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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on May 08, 2022, 02:15:38 PM
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When: Tuesday 10 May Kick off 8PM.
Venue: Villa Park
Conte stopped Liverpool from winning by resorting to back 5 so what is Steven going to do? With Chambers in our squad we can certainly do that but that could mean a miserable night watching the game chewing our nails. It looks like Coutinho is going to start but not sure it's a night for both him and Emi. Either I plan to turn up sit back and enjoy the luxury of seeing what Liverpool can do and how we cope with them.
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Three home league games in a row! When did that last happen?
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Thats hardly a good thing this season though is it as Gerrard acknowledged in his post match interview. Anyway let's hope this is the start of "fortress" Villa Park
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Please win, Villa.
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I think this will be a tight game and they’ll get a late heart breaking winner.
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Routine win
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Before yesterday I had a feeling that we would get a draw but they rarely drop points so it may be a defeat now.
I just hope the manager keeps Buendia in the side.
0-3
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Talk of 5-4-1 (a la Spppurrrs) is all well and good, but we do not have the pace and incision on the break that Tottingam has ...
I suspect we'll be the fall guys after yesterday's disappointment for Bingo.
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0-2.
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Very difficult match.
Can expect some spirit but I don't see anything but a loss.
And a yellow card for Martinez time wasting though if that helps get 3pts towards end of match then has to be the case. A yellow though any earlier would out danger of any other fouls he gives away.
I hope Buendia is given the start.
So line up wise Martinez with 5 at the back
Cash Konsa Chambers Mings Digne
Middle McGinn Ramsey Buendia we need pace of Ramsey and energy of Buendia and McGinn
Coutinho to create
Watkins up front line forrays but tireless.
I remember when we use to beat these lot 5-0 and 7-2 not so long ago
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We'll win, then lose at home to Palace and Burnley before beating Citeh on the last day.
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And a yellow card for Martinez time wasting
This appears to be your latest cause. Any chance you could give it a rest?
If Martinez is booked for time wasting, then that would mean we're not losing, in which case he would be taking one for the team.
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7-2 Liverpool.
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Us 7-0 Them
No more gifting them consolation goals this time.
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Put us down for a win for this one as we’re obviously on a roll now!!
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7-2 is a hard act to follow. I can accept redscouse improving and getting 3 goals so long as we end the game with 6!
We need to approach the game in the opposite way we did at anfield. Take the game to them; have a go and be competitive (after all we are at VP). Contain them when we haven’t got the ball. Be on the front foot when we have.
Masterminding a result over redscouse (when it really matters to them) could be good for our manager.
UTV!
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We will be their first of five games in 19 days. T his includes 2 cup finals, the first of which is the FA cup 4 days after us. The second being the European cup. City have a 3 point advantage and better goal difference. I think they will make some changes against us.
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A draw would be considered a massive result. They are going to have 65% of the ball and at times we will be backs to the wall for long periods of the game. They know they have to win so Klopp will play the best players he has available. We will get chances and we have to be clinical. Because they will get plenty of opportunities and will score once at least. We just cannot afford to go behind early as it will be a very long night and possibly a heavy defeat we don’t try and take the game to them. I will optimistically got for a 1-1 draw. Coutinho with our goal. Salah for them.
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And a yellow card for Martinez time wasting
This appears to be your latest cause. Any chance you could give it a rest?
If Martinez is booked for time wasting, then that would mean we're not losing, in which case he would be taking one for the team.
Excuse me the whole quote please because you have not taken the context. As I said- outside of the later minutes if he starts doing his time wasting antics early and gets a yellow card happens and then in the match later Martinez did a foul he would be off for 2 yellows.
Whereas he could still make a foul and be yellow carded if he doesn't pick one up for time wasting.
I explain my grave concerns fully there. And I represent views that don't seem to get covered by many as people have different views on what's acceptable in sporting terms.
And basically I someone who cannot abide needless yellow cards. And needless time wasting which equates to negative play. In the later stages of matches I accept this happens but the blatancy by Martinez despite him being our keeper will come back to haunt us one day.
