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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on April 02, 2022, 04:58:10 PM
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Wolves ******. Villa shite.
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McGinn just fuck off
That is all
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Utter garbage - the lot of 'em.
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Really poor by everyone involved very disapointing
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Thats another 6 months of cringey banter, thanks Villa.
Managers showing absolutely nothing.
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We did their job for them.
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Did I put a tenner on it? Did I b****x...
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Abject. Really not good enough from anybody.
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Great fight for the last part of the game but we rolled over for too long beforehand.
Also Wolves shithousery was the exact opposite in how to manage injury time, compared to how we shit the bed and gifted them all three points at VP in October.
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Buendia and Sanson are the only players to come out of today with any credit. Bailey was the best of the rest but faded second half.
Not going down, but the form we're in, combined with run-in we have coming up, I could see teams as low as Leeds leapfrogging us.
FAR from good enough considering the personnel at the manager's disposal.
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Rubbish performance. Team didn't turn up. Manager didn't turn up. I'll say it again, the game plan is shit.
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Thoroughly disappointing first 80 minutes.
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I only saw the second half and we were 'OK' - better than Portugal, but not convincing - we were better when Buendia came on for Coutinho, who flatters to deceive in games like these. Watkins is infuriating and I wouldn't be sorry to see him sold this summer - misses too many chances despite his running (which is always honest).
I'm getting a bit more unconvinced about our manager with every performance like this, but when you throw goals in and miss absolute sitters, you can't really judge it.
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Oh and Bailey. Not for me.
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A mid-table performance from a mid-table team. Nothing really to suggest we're on the verge of being any better than that. No one really comes out with any credit, though I thought Sanson was ok in the middle and that little Emi was good for his brief cameo.
Two awful goals to give away, but it could have been different if Ollie puts that chance away in the second half. However, not sure we deserved anything out of the game.
The summer will be interesting. If Gerrard can't get the squad he inherited to play the way he wants to, then I expect we'll be saying goodbye to quite a few 'regulars'. The alternative (which can't be ruled out), is that Gerrard isn't that good and it doesn't matter which players he has at his disposal.
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Hopefully you look for signs of improvement after poor performances, but all we get is the same bullshit
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Mid table team and a mid table performance. Disappointed in Bailey. He didn’t do much at all. McGinn needs a kick up the arse, his decision making for their first just not good enough.
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I am getting a bit tired of all these kinds of performances.
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Going backwards.
Fuck sake. Can somebody make us hard to beat again?
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Not good enough - our level at the moment is really poor.
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It’s not working is it?
A Dingles Double - how could we let this happen? Manager and players should hang their heads.
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Young is absolutely wank aswell,even putting his error to one side why the fuck does somebody so 'experienced' get involved in petulant shoving? Slowed the game down for them in injury time when w should have been throwing the kitchen sink at them.
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Poor again, but sadly expected.
McGinn is not a dm. Young is not a left back.
Buendia was our best player before being dropped.
These players don't choose their positions.
No substitution till 72nd minute other than the enforced sh-te one. Wtf is going on, on that bench?
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We haven’t got enough good players to get anywhere near the top 6. It’s as simple as that really.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
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We haven’t got enough good players to get anywhere near the top 6. It’s as simple as that really.
I am not sure we have a coach either.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
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Our transfer activity was poor in the last window? You joking?
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
I didnt say I think he would be. I was saying that if I was the Owners, and SG doesnt show more signs of learning before the end of the season, then I would bin him off before.
Thats if our ambition is to challange for europe
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
We're currently higher in the league than we've finished for over ten years, yet strangely I agree. I definitely disagree about Gerrard being out of his depth though. It may well transpire that that's the case, but it would be incredibly unfair to reach that conclusion after six months, particularly when we're higher in the league than we finished under Smith. He'll get a proper crack at it next season and rightly so.
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Our transfer activity was poor in the last window? You joking?
Countinho was great - but that is 100% Gerrard and nothing to do with our recruitment set up.
We shouldnt have let Targett go, and have seen nothing to suggets Luca Dean is an upgrade - mainly because he seems to be injured. He may turn out to be a great player.
And after that window, do we look any closer to being a top 8 team?
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
We're currently higher in the league than we've finished for over ten years, yet strangely I agree. I definitely disagree about Gerrard being out of his depth though. It may well transpire that that's the case, but it would be incredibly unfair to reach that conclusion after six months, particularly when we're higher in the league than we finished under Smith. He'll get a proper crack at it next season and rightly so.
I know what your saying, but well probably finish at least 10 points behind where we finished last season. I would be very surprised if we finish in the top half.
I am sure he will get a proper crack next season, and he probably deserves the chance to, but lets face it Dean got us to our highest finish in 10 years and was out the door within 10 games of the new season, and another season has been written off.
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You can’t put all the blame on Gerrard for not matching last season’s points. Smith had served up 10 points from 11 games.
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Why is Buendia out of favour. He is a play maker and makes an impression when he gets on. He should at least get 30 mins on the pitch if we are losing rather than about 15 plus extra time.
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No chance of us finishing top half this season as we are way too inconsistent. Realistically, I think we’ll finish 14th/15th unless we dramatically improve our performances.
I couldn’t believe how many people polled for us to win today. I went for the draw but even that was wide of the mark. If I voted with my heart, I’d put us down for a win every game but, just at this moment in time, we seem to actually be drifting backwards.
If it’s true that some of our players either want to leave the club or are wanted by other clubs in the summer, ie Luiz, Watkins and Cash, I’d let them go for the right amount of money.
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Depressing performance. I really question the tactics. Against a back 3 the space is in the channels. So why did we try and force the play through the middle for 90 mins. The season is becoming a bit shambolic from all concerned.
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Im not putting the blame on Gerrard - the point I am trying to make is have we seen enough from him and lange to trust them in ripping apart this team and rebuilding it at the cost of over £100m
Dean Smith was sacked because in Purslows words, we wasnt seeing the continual progress that we need.
We havent seen that this season under either manager imo, we have had a few good spells under Gerrard - but we are only 5 points better off then newcastle in 15th, and they have a game in hand.
Personally, I was hoping more from the new manager than not being quite as shit as Dean was in those first 11 games.
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We're too easy to beat. Wolves simply waited for us to lose possession, which we happily did & opened us up on the break. We lose possession, the full backs are out of position & the midfield are all ahead of the ball.
We had 9 corners & did the same thing on every one. Wolves created more from our corners than we did.
You've got to set out to be hard to beat & we are not. It happens in every away game. With the exception of the keeper, the whole spine of the team needs replacing.
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Why is Buendia out of favour. He is a play maker and makes an impression when he gets on. He should at least get 30 mins on the pitch if we are losing rather than about 15 plus extra time.
He did little v Arsenal and balance dosen't look right with him and Coutinho sharing the same turf.
Was bright with his cameo though so would assume he'll start next week.
Personally I'd like to see him in 8 position for a game or two. Might not work but who knows, McGinn isn't very good these days.
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:Fine margins. Both their goals were awful from a defensive perspective.Players slipping on their arse under no pressure and an awful moment for Young .Add to that a piss poor miss by Ollie Watkins. You just don't win Premier league games when you perform so abjectly in both areas. We're not catching Wolves now so I'd rather Gerrard gave the youth some game time. I expect big changes to our midfield in the summer window and at least one top class striker.
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Ruined my Saturday again. We were just poor.
I don’t understand the managers reluctance to use subs. Smith was bad for it and game management, Gerrard doesn’t seem to be any better. How you wait until 72 mins (injury aside) beggars belief at 2-0 down.
