Is he any good is the question?
After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.
(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).
Is he any good is the question?
After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.
(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).
If he's any good we'll change that
Is he any good is the question?
After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.
(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).
I can rely on you to cheer us up 👍Is he any good is the question?
After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.
(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).
Hello mate, I hope you are ok despite today's wankness.
He's excellent and you'll love him!
If he's any good we'll change that
Oh FFS, TV. What did I say? Why must you do this?
Yeah, but I do. Can't you just take pity on me? I'm having a bad day as it is, what with those Brentford ****** being Brentford ******.
I can rely on you to cheer us up 👍Is he any good is the question?
After today, he better be fucking better than Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn otherwise what’s the fucking point.
(Sorry about the negativity….I’m mega pissed off).
Hello mate, I hope you are ok despite today's wankness.
He's excellent and you'll love him!
Is he big, quick and can pass?
So we're absolutely confident this is a really serious upgrade?
My nan is a serious upgrade on our central midfielders.mine too - and she's been dead a decade.
Mine is catchier.
Mine is catchier.
The Spanish media are claiming he’s changed his mind and agreed to Athletico.
It’s going to be one of those summers of rumours and counter rumours.
That said, Fabrizio isn’t likely to put his name to it unless it’s happening.
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I imagine the Spanish are smarting at the moment with kylian mbappé
The Spanish media are claiming he’s changed his mind and agreed to Atlético
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.An extra few cm can make all the difference.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.An extra few cm can make all the difference.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.An extra few cm can make all the difference.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
I'm 1.93m and I can confirm that an extra 3 inches does indeed make a difference.
In which direction?
In which direction?
The cock direction.
Romano has built his entire rep on being right on these things - so hopefully he’s right (assuming Kamara is good).
In which direction?
The cock direction.
Towards Manchester?
Also, at the risk of going Full Brexit, if you're going to list players' heights, do it in units people understand, eh?
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.An extra few cm can make all the difference.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
Fans responding to the rumoured signing of Boubacar Kamara by saying he's too small. Jesus - when are they going to give it a rest.An extra few cm can make all the difference.
Kamara 1.84m
Kalvin Philips 1.78m
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m
Declan Rice 1.85m
Yves Bissouma 1.82m
Ndidi 1.81m
As requested
Kamara 1.84m 6' 7/16"
Kalvin Philips 1.78m 5' 10 3/32"
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m 5' 10 7/8"
Declan Rice 1.85m 6' 27/32"
Yves Bissouma 1.82m 5' 11 27/32"
Ndidi 1.81m 5' 11 1/8"
N'Golo Kante 1.68m 5' 6 5/32"
OK but I bet his shoe size is 8 and just think of the advantage if he was 12. Typical Villa always putting the wrong foot forward.
Romano has built his entire rep on being right on these things - so hopefully he’s right (assuming Kamara is good).
Wasn’t it him that said he was joining A. Madrid last week?
As requested
Kamara 1.84m 6' 7/16"
Kalvin Philips 1.78m 5' 10 3/32"
Cheick Doucoure 1.80m 5' 10 7/8"
Declan Rice 1.85m 6' 27/32"
Yves Bissouma 1.82m 5' 11 27/32"
Ndidi 1.81m 5' 11 1/8"
N'Golo Kante 1.68m 5' 6 5/32"
Yes, it's all well and good banging on about height, but what about girth? There must be girth.
Has anyone actually seen him play??
Yes, it's all well and good banging on about height, but what about girth? There must be girth.
A question probably best directed towards thick_mike.
Is it greedy to ask for another one of these types of players? Assuming this guy is indeed, incoming? I'd like Ndidi or Bissouma too.
Has anyone actually seen him play??
Watched him yesterday against Strasbourg on BT Sport. Marseilles won 4-0 and pipped Monaco for the CL slot. He looked pretty decent.
Him and Coutinho have cost less in transfer fees than Ross McCormack and Aaron Tshibola.I was having a reasonable morning till you mentioned the gateman😩 Anyway well done Villa management.
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.
Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!
Have no idea whether to be really pleased or utterly non-plussed, given how little I know, but let's hope he breaks the mold of previous signings from France. From Gerrard's comments he is in the 'promising young player', rather than 'established top quality' bracket of player. Nowt wrong with that, but I hope the latter is coming at some point too, as we can't risk having another season like the one just gone.
Have no idea whether to be really pleased or utterly non-plussed, given how little I know, but let's hope he breaks the mold of previous signings from France. From Gerrard's comments he is in the 'promising young player', rather than 'established top quality' bracket of player. Nowt wrong with that, but I hope the latter is coming at some point too, as we can't risk having another season like the one just gone.
He's played 40+ matches the last two seasons though, so I think he's more Ramsey than Chukwuemeka in terms of development.
To the tune of Jesus Christ Superstar...
"Boubacar Kamara, came to the Villa on a free transfer. He's intense, and immense, blocks all the holes in our shit defence."
Excellent. Was thinking that actually - in terms of signings that you'd imagine would be pretty realistic/plausible, the free transfers of Chambers, Tarkowski, Kamara, and Suarez (or Lewandowski ...) would reinforce the entire spine of the side without hitting the transfer budget at all. Then Bissouma, you'd imagine, would be available fairly cheaply, and could be mostly paid for with the money you'd get from selling Marv.Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.
Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!
We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.
There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.
Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!
We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.
There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.
Excellent news. Another signing that the manager's name will have attracted I reckon, the challenge now is to organise them into a successful team, as that pull won't last forever.
Although from the highlights, he gets the initial tackle in, but then needs to have good players around him to pick up the ball he has made loose and play it away. That is the bit he will quickly realise he doesn't have anymore.
Well done Villa. Arsenal fans are fuming!
To the tune of Jesus Christ Superstar...
"Boubacar Kamara, came to the Villa on a free transfer. He's intense, and immense, blocks all the holes in our shit defence."
Great signing for the Football Club but I thought the same about Leon Bailey at the time, we have a terrible habit of turning excellent footballers into poor ones.
Gerrard can clearly attract a good calibre of player. Kamara,Chambers and Coutinho for 17m sounds superb really , let's hope he can attract a world class striker as we would have won the last 3 games if we could put the ball in the net
Hopefully Digne seems to have broken the curse of the French Villa player, so from now we'll just have an uninterrupted stream of Gallic success!
Good stuff, do the business early, try and clear the deadwood and get an excellent pre season done with plans and formations worked on so we hit the ground running. A great signing for the club.
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.
Nice effort Mr. Taupin but in reality it will be :France Gall, Babacar could become Boubacar...
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Oh Lord Kamara
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.
He's 29 and this is his first relegation. Burnley also finished 7th and 10th in recent years so it hasn't all been struggle.
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.
His name is heartbreakingly close to scanning with the chorus of Babooshka by Kate Bush.Nice effort Mr. Taupin but in reality it will be :France Gall, Babacar could become Boubacar...
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Boubacar My Lord Kamara
Oh Lord Kamara
Just waiting for some salty tears from Athletico Madrid now.
Fantastic news. Now Suarez on a free and we’ve been very very smart with under £20 million!
We're after Tarkowski on a free as well apparently.
There are some extremely upset Man U fans on Twitter this morning, pissed off that we've landed Kamara.
Well done Villa. Arsenal fans are fuming!
Apparently* Atleti, Man U & Arsenal had all agreed terms at various points and believed they'd sealed the deal so no wonder their fans are pissed off and Johan Lange has earned his new nickname:African Boubacar Transfer Reverser
Apparently* Atleti, Man U & Arsenal had all agreed terms at various points and believed they'd sealed the deal so no wonder their fans are pissed off and Johan Lange has earned his new nickname:African Boubacar Transfer Reverser
Surely justAfrican Boubacar Reverser
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave
Saw some of that earlier, very encouraging. Could also be cover at CB or for Cash if need be.
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been answered, but did Sanson and Kamara play together in the same team at Marseille?Yes
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.
Bordeauxly Green.
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.
Bordeauxly Green.
Tarkowski is a right-footer. Which seems odd with Chambers and Konsa already here.
Good analysis on his position by Statman Dave
Presumably he played with Sanson at OM?
Excellent news. Another signing that the manager's name will have attracted I reckon,
Presumably he played with Sanson at OM?
Sanson must have had great things to say about how generous Villa are financially but that the manager has his favourites of which Kamara presumably will be one.
If I read right that Marseille clinched Champs League qualification on the last day, it's even more impressive that we landed him (added to the reports that he turned-down Atleti). I assume there must be a low-ish release clause in case we keep pissing around in mid-table and we must have thrown a chunky signing-on fee at him too to seal the deal. Whatever the details, he'll get a full pre-season to get ready. Just please be a reliable lynchpin and help us win the FA Cup, for the love of God, it's all we ask.
I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
Petty Heath.I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
It’s the Villa way. Cue an announcement any minute that his wife/girlfriend wants to move to Bordeaux instead.
Bordeauxly Green.
Petite Heath.
Welcome Boubacar. Now you are a player for the greatest football club in the world.I'm still nervous that it could fall through....
Now stretching the shirt at BMH so all is good. https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1528728277350813699
Lots of mention of tactical intelligence. Would that make him the first player at Villa to have any kind of tactical intelligence since ... I dunno, Petrov? Footballing brains have been sorely lacking in recent years.Footballing brains? With Micah Richards, Gabby, and more recently Joe we've probably been in negative equity for any kind of intelligence for a while
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been answered, but did Sanson and Kamara play together in the same team at Marseille?Yes
I think he but the call in to Kamara to say how comfortable the bench is at Villa Park
Can anyone provide any insight on his leadership qualities?
It feels like we've been missing that aspect in the midfield for quite some time.
Can anyone provide any insight on his leadership qualities?
It feels like we've been missing that aspect in the midfield for quite some time.
No, but at 22 I wouldn’t expect him to start bossing people around.
Tarkowski would be an excellent signing. I really rate him.However signing players from relegated teams usually doesn't workout too well. He has been playing in a struggling team for few years now so a losing mentality will be an issue.
He has leadership qualities. He has often captained Marseille. Marseille is probably the team that get most pressure from their fans in France.
Can’t say I’ve heard of him but glad Gerrard has identified an area we’ve needed upgrading for a long time. We do get bullied in midfield at times and I’d like to see another central midfielder come in who can play but is also physically able to look after himself.
Big summer ahead but I really think we are a few players away from a very decent team/squad.
Can’t say I’ve heard of him but glad Gerrard has identified an area we’ve needed upgrading for a long time. We do get bullied in midfield at times and I’d like to see another central midfielder come in who can play but is also physically able to look after himself.
Big summer ahead but I really think we are a few players away from a very decent team/squad.
I think of the current squad, only Martinez, Cash, Digne, Buendia, Coutinho, and now Kamara are capable of being virtual match-day shoe ins for a team trying to qualify for Europe. Everyone else in the squad to me screams 'mid table' (including younger players like Ramsey, Carney, Tim, Cameron etc who may go on to become stars but right now are still developing and need more time).
I'd hope we will at a minimum, add two additional Kamara like signings, one at CB (one of Mings, Konza, Chambers, Hause can compete for the other spot), and a striker. That would give us a fighting chance next year of starting to compete for a top 8 spot.
I think of the current squad, only Martinez, Cash, Digne, Buendia, Coutinho, and now Kamara are capable of being virtual match-day shoe ins for a team trying to qualify for Europe. Everyone else in the squad to me screams 'mid table' (including younger players like Ramsey, Carney, Tim, Cameron etc who may go on to become stars but right now are still developing and need more time).
I'd hope we will at a minimum, add two additional Kamara like signings, one at CB (one of Mings, Konza, Chambers, Hause can compete for the other spot), and a striker. That would give us a fighting chance next year of starting to compete for a top 8 spot.
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.:-) - To be fair his goals kept us in the PL the first year back
Let's hope Kamara keeps us in the PL too :)Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.:-) - To be fair his goals kept us in the PL the first year back
Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.
well they should have been :)Lots of positive comments, just like when Trezeguet signed.
I don't recall the comments from fans of Man U, Atleti, etc moaning about missing out on trez though.
Never heard of him. Is the bloke world class?
You can say that again.😂
I doubt if many on here know how good he is, including myself. He's obviously been good at Marseille, but our track record of signing players from Ligue 1 hasn't been great. Let's hope we buck that trend.so not doing the business early would mean other potential rivals could do the business before us.
I don't know if doing our business early is good either. It should be, but our signings and our timing didn't really help us for this season.
In short, I'm not going to go overboard on any new signings for a while, although by rights, Kamara should be a very good addition. The proof of the pudding...
Never heard of him. Is the bloke world class?
Just had a text from a French dude I worked with. He’s a Marseille fan. Said Kamara is very good. That’s about all I know.
Just had a text from a French dude I worked with. He’s a Marseille fan. Said Kamara is very good. That’s about all I know.
What did he say when we bought Sanson?
https://youtu.be/iFVwoetRvh0Pretty reassuring.
Marseille fans aren't best pleased. They think he's a greedy little bastard. He's basically their version of Joe.
They also think coming to us is a step down, the cheeky twats.
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
The flip side of that is we got a big fat cheque to ease the pain, marseille gets diddly squat.He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....
https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
In other words, when we're the beneficiaries you couldn't give a shit! :)
He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.More than that though. We know Jack moved for trophies as well as money and whatever people think if him signing the contract, it made us £100m.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
In other words, when we're the beneficiaries you couldn't give a shit! :)
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....
https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
They are already starting to piss me off with their project. It didnt 't take long before they became deluded
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....
https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
They are already starting to piss me off with their project. It didnt 't take long before they became deluded
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
I'm glad he's gone, the horrible, pissed up chav. I wouldn't have him back on a free.
You'd have preferred he left for free so long as he hadn't hurt your feeling by saying 'my club'?He's been there since he was a young lad (5 it maybe 7?, checked, it's 5) so I guess it will feel like that to them. I understand and empathise given what one of ours did.
I suspect Marseille couldn't offer what we and various other Premier League or La Liga teams did. Plus, let's face it, he's now in the biggest and best league in the world.
Good players leaving is always a pisser but iIt's not quite the same though in that he hadn't signed a new contract and so his departure shouldn't really be a shock to them. Greasy pissed off a year after signing a new one with us and giving it the whole "my club, my city" bollocks.
I'm glad he's gone, the horrible, pissed up chav. I wouldn't have him back on a free.
Me either. Anyway, let's not sully this thread.
I'm loving the business we're doing. Gerrard is obviously doing well along with Lange and Purslow.
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....
https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
They are already starting to piss me off with their project. It didnt 't take long before they became deluded
When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....
https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
They are already starting to piss me off with their project. It didnt 't take long before they became deluded
When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.
I could definitely see that happening.
Just to point out the obvious to the Geordies, but why do they think Bruno Guimaraes decided to leave Lyon (who were playing European football at the time) to join a relegation threatened Newcastle?
The irony of a Newcastle journalist accusing a player of snubbing the barcodes to join another club for money....
https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1528678794030096384?t=_kjCb_7tioNL-isKPZSM7g&s=19
They are already starting to piss me off with their project. It didnt 't take long before they became deluded
When citeh decide to offload grealish guess who will be first in there waving their saudi cheque book.
I could definitely see that happening.
Just to point out the obvious to the Geordies, but why do they think Bruno Guimaraes decided to leave Lyon (who were playing European football at the time) to join a relegation threatened Newcastle?
Big fan of Stotty cakes - much better than the gastronomy of Lyon.
No, but at 22 I wouldn’t expect him to start bossing people around.
Resisting the obvious Grace Bros / Marseille parallel, I like him!
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
I want a whole team of Number 10s.
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
Given my initials are DM I find it very strange indeed!
I thought you'd actually translated it there Lou, and was wondering what on earth he was on about! :)
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.
I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.
I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.
They're like a couple of nightclub bouncers that will not tolerate any fucking about whatsoever.
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.
I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.
I'd love a centre mid of Kamara and Bissouma. If we swapped Luiz + £££ for Abraham we'd be in for a serious season.
Some people on here won’t be happy until we Have a complete team of defensive mids and Tony Pulis as manager
Sorry about this john, but neither of those two are out and out defensive mids.
I think the most impressive pairing I've seen this season was Soucek and Rice at West Ham, an absolute rock of a midfield.
They're like a couple of nightclub bouncers that will not tolerate any fucking about whatsoever.
Like Mazrim and Mazrim's Bruv
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.
I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.
The more I look into him the more I want it to be Sangare, he looks a fantastic player to go along the midfielders we have.
