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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 10:02:50 PM
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Really frustrating as we had the chances to win the game but that block from Mings is amongst the best I've ever seen.
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Should have taken some of those chances 2nd half. Mings great block.
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I suppose most times we play that game we win but seriously fucked off with another failure to get three points. Shit season
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Load of rubbish. Couldn’t even organise the lap of appreciation properly.
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Better when Coutino came on but we really need some bigger bodies in the squad.
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You can see we've the makings of a decent team. We need some strength and height in the team.
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Coutinho helped when he came on. We were the better side, should have won, but we need to work on our precision. Superb block from Mings.
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As many pointed out, Pope kept them in the game about four times. We were a bit quiet and didn't look like we really knew how to break them down, but no one played badly. A shame not to have won.
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Better second half but disjointed and lacking cohesion going forward, with the exception of the goal and the Traore header.
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Pope MOTM and prevented a comfortable win for us.
I liked the look of Coutinho starting next to Luiz and carrying the ball forwards - not sure how well that would work against teams not parking the bus though.
An ok performance, can definitely play better.
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Second half was a far more enjoyable watch. Both sides had chances and Pope in particular made some top saves. Fair play to Buendia for atoning for his error very quickly but unfortunately I thought his influence waned when Coutinho came in. Mings stopping a certain goal at end. McGinn our best today for me.
Martinez 7, Cash 5, Chambers 7, Mings 8, Digne 6, Luiz 7, McGinn 8, Ramsey 6 (Coutinho 6), Chucky 4 (Traore 6), Buendia 6, Watkins 5 (Ings 6).
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You can see we've the makings of a decent team. We need some strength and height in the team.
It really is obvious that we need to add some physicality to the team and have needed to for 2 years.
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So frustrating not to win. We were the better side.
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Nick Pope MOTM tells it all.
The only stat they bested us on was fouls 20 (that the ref could be arsed to give) to our 11.
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Second half was a far more enjoyable watch. Both sides had chances and Pope in particular made some top saves. Fair play to Buendia for atoning for his error very quickly but unfortunately I thought his influence waned when Coutinho came in. Mings stopping a certain goal at end. McGinn our best today for me.
Martinez 7, Cash 5, Chambers 7, Mings 8, Digne 6, Luiz 7, McGinn 8, Ramsey 6 (Coutinho 6), Chucky 4 (Traore 6), Buendia 6, Watkins 5 (Ings 6).
Coutinho was good when he came on.
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Gerrard has won 2 home games out of 11. Some upgrade that
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
it's a Bronte rating, you can generally add 1-2 to anything he gives below a 6.
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I hope Leeds fans realise, Tyrone Mings, who they reckon is not very good, could well end keeping them in the Premier League.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
Thought he was dreadful to be honest. Fortunate not to have been replaced at half time. Still havent seen anything from him, maybe Norwich away aside, to suggest he is ready for this level.
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Thought we were ok. For my money we are too narrow, lack a bit a pace and a lot of strength.
I thought a fair few positives - but still less than the sum of our parts.
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I hope Leeds fans realise, Tyrone Mings, who they reckon is not very good, could well end keeping them in the Premier League.
Was reflecting on the same thing.
You'd think that might put some manners on the fucking racist supporters of theirs.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
it's a Bronte rating, you can generally add 1-2 to anything he gives below a 6.
I bet he gave El Ghazi a 9. I remember when Bronte didn't do drugs. Showing my age, I know. ;)
I enjoyed the game, at least it meant something.
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You can see we've the makings of a decent team. We need some strength and height in the team.
Based on what?
Poor season overall and poor over the last few weeks. Whole squad needs a shake up and upgrade. Defensive starting line up didn’t help. No width and nothing up front. Bring on the end of the season. Started badly and finished poorly. Big summer ahead
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Mings block was outstanding
All those wanting an upgrade on him - for his faults I really think we will struggle to get someone better
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Better when Coutino came on but we really need some bigger bodies in the squad.
I am available for £5k/week.
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I liked the line up until you could see they didn’t have much of a clue how to play together going forward.
Good goal from Buendia and the odd flashes of looking like a team.
But on the whole like our season - pretty shite. Well below the sum of our parts.
A good DCM will make a difference. But I can’t see us progressing too far under SG. Not too optimistic about next season.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
Thought he was dreadful to be honest. Fortunate not to have been replaced at half time. Still havent seen anything from him, maybe Norwich away aside, to suggest he is ready for this level.
I agree with this. Ramsey didn't look up to much last season so not writing him off completely but I have been underwhelmed thus far.