And btw Alison was mocking Pickford for the time wasting v Everton so we could end up seeing that again which would make enfuriating all round.
Position clear and pointing out Martinez could well get carded is good for sightseeing and identifying things.
I'm likely to mention it for the Man City away thread too when comes around.
Won't go on though.
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Three home league games in a row! When did that last happen?
02 Mar 2014 Aston Villa 4 Norwich City 1
15 Mar 2014 Aston Villa 1 Chelsea 0
23 Mar 2014 Aston Villa 1 Stoke City 4
https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/matches/season/2014/
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I'm glad I've successfully removed that Stoke game from my memory. I think the Chelsea win was when the snake got the winner and Mourinho was still moaning about it six months later.
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0-2 or 0-3 We will be on the back foot from kickoff as we are against all the "better" teams under Gerrard. We need to have a go at them and so what if we end up getting a tonking just have a go.
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I think we’ll get a win. I think they may be resting several of the regulars given the games they’ve got coming up and after this weekend it’s possible that they’ve put the PL on a back burner. All guess work of course and wishful thinking but I’m going for a surprise 2-0 win
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0-2 or 0-3 We will be on the back foot from kickoff as we are against all the "better" teams under Gerrard. We need to have a go at them and so what if we end up getting a tonking just have a go.
Adopting a positive stance as usual I see. We might well lose, but I think we’ll put in a good effort here and might well nick it.
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Aston Villa 7-2 Liverpool. Their title hopes end in B6.....
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I think they are beginning to look a bit leggy.
This could end their quadruple dream.
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I'm conflicted as I can imagine the headlines if Stevie G's plucky Villa end Liverpool's title dreams...but I don't want Joe to win anything either.
Can we beat them both and still have Liverpool win the league ?
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Home win, pressure getting to Klopp, feeding through to players whilst we have freedom to play. Ings scores two in a 2-1 win, all go home happy, pro LFC media cry.
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7-2 seems likely
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I think we’ll get a win. I think they may be resting several of the regulars given the games they’ve got coming up and after this weekend it’s possible that they’ve put the PL on a back burner. All guess work of course and wishful thinking but I’m going for a surprise 2-0 win
Not sure they’ll rest players or given up on the league to be honest. Man City have Wolves away mid week and they’ve struggled there in the past, plus they have West Ham away which looks a tougher game than Liverpool at Southampton in the same round of fixtures, so doubt Klopps given up on it yet.
They’ll be after us from the get go and like an earlier poster said, if we concede early could be a very long night. On the other hand, the longer it goes on the more twitchy they are bound to get, knowing if they don’t beat us it is virtually all over for the title.
Coutinhio is bound to be well up for this game, will be interesting to see. Stating the obvious but team selection is everything here.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Digne
Nakamba if fit/otherwise Chambers
Luiz
McGinn
Coutinhio
Buendia
Watkins
Probably 1-2, them but a draw would be huge.
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I think they are beginning to look a bit leggy.
This could end their quadruple dream.
I think so too. Maybe that's just based on blind optimism but I'd like to see us have a right cut at these from the off. Not another anemic like Arsenal performance. Will Ramsey be fit? Konsa and Ings to drop out for me. Coutinho whether he deserves to or not come will back in too.
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No, Ings and Watkins are beginning to flourish. I'd drop Konsa and play Chambers at CB and bring Nakamba back in as the DM.
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We should probably go easy on them, after all it must be difficult with all those asthmatics in the team.
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Can’t see past a shoeing really, but if we’ve got any chance, I think we’ve really got to solid up the back and hit them on the break. -3-5-2, or 4-2-3-1. I’d like us to try the latter. Nakamba and chambers in front of the back 4, with McGinn, dougie and Coutinho ahead and Ollie or Ings as the lone striker.
Anyway, I know fk all. Would dearly love to see us beat them at VP though.
Head says them to batter us, heart says 1-0 Villa!
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We're going to win this.
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We're going to win this.
Yeah, I think you're right.
