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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on February 13, 2022, 11:33:39 AM
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19 Year old who Steven Gerrard has said is close for first team action deserves a thread now as been making the squads and bench
The defensive midfielder wasn't loaned out in winter window so perhaps soon we can see him get some minutes in our remaining games this season.
Gerrard:
"Tim is extremely close , he’s training really well and did well in the two friendlies we played behind closed doors.I know he’s ready but, the midfield area at the moment for us, I’m really pleased with it. It’s looking good, looking strong. Tim has to keep pushing and fighting.”
From Great Barr we took him off WBA and maybe in time be our defensive midfielder answer. High hopes again for this lad!
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I've never seen him play apart from a few clips, but have read lots of good thing about him. If the midfield (ie McGinn and Luiz) performs as badly as it did against Leeds, he can't be far away from making a debut.
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"I know he’s ready but, the midfield area at the moment for us, I’m really pleased with it. It’s looking good, looking strong."
First time I take exception to a Gerrard-statement so far. Our midfield is so inept defensively, and has been for so very long, it's criminal.
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"I know he’s ready but, the midfield area at the moment for us, I’m really pleased with it. It’s looking good, looking strong."
First time I take exception to a Gerrard-statement so far. Our midfield is so inept defensively, and has been for so very long, it's criminal.
OK Gareth
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Gerrard also said our exertions Wednesday night were through the roof and that he may need to make some changes for today's game. Might be a good time to throw him in, play him as a defensive midfielder and see if that helps the others look better like when Nakamba was playing.
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"I know he’s ready but, the midfield area at the moment for us, I’m really pleased with it. It’s looking good, looking strong."
He can't be thinking that right now.
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19 Year old who Steven Gerrard has said is close for first team action deserves a thread now as been making the squads and bench
The defensive midfielder wasn't loaned out in winter window so perhaps soon we can see him get some minutes in our remaining games this season.
Gerrard:
"Tim is extremely close , he’s training really well and did well in the two friendlies we played behind closed doors.I know he’s ready but, the midfield area at the moment for us, I’m really pleased with it. It’s looking good, looking strong. Tim has to keep pushing and fighting.”
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Ollie Ollie Ollie Oy Oy Oy ;D
Or maybe not >:(
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Tim Iroegbunam sounds like Alan Curbishley trying to pronounce "Birmingham". ;D
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He might get a game next week
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Gerrard also said our exertions Wednesday night were through the roof and that he may need to make some changes for today's game. Might be a good time to throw him in, play him as a defensive midfielder and see if that helps the others look better like when Nakamba was playing.
Instead he plays hapless Meatball and Luiz again. Fuck off with favourites !
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He might get a game next week
Who Alan Curbishley ?
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Gerrard also said our exertions Wednesday night were through the roof and that he may need to make some changes for today's game. Might be a good time to throw him in, play him as a defensive midfielder and see if that helps the others look better like when Nakamba was playing.
Instead he plays hapless Meatball and Luiz again. Fuck off with favourites !
Quite right. He needs to show his metal now and use the squad and rest said favourites.
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Well Gerrard has said he’ll make changes. Needs to start with McGinn and Luiz.
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He might get a game next week
Who Alan Curbishley ?
you don’t hear about him much anymore do you ?
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Tim Iroegbunam and Sanson to start . Drop Luiz and JM
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He might get a game next week
Who Alan Curbishley ?
you don’t hear about him much anymore do you ?
He's stuck in a real-time nightmare like Tom Hanks character in The Terminal, he's been trying to get to 'Birmingham' for 10 years but nobody can understand him.
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Burrminn'am
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He might get a game next week
Who Alan Curbishley ?
you don’t hear about him much anymore do you ?
He's stuck in a real-time nightmare like Tom Hanks character in The Terminal, he's been trying to get to 'Birmingham' for 10 years but nobody can understand him.
His career shows why Smith was probably correct to jump straight back in with Norwich. You can be picky and wait a couple of years for the right job, and then all of a sudden you're forgotten. Far worse managers than him like Bruce are perpetually on the managerial gravy train.
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It's true that once you become a manager it's easier to get another job than be out of work, but if you do take your time returning you can find that the train has moved on. O'Leary was the same; after leaving us he waited so long for the Real Madrid job to come up that he could only get work in the Gulf.
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It's true that once you become a manager it's easier to get another job than be out of work, but if you do take your time returning you can find that the train has moved on. O'Leary was the same; after leaving us he waited so long for the Real Madrid job to come up that he could only get work in the Gulf.
Frank Clark was another one who seemed to do quite well then disappeared.
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Bruce Rioch?
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It's true that once you become a manager it's easier to get another job than be out of work, but if you do take your time returning you can find that the train has moved on. O'Leary was the same; after leaving us he waited so long for the Real Madrid job to come up that he could only get work in the Gulf.
Did he end up on the tills or forecourt?
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Ha! Got sacked for being caught calling the customers fickle sugarbags.
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Bruce Rioch?
The best manager we never had.
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Tim Iroegbunam and Sanson to start . Drop Luiz and JM
Martinez
Young
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Iroegbunam
McGinn
Coutinho
Buendia
Ings
Ramsey
Coutinho middle 3.
Sanson seems to be getting the Gilbert treatment we can't expect he'll be a go to guy for Gerrard based on how football managers work
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He's not going to play Coutinho in midfield.