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I’ve seen us play worse but rarely been as bored watching as today - might as well have stuck a bleeding Coldplay dvd on tbh. Zzzzz
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Our lot in the game since the early 2000s has been v disappointing. Really poor. The big change in that time, for me, is players. Yes money has been a massive change but we have owners with deep pockets right now and Lerner did invest for 4 or 5 years. We haven't had a top, top manager in that time but the big problem has been the players.
Speaking in general terms, players underperform with us. They do well with their former club or they do well with their national side but for us they go through these periods of passive uncommitted shite. Either agents turning their heads or life being too comfortable at villa with a nice big wage and a nice flashy stadium to play at.
That's the big change from when I was a youth. It's so long since we had players who want to bust a gut for the shirt or who see that they can achieve their ambitions with us. Too often we have had players either using us for another move or using us for a big payday.
Granted, the jury is out on the current side but the signs aren't great. it all seems too familiar. It is all too sickening.
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Pants.
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1.Go up your opponent's end and score.
2.Stop them from scoring by defending properly.
3.When they've got the ball get it from them.
4. When we've got the ball don't give it away.
Simple really isn't it, or am I missing something?
Why couldn't we do any of 1,2,3 or 4 today?
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Depressing performance. I really question the tactics. Against a back 3 the space is in the channels. So why did we try and force the play through the middle for 90 mins. The season is becoming a bit shambolic from all concerned.
agree regarding tactics but the mistakes also killed us today.
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Just heard Gerrard.
My goodness I have never known a Villa manager get such an easy ride - maybe O'Neil aside.
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Depressing performance. I really question the tactics. Against a back 3 the space is in the channels. So why did we try and force the play through the middle for 90 mins. The season is becoming a bit shambolic from all concerned.
agree regarding tactics but the mistakes also killed us today.
CL these mistakes are nothing new. Surely Gerrard and staff have been here long enough to improve this
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1.Go up your opponent's end and score.
2.Stop them from scoring by defending properly.
3.When they've got the ball get it from them.
4. When we've got the ball don't give it away.
Simple really isn't it, or am I missing something?
Why couldn't we do any of 1,2,3 or 4 today?
I know right, it’s almost like the other team are trying to do the same.
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Depressing performance. I really question the tactics. Against a back 3 the space is in the channels. So why did we try and force the play through the middle for 90 mins. The season is becoming a bit shambolic from all concerned.
agree regarding tactics but the mistakes also killed us today.
CL these mistakes are nothing new. Surely Gerrard and staff have been here long enough to improve this
agree mate, we started slowly, put under a bit of pressure and concede.
Attitude?
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12580700/wolves-beat-rivals-aston-villa-to-go-seventh-in-premier-league
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
Absolutely deluded. And an exaggeration about the last 3 windows, despite the past 3 games, Coutinhio and Digne not good signings?
I dont particularly like mid table seasons and its a bit meh, can we draw a line under it and start again, but if you hate this season how did you cope two seasons ago when were utter dirge and just about escaped from relegation.
Its all disappointing but a bit of perspective is needed i think.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
Absolutely deluded. And an exaggeration about the last 3 windows, despite the past 3 games, Coutinhio and Digne not good signings?
I dont particularly like mid table seasons and its a bit meh, can we draw a line under it and start again, but if you hate this season how did you cope two seasons ago when were utter dirge and just about escaped from relegation.
Its all disappointing but a bit of perspective is needed i think.
Two years ago we were glad to be in the Premier League, we were still on the up and success was inevitable. Now there's a feeling that the new owner bounce is over and everything seems flat.
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I think the worst thing about the last 3 games apart from the results is how fucking boring we are to watch. We move the ball way too slowly and dont stretch teams enough.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
Absolutely deluded. And an exaggeration about the last 3 windows, despite the past 3 games, Coutinhio and Digne not good signings?
I dont particularly like mid table seasons and its a bit meh, can we draw a line under it and start again, but if you hate this season how did you cope two seasons ago when were utter dirge and just about escaped from relegation.
Its all disappointing but a bit of perspective is needed i think.
Two years ago we were glad to be in the Premier League, we were still on the up and success was inevitable. Now there's a feeling that the new owner bounce is over and everything seems flat.
The momentum was lost in the summer despite or in spite of the signings we made.
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We actually started brightly. Dominated the ball for 4 or 5 minutes and territory, they broke out and fortunately for them both McGinn and Konsa fall over at crucial moments.
Our heads wobble, Mings let's the long haired child past him and then we regain composure for a fair chunk. Never really threatening, never really working hard enough to lay a glove on them and then out of nowhere we concede a counter and head it into our net.
Wolves are ultra functional, listening to Pat Murphy pull his withered old cock over them in the car on the way back made me realise I'd watched a different game
But our obsessed ickle neighbours do the ugly side so much better than us. More physical, more tactical in the fouling, more direct at times, better on the break.
We seem to lack belief when we play anybody better. We definitely lack a physical presence and we remain absolutely generous in the handing out of the softest goals.
McGinn gives the ball away so cheap. Bailey was atrocious today. Watkins misses a sitter, Cash has to score at the end. Frustrating, but I feel that we'd probably reached the ceiling with this squad last summer. We lose Grealish, who covered so many sins that existed before him and still remain to be resolved.
If I'm looking forward to anything, it's the absolute nailed on return of Nakamba to the midfield. Strange times.
The Molineux remains a dire away end and the ground full of Villa obsessed twats. They pay us complement after complement by singing about us with such variety. Aston Villa, the total measure of a club round these parts.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
Absolutely deluded. And an exaggeration about the last 3 windows, despite the past 3 games, Coutinhio and Digne not good signings?
I dont particularly like mid table seasons and its a bit meh, can we draw a line under it and start again, but if you hate this season how did you cope two seasons ago when were utter dirge and just about escaped from relegation.
Its all disappointing but a bit of perspective is needed i think.
Ok hate is a strong word I just have enjoyed it less then any season since we went down
I’m not saying he will be sacked - I’m saying if I was the owners and he didn’t show more between now and the end of the season then that’s what I would do.
We have seen what happens in this movie before - I think he’ll do well to last next season.
I’m also not saying that the club is in a bad place as a club - just I dont like the fact we that for other than 7 or 8 games this season we have looked rubbish. At the end of last season I thought that this really was going to be different this time.
If we’re going to be mid table I would rather have stuck with Dean and maybe focus on the youth players.
This most recent transfer window saw some quality players come in - but are we any better for it? We have won 3 out of the 9 games we played since then.
They also came in because of SG bit because of our recruitment department.
I personally struggle to see that SG will help us achieve the continual improvement that is the clubs aim
I really hope I’m wrong - and am eating humble pie soon
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We finished that relegation battle with only a point less than what we've got now and I really can't see us picking up too many more so we've definitely gone backwards from last season. The quality of the league is worse this season I would say.
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What has happened since that vibrant, dominant performance at Leeds? It looks a completely different team now! We moved the ball quickly at Leeds and they couldn't cope. Baffled!
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I’ve said this before but all Gerrard needs to do is look at a couple of videos as to how we played when he first arrived. We need to press high up the pitch and move the ball far quicker from the back. Invariably, we make sideways and backwards passes so often that it’s so easy for the opposition to get back to their defensive shape. Even then, one of our midfielders gives the ball away and we are under pressure again. Come on Steven, football is not rocket science so please put the tablet away and concentrate on what’s going on, on the pitch, and make changes far quicker when you need to.
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Sounds like it’s been kicking off on a train back to New Street.
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What has happened since that vibrant, dominant performance at Leeds? It looks a completely different team now! We moved the ball quickly at Leeds and they couldn't cope. Baffled!
Er….because we were playing Leeds.