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0-2
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a win please Villa
UTV
The Doc
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I think we are getting them at a good time. They know the title has all but gone but they have the FA cup this weekend. Nobody wants to be injured for that and then the CL to still win, nobody wants to be injured for that too. That's where their focus should be now.
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Can we throw a few claret and blue flares onto the pitch and Trabzonspor it up a bit and put the frighteners on these fcukers? Seems to be working for Everton.
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Christ, just seen this stat on Twitter:
Liverpool haven’t dropped a single point against sides starting the day in the bottom half of the table this season, winning all 18 such games by an aggregate score of 52-4.
Unfortunately I think we'll get tonked.
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Christ, just seen this stat on Twitter:
Liverpool haven’t dropped a single point against sides starting the day in the bottom half of the table this season, winning all 18 such games by an aggregate score of 52-4.
Unfortunately I think we'll get tonked.
They either haven't completely given up on the League ( ManCity still have some banana skin games) or if they have, then they want to take it out on someone.
And players will want to show that they deserve a FA cup place.
They aren't going to be just kicking the ball randomly, muttering what's the point in their native language.
So normal service from them can be expected.
But SG will prepare the team to win it, otherwise what is the point?
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We'll win, then lose at home to Palace and Burnley before beating Citeh on the last day.
Have you asked the bookies, what odds they will give you for that happening!
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I have a suspion well draw this.
A kind of reverse romanticness - a double whammy with Villa handing Joe his first Man City throphy and SG denying Liverpool the Quad and stopping them becoming "THE GREATEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE (TM) "
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I have a suspion well draw this.
A kind of reverse romanticness - a double whammy with Villa handing Joe his first Man City throphy and SG denying Liverpool the Quad and stopping them becoming "THE GREATEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE (TM) "
Oh bloody hell, that's going to happen now isn't it?
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
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It will be interesting to see what happens.
I think it could be very eventful.
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
No he didn't. Mark Delaney managed that one.
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Christ, just seen this stat on Twitter:
Liverpool haven’t dropped a single point against sides starting the day in the bottom half of the table this season, winning all 18 such games by an aggregate score of 52-4.
Unfortunately I think we'll get tonked.
Villa have lost 7 of the last 8 games Jonathan Moss has been in charge of in the Premier League.
Liverpool x2
West Ham
Arsenal
Man City x2
Man Utd
Moss the official tomorrow
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Christ, just seen this stat on Twitter:
Liverpool haven’t dropped a single point against sides starting the day in the bottom half of the table this season, winning all 18 such games by an aggregate score of 52-4.
Unfortunately I think we'll get tonked.
Villa have lost 7 of the last 8 games Jonathan Moss has been in charge of in the Premier League.
Liverpool x2
West Ham
Arsenal
Man City x2
Man Utd
Moss the official tomorrow
That fat cheating ******.
It was funny, in the game in Madrid last week a Citeh player came back from an offside position to tackle a Madrid player and the ref blew instantly without looking at the lino, the Citeh player looked confused and I thought, yeah, I know why.
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
He wasn't in charge for that one, Delaney was.
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
We've rung some changes since that League Cup game. Kodjia, Wesley and Hourihane on target, with assists from Jota, Elmo and Trez. Feels like another lifetime!
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
He wasn't in charge for that one, Delaney was.
Get in first or not at all.
No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
No he didn't. Mark Delaney managed that one.
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Improved of late but wont be enough against arguably the best side in the world right now.
Still I predicted we'd lose two seasons ago and then watched in disbelief as we gorged ourselves on 7 goals.
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We’ll shit ‘em. 3-0 home win
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Improved of late but wont be enough against arguably the best side in the world right now.
Still I predicted we'd lose two seasons ago and then watched in disbelief as we gorged ourselves on 7 goals.
If only we were actually there to see it in person, one of my great villa regrets
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Improved of late but wont be enough against arguably the best side in the world right now.
Still I predicted we'd lose two seasons ago and then watched in disbelief as we gorged ourselves on 7 goals.