If anyone has seen the Gerrard interview from earlier may reas in to like I dud they he'll play Kamara first and foremost as an 8 and sign another DM with Kamara filling in for said DM if needed.
I didn't take it like that, for me he was talking about the benefit of signing someone like this is that he has the football intelligence to play CB, DM or CM as well as working in different formations. That said I do think another similar player who can play a few different roles would be a good idea.
The more I look into him the more I want it to be Sangare, he looks a fantastic player to go along the midfielders we have.
It was the part where he said "we've brought him in as a midfielder" not DCM just midfielder. That's how I read it.
If he's anything like Kante, it would be like playing with 12 players.Bloody hell, if he’s ANYTHING like Kante we’ll be very fortunate to have him
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.
I'm pretty sure he's been signed as a DM but Gerrard is just talking up his versatility. If we want to play a double pivot I think Dougie can probably do that when he's not having to shoulder all the defensive responsibility.TBH, Tim and Boubou together would make a fine pairing.
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.
He's our modern day NRC, minus the huddles and pointing.
The thing is with your DMs, you want them to be much more complete footballers, like the oft-mentioned Rice and Soucek at West Ham. They both protect the back line superbly, but are also comfortable in possession and are good at driving forward, plus Soucek weighs in with goals too. A player like Nakamba who does a good job at breaking up attacks but little else will only get you so far, especially when your other midfielders include Luiz and McGinn.
He's our modern day NRC, minus the huddles and pointing.
Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.
I thought it at the time and I still think it now.
Dog shit.
I’ve decided all you DMO’s (defensive midfielder obsessives) don’t know what your talking about
You can’t even make your mind up about what one actually is
And you’ve all been talking complete bollocks for the last 3 seasons and more. 😊
Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.
I thought it at the time and I still think it now.
Dog shit.
Reo-Coker really was absolutely shit.
I thought it at the time and I still think it now.
Dog shit.
By christ he was shit. If he had the ball and tried to run with it, off he'd go in a straight line, head down, eyes fixed on the ball until he ran into an opponent.
And then there was this:
Which game was it when Reo-Coker somehow went through on goal with only the keeper to beat (obviously fucked it up) and it seemed like half the ground was laughing even before he got his shot off? Unless I've dreamt it?
Which game was it when Reo-Coker somehow went through on goal with only the keeper to beat (obviously fucked it up) and it seemed like half the ground was laughing even before he got his shot off? Unless I've dreamt it?
Was that the 0-0 at home to Chelsea in 10/11 season?
First time I ever heard the word "contretemps" used by a football manager. Didn't they fall out because O'neil expressed similar sentiments to Paulie, and basically told Nige he was shit?It doesn't reflect well on the manager who bought NRC. Sounds like they didn't do due diligence and watch him play, scope him out. And of course the manager who bought NRC was... Martin O'Neill.
First time I ever heard the word "contretemps" used by a football manager.
Philippe Auclair described it as a “stunning coup for Villa”. Talked about him being one of the future stars of French football.
I listened to that too. Auclair is a journo I've got a lot of time for so I'm pretty excited by thisPhilippe Auclair described it as a “stunning coup for Villa”. Talked about him being one of the future stars of French football.
I heard him say this as well. Definitely seemed surprised we'd pulled this off and made me optimistic.
At the time the three central midfielders that most teams seemed to be sniffing round were Reo Coker, Barton and Parker. Trust us to get the one who couldn't play football.
At the time the three central midfielders that most teams seemed to be sniffing round were Reo Coker, Barton and Parker. Trust us to get the one who couldn't play football.
Well we dodged a bullet with Barton.
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs
Limbs indeed.
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs
Limbs indeed.
Less of the 'limbs' please. From there 'tis but a short step to 'banter', and then where would we all be?
He missed an absolute sitter at the Sty from about 4 yards. Which made it better when Gabby nodded in the winner in the last 3 minutes. Liiiiiimbs
Limbs indeed.
Less of the 'limbs' please. From there 'tis but a short step to 'banter', and then where would we all be?
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
Wolves fan who writes anti-Villa songs and generally just tries to wind our fans up on Twitter.Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
Mervyn King and quick word...No. Mervyn+Quick = DeficitSome twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
I'm sure if Mervyn King has a quick word that'll go nowhere.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.
When we was pretty much safe and had just as much chance of catching Wolves as getting relegated (very slim) he was carrying on the wind up with his relegation watch, he was quite funny. He went right on to it was mathematically impossible. It was quite entertaining. Decent banter and all just a bit of fun. I think he’s just cottoned onto this sudden rivalry from the Wolves fans towards us but being funny with it.
He always looks to me like his hard drive needs investigation.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
He started off as a complete twat with his songs, but now his posts are pretty amusing. He tagged Rishi Sunak in his latest one about our accounts!Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.
Was just about to say that. I actually think he's really funny, and a nice lad.
Some twat on Twitter has questioned our spending and tagged the Bank of England in his tweet, like you do.
Bristol City fan by any chance?
No, it was HRH. Not William, some bloke called Harry Ross Hughes.
He’s always on the wind up, but he’s also not nasty and doesn’t take himself seriously at all. He’s alright really.
Was just about to say that. I actually think he's really funny, and a nice lad.
Just came on.
Just came on.Have you been hibernating?
Just came on.Have you been hibernating?
Just came on.Have you been hibernating?
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.
D'oh...thought I'd joked well.
You dumas.
I meant that Dogtanian has not posted for a couple of years.
D'oh...thought I'd joked well.
You dumas.
A message to YouTube video compilation creators of the world: we don't need your musical accompaniment. Many thanks.
Have to say I've never seen Nakamba makes passes like those highlighted in the clip above. Looks the real deal.Looks like a grown up Bellingham.
https://twitter.com/daniel_flkv/status/1535382257502134272? Highlights from yesterdays game
He reminds me a bit of Delph, we always looked pretty solid in central midfield when he was in there. It was just a shame that most of the rest of the team was shite at the time.A bit, based on the very limited footage I have seen. Though my take on Delph was that his passing was generally good though sometimes unreliable.
Since Kamara already played at a high level and will be competing for a spot in the French WC squad I hope he adapts to Premier League quickly and settles in for our good and the good of all of France.
Chateauneuf du Pape! Non.Since Kamara already played at a high level and will be competing for a spot in the French WC squad I hope he adapts to Premier League quickly and settles in for our good and the good of all of France.
Are you French, Footy?
I dread to think what that means! ;D
I dread to think what that means! ;D
I dread to think what that means! ;D
I dread to think what that means! ;D
It means, Romans go home!
I dread to think what that means! ;D
It means, Romans go home!
Are you the Judean People's Front?
I dread to think what that means! ;D
It means, Romans go home!
Are you the Judean People's Front?
Nice little montage here of his debut
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA
Nice little montage here of his debut
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA
Nice little montage here of his debut
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA
Nice little montage here of his debut
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1548677209300369408?s=21&t=EE8WFFELEo3N037-fTXjPA
Loved that tackle on James from behind as our CBs backed off.
What I noticed was that he seamlessly slipped into a back four position when we needed it. None of our current midfielders could do that except perhaps Chambers
Some of those first time passes were exquisite. I'm very much looking forward to watching this young man play next season.
Some of those first time passes were exquisite. I'm very much looking forward to watching this young man play next season.
Yes, it was a Twitter highlights reel but it did look very promising indeed.
We need a poll:
- Injured in September, out for season
- Has a great season, bought by oil money next summer
- Has a great season, stays at Villa
Just kidding with the last one.
We need a poll:
- Injured in September, out for season
- Has a great season, bought by oil money next summer
- Has a great season, stays at Villa
Just kidding with the last one.
As I put in the wacky prediction thread, I'd add that he turns into Ashley Westwood by October.
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?If you were to do a highlights real for these it would need to be of them walking their dogs.
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?If you were to do a highlights real for these it would need to be of them walking their dogs.
Was it possible to make Mess(e)rs Tonev, Helinius Maximus and that bloke off Neighbours, Brett Holman, look good in a mid-2010's highlights reel?
He goal at Norwich in the league cup i vaguely remember
He goal at Norwich in the league cup i vaguely remember
A right thunder bastard as well.
Are we in danger of an original song? Presume we’ve adapted somebody else’s?
https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw
Approx words @ https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw
I’m amused in the thread to read
“ Good, but it's no Bingo the dog (for Diego Carlos)”
Little AV has turned 3 in the close season but will approve highly if she gets to sing
D-I-E-G-O, Diego is his name-o
at her next home game.
Are we in danger of an original song? Presume we’ve adapted somebody else’s?
https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw
Approx words @ https://twitter.com/BissellJane1/status/1554929586881929218?s=20&t=Dal_XT01ACER9615EPgGAw
I’m amused in the thread to read
“ Good, but it's no Bingo the dog (for Diego Carlos)”
Little AV has turned 3 in the close season but will approve highly if she gets to sing
D-I-E-G-O, Diego is his name-o
at her next home game.
That Kamara one is dreadful, almost as bad as the Coutinho song.
If you’ve watched us since promotion and wondered “what is this team missing?”, it’s this guy. I’ve seen a lot of comments on twitter saying enjoy him while we can, because, sadly, this seems true.
What an absolutely superb signing this kid has been. Proper quality. Best player last week (wasn’t hard mind you), and again outstanding yesterday. Makes the game look very easy. We need to build around him and add real quality if we are to keep him long term.
https://twitter.com/football__tweet/status/1558746555372474369?s=21&t=42pCwptkPyL5AEulDctDLg
Nice to have a player come in and hit the ground running for a change.And he's French too. Novelty!
Nice to have a player come in and hit the ground running for a change.And he's French too. Novelty!
BK can play centre half as well and started his career there
I could see him performing very well next to Mings.
Can step into Midfield and give Douglas Luiz the 6 role
Its not ideal having Luiz there but BK is quality centre back wise as well as a defensive midfielder so surely SG would consider him there. No,?
Real shame we didn't get Kalvin Phillips as that would have been quite something having Kamara and Philips in midfield after our long search for the DM role.
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.
Well, he did get booked.
Not feisty enough today Eamonn to have the ref even contemplating reaching for his pocket.
Well, he did get booked.
It was a good foul to give away though, otherwise they were through.
The best Villa player today.
Shite again for me
Shite again for me
Bloody Hell.
Shite again for me
Bloody Hell.
Incredible opinion.
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.
Which is incredible for a young player joining from the French league.
We got 99 problems but Kamara ain’t one.
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.
Which is incredible for a young player joining from the French league.
We got 99 problems but Kamara ain’t one.
I agree, you can tell he's got class. It just makes it more remarkable that having solved what was supposed to be the key isse we now look worse as a team.
I think he’s been arguably our best player, and comfortably our best player, in our last two matches.
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.
That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor. Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.
Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes". Very comfortable at this level.
Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.
"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.
That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.
Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.
"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.
I don't think Gerrard would openly be critical of the owners and directors like Parker has, but you can tell he thinks we need more players. Our net spend absolutely does not match our stated aims.
That's pretty misleading, especially on a thread dedicated to one of our new signings who would have significantly pushed up that net spend if he hadn't run down his Marseille contract. Gerrard has only lost a promising youngster and the left back he replaced as soon as could, both for decent fees. Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals. He's not operating on Bournemouth resource levels.
Even if you added in a market value for Kamara, it still wouldn't be enough. We're still playing with largely the same midfield we've had for the last 3 seasons, who have proved time and time again that they're not good enough.
"Otherwise he has everyone from last season to go with the new arrivals". That's entirely the problem. Of course the Carlos injury was unlucky, but that squad plus Kamara and a few back ups isn't good enough, even allowing for the fact they should be doing better than they are.
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.
but it isn't a good pointer and right now is incredibly misleading. In the last year and a bit we've made the best part of £150m from sales and yet only 1 player from that would come back in and improve our first 11, that makes our net spend a really poor indicator of the relative strength of our squad now compared to the end of the 20/21 season. In my opinion we're massively improved from then but poor tactics and poor man management mean that we're seeing the squad at it's worst not it's best right now.
I think you're overly harsh on our forwards, neither are top 4 standard but both are capable of 10-15 goals and that's enough to be far better than we are. I agree we could do with another midfielder but signing one is almost pointless if we're going to carry on conceding the midfield as we have so far this season, we're not being out battled in there, we're choosing to abandon it and play 2 wide midfielders and DM that's almost a 3rd centre back.
Kamara will be like prime Kante for three games then Ashley Westwood after that.
The actual or net spend is just a pointer that the squad isn't good enough and not enough has been done to improve it. Kamara can't do everything by himself, we need a proper number 8 and a forward who isn't shit. People are mentioning the fact that we've fallen massively behind Arsenal. Well part of the reason for that is that they've bought in players including Ramsdale, White, Odegaard, Zinchenko and Jesus. Big improvements in all areas of the pitch.
but it isn't a good pointer and right now is incredibly misleading. In the last year and a bit we've made the best part of £150m from sales and yet only 1 player from that would come back in and improve our first 11, that makes our net spend a really poor indicator of the relative strength of our squad now compared to the end of the 20/21 season. In my opinion we're massively improved from then but poor tactics and poor man management mean that we're seeing the squad at it's worst not it's best right now.
I think you're overly harsh on our forwards, neither are top 4 standard but both are capable of 10-15 goals and that's enough to be far better than we are. I agree we could do with another midfielder but signing one is almost pointless if we're going to carry on conceding the midfield as we have so far this season, we're not being out battled in there, we're choosing to abandon it and play 2 wide midfielders and DM that's almost a 3rd centre back.
The squad might be stronger, but these were the players who played the majority of the season in 20/21 (Number of games in brackets):
Martinez
Cash (28) Konsa (35) Mings (36) Targett (38)
Luiz (32) McGinn (37)
Traore (29)/El Ghazi (17) Barkley (18) Grealish (24)
Watkins (37)
So all we've really done in two years is swapped Targett for Digne, Traore/ElGhazi for Buendia/Bailey, and Grealish for Coutinho. The squad is stronger overall, as we're not having to use the likes of Trez from the bench, but the end result is we just haven't upgraded a first team that has finished 11th and 14th nearly enough. Compare the Arsenal team from then to now.
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor. Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.
Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes". Very comfortable at this level.
It's probably because when he looks up to pass, his two colleagues in midfield are behind him to the left and right filling in for Roberto Carlos and Cafu.
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor. Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.
Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes". Very comfortable at this level.
It's probably because when he looks up to pass, his two colleagues in midfield are behind him to the left and right filling in for Roberto Carlos and Cafu.
This. It is frustrating beyond belief the number of times our midfield players drop into the space between Kamara (or the centre-halves) and the fullbacks, achieving nothing other than slowing our progress because the ball can comforably be passed directly to the fullback that is higher and wider.
Closing a clear passing channel like this would be spotted and corrected by most parks teams, yet it happens with such frequency it is clear (to me) it is coached and part of Gerrard's pattern of play >:(
Kamara has been one of few positives so far this season and looks real quality. UTV
He's been really good, in my opinion. But as others have said, it seems really strange that filling a position that many believed was the missing piece of the jigsaw, has seen team performances go through the floor. Barring the first half yesterday with Douggie, the other two midfielders always seem so far away from him when he gets the ball rather than playing a midfield unit.
Whatever happens, even though it's only been a few games, I think we can file Bouba under "transfer successes". Very comfortable at this level.
Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
You know it might just work ;)Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
You know it might just work ;)Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
Agreed, though when Man City do it they do it quicker, include passes further forward so they can isolate fullbacks 1v1 or they just keep patienty recycling the ball until an opponent is slow to move leaving a gap they can exploit with pace and/or precise passing.You know it might just work ;)Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
I swear, that endless short passes around the back four, sometimes involving the midfielders, which is basically Man City style 'give it back' build up is genuinely the only single thing I see us do which makes me believe we must do some training.
Of course, Man City do it whilst looking for the ball to someone like KDB to then make something happen. We do it just to lose possession or hoof it up pitch, usually into touch.
You know it might just work ;)Easily fixed. Play Ramsay, Luiz and Coutinho as centre backs. Most of the first half at west ham was konsa and chambers passing it to each other. At least this way we will have better passers on the ball!
Yep, this is the biggest problem right now for me. Them both dropping in means Coutinho has to come really deep and we end up with something like a 532 but with all of our central midfielders in that 5, which is fucking stupid.
I swear, that endless short passes around the back four, sometimes involving the midfielders, which is basically Man City style 'give it back' build up is genuinely the only single thing I see us do which makes me believe we must do some training.