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It's true that once you become a manager it's easier to get another job than be out of work, but if you do take your time returning you can find that the train has moved on. O'Leary was the same; after leaving us he waited so long for the Real Madrid job to come up that he could only get work in the Gulf.
I read an article a number of years back that said that David O'Leary was desperate to get the Republic Of Ireland job at some point and had spent a lot of time over the years schmoozing the bigwigs at the Republic Of Ireland Football Association. But unfortunately for O'Leary the article also claimed that his attempts to curry favour would fall on deaf ears as the powers that be at the FAI were not fans of his at all.
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Has Tim given any interviews to Pravda or whatever? I don't know what he looks like, what type of player he is, how the cat comes across etc. We need to know him.
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It's true that once you become a manager it's easier to get another job than be out of work, but if you do take your time returning you can find that the train has moved on. O'Leary was the same; after leaving us he waited so long for the Real Madrid job to come up that he could only get work in the Gulf.
I read an article a number of years back that said that David O'Leary was desperate to get the Republic Of Ireland job at some point and had spent a lot of time over the years schmoozing the bigwigs at the Republic Of Ireland Football Association. But unfortunately for O'Leary the article also claimed that his attempts to curry favour would fall on deaf ears as the powers that be at the FAI were not fans of his at all.
There was that - really good - Jack Charlton documentary where Jack was REALLY reluctant to pick O’leary, and only did so after injury or something outside his control. You’ve got to wonder why good people consistently avoid him.
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It's true that once you become a manager it's easier to get another job than be out of work, but if you do take your time returning you can find that the train has moved on. O'Leary was the same; after leaving us he waited so long for the Real Madrid job to come up that he could only get work in the Gulf.
I read an article a number of years back that said that David O'Leary was desperate to get the Republic Of Ireland job at some point and had spent a lot of time over the years schmoozing the bigwigs at the Republic Of Ireland Football Association. But unfortunately for O'Leary the article also claimed that his attempts to curry favour would fall on deaf ears as the powers that be at the FAI were not fans of his at all.
I had it on good authority that he was generally disliked by everyone in the game.
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I hope he likes to get stuck in.
F**k 'em up, Iroegbunam
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He's not going to play Coutinho in midfield.
Ever.
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Has Tim given any interviews to Pravda or whatever? I don't know what he looks like, what type of player he is, how the cat comes across etc. We need to know him.
Defensive Midfielder (praise the lord). Has supposedly been out most consistently good youngster in the reserves.
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Has Tim given any interviews to Pravda or whatever? I don't know what he looks like, what type of player he is, how the cat comes across etc. We need to know him.
Defensive Midfielder (praise the lord). Has supposedly been out most consistently good youngster in the reserves.
Holding on to the hope that the REAL reason we've not signed a big name DM is that Tim Iroegbunam is about to burst in the scene and eclipse Ndidi, Kanye, etc.
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Good luck to him if he starts today. If it's Ashley Young instead I'm going to be a bit disappointed.
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He's not going to play Coutinho in midfield.
Ever.
Or in goal.
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Has Tim given any interviews to Pravda or whatever? I don't know what he looks like, what type of player he is, how the cat comes across etc. We need to know him.
Defensive Midfielder (praise the lord). Has supposedly been out most consistently good youngster in the reserves.
Holding on to the hope that the REAL reason we've not signed a big name DM is that Tim Iroegbunam is about to burst in the scene and eclipse Ndidi, Kanye, etc.
I meant Kante, but if he can eclipse Kanye too that'll really take the wind out of the sails of Wolves' record label.
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I hope he likes to get stuck in.
F**k 'em up, Iroegbunam
Yeah, F** 'em off.
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If he does make his debut I just hope it goes better than Ugo’s - against Norwich- did!
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If he does make his debut I just hope it goes better than Ugo’s - against Norwich- did!
or Lee Hendries at QPR
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I hope it's as good as Dean Saunders' debut against Liverpool.
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I hope it's as good as Dean Saunders' debut against Liverpool.
or Dion v Spuds.
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I hope it's as good as Dean Saunders' debut against Liverpool.
or Dion v Spuds.
I'll settle for a Stainrod.
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Carbone v Wimbledon.
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Good luck to him if he starts today. If it's Ashley Young instead I'm going to be a bit disappointed.
Yes same here but it will be Young in the next match if we lose.
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Tim is a tall CM and can play the 6 or 8 role. Probably better at 8. A good shot from distance, and moves really well with the ball. He has a good touch and is able to pick a pass. I liked him as he had a bit of an edge, not a nasty streak, but would take a yellow card without worry. He won't be phased by playing first team football.
Last year he was WBA Academy PoY by a distance.
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Does no fucker want to play the "6" role anymore?! Swear to God, all these young players want to be attack-minded just like when you played footy at school.
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Tim is a tall CM and can play the 6 or 8 role. Probably better at 8. A good shot from distance, and moves really well with the ball. He has a good touch and is able to pick a pass. I liked him as he had a bit of an edge, not a nasty streak, but would take a yellow card without worry. He won't be phased by playing first team football.
Last year he was WBA Academy PoY by a distance.
All looking good until the final sentence, then dammed by feint praise.
