mellin on January 15, 2023, 01:41:05 AM
Bidding starts at 80m. Good luck.
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Post by: algy on January 15, 2023, 09:50:38 AM
He has already played there for Marseille. He can do it, its just a waste of his talents from midfield. And then we are searching for another world class CDM. Again.
I was thinking more when he hits his mid 30s, he's got the potential - a bit like Ashley Young did* - to switch roles & squeeze a few more seasons out of his career.


* I know Ash swapped in his late 20s
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Post by: Risso on January 15, 2023, 09:52:20 AM
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2023, 02:10:56 PM
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.

It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2023, 03:41:22 PM
If that’s a reference to me, I’m not not selling him, I hope he stays his whole career, my point was we’re going to have to be kicking on to keep hold of him. That’s just a reflection of how good he is.
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Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2023, 04:17:38 PM
He looks better every week. I like him a lot. He's ours, on a long term contract, and worth a lot of money.

It appears our ambitions will match his, and Emery and his team are the best set up we could have to take him on.
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Post by: Dave on January 15, 2023, 04:25:34 PM
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.

It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.

They're different situations though. If there were clubs who could afford £80m and were in desperate need of a goalkeeper, I'd be worried about losing Martinez. There aren't, so I'm not.

I reckon there are quite a few who could afford £80m for a shit-hot, 23 year old defensive midfielder. Particularly given Mac Allister, Bellingham and Fernandez will all be moving this summer, have about half a dozen clubs interested in them and the clubs that don't get them will still have the money and the need for a player in that position.

As Paul suggests, he's far too good to be hanging around a mid-table Premier League club so we need to make sure we stop being one of those pretty quickly.
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Post by: olaftab on January 15, 2023, 04:29:53 PM
When he went marauding up the pitch my Grenache rouge-sozzled eyes thought it was Watkins. I was amazed at his composure on the ball and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision. Then he passed it through a labyrinth of legs to Bailey and I realised it was Kamara.
He's certainly no Nigel Reo Coker
He's the Fortnum and Mason version of Reo Coker.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 15, 2023, 05:26:35 PM
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.

It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.

They're different situations though. If there were clubs who could afford £80m and were in desperate need of a goalkeeper, I'd be worried about losing Martinez. There aren't, so I'm not.

I reckon there are quite a few who could afford £80m for a shit-hot, 23 year old defensive midfielder. Particularly given Mac Allister, Bellingham and Fernandez will all be moving this summer, have about half a dozen clubs interested in them and the clubs that don't get them will still have the money and the need for a player in that position.

As Paul suggests, he's far too good to be hanging around a mid-table Premier League club so we need to make sure we stop being one of those pretty quickly.

Yep. We need to be adding similar standard all over the pitch to compliment him. Next season we have to be top 6.
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Post by: Rigadon on January 15, 2023, 05:47:52 PM
The truth is that even if we were to qualify for Europe this year (which we won't), if a really big club (I don't mean the likes of Spurs, more Real Madrid) wanted to sign him next summer all we could do would be to get as much money as possible.  Even if we were in the fucking 'champions' league, it'd be the same (see Bellingham).  If our Villa-mad-from-a-Villa-family-been-here-since-he-was-6-captain can fuck off to Manchester City, I don't hold any hope whatsoever about a French kid showing any remote loyalty if the chance arises, and I wouldn't blame him at all. 

From what I've seen, Kamara is world class.  We will do well to keep him here for another 18 months, if as i hope, he carries on being so utterly imperious. 

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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2023, 06:02:49 PM
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.

It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.

They're different situations though. If there were clubs who could afford £80m and were in desperate need of a goalkeeper, I'd be worried about losing Martinez. There aren't, so I'm not.

I reckon there are quite a few who could afford £80m for a shit-hot, 23 year old defensive midfielder. Particularly given Mac Allister, Bellingham and Fernandez will all be moving this summer, have about half a dozen clubs interested in them and the clubs that don't get them will still have the money and the need for a player in that position.

As Paul suggests, he's far too good to be hanging around a mid-table Premier League club so we need to make sure we stop being one of those pretty quickly.

Of course. Every player has a price. The greatest of all time have all been sold at one time or another. And it goes without saying that if we don’t build around our best they will leave. And we have experienced that many times over in the past 2 decades. So I think that is commonly accepted. It’s more a case that as soon as a player becomes great he’s being sold. Enjoy it and let’s hope as a club we do everything possible to retain his services. This isn’t Doug’s Villa so hopefully if he is sold we gouge the shit out of whoever buys him. I just hope we never cross that bridge
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Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2023, 06:25:50 PM
The truth is that even if we were to qualify for Europe this year (which we won't), if a really big club (I don't mean the likes of Spurs, more Real Madrid) wanted to sign him next summer all we could do would be to get as much money as possible.  Even if we were in the fucking 'champions' league, it'd be the same (see Bellingham).  If our Villa-mad-from-a-Villa-family-been-here-since-he-was-6-captain can fuck off to Manchester City, I don't hold any hope whatsoever about a French kid showing any remote loyalty if the chance arises, and I wouldn't blame him at all. 

From what I've seen, Kamara is world class.  We will do well to keep him here for another 18 months, if as i hope, he carries on being so utterly imperious. 

That's not even remotely the truth but part of the reason it happens so often is because of the sheer amount of people that believe that myth.

The only times where the club is in as weak a position as you're suggesting is if there's a release clause in the contract or when a player gets into the last 2 years of their deal. Even then in the latter case it doesn't mean the player is inevitably leaving and there's nothing we can do.

If what you're suggesting was true:
Benteke would've left after 1 season.
Barry would've signed for Liverpool a year before he actually left.
Luiz would be playing for Arsenal.
and a none Villa one Kane would be at Man City.

There's plenty more examples, and more of them come up every single transfer window but still everyone knows that all you can do once a player has his head turned is make as much money as possible. Have you ever stopped to think that the reason that is considered true is because the media is flooded with players from those clubs and it helps them maintain the status quo for everyone else to "know their place"?

If we want to challenge for trophies we're going to need to upset a few people over this shit.

More importantly, it's fucking annoying to see player threads full of the same "he'll be gone in a year" style comments everytime someone puts together a run of 5-6 good performances, I can understand the sentiment but if you're so worn down by football that you can't even be happy without expecting things to go to shit then maybe the sport isn't good for you.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2023, 06:35:13 PM
Guys! Look at us. Squabbling, bickering, like children.

What's happened to us? We never used to be like this.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 15, 2023, 06:38:00 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
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Post by: Dave on January 15, 2023, 06:41:49 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 15, 2023, 06:44:27 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.
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Post by: Dave on January 15, 2023, 06:52:57 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.

So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2023, 06:53:44 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?

Indeed - I would actually say the things are intrinsically linked. Those mentioned we’re going to need to kick on fast are saying for the exact reason that they want to continue enjoying watching him play for Villa.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2023, 06:54:32 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.

So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.


I miss him already 😳😀
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Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2023, 08:07:04 PM
If nothing else it's good for us to be in a place where we're worried about our players going rather than worrying about how we'll get rid of them.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 15, 2023, 08:51:39 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.

So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.

You're right he probably will.
All I'm saying is like everyone else I'm thoroughly enjoying  watching such a talent play for Aston Villa.
I don't see the point in worrying about transfers or agents etc just because he's the best thing I've seen at Villa for decades.
Can't do much about it if it happens. We all know that.


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Post by: astonvilla82 on January 15, 2023, 10:23:02 PM
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?

Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.

So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.

You're right he probably will.
All I'm saying is like everyone else I'm thoroughly enjoying  watching such a talent play for Aston Villa.
I don't see the point in worrying about transfers or agents etc just because he's the best thing I've seen at Villa for decades.
Can't do much about it if it happens. We all know that.
your right,we can leave that up to the owners
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Post by: Rigadon on January 16, 2023, 08:13:40 AM
The truth is that even if we were to qualify for Europe this year (which we won't), if a really big club (I don't mean the likes of Spurs, more Real Madrid) wanted to sign him next summer all we could do would be to get as much money as possible.  Even if we were in the fucking 'champions' league, it'd be the same (see Bellingham).  If our Villa-mad-from-a-Villa-family-been-here-since-he-was-6-captain can fuck off to Manchester City, I don't hold any hope whatsoever about a French kid showing any remote loyalty if the chance arises, and I wouldn't blame him at all. 

From what I've seen, Kamara is world class.  We will do well to keep him here for another 18 months, if as i hope, he carries on being so utterly imperious. 

That's not even remotely the truth but part of the reason it happens so often is because of the sheer amount of people that believe that myth.

The only times where the club is in as weak a position as you're suggesting is if there's a release clause in the contract or when a player gets into the last 2 years of their deal. Even then in the latter case it doesn't mean the player is inevitably leaving and there's nothing we can do.

If what you're suggesting was true:
Benteke would've left after 1 season.
Barry would've signed for Liverpool a year before he actually left.
Luiz would be playing for Arsenal.
and a none Villa one Kane would be at Man City.

There's plenty more examples, and more of them come up every single transfer window but still everyone knows that all you can do once a player has his head turned is make as much money as possible. Have you ever stopped to think that the reason that is considered true is because the media is flooded with players from those clubs and it helps them maintain the status quo for everyone else to "know their place"?

If we want to challenge for trophies we're going to need to upset a few people over this shit.

More importantly, it's fucking annoying to see player threads full of the same "he'll be gone in a year" style comments everytime someone puts together a run of 5-6 good performances, I can understand the sentiment but if you're so worn down by football that you can't even be happy without expecting things to go to shit then maybe the sport isn't good for you.

I am certainly enjoying watching him play - as I said, he's imperious.  I'm not 'worn down by football', nor 'expecting things to go to shit' any more than most, and suggesting people should stop watching football because they say something on the internet that you don't like is a bit off to be honest.  I'm happy enough so you needn't worry. 
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Post by: Hillbilly on January 16, 2023, 08:40:19 AM
We should retire his number now. Just in case like.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2023, 09:05:38 AM
Villa took the gamble on him by giving him a deal which was better than anything any other club was prepared to offer. For any interested party now to rekindle that interest they will have to meet our valuation and increase his wages by a considerable sum. Whoever that club might be is going to have to make a massive investment for a player who doesn’t score goals. We’ll have him for a few seasons, clubs will be taking notice and probably PSG will make the move.
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Post by: darren woolley on January 16, 2023, 09:10:52 AM
What a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.
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Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2023, 09:27:46 AM
Villa took the gamble on him by giving him a deal which was better than anything any other club was prepared to offer. For any interested party now to rekindle that interest they will have to meet our valuation and increase his wages by a considerable sum. Whoever that club might be is going to have to make a massive investment for a player who doesn’t score goals. We’ll have him for a few seasons, clubs will be taking notice and probably PSG will make the move.

I could see Citeh looking at that fat lump they bought from Leeds and thinking they may have made an error
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Post by: Dr Butler on January 16, 2023, 09:37:36 AM
What a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.

absolutely...a Rolls Royce of a player :)

UTV
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Post by: mrfuse on January 16, 2023, 09:55:51 AM
What a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.

absolutely...a Rolls Royce of a player :)

UTV
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Totally agree and although I'm quite happy for it to remain so, How pundits and co-commentators have not singled him out has amazed me.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 16, 2023, 09:59:43 AM
What a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.

absolutely...a Rolls Royce of a player :)

UTV
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Happy to keep it that way

Totally agree and although I'm quite happy for it to remain so, How pundits and co-commentators have not singled him out has amazed me.
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Post by: chrisw1 on January 16, 2023, 10:49:06 AM
Do you think if he was at Newcastle their fans would be worried about 'when' not 'if' he'll leave them?

I don't know why there seems to be this acceptance that Newcastle, who I think have made relatively modest changes to their squad, are now shoe in top 4 (in 14 months moving from certain relagation fodder) and Villa will be happy to be top half.  It's almost like because they have rich owners everyone will now roll over for them.  Yes Newcastle have spent fairly big money, partly because of the premium they were expected to pay because of their owners and to get the 'pioneering' players to start the process.  But if you look at their additions man for man they really haven't gone crazy.

If we want to be big we need to think big and act big - that's what Newcastle are doing.  Kamara has a long contract.  Yes, if we're still a bit shit in 3 years time we can start worrying about losing him.  Until then, we just need to fuck the fuckers and get on with building our own team.
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Post by: Dave on January 16, 2023, 10:53:53 AM
Do you think if he was at Newcastle their fans would be worried about 'when' not 'if' he'll leave them?

I don't know why there seems to be this acceptance that Newcastle, who I think have made relatively modest changes to their squad, are now shoe in top 4 (in 14 months moving from certain relagation fodder) and Villa will be happy to be top half.  It's almost like because they have rich owners everyone will now roll over for them.  Yes Newcastle have spent fairly big money, partly because of the premium they were expected to pay because of their owners and to get the 'pioneering' players to start the process.  But if you look at their additions man for man they really haven't gone crazy.

If we want to be big we need to think big and act big - that's what Newcastle are doing.  Kamara has a long contract.  Yes, if we're still a bit shit in 3 years time we can start worrying about losing him.  Until then, we just need to fuck the fuckers and get on with building our own team.

I imagine that the more level-headed amongst them know that if Real Madrid stick in a £100m bid for Guimarães then life is a bit more complicated than shrugging and pointing at how long is left on his contract.
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Post by: chrisw1 on January 16, 2023, 11:17:16 AM
Do you think if he was at Newcastle their fans would be worried about 'when' not 'if' he'll leave them?

I don't know why there seems to be this acceptance that Newcastle, who I think have made relatively modest changes to their squad, are now shoe in top 4 (in 14 months moving from certain relagation fodder) and Villa will be happy to be top half.  It's almost like because they have rich owners everyone will now roll over for them.  Yes Newcastle have spent fairly big money, partly because of the premium they were expected to pay because of their owners and to get the 'pioneering' players to start the process.  But if you look at their additions man for man they really haven't gone crazy.

If we want to be big we need to think big and act big - that's what Newcastle are doing.  Kamara has a long contract.  Yes, if we're still a bit shit in 3 years time we can start worrying about losing him.  Until then, we just need to fuck the fuckers and get on with building our own team.

I imagine that the more level-headed amongst them know that if Real Madrid stick in a £100m bid for Guimarães then life is a bit more complicated than shrugging and pointing at how long is left on his contract.
I don't know about that.  They'll finish top 4 this season.  I think they may be a bit more resiliant in transfers than you think.
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Post by: Monty on January 21, 2023, 05:11:03 PM
Must say I feel, quietly, similarly about Kamara to how I feel about Martinez. I'm just kind of amazed we have him, he's so obviously top boss.
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Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2023, 05:18:52 PM
How did he play today, then?
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Post by: Dave P on January 21, 2023, 05:20:37 PM
When a team presses us, he seems unpressable. When they don’t like Southampton, then he can just dominate. It’s like there is two of him.
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Post by: Beard82 on January 21, 2023, 05:40:26 PM
Must say I feel, quietly, similarly about Kamara to how I feel about Martinez. I'm just kind of amazed we have him, he's so obviously top boss.
Agree with this 100% - they are world class players - and we should enjoy them!  We may not always have them - but at least now we have a coach that gives us a chance of getting a few more players of there quality!
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Post by: pablo_picasso on January 21, 2023, 05:41:10 PM
Lets sell them & buy five Adam Armstrongs!  ;D
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 21, 2023, 05:54:30 PM
How did he play today, then?

For the first time since he’s joined a pass he made didn’t make its way to the right player. I was furious, needs to improve massively in this area.

He was great again of course and kept Ward-Prouse quiet all afternoon. 
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2023, 05:57:23 PM
In the first half he recieved a poor ball and was being closed down and he somehow improvised a 20 yard chip to Buendia.
Pure class.
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Post by: Vegas on January 21, 2023, 06:19:57 PM
He is the best sitting / defensive mid we’ve had in the premier league era. He enables our whole style to work, as we can pass out and he has the class to turn on the ball and then drive forward. He kept James ward Prowse out of the game for the most part. What a legend already.
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Post by: Mellin on January 21, 2023, 09:15:45 PM
Been so much noise about central midfield for, what, 3 years? Not heard a peep all season. The lad's pure class.
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Post by: Risso on January 21, 2023, 09:29:43 PM
Even when he has a quietish game, he's still comfortably our best outfield player.
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Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 21, 2023, 09:34:48 PM
Another quality display today, player of the season for me up to yet. So calm on the ball and has a vast array of passes in his arsenal. Great player
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Post by: tomd2103 on January 21, 2023, 10:40:50 PM
Yeah another good performance today.  He’s very comfortable in possession and seems to cover the ground very quickly as well.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on January 21, 2023, 10:59:09 PM
He's one of the pieces we need to complete our Champions League qualification sticker album.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2023, 11:05:00 PM
From my perspective it’s a testament to his ability that I get a sense of absolute calm when he’s on the ball. He just provides complete assurance, he’s top class.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2023, 11:16:05 PM
He just looks absolutely calm when on the ball, as if his heart rate doesn't exceed 70 or so at any point, like it's all dead easy.
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Post by: pelty on January 22, 2023, 12:32:00 AM
This player is such a joy to watch. He has single-handedly turned what had been one of our greatest weaknesses into one of our greatest strengths.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2023, 12:32:59 AM
This player is such a joy to watch. He has single-handedly turned what had been one of our greatest weaknesses into one of our greatest strengths.

He's exactly what we have needed for a very long time indeed.
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Post by: Villan For Life on January 22, 2023, 07:19:13 AM
What a wonderful player, we have to build the midfield around him. Imagine what he will be like with better players around him.

He has that asset that sets the best players apart from the rest, time. He has so much time when he’s got the ball at his feet and instinctively knows what to do with it. A joy to watch in a Villa shirt.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 22, 2023, 10:08:23 AM
The midfield equivalent of Paul McGrath.
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Post by: mrfuse on January 22, 2023, 10:47:57 AM
Not only is Kamara a joy to watch on the ball he shields the defence perfectly. I'm not sure how he does it but he also seems to be in the right position without it looking like hes made an effort to do so.
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Post by: OCD on January 22, 2023, 02:36:07 PM
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!
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Post by: ventnorVillain on January 22, 2023, 02:49:50 PM
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!
Good. That's better than them raving about him and we're not having to put up with some muppet suggesting that if he wants to get back in the French team he needs to move to either Manchester club, Chelsea, Spurzz or 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
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Post by: Mellin on January 22, 2023, 03:34:18 PM
Haha exactly. Keep him off the radar until the summer, sign a couple of quality attackers and pull the entire division's pants down on the QT. Job done.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2023, 07:48:30 PM
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!

This’ll sound snobby, but so be it. He’s the type of footballer that people who don’t fully understand the game won’t see the fuss about. He’s effortlessly brilliant and not showy at all.
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Post by: Smithy on January 22, 2023, 08:50:45 PM
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!

This’ll sound snobby, but so be it. He’s the type of footballer that people who don’t fully understand the game won’t see the fuss about. He’s effortlessly brilliant and not showy at all.

It's not snobby. It's the reality of the type of role he plays. It's true of a lot of top quality DMs. If you're good at nipping in, winning the ball and moving it on quickly (and forwards) it's never going "look" like you're having a 9/10 day. It will look more like the players you're robbing are having a bad day. 

The irony is, if a DM makes a few successful or spectacular last ditch tackles because he was caught out of position a few times, then it can "look" like he's had a better game than when you don't notice him at all.  I think he's been brilliant, and long may it continue.
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Post by: OCD on January 22, 2023, 08:56:51 PM
He's the type of player where your record with him, compared to your record without him will tell you all you need to know.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2023, 09:14:19 PM
He's the type of player where your record with him, compared to your record without him will tell you all you need to know.

I doubt Arsenal would’ve been continually on Man Us back four if Casimero was playing.  It takes time for those sort of payers to get recognised, which is a good thing for us.
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Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2023, 03:26:16 PM
From SkySports

Why Aston Villa's Boubacar Kamara is one of the signings of the season and Unai Emery can now build around him

Aston Villa midfielder Boubacar Kamara is emerging as one of the signings of the season; Adam Bate looks at how and why the club made him their top target in the summer and speaks exclusively to Villa head coach Unai Emery about the player's potential


Adam Bate
Comment and Analysis @ghostgoal

Tuesday 24 January 2023 13:30, UK

Boubacar Kamara at Aston Villa

Summer signing Boubacar Kamara is flourishing under Unai Emery at Aston Villa
Three wins from four Premier League games since the turn of the year reflects the impact of Unai Emery at Aston Villa but the club’s improved form has also been aided by the return to full fitness of Boubacar Kamara. He is one of the signings of the season.

A free transfer arrival from Marseille in the summer, the 23-year-old midfielder has already become a popular figure at Villa Park thanks to his determined defensive work in the centre of the pitch and his astute use of the ball. He brings quality and control.

Speaking to Emery at the club's training ground, the always animated head coach is particularly enthusiastic when the name of Kamara comes up. It is apparent that the France international is going to be central to his plans for the future of the club.

"He has big potential," Emery tells Sky Sports.

"Very big potential. He is playing well and is so focused on improving his game, improving his capacity with and without the ball. He has been developing, in France and here. Now it is my responsibility to develop him even more than he has done so far."

Emery is a renowned student of the game whose knowledge has been described as encyclopedic but he admits that he had to do some additional work to find out more about Kamara's game. "I had to increase my information about him," he explains.

"I have information from different people who have worked with him before when he was at Marseille. I spoke with [former Marseille sporting director] Andoni Zubizarreta. I read [former coach] Jorge Sampaoli speaking about him. Now we know him here as well."

Emery did his own research but behind the scenes at Villa, that work had long been done. Inside the club, the signing is regarded as an example of how a successful and aligned recruitment process goes. Good planning allowed them to get the jump on other clubs.

Atletico Madrid were interested but Villa had the deal agreed by May. The previous month, then head coach Steven Gerrard, sporting director Johan Lange and chief executive Christian Purslow had flown out to watch him together in Marseille's win over Nantes.

The process began as long ago as the summer of 2021 when Dean Smith was still in charge. Villa had just finished 11th in the Premier League but there was a feeling that the absence of an elite-level holding midfield within the squad was a potential issue.

When Gerrard arrived later that year, he soon reached the same conclusion about the squad and the position was marked as a priority. Rodrigo Bentancur is believed to have been considered only for the Uruguayan to sign for Tottenham in January 2022.


The shortlist had also included Kalvin Phillips at one stage but it was Kamara who quickly became the preferred option. Villa were swayed by the fact that he was younger than the alternatives - and cheaper too with his contract expiring.

Head of recruitment Rob Mackenzie and his team had identified Kamara's stand-out profile within the European market, ensuring that they were regular attendees at the Stade Velodrome in the months prior to recommending him.

Lange was convinced and brought him to the attention of Gerrard, who also became active in the pursuit. Additional factors included the number of games clocked up by a then 22-year-old player, 162 of them for Marseille. He even had a leadership role in the group.

But what is really unusual about Kamara is his blend of traits.

His ball-winning abilities put him in a bracket with a certain type of midfielder - the tough tacklers and the interceptors, those able to break up play for their team. Precisely the sort of qualities that Villa knew that they needed to add to their squad.

But the case for Kamara was bolstered by the fact that he has more to his game than that. Analysis of his ball-retention statistics showed that there were also similarities with a very different type of midfielder, those who could not match his combative qualities.

At Marseille last season, he ranked among the top players in France for 50-50 duels won and possessions won in the middle third, but he was also up there for passes completed in the opposition half and even through-balls. Nobody was better than him at both.

Now Villa supporters are seeing that too.

There was a moment in first-half stoppage-time of Villa's most recent home game against Leeds when the crowd yelled to warn Kamara about the opponent hurtling towards him on his blind side as he prepared to collect the ball on the edge of his own penalty box.

They need not have worried.

With a drop of the shoulder, he glided away.

That ability to take the ball in tight areas and play through the thirds makes Kamara unusually complete and means he is comfortable in a two-man midfield. Indeed, his presence has allowed Douglas Luiz greater freedom and he is benefiting as a result.

For Emery, their all-round talent gives him tactical flexibility. "We have two very good midfielders. They are players who can play at different heights. So we can maintain these two midfielders in the centre but we can maybe defend higher or deeper."

Villa have been beaten only twice in the Premier League when the two men have started together - and one of those was lost after the partnership was broken up by a late substitution. The run of results that saw Gerrard sacked came with Kamara injured.

The player has returned from that knee problem even stronger, using the time out to add even more physicality to his game, readying himself for the challenge of the Premier League. It has allowed him to take another step forward in his game under Emery.

Boubacar Kamara played a key role in Aston Villa's opening goal against Leeds
He has been pivotal of late, perhaps the outstanding player on the pitch against Leeds. There was defensive work to do in that game but Kamara also provided the assist for Leon Bailey's opening goal with a driving run as Villa capitalised on the counter-attack.

Against Southampton, it was his forward pass that helped to set up the double chance for Bailey and Jacob Ramsey in the first half. He also won the free-kick from which Douglas Luiz crossed for Ollie Watkins to win the game late on. Another impressive performance.

And Kamara is just getting started. It is telling that scouts from rival clubs are already following his progress closely but Aston Villa have no need to sell. The hope is that Emery can now build around the brilliant Boubacar Kamara, one of the signings of the season.
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Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2023, 03:27:04 PM
Article here (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12793800/why-aston-villas-boubacar-kamara-is-one-of-the-signings-of-the-season-and-unai-emery-can-now-build-around-him)
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Post by: Dave on January 25, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Adam Bate needs to quieten down. Kamara's overrated and will never amount to anything.

Absolutely no reason for any scouts from any other teams to come and watch him. Ever. Just ignore him.
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Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2023, 03:37:50 PM
Yeah, he's clumsy, he's always got his head down, no weight of pass and he's slow. Oh, and he can't tackle either. Boo, crap. He'll never amount to anything.
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Post by: passport1 on January 25, 2023, 03:38:53 PM
Good summary  of a special talent. Oh and yes I really feel  he is rubbish.
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Post by: Beard82 on January 25, 2023, 03:45:28 PM
he eats all the creams out of the christmas chocolates and leaves his teammates just the toffee ones - bad egg, no team should want him
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2023, 03:46:29 PM
yes good account , now lets bury this thread
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Post by: Risso on January 25, 2023, 03:56:58 PM
Mouth, Drummond. Snitches get stitches.
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Post by: Scratchins on January 25, 2023, 04:05:10 PM
I wouldn't give you tuppence for him.
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Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2023, 04:16:07 PM
I was merely the messenger
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 25, 2023, 04:45:34 PM
He's cack.
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Post by: Beard82 on January 25, 2023, 05:37:36 PM
Nakamba is the real talent - so lets all make sure we keep quite about his 25m release clause...
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Post by: Villan For Life on January 25, 2023, 05:56:40 PM
Injury prone donkey leading a cart horse. We’ve got slippy to thank for saddling us with yet another overpriced, underperforming prima Donna.
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Post by: not3bad on January 25, 2023, 06:21:45 PM
We pick this guy so nobody else has to. Why does Emery persist with him? I suppose he'll be in the team again next match and we'll have to endure it.
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Post by: Steve67 on January 25, 2023, 07:18:44 PM
Who, Babooska Kamaramarama? Pants. Move on!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2023, 07:40:18 PM
He'll never be Sid Cowans, far too tall the lanky giraffe.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 10:29:50 AM
Lets be closely watching how he does today as Kamara appears to be having some struggles

Observations show that he has played below average lately and has committed errors that resulted in goals. I believe he needs to rediscover his concentration.
He is constantly learning and improving as a player.
I hope he is enjoying Emery's briefings, but it's possible he isn't paying attention to everything due to his errors. And Watkins saud he didn't want to point fingers but we all know who he was alluding to for the corner goal
Vs Man City for Kamara lost his Rhodri.