If only we were actually there to see it in person, one of my great villa regrets
I think it'll be a bit closer, so I'm thinking 6-2 to Villa....!
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No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
He wasn't in charge for that one, Delaney was.
Get in first or not at all.
No pressure Steven, but Smith won his last two home games against these shite 7-2 and 5-0.
No he didn't. Lost the last one 1-4.
No he didn't. Mark Delaney managed that one.
Deny me the opportunity to correct Risso, why don't you. I don't get many moments as good as that.
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1-1 Draw for me.
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We’ll twat them.
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Liverpool have a fantastic team but hopefully many will be rested for this weekends cup final, 1-1 would do nicely.
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Liverpool have a fantastic team but hopefully many will be rested for this weekends cup final, 1-1 would do nicely.
Have you looked at the league table?
No chance of that.
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Liverpool have a fantastic team but hopefully many will be rested for this weekends cup final, 1-1 would do nicely.
Have you looked at the league table?
No chance of that.
I think they are more likely to rest in the final.
They will be all out to win tonight.
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I assume it's been mentioned but they have lost just 2 (two) league games this season. (1-0 at the Crips Munchers
and 3-2 at the Stratford Kit-Stealers).
So, 2-1 to us and FTSBDFATMHSF!
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I assume it's been mentioned but they have lost just 2 (two) league games this season. (1-0 at the Crips Munchers
and 3-2 at the Stratford Kit-Stealers).
So, 2-1 to us and FTSBDFATMHSF!
If I'm guessing that correctly I think the FATM bit should be FCTM.
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Liverpool have a fantastic team but hopefully many will be rested for this weekends cup final, 1-1 would do nicely.
Have you looked at the league table?
No chance of that.
I think they are more likely to rest in the final.
They will be all out to win tonight.
Well I think they'll rotate a few . Perhaps the fullbacks will be changed and Milner may get a go there or in midfield. Likes of Jota and Firmino or Origi come in. Makes game a bit more easier if they rest a few but still very tough.
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Liverpool have a fantastic team but hopefully many will be rested for this weekends cup final, 1-1 would do nicely.
Have you looked at the league table?
No chance of that.
I think they are more likely to rest in the final.
They will be all out to win tonight.
Well I think they'll rotate a few . Perhaps the fullbacks will be changed and Milner may get a go there or in midfield. Likes of Jota and Firmino or Origi come in. Makes game a bit more easier if they rest a few but still very tough.
I can't see them resting any players tbh they're still firmly in the hunt for the title. They will go for our throat from the off and I think they could be too hot to handle. However I do think Gerrard is showing signs of a manager who is learning his trade fast. We are a more than capable outfit and I will stick my neck out and go for a 2-2 draw at a rocking Villa Park. I'll be watching this one from my front room as I'm recovering from an operation. Please cheer me up Villa.
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Get well soon mate
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Moss the official tomorrow
The fattest, most unfit and biased ref in the prem
This is the twat that could not wait to give the Ratboy a pen against Konsa
Just watch tonight how often he strays away from the centre circle as he is so unfit he cannot get from box to box
Awful awful referee - and we have had a good few to choose from this season
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Moss the official tomorrow
The fattest, most unfit and biased ref in the prem
This is the twat that could not wait to give the Ratboy a pen against Konsa
Just watch tonight how often he strays away from the centre circle as he is so unfit he cannot get from box to box
Awful awful referee - and we have had a good few to choose from this season
He is an absolute twat of a ref and seems to have a genuine dislike of us.
Incompetent and biased, not a great combination.
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Agree about Moss useless ref, the good news is he is retiring at the end of the season. Klopp was saying on Sky that it's a great atmosphere at Villa Park, he clearly knows the Holte End is our 12th man and is a worried man.
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If we score first we have a chance.
Liverpool fans are a bit nervous of this one, they think the title has gone, hopefully that will rub off on the team. Hit 'em early.
1-0 Villa
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We’ll twat them.
Yeah that would be if it was Rangers v Hamilton.
Though if you mean about getting stuck in then yes I'm sure we'll do well on the card count. Gerrard doesn't mind a bit of aggressiveness!