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I’ve said this before but all Gerrard needs to do is look at a couple of videos as to how we played when he first arrived. We need to press high up the pitch and move the ball far quicker from the back. Invariably, we make sideways and backwards passes so often that it’s so easy for the opposition to get back to their defensive shape. Even then, one of our midfielders gives the ball away and we are under pressure again. Come on Steven, football is not rocket science so please put the tablet away and concentrate on what’s going on, on the pitch, and make changes far quicker when you need to.
Isnt that the new manager bounce though? Im not saying that to put down SG - I'm sure I read it somewhere that the increase in ground covered is a big part of the new manager is a bounce.
Players run a bit more etc to impress the manager, and have faith in trying something new rather than the failed things the previous manager did.
I wonder if some of this is because we have nothing to play for, and I think a number of players know they wont be there next season. (Maybe Konsa, Watkins, Luiz)
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They have conceded 15 goals less than us this season
Watching today you can see why, they have a structure in front of a very good goalkeeper
We fuck around between defence and midfield in front of a very good goalkeeper
I hope that SG has a plan and knows the style and brand of football he wants played, I also hope that he knows who fits that bill
there are clearly 4 or 5 in this team who either do not resonate with the plan or are incapable of effecting it
or has he and his team not been able to not been able to motivate/instill the desire or plan into the team ?
I can see quite a few moving on this summer and frankly i don't care.
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We’re such a bloody soft touch, so utterly frustrating. Lots to do to progress beyond our lower mid table position but the answer can’t always be to buy more players.
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We finished that relegation battle with only a point less than what we've got now and I really can't see us picking up too many more so we've definitely gone backwards from last season. The quality of the league is worse this season I would say.
For f**ks sake there are 8 games left to play, and you think we are “definitely” going backwards because we will probably lose them all. Motivational.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
Absolutely deluded. And an exaggeration about the last 3 windows, despite the past 3 games, Coutinhio and Digne not good signings?
I dont particularly like mid table seasons and its a bit meh, can we draw a line under it and start again, but if you hate this season how did you cope two seasons ago when were utter dirge and just about escaped from relegation.
Its all disappointing but a bit of perspective is needed i think.
Two years ago we were glad to be in the Premier League, we were still on the up and success was inevitable. Now there's a feeling that the new owner bounce is over and everything seems flat.
I get that Dave and i get we’ve lost the Grealish and Smith factor. But when we were getting hammered at home 1-6 to Man City, losing a last minute goal to Spurs or the utter shambles that was Leicester away, there was lots of talk on here about how we’d cope back in the championship financially and without Grealish, Mings, McGinn etc, it definitely wasn’t all optimism and instead it was talk of the disaster relegation would be.
We havent progressed this year and it feels like we’ve gone backwards because of the football we were playing prior to xmas 2020 in comparison to now. But i think the reality is we’ve stalled rather than slide backwards. Its been a stop start season and maybe it was always going to be after losing such a iconic player, and if nothing else mid table is dull, so itll be good when its done and we can start moving a few players on who have been good for us, but will never make us any better than we are now.
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We’re such a bloody soft touch, so utterly frustrating. Lots to do to progress beyond our lower mid table position but the answer can’t always be to buy more players.
huge overhauls and new managers can't always be the answer. We need better coaching and tactics. Hopefully Gerrard will have some answers after a pre-season with the players that don't get shipped out and some new ones that come in.
I'd be happy seeing some of the younger players getting a run out now for the remainder of the season
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Best case is summer 95
Worst case is summer 15
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Still raging. No urgency or passion. Shocking.
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Hate this season - cant wait for it to be over.
After 3 great seasons under NSWE, were going backwards for the first time.
Our transfer activity over the last 3 windows have been poor - and I wouldnt be suprised at all to see lange go. Both managers have been badly let down for us failing to get in a better midfielder - and there is a real possibility that will end up costing both managers there job
Gerrard is out of his depth, needs to show a lot of learning between now and the end of the season, otherwise if I was the owners I would laugh him off, and go all out to bring a truely great manager in.
Sounds harsh, but otherwise well just have another clear out and the teams above will continue to improve, and well be overtaken by others and he'll still be gone by this time next year.
With our run in, theres a very real chance well finish 12 or below - which is really disapointing.
If you think Gerrard will be binned you're deluded
Absolutely deluded. And an exaggeration about the last 3 windows, despite the past 3 games, Coutinhio and Digne not good signings?
I dont particularly like mid table seasons and its a bit meh, can we draw a line under it and start again, but if you hate this season how did you cope two seasons ago when were utter dirge and just about escaped from relegation.
Its all disappointing but a bit of perspective is needed i think.
Two years ago we were glad to be in the Premier League, we were still on the up and success was inevitable. Now there's a feeling that the new owner bounce is over and everything seems flat.
I get that Dave and i get we’ve lost the Grealish and Smith factor. But when we were getting hammered at home 1-6 to Man City, losing a last minute goal to Spurs or the utter shambles that was Leicester away, there was lots of talk on here about how we’d cope back in the championship financially and without Grealish, Mings, McGinn etc, it definitely wasn’t all optimism and instead it was talk of the disaster relegation would be.
We havent progressed this year and it feels like we’ve gone backwards because of the football we were playing prior to xmas 2020 in comparison to now. But i think the reality is we’ve stalled rather than slide backwards. Its been a stop start season and maybe it was always going to be after losing such a iconic player, and if nothing else mid table is dull, so itll be good when its done and we can start moving a few players on who have been good for us, but will never make us any better than we are now.
I think I agree with that, but I would say we have slide backwords. We beat Arsenal x 2, Liverpool, Spurs, Wolves and Chealsea last season - they felt within reach - they dont now. You have to assume that these teams will be looking to improve in the summer.
I think the reason I feel so negative is I dont think the formation we play will ever work in the premership. So whatever we do in that respect in the summer will be risky as all it will do is make use less bad at playing a flawed system
I thought that SG was onto something with the diamond and two upfront - as we looked like we know what we were going but since then we have been shite
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A bit of ambition/action in last 10 mins and seems like we tried
Absolute lack of ambition,passion and quality in the previous 80
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First away game for some while
Wolves fans seem obsessed with us. Strange that some of our lot seemed more interested in baiting them back than watching the game. Odd
Atmosphere seemed quiet from the outset. Little singing from us. Never seen a goal so little celebrated from us including me
They are v organised and difficult to break down. They didn’t need to play well to beat us.
Poor performance from us. Too slow and ponderous and not obvious what the game plan was. Everything seems to go through Ty from the back and it just doesn’t work.
The team needs breaking up. Several, probably 3 or 4 of the team need to be moved on. It need shaking up big time. I’d sell 4 of Ollie, Ings, Doug, Cash, SJM. Squad players need to be moved in as well. Basically a major rebuild to raise cash. We won’t get better with this squad. Maybe some know they are leaving and is reflected in the last 3 defeats.
As others have said it feels like a wasted season. I can’t wait for it to finish tbh
Young was poor today but pass of the game for Ollie’s miss
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A lot of the problems from last season are still there, mainly:
* that we don’t tend to get anything from a game when the opposition score first.
* we always seem to get punished for our mistakes but rarely seem to punish the opposition for theirs.
* the midfield balance is a problem.
Improved coaching and tactics can help to a certain extent but a major overhaul will be required to get the players to play SG’s system - more than we would have needed to make if we’d have got a manager closer to the style and tactical set up of DS. That being the case, it’s a major leap for the owners to spend a shed load for SG. They either have to go all in and believe in him and what he’s trying to do or they get rid. It can’t be in the middle, otherwise he’ll be out in the future sure enough and we’ll have wasted more time and resources with our better players inevitably leaving.