Is it possible, theoretically, that he misses his French companions Sanson and Guilbert? Even though something isn't quite clicking, persevering with him in the team today can only see that he's understanding Emerys instructions

I'll be scrutineering performance to see if he has learnt.
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Post by: Drummond on February 20, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Maybe he needs to learn Spanish.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on February 20, 2023, 11:16:03 AM
Maybe he needs to learn Spanish.

Haha!
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Post by: brontebilly on February 20, 2023, 09:59:15 PM
Edge of our box needs to be protected a lot better...
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2023, 11:22:01 PM
If we can add Guendouzi and Lo Celso in the summer be great for midfield
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 06:08:22 PM
Out for a few weeks.

https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1632075212408737793?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
"could be". I listened to the Unai interview that's from and he said until the doctors look at it, they don't know what the injury is or how serious. The reporter kept asking if it could be a few weeks so in the end Unai said that quote, after repeatedly saying he didn't know.
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Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2023, 06:17:39 PM
I hope we don’t move McGinn inside with Luiz.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 06:20:12 PM
Just shit that we have likely lost Kamara for a bit after having lost Coutinho very recently.
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Post by: Ger Regan on March 04, 2023, 06:20:24 PM
I hope we don’t move McGinn inside with Luiz.
Precious few options as it stands, though. Is dendonker out for long?
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Post by: Villafirst on March 04, 2023, 06:27:32 PM
Too many players bombed out on loan has left us short of options. Ridiculous to let Nakamba go. Hopefully Kamara is ok soon.
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2023, 06:32:54 PM
I hope we don’t move McGinn inside with Luiz.
Precious few options as it stands, though. Is dendonker out for long?
Unknown "personal reasons" wasn't it?
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Post by: villadelph on March 04, 2023, 06:46:07 PM
At least we have some “winnable” matches coming up.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2023, 06:46:13 PM
Out for a few weeks.

Not great news but we've got 2 games in the next month, one of which is Bournemouth at home. I'd settle for him being back for the Chelsea game.
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Post by: OCD on March 04, 2023, 06:48:56 PM
He got back very quickly last time he was injured.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2023, 06:49:57 PM
Need the Donk back..Chambers or moving McGinn are far from ideal.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2023, 07:02:00 PM
Out for a few weeks.

Not great news but we've got 2 games in the next month, one of which is Bournemouth at home. I'd settle for him being back for the Chelsea game.

It isn't news - they don't know yet.

Fingers crossed.
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Post by: FrankyH on March 04, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
If the ref had done his job and booked a Palace player 20 minutes earlier ,I don't think Kamara would have got injured. Hindsight is a wonderful thing , but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace  were cynically fowling us .
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2023, 07:39:19 PM
but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace  were cynically fowling us .

He was too chicken to book them.
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2023, 07:48:57 PM
but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace  were cynically fowling us .

He was too chicken to book them.
To be fair once Doucoure got booked his goose was cooked.
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Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 09:01:14 PM
Good thing we only have league games remaining. Squad becoming seriously stretched.
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Post by: Tayls_7 on March 04, 2023, 09:08:37 PM
but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace  were cynically fowling us .

He was too chicken to book them.
To be fair once Doucoure got booked his goose was cooked.

They accrued four yellows and a red which seems a poultry figure.
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Post by: Somniloquism on March 04, 2023, 09:10:33 PM
If the ref had done his job and booked a Palace player 20 minutes earlier ,I don't think Kamara would have got injured. Hindsight is a wonderful thing , but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace  were cynically fowling us .

Being as the exact same player committed a bookable and bad foul on Chambers five mins after injuring Kamara, I don't think an earlier booking would have helped.
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Post by: lovejoy on March 04, 2023, 09:11:49 PM
The ref ducked the big decisions.
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Post by: Risso on March 04, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Just something that struck me as he came off. As he left the pitch he was between two of the Villa staff, and didn't put any weight on the injured leg. As he was going down the touchline he was walking gingerly on it. Should this be happening? If there's any chance of it being a nasty one, shouldn't he be helped off in case he damages it further?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 11:11:25 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1632119216269606912?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

This is encouraging. I think. Better than the prayer emoji thingy.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2023, 11:18:32 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1632119216269606912?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

This is encouraging. I think. Better than the prayer emoji thingy.

I don't get it, how is that encouraging?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 11:21:04 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1632119216269606912?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

This is encouraging. I think. Better than the prayer emoji thingy.

I don't get it, how is that encouraging?

The back soon bit at the top
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2023, 11:25:54 PM
Seems hopeful rather than encouraging to me. Hope I’m wrong.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2023, 11:40:12 PM
Seems hopeful rather than encouraging to me. Hope I’m wrong.

Maybe. I assume the official Twitter would be careful with their messaging. So obviously hopeful on the side of optimistic that it’s only a couple of weeks
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Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2023, 11:41:23 PM
Yes,  we hope it isn't just hopeful.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 01:18:27 AM
Didn’t they do similar for Carlos at the start of the season?
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Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 01:39:12 AM
I said at the time that it looked season ending to me. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: Goldenballs on March 05, 2023, 07:33:46 AM
It looked really nasty, ankles don't bend that way and he knew straight away he was in trouble.
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Post by: MattW on March 05, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
Hmmm.
Quote
And lastly to the only real blot on proceedings and Boubacar Kamara’s injury sounds a bad one. The Frenchman is due to have a scan today (Sunday) to reveal the full diagnosis. Kamara knew he was in big trouble as Cheick Doucore recklessly jumped in, with the Villa man immediately signalling to the physios.

“It’s the joint between the two bones in the leg. It’s not a clear diagnosis. We will have the assessment tomorrow. It’s not the ankle or the Achilles,” was the briefing reporters got in the press room on Saturday.

Early indications show the issue could well be what’s called syndesmosis, which is defined as: ‘A fibrous joint held together by ligaments. It's located near the ankle joint, between the tibia, or shinbone, and the distal fibula, or outside leg bone

According to health experts, syndesmosis sprains typically require between six and eight weeks for recovery but this is, of course, variable and only based on educated guesses at this stage.’

Source:
.https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-talking-points-kamara-26391999.
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Post by: rob_bridge on March 05, 2023, 08:54:46 AM
I'd say he'll miss at least 8 games.

Relatively small squad so see if others step up to the mark. Big shoes to fill.
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Post by: ROBBO on March 05, 2023, 09:13:14 AM
He's the most talented player in the squad, will be greatly missed.
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Post by: john2710 on March 05, 2023, 09:24:33 AM
If it's ligaments or a fracture of some sort it'll be a minimum of 6-8 weeks. We'll be lucky to see him in mid May, hope I'm wrong but he'll be missed whatever the timescale.

The ref was far too lenient until it was too late.
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Post by: CT on March 05, 2023, 09:39:53 AM
Cheick Doucore should be suspended as long as Kamara is out injured. Dirty ****.
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Post by: garyellis on March 05, 2023, 09:54:57 AM
It’s bound to be a huge miss if it it is an extended period of time.
For me he is our best player by some margin
But we can’t let our performances and results be derailed by an injury to one player, we have been here before.
I am sure Emery will find a way to patch us up and at the same time consider future options.
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Post by: dave shelley on March 05, 2023, 10:02:51 AM
The challenge on Chambers was a straight red imo.
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Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2023, 10:03:59 AM
I watched it back again this morning. He should have gone for that first one alone, shocking challenge.
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Post by: PeterWithe on March 05, 2023, 10:11:38 AM
I thought that up to that point, the ref had let the game flow quite well, yes he was a little lenient but if there were to be cards, they would have been for persistent fouling rather than for any bad tackles for either side.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2023, 11:08:43 AM
I thought that up to that point, the ref had let the game flow quite well, yes he was a little lenient but if there were to be cards, they would have been for persistent fouling rather than for any bad tackles for either side.
The problem was they were getting away with increasingly poor challenges and because the ref let them go it was almost inevitable that they would keep pushing the margin.
Anyone who has watched Palace play knows that they are about.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 11:29:45 AM
This shows just what a poor January we had in terms of transfers, we’re now faced with the prospect of giving Dendoncker an extended run.
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Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2023, 11:34:07 AM
This shows just what a poor January we had in terms of transfers, we’re now faced with the prospect of giving Dendoncker an extended run.

Not really in this case I think,  an experienced current Belgian international as a replacement is fair enough, I can't think of too many clubs that have better options. Spurs for example are currently playing that Oliver Skipp in midfield and he's shite
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Post by: Goldenballs on March 05, 2023, 11:42:30 AM
How's Nakamba getting on, could we recall him? He's not great but I'd rather him on the bench than 6 keepers.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 11:42:59 AM
We couldn’t even name a full bench though and had two sub keepers again.
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Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2023, 11:56:12 AM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 05, 2023, 11:56:26 AM
How's Nakamba getting on, could we recall him? He's not great but I'd rather him on the bench than 6 keepers.

Emery didn't even put him on the bench before he left. It's a good opportunity for the Donk to show his worth. I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as made out on here.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2023, 12:14:18 PM
This shows just what a poor January we had in terms of transfers, we’re now faced with the prospect of giving Dendoncker an extended run.

Two of our best footballing footballing performances of the season came with Donk at the base of midfield (Brentford and Man. United at home).

I get he isn't UE's type of midfielder and he's been on the naughty step since the Stevenage debacle but if he's fit he needs to be starting v West Ham as his physicality would be a great help to end the horror run we have v them.

Chambers seemingly has lost all ability to pass a football this season, some shocking ones in his cameo yesterday so Kamara to him as DM for 5-6 games is season over imo. Dendoncker-Luiz feels more solid as long as one of the attacking players stays in form.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 12:17:16 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
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Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2023, 12:28:23 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.

I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 12:35:48 PM
I'd heard that too Clampy. It strikes me as the thing a reasonable bloke like Emery would say, when behind the seasons I reckon he's giving Purslow a right rocket up his arse. He doesn't look like he takes any prisoners, despite the endearing persona.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2023, 12:44:08 PM
Not really in this case I think,  an experienced current Belgian international as a replacement is fair enough, I can't think of too many clubs that have better options. Spurs for example are currently playing that Oliver Skipp in midfield and he's shite

Oliver Skipp - who is he? Exaaactly!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2023, 12:47:07 PM
Skipp isn’t great but he did score a cracker the other day vs Chelsea
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Post by: Villafirst on March 05, 2023, 01:53:40 PM
I still feel the squad is far too light in numbers. One injury to Kamara and we're almost scratching around to replace him. Just imagine if Watkins gets an injury! It's telling that we have so many goalkeepers on the bench. There's an outside chance of Europe, but I feel we haven't got enough depth in the squad should any injuries occur.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 05, 2023, 02:12:58 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.

I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.

Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills.  I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2023, 02:22:29 PM
Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills.  I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.

The coach saves more shots than Olsen so it demoralises the players pre-match.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2023, 02:23:13 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.

I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.

Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills.  I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.

As I said elsewhere, that's the worst excuse I've ever heard. He wasn't doing it before we had the clear out of Ings and Archer etc in January, and what on earth would the third keeper (who doesn't need to be in the squad to do drills anyway) be doing?
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Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 05:13:36 PM
Skipp isn’t great but he did score a cracker the other day vs Chelsea

And was impressively articulate (for a footballer) afterwards on MOTD2 when interviewed.
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Post by: DeKuip on March 05, 2023, 06:11:02 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.

Sitting on a bench for an hour and half in the cold is all part of a goalkeeper’s training as it’s what a lot of them spend half their career doing. It’s like at police college where students have to stand around all afternoon watching people walk past.
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Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2023, 06:23:07 PM
Tsk. And people think accountants have boring jobs.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on March 05, 2023, 08:53:22 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.

I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.

Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills.  I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.


But why not have the third keeper helping with that , and not have him as a named sub? I don’t think there’s a rule that only subs can be on the pitch in the warm up  ?

( I know it’s not your opinion , just repeating what the manager has said btw)
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Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2023, 09:28:58 PM
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.

And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.

I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.

Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills.  I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.


But why not have the third keeper helping with that , and not have him as a named sub? I don’t think there’s a rule that only subs can be on the pitch in the warm up  ?

( I know it’s not your opinion , just repeating what the manager has said btw)

Because the 3rd keeper will be there anyway and will be involved with all the build up, if for no other reason than to step up to the bench if either of the others pick up a late knock, etc. For them being the 3rd keeper comes with no expectations, they're highly unlikely to get on the pitch and they're well aware that may be the case for years. There are plenty of goalkeepers who've retired having been at big clubs their entire career and having never played more than a handful of games per season, it comes with the job.

Put a young outfield player on the bench and they might think a debut is inevitable because it's easy to give them 5-10minutes at the end so you create expectations. For them a place on the bench is much more of a reward to be earned rather than just part of their development. Young is almost certainly a bit upset that he's been on the bench but never had a debut, it would be perfectly natural for him to feel like he's missed a chance and that creates a situation for the coaches to deal with. He comes across as a good kid and I'm sure they were always honest with him but I can see why Emery is going the way he is. I might not dso the same but I think his reasoning makes sense and I don't get the impression that it's a dig at the board or any other conspiracy silliness.
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Post by: Astnor on March 06, 2023, 06:02:12 PM
Out for at least a month according to The Athletic.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 06, 2023, 06:09:02 PM
Hopefully back for the Forest game. Only 2 games this month. Shit considering how excellent he is to have missed this much time in his first season.
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Post by: villadelph on March 06, 2023, 06:18:40 PM
Out for at least a month according to The Athletic.

Hopefully that means its just a bad sprain.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on March 06, 2023, 06:30:28 PM
That position I suppose makes you exposed to tough tackles and clattering.

Shame has been a top player for us. Do we know why the Donk was missing on Sat?
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Post by: astonvilla82 on March 06, 2023, 06:41:27 PM
That position I suppose makes you exposed to tough tackles and clattering.

Shame has been a top player for us. Do we know why the Donk was missing on Sat?
I have seen it on twitter and it's absolutely horrendous tackle
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2023, 06:44:30 PM
There's tough tackles and absolute wanker tackles, that fell into the latter category.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2023, 06:50:44 PM
There's tough tackles and absolute wanker tackles, that fell into the latter category.
He did him,  took out our best player, it was deliberate.
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Post by: Clampy on March 06, 2023, 06:58:36 PM
Absoutley hopeless reffing and I see VAR didn't even bother to get him to look at upgrading it to a red.
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Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2023, 08:08:04 PM
Both his yellows could have been straight reds.

The one on Kamara is just filthy, every bit as bad as a scissor tackle because you're inevitably going straight through his standing leg making it reckless and off his feet so excessive force.

The one on Chambers was high, late and petty, it's up there with the most ridiculous things I've ever seen from someone on a yellow card, probably not quite enough for excessive force to apply but I'd apply a stupidity tax to it.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 06, 2023, 08:24:07 PM
He'd taken out Buendia not long before, too. And not for the first time, I think.
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Post by: Villafirst on March 06, 2023, 09:01:55 PM
So, it looks like a month out for Bouba according to Gregg Evans. Likely to miss 5 of the remaining 13 games. So annoying with that horrendous 'tackle'.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 06, 2023, 09:04:33 PM
The Palace player, and their midfield in general, hardly got a kick in the first half and I expect Vieira laid into them at half time to get stuck in. The one on Kamara was a very bad tackle but refs tend to only give yellows for them. The one on Chambers was high and late and should have been a straight red. No excuse for being that high, ref took easy option with second yellow.

Chambers passing was awful when he came on, against 10 men too. So I do hope the Donk is back for West Ham. Kamara would be a lot more comfortable taking the ball on the half turn so I do think Luiz is going to have to play deeper without Kamara to get us playing through the lines.
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Post by: stevo_st on March 09, 2023, 06:48:27 PM
Presume he’s crocked for a bit, gutted got tickets for the Bournemouth game and was really looking forward to seeing him play for the first time
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Post by: Scovilla on March 09, 2023, 07:17:07 PM
So, it looks like a month out for Bouba according to Gregg Evans. Likely to miss 5 of the remaining 13 games. So annoying with that horrendous 'tackle'.
Oh really bad news...
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Post by: devilla on March 09, 2023, 07:56:49 PM
Presume he’s crocked for a bit, gutted got tickets for the Bournemouth game and was really looking forward to seeing him play for the first time

Same here.
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Post by: Baldy on March 10, 2023, 05:59:41 PM
Just watched the Unai press conference for Hammers match.

Kamara definitely out for this match but Unai gave impression injury not as bad as many of us had feared and he will be monitored closely for following match.

Fingers crossed.
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Post by: CT on March 10, 2023, 06:52:03 PM
Just watched the Unai press conference for Hammers match.

Kamara definitely out for this match but Unai gave impression injury not as bad as many of us had feared and he will be monitored closely for following match.

Fingers crossed.

It definitely sounded promising, almost as if he might be back training next week?
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Post by: OCD on March 10, 2023, 07:45:47 PM
It was probably just an ankle sprain. It's been made out to sound like ligament damage.
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Post by: Villafirst on March 30, 2023, 04:29:55 PM
Bouba fit and back in contention which is great news! He certainly seems to be a quick healer from injuries.
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Post by: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 04:39:00 PM
The Boob is back  8)

Booby Kam  8)
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2023, 07:25:37 PM
Bouba fit and back in contention which is great news! He certainly seems to be a quick healer from injuries.

That will be because he's super-human.
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Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2023, 06:21:57 PM
I tell you what whilst people may think he didn't do as well as he might on Saturday, he was returning from injury and fasting for Ramadan too. Quite a physical toll I'd imagine.

I wonder how he'll be tonight; the fast is due to end around kick off time.
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Post by: olaftab on April 04, 2023, 06:47:36 PM
Fast will break at 19:53 in Leicester. I wish him good luck.
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Post by: Bobby Boy on April 04, 2023, 06:50:33 PM
He's not in the squad tonight!
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 04, 2023, 06:50:33 PM
Out
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Post by: olaftab on April 04, 2023, 06:51:02 PM
But he is neither starting not on the bench.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 04, 2023, 06:57:20 PM
Hopefully not a setback and just a precaution.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2023, 07:17:19 PM
Hopefully not a setback and just a precaution.

Resting him for the Champs League '6 pointer' against the Barcodes.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 05, 2023, 08:16:49 AM
Any update on Bouba? We really need him for the run in....
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Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 08:18:37 AM
Any update on Bouba? We really need him for the run in....

He was brought back too quickly last week by the look of things.
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Post by: London Villan on April 05, 2023, 08:57:36 AM
More that he got injured in the first 5 mins of the Chelsea game and hobbled through the first half.
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Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 11:12:23 AM
I'm sure Cash, Kamara and Coutinho will have been happy for their teammates last night but they must be desperate to play a part.
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Post by: London Villan on April 05, 2023, 11:20:48 AM
Add Carlos to that list and it's four, of what should be our starting 11, currently out.
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Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 11:23:23 AM
Add Carlos to that list and it's four, of what should be our starting 11, currently out.

So that XI would be:

Martinez; Cash, Carlos, Mings, Moreno; McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Coutinho; Buendia, Watkins?

Works for me, but very harsh on Ramsey who's shown more form than Phil this season (though admittedly his top stuff hasn't shown as much talent as Phil's - but then, you could say the same of Bert after yesterday!).
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Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 11:32:01 AM
Emery's affecting games with very limited bench options. When we go from 11/12 really good players to 15/16 really good players then we can cover for injuries but he'll also have better tools to affect games with and select players/tactics for specific game plans.
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Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 11:36:54 AM
Big truth.
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Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 11:40:13 AM
Emery's affecting games with very limited bench options. When we go from 11/12 really good players to 15/16 really good players then we can cover for injuries but he'll also have better tools to affect games with and select players/tactics for specific game plans.

I was thinking this last night. I said to my Leicester mate "we've got nobody to come on and change a game." Two minutes later, Bert curls in a beaut for the winner. I know nothing.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 05, 2023, 11:42:16 AM
Add Carlos to that list and it's four, of what should be our starting 11, currently out.

So that XI would be:

Martinez; Cash, Carlos, Mings, Moreno; McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Coutinho; Buendia, Watkins?

Works for me, but very harsh on Ramsey who's shown more form than Phil this season (though admittedly his top stuff hasn't shown as much talent as Phil's - but then, you could say the same of Bert after yesterday!).

I think i'd swap Buendia for Ramsey and that would be my preferred 11 currently with everyone fit. Ramsey has a bit more muscle and Coutinho should be providing the guile anyway.
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Post by: Drummond on April 05, 2023, 11:43:00 AM
Emery's affecting games with very limited bench options. When we go from 11/12 really good players to 15/16 really good players then we can cover for injuries but he'll also have better tools to affect games with and select players/tactics for specific game plans.

I was thinking this last night. I said to my Leicester mate "we've got nobody to come on and change a game." Two minutes later, Bert curls in a beaut for the winner. I know nothing.

And now I've quoted it, you can't take it back!  ;D
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Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 11:43:39 AM
We'll need to go from having a team to having a squad too to allow for the additional games we could be playing. Quite often decent teams come unstuck when they start to go to playing Saturday/Thursday/Sunday. Integrating some of our kids that have been doing well in the Championship can help with numbers without having to sign quite few players who have never played together and have to win over the fans.
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Post by: Monty on April 05, 2023, 11:46:51 AM
Indeed, especially if we're in Europe. It all feels a little strange having Digne on the bench until the 80th minute every week; it won't feel so strange if we have an extra game in Zagreb on a Thursday.
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Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
I can't see Digne being here next season.
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Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2023, 11:50:38 AM
I can't see Digne being here next season.

I can - only because no other club will pay him even half of what we do.
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Post by: danno on April 05, 2023, 12:05:12 PM
I can't see Digne being here next season.

I can - only because no other club will pay him even half of what we do.

Considering how Dyche plays he’d actually be perfect for Everton.
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Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 12:07:11 PM
If we qualify for Europe, we'll need him. Even if we don't, an injury to Moreno and we've got nobody else at all who can play there. Well I suppose Young can at a push, but I wouldn't want that to happen really.
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Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2023, 12:10:03 PM
If we qualify for Europe, we'll need him. Even if we don't, an injury to Moreno and we've got nobody else at all who can play there. Well I suppose Young can at a push, but I wouldn't want that to happen really.

In an ideal world we'd have some 22-23 year old snapping at Moreno's heels next season rather than Digne
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Post by: OCD on April 05, 2023, 12:26:57 PM
Ben Chrisene maybe?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2023, 12:39:31 PM
Especially at fullback, given the responsibilities of the job these days, I don't want one incumbent and another attempting to oust them from their starting place. I want two for each side, one to start and run himself into the ground for an hour, tops, then a replacement to come on and do the same for the remainder. Every game.
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Post by: Risso on April 05, 2023, 12:45:09 PM
Ben Chrisene maybe?

Nope. Did his medial ligament at Kilmarnock, out for ages. Then he'll need to prove his worth on loan again.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 07, 2023, 06:23:51 PM
So Bouba out for a further 10 to 14 days according to UE. He will probably miss the next 2 games, which leaves 7 for him to be involved in.
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Post by: Monty on April 07, 2023, 06:48:41 PM
Big blow if he misses the Newcastle game.
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Post by: olaftab on April 07, 2023, 07:37:27 PM
Yes missing Newcastle could be crucial. They play an attritional game winning second balls to apply constant pressure, exactly the sort of scenario where Boubakar will be priceless.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 20, 2023, 04:25:46 AM
Any news on Bouba? He should be back this weekend according to UE's last update. I guess if fit he will be on the bench....
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Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 09:36:11 AM
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 20, 2023, 12:15:59 PM
Yes, particularly on Coutinho who has been out 2 months with a hamstring injury.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2023, 12:49:42 PM
Yes, particularly on Coutinho who has been out 2 months with a hamstring injury.

Hasn't he got a muscle tear?
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Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 12:53:05 PM
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.

In the last pre-match press conference, Emery lumped Coutinho in with Cash and Kamara when he said they were all looking at another 10-14 days out. Obviously Phil would be further behind match fitness wise.
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Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 01:34:58 PM
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.

In the last pre-match press conference, Emery lumped Coutinho in with Cash and Kamara when he said they were all looking at another 10-14 days out. Obviously Phil would be further behind match fitness wise.

I must've missed that one but wasn't the 10-14 days thing from before Forest rather than Newcastle? If so all 3 could be available this weekend
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Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 02:01:43 PM
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.

In the last pre-match press conference, Emery lumped Coutinho in with Cash and Kamara when he said they were all looking at another 10-14 days out. Obviously Phil would be further behind match fitness wise.

I must've missed that one but wasn't the 10-14 days thing from before Forest rather than Newcastle? If so all 3 could be available this weekend

Yes, sorry that's what I had in my mind, last being the one before the most recent one.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 20, 2023, 02:06:25 PM
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?
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Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 02:19:13 PM
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?

That would be my preference, if he's fit enough to play at all. If he's not completely fit, then don't play him. He was dreadful first half against Chelsea, so either wasn't fully fit or injured himself again.
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Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 02:45:20 PM
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?

That would be my preference, if he's fit enough to play at all. If he's not completely fit, then don't play him. He was dreadful first half against Chelsea, so either wasn't fully fit or injured himself again.

I reckon it was the latter. There was a challenge about 15mins in and he never looked comfortable after that, not quite limping but clearly not right.
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Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 02:48:19 PM
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?

That would be my preference, if he's fit enough to play at all. If he's not completely fit, then don't play him. He was dreadful first half against Chelsea, so either wasn't fully fit or injured himself again.

I reckon it was the latter. There was a challenge about 15mins in and he never looked comfortable after that, not quite limping but clearly not right.

Could be a comibination of the two I guess, ie not fully recovered and then didn't take much of another contact to set it off again. In any case, it won't hurt him to have to wait for his chance to get back in the team.
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Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 02:52:19 PM
Yeah, just coming back from injury is one of the most common times to pick up an injury, handle it badly and you end up like we did with Delph who was injured, unfit or shit for the best part of 2 seasons before he managed a run of games and got back to form.
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Post by: LeeB on April 20, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
Or you could just be like the Donk, come in out of blue and drop an 8 out of 10 without breaking sweat
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Post by: Hookeysmith on April 20, 2023, 03:58:21 PM
Brentford have quite a bit of height so i would keep the Donkonator in their - he was outstanding on Saturday
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Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 07:06:35 PM
Or you could just be like the Donk, come in out of blue and drop an 8 out of 10 without breaking sweat

And on the eve of his birthday too. What a guy. I've heard some people even call him a hunk.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 20, 2023, 07:10:33 PM
He's in on merit.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 20, 2023, 09:20:08 PM
Sounds like Bouba, Matty and Philippe won't be involved this weekend. I was hoping that at least two of them would be fit by now, at least to strengthen the bench options. Hopefully they will be ready soon.......
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Post by: Beard82 on April 20, 2023, 09:57:35 PM
I don't mind the Donk - other than against stevenage I don't think he's done a lot wrong.

