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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on May 22, 2022, 05:54:58 PM
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Disappointed. We should have fucked their day up.
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Two nil up with 14 minutes to go, we bring on a defensive midfielder to shore up and we collapse. Gutted we didn’t get three points there which would have been massive, already looking forward to see who Gerrard brings in to improve the team because some of these aren’t good enough.
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Only positive is that that shit show of a season is over.
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A really fucking shite way to end the season. Fuck off for a bit Villa.
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Bloody hell, Villa. Bloody hell.
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Devastated. Totally predictable what's happened today but it still hurts. And naturally we've slipped right back down to 14th. The only thing that could have topped it off worse was Grealish scoring. A day to forget, a season to forget. And Mr Gerrard you have a lot to prove next season.
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Well fake boy gets his plastic medal. Pish but roll again in August
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Can we get some real fucking footballers into the club now? Jesus christ, what an embarrassment with the world watching.
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Inept team. Inept manager and his 700,000 coaching staff.
Rubbish.
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Once they got the first one the rest wrote itself.
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If you've got something on the line and need a win, Aston Villa are the club you want to play.
What a shit day for football.
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
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Pathetic, we are so weak. So glad it's the last game and won't have to watch that lot for a while.
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Predictable way to end a poor season. Show some bottles, get rid of Gerrard and start again in the Summer
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Grealish to his new teammates “That’s why I left. Lol!”
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FFS.
Villa lose.
Grealish gets his trinket.
And Leeds stay up.
What a shit afternoon.
At least we don't have to ensure any Liverpool fans banging on about the quadruple. Literally the only silver lining.
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Inept team. Inept manager and his 700,000 coaching staff.
Rubbish.
I'd be absolutely heartbroken if one of those European powerhouses like Cluj, Glasgow Rangers or Total Network Solutions took him off our hands.
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Honestly, has there ever been a club balls up a 2-0 lead more than us. It's embarrassing
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the players just totally bottled it mentally once City scored - we all knew what was going to happen.
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Lovely goals by us. I expected nothing.
But I think Man City had the drive. They didn’t care if we scored another, they needed to win. They went for it and we couldn’t handle it, that’s all.
Some good signings in the summer and we’ll be fine.
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Devastated. Totally predictable what's happened today but it still hurts. And naturally we've slipped right back down to 14th. The only thing that could have topped it off worse was Grealish scoring. A day to forget, a season to forget. And Mr Gerrard you have a lot to prove next season.
He definitely got a lot to prove
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Why the fuck did the rat run on the pitch at the end, fucking twat!!!! And where was all the added time?
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
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Inept team. Inept manager and his 700,000 coaching staff.
Rubbish.
I'd be absolutely heartbroken if one of those European powerhouses like Cluj, Glasgow Rangers or Total Network Solutions took him off our hands.
I'd kayak back from Japan, squash him into said kayak, and paddle to anyone that would have him.
Absolutely garbage.
A special mention to Douglas Luiz for being rubbish, and Ollie for just not being able to control a football.
Sort yourselves out Villa. The absolute champions of losing a 2 goal lead.
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Shit. Bottlers.
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Once they got the first one the rest wrote itself.
Once they got the first one the rest wrote itself.
Being 2-1 ahead isn't a guarantee of defeat is it?
Where's the composure? Where's the character?
No excuses for that, none whatsoever.
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That was an awful collapse irrespective of the opposition after managing so well for an hour.
The third goal was the worst with Mings and then Luiz.
I really wish we had just lost 3-0 in a routine manner as now we will be featuring in a Sky Sports special or documentary for years about how Pep won the title in such a dramatic way.
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After Phil went off, we collapsed and whilst it's Gerrard that makes that sub, I hold Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn responsible for the awful 10 minute spell in the second half. We will never get a better chance of winning at the Library of Dreams again than today. Olsen did ok after a shaky start, Chambers did well until it really mattered. We have too many bottlers, too many daydreamers. We gave it a go for 70 minutes or so but cream always rises to the top in the end. Manchester City fans destroying their own pitch and goalposts, Jeez. I'm glad it's all over.
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Brainless shite.
Embarassing.
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Grealish to his new teammates “That’s why I left. Lol!”
Stop it! ;)
Wonder what excuse Gerrard will come out with for that capitulation?
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Roy Keane said 'there is a softness to this Villa side, that's why they've lost so many games'. So very, very true.
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Bang on. We're the new QPR.
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Note for next season. We are a team just outside the relegation places. Pretty crap
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To be 2-0 up with less than 15mins left, we shoud have seen that game out. My worry is SG doesn't have any other way of playing or game management.
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This team needs a whole new spine.
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ManCity and Liverpool are the best teams.
But 2 nil up should be able to hold it together when whatever team you are playing and that grit / fight needs to be ingrained to us next season.
And we should have found a way around Burnley last game.
Learn and rebuild wisely.
UTV
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The narrative forever will be how we collapsed to help win Man City the title. Those three goals to come back and win will be played for all of us to see over and over. We will know what QPR fans feel like every time they play “that goal” by Aguero.
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It is the new 'QPR clip' featuring us that makes me want to jump off a fucking bridge.
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That’s why you won’t be managing Liverpool any time soon Steve.
Pathetic.
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Sad to say Roy Keane said it all. Villa are soft which is why we lose games like that. If there is one thing Gerrard could have brought to us its a winning mentality. He can't even do that. Gone by Xmas hopefully
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
It was way before that. We've always been mentally weak since the prem wad forned. Losing to Oldham at home when we could have won the league in 92/93, consistently losing 3-0 to Liverpool. Just a laughing stock really, Keane said as much about our standards when he was here. Until this is sorted (I think it's too late anyway) then we'll always be plucky old villa. Forget spending money and DCMs thus is the issue, winning mentality.
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
Using that analogy, it would have started a month beforehand when we went 2 nil up at Arsenal at their place and then lost 3-2.
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We didn’t collapse.
They needed to win and have the mentality and players to attack tired players.
That is all.
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It is the new 'QPR clip' featuring us that makes me want to jump off a fucking bridge.
Yep, that's us.
The fodder for Grealish's forthcoming Sky documentary. 'How I won the title'
Bleeeeuuuurgh! Bleeeuuuurgh!
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Shambles
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Just sums up what a fucking irrelevance we have been for most of the last 30 years
Pathetic effort in the last 15 minutes by players and coaches
To fucking gift those oil wankers and Joe the title is an embarrassment
Whole season has been summed up by letting 2, 2 goal leads go. One finished the manager - the other bottled the only point of relevance we have had since Jan
14th place is pretty dire - 10 points worse off then last season.
Big, big summer - SG needs to learn a lot from this season
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The players gave it 100% but having to work so hard to keep City out meant that they ran out of steam. In the end, it was lack of quality that was the undoing. Nothing to do with “bottled it”. Many of those players shouldn’t be at Villa next season if progress is to be made.
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Our midfield is so poor.
McGinn and Luiz, and that Nakamba.
Three very limited, very shit football players. All.unfit, too few assists and goals.
Anyway, ranting over.
Up the Villa! Here's to a better.one next season!
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It is the new 'QPR clip' featuring us that makes me want to jump off a fucking bridge.
This will piss me off now than anything else for ever now. All we had to do once we were 2-0 with 20 mins to was not to lose it. Fucking despair.
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Two wins in the last eleven games. Utter shit.
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This is Villa, this is the Villa DNA. If the club were a stick of rock, you'd see "lose 3-2 from 2-0 up to a bunch of twats" going right through it. As an entity, we are utterly spineless.
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Fed up with being the fodder in scenarios like this. Fucking weak.
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I fucking hate us at times. Yes they are a great team but we just crumpled and turned to shit.
And anyone who thinks Nakamba is the answer needs their fucking bumps felt.
The ONLY consolation is that their greasy prick didn’t get a kick.
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That’s why you won’t be managing Liverpool any time soon Steve.
Pathetic.
I won't lose any sleep when we sack him!
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that afternoon sums up Aston Villa.
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Was only listening on radio but commentator was suggesting our shape went to shit when Nakamba came on. Accurate?
We go again. Enjoy the summer all!
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That was an awful collapse irrespective of the opposition after managing so well for an hour.
The third goal was the worst with Mings and then Luiz.
I really wish we had just lost 3-0 in a routine manner as now we will be featuring in a Sky Sports special or documentary for years about how Pep won the title in such a dramatic way.
This 1 million per cent
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We didn’t collapse.
They needed to win and have the mentality and players to attack tired players.
That is all.
Having a two goal lead with 14 minutes to go and conceding three is a collapse.
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I thought we would concide 2 but not 3.
Nakamba had an utter shocker last time and shouldn’t even be on the bench.
Gerrard subs are pure garbage.
At least Liverpool can’t win the quad.
Can’t say I’m looking to next season with Gerrard in charge. Fast forward to October when he is binned off and we can go again.
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It is the new 'QPR clip' featuring us that makes me want to jump off a fucking bridge.
This will piss me off now than anything else for ever now. All we had to do once we were 2-0 with 20 mins to was not to lose it. Fucking despair.
I'm furious. I'm going to send you a WhatsApp message saying the same thing 😂
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Even at 2 nil always thought that was gonna happen, absolutely gutted.
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Was only listening on radio but commentator was suggesting our shape went to shit when Nakamba came on. Accurate?
We go again. Enjoy the summer all!
Bang on. Phil was knackered but not sure Marvellous was the answer
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Once the first went in you just knew it. Soft as shite.
Did play quite well up to that point though.
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That’s why you won’t be managing Liverpool any time soon Steve.
Pathetic.
I won't lose any sleep when we sack him!
Gerrard had nothing to do with it. With 15mins to go, the AVFC badge on the players' shirts suddenly started to glow and exert its magical powers...
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Our midfield is so poor.
McGinn and Luiz, and that Nakamba.
Three very limited, very shit football players. All.unfit, too few assists and goals.
Anyway, ranting over.
Up the Villa! Here's to a better.one next season!
Why doesn't he modify the system until he gets his 'own' players. Truth is he can't and he has no planB up to this point at least.
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How can you be 2-0 up twice in one season and lose?
That should happen once in 10 years.
Bye Bye Luiz. Bye bye Traore. And the other mediocrities that are heading off to pasture.
Come on then Gerard, let's see how ruthless you really are....
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Apparently we had a player called Morgan Sanson on the bench today. He was one valued at 30 million by Marseille but no ones ever see him play.....no doubt he will go on to have career like Jordan Vertout
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
Using that analogy, it would have started a month beforehand when we went 2 nil up at Arsenal at their place and then lost 3-2.
Everyone having a go at Gerrard should remember that if he had a decent striker to select we would have got at least 2 more goals today. Ollies never going to be a top striker. He totally lacks any composure in the box. Probably our most frustrating player in years for me.
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This manager is no good.
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Was only listening on radio but commentator was suggesting our shape went to shit when Nakamba came on. Accurate?
We go again. Enjoy the summer all!
Bang on. Phil was knackered but not sure Marvellous was the answer
It was a sensible change. Truth is even at 2-0, once they got one we were in trouble. Their intensity went up several notches and we couldn’t handle it. Most teams would have struggled.
Overall the performance was way beyond what I expected. We can’t keep the ball well enough and that is the number one priority to address next season.
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We didn’t collapse.
They needed to win and have the mentality and players to attack tired players.
That is all.
Having a two goal lead with 14 minutes to go and conceding three is a collapse.