Of course, Man City do it whilst looking for the ball to someone like KDB to then make something happen. We do it just to lose possession or hoof it up pitch, usually into touch.
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.This.
Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
Exactly this. Any sniff of momentum going forward, that happens, we get closed down and the ball goes back to the CBs to tap around again. A couple of times against westham, we got it to Coutinho in space. He looked up, tried to be busy, saw nothing and passed sideways/backwards, and eventually it was back with Konsa/Chambers.
Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.
If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.This.
Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.
Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
Illustrates how plain it is for all to see, even Micah Haha. The fact that SG chooses not to see it really points to his stubbornness, and he'll end up moving the deckchairs round the deck while the boat sinks.Exactly this. Any sniff of momentum going forward, that happens, we get closed down and the ball goes back to the CBs to tap around again. A couple of times against westham, we got it to Coutinho in space. He looked up, tried to be busy, saw nothing and passed sideways/backwards, and eventually it was back with Konsa/Chambers.
Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.
If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.
This ...I agree with the idea of go through, go round or go over. That's what is so wrong with us. On paper we look like we're planning to go through, the full backs are pushed up as if we're trying to go round but we move the ball so slowly that we end up with little choice to try to go over.
Gerrard talks a lot about identity but has no idea how to give us one and every week we seem to look more like the players are making it up on the day.
... and ...Illustrates how plain it is for all to see, even Micah Haha. The fact that SG chooses not to see it really points to his stubbornness, and he'll end up moving the deckchairs round the deck while the boat sinks.Exactly this. Any sniff of momentum going forward, that happens, we get closed down and the ball goes back to the CBs to tap around again. A couple of times against westham, we got it to Coutinho in space. He looked up, tried to be busy, saw nothing and passed sideways/backwards, and eventually it was back with Konsa/Chambers.
Our attacking players are hopelessly disjointed. When we have decent possession in the final third they are static or they run into the same space or one runs when the passer is looking to play to feet or they stand still when the passer expects movement.
If someone does drive with the ball or creates an overload we fail to capitalise often enough because the other players are uncertain what kind of delivery or link-up to expect.
At Arsenal did anyone else notice how upset he was when he was subbed?
He appeared irritated. No outburst, but irritated.
Must I ?At Arsenal did anyone else notice how upset he was when he was subbed?
He appeared irritated. No outburst, but irritated.
Put this sort of thing on the post-match thread.
Harsh, he's specifically talking about Bouba, and this is a thread about said player.
There's Flintstones and RichieHoltes pissing-off a lot more people with their negative drum-banging than Footy making a new point.
I'd also like to point out that I'm not some new poster, I've been a member for a good number years, never had any issues.
I don't know why my dislike for the owners lying has causes such drama leading to me being targeted
I'd also like to point out that I'm not some new poster, I've been a member for a good number years, never had any issues.
I don't know why my dislike for the owners lying has causes such drama leading to me being targeted
Because:
1. you throw it out on every other thread regardless of what the discussion is.
2. you refuse to accept that they've spent a fortune already and have plans to spend pelnty more on the stadium redevelopment.
3. you've likened them to the trotters and accused them of lying about or ambitions with very little to back up your claims other than 'net spend'.
We get that you feel left down by the owners but you're a stuck record, you even said you were going to stop, before going into overdrive and posting it far more than before.
The owners saved us in 2018 from a fate that doesn't bear thinking about.Blaming the owners is way down the road as far as I am concerned
Even if they go a bit Lerner on us for a few years they rescued us when we were a second tier club that couldn't pay its taxes and could have lost a future £100m for a pittance.
Some very short memories here. Back in the summer of 2018 I would have snapped your hand off if you told me we'd be here on transfer deadline day pissed off that we had just bought a £13m established premier league midfielder!
Out for the season
Out for the season
Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.
I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.Out for the season
Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.
Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.bah humbug :D
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
If the injury is that bad our fysios/ medics that was on the pitch to evaluate should have taken him off at once. He did play on for quite a while after he got the injury.
Doesn't sound good. :(On top of everything else what we don’t need is an unlucky manager😉
Whatever your thoughts on Gerrard as a manager you have to admit he's not having much luck on the injury front.
Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.
I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.Out for the season
Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.
Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
Unless you have some information to back this up.
Do we actually know he’s our for a lengthy spell or are we just fearing the worse case scenario?
still not funny.Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.Out for the season
Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.
Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
Unless you have some information to back this up.
Yet whenever a ‘big poster’ makes a tongue-in-cheek remark, regarding our luck with injuries, it’s greeted with the humour in which it was tended 🤷♂️
Do we actually know he’s our for a lengthy spell or are we just fearing the worse case scenario?
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!Did she? bloody hell.
I think everyone had had ale last night.
Andrew?Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!Did she? bloody hell.
I think everyone had had ale last night.
Andrew?Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!Did she? bloody hell.
I think everyone had had ale last night.
Back on topic, if Bouba is out, short or long time whatever it may be, and all the promising kids loaned out, does that mean our First XI is exactly the same as last year? Grim sort of way of showing ambition.
Perhaps they are awaiting some additional medical info before confirming what it is or timescales. It’ll be a knee injury of some type as this is what he twisted.
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.
still not funny.Can I suggest that if you’ve had a few ales you stay off the internet for a bit and refrain from making ridiculous, unfounded posts on here. Thanks.I don’t think saying a player is “ out for the season “ is funny.Out for the season
Just messing around I presume? No one can make that call until he goes for a scan, let's bleeding hope not anyway otherwise it's basically just the same midfield again as for last three seasons and we don't want to think of that too much.
Yes, mate.
Several beers talking 😂
Unless you have some information to back this up.
Yet whenever a ‘big poster’ makes a tongue-in-cheek remark, regarding our luck with injuries, it’s greeted with the humour in which it was tended 🤷♂️
You posted. Out for the season, no context , not knowing our luck, no emoji’s just a straight Out for the season.
Jesus wept! He said "Out for the season." He hasn't denied the Holocaust or suggested that the Queen protected sex offenders or anything!
I think everyone had had ale last night.
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.
Dendoncker will start at Leeds.
We're basically down to the first time we had last season. Excellent.
Dendoncker will start at Leeds.
He'll need to look a bit sharper than he did against Southampton. For a defensive midfielder to play nearly 30 mins when we're defending a 1-0 lead and touch the ball 4 times, it's a bit odd.
Does anybody know what the injury is or how bad it actually is? Weird that the club is wishing him a speedy recovery on social media without confirming what is actually wrong with the lad!?
Perhaps they are awaiting some additional medical info before confirming what it is or timescales. It’ll be a knee injury of some type as this is what he twisted.
Hopefully we’ve moved on from the mystery Grealish , will he won’t be rubbish
I'm starting to think this injury shite isn't just bad luck. Nobody can be this unlucky, FFS.
that'll be his world cup over if it's a bad one
Is this another case of a clearly injured player being allowed to continue and likely doing more damage? What the hell are our physios up to?
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.
Until we know what he's actually done it's just speculation, there are plenty of injuries that 'feel' like you can run it off but after 5-10minutes you realise it's just not right.
There was the Spurs player (Doherty?) who Cash tackled/brutally attempted murder on. He played on for about 15 minutes.
IIRC Okore came back on for a few mins when he did his ACL.Correct.
Didn't Roy Keane play on with an ACL that time v Leeds as Fergie had already made the 3 subs? Could have finished his career.
Let's hope it's not a serious injury.
nothing's come out yet..?
nothing's come out yet..?
Turning out to be a long diagnosis. Fingers crossed.
2 months is a long time to lose your best player. Better than I expected though.
Well, I was fully expecting them to announce he'd have to have his leg amputated, so I suppose 2 months has to go in the 'win' column.
There's the summer transfer window down the drain.
I'll be interested to hear the extent of the injury. He'll be lucky if it was an MCL sprain or the like.. hoping for no tears or ruptures.
I feel bad for BK, get well soon.
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January
cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!
From the OS.
Aston Villa can confirm Boubacar Kamara suffered a knee ligament injury during last Friday’s victory over Southampton.
The midfielder sustained the damage during the first half of our encounter with Saints and was replaced by Douglas Luiz shortly before half-time.
As a result of the injury, Kamara was forced to withdraw from the French national squad for this round of UEFA Nations League fixtures and has begun a rehabilitation programme.
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now
You're a barrel of laughs !
With him and Carlos scuppered i think it buys Gerrard a little more time if i am honest
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January
cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!
So over 3 months then..?
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January
cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!
So over 3 months then..?
There's the World Cup break as well which is maybe what Sid meant as we are not playing anyway.
It's typical of our luck. Hopefully Clive and Marvelous can step in. I think he'll put Luiz back in there though, especially now we have his corners as an added threat. Not letting him go looks like a good move.
reading some of the posts i thought his career was over - it is just 2 months he will return in January
cheer up it is the weekend and we wont lose this weekend!
So over 3 months then..?
There's the World Cup break as well which is maybe what Sid meant as we are not playing anyway.
It's typical of our luck. Hopefully Clive and Marvelous can step in. I think he'll put Luiz back in there though, especially now we have his corners as an added threat. Not letting him go looks like a good move.
The irony of all of this is that Chuck would have got the game time he so desperately wanted
We just can't get a break can we?
Cash
Digne
Carlos
Kamara
4 of our starting XI out for some time.
You can't account for a glut of injuries ..
Not worried in the slightest. We’ve been rubbish with them playing so maybe it’s a blessing in disguise..
I think it may have been Tim who might have possibly featured a bit more rather than Chuck.
L’Equipe reporting that he's back in training at Villa. Saying that he’s running and doing individual work with the ball already.
https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Boubacar-kamara-a-repris-avec-aston-villa-et-peut-encore-pretendre-a-la-coupe-du-monde/1361216
Probably still won't be back pre World Cup but looks like there's been no setbacks so far.
L’Equipe reporting that he's back in training at Villa. Saying that he’s running and doing individual work with the ball already.The article stipulates that he could be back for the world cup and could even play as early as November 6th for The Villa which as you said sounds pretty optimistic.
https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Boubacar-kamara-a-repris-avec-aston-villa-et-peut-encore-pretendre-a-la-coupe-du-monde/1361216
Probably still won't be back pre World Cup but looks like there's been no setbacks so far.
Prediction - he wont play under Gerrard again now
It says in there he's been using the hyperbaric chamber and could start training with the first team next Monday, and could be back for the Man U game.
I'd rather he waited till after the world cup. No point in rushing him. Dendoncker can cover.
Get him back in, next to Dendonker and move Douglas further forward.
Get him back in, next to Dendonker and move Douglas further forward.
I’d have Dendonker and Nakamba as Kamara’s understudy/rotation, and Sanson as Dougie’s. Sell McGinn to one of these clubs who haven’t watched him play for the last 3 years and are preparing £50m bids.
I'd rather he waited till after the world cup. No point in rushing him. Dendoncker can cover.
Super quick recovery by Bouba! It's about 6 weeks since he picked up the injury against Southampton. Similar to Ezri Konsa's quick recovery from a knee injury at the end of last season. Let's hope Diego Carlos is ahead of schedule with his recovery time from his ruptured Achilles injury!
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.SG's formations certainly weren't causing any pressure on the opposition CBs!!!
No wonder mistakes were made.
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.SG's formations certainly weren't causing any pressure on the opposition CBs!!!
No wonder mistakes were made.
I think that SG's formations and methods were causing undue pressure on the CB's.SG's formations certainly weren't causing any pressure on the opposition CBs!!!
No wonder mistakes were made.
His setup asked questions of everyone bar the opposition
I hope he doesn't quite make it.
I'd prefer he stay with us, get's properly fit and that Emery has the chance to work with him more.
I agree with Drummond.
Nah, we want our players to be happy. I hope he makes it to the World Cup.
Nah, we want our players to be happy. I hope he makes it to the World Cup.Any players we want tapping up ;)
I agree with Drummond.
I might frame that.
He wasn't expected to be back in training and available for match selection until after the World Cup.
It's not coincidence that Gerrard left and both Kamara Digne to be a part of the squad? Really must have been some goings on for some of these players to not be selected. They were signed under SG and stopped playing for him
We welcome him back now and look forward to seeing him in midfield again. I think he was a great signing. A very assured player. Emery could use him in the centre back role as would be excellent in taking the ball and building up play.
They didn't stop playing, they were injured. Then they recovered. They were both mentioned by Gerrard as being closer to a return then first thought, so any conspiracy theory is just pure nutjobbery. It would take some doing to fake an injury that convinced our highly qualified medical staff and regular scans etc, and then have it magically clear up when the manager gets sacked.
It's utter nonsense.
If he makes the squad and is not over played, then at least he should be fully match fit when he returns, which may not be such a bad thing. I'm a bit nervous about him breaking down though.
It's utter nonsense.
It' fucking hilarious is what it is. I've only just noticed it and it's cheered up my morning, plus the comments after of course !
I'm a bit surprised Kamara has come back as soon as he has.
Boubacar Kamara’s first half by numbers vs. Brighton:
100% pass accuracy
20 touches
5/6 ground duels won
4 tackles won
2 ball recoveries
1 clearance
1 shot
Thought he was excellent today, quite surprised the criticism he was getting on the match thread. He's a quality player.
Kamara and Luiz are forming a great partnership. We now have a real presence in midfield.
Thought he was excellent today, quite surprised the criticism he was getting on the match thread. He's a quality player.
France must have a special midfield set up if they can leave Kamara out
Luiz (24), Ramsey (21), Kamara (22). That is some serious potential. Lets see where they can get us to with a world class coach. Ireogbunam to come in as well at some point...Aaron Ramsey could quite conceivably be a contender for our #10 role next season, as well.
Luiz (24), Ramsey (21), Kamara (22). That is some serious potential. Lets see where they can get us to with a world class coach. Ireogbunam to come in as well at some point...Aaron Ramsey could quite conceivably be a contender for our #10 role next season, as well.
KKH should, next season, be pushing Cash for a starting position.
And Feeney.
When I read up about Emery, I read that he's known for giving kids a chance. I'd imagine the likes of A Ramsey and Iroegbunam will have the best chance of coming through and those that haven't been out on loan yet will go out and get that experience.
I wonder if it's actually better/easier to bring 3-4 players through into the senior squad together than one at time. It keeps them together as a group and reduces the pressure on each of them individually by pushing the pressure onto the manager and coaches instead (who've decided to risk bringing so many through at once).
Emre appears to want to use all 5 subs so that should increase the opportunities for younger players.
Emre appears to want to use all 5 subs so that should increase the opportunities for younger players.
Indeed, but they have to be in the squad in the first place. This was the subs bench on Sunday:
Substitutes
8 Sanson /Ramsey. A.
16 Chambers / Feeney
17 Augustinsson / KKH
18 Young
20 Bednarek
25 Olsen / My nan, God bless her soul
31 Bailey / O'Reilly
32 Dendoncker / Iroegbunam
35 Archer / erm Archer/new Striker/Watkins
On top of that you need to add Watkins who was ill, Coutinho who is injured and Carlos who is due back this season. Bednarek is only on loan so he'll be gone, and would think that even with the change in boss that Sanson will be off. Ashley Young won't go on forever, so maybe another place there. Chambers can probably GTFO as well, but assuming we buy a couple of seniors, there's still not much room for kids without injuries or a bigger clear out.
I wonder if it's actually better/easier to bring 3-4 players through into the senior squad together than one at time. It keeps them together as a group and reduces the pressure on each of them individually by pushing the pressure onto the manager and coaches instead (who've decided to risk bringing so many through at once).
I suppose it's possible as with the Beckham and Scholes era Man Utd team, but quite rare. They all need to be good enough for the first team, and even then that's quite a clear out of senior players to accommodate them in the squad.
Looks the real deal. Keep it up Bouba.our best player by a mile today.
He needs a solid and reliable partner in there next to him.I am looking forward to seeing Tim Iroegbunam next to him. Those two could compliment each other extremely well.
I'd like to see Kamara and Dendonker as the pivots in a 4231 system.Yes, I think you're right.
Kamara looks really good, and was our best player yesterday. Looks consistently good as well, unlike Luiz who has your tearing your hair out one minute, then playing a sublime pass the next.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1607812340497481729?s=46&t=S3bUt1d4au5sQeuvhcLC9QThat is top top play.
Impressive stuff.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1607812340497481729?s=46&t=S3bUt1d4au5sQeuvhcLC9Q
Impressive stuff.
Kamara looks really good, and was our best player yesterday. Looks consistently good as well, unlike Luiz who has your tearing your hair out one minute, then playing a sublime pass the next.
