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Title: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 10:02:50 PM
Really frustrating as we had the chances to win the game but that block from Mings is amongst the best I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 19, 2022, 10:03:48 PM
Should have taken some of those chances 2nd half. Mings great block.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 19, 2022, 10:05:32 PM
I suppose most times we play that game we win but seriously fucked off with another failure to get three points. Shit season
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:05:40 PM
Load of rubbish. Couldn’t even organise the lap of appreciation properly.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: ROBBO on May 19, 2022, 10:06:00 PM
Better when Coutino came on but we really need some bigger bodies in the squad.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 19, 2022, 10:06:41 PM
You can see we've the makings of a decent team. We need some strength and height in the team.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2022, 10:07:31 PM
Coutinho helped when he came on. We were the better side, should have won, but we need to work on our precision. Superb block from Mings.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nelly on May 19, 2022, 10:07:51 PM
As many pointed out, Pope kept them in the game about four times. We were a bit quiet and didn't look like we really knew how to break them down, but no one played badly. A shame not to have won.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 19, 2022, 10:08:07 PM
Better second half but disjointed and lacking cohesion going forward, with the exception of the goal and the Traore header.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: CT Villan on May 19, 2022, 10:08:24 PM
Pope MOTM and prevented a comfortable win for us.

I liked the look of Coutinho starting next to Luiz and carrying the ball forwards - not sure how well that would work against teams not parking the bus though.

An ok performance, can definitely play better.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2022, 10:08:32 PM
Second half was a far more enjoyable watch. Both sides had chances and Pope in particular made some top saves. Fair play to Buendia for atoning for his error very quickly but unfortunately I thought his influence waned when Coutinho came in. Mings stopping a certain goal at end. McGinn our best today for me.

Martinez 7, Cash 5, Chambers 7, Mings 8, Digne 6, Luiz 7, McGinn 8, Ramsey 6 (Coutinho 6), Chucky 4 (Traore 6), Buendia 6, Watkins 5 (Ings 6).
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 10:08:49 PM
You can see we've the makings of a decent team. We need some strength and height in the team.

It really is obvious that we need to add some physicality to the team and have needed to for 2 years.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: murgsy on May 19, 2022, 10:08:57 PM
So frustrating not to win. We were the better side.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: SaddVillan on May 19, 2022, 10:09:06 PM
Nick Pope MOTM tells it all.

The only stat they bested us on was fouls 20 (that the ref could  be arsed to give) to our 11.

Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2022, 10:11:17 PM
Second half was a far more enjoyable watch. Both sides had chances and Pope in particular made some top saves. Fair play to Buendia for atoning for his error very quickly but unfortunately I thought his influence waned when Coutinho came in. Mings stopping a certain goal at end. McGinn our best today for me.

Martinez 7, Cash 5, Chambers 7, Mings 8, Digne 6, Luiz 7, McGinn 8, Ramsey 6 (Coutinho 6), Chucky 4 (Traore 6), Buendia 6, Watkins 5 (Ings 6).

Coutinho was good when he came on.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: AlwaysVilla on May 19, 2022, 10:11:45 PM
Gerrard has won 2 home games out of 11. Some upgrade that
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2022, 10:12:28 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 10:13:37 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

it's a Bronte rating, you can generally add 1-2 to anything he gives below a 6.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Villa Lew on May 19, 2022, 10:13:48 PM
I hope Leeds fans realise, Tyrone Mings, who they reckon is not very good, could well end keeping them in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2022, 10:15:46 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

Thought he was dreadful to be honest. Fortunate not to have been replaced at half time. Still havent seen anything from him, maybe Norwich away aside, to suggest he is ready for this level.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2022, 10:15:55 PM
Thought we were ok.  For my money we are too narrow, lack a bit a pace and a lot of strength.

I thought a fair few positives - but still less than the sum of our parts.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2022, 10:16:40 PM
I hope Leeds fans realise, Tyrone Mings, who they reckon is not very good, could well end keeping them in the Premier League.

Was reflecting on the same thing.

You'd think that might put some manners on the fucking racist supporters of theirs.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 10:17:41 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

it's a Bronte rating, you can generally add 1-2 to anything he gives below a 6.

I bet he gave El Ghazi a 9. I remember when Bronte didn't do drugs. Showing my age, I know. ;)

I enjoyed the game, at least it meant something.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Rudy65 on May 19, 2022, 10:18:28 PM
You can see we've the makings of a decent team. We need some strength and height in the team.

Based on what?
Poor season overall and poor over the last few weeks. Whole squad needs a shake up and upgrade. Defensive starting line up didn’t help. No width and nothing up front. Bring on the end of the season. Started badly and finished poorly. Big summer ahead
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2022, 10:21:39 PM
Mings block was outstanding

All those wanting an upgrade on him - for his faults I really think we will struggle to get someone better
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 19, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Better when Coutino came on but we really need some bigger bodies in the squad.

I am available for £5k/week.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: TonyD on May 19, 2022, 10:23:11 PM
I liked the line up until you could see they didn’t have much of a clue how to play together going forward.   
Good goal from Buendia and the odd flashes of looking like a team. 

But on the whole like our season - pretty shite.  Well below the sum of our parts. 

A good DCM will make a difference.   But I can’t see us progressing too far under SG.  Not too optimistic about next season. 
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 19, 2022, 10:25:00 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

Thought he was dreadful to be honest. Fortunate not to have been replaced at half time. Still havent seen anything from him, maybe Norwich away aside, to suggest he is ready for this level.

I agree with this. Ramsey didn't look up to much last season so not writing him off completely but I have been underwhelmed thus far.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2022, 10:25:52 PM
Barnes should have been off. Pope was outstanding. Chuk was disappointing. Great block from Mings.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:27:16 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 10:28:11 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2022, 10:28:55 PM
Better when Coutino came on but we really need some bigger bodies in the squad.