Well, yes….but in the context of what was at stake the opposition did what was needed.
I’m far more annoyed about similar events in mid-season games.
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Just seen the City goals,piss poor defending
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Just viewed table. Finishing below Leicester and those above is reasonable. Finishing below the next 5 is most certainly not.
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
Using that analogy, it would have started a month beforehand when we went 2 nil up at Arsenal at their place and then lost 3-2.
Everyone having a go at Gerrard should remember that if he had a decent striker to select we would have got at least 2 more goals today. Ollies never going to be a top striker. He totally lacks any composure in the box. Probably our most frustrating player in years for me.
why keep him on the pitch then?
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it was inevitable. I remember driving to manchester in 2013 thinking we would be the party poopers, we were one down after about 3 mins. However at least we gave them a bloody nose this time.
the subs done us.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
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Sadly a predictable result.
Bench boy not even getting on the pitch shows how much they trust him.
Great that we went 2 up, but the rookie got undone by Pep in the end in a way no pl team should ever get done.
The naivety from our bench and players with 15 to go doesn’t display a winning/grind out a result mentality for me and isn’t that supposed to be one of our manager’s strengths?
It’s simply not good enough and no doubt it won’t have gone unnoticed on Merseyside.
Anyway...
Best away result-win at Man Utd
Best away goal- Hause for that win
Worst away result(besides today)- loss at Newcastle.
UTV!
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The ONLY consolation is that their greasy prick didn’t get a kick.
If only Pepiola brought Greasy on instead of Gundogan. That chance would have gone over the bar.
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This team needs a whole new spine.
Oh, you are so right….in both senses.
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Just viewed table. Finishing below Leicester and those above is reasonable. Finishing below the next 5 is most certainly not.
Below Toon and Brentford is a crime.
I had no expectations going in to today but with the way things went I am rightly angry. So sick of these soft under-belly cock ups. No grit.
Fix the fucking team or gtfo.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
has more prem goals than Bent and Atkinson for us (in two seasons). Hmm,
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
Using that analogy, it would have started a month beforehand when we went 2 nil up at Arsenal at their place and then lost 3-2.
Everyone having a go at Gerrard should remember that if he had a decent striker to select we would have got at least 2 more goals today. Ollies never going to be a top striker. He totally lacks any composure in the box. Probably our most frustrating player in years for me.
why keep him on the pitch then?
Because the only option is even worse.
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Expected us to lose and we did brilliantly after building up our hopes, what did you really expect?
The worse thing is putting up with all the bullshit regarding how Pep got it right by his subs etc, not by how spineless Villa are!
Still we have next season to look forward too, with a 6 week siesta in the middle of it, oh the joys of modern day football!
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
Using that analogy, it would have started a month beforehand when we went 2 nil up at Arsenal at their place and then lost 3-2.
Everyone having a go at Gerrard should remember that if he had a decent striker to select we would have got at least 2 more goals today. Ollies never going to be a top striker. He totally lacks any composure in the box. Probably our most frustrating player in years for me.
why keep him on the pitch then?
Lack of options?
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Saddest thing is any football fan under 40 Will think villa did pretty well this season. Stayed up and all that.. need to change the narrative
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
has more prem goals than Bent and Atkinson for us (in two seasons). Hmm,
Atkinson played a lot of his games when when it was still the old first division so that stat means the square root of fuck all.
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Have we won playing in that bloody blue kit? I think Martinez could've made the difference and it didn't help only playing on Thursday when City had a full clear week.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wants to be a killer, apparently. A cold-eyed goal-scoring assassin....
Hmmmm.
Learn how to control a football eh Ollie.
We'll take it from there. Baby steps.
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What fucks me off is once they scored one - you knew they would come at us - where are the leaders, or even the common sense. Feign an injury, make a sub take a couple minutes, start some kind of meaningless commonition Take the ball to the corner - just see the next 5 minutes through.
Take the momentum out of it.
For me Nakamba, Luis, Watkins, Ings just aren’t up to the standard - certainly not in the system we play.
Just wish we had been spineless from the start then I wouldn’t be so pissed off right now
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We made them work fucking hard to win that & anyone who says anything else is talking shite. I've no criticism of the team or the manager for today's result. We are not strong enough to last 90 minutes & that started long before Gerrard arrived
I'm certain the spine of the team will be replaced next season & we'll be a much tougher prospect.
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Our midfield is so poor.
McGinn and Luiz, and that Nakamba.
Three very limited, very shit football players. All.unfit, too few assists and goals.
Anyway, ranting over.
Up the Villa! Here's to a better.one next season!
Why doesn't he modify the system until he gets his 'own' players. Truth is he can't and he has no planB up to this point at least.
“Plan b”. Oh for f**ks sake.
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Watching that,and not for the first time this season, makes me grateful I'm old enough to have been at Highbury in 1981 and then saw us win on that special night in 1982. The saddest part these days is that those that never saw that have very low expectations of what our club should be achieving. There is no shame in being angry at the type of performances and believing a club like villa should be finishing above Brentford.....yes, Brentford
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Expected us to lose and we did brilliantly after building up our hopes, what did you really expect?
The worse thing is putting up with all the bullshit regarding how Pep got it right by his subs etc, not by how spineless Villa are!
Still we have next season to look forward too, with a 6 week siesta in the middle of it, oh the joys of modern day football!
Yes, it’s unbelievable bullshit. It comes down to neither good managerial decisions nor ‘character’, and totally to money. We helped them too.
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This isn't normal. It's been like this for 20 years or something now, ever since that Cup game against Man Utd where we blew a 2-0 lead. Does anyone else collapse so regularly from these positions? There's something in the club at this stage, spines of sponge for decades now.
Bang on, that was the start of it
Using that analogy, it would have started a month beforehand when we went 2 nil up at Arsenal at their place and then lost 3-2.
Everyone having a go at Gerrard should remember that if he had a decent striker to select we would have got at least 2 more goals today. Ollies never going to be a top striker. He totally lacks any composure in the box. Probably our most frustrating player in years for me.
I think the point being made here is that this is a problem which precedes Gerrard and has been there for a long time.
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Imagine us being in a position like theirs one day in the near future, I know it’s hard but we’d fuck it up.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
has more prem goals than Bent and Atkinson for us (in two seasons). Hmm,
Atkinson played a lot of his games when when it was still the old first division so that stat means the square root of fuck all.
Same number of goals. Atkinson about 80% of games 71 v 85 Olie done in 2 seasons. Dallian took 4 to get that many.
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So disappointing
Thought engineered a great position at 2-0 and had set up pragmatically.
Unfortunately didn't manage to even take the point.
Olsen did ok . Especially after nervy start and provided some decent kicks up field including for the goal.
Buendia was missing and looked astray
Nakamba out if his depth.
Brilliant by Cash and Coutinho
Watkins needs more ruthless.
Await to see the summer window and what lies ahead.
See you next season God Willing
Best wishes to all this summer
Up the Villa!
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
Totally agree. Abysmal control, loose passing, missed twice when through on goal and alongside Mings’ mistakes is one of the key factors why we’ve ended up 14th.
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Watkins has been like this all season
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And another thing what happened in injury time? They put up the board for 4 mins. They didn't restart for another 2 minutes. The ref stopped the game just over the 4 minutes. 2 minutes were just lost.
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Our midfield is so poor.
McGinn and Luiz, and that Nakamba.
Three very limited, very shit football players. All.unfit, too few assists and goals.
Anyway, ranting over.
Up the Villa! Here's to a better.one next season!
Why doesn't he modify the system until he gets his 'own' players. Truth is he can't and he has no planB up to this point at least.
“Plan b”. Oh for f**ks sake.
Oh yeah. Doing somethings in a game differently. For fuck Sake. That's a Death Crime suggestion.
Gerrard thus far has demonstrated Zero Imagination. If we are lucky he will be MON2. With the wage bill to match
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Man City and Liverpool get late goals not because of desire or mentality or character, its because their benches are far stronger than everybody elses.
Roy Keane knows that better than anybody the absoloute tool. Because back in the 90s Man Utd had players on their bench to bring on who would start every game for all but 3 teams in the league.
Today they brought on Englands best player in the last tournament, and their top goalscorer from last season.
In contrast when we tired we had Nakamba and Ashley Young to turn to.
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McGinn was running on empty second half why not sub him off. Ings had to com on sooner and nakamba right player wrong time. Allowed them to move forward
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Man City and Liverpool get late goals not because of desire or mentality or character, its because their benches are far stronger than everybody elses.
Roy Keane knows that better than anybody the absoloute tool. Because back in the 90s Man Utd had players on their bench to bring on who would start every game for all but 3 teams in the league.
Today they brought on Englands best player in the last tournament, and their top goalscorer from last season.
In contrast when we tired we had Nakamba and Ashley Young to turn to.
Only going to get worse with five subs
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Olsen attacked by a shitty fan?
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Played well, much better than I expected us to given what was at stake for them and for us.
Incredibly well organised until their 1st goal. I felt they'd run out of ideas completely and were snatching at half chances.
Watkins ought to score in the 1st half, he has to score in the 2nd.
Absolutely disappointed to lose, but there seemed no way to check that momentum when the 1st went in. The crowd had been entirely silenced, ae were leaving when we scored the 2nd.
Interesting that the sovereign wealth boys brought on a player whose leaving at the end of the season rather than bench boy.
Surprisingly good performance, an all together unsurprising result. Plenty to work on and with.
Their fans hurling smoke bombs into us when the 3rd went in and then breaking their own goal posts, while singing about a Liverpool player that retired years ago. As much class as they have European cups. Amazing to be joined on the tram by Man City fans too. "Not interested, we've won it that often". Old Trafford is the other way.
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Wouldn't get shot of him.
He's been below par this season, but another three goals would have been a healthy overall return for a forward in the modern game.
I'd like to see another option brought in this summer to challenge him. And I don't mean Keinan Davis (much as I like him).
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We made them work fucking hard to win that & anyone who says anything else is talking shite. I've no criticism of the team or the manager for today's result. We are not strong enough to last 90 minutes & that started long before Gerrard arrived
I'm certain the spine of the team will be replaced next season & we'll be a much tougher prospect.
Yup. It was annoying to me rather than hand wringing.
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I was proud of our team today, City had to work harder than in any other game this season to get a result . Their quality told in the end but let’s not forget that we should have been at least 3-0 up and possibly 4-0 but for poor finishing from Watkins. On top of that his return pass to Phil when we 2v2 was worse then Sunday League standard. Some need to bare that in mind when blaming Gerrard.
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Man City and Liverpool get late goals not because of desire or mentality or character, its because their benches are far stronger than everybody elses.
Roy Keane knows that better than anybody the absoloute tool. Because back in the 90s Man Utd had players on their bench to bring on who would start every game for all but 3 teams in the league.
Today they brought on Englands best player in the last tournament, and their top goalscorer from last season.
In contrast when we tired we had Nakamba and Ashley Young to turn to.
Only going to get worse with five subs
Can't believe we voted for that shite.
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The club should come out tomorrow AM and reverse the decision of targeting the poor after that shambles
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The club should come out tomorrow AM and reverse the decision of targeting the poor after that shambles
WILMA!
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Man City and Liverpool get late goals not because of desire or mentality or character, its because their benches are far stronger than everybody elses.
Roy Keane knows that better than anybody the absoloute tool. Because back in the 90s Man Utd had players on their bench to bring on who would start every game for all but 3 teams in the league.