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Post by: Hillbilly on April 21, 2023, 03:49:43 AM
My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.
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Post by: Smirker on April 21, 2023, 05:17:13 AM
Brentford have quite a bit of height so i would keep the Donkonator in their - he was outstanding on Saturday

The Donkonator 😂
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Post by: olaftab on April 21, 2023, 07:14:22 AM
Brentford have quite a bit of height so i would keep the Donkonator in their - he was outstanding on Saturday
There is not much to choose between them height wise but keep Dendoncker as his match fitness level will prevail against a very busy Brentford team.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on April 21, 2023, 07:33:14 AM
My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.

Its funny how we view these things. When i see Big Donk i hear bass guitar and see him telling the friendly housewife next door he’s come to fix her washing machine….
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Post by: Hillbilly on April 21, 2023, 07:40:49 AM
My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.

Its funny how we view these things. When i see Big Donk i hear bass guitar and see him telling the friendly housewife next door he’s come to fix her washing machine….
"This is not a pipe" works in so many scenarios.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on April 21, 2023, 08:45:38 AM
My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.

Its funny how we view these things. When i see Big Donk i hear bass guitar and see him telling the friendly housewife next door he’s come to fix her washing machine….
"This is not a pipe" works in so many scenarios.
Chuckling 🤭
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Post by: SaddVillan on June 11, 2023, 07:35:23 PM
Called up to the French squad for the upcoming internationals.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2023, 08:53:49 PM
Called up to the French squad for the upcoming internationals.

I’d be on my holiday by now if I was him.  It’s a late call up isn’t it?
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Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2023, 09:31:54 PM
Called up to the French squad for the upcoming internationals.

I’d be on my holiday by now if I was him.  It’s a late call up isn’t it?

He was probably on his honeymoon. Didn’t he get married last week? #eastie
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Post by: OCD on June 12, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
He's had to postpone his honeymoon. So I read in one of the articles this morning.
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Post by: Bad English on June 12, 2023, 04:18:03 PM
Crikey! He was at the airport with his wife ready to fly off on honeymoon when he was called up to replace Rabiot. His missus (an 'influenceuse' in French) posted videos on which she says she doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. There is a video of Kamara going off with his suitcases under a decidedly grey sky.

https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/equipe-de-france/equipe-de-france-le-drole-de-dimanche-de-boubacar-kamara-et-sa-femme-stoppes-sur-la-route-de-leur-voyage-de-noces_AV-202306110424.html


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Post by: astonvilla82 on June 12, 2023, 07:31:40 PM
He's had to postpone his honeymoon. So I read in one of the articles this morning.
glad he got his priorities right, good sign for the future
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Post by: Beard82 on June 12, 2023, 07:52:59 PM
Crikey! He was at the airport with his wife ready to fly off on honeymoon when he was called up to replace Rabiot. His missus (an 'influenceuse' in French) posted videos on which she says she doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. There is a video of Kamara going off with his suitcases under a decidedly grey sky.

https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/equipe-de-france/equipe-de-france-le-drole-de-dimanche-de-boubacar-kamara-et-sa-femme-stoppes-sur-la-route-de-leur-voyage-de-noces_AV-202306110424.html
would have been much better if he had done a classic comedy thing of going on his honeymoon AND doing the call up.

Tell the missus he was popping out to get bread and milk, and do a quick training session
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 20, 2023, 09:40:54 AM
https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1670914815953448964?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 17, 2023, 11:36:49 AM
More Get The Badge in action:

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1680886635574042625?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 01:11:56 PM
I like in a world of Louis Vuitton and Prada he turns up with what looks like an Asda washbag and a carrier from duty free :)
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Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:18:13 PM
Stoney top though, obviously to try to get in the boss's good books!
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 04:05:50 PM
Stoney top though, obviously to try to get in the boss's good books!

In a nice shade of green as well (Youri take note).

He likes his Stoney, think he double badged when he flew over to sign for us. Dua Lipa would approve.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2023, 03:02:14 PM
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he is

Quote
“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:09:12 PM
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he is

Quote
“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.

Christ I despise Collymore...

True story.
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Post by: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he is

Quote
“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.

Just a dickhead suggestion. Why not tell them to go and get Kessie or something? Or.. just stfu.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
Prick

Go slap a woman about as that is really your level
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Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 05:50:16 PM
Prick

Go slap a woman about as that is really your level

Or, rather, don't.
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Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2023, 05:54:54 PM
Prick

Go slap a woman about as that is really your level

Oh dear.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 02:47:41 PM
And now it’s being reported that Klippety has put him on his shortlist of two.
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Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 04:06:34 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
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Post by: Villan For Life on July 19, 2023, 04:13:51 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.

Dua Lipa is popping around mine tonight, sorry
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 04:17:36 PM
She could be the one.
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Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 04:18:16 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.

Dua Lipa is popping around mine tonight, sorry

Probably more likely than Bouba popping round Anfield!
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Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 04:18:49 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.

Margot Robbie's a keeper
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Post by: Paul.S on July 19, 2023, 04:21:09 PM
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he is

Quote
“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.

On a par with our other “fan” Agbonlabor.
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Post by: Bad English on July 19, 2023, 04:28:01 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
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Post by: OCD on July 19, 2023, 05:29:13 PM
Any reason to google Margot.
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Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 06:00:13 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.

Margot Robbie's a keeper

Great, she can replace Olsen!
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Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 06:02:36 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
you can't have both, that's greedy - I'll have to take one off your hands.
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Post by: Beard82 on July 19, 2023, 07:26:25 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.

Margot Robbie's a keeper

Great, she can replace Olsen!
I bet its more difficult to get something between her legs than Olsens
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Post by: Bad English on July 19, 2023, 07:37:54 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 10:02:28 PM
V Newcastle Summer Series
Error on the second goal. I've seen it before with Kamara getting caught in possesion. I don't think he did well yesterday, and he may be worried about Tieleman's arrival.
I think he's only going to improve and the way Emery has us playing players can get caught if not careful
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Post by: 85kota on July 25, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*

#maaate

Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.

https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2023, 02:02:29 PM
V Newcastle Summer Series
Error on the second goal. I've seen it before with Kamara getting caught in possesion. I don't think he did well yesterday, and he may be worried about Tieleman's arrival.
I think he's only going to improve and the way Emery has us playing players can get caught if not careful

I very much doubt that.  Tielemans is not really a DM.  His profile is very similar to Doug's but he's worse defensively.  I think he'll mostly play the more advanced pivot role (Doug's role) or further forward.
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Post by: Bad English on July 25, 2023, 02:39:37 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*

#maaate

Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.

https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
This site mentions 'Top Totty' in the site rules, I'll have you know.
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Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 02:44:00 PM
#maaate

Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.

https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate

I'm not sure that watching a film star appear in a film she was happy to appear in is *quite* what they had in mind. Maaate.
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Post by: Bad English on July 25, 2023, 04:08:51 PM
I think they are referring to me writing 'Would bang' to be honest mate!
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 25, 2023, 04:20:25 PM
I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\

Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.

Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.
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Post by: Bad English on July 25, 2023, 05:32:39 PM
I deliberately didn't say "maate" for the first dodgy comment that was made and when I did got told snottily that I had missed an earlier one. At that point I fancied a tug to Leonardo di Caprio.

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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:43:46 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*

#maaate

Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.

https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate

Yet more state sponsored finger wagging - as much as i agree with the motivation behind the actual message it, i dont need politicians being my moral compass. They are hardly role models themselves.

Shit.. i have broken my own point about not having political comments in a football thread - apologies
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Post by: 85kota on July 25, 2023, 06:02:29 PM
I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\

Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.

Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.

You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.

I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2023, 06:06:33 PM
I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\

Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.

Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.

You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.

I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.
Maybe he wanted just see the whole video?  Jesus Christ, it's not real life.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2023, 06:08:41 PM
You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.

I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.

Maybe he wanted just see the whole video?  Jesus Christ, it's not real life.

Haven't watched the video, is Margot Robbie in it?
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Post by: 85kota on July 25, 2023, 06:17:56 PM
Who knows these days with all the deep fakes.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 07:49:27 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*

#maaate

Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.

https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate

Yet more state sponsored finger wagging - as much as i agree with the motivation behind the actual message it, i dont need politicians being my moral compass. They are hardly role models themselves.

Shit.. i have broken my own point about not having political comments in a football thread - apologies

Hookeysmith-sponsored finger-wagging about what we should post about there.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 08:00:57 PM
I'm personally not interested in cars, watches, gadgets of any kind, golf, Formula One, motorways, aeroplanes, designer clothes, football kits, the military, the Aston Villa badge, wrestling, Witton train station, American things, dead celebrities, whoever is in charge of marketing at Aston Villa,  or living celebrities. This is a politics forum that tolerates occasional Aston Villa posts. Please can we stick to those two things please? Because I'm not personally interested in them. Let's just stick to politics and Bertrand Traore. Please.

I shouldn't have to remind you.
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Post by: KevinGage on July 25, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he is

Quote
“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.

On a par with our other “fan” Agbonlabor.

Aye.

Fuck the pair of them off.

Liverpool and Arsenal can have 'em gladly. It's grim that tossers like that and Richards can use our name for any sort of mileage at all.
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 25, 2023, 08:40:09 PM
I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\

Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.

Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.

You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.

I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.

😂
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Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 08:53:59 PM
I clicked after he complained about having to play FIFA or whatever against girls. His serious mate told him he couldn't let that go.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 08:12:21 AM
Kamara is starting to worry me a little bit. He's a very good (potentially a great) player, but he keeps getting caught on the ball and it'll get punished.

Glad it happened though, I would rather things like that show themselves now and get them fixed before the season starts.

I believe it is a combination of understanding football, being threatened by Tielemans and the competition, the talent of Douglas Luiz and him being first choice, and maybe one of the most important things BK being strong enough to play at dm and free from injury.

The potential is there, but it can be casual and indecisive at times. He was a Gerrard signing, but I believe Emery has room for him since Kamara has a lot of quality on the ball despite some obvious flaws in trying to play in Emery system he's very talented and generally a classy footballer.
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Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
Kamara is starting to worry me a little bit. He's a very good (potentially a great) player, but he keeps getting caught on the ball and it'll get punished.

Glad it happened though, I would rather things like that show themselves now and get them fixed before the season starts.

I believe it is a combination of understanding football, being threatened by Tielemans and the competition, the talent of Douglas Luiz and him being first choice, and maybe one of the most important things BK being strong enough to play at dm and free from injury.

The potential is there, but it can be casual and indecisive at times. He was a Gerrard signing, but I believe Emery has room for him since Kamara has a lot of quality on the ball despite some obvious flaws in trying to play in Emery system he's very talented and generally a classy footballer.

He's still young, it will be interesting to see if they bulk him up a bit.
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Post by: Risso on July 26, 2023, 09:10:03 AM
I think that's part of it Dogtanian, he's bullied on the ball a bit. When he has time and space on the ball he's brilliant, but Leicester showed what happens if you closely mark him and give him a bit of close attention.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 26, 2023, 09:29:24 AM
I think that's part of it Dogtanian, he's bullied on the ball a bit. When he has time and space on the ball he's brilliant, but Leicester showed what happens if you closely mark him and give him a bit of close attention.

The special attention applies to any player however good. Kamara gets that attention because it’s obvious that if he’s allowed too much time on the ball he will control the game. He will have to learn/ or be aware to release the ball quicker at Prem level. Even so, he’s a starter for me still in every game if he remains fit. That tackle against the Brighton forward Ferguson when in on goal was pivotal to us winning the game.
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Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
The mugging of Kane which set up the 2nd goal at Spurs was outstanding too.
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Post by: Risso on July 26, 2023, 09:47:24 AM
I think that's part of it Dogtanian, he's bullied on the ball a bit. When he has time and space on the ball he's brilliant, but Leicester showed what happens if you closely mark him and give him a bit of close attention.

The special attention applies to any player however good. Kamara gets that attention because it’s obvious that if he’s allowed too much time on the ball he will control the game. He will have to learn/ or be aware to release the ball quicker at Prem level. Even so, he’s a starter for me still in every game if he remains fit. That tackle against the Brighton forward Ferguson when in on goal was pivotal to us winning the game.

The likes of Luiz and McGinn are much stronger though, and you often see them (McGinn especially) use that strength to get out of tricky situations. I think Kamara's position is pivotal to how we play, so he just needs to not get robbed quite as easily.
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Post by: Dave P on July 26, 2023, 10:17:58 AM
You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.

I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.

Maybe he wanted just see the whole video?  Jesus Christ, it's not real life.

Haven't watched the video, is Margot Robbie in it?

Are ANY fit birds in it?  I wont watch it otherwise.
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Post by: PeterWithe on July 26, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
I didn't even get as far as pressing the play button.
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 26, 2023, 10:34:04 AM
I didn't even get as far as pressing the play button.

I can assure you that you didn't miss much.
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Post by: PeterWithe on July 26, 2023, 10:35:01 AM
I'm more of a Sid the Sexist fan.
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Post by: Bad English on July 26, 2023, 10:35:49 AM
I didn't even get as far as pressing the play button.
Cheer up love!
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Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 10:50:38 AM
I'm more of a Sid the Sexist fan.

Do you like chicken pet?
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Post by: Risso on July 26, 2023, 10:59:54 AM
I'm more of a Sid the Sexist fan.

Do you like chicken pet?

Well suc...maaaate!
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Post by: PeterWithe on July 26, 2023, 11:05:16 AM
How pet, I haven't got much but it'll fill a pram like.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2023, 02:15:50 PM
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.


Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*

#maaate

Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.

https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate

Yet more state sponsored finger wagging - as much as i agree with the motivation behind the actual message it, i dont need politicians being my moral compass. They are hardly role models themselves.

Shit.. i have broken my own point about not having political comments in a football thread - apologies

Hookeysmith-sponsored finger-wagging about what we should post about there.

Quite right too ;)
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Post by: Astnor on August 06, 2023, 10:30:54 AM
Outstanding yesterday. The way he dribble two or three players in tight spaces outside our box and get out and away with it.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2023, 12:22:09 PM
In the latest France squad.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2023, 02:44:54 PM
In the latest France squad.

100% not surprised - cant think of anyone in that position better in the prem at the moment
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 02:50:32 PM
Definitely deserved.

Much as I worry about players on international duty, we need them to start getting picked or they'll start thinking they need to move to a 'big club' to get noticed.

Dougie not in the Brazil squad in the odd one for me.
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Post by: dave shelley on September 01, 2023, 02:53:00 PM
Definitely deserved.

Much as I worry about players on international duty, we need them to start getting picked or they'll start thinking they need to move to a 'big club' to get noticed.

Dougie not in the Brazil squad in the odd one for me.

Does Southgate manage them too?
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 21, 2023, 07:11:26 PM
Heard many times last season that he made the hard things to do look extremely easy which I fully endorsed. Now he’s making the easy things to do look like an absolute burden.
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 07:17:29 PM
What's going on with him? Massive nosedive in his level of performance.
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Post by: Ian. on September 21, 2023, 07:26:35 PM
What's going on with him? Massive nosedive in his level of performance.

Maybe he needs benching for a while, give him some time to stew.
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Post by: AV84 on September 21, 2023, 07:29:59 PM
What's going on with him? Massive nosedive in his level of performance.

Maybe he needs benching for a while, give him some time to stew.

Now Ramsey is back he might just be.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2023, 07:52:47 PM
Really struggling - he’s a bloody good player but he’s miles off it at the moment. It is leaving our defence exposed.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 21, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
He looks moody as fuck all the time, too.
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 08:05:09 PM
I wonder if we got a bid for him from Liverpool that we didn't accept and he's sulking? He needs to sort it out whatever the reason is, and sharpish, he's been completely rubbish.
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Post by: aev on September 21, 2023, 09:19:44 PM
Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.

When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 21, 2023, 09:21:33 PM
Although he is French and they do tend to look fucking miserable all the time, especially when amongst English people.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2023, 09:23:07 PM
Although he is French and they do tend to look fucking miserable all the time, especially when amongst English people.
can't blame him really.... :D
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Post by: Bad English on September 21, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
Although he is French and they do tend to look fucking miserable all the time, especially when amongst English people.
It's usually because they have seen a "Sunday roast" and are thinking "What the FUCK am I doing in the company of Englishers? Do they really eat those?"
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 10:00:41 PM
They’ve given us gastronomy and fine wine, we sent them a mardy Brummie. You’d be pissed off too!
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Post by: OCD on September 22, 2023, 08:55:35 AM
Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.

When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.

He got married in the summer, didn't he.
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Post by: Bad English on September 22, 2023, 08:57:58 AM
Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.

When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.

He got married in the summer, didn't he.
His honeymoon period is over.
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Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 12:26:25 PM
Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.

When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.

He got married in the summer, didn't he.
His honeymoon period is over.

Is he still pissed off he didn’t get one?
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Post by: Bad English on September 22, 2023, 12:32:58 PM
That was the fault of the anti-Bingo, Didier 'Gnashers' Deschamps'
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 22, 2023, 12:45:04 PM
Mood wise he didn’t exactly come across as a barrel of laughs last season even when he was playing very well.
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Post by: Rigadon on September 22, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
His form has been quite disappointing so far this season.  Needs to sort himself out or be replaced for a bit.
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Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 01:37:42 PM
Who's coming in for him though? Tielemans has hardly looked rock solid, and it's in the defensive stuff that we've got problems. There's always The Donk, but he's got his limitations as well - and anyway is just coming back from an injury, can hardly throw him in against Chelsea.
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Post by: AV84 on September 22, 2023, 01:39:10 PM
Ramsey? Change the formation to suit the players we have. Feels like a couple of times we've been trying to force players into positions just to get them on the pitch.
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Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 01:42:37 PM
In what system does Ramsey come in for Kamara and we benefit defensively?
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Post by: AV84 on September 22, 2023, 02:00:43 PM
In what system does Ramsey come in for Kamara and we benefit defensively?

I think we'd benefit defensively from any midfield system that actually works and manages to control the game.
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Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 02:01:57 PM
In what system does Ramsey come in for Kamara and we benefit defensively?

I think we'd benefit defensively from any midfield system that actually works and manages to control the game.

Yeah this is the actual, technical meaning of the oft-misused phrase 'begging the question'.
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Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2023, 02:45:24 PM
He's a young player, recently married so probably still getting some. Give him a couple of months and he'll have his energy and adrenaline back.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2023, 05:05:31 PM
Ramsey? Change the formation to suit the players we have. Feels like a couple of times we've been trying to force players into positions just to get them on the pitch.
The players we have suit a double pivot.  It has been the cornerstone of our success since Emery joined and something we had been crying out for.  It's the system that gets the best out of Luiz and in theory would probably be the system that suites Tielemans best too, although he would need to be the more advanced of the two (ie Luiz's role)

If Kamara needs taking out, then the most obvious answer is now Luiz-Tielemans (Luiz playing the more defensive role).  Dendonker-Luiz should also be an option, but Emery preferred to bring McGinn back ahead of Dendonker last season - so that's another option.

So whatever we chose to do with Ramsey, I'd be very surprised if it involved us moving away from two centre mids.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 23, 2023, 10:02:58 AM
He's a young player, recently married so probably still getting some. Give him a couple of months and he'll have his energy and adrenaline back.
The old penny in the jar theory.
It could be a while.
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Post by: brontebilly on September 23, 2023, 06:03:41 PM
Ramsey? Change the formation to suit the players we have. Feels like a couple of times we've been trying to force players into positions just to get them on the pitch.
The players we have suit a double pivot.  It has been the cornerstone of our success since Emery joined and something we had been crying out for.  It's the system that gets the best out of Luiz and in theory would probably be the system that suites Tielemans best too, although he would need to be the more advanced of the two (ie Luiz's role)

If Kamara needs taking out, then the most obvious answer is now Luiz-Tielemans (Luiz playing the more defensive role).  Dendonker-Luiz should also be an option, but Emery preferred to bring McGinn back ahead of Dendonker last season - so that's another option.

So whatever we chose to do with Ramsey, I'd be very surprised if it involved us moving away from two centre mids.

I don't know any formation that would justify Tielemans any PL start at the moment.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2023, 06:50:27 PM
A welcome return to form. Makes a huge difference.
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Post by: paul_e on September 24, 2023, 07:30:31 PM
I might be wrong but I think he was playing a slightly different role today and looked better for it.

In the last couple of games he's strayed a lot further from the '10 yards in front of the centre backs' position where he's at his best and he's had to spend a lot of energy tracking back into defensive positions if we lose the ball, which has created gaps.

Today he held his spot a lot more and was able to do all the dirty work he's so good at. The big difference is that we weren't trying to dominate possession today so he didn't have to offer himself so much.  I suspect in games where we're looking at 60%+ possession Luiz in that role and Tielemans slightly ahead might work better.
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Post by: Keeno on October 22, 2023, 08:41:37 PM
Dug this thread out to give him a shout out cause against an absolute shithouse midfield in Soucek, JWP and Alvarez thought he was at his best today.

Put in some great challenges, reads the game so well and great when he has the ball. Really like how he drops into the right of the back 3 when Cash pushes on.
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Post by: Risso on October 22, 2023, 09:01:22 PM
The early season wobble seems right behind him.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2023, 07:25:16 PM
Against Nottingham Forest Kamara produced an absolute world class challenge in our penalty area.
It was a slide tackle timed to perfection.

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 07, 2023, 08:12:23 PM
Yeah, but he does have a tendency to occasionally attempt to be a bit *too* clever with the ball when on the edge of our area and then lose the ball in a very dangerous position, he almost got caught out doing that again at Forest.

I still love him, but he needs to stop doing that, because I shit a brick every time.
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Post by: nigel on November 08, 2023, 08:29:52 AM
Yeah, but he does have a tendency to occasionally attempt to be a bit *too* clever with the ball when on the edge of our area and then lose the ball in a very dangerous position, he almost got caught out doing that again at Forest.

I still love him, but he needs to stop doing that, because I shit a brick every time.

It’s a fine line between a stunning pass and a crap one.
I think because confidence is so high the players are trying more difficult passes rather than the simple one. If they come off, and many have, it’s a thing of beauty. So, to a degree it should be encouraged.
I suppose the next step is picking the time to do them.
That said, I know exactly how you feel when it’s on the edge of our penalty area 😂
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2023, 09:22:37 AM
It's not even a pass usually, he tried to twist and turn away with the ball one time too many and gets caught, it's great when he pulls it off, but horrendous when he's caught out.

I think he did it against Natasha Kinski or whatever that Bosnian team were called.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 12:41:52 AM
International matches for Boubacar Kamara on Saturday and Tuesday
Gibraltar (H, Nov18) Greece (A, Nov 21)
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2023, 02:41:35 PM
1 match ban for 5 yellows
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Post by: aldridgeboy on November 26, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
I guess it’s better the next game than the rest of December.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on November 26, 2023, 04:11:02 PM
In fact I was hoping for a 95th minute Dougie yellow.
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Post by: eamonn on November 26, 2023, 06:07:54 PM
He was fantastic today at times, Booba.
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Post by: Risso on November 26, 2023, 06:12:28 PM
He was fantastic today at times, Booba.

He seems to like playing Spurs, last season at their place was the best game I can remember him having. That tackle on Kane was world class.
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Post by: AV84 on November 26, 2023, 06:14:42 PM
Assume he's the first name on the team sheet for Thursday night then.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 26, 2023, 08:31:36 PM
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 26, 2023, 08:33:33 PM
We have Donk but it depends on how you define proper.
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Post by: Mister E on November 26, 2023, 08:47:33 PM
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.
Let's give Tim a runout ...
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Post by: Baldy on November 26, 2023, 08:47:54 PM
Bouba fantastic today, Arsenal will be interested tomorrow.
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Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 08:54:52 PM
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.

He's great. But McGinn - DL - Tielemans is still three better midfielders than Bournemouth will be putting out. Even if they have to all sit a bit further back than they normally do.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 26, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
Yeah probably true, but it upsets the balance.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 26, 2023, 09:24:17 PM
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.
Let's give Tim a runout ...

Has Tim ever filled in at CB?  that seems a big part of how we play nowadays with Kamara dropping into a back three.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2023, 05:32:22 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 27, 2023, 06:16:43 AM
Bouba fantastic today, Arsenal will be interested tomorrow.


😂
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Post by: Somniloquism on November 27, 2023, 09:06:49 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
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Post by: Dave on November 27, 2023, 09:16:12 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.

He's talking about Kamara isn't he?

Which I felt was also fair enough. Their player was about to break past him and Kamara just stopped him. Sensible yellow card to pick up, and better to be out of the Bournemouth game than one of the two that follow it anyway.

Obviously if he'd not done it, they'd only have got caught offside anyway.
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Post by: Somniloquism on November 27, 2023, 09:22:55 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.

He's talking about Kamara isn't he?

Which I felt was also fair enough. Their player was about to break past him and Kamara just stopped him. Sensible yellow card to pick up, and better to be out of the Bournemouth game than one of the two that follow it anyway.

Obviously if he'd not done it, they'd only have got caught offside anyway.

Yes, missed the thread title so apologies for that. Everyone and their "Son" have been moaning about the Cash one that I genuinely thought it had been the only tackle in the games over the weekend.

Edit:- Although the supposed elbow by Carlos on Gil, even shown on the Beeb for some reason seems to be gathering momentum in the media.
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Post by: PeterWithe on November 27, 2023, 09:30:17 AM
Carlos cant help being bigger than that squirt.
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Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 09:53:37 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.

You're on the wrong thread, this is about the Kamara yellow.

The problem is that difference between what Kamara did and a few other tackles which weren't even given as a free kicks is paper thin.

I'm ok with them being a bit more lenient with physical contact (but it needs to be more consistent) but if you do that then the threshold for yellow cards has to go up or you run the risk of most fouls being given as bookings.

A decent referee only gives 1 yellow (to Cash) in that game, the other 3 were pathetic, On top of the soft one for Kamara McGinn got booked for asking why 1 tackle from behind was a free kick but the one on him 15seconds earlier wasn't (going back to the lack of consistency in this supposed higher threshold for fouls) and Watkins was even worse, getting booked for pointing out that the ball clearly went out off the defender, there should be a process to appeal on one like that because it was truly pathetic from the officials to miss it and then book our player for complaining. Again inconsistent given Kulusevski was shouting at him for a good 30 seconds when he was trying to buy a penalty after him and Digne kicked the ball at the same time.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on November 27, 2023, 12:57:48 PM
The way they were talking yesterday & the way some Spurs idiots are talking is that Cash possibly deserved more than the yellow & was a worse challenge because one, they have so many injuries & two, he wasn't fully fit after coming back from an injury.