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Does no fucker want to play the "6" role anymore?! Swear to God, all these young players want to be attack-minded just like when you played footy at school.
goal hangers
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What's the heritage of his surname out of interest.....we're going to be a comms nightmare in a few years if him and Carney become mainstays of our midfield.
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What's the heritage of his surname out of interest.....we're going to be a comms nightmare in a few years if him and Carney become mainstays of our midfield.
Nigerian I think. It might open up the possibility of some good songs.
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Carbone v Wimbledon.
Best one I’ve seen
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What's the heritage of his surname out of interest.....we're going to be a comms nightmare in a few years if him and Carney become mainstays of our midfield.
I've just about got Chukwuemeka sorted. I'm still lost with spelling and pronouncing this lad's name.
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I do hope this kid is good
I remember when Isiah Osbourne was all hyped up to be the next big thing....
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I vividly remember winning 0-1 at Everton and Osbourne running the show....... Then falling off the face of the Earth.
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I’d be amazed if Tim was thrown in as a starter without some sub appearances first.
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I vividly remember winning 0-1 at Everton and Osbourne running the show....... Then falling off the face of the Earth.
Crossed for a Chris Sutton header that won the game. Then he nearly went blind before becoming the resident grump on 5Live (Sutton, that is. Haven't a clue what happened to Osbourne).
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Osbourne ended up at Walsall I think
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Tim was sent off tonight, how does that effect him for Saturday
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Tim was sent off tonight, how does that effect him for Saturday
Still got fresh legs
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Tim is a tall CM and can play the 6 or 8 role. Probably better at 8. A good shot from distance, and moves really well with the ball. He has a good touch and is able to pick a pass. I liked him as he had a bit of an edge, not a nasty streak, but would take a yellow card without worry. He won't be phased by playing first team football.
Last year he was WBA Academy PoY by a distance.
All looking good until the final sentence, then dammed by feint praise.
Famous last words, his touch was atrocious which led to him tripping the lad and getting a second yellow, the ref didn't need to give him a second yellow as it was virtually the last kick of the game but the Norwich players were hassling him so he gave in, another soft as shit referee!
Anyway he has potential but nowhere near first team yet!
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Tim was sent off tonight, how does that effect him for Saturday
Still got fresh legs
After that limp pile of shite I witnessed on Saturday, it would make him first name on my teamsheet.
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I hope he likes to get stuck in.
F**k 'em up, Iroegbunam
Yeah, F** 'em off.
There's a whole other world of deabte to be had here, and I did think twice before posting that. I used to sing "F**k 'em up" but I know others disagree.
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We've had this debate before. Fuck Em up is of course correct.
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We've had this debate before. Fuck Em up is of course correct.
F88K off ... ;D
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I hope he likes to get stuck in.
F**k 'em up, Iroegbunam
Yeah, F** 'em off.
There's a whole other world of deabte to be had here, and I did think twice before posting that. I used to sing "F**k 'em up" but I know others disagree.
I can't believe anyone thinks it wasn't 'fuck 'em up'
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He has still got my goldfish.
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Osbourne ended up at Walsall I think
Think he was at Hibs for quite a while too
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Osbourne was at Nuneaton pre Covid
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Great to see Iroegbunam get on today felt he looked comformable out there.
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Great to see Iroegbunam get on today felt he looked comformable out there.
Agreed, could have been a pressurised situation for him but I thought he looked really good. More impressed with him than I have been with Chukwuemeka anyway.
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Great to see Iroegbunam get on today felt he looked comformable out there.
Agreed, could have been a pressurised situation for him but I thought he looked really good. More impressed with him than I have been with Chukwuemeka anyway.
Noticeable the positions he took up, too. Although he didn't get the ball that often during his cameo, he was very much in the holding midfielder position, looking to take the ball from the defenders even when under pressure. His control, touch and pass to release Sanson down the right on 88 minutes was very good - relieved the pressure, and showed he's willing to play a bit when he can. A promising first appearance, but really didn't get to show too much of what he can do.
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Great to see Iroegbunam get on today felt he looked comformable out there.
Agreed, could have been a pressurised situation for him but I thought he looked really good. More impressed with him than I have been with Chukwuemeka anyway.
CC vs Spurs was a joy though end of last season he was very catching
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Yep, hit the post at Tottenham with one of his first touches. Too early to judge either.
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He looked quite composed when he came on. Kept it nice and simple. Good to see.
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It was a nice cameo, I’d like to see more of him. He had that look of a player who isn’t rushed on the ball, like when he picked it up with two Brighton players near him but had the awareness to pause for a second as they backed off, giving him space to play the ball down the line.
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Looked competent, was nice to see him make those tidy, short passes late to help chew up some time, his movement looked good. Given Europe’s out of the question, he’s an element that keeps the rest of the season interesting, just to see how he progresses. Perhaps a start at some point isn’t too far off.
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He looked good when he came on a few nice touches keeping it simple.
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Signed a new 5 year deal today & called up for England U20. Looking forward to seeing him in the first team soon.
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Pertty sure this will catch on...
https://twitter.com/ALife1874/status/1504540374047592456?s=20&t=7aQh91nCwECeBebeN5jnzg
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I’m really looking forward to seeing this lad play. He might save us a few quid in the transfer market
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I mean, a five-year contract is a pretty big commitment on our part - I'm sure it's not stupid money, and that there are plenty of automatic wage increases built-in for meeting certain milestones, but I think it's a good sign that Gerrard really fancies him. Now he's made this commitment, I do wonder at what point he'll find himself ahead of Chuk Jnr when it comes to options from the bench.