Today they brought on Englands best player in the last tournament, and their top goalscorer from last season.
In contrast when we tired we had Nakamba and Ashley Young to turn to.
Only going to get worse with five subs
Can't believe we voted for that shite.
same here
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We made them work fucking hard to win that & anyone who says anything else is talking shite. I've no criticism of the team or the manager for today's result. We are not strong enough to last 90 minutes & that started long before Gerrard arrived
I'm certain the spine of the team will be replaced next season & we'll be a much tougher prospect.
Yup. It was annoying to me rather than hand wringing.
Agree, we also played only 72 hours before and it showed when the first went in. We were great on the break - Watkins lacking composure again, but I would argue that most sides would struggle when Man City up the intensity to the levels they’re capable of and with a title at stake.
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Grealish humping and cuddling Richard’s??? WTAF!! Sad bastards
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We made them work fucking hard to win that & anyone who says anything else is talking shite. I've no criticism of the team or the manager for today's result. We are not strong enough to last 90 minutes & that started long before Gerrard arrived
I'm certain the spine of the team will be replaced next season & we'll be a much tougher prospect.
We didn’t collapse.
They needed to win and have the mentality and players to attack tired players.
That is all.
I really can't believe some of the comments here but I agree wholeheartedly with the two above.
Would have been nice to win but knew things would get tricky as soon as they scored. A goal changes the momentum and increases their belief just as it did when they conceded 3 in 4-5 mins to Madrid. I also think that if Liverpool had scored their second before we conceded, the result may well have been different. Their crowd would have become more nervous and it would have fed through to the players.
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The club should come out tomorrow AM and reverse the decision of targeting the poor after that shambles
What they doing? Recreating the bomber offensive over Europe? How are they targeting the poor? Do you mean we should have kids for a quid?
It was shambolic at the end today, I admit and a lot of the posts on here are written in absolute heat of the moment. However, they had a league to win, we didnt. Their bench was better than ours, they have bought their success. We have had a shit start to the season with a group of players who looked as shit as they did under smith.
One question though, what if the club did come out and it was PM?
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We made them work fucking hard to win that & anyone who says anything else is talking shite. I've no criticism of the team or the manager for today's result. We are not strong enough to last 90 minutes & that started long before Gerrard arrived
I'm certain the spine of the team will be replaced next season & we'll be a much tougher prospect.
Absolutely, I get people are annoyed but there's some ridiculous comments being made.
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The club should come out tomorrow AM and reverse the decision of targeting the poor after that shambles
Give it a rest.
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Disappointing reversal, because we were doing great. The quality for both our goals was sublime.
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The club should come out tomorrow AM and reverse the decision of targeting the poor after that shambles
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Whatever way you want to spin it, conceding 3 goals in 5 minutes to lose a game 3-2 in a fucking epic collapse.
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Olsen attacked by those scruffy Manc twats.
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FFS. I just came on to check if anything happened in the pitch invasion as I turned over in a strop once it finished.
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Olsen attacked by those scruffy Manc twats.
being reported across all the major news outlets now.
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Whatever way you want to spin it, conceding 3 goals in 5 minutes to lose a game 3-2 in a fucking epic collapse.
POTD.
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I’ve said a number of times over the last few seasons; in my opinion we never seem as fit as our opponents, which is possibly why we concede so many goals in the last quarter.
It doesn’t matter who we play - even lower league teems always seem to last the full 90 minutes better than us.
Maybe it’s because our ball retention for years now has been so dreadful that we have to expend so much energy trying to win it back
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I dont think it's spinning it to say to include context myself.
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Roy Keane said 'there is a softness to this Villa side, that's why they've lost so many games'. So very, very true.
There’s a softness to our fans.
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Well, we made a game of it I guess?!
Whilst this season has overall been poor, and you could argue that Gerrard should have altered his playstyle to suit the players at his disposal rather than his 'preferred' method, you can't question his signings so far... all 3 of which were probably our best players today - Digne, Coutinho and Chambers.
I'll give him next season before I properly start throwing the toys out - The imminent signing of Boubacar Kamara is a great start. With him sitting in that anchor position instead of Douglas Luis today, following the Mings tackle prior to the 3rd goal, we wouldn't have lost that game imo.
Coutinho was the only player outside of the back four to impress today. Midfield (inc. star boy Buendia) were dreadful. Can't remember a McGinn pass finding a teammate, Ramsay showing zero energy in closing down, Doug Luiz playing like he hasn't slept for a week. Not good enough, but I also don't think any of them will be in the starting 11 next season.
Special shoutout for Ollie too. Once again, no lack of effort, but no goals either. Not good enough.
We've finished 14th. For the money outlayed, that's clearly nowhere near good enough. Brighton, Wolves, Newcastle, Palace AND NEWLY PROMOTED BRENTFORD?! have all finished above us in the league.
9 of our starting 11 today were international footballers - There is no excuse for us to finish where we have.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and a summer window and preseason, but things are going to go drastically downhill fast if this form continues into next season.
Have a cracking summer all! UTV
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https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/22/aston-villa-goalkeeper-robin-olsen-attacked-by-man-city-fan-during-pitch-invasion-16689070/
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But this was a jubilant pitch invasion, didn't you realise? Stupid commentators
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See you next season God Willing
Best wishes to all this summer
Up the Villa!
Thank you, and same to you and all Villa fans.
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So disappointing
Thought engineered a great position at 2-0 and had set up pragmatically.
Unfortunately didn't manage to even take the point.
Olsen did ok . Especially after nervy start and provided some decent kicks up field including for the goal.
Buendia was missing and looked astray
Nakamba out if his depth.
Brilliant by Cash and Coutinho
Watkins needs more ruthless.
Await to see the summer window and what lies ahead.
See you next season God Willing
Best wishes to all this summer
Up the Villa!
And to you Footy. Decent summation.
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Watkins has been like this all season
Agreed. What surprises me is how some fans can't see it.
He is a natural finisher providing he only needs the one touch. Anything more and he exposes his extreme lack of technique. Today was no one-off. It's not his fault Gerrard wants to play a more skill based game where we generally work it through the middle. That's not why be bought him and not what he's good at. The opposite in fact.
Unfortunately I think he'll be difficult to shift for a decent price but more concerning is Gerrard wants to build a side around him. It makes no sense.
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Watkins is a good one touch finisher, give him a few touches and time to think then he's not so good at times
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This match sums up the season well. I think our first choice eleven are more than capable, it's simply our strength in depth that lets us down. If we can get get to the position where the likes of Mings, McGinn etc are squad players and not guaranteed starters, we'll be heading in the right direction. I'm glad the season is over, a big summer ahead awaits (hopefully)...
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Roy Keane said 'there is a softness to this Villa side, that's why they've lost so many games'. So very, very true.
There’s a softness to our fans.
That's at least 3 times this season we've surrendered a 2 goal lead alone. Not to mention countless surrenders over the last 25 30 years.
Until we remove this mindset of getting into great positions and then shitting our pants, we will not progress.
Given what we've spent since 2019, we find ourselves going into our 4th season back in this league where we're still depending on our owners lavish wealth to dig us out of a hole.
Not acceptable
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After a nervous opening ten minutes I thought we gave a really good account of ourselves against real quality opposition with everything to play for, and therefore felt far more nervous throughout this game than I'd expected (on the skybet6 I'd put us down to lose 5-0).
Two points.
One, I cannot for the life of me understand why Gerrad took off Coutinho immediately after he'd put us 2-0 up. With him still on the field we'd have been as likely to go 3-0 up on the break, as they would have been to get a goal back (let alone three).
Two, special shout out for Sky TV's live coverage, pretty much missing showing our second goal in order to show us a clip of Son almost scoring a goal at Carrow Road, in a game that Spurs had effectively already won.
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FFS. I just came on to check if anything happened in the pitch invasion as I turned over in a strop once it finished.
https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/club-statement-aston-villa-63788839
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Thanks. What a bunch of wankers. What the fuck is wrong with people?
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I dont think it's spinning it to say to include context myself.
It shouldn't happen at any point in any game, between professional players in the same league. Someone go down for treatment, get cramp, do something to take a breather and the sting out of it.
Embarrassing.
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Thanks. What a bunch of wankers. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Add the wanker parents who help their kids up to sit on the goalposts. Firstly, they could fall and hurt themselves and others and secondly you’re damaging your own clubs property. No respect
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Is it me only that thinks Mcginn is running with lead in his boots
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I dont think it's spinning it to say to include context myself.
It shouldn't happen at any point in any game, between professional players in the same league. Someone go down for treatment, get cramp, do something to take a breather and the sting out of it.
Embarrassing.
You're talking as if there's a level playing field or even remote parity between us and them. I'm not embarrassed by today. I cannot fathom why anybody would be.
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We did really well I thought. We got the crowd rattled, kept our shape but as soon as Nakamba came on, I had a horrible feeling about it. It just wasn't needed. It made us all go into defensive mode and the last thing you do against a team like that.
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That was an awful collapse irrespective of the opposition after managing so well for an hour.
The third goal was the worst with Mings and then Luiz.
I really wish we had just lost 3-0 in a routine manner as now we will be featuring in a Sky Sports special or documentary for years about how Pep won the title in such a dramatic way.
This 1 million per cent
Yes this for me as well. A straight forward 4-0 thrashing would have been a thousand times better.
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I thought our first half structure and passion was great, probably best of the season
5 mins of brain farts lost us the game, I do not recall too many predicting us to go 2-0 up.
So sad but not devastated
if first 45 mins is replicated with some classy additions
i an positive
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After a nervous opening ten minutes I thought we gave a really good account of ourselves against real quality opposition with everything to play for, and therefore felt far more nervous throughout this game than I'd expected (on the skybet6 I'd put us down to lose 5-0).
Two points.
One, I cannot for the life of me understand why Gerrad took off Coutinho immediately after he'd put us 2-0 up. With him still on the field we'd have been as likely to go 3-0 up on the break, as they would have been to get a goal back (let alone three).
Two, special shout out for Sky TV's live coverage, pretty much missing showing our second goal in order to show us a clip of Son almost scoring a goal at Carrow Road, in a game that Spurs had effectively already won.
Thought even we couldn't mess it up to the extent we did from being 2-0 up and fairly comfortable. The defending was really poor for the second goal when the their left-back was allowed to cut in and then again for the third goal with Mings and Luiz.
We had a chance to salvage something from the season today and show what we were about on a global scale. Instead, we just capitulated to the point where Manchester City didn't even really have to go all-out to win.
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Even at 2-0 I was still expecting our defence to cock up eventually.
It's crap to lose the way we did, but that's the difference between a £20-30 million player and a £50-60 million player which City have in virtually every position. I was more annoyed with the 4 dropped points against Palace & Burnley.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
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Even at 2-0 I was still expecting our defence to cock up eventually.
It's crap to lose the way we did, but that's the difference between a £20-30 million player and a £50-60 million player which City have in virtually every position. I was more annoyed with the 4 dropped points against Palace & Burnley.
Or getting doubled by Watford.
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As fucked off as we all are, had we been told at the start we will lose 3-2 playing hard vs Man City, who needed a win to secure the title we’d have all taken it. Versus the hammering we all thought we’d get. It’s the manner of the defeat that hurts the most, and on the back of 2 bad draws at home. A very difficult season has come to an end in a very sad way.