These are genuine reasons why Cash has had stupid abuse for a standard late tackle that deserved a yellow & hardly a mention after that.

My responses to that are fuck your injuries that you have had for all of three games. We have missed four or five all season & got on with it to be sitting in fourth.

And secondly, fuck your team selection. If he wasn't fit then he shouldn't have been on the field & the bloke who came on to replace him should have started.

They gambled with his selection & it backfired.

But they made the choice to play him while not being fully fit so can blame nobody but themselves...
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Post by: Drummond on November 27, 2023, 01:07:19 PM
Well he can definitely play on Thursday, then rest for Man City.

I'd expect a three of Luiz, McGinn and Tielemans for Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2023, 09:55:06 AM
Kamara will be key against Mancity, but hopefully starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 29, 2023, 10:12:32 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.

He's talking about Kamara isn't he?

Which I felt was also fair enough. Their player was about to break past him and Kamara just stopped him. Sensible yellow card to pick up, and better to be out of the Bournemouth game than one of the two that follow it anyway.

Obviously if he'd not done it, they'd only have got caught offside anyway.

Yes, missed the thread title so apologies for that. Everyone and their "Son" have been moaning about the Cash one that I genuinely thought it had been the only tackle in the games over the weekend.

Edit:- Although the supposed elbow by Carlos on Gil, even shown on the Beeb for some reason seems to be gathering momentum in the media.


I didn’t notice that during the game. I think we were lucky that a pen wasn’t given. It was reckless by Carlos given that Gil was nowhere near getting to the ball.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 29, 2023, 10:22:52 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.

Edit: forget it.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Somniloquism on November 29, 2023, 10:46:09 AM
Edit:- Although the supposed elbow by Carlos on Gil, even shown on the Beeb for some reason seems to be gathering momentum in the media.


I didn’t notice that during the game. I think we were lucky that a pen wasn’t given. It was reckless by Carlos given that Gil was nowhere near getting to the ball.

It wasn't an elbow as he was just putting his arm across to muscle him out which was confirmed by VAR it wasn't anything at all. Didn't stop Sky pundits from launching an half time tirade though which I doubt they would have mentioned if we hadn't equalised at half time. Hence why the Beeb tacked it onto the end of the highlights of that section of play but didn't even mention anything about it in the studio.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 29, 2023, 11:13:18 AM
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.

As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.

Edit: forget it.
yes I was talking about Kamara :)
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 01, 2023, 12:51:39 AM
Blundered for tonight's goal but it didn't put him off his game the way early mistakes sometimes did last season.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 01, 2023, 01:16:45 AM
Blundered for tonight's goal but it didn't put him off his game the way early mistakes sometimes did last season.

He is a quality player, but does seem to have a bit of a weakness when he gets the ball facing his goal.  It isn't a massive problem, but it does crop up every now and again where he either gets caught on the ball or gives it away like tonight.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2023, 10:53:06 AM
He had one of his "competition winner" performances first half, when everything he does goes wrong, and he looks dreadful. Picked up a lot after the break though, so that's hopefully it out of his system for another ten games, and he can be back to his excellent best.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: aj2k77 on December 01, 2023, 10:54:22 AM
It's happened to him a few times now when he receives the ball on the edge of the box with players closing him down and he plays a blind pass.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 01, 2023, 10:55:49 AM
Its clearly done to an instruction though as Dendonker also does it when he replaces him in games.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2023, 11:08:15 AM
Its clearly done to an instruction though as Dendonker also does it when he replaces him in games.

Yes, we want teams to use a high press on us, so we play in a way that encourages them to. The idea is to create counter-attack style field positions whilst we have the ball.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: spartacuss on December 01, 2023, 11:12:06 AM
Heart in mouth moments in a number of matches when Boubacar has the ball near the penalty area. The closer to the half-way line he is, the greater the player he is. Konsa should be keeping a closer eye on him and shepherd him more.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2023, 11:28:32 AM
It's at least the third time I've seen him make the same mistake, including one of the American pre-season games.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 01, 2023, 12:41:37 PM
Heart in mouth moments in a number of matches when Boubacar has the ball near the penalty area. The closer to the half-way line he is, the greater the player he is. Konsa should be keeping a closer eye on him and shepherd him more.

Even Konsa had a few uncharacteristic iffy moments last night.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: LeeB on December 01, 2023, 12:53:46 PM
Heart in mouth moments in a number of matches when Boubacar has the ball near the penalty area. The closer to the half-way line he is, the greater the player he is. Konsa should be keeping a closer eye on him and shepherd him more.

Even Konsa had a few uncharacteristic iffy moments last night.

A few of ours appeared to be wearing roller skates on occaisions.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: DrGonzo on December 07, 2023, 05:27:45 PM
The most languid player I've seen in a Villa shirt.  He never seems to break into a sprint more transports himself to the place he needs to be.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: usav on December 07, 2023, 05:32:41 PM
I thought last night was his best game for us.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2023, 12:29:40 AM
Majestic.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Chap on December 08, 2023, 12:44:28 AM
Majestic.
Like a fine red wine.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2023, 04:06:28 PM
Guess if he needs a three match ban, home games against Sheffield United and Burnley are the ones to pick.

Let's hope Youri is feeling up for it by Boxing Day.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 04:07:33 PM
Silly boy, really didn't need that from him today. If you're going to get a straight red for violent conduct, can you please snap Ben Mee in half like a Kit Kat in future. Thanks.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Smirker on December 17, 2023, 04:11:25 PM
Nice flick for the winner.

Disappointing red. Why can't players just walk away?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Holy Trinity on December 17, 2023, 04:11:30 PM
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 04:13:10 PM
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.

Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
Disappointed with his sending off. We will miss him now for some key games over the holidays. Still should get players back so hopefully the impact isn’t too great. And he can get a rest too.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Disappointed with his sending off. We will miss him now for some key games over the holidays. Still should get players back so hopefully the impact isn’t too great. And he can get a rest too.

Should be OK with Sheff U and Burnley at home as Dave says. Think we'll miss him at the Theatre of Twats though.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Holy Trinity on December 17, 2023, 04:17:08 PM
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.

Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.

Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 04:18:51 PM
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.

Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.

Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.

Man U are fucking shit. We should be expecting to go and at least get a point if not all three.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Holy Trinity on December 17, 2023, 04:21:00 PM
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.

Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.

Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.

Man U are fucking shit. We should be expecting to go and at least get a point if not all three.

Shit or not we struggle at old Trafford and have for as long as I can remember. I'd love to be leaving the Burnley game on the 30th after 3 more wins on the spin but those shit arses will find a way to get 4 pens and beat us.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 04:21:04 PM
True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.

It's just annoying when it really didn't need to happen. If it was a last ditch mis-timed tackle to save a goal then fair enough, but just handbags after some Emi and Maupay nonsense? Really daft.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2023, 04:22:37 PM
Mind you. His flick for our winning goal was just delightful.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
Depends on what's happening with other players as to how much we miss him. How long is Tielemans out? McGinn and Cash are on 4 yellows. Ramsey still rusty.

If we have a full squad to pick from over these 3 games we should be fine.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: usav on December 17, 2023, 04:25:18 PM
True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.

It's just annoying when it really didn't need to happen. If it was a last ditch mis-timed tackle to save a goal then fair enough, but just handbags after some Emi and Maupay nonsense? Really daft.

100% this.

So stupid.  Hopefully Youri is back.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: SaddVillan on December 17, 2023, 04:45:26 PM
Think he needs to go on a twathandling course.

As in rugby - tackle height is paramount these days if you want to avoid getting sanctioned.

Having said that, close anaylsis of the "scrum" in their goalmouth post Ollie's goal could probably throw up similar  confrontations.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Somniloquism on December 17, 2023, 04:46:57 PM
For quite awhile he was being the calm one. But as I mentioned on the thread, how he got a red and certain Brentford players did not is certainly a question. Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 04:48:21 PM
Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.

The posters saying they'd prefer Marschall to Olsen could be in for a treat next week 😄
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Smithy on December 17, 2023, 05:04:33 PM
For quite awhile he was being the calm one. But as I mentioned on the thread, how he got a red and certain Brentford players did not is certainly a question. Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.

Like you said, it was strange how Bouba went from the one trying to calm the situation (first with Maupay - I'm guessing in French), then with others, to being the one to get the red card.  My suspicion is something was said to him, or there was contact not shown in the camera, because he seemingly went from calm and in control to hand in the face in about two seconds.

It's disappointing that he got a red card, but I'm also pleased with the team spirit which showed we're not going to let ourselves be bullied by the more physical teams. We'll give as good as we get.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 17, 2023, 05:23:07 PM
For quite awhile he was being the calm one. But as I mentioned on the thread, how he got a red and certain Brentford players did not is certainly a question. Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.

Like you said, it was strange how Bouba went from the one trying to calm the situation (first with Maupay - I'm guessing in French), then with others, to being the one to get the red card.  My suspicion is something was said to him, or there was contact not shown in the camera, because he seemingly went from calm and in control to hand in the face in about two seconds.

It's disappointing that he got a red card, but I'm also pleased with the team spirit which showed we're not going to let ourselves be bullied by the more physical teams. We'll give as good as we get.
Hear hear
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 17, 2023, 05:45:55 PM
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.

Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.

Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.

Man U are fucking shit. We should be expecting to go and at least get a point if not all three.

Shit or not we struggle at old Trafford and have for as long as I can remember. I'd love to be leaving the Burnley game on the 30th after 3 more wins on the spin but those shit arses will find a way to get 4 pens and beat us.
We won there the season before last, we can do it again
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Bad English on December 17, 2023, 05:57:21 PM
We had struggled at, (checks notes™), Brentford before too. I expect us to smash the bastards.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Drummond on December 17, 2023, 07:11:57 PM
Annoying, and hopefully he'll learn from this. He had better be firing on all cylinders when he's back for the Cup.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2023, 07:12:35 PM
Watching the highlights again, McGinn goes mental at Kamara after the red card, tapping his head to indicate he thinks Bouba's been an idiot. That's what you want from your captain, setting him straight.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Drummond on December 17, 2023, 07:14:08 PM
Watching the highlights again, McGinn goes mental at Kamara after the red card, tapping his head to indicate he thinks Bouba's been an idiot. That's what you want from your captain, setting him straight.

Exactly. That's what an experienced head gives you.

Martinez trying to wind them up caused us more problems than them.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: DrGonzo on December 17, 2023, 07:18:25 PM
10 yellows and 2 reds, one of those games, huh?  Haven't seen anything yet, I was out for my big bro's b'day.  Sounds like a nailed on red from what I've heard.  Missing Luiz today and now Kamara for 3 shows the lack of strength in depth in the squad.  At least he'll be fit and firing in January!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2023, 08:06:46 PM
It’s poor from Kamara, and he and we pay the price for it. Hopefully we’ll cope in the games we have, but he’s a key player and not one we can really replace.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: olaftab on December 17, 2023, 08:14:41 PM
True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.

It's just annoying when it really didn't need to happen. If it was a last ditch mis-timed tackle to save a goal then fair enough, but just handbags after some Emi and Maupay nonsense? Really daft.

100% this.

So stupid.  Hopefully Youri is back.
Yes but it’s always a in the moment thing and I am happy for our players to become feral on occasions as long as it’s not every match.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: olaftab on December 17, 2023, 08:20:06 PM
We had struggled at, (checks notes™), Brentford before too. I expect us to smash the bastards.
This. Unai is rewriting the old norms into new routine.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Astnor on December 17, 2023, 08:23:48 PM
Edited, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 17, 2023, 08:30:05 PM
Emi light the old blue touch paper and the ensuing shenanigans led to a harsh red. Think we’ve got enough in reserve to cover him for the home matches, we might miss him Boxing Day.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2023, 08:39:23 PM
That prick that got himself involved in our goal celebrations lit the touch paper and slinked off without sanction, the snidey get.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 17, 2023, 08:47:14 PM
Nice flick for the winner.

Disappointing red. Why can't players just walk away?

His actions certainly cast a shadow over proceedings, picked a fine time to get a red.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: OCD on December 17, 2023, 10:06:38 PM
Watching the highlights again, McGinn goes mental at Kamara after the red card, tapping his head to indicate he thinks Bouba's been an idiot. That's what you want from your captain, setting him straight.

I gather McGinn wasn't happy with Martinez either. He didn't need to do what he did.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2023, 10:10:49 PM
That prick that got himself involved in our goal celebrations lit the touch paper and slinked off without sanction, the snidey get.

Didn’t he and Konsa both get booked? Seemed about right.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: ROBBO on December 18, 2023, 04:38:30 AM
Martinez showed poor judgement when we were well in control, we missed Kamara last time he was out, no need. 
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 18, 2023, 05:37:05 AM
For me Kamara is the player we have the least cover for, so timing is awful. Especially with McGinn a booking from a ban too. A midfield at Old Trafford of Dendonker, Luiz and Ramsey doesn't fill me with joy

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: j66acd on December 18, 2023, 06:30:25 AM
For me Kamara is the player we have the least cover for, so timing is awful. Especially with McGinn a booking from a ban too. A midfield at Old Trafford of Dendonker, Luiz and Ramsey doesn't fill me with joy



They’d still run rings around any ManU midfield.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
For me Kamara is the player we have the least cover for, so timing is awful. Especially with McGinn a booking from a ban too. A midfield at Old Trafford of Dendonker, Luiz and Ramsey doesn't fill me with joy



He’s a key player for us, Dougie mentioned it the other day and these two as a pair are arguably the best two in the league when playing together.

We’re going to miss him massively.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: London Villan on December 18, 2023, 09:07:25 AM
We are fortunate with who we play next... frustrating thing is he was trying to calm the situation down, yet got a couple of pushes and then reacted.

Zaniolo, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey (with added Teilemans and Dendonkar) isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Smithy on December 18, 2023, 09:17:35 AM
We are fortunate with who we play next... frustrating thing is he was trying to calm the situation down, yet got a couple of pushes and then reacted.

Zaniolo, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey (with added Teilemans and Dendonkar) isn't the end of the world.

Having Dougie back helps.  It's a shame because as a pair they've been as good as anyone in the league this season, but if you're going to miss three games through an unnecessary suspension, then having two of them against the newly-promoted sides currently sitting in the relegation places is about as good as you can ask for. 

It's a good lesson for the team to learn, but honestly, I think Emi needs to take the lion's share of the blame for that whole incident.  We were winning, there were two minutes to go, and their forward wants to sit on the ground and waste time pleading with the ref - LET HIM.  Take a seat next to him if you want. There was no need to hurry him along.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 09:24:01 AM
Emi wouldn’t be who is is without that element to his game. He’s a maverick. He can’t be held responsible for Kamara grabbing anyone on the same way Ollie can’t be blamed for the ruckus after the goal.

I’m sure the boss will have a word in private with all involved.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Smithy on December 18, 2023, 09:53:45 AM
Emi wouldn’t be who is is without that element to his game. He’s a maverick. He can’t be held responsible for Kamara grabbing anyone on the same way Ollie can’t be blamed for the ruckus after the goal.

I’m sure the boss will have a word in private with all involved.

I agree, but his shithousery always seems to have that professional element to it, as in "how can I gain an advantage over my opponent". Yesterday with Maupay it felt like "this bloke has annoyed me and I'm going to let him have it", which felt a bit out of character.  What I will say in his defence is that the moment it was clear the whole incident was escalating, he put his hands in the air and starting walking backwards away from the trouble, so I think he knew he'd messed up.

It was all so unnecessary given we were winning with two minutes to go. I always thought Emi's shithousery came with him being a bit smarter than his opponents.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: cdward on December 18, 2023, 10:00:42 AM
I thought Martinez was just wasting time by getting involved with Maupay, i.e knowing it will run the clock down even more, but i think he lost his cool, which i was surprised at.
In hindsight he should have just stood over him laughing.
I think as a team we will learn from this. McGinn looked genuinely annoyed that Kamara got himself the red.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: London Villan on December 18, 2023, 10:05:40 AM
McGinn is clearly Emery's captain - been a long time since I've seen the sort of mannger-inspired captaincy on the pitch.

McGinn has given bollocking out to Duran for getting involved in this sort of stuff too.


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Post by: Baldy on December 18, 2023, 10:13:49 AM
Maupay is French.

Can't help thinking there was some leftovers here from Martinez antics at the last World Cup. Maupay is a nasty little fecker and Martinez needs to rise above it.

C'est la vie.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: john2710 on December 18, 2023, 11:19:28 AM
I guess there's no point appealing the red card, even though it looked innoculous & a 3 game ban seems extreme.

In the tight games, Kamara is a key player for us, especially away from Villa Park. We should be OK for the games vs Sheffield & Burnley, but his absence at Old Trafford could be the difference.
I'd play Dendonker, who was excellent in the home wins against Man U & Newcastle last season when Kamara was out. Just don't play the ball to him when he's facing his own goal.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:31:31 AM
Feel sorry for him, he shouldn't have raised his hands but that twat had a swipe at him first and he'd been trying to be peacemaker up until that.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Maupay is French.

Can't help thinking there was some leftovers here from Martinez antics at the last World Cup.
I really, really think that there was nothing of the sort to it.
1) Maupay has had 2 games for the French B team plus a few for the U16, U17 and U19's and should STFU anyway.

2) He's just a twat who came up against far superior opposition.

Yes, Martinez is seen as a pantomime rogue by some in France but that is about it. We are too focused on winning the Euros to dwell on such things.
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Post by: Risso on December 18, 2023, 11:36:45 AM
Feel sorry for him, he shouldn't have raised his hands but that twat had a swipe at him first and he'd been trying to be peacemaker up until that.

Yes he actually pulled Maupay’s shirt back down then tried to help him up.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2023, 11:40:51 AM
Kamara is now getting an enforced break. We should be okay without him for two of the three coming games I think but he should be with the team and not sloping off to France for Christmas as might be his aim. A discipline reset is required for the squad so that we don’t get drawn into these situations again. Shithousery is only good if you’re advantaged by it.
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Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 11:43:42 AM
If he is going back to France, I doubt it will be for "Christmas".
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Post by: SamTheMouse on December 18, 2023, 12:11:13 PM
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 12:27:18 PM
I hope not it's poison.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2023, 01:12:22 PM
If he is going back to France, I doubt it will be for "Christmas".

Of course, it will be Noel!

I meant the break back with family not the religious festivity of which probably means little to him.
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Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2023, 01:18:43 PM
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?

I developed rather a liking for Ricard in the summer.
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Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2023, 01:19:16 PM
There is no way on earth Emery will allow him to go away and not be part of training.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 01:20:26 PM
Will really miss him versus the redscum
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 01:48:40 PM
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?

I developed rather a liking for Ricard in the summer.

Group Ricard used to be one of my clients and despite massive success with so many of their brands we couldn't do anything with Ricard. We even tried Ricardinhas (a twist on Caipirinha) but the French owners soon put a stop to that. It doesn't matter how much you dilute it, it still tastes of nasty cough medicine.
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Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 01:50:47 PM
I love Ricard.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
I love Ricard.

Why am I not surprised. ;)
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Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 02:03:38 PM
I love Ricard.

Why am I not surprised. ;)

Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 02:06:35 PM
I love Ricard.

Why am I not surprised. ;)

Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?

I'm saying nothing. The last time I speculated on your image you took great offence.
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Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 02:08:08 PM
I love Ricard.

Why am I not surprised. ;)

Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?

I'm saying nothing. The last time I speculated on your image you took great offence.

I forget what it was, but I'm betting anything the word 'topknot' was thrown about with callous abandon.
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Post by: joe_c on December 18, 2023, 02:10:04 PM
If he is going back to France, I doubt it will be for "Christmas".

Hivervalle
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 02:13:45 PM
I love Ricard.

Why am I not surprised. ;)

Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?

I'm saying nothing. The last time I speculated on your image you took great offence.

I forget what it was, but I'm betting anything the word 'topknot' was thrown about with callous abandon.

No. It was more along the lines that you probably remember fondly Gerry Hitchens in Villa colours.
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Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Ha! As opposed to, say, looking like Gerry Hitchens did in Villa colours.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 02:21:04 PM
In your dreams, ya topknot crustie!
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Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2023, 02:35:40 PM
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?

I developed rather a liking for Ricard in the summer.

Group Ricard used to be one of my clients and despite massive success with so many of their brands we couldn't do anything with Ricard. We even tried Ricardinhas (a twist on Caipirinha) but the French owners soon put a stop to that. It doesn't matter how much you dilute it, it still tastes of nasty cough medicine.

Ratio of 1:4 or 1:5 is my preference.

It's fabulous!
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Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2023, 02:36:15 PM
And I haven't got (nor could I have) a topknot.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 02:45:32 PM
Ratio of 1:4 or 1:5 is my preference.

1:5 is the official recommended dilution of the cough medicine.
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Post by: Gerrin on December 18, 2023, 02:49:37 PM
Does anyone know where he now is with regards to future bookings and suspensions when the next phase begins. ie how many bookings until his next suspension and how many games will it be?
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Post by: SamTheMouse on December 18, 2023, 02:50:18 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

I'm currently sitting in bed shivering with flu and feeling like shite, but if I look out the window and lean slightly to my left I can see the Ile des Embiez across the bay.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 02:59:25 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
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Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 03:03:01 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on December 18, 2023, 03:11:56 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
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Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
What he did was silly but having watched it a few times I think he was trying to calm their guy down and after being slapped away a few times he went a bit far and grabbed his chin to turn him around. Very silly but not the 'eye-gouging' that I've seen suggested in twitter.

Like a few others I am surprised he got a straight red but the Brentford centre half who had a forearm across Konsa throat pushing him into the net got nothing. The qwhole thing was a bit silly and largely came from the ref losing control after the Mee red card.
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Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 03:31:00 PM
Does anyone know where he now is with regards to future bookings and suspensions when the next phase begins. ie how many bookings until his next suspension and how many games will it be?

Four more bookings and at any time between now and the end of the season. 2 match ban as well when he reaches ten
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.

Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 18, 2023, 03:46:10 PM
Central and Eastern Europe, people mix Cola with bad red wine.
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Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 03:54:00 PM
Can't use coke as a mixer for anything, induces waves of nausea from a bad experience in my youth with Malibu.
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Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 04:03:03 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.

Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
The Germans are wont to order Pastis and Coca Cola when on holiday in France.

Savages.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 04:08:17 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.

Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
The Germans are wont to order Pastis and Coca Cola when on holiday in France.

Savages.

My ex wife was from eastern France (the Vosges) and round there the tourist-hatred of the locals was reserved for the Dutch, who swarm around there en masse every summer, towing their caravans, and bring all their food with them, ensuring they never eat out, and never really contribute to the local economy because they spend the whole time sat in their caravans, eating sugar on bread three times a day*.

(I always suspected she invented the sugar on bread thing for effect, but left it unchallenged, as I'd observed the dutch caravans element myself, which lead me to understand the local anger).




* and probably having lotsh of haat shecksh.
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Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 04:38:39 PM
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands. 
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2023, 04:48:21 PM
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands. 

Well as you said, you were 'on a trip'. Obviously when you 'came down' hundreds and thousands probably weren't so magical. #fussyjunkies
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Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.

Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.

How about cassis?
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Post by: Risso on December 18, 2023, 05:07:09 PM
I didn't know LeeB was Dutch.
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Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 05:07:57 PM
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands. 

Well as you said, you were 'on a trip'. Obviously when you 'came down' hundreds and thousands probably weren't so magical. #fussyjunkies

We were from a rough area but even so I don't think any of us were at that aged 10.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 05:10:53 PM
Can't use coke as a mixer for anything, induces waves of nausia from a bad experience in my youth with Malibu.

the snorted version is a great mixer...

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Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 05:41:36 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.

Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.

How about cassis?

Try asking for:

Un Ricard s'il vous plaît ! = Ricard.
Une tomate s'il vous plaît ! = Ricard +splash of grenadine syrup
Un perroquet... = Ricard + splash of mint syrup
Une mauresque.... = Ricard + splash of orgeat syrup
Une canisse... = Ricard + splash of  cassis syrup
Un pélican... = Ricard + splash of peach syrup
Un rourou... = Ricard + splash of fraise syrup
Un mazout*... = Ricard + Coke

Etc.

* 'mazout' is 'fuel oil', (see colour of Pastis when Coke is added).

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 05:46:01 PM
What’s with the quirky space before the exclamation marks?

Is that some sort of linguistic French muck?
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Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 05:48:58 PM
Yes. In French you put a space before colons, exclamation and question marks and sometimes semi-colons...
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Post by: SamTheMouse on December 18, 2023, 05:48:59 PM
What’s with the quirky space before the exclamation marks?

Is that some sort of linguistic French muck?

It is, and it's bloody annoying because French people are pathologically incapable of grasping that in English there's no space. So they go through my finished document and put all the spaces back. Twats!
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Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 05:50:09 PM
Ha! They do my head in with that.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 06:00:38 PM
I will take this opportunity to complain about Americans and non-Americans who want me to write like an American and their serial fucking clauses. Thank you.
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Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 07:24:26 PM
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands.

Hagelslag. I've got a couple of packets in the cupboard right now.

One of them is whole aniseeds covered in blue sugar. It's deeply, deeply unpleasant stuff.
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Post by: mike on December 18, 2023, 08:17:12 PM
I hope not it's poison.

*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.

Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.

That actually made me angry.

Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!

Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.

Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
The Germans are wont to order Pastis and Coca Cola when on holiday in France.

Savages.

Maybe they are under the misapprehension that’s what the French do as I had an opposite experience in Germany. I was in a bar when some English tourists came in and asked in English for a round of schnapps and coke, at which the barman brought them shot glasses full of schnapps and large glasses of coke. He asked me to explain why they weren’t happy and when I told him about the custom of mixing a small amount of coke with spirits, he was horrified.
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Post by: Bad English on December 18, 2023, 09:53:14 PM
No. I love Germans but they do have some weird and idiosyncratic habits.

Of course, I'm basing this on experience of close family and extending it to the entire population of the Bundesrepublik.
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Post by: mike on December 18, 2023, 10:16:06 PM
No. I love Germans but they do have some weird and idiosyncratic habits.

Of course, I'm basing this on experience of close family and extending it to the entire population of the Bundesrepublik.

Likewise, my experience is based on a sample of one.
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Post by: DrGonzo on December 22, 2023, 10:04:53 PM
You only realise how much he does when he isn't there to do it.  The link up play between defence and attack just isn't as fluid when he's out.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
You only realise how much he does when he isn't there to do it.  The link up play between defence and attack just isn't as fluid when he's out.

I think him and Pau are absolutely vital.
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Post by: Axl Rose on December 22, 2023, 10:10:01 PM
Without checking Google, is Bouba out for three?
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Post by: DrGonzo on December 22, 2023, 10:11:18 PM
yep (sad face)
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Post by: Mister E on December 22, 2023, 10:11:47 PM
Without checking Google, is Bouba out for three?
Yes - straight red.
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Post by: Axl Rose on December 22, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
Fucking hell.

Cheers chaps!
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Post by: DrGonzo on December 22, 2023, 10:15:01 PM
Sorry to disappoint.
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Post by: pablo_picasso on December 22, 2023, 10:55:08 PM
You only realise how much he does when he isn't there to do it.  The link up play between defence and attack just isn't as fluid when he's out.