And something that concerns me on his ideas of competing and our ill discipline.
Then again I more of an artisan in football terms and prefer Pirlo or Xavi way of playing and seeing the game.
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Of course I want us to win every game but there's a massive consolation to losing this one, in that we won't have helped hand the title to Big Oil FC
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Just discovered that fat useless bastard Jonathan Moss is the referee tonight Any chance we might have had of getting anything out of the game just disappeared Awful ref who seems to go out of his way to give things against Villa Who can forget his changing of the offside rule to give a Manchester City player twenty odd yards offside the ok to carry on and score He got it so wrong they even changed the rules after and he has never refereed us since
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Just discovered that fat useless bastard Jonathan Moss is the referee tonight Any chance we might have had of getting anything out of the game just disappeared Awful ref who seems to go out of his way to give things against Villa Who can forget his changing of the offside rule to give a Manchester City player twenty odd yards offside the ok to carry on and score He got it so wrong they even changed the rules after and he has never refereed us since
Yeah, feels like they've chosen the ref that will ensure the thrilling title race goes down to the wire. It's what the sponsors and television companies fans across the world want to see.
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Just discovered that fat useless bastard Jonathan Moss is the referee tonight Any chance we might have had of getting anything out of the game just disappeared Awful ref who seems to go out of his way to give things against Villa Who can forget his changing of the offside rule to give a Manchester City player twenty odd yards offside the ok to carry on and score He got it so wrong they even changed the rules after and he has never refereed us since
he should never ref us again.
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Not to mention last minute blatant handball at Arsenal he denied us to level up the game two years ago. Wanker.
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Of course I want us to win every game but there's a massive consolation to losing this one, in that we won't have helped hand the title to Big Oil FC
No consolation whatsoever if it means we have to put up with the Media Wankfest that would greet a Liverpool Quadruple. It's not like Man City won't win more league titles, anyway.
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Liverpool have a fantastic team but hopefully many will be rested for this weekends cup final, 1-1 would do nicely.
Have you looked at the league table?
No chance of that.
I think they are more likely to rest in the final.
They will be all out to win tonight.
Well I think they'll rotate a few . Perhaps the fullbacks will be changed and Milner may get a go there or in midfield. Likes of Jota and Firmino or Origi come in. Makes game a bit more easier if they rest a few but still very tough.
I can't see them resting any players tbh they're still firmly in the hunt for the title. They will go for our throat from the off and I think they could be too hot to handle. However I do think Gerrard is showing signs of a manager who is learning his trade fast. We are a more than capable outfit and I will stick my neck out and go for a 2-2 draw at a rocking Villa Park. I'll be watching this one from my front room as I'm recovering from an operation. Please cheer me up Villa.
All the best to you at this time
And I would take a 2-2 that's a very good suggestion as we got the attack to cause problems but so can our defence!
Hope the game is good for us all and will bring some cheer to you.
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Have a good feeling about this one, think we will get something from it. Going for a 2-1 with a goal each from Coutinho and Ings.
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I’m hoping that they are tired. Fuck, it can’t be easy competing on 4 fronts this late into the season. We have to make them run and earn anything tonight
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After the weekend I think Liverpool will come out of the traps flying and push right up. They will want to put us to bed early. The longer we stay in the game the more nervous they're going to get. the more chance we have of getting something It's a shame we haven't got a rapid option like Son to hit them on the counter with.
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Going for a 2-2 draw.
Moss with a double for them. A third strike from Moss ruled out by VAR
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Just discovered that fat useless bastard Jonathan Moss is the referee tonight Any chance we might have had of getting anything out of the game just disappeared Awful ref who seems to go out of his way to give things against Villa Who can forget his changing of the offside rule to give a Manchester City player twenty odd yards offside the ok to carry on and score He got it so wrong they even changed the rules after and he has never refereed us since
he should never ref us again.
Hasn't been official ref for us all season.
Interesting to note of the 23 matches this season Moss has pretty much equal in his distribution of yellow cards for home and away teams of the ones given.