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I dont think it's spinning it to say to include context myself.
It shouldn't happen at any point in any game, between professional players in the same league. Someone go down for treatment, get cramp, do something to take a breather and the sting out of it.
Embarrassing.
You're talking as if there's a level playing field or even remote parity between us and them. I'm not embarrassed by today. I cannot fathom why anybody would be.
I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't be embarrassed by conceding 3 in 5 minutes.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
If we accept the standard of performance displayed today by our first choice striker, we are going nowhere fast.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
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The best and worst of Watkins today.
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Even at 2-0 I was still expecting our defence to cock up eventually.
It's crap to lose the way we did, but that's the difference between a £20-30 million player and a £50-60 million player which City have in virtually every position. I was more annoyed with the 4 dropped points against Palace & Burnley.
Or getting doubled by Watford.
Yep. There's probably been about half a dozen or so games where we've dropped around 10-15 points that we realistically should be taking.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
But get shut as soon as the window opens? Really?
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I dont think it's spinning it to say to include context myself.
It shouldn't happen at any point in any game, between professional players in the same league. Someone go down for treatment, get cramp, do something to take a breather and the sting out of it.
Embarrassing.
You're talking as if there's a level playing field or even remote parity between us and them. I'm not embarrassed by today. I cannot fathom why anybody would be.
I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't be embarrassed by conceding 3 in 5 minutes.
As its always possible, especially against the best side in the country, playing in their most important game, where they do or die effectively with 15 left. Momentum is huge in any sport.
You're easily embarrassed.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
Agreed. Love his work rate etc and he seems a lovely guy but if we use him as the main striker we aren’t going anywhere quick. Has got to me more clinical. If he didn’t have pace then no way would he be playing at this level
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God Willing
Aston Villa is my religion. Villa Park is my church. McGrath is God.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
Agreed. All the best forwards have this skill come naturally... It’s not really something you can ‘learn’. I’d question whether playing him up front is the answer… would he not be better as a winger?
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So.
We brought in Nakamba to sure up the defence and see the game out.
Then fell apart.
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Some right Rita Hayworth going on here.
Par would be 5 or 6 nil defeat. As it was it was an embarrassing collapse but then look at the game as a whole
We did OK. But I expect better next season.
However I can't see past us finishing lowered to mid table again.
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The quality of our goals though bodes well. Coutinho, bloody hell.
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Watkins was much better last season, but his form this hasn't been as bad as some would have you believe. Most of the players above him in the goalscoring table this season are world class or close to it. If we can get someone of that stature in, fine. But otherwise, I'd be very disappointed to see him leave, and would be fairly sure he would come back to haunt us.
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Watkins has missed chances in thr past 2 games and against Wolves the other week that would have given us 6 more points and a 10th place finish. Small margins.
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The need for a genuine leader on the pitch shown yet again. A true captain would have galvanised the team after the first went in and made sure the team hit City hard for the next five minites. This isn't an attack on Ming's as we've needed a leader on the pitch (except the season with Terry) for many a year. A shit end to a pretty shit season, get rid of the uncommitted and make sensible, astute signings. We've fucked up some 2 nil leads over the years, turned it into a fine art.
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
If we accept the standard of performance displayed today by our first choice striker, we are going nowhere fast.
I think it’s his lack of basic technique that worries me - and I’m not sure coaching will improve it
That attempted pass to Coutinho summed it up. He had loads of time and yet seemed to hit the ball with the wrong side of his foot. Instead of going over Phil’s head and towards the box, it actually went towards the centre circle
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
Agreed. All the best forwards have this skill come naturally... It’s not really something you can ‘learn’. I’d question whether playing him up front is the answer… would he not be better as a winger?
We don't play with wingers just as now we don't play to Ollie's strength (singular). Hopefully Moyes hasn't lost interest. He likes wingers and it may be a good match for all concerned.
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I thought we were gonna get thrashed before the game, and even at 2-0 up i still thought we’d do well to get a draw. Man City are out of this world, that’s the perspective.
Roll on next season. I think we’re gonna spend big this summer.
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Thanks. What a bunch of wankers. What the fuck is wrong with people?
I think the old marching powder might be involved...
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I dont think it's spinning it to say to include context myself.
It shouldn't happen at any point in any game, between professional players in the same league. Someone go down for treatment, get cramp, do something to take a breather and the sting out of it.
Embarrassing.
You're talking as if there's a level playing field or even remote parity between us and them. I'm not embarrassed by today. I cannot fathom why anybody would be.
I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't be embarrassed by conceding 3 in 5 minutes.
As its always possible, especially against the best side in the country, playing in their most important game, where they do or die effectively with 15 left. Momentum is huge in any sport.
You're easily embarrassed.
Momentum is huge, so we should have done some to counter it. But we didn't, our arses fell off and we were like rabbits in the headlights. You can easily kill a couple of minutes with cramp.
And believe me, it takes quite a lot to embarrass me. But if you're fine with 3 in 5 because it's Man City, then we'll agree to disagree.
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Man City and Liverpool get late goals not because of desire or mentality or character, its because their benches are far stronger than everybody elses.
Roy Keane knows that better than anybody the absoloute tool. Because back in the 90s Man Utd had players on their bench to bring on who would start every game for all but 3 teams in the league.
Today they brought on Englands best player in the last tournament, and their top goalscorer from last season.
In contrast when we tired we had Nakamba and Ashley Young to turn to.
He chose not to bring Sanson on.
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I thought we were gonna get thrashed before the game, and even at 2-0 up i still thought we’d do well to get a draw. Man City are out of this world, that’s the perspective.
Roll on next season. I think we’re gonna spend big this summer.
Yes!!!
For 75 minutes Man City had Gen Bradley as manager. With 15 minutes to go they brought on Gen Patton.
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Since the lockdown in general society has turned crazy. As said above I suspect heavy alcohol and drug use is responsible for the latest attacks and pitch invasions.
You only have to look around you in the concourse at an away game to see it's a big problem
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
Agreed. Love his work rate etc and he seems a lovely guy but if we use him as the main striker we aren’t going anywhere quick. Has got to me more clinical. If he didn’t have pace then no way would he be playing at this level
The problem is definitely around him being up there on his own, and playing one up front doesn’t have to mean that’s what happens.
That time where he’s clear through, ANY of our other players busting a gut to get somewhere near alongside him, and the goalie has something else to think about. Too often, Ollie is left with too much to do on his own. Yes you will see other players, in other teams finish those, but look where their teammates are - they are making the goalie have to have half an eye on the possible pass.
I also noticed that whilst I was amazed to see Olive get and England call up this season, how much better he looked with decent players (including Jack) around him - players who provide openings and options so he doesn’t have to do everything himself.
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Watkins has missed chances in thr past 2 games and against Wolves the other week that would have given us 6 more points and a 10th place finish. Small margins.
He also scored three goals in the last six games of the season, so perhaps isn't all bad.
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As said above I suspect heavy alcohol and drug use is responsible for the latest attacks and pitch invasions.
You only have to look around you in the concourse at an away game to see it's a big problem
People on pretty much every club's forum I read are saying the same thing atm. I like a few pints before and after a game but really can't see the attraction of doing coke at a football match.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12619196/manchester-city-3-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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Watkins has missed chances in thr past 2 games and against Wolves the other week that would have given us 6 more points and a 10th place finish. Small margins.
He also scored three goals in the last six games of the season, so perhaps isn't all bad.
Sorry but his misses today speak volumes. If we’re gonna progress, we need a striker who will score those efforts rather than miss them.
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We did what we could today, but to me, there are several points to consider when looking at the performance and result:
1. City are relentless and with their playing style and individual skills eventually that tires out your defence, unless you can get hold of possession and relieve the pressure.
2. They have a top class squad - look at their bench compared to Villa's.
3.Look at the comparative squad values.
4. We played against Burnley who were thuggish - a bit of a battering is putting it mildly
5. City have only lost 3 league games all season.
6. In the end we just ran out of steam.
The lack of squad depth and strength is something that we need to address in coming transfer windows.
I expect that in 2 seasons time the squad will be vastly different to the current one
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Here endeth a sack of piss of a season.
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Our bench looked very weak.
I think letting El Ghazi and Trezeguet leave in January was a big mistake, I'd much rather see those on the bench especially El Ghazi than what we have
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SaddVillain has the correct word about Man City.
Relentless
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Our bench looked very weak.
I think letting El Ghazi and Trezeguet leave in January was a big mistake, I'd much rather see those on the bench especially El Ghazi than what we have
Rolls eyes.
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Watkins has missed chances in thr past 2 games and against Wolves the other week that would have given us 6 more points and a 10th place finish. Small margins.
He also scored three goals in the last six games of the season, so perhaps isn't all bad.
I dont think he's bad at all, just that I would like a striker who improves us to come in.
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Our bench looked very weak.
I think letting El Ghazi and Trezeguet leave in January was a big mistake, I'd much rather see those on the bench especially El Ghazi than what we have
Rolls eyes.
rolls chair :D
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Our bench looked very weak.
I think letting El Ghazi and Trezeguet leave in January was a big mistake, I'd much rather see those on the bench especially El Ghazi than what we have
Now you really are chatting shit.
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Our bench looked very weak.
I think letting El Ghazi and Trezeguet leave in January was a big mistake, I'd much rather see those on the bench especially El Ghazi than what we have
All part of the DISGRACEFUL assault on the poor I imagine.
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Since the lockdown in general society has turned crazy. As said above I suspect heavy alcohol and drug use is responsible for the latest attacks and pitch invasions.
You only have to look around you in the concourse at an away game to see it's a big problem
For once I agree with you.
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I get what people are saying about Man Citeh being such a good team that they're very hard to stop but if anything that makes it even worse to chuck it away. When are we going to have a better chance to beat those fuckers? Really depressing and disappointing.
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Since the lockdown in general society has turned crazy. As said above I suspect heavy alcohol and drug use is responsible for the latest attacks and pitch invasions.
You only have to look around you in the concourse at an away game to see it's a big problem
For once I agree with you.
Yep, he's spot on with that. People aren't even subtle about it any more, they just do it openly in the toilets.
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We need a bit of perspective, Leicester finished in 8th 7 points ahead of us which are the four points we just dropped at home against both Palace and Burnley this past week and one win against relegated Watford. Hardly a massive gap to bridge in my opinion.
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I don't want to finish 8th, though.
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We were great for 70 minutes and two superbly worked goals. Overall we ran them way closer than I would have ever expected.
Going to forget about the last 20 minutes and go enjoy the summer.
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I fully agree with SaddVillan’s comments:
The lack of squad depth and strength is something that we need to address in coming transfer windows.
Yes, it is very disappointing losing a 2-0 lead with 15 minutes to go, but that is Aston Villa. It’s in our DNA and it has been for ages.
For those on here who blame Ollie Watkins for all Villa’s troubles, please ask yourselves the question, why are so many Premier League clubs keen to sign him despite all the many deficiencies you appear to have identified?
He rattled that City defence today and their fans, plus Guardiola, were really wobbling at 2-0 down.
All these interested managers cannot all be totally wrong about Ollie’s abilities.
The big problem with Villa, IMO, is that we don’t have sufficient players of real quality playing consistently well with an added hint of nastiness (not thuggery like Burnley).
You can drive a cart and horses through our midfield, leaving the defenders exposed.
Defensive, ball-playing (i.e. they can also pass accurately) midfielders are desperately needed as we all know.