Agreed...another thing I like about Kamara is that he doesn't fall over when an opposition player beats him. He works his nuts off to try and get back, unlike some of his team-mates.
He needs a solid and reliable partner in there next to him.
Proper fucking player this guy.
Yes. Just imagine what he'll become over the next few seasons.
When we signed him I thought Kamara might become the player we've desperately needed in midfield for 3 years, it's taken him less than half a season, gives us everything we've been missing and, importantly, frees Luiz up to be the player loads of us suspected he could be with a bit more freedom.
One of the most gifted players I have seen at Villa for a very long time.Indeed. I thought he was also brilliant against Liverpool and you watch a couple of more games like this and Press will soon earmark him for PSG etc.
If he could only play up front & score and play in goal as well we would cause teams more than a few problems 😉
He’s superb. Great vision, gets stick in and rarely gives it away.
He is a fantastic player and I want Villa to surround him with other classy players. Rarely wastes a pass, covers well for others, reads the game superbly. Would be Captain for me. Best player on the pitch.
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.
When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.
Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.
When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.
I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.
Fabulous little player. The more I see of him, the better he looks.
Ridiculous and shows no understanding of my points in discussion. It's actually like marrying someone who's really good at 2 things and able to do both fantastically well!Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.
When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.
I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.
Kamara going to centre back might be something he does later in his career but not now, totally unnecessaryYes it's not currently feasible but the view is that he has all the qualities to play and be an outstanding centre back.
I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.I immediately thinking"no" to the aforementioned because I just had a break.
Yep it’s a daft idea. It took us what feels like decades to find an outstanding DM. So a better idea is to buy a top tier CB to upgrade from Konsa on the right or Mings on the left. Someone to ultimately partner Carlos.
Why would we want to move the best CDM we have, from a position that has been a trouble spot for us for as long as I can remember? If we want comfortable ball playing CB’s, then we need to buy comfortable ball playing centre backs. We have one in Carlos, so we will just need another. There is no point in upsetting the CDM slot when we have just got it covered with probably the best option available…
I am sure it was in jest Footy.I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.I immediately thinking"no" to the aforementioned because I just had a break.
And even though I respectfully take on board there is a suggestion or something not to post
I was actually planning to start giving to H and V once more! But these sort of things set me back! As it then becomes a discussion in my thoughts as to how long before someone says I shouldn't post or is trying to exclude me.
Mods really should be the only ones who have the authority on that. Think you're taking advantage of how soft I am but unlucky for you my new years resolutions is not to be dictated to online or off.
New year wishes to you anyway!
Yep it’s a daft idea. It took us what feels like decades to find an outstanding DM. So a better idea is to buy a top tier CB to upgrade from Konsa on the right or Mings on the left. Someone to ultimately partner Carlos.Why would we want to move the best CDM we have, from a position that has been a trouble spot for us for as long as I can remember? If we want comfortable ball playing CB’s, then we need to buy comfortable ball playing centre backs. We have one in Carlos, so we will just need another. There is no point in upsetting the CDM slot when we have just got it covered with probably the best option available…
These comments came across to me as people who weren't fully understanding the idea of a player who could play multiple roles and I was bringing up some points on this that hadn't been covered by anyone for discussion previously.
I was expanding the discussion which were far too readily dismissed as proved bybtge response which don't allow for further open talks
Additionally, if my post was properly read, I provided full justification and explanation rather than merely stating, "Play Kamara at centre back." Cavaets were present. I discussed all of the options for meeting the need for possession-based centre backs and for developing the squad's current players.
I don't think he'll be playing centre back any time soon, Footy.
Yes Footy as CL said. You carry on mate with your left field input and as eamonn said it makes this place better. Happy new year.I am sure it was in jest Footy.I think it’s time for another sabbatical Footy-Vill.I immediately thinking"no" to the aforementioned because I just had a break.
And even though I respectfully take on board there is a suggestion or something not to post
I was actually planning to start giving to H and V once more! But these sort of things set me back! As it then becomes a discussion in my thoughts as to how long before someone says I shouldn't post or is trying to exclude me.
Mods really should be the only ones who have the authority on that. Think you're taking advantage of how soft I am but unlucky for you my new years resolutions is not to be dictated to online or off.
New year wishes to you anyway!
I think she should also sing whilst doing that.Move him to central defence? Jesus Christ.
When we sign Felix, let's move him to DOF.
I know, it's like marrying Lee Hyori and telling her she's only allowed to do the washing up.
I don't think he'll be playing centre back any time soon, Footy.
What I like is Kamara and/or Luiz dropping back deeper more often to collect the ball from our goalie/centre backs and progressing the move forward.What I've noticed since the WC break is that both Mings and Konsa are bringing the ball out more and passing better; as well as letting Kamara and Luiz drop back to receive.
So much better than Mings/Konsa dithering on the ball before going sideways/backwards or hoofing.
The midfielders dropping back a little is helping there. There isn’t so much space between them & that allows a much simpler pass to be made. Good movement allows for good passing. It was always a principle of Wenger back in the day that the player on the ball always had people move around him so that there were always two simple passing options. I’m not saying Emery is Wenger, but the principle remains the same.What I like is Kamara and/or Luiz dropping back deeper more often to collect the ball from our goalie/centre backs and progressing the move forward.What I've noticed since the WC break is that both Mings and Konsa are bringing the ball out more and passing better; as well as letting Kamara and Luiz drop back to receive.
So much better than Mings/Konsa dithering on the ball before going sideways/backwards or hoofing.
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.
Very impressiveBrilliant.... Lets move him toCB :)
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1609899308366663680?s=61&t=81aR483cfMvrJBZiUfIDlg
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.
Yep, I can really see him being charmed to go to a club by a manager who clearly doesn't want to be there.
A friend who's die hard Spursy was absolutely blown over with how good Kamara was yesterday. He said Kamara bullied Bissouma out of the game.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.
Yep, I can really see him being charmed to go to a club by a manager who clearly doesn't want to be there.
Spurs fans truly are delusional bell ends.
And oh yes he thinks Spurs will sign him at the end of the season.All Spurs fans are idiots. Every single one of them to a person.
Very impressiveBrilliant.... Lets move him toCB :)
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1609899308366663680?s=61&t=81aR483cfMvrJBZiUfIDlg
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.
Same as the Liverpool feature.I'm looking forward to seeing him partner with Tim in central midfield (partly because they're both very classy, and partly to wind up the Bitters).
Awareness, knows when to go quick or slow, balance, doesn't fall even when hit, tackles intelligently, prefect weight of pass..
Love it.
Me too. I have rated Iroegbunam as one of our top prospects for a while now & I can’t wait to see him in a Villa shirt next to Kamara. A midfield trio of Kamara, Iroegbunam & Ramsey is young, pacy, exciting, dynamic, etc. Will be very difficult for the opposition to counter their movements. I can’t wait to see it.Same as the Liverpool feature.I'm looking forward to seeing him partner with Tim in central midfield (partly because they're both very classy, and partly to wind up the Bitters).
Awareness, knows when to go quick or slow, balance, doesn't fall even when hit, tackles intelligently, prefect weight of pass..
Love it.
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.
Yep i saw that with the taking photos . In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??Well people who are going to a Premier League match for the first and maybe only time will take photos on their big day out.🙂
Yep i saw that with the taking photos . In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??Well people who are going to a Premier League match for the first and maybe only time will take photos on their big day out.🙂
There were a large number of Son fans there. Also the queues at the shop were testament to a marketing success. Their club shop was certainly an upgrade on ours.
I'm not sure I particularly like it, but it's almost unavoidable.
Yep i saw that with the taking photos . In any circumstance like that whether celebrating or commiserating why would you do that ??Well people who are going to a Premier League match for the first and maybe only time will take photos on their big day out.🙂
There were a large number of Son fans there. Also the queues at the shop were testament to a marketing success. Their club shop was certainly an upgrade on ours.
I'm not sure I particularly like it, but it's almost unavoidable.
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.
Isn't this the sort of thing Mr Woodhall alluded to when he said (to paraphrase) "To get where we want to be, we must become the thing that we hate".
I saw a photo of Luiz sliding after scoring yesterday and in the background in the crowd, they're 80 percent photo-taking tourists.
Isn't this the sort of thing Mr Woodhall alluded to when he said (to paraphrase) "To get where we want to be, we must become the thing that we hate".
Bloke at work stated Kamara looked good the last couple of games, would he have kept Gerrard in a job if not injured. I stated no, as Kamara had some good games pre-injury but we still looked like shit because Gerrard couldn't work out how to organise the players properly anyway. Emery does.
Bloke at work stated Kamara looked good the last couple of games, would he have kept Gerrard in a job if not injured. I stated no, as Kamara had some good games pre-injury but we still looked like shit because Gerrard couldn't work out how to organise the players properly anyway. Emery does.
Thank God we will never find out.
Getting better with every game, we need more signings like him. Strong, composed, able to compete when it gets physical and looks after the ball. Brilliant player.
He needs a partner in there next to him. Someone more physical. Kamara is a world class player and we need to build the side around him. Fantastic player, so very composed on the ball. Man of the match against Leeds.
Guy just has that touch of class dosen't he? Just so calm in possession and he hit some wonderful passes tonight.
We've missed this type of player since the Barry/Petrov years.
He'll be off like a shot at the first opportunity I think, if he can run his contract down at his boyhood club and leave on a free. So I'm not getting attached to him. Hope we can progress with him over the next year or two so we keep him for a while and get a good profit.
Must admit I couldn't quite see what the fuss was in his first games and even soon after he came back from injury. But in recent games, his composure and reliability in keeping possession and winning it has been magnificent. He seems to be the only player we have who can look after the ball properly, consistently
He'll be off like a shot at the first opportunity I think, if he can run his contract down at his boyhood club and leave on a free. So I'm not getting attached to him. Hope we can progress with him over the next year or two so we keep him for a while and get a good profit.
Please don't sell him off so quickly, we can't be having this conversation everytime a player puts together a string of decent performances.
No doubt the 'big' clubs will soon be circling.......that was the best piece of business Gerrard did during his short tenure at Villa Park.....and on a free transfer is astounding!
When carrying the ball on the run for Bailey's goal, he looked up, carried it further and without breaking stride played the perfect pass through for Bailey's brilliant strike. That, to me is football at its best.
He is brilliantly talented. He seems to be able to sum up the options on the ball with a single glance. Lesser players in our squad need to turn through a full circle in possession of the ball and all fluidity of play is lost.I was critical of him a few matches ago for playing sideways and backwards, but how wrong I was. He reminds me of when Cowans (diff players obv) first played; he needed the team around him to catch up with how good he was. Kamara seems to be understanding the team around him now and they are responding to his skills.
…and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision.
Also when he cleared a corner in injury time and he just lay there pissing himself laughing, what a bloke.And took a boot to the face for his efforts.
There was a moment at the end of the first half when he was playing out of defence under pressure and he just stopped with the ball and a Leeds player went sliding past. Totally sold him a dummy by doing apparently nothing. Total class!
Also when he cleared a corner in injury time and he just lay there pissing himself laughing, what a bloke.
He was completely bypassed by Sky last night both during and after the game.
I was thinking Paul McGrath, looks like he has all the time in the world on the ball, composed, assured and can step out of defence when needed.
When he went marauding up the pitch my Grenache rouge-sozzled eyes thought it was Watkins. I was amazed at his composure on the ball and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision. Then he passed it through a labyrinth of legs to Bailey and I realised it was Kamara.He's certainly no Nigel Reo Coker
Didn't footy get castrated for suggesting something similar?I was thinking Paul McGrath, looks like he has all the time in the world on the ball, composed, assured and can step out of defence when needed.
He could play centre half now (though it would be a waste of his gifts) and will prob end up there in the latter years of his career.
He has already played there for Marseille. He can do it, its just a waste of his talents from midfield. And then we are searching for another world class CDM. Again.I was thinking more when he hits his mid 30s, he's got the potential - a bit like Ashley Young did* - to switch roles & squeeze a few more seasons out of his career.
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.
It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.
He's the Fortnum and Mason version of Reo Coker.When he went marauding up the pitch my Grenache rouge-sozzled eyes thought it was Watkins. I was amazed at his composure on the ball and stunned to see his head turning left and right like a Terminator scanning its environment with speed and precision. Then he passed it through a labyrinth of legs to Bailey and I realised it was Kamara.He's certainly no Nigel Reo Coker
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.
It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.
They're different situations though. If there were clubs who could afford £80m and were in desperate need of a goalkeeper, I'd be worried about losing Martinez. There aren't, so I'm not.
I reckon there are quite a few who could afford £80m for a shit-hot, 23 year old defensive midfielder. Particularly given Mac Allister, Bellingham and Fernandez will all be moving this summer, have about half a dozen clubs interested in them and the clubs that don't get them will still have the money and the need for a player in that position.
As Paul suggests, he's far too good to be hanging around a mid-table Premier League club so we need to make sure we stop being one of those pretty quickly.
Can people just enjoy him and not sell him off already please.
It drives me nuts. Last month it was Emi. Now Kamara.
They're different situations though. If there were clubs who could afford £80m and were in desperate need of a goalkeeper, I'd be worried about losing Martinez. There aren't, so I'm not.
I reckon there are quite a few who could afford £80m for a shit-hot, 23 year old defensive midfielder. Particularly given Mac Allister, Bellingham and Fernandez will all be moving this summer, have about half a dozen clubs interested in them and the clubs that don't get them will still have the money and the need for a player in that position.
As Paul suggests, he's far too good to be hanging around a mid-table Premier League club so we need to make sure we stop being one of those pretty quickly.
The truth is that even if we were to qualify for Europe this year (which we won't), if a really big club (I don't mean the likes of Spurs, more Real Madrid) wanted to sign him next summer all we could do would be to get as much money as possible. Even if we were in the fucking 'champions' league, it'd be the same (see Bellingham). If our Villa-mad-from-a-Villa-family-been-here-since-he-was-6-captain can fuck off to Manchester City, I don't hold any hope whatsoever about a French kid showing any remote loyalty if the chance arises, and I wouldn't blame him at all.
From what I've seen, Kamara is world class. We will do well to keep him here for another 18 months, if as i hope, he carries on being so utterly imperious.
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Everyone is.Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.
Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
Everyone is.Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.
So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.
Everyone is.Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.
So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.
your right,we can leave that up to the ownersEveryone is.Isn't it possible to just enjoy the fact that he plays for us?
Are there people who aren't enjoying that?
But some are seeing him in another shirt already.
So what? He almost certainly will be at some point, given that's how careers in football nearly always work.
You're right he probably will.
All I'm saying is like everyone else I'm thoroughly enjoying watching such a talent play for Aston Villa.
I don't see the point in worrying about transfers or agents etc just because he's the best thing I've seen at Villa for decades.
Can't do much about it if it happens. We all know that.
The truth is that even if we were to qualify for Europe this year (which we won't), if a really big club (I don't mean the likes of Spurs, more Real Madrid) wanted to sign him next summer all we could do would be to get as much money as possible. Even if we were in the fucking 'champions' league, it'd be the same (see Bellingham). If our Villa-mad-from-a-Villa-family-been-here-since-he-was-6-captain can fuck off to Manchester City, I don't hold any hope whatsoever about a French kid showing any remote loyalty if the chance arises, and I wouldn't blame him at all.
From what I've seen, Kamara is world class. We will do well to keep him here for another 18 months, if as i hope, he carries on being so utterly imperious.
That's not even remotely the truth but part of the reason it happens so often is because of the sheer amount of people that believe that myth.
The only times where the club is in as weak a position as you're suggesting is if there's a release clause in the contract or when a player gets into the last 2 years of their deal. Even then in the latter case it doesn't mean the player is inevitably leaving and there's nothing we can do.
If what you're suggesting was true:
Benteke would've left after 1 season.
Barry would've signed for Liverpool a year before he actually left.
Luiz would be playing for Arsenal.
and a none Villa one Kane would be at Man City.
There's plenty more examples, and more of them come up every single transfer window but still everyone knows that all you can do once a player has his head turned is make as much money as possible. Have you ever stopped to think that the reason that is considered true is because the media is flooded with players from those clubs and it helps them maintain the status quo for everyone else to "know their place"?
If we want to challenge for trophies we're going to need to upset a few people over this shit.
More importantly, it's fucking annoying to see player threads full of the same "he'll be gone in a year" style comments everytime someone puts together a run of 5-6 good performances, I can understand the sentiment but if you're so worn down by football that you can't even be happy without expecting things to go to shit then maybe the sport isn't good for you.