I am available for £5k/week.
I am for 5lb a week
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Goldenballs on May 19, 2022, 10:30:54 PM
Were the better team, should've won but could easily has lost if it wasn't for Mings.

Thought Buendia was the only one showing any urgency. Was interested to see what Chuck brought to the table, but absolutely anonymous. Another poor result, when behind at HT we've managed 2 points in 13 games apparently. A season to forget.

I still think we're better than our results and league position shows. Still not convinced with Gerrard, not really sure what he brings to the table. get a DM and a preseason then see how we go. And before people start pissing their pants, I'm not suggesting sacking him. But then I wouldn't have employed him to begin with.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: steamer on May 19, 2022, 10:35:58 PM
Pope made some good saves but so did Martinez
If this was anything but a meaningless game I would be pissed off
Lots to ponder in close season
Little fluid movement, forward line ? no strong imposing centre forward, not sure what our attacking plan is
Two home wins under Steve !
Hope for some quality injections in close season and have a game style to associate with. to me it seems push it forward and hope for the best
Crap way to end the season
Gerrard took over a midtable team on the slide , added a couple of players and finished with a mid table team slightly improved
Onwards and Upwards next season
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:43:19 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2022, 10:44:35 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12617074/aston-villa-1-1-burnley-premier-league-highlights
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 19, 2022, 10:45:28 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

I thought he looked decent at Chelsea in the league cup. Everybody did that night
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: steamer on May 19, 2022, 10:45:56 PM
maybe a reality moment for him
he has not yet "arrived"
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 19, 2022, 10:51:07 PM
A meh result to reflect a meh season.
Approaching tonight’s game with one eye on Sunday is not the best way to win games.
Best home game-win vs Everton.
Best home goal-Ings vs Newcastle
Worst home result- loss vs Watford.
UTV!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2022, 10:57:46 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

He looked like a boy playing against men.

Totally unconvincing.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2022, 11:00:10 PM
He's not all that. Billy Big-Bollocks. He has a very high opinion of his own ability.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: andyh on May 19, 2022, 11:13:32 PM
Gerrard has won 2 home games out of 11. Some upgrade that
Really?
Not very good when it’s laid bare like that.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Pete3206 on May 19, 2022, 11:14:10 PM
Tough game against a side fighting for survival.

I thought we played OK
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Small Rodent on May 19, 2022, 11:14:17 PM
I thought we were all over them for huge passages of the game.

We have obvious things that need to be sorted out, but I’m enjoying the football when we get going.

I’m happy that either Burnley or Leeds will go down.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2022, 11:17:01 PM
Hopefully both. One this season then the other to fall foul of FFP and get a massive points deduction next season akin to Derby.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Small Rodent on May 19, 2022, 11:19:23 PM
 I wish Burnley and Leeds had an overnight takeover and became Burleeds and both got relegated.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2022, 11:31:16 PM
The season summed up in one game I suppose.  Some good bits, some poor bits, but just an overall feeling of frustration really.  Gerrard is going to have to have a rethink on the shape of the midfield, as the constant sideways passing which ends up with a full-back who is completely isolated and then goes backwards or sideways all over again, just isn't working.  He needs to find a system that is going to get the best out of Coutinho and Buendia next season and doesn't involve them having to drop so deep. 

Old gravel voice may be gone, but Burnley are still a shithouse outfit.  I was in the North Stand and Pope was blatantly time wasting from the first minute.  They constantly fouled during the game and then dived any time anyone went near them, with their centre halves being the worst of the lot. 
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 19, 2022, 11:37:32 PM
I can remember at least 3 without trying very hard. Brighton, Southampton, Norwich. Oh and Leicester. So it is 4 wins. The other 2 were Newcastle and Everton under Smudger.

He hasn't ripped up any trees at Villa Park but let's not halve his home wins.

2nd season running that Pope has single handedly denied us a home win against those cloggers. I thought our attitude was good but we have no winning mentality and let teams off the hook too easily. Ball retention was generally better, that was a positive. McGinn was great too.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2022, 11:40:46 PM
Load of rubbish. Couldn’t even organise the lap of appreciation properly.
Didn't stay for that as I am obviously a wanker but may be it was messed up because our Steven  was having a stern word with few of the non performing players.

Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2022, 11:41:25 PM
Incredible to see a top flight team offer so little on the counter attack as Burnley. Pope and Tarkowski are great players for their system though so that's why ultimately the draw plenty home and away to give them chance of staying up year in year out.

Just one of those games where we didn't have to do much to create some chances but ultimately just stuck in 14th place means the motivation just wasn't there.

McGinn was unlucky not to score first half but ultimately he just can't influence games enough, Carney underwhelming. Ings with the usual nearly moments near the end.

Pretty boring end to a boring season.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2022, 11:41:54 PM
They should have done that on Sunday, when people have a bit of spare time.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeonW on May 19, 2022, 11:43:21 PM
I really don't think we played that badly today, especially considering it was a new line up. The one thing we definitely lack (and have for a long long time) is a killer instinct - both in taking chances and managing games.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2022, 11:46:25 PM
I can remember at least 3 without trying very hard. Brighton, Southampton, Norwich. Oh and Leicester. So it is 4 wins. The other 2 were Newcastle and Everton under Smudger.

He hasn't ripped up any trees at Villa Park but let's not halve his home wins.

2nd season running that Pope has single handedly denied us a home win against those cloggers. I thought our attitude was good but we have no winning mentality and let teams off the hook too easily. Ball retention was generally better, that was a positive. McGinn was great too.
Good post great man's Beard. Just about sums it up for me. Our Steven has a lot to prove next season.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nev on May 19, 2022, 11:49:19 PM
They should have done that on Sunday, when people have a bit of spare time.