I think him and Pau are absolutely vital.

This.

Absolutely key to us being able to play at a faster pace.

Making those beautifcul diagonal cross-field passes like Torres or making forward runs & simple passes from the CDM position is what makes players like Torres & Kamara elite level players.
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Post by: Monty on December 22, 2023, 10:55:57 PM
If he plays we win I think. McGinn gets further forward without concerns.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2023, 05:10:06 PM
Also we need cannot have McGinn taking up a deeper role. He needs to be given the freedom to attack them from a more advanced midfield position
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Post by: Ian. on December 23, 2023, 05:13:06 PM
Also we need cannot have McGinn taking up a deeper role. He needs to be given the freedom to attack them from a more advanced midfield position

Can Lenglet play this role? Someone mentioned he may have done before?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2023, 05:25:10 PM
Also we need cannot have McGinn taking up a deeper role. He needs to be given the freedom to attack them from a more advanced midfield position

Can Lenglet play this role? Someone mentioned he may have done before?

The option could be Lenglet keeping his spot and Torres stepping up into midfield.
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Post by: Bad English on December 24, 2023, 08:23:09 AM
I'm still a bit disappointed with our resident hardman, if I'm being honest. FFS!
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Post by: Villafirst on December 24, 2023, 09:08:03 AM
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!
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Post by: tomd2103 on December 24, 2023, 09:11:45 AM
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!

Angry?  I'm furious about it.  Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.
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Post by: Mister E on December 24, 2023, 10:25:58 AM
I did think after the SheffU game that Tim might have been worth playing in Kamara's role. When he debuted against Burnley (during the Scouse Fraud's tenure) he looked very assured in that role.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 24, 2023, 10:42:33 AM
I did think after the SheffU game that Tim might have been worth playing in Kamara's role. When he debuted against Burnley (during the Scouse Fraud's tenure) he looked very assured in that role.

I’d like to see him given a chance but it’s more likely to be The Donk, I would imagine, who would come in if anyone. Not seen much of Tim but think he’s a lot more athletic than Donk.
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Post by: manic-road on December 24, 2023, 11:36:26 AM
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!

Angry?  I'm furious about it.  Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.

Still furious after all these days after an event?
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Post by: Bad English on December 24, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/
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Post by: Exeter 77 on December 24, 2023, 12:54:59 PM
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/
I thought that was just me.
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Post by: LeeB on December 24, 2023, 01:13:32 PM
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/

Come on, he was clearly suffering from a recurrence of the knee injury, that's very harsh.
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Post by: OCD on December 26, 2023, 11:24:56 AM
I'm still furious at Nigel Worthington for not being able to do his job properly on one of the posts for a Man United set piece in 1993.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2023, 11:27:32 AM
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/

It’s amazing stuff like this. I remember being at that match really well having read this post but prior to this, genuinely would have forgotten it over three decades ago. 

Football.
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Post by: olaftab on December 26, 2023, 11:35:07 AM





I believe Macron is about to address the situation by the way of a Presidential statement apologising for the conduct of his citizen.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on December 27, 2023, 01:09:53 AM
For a bit of balance, Bouba could always try apologising for Macron's policies.
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Post by: tomd2103 on December 27, 2023, 01:22:11 AM
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!

Angry?  I'm furious about it.  Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.

Still furious after all these days after an event?

Can't say my mood on rhe subject has improved after that showing earlier.
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2023, 07:39:26 AM
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!

Angry?  I'm furious about it.  Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.

Still furious after all these days after an event?

Furious that he misses 3 games at a absolutely critical part of the season he means and I think you know that.

It was a stupid red and its cost us dearly in last two games
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Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2023, 09:07:35 AM
Yes. He said sorry for the red card on his Instagram and he will be forgiven for that if he comes back and inspires us to go on a barnstorming  2.8 points per game run to the title.*

*Maths and Stats experts, I just made that number up. Please don't start calculating.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 27, 2023, 11:00:09 AM
I genuinely think Martinez is more to blame for the red than Kamara. He leaves Maupay on the floor and it doesn't happen
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Emi apologised to Kamara on Instagram on the day.

Might try this apologising via social media thing with the Mrs. Every day, first thing I do, say sorry on Instagram. Could be both an apology in advance and a retrospective one as needed.
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Post by: VillaTim on December 27, 2023, 11:34:11 AM
I genuinely think Martinez is more to blame for the red than Kamara. He leaves Maupay on the floor and it doesn't happen
Yep , started a silly episode we didn't need , we were winning the game their only hope was cause some chaos . All so naive
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Post by: Villan82 on December 27, 2023, 12:05:02 PM
We have been a very disciplined team under Emery it is so frustrating that that ill-discipline at the end of the Brentford game (a team that seem to rile us up) has had so many repercussions.
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Post by: OCD on December 27, 2023, 12:16:23 PM
It's a lesson that they've had to learn. Emery wasn't impressed so you would hope they'll deal with it better the next time things get a bit feisty. And Kamara's only young. He can't be feeling good about missing these last 2 games and seeing the side drop points without him.
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Post by: Bad English on December 27, 2023, 12:42:10 PM
He will be too busy on holiday worshipping Jesus and having some sneaky pigs in blankets or something. ;-)
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Post by: VillaTim on December 27, 2023, 12:49:00 PM
He's probably in his homeland , feet up drinking Pernod and toking on Gallouisses
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2023, 06:28:08 AM
I genuinely think Martinez is more to blame for the red than Kamara. He leaves Maupay on the floor and it doesn't happen

More to blame is a stretch. Emi shouldn’t have started the whole thing, but Kamara is an adult and should have had more control.
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Post by: Ads on December 28, 2023, 11:35:06 AM
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.
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Post by: Axl Rose on December 28, 2023, 11:39:49 AM
He's a bit like our Rodri in that respect.
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Post by: olaftab on December 28, 2023, 11:43:17 AM
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.
Bugger. I didn’t realise he is such a huge jeopardy for us out of the team. So based on every strength is a weakness in equal measure Unai needs to develop a better option for next absence.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2023, 11:56:23 AM
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.
That is a serious stat.
But you can see why, the combination of him Luiz and SJM has been formidable.
Add Tielemans recent form and it’s a great midfield.
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Post by: Ads on December 28, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
It's also an incorrect stat, it's actually 6 wins in 17.
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Post by: Chris Smith on December 28, 2023, 12:06:21 PM
It's also an incorrect stat, it's actually 6 wins in 17.

I hadn’t realised quite how pivotal he is. His teammates clearly trust him to do his job and the midfield does seem to function better as a unit with him there. The only upside to him being out is that by the time he’s back he should be full revitalised for the rest of the season.
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Post by: eamonn on December 28, 2023, 12:21:58 PM
Do players get their pay docked if they get sent-off and suspended or did that go out with shin pads and white dog muck ? Seems unfair that you get Christmas off for being a div while your teammates toil and flail about without you.
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Post by: Dave on December 28, 2023, 12:31:26 PM
Do players get their pay docked if they get sent-off and suspended or did that go out with shin pads and white dog muck ? Seems unfair that you get Christmas off for being a div while your teammates toil and flail about without you.

There always used to be a standard FA fine, but it was the same fine whether you were a Premier League player or a Sunday league player.

I think most contracts have a financial penalty, but nothing that would really touch the sides for someone earning pretty much any wage in the top two / three division.
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Post by: Smithy on December 28, 2023, 12:33:33 PM
Do players get their pay docked if they get sent-off and suspended or did that go out with shin pads and white dog muck ? Seems unfair that you get Christmas off for being a div while your teammates toil and flail about without you.

There always used to be a standard FA fine, but it was the same fine whether you were a Premier League player or a Sunday league player.

I think most contracts have a financial penalty, but nothing that would really touch the sides for someone earning pretty much any wage in the top two / three division.

I remember reading years ago that we had a fine system for bookings and red cards, but only if they were given out for stuff like dissent, or a player losing his head.  Nothing for late tackles and so on.  Must be 20+ years ago mind.
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Post by: eamonn on December 28, 2023, 12:46:35 PM
Edit, wrong thread.
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Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2023, 08:36:02 AM
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.
Bugger. I didn’t realise he is such a huge jeopardy for us out of the team. So based on every strength is a weakness in equal measure Unai needs to develop a better option for next absence.

And we're all clamouring for another right back.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on December 29, 2023, 09:23:17 AM
He got injured against Palace last season and we drew the next game at West Ham before winning five on the spin. So while I don't deny he is brilliant and a crucial member of the side, most of the games we lost without him were under Gerrard. And we probably would have lost most of them without him too, unless we think Bouba could have saved Gerrard's job.
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Post by: AV84 on December 29, 2023, 09:37:29 AM
The two games Kamara has missed we were also missing Torres, which changes the back line completely. Then we have Ramsey and Diaby, neither of which are in great form at the moment. I don't think it's a case of Kamara being the sole reason we've had a draw and a loss.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2023, 12:44:29 PM
The two games Kamara has missed we were also missing Torres, which changes the back line completely. Then we have Ramsey and Diaby, neither of which are in great form at the moment. I don't think it's a case of Kamara being the sole reason we've had a draw and a loss.
Yes Torres was a huge loss as his inclusion  would have stopped Carlos acting like Father Christmas with the ball.
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Post by: john e on December 29, 2023, 01:14:21 PM
At least he shouldn’t be tired when he gets back
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 29, 2023, 07:28:16 PM
Well at least we know he'll be a starter in our FA Cup tie.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2023, 06:13:18 AM

He’s a good player in his own right but more so he makes the rest better too. Luiz and mcginn both have more freedom and possibly trust in the system when Kamara is sat behind them.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2023, 08:03:42 AM

He’s a good player in his own right but more so he makes the rest better too. Luiz and mcginn both have more freedom and possibly trust in the system when Kamara is sat behind them.
Agree, we have missed him.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 11, 2024, 07:36:23 PM
I’m just dreading the prospect of the club releasing a statement wishing him a speedy recovery. It’d be nice if just for once this was just a minor thing that will resolve itself in a couple of days.
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Post by: DrGonzo on February 11, 2024, 07:46:43 PM
Worryingly he was rubbing the back of his knee/top of his calf when he came off.  Hopefully just a muscle strain and he got hooked because he wasn't playing at his best and we wanted to introduce greater attacking threat.  Could at worst be a knee ligament which would be a season ending injury but didn't look that serious to me.  Fingers firmly crossed.
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Post by: OCD on February 11, 2024, 07:49:08 PM
How many times have we thought it didn't look serious and they're out for a lengthy spell?
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Post by: DrGonzo on February 11, 2024, 07:55:13 PM
Indeed, and I'm only guessing from my years of getting beaten up playing rugby.  It didn't look like ligament damage from his reaction more likely calf strain..? I'm trying to stay positive buddy we need a few good results and some energy to see us through to the end of this season.
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Post by: Steve67 on February 11, 2024, 10:05:46 PM
The replay looked like he'd twisted his knee at an awkward angle.  I hope he's ok and back for next week. 
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Post by: AV82EC on February 11, 2024, 10:50:10 PM
My guess is he’s tweaked the knee soft tissue but we’ll see.
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Post by: VillaTim on February 11, 2024, 11:00:55 PM
The replay looked like he'd twisted his knee at an awkward angle.  I hope he's ok and back for next week.
Knowing our track record he'll be out for the season
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Post by: Villafirst on February 11, 2024, 11:07:42 PM
These injuries are really mounting up. I hope it's nothing to do with his knee ligaments, but you fear the worst especially after Emi Buendia and Tyrone Mings' season ending injuries.
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Post by: AV82EC on February 11, 2024, 11:11:35 PM
These injuries are really mounting up. I hope it's nothing to do with his knee ligaments, but you fear the worst especially after Emi Buendia and Tyrone Mings' season ending injuries.

Nah he just seemed to twist a bit there was no folding or hyperextension. Hopefully just a tweak.
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Post by: Rigadon on February 12, 2024, 09:29:50 AM
He was back at it yesterday, winning 50/50s and not giving the ball away.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 12, 2024, 09:31:18 AM
Initial concerns are MCL strain - hes being scanned today
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Post by: London Villan on February 12, 2024, 09:35:35 AM
He was great yesterday and made plenty of runs through their non-existent midfield. Let's hope it's not serious.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 12, 2024, 09:39:48 AM
So that’s his season over then.
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Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 09:40:52 AM
So that’s his season over then.
probably
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Post by: Rigadon on February 12, 2024, 09:48:03 AM
We need a bit of luck here don't we...
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Post by: AV82EC on February 12, 2024, 09:51:11 AM
If it’s a mild tweak 2-4 weeks, if he’s torn it then much longer, depends on the severity. I didn’t think it looked that bad but of course until the scan we won’t know.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2024, 09:54:31 AM
Fucking hell.

Here lies the folly of having a small (in terms of experience) squad.
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Post by: darren woolley on February 12, 2024, 09:54:43 AM
He played really well yesterday.
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:01:29 AM
Lots of still photos on Twitter this morning that really don't look very good at all.
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Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 10:04:23 AM
I'm not surprised. It's just the way things have been.
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Post by: LukeJames on February 12, 2024, 10:05:43 AM
If he's out long I'd much rather we use Tim (the player, not the poster) rather than dropping McGinn or Tielemans back there.
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:07:34 AM
If he's out long I'd much rather we use Tim (the player, not the poster) rather than dropping McGinn or Tielemans back there.

It's definitely not a position for Tielemans. He's got quality, but he looks to me like a 34 year old who was brilliant once, and is now slowing down and in the final year of his contract. Rather than the 26 year old he actually is.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2024, 10:08:49 AM
Me too. A bit of Bazball arrogance/trust in the inexperienced players is needed rather than shuffling the whole pack.
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Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 10:10:31 AM
If it's longer term I think McGinn is our best option in that role.  I thought it would be Tielemans, but McGinn is the only one I'd trust to play there now and he did a good job at the end of last season.

Now that Ramsey looks to be getting back to form we can just about cope with moving SJM.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 10:12:52 AM
Pure guess work, but the fact he walked off and the way he was moving looked MCL or ACL to me. Clearly I hope I’m way off the mark and it’s just a painful tweak, but if not hopefully it’s the former.

If he’s out for any extended period of time it’s a bit of a hammer blow to our hopes.
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Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 10:23:33 AM
Bailey's becoming a key player and Ramsey looked like he's starting to find his form again. So I would use them with McGinn and Luiz in the middle. I thought Diaby looked better too, just lacking in end product.
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Post by: brontebilly on February 12, 2024, 11:23:10 AM
If it's longer term I think McGinn is our best option in that role.  I thought it would be Tielemans, but McGinn is the only one I'd trust to play there now and he did a good job at the end of last season.

Now that Ramsey looks to be getting back to form we can just about cope with moving SJM.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul? McGinn taking ball off the back always worries me. That bum roll is far more dangerous in the opposition half. Id give Tim a go at Fulham and leave McGinn where he is.

Tielemans can't run or tackle so is a liability next to Luiz like he was at Bournemouth.
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Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2024, 11:24:25 AM
Got to give Tim the chance now, no point moving McGinn and Tielemans is useless in our own half.
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Post by: eamonn on February 12, 2024, 11:33:54 AM
Kamara's balance and control of the ball yesterday was a sight to behold. He still has frequent brain-farts in him but he is such a lovely footballer, especially considering he's meant to do more off-the-ball work than any of our other midfielders.
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Post by: aev on February 12, 2024, 11:36:21 AM
Got to give Tim the chance now, no point moving McGinn and Tielemans is useless in our own half.

Agree, we won't ever know if he is good enough unless we give him a go in what appears to be his best position.

He could end up saving us a fortune.
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Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 11:48:31 AM
Maybe we won't but hopefully the coaching staff can see in training whether he warrants a start over the likes of Ramsey or Tielemans.
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 12:02:36 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
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Post by: john2710 on February 12, 2024, 12:04:03 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 12:07:18 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 12, 2024, 12:10:22 PM
Got to give Tim the chance now, no point moving McGinn and Tielemans is useless in our own half.

Agree.  The others just aren't suited to that role and it weakens us in other areas as well. 
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 12:11:08 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.

Relax dear. god 😂😂😂
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Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 12:11:15 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.
looks like he slipped / lost his footing on the grass. Do they water the pitch too much ??
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 12:11:46 PM
Worrying if true
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Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 12:14:21 PM
Worrying if true
what ?
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 12:18:00 PM
Rumours are that both Konsa and Kamara have done their ACL. Obviously it's Twitter bollocks, but unfortunately for us, injuries are the only time that Twitter ever gets anything right.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 12:20:01 PM
It’d be very weird if Konsa has, the way he got injured didn’t look anything like how an ACL gets done.

I could believe it with Kamara, which would be horrendous for him and us. If it is a ligament I really hope it’s MCL.
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Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2024, 12:21:31 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.

Do you walk off with an ACL injury severe enough to be out for the season?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 12:23:46 PM
You can do yeah.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 12:25:36 PM
That’s part of the problem with them - you can think you’re not too badly injured initially. As I say if it turns out to be ligament I really hope it’s MCL. That’s still 6 weeks or so I think, depending on severity, but it’s far less serious.
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Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 12:27:56 PM
FFS
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 12:29:41 PM
Worrying if true
what ?

On social media its being reported ACL injury for kamara
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 12:31:00 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.

Thats what worries me its only think twatter rumours  get right 😪
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Post by: AV82EC on February 12, 2024, 12:31:34 PM
Social media taking the most catastrophic view of both injuries. Whatever….
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Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2024, 12:49:28 PM
If it's an ACL it will be a proper kick in the gut.  We can probably shuffle the 11 to cover that position without too much of a drop off in quality now that JJ is back fit, but honestly, we have zero depth in midfield at that point. It's an opportunity for Tim to come in and shine.  If Kobbie Mainoo can have a run of games at 18, let's see what Tim can do at 20?

Has any premier league side ever dealt with 3 ACL injuries in one season?
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Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2024, 12:57:02 PM
4 as they are throwing Konsa only having his scan for the check of his knee injury today.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 12:58:03 PM
If it's an ACL it will be a proper kick in the gut.  We can probably shuffle the 11 to cover that position without too much of a drop off in quality now that JJ is back fit, but honestly, we have zero depth in midfield at that point. It's an opportunity for Tim to come in and shine.  If Kobbie Mainoo can have a run of games at 18, let's see what Tim can do at 20?

Has any premier league side ever dealt with 3 ACL injuries in one season?

Nah Kamara can’t be covered without a massive drop sadly.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 12:58:42 PM
4 as they are throwing Konsa only having his scan for the check of his knee injury today.

That just doesn’t make any sense to me.
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Post by: Ads on February 12, 2024, 01:05:15 PM
Wouldn't that make sense to scan when swelling etc has subsided?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 01:07:16 PM
I’d be surprised if Emery would have put a pretty specific timeframe on it if they hadn’t scanned.
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Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 01:11:45 PM
Worrying if true
what ?

On social media its being reported ACL injury for kamara
just our luck this
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 01:21:11 PM
Worrying if true
what ?

On social media its being reported ACL injury for kamara
just our luck this

I know mate. Hopefully its just some kid bored making shit up online. We can only hope
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Post by: aj2k77 on February 12, 2024, 01:32:55 PM
Let's not kid ourselves, it's Villa, this will be a minimum of a few months out.
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Post by: TonyD on February 12, 2024, 01:34:35 PM
We are knee deep in knee shit. 
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Post by: astonvilla82 on February 12, 2024, 02:07:04 PM
Social media taking the most catastrophic view of both injuries. Whatever….
I Google social media if I got health issues, according to them I died years ago
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Post by: Hookeysmith on February 12, 2024, 03:21:59 PM
Social media taking the most catastrophic view of both injuries. Whatever….
I Google social media if I got health issues, according to them I died years ago

RIP
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Post by: Rigadon on February 12, 2024, 03:22:55 PM
When are we likely to know the extent of this injury?
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Post by: Beard82 on February 12, 2024, 03:23:47 PM
When we have seen the obituary
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Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2024, 03:30:13 PM
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 03:45:40 PM
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.

Agreed. Assuming Kamara is out for a while now, I'd say this is how I'd line up:

Martinez

Cash Carlos Torres Digne/Moreno

McGinn Luiz Iroegbunam Ramsey

Bailey Watkins
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 04:03:47 PM
I mean three ACLs in a season it doesnt get much worse than that IF true
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Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2024, 04:06:18 PM
Just to wind back a little, it's not being 'reported on social media' it's 1 account with a pretty iffy record on injuries that captured a still frame of the match and said it looked like an ACL injury. Pretty much everything stems from that 1 report.

For what it's worth the image makes it look a lot worse than it does in video, when you see it in real time it looks like a small degree of lateral hyperflexion (or the knee bending to the side slightly more than you'd normally expect). At worst I'd guess a grade 2 MCL which would be 4-6weeks, more likely nothing serious or a grade 1 which would be 3weeks-ish.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on February 12, 2024, 04:35:41 PM
Cheers, Paul, I feel slightly less sick after reading that!
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 12, 2024, 04:38:03 PM
We all know McGinn and Luiz in the middle doesn't really work so if the worst happens I would much rather Tim be given a go. I know history tells us Emery won't do this but I'd like it given a good go.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on February 12, 2024, 04:47:53 PM
Cheers, Paul, I feel slightly less sick after reading that!

Have a feeling we might all be feeling a bit more sick when the issue is announced.
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Post by: john e on February 12, 2024, 04:49:49 PM
Even if he’s only out for up to 6 weeks it’s still a big blow to our top 4 hopes
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Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2024, 04:54:30 PM
Just to wind back a little, it's not being 'reported on social media' it's 1 account with a pretty iffy record on injuries that captured a still frame of the match and said it looked like an ACL injury. Pretty much everything stems from that 1 report.

For what it's worth the image makes it look a lot worse than it does in video, when you see it in real time it looks like a small degree of lateral hyperflexion (or the knee bending to the side slightly more than you'd normally expect). At worst I'd guess a grade 2 MCL which would be 4-6weeks, more likely nothing serious or a grade 1 which would be 3weeks-ish.

There is a second account from a Villa Social Media / Podcaster who is the also saying it and adding the Konsa scan news as well. He might be lifting the Kamara story because of the account you mentioned, but surprised he decided that Konsa needed a week for a scan, even with swelling, but Kamara gets one straight away.

TBH, we will know either way by the end of the week.
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Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2024, 04:56:52 PM
Even if he’s only out for up to 6 weeks it’s still a big blow to our top 4 hopes

I'm not so sure. We lost Kamara AND Torres after Brentford. We got Kamara back three games later and saw no improvement in form (Sheffield away being the only exception). I think Torres has been the bigger blow at the moment.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 12, 2024, 05:01:48 PM
Apart from yesterday Kamara has been pretty average for a few weeks.  Put Tim in.
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Post by: Paul.S on February 12, 2024, 05:03:06 PM
I genuinely wonder how anyone would know what the injury is.
Is it based on an image or has there been a leak from the club? I don’t see how you can diagnose an injury from an image
although he did put his hand up for attention straight away after doing it.
It’s Villa though so I expect the worst but pray it’s good news.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 12, 2024, 05:12:58 PM
We all know McGinn and Luiz in the middle doesn't really work so if the worst happens I would much rather Tim be given a go. I know history tells us Emery won't do this but I'd like it given a good go.

I’d agree. Give Tim a few games to see how he gets on but I’ll be surprised if Emery does.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2024, 05:16:30 PM
I genuinely wonder how anyone would know what the injury is.
Is it based on an image or has there been a leak from the club? I don’t see how you can diagnose an injury from an image
although he did put his hand up for attention straight away after doing it.
It’s Villa though so I expect the worst but pray it’s good news.

As you said, it is Villa and it seems to be that it always turns out to be worse than it looks for us.

What next?

We’ll probably find out that the reason Unai touches his face so much during interviews isn’t because it’s a sort of nervous thing, it’s actually because he has stage 4 face cancer.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on February 12, 2024, 05:17:44 PM
Confirmed ACL tear
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Post by: enigma on February 12, 2024, 05:18:58 PM
The Athletic are now saying it's his ACL and out for the season.
https://theathletic.com/5269289/2024/02/12/boubacar-kamara-injury-news-aston-villa-acl/
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 12, 2024, 05:19:09 PM
Ugh
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Post by: Paul.S on February 12, 2024, 05:19:19 PM
FFS!!!!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 05:20:12 PM
Of course it is. Get well soon Kamara.
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Post by: Beard82 on February 12, 2024, 05:20:27 PM
Looks like offical sites confirmed it
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Post by: andyh on February 12, 2024, 05:20:38 PM
Club admitting it’s bad without saying it

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/february/12/boubacar-kamara-injury-update/
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Post by: Dave P on February 12, 2024, 05:20:52 PM
I'm just speechless.
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Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2024, 05:22:04 PM
FFS three key first team players, in one season.

All the best to him. Wishing for a full and speedy recovery.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on February 12, 2024, 05:24:18 PM
Getting rid of Dendoncker was a ridiculous decision. Yes, he's limited and nowhere near Kamara's class but he is the only midfielder we have who can play the role. When Kamara got injured at a similar stage of last season, Dendoncker came in and played in four or five straight wins.

Now we're left with an untried kid or a square peg in a round hole.

As an aside, there is no guarantee that a player recovers their form at all after an ACL. So if we need to suddenly replace Mings, Buendia and Kamara unexpectedly because of that, it makes the FFP rules all the more unfair. At the very least, the value of those players could significantly fall.

Get well soon Bouba, we'll fecking miss you!
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Post by: Olneythelonely on February 12, 2024, 05:24:32 PM
3 (so far) ACL injuries in 6 months. You couldn’t make this shit up.
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Post by: Ger Regan on February 12, 2024, 05:25:10 PM
Christ, that's a disaster. Sink or swim time for Tim, i don't like the idea of McGinn, Tielemans or Luiz in that role.
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Post by: Ads on February 12, 2024, 05:25:18 PM
He's not, Tim is. Emery backed Tim and we may well have needed to back him or face a points deduction, such is life.

3 first team players with an ACL is unheard of.
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Post by: enigma on February 12, 2024, 05:25:25 PM
Keep seeing these rumours that Konsa has done his too. Hope to fuck that's not true.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2024, 05:25:36 PM
I don’t want to hear anyone ever talk about Spurs or Newcastle injuries. Fuck off. Miserable fucking luck all season. How we have got this far despite it all is incredible. I know we all get a bit fired up at times but we have been so impacted by every long term injuries to key players. And we don’t have the depth of quality enjoyed by the likes of the top 3 or even Spurs, Man U who have built over many years with CL players and money.
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Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2024, 05:26:11 PM
I was wrong then, I just can't see how he's done anything serious no matter how much I watch it, shit news, 3 ACLs across the squad in a single season is awful luck.
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 05:26:42 PM
Jesus wept. It looked like it was going to be a bad one from that photo doing the rounds, and our worst fears are confirmed. It also proves that Twitter is always bang on when it comes to bloody Villa injuries.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 05:27:13 PM
I don’t share others views that we can shuffle the deck and basically more or less cover the loss. Kamara is uniquely excellent within our squad, this is an absolutely catastrophic blow to our chances.