Villa took the gamble on him by giving him a deal which was better than anything any other club was prepared to offer. For any interested party now to rekindle that interest they will have to meet our valuation and increase his wages by a considerable sum. Whoever that club might be is going to have to make a massive investment for a player who doesn’t score goals. We’ll have him for a few seasons, clubs will be taking notice and probably PSG will make the move.
What a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.
What a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.
absolutely...a Rolls Royce of a player :)
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Happy to keep it that wayWhat a player he's been brilliant for us long may it continue.
absolutely...a Rolls Royce of a player :)
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Totally agree and although I'm quite happy for it to remain so, How pundits and co-commentators have not singled him out has amazed me.
Do you think if he was at Newcastle their fans would be worried about 'when' not 'if' he'll leave them?
I don't know why there seems to be this acceptance that Newcastle, who I think have made relatively modest changes to their squad, are now shoe in top 4 (in 14 months moving from certain relagation fodder) and Villa will be happy to be top half. It's almost like because they have rich owners everyone will now roll over for them. Yes Newcastle have spent fairly big money, partly because of the premium they were expected to pay because of their owners and to get the 'pioneering' players to start the process. But if you look at their additions man for man they really haven't gone crazy.
If we want to be big we need to think big and act big - that's what Newcastle are doing. Kamara has a long contract. Yes, if we're still a bit shit in 3 years time we can start worrying about losing him. Until then, we just need to fuck the fuckers and get on with building our own team.
I don't know about that. They'll finish top 4 this season. I think they may be a bit more resiliant in transfers than you think.Do you think if he was at Newcastle their fans would be worried about 'when' not 'if' he'll leave them?
I don't know why there seems to be this acceptance that Newcastle, who I think have made relatively modest changes to their squad, are now shoe in top 4 (in 14 months moving from certain relagation fodder) and Villa will be happy to be top half. It's almost like because they have rich owners everyone will now roll over for them. Yes Newcastle have spent fairly big money, partly because of the premium they were expected to pay because of their owners and to get the 'pioneering' players to start the process. But if you look at their additions man for man they really haven't gone crazy.
If we want to be big we need to think big and act big - that's what Newcastle are doing. Kamara has a long contract. Yes, if we're still a bit shit in 3 years time we can start worrying about losing him. Until then, we just need to fuck the fuckers and get on with building our own team.
I imagine that the more level-headed amongst them know that if Real Madrid stick in a £100m bid for Guimarães then life is a bit more complicated than shrugging and pointing at how long is left on his contract.
Must say I feel, quietly, similarly about Kamara to how I feel about Martinez. I'm just kind of amazed we have him, he's so obviously top boss.Agree with this 100% - they are world class players - and we should enjoy them! We may not always have them - but at least now we have a coach that gives us a chance of getting a few more players of there quality!
How did he play today, then?
This player is such a joy to watch. He has single-handedly turned what had been one of our greatest weaknesses into one of our greatest strengths.
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!Good. That's better than them raving about him and we're not having to put up with some muppet suggesting that if he wants to get back in the French team he needs to move to either Manchester club, Chelsea, Spurzz or 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!
Sky rated his performance as 6 out of 10!
This’ll sound snobby, but so be it. He’s the type of footballer that people who don’t fully understand the game won’t see the fuss about. He’s effortlessly brilliant and not showy at all.
He's the type of player where your record with him, compared to your record without him will tell you all you need to know.
Maybe he needs to learn Spanish.
I hope we don’t move McGinn inside with Luiz.Precious few options as it stands, though. Is dendonker out for long?
Unknown "personal reasons" wasn't it?I hope we don’t move McGinn inside with Luiz.Precious few options as it stands, though. Is dendonker out for long?
Out for a few weeks.
Out for a few weeks.
Not great news but we've got 2 games in the next month, one of which is Bournemouth at home. I'd settle for him being back for the Chelsea game.
but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace were cynically fowling us .
To be fair once Doucoure got booked his goose was cooked.but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace were cynically fowling us .
He was too chicken to book them.
To be fair once Doucoure got booked his goose was cooked.but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace were cynically fowling us .
He was too chicken to book them.
If the ref had done his job and booked a Palace player 20 minutes earlier ,I don't think Kamara would have got injured. Hindsight is a wonderful thing , but the ref contributed to that spell in the 2nd half when Palace were cynically fowling us .
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1632119216269606912?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
This is encouraging. I think. Better than the prayer emoji thingy.
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1632119216269606912?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
This is encouraging. I think. Better than the prayer emoji thingy.
I don't get it, how is that encouraging?
Seems hopeful rather than encouraging to me. Hope I’m wrong.
And lastly to the only real blot on proceedings and Boubacar Kamara’s injury sounds a bad one. The Frenchman is due to have a scan today (Sunday) to reveal the full diagnosis. Kamara knew he was in big trouble as Cheick Doucore recklessly jumped in, with the Villa man immediately signalling to the physios.
“It’s the joint between the two bones in the leg. It’s not a clear diagnosis. We will have the assessment tomorrow. It’s not the ankle or the Achilles,” was the briefing reporters got in the press room on Saturday.
Early indications show the issue could well be what’s called syndesmosis, which is defined as: ‘A fibrous joint held together by ligaments. It's located near the ankle joint, between the tibia, or shinbone, and the distal fibula, or outside leg bone
According to health experts, syndesmosis sprains typically require between six and eight weeks for recovery but this is, of course, variable and only based on educated guesses at this stage.’
I thought that up to that point, the ref had let the game flow quite well, yes he was a little lenient but if there were to be cards, they would have been for persistent fouling rather than for any bad tackles for either side.The problem was they were getting away with increasingly poor challenges and because the ref let them go it was almost inevitable that they would keep pushing the margin.
This shows just what a poor January we had in terms of transfers, we’re now faced with the prospect of giving Dendoncker an extended run.
How's Nakamba getting on, could we recall him? He's not great but I'd rather him on the bench than 6 keepers.
This shows just what a poor January we had in terms of transfers, we’re now faced with the prospect of giving Dendoncker an extended run.
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
Not really in this case I think, an experienced current Belgian international as a replacement is fair enough, I can't think of too many clubs that have better options. Spurs for example are currently playing that Oliver Skipp in midfield and he's shite
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.
Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills. I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.
Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills. I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.
Skipp isn’t great but he did score a cracker the other day vs Chelsea
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.
Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills. I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.
I won't go into the January window again because it's been done to death. I read an article the other day where Emery says the reason why he's been picking two goalkeepers is because prefers the youth players to be around training rather than giving them false hope of naming them on the bench or something like that.
And what chance did Sinisalo have of coming off the bench? I can recall a couple of games in the last four years where we've had to change a keeper because of injury. I can't think of a single ocassion ever when the replacement keeper has got hurt. A third keeper, especially a youth player has got the least hope of getting a single second playing time of anybody.
I agree it's a bit odd but I'm just saying how he's explained it.
Someone else mentioned on here that three keepers are required for the pre-match drills. I’ve not seen the actual quotes though or an explanation of what the third keeper does that a coach couldn’t.
But why not have the third keeper helping with that , and not have him as a named sub? I don’t think there’s a rule that only subs can be on the pitch in the warm up ?
( I know it’s not your opinion , just repeating what the manager has said btw)
Out for at least a month according to The Athletic.
That position I suppose makes you exposed to tough tackles and clattering.I have seen it on twitter and it's absolutely horrendous tackle
Shame has been a top player for us. Do we know why the Donk was missing on Sat?
There's tough tackles and absolute wanker tackles, that fell into the latter category.He did him, took out our best player, it was deliberate.
So, it looks like a month out for Bouba according to Gregg Evans. Likely to miss 5 of the remaining 13 games. So annoying with that horrendous 'tackle'.Oh really bad news...
Presume he’s crocked for a bit, gutted got tickets for the Bournemouth game and was really looking forward to seeing him play for the first time
Just watched the Unai press conference for Hammers match.
Kamara definitely out for this match but Unai gave impression injury not as bad as many of us had feared and he will be monitored closely for following match.
Fingers crossed.
Bouba fit and back in contention which is great news! He certainly seems to be a quick healer from injuries.
Hopefully not a setback and just a precaution.
Any update on Bouba? We really need him for the run in....
Add Carlos to that list and it's four, of what should be our starting 11, currently out.
Emery's affecting games with very limited bench options. When we go from 11/12 really good players to 15/16 really good players then we can cover for injuries but he'll also have better tools to affect games with and select players/tactics for specific game plans.
Add Carlos to that list and it's four, of what should be our starting 11, currently out.
So that XI would be:
Martinez; Cash, Carlos, Mings, Moreno; McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Coutinho; Buendia, Watkins?
Works for me, but very harsh on Ramsey who's shown more form than Phil this season (though admittedly his top stuff hasn't shown as much talent as Phil's - but then, you could say the same of Bert after yesterday!).
Emery's affecting games with very limited bench options. When we go from 11/12 really good players to 15/16 really good players then we can cover for injuries but he'll also have better tools to affect games with and select players/tactics for specific game plans.
I was thinking this last night. I said to my Leicester mate "we've got nobody to come on and change a game." Two minutes later, Bert curls in a beaut for the winner. I know nothing.
I can't see Digne being here next season.
I can't see Digne being here next season.
I can - only because no other club will pay him even half of what we do.
If we qualify for Europe, we'll need him. Even if we don't, an injury to Moreno and we've got nobody else at all who can play there. Well I suppose Young can at a push, but I wouldn't want that to happen really.
Ben Chrisene maybe?
Yes, particularly on Coutinho who has been out 2 months with a hamstring injury.
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.
In the last pre-match press conference, Emery lumped Coutinho in with Cash and Kamara when he said they were all looking at another 10-14 days out. Obviously Phil would be further behind match fitness wise.
I think Bouba and Cash should both be in with a chance of making the bench. No idea on Bailey or Coutinho though, the updates on them have been a little more vague.
In the last pre-match press conference, Emery lumped Coutinho in with Cash and Kamara when he said they were all looking at another 10-14 days out. Obviously Phil would be further behind match fitness wise.
I must've missed that one but wasn't the 10-14 days thing from before Forest rather than Newcastle? If so all 3 could be available this weekend
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?
That would be my preference, if he's fit enough to play at all. If he's not completely fit, then don't play him. He was dreadful first half against Chelsea, so either wasn't fully fit or injured himself again.
Depends on what tactical masterstroke Unai has up his sleeve for Brentford and Fulham, but would we start Dendoncker and then sub Bouba in for minutes if the games allow for it?
That would be my preference, if he's fit enough to play at all. If he's not completely fit, then don't play him. He was dreadful first half against Chelsea, so either wasn't fully fit or injured himself again.
I reckon it was the latter. There was a challenge about 15mins in and he never looked comfortable after that, not quite limping but clearly not right.
Or you could just be like the Donk, come in out of blue and drop an 8 out of 10 without breaking sweat
Brentford have quite a bit of height so i would keep the Donkonator in their - he was outstanding on Saturday
Brentford have quite a bit of height so i would keep the Donkonator in their - he was outstanding on SaturdayThere is not much to choose between them height wise but keep Dendoncker as his match fitness level will prevail against a very busy Brentford team.
My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.
"This is not a pipe" works in so many scenarios.My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.
Its funny how we view these things. When i see Big Donk i hear bass guitar and see him telling the friendly housewife next door he’s come to fix her washing machine….
Chuckling 🤭"This is not a pipe" works in so many scenarios.My only gripe with the Donk is that he doesn't have an elaborately waxed moustache which I was led to believe by Agatha Christie that all Belgians have. I mean, has he even expressed a surrealist obsession with bowler hats, pipes and apples? I'm beginning to suspect he's not really Belgian.
Its funny how we view these things. When i see Big Donk i hear bass guitar and see him telling the friendly housewife next door he’s come to fix her washing machine….
Called up to the French squad for the upcoming internationals.
Called up to the French squad for the upcoming internationals.
I’d be on my holiday by now if I was him. It’s a late call up isn’t it?
He's had to postpone his honeymoon. So I read in one of the articles this morning.glad he got his priorities right, good sign for the future
Crikey! He was at the airport with his wife ready to fly off on honeymoon when he was called up to replace Rabiot. His missus (an 'influenceuse' in French) posted videos on which she says she doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. There is a video of Kamara going off with his suitcases under a decidedly grey sky.would have been much better if he had done a classic comedy thing of going on his honeymoon AND doing the call up.
https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/equipe-de-france/equipe-de-france-le-drole-de-dimanche-de-boubacar-kamara-et-sa-femme-stoppes-sur-la-route-de-leur-voyage-de-noces_AV-202306110424.html
Stoney top though, obviously to try to get in the boss's good books!
“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he isQuote“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he isQuote“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.
Prick
Go slap a woman about as that is really your level
Prick
Go slap a woman about as that is really your level
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Dua Lipa is popping around mine tonight, sorry
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he isQuote“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Margot Robbie's a keeper
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.you can't have both, that's greedy - I'll have to take one off your hands.
I bet its more difficult to get something between her legs than OlsensIn a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.
Margot Robbie's a keeper
Great, she can replace Olsen!
*Checks under settee for old sock.*In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
V Newcastle Summer SeriesI very much doubt that. Tielemans is not really a DM. His profile is very similar to Doug's but he's worse defensively. I think he'll mostly play the more advanced pivot role (Doug's role) or further forward.
Error on the second goal. I've seen it before with Kamara getting caught in possesion. I don't think he did well yesterday, and he may be worried about Tieleman's arrival.
I think he's only going to improve and the way Emery has us playing players can get caught if not careful
This site mentions 'Top Totty' in the site rules, I'll have you know.*Checks under settee for old sock.*In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
#maaate
Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.
https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
#maaate
Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.
https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
*Checks under settee for old sock.*In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
#maaate
Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.
https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\
Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.
Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.
Maybe he wanted just see the whole video? Jesus Christ, it's not real life.I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\
Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.
Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.
You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.
I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.
You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.
I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.
Maybe he wanted just see the whole video? Jesus Christ, it's not real life.
*Checks under settee for old sock.*In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
#maaate
Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.
https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
Yet more state sponsored finger wagging - as much as i agree with the motivation behind the actual message it, i dont need politicians being my moral compass. They are hardly role models themselves.
Shit.. i have broken my own point about not having political comments in a football thread - apologies
Stan Collymore once again showing how much of a Villa fan he isQuote“To replace Fabinho, I think Liverpool should break the bank for Brighton’s Moises Caicedo and although it might be a little too soon for him, Aston Villa’s Boubacar Kamara would be an excellent acquisition for Klopp having been exceptional at times last season – although I think Aston Villa won’t be motivated to sell him this summer,” Collymore said.
On a par with our other “fan” Agbonlabor.
I watched the video and didn't press the 'maaate' button... :-\
Got a warning from the actor bloke being a bit of a knob as to why I hadn't intervened. I blame it on being in a stupor of complete boredom due to how fucking dull everyone is in said video.
Agree with what the video is fighting for, but surely there's a better way to make the same point.
You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.
I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.
Kamara is starting to worry me a little bit. He's a very good (potentially a great) player, but he keeps getting caught on the ball and it'll get punished.
Glad it happened though, I would rather things like that show themselves now and get them fixed before the season starts.
Kamara is starting to worry me a little bit. He's a very good (potentially a great) player, but he keeps getting caught on the ball and it'll get punished.
Glad it happened though, I would rather things like that show themselves now and get them fixed before the season starts.
I believe it is a combination of understanding football, being threatened by Tielemans and the competition, the talent of Douglas Luiz and him being first choice, and maybe one of the most important things BK being strong enough to play at dm and free from injury.
The potential is there, but it can be casual and indecisive at times. He was a Gerrard signing, but I believe Emery has room for him since Kamara has a lot of quality on the ball despite some obvious flaws in trying to play in Emery system he's very talented and generally a classy footballer.
I think that's part of it Dogtanian, he's bullied on the ball a bit. When he has time and space on the ball he's brilliant, but Leicester showed what happens if you closely mark him and give him a bit of close attention.
I think that's part of it Dogtanian, he's bullied on the ball a bit. When he has time and space on the ball he's brilliant, but Leicester showed what happens if you closely mark him and give him a bit of close attention.
The special attention applies to any player however good. Kamara gets that attention because it’s obvious that if he’s allowed too much time on the ball he will control the game. He will have to learn/ or be aware to release the ball quicker at Prem level. Even so, he’s a starter for me still in every game if he remains fit. That tackle against the Brighton forward Ferguson when in on goal was pivotal to us winning the game.