That was my first thought. People have to get up for work so are going to piss off pretty sharpish.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2022, 11:55:55 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

He looked like a boy playing against men.

Totally unconvincing.
Stop it. We don't need to "kill' the lad I thought he did ok but albeit  in a confusing role our Steven assigned him.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 19, 2022, 11:56:29 PM
High points - Pope’s save from Traore header and the Mings goal line block

Low points - Carney. Not seen anything from him that warrants the high opinion and clamour for him to sign a bumper contract.

Not too concerned with how the season has gone. With the right signings in the summer, I think we could be in for a ride next season.
Biggest surprise this season has been Buendia - I was expecting a fairly lightweight, technical player that would need to be wrapped in cotton wool. The guy is a terrier, and if he’d have got more game time since Xmas, I think he’d have given Matty a run for that player of the year trophy. Really impressed with him, and especially his attitude.

Anyway, one to go (hopefully another draw!), then it’s over till August. UTV
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: olaftab on May 19, 2022, 11:57:41 PM
They should have done that on Sunday, when people have a bit of spare time.

That was my first thought. People have to get up for work so are going to piss off pretty sharpish.
And the fact that youngsters who love that sort of thing needed to go home as yes its a school night.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2022, 11:58:03 PM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

He looked like a boy playing against men.


He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Small Rodent on May 19, 2022, 11:58:58 PM
I agree with you Nii Lamptey.

I’m not as disheartened as some.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2022, 12:02:35 AM
Had a lovely time with the babby, courtesy of tickets kindly transferred by London Villan of this parish. Pint in The Villa Tavern, lovely weather for it, decent performance and plenty of incidents for my ten year-old son, who has just got properly interested, to enjoy. He’s been a few times before (when aged about 3/4/5), but he was buzzing this time having recently started playing FIFA and kicking a ball around with me.

He said he really enjoyed it but also said he was “not happy with the result”.

Thanks again LV.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 20, 2022, 12:16:42 AM
A perfectly serviceable performance against an admittedly crap opponent. We created enough to win, but lack a cutting edge. Burnley had a lucky penalty and one other good chance, but that was it.

McGinn was excellent throughout, and the defence was fine. I do like Chambers. Buendia was industrious and had some great touches. Shame about the penalty.

Traoré looked a yard short when he came on, but brought a fabulous save out of Pope.

Luiz seemed to be playing even deeper than usual - was almost like a sweeper at times. I thought we competed well physically.

Chucky seemed not to know where to position himself when we had the ball, but he put himself about and I didn't think he did too badly.

Finally, I honestly don't know why some people bother paying 40 odd quid for a ticket when they miss half the fucking game. They arrive late and piss off early, and do sod all but moan in the few minutes they're actually in their seat. Pisses me off.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2022, 12:18:11 AM
maybe a reality moment for him
he has not yet "arrived"

Yeah Carney probably should've had more sub minutes this season but he's way off starting 15-20 prem games whatever his agent is telling him.

Probably where Ramsey was in November 2020 and it took him a year to fully establish himself in our starting line up.

He wouldn't be starting for any of these Bundesliga clubs falling over themselves to sign him either.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 20, 2022, 12:21:00 AM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

He looked like a boy playing against men.


He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.
Agree. It's the modern way of supporting the team for some.
If it isn't oven ready then it's a fond farewell(or f**k him off) whether you're 18 or 35.
I enjoyed tonight.
We lack clinical finishing and but for Pope in goal it would have been a comfortable win.
Brilliant from Emi and Tyrone to save what looked like a certain goal at the end.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: ez on May 20, 2022, 12:22:59 AM
I was working so didn't see any of the game but wasn't in the least surprised to see we hadn't won.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: robbo1874 on May 20, 2022, 12:44:09 AM
Only watched the last 25 mins, so don’t have the full perspective. Looked like Burnley should’ve scored a 2nd and we should’ve had at least another 2 goals. Pope did really well. Can’t argue with a draw really,but frustrating not to get the 3 points.

We had Andy Townsend on the Optus coverage. He’s usually usually quite fair and sometimes a bit Villa-biased which is both rare and nice, but seemed like he was wanting Burnley to win. Maybe he had a few quid on it, Or he hates Leeds? Probably the latter, I don’t know?

Did Chuky get subbed off? I was wanting to see what he was about, but don’t recall seeing him touch the ball.

Thought Villa pressed and hassled Burnley really well at times, but so often, again, we give the ball away cheaply while trying to go forward. It wasn’t costly today, but is annoying to see.

Guess we see what happens at the Etihad last game. Really want to beat them, but I fear a spanking. And then to the summer window and what that brings. I’m a bit over this season now really. Usually get bored after a couple of weeks with no football, but probably could do with a break from the late nights / early mornings!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2022, 12:47:05 AM

He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.

Nobody's desperate to write him off. He just hasn't played very well yet, and has done nothing to justify the hype. He might turn out to be OK, but if he doesn't sign that contract it won't be with us even if he does, so who cares?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 01:11:54 AM
SIX home wins and can't even beat palace or Burnley at home, utter garbage. Only got one half in us, we've gone backwards , if Steven wasn't such a big name as a player he'd be out the door

Horrendous getting away from the stadium

Grim end to a terrible season.

14th unacceptable
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Hillbilly on May 20, 2022, 01:58:23 AM
We were unlucky not to win - Pope was incredible. We were lucky not to lose - that's why Mings is a great defender, he reads danger. I'm amazed Barnes stayed on. I'm amazed Lowton was sent off. I love watching Buendia, Coutinho and especially Bert Traore. I hate that the speed of the modern game squeezes the pure delight out of it.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2022, 01:58:44 AM
A  it like last season. Should have won by a cricket score, but didn't.