Also,the defence itself needs upgrading.
Just look at that mean Tottenham defence with midfielders Højbjerg and Bentancur in front of it. How far away from that (and Europe) are Villa? Umpteen miles at present.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. I am sure that Steven Gerrard is fully aware of the squad’s many shortcomings. The likes of Bailey, Traore, Ings, Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Nakamba, Konsa, Hause, Young, Sanson etc should be offloaded pronto, IMO.
However, real quality costs a lot of money (unless the scouts can find some cheaper, rough diamonds elsewhere) and SG should be judged on his acquisitions after a pre-season.
UTV.
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The Duke of Wellington was quoted as saying something like "The next worse thing to a battle lost is a battle won".
That's pretty much how I went into this game, I wanted to win, obviously, but it would have all been about Liverpool. Man City winning the league is as close to meaningless as you can get, and so it is my preference if Villa don't win it. I don't want anyone else to be happy if it's not us, so it might as well be a bunch of people pretending to be happy.
Having said that, to lose in that way, and with the after the match stuff, it does leave a bit of a sour taste. It was in our power to prevent that, and we failed.
We'll be much better next season, I'm sure of that. I have a feeling that the news about Kamara may be much more significant than what happened on the pitch today - assuming that Olsen is fine and justice is swift.
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I thought we were awesome for the first 70 minutes except for Watkins who must be replaced over the Summer. Chambers had his best game for us thus far and after a shaky start Olsen looked decent too.
The last 15 minutes was a disgrace and should never happen at this level.
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The blow of the loss softened by Bet365's early payout for sides going two in front.
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I thought we were awesome for the first 70 minutes except for Watkins who must be replaced over the Summer. Chambers had his best game for us thus far and after a shaky start Olsen looked decent too.
The last 15 minutes was a disgrace and should never happen at this level.
Dunno about that, a team that’s was assembled at a cost of a billion pounds decided they were going to prove it.
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Can't believe city fans were streaming out when our 2nd went in. We left straight after the final whistle and there were plenty of city fans getting some pelters from Villa fans for leaving early . Their choice I suppose , but fuck me , even at 2-0 down they were still top of the league ! Hope they enjoyed Countryfile while their team were lifting the trophy.
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Can't believe city fans were streaming out when our 2nd went in. We left straight after the final whistle and there were plenty of city fans getting some pelters from Villa fans for leaving early . Their choice I suppose , but fuck me , even at 2-0 down they were still top of the league ! Hope they enjoyed Countryfile while their team were lifting the trophy.
Honestly one twat said on the tram that he couldn't be bothered to stop as that's the 4th time in 5 years now.
******.
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The Premier League should deduct them two points for the attack on Olsen.
That would be a wonderful thing to see unfold 😂
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Can't believe city fans were streaming out when our 2nd went in. We left straight after the final whistle and there were plenty of city fans getting some pelters from Villa fans for leaving early . Their choice I suppose , but fuck me , even at 2-0 down they were still top of the league ! Hope they enjoyed Countryfile while their team were lifting the trophy.
Honestly one twat said on the tram that he couldn't be bothered to stop as that's the 4th time in 5 years now.
******.
Leaving after 70 mins, wankers!
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Can't believe city fans were streaming out when our 2nd went in. We left straight after the final whistle and there were plenty of city fans getting some pelters from Villa fans for leaving early . Their choice I suppose , but fuck me , even at 2-0 down they were still top of the league ! Hope they enjoyed Countryfile while their team were lifting the trophy.
Honestly one twat said on the tram that he couldn't be bothered to stop as that's the 4th time in 5 years now.
******.
What you don't need after a bitter defeat is a Twat on a Tram.
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Our problem in recent seasons, highlighted perfectly in today's game, has been our midfield.
Mings has had some absolute pelters from fans this season, but in the last couple of months he's been consistently our best player imo. The problem doesn't lie in defence, it's further afield - The PROTECTION of our defence.
Watch the build up to City's third goal - Mings puts in an excellent tackle and all it needed was Doug to come in and mop it up but he was half asleep, watching the ball roll away into the path of De Bruyne (*who was twice the distance away from the ball at the time). We all know what happened next.
All season, we've had some epic defensive displays, only for our midfielders to gift the ball straight back to the opposition. That kind of pressure is unrelenting (x10 today), and sooner or later the defense is going to buckle. Mings has been excellent for England, and it's not rocket science that he has either or both of Rice and Phillips in front of him. If we get at least Kamara in front of him next season, I think we'll look such a better and tighter outfit.
As for our midfielders-
McGinn - Keep, but only as backup
Luis - Sell. So many false dawns, and rarely seems sharp enough for this league
Nakamba - Sell
Ramsay - Keep, super sub or backup for injuries
Sanson - Sell. Personally, he'd be in my starting 11, but got a feeling he's gone.
Chuk - Sign contract and send on loan.
Don't consider Buendia in this group - He's more in the Coutinho camp... and is a 100% 'should be starting'.
I'd also spend most of our summer budget on a proven, quality goalscorer. You can't win games if your strikers can't find the back of the net!
DM and striker are #1 on the list. Everything else is 'nice to have'.
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Like everyone else, I can’t fault us for 70 mins, but chasing the ball out of possession for as long as we did us always going to take its toll and there were 11 tired heads and legs out there.
That said, we can’t go into next season with strikers that waste as many chances as we do. We need a killer instinct, otherwise we won’t make progress.
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I thought we were awesome for the first 70 minutes except for Watkins who must be replaced over the Summer. Chambers had his best game for us thus far and after a shaky start Olsen looked decent too.
The last 15 minutes was a disgrace and should never happen at this level.
This. Accurate.
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Some of the best limbs of the season too. Shame we didn't spoil the party.
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Most disappointingly we could have had the last laugh on Joe but we blew it.
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Our bench looked very weak.
I think letting El Ghazi and Trezeguet leave in January was a big mistake, I'd much rather see those on the bench especially El Ghazi than what we have
If you want somebody that generally shoots directly at the keeper we've plenty of those types.
Having him on the bench to take a penalty is another matter.
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Yeah, in the final few minutes I also though, “what we really need here is Trezeguet and El Ghazi”
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The historic significance of that game is that it might well have tilted the scales against the inevitability of Gerrard getting Klopp's job. If we had won there today Gerrard's future at Anfield would have been cast in stone. Now, not so much.
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I’m sure I’d love us to have their advantages and to have the best players in the world but it all seems so false. The usual empty seats filled with Chinese tourists with their half and half scarves.
Maybe I’m bitter after another season of empty promise…..
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I thought we were awesome for the first 70 minutes except for Watkins who must be replaced over the Summer. Chambers had his best game for us thus far and after a shaky start Olsen looked decent too.
The last 15 minutes was a disgrace and should never happen at this level.
This. Accurate.
Disgrace? I'll tell you about the disgrace, the multi-millionaire Man City players who missed so many chances. We rightly complain about Watkins lack of technique but when De Bruyne and Co can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo despite what must have been double figure opportunities, I'll give the lads the praise they deserve. We defended well, we forced them to generally shoot from outside the box, we destroyed their confidence.
Simply put, it was one of their worst performances of the season and it was us that made them play like that.
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Memo to the commercial team. Navy blue kits don’t work for us. Cheers.
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Luiz was shocking for the third goal, didn't want to go for that ball. I think Martinez deals with Sterlings cross and also saves the second. Some terrible defending from Cash for two goals. Buendia nutmegged for one of them.
Watkins obviously missed big chances but the highlights show him bullying City defenders too. Be careful what you wish for maybe
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I really don't understand some of the comments on here today. Am I disappointed by the turn around? - of course. Am I surprised ? - no. Partly yes because we are Aston Villa but surely everyone of knew that if City got one they would get two or more. Its fine margins. There are people ranting about Cash who was a fraction of getting a head to thst first, rants about Watkins and want him gone and yet he's scored more consistently than anyone else at the club over the last two seasons and has a record that compares well with strikers in teams many places higher in the league. The almost end of the tether dismissal of Gerrard is also baffling. This was one of the best teams in the country and we went toe to toe with them. I'm disappointed we lost but I've felt a hell of a lot worse in the last 10 years about our prospects for next season. Let's give Gerrard his pre season and new signings and the judge but for now I'm not giving up.
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Bit harsh on Cash, they create overload and get the ball into positions to be attacked, I can’t think what Cash can do about either of the goals other than grow a foot or two.
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Memo to the commercial team. Navy blue kits don’t work for us. Cheers.
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Same goes for SJM. He was obviously tasked with taking care of Foden, one of their top players. No wonder he looked shagged on 80 minutes, blowing out his big arse. Fortunately there aren't too many Foden type players in the PL. Rather him than me.
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Have to say, Foden was absolutely brilliant, what a player.
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The striker situation is a big problem, let's not forget Wesley (who's scored 1 in 12 in Brazil ) Davis will be returning and I imagine Wesley will be hard to offload .
I think if the right offer comes in for Ings or Watkins we should take it , I personally think Watkins is the right age and will improve but Ings is looking like another striker who's come to villa and we've ruined
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Watkins is not good enough and today was an absolutely perfect example of it.
I also feel when we're talking about him turning it around, he's already 26. That needs to happen pretty quickly.
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Maybe we can send him out on loan to Preston.
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Watkins is not good enough and today was an absolutely perfect example of it.
I also feel when we're talking about him turning it around, he's already 26. That needs to happen pretty quickly.
Agree, either Ings or Watkins should be sold and the other a back up player.
Neither should be regular starters.
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Just back home.Thank f..k the season is over. However I still feel optimistic for next season. Quality signings look like they are on the horizon and hopefully we come back stronger after the Summer.
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Jeez I’m glad there’s a break from all this now.
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Jeez I’m glad there’s a break from all this now.
Like you I need and deserve a rest. Unaware to me, Mrs RCF filmed me for 5 minutes watching the Palace game. I'm just glad we don't have a Swear Box. It was both shocking and embarrassing.
I've promised myself I'm going to come back next season all 'Chris Smith'. I just need to find a Tibetan monastery that will have me for 3 months. Hummmmm..
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Jeez I’m glad there’s a break from all this now.
see you at Suncorp in less than 2 months 😁
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Can't help but remember when we were 4-0 up at Spurs on their birthday and managed to fuck that up. I don't believe it's any sort of hoodoo, curse or DNA issue for us, it's just we've been average to shite for way too long. With the owners Villa have now, we have a chance to spend our way forwards. I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that we're finally on the way back but at the moment it just looks like more of the same.
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We have lacked mental toughness for decades. How many times have we bottled leads against Man U, for instance?
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Just got back from the Etihad two goal start we brought Nakamba on then fell apart where I was sitting we had smoke bombs money and other projectiles thrown at us I really hate Man Shitty.
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Only got back home an hour ago. After e petting a 3-4 nil routine defeat that was very, very frustrating.
We stuck at it and played with rigour and nous for an hour but I always felt we would rue the Watkins missed chances. We were saying he just isn’t clinical enough but if he was he wouldn’t be at Villa.
I’ve just seen their goals agin and all 3 probably hit the same part of the netting. The second and third goals really showed the lack of defensive reflexes in the midfield 3, with Ramsey and Luik notably showing a lack of anticipation of danger. We did really well to hold out for so long and get a two goal lead but there was a notable lack of leadership, nous and shithousery to break their momentum. Absolutely infuriating.