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Ollie scores after 60 minutes we win. When he broke away I felt exactly how I did when Agbonlahor used to break one on one with the keeper.
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How did Sanson go today?
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How did Sanson go today?
I thought he played quite well; tidy, some good pressing and offered the most out of our midfield 3. Thought he was unlucky to be subbed.
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A lot of the problems from last season are still there, mainly:
* that we don’t tend to get anything from a game when the opposition score first.
* we always seem to get punished for our mistakes but rarely seem to punish the opposition for theirs.
* the midfield balance is a problem.
Improved coaching and tactics can help to a certain extent but a major overhaul will be required to get the players to play SG’s system - more than we would have needed to make if we’d have got a manager closer to the style and tactical set up of DS. That being the case, it’s a major leap for the owners to spend a shed load for SG. They either have to go all in and believe in him and what he’s trying to do or they get rid. It can’t be in the middle, otherwise he’ll be out in the future sure enough and we’ll have wasted more time and resources with our better players inevitably leaving.
I think thats what I was trying to say in my first angry post game posts.
Its a big leap - and to me personally it seems a big risk because its not proven to work. Backing a Conte is much easier than backing someone who has manager less then 20 games in a top league.
You have to go all in or not, and personally I would want to see more before I went all in. If he can secure a top half finish, and maybe beat Spurs, Liverpool or Man City then I would have much less reservations.
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How did Sanson go today?
I thought he played quite well; tidy, some good pressing and offered the most out of our midfield 3. Thought he was unlucky to be subbed.
thought he was our best midfielder. McGinn is good that deep - and Ramsey didnt get much of a chance to drive forward, seemed to be covering Young
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How did Sanson go today?
I thought he played quite well; tidy, some good pressing and offered the most out of our midfield 3. Thought he was unlucky to be subbed.
thought he was our best midfielder. McGinn is good that deep - and Ramsey didnt get much of a chance to drive forward, seemed to be covering Young
Sanson got subbed right after cheaply giving the ball away, again…
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A lot of the problems from last season are still there, mainly:
* that we don’t tend to get anything from a game when the opposition score first.
* we always seem to get punished for our mistakes but rarely seem to punish the opposition for theirs.
* the midfield balance is a problem.
Improved coaching and tactics can help to a certain extent but a major overhaul will be required to get the players to play SG’s system - more than we would have needed to make if we’d have got a manager closer to the style and tactical set up of DS. That being the case, it’s a major leap for the owners to spend a shed load for SG. They either have to go all in and believe in him and what he’s trying to do or they get rid. It can’t be in the middle, otherwise he’ll be out in the future sure enough and we’ll have wasted more time and resources with our better players inevitably leaving.
I think thats what I was trying to say in my first angry post game posts.
Its a big leap - and to me personally it seems a big risk because its not proven to work. Backing a Conte is much easier than backing someone who has manager less then 20 games in a top league.
You have to go all in or not, and personally I would want to see more before I went all in. If he can secure a top half finish, and maybe beat Spurs, Liverpool or Man City then I would have much less reservations.
I think if the club don’t believe in what SG is trying to do by the end of the season they need to change him because the bigger mistake would be to carry on and we end up in the same position in November where we’re on the market again for a new manager. But there’s also politics involved now, because Purslow knows he’ll probably be out if SG’s appointment goes wrong.
If the club believe in what SG is trying to do, they need to back him to the hilt and get him the players he needs (particularly in midfield) to play his system. Otherwise, what’s the point in him being in post, apart from an increased media profile for the club?
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A lot of the problems from last season are still there, mainly:
* that we don’t tend to get anything from a game when the opposition score first.
* we always seem to get punished for our mistakes but rarely seem to punish the opposition for theirs.
* the midfield balance is a problem.
Improved coaching and tactics can help to a certain extent but a major overhaul will be required to get the players to play SG’s system - more than we would have needed to make if we’d have got a manager closer to the style and tactical set up of DS. That being the case, it’s a major leap for the owners to spend a shed load for SG. They either have to go all in and believe in him and what he’s trying to do or they get rid. It can’t be in the middle, otherwise he’ll be out in the future sure enough and we’ll have wasted more time and resources with our better players inevitably leaving.
I think thats what I was trying to say in my first angry post game posts.
Its a big leap - and to me personally it seems a big risk because its not proven to work. Backing a Conte is much easier than backing someone who has manager less then 20 games in a top league.
You have to go all in or not, and personally I would want to see more before I went all in. If he can secure a top half finish, and maybe beat Spurs, Liverpool or Man City then I would have much less reservations.
I think if the club don’t believe in what SG is trying to do by the end of the season they need to change him because the bigger mistake would be to carry on and we end up in the same position in November where we’re on the market again for a new manager. But there’s also politics involved now, because Purslow knows he’ll probably be out if SG’s appointment goes wrong.
If the club believe in what SG is trying to do, they need to back him to the hilt and get him the players he needs (particularly in midfield) to play his system. Otherwise, what’s the point in him being in post, apart from an increased media profile for the club?
If I was a betting man, I would say they will back him to the hilt - but with signings that "should" work for other managers. (Whether that transpires into realitiy is another thing).
I think if it doesnt work well see Purslow and SG go.
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They will back him and it will either work out
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How did Sanson go today?
I thought he played quite well; tidy, some good pressing and offered the most out of our midfield 3. Thought he was unlucky to be subbed.
thought he was our best midfielder. McGinn is good that deep - and Ramsey didnt get much of a chance to drive forward, seemed to be covering Young
Sanson got subbed right after cheaply giving the ball away, again…
If that was the problem, McGinn should be subbed in the second minute. He gives the ball away so cheaply.
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Whenever I see Sanson, I think he plays ok, but I've not seen anything extra.
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If that was the problem, McGinn should be subbed in the second minute. He gives the ball away so cheaply.
It's literally all he ever does in a Villa shirt these days. I don't care that he's not playing in the same position he does when he's playing for Scotland against the Faroes or Israel, passing to somebody in the same coloured shirt shouldn't be beyond him. Over-rated, get shut in the summer, he very rarely does enough.
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A lot of the problems from last season are still there, mainly:
* that we don’t tend to get anything from a game when the opposition score first.
* we always seem to get punished for our mistakes but rarely seem to punish the opposition for theirs.
* the midfield balance is a problem.
Improved coaching and tactics can help to a certain extent but a major overhaul will be required to get the players to play SG’s system - more than we would have needed to make if we’d have got a manager closer to the style and tactical set up of DS. That being the case, it’s a major leap for the owners to spend a shed load for SG. They either have to go all in and believe in him and what he’s trying to do or they get rid. It can’t be in the middle, otherwise he’ll be out in the future sure enough and we’ll have wasted more time and resources with our better players inevitably leaving.
I think thats what I was trying to say in my first angry post game posts.
Its a big leap - and to me personally it seems a big risk because its not proven to work. Backing a Conte is much easier than backing someone who has manager less then 20 games in a top league.
You have to go all in or not, and personally I would want to see more before I went all in. If he can secure a top half finish, and maybe beat Spurs, Liverpool or Man City then I would have much less reservations.
I think if the club don’t believe in what SG is trying to do by the end of the season they need to change him because the bigger mistake would be to carry on and we end up in the same position in November where we’re on the market again for a new manager. But there’s also politics involved now, because Purslow knows he’ll probably be out if SG’s appointment goes wrong.
If the club believe in what SG is trying to do, they need to back him to the hilt and get him the players he needs (particularly in midfield) to play his system. Otherwise, what’s the point in him being in post, apart from an increased media profile for the club?