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The length of contract shows the club really rate this young chap.
I wonder if he’ll start getting more game time now?
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I hope he gets a few games between now and the end of the season. Clearly, they have some faith in him for a 5 year deal.
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Jesus...who is the last teen we handed out a 5 year deal to, Luke Moore? Hope Tim isn't crap and we're left stuck with him. Seriously though encouraging news!
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Jesus...who is the last teen we handed out a 5 year deal to, Luke Moore?
Kaine Kessler-Hayden.
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For fuck sake, throw Tim in and give him a few games. We have nothing to lose, we are not going to be relegated. He has to be worth a go.
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For fuck sake, throw Tim in and give him a few games. We have nothing to lose, we are not going to be relegated. He has to be worth a go.
From what I’ve read he is a DCM, so yes, we are not risking much by giving him some games, especially with marvellous out and a new player likely in the summer. This window of games could be vital for his career.
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Alternatively it could kill his confidence and confuse him.
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Yes it might, but at least then we know he is not ready and a season loan would be most beneficial next season.
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I think we're going about it the right way. Ease him in to the first team, no pressure really to put in performances just yet. The whole "if you're good enough, you're old enough" thing works both ways - if you're starting games and not doing the business, you have to be open to a bollocking - and I'd imagine that's maybe not what you'd want for a young lad who's still building their self-confidence. For me that's one of the big benefits of sending players out on loan - they get experience and as importantly can be a bit more open to criticism precisely because you expect them to be 1-2 levels above the players around them in terms of raw skill, so it's easier for them to build/maintain confidence.
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Just don't understand why young players like Tim don't get some game-time when we're four-up against the Saints after an hour, and three-up at Leeds with over twenty minutes to go.
To me, it just seems so obvious what Gerrard should do.
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Just don't understand why young players like Tim don't get some game-time when we're four-up against the Saints after an hour, and three-up at Leeds with over twenty minutes to go.
To me, it just seems so obvious what Gerrard should do.
Because fear of losing outweighs the thought of winning or blooding new players
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Over to Gerrard, then!
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Just don't understand why young players like Tim don't get some game-time when we're four-up against the Saints after an hour, and three-up at Leeds with over twenty minutes to go.
To me, it just seems so obvious what Gerrard should do.
I said that after the Leeds win. Three up and cruising and he puts Ashley Young on.
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Just don't understand why young players like Tim don't get some game-time when we're four-up against the Saints after an hour, and three-up at Leeds with over twenty minutes to go.
To me, it just seems so obvious what Gerrard should do.
I said that after the Leeds win. Three up and cruising and he puts Ashley Young on.
Yeah - I also think he makes it unneccassary hard for himself (SG that is). If we lose some of these players cos they get offered first team football elsewhere, its would fuck people off.
That said, we handled Jacob perfectly, and seemed to be doing the same with Carney until recently (which possibly links with the contract issues).
To be fair, our cup draws this year were shit, so there werent many opportunities there
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Is this kid (and his new contract), the reason why we will not spend big on an appropriate DM?
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No, he has confirmed we bid for Bissouma in January.
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Thought he looked assured enough today. And I did not realize how big he is! I have liked what I have seen in his cameos.
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Have agree, he looked the part, was tidy in the ball
and got stuck in. Nice cameo.
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Thought he looked assured enough today. And I did not realize how big he is! I have liked what I have seen in his cameos.
Yep, he's certainly a unit but gets around the pitch well. I thought he looked excellent. If you didn't know he was a babby you'd wonder why he hadn't started in place of Luiz.
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Great to see him come on today, didn’t look out of place at all and bought energy to the game. Should be played more often
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I like him, he's a bit raw still so needs another 12-18months of getting the odd appearance like today but if we manage him well I can see him being a very good player.
If Chuk stays I can see a time in a couple of years where we play a midfield diamond of all academy kids with those 2 and the Ramseys, I think all 4 have the ability to make it with us.
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Not forgetting Cam Archer up front.
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Not forgetting Cam Archer up front.
Indeed, and Kessler-Hayden at right back (who I think might be the best of the lot).
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Having that many home-grown players in the first team could catapult us forward as a club. Five or six squad-players would cost £100m nowadays so that can be spent on one world class player.
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I like what I see.
Good solid performance; can tackle, carry and pass the ball - what's not to like?
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…what's not to like?
His surname is difficult to pronounce.
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…what's not to like?
His surname is difficult to pronounce.
When discussing him with my Dad I simply refer to him as the 'West Brom fella'.
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Hopefully Tim and the other promising players get starts for the remainder of the season.
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…what's not to like?
His surname is difficult to pronounce.
Ha, good point!
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…what's not to like?
His surname is difficult to pronounce.
When discussing him with my Dad I simply refer to him as the 'West Brom fella'.
Bunch of us are trying to get this chant going for him. Mostly to help us remember how it's pronounced.
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I like what I see of Big Tim and hope he can't get some more minutes in the run in now.