Slow first half, much better second when we moved it quicker. They had 1 chance, should have been down to 9 men.

Any consolation on failing to beat that shower again is that it will probably help relegate Leeds.

Rolling Road Blocks are shit. As are shut junctions.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: robbo1874 on May 20, 2022, 02:04:28 AM
SIX home wins and can't even beat palace or Burnley at home, utter garbage. Only got one half in us, we've gone backwards , if Steven wasn't such a big name as a player he'd be out the door

Horrendous getting away from the stadium

Grim end to a terrible season.

14th unacceptable
we did beat Palace at their place though. Probably best away performance of the season. Certainly up there with OT and Chelsea in the LC. Decent win away at Burnley too, a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn’t call 8 pts from a possible 12 from those 2 clubs ‘utter garbage’.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: FailsworthVillan on May 20, 2022, 02:10:50 AM
A  it like last season. Should have won by a cricket score, but didn't.

Slow first half, much better second when we moved it quicker. They had 1 chance, should have been down to 9 men.

Any consolation on failing to beat that shower again is that it will probably help relegate Leeds.

Rolling Road Blocks are shit. As are shut junctions.
I take it you go M6 North ?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: adrenachrome on May 20, 2022, 02:11:02 AM
We started very well but after they weathered the early storm it soon became clear that they would be difficult to break down. This has been a constant at VP when the opponents dig in.
John McGinn was good. Both goalkeepers were excellent.
Buenida was good going forward but less so in defence. He seems to have taken over McGinn's role of giving away stupid fouls in damaging positions. Until we get a decent DCM, this will keep happening with one midfielder or another.
Matt Lowton was going for glory when he got sent off. Decent response from the Villa faithful.
 
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Perthvillan on May 20, 2022, 03:43:41 AM
Their keeper Pope was MOM and I was a little disappointed we couldn't finish them off.
We continue to look a work in progress.
I'm glad the season is over (apart from Sunday) and we can re-set in the summer with some strengthening in the squad and a defined game plan.
A bit worried about Sunday actually.
I hope we don't get a tonking with the whole world watching.

The Villa-Man U friendly on 23rd July here in Perth is a sell out (60 000) by the way.
Probably 57 000 plastic mancs from Oz, Malaysia, Singapore etc.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nev on May 20, 2022, 06:34:00 AM
Strolling up to a game on a fine spring evening with not a care in the world is a rare treat. I made the most of that and enjoyed the game.
I have plenty of concerns and doubts about the future under this manager, as many before but sometimes I think we need to enjoy the now and let the future take care of itself.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: simboy on May 20, 2022, 06:46:26 AM
From what i id see Pope kept them in it when we did have ideas going forward. They came for a point and got it.

Cannot comment on the Barnes/Mings incident because of the debacle over season tickets to get in the Holte. Ticket gets refused [for no reason], have to go to a ticket office to stand in a queue for 40 mins and miss the first 25 of the game. They opened two windows, and checked every single ticket on the computer, printing them off ... absolute farce. Must have been a few hundred this happened to.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: nigel on May 20, 2022, 07:06:09 AM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

He looked like a boy playing against men.


He is. He shows glimpses every game, and will get better. Hopefully while still an Aston Villa player. This desperation by some to write off an eighteen year old is fucking weird.

Agree, he will definitely get better.
I think some would prefer him to be running round like a headless chicken so it looks like he’s doing a lot.

To me he just seemed a touch overawed, and against Burnley he’s never going to out muscle them.
Thought he started the second half really well, too. Maybe, Gerrard told him he was going to make the change, so relax and just play without fear
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: sid1964 on May 20, 2022, 07:07:41 AM
Awful 1st half, 2nd half a bit better, Pope did well for them and was the Man of Match, for us I thought both our full backs and Buendia played well, and were our most creative attacking idea.

If Beale is off to manage Charlton, and he is considered to be the tactical brains of our football team, I think that Steven needs to appoint a top coach in the Summer.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
I thought it was an entertaining game against horrible anti-football opponents. We did more than enough to win it and were comfortably the better side. My glass is half-full. With the exception of the Spurs second half we never look like we’re going to get spanked these days. The margins are fine. A bit more quality or composure in front of goal and we could easily have had 7-9 points from these three home games.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2022, 07:36:17 AM
Chucky 4/10? I hope not...

About right, he did nothing of note, looked miles off the required standard.

For all the hype, when has he?

Never.

He looked like a boy playing against men.

Totally unconvincing.

He's learning. There's a decent player in there he's just off the pace a bit with his reading of the game. Ramsey was very similar when he started off too.

I think next season he'll be much better, and I'd guess if he's starting, Gerrard must have seen him do well in training, as that's why he says players get picked.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2022, 07:44:33 AM
Thought we played ok in patches but overall we didn't show enough urgency. That said, their keeper kept them in it.