You didn't press it at all? That is shocking.
I wondered who would hang around a person like the one in the video. It sounds like you would just put up with it.
Maybe he wanted just see the whole video? Jesus Christ, it's not real life.
Haven't watched the video, is Margot Robbie in it?
I didn't even get as far as pressing the play button.
I didn't even get as far as pressing the play button.Cheer up love!
I'm more of a Sid the Sexist fan.
I'm more of a Sid the Sexist fan.
Do you like chicken pet?
*Checks under settee for old sock.*In a similar fashion, Dua Lipa and Margot Robbie are on my shortlist of two.Had to Google them. If you Google Margot Robbie (https://www.google.com/search?q=margot+robbie)* the page goes all pink and there are shooting stars and whatnot.
Would bang btw.
*Also works with Ryan Gosling etc. Would not bang.
Bloody hell mate, if you haven't seen Wolf of Wall Street, you really, really want to. Or, when SWMBO is out, just google the bits with Margot in them.
#maaate
Say maaate to a mate next time their behaviour towards women goes too far.
https://www.london.gov.uk/maaate
Yet more state sponsored finger wagging - as much as i agree with the motivation behind the actual message it, i dont need politicians being my moral compass. They are hardly role models themselves.
Shit.. i have broken my own point about not having political comments in a football thread - apologies
Hookeysmith-sponsored finger-wagging about what we should post about there.
In the latest France squad.
Definitely deserved.
Much as I worry about players on international duty, we need them to start getting picked or they'll start thinking they need to move to a 'big club' to get noticed.
Dougie not in the Brazil squad in the odd one for me.
What's going on with him? Massive nosedive in his level of performance.
What's going on with him? Massive nosedive in his level of performance.
Maybe he needs benching for a while, give him some time to stew.
Although he is French and they do tend to look fucking miserable all the time, especially when amongst English people.can't blame him really.... :D
Although he is French and they do tend to look fucking miserable all the time, especially when amongst English people.It's usually because they have seen a "Sunday roast" and are thinking "What the FUCK am I doing in the company of Englishers? Do they really eat those?"
Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.
When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.
His honeymoon period is over.Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.
When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.
He got married in the summer, didn't he.
His honeymoon period is over.Certainly doesn’t look like the Kamara of last season.
When he came off today he was holding his hip, but he also does looks pretty miserable.
He got married in the summer, didn't he.
In what system does Ramsey come in for Kamara and we benefit defensively?
In what system does Ramsey come in for Kamara and we benefit defensively?
I think we'd benefit defensively from any midfield system that actually works and manages to control the game.
Ramsey? Change the formation to suit the players we have. Feels like a couple of times we've been trying to force players into positions just to get them on the pitch.The players we have suit a double pivot. It has been the cornerstone of our success since Emery joined and something we had been crying out for. It's the system that gets the best out of Luiz and in theory would probably be the system that suites Tielemans best too, although he would need to be the more advanced of the two (ie Luiz's role)
He's a young player, recently married so probably still getting some. Give him a couple of months and he'll have his energy and adrenaline back.The old penny in the jar theory.
Ramsey? Change the formation to suit the players we have. Feels like a couple of times we've been trying to force players into positions just to get them on the pitch.The players we have suit a double pivot. It has been the cornerstone of our success since Emery joined and something we had been crying out for. It's the system that gets the best out of Luiz and in theory would probably be the system that suites Tielemans best too, although he would need to be the more advanced of the two (ie Luiz's role)
If Kamara needs taking out, then the most obvious answer is now Luiz-Tielemans (Luiz playing the more defensive role). Dendonker-Luiz should also be an option, but Emery preferred to bring McGinn back ahead of Dendonker last season - so that's another option.
So whatever we chose to do with Ramsey, I'd be very surprised if it involved us moving away from two centre mids.
Yeah, but he does have a tendency to occasionally attempt to be a bit *too* clever with the ball when on the edge of our area and then lose the ball in a very dangerous position, he almost got caught out doing that again at Forest.
I still love him, but he needs to stop doing that, because I shit a brick every time.
He was fantastic today at times, Booba.
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.Let's give Tim a runout ...
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.
Big loss, we don’t really have a proper replacement.Let's give Tim a runout ...
Bouba fantastic today, Arsenal will be interested tomorrow.
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
He's talking about Kamara isn't he?
Which I felt was also fair enough. Their player was about to break past him and Kamara just stopped him. Sensible yellow card to pick up, and better to be out of the Bournemouth game than one of the two that follow it anyway.
Obviously if he'd not done it, they'd only have got caught offside anyway.
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
He's talking about Kamara isn't he?
Which I felt was also fair enough. Their player was about to break past him and Kamara just stopped him. Sensible yellow card to pick up, and better to be out of the Bournemouth game than one of the two that follow it anyway.
Obviously if he'd not done it, they'd only have got caught offside anyway.
Yes, missed the thread title so apologies for that. Everyone and their "Son" have been moaning about the Cash one that I genuinely thought it had been the only tackle in the games over the weekend.
Edit:- Although the supposed elbow by Carlos on Gil, even shown on the Beeb for some reason seems to be gathering momentum in the media.
It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
Edit:- Although the supposed elbow by Carlos on Gil, even shown on the Beeb for some reason seems to be gathering momentum in the media.
I didn’t notice that during the game. I think we were lucky that a pen wasn’t given. It was reckless by Carlos given that Gil was nowhere near getting to the ball.
yes I was talking about Kamara :)It was a piss poor decision for the card, it was a tackle he had every right to make.
It wasn’t dirty, excessive or deliberate, a genuine attempt to win the ball and he caught the player slightly who made a meal of it.
I can not remember him committing a foul before that. Awful ref.
As the player had to be subbed off, I don't think he made a meal of it. It was a late challenge as the player played the ball faster then Cash anticipated, probably made slightly in frustration. As others have mentioned, it would be the classic challenge shown under the dictionary definition of Yellow Card Offence: Late Challenge Example.
Edit: forget it.
Blundered for tonight's goal but it didn't put him off his game the way early mistakes sometimes did last season.
Its clearly done to an instruction though as Dendonker also does it when he replaces him in games.
Heart in mouth moments in a number of matches when Boubacar has the ball near the penalty area. The closer to the half-way line he is, the greater the player he is. Konsa should be keeping a closer eye on him and shepherd him more.
Heart in mouth moments in a number of matches when Boubacar has the ball near the penalty area. The closer to the half-way line he is, the greater the player he is. Konsa should be keeping a closer eye on him and shepherd him more.
Even Konsa had a few uncharacteristic iffy moments last night.
Majestic.Like a fine red wine.
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.
Disappointed with his sending off. We will miss him now for some key games over the holidays. Still should get players back so hopefully the impact isn’t too great. And he can get a rest too.
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.
Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.
Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.
Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.
With the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.
Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.
Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.
Man U are fucking shit. We should be expecting to go and at least get a point if not all three.
True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.
True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.
It's just annoying when it really didn't need to happen. If it was a last ditch mis-timed tackle to save a goal then fair enough, but just handbags after some Emi and Maupay nonsense? Really daft.
Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.
For quite awhile he was being the calm one. But as I mentioned on the thread, how he got a red and certain Brentford players did not is certainly a question. Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.
Hear hearFor quite awhile he was being the calm one. But as I mentioned on the thread, how he got a red and certain Brentford players did not is certainly a question. Martinez definitely walked on the edge as well and might have retrospective punishment.
Like you said, it was strange how Bouba went from the one trying to calm the situation (first with Maupay - I'm guessing in French), then with others, to being the one to get the red card. My suspicion is something was said to him, or there was contact not shown in the camera, because he seemingly went from calm and in control to hand in the face in about two seconds.
It's disappointing that he got a red card, but I'm also pleased with the team spirit which showed we're not going to let ourselves be bullied by the more physical teams. We'll give as good as we get.
We won there the season before last, we can do it againWith the review process what is the odds of us dragging it on till after the United game? Would have loved to have him available at old Trafford but Sheffield and Burnley we should be fine without him. I cant see it being overturned but wondered if we could delay the ban by a week.
Nah, I think when you've put your hands into someone's face, any appeal would be seen as a pisstake with a chance of actually increasing the ban.
Your probably right, I mean losing at united was always on the cards anyway full strength or not but if we manage 6 points from the next 3 games we will still be sitting pretty.
Man U are fucking shit. We should be expecting to go and at least get a point if not all three.
Shit or not we struggle at old Trafford and have for as long as I can remember. I'd love to be leaving the Burnley game on the 30th after 3 more wins on the spin but those shit arses will find a way to get 4 pens and beat us.
Watching the highlights again, McGinn goes mental at Kamara after the red card, tapping his head to indicate he thinks Bouba's been an idiot. That's what you want from your captain, setting him straight.
Yes but it’s always a in the moment thing and I am happy for our players to become feral on occasions as long as it’s not every match.True. He plays an important role keeping thing ticking over. But JJ coming back to full health helps. And it’s inevitable we were going to get a red eventually or suspensions overall. We’ve been pretty good for the most part.
It's just annoying when it really didn't need to happen. If it was a last ditch mis-timed tackle to save a goal then fair enough, but just handbags after some Emi and Maupay nonsense? Really daft.
100% this.
So stupid. Hopefully Youri is back.
We had struggled at, (checks notes™), Brentford before too. I expect us to smash the bastards.This. Unai is rewriting the old norms into new routine.
Nice flick for the winner.
Disappointing red. Why can't players just walk away?
Watching the highlights again, McGinn goes mental at Kamara after the red card, tapping his head to indicate he thinks Bouba's been an idiot. That's what you want from your captain, setting him straight.
That prick that got himself involved in our goal celebrations lit the touch paper and slinked off without sanction, the snidey get.
For me Kamara is the player we have the least cover for, so timing is awful. Especially with McGinn a booking from a ban too. A midfield at Old Trafford of Dendonker, Luiz and Ramsey doesn't fill me with joy
For me Kamara is the player we have the least cover for, so timing is awful. Especially with McGinn a booking from a ban too. A midfield at Old Trafford of Dendonker, Luiz and Ramsey doesn't fill me with joy
We are fortunate with who we play next... frustrating thing is he was trying to calm the situation down, yet got a couple of pushes and then reacted.
Zaniolo, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey (with added Teilemans and Dendonkar) isn't the end of the world.
Emi wouldn’t be who is is without that element to his game. He’s a maverick. He can’t be held responsible for Kamara grabbing anyone on the same way Ollie can’t be blamed for the ruckus after the goal.
I’m sure the boss will have a word in private with all involved.
Maupay is French.I really, really think that there was nothing of the sort to it.
Can't help thinking there was some leftovers here from Martinez antics at the last World Cup.
Feel sorry for him, he shouldn't have raised his hands but that twat had a swipe at him first and he'd been trying to be peacemaker up until that.
If he is going back to France, I doubt it will be for "Christmas".
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?
I developed rather a liking for Ricard in the summer.
I love Ricard.
I love Ricard.
Why am I not surprised. ;)
I love Ricard.
Why am I not surprised. ;)
Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?
I love Ricard.
Why am I not surprised. ;)
Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?
I'm saying nothing. The last time I speculated on your image you took great offence.
If he is going back to France, I doubt it will be for "Christmas".
I love Ricard.
Why am I not surprised. ;)
Is that my image? A flatcapped Provençal pensioner having a lazy game of pétanque?
I'm saying nothing. The last time I speculated on your image you took great offence.
I forget what it was, but I'm betting anything the word 'topknot' was thrown about with callous abandon.
Jesus is one of the great prophets of Islam, though, so maybe he'll raise a cheeky Ricard on the 25th?
I developed rather a liking for Ricard in the summer.
Group Ricard used to be one of my clients and despite massive success with so many of their brands we couldn't do anything with Ricard. We even tried Ricardinhas (a twist on Caipirinha) but the French owners soon put a stop to that. It doesn't matter how much you dilute it, it still tastes of nasty cough medicine.
Ratio of 1:4 or 1:5 is my preference.
I hope not it's poison.
I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Does anyone know where he now is with regards to future bookings and suspensions when the next phase begins. ie how many bookings until his next suspension and how many games will it be?
I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!
Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
The Germans are wont to order Pastis and Coca Cola when on holiday in France.I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!
Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
The Germans are wont to order Pastis and Coca Cola when on holiday in France.I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!
Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
Savages.
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands.
I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!
Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands.
Well as you said, you were 'on a trip'. Obviously when you 'came down' hundreds and thousands probably weren't so magical. #fussyjunkies
Can't use coke as a mixer for anything, induces waves of nausia from a bad experience in my youth with Malibu.
I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!
Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
How about cassis?
What’s with the quirky space before the exclamation marks?
Is that some sort of linguistic French muck?
When I was in school we went on a trip to the Netherlands and we were all disgusted when we came down for breakfast and all that was on offer was slices of bread and hundreds and thousands.
The Germans are wont to order Pastis and Coca Cola when on holiday in France.I hope not it's poison.
*gasp* Sacrilegious talk! We're very protective of our aniseed-based paint stripper round these parts.
Tell me about it. As I mentioned above the French were not happy when we tried to introduce Ricardinhas. For them it was right up there with Americans buying up all our 1994 Vintage Port (a vintage of the century) and immediately drinking it.. with fucking Coca Cola. There are certain things in life that you just don't forget or forgive.
That actually made me angry.
Me too. Fucking Coca Cola!
Everyone knows Pepsi is superior.
Never tried Pepsi with Ricard. I may give it a go.
Savages.
No. I love Germans but they do have some weird and idiosyncratic habits.
Of course, I'm basing this on experience of close family and extending it to the entire population of the Bundesrepublik.
You only realise how much he does when he isn't there to do it. The link up play between defence and attack just isn't as fluid when he's out.
Without checking Google, is Bouba out for three?Yes - straight red.
You only realise how much he does when he isn't there to do it. The link up play between defence and attack just isn't as fluid when he's out.
I think him and Pau are absolutely vital.
Also we need cannot have McGinn taking up a deeper role. He needs to be given the freedom to attack them from a more advanced midfield position
Also we need cannot have McGinn taking up a deeper role. He needs to be given the freedom to attack them from a more advanced midfield position
Can Lenglet play this role? Someone mentioned he may have done before?
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!
I did think after the SheffU game that Tim might have been worth playing in Kamara's role. When he debuted against Burnley (during the Scouse Fraud's tenure) he looked very assured in that role.
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!
Angry? I'm furious about it. Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/I thought that was just me.
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/
I'm still furious about Derek Mountfield scoring an own goal then letting Robert Rosario past him for the equaliser at 3-3 against Norwich back in April 1990. :-/
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!
Angry? I'm furious about it. Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.
Still furious after all these days after an event?
I thought at the end of the Brentford game with his sending off that we might look weaker without Bouba. Plus losing Torres and Tielemans has impacted the balance of the team. Kamara would've been particularly good at Old Trafford. I'm still annoyed at that stupid sending off!
Angry? I'm furious about it. Totally unnecessary and could be very costly for us.
Still furious after all these days after an event?
I genuinely think Martinez is more to blame for the red than Kamara. He leaves Maupay on the floor and it doesn't happenYep , started a silly episode we didn't need , we were winning the game their only hope was cause some chaos . All so naive
I genuinely think Martinez is more to blame for the red than Kamara. He leaves Maupay on the floor and it doesn't happen
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.Bugger. I didn’t realise he is such a huge jeopardy for us out of the team. So based on every strength is a weakness in equal measure Unai needs to develop a better option for next absence.
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.That is a serious stat.
It's also an incorrect stat, it's actually 6 wins in 17.
Do players get their pay docked if they get sent-off and suspended or did that go out with shin pads and white dog muck ? Seems unfair that you get Christmas off for being a div while your teammates toil and flail about without you.
Do players get their pay docked if they get sent-off and suspended or did that go out with shin pads and white dog muck ? Seems unfair that you get Christmas off for being a div while your teammates toil and flail about without you.
There always used to be a standard FA fine, but it was the same fine whether you were a Premier League player or a Sunday league player.
I think most contracts have a financial penalty, but nothing that would really touch the sides for someone earning pretty much any wage in the top two / three division.
Won 6 out of 16 without him. Silly billy with that red.Bugger. I didn’t realise he is such a huge jeopardy for us out of the team. So based on every strength is a weakness in equal measure Unai needs to develop a better option for next absence.