Man City fans - they were surprisingly nervous in the pub beforehand, despite us lying down like poodles in front of them for a decade. They were noisy for 10 minutes and then quiet for a full hour - really quiet. Once they got to 2-2 though they were very loud, as you’d expect. They had a good number of eejits in front of the away end after the game trying to goad Villa fans in the lower tier. God knows why they weren’t celebrating a title win. Their victory allowed us a quick getaway but amazingly we encountered dozens of fans who were outside at the same time as us and for whom seeing a trophy presentation isn’t on their list of the top 3 things they want to see on a Sunday evening.
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Why do we have players regularly running out of steam in the last 15-20 minutes? It also often results in 'forced' substitutions.
I just don't understand why this should be the case and it's unnecessary and frustrating.
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I think if Emi M was in goal Liverpool would probably be champions. He'd have stopped the first and definitely got down to the second.
Quick word for the commentator (I forget his name) - c***. 'Matty Cash for Aston Villa and for Liverpool'. 'Philippe Coutinho scores. Silence. Stunned Silence' as the Villa fans roar. C***.
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Bit harsh on Cash, they create overload and get the ball into positions to be attacked, I can’t think what Cash can do about either of the goals other than grow a foot or two.
He made the same mistake for both goals. The first was the worst as he got caught under a lofted cross park league style (Martinez probably would have bailed him out by coming for it and getting a touch). If he gets touch tight to Gundogan he doesn't score either goal. Watch Walker or a top right back in similar situations. For one they are side on so they have some sense of where the danger is but at a minimum they have an elbow flying or some bit of contact to put off the forward. Even backing in so far that the forward has to reach over you to get a header. Cash jumped too early and allowed an uncontested header from a few yards out. That's shocking defending at this level.
His body position is again all wrong to defend the cross for the third. Facing his own goal for a finish so he can't even attempt to clear it with his left or block Gundogan. He has no idea where Gundogan is again when the cross comes in yet was next to him only seconds before when the ball broke (Luiz gutless in attempting to deal with it).
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What a surprise .Oliver the most over rated referee in the Premier gave Villa nothing in the game as seems to have been the case ever since he failed to Award Sheffield United that goal a couple of seasons .He never even played the full amount of stoppage time today
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Can't help but remember when we were 4-0 up at Spurs on their birthday and managed to fuck that up. I don't believe it's any sort of hoodoo, curse or DNA issue for us, it's just we've been average to shite for way too long. With the owners Villa have now, we have a chance to spend our way forwards. I hope and pray with every fibre of my being that we're finally on the way back but at the moment it just looks like more of the same.
I remember that well. I remember MoN screaming at at Marvellous Marlin who he brought on as a late substitute.
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We have seen this movie many times before so we always know what the ending is, there were some very good performances and Coutino's goal was sublime. For once I didn't want Gerrard to make any subs, I thought we were working hard across the park and working as a team. Bringing a player on cold into a hectic situation didn't work.
The way we captitulated was down to leadership on the field, to me Mings has lost his voice, he used to bark out instructions to the players but these days he points a lot.
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I really don't understand some of the comments on here today. Am I disappointed by the turn around? - of course. Am I surprised ? - no. Partly yes because we are Aston Villa but surely everyone of knew that if City got one they would get two or more. Its fine margins. There are people ranting about Cash who was a fraction of getting a head to thst first, rants about Watkins and want him gone and yet he's scored more consistently than anyone else at the club over the last two seasons and has a record that compares well with strikers in teams many places higher in the league. The almost end of the tether dismissal of Gerrard is also baffling. This was one of the best teams in the country and we went toe to toe with them. I'm disappointed we lost but I've felt a hell of a lot worse in the last 10 years about our prospects for next season. Let's give Gerrard his pre season and new signings and the judge but for now I'm not giving up.
Well said. We actually played really well and Coutinhio’s goal a thing of beauty. I watched it with a blue nose friend of mine, equality and diversity and all that, and he, with no love for Villa, was praising the way we played.
Ultimately its really disappointing but this is what teams that win the league do. But for a missed penalty they did the same at West Ham the week before.
Cash wasnt poor for the first goal, he misses it by centimetres, Martinez doesnt save the second goal, its placed in the only part of the goal it could go in. Luiz is slow out for the third goal, but its a brilliant cross by De Bruyne.
Rather than be negative and slate our players and manager, i see enough there to think with a couple of additions we’ll do really well next season.
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We screwed up but, not to get too down-hearted, new time we play them they'll have Harland leading the line. 😯
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As Roy Keane said "Villa are a soft touch" as soon as they scored, you knew what was going to happen
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As Roy Keane said "Villa are a soft touch" as soon as they scored, you knew what was going to happen
How many games did they lose or even draw all season? From that analysis virtually every team bar one or two are a soft touch.
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Jeez I’m glad there’s a break from all this now.
see you at Suncorp in less than 2 months 😁
**sighs** Yep!
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It's interesting that Gerrard said that the game plan was working brilliantly. It makes you wonder then why he changed it.
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It's interesting that Gerrard said that the game plan was working brilliantly. It makes you wonder then why he changed it.
Probably thought by bringing on a defensive midfielder he was shoring up the defence, if he didn't make a change and we let in three Gerrard would have been blamed for not trying to protect a two goal lead. Fine margins but I thought we were doing well but City have quality in abundance, you only have to look at the cost of their bench to see the gulf at the moment.
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It's interesting that Gerrard said that the game plan was working brilliantly. It makes you wonder then why he changed it.
I couldn't believe it when he made that change; parking the bus against them never works because they have the players to break you down.
When we then brought Young on for Buendia when we were chasing it was bizarre too.
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It's interesting that Gerrard said that the game plan was working brilliantly. It makes you wonder then why he changed it.
I couldn't believe it when he made that change; parking the bus against them never works because they have the players to break you down.
When we then brought Young on for Buendia when we were chasing it was bizarre too.
The manager isn't good.
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It's interesting that Gerrard said that the game plan was working brilliantly. It makes you wonder then why he changed it.
I couldn't believe it when he made that change; parking the bus against them never works because they have the players to break you down.
When we then brought Young on for Buendia when we were chasing it was bizarre too.
The manager isn't good.
This.
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As Roy Keane said "Villa are a soft touch" as soon as they scored, you knew what was going to happen
We were an even softer touch when he was our shit, useless, lazy assistant manager who was only at Villa to gain some more bitching material for his 16th autobiography and harness his Gandalf impression.
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At least it wasn’t an FA Cup Final they did that to us in.
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Jeez I’m glad there’s a break from all this now.
see you at Suncorp in less than 2 months 😁
**sighs** Yep!
Me too, I reckon! If Japan will let me back in on return!
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I really don't understand some of the comments on here today. Am I disappointed by the turn around? - of course. Am I surprised ? - no. Partly yes because we are Aston Villa but surely everyone of knew that if City got one they would get two or more. Its fine margins. There are people ranting about Cash who was a fraction of getting a head to thst first, rants about Watkins and want him gone and yet he's scored more consistently than anyone else at the club over the last two seasons and has a record that compares well with strikers in teams many places higher in the league. The almost end of the tether dismissal of Gerrard is also baffling. This was one of the best teams in the country and we went toe to toe with them. I'm disappointed we lost but I've felt a hell of a lot worse in the last 10 years about our prospects for next season. Let's give Gerrard his pre season and new signings and the judge but for now I'm not giving up.
Well said. We actually played really well and Coutinhio’s goal a thing of beauty. I watched it with a blue nose friend of mine, equality and diversity and all that, and he, with no love for Villa, was praising the way we played.
Ultimately its really disappointing but this is what teams that win the league do. But for a missed penalty they did the same at West Ham the week before.
Cash wasnt poor for the first goal, he misses it by centimetres, Martinez doesnt save the second goal, its placed in the only part of the goal it could go in. Luiz is slow out for the third goal, but its a brilliant cross by De Bruyne.
Rather than be negative and slate our players and manager, i see enough there to think with a couple of additions we’ll do really well next season.
A good balanced post. However a ‘couple of additions’ isn’t going to do it. This squad has consistently underperformed under two different managers. Needs far more surgery imo if we are to even to get in the top half
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Get shut of Ollie Watkins the moment the transfer window opens. Honestly, it's embarrassing watching him try to control a ball.
He wasn't great today, possibly his worst game but blimey, stop being such an angry drama queen.
Not based on today, but all season we've seen that which Risso describes. I agree with him.
Misses so many good chances, poor control, anything requiring thought rather than instinct and he can't do it.
It's good reading him yesterday saying he wants to become deadly, but I just can't see how that happens.
Agreed. Love his work rate etc and he seems a lovely guy but if we use him as the main striker we aren’t going anywhere quick. Has got to me more clinical. If he didn’t have pace then no way would he be playing at this level
And this is the problem we have had at this club for years, not just this season. We have too many nice guys and not enough ruthless bastards.
I am sick of hearing after every Mings mistake this season that ''yeah, but he's a nice guy'' or ''I'm proud that he is my captain'' etc. Yes, I agree on Mings opinions on other things other than football, along with the work he does off the pitch, but I'm sorry, I want a ruthless bastard for a captain on it. The same goes for McGinn...a laugh a minute, the club clown, ''great to have around the place'' etc, again, I want a ruthless bastard patroling the midfield, not Charlie fucking Cairoli.
And as for Watkins, I'm sorry...He will never be a 'killer' in front of goal, not in a million years.
A new spine to the team is needed or it will be more of the same next season.
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A lot of doom and gloom on the thread today, but I though we played well. Caused them a lot of problems and should have taken at least a point from them.
Gutted about the three goal collapse, but pleased we looked like a team that can cause problems and score against the bet team in the league. I am sure Gerrard is very aware of our issues in midfield, and our inability to protect a lead and will be making upgrades in the next few weeks. Kamara seems like the kind of player we need, so hopefully that will help us in games like this next season.
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It's funny that people think Mings isn't ruthless enough, because when we signed him people said he was too far that way. McGinn gets stuck in, he's not a clown. There are questions over leadership styles though, I agree. Young is in people's faces and does the ruthless bit well, he just isn't up to a regular 90 minutes.
As for Watkins, he's had an off season where he's hit double figures. I'm pretty sure he'll do better next season.
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It was unusual watching them play with no anxiety over the result. Almost like being a neutral supporter. I fully expected us to lose. Even if we got a 3rd they’d have got 4. Even so, Watkins missing that great chance when through should have made it harder for them and Luiz’s “effort” in the build up to their 3rd are reasons why we need to improve our quality.
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A lot of doom and gloom on the thread today, but I though we played well. Caused them a lot of problems and should have taken at least a point from them.
Gutted about the three goal collapse, but pleased we looked like a team that can cause problems and score against the bet team in the league. I am sure Gerrard is very aware of our issues in midfield, and our inability to protect a lead and will be making upgrades in the next few weeks. Kamara seems like the kind of player we need, so hopefully that will help us in games like this next season.
This is the positive to take, having watched this and the Liverpool game the other week. We're in the game, yes we lost and can look at mentality and individual errors but we haven't spent all game with our backs to wall with our outfield players behind the ball, like the rest of the league seem to.
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Only got back home an hour ago. After e petting a 3-4 nil routine defeat that was very, very frustrating.
We stuck at it and played with rigour and nous for an hour but I always felt we would rue the Watkins missed chances. We were saying he just isn’t clinical enough but if he was he wouldn’t be at Villa.