If I was a betting man, I would say they will back him to the hilt - but with signings that "should" work for other managers. (Whether that transpires into realitiy is another thing).
I think if it doesnt work well see Purslow and SG go.
That would be more in line with the approach I think has previously been followed I.e. recruiting players in a strategic way, with the thought that if the manager left then it wouldn’t require a complete overhaul.
The problem is that the club have recruited a manager who will need a lot more players to successfully play his system and this will require major investment. It may also require writing off loses on players as part of that e.g. Bailey, Traore.
I’ve been of the view that SG’s recruitment as manager was not strategic and did not follow a defined approach-chiefly that it was not based on shortlist drawn up by the DOF. The most pointed comment was that Lange had to be impressed with SG’s pitch and approach. That’s surely the case for any manager, but as information released it also suggests that it was because it wasn’t a candidate that Lange as DOG had drawn up but can now take his share of the blame for if things go wrong. And trying to demonstrate that a strategic approach to recruitment had been followed.
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If Lange's player acquisitions are anything to go by I'm glad he wasn't picking the manager. We'd have ended up with Barry Fry.
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As much as I’d hate to see SJM move on , of late he’s certainly not the player I’ve come to love and adore.
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If that was the problem, McGinn should be subbed in the second minute. He gives the ball away so cheaply.
It's literally all he ever does in a Villa shirt these days. I don't care that he's not playing in the same position he does when he's playing for Scotland against the Faroes or Israel, passing to somebody in the same coloured shirt shouldn't be beyond him. Over-rated, get shut in the summer, he very rarely does enough.
Ah, the “literally” argument. Almost on a par with “plan B” as a shite pundit’s reason for a poor display. John Mcginn has scored many goals for Scotland against decent opposition, not just also rans like Israel or the Faroes. He will come good again, as he has done before.
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If that was the problem, McGinn should be subbed in the second minute. He gives the ball away so cheaply.
It's literally all he ever does in a Villa shirt these days. I don't care that he's not playing in the same position he does when he's playing for Scotland against the Faroes or Israel, passing to somebody in the same coloured shirt shouldn't be beyond him. Over-rated, get shut in the summer, he very rarely does enough.
Ah, the “literally” argument. Almost on a par with “plan B” as a shite pundit’s reason for a poor display. John Mcginn has scored many goals for Scotland against decent opposition, not just also rans like Israel or the Faroes. He will come good again, as he has done before.
He probably will. But he's been below par for way to long for us and needs taking out.
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I mean on the bench, not cross bow.
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When is Marvellous coming back? I suspect when he does SJM will be back to his old self.
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If that was the problem, McGinn should be subbed in the second minute. He gives the ball away so cheaply.
It's literally all he ever does in a Villa shirt these days. I don't care that he's not playing in the same position he does when he's playing for Scotland against the Faroes or Israel, passing to somebody in the same coloured shirt shouldn't be beyond him. Over-rated, get shut in the summer, he very rarely does enough.
Ah, the “literally” argument. Almost on a par with “plan B” as a shite pundit’s reason for a poor display. John Mcginn has scored many goals for Scotland against decent opposition, not just also rans like Israel or the Faroes. He will come good again, as he has done before.
Mcginn was outstanding in the championship, but has been inconsistent in the premier. Lots of really average performances, but then some really excellent performances, Leeds away recently was one, there were a quiet a few last year, Chelsea away springs to mind.
I don’t think the answer at the moment is to get rid of all the decent but inconsistent players, we’ll have hardly anyone left. Some need moving on, but some need to become squad players rather than guaranteed weekly starters. As squad players they’ll either improve with (hopefully) better players, new to the club, around them or they won’t.
Id put McGinn in the squad player category, rather than getting rid.
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The first Dogheads game was season defining for Smith. Inept collapse.
This one is season defining for Gerard, passively treading water.
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If Lange's player acquisitions are anything to go by I'm glad he wasn't picking the manager. We'd have ended up with Barry Fry.
I think the point is that in his role he should be and should have a shortlist of candidates already which should be aligned with playing style and recruitment. We don’t want to be going down the Marcel Brands / Everton route.
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A lot of the problems from last season are still there, mainly:
* that we don’t tend to get anything from a game when the opposition score first.
* we always seem to get punished for our mistakes but rarely seem to punish the opposition for theirs.
* the midfield balance is a problem.
Improved coaching and tactics can help to a certain extent but a major overhaul will be required to get the players to play SG’s system - more than we would have needed to make if we’d have got a manager closer to the style and tactical set up of DS. That being the case, it’s a major leap for the owners to spend a shed load for SG. They either have to go all in and believe in him and what he’s trying to do or they get rid. It can’t be in the middle, otherwise he’ll be out in the future sure enough and we’ll have wasted more time and resources with our better players inevitably leaving.
I think thats what I was trying to say in my first angry post game posts.
Its a big leap - and to me personally it seems a big risk because its not proven to work. Backing a Conte is much easier than backing someone who has manager less then 20 games in a top league.
You have to go all in or not, and personally I would want to see more before I went all in. If he can secure a top half finish, and maybe beat Spurs, Liverpool or Man City then I would have much less reservations.
I think if the club don’t believe in what SG is trying to do by the end of the season they need to change him because the bigger mistake would be to carry on and we end up in the same position in November where we’re on the market again for a new manager. But there’s also politics involved now, because Purslow knows he’ll probably be out if SG’s appointment goes wrong.
If the club believe in what SG is trying to do, they need to back him to the hilt and get him the players he needs (particularly in midfield) to play his system. Otherwise, what’s the point in him being in post, apart from an increased media profile for the club?
Absolutely 100% this. The club chose to go for Gerrard and now they’ve got to back him to the hilt and give him at the very least 3 seasons to build his own team. The alternative is to sack him immediately if they’re not going to back him before we buy “Gerrard” players who’ll be there and surplus to requirements for any new manager. I think that’s the problem now. Gerrard has Smiths players and it’s working well.
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If that was the problem, McGinn should be subbed in the second minute. He gives the ball away so cheaply.
It's literally all he ever does in a Villa shirt these days. I don't care that he's not playing in the same position he does when he's playing for Scotland against the Faroes or Israel, passing to somebody in the same coloured shirt shouldn't be beyond him. Over-rated, get shut in the summer, he very rarely does enough.
Ah, the “literally” argument. Almost on a par with “plan B” as a shite pundit’s reason for a poor display. John Mcginn has scored many goals for Scotland against decent opposition, not just also rans like Israel or the Faroes. He will come good again, as he has done before.
Even "shite pundits " do a small amount of research before going off on a hissy fit like a hysterical teenager, you should try it some time. Far from scoring "many goals" against "decent" opposition, these are his international goals for Scotland (Fifa rankings in brackets):
Russia - 1 (36)
San Marino - 3 (211)
Cyprus - 1 (105)
Kazakhstan - 1 (125)
Austria - 2 (34)
Faroe Islands - 2 (124)
Israel -1 (76)
I make that 3 goals against two half decent (at best) teams in Austria and Russia, and the rest against the whipping boys of European and world football.
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Kazhakstan are the greatest country in the world, all other countries, are run by little girls.
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A fair point, well made. Many of the surrounding countries make inferior potassium.
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When is Marvellous coming back? I suspect when he does SJM will be back to his old self.
He played for the U23s last night.
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Sounds like it’s been kicking off on a train back to New Street.
The train I was on took two hours to get from Wolverhampton to New St. Not sure if that’s what you’re referring to. We we’re stationary near Smethwick for most of that time. Rumours that someone had had a heart attack and died however all the driver was saying over the PA was that people kept pressing the emergency button so we couldn’t move. It was seriously packed and uncomfortable anyway as there were loads of Liverpool glory hunters onboard before hundreds of Villa fans got on at Wolverhampton. People then started jumping out and walking down the tracks to escape the heat onboard and take their chances on foot. Police were called and boarded the train. More delays, no one knew what was happening. Horrible end to a shit day.