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Looks ready to start for me. Very good performance yesterday in the time he had. Did all the things a dominant, ball playing, CDM should do. All the things that we have missed for years.
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Looks very accomplished for a kid.
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Let’s hope we see more of these kids very soon - based on the evidence they can’t do much worse than the 1st team selected recently and probably would go much better.
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Should nick name him Soho Road, as like that street, he's the only good thing to come out of West Brom in a while.
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He played well when he came on.
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We should cal him Tiny.
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If he's ahead of Chuk in the pecking order now does that mean it's over for us and Carney?
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If he's ahead of Chuk in the pecking order now does that mean it's over for us and Carney?
Different positions really. Tim is more defensive.
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Sure but Chuk's physicality and ability to keep the ball/win free kicks have been hallmarks of his cameos; skills which seemed ideal for yesterday when we we looked happy to keep a clean sheet above all.
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Isn't Wee Tim a couple of years older than Chuk?
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No, he's about four months older.
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Gerrard's words on Iroegbunam in his post-match interview on Pravda were interesting. "It's only a matter of time before he becomes a regular in this team. Villa have a good player on their hands".
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No, he's about four months older.
Ah bollox, maybe Chuk is one of those players, like Lee Hendrie, where I just assume he's about 18 for the entire time he plays for Villa.
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He just looks quality. Big, strong, quick and gets around the pitch well. I'd love to see him get a start against Norwich, but if Luiz or McGinn are dropped I suspect it will be for Marv.
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He just looks quality. Big, strong, quick and gets around the pitch well. I'd love to see him get a start against Norwich, but if Luiz or McGinn are dropped I suspect it will be for Marv.
Didn’t Gerrard make some comments post match that Nakamba was still some way of being ready to start a game?
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Gerrard's words on Iroegbunam in his post-match interview on Pravda were interesting. "It's only a matter of time before he becomes a regular in this team. Villa have a good player on their hands".
I've heard on interview that Gerrard say TI is not far away from being a regular starter. Prepare for next season now and give him plenty of game time.
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Agreed, I'd plonk him in behind McGinn and Ramsey. Start him, if he fades or tires we've got Marv back to come on.
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Gerrard's words on Iroegbunam in his post-match interview on Pravda were interesting. "It's only a matter of time before he becomes a regular in this team. Villa have a good player on their hands".
I've heard on interview that Gerrard say TI is not far away from being a regular starter. Prepare for next season now and give him plenty of game time.
A couple of if's in this but if we get a goal or 2 in front tomorrow I'd bring him on as early as possible. If we go on to win the game I'd start him for the rest of the games this season. That would give him a decent run of matches to find his form, give him 2 really difficult fixtures against 2 of the best teams in the world and give him a couple of games against the dirtiest team he'll face in this league. It's a bit of a baptism of fire but would be at a time when there's no great pressure. I'd try to give game time to a few others as well.
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I think Gerrard's absolute priority will be to get some results between now and the end of the season. Unfortunately I don't think we'll see many changes in line up between now and then. I'd expect the back four and Luiz, McGinn and Ramsey to start all our remaining fixtures. Infact I think Watkins & Coutinho probably will as well. I suspect the only fluid position will be the third forward (Bailey / Buendia / Ings).
It's a bit uninspiring tbh, but I can see why he will go safety first as he knows there will be pressure if we don't get some wins.
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I’m going to stick my neck out here.
I’ve a feeling Iroegbunam will start vrs Norwich.
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I’m going to stick my neck out here.
I’ve a feeling Iroegbunam will start vrs Norwich.
He did and he played very well. Raw but fantastic attributes
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Wasn’t afraid to get stuck in, put a good shift in and broke play up well. Another very promising young player we have on our hands, very decent debut IMO
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Can anybody think of any other Tims who've played for us?
I'm struggling.
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Can anybody think of any other Tims who've played for us?
I'm struggling.
Tim Carroll? Did he play for us, or am I making it up
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Can anybody think of any other Tims who've played for us?
I'm struggling.
Just a manager who is best forgotten.
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Can anybody think of any other Tims who've played for us?
I'm struggling.
Tim Carroll? Did he play for us, or am I making it up
Tom Carroll
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He was so so for me. Some good, some poor. A big opportunity to learn though and take some confidence. Needs a loan.
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He made a few mistakes early on, but what impressed me the most is he addressed them, grew in confidence, and finished his game stronger than when he started.
Early days I know, but he seems as good in the tackle as Marvellous and is slightly more composed with the ball, and with the ability to pick a decent pass, (after his earlier mishaps).
For those that have seen him play for the youth's - is he a consistent performer, or hot and cold?
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Needs to go out on loan to learn the game in front of a crowd
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Needs to go out on loan to learn the game in front of a crowd
Or perhaps stay here and enjoy being back up to whoever we have lined up to come in. I vote he stays.
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Needs to go out on loan to learn the game in front of a crowd
Didn't he do that today?
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He’ll be very good in a couple of years. That position needs a bit of nous, which he will develop with experience. A year battling it out in the championship would do him wonders.
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Looks a superb athlete however current a bit naive and over enthusiastic. Hopefully he will learn fast and become a great CM player.
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I wonder if yesterday was a bit of a reward for signing his new contract recently too. Chuck seems to have seen less first team action since he's been messing around over his contract so maybe Gerrard wanted to send a message about commitment to the kids.