McGinn was decent, especially in the first half. Chucky was very quiet and didn't offer much but like someone said on his thread, he's 18, cut the kid some slack. He'll have games like that at his age, just like Ramsey did.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 20, 2022, 07:54:41 AM
I missed the first half then had the strange experience, rather than being at the game, of watching the 2nd half in a pub in Newcastle, where everyone seemed to be off their tits and i was the only one in the whole place watching the game.
Maybe it was that slightly abstract experience that i felt a bit more detached than normal when watching villa.
Anyway i thought we played really well for the most part and dominated the second half apart from that chance with the unreal Mings clearance. I think someone else mentioned the cutting edge and Popes performance and think thats probably right.
I think a lot of people on this thread seem to be reviewing the season rather than just the game.
I might be delusional but with Beundia and Coutinhio in the same team, i pretty excited about next year.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 20, 2022, 08:11:42 AM
Any idea what all the commotion was in the upper Holte, first half? There were a lot of people standing up, looking at something, and some were calling for stewards to get up there
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Villan82 on May 20, 2022, 08:13:06 AM
Since opening say away at Watford it has been a big let down.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: darren woolley on May 20, 2022, 08:23:22 AM
Pope kept us out if it wasn't for that we would have beat them.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 20, 2022, 08:33:56 AM
Pope has kept them up I reckon.  I enjoyed it, we played well, some of the crossing was poor and we need to be more ruthless, but their keeper being MOTM says it all.  And Kudos to Tyrone, amazing block (and decent save from Emi just before it too)

I hope they do stay up in a way, because they will finally flush next season for sure.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2022, 08:50:10 AM
I actually thought it was a decent game.  Given it was a dead rubber for us I thought we showed plenty of intent and effort right to the final whistle.  We had loads of shots on goal and Pope made some excellent saves.

I thought McGinn was excellent again and Dign very dangerous down the left.  Signing Chambers really was an excellent piece of business.  Finishing and composure in the box let us down again, but the stats and Popes saves tell the story.

Chuk tried to keep things simple, probably too simple and was entirely ineffective.  Bert did more in his first 5 minutes than Chuk dod all game, but equally he gave the ball away 3 times in that time too.

Overall I was dissaointed not to take 3 points but pretty pleased with the effort and intent.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 20, 2022, 08:56:24 AM
I agree with Chris. I've enjoyed the last few games.... Unlike in the dark days of the Gabby/Micah/Bruce years, at least we're seeing effort under Gerrard.

What we're lacking is quality - This is fixable with a few key additions.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Beard82 on May 20, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
Since Leicester I have been pretty happy with it - I think we have looked good without ever really clicking

As you say one or two new signings will make a big difference as we’re not a million miles away

It feels different under SG in that under dean we were either excellent or useless - we do seem more consistent under SG but we’re still less than the sum of our parts.  Again hopefully those additions will help
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: DB on May 20, 2022, 09:01:36 AM
A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Villan82 on May 20, 2022, 09:08:11 AM
Agree that we are looking more solid and some world class goalkeeping has probably cost us 4 points...

My comment above was more a comment on the season not meeting expectations overall.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2022, 09:22:30 AM
A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.

Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: MillerBall on May 20, 2022, 09:33:38 AM
Not the best of results but could just as easily been a home defeat. The home form has not been remotely impressive and the points haul from home games puts us near the bottom of any "home form" league.
There are a few positive signs but clearly the midfield does not contribute enough defensively to proceedings.
There clearly needs to be some folks trimmed from the squad (assuming of course anybody will buy them).
I think the players towels were on the beach after the FA Cup defeat at Old Trafford.
8 p.m. kick offs at Villa take no account of your increasingly weak public transport links!!
Sill "there always next season- it might be our year in the FA Cup"
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 20, 2022, 09:40:53 AM
I thought it was an entertaining game against horrible anti-football opponents. We did more than enough to win it and were comfortably the better side. My glass is half-full. With the exception of the Spurs second half we never look like we’re going to get spanked these days. The margins are fine. A bit more quality or composure in front of goal and we could easily have had 7-9 points from these three home games.

This is where I am too. It's been a frustrating season, there's no denying it, but I think there's something there which we will hopefully be able to unlock with a few high-class additions.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 09:44:30 AM
A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.

Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.

I've come to the conclusion I don't like midweek games, games on Sundays or early/late Saturday kick offs.

I thought I'd take I'd take the quieter route down Washwood Heath Rd, only to find they'd put roadwords and 3 way lights at the junction by Ward End Park wher the old DAF factory was. I love how they always manage to do simultaneous works on main routes and all of the alternatives.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 20, 2022, 09:45:38 AM
A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.

Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.

I've come to the conclusion I don't like midweek games, games on Sundays or early/late Saturday kick offs.

I thought I'd take I'd take the quieter route down Washwood Heath Rd, only to find they'd put roadwords and 3 way lights at the junction by Ward End Park wher the old DAF factory was. I love how they always manage to do simultaneous works on main routes and all of the alternatives.

Get yourself to the countryside, mate.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: PeterWithe on May 20, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
I suppose it was quite apt that our last game pretty much summed up the whole season in that it promised a lot more than it delivered.

On one hand they came for a point and rarely displayed any adventure yet their keeper must have made 10 fine saves and we also missed a few. On the other hand you'd have expected him to make all of those saves.

Thought McGinn was the pick of them, a really fine game from him. Overall, Meh.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 09:59:12 AM
A non game for us and it showed 1st half. Better 2nd with the changes. SG has a lot of work to do this summer.
Love that the M6 was closed just after the match.

Yep, queue time according to the signs was an hour just to do J6 to J5, so we took a big detour through the hotspots of Sutton Coldfield and down the M42. I hate getting home from evening games at Villa Park.

I've come to the conclusion I don't like midweek games, games on Sundays or early/late Saturday kick offs.

I thought I'd take I'd take the quieter route down Washwood Heath Rd, only to find they'd put roadwords and 3 way lights at the junction by Ward End Park wher the old DAF factory was. I love how they always manage to do simultaneous works on main routes and all of the alternatives.

Get yourself to the countryside, mate.