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Sounds chaotic.
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Sounds like it’s been kicking off on a train back to New Street.
The train I was on took two hours to get from Wolverhampton to New St. Not sure if that’s what you’re referring to. We we’re stationary near Smethwick for most of that time. Rumours that someone had had a heart attack and died however all the driver was saying over the PA was that people kept pressing the emergency button so we couldn’t move. It was seriously packed and uncomfortable anyway as there were loads of Liverpool glory hunters onboard before hundreds of Villa fans got on at Wolverhampton. People then started jumping out and walking down the tracks to escape the heat onboard and take their chances on foot. Police were called and boarded the train. More delays, no one knew what was happening. Horrible end to a shit day.
heard the same about pressing the button, know someone who got off and got a taxi back to South Birmingham
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We’ve turned Coutinho into a Villa player. That’s not a good thing.
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Sounds like it’s been kicking off on a train back to New Street.
The train I was on took two hours to get from Wolverhampton to New St. Not sure if that’s what you’re referring to. We we’re stationary near Smethwick for most of that time. Rumours that someone had had a heart attack and died however all the driver was saying over the PA was that people kept pressing the emergency button so we couldn’t move. It was seriously packed and uncomfortable anyway as there were loads of Liverpool glory hunters onboard before hundreds of Villa fans got on at Wolverhampton. People then started jumping out and walking down the tracks to escape the heat onboard and take their chances on foot. Police were called and boarded the train. More delays, no one knew what was happening. Horrible end to a shit day.
Was going to say getting the tram back would've been a less stress experience but they've stopped running yet again due to faulty track now.
Brum really excelling itself again with transport issues in Commonwealth games year.
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Just watched it now. Didn’t really have that derby feel til the last 10 minutes. Dog heads are a good side. There’s no arguing that. We could’ve been 4-0 down at half time. They were so sharp on the break and used the full width of the pitch going forward. Gutted we lost and most people won’t say it was a classic, but I quite enjoyed it. It’s the giving the ball away that fucked us. Same as against Arsenal. There is a decent Villa team in there, but just keep shooting ourselves in the foot, ceding possession at critical points in the match.
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Interesting line up with Sanson and Bailey starting neither pulled up any trees with performances to keep out Luiz or Buendia, this against a functional but injury hit wolves outfit. I don’t know where we go from here !
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Fucking gash performance today. Will we ever be consistent?
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We won three in a row and now we've lost three in a row. How consistent do you want us to be?!
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on a different note, the guys and gals that were waving the flags before the kick off, they look like car guards who have just been pulled off the street
Very classy
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Wolves are a pretty good side. They’re above us in the league for a reason. Thought Sanson did OK and should probably start the next match. Was excited to see what Bailey had to offer. Turns out, not much. That deal is looking like a big waste of money. Gerrard hinted in his post-match interview that there’s a big clear out coming in the summer. Was chatting to a Leeds supporter yesterday ( yes, I know). He reckons they’d sell Phillips if we’d put a decent bid in.
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The first thing I noticed was how much quicker and sharper they were than us. I've seen us play worse but it was nowhere near what it should or needs to be.
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I watched the game behind enemy lines, some observations are that they dont like us very much and seem very put out at our indifference. Civilisation still has many challenges around dentistry and personal hygiene before claiming Wolverhampton for its own.
The good: I didn’t get my head kicked in. I had a very nice meal afterwards.
The bad: Everything else. Shambolic in defence, too many touches in a ponderous midfield and a lack of quality up front, Bailey looked well off it and Ollie’s first touch was pitiful.
That said despite being second best for all but a few scarce patches, we still had enough chances to get an ill deserved point.
They just looked better organised and more fluid.
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Sounds like it’s been kicking off on a train back to New Street.
The train I was on took two hours to get from Wolverhampton to New St. Not sure if that’s what you’re referring to. We we’re stationary near Smethwick for most of that time. Rumours that someone had had a heart attack and died however all the driver was saying over the PA was that people kept pressing the emergency button so we couldn’t move. It was seriously packed and uncomfortable anyway as there were loads of Liverpool glory hunters onboard before hundreds of Villa fans got on at Wolverhampton. People then started jumping out and walking down the tracks to escape the heat onboard and take their chances on foot. Police were called and boarded the train. More delays, no one knew what was happening. Horrible end to a shit day.
The train I got on at 19.30 was actually the delayed 17.20, a few said it was the second time they’d left Wolvo, no-one said anything about trouble? I really felt for those sitting around a harmless and well meaning tatter who was perhaps the dullest man I’ve ever had to listen to.
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As much as I’d hate to see SJM move on , of late he’s certainly not the player I’ve come to love and adore.
I don’t think he needs to move on but we need to drop him. His place is far too automatic.
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How did Sanson go today?
Peripheral.
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How did Sanson go today?
Peripheral.
Yes, neat, tidy, didn’t do anything wrong, didn’t do much to suggest he should have played in previous games. We looked more secure when Duggie came on.
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How did Sanson go today?
Peripheral.
Yes, neat, tidy, didn’t do anything wrong, didn’t do much to suggest he should have played in previous games. We looked more secure when Duggie came on.
I said on here a couple of weeks ago that I thought Luiz needed a break but we missed him yesterday.
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If ever a game demonstrated our need for a classy defensive MF, this was it. Outmuscled and outpaced.
Also, we were crying out for a centre forward who could hold the ball up and bring our midfielders into the attack. Watkins was pure gash and demonstrated his limitations yesterday.
Pretty disappointing all round.
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Another dreaded first half of a game, at least we're consistent in that respect, Wolves could have been out of sight at half time, as in our previous 2 games left our fight back far too late, although Matty very nearly gave us an undeserved equaliser.
On our present form, the only winnable games left look like been the 2 Burnley games and Norwich.
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Sounds like it’s been kicking off on a train back to New Street.
The train I was on took two hours to get from Wolverhampton to New St. Not sure if that’s what you’re referring to. We we’re stationary near Smethwick for most of that time. Rumours that someone had had a heart attack and died however all the driver was saying over the PA was that people kept pressing the emergency button so we couldn’t move. It was seriously packed and uncomfortable anyway as there were loads of Liverpool glory hunters onboard before hundreds of Villa fans got on at Wolverhampton. People then started jumping out and walking down the tracks to escape the heat onboard and take their chances on foot. Police were called and boarded the train. More delays, no one knew what was happening. Horrible end to a shit day.
heard the same about pressing the button, know someone who got off and got a taxi back to South Birmingham
I was on that train yesterday. The initial delay was caused by the emergency button being pressed and a door forced open to get some air to the bloke who'd collapsed (he was OK btw). Then, the problems were exacerbated by other doors being opened and people getting off and walking back to Smethwick station. An engineer had to come and sort the doors and a couple of coppers got on the train and I overheard one of them saying that 11 people who had left the train, had been arrested. Although it was a crammed train, the atmosphere in my carriage was quite jovial, with good banter amongst Villa, Tatters and Liverpool plastics.
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How did Sanson go today?
I thought he played quite well; tidy, some good pressing and offered the most out of our midfield 3. Thought he was unlucky to be subbed.
thought he was our best midfielder. McGinn is good that deep - and Ramsey didnt get much of a chance to drive forward, seemed to be covering Young
Sanson got subbed right after cheaply giving the ball away, again…
If that’s the criteria I don’t know how McGinn stays on for more than ten minutes every week.