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I wonder if yesterday was a bit of a reward for signing his new contract recently too. Chuck seems to have seen less first team action since he's been messing around over his contract so maybe Gerrard wanted to send a message about commitment to the kids.
That could have played a part. I just think that he's a genuinely very good player though. He didn't look out of place at all yesterday.
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Looks like an excellent prospect.
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Tim is a tall CM and can play the 6 or 8 role. Probably better at 8. A good shot from distance, and moves really well with the ball. He has a good touch and is able to pick a pass. I liked him as he had a bit of an edge, not a nasty streak, but would take a yellow card without worry. He won't be phased by playing first team football.
Last year he was WBA Academy PoY by a distance.
I said he was a decent player. I'm chuffed for him.
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Needs to go out on loan to learn the game in front of a crowd
Didn't he do that today?
I can't see him being given too much game time at the Villa right now. Gerrard was obviously checking and examining how much of an influence he could be. A bit daft if you ask me, you need an old head beside you when making your debut at senior level. Didn't help with a referee who was card happy.
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Playing against a poor team as good as relegated was the prefect time to give him a start. He did ok, nothing more.
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Playing against a poor team as good as relegated was the prefect time to give him a start. He did ok, nothing more.
For an 18 year old kid making his full Premier League debut, I thought he was bloody marvellous. Quick, tough and determined.
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Playing against a poor team as good as relegated was the prefect time to give him a start. He did ok, nothing more.
For an 18 year old kid making his full Premier League debut, I thought he was bloody marvellous. Quick, tough and determined.
Jeeze is he only 18?
I thought he was okay, solid, but that’s impressive given he’s 18. He demonstrated how much we’ve missed a player that is happy to sit and tackle. After a loan you’d hope he’d be better at demanding the ball off the CBs and helping us break the press.
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Depends what we do in the summer.
He seems to have leapt above Nakamba in the pecking order which is interesting considering everyone was pining for Marvellous return so perhaps he could be backup to the new DM in the summer but I think it's just a case of us having some dead rubbers and Gerrard just testing him out.
I think we'll loan him out start of next season otherwise he'll just be warming the bench and getting the odd sub cameo whereas starting 20 + games could really kick him on as we've seen with other players out on loan this season.
First half he gave the ball away a few times which a better team would've exposed but when we were sitting on the lead he did fine so that probably shows where he is currently and we're slowly bring him in which is the correct way.
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Naka may still not be match-fit, so I wouldn't take it as a given that Tim has leapfrogged him. I'd keep Marv as back-up to a summer signing and get Tim loaned-out to a decent Ch'ship side like Preston whose manager had a good relationship with Gerrard.
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Naka may still not be match-fit, so I wouldn't take it as a given that Tim has leapfrogged him. I'd keep Marv as back-up to a summer signing and get Tim loaned-out to a decent Ch'ship side like Preston whose manager had a good relationship with Gerrard.
BINGO. Exactly how I see it.
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Naka may still not be match-fit, so I wouldn't take it as a given that Tim has leapfrogged him. I'd keep Marv as back-up to a summer signing and get Tim loaned-out to a decent Ch'ship side like Preston whose manager had a good relationship with Gerrard.
Or back to Albion 😎. Sorry, you said decent championship team.
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Played well again last night although the yellow card hampered his game a little. Has played really well in both games so far.
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Naka may still not be match-fit, so I wouldn't take it as a given that Tim has leapfrogged him. I'd keep Marv as back-up to a summer signing and get Tim loaned-out to a decent Ch'ship side like Preston whose manager had a good relationship with Gerrard.
I would not want any of our young uns any where near that Shit bag Bruce. Apart from adjusting socks and sleeves they would learn bugger all
Or back to Albion 😎. Sorry, you said decent championship team.
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Rumours of him going on loan to QPR.
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Rumours of him going on loan to QPR.
Potentially a good move for half a season, as long as they pick him. Beale knows what he's getting and that is helpful.
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Will be a few linked to QPR now that Michael Beale is the manager
A loan will be the best thing for him, get some games under his belt
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I don't reckon Iroegbunam will go on loan, Gerrard clearly thinks he's ready, having used him a few times last year.
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Will be a few linked to QPR now that Michael Beale is the manager
A loan will be the best thing for him, get some games under his belt
Wouldn't shock me if Kesler went to QPR. Feels the right fit given his two loans last year.
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Is Uncle Albert still at QPR? Maybe the Jedinator could work on loaning his old mucker back to us and he can teach Traore and Bailey some wingplay.
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Thought Timothy had a really good game when he came on tonight.
Had to laugh at the Albion fans who had brought their flag with them. I wonder what they thought about Tim and the fact that two DVBs scored important goals?
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Thought Timothy had a really good game when he came on tonight.
Had to laugh at the Albion fans who had brought their flag with them. I wonder what they thought about Tim and the fact that two DVBs scored important goals?
Albion fan "pass me the sick bucket"
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Rumours of him going on loan to QPR.
QPR have now agreed a deal to sign midfielder Tim Iroegbunam on loan.
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Happy to have another club giving him game time and developing him. No point getting splinters here, especially with Dendonker imminent.
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QPR will probably pass us on the way up!
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QPR will probably pass us on the way up!