I’ve just seen their goals agin and all 3 probably hit the same part of the netting. The second and third goals really showed the lack of defensive reflexes in the midfield 3, with Ramsey and Luik notably showing a lack of anticipation of danger. We did really well to hold out for so long and get a two goal lead but there was a notable lack of leadership, nous and shithousery to break their momentum. Absolutely infuriating.
Man City fans - they were surprisingly nervous in the pub beforehand, despite us lying down like poodles in front of them for a decade. They were noisy for 10 minutes and then quiet for a full hour - really quiet. Once they got to 2-2 though they were very loud, as you’d expect. They had a good number of eejits in front of the away end after the game trying to goad Villa fans in the lower tier. God knows why they weren’t celebrating a title win. Their victory allowed us a quick getaway but amazingly we encountered dozens of fans who were outside at the same time as us and for whom seeing a trophy presentation isn’t on their list of the top 3 things they want to see on a Sunday evening.
Just watched the vlog from that Villa on tour chap. Good grief those fans of theirs on the pitch are an embarrasment. Shows how small time they still are, despite their success.
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Losing 3 goals in 5 mins is obviously bitterly disappointing, but City, apart from Liverpool and Chelsea, are capable of doing this to any other team in the league. We've played 5 games in 15 days and City have had a week to prepare for this match, so fitness was certainly a factor in the last 15 mins.
Jury is still out much out re Gerrard, but he still has my full backing, it is his first season in the Prem. What he has done is made us hard to beat, other than against Chelsea and Spurs, we have only lost by the odd goal.
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Bringing on Nakamba totally changed the set-up - we had both Coutinho and Buendia in those pockets between the Man City lines until that point, and although they didn't see "lots" of the ball, their positions were causing a problem to City, and giving us the odd decent chance to counter. Tactically, I think Gerrard got it spot on - but once we lost those two 10s, it became a full-on defence vs attack training session, as Man City no longer had anything to worry about from our attacking play, or the positions of our attackers.
Maybe Coutinho was knackered (the players do a LOT of running against Man City), and I can certainly understand the desire for a defensive substitution when you're 2-0 up, but I don't believe they get those 3 goals if we have Coutinho and Buendia occupying those 10 positions for the last 15 minutes. Tough 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Also, if Watkins scores one of his one-on-ones, at 3-0 I think it would have been all over.
Yes, we lost, and in the worst way possible, but we were very close to beating the league champions, at their place, on a day where they needed three points to win the league. I'm going to spend the summer feeling positive about the promise we displayed in the first 70 minutes, rather than awful about the performance in the last 20.
DM already signed, now we just need a top centre-half and a top centre-forward and I'll start getting excited for the new season!
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We didn’t collapse.
They needed to win and have the mentality and players to attack tired players.
That is all.
Not always top teams that can pull out a result from nothing. I seem to remember Leicester being relegated in a season where they got a point in a match they were 4 - 1 down in with 8 minutes left. Who was it they were playing? Oh yes, Aston Villa - the mentally weak
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And earlier in that season we lost a 3-1 lead against Wimbledon and lost 4-3. A 2-2 draw with Arsenal in 1996 stopped us going top after we'd been leading 2-0. It's something that's always blighted us but then I am sure most teams have suffered similar.
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Dunno about that, a team that’s was assembled at a cost of a billion pounds decided they were going to prove it.
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Hear hear - i am sick of the media wanking over them and Pep - for the money they have spent they should win everything, every league, every cup, every season
Fuck me they spent more money than our most expensive player in our history on a left back (alledged) rapist who is not even playing football.
£100m on some player that cannot even get a game for them
Ideally we could of held on to draw, after a stunningly tactically aware performance, and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' balls it up them selves by not winning.
I really think we are not far away and another bit of creative purchasing, Like Kamara today, and we will be significantly better next season
Get rid of the dead wood and add to a nucleus of
Martinez - one of the best in Europe if not the world (apart from kicking)
Cash / Digne - in the top 3/4 full backs in the league at present where there is some serious competition
Mings - i think with a tough CDM in front him will be much better
Ramsay - will continue to develop
Coutinio / Buendia - loads of creativity
Bailey - i am sure a full pre season will bring the best out of him
Not a bad starting point so i am positively looking forward to next season already
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Well, Gerrard will have a preseason to sort out our fragile mentality when under pressure. Better quality will help it along and we're already doing something about that.
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Bringing on Nakamba totally changed the set-up - we had both Coutinho and Buendia in those pockets between the Man City lines until that point, and although they didn't see "lots" of the ball, their positions were causing a problem to City, and giving us the odd decent chance to counter. Tactically, I think Gerrard got it spot on - but once we lost those two 10s, it became a full-on defence vs attack training session, as Man City no longer had anything to worry about from our attacking play, or the positions of our attackers.
Maybe Coutinho was knackered (the players do a LOT of running against Man City), and I can certainly understand the desire for a defensive substitution when you're 2-0 up, but I don't believe they get those 3 goals if we have Coutinho and Buendia occupying those 10 positions for the last 15 minutes. Tough 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Also, if Watkins scores one of his one-on-ones, at 3-0 I think it would have been all over.
Yes, we lost, and in the worst way possible, but we were very close to beating the league champions, at their place, on a day where they needed three points to win the league. I'm going to spend the summer feeling positive about the promise we displayed in the first 70 minutes, rather than awful about the performance in the last 20.
DM already signed, now we just need a top centre-half and a top centre-forward and I'll start getting excited for the new season!
+1, fully agree. Certainly how I feel about it the next day, as pissed off as I was immediately after the game. City were victims to the same kind of situation just a few weeks ago against Real Madrid.
With Kamara coming in this morning that has certainly already displayed the management team's ambition to solve some of the problems that were clearly on display the last 20 minutes and throughout this season.
Despite our mixed 2022, there have been some glimpses of a really good side. Crucially, problems that need to be solved - things like consistency and game management to see out matches for either a draw or a win - are fixable. This squad (with a few more additions) has the talent to be on a West Ham-like level - it'd be far harder to sort something like that out during one summer.
Turning this group of players into a team that has the mental strength and nous to grind out results where necessary is what will get us the 10 extra points to have us challenging for European football, and I do think that kind of development is realistic to expect this summer.
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It's interesting that Gerrard said that the game plan was working brilliantly. It makes you wonder then why he changed it.
because it was evident that after a bruising encounter with the relegated cloggers on Thursday a few of ours were out on their feet
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I am more pissed of with the game yesterday as I wasnt expecting much . However with the performances recently I am quite optimistic with a couple of additions
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I'm working in Malta and watched the game in a bar with a few colleagues who aren't football fans. When they pulled one back I said they would win 3-2. They thought I was Nostradamus when in fact I'm just a Villa fan.
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Leaving aside fencing in fans...surely security questions have to be asked of clubs about how fans are able to bring flares into a football stadium?
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Leaving aside fencing in fans...surely security questions have to be asked of clubs about how fans are able to bring flares into a football stadium?
Just look at the perfunctory searches we get for the reason. The only thing that can stop them is sniffer dogs.
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Maybe clubs whose away supporters who bring in flares should have reduced allocations.
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A Liverpool supporter made quite a telling comment to me earlier.
In his opinion, if Liverpool had actually been winning their game while we were still 2-0 up, the City players may have lost heart and not staged such a comeback.
The longer they had hope, the more likely they where to act upon it.
He blames Liverpool for this.
Strange how we all see things in a different way.
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This is quite feasible.
Also, did you ask what would happen if their auntie had bollocks? ;-)
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Leaving aside fencing in fans...surely security questions have to be asked of clubs about how fans are able to bring flares into a football stadium?
Just look at the perfunctory searches we get for the reason. The only thing that can stop them is sniffer dogs.
The searching process is not as simple as people think. Unlike pubs and Clubs there are many children that come to games and there is a limit on how much you can search.
If searching is very tough then folk moan about kids pop bottles being taken off them - yet in a lot of cases items such as booze, fags and i would imagine flares are sneaked in with kids as people know searching is at a minimum with minors.
Don't complain about the searching - it is the morons who think it is clever to bring an item like that to a public event
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Leaving aside fencing in fans...surely security questions have to be asked of clubs about how fans are able to bring flares into a football stadium?
Just look at the perfunctory searches we get for the reason. The only thing that can stop them is sniffer dogs.
The searching process is not as simple as people think. Unlike pubs and Clubs there are many children that come to games and there is a limit on how much you can search.
If searching is very tough then folk moan about kids pop bottles being taken off them - yet in a lot of cases items such as booze, fags and i would imagine flares are sneaked in with kids as people know searching is at a minimum with minors.
Don't complain about the searching - it is the morons who think it is clever to bring an item like that to a public event
You know my opinion on our stewards - they do an impossible job well. Personally I wouldn't bother with searching and let the stewards spend their time looking for arsehole behaviour.
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Leaving aside fencing in fans...surely security questions have to be asked of clubs about how fans are able to bring flares into a football stadium?
Just look at the perfunctory searches we get for the reason. The only thing that can stop them is sniffer dogs.
The searching process is not as simple as people think. Unlike pubs and Clubs there are many children that come to games and there is a limit on how much you can search.
If searching is very tough then folk moan about kids pop bottles being taken off them - yet in a lot of cases items such as booze, fags and i would imagine flares are sneaked in with kids as people know searching is at a minimum with minors.
Don't complain about the searching - it is the morons who think it is clever to bring an item like that to a public event
You know my opinion on our stewards - they do an impossible job well. Personally I wouldn't bother with searching and let the stewards spend their time looking for arsehole behaviour.
Unfortunately,the steward by us in the lower holte is less than vigilant regarding arsehole behaviour .
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A Liverpool supporter made quite a telling comment to me earlier.
In his opinion, if Liverpool had actually been winning their game while we were still 2-0 up, the City players may have lost heart and not staged such a comeback.
The longer they had hope, the more likely they where to act upon it.
He blames Liverpool for this.
Strange how we all see things in a different way.
I made the same point yesterday, think the resultant nervousness in the crowd would have transmitted itself to the Citeh players.
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The headline I think we were all expecting. https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1528694636608380930
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Every cloud…..
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A Liverpool supporter made quite a telling comment to me earlier.
In his opinion, if Liverpool had actually been winning their game while we were still 2-0 up, the City players may have lost heart and not staged such a comeback.
The longer they had hope, the more likely they where to act upon it.
He blames Liverpool for this.
Strange how we all see things in a different way.
I was thinking similar, if Liverpool had got in the lead soon after our second goal, that would have had a huge impact on Citeh and their plastic wanker fans who were allready getting upset.
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Maybe clubs whose away supporters who bring in flares should have reduced allocations.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? But then Tottenham threw one at a linesman and Man U invaded our pitch once or twice a season for a decade and we still kept giving them huge allocations.
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One of the amusing highlights of yesterday was just how poor the home support was until they scored their opening goal; I truly hope that if we are ever in that situation that we actually get behind our team. City fans were noisy in the end but they were a shocking up till they scored.
The nonsensical chant from the City fans of "we're not really here was nearly so very appropriate for their "silent disco."
I think City deserve the league but the "extras from shameless" who ran on the pitch to celebrate in front of the Villa fans were no markers of the highest order. Let's hope they have some smoke inhalation problems today.
City created a lot of chances and given their quality in depth and the fact that Villa lose so many Premier League games it was not a total surprise when the ball finally ran for them.