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Agreed with bells on. McGinn isn't good enough.
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Every time there’s a rumour about someone offering £50m for McGinn and read comments from Villa fans getting all uppity about it I think ‘are you mad?’.
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I was there they got there goals from two players slipping and an own goal from Ashley Young Ollie had chances to score a couple of goals yesterday I'm disappointed with todays game then there was trouble outside the ground with fans clashing and it took me 4 hours on a fast train to London get home.
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
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Scots glasses on? He slows the game down with his turning circle and arse-movement too much to be effective for teams like Arsenal who play with pace through the middle. Not sure what he'd offer Chelsea or Liverpool either. A bit of wavelength with Robbo's left foot but....nah.
And i thought Grealish was our player of the year for the last three or four, and Matt Targett got Players Player last year. This year it'll be JJ.
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Grealish missed half the season and the players' award is a nonsense. People trying to convince themselves that McGinn wouldn't get a game ahead of the likes of Fred, Curtis Jones and Partey are moaning for the sake of it.
Every time we play well McGinn plays a huge part and we would be significantly worse if he left. Be careful what you wish for.
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Grealish missed half the season and the players' award is a nonsense. People trying to convince themselves that McGinn wouldn't get a game ahead of the likes of Fred, Curtis Jones and Partey are moaning for the sake of it.
Every time we play well McGinn plays a huge part and we would be significantly worse if he left. Be careful what you wish for.
No way does he oust Fred or Partey.Don't know if you are serious though
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I wish Mcgiveitaway would not give it away so much.
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
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Grealish missed half the season and the players' award is a nonsense. People trying to convince themselves that McGinn wouldn't get a game ahead of the likes of Fred, Curtis Jones and Partey are moaning for the sake of it.
Every time we play well McGinn plays a huge part and we would be significantly worse if he left. Be careful what you wish for.
Careful, this is the most wrong anybody's ever been since the whole Two Pints of Lager confession. Did you happen to see us when we played Arsenal the other day? Partey is a much, much better player than McGinn.
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Partey played very well. He doesn't play like that every week, though. Arsenal fans moan about him. Ask any opposing fans which Villa player they rate highest and McGinn will be near or at the top.
As for the poster above claiming he's not as good as Fred...
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
Are West Ham in the top six?
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Partey played very well. He doesn't play like that every week, though. Arsenal fans moan about him. Ask any opposing fans which Villa player they rate highest and McGinn will be near or at the top.
As for the poster above claiming he's not as good as Fred...
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Laugh away. Maybe you don't watch Fred and just fall into the "he's shit" camp.
Joker
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You're a Pound Shop Risso.
Fred, FFS. He's about as good as me.
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You're a Pound Shop Risso.
Fred, FFS. He's about as good as me.
So you're an upgrade on McGinn then
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
Are West Ham in the top six?
No, but then you've just weakened your own argument!
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Not really, my argument was he would play for any team in the top six bar Man City. Maybe Chelsea, can't be arsed to check how old Kante is.
West Ham have a bizarrely brilliant midfield considering many of the rest of the team aren't that great.
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Not really, my argument was he would play for any team in the top six bar Man City. Maybe Chelsea, can't be arsed to check how old Kante is.
West Ham have a bizarrely brilliant midfield considering many of the rest of the team aren't that great.
The one thing that McGinn is particularly shit at is the defensive side of things, but you're mentioning Kante. Go home CD, you've had enough!
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Personally, I think you'd be suprised at how many big clubs would be in for him.
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He's often terrible in the role he's being asked to play, but he's been asked to play in that role because of the club's repeated failure to shore up the DM position.
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Personally, I think you'd be suprised at how many big clubs would be in for him.
There's absolutely no way of knowing, so it's a non-argument until one actually does. They don't appear to have so far though. Still, fingers crossed.
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This is an extremely worrying development. Do you have to? Is it not possible to keep these to a minimum?
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Apologies, my finger got stuck.
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He's often terrible in the role he's being asked to play, but he's been asked to play in that role because of the club's repeated failure to shore up the DM position.
12 goals in 44 games for Scotland which is not bad at all and all because they play him where he should be played.
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He's often terrible in the role he's being asked to play, but he's been asked to play in that role because of the club's repeated failure to shore up the DM position.
12 goals in 44 games for Scotland which is not bad at all and all because they play him where he should be played.
As I posted yesterday, it's the teams he's scored against. A hattrick against San Marino accounts for a quarter of those. San Marino are officially the worst team in world football, ranked below Guam, South Sudan, Scotland and the Cook Islands.
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Yes, let's discredit goals in International Football just to suit an argument. How depressing.
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Scotland team enjoying its best spell since the 1920s and McGinn is generally considered to be the star man. Long may it continue. (It won't though, as Wales have the hoodoo on us even if we beat Ukraine).
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Scotland team enjoying its best spell since the 1920s and McGinn is generally considered to be the star man. Long may it continue. (It won't though, as Wales have the hoodoo on us even if we beat Ukraine).
The system and position he plays for Scotland suits him, he has not been consistent for us for 2 seasons and he is even less suited to his role in this set up.
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A lot more wrong than worrying about mcginn. He looks good when we play well
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We only play well 40% of the time or less though.
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Yes, let's discredit goals in International Football just to suit an argument. How depressing.
So you think that goals against San Marino and the Faroes are proof of McGinn's quality?
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
Are West Ham in the top six?
Yep. ;)
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
Moyes press conference: "Our changes for tomorrow's game are we're bringing in John McGinn for Declan Rice, and John McGinn's massive arse for Soucek".
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
Are West Ham in the top six?
Yep. ;)
Only cos Man U have Fred in midfield...
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Yes we should definitely get rid of McGinn, who would get into any side in the top six other than Man City and is our player of the year two years running, and replace him with one of those mythical players who play brilliantly every week.
"Any side in the top six". Genuine lolz
I know, bloody hell! "Sorry Declan, you're on the bench this week, Super John McGinn is in your place to stick his arse into people, give the ball away a lot, and hand the opposition goal scoring opportunities."
Are West Ham in the top six?
Yep. ;)
Only cos Man U have Fred in midfield...
Stewart Lee ladies and gents
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I’ve got to go to work in Wolverhampton tomorrow morning, which is a depressing enough prospect as it is. Thanks lads, nice one.
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Yes, let's discredit goals in International Football just to suit an argument. How depressing.
So you think that goals against San Marino and the Faroes are proof of McGinn's quality?
No, I just think you are utterly miserable to knock a Villa player scoring for his country.
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Yes, let's discredit goals in International Football just to suit an argument. How depressing.
So you think that goals against San Marino and the Faroes are proof of McGinn's quality?
No, I just think you are utterly miserable to knock a Villa player scoring for his country.
I don't get this - you mentioned that his international scoring record is decent, Risso countered with the fact he tends to score against postmen-and-plumbers teams.
That's a valid point, surely?
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His form has been off all season, he even admitted so while he was with England in the week. His touch and his finishing has been off for some time. We’ve seen fleeting performances when you think he’s back to his old self but then the next match it’s been crap again.
Ollie on a good day is a very good team player. He makes space, create chances and holds it up well and scores goals. We haven’t seen that player hardly at all this season.
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Yes, let's discredit goals in International Football just to suit an argument. How depressing.
So you think that goals against San Marino and the Faroes are proof of McGinn's quality?
No, I just think you are utterly miserable to knock a Villa player scoring for his country.
I don't get this - you mentioned that his international scoring record is decent, Risso countered with the fact he tends to score against postmen-and-plumbers teams.
That's a valid point, surely?
I'm just thinking a Villa player scoring for his country is good thing. You'd have to be a massive massive grump to think otherwise.