Sadly not impossible
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I think, like JJ a couple of years ago, that he's looked comfortable and alongside Archer the most likely to break through this season but that won't be happening now. I can't see this as a positive in any way.
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I'm disappointed tbh we have too many out on loan now.
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No youngsters coming through (except maybe Cam), as they've all been shifted out on loan and Ramsey appearing to regress says a lot about the focus of the current manager regarding young prospects under him.
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I think it's a good move, will be interesting to see how he gets on. Hopefully gets a lot of game time, much more than he would've got here.
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When we are where we are we cannot throw kids in - let him get serious game time and come back next season pushing
It is clear the club really fancy this kid
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If we are unable to buy in the talent to push us on then we need to be maximizing the talent that we are developing That means we need to be exposing them to first team football.
But instead we are filling up the squad with 27+ year olds.
We have no strategy.
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If we are unable to buy in the talent to push us on then we need to be maximizing the talent that we are developing That means we need to be exposing them to first team football.
But instead we are filling up the squad with 27+ year olds.
We have no strategy.
Unless loaning them out for a year or 2 to 'expose them to first team football' is the strategy. If we are relying on these kids breaking through over the next 2-3 years then signing older players for the short term makes sense.
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Been confirmed as gone.
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More stupidity from the club. He should be in the team. I hope Cameron Archer has his phone turned off.
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No Tim, if Doug goes too we may need to tell Sanson to turn back from BHX.
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Could be a good loan for Tim, hope he gets some first team game time as I don't think he would have got much under Gerrard.
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Crikey, is anyone left to play midfield?
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With up to five subs now allowed i would have thought more sense to keep Tim here rather than Gerrard doing his mate Beale a favour There again the longer i see how Gerrard manages the club the less i understand the way the club is being run
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Aston Villa can confirm Tim Iroegbunam has joined Queens Park Rangers on a season-long loan.
The midfielder heads to Loftus Road for the 2022/23 campaign after enjoying a breakthrough into the first-team ranks last term, making his senior debut against Brighton & Hove Albion in February 2022.
In July, he was part of the England team who won the Under-19 European Championship.
Good luck, Tim!
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With up to five subs now allowed i would have thought more sense to keep Tim here rather than Gerrard doing his mate Beale a favour There again the longer i see how Gerrard manages the club the less i understand the way the club is being run
Its Steven Gerrard's Aston Villa, keep up
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Absolutely fucking brainless.
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What???
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Well the good news is no rumour of Cam getting a loan
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I think Gerrard is asking for the sack with these brainless decisions. A pathetic effort in this window, so many good young prospects bombed out on loan. I predict he'll be gone inside two weeks......
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Absolute loony tunes!
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I think Gerrard is asking for the sack with these brainless decisions. A pathetic effort in this window, so many good young prospects bombed out on loan. I predict he'll be gone inside two weeks......
You really think he's making them? Dud you see his interview last night? There only two pathetic making these brainless decisions
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Given what we've invested in the youth system and the recruitment we've been doing at that level, i'd have thought part of the remit when interviewing Gerrard would have been about bringing young players through into the first team. Which isn't happening.
On the plus side, they aren't being submitted to his coaching and management, so will probably end up much better players for that.
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All young players go out on loan though at some point. It may I suppose been better to keep him around the squad until January but like I said, it will do him good.
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Does Gerrard actually realise that it's 5 subs allowed this season? Dumb idiot!
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The right decision for me. Behind Kamara and Marv, if Dendonker comes too, then he's unlikely to be playing significant time. Far better for him to play a significant chunk in a Championship side. Young players need minutes.
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The right decision for me. Behind Kamara and Marv, if Dendonker comes too, then he's unlikely to be playing significant time. Far better for him to play a significant chunk in a Championship side. Young players need minutes.
I sort of agree, but if we sell Luiz and don't replace him then these 2 outs will leave us short in midfield.
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Yep, letting Tim go is crazy, unless a replacement is in place to allow Dougie to go, which I’m sure that will be wrapped up soon.
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If we are unable to buy in the talent to push us on then we need to be maximizing the talent that we are developing That means we need to be exposing them to first team football.
But instead we are filling up the squad with 27+ year olds.
We have no strategy.
Unless loaning them out for a year or 2 to 'expose them to first team football' is the strategy. If we are relying on these kids breaking through over the next 2-3 years then signing older players for the short term makes sense.
it doesn’t if the players we are playing are not as good as the ones we are sending out on loan.
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If we are unable to buy in the talent to push us on then we need to be maximizing the talent that we are developing That means we need to be exposing them to first team football.
But instead we are filling up the squad with 27+ year olds.
We have no strategy.
Unless loaning them out for a year or 2 to 'expose them to first team football' is the strategy. If we are relying on these kids breaking through over the next 2-3 years then signing older players for the short term makes sense.
it doesn’t if the players we are playing are not as good as the ones we are sending out on loan.
So who that will be playing is 100% definitely worse than a completely inexperienced kid with a couple of games of senior football to his name? I could assume you mean the 29 cap Belgian international we've just signed but that would be pretty silly so there must be someone else.
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If we are unable to buy in the talent to push us on then we need to be maximizing the talent that we are developing That means we need to be exposing them to first team football.
But instead we are filling up the squad with 27+ year olds.
We have no strategy.