I would mate, but I talk too fast for them
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 10:10:17 AM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Bully2345 on May 20, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
Any idea what all the commotion was in the upper Holte, first half? There were a lot of people standing up, looking at something, and some were calling for stewards to get up there

Someone needed some medical assistance. All seemed ok in the end
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 10:24:21 AM
How was Ashley Barnes not even booked for that blatant assault on Mings?
How did the linesman fall for the blatant dive that from the resultant free kick led to their penalty?
Some bizarre refereeing last night.
Matt Lowton, what a tool, gets roundly applauded by just about everyone then assaults Chambers.
I was going to say fair play to Burnley's fans for their respect and applause during half time HEITS but bollocks to them.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 10:38:39 AM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them

I thought that, the entire upper tier empty, it's not like it's a long way from Burnley.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2022, 10:46:46 AM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them

Loads of empty seats all over VP last night, I reckon the “real” attendance was 35k ish. Disgrace!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 10:49:47 AM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them

Loads of empty seats all over VP last night, I reckon the “real” attendance was 35k ish. Disgrace!

I'd been in the office yesterday and had left my wallet at home like the twat I am, so I was starving when I got back and there was a moment when I nearly didn't bother.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 11:26:53 AM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right




I dont think you can have home fans sat above away fans in that scenario for segregation  so they  probably cant sell them . 

But you have your narrative anyway.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2022, 11:58:42 AM
Tom Fox And The False Narratives - a beat-combo group from the mid-2010s.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Martin Carruthers on May 20, 2022, 12:00:44 PM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them

I thought that, the entire upper tier empty, it's not like it's a long way from Burnley.

Suppose small town, not the most affluent area, not the easiest place to get to midweek but...yeah, poor effort.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Villa Lew on May 20, 2022, 12:01:54 PM
Thought SJM was MOTM don't know where he gets his energy from, can't remember the last match he missed or the last time we was subbed, Tyrone and Buendia also superb. If circumstances had been different and Burnley weren't fighting for their lives I expect we would have won the match quite comfortably. Pope had a blinder, which says it all, and as for Tyrone in the last few minutes, if their was a 'Block of the season' award, he would surely have won it!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: dorsetvillian on May 20, 2022, 12:05:45 PM
With the problems on the M6, I didn't get home until 2 AM. Quite enjoyed the game and hopefully, that point will send Leds down!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 20, 2022, 12:17:46 PM
Had a problem similar to the 11 players out there last night - couldn't get past Pope on the M6
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2022, 12:25:00 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right


Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 12:50:42 PM
If Leeds and Burnley had had each others keepers for the season, Leeds would be well clear of relegation and Burnley would be below Norwich in my opinion.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Small Rodent on May 20, 2022, 12:50:57 PM
Just watched the highlights again. One way traffic. But for an amazing goalkeeping night, they would have been buried. Can't see anything to complain about.

Do Sky not show controversial moments on their highlights like the Barnes elbow?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Skerra on May 20, 2022, 01:03:51 PM
Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2022, 01:14:19 PM
We can still finish higher than 14th.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 20, 2022, 01:20:00 PM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
or could it now be that the everyday supporters have reached the point of if the players can't be arsed why should we, it's not just the traveling but also the cost
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 01:24:41 PM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them

Loads of empty seats all over VP last night, I reckon the “real” attendance was 35k ish. Disgrace!

I'd been in the office yesterday and had left my wallet at home like the twat I am, so I was starving when I got back and there was a moment when I nearly didn't bother.

I was a bit ill and worried it was The Vid, so didn't bother. Tested negative and feeling better today so probably just being a drama queen. Someone needs to, if Wilma isn't going to post any more.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2022, 01:24:50 PM
We can still finish higher than 14th.

How
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2022, 01:25:30 PM
Draw or beat Manchester City?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 01:29:40 PM
Also, I know it's not a big place but that was a piss poor following for a game of that magnitude for them
or could it now be that the everyday supporters have reached the point of if the players can't be arsed why should we, it's not just the traveling but also the cost

It could be that but it doesn't seem to affect anyone else
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right


Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.

Can we keep it civil. Ta.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: robbo1874 on May 20, 2022, 02:00:13 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right




I dont think you can have home fans sat above away fans in that scenario for segregation  so they  probably cant sell them . 

But you have your narrative anyway.
official attendance was 40k plus. Burnley probably got 2500 and failed to sell their allocation. I’m not making this up, but I’m sure I heard Leeds fans chanting ‘we are Leeds’ it came through loud and clear on the feed here. I thought it was some bizarre piss-take by the Villa fans aimed at Burnley at first, but must’ve been Leeds supporters there.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 02:10:52 PM
Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.


It's about driving out the less well off than making a few million. They don't want that type inside Villa Park . The £200 increase was designed to do that
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 02:13:23 PM
Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.


It's about driving out the less well off than making a few million. They don't want that type inside Villa Park . The £200 increase was designed to do that

Could you chat more shit?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: amfy on May 20, 2022, 02:18:15 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right


We asked about this at the last FCG and were told that they have wanted to sell unsold upper tier away tickets to Villa fans but aren’t allowed to.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
Villa did send out a message before the match to say the game was another sell out. Didn’t look that way to me. Maybe a lot of season ticket holders just didn’t turn up as there were plenty of empty seats. I think I read somewhere that the club will gain about £4 million from the ticket price increases. However, if we had finished 2 places higher, the club would benefit from £8million more in prize money.


It's about driving out the less well off than making a few million. They don't want that type inside Villa Park . The £200 increase was designed to do that

Could you chat more shit?

That sounds like a request. Please be clear.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
Crack is a terrible thing kids.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2022, 02:19:53 PM
If Leeds and Burnley had had each others keepers for the season, Leeds would be well clear of relegation and Burnley would be below Norwich in my opinion.

I think that's a fair comment, we've had enough iffy keepers over the last decade to realise how important they are.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 02:21:48 PM
If Leeds and Burnley had had each others keepers for the season, Leeds would be well clear of relegation and Burnley would be below Norwich in my opinion.

I think that's a fair comment, we've had enough iffy keepers over the last decade to realise how important they are.