Villa did far better than expected but there is little tenacity in our midfield and the defence is under constant pressure.
At least our performance gave their supporters a hard time that they never expected.
The Villa squad needs a big overhaul and in 12 months time we should have a much better idea of how suitable our Manager is for the job in hand.
Most people in the Stadium were expecting a comfortable home win and that never transpired and for a large portion of the game it was a case of the City defence singing "we're not really here."
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Picked my lad up from the train station last night. He was sporting a nice black eye and swollen nose after being punched by some drug/drink fuelled idiot on the tram before the game. This brave soul jumped on, punched him while he wasn’t looking and ran off.
Having experienced the 80’s where arranged fights took place every week I don’t believe we are anywhere near that. However, we have a new breed of idiot now. If they aren’t abusing players on social media, they are attacking them on the pitch.
I think it’s more of a generational thing where they truly believe they can do what they like and get away with it, inside and outside the ground.
Sadly, the many will have to endure tighter restrictions if this isn’t brought under control.
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Picked my lad up from the train station last night. He was sporting a nice black eye and swollen nose after being punched by some drug/drink fuelled idiot on the tram before the game. This brave soul jumped on, punched him while he wasn’t looking and ran off.
Having experienced the 80’s where arranged fights took place every week I don’t believe we are anywhere near that. However, we have a new breed of idiot now. If they aren’t abusing players on social media, they are attacking them on the pitch.
I think it’s more of a generational thing where they truly believe they can do what they like and get away with it, inside and outside the ground.
Sadly, the many will have to endure tighter restrictions if this isn’t brought under control.
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Welcome to the site. Agree there’s a general issue in society as a whole around this type of thing, and unsurprisingly it bleeds into football.
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Thank you Paul.
Not a happy chappy at the moment as it’s really wound me up. There used to be consequences but not any more.
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Saw on Twitter that some of our fans had lighters, coins and smoke bombs thrown at them.
Cannot stand MC. I can't stand MU either but you can respect their achievements throughout history. The blue shits have got nothing. I hate them.
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It’s surprising how hard 3 pints of Carling makes some people.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep. Okay, the vast majority of managers have suffered this too, but I hope Gerrard learns from this. After conceding the first, and with our propensity to concede goals in a short space, we should have been a bit cuter and tried to grind the game out. We didn't have a lot of bookings. A few cute fouls here and there, some cloudbusting clearances into Old Trafford. Feigning injuries (Watkins did this earlier when we were 1-0 up). When City upped the pace we did absolutely nothing to slow the game down and we got caught high more than we should have done. When you've run out of steam you need to get the ball off the pitch and grind the game to a halt.
There comes a time you've got to go for a bit of shit-housery. We've complained a lot about clubs doing it to us. City are good at it in fact. We can't match them for quality or stamina, so we should have broken their rhythm by any means. We might at least have clawed out a point.
One significant area to improve though, will be the 6, and our CH's, because yesterday a key issue we had in trying to play keep ball at the back under their press, was Olsen, Nakamba (when he was on) and Mings not being very good with the ball.
A further note, Watkins dives way too much. He's always looking to go to ground under light contact. The problem is he doesn't sell it as well as McGinn. Likewise, he should really, REALLY know that any kind of borderline decision will ALWAYS go the way of Man City if we're playing them. Gamesmanship, and shithousery is only good if it's effective.
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Agree 100% that City needed to be stopped from building momentum after their first goal and we did nothing. We have a reputation now for being weak and a cave in is never far away.
This has to stop.
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It’s surprising how hard 3 pints of Carling makes some people.
Makes me happy to know that if I’m having a pint then I ain’t bloody working :)
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We have seen this movie many times before so we always know what the ending is, there were some very good performances and Coutino's goal was sublime. For once I didn't want Gerrard to make any subs, I thought we were working hard across the park and working as a team. Bringing a player on cold into a hectic situation didn't work.
The way we captitulated was down to leadership on the field, to me Mings has lost his voice, he used to bark out instructions to the players but these days he points a lot.
I have to completely disagree on Mings. He does make the occasional mistake. But to accuse him of not being vocal is not it. Nearly every time I see him he is organising and calling people into better positions and motivating people (very vocally). I find it weird that Villa fans pick at the guy so much, very odd. And the amount of clear goals he’s stopped on his own is incredible.
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I think Tyrone is just the scapegoat for some fans.
He's been our best and most consistent player for weeks.
His clearance was poor for the winner yesterday but our midfield had stopped tracking runs anyway so it was inevitable that City would score.
I have to say that seeing City fans leave after Coutinho scored will always be one of the weirdest things I've ever seen at a footy match.
And the team might be quality but the Eithad is a totally soulless, characterless football stadium.
Oh and sorry for calling the final score the day before.
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We have seen this movie many times before so we always know what the ending is, there were some very good performances and Coutino's goal was sublime. For once I didn't want Gerrard to make any subs, I thought we were working hard across the park and working as a team. Bringing a player on cold into a hectic situation didn't work.
The way we captitulated was down to leadership on the field, to me Mings has lost his voice, he used to bark out instructions to the players but these days he points a lot.
I have to completely disagree on Mings. He does make the occasional mistake. But to accuse him of not being vocal is not it. Nearly every time I see him he is organising and calling people into better positions and motivating people (very vocally). I find it weird that Villa fans pick at the guy so much, very odd. And the amount of clear goals he’s stopped on his own is incredible.
and why leave it to Ming's to be vocal, plenty of them gobby enough when have a pop at the ref
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
Yeah it’s not true. Citeh have a stronger, the strongest, squad in the league. We had a three day turnaround - our game plan was fine, but we had to step back.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
Yeah Ok, it would be good having that bench as a back up when you’re two nil down.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
Yeah Ok, it would be good having that bench as a back up when you’re two nil down.
And have it compounded from a 3 day turnaround.
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Saw on Twitter that some of our fans had lighters, coins and smoke bombs thrown at them.
Cannot stand MC. I can't stand MU either but you can respect their achievements throughout history. The blue shits have got nothing. I hate them.
I had completely forgotten but a flare landed at our feet, just missing us, in the top tier. I was so focused and miffed at our collapse it had completely slipped my mind but a friend messaged earlier to remind me.
Their security were very strict on searching at the gates. They even checked inside my glasses case. God knows how the flares got in.
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Different standards for checks on Villa fans to home fans I imagine. Not much to like about that club. They’re clinical, but the football is boring. Their money is straight from the pockets of human rights abusers. And Jack Grealish looks like the biggest muppet this side of Sesame Street the dirty drink driver.
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Leaving aside fencing in fans...surely security questions have to be asked of clubs about how fans are able to bring flares into a football stadium?
Just look at the perfunctory searches we get for the reason. The only thing that can stop them is sniffer dogs.
There's always a lab outside the grounds these days, but I'd never seen so many pyros set off by us and them.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
Yeah Ok, it would be good having that bench as a back up when you’re two nil down.
And with 5 subs coming that situation only gets worse for most clubs who simply won’t have the depth. The richest clubs can bring on a £50m player late on and still have 3 or 4 others that they still can.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
Yeah Ok, it would be good having that bench as a back up when you’re two nil down.
And with 5 subs coming that situation only gets worse for most clubs who simply won’t have the depth. The richest clubs can bring on a £50m player late on and still have 3 or 4 others that they still can.
When Tyler and Neville were banging on about them making another change I thought I'd missed a rule change to this.
Imagine, they could have brought on another 2 strikers....
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
It’s wrong for me too - he just had a billion pound bench.
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Gerrard got completely schooled yesterday by Pep.
I'm not his biggest fan but this is completely wrong.
It’s wrong for me too - he just had a billion pound bench.
Have to agree.
Pep had a slight advantage!!
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20 minutes to go and 3 sub options, piss poor game management.
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Can't agree, coutinhio looked out on his feet, I honestly didn't sit there when we were 2-0 up with 20 mins left and think what mistake bringing on Nakamba is. It seemed the sensible thing to do at the time. They brought Sterling on for Mahrez, Gundgohan for Silva and De Bruyne busting a gut, it's a different level, it just seems a bit petty to say Pep schooled Gerrard.
Its all its and buts now, but if we'd held on for another 5 mins, they would of panicked as Pep might of if Liverpool had took the lead when we were 2-0 up.
I saw enough to think with another centre back, striker and maybe another midfielder, we'll Have a really good season next year.
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my biggest frustration was when the momentum shifted we didnt do more to stop it. I Nalamba made sense at the time. But when they got there first we should have done the kind of gamesmanship the top teams do.
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my biggest frustration was when the momentum shifted we didnt do more to stop it. I Nalamba made sense at the time. But when they got there first we should have done the kind of gamesmanship the top teams do.
Like Man City did against Real Madrid? ;D
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my biggest frustration was when the momentum shifted we didnt do more to stop it. I Nalamba made sense at the time. But when they got there first we should have done the kind of gamesmanship the top teams do.
Like Man City did against Real Madrid? ;D
We’ll you could argue that they were found lacking of character in that game and maybe so we’re we. I’m not saying if we had done that we would have held on but I just think we could have made the last 15 mins a lot more tricky for them
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my biggest frustration was when the momentum shifted we didnt do more to stop it. I Nalamba made sense at the time. But when they got there first we should have done the kind of gamesmanship the top teams do.
Like Man City did against Real Madrid? ;D
We’ll you could argue that they were found lacking of character in that game and maybe so we’re we. I’m not saying if we had done that we would have held on but I just think we could have made the last 15 mins a lot more tricky for them
Yeah agreed, my point really was that very good teams will take their chances.
It's probably why recent Liverool v Man City games have been 2-2 rather than 0-0.
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my biggest frustration was when the momentum shifted we didnt do more to stop it. I Nalamba made sense at the time. But when they got there first we should have done the kind of gamesmanship the top teams do.
Like Man City did against Real Madrid? ;D
We’ll you could argue that they were found lacking of character in that game and maybe so we’re we. I’m not saying if we had done that we would have held on but I just think we could have made the last 15 mins a lot more tricky for them
I completely agree. We should hire Diego Simeone as a consultant, much as I hate his teams.
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Have to say, Foden was absolutely brilliant, what a player.
Totally agree, for my money the most-underrated player in their squad. If I had been part of the Greasy transfer saga I would have told the Citeh negotiators to forget the £1M fee & offered to swop our "top player" for Foden, sorted !
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Anyone else wondering when someone -anyone- in our press/media corps might want to just mention the fact that we were pushing hard for a win near ten o'clock on Thursday night and that this could at least partially explain why we ran of steam towards the end of the game? So much for the integrity of the competition! (I exempt many on here who have made this point). Looks like we're gonna need more Villa people in the media before we get a square deal.
Of course, making this point could take away some of the glory from the great Pep who's a genius, so we'd all better shut up, then...
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Running out of steam is an issue and yes we were always likely to struggle during the last 15 minutes or so however this was a shameful capitulation. We were shown up to be a weak belly team that fell over like a house of cards when pushed. I am afraid there are no excuses regardless of whatever media have made of it.
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I don't deny your conclusion; my real point is how poor and unbalanced the coverage of the 'other' clubs is.
For example, watching the highlights on MOTD, ALL the comments and analysis was about Citeh, nothing about Villa. However bad the collapse was, surely a team leading on merit at that venue should have been treated with more respect than that?
Perhaps we should realise our place -that we are just there to make up the numbers, both in the table and in the media.