Unless loaning them out for a year or 2 to 'expose them to first team football' is the strategy. If we are relying on these kids breaking through over the next 2-3 years then signing older players for the short term makes sense.
it doesn’t if the players we are playing are not as good as the ones we are sending out on loan.
So who that will be playing is 100% definitely worse than a completely inexperienced kid with a couple of games of senior football to his name? I could assume you mean the 29 cap Belgian international we've just signed but that would be pretty silly so there must be someone else.
So you don’t think KKH could be an alternative to Cash, that Tim an alternative to Mcginn and Archer an alternative to Ings?
If you don’t then I can’t help you.
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Very astute. Let Beale train and develop him. Could be a 20 million plus player in six months. Imagine if Beale’s QPR go up with Tim playing an integral part.
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Very astute. Let Beale train and develop him. Could be a 20 million plus player in six months. Imagine if Beale’s QPR go up with Tim playing an integral part.
I don’t care if he is a 10 or 20 mil player I care about getting the best out of our resources.
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Very astute. Let Beale train and develop him. Could be a 20 million plus player in six months. Imagine if Beale’s QPR go up with Tim playing an integral part.
I don’t care if he is a 10 or 20 mil player I care about getting the best out of our resources.
Seems sensible to me. He looks promising, but doesn’t look absolutely must be starting now (at least to me). So giving him a chance to play more first team football makes sense.
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Yep, I don't have an issue with this. He was always likely to be on the fringes this season. Playing in one of the better sides in one of the most competitive divisions in the world will be great experience for him.
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Very astute. Let Beale train and develop him. Could be a 20 million plus player in six months. Imagine if Beale’s QPR go up with Tim playing an integral part.
I don’t care if he is a 10 or 20 mil player I care about getting the best out of our resources.
Yes, that would be this deal!!
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Good luck to him.
He’ll start more matches there than here at the moment and the experience will do him good.
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Very astute. Let Beale train and develop him. Could be a 20 million plus player in six months. Imagine if Beale’s QPR go up with Tim playing an integral part.
I don’t care if he is a 10 or 20 mil player I care about getting the best out of our resources.
Yes, that would be this deal!!
The price of everything, the value of nothing ,
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Maybe as there's nobody in for Nakamba we're letting Iroegbunam out to get game time whilst we keep Marv as back up?
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Very astute. Let Beale train and develop him. Could be a 20 million plus player in six months. Imagine if Beale’s QPR go up with Tim playing an integral part.
I don’t care if he is a 10 or 20 mil player I care about getting the best out of our resources.
Yes, that would be this deal!!
The price of everything, the value of nothing ,
Au contraire, the value IS serving under Beale’s tutelage, more so than his value going up. A great opportunity for him personally and for Aston Villa.
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Good move for him as long as he plays regularly. We should get a good indication of how good he is at another team’s risk.
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Came on as a sub yesterday.
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It's good he's gone somewhere where the manger knows him already.
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Tim got 20 minutes at the end of QPR's 1-0 defeat at Swansea on Saturday - Swansea had already taken the lead when he came on.
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Watching QPR v Reading.
Tim Iroegbunam playing for QPR.
Gonna be a baller.
Selling Chucky was the right move.
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What’s a baller ?
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What’s a baller ?
a good footballer say the youngsters
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The term isn't reserved exclusively for footballers, as I'm sure Skee-Lo would agree
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Just one game (and it was on tv) but an impression:
QPR seem to be better organised and fitter than Villa.
And they seemed to have a definite shape and cohesion.
Players have a clear idea of what to do (and what their teammates are doing) when they get the ball (or win it back) no matter where they are on the pitch.
Mmmmm.
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Tim caused two penalties, one good and one bad!
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He did a similarly bad tackle with the wrong foot in a very dangerous area.
Great burst of pace and skill to get the penalty. The Sky pundit in the studio was full of praise for him.
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From what I've seen nothing was really suprising about his performance, he's got bags of talent but is very raw and that means he makes some mistakes. This loan should be his opportunity to gain the experience he needs to cut those out and come back ready to push for gametime. This is exactly how the loan market should be used because everyone wins.
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Great that he and Ramsey Middle are both starting regularly at teams near the top of the table. They'll come on leaps and bounds this season. Then they can come back to the Villa and dump McGinn and Coutinho out of the team.
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Looking at a QPR fans forum, they're all full of praise for him. Playing for a good Championship side has to be good for him.
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Very positive for the form of Tim and Aron in the Championship.
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How are KKH and JPB getting on in the championship?
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Philogene was an unused sub for Cardiff yesterday.
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KKGH has been played in midfield rather than at full back which I don't think has helped him, he's barely featured in the last 4-5 games.
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Can we cancel their loans and send them elsewhere in January, like we did last year?
Louie Barry seems to be playing.
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Can we cancel their loans and send them elsewhere in January, like we did last year?
Louie Barry seems to be playing.
As a very occasional substitute as far as I can see.
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Looking at a QPR fans forum, they're all full of praise for him. Playing for a good Championship side has to be good for him.
Full of praise for Beale too, I think it's starting to sink in just how good a Coach they've got which can only be good for Tim. Beale's 2nd half tactical switch brought out an exceptional display from Tim by all accounts.
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KKGH has been played in midfield rather than at full back which I don't think has helped him, he's barely featured in