But when it comes to red cards he's given only to away teams with 4 red cards this season ,the 2nd highest. they have all been to the away team all second yellows
Not only that his home win percentage is 65.2% which is nearly a third of all home matches he refs the home team wins. And essentially the highest in the league as Michael Salisbury only 3 matches has higher (at 66%)
Jonathan Moss also second lowest for away teams winning at 21% when he's been in charge.
He's given 6 penalties this season 3 to home team 3 to away though last two matches he gave pens were for away teams spurs at man utd and arsenal at Chelsea
Can Moss give us something tonight?
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0-2
They are miles better than us and will barely have to get out of second gear
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0-2
They are miles better than us and will barely have to get out of second gear
Well we know which glass you have....
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Hoping I reverse jinx it by being so pessimistic!
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Just hope we don't show them any respect and make a game of it. We are fickin Aston Villa.
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Just don't gift them a sloppy early goal.
Thr longer we hold them the twitchier they will become
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3-2 to villa because why not! Up the villa!!!!!
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Just don't gift them a sloppy early goal.
Thr longer we hold them the twitchier the officials will become
Fixed.
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Maybe Salah will be rested if be told right . Among others.
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I bet he isn't.
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Ok the Egyptian god's said he isn't starring so who to argue
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Ok the Egyptian god's said he isn't starring so who to argue
Well, tonight will be in the lap of the officials if not the gods!
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I bet he isn't.
Elmo might be disappointed if he is as he's going tonight. First game at VP in a while apparently.
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Just discovered that fat useless bastard Jonathan Moss is the referee tonight Any chance we might have had of getting anything out of the game just disappeared Awful ref who seems to go out of his way to give things against Villa Who can forget his changing of the offside rule to give a Manchester City player twenty odd yards offside the ok to carry on and score He got it so wrong they even changed the rules after and he has never refereed us since
he should never ref us again.
Should stick to playing percussion #jokesnevertoldbefore
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One for they what know more than I about this stuff:
Hmmm... Just went to place £10 on a Villa win tonight and just before I pressed confirm Sky Bet informed me that that punt had hardened half a point to 6/1. Wonder why that was. Surely my one little tenner couldn't have had even so small an effect could it?
And then my £5 draw saver went out a smidge from 15/4 to 19/5 (quarter of a point).
Interesting.
Maybe some team news had come in over the vine in Villa's favour...
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The effin' state of some of these scarves on sale. https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1524067267775979520
I've always been a fan of the white scarves with claret & blue stripes (like the one 2nd from bottom left).
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I assume it's been mentioned but they have lost just 2 (two) league games this season. (1-0 at the Crips Munchers
and 3-2 at the Stratford Kit-Stealers).
So, 2-1 to us and FTSBDFATMHSF!
If I'm guessing that correctly I think the FATM bit should be FCTM.
Good proof-reading.
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call me a traditionalist , but where is the Claret scarf with the thin blue vertical line that the posh guys used to wear ?
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call me a traditionalist , but where is the Claret scarf with the thin blue vertical line that the posh guys used to wear ?
Yes,I want to know this too (University/College style is what they were called, I believe)…had one years ago.
This is the nearest style I’ve found but they are “out of stock” at present
https://www.modshoes.co.uk/product/claret-blue-college-scarf-made-in-england-exclusively-for-mod-shoes/
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The blue line was a lot thinner almost a thread
I think I have one packed away , going to look and will send a picture
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call me a traditionalist , but where is the Claret scarf with the thin blue vertical line that the posh guys used to wear ?
Yes,I want to know this too (University/College style is what they were called, I believe)…had one years ago.
This is the nearest style I’ve found but they are “out of stock” at present
https://www.modshoes.co.uk/product/claret-blue-college-scarf-made-in-england-exclusively-for-mod-shoes/
£40 !!?
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Yes VILLA MOLE that would’ve been a stumbling block for me if they had have been in stock…
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Yes VILLA MOLE that would’ve been a stumbling block for me if they had have been in stock…
they are nice though