Pope's save from Traore's header was the pick for me.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Flin5tone on May 20, 2022, 02:21:52 PM
Most of my predictions have come true regarding the club and our form and awful decision making. If people think finishing 14th and increasing tickets by £200+ is acceptable then that's on them. Personally I want a club that we can be proud of that understand the fan base in a cost of living crisis.

Unfortunately the club have proven themselves to be completely out of touch and the six home wins and complete failure in beating Palace and Burnley in the final encounters at Villa Park have brought a depressing end to a woeful campaign.

Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2022, 02:22:34 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right


We asked about this at the last FCG and were told that they have wanted to sell unsold upper tier away tickets to Villa fans but aren’t allowed to.

I think it's about allocations rather than safety. For example, when away fans were in the North, we had fans above. Sheffield United have fans above the away fan, albeit with big nets to catch stuff in place.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Hillbilly on May 20, 2022, 02:30:39 PM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 02:33:42 PM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.

He got a bollocking from Gerrard not long after he came on, whereby Gerrard told him to get up front alongside Watkins and stop drifting back to defend. just after he'd tried that customary no look Hollywood pass.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2022, 02:39:06 PM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.

Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2022, 03:28:29 PM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.

Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.

just based on yesterday, where he has hardly played he was on the end of a couple of really good chances I want him with us next season. And short of Pope pulling off a Gordon Banks save we'd have won that game from his header. I love him as a footballer.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2022, 03:56:17 PM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.

Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.

just based on yesterday, where he has hardly played he was on the end of a couple of really good chances I want him with us next season. And short of Pope pulling off a Gordon Banks save we'd have won that game from his header. I love him as a footballer.


Thought he looked better centrally later on in the game
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2022, 04:02:53 PM
Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 20, 2022, 04:22:52 PM
I thought Bert did quite well when he game on, but still managed a no look, first time cross field pass to an opponent that dropped us in the shit. Just the one though this time.
I unreservedly love watching Bert Traore play just for the sheer randomness. He will do those mental passes to the opposition. But then there will be an outrageous piece of skill. Or he’ll pop up with an excellent header that need a brilliant save. The moment that stands out for me last night was when he was on the right of the Burnley box with 3 defenders in front of him. He had them on a piece of string and then seemed to have enough and rolled a neat pass to Buendia (I think). Sometimes it’s just nice to watch a player not be ordinary or efficient or whatever.

Traore has got the best first touch of any player I've seen at Villa in many a year. It doesn't matter how hard it's pinged at him, he just sort of caresses it to a stand still. Obviously what happens after he has is very a much a matter of chance, but he should try to teach that ability to Watkins before he leaves the club. If you could combine Traore's touch with Watkins work rate, you'd have a £100m player.

just based on yesterday, where he has hardly played he was on the end of a couple of really good chances I want him with us next season. And short of Pope pulling off a Gordon Banks save we'd have won that game from his header. I love him as a footballer.

I agree with all of the above. I'd hate him to leave, but I fear he isn't appreciated by Gerrard.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: trinityoap on May 20, 2022, 05:05:52 PM
Agree with Villa Mole that Traore looks more effective when playing down the middle. I think in one way he is an ideal sub in that the opposition find it hard to work out what he is going to do because he is so unpredictable.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2022, 05:07:01 PM
I agree with all of the above. I'd hate him to leave, but I fear he isn't appreciated by Gerrard.

To be fair he's been injured for most of the season, other than for the AFCON.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2022, 05:13:11 PM
I agree with all of the above. I'd hate him to leave, but I fear he isn't appreciated by Gerrard.

To be fair he's been injured for most of the season, other than for the AFCON.
We need to form a protest group to convince Gerrard to reverse drive our African treasure back into the team. .
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Skerra on May 20, 2022, 05:36:38 PM
Legion, you are of course technically correct in saying we could finish higher than 14th but, considering who we are playing on Sunday I don’t think I’ll be in any rush to get anything from this match. Always a possibility but I won’t be holding my breath.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2022, 05:44:03 PM
We could lose 1-0 and still go up a place if Palace lose 6-0
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2022, 06:02:04 PM
I haven't looked because I'd just feel dirty but I'd imagine Leeds forums were in meltdown at the Everton result and probably not best pleased with ours last night. I will of course go looking come Sunday afternoon, just for research purposes mind.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2022, 07:30:41 PM
Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.

Hey! You're positive about everything to do with the Villa. Reconsider!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2022, 08:10:33 PM
Most of my predictions have come true regarding the club and our form and awful decision making. If people think finishing 14th and increasing tickets by £200+ is acceptable then that's on them. Personally I want a club that we can be proud of that understand the fan base in a cost of living crisis.

Unfortunately the club have proven themselves to be completely out of touch and the six home wins and complete failure in beating Palace and Burnley in the final encounters at Villa Park have brought a depressing end to a woeful campaign.



Which predictions would they be? You spend your time chatting shite about how attendances will fall, despite us averaging 41,651, the 8th highest in the league and 4th highest occupancy. You're a tedious troll and fuck knows why we have to tolerate your bollocks on this site.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: DB on May 20, 2022, 08:15:05 PM
Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.

Same here, a few flashes of brilliance but most of the time, poor. His goal vs Boggies was a thing of beauty, that was one of few times though.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LukeJames on May 20, 2022, 08:25:52 PM
Traore has the first touch of Lionel Messi and the 2nd touch of Alexander Tonev.

Don't know if its been mentioned as Mings will rightly be picking up the plaudits for umbelievable block but also what a fucking save that was initially from Martinez.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2022, 08:47:58 PM
I haven't looked because I'd just feel dirty but I'd imagine Leeds forums were in meltdown at the Everton result and probably not best pleased with ours last night. I will of course go looking come Sunday afternoon, just for research purposes mind.