The two games Kamara has missed we were also missing Torres, which changes the back line completely. Then we have Ramsey and Diaby, neither of which are in great form at the moment. I don't think it's a case of Kamara being the sole reason we've had a draw and a loss.Yes Torres was a huge loss as his inclusion would have stopped Carlos acting like Father Christmas with the ball.
Agree, we have missed him.
He’s a good player in his own right but more so he makes the rest better too. Luiz and mcginn both have more freedom and possibly trust in the system when Kamara is sat behind them.
The replay looked like he'd twisted his knee at an awkward angle. I hope he's ok and back for next week.Knowing our track record he'll be out for the season
These injuries are really mounting up. I hope it's nothing to do with his knee ligaments, but you fear the worst especially after Emi Buendia and Tyrone Mings' season ending injuries.
So that’s his season over then.probably
If he's out long I'd much rather we use Tim (the player, not the poster) rather than dropping McGinn or Tielemans back there.
If it's longer term I think McGinn is our best option in that role. I thought it would be Tielemans, but McGinn is the only one I'd trust to play there now and he did a good job at the end of last season.
Now that Ramsey looks to be getting back to form we can just about cope with moving SJM.
Got to give Tim the chance now, no point moving McGinn and Tielemans is useless in our own half.
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Got to give Tim the chance now, no point moving McGinn and Tielemans is useless in our own half.
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
looks like he slipped / lost his footing on the grass. Do they water the pitch too much ??If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.
Worrying if truewhat ?
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.
Worrying if truewhat ?
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Buendia's was pre-season though, and Mings was first game, so obviously wasn't overuse by then. Kamara seemed to fall in a funny way when trying to hold off a player. We don't know that it's an ACL, but if it is, it's just bad luck.
If it's an ACL it will be a proper kick in the gut. We can probably shuffle the 11 to cover that position without too much of a drop off in quality now that JJ is back fit, but honestly, we have zero depth in midfield at that point. It's an opportunity for Tim to come in and shine. If Kobbie Mainoo can have a run of games at 18, let's see what Tim can do at 20?
Has any premier league side ever dealt with 3 ACL injuries in one season?
4 as they are throwing Konsa only having his scan for the check of his knee injury today.
just our luck thisWorrying if truewhat ?
On social media its being reported ACL injury for kamara
just our luck thisWorrying if truewhat ?
On social media its being reported ACL injury for kamara
Social media taking the most catastrophic view of both injuries. Whatever….I Google social media if I got health issues, according to them I died years ago
Social media taking the most catastrophic view of both injuries. Whatever….I Google social media if I got health issues, according to them I died years ago
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.
Cheers, Paul, I feel slightly less sick after reading that!
Just to wind back a little, it's not being 'reported on social media' it's 1 account with a pretty iffy record on injuries that captured a still frame of the match and said it looked like an ACL injury. Pretty much everything stems from that 1 report.
For what it's worth the image makes it look a lot worse than it does in video, when you see it in real time it looks like a small degree of lateral hyperflexion (or the knee bending to the side slightly more than you'd normally expect). At worst I'd guess a grade 2 MCL which would be 4-6weeks, more likely nothing serious or a grade 1 which would be 3weeks-ish.
Even if he’s only out for up to 6 weeks it’s still a big blow to our top 4 hopes
We all know McGinn and Luiz in the middle doesn't really work so if the worst happens I would much rather Tim be given a go. I know history tells us Emery won't do this but I'd like it given a good go.
I genuinely wonder how anyone would know what the injury is.
Is it based on an image or has there been a leak from the club? I don’t see how you can diagnose an injury from an image
although he did put his hand up for attention straight away after doing it.
It’s Villa though so I expect the worst but pray it’s good news.
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.
Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.
I don’t share others views that we can shuffle the deck and basically more or less cover the loss. Kamara is uniquely excellent within our squad, this is an absolutely catastrophic blow to our chances.Absolute nightmare, our problems started with his sending off and we really did not cope well without him.
3 ACLs to key first team squad players is just ridiculous, suspect it won’t get the same coverage as Spurs having some absences for a few months.
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.
Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.
I'd rather use the players we have than Dendoncker.
We didn't sell Dendoncker though, we've loaned him. Limited FFP gains, surely barely worth the risk. We can flog him at the end of the season regardless.
Unai did back Tim but has only given him a few minutes since he got back, each time in a losing cause with the pressure off. I'd be shocked if he suddenly starts him, I think it'll be McGinn and Luiz in the middle with Tielemans ahead of them.
I'd rather use the players we have than Dendoncker.
Absolute choker this is.
Is this something to do with or pitch? There is plastic grass woven in with the real grass - are studs catching?
Again, Tim does.
Now we're left with an untried kid or a square peg in a round hole.
I'd be really surprised if Tim starts when we're under huge pressure to get some points on the board. Surely it has to be McGinn?
Mcginn is not a defensive midfielder though. If anyone, Luiz will play there if he dosent give Tim a run out.McGinn did it last season didn't he? And yes, of course Luiz has to adapt accordingly.
Mcginn is not a defensive midfielder though. If anyone, Luiz will play there if he dosent give Tim a run out.McGinn did it last season didn't he? And yes, of course Luiz has to adapt accordingly.
As for Chambers - I think you need a sit down DC.
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.
I think we are going to have to.;How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.
This.
McGinn played alongside Luiz for 6 or 7 games in the second half of last season, with Luiz moving a bit deeper.
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.
This.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.Nothing I've read / heard changes my previous opinion.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
I would be happy for them to put their trust in Tim if we need cover; I don't think re-positioning players who should already be in the team serves us well.
Agreed. Assuming Kamara is out for a while now, I'd say this is how I'd line up:
Martinez
Cash Carlos Torres Digne/Moreno
McGinn Luiz Iroegbunam Ramsey
Bailey Watkins
How about we play Tim and only disrupt one position.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Jeepers Demitri, that’s utter detritus you’re spouting.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Anyway it’s a great opportunity for Tim to step up and establish himself in the first XI.
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?
Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard ofWell, actually, it isn't.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?
Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?
Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted. See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?
Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted. See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.
Your last paragraph is so wierd 😂
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?
Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted. See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.
Your last paragraph is so wierd 😂
Not really. All the groups mentioned advance crackpot theories and when asked for the reasoning behind their assertion fall back on "prove I'm wrong then".
Apart from BC54s data about the womens game injuries last season no one else has really provided much data to show me there isnt a chance all im hearing is opinions not facts
Its pointless carrying this topic ive said my bit and i stand by it that there could be a chance until i see solid evidence that its impossible. None of us know for sure.Lets just move on im sure everyone is fed up of the last few pages!
Just hope kams doing ok mentally. Its so heart breaking 💔
he was right thoughIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
FFS give it a rest, it's boring the life out of the rest of us.
Well he is and he isn’t. Correctly stating the injury. However, ACL injuries are down to twisting your knee in the wrong direction, what they do in training has zero to do with this. Unless they are training them in how to get an ACL injury.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.
How do we know all the demanding training sessions are not having a impact on their bodies? 3 ACLS in a season is crazy. It cant be a coincidence two arsenal players did theirs under emerys team and villareal had another at villareal. I just find it too much of a coincidence
Im sure ill get shot down and im not saying 100% this is the case but unless someone shows me proof you cant 100% say its not a factor
Sorry if it sounds a bit conspiracy theory its not suppose to be
Yeah, consider yourself shot down. Utter nonsense , with all due respect
Yeah you really have persuaded me with that post with all due respect =)
Someone show me the evidence that its impossible there is no link
No, you should prove that what you suggest has happened, actually has. You surely can't with any sense if seriousness ask people to prove hairbrained ideas are bollocks.
Im not telling anyone there opinions is "bollocks" or nonsense like you have just done so i dont need to prove anything. You have to prove to me its "bollocks" or if you cant its not bollocks is it?
Show me the data to prove its bollocks? Ive highlighted earlier three clubs emery has had ACLs injuries in a earlier post. Two arsenal players picked up ACL injuries and three of ours have. That cant be all bad luck.
You're missing the point. You're the one with the hypothesis, it's up to you to provide some evidence or even some other credible viewpoints that back up your argument, otherwise it won't be generally accepted. See also The Flat Earth Society, Ghost Hunters and those that believe the moon landings were faked.
Your last paragraph is so wierd 😂
Not really. All the groups mentioned advance crackpot theories and when asked for the reasoning behind their assertion fall back on "prove I'm wrong then".
Ive never heard of any of them groups yet you have so im not sure how u can call me a crackpot 😂
Not sure what on earth this has to do with our great club
Any chance of ending the quotathon?
Villa have used 27 players in the Premier League this season, which is about average and similar to United and Spurs, but their outfield players have played more minutes in all competitions and been rotated less - the least in the Premier League in fact.
Outfield players to have played more than 1,800 minutes in 2023-24
Aston Villa (10) John McGinn (2,884), Ezri Konsa (2,823), Douglas Luiz (2,759), Ollie Watkins (2,711), Boubacar Kamara (2,410), Matty Cash (2,239), Moussa Diaby (2,055), Lucas Digne (2,022), Pau Torres (1,831), Leon Bailey (1,810)
Surely this is an Emery legacy issueIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard ofWell, actually, it isn't.
Last season, Arsenal Women suffered four ACL injuries within six months from November 2022 to May 2023 being, in chronological order: Beth Mead, Vivianne Miedema, Leah Williamson and Laura Wienroither.
Surely this is an Emery legacy issueIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard ofWell, actually, it isn't.
Last season, Arsenal Women suffered four ACL injuries within six months from November 2022 to May 2023 being, in chronological order: Beth Mead, Vivianne Miedema, Leah Williamson and Laura Wienroither.
Tough on Kamara. I think we can cope though and may even garner more points.I think this is only the second time I've seen the word "garner" in written format.The other was by Mervyn Peake.Bravo ,sir!
The real question is what Covid vaccine did our boys get and was it the same as Real Madrid / Arsenal women?
The real question is what Covid vaccine did our boys get and was it the same as Real Madrid / Arsenal women?
I haven't had the jab since 2021, and I haven't suffered any injuries in that time. Just saying.
Losing Kamara is arguably the worst injury of the three knee injuries as we have a replacement for Mings in Torres and JJ and Tielemans for Buendia. We don't have a natural replacement for Bouba other than an untried Tim. Massive blow this.
Losing Kamara is arguably the worst injury of the three knee injuries as we have a replacement for Mings in Torres and JJ and Tielemans for Buendia. We don't have a natural replacement for Bouba other than an untried Tim. Massive blow this.
It is a disaster, but it’s up to us to come through adversity.
Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.I didn’t see the incident that led to Kamara’s injury yesterday, and my recollection is that Buendia’s injury happened in training, so I don’t think we know exactly how that happened. However, Mings’s injury happened completely innocuously, and didn’t have anything to do with tackling in a certain way, or anything else that could be coached.
He simply slips while turning to chase an opponent....no tackling involved.How do you know they are not being asked to tackle in a certain way? I know someone who did their ACL by just getting their studs caught its not that simple to say its just how the kneels positioned.I didn’t see the incident that led to Kamara’s injury yesterday, and my recollection is that Buendia’s injury happened in training, so I don’t think we know exactly how that happened. However, Mings’s injury happened completely innocuously, and didn’t have anything to do with tackling in a certain way, or anything else that could be coached.
Anyway, I think the general consensus is that your theory probably is a conspiracy theory.
Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
Were you being managed by Unai Emery at the time by any chance?
Yes. It was all his fault.Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
Were you being managed by Unai Emery at the time by any chance?
Doubt Emery will be starring irogbunam , it will be Tielemans in and a reshuffle with McGinn going deeper. Emery doesn't really play the youngsters other than fleetingly
Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
I think we're on to something.Any chance of ending the quotathon?I once did my ACL in B&Q shopping for MDF.
UTV.
I did mine after a BBQ whilst having a dads versus kids kick about. My brain told my legs that they can still do it! sadly, my legs disagreed.
Seems too coincidental that the letters B and Q feature in both of these incidents, perhaps that’s the cause.
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;
1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;He's also had some Premier league minutes, with a full game against Burnley under the Scouse Fraud.
1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;
1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.
I didn't like the despair that had crept into your posts after the Chelsea game. It's reassuring to have you back being positive (to the point of lunacy!)
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.And dismissing that a 'thing' could exist just because you don't know what it is seesms equally naive to me
I cant say one way or the other whether Tim will start on Saturday, but the reasons why he should for me are far longer than the why not;
1)You don't disrupt McGinn by denying us his pressing and ball carrying in wide channels.
2) It's Tim's position
3) Same height as Kamara and he's mobile like Kamara too
4) 30+ games of 2nd division mens football, with both a successful and then struggling side under pressure
4) We ought to monopolise possession in the next 3 games so he'd get a 3 game run up to Spurs
5) We need to continue to showcase more of our youngsters for financial reasons. If Tim grabs his chance, then we have a player to keep or a player to sell that would generate a lot of money on the FFP score.
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.And dismissing that a 'thing' could exist just because you don't know what it is seesms equally naive to me
There might not be a thing, you don't know, there is no evidence to support the thing that you don't know whether it exists or not...this is absolutely the core ingredients needed to argue passionately and with no little emotion about until at least Thursday when we can start arguing about something else.And dismissing that a 'thing' could exist just because you don't know what it is seesms equally naive to me
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.
We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.
We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Eh ? 🤔
Prove god doesnt exist
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
If Tim doesn’t get game time against Fulham, Forest or Luton I don’t know when he will.
I can't see Emery dropping Tim straight into the action, but he'll have to start introducing him as a sub a bit more often, and for longer.Yeah I think this is what happens - I can’t see him giving him a start until he’s done a few 30 min stints
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Eh ? 🤔
Prove god doesnt exist
The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.
You, on the other hand:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
seem quite positive this is about our training.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Eh ? 🤔
Prove god doesnt exist
The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.
You, on the other hand:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
seem quite positive this is about our training.
The key word "assume"
Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof
So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear
So all i have done is ask the question not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone
If thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
Let's be honest, the main reason Tim I is back in the squad is to save money.https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/01/25/tim-iroegbunam-to-get-aston-villa-chance-after-leander-dendoncker-exit/
Dendoncker is now off the wage bill and Tim was the cost effective back up.
I suspect we'll see Dougie and McGinn interchanging in the role, with Tim getting minutes off the bench
If we are going to maintain a push for CL, every point counts, can't see UE starting Tim I.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Eh ? 🤔
Prove god doesnt exist
The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.
You, on the other hand:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
seem quite positive this is about our training.
The key word "assume"
Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof
So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear
I know what it means, people are pointing out that:
1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.
"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".So all i have done is ask the question not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone
No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
And that's why people think you're being stupid.
And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.
This argument is all a little bit silly.
Where there is a small increase in the risk of ACL injuries is if players are training through fatigue but with no evidence that players are being overworked in training that's hard to see as the problem, especially given the timing of the Buendia and Mings injuries. I don't think it's fair or reasonable to blame the club medical staff for any of these, we've just had a horrible year for injuries and sometimes that's all there is to it.
If it were a training issue we'd have seen far more short-term soft tissue injuries than we have, with Calf halmstring injuries the most common sign of overtraining in sports like football. On top of that the news out of the club about the changes Emery has made the players have spoken about mental and tactical preperation and individual focus areas for improvement. McGinn mentioned how much fitter he is but also said that a big part of that was him changing his habits away from the club and in particular how he acted between the end of last season and pre-season.
Real Madrid have had three this season, including their keeper. One happened in pre-season, one in the first match and then one last month. So Emery must have been moonlighting at Real at some point over the summer.
I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.
I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation. All we can do is speculate
Real Madrid have had three this season, including their keeper. One happened in pre-season, one in the first match and then one last month. So Emery must have been moonlighting at Real at some point over the summer.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
The conspiracy theory I'm posting is that it isn't Emery who is the bad luck merchant but our very own Demitri. This season he posted once on Sept 20th, we then lose the next match on Sept 21st. Then starts posting with regularity on Dec 20th and our season has been riding off the tracks since then.
Prove it isn't that.
I hope the optimism for Tim bears out, it is a colossal ask. I’ll defer to others who have seen more of him than me, but just thinking of the academy how many players have we had come through in recent times who have become meaningful first team players for Villa? Grealish is the stand out clearly, but I struggle with others. Are there any recently? Weimann and Albrighton did but we were in a bad place, Gabby clearly a bit further back.
We’re at a different level now and expecting Tim to come in at a level to sustain a Champions League push is a huge ask. Good luck to him, I really hope he nails it, but he’ll be having to buck the trend.