3 ACLs to key first team squad players is just ridiculous, suspect it won’t get the same coverage as Spurs having some absences for a few months.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on February 12, 2024, 05:27:34 PM
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.

Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.
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Post by: Paul.S on February 12, 2024, 05:27:47 PM
I’ve never heard anything like this.
Let’s hope it’s only another 3 weeks for Konsa because we really are thin on the ground now.
A massive loss but one we’ll have to live with and a chance for young Tim to come in and show us what he’s got.
Maybe a total tactical rethink from Emery now.
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Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2024, 05:30:07 PM
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.

Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.

I'd rather use the players we have than Dendoncker.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 12, 2024, 05:30:51 PM
I don’t share others views that we can shuffle the deck and basically more or less cover the loss. Kamara is uniquely excellent within our squad, this is an absolutely catastrophic blow to our chances.

3 ACLs to key first team squad players is just ridiculous, suspect it won’t get the same coverage as Spurs having some absences for a few months.
Absolute nightmare, our problems started with his sending off and we really did not cope well without him.
What a shit weekend.
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Post by: manic-road on February 12, 2024, 05:31:40 PM
Kamara will be a big miss, the three game ban he got at Christmas showed how integral he was to the team and results dipped in his absence.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on February 12, 2024, 05:32:03 PM
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.

Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.

I'd rather use the players we have than Dendoncker.

Well like I said, he deputised last season just fine. I don't see how loaning him out helps in this situation, it's a specialist position and he plays it. None of our other players do.
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Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 05:33:02 PM
Absolute choker this is.

Is this something to do with or pitch?  There is plastic grass woven in with the real grass - are studs catching?
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Post by: Ads on February 12, 2024, 05:33:37 PM
Again, Tim does.
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Post by: Villafirst on February 12, 2024, 05:35:30 PM
It's not definitely an ACL, it could be an MCL, although it's still not good at all.
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Post by: Gareth on February 12, 2024, 05:35:31 PM
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.

Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.

I'd rather use the players we have than Dendoncker.

Is my view too, dendoncker was a desperately poor signing, a couple of decent games and a lot of very poor ones…give Tim his head, we have
To be braver with using youngsters…the likes of Mainoo and Miley are thriving and their fans probably moaned about them being given a game initially.
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Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 05:36:00 PM
Absolute choker this is.

Is this something to do with or pitch?  There is plastic grass woven in with the real grass - are studs catching?

Buendia was in training though (ie BMH), and Mings was away at Newcastle.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 05:38:16 PM
Again, Tim does.

It’s a huge leap from him playing a couple of minutes to being a completely pivotal player. Hopefully he can, but I’d be amazed if he’s anywhere near Kamara’s level in that position.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 12, 2024, 05:40:44 PM
Now we're left with an untried kid or a square peg in a round hole.

In this case, untried kid gets my vote every time. The square peg in a round hole just takes too much away from us.

Gutted for Bouba and it looks like he'll only be back for pre-season.
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 05:40:54 PM
I do want to look into how many ACL injuries emerys teams have had at his previous clubs
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: Ads on February 12, 2024, 05:41:23 PM
If I was Tim, amazing you would be somewhere on my list of priorities. If he's going to be a player now is the time to take his chance and his career, by the balls.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 12, 2024, 05:41:37 PM
No time like the present for Tim, the next two games v Fulham and Forest really could not be much better, for giving him games from the start.
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Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2024, 05:42:36 PM
We'll find out soon enough.

I suspect we will see McGinn and Luiz. Chambers may get a go. We could play a different way, a 3-4-2-1 or 3-5-2.

If there's any manager we've had in recent history I'd trust to do something about it, well Emery is the one.
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Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2024, 05:42:56 PM
Yeah, give him a go now. That's why he let the Donk go after all.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Keeno on February 12, 2024, 05:44:57 PM
Absolutely gutted for him. Will be one of the hardest players in the squad to replace.

That said - with a few cameos from McGinn and Tielemans in that role, it’s Tim’s shirt now, I hope. Now’s your chance to make it at the top level lad. Could be a blessing in disguise of sorts.

But I do think overall we have to temper our expectations a bit for the season now.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 12, 2024, 05:45:05 PM
I’ll be a bit pissed off if Tim isn’t given a go tbh.
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Post by: supertom on February 12, 2024, 05:47:50 PM
I wonder if we might change the system slightly. More of a mid-3 rather than the double pivot. I know Bouba has been hot and cold of late but it's a big ask for Tim to do his job. I don't think Tielemens can do it either. You could possibly have Douglas switch to Bouba's role and Youri take Dougs but you then stifle Dougies forward play slightly.

This is a nightmare. If we were in a good run it's a little less of a problem but we really haven't been good since beating City and Arsenal and Sheff Utd doesn't count.

We do need to be rotating more too because some of our main men are being run ragged. The trouble is we're getting low on suitable options with so many injuries.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 05:48:08 PM
Emery must be cursed

Mings kamara and buendia and maybe konsa (not confirmed) all out with ACLs

At arsenal holding and bellerin both suffered ACL injuries when he was there

At villareal alberto moreno was out with ACL too
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Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 05:48:13 PM
I'd be really surprised if Tim starts when we're under huge pressure to get some points on the board.  Surely it has to be McGinn?
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Post by: Keeno on February 12, 2024, 05:50:15 PM
I'd be really surprised if Tim starts when we're under huge pressure to get some points on the board.  Surely it has to be McGinn?

I just think about Unai saying all season that we’re still building this team, and having this opportunity to play him (especially with the fixtures coming up) and see if he’s got it long term, it does make sense.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2024, 05:50:49 PM
Mcginn is not a defensive midfielder though. If anyone, Luiz will play there if he dosent give Tim a run out.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 05:52:04 PM
I have a feeling we might also use chambers there
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 05:56:21 PM
Mcginn is not a defensive midfielder though. If anyone, Luiz will play there if he dosent give Tim a run out.
McGinn did it last season didn't he?  And yes, of course Luiz has to adapt accordingly.

As for Chambers - I think you need a sit down DC.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 12, 2024, 05:56:48 PM
Gutted for Bouba.
But please do not play McGinn there. His performances a year or so ago when he was plugged into that hole, lead to fans calling for him to be moved on. Go for broke and stick Tim in there…. If it takes a couple of games to get him up to speed, so be it.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 05:58:03 PM
Mcginn is not a defensive midfielder though. If anyone, Luiz will play there if he dosent give Tim a run out.
McGinn did it last season didn't he?  And yes, of course Luiz has to adapt accordingly.

As for Chambers - I think you need a sit down DC.

ergh chris dont get me wrong i agree with you. Chambers is shit but unai has played him there. I for one DO NOT WANT chambers but with the small swuad we may not have a choice
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2024, 06:00:11 PM
Lenglet? Can pass a ball to be fair
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 12, 2024, 06:00:39 PM
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2024, 06:01:36 PM
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.

This.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 12, 2024, 06:04:45 PM
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.

This.
I think we are going to have to.;
Hope the lad is up to it.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: aj2k77 on February 12, 2024, 06:08:28 PM
Chambers is shit, if he's the screen to a defense already missing a load of players then we'll fall apart the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 06:10:46 PM
McGinn played alongside Luiz for 6 or 7 games in the second half of last season, with Luiz moving a bit deeper.  It worked ok.  He also played there when Kamara was suspended a few weeks ago and has moved back late in games following subs a few times.  I think he'll either do that or possibly try the same with Tielemans. 

I'd like to see Tim get gametime, but chucking him in to start feels very risky to me.

Either way it will be interesting to see how we cope.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: wolfman999 on February 12, 2024, 06:19:50 PM
Jeez. If we didn't have bad luck, we would have no luck at all. Fingers crossed, it may turn out to be not as bad as it seems but it didn't look good. No doubt, the pundits will be making plenty of sympathetic comments like they did for Noocastle and Spurz if our form dips still further.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Olof's Beard on February 12, 2024, 06:22:49 PM
McGinn played alongside Luiz for 6 or 7 games in the second half of last season, with Luiz moving a bit deeper.

He didn't, Dendocker played. This was the team that beat Newcastle 3-0 in Kamara's absence:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65217805

Dougie is the best bet but we've seen him move up several levels since he was given freedom further forward. It stifles him to drop him deeper and McGinn just isn't cut out for the role at all.

I agree with others that we have to throw Tim in.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PhilVill on February 12, 2024, 06:26:37 PM
Tim's big chance, good luck son, we've all got your back.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2024, 06:27:24 PM
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.

This.

I bet he doesn’t do this.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 06:28:24 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Rigadon on February 12, 2024, 06:30:22 PM
Course. 
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Scovilla on February 12, 2024, 06:42:24 PM
Terrible blow. As said before Tim's big chance..
Come on young man. Take your chance.
Utv
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: wince on February 12, 2024, 06:43:47 PM
Fuck my old boots. All I can say.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 12, 2024, 06:53:49 PM
Huge blow no doubt about it. Depending on the news on Konsa, we may as supporters have to start adjusting our expectations?

I tend to think Emery will be like horses for courses, he was a bit like that last year. Donk played against newcastle but didnt appear much more after we lost to man utd away. Might be that Tim plays some games but not others, depending on the attributes that Emery see’s in the opposition.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: frank black on February 12, 2024, 06:57:43 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2024, 07:13:46 PM
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.
Nothing I've read / heard changes my previous opinion.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 12, 2024, 07:14:30 PM
Whenever a player goes off injured just expect them to be either out for several months or the season.

It's becoming the really tiring norm lately.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2024, 07:23:46 PM
In the entire premier league season last year, there were a grand total of four ACLs injuries.  Five in the year before that.  We've had three all on our own this season.

We're owed some seriously excellent luck right about now, right?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 12, 2024, 07:30:20 PM
JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST.

It can't just be bad luck. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on February 12, 2024, 07:34:15 PM
Fucking spiders! Awful news. Unai deserves a Knighthood if he steers us to the top four with this God awful luck.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 07:36:48 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: frank black on February 12, 2024, 07:46:42 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor




It’s not a factor. They have to run about, tackle and change direction it’s generally required as part of the role. If they were breaking down with some type of injury linked to being worked too hard then fair enough.  But ACLs aren’t that type of injury
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2024, 08:02:10 PM
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.

Agreed. Assuming Kamara is out for a while now, I'd say this is how I'd line up:

Martinez

Cash Carlos Torres Digne/Moreno

McGinn Luiz Iroegbunam Ramsey

Bailey Watkins

A saving grace is this team looks good.  Having the unknown quantity of Tim should focus the other players’ minds and, I hope, galvanise the crowd.  Ramsey adds a bit of defensive grunt compared to Zaniola and Tielemans.  The bench has a bit of quality and variety too.


There’s fuck all float until Buendia and Duran are back though.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 08:05:49 PM
Kamara has had absolutely shocking luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 12, 2024, 08:06:27 PM
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.

This would be my preference. Gutted for Bouba, and the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - Signed
Post by: john2710 on February 12, 2024, 08:13:35 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Was he? You know for a fact that the injury was the result of over training?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 12, 2024, 08:20:52 PM
Jeepers Demitri, that’s utter detritus you’re spouting.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 08:25:45 PM
Jeepers Demitri, that’s utter detritus you’re spouting.

Eh ?

I take it you have the data to prove me wrong ?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2024, 08:27:14 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 08:28:17 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Goldenballs on February 12, 2024, 08:33:03 PM
What a fucking disaster. What's our record without him in the team, anyone know? Sure I saw that it was pretty dismal but can't find the stat to back that up.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Villa Lew on February 12, 2024, 08:33:37 PM
Terrible news absolutely gutted for him.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2024, 08:33:43 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

ACL injuries are dynamic, traumatic injuries. You've offered no data to back up your assertion that overtraining , or inappropriate training , whatever,, is a potential risk factor for ACL injuries in elite athletes. Find me a peer-reviewed medical or sports journal that suggests it is.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2024, 08:38:45 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2024, 08:38:58 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


You can't prove a negative. No one can prove it has nothing to do with the training regime any more than I can't prove it's not because a witch put a curse on our overly sweaty tops. 

What you CAN do, is make and argument FOR something, with supporting evidence.  There have been more ACL injuries this year, across the game, generally speaking.  I've no idea why. It could just be a statistical anomaly. It could be something else entirely.  The chances of being related to coaching are slim to none - as others have said, if the players were being 'overworked' to the point of failure, there are LOADS of things that would go long before an ACL.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Gareth on February 12, 2024, 08:42:10 PM
As two of the ACLs were in games I’m not sure there could be a direct link to training…though I’m sure I read that they are doing studies into ACLs with particular focus on the women’s game as they had loads in the last couple of years. 

Guess they will look at training as part of that but also the way the pitches are absolutely saturated, the protection given or not from the boots, whether the ball is too light to give resistance.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 12, 2024, 08:42:28 PM
We've lost three players of widely differing physiques that play completely different positions. If it was down to the training we'd be losing players of one type, surely?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: olaftab on February 12, 2024, 08:46:32 PM
Saying 3 ACL’s for 3 different players over several months is impossible or unheard of is nonsense and statistically has no base. It’s an open ended possibility with many inputs and outputs and enormous levels of variability in the object concerned, that being the athlete. It is total conjecture and absolute piffle to focus on anything the club or players are doing wrong.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 08:53:31 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.

Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2024, 08:56:27 PM
It can.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: olaftab on February 12, 2024, 08:58:26 PM
Anyway it’s a great opportunity for Tim to step up and establish himself in the first XI.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2024, 09:00:18 PM
Anyway it’s a great opportunity for Tim to step up and establish himself in the first XI.

I'd like to think thats the way Emery will go, but I suspect we will see McGinn shoehorned back into the middle
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: The Edge on February 12, 2024, 09:02:28 PM
At least if I ever get a problem with my acl I'll know where to come   
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 12, 2024, 09:03:37 PM
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.

If only our players were as averse to ACL injuries as you are to using apostrophes.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: BC54 VFC on February 12, 2024, 09:06:35 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Well, actually, it isn't.

Last season, Arsenal Women suffered four ACL injuries within six months from November 2022 to May 2023 being, in chronological order: Beth Mead, Vivianne Miedema, Leah Williamson and Laura Wienroither. 
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2024, 09:06:39 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.

Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.

You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted.  See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 09:11:59 PM
Apart from BC54s data about the womens game injuries last season no one else has really provided much data to show me there isnt a chance all im hearing is opinions not facts

Its pointless carrying this topic ive said my bit and i stand by it that there could be a chance until i see solid evidence that its impossible. None of us know for sure.Lets just move on im sure everyone is fed up of the last few pages!

Just hope kams doing ok mentally. Its so heart breaking 💔
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 09:12:49 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.

Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.

You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted.  See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.

Your last paragraph is so wierd  😂
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Steve67 on February 12, 2024, 09:13:53 PM
What a massive blow and a real shame for the player himself.  Would be against that lot and in a match that finished in those circumstances to compound matters.  The term 'significant' is a huge concern.  Are we thinking he's out until Christmas or just for the rest of the season?  Surely will miss pre-season. 
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2024, 09:16:20 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.

Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.

You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted.  See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.

Your last paragraph is so wierd  😂

Not really. All the groups mentioned advance crackpot theories and when asked for the reasoning behind their assertion fall back on "prove I'm wrong then".
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 12, 2024, 09:16:34 PM
wonder what this means tactically? McGinn or Tielemens move deeper in midfield? Not great.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 09:19:06 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.

Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.

You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted.  See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.

Your last paragraph is so wierd  😂

Not really. All the groups mentioned advance crackpot theories and when asked for the reasoning behind their assertion fall back on "prove I'm wrong then".

Ive never heard of any of them groups yet you have so im not sure how u can call me a crackpot 😂

Not sure what on earth this has to do with our great club
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2024, 09:19:41 PM
Apart from BC54s data about the womens game injuries last season no one else has really provided much data to show me there isnt a chance all im hearing is opinions not facts

Its pointless carrying this topic ive said my bit and i stand by it that there could be a chance until i see solid evidence that its impossible. None of us know for sure.Lets just move on im sure everyone is fed up of the last few pages!

Just hope kams doing ok mentally. Its so heart breaking 💔

You will never - literally never - see evidence "that it's impossible". Because that's not how evidence works. You can't prove a negative. It's logically impossible.  For the same reason our legal system requires the prosecution to prove the accused did something, rather than the defence proving they didn't.

You have a theory, and that's fine, but you need to present some evidence for it.  Right now, your position of "I believe it's related to the coaching, and will continue to believe that unless someone can prove it isn't" is as logically convincing as "I believe it's related to a witches curse, and will continue to believe that unless someone can prove it isn't"
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2024, 09:24:47 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right though

Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.

How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.

How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence

Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor


Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be


Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect

Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)

Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link

No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.

Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?

Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.

You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted.  See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.

Your last paragraph is so wierd  😂

Not really. All the groups mentioned advance crackpot theories and when asked for the reasoning behind their assertion fall back on "prove I'm wrong then".

Ive never heard of any of them groups yet you have so im not sure how u can call me a crackpot 😂

Not sure what on earth this has to do with our great club

Well, you seem to be making the unfounded assertion that by far the best manager we've had in recent memory is somehow to blame for our crushingly bad luck in suffering 3 ACL injuries because he's training them too hard, or something . Talk about making the worst of a crap situation.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 12, 2024, 09:25:53 PM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Steve67 on February 12, 2024, 09:27:53 PM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?

Oh, go on then! :-)
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: danno on February 12, 2024, 09:28:43 PM
I think it might just be that the more minutes you play the more likely you are to pick up an injury.

Quote

Villa have used 27 players in the Premier League this season, which is about average and similar to United and Spurs, but their outfield players have played more minutes in all competitions and been rotated less - the least in the Premier League in fact.

Outfield players to have played more than 1,800 minutes in 2023-24
Aston Villa (10)   John McGinn (2,884), Ezri Konsa (2,823), Douglas Luiz (2,759), Ollie Watkins (2,711), Boubacar Kamara (2,410), Matty Cash (2,239), Moussa Diaby (2,055), Lucas Digne (2,022), Pau Torres (1,831), Leon Bailey (1,810)


Of those ten, we have lost four of those to injury recently.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2024, 09:28:44 PM
He limps off with hurty foot, now out for the season, of course he is.

If we didn't get bad luck we'd get no luck at all.

Might be the making of TimI this, cometh the hour and all that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: villa for life on February 12, 2024, 09:28:48 PM
Tough on Kamara. I think we can cope though and may even garner more points.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2024, 09:28:51 PM
Bloody hell, I was hoping this was just a slight knock. Get one fit and lose another. It’s been a very tough couple of seasons hasn’t it regarding long term injuries?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: caster troy on February 12, 2024, 09:28:51 PM
The real question is what Covid vaccine did our boys get and was it the same as Real Madrid / Arsenal women?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 09:29:31 PM
Lets just leave it to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2024, 09:32:02 PM
UTV !
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 12, 2024, 09:33:41 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Well, actually, it isn't.

Last season, Arsenal Women suffered four ACL injuries within six months from November 2022 to May 2023 being, in chronological order: Beth Mead, Vivianne Miedema, Leah Williamson and Laura Wienroither.
Surely this is an Emery legacy issue
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2024, 09:36:36 PM
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Well, actually, it isn't.

Last season, Arsenal Women suffered four ACL injuries within six months from November 2022 to May 2023 being, in chronological order: Beth Mead, Vivianne Miedema, Leah Williamson and Laura Wienroither.
Surely this is an Emery legacy issue

Women are physiologically more prone to ACL injuries than men.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 12, 2024, 09:37:54 PM
Tough on Kamara. I think we can cope though and may even garner more points.
I think this is only the second time I've seen the word "garner" in written format.The other was by Mervyn Peake.Bravo ,sir!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 12, 2024, 09:38:23 PM
The real question is what Covid vaccine did our boys get and was it the same as Real Madrid / Arsenal women?

I haven't had the jab since 2021, and I haven't suffered any injuries in that time. Just saying.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 12, 2024, 09:41:16 PM
I have done zero interval training or fartleks and haven't had any knee injuries.Coincidence?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Steve67 on February 12, 2024, 09:43:28 PM
Losing Kamara is arguably the worst injury of the three knee injuries as we have a replacement for Mings in Torres and JJ and Tielemans for Buendia.  We don't have a natural replacement for Bouba other than an untried Tim.  Massive blow this.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 12, 2024, 09:45:19 PM
The real question is what Covid vaccine did our boys get and was it the same as Real Madrid / Arsenal women?

I haven't had the jab since 2021, and I haven't suffered any injuries in that time. Just saying.

Can we see your heat map please Gary?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 09:45:22 PM
Losing Kamara is arguably the worst injury of the three knee injuries as we have a replacement for Mings in Torres and JJ and Tielemans for Buendia.  We don't have a natural replacement for Bouba other than an untried Tim.  Massive blow this.

It is a disaster, but it’s up to us to come through adversity.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Steve67 on February 12, 2024, 09:48:04 PM
Losing Kamara is arguably the worst injury of the three knee injuries as we have a replacement for Mings in Torres and JJ and Tielemans for Buendia.  We don't have a natural replacement for Bouba other than an untried Tim.  Massive blow this.

It is a disaster, but it’s up to us to come through adversity.

Absolutely.  Hopefully, it galvanises the players. Will be interesting to see how we set up against Fulham.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2024, 09:50:39 PM
Its a massive opportunity for TimI to come in and nail down a first XI place and raise his profile, so we can sell him in the summer to try and keep up with the other cheating fuckers in the league.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: The Edge on February 12, 2024, 09:56:03 PM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2024, 10:00:48 PM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.

Probably employed by Mr Emery as his personal shopper.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: FatSam on February 12, 2024, 10:10:12 PM
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
I didn’t see the incident that led to Kamara’s injury yesterday, and my recollection is that Buendia’s injury happened in training, so I don’t think we know exactly how that happened. However, Mings’s injury happened completely innocuously, and didn’t have anything to do with tackling in a certain way, or anything else that could be coached.

Anyway, I think the general consensus is that your theory probably is a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 12, 2024, 10:16:19 PM
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
I didn’t see the incident that led to Kamara’s injury yesterday, and my recollection is that Buendia’s injury happened in training, so I don’t think we know exactly how that happened. However, Mings’s injury happened completely innocuously, and didn’t have anything to do with tackling in a certain way, or anything else that could be coached.

Anyway, I think the general consensus is that your theory probably is a conspiracy theory.
He simply slips while turning to chase an opponent....no tackling involved.
You can see him come off the pitch limping a little, then he stops at the side and obviously thinks "F**k me, that hurts"... but in French.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: RichardBatchelor on February 12, 2024, 10:18:18 PM
Our luck is unrelentingly dreadful. Yes, it is worse than ANY other prem club. THREE long-term knee injuries.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 12, 2024, 10:36:58 PM
Remember Ron Concrete Vlaar?  Who turned into Ron Plywood Vaar following his arrival in B6.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: brontebilly on February 12, 2024, 10:37:44 PM
Unless Tim surprises us all, including Emery, Kamara was one of a few players maybe Watkins, Luiz and McGinn where we don't really have a replacement. We didn't really have a replacement for Ramsey either in his role, fingers crossed he kicks on for the rest of the season.

Moving McGinn back there is the likely move but that kills us elsewhere. If we manage to get top 5 with our injury list it will have been some achievement.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 12, 2024, 10:48:02 PM
Our injuries this season.  Poor Tottenham.

Buendia (Season)
❌Mings (Season)
❌Kamara (Rest of season)
🩹Moreno (Several months)
🩹Ramsey (In/Out)
🩹Torres (1+ month)
🩹Digne (1+ month)
🩹Duran (1+/- month)
❓Konsa (TBD)

Tielemans is missing off the above list - a month was it.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: tomd2103 on February 12, 2024, 11:19:14 PM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.

Were you being managed by Unai Emery at the time by any chance?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2024, 11:23:16 PM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.

Were you being managed by Unai Emery at the time by any chance?

Being demanding and connecting with the store assistants
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: tomd2103 on February 12, 2024, 11:26:28 PM
Heard it on the radio on the way home.  At a time when.we needed a bit of a lift, we're dealt another massive kick in the knackers instead.  Not only out for the rest of this season, but for a significant portion of the next one as well I would have thought.

Got to go with young Tim for the next three games now, as McGinn or Tielemans will just weaken us in a couple of areas.  Unfortunately, think we will see one of those two used there though.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 11:30:35 PM
Doubt Emery will be starring irogbunam , it will be Tielemans in and a reshuffle with McGinn going deeper. Emery doesn't really play the youngsters other than fleetingly
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: The Edge on February 13, 2024, 12:44:48 AM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.

Were you being managed by Unai Emery at the time by any chance?
Yes. It was all his fault.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: LeonW on February 13, 2024, 02:56:09 AM
Can we recall Dendoncker? I’d take the hit and do it if we can.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Villafirst on February 13, 2024, 04:08:43 AM
Doubt Emery will be starring irogbunam , it will be Tielemans in and a reshuffle with McGinn going deeper. Emery doesn't really play the youngsters other than fleetingly

UE should give Iroegbunam a chance. Tim got a full season on loan at QPR in a tough division, so he should have learned from that experience.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: sid1964 on February 13, 2024, 06:10:14 AM
it will be interesting to see what Unai does with the team selection - also in the Summer, i would imagine that we will be looking to sign another central midfield player.

Kamara will probably be out of the team until at least this time next year.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 06:41:24 AM
The god really dont want us getting CL do they ? All this terrible luck we having
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: frank black on February 13, 2024, 06:51:20 AM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.

I did mine after a BBQ whilst having a dads versus kids kick about. My brain told my legs that they can still do it! sadly, my legs disagreed.

Seems too coincidental that the letters B and Q feature in both of these incidents, perhaps that’s the cause.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: The Edge on February 13, 2024, 07:36:03 AM
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.

I did mine after a BBQ whilst having a dads versus kids kick about. My brain told my legs that they can still do it! sadly, my legs disagreed.

Seems too coincidental that the letters B and Q feature in both of these incidents, perhaps that’s the cause.
I think we're on to something.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 08:20:06 AM
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;

1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: sid1964 on February 13, 2024, 08:28:39 AM
We will now see if Tim is good enough to play 1st team football at Aston Villa.

It will be his chance, i hope that he takes it.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 08:30:22 AM
The only positove for me is the konsa one seems like unfounded rumours.  Surely if ezri suffered same they would have said same by now.

Hoping now timmy gets a run. Its time to give sone young blood a opportunity
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: algy on February 13, 2024, 08:30:31 AM
It's a really good opportunity for Tim. Hope he manages to take it.

This 2nd half of the season has been a bit crap so far :(
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 13, 2024, 08:31:38 AM
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;

1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.