I’d imagine it’s mainly ‘ug ug grunt ug grunt we are Leeds ug grunt Marching On Together grunt we are Leeds ug ug.’
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 20, 2022, 08:59:51 PM
I haven't looked because I'd just feel dirty but I'd imagine Leeds forums were in meltdown at the Everton result and probably not best pleased with ours last night. I will of course go looking come Sunday afternoon, just for research purposes mind.

I'd wager you'll come across at least one angry reference to an unbelievable save by Nyland against Sheffield United.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: WassallVillain on May 20, 2022, 09:10:34 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right


Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
Tries hard to hide it but the troll rhetoric is becoming evermore apparent.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2022, 10:15:23 PM
Traore just seems like a waste of space to me. He's got some tricks but there's hardly ever any end product.

Bit harsh that, 7 goals and 6 assists last season is a decent output. Can't judge him on this season given how little he's been available to play. I thought he was very good yesterday (I thought all 3 subs had a positive impact) and was unlucky not to score with the header, had a good effort that went just wide as well.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2022, 10:52:52 PM
El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...

Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 10:53:14 PM
It isn't Traore's fault that a goalkeeper considered not as good as Jordan Picktheballoutofthenetford suddenly turned into Lev Yashin. Traore is fun, he can do mad things with the ball, in both good and bad ways. Much more exciting to watch than some solid 6/10 every week bore.

As Dr Johnson used to say "if you're tired of Traore, you're tired of life. Fuck the Blues".
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2022, 10:55:04 PM
Does that fit to the tune of 'Sweet Caroline'?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
If you sing it fast enough.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2022, 11:01:29 PM
That works!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 20, 2022, 11:44:41 PM
You'd have thought the upper Doug Ellis away end could have been sold to some of the 2 billion desperate for a slice of the action on the waiting list.

Plenty of empty seats around  , 35k seemed about right


Get some new material you tedious fucking bore.
Tries hard to hide it but the troll rhetoric is becoming evermore apparent.
It's entertaining stuff.
Like some sort of negative super hero he's here to ruin your day!
I'd say he's a glass half empty guy but there's not even a glass!
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2022, 11:44:54 PM
Traore is a wonderful footballer and probably the most gifted ball player in our squad. We have to give him a proper opportunity.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2022, 12:08:58 AM
El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...

He took penalties though, which skews the numbers a fair bit. Also got no assists last year, which is a big part of why he's not still with us.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: rougegorge on May 21, 2022, 02:20:00 AM
El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...

He took penalties though, which skews the numbers a fair bit. Also got no assists last year, which is a big part of why he's not still with us.
He did take a good penalty though. He’s one of few Villa players I had confidence in from the spot.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeonW on May 21, 2022, 02:38:34 AM
El Ghazi had a better goal record and didn't have a weird shaped boot when defending...

El Ghazi- seems a nice bloke and a fantastic penalty taker...but ability wise, I don’t think you can compare him and Traore. The latter has way more natural talent. Yes, he’s loose in possession and you never know what you’re going to get but look at the quality he can produce; the goals at Stoke, WBA and at home to Man Utd last season. That goal he almost scored against Sheffield Utd. He’s a maverick with magic in his boots.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2022, 12:25:22 PM
Traore is a wonderful footballer and probably the most gifted ball player in our squad. We have to give him a proper opportunity.

He has to stay fit to do that, something he hasn't done very much this season. I'd rather give him another chance than Bailey though.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Ads on May 21, 2022, 02:29:07 PM
Traore did that touch...thing...at Man City which destroyed De Bruyne, probably the best player in the league. I dont know what it was, how he did it, but it was sensational. Then he blind clears a ball square.

He's mental. I'd keep him about.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2022, 02:34:56 PM
I think Traore is a good squad option - he has some real talent and brings some unpredictability to the side.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2022, 02:37:32 PM
I think Traore is a good squad option - he has some real talent and brings some unpredictability to the side.

As long as he keeps that unpredictability to the opposition half that’s fine, it’s when he does it around our penalty area that I get worried.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Ads on May 21, 2022, 02:40:46 PM
He's entertaining either way.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: pooligan on May 21, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Any other Villa fan finding it getting harder all the time to get home on West Midlands Transport after a evening match ? On several occasions like Thursday night a group of us have waited for a number 11 bus towards Stechford for well over a hour 11 15 our bus finally arrived Disgraceful service By the time i arrived home at Sheldon it was 12 40 am  I never miss a game but i must admit i was very tempted not to bother and stay at home ay watch it on the box
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 21, 2022, 05:32:47 PM
Public transport isn't great, generally. Hope the stadium expansion plans include plans to improve it.
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2022, 05:35:49 PM
Traore did that touch...thing...at Man City which destroyed De Bruyne, probably the best player in the league. I dont know what it was, how he did it, but it was sensational. Then he blind clears a ball square.

He's mental. I'd keep him about.

Not that he’s KDB but does everyone recall how at Goodison in one move he sent Allan flying into the stands?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: LeonW on May 21, 2022, 05:52:50 PM
Traore did that touch...thing...at Man City which destroyed De Bruyne, probably the best player in the league. I dont know what it was, how he did it, but it was sensational. Then he blind clears a ball square.

He's mental. I'd keep him about.

Not that he’s KDB but does everyone recall how at Goodison in one move he sent Allan flying into the stands?

Think so; was it a step over followed by a sideways nutmeg?
Title: Re: Post match thread. Villa 1 Burnley 1
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 26, 2022, 11:01:57 PM
Yet another VAR outrage.

How can anyone not check Barnes's flailing elbow and, having checked it, not tell the ref to send him off?

Perhaps he was following the Graham Poll rulebook and not sending a player off because it would be too early and, therefore, might 'ruin the game'.

Nope, never seen that rule, either.
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