Ramsey.
Dr rajpal brar speculates kamara will be out for 7-9 months with him not being 100% until 18 months
So we at best will see him back around September/october time. But with no pre season either you would imagine December time.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
The conspiracy theory I'm posting is that it isn't Emery who is the bad luck merchant but our very own Demitri. This season he posted once on Sept 20th, we then lose the next match on Sept 21st. Then starts posting with regularity on Dec 20th and our season has been riding off the tracks since then.
Prove it isn't that.
Dr rajpal brar speculates kamara will be out for 7-9 months with him not being 100% until 18 months
So we at best will see him back around September/october time. But with no pre season either you would imagine December time.
Sounds like nonsense to me. I can believe the first part, but based on any ACL’s I’ve seen in football I’ve never seen it take another 9 months post recovery to be fit again.
Chucking in a kid into a faultering team and expecting results to upturn is a massive ask. Your gambling for an impact like Yacuba Cilla. Kamara is one of the spine, a kid coming in for say Cash you could make a case for but centre mid in the premier league will be a baptism of fire. I'd be getting the donk back from loan. If you watched the ManU game on Sun they had a similar situation a young kid playing Defensive Mid. Manioo had great feet but allowed Villa to bomb through the centre all game. First half the ammount of space in front of Magiure and Varane was laughable, I just thought it was a matter of time before we scores.
Regarding the number of ACL's it does seem too many to be bad luck, perhaps there is a new piece of equipment at bodymore heath from last summer? The Knee buster.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Eh ? 🤔
Prove god doesnt exist
The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.
You, on the other hand:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
seem quite positive this is about our training.
The key word "assume"
Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof
So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear
I know what it means, people are pointing out that:
1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.
"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".So all i have done is ask the question not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone
No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
And that's why people think you're being stupid.
And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.
I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.
I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation. All we can do is speculate
If Tim is good enough now is the time to play him and find out. He’ll be 21 in June so hardly a kid.
Cole Palmer is a similar age and has been Chelsea’s best player this season.
We haven't seen enough of Iroegbunam to really know whether he can step in or not, I'd guess in training, Emery may start using him more and looking to see if he 'gets it' about the system and what's expected of him.
Emery has often commented about players adapting to his methods, Diaby last week was the latest one he mentioned in that regard.
So, Kamara is pretty unique, and I'd imagine we may consider a system change rather than expecting one player to step into his shoes.
Pretty terrible news - can see Tielemans doing a job as DM until we work out how to play without him. Hope I'm not assuming too much.
We haven't seen enough of Iroegbunam to really know whether he can step in or not, I'd guess in training, Emery may start using him more and looking to see if he 'gets it' about the system and what's expected of him.
Emery has often commented about players adapting to his methods, Diaby last week was the latest one he mentioned in that regard.
So, Kamara is pretty unique, and I'd imagine we may consider a system change rather than expecting one player to step into his shoes.
I think that's a good idea, but it does seem with Unai that it's 4-4-2 or bust. Of course there's flexibility within that, but I'd go with a proper 4-3-3 now, something like:
Emi
Cash Carlos Torres Digne/Moreno
McGinn Luiz Tielemans
Bailey/Diaby Watkins Ramsey
That's still a very, very good team. Our problem is we've basically reverted to 1981 era football, with a first 11 and two subs.
Pretty terrible news - can see Tielemans doing a job as DM until we work out how to play without him. Hope I'm not assuming too much.
I can't, keep him further forward where his final pass can work and his lack of tackle doesn't endanger us as much.
I’m almost certain it will be the tried, tested and failed format of mcginn playing as a defensive midfielder instead.Failed? Look at our results when he played there at the end of last season.
Exactly what i was alluding to yesterday that none of us know for sure but i was told to prove that the training is causing the ACL injuries and when i said prove its not the same posters couldnt.
"I think the real reason Jurgen Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because the local police have had a word about his growing obsession with stamping puppies to death, and they've suggested it'd be for the best if he left the country."
Prove it isn't that.
Eh ? 🤔
Prove god doesnt exist
The difference is, I haven't just been telling everyone how he does.
You, on the other hand:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
seem quite positive this is about our training.
The key word "assume"
Definition of assume - suppose to be the case without proof
So how have i been telling everyone exactly based on what you have just quited paulie ?? Oh dear
I know what it means, people are pointing out that:
1. The thing you are "supposing to be the case" is absolute batshit.
2. You are saying 'we' have 'got to start assuming' this, which is enrolling everyone else in your batshit theories.
"We've got to start assuming that the reason Klopp is leaving Liverpool is because of the puppy-stamping thing".So all i have done is ask the question not "told" anyone or enforced it on anyone
No, no you haven't just asked the question, you've presented it as more than that, you said:QuoteIf thats another ACL then we gotta start asming are they being pushed too much during training. You dont have three ACLs in one season. Its unheard of
And that's why people think you're being stupid.
And that's also the end of my involvement in this, it's up to you if you understand it or not. it's Monday morning and I've already spent far more of my week on this sort of shit than I would like to.
I think this is just silly. Im pretty sure calling someone stupid is against the site rules so i suggest you apologise to me as i havent been rude to you so not sure why you feel the need to ger personal. We are just having a debate thats all so relax.
I havent enforced anyone or said oh yeah the ACLs are 100% caused by what villa or emery is doing just asking the question as one ACL or maybe two but three ?? Yyou can't prove it isnt the case just like I can't prove it. Thats fundamentally the facts of the situation. All we can do is speculate
Tell you what, why don’t you stop making wild arsed guesses or what you call assumptions and speculation and then people won’t think you’re being daft. Simple really.
I'm not sure Drummond. Back then, Ings was at least useful as a sub coming on, and is better than the no striker option we have now.
How about no. Thia isnt the jon crofts forum so ill post what i like thanks. If anything your post is daft as adds nothing to the conversation
Back on subject
Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this
How about no. Thia isnt the jon crofts forum so ill post what i like thanks. If anything your post is daft as adds nothing to the conversation
Back on subject
Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this
You commented about site rules and Jon, as a moderator, responded to you doing it.
And that's why people think you're being stupid.
For clarity Demitri, I did not “call you stupid”, I said:QuoteAnd that's why people think you're being stupid.
If you can’t tell the difference between the above and “calling you stupid” then I give up.
I think you've all missed the point.
Risso 433 is an excellent idea.
I think you've all missed the point.
Risso 433 is an excellent idea.
I'm not against it but Unai seems to have shown commitment to the 442, has worked in his way with it and trusts it always as the best way to connect with the supporters.
How about no. Thia isnt the jon crofts forum so ill post what i like thanks. If anything your post is daft as adds nothing to the conversation
Back on subject
Hopefully mingsy and emi can support kamara on the long road to recovery. Come on kam you got this
You commented about site rules and Jon, as a moderator, responded to you doing it.
EDIT read pist wrong. If you want us to have a chat jon PM me. Im not interested in a fall out we are all villa fans after all.
Trying to look for the positives:And he will return fresh for Champions League knockout stage. What's not to like?
1. We did ok without Kamara for most of March and April last year. Though we did have Mings, Buendia and an in-form Ramsey.
2. No-one will be buying him in the summer.
EDIT read pist wrong.
Deleted.makes sense
Kamara fulfills a critical role as a link and cover in the MF, his understanding with Doug has been very important.
We do not really have any one to be the other in the double pivot , Tielemans , Ramsey and SJM are not the answer.
I can see some merit in a 4 3 3 that becomes 4 5 1 without the ball
Bailey -SJM -Tielemans -Doug -Ramsey behind Watkins.
The problem is our rotation options are
Diaby - has been awful for months
Zaniolio - has not shown that he is good enough at this Level
Tim- untried
Rogers see above
Duran- as above
We are 1 injury away from needing snookers.
This is without Torres and Konsa until we don’t know when.
So I can see Cash Moreno Digne playing wide MF and maybe even going 3 at the back.
The chances of this squad maintaining a top 5 position with these options I think is now unlikely.
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.I think Kamara compliments Dougie and without him he looks a bit exposed.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
We will know on Saturday what Unai plans to do about losing Kamara. If he can still pull off a minor miracle and qualify for CL it will be a brilliant achievement. I expect Monchi and co will be in full overdrive now to fix the problem. The summer transfer window will be very interesting.Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.I think Kamara compliments Dougie and without him he looks a bit exposed.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
Kamara is excellent at what he does, Tielemans doesn’t have the mobility and covering sense.
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.Exactly this!
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.The pitches?. Guessing most if not all the Premier league have the ‘magic Rooney weave’ jobs which keeps them like a billiard table all season. Bet the training pitches are the same.
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
Dougie was half the player last time Kamara missed a few games.
I hope he doesn’t fade again, we can’t afford to lose him as well.
My prediction is youri will play the kamara role and midfield of luiz JJ and mcginn. Probably bailey and watkins
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.You’re the doctor so you tell us?
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.You’re the doctor so you tell us?
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.You’re the doctor so you tell us?
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
Think you'd need a specialist from the Clinical Musculoskeletal Assessment Team for that one. I specialise in more esoteric sciences. It must be an increasing issue though, half the England Women's team were out with ACLs, we've got 3 inside 7 months, Fofana and Arsenal's Timber fell to the same thing within the first month or so... Rico Henry at Brentford. Just been through the PL injury list and there's 5 further confirmed ACLs, 1 confirmed MCL and 2 unnamed long term knees injuries. So 11 ACLs already this season, not this calendar year.
Currently still off work with an undiagnosed shoulder injury so have plenty of time and empathy for those suffering with joint issues.
Time for Timmy Irons for me. We have 2 games that are very winnable against opposition that would let him build into the team.You’re the doctor so you tell us?
Gutted for Bouba. We are having a bad season for ACLs, not just at Villa and not just in the men’s league. What’s happening? It’s very strange.
Think you'd need a specialist from the Clinical Musculoskeletal Assessment Team for that one. I specialise in more esoteric sciences. It must be an increasing issue though, half the England Women's team were out with ACLs, we've got 3 inside 7 months, Fofana and Arsenal's Timber fell to the same thing within the first month or so... Rico Henry at Brentford. Just been through the PL injury list and there's 5 further confirmed ACLs, 1 confirmed MCL and 2 unnamed long term knees injuries. So 11 ACLs already this season, not this calendar year.
Currently still off work with an undiagnosed shoulder injury so have plenty of time and empathy for those suffering with joint issues.
ACL injuries are generally down to excessive lateral hyperextension (or the knee bending sideways, in or out). Traditionally the football version of that is the Wesley scenario where a player has a planted foot and takes a heavy impact near their knee.
What we're seeing more recently is far more occurances without the impact element so it's created by a shift in the centre of gravity which means the lower leg isn't supporting the bodt weight above and that creates the force instead.
No one fully understands why this is happening (and specifically why it's so much more common in the womens game) but, for me, the 3 main things we need to look at are the boots, the pitches and dietary changes. I don't claim to have anytihng like enough knowledge to pick one or specify why I see those as the key areas but they are the 3 things that could be involved which have seen massive changes in the last 20-30 years.
Diet seems the least likely of those to me. Diets are much more closely controlled and designed to aid performance. Boots are getting lighter and the changes in stud shape was part of the issue with the Great Metatarsal Debacle of the early 2000s. Potentially training levels and techniques have changed and might be an influence. It’s certainly not increased contact in on field challenges, I think that’s safe to say.
..the amount of games too maybe?
But then you would see the problem across the board, and not just localised to one club. And all 3 have happened at different locations.
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.
I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.
I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.
Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.
All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.
I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.
I've not fact checked it, but apparently the ACL is 4 centimetres long, takes 2000 Newtons of force to fuck up, and an Italian study of some 140ish cases showed that over half of cases involve physical contact, but often even something like shoulder to shoulder.Yeah - and the Villa provided data for 139 of them
Have we not had this type of pitch for a while, though? I don't see why anybody's looking for reasons beyond us being cursed, frankly.
Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.
I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.
Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.
All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.
I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.
The prevalence of ACL injuries in the women's game makes that a separate discussion for me. A discussion that I've seen suggestions made of menstrual cycle and lack of strength training.
Have we not had this type of pitch for a while, though? I don't see why anybody's looking for reasons beyond us being cursed, frankly.
It's occurring across the whole division, I've not looked at the stats in the lower leagues. A jump of 300% in ACL injuries is a hell of a coincidence isn't it?Then how have there only been 4/5 ACL injuries in the last 2 seasons but we've had 3, 2 of which before a heavy fixture schedule has even started.
I think the most boring and likely explanation is probably just bad luck.
Real Madrid have had 3 this year. Arsenal have 2. There have been about 10 in the WSL.
All of this has already been mentioned on this thread.
I agree that the fact that a lot of those were early in the season (when watering of pitches is far more common) means training is less likely to be the issue.
The prevalence of ACL injuries in the women's game makes that a separate discussion for me. A discussion that I've seen suggestions made of menstrual cycle and lack of strength training.
That's one of the most sexist and reductive comments I've seen of the women's game. Whatever podcast you've been listening to is frankly horrendous.
If that's true then I apologise but it does sound like the type od sound byte churned out by sports pundits to denigrate the women's game. My bad.
Having just done some reading it's something of a leap to suggest that menstruation is a direct cause of ACL injuries. Women are more susceptible to Joint injuries in general and that using a hormonal contraceptive may help reduce that increased risk. Most of the 7 studies conducted globally are rated poor to fair and are in the very early stages. The largest study was of less than 70k participants.
A few years ago, when the WSL gathered momentum, ACL injuries began to bite, and I read a doctor’s view on “why?. First up, he said his theory needed far more analysis, but he posited that women have wider hips than men and thus the thigh bone connects with the knee at a different angle to men, and so put extra pressure on the ligaments.
My guess as a fully qualified IT person is that strain through many more games at a greater speed* is a contributing factor.
* I watched our European Cup the other day and was struck how mush slower it was than the modern game, men and women.
A few years ago, when the WSL gathered momentum, ACL injuries began to bite, and I read a doctor’s view on “why?. First up, he said his theory needed far more analysis, but he posited that women have wider hips than men and thus the thigh bone connects with the knee at a different angle to men, and so put extra pressure on the ligaments.
Emery was asked about Tim Iroegbunam replacing Kamara and was at his most animated: "I decided to let Dendoncker leave. Tim has to be ready and he has to be ready being demanding, saying 'it's my time, now I am here!' I don't know if he is going to, but I believe in him."
Tanswell:QuoteEmery was asked about Tim Iroegbunam replacing Kamara and was at his most animated: "I decided to let Dendoncker leave. Tim has to be ready and he has to be ready being demanding, saying 'it's my time, now I am here!' I don't know if he is going to, but I believe in him."
I hope he is being demanding. Looks like this could be a big opportunity
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.
Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.
Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.
Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.
I'd call him Villa Tim but....
He wisely avoided pronouncing Tim's surname in the presser.
Is it actually easy to say? I think a Sky commentator recently called him "I-roo-bunum" which seems achievable for all of us in this mixed-up world.
I'd call him Villa Tim but....
He can count to 5?
WTF is he watching?
WTF is he watching?
Makes me admire the professionalism, to be honest.
I dislocated my knee almost nine years ago now, and I haven't run, kicked a ball, or even walked properly since. I'm just too worried about it giving in again.
Even walking down steps, I go left foot on every step, because I don't want to risk putting pressure on my right and again seeing my leg at a hideous angle with my kneecap off to the side.
WTF is he watching?
Out until September/October.
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.
Out until September/October.
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.
Hard to see that being the issue when back in the 70s and 80s and before pitches were nowhere near the standard they are now as around this time they were mainly grass-less mud heaps. However, the technology that keeps them as such.. turf intertwined with plastic fibers might have some impact. Maybe we're just unlucky.
WTF is he watching?
I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.
No, but there are a lot of ACL injuries at other clubs too.I wonder if the heavy watering of pitches is contributing to these injuries. Most, if not all seem to occur when a foot goes from under a player and not as a direct result of a tackle.
Hard to see that being the issue when back in the 70s and 80s and before pitches were nowhere near the standard they are now as around this time they were mainly grass-less mud heaps. However, the technology that keeps them as such.. turf intertwined with plastic fibers might have some impact. Maybe we're just unlucky.
We're not doing anything radically different to anyone else, and our ACL injuries this season happened on three different pitches. I think we've just been VERY unlucky. To be fair, the arrival of Pau and Diaby helped mitigate the loss of Mings and Buendia, but the loss of Bouba is a much more significant hit to the way we play.