I didn't like the despair that had crept into your posts after the Chelsea game. It's reassuring to have you back being positive (to the point of lunacy!)
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Mister E on February 13, 2024, 08:37:55 AM
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;

1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.
He's also had some Premier league minutes, with a full game against Burnley under the Scouse Fraud.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: ROBBO on February 13, 2024, 08:44:34 AM
What has really pissed me off for months watching from Oz is every time we play one of the better sides the match caller goes on and on about how many injuries the opposition have got, no mention that a minor miracle happened at Villa where we lost two key players for the season and are still mounting a challenge for Europe.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 08:44:38 AM
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;

1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.

I didn't like the despair that had crept into your posts after the Chelsea game. It's reassuring to have you back being positive (to the point of lunacy!)

We all have our moments. I don't think I'm necessarily positive or optimistic, I just have a capacity to process quickly and accept situations. I think it comes from watching Zulu as a kid;

"Why us?"
"Because we're here lad and nobody else". Best crack on with it then. Always stuck with me that bit of dialogue. Comes immediately after a bout of hysteria as well. We have finite energy and time that can't be wasted on moping.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: chrisw1 on February 13, 2024, 08:52:38 AM
If there are significantly more ACL injuries in the game statistically - and at Villa in particular - then it is not as tin-hat as many of you are making out in your slating of Tim that there is some additional factor at play.

Whether this is overwork, type of training regime, diet, equipment, playing surface, changing player physique or pure coincidence non of us know at this stage. 

The women's game issue is easier to speculate - you'd assume the game has got significantly harder and more physical since it's gone professional and that seems the most likely reason for the uptick.

It's harder to put you finger on it in the men's game.  I very much doubt it's anything particular to Emery and his coaching teams methods, but dismissing a huge statistical anomaly entirely (if indeed there is one) seems a bit presumptuous to me.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: chrisw1 on February 13, 2024, 08:58:12 AM
Athletic article.  Jacob Tanswell suspects McGinn will drop back.

Boubacar Kamara ACL injury is devastating for Aston Villa – he’s the heart of their team
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND - FEBRUARY 11: Boubacar Kamara of Aston Villa is substituted off following an injury during the Premier League match between Aston Villa and Manchester United at Villa Park on February 11, 2024 in Birmingham, England. (Photo by Catherine Ivill/Getty Images)
By Jacob Tanswell
4h ago
Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) knee injuries can follow the same pattern.

The initial blow, the minutes spent in the immediate aftermath trying to walk on the damaged leg, thinking things might be and then, once the early shock has subsided, the shattering realisation that they are not.

In the 63rd minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 defeat against Manchester United on Sunday, Boubacar Kamara rode that grim emotional rollercoaster.

After attempting to close down Casemiro, Kamara turned quickly and collapsed to the ground, immediately clutching his right knee. He clenched at the bones peering out from the top of his sock, frightened to move.

As the television coverage switched to various highlights due to the stoppage in play, Kamara’s initial pain, at least, appeared to lessen. He was helped back to his feet by two physios and tried to walk without support to the touchline, despite head coach Unai Emery readying Moussa Diaby to replace him.



Kamara shuffled gingerly to the technical area, without assistance and, crucially, hopping on his right leg, as if trying to test whether weight could be put on it.



Privately, there was hope from those close to Kamara that the pain in his knee would not be overly serious and to the naked eye, the extent of the injury did not appear as cataclysmic as scans revealed less than 24 hours later.

Just after 5pm UK time on Monday, The Athletic confirmed Kamara had ruptured the ACL in that knee, ruling him out for the remainder of the season and ending any hopes he had of making the France squad for this summer’s European Championship. Early projections state the 24-year-old will miss the next five to six months after undergoing surgery in the coming days.

Kamara’s absence adds to the fatalistic sense converging on Villa. Staggeringly, he is the third player in the squad to suffer an ACL injury this season alone, after it happened to Emiliano Buendia and then Tyrone Mings within four days of each other in August.

In some ways, Villa’s achievements so far this season are all the more remarkable when you consider the unrelenting catalogue of injuries they have had to deal with. Emery has not had his first-choice XI for a single match, with players’ unavailability complicated and compounded by reoccurring injuries to a number of key personnel.

Alex Moreno, Pau Torres and Jacob Ramsey — Emery’s entire preferred left side — have all returned to training at some point before suffering another setback related to their prior injury.

Ezri Konsa, Villa’s most well-rounded defender, had to be replaced in the 5-0 victory over Sheffield United on February 3. Konsa played the most Premier League minutes of any outfield player in the calendar year 2023 (3,732 – the equivalent of 41 matches) and while Emery, somewhat optimistically, suggested he would be out for “three to four weeks” with another knee injury, the present feeling is more ominous.

Right now, Emery is without his three best centre-backs in Konsa, Mings and Torres.

Knee injuries, reoccurring setbacks and general misfortune threaten to undermine Villa’s aspirations this season, both in the Europa Conference League, where they play in the last-16 next month, and finishing in the top four/five of the Premier League. Winter transfer window departures have further weakened a threadbare squad short of depth in key positions.

History is not kind to paper-thin teams trying to compete among the elite and across more than one front.

Kamara is Villa’s latest victim and arguably the biggest blow. Plainly, Emery does not have another player like him. Without Leander Dendoncker, a high earner but a mixed performer, who left for Napoli on loan last month, Villa lack an alternative defensive-minded midfielder, adept in anchoring central areas.

“I’m very happy, and his potential is really high,” said Emery last month, talking about the former Marseille academy graduate. “When I am speaking with different people around football and about our players, one of them having a good impact is Kamara.”

Emery is a huge advocate of Kamara because of his necessity to Villa’s overall framework. In possession, he is the chief cog in progressing the ball from deep, often dropping into a third centre-back position and giving license to the full-backs to occupy areas high and wide.



This is especially relevant in breaking down low blocks, as it squeezes Emery’s two No 10s inside and allows Villa to operate with more bodies in advanced areas and covering the width of the pitch, as illustrated here in September’s 3-1 home win against Crystal Palace.



Kamara often receives the ball in precarious positions on the pitch, with opposition pressure threatening to engulf him and having to decide on the next move quickly. This does mean he occasionally runs into trouble buthis  team-mates and Emery view mistakes as a by-product of playing in the riskiest position on the pitch. Their trust in him is total.

“The characteristics of Kamara are very important,” said Emery. “He’s progressing and he’s improving a lot. He’s humble. He’s young but very responsible. He’s very positive, every day, to improve. He listens a lot. He’s always ready to work and his potential is getting better.”

Without the ball, Kamara’s positional awareness guides Villa’s “rest defence” — ensuring the team can apply immediate pressure once they lose the ball and prevent potentially dangerous counter-attacks — and gets him into areas to stop transitions. The decision on Sunday to challenge Casemiro, where he ultimately sustained the injury, was a case in point of him counter-pressing.

Villa are becoming hamstrung in their attempts to break through the Premier League’s glass ceiling and qualify for the Champions League. It has perhaps gone unmissed by the wider public, largely due to how well they have managed, that injuries have beset the club all season. However, it is only now that such persistent knockbacks are having a discernible and damaging effect.

John McGinn has been operating as the support striker to Ollie Watkins within Emery’s 4-2-2-2 shape but will likely move deeper alongside Douglas Luiz to compensate for Kamara’s absence. McGinn is trusted more than Youri Tielemans to provide greater defensive security but is by no means the ideal solution.

Academy graduate Tim Iroegbunam has been namechecked on several occasions by Emery but has only played 25 first-team minutes this season across all competitions. The 20-year-old lacks the experience to step into such a critical position and a system facing this much adversity.

In truth, Kamara’s injury creates a hole no player at the club can truly fill. It is again up to Emery to adjust and overcome this latest setback in Villa’s sequence of bad luck this season.

(Photo: Catherine Ivill/Getty Images)


Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 09:00:03 AM
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: chrisw1 on February 13, 2024, 09:08:16 AM
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.
And dismissing that a 'thing' could exist just because you don't know what it is seesms equally naive to me
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Dave P on February 13, 2024, 09:12:36 AM
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;

1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.

You could have stopped after point 1 but this is absolutely spot on.  I can just see Tielemans dropping back then everyone getting on his back as his performances dip.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 09:13:19 AM
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.
And dismissing that a 'thing' could exist just because you don't know what it is seesms equally naive to me

Oh I'm right you there Rumsfeld.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: darren woolley on February 13, 2024, 09:16:26 AM
It's a massive blow losing him when will this injury curse stop.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 13, 2024, 09:18:03 AM
If Tim doesn’t get game time against Fulham, Forest or Luton I don’t know when he will.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Nev on February 13, 2024, 09:33:22 AM
I was impressed with Tim after his few appearances and was fuming when carpet head sent him out on loan. I think he's worth a shot. Let's face it, with the news about Kamara our aspirations for this season have to be downgraded so pitching rookie players into the fray isn't the risk it would have been.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 09:45:46 AM
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.
And dismissing that a 'thing' could exist just because you don't know what it is seesms equally naive to me

Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt. It could anything behind the scenes that you have described. The fact is none of us know.

But on the broder scope of things it seems there is more ACL injuries in the game more than ever. I mean before this year the last player i remember doing their ACL for us was okore.

Wonder if all the games condensed last season with WC is having a impact? Never read so many ACL injuriesbacross the sport in a timeframe!

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2024, 09:47:38 AM
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.

We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: nick harper on February 13, 2024, 09:51:01 AM
Devastating for him and us. I would go as far as to say he is the most important player in Emery’s system given his ability to drop into a back three and form the base to allow Dougie to push on.
It would be impossible for Tim to fill that role. He would take the rest of the season just to find his feet and I can’t see Emery experimenting given the objective.

We’re unlikely to see Bouba back and up to speed for 12 months I guess.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2024, 09:54:40 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Gareth on February 13, 2024, 09:55:38 AM
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.

We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.

I’m not so sure, he’s obv holding his own in training enough to be involved and has been getting minutes so the next step is to get a few starts under his belt…the step up to Kamara level is a steep one but not sure it’s any steeper for Tim as it would be for McGinn / Teilemans or Chambers playing out of position in Kamara’s role.  Give him his head and see if he can swim
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2024, 09:59:43 AM
I can't see Emery dropping Tim straight into the action, but he'll have to start introducing him as a sub a bit more often, and for longer.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Chris Smith on February 13, 2024, 10:01:53 AM
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.

We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.

Ramsey.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:12:22 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2024, 10:13:53 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist

The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.

You, on the other hand:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

seem quite positive this is about our training.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2024, 10:14:16 AM
Uh? He played for us in the 90's so we know he does.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 13, 2024, 10:15:46 AM
If Tim doesn’t get game time against Fulham, Forest or Luton I don’t know when he will.

Last night I dreamt he scored a last minute winner against Fulham. It was a 25 yard thunderbastard that bounced out then back in, but as the game was played in Havana this may not come true.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Beard82 on February 13, 2024, 10:16:00 AM
I can't see Emery dropping Tim straight into the action, but he'll have to start introducing him as a sub a bit more often, and for longer.
Yeah I think this is what happens - I can’t see him giving him a start until he’s done a few 30 min stints
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:22:01 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist

The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.

You, on the other hand:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

seem quite positive this is about our training.

The key word "assume"

Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof

So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quoted paulie ?? Oh dear

So all i have done is ask the question  not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2024, 10:26:11 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist

The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.

You, on the other hand:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

seem quite positive this is about our training.

The key word "assume"

Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof

So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear

I know what it means, people are pointing out that:

1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.

"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".

So all i have done is ask the question  not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone

No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

And that's why people think you're being stupid.

And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: cdward on February 13, 2024, 10:26:24 AM
Let's be honest, the main reason Tim I is back in the squad is to save money.
Dendoncker is now off the wage bill and Tim was the cost effective back up.
I suspect we'll see Dougie and McGinn interchanging in the role, with Tim getting minutes off the bench
If we are going to maintain a push for CL, every point counts, can't see UE starting Tim I.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 13, 2024, 10:26:53 AM
This argument is all a little bit silly.

Where there is a small increase in the risk of ACL injuries is if players are training through fatigue but with no evidence that players are being overworked in training that's hard to see as the problem, especially given the timing of the Buendia and Mings injuries. I don't think it's fair or reasonable to blame the club medical staff for any of these, we've just had a horrible year for injuries and sometimes that's all there is to it.

If it were a training issue we'd have seen far more short-term soft tissue injuries than we have, with Calf halmstring injuries the most common sign of overtraining in sports like football. On top of that the news out of the club about the changes Emery has made the players have spoken about mental and tactical preperation and individual focus areas for improvement. McGinn mentioned how much fitter he is but also said that a big part of that was him changing his habits away from the club and in particular how he acted between the end of last season and pre-season.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: garyellis on February 13, 2024, 10:28:32 AM
Let's be honest, the main reason Tim I is back in the squad is to save money.
Dendoncker is now off the wage bill and Tim was the cost effective back up.
I suspect we'll see Dougie and McGinn interchanging in the role, with Tim getting minutes off the bench
If we are going to maintain a push for CL, every point counts, can't see UE starting Tim I.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/01/25/tim-iroegbunam-to-get-aston-villa-chance-after-leander-dendoncker-exit/
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:33:23 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist

The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.

You, on the other hand:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

seem quite positive this is about our training.

The key word "assume"

Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof

So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear

I know what it means, people are pointing out that:

1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.

"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".

So all i have done is ask the question  not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone

No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

And that's why people think you're being stupid.

And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.

I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.

I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation.  All we can do is speculate
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:36:34 AM
This argument is all a little bit silly.

Where there is a small increase in the risk of ACL injuries is if players are training through fatigue but with no evidence that players are being overworked in training that's hard to see as the problem, especially given the timing of the Buendia and Mings injuries. I don't think it's fair or reasonable to blame the club medical staff for any of these, we've just had a horrible year for injuries and sometimes that's all there is to it.

If it were a training issue we'd have seen far more short-term soft tissue injuries than we have, with Calf halmstring injuries the most common sign of overtraining in sports like football. On top of that the news out of the club about the changes Emery has made the players have spoken about mental and tactical preperation and individual focus areas for improvement. McGinn mentioned how much fitter he is but also said that a big part of that was him changing his habits away from the club and in particular how he acted between the end of last season and pre-season.

Im sure he is alot fitter after the ketcup ban 😉
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2024, 10:37:08 AM
Real Madrid have had three this season, including their keeper. One happened in pre-season, one in the first match and then one last month. So Emery must have been moonlighting at Real at some point over the summer.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 10:38:48 AM
Real Madrid have had three this season, including their keeper. One happened in pre-season, one in the first match and then one last month. So Emery must have been moonlighting at Real at some point over the summer.



I think we must now assume that this is the case.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:41:52 AM
Dr rajpal brar speculates kamara will be out for 7-9 months with him not being 100% until 18 months

So we at best will see him back around September/october time. But with no pre season either you would imagine December time.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 13, 2024, 10:42:27 AM

I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.

I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation.  All we can do is speculate

The bold bit is just the wrong way to approach anything and is exactly why we have conspiracy theorists, crackpots and bullshitters getting airtime to share their wrongs with the world.

The fundamental facts of the situation are that the ONLY way training can have any increased risk on ACL injuries is by overtraining through fatigue. the timing of the injuries to Buendia and Mings make that highly unlikely in their cases and, as a few people have told you already, we'd have seen other signs of that sort of over-training. In fact almost all of the major injuries we've had have happened during games, which would be an incredible coincidence if the problems were being created in training.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:42:36 AM
Real Madrid have had three this season, including their keeper. One happened in pre-season, one in the first match and then one last month. So Emery must have been moonlighting at Real at some point over the summer.
 

Thanks for sharing that. Unbelievable
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2024, 10:44:35 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

The conspiracy theory I'm posting is that it isn't Emery who is the bad luck merchant but our very own Demitri. This season he posted once on Sept 20th, we then lose the next match on Sept 21st. Then starts posting with regularity on Dec 20th and our season has been riding off the tracks since then.

Prove it isn't that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 13, 2024, 10:45:51 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

The conspiracy theory I'm posting is that it isn't Emery who is the bad luck merchant but our very own Demitri. This season he posted once on Sept 20th, we then lose the next match on Sept 21st. Then starts posting with regularity on Dec 20th and our season has been riding off the tracks since then.

Prove it isn't that.

I heard his internet connection was out over the weekend when we beat Sheff Utd as well.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2024, 10:49:23 AM
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.

We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.

Ramsey.

Good shout - clearly my mind is failing, and actually he was one where initially I thought look quite tidy on the ball but didn’t see much else. He massively kicked on and has done great, so hope Tim could replicate that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2024, 10:51:27 AM
Dr rajpal brar speculates kamara will be out for 7-9 months with him not being 100% until 18 months

So we at best will see him back around September/october time. But with no pre season either you would imagine December time.



Sounds like nonsense to me. I can believe the first part, but based on any ACL’s I’ve seen in football I’ve never seen it take another 9 months post recovery to be fit again.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 10:59:03 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

The conspiracy theory I'm posting is that it isn't Emery who is the bad luck merchant but our very own Demitri. This season he posted once on Sept 20th, we then lose the next match on Sept 21st. Then starts posting with regularity on Dec 20th and our season has been riding off the tracks since then.

Prove it isn't that.

😂😂😂😂

Classic. That did make me laugh somniloquism. but i can prove you wrong as we won a couple games in that period 😉
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 13, 2024, 11:00:18 AM
Chucking in a kid into a faultering team and expecting results to upturn is a massive ask. Your gambling for an impact like Yacuba Cilla. Kamara is one of the spine, a kid coming in for say Cash you could make a case for but centre mid in the premier league will be a baptism of fire. I'd be getting the donk back from loan. If you watched the ManU game on Sun they had a similar situation a young kid playing Defensive Mid. Manioo had great feet but allowed Villa to bomb through the centre all game. First half the ammount of space in front of Magiure and Varane was laughable, I just thought it was a matter of time before we scores.
Regarding the number of ACL's it does seem too many to be bad luck, perhaps there is a new piece of equipment at bodymore heath from last summer? The Knee buster.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 11:02:08 AM
Dr rajpal brar speculates kamara will be out for 7-9 months with him not being 100% until 18 months

So we at best will see him back around September/october time. But with no pre season either you would imagine December time.



Sounds like nonsense to me. I can believe the first part, but based on any ACL’s I’ve seen in football I’ve never seen it take another 9 months post recovery to be fit again.

I think he meant they can come back but wont be 100% as they were until 18 months so not to expect them back at their best until that period.

Based on what he says mings and buendia should be abck around april time. But i doubt we will see either of them until pre season
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 11:04:46 AM
Chucking in a kid into a faultering team and expecting results to upturn is a massive ask. Your gambling for an impact like Yacuba Cilla. Kamara is one of the spine, a kid coming in for say Cash you could make a case for but centre mid in the premier league will be a baptism of fire. I'd be getting the donk back from loan. If you watched the ManU game on Sun they had a similar situation a young kid playing Defensive Mid. Manioo had great feet but allowed Villa to bomb through the centre all game. First half the ammount of space in front of Magiure and Varane was laughable, I just thought it was a matter of time before we scores.
Regarding the number of ACL's it does seem too many to be bad luck, perhaps there is a new piece of equipment at bodymore heath from last summer? The Knee buster.

That's because we consistently out numbered them with our shape all game. There was a weird eyebrowed freak next to him who has European cups galore to his name that let us march through their middle too.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 13, 2024, 11:25:20 AM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist

The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.

You, on the other hand:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

seem quite positive this is about our training.

The key word "assume"

Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof

So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear

I know what it means, people are pointing out that:

1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.

"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".

So all i have done is ask the question  not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone

No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:

Quote
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

And that's why people think you're being stupid.

And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.

I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.

I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation.  All we can do is speculate

Tell you what, why don’t you stop making wild arsed guesses or what you call assumptions and speculation and then people won’t think you’re being daft. Simple really.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on February 13, 2024, 11:49:48 AM
If Tim is good enough now is the time to play him and find out. He’ll be 21 in June so hardly a kid.

Cole Palmer is a similar age and has been Chelsea’s best player this season.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Gareth on February 13, 2024, 11:53:21 AM
If Tim is good enough now is the time to play him and find out. He’ll be 21 in June so hardly a kid.

Cole Palmer is a similar age and has been Chelsea’s best player this season.

Exactly, it’s a risk if you throw in someone who has played u18s only but he has 30+ senior games under his belt, let him fly….
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Drummond on February 13, 2024, 11:56:56 AM
We haven't seen enough of Iroegbunam to really know whether he can step in or not, I'd guess in training, Emery may start using him more and looking to see if he 'gets it' about the system and what's expected of him.

Emery has often commented about players adapting to his methods, Diaby last week was the latest one he mentioned in that regard.

So, Kamara is pretty unique, and I'd imagine we may consider a system change rather than expecting one player to step into his shoes.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: achilles on February 13, 2024, 11:58:00 AM
If we don't play or at least try Tim now, when will he ever get a chance? At some point in time he has to be given a chance and although not ideal this is his chance, can he embrace it?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2024, 12:02:21 PM
We haven't seen enough of Iroegbunam to really know whether he can step in or not, I'd guess in training, Emery may start using him more and looking to see if he 'gets it' about the system and what's expected of him.

Emery has often commented about players adapting to his methods, Diaby last week was the latest one he mentioned in that regard.

So, Kamara is pretty unique, and I'd imagine we may consider a system change rather than expecting one player to step into his shoes.

I think that's a good idea, but it does seem with Unai that it's 4-4-2 or bust. Of course there's flexibility within that, but I'd go with a proper 4-3-3 now, something like:

Emi

Cash Carlos Torres Digne/Moreno

McGinn Luiz Tielemans

Bailey/Diaby Watkins Ramsey

That's still a very, very good team. Our problem is we've basically reverted to 1981 era football, with a first 11 and two subs.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 13, 2024, 12:10:08 PM
To get over his loss I’m picturing him playing like he did against Chelsea…..get well soon Bouba!!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 13, 2024, 12:14:20 PM
I don't pretend to have much tactical knowhow but is there any way Pau could play DM? Or would we lose too much of his positive impact at CB? This is assuming he ever gets off the bench again.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: mallo on February 13, 2024, 12:17:21 PM
Pretty terrible news - can see Tielemans doing a job as DM until we work out how to play without him. Hope I'm not assuming too much.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2024, 12:18:32 PM
Pretty terrible news - can see Tielemans doing a job as DM until we work out how to play without him. Hope I'm not assuming too much.

I can't, keep him further forward where his final pass can work and his lack of tackle doesn't endanger us as much.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Rigadon on February 13, 2024, 12:34:11 PM
Tielemans would be a disaster in that role I reckon.  It’s got to be either Tim (promising kid but big risk) or an experienced head like McGinn.  It’ll be really interesting to see what Emery does: stick with the same shape and move players about, or try something else.  I’d guess the former. 

I’m less confident of top 4 now which is a bummer.  We’ve been so unlucky this season with injuries.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2024, 12:49:24 PM
If you’re playing Tielemans in that area of the pitch you’re changing the role. His not going to do the tackling and break up play that Kamara does. He could absolutely work as a deep lying playmaker, but if Pau comes back at some point I’m not sure you need that role because Pau is so excellent at passing from deep. You’d also need to get other players to share the defensive responsibilities more.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Drummond on February 13, 2024, 12:53:01 PM
We haven't seen enough of Iroegbunam to really know whether he can step in or not, I'd guess in training, Emery may start using him more and looking to see if he 'gets it' about the system and what's expected of him.

Emery has often commented about players adapting to his methods, Diaby last week was the latest one he mentioned in that regard.

So, Kamara is pretty unique, and I'd imagine we may consider a system change rather than expecting one player to step into his shoes.

I think that's a good idea, but it does seem with Unai that it's 4-4-2 or bust. Of course there's flexibility within that, but I'd go with a proper 4-3-3 now, something like:

Emi

Cash Carlos Torres Digne/Moreno

McGinn Luiz Tielemans

Bailey/Diaby Watkins Ramsey

That's still a very, very good team. Our problem is we've basically reverted to 1981 era football, with a first 11 and two subs.

That last point is a concern.

In Emery's first match against ManUtd, when we won 3-1 our lineup was:

             Martinez
Cash   Konsa   Mings Digne
      Luiz Dendoncker  Ramsey
     Bailey Watkins Buendia

I remember the thing that struck me that day was that we clearly played 4-3-3 in possession and moved immediately to a 4-4-2 out of it.

McGinn 70, Kamara 78, Ings and Young 79, and Sanson 90 were the subs used (Augustinsson, Chambers, Bednarek and Olsen were unused)

Of those 20, 3/4 are injured and 6 aren't with us any more and (at least) 1 isn't wanted.

We have Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno, Torres, Diaby, Zaniolo, Duran and Iroegbunam in the squad (or fucking injured).

I guess what I'm saying is that we have better replacements like-for-like. and we were able to get some good results. I think Emery can do it again and before letting Dendoncker go, he'll have had a plan for what to do if Kamara was out.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2024, 01:01:12 PM
I'm not sure Drummond. Back then, Ings was at least useful as a sub coming on, and is better than the no striker option we have now.

In that older team above, Kamara would obviously start for Dendoncker, and you'd choose between either Tielemans or Buendia. So in terms of players able to make a difference, back then if Unai had picked our best 11, you'd have say Buendia and Ings able to come off the bench in attacking positions. Young as reserve  right back, and Ramsey also on the bench. If you say that Torres is fit now, we've got Lenglet as back up, and either Moreno or Digne depending on who starts. The only attacking player capable of making a difference is Diaby, and he's been out of form for so long he almost always doesn't. After that, it's either untried kids or rubbish like Zaniolo.

So I don't think there's much in it between the two teams in terms of subs, basically.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 13, 2024, 01:09:50 PM
I’m almost certain it will be the tried, tested and failed format of mcginn playing as a defensive midfielder instead.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 13, 2024, 01:32:23 PM
Trying to look for the positives:

1.  We did ok without Kamara for most of March and April last year.  Though we did have Mings, Buendia and an in-form Ramsey.
2.  No-one will be buying him in the summer.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 13, 2024, 01:33:20 PM
Our shape now is we switch between 442 in defence and 325 in attack, you can see this in almost every attack. The problem recently is that teams have been putting a 5th player inot their defence to man up against us and then sitting with a shielding player or 2 in front to eat up all the space. If they get it right we look a bit uncreative and struggle to create decent chances and that has led to us losing some composure when we get into good positions and not making the most of what we create. Couple that with a defence that is both not as good as the unit we started the season with and that has chopped and changed a lot and we're a bit leakier at the back as well which isn't making for a good combination.


I don't think the problems are down to formation or style though.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 13, 2024, 01:33:28 PM
Pretty terrible news - can see Tielemans doing a job as DM until we work out how to play without him. Hope I'm not assuming too much.

I can't, keep him further forward where his final pass can work and his lack of tackle doesn't endanger us as much.

'Lack of tackle'!?  Did you not see that photo of Youri??    ;D
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: chrisw1 on February 13, 2024, 01:39:35 PM
I’m almost certain it will be the tried, tested and failed format of mcginn playing as a defensive midfielder instead.
Failed?  Look at our results when he played there at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 01:54:59 PM
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.

"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."

Prove it isn't that.