Some people's like that
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I’ve got to go to work in Wolverhampton tomorrow morning, which is a depressing enough prospect as it is. Thanks lads, nice one.
Can't you work from home/court?
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I'm not sure working from court is the best way to avoid Wolves fans.
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If I was married to the Villa I'd be asking for a divorce about now. Nothing but misery and a waste of time, and money. Like any bad relationship, they're sucking the life out of me at the moment.
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I'm not sure working from court is the best way to avoid Wolves fans.
probably a prison guard
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I'm just thinking a Villa player scoring for his country is good thing. You'd have to be a massive massive grump to think otherwise.
Some people's like that
Where have I remotely said it's a bad thing? I hope that scoring for Scotland brings McGinn all the happiness in the world, but scoring against the minnows of world football doesn't translate into anything worthwhile Villa-wise, which is all I care about. Same goes for Mings. He's hardly put a foot wrong for England, but then the majority of the games are against absolute nobodies where even Maguire looks decent. As soon as he gets back to Villa, as if by magic, utterly dreadful against Wolves.
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I'm not sure working from court is the best way to avoid Wolves fans.
Post of the Post Match thread😂👏
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Lage said
“We put two men between Coutinho and the ball. They came to press, and every time, we found Joao (Moutinho) or Leander (Dendoncker) free to play. That was the plan, especially in the first half.
“The opposition manager on the bench didn’t have time to adapt or change. The first plan was that, and then after, it was about finding the best players to create solutions to score goals. We were comfortable to control the game with the ball.”
So unless the players didn’t listen to Gerrard it was down to him wasn’t it?
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Wolves fan at work has just said to me - that they did not play well but our defence is appalling.
Start of a good week being surrounded by Wolves fans and this guy has one of those Mexican masks, that they wear.
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Lage said
“We put two men between Coutinho and the ball. They came to press, and every time, we found Joao (Moutinho) or Leander (Dendoncker) free to play. That was the plan, especially in the first half.
“The opposition manager on the bench didn’t have time to adapt or change. The first plan was that, and then after, it was about finding the best players to create solutions to score goals. We were comfortable to control the game with the ball.”
So unless the players didn’t listen to Gerrard it was down to him wasn’t it?
I said in the match thread that Gerrard got schooled by Lage. He's got to learn and he needs to learn fast or it won't end well for him or us.
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Lage said
“We put two men between Coutinho and the ball. They came to press, and every time, we found Joao (Moutinho) or Leander (Dendoncker) free to play. That was the plan, especially in the first half.
“The opposition manager on the bench didn’t have time to adapt or change. The first plan was that, and then after, it was about finding the best players to create solutions to score goals. We were comfortable to control the game with the ball.”
So unless the players didn’t listen to Gerrard it was down to him wasn’t it?
Yes, cut off the supply route. Score, keep the ball. We had no answers.
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Lage said
“We put two men between Coutinho and the ball. They came to press, and every time, we found Joao (Moutinho) or Leander (Dendoncker) free to play. That was the plan, especially in the first half.
“The opposition manager on the bench didn’t have time to adapt or change. The first plan was that, and then after, it was about finding the best players to create solutions to score goals. We were comfortable to control the game with the ball.”
So unless the players didn’t listen to Gerrard it was down to him wasn’t it?
Yes, cut off the supply route. Score, keep the ball. We had no answers.
Lage vs Gerr'rd...Lage the winner!
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I'm not sure whether it sounds patronising or respectful, referring to Gerrard as "the oppositions manager on the bench"! Either way, I like Lage. His team don't score enough goals though, is that a hallmark of his managerial career.
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"then after, it was about finding the best players to create solutions to score goals".
Turned out it was Ashley Young.
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Wolves fan at work has just said to me - that they did not play well but our defence is appalling.
Start of a good week being surrounded by Wolves fans and this guy has one of those Mexican masks, that they wear.
What was the logic in dropping Luiz to play McGinn at 6 does anyone know? The back 5 that started are all proven performers at this level and with the exception of Digne/Young the other 4 should know their respective games inside out by now. Something badly amiss tactically without the ball.
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Wolves fan at work has just said to me - that they did not play well but our defence is appalling.
Start of a good week being surrounded by Wolves fans and this guy has one of those Mexican masks, that they wear.
What was the logic in dropping Luiz to play McGinn at 6 does anyone know? The back 5 that started are all proven performers at this level and with the exception of Digne/Young the other 4 should know their respective games inside out by now. Something badly amiss tactically without the ball.
I thought it was to do with the contract situation with Luiz - I am not sure where I heard that but someone said Gerrard said that
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He was quoted as saying he wanted to give Sanson a chance as he'd been doing well in training, so somebody had to drop out. Personally I'd probably have given JJ a rest, but none of McGinn, Ramsey or Luiz have really been undroppable of late.
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Something I noticed about Sanson was that he often beat a player with his skills but then turned back again as he seemed to lack either the pace, power or confidence to get away from the man he'd beat. JJ's form has dipped but he does give you that running power through midfield.
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How did Sanson go today?
I thought he played quite well; tidy, some good pressing and offered the most out of our midfield 3. Thought he was unlucky to be subbed.
thought he was our best midfielder. McGinn is good that deep - and Ramsey didnt get much of a chance to drive forward, seemed to be covering Young
Sanson got subbed right after cheaply giving the ball away, again…
If that the measure how he fuck does mcginn ever sta on past 10 minutes every game
Every configuration is based around mcginn being in there somewhere. How abut trying one without him ffs
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Something I noticed about Sanson was that he often beat a player with his skills but then turned back again as he seemed to lack either the pace, power or confidence to get away from the man he'd beat. JJ's form has dipped but he does give you that running power through midfield.
Ramsey also gives you more of a goal threat, often conjuring something out of nothing.
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Same old story.
Would help if our players could stay on two feet. Sort your bloody boots out if you're going to fall over all the time.
Gerrard needs to get a grip of the team and fast. Unacceptable garbage, if we can't get the team up for a local derby then what hope have we got. We've only got 45 minutes in us
Letting Targett go to Newcastle as I pointed out in January would be absolutely disastrous . Digne is looking like another big waste of money. A CDM was what was needed not a bloody left back.
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Yeah that quality French international who is miles better than any left back we’ve had in a long while. What a waste of money.
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Well i don't think we have to worry about SG leaving us in the lurch and going to Manage P l o p
Unless he turns it around in the last 8 games and gives us something positive to look forward to then he will start next year on a sticky wicket.
If he wants to rip the team up (which i do not disagree with too much) it will be another year of transition and a huge amount of money spent as you cannot make huge changes and expect everyone to gel immediately.
Maybe we will go the other way and he will do a MON and fill the team with older "named" players for a short term hit - he does keep mentioning "winning mentality"
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Left back who currently plays for the World Champions, a waste of money? How dare he get ill, it's a DISGRACE!
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Yeah that quality French international who is miles better than any left back we’ve had in a long while. What a waste of money.
Yep, the first choice left-back for the third-best team in the world. But he had to go off on Saturday because he had the shits, so he's a waste of money.
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Digne plays 3 or the last 6 games. We win 3, scoring 9 and conceding none. He effectively misses the last 3 via injury and illness. We lose all 3.
Digne out!
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Personally, I think you'd be suprised at how many big clubs would be in for him.
Hmm maybe this time last season, not so sure now. I don’t think he walks into any team above us at the moment
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Maybe we will go the other way and he will do a MON and fill the team with older "named" players for a short term hit - he does keep mentioning "winning mentality"
This is what concerns me a bit ....I'd like a happy medium .....and definitely not Suarez