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Barnes should have been off. Pope was outstanding. Chuk was disappointing. Great block from Mings.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
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Better when Coutino came on but we really need some bigger bodies in the squad.
I am available for £5k/week.
I am for 5lb a week
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Were the better team, should've won but could easily has lost if it wasn't for Mings.
Thought Buendia was the only one showing any urgency. Was interested to see what Chuck brought to the table, but absolutely anonymous. Another poor result, when behind at HT we've managed 2 points in 13 games apparently. A season to forget.
I still think we're better than our results and league position shows. Still not convinced with Gerrard, not really sure what he brings to the table. get a DM and a preseason then see how we go. And before people start pissing their pants, I'm not suggesting sacking him. But then I wouldn't have employed him to begin with.
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Pope made some good saves but so did Martinez
If this was anything but a meaningless game I would be pissed off
Lots to ponder in close season
Little fluid movement, forward line ? no strong imposing centre forward, not sure what our attacking plan is
Two home wins under Steve !
Hope for some quality injections in close season and have a game style to associate with. to me it seems push it forward and hope for the best
Crap way to end the season
Gerrard took over a midtable team on the slide , added a couple of players and finished with a mid table team slightly improved
Onwards and Upwards next season
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12617074/aston-villa-1-1-burnley-premier-league-highlights
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
I thought he looked decent at Chelsea in the league cup. Everybody did that night
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maybe a reality moment for him
he has not yet "arrived"
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A meh result to reflect a meh season.
Approaching tonight’s game with one eye on Sunday is not the best way to win games.
Best home game-win vs Everton.
Best home goal-Ings vs Newcastle
Worst home result- loss vs Watford.
UTV!
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
Totally unconvincing.
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He's not all that. Billy Big-Bollocks. He has a very high opinion of his own ability.
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Gerrard has won 2 home games out of 11. Some upgrade that
Really?
Not very good when it’s laid bare like that.
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Tough game against a side fighting for survival.
I thought we played OK
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I thought we were all over them for huge passages of the game.
We have obvious things that need to be sorted out, but I’m enjoying the football when we get going.
I’m happy that either Burnley or Leeds will go down.
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Hopefully both. One this season then the other to fall foul of FFP and get a massive points deduction next season akin to Derby.
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I wish Burnley and Leeds had an overnight takeover and became Burleeds and both got relegated.
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The season summed up in one game I suppose. Some good bits, some poor bits, but just an overall feeling of frustration really. Gerrard is going to have to have a rethink on the shape of the midfield, as the constant sideways passing which ends up with a full-back who is completely isolated and then goes backwards or sideways all over again, just isn't working. He needs to find a system that is going to get the best out of Coutinho and Buendia next season and doesn't involve them having to drop so deep.
Old gravel voice may be gone, but Burnley are still a shithouse outfit. I was in the North Stand and Pope was blatantly time wasting from the first minute. They constantly fouled during the game and then dived any time anyone went near them, with their centre halves being the worst of the lot.
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I can remember at least 3 without trying very hard. Brighton, Southampton, Norwich. Oh and Leicester. So it is 4 wins. The other 2 were Newcastle and Everton under Smudger.
He hasn't ripped up any trees at Villa Park but let's not halve his home wins.
2nd season running that Pope has single handedly denied us a home win against those cloggers. I thought our attitude was good but we have no winning mentality and let teams off the hook too easily. Ball retention was generally better, that was a positive. McGinn was great too.
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Load of rubbish. Couldn’t even organise the lap of appreciation properly.
Didn't stay for that as I am obviously a wanker but may be it was messed up because our Steven was having a stern word with few of the non performing players.
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Incredible to see a top flight team offer so little on the counter attack as Burnley. Pope and Tarkowski are great players for their system though so that's why ultimately the draw plenty home and away to give them chance of staying up year in year out.
Just one of those games where we didn't have to do much to create some chances but ultimately just stuck in 14th place means the motivation just wasn't there.
McGinn was unlucky not to score first half but ultimately he just can't influence games enough, Carney underwhelming. Ings with the usual nearly moments near the end.
Pretty boring end to a boring season.
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They should have done that on Sunday, when people have a bit of spare time.
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I really don't think we played that badly today, especially considering it was a new line up. The one thing we definitely lack (and have for a long long time) is a killer instinct - both in taking chances and managing games.
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I can remember at least 3 without trying very hard. Brighton, Southampton, Norwich. Oh and Leicester. So it is 4 wins. The other 2 were Newcastle and Everton under Smudger.
He hasn't ripped up any trees at Villa Park but let's not halve his home wins.
2nd season running that Pope has single handedly denied us a home win against those cloggers. I thought our attitude was good but we have no winning mentality and let teams off the hook too easily. Ball retention was generally better, that was a positive. McGinn was great too.
Good post great man's Beard. Just about sums it up for me. Our Steven has a lot to prove next season.
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They should have done that on Sunday, when people have a bit of spare time.
That was my first thought. People have to get up for work so are going to piss off pretty sharpish.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
Totally unconvincing.
Stop it. We don't need to "kill' the lad I thought he did ok but albeit in a confusing role our Steven assigned him.
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High points - Pope’s save from Traore header and the Mings goal line block
Low points - Carney. Not seen anything from him that warrants the high opinion and clamour for him to sign a bumper contract.
Not too concerned with how the season has gone. With the right signings in the summer, I think we could be in for a ride next season.
Biggest surprise this season has been Buendia - I was expecting a fairly lightweight, technical player that would need to be wrapped in cotton wool. The guy is a terrier, and if he’d have got more game time since Xmas, I think he’d have given Matty a run for that player of the year trophy. Really impressed with him, and especially his attitude.
Anyway, one to go (hopefully another draw!), then it’s over till August. UTV
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They should have done that on Sunday, when people have a bit of spare time.
That was my first thought. People have to get up for work so are going to piss off pretty sharpish.
And the fact that youngsters who love that sort of thing needed to go home as yes its a school night.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.
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I agree with you Nii Lamptey.
I’m not as disheartened as some.
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Had a lovely time with the babby, courtesy of tickets kindly transferred by London Villan of this parish. Pint in The Villa Tavern, lovely weather for it, decent performance and plenty of incidents for my ten year-old son, who has just got properly interested, to enjoy. He’s been a few times before (when aged about 3/4/5), but he was buzzing this time having recently started playing FIFA and kicking a ball around with me.
He said he really enjoyed it but also said he was “not happy with the result”.
Thanks again LV.
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A perfectly serviceable performance against an admittedly crap opponent. We created enough to win, but lack a cutting edge. Burnley had a lucky penalty and one other good chance, but that was it.
McGinn was excellent throughout, and the defence was fine. I do like Chambers. Buendia was industrious and had some great touches. Shame about the penalty.
Traoré looked a yard short when he came on, but brought a fabulous save out of Pope.
Luiz seemed to be playing even deeper than usual - was almost like a sweeper at times. I thought we competed well physically.
Chucky seemed not to know where to position himself when we had the ball, but he put himself about and I didn't think he did too badly.
Finally, I honestly don't know why some people bother paying 40 odd quid for a ticket when they miss half the fucking game. They arrive late and piss off early, and do sod all but moan in the few minutes they're actually in their seat. Pisses me off.
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maybe a reality moment for him
he has not yet "arrived"
Yeah Carney probably should've had more sub minutes this season but he's way off starting 15-20 prem games whatever his agent is telling him.
Probably where Ramsey was in November 2020 and it took him a year to fully establish himself in our starting line up.
He wouldn't be starting for any of these Bundesliga clubs falling over themselves to sign him either.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.
Agree. It's the modern way of supporting the team for some.
If it isn't oven ready then it's a fond farewell(or f**k him off) whether you're 18 or 35.
I enjoyed tonight.
We lack clinical finishing and but for Pope in goal it would have been a comfortable win.
Brilliant from Emi and Tyrone to save what looked like a certain goal at the end.
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I was working so didn't see any of the game but wasn't in the least surprised to see we hadn't won.
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Only watched the last 25 mins, so don’t have the full perspective. Looked like Burnley should’ve scored a 2nd and we should’ve had at least another 2 goals. Pope did really well. Can’t argue with a draw really,but frustrating not to get the 3 points.
We had Andy Townsend on the Optus coverage. He’s usually usually quite fair and sometimes a bit Villa-biased which is both rare and nice, but seemed like he was wanting Burnley to win. Maybe he had a few quid on it, Or he hates Leeds? Probably the latter, I don’t know?
Did Chuky get subbed off? I was wanting to see what he was about, but don’t recall seeing him touch the ball.
Thought Villa pressed and hassled Burnley really well at times, but so often, again, we give the ball away cheaply while trying to go forward. It wasn’t costly today, but is annoying to see.
Guess we see what happens at the Etihad last game. Really want to beat them, but I fear a spanking. And then to the summer window and what that brings. I’m a bit over this season now really. Usually get bored after a couple of weeks with no football, but probably could do with a break from the late nights / early mornings!
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He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.
Nobody's desperate to write him off. He just hasn't played very well yet, and has done nothing to justify the hype. He might turn out to be OK, but if he doesn't sign that contract it won't be with us even if he does, so who cares?
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SIX home wins and can't even beat palace or Burnley at home, utter garbage. Only got one half in us, we've gone backwards , if Steven wasn't such a big name as a player he'd be out the door
Horrendous getting away from the stadium
Grim end to a terrible season.
14th unacceptable
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We were unlucky not to win - Pope was incredible. We were lucky not to lose - that's why Mings is a great defender, he reads danger. I'm amazed Barnes stayed on. I'm amazed Lowton was sent off. I love watching Buendia, Coutinho and especially Bert Traore. I hate that the speed of the modern game squeezes the pure delight out of it.
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A it like last season. Should have won by a cricket score, but didn't.
Slow first half, much better second when we moved it quicker. They had 1 chance, should have been down to 9 men.
Any consolation on failing to beat that shower again is that it will probably help relegate Leeds.
Rolling Road Blocks are shit. As are shut junctions.
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SIX home wins and can't even beat palace or Burnley at home, utter garbage. Only got one half in us, we've gone backwards , if Steven wasn't such a big name as a player he'd be out the door
Horrendous getting away from the stadium
Grim end to a terrible season.
14th unacceptable
we did beat Palace at their place though. Probably best away performance of the season. Certainly up there with OT and Chelsea in the LC. Decent win away at Burnley too, a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn’t call 8 pts from a possible 12 from those 2 clubs ‘utter garbage’.
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A it like last season. Should have won by a cricket score, but didn't.
Slow first half, much better second when we moved it quicker. They had 1 chance, should have been down to 9 men.
Any consolation on failing to beat that shower again is that it will probably help relegate Leeds.
Rolling Road Blocks are shit. As are shut junctions.
I take it you go M6 North ?
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We started very well but after they weathered the early storm it soon became clear that they would be difficult to break down. This has been a constant at VP when the opponents dig in.
John McGinn was good. Both goalkeepers were excellent.
Buenida was good going forward but less so in defence. He seems to have taken over McGinn's role of giving away stupid fouls in damaging positions. Until we get a decent DCM, this will keep happening with one midfielder or another.
Matt Lowton was going for glory when he got sent off. Decent response from the Villa faithful.
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Their keeper Pope was MOM and I was a little disappointed we couldn't finish them off.
We continue to look a work in progress.
I'm glad the season is over (apart from Sunday) and we can re-set in the summer with some strengthening in the squad and a defined game plan.
A bit worried about Sunday actually.
I hope we don't get a tonking with the whole world watching.
The Villa-Man U friendly on 23rd July here in Perth is a sell out (60 000) by the way.
Probably 57 000 plastic mancs from Oz, Malaysia, Singapore etc.
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Strolling up to a game on a fine spring evening with not a care in the world is a rare treat. I made the most of that and enjoyed the game.
I have plenty of concerns and doubts about the future under this manager, as many before but sometimes I think we need to enjoy the now and let the future take care of itself.
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From what i id see Pope kept them in it when we did have ideas going forward. They came for a point and got it.
Cannot comment on the Barnes/Mings incident because of the debacle over season tickets to get in the Holte. Ticket gets refused [for no reason], have to go to a ticket office to stand in a queue for 40 mins and miss the first 25 of the game. They opened two windows, and checked every single ticket on the computer, printing them off ... absolute farce. Must have been a few hundred this happened to.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.
Agree, he will definitely get better.
I think some would prefer him to be running round like a headless chicken so it looks like he’s doing a lot.
To me he just seemed a touch overawed, and against Burnley he’s never going to out muscle them.
Thought he started the second half really well, too. Maybe, Gerrard told him he was going to make the change, so relax and just play without fear
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Awful 1st half, 2nd half a bit better, Pope did well for them and was the Man of Match, for us I thought both our full backs and Buendia played well, and were our most creative attacking idea.
If Beale is off to manage Charlton, and he is considered to be the tactical brains of our football team, I think that Steven needs to appoint a top coach in the Summer.
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I thought it was an entertaining game against horrible anti-football opponents. We did more than enough to win it and were comfortably the better side. My glass is half-full. With the exception of the Spurs second half we never look like we’re going to get spanked these days. The margins are fine. A bit more quality or composure in front of goal and we could easily have had 7-9 points from these three home games.
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Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
For all the hype, when has he?
Never.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
Totally unconvincing.
He's learning. There's a decent player in there he's just off the pace a bit with his reading of the game. Ramsey was very similar when he started off too.
I think next season he'll be much better, and I'd guess if he's starting, Gerrard must have seen him do well in training, as that's why he says players get picked.
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Thought we played ok in patches but overall we didn't show enough urgency. That said, their keeper kept them in it.
McGinn was decent, especially in the first half. Chucky was very quiet and didn't offer much but like someone said on his thread, he's 18, cut the kid some slack. He'll have games like that at his age, just like Ramsey did.
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I missed the first half then had the strange experience, rather than being at the game, of watching the 2nd half in a pub in Newcastle, where everyone seemed to be off their tits and i was the only one in the whole place watching the game.
Maybe it was that slightly abstract experience that i felt a bit more detached than normal when watching villa.
Anyway i thought we played really well for the most part and dominated the second half apart from that chance with the unreal Mings clearance. I think someone else mentioned the cutting edge and Popes performance and think thats probably right.
I think a lot of people on this thread seem to be reviewing the season rather than just the game.
I might be delusional but with Beundia and Coutinhio in the same team, i pretty excited about next year.
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Any idea what all the commotion was in the upper Holte, first half? There were a lot of people standing up, looking at something, and some were calling for stewards to get up there
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Since opening say away at Watford it has been a big let down.
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Pope kept us out if it wasn't for that we would have beat them.
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Pope has kept them up I reckon. I enjoyed it, we played well, some of the crossing was poor and we need to be more ruthless, but their keeper being MOTM says it all. And Kudos to Tyrone, amazing block (and decent save from Emi just before it too)
I hope they do stay up in a way, because they will finally flush next season for sure.
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I actually thought it was a decent game. Given it was a dead rubber for us I thought we showed plenty of intent and effort right to the final whistle. We had loads of shots on goal and Pope made some excellent saves.
I thought McGinn was excellent again and Dign very dangerous down the left. Signing Chambers really was an excellent piece of business. Finishing and composure in the box let us down again, but the stats and Popes saves tell the story.
Chuk tried to keep things simple, probably too simple and was entirely ineffective. Bert did more in his first 5 minutes than Chuk dod all game, but equally he gave the ball away 3 times in that time too.
Overall I was dissaointed not to take 3 points but pretty pleased with the effort and intent.
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I agree with Chris. I've enjoyed the last few games.... Unlike in the dark days of the Gabby/Micah/Bruce years, at least we're seeing effort under Gerrard.
What we're lacking is quality - This is fixable with a few key additions.
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Since Leicester I have been pretty happy with it - I think we have looked good without ever really clicking
As you say one or two new signings will make a big difference as we’re not a million miles away
It feels different under SG in that under dean we were either excellent or useless - we do seem more consistent under SG but we’re still less than the sum of our parts. Again hopefully those additions will help
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A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.
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Agree that we are looking more solid and some world class goalkeeping has probably cost us 4 points...
My comment above was more a comment on the season not meeting expectations overall.
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A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.
Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.
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Not the best of results but could just as easily been a home defeat. The home form has not been remotely impressive and the points haul from home games puts us near the bottom of any "home form" league.
There are a few positive signs but clearly the midfield does not contribute enough defensively to proceedings.
There clearly needs to be some folks trimmed from the squad (assuming of course anybody will buy them).
I think the players towels were on the beach after the FA Cup defeat at Old Trafford.
8 p.m. kick offs at Villa take no account of your increasingly weak public transport links!!
Sill "there always next season- it might be our year in the FA Cup"
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I thought it was an entertaining game against horrible anti-football opponents. We did more than enough to win it and were comfortably the better side. My glass is half-full. With the exception of the Spurs second half we never look like we’re going to get spanked these days. The margins are fine. A bit more quality or composure in front of goal and we could easily have had 7-9 points from these three home games.
This is where I am too. It's been a frustrating season, there's no denying it, but I think there's something there which we will hopefully be able to unlock with a few high-class additions.
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A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.
Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.
I've come to the conclusion I don't like midweek games, games on Sundays or early/late Saturday kick offs.
I thought I'd take I'd take the quieter route down Washwood Heath Rd, only to find they'd put roadwords and 3 way lights at the junction by Ward End Park wher the old DAF factory was. I love how they always manage to do simultaneous works on main routes and all of the alternatives.
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A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.
Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.
I've come to the conclusion I don't like midweek games, games on Sundays or early/late Saturday kick offs.
I thought I'd take I'd take the quieter route down Washwood Heath Rd, only to find they'd put roadwords and 3 way lights at the junction by Ward End Park wher the old DAF factory was. I love how they always manage to do simultaneous works on main routes and all of the alternatives.
Get yourself to the countryside, mate.
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I suppose it was quite apt that our last game pretty much summed up the whole season in that it promised a lot more than it delivered.
On one hand they came for a point and rarely displayed any adventure yet their keeper must have made 10 fine saves and we also missed a few. On the other hand you'd have expected him to make all of those saves.
Thought McGinn was the pick of them, a really fine game from him. Overall, Meh.
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A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.
Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.
I've come to the conclusion I don't like midweek games, games on Sundays or early/late Saturday kick offs.
I thought I'd take I'd take the quieter route down Washwood Heath Rd, only to find they'd put roadwords and 3 way lights at the junction by Ward End Park wher the old DAF factory was. I love how they always manage to do simultaneous works on main routes and all of the alternatives.
Get yourself to the countryside, mate.
I would mate, but I talk too fast for them
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
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Any idea what all the commotion was in the upper Holte, first half? There were a lot of people standing up, looking at something, and some were calling for stewards to get up there
Someone needed some medical assistance. All seemed ok in the end
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How was Ashley Barnes not even booked for that blatant assault on Mings?
How did the linesman fall for the blatant dive that from the resultant free kick led to their penalty?
Some bizarre refereeing last night.
Matt Lowton, what a tool, gets roundly applauded by just about everyone then assaults Chambers.
I was going to say fair play to Burnley's fans for their respect and applause during half time HEITS but bollocks to them.
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
I thought that, the entire upper tier empty, it's not like it's a long way from Burnley.
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
Loads of empty seats all over VP last night, I reckon the “real” attendance was 35k ish. Disgrace!
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
Loads of empty seats all over VP last night, I reckon the “real” attendance was 35k ish. Disgrace!
I'd been in the office yesterday and had left my wallet at home like the twat I am, so I was starving when I got back and there was a moment when I nearly didn't bother.
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
I dont think you can have home fans sat above away fans in that scenario for segregation so they probably cant sell them .
But you have your narrative anyway.
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Tom Fox And The False Narratives - a beat-combo group from the mid-2010s.
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
I thought that, the entire upper tier empty, it's not like it's a long way from Burnley.
Suppose small town, not the most affluent area, not the easiest place to get to midweek but...yeah, poor effort.
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Thought SJM was MOTM don't know where he gets his energy from, can't remember the last match he missed or the last time we was subbed, Tyrone and Buendia also superb. If circumstances had been different and Burnley weren't fighting for their lives I expect we would have won the match quite comfortably. Pope had a blinder, which says it all, and as for Tyrone in the last few minutes, if their was a 'Block of the season' award, he would surely have won it!
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With the problems on the M6, I didn't get home until 2 AM. Quite enjoyed the game and hopefully, that point will send Leds down!
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Had a problem similar to the 11 players out there last night - couldn't get past Pope on the M6
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
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If Leeds and Burnley had had each others keepers for the season, Leeds would be well clear of relegation and Burnley would be below Norwich in my opinion.
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Just watched the highlights again. One way traffic. But for an amazing goalkeeping night, they would have been buried. Can't see anything to complain about.
Do Sky not show controversial moments on their highlights like the Barnes elbow?
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Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.
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We can still finish higher than 14th.
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
or could it now be that the everyday supporters have reached the point of if the players can't be arsed why should we, it's not just the traveling but also the cost
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
Loads of empty seats all over VP last night, I reckon the “real” attendance was 35k ish. Disgrace!
I'd been in the office yesterday and had left my wallet at home like the twat I am, so I was starving when I got back and there was a moment when I nearly didn't bother.
I was a bit ill and worried it was The Vid, so didn't bother. Tested negative and feeling better today so probably just being a drama queen. Someone needs to, if Wilma isn't going to post any more.
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We can still finish higher than 14th.
How
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Draw or beat Manchester City?
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Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
or could it now be that the everyday supporters have reached the point of if the players can't be arsed why should we, it's not just the traveling but also the cost
It could be that but it doesn't seem to affect anyone else
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
Can we keep it civil. Ta.
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
I dont think you can have home fans sat above away fans in that scenario for segregation so they probably cant sell them .
But you have your narrative anyway.
official attendance was 40k plus. Burnley probably got 2500 and failed to sell their allocation. I’m not making this up, but I’m sure I heard Leeds fans chanting ‘we are Leeds’ it came through loud and clear on the feed here. I thought it was some bizarre piss-take by the Villa fans aimed at Burnley at first, but must’ve been Leeds supporters there.
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Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.
It's about driving out the less well off than making a few million. They don't want that type inside Villa Park . The £200 increase was designed to do that
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Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.
It's about driving out the less well off than making a few million. They don't want that type inside Villa Park . The £200 increase was designed to do that
Could you chat more shit?
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
We asked about this at the last FCG and were told that they have wanted to sell unsold upper tier away tickets to Villa fans but aren’t allowed to.
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Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.
It's about driving out the less well off than making a few million. They don't want that type inside Villa Park . The £200 increase was designed to do that
Could you chat more shit?
That sounds like a request. Please be clear.
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Crack is a terrible thing kids.
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If Leeds and Burnley had had each others keepers for the season, Leeds would be well clear of relegation and Burnley would be below Norwich in my opinion.
I think that's a fair comment, we've had enough iffy keepers over the last decade to realise how important they are.
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If Leeds and Burnley had had each others keepers for the season, Leeds would be well clear of relegation and Burnley would be below Norwich in my opinion.
I think that's a fair comment, we've had enough iffy keepers over the last decade to realise how important they are.
Pope's save from Traore's header was the pick for me.
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Most of my predictions have come true regarding the club and our form and awful decision making. If people think finishing 14th and increasing tickets by £200+ is acceptable then that's on them. Personally I want a club that we can be proud of that understand the fan base in a cost of living crisis.
Unfortunately the club have proven themselves to be completely out of touch and the six home wins and complete failure in beating Palace and Burnley in the final encounters at Villa Park have brought a depressing end to a woeful campaign.
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
We asked about this at the last FCG and were told that they have wanted to sell unsold upper tier away tickets to Villa fans but aren’t allowed to.
I think it's about allocations rather than safety. For example, when away fans were in the North, we had fans above. Sheffield United have fans above the away fan, albeit with big nets to catch stuff in place.
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
He got a bollocking from Gerrard not long after he came on, whereby Gerrard told him to get up front alongside Watkins and stop drifting back to defend. just after he'd tried that customary no look Hollywood pass.
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.
just based on yesterday, where he has hardly played he was on the end of a couple of really good chances I want him with us next season. And short of Pope pulling off a Gordon Banks save we'd have won that game from his header. I love him as a footballer.
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.
just based on yesterday, where he has hardly played he was on the end of a couple of really good chances I want him with us next season. And short of Pope pulling off a Gordon Banks save we'd have won that game from his header. I love him as a footballer.
Thought he looked better centrally later on in the game
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Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.
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I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.
just based on yesterday, where he has hardly played he was on the end of a couple of really good chances I want him with us next season. And short of Pope pulling off a Gordon Banks save we'd have won that game from his header. I love him as a footballer.
I agree with all of the above. I'd hate him to leave, but I fear he isn't appreciated by Gerrard.
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Agree with Villa Mole that Traore looks more effective when playing down the middle. I think in one way he is an ideal sub in that the opposition find it hard to work out what he is going to do because he is so unpredictable.
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I agree with all of the above. I'd hate him to leave, but I fear he isn't appreciated by Gerrard.
To be fair he's been injured for most of the season, other than for the AFCON.
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I agree with all of the above. I'd hate him to leave, but I fear he isn't appreciated by Gerrard.
To be fair he's been injured for most of the season, other than for the AFCON.
We need to form a protest group to convince Gerrard to reverse drive our African treasure back into the team. .
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Legion, you are of course technically correct in saying we could finish higher than 14th but, considering who we are playing on Sunday I don’t think I’ll be in any rush to get anything from this match. Always a possibility but I won’t be holding my breath.
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We could lose 1-0 and still go up a place if Palace lose 6-0
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I haven't looked because I'd just feel dirty but I'd imagine Leeds forums were in meltdown at the Everton result and probably not best pleased with ours last night. I will of course go looking come Sunday afternoon, just for research purposes mind.
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Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.
Hey! You're positive about everything to do with the Villa. Reconsider!
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Most of my predictions have come true regarding the club and our form and awful decision making. If people think finishing 14th and increasing tickets by £200+ is acceptable then that's on them. Personally I want a club that we can be proud of that understand the fan base in a cost of living crisis.
Unfortunately the club have proven themselves to be completely out of touch and the six home wins and complete failure in beating Palace and Burnley in the final encounters at Villa Park have brought a depressing end to a woeful campaign.
Which predictions would they be? You spend your time chatting shite about how attendances will fall, despite us averaging 41,651, the 8th highest in the league and 4th highest occupancy. You're a tedious troll and fuck knows why we have to tolerate your bollocks on this site.
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Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.
Same here, a few flashes of brilliance but most of the time, poor. His goal vs Boggies was a thing of beauty, that was one of few times though.
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Traore has the first touch of Lionel Messi and the 2nd touch of Alexander Tonev.
Don't know if its been mentioned as Mings will rightly be picking up the plaudits for umbelievable block but also what a fucking save that was initially from Martinez.
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I haven't looked because I'd just feel dirty but I'd imagine Leeds forums were in meltdown at the Everton result and probably not best pleased with ours last night. I will of course go looking come Sunday afternoon, just for research purposes mind.
I’d imagine it’s mainly ‘ug ug grunt ug grunt we are Leeds ug grunt Marching On Together grunt we are Leeds ug ug.’
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I haven't looked because I'd just feel dirty but I'd imagine Leeds forums were in meltdown at the Everton result and probably not best pleased with ours last night. I will of course go looking come Sunday afternoon, just for research purposes mind.
I'd wager you'll come across at least one angry reference to an unbelievable save by Nyland against Sheffield United.
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
Tries hard to hide it but the troll rhetoric is becoming evermore apparent.
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Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.
Bit harsh that, 7 goals and 6 assists last season is a decent output. Can't judge him on this season given how little he's been available to play. I thought he was very good yesterday (I thought all 3 subs had a positive impact) and was unlucky not to score with the header, had a good effort that went just wide as well.
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El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...
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It isn't Traore's fault that a goalkeeper considered not as good as Jordan Picktheballoutofthenetford suddenly turned into Lev Yashin. Traore is fun, he can do mad things with the ball, in both good and bad ways. Much more exciting to watch than some solid 6/10 every week bore.
As Dr Johnson used to say "if you're tired of Traore, you're tired of life. Fuck the Blues".
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Does that fit to the tune of 'Sweet Caroline'?
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If you sing it fast enough.
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That works!
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You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.
Plenty of empty seats around , 35k seemed about right
Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
Tries hard to hide it but the troll rhetoric is becoming evermore apparent.
It's entertaining stuff.
Like some sort of negative super hero he's here to ruin your day!
I'd say he's a glass half empty guy but there's not even a glass!
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Traore is a wonderful footballer and probably the most gifted ball player in our squad. We have to give him a proper opportunity.
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El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...
He took penalties though, which skews the numbers a fair bit. Also got no assists last year, which is a big part of why he's not still with us.
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El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...
He took penalties though, which skews the numbers a fair bit. Also got no assists last year, which is a big part of why he's not still with us.
He did take a good penalty though. He’s one of few Villa players I had confidence in from the spot.
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El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...
El Ghazi- seems a nice bloke and a fantastic penalty taker...but ability wise, I don’t think you can compare him and Traore. The latter has way more natural talent. Yes, he’s loose in possession and you never know what you’re going to get but look at the quality he can produce; the goals at Stoke, WBA and at home to Man Utd last season. That goal he almost scored against Sheffield Utd. He’s a maverick with magic in his boots.
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Traore is a wonderful footballer and probably the most gifted ball player in our squad. We have to give him a proper opportunity.
He has to stay fit to do that, something he hasn't done very much this season. I'd rather give him another chance than Bailey though.
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Traore did that touch...thing...at Man City which destroyed De Bruyne, probably the best player in the league. I dont know what it was, how he did it, but it was sensational. Then he blind clears a ball square.
He's mental. I'd keep him about.
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I think Traore is a good squad option - he has some real talent and brings some unpredictability to the side.
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I think Traore is a good squad option - he has some real talent and brings some unpredictability to the side.
As long as he keeps that unpredictability to the opposition half that’s fine, it’s when he does it around our penalty area that I get worried.
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He's entertaining either way.
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Any other Villa fan finding it getting harder all the time to get home on West Midlands Transport after a evening match ? On several occasions like Thursday night a group of us have waited for a number 11 bus towards Stechford for well over a hour 11 15 our bus finally arrived Disgraceful service By the time i arrived home at Sheldon it was 12 40 am I never miss a game but i must admit i was very tempted not to bother and stay at home ay watch it on the box
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Public transport isn't great, generally. Hope the stadium expansion plans include plans to improve it.
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Traore did that touch...thing...at Man City which destroyed De Bruyne, probably the best player in the league. I dont know what it was, how he did it, but it was sensational. Then he blind clears a ball square.
He's mental. I'd keep him about.
Not that he’s KDB but does everyone recall how at Goodison in one move he sent Allan flying into the stands?
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Traore did that touch...thing...at Man City which destroyed De Bruyne, probably the best player in the league. I dont know what it was, how he did it, but it was sensational. Then he blind clears a ball square.
He's mental. I'd keep him about.
Not that he’s KDB but does everyone recall how at Goodison in one move he sent Allan flying into the stands?
Think so; was it a step over followed by a sideways nutmeg?
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Yet another VAR outrage.
How can anyone not check Barnes's flailing elbow and, having checked it, not tell the ref to send him off?
Perhaps he was following the Graham Poll rulebook and not sending a player off because it would be too early and, therefore, might 'ruin the game'.
Nope, never seen that rule, either.