Eh ? 🤔

Prove god doesnt exist

The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.

You, on the other hand:

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If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

seem quite positive this is about our training.

The key word "assume"

Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof

So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear

I know what it means, people are pointing out that:

1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.

"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".

So all i have done is ask the question  not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone

No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:

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If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of

And that's why people think you're being stupid.

And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.

I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.

I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation.  All we can do is speculate

Tell you what, why don’t you stop making wild arsed guesses or what you call assumptions and speculation and then people won’t think you’re being daft. Simple really.

If i have broke a forum rule for making a assumption then please point me to the site guidelines as im only interested in having discussions about our club. Whether you think my opinion is daft is irrelevant just as mine is about yours lets just move on all was said yesterday so we dont need to go over the same subject again.

Back on subject

Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Drummond on February 13, 2024, 01:57:14 PM
Uh-oh...
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 13, 2024, 02:04:29 PM
Quote
I'm not sure Drummond. Back then, Ings was at least useful as a sub coming on, and is better than the no striker option we have now.

Morgan Rogers says Hi ;)
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 13, 2024, 02:11:38 PM
How about no. Thia isnt the jon crofts forum so ill post what i like thanks. If anything your post is daft as adds nothing to the conversation

Back on subject

Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this

You commented about site rules and Jon, as a moderator, responded to you doing it.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 02:14:03 PM
How about no. Thia isnt the jon crofts forum so ill post what i like thanks. If anything your post is daft as adds nothing to the conversation

Back on subject

Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this

You commented about site rules and Jon, as a moderator, responded to you doing it.

EDIT read pist wrong. If you want us to have a chat jon PM me. Im not interested in a fall out we are all villa fans after all.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2024, 02:20:27 PM
 For clarity Demitri, I did not “call you stupid”, I said:

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And that's why people think you're being stupid.

If you can’t tell the difference between the above and “calling you stupid” then I give up.

Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 02:25:23 PM
For clarity Demitri, I did not “call you stupid”, I said:

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And that's why people think you're being stupid.

If you can’t tell the difference between the above and “calling you stupid” then I give up.

Can we just move on paulie this is just getting boring now please? Im trying to get this back on subject.  I actually agree with a lot of your posts btw just we dont agree on this subject  :)
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2024, 02:31:26 PM
I think you've all missed the point.

Risso 433 is an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 13, 2024, 02:38:31 PM
I think you've all missed the point.

Risso 433 is an excellent idea.

I'm not against it but Unai seems to have shown commitment to the 442, has worked in his way with it and trusts it always as the best way to connect with the supporters.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2024, 02:39:42 PM
I think you've all missed the point.

Risso 433 is an excellent idea.

I'm not against it but Unai seems to have shown commitment to the 442, has worked in his way with it and trusts it always as the best way to connect with the supporters.

He needs to be demanding of a bit more flexibility, whilst always being respectful of my posts and being consistent.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: London Villan on February 13, 2024, 03:33:50 PM
As others have said, despite having the (fit) players for 433 I can't see UE changing to that formation.

That said he's pushed a midfielder closer to Watkins with Bailey much wider in a couple of games.

A midfield three of:

McGinn Luiz Ramsey/Tielemans would surely be better than all but 3 or 4 teams

Front three:

Bailey Watkins Diaby/Rogers would, on paper, be pretty threatening

What I think we'll see is McGinn dropping back though, as UE has used him in all sorts of starting positions this season.




Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 13, 2024, 03:42:50 PM
Deleted.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 13, 2024, 04:17:40 PM
How about no. Thia isnt the jon crofts forum so ill post what i like thanks. If anything your post is daft as adds nothing to the conversation

Back on subject

Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this

You commented about site rules and Jon, as a moderator, responded to you doing it.

EDIT read pist wrong. If you want us to have a chat jon PM me. Im not interested in a fall out we are all villa fans after all.



No need for PMs.
Just don’t assume people are calling you stupid, just read carefully and comprehend.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: olaftab on February 13, 2024, 04:18:21 PM
Trying to look for the positives:

1.  We did ok without Kamara for most of March and April last year.  Though we did have Mings, Buendia and an in-form Ramsey.
2.  No-one will be buying him in the summer.
And he will return fresh for Champions League knockout stage. What's not to like?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2024, 04:48:19 PM
 Kamara fulfills a critical  role as a link and cover in the MF, his understanding with Doug has been very important.
We do not really have any one to be the other in the double pivot , Tielemans , Ramsey and SJM  are not  the answer.
I can see some merit in a 4 3 3 that becomes 4 5 1 without the ball

Bailey -SJM -Tielemans -Doug -Ramsey behind Watkins.
The problem is our rotation options are

Diaby - has been awful for months
Zaniolio - has not shown that he is good enough at this Level
Tim- untried
Rogers see above
Duran- as above

We are 1 injury away from needing snookers.

This is without Torres and Konsa until we don’t know when.

So I can see Cash Moreno Digne playing wide MF and maybe even going 3 at the back.

The chances of this squad maintaining a top 5 position with these options I think is now unlikely.


Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 13, 2024, 04:48:28 PM
EDIT read pist wrong.

You're on a slippery slope if you do that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: VillaTim on February 13, 2024, 04:58:03 PM
Deleted.
makes sense
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2024, 05:01:52 PM
Kamara fulfills a critical  role as a link and cover in the MF, his understanding with Doug has been very important.
We do not really have any one to be the other in the double pivot , Tielemans , Ramsey and SJM  are not  the answer.
I can see some merit in a 4 3 3 that becomes 4 5 1 without the ball

Bailey -SJM -Tielemans -Doug -Ramsey behind Watkins.
The problem is our rotation options are

Diaby - has been awful for months
Zaniolio - has not shown that he is good enough at this Level
Tim- untried
Rogers see above
Duran- as above

We are 1 injury away from needing snookers.

This is without Torres and Konsa until we don’t know when.

So I can see Cash Moreno Digne playing wide MF and maybe even going 3 at the back.

The chances of this squad maintaining a top 5 position with these options I think is now unlikely.




To be fair I’ve been frustrated with the Pau stuff but he must be close if he’s on the bench. He’s key to help fill the Kamara for me. Clearly a different position but he can be the player who links the play, which helps whoever is trying to cover for Kamara. We’re still weaker, but at least Pau’s return massively strengthens the backine and will give us a degree of control lost with the absence of Kamara.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: eamonn on February 13, 2024, 05:02:42 PM
Tielemans in a deeper role, tracking runners... sadly, just not going to happen. I know he was on a free (discounting the signing-on fee - of what £5m - £10m he and his reps got?) but I'm not sure Youri was the right one for us last summer. The way we play, each midfielder needs to be consistently dynamic and I don't think he has the fitness for that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: andyh on February 13, 2024, 05:12:06 PM
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2024, 05:59:10 PM
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
I think Kamara compliments Dougie and without him he looks a bit exposed.
Kamara is excellent at what he does, Tielemans doesn’t have the mobility and covering sense.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: The Edge on February 13, 2024, 06:17:20 PM
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
I think Kamara compliments Dougie and without him he looks a bit exposed.
Kamara is excellent at what he does, Tielemans doesn’t have the mobility and covering sense.
We will know on Saturday what Unai plans to do about losing Kamara. If he can still pull off a minor miracle and qualify for CL it will be a brilliant achievement. I expect Monchi and co will be in full overdrive now to fix the problem. The summer transfer window will be very interesting.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Demitri_C on February 13, 2024, 06:24:01 PM
My prediction is youri will play the kamara role and midfield of luiz JJ and mcginn. Probably bailey and watkins
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 13, 2024, 06:26:48 PM
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
Exactly this!
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: London Villan on February 13, 2024, 06:53:50 PM
I hope we do better than the current two loanees…
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: DrGonzo on February 13, 2024, 06:57:17 PM
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Chap on February 13, 2024, 07:41:19 PM
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
The pitches?. Guessing most if not all the Premier league have the ‘magic Rooney weave’ jobs which keeps them like a billiard table all season. Bet the training pitches are the same.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2024, 08:35:40 PM
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.

Doing the work of two players in that Bournemouth game anyway. He was terrible at Old Trafford next to the Donk alright. Luiz definitely not as comfortable at playing in Kamara's spot but he's going to have to drop any thoughts about adding to his goal tally and be a lot more disciplined as a 6 without Kamara.

Emery might be able to get some combo of a 5 going with Bailey, Tielemans, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey going but there's not much defensive power there. Torres back would really help as he's like another midfielder when he steps out with the ball.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 13, 2024, 09:02:04 PM
times like this I dont like these transfer windows , at least in the old days we could be looking at  a replacement .
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Steve67 on February 13, 2024, 09:42:35 PM
My prediction is youri will play the kamara role and midfield of luiz JJ and mcginn. Probably bailey and watkins

Youri doesn't have the same ability, he's a very different player to Kamara.  If we use Youri as a DCM, we won't win very often.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: eamonn on February 13, 2024, 10:32:02 PM
We won't win at all, he's too lazy and slow.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: olaftab on February 13, 2024, 10:57:09 PM
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
You’re the doctor so you tell us?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: DrGonzo on February 14, 2024, 01:14:54 PM
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
You’re the doctor so you tell us?

Think you'd need a specialist from the Clinical Musculoskeletal Assessment Team for that one.  I specialise in more esoteric sciences. It must be an increasing issue though, half the England Women's team were out with ACLs, we've got 3 inside 7 months, Fofana and Arsenal's Timber fell to the same thing within the first month or so... Rico Henry at Brentford.  Just been through the PL injury list and there's 5 further confirmed ACLs, 1 confirmed MCL and 2 unnamed long term knees injuries.  So 11 ACLs already this season, not this calendar year.

Currently still off work with an undiagnosed shoulder injury so have plenty of time and empathy for those suffering with joint issues.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2024, 02:00:37 PM
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
You’re the doctor so you tell us?

Think you'd need a specialist from the Clinical Musculoskeletal Assessment Team for that one.  I specialise in more esoteric sciences. It must be an increasing issue though, half the England Women's team were out with ACLs, we've got 3 inside 7 months, Fofana and Arsenal's Timber fell to the same thing within the first month or so... Rico Henry at Brentford.  Just been through the PL injury list and there's 5 further confirmed ACLs, 1 confirmed MCL and 2 unnamed long term knees injuries.  So 11 ACLs already this season, not this calendar year.

Currently still off work with an undiagnosed shoulder injury so have plenty of time and empathy for those suffering with joint issues.

ACL injuries are generally down to excessive lateral hyperextension (or the knee bending sideways, in or out). Traditionally the football version of that is the Wesley scenario where a player has a planted foot and takes a heavy impact near their knee.

What we're seeing more recently is far more occurances without the impact element so it's created by a shift in the centre of gravity which means the lower leg isn't supporting the bodt weight above and that creates the force instead.

No one fully understands why this is happening (and specifically why it's so much more common in the womens game) but, for me, the 3 main things we need to look at are the boots, the pitches and dietary changes. I don't claim to have anytihng like enough knowledge to pick one or specify why I see those as the key areas but they are the 3 things that could be involved which have seen massive changes in the last 20-30 years.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: DrGonzo on February 14, 2024, 03:00:46 PM
Diet seems the least likely of those to me. Diets are much more closely controlled and designed to aid performance. Boots are getting lighter and the changes in stud shape was part of the issue with the Great Metatarsal Debacle of the early 2000s. Potentially training levels and techniques have changed and might be an influence. It’s certainly not increased contact in on field challenges, I think that’s safe to say.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Smithy on February 14, 2024, 03:22:55 PM
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
You’re the doctor so you tell us?

Think you'd need a specialist from the Clinical Musculoskeletal Assessment Team for that one.  I specialise in more esoteric sciences. It must be an increasing issue though, half the England Women's team were out with ACLs, we've got 3 inside 7 months, Fofana and Arsenal's Timber fell to the same thing within the first month or so... Rico Henry at Brentford.  Just been through the PL injury list and there's 5 further confirmed ACLs, 1 confirmed MCL and 2 unnamed long term knees injuries.  So 11 ACLs already this season, not this calendar year.

Currently still off work with an undiagnosed shoulder injury so have plenty of time and empathy for those suffering with joint issues.

ACL injuries are generally down to excessive lateral hyperextension (or the knee bending sideways, in or out). Traditionally the football version of that is the Wesley scenario where a player has a planted foot and takes a heavy impact near their knee.

What we're seeing more recently is far more occurances without the impact element so it's created by a shift in the centre of gravity which means the lower leg isn't supporting the bodt weight above and that creates the force instead.

No one fully understands why this is happening (and specifically why it's so much more common in the womens game) but, for me, the 3 main things we need to look at are the boots, the pitches and dietary changes. I don't claim to have anytihng like enough knowledge to pick one or specify why I see those as the key areas but they are the 3 things that could be involved which have seen massive changes in the last 20-30 years.

Is it not possible it's also partly down to the players becoming ever more athletic, and their movements becoming ever more explosive? Add studded boots into the equation and the average player turning and sprinting today is almost certainly doing it with WAY more force than the average player of 20 years ago?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Rigadon on February 14, 2024, 03:36:33 PM
..the amount of games too maybe?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2024, 03:38:35 PM
I think the pitches are a significant factor, whereas before your stud would slide through the turf if there was significant power transmitted through the leg, now you see the boots lock into the turf.
It the lock occurs with the knee set,  excessive pressure becomes focussed on the knee area.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2024, 03:42:53 PM
Diet seems the least likely of those to me. Diets are much more closely controlled and designed to aid performance. Boots are getting lighter and the changes in stud shape was part of the issue with the Great Metatarsal Debacle of the early 2000s. Potentially training levels and techniques have changed and might be an influence. It’s certainly not increased contact in on field challenges, I think that’s safe to say.

I agree, I'd be looking at the boots very closely and that it isn't due to changes in tackle intensity or anything aimilar. I don't think it'll be down to training levels or techniques because, as has been said a few times, to create the sort of fatigue levels needed to increase the risks of knee issues you also see a spike in ankle, calf and hamstring problems (because they'd all be affected in ther same way) and that doesn't seem to have happened.

The reason I mention diet at all though is because of how closely controlled it is, even if that seems backwards, it's easily bottom of the list for me.

When I mention pitches I mostly mean in how heavily watered they are and how they're handling that water. We've all watched players slipping and losing their footing at key moments and I wonder if the wet pitches combined with changes to boots/studs has created  less stable footings for players which is causing small unintentional movements when players are going 100% and it's creating the shifts in balance that lead to the problems.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: OCD on February 14, 2024, 05:33:55 PM
But then you would see the problem across the board, and not just localised to one club. And all 3 have happened at different locations.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: danno on February 14, 2024, 05:38:13 PM
..the amount of games too maybe?

I think this is the most boring and likely explanation. Both us and Newcastle have European football for the first time in ages and our managers don’t tend to make lots of changes to the starting lineup from game to game. It can’t be coincidence that this season both clubs have had lots of injuries to contend with.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2024, 06:02:26 PM
But then you would see the problem across the board, and not just localised to one club. And all 3 have happened at different locations.

Not if it's combination of boots and how heavily watered pitches are, almost every club has sprinklers gonig for ages before kick off in most conditions.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: OCD on February 14, 2024, 07:30:27 PM
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.

I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2024, 07:39:47 PM
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.

I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.

Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.

All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.

I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ian. on February 14, 2024, 07:46:09 PM
I think it’s just bad luck and nothing more controversial than that.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 14, 2024, 08:38:15 PM
Pitches now have a fabric mesh that the grass grows through. Clearly no expert but this might increase the likelihood that the studs get “stuck”.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2024, 09:09:11 PM
Have we not had this type of pitch for a while, though? I don't see why anybody's looking for reasons beyond us being cursed, frankly.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: OCD on February 14, 2024, 09:13:20 PM
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.

I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.

Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.

All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.

I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.

The prevalence of ACL injuries in the women's game makes that a separate discussion for me. A discussion that I've seen suggestions made of menstrual cycle and lack of strength training.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2024, 09:33:49 PM
I've not fact checked it, but apparently the ACL is 4 centimetres long, takes 2000 Newtons of force to fuck up, and an Italian study of some 140ish cases showed that over half of cases involve physical contact, but often even something like shoulder to shoulder.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Beard82 on February 14, 2024, 09:47:27 PM
I've not fact checked it, but apparently the ACL is 4 centimetres long, takes 2000 Newtons of force to fuck up, and an Italian study of some 140ish cases showed that over half of cases involve physical contact, but often even something like shoulder to shoulder.
Yeah - and the Villa provided data for 139 of them
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: DrGonzo on February 15, 2024, 10:15:58 AM
Have we not had this type of pitch for a while, though? I don't see why anybody's looking for reasons beyond us being cursed, frankly.

  It's occurring across the whole division, I've not looked at the stats in the lower leagues.  A jump of 300% in ACL injuries is a hell of a coincidence isn't it? 
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.

I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.

Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.

All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.

I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.

The prevalence of ACL injuries in the women's game makes that a separate discussion for me. A discussion that I've seen suggestions made of menstrual cycle and lack of strength training.

That's one of the most sexist and reductive comments I've seen of the women's game.  Whatever podcast you've been listening to is frankly horrendous.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 15, 2024, 11:13:42 AM
Have we not had this type of pitch for a while, though? I don't see why anybody's looking for reasons beyond us being cursed, frankly.

  It's occurring across the whole division, I've not looked at the stats in the lower leagues.  A jump of 300% in ACL injuries is a hell of a coincidence isn't it? 
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.

I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.

Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.

All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.

I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.

The prevalence of ACL injuries in the women's game makes that a separate discussion for me. A discussion that I've seen suggestions made of menstrual cycle and lack of strength training.

That's one of the most sexist and reductive comments I've seen of the women's game.  Whatever podcast you've been listening to is frankly horrendous.

It has been pretty widely reported, on the BBC site and the like.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: DrGonzo on February 15, 2024, 11:18:32 AM
If that's true then I apologise but it does sound like the type od sound byte churned out by sports pundits to denigrate the women's game.  My bad.

Having just done some reading it's something of a leap to suggest that menstruation is a direct cause of ACL injuries.  Women are more susceptible to Joint injuries in general and that using a hormonal contraceptive may help reduce that increased risk.  Most of the 7 studies conducted globally are rated poor to fair and are in the very early stages.  The largest study was of less than 70k participants.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 15, 2024, 12:04:18 PM
A few years ago, when the WSL gathered momentum, ACL injuries began to bite, and I read a doctor’s view on “why?. First up, he said his theory needed far more analysis, but he posited that women have wider hips than men and thus the thigh bone connects with the knee at a different angle to men, and so put extra pressure on the ligaments.

My guess as a fully qualified IT person is that strain through many more games at a greater speed* is a contributing factor.

* I watched our European Cup the other day and was struck how mush slower it was than the modern game, men and women.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: darren woolley on February 15, 2024, 12:09:57 PM
He's going to be a massive loss for us.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 15, 2024, 01:27:24 PM
If that's true then I apologise but it does sound like the type od sound byte churned out by sports pundits to denigrate the women's game.  My bad.

Having just done some reading it's something of a leap to suggest that menstruation is a direct cause of ACL injuries.  Women are more susceptible to Joint injuries in general and that using a hormonal contraceptive may help reduce that increased risk.  Most of the 7 studies conducted globally are rated poor to fair and are in the very early stages.  The largest study was of less than 70k participants.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I have no idea if it's true or not, was just adding that it's a suggestion which is out there.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: eamonn on February 15, 2024, 02:13:00 PM
A few years ago, when the WSL gathered momentum, ACL injuries began to bite, and I read a doctor’s view on “why?. First up, he said his theory needed far more analysis, but he posited that women have wider hips than men and thus the thigh bone connects with the knee at a different angle to men, and so put extra pressure on the ligaments.

My guess as a fully qualified IT person is that strain through many more games at a greater speed* is a contributing factor.

* I watched our European Cup the other day and was struck how mush slower it was than the modern game, men and women.

Did Withe's shinner still go in?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2024, 02:24:56 PM
A few years ago, when the WSL gathered momentum, ACL injuries began to bite, and I read a doctor’s view on “why?. First up, he said his theory needed far more analysis, but he posited that women have wider hips than men and thus the thigh bone connects with the knee at a different angle to men, and so put extra pressure on the ligaments.

Similar point was made on a BBC News segment i.e. that physiological differences lead to women players suffering more ACLs.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: OCD on February 15, 2024, 07:03:26 PM
It wasn't intended as being sexist. There were many mainstream sources trying to explain why the women's game has such an extensive occurrence in ACL injuries over that of the men's game. One of (many) theories was that the change of hormonal balance during the menstrual cycle significantly weakened joints.

Basically it's not known why and there are hardly any studies where the subjects were only women. The majority of data was on male subjects. So there's been calls for greater investment so that studies using women only participants could be commissioned in order to establish why.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 15, 2024, 08:03:29 PM
Nice to see Barry Glendenning (Guardian Football Weekly) acknowledge the level of loss Kamara is - some in the media are aware of us.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 16, 2024, 02:31:29 PM
Tanswell:

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Emery was asked about Tim Iroegbunam replacing Kamara and was at his most animated: "I decided to let Dendoncker leave. Tim has to be ready and he has to be ready being demanding, saying 'it's my time, now I am here!' I don't know if he is going to, but I believe in him."

I hope he is being demanding. Looks like this could be a big opportunity
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2024, 03:40:07 PM
It wouldn't shock me to Tim start tomorrow vs Fulham. Pushing SJM back there doesn't work at all.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2024, 04:02:56 PM
Tanswell:

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Emery was asked about Tim Iroegbunam replacing Kamara and was at his most animated: "I decided to let Dendoncker leave. Tim has to be ready and he has to be ready being demanding, saying 'it's my time, now I am here!' I don't know if he is going to, but I believe in him."

I hope he is being demanding. Looks like this could be a big opportunity

I hope Tim connects, in his way, with us supporters tomorrow.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: OCD on February 16, 2024, 04:19:17 PM
There's 2 approaches - start him or introduce him more gradually from the bench. I imagine it will depend on how ready Emery feels he is now.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2024, 04:28:27 PM
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.

Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2024, 06:03:52 PM
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.

Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.

Took me a while to work out was Unai was saying when describing McGinn in today's conference. Turns out it was "versatile". Anyway, he spoke very positively about young Tim, I'd be a bit surprised if he doesn't play against Fulham.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 16, 2024, 06:07:42 PM
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.

Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.

I'd call him Villa Tim but....
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2024, 06:11:00 PM
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.

Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.

I'd call him Villa Tim but....

He can count to 5?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 16, 2024, 06:11:42 PM
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.

Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.

I'd call him Villa Tim but....

He can count to 5?

He understands the concept of capital letters and full stops?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2024, 05:59:28 PM

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Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2024, 06:36:55 PM
Lovely.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 17, 2024, 08:19:00 PM
We did similar for both Buendia and Mings this season as well.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 17, 2024, 09:15:12 PM
Everything about the club sends out a message that the spirit is really good these days.

Just need to sort the commercial side out...
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 22, 2024, 10:05:27 PM

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Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 22, 2024, 10:35:50 PM
WTF is he watching?
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 22, 2024, 10:45:01 PM
WTF is he watching?

Looks like one of the MAFS franchises. I admire his taste.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Rory on February 23, 2024, 01:53:11 AM
Makes me admire the professionalism, to be honest.

I dislocated my knee almost nine years ago now, and I haven't run, kicked a ball, or even walked properly since. I'm just too worried about it giving in again.

Even walking down steps, I go left foot on every step, because I don't want to risk putting pressure on my right and again seeing my leg at a hideous angle with my kneecap off to the side.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Nev on February 23, 2024, 07:19:22 AM
WTF is he watching?

Yet another interview with Jim Ratcliffe.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Somniloquism on February 23, 2024, 07:52:05 AM
Makes me admire the professionalism, to be honest.

I dislocated my knee almost nine years ago now, and I haven't run, kicked a ball, or even walked properly since. I'm just too worried about it giving in again.

Even walking down steps, I go left foot on every step, because I don't want to risk putting pressure on my right and again seeing my leg at a hideous angle with my kneecap off to the side.

You are not giving your bodies healing the trust it deserves. I did similar playing 5-a-side after work 20 odd years ago. I tried doing a reverse pass but my planted foot didn't twist, the knee did instead. I was playing again a few months later and not had any issues with that knee since.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: dave shelley on February 23, 2024, 08:58:08 AM
WTF is he watching?

His footing I'd guess.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 23, 2024, 09:50:51 AM
Out until September/October.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Rigadon on February 23, 2024, 10:04:29 AM
Out until September/October.

2026
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kipeye on February 23, 2024, 10:23:32 AM
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 23, 2024, 10:33:43 AM
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.

Hard to see that being the issue when back in the 70s and 80s and before pitches were nowhere near the standard they are now as around this time they were mainly grass-less mud heaps.  However, the technology that keeps them as such.. turf intertwined with plastic fibers might have some impact. Maybe we're just unlucky.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2024, 11:19:14 AM
Out until September/October.

It will be a slow and careful re-introduction. Unless Iroegbunam really makes an impression between now and the end of the season, I can see us bringing someone in who can offer genuine competition to Kamara, even when he's fully fit. Nobody else can do what he does as well as he can. Also will need a right back and striker.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Smithy on February 23, 2024, 11:25:04 AM
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.

Hard to see that being the issue when back in the 70s and 80s and before pitches were nowhere near the standard they are now as around this time they were mainly grass-less mud heaps.  However, the technology that keeps them as such.. turf intertwined with plastic fibers might have some impact. Maybe we're just unlucky.

We're not doing anything radically different to anyone else, and our ACL injuries this season happened on three different pitches. I think we've just been VERY unlucky.  To be fair, the arrival of Pau and Diaby helped mitigate the loss of Mings and Buendia, but the loss of Bouba is a much more significant hit to the way we play.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 23, 2024, 11:31:35 AM
WTF is he watching?

Four Weddings and a Funeralling.

I want to know why he's staying at Bertie's gaff.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Concrete Tom on February 23, 2024, 02:26:35 PM
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.

Not too sure about watering pitches - it's hardly a recent innovation.

But I have found a few papers which suggest that lack of sleep is a contributing factor for sports injuries? Could be relevant as Bouba is a new Dad.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: kipeye on February 24, 2024, 11:24:13 AM
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.

Hard to see that being the issue when back in the 70s and 80s and before pitches were nowhere near the standard they are now as around this time they were mainly grass-less mud heaps.  However, the technology that keeps them as such.. turf intertwined with plastic fibers might have some impact. Maybe we're just unlucky.

We're not doing anything radically different to anyone else, and our ACL injuries this season happened on three different pitches. I think we've just been VERY unlucky.  To be fair, the arrival of Pau and Diaby helped mitigate the loss of Mings and Buendia, but the loss of Bouba is a much more significant hit to the way we play.
No, but there are a lot of ACL injuries at other clubs too.
Title: Re: Boubacar Kamara - out for the season
Post by: Mellin on February 24, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
We've obviously had bad luck with injuries this season, but at least it waited for us to have a decent squad. If we'd have lost three players of similar importance the year we'd come up, we'd have gone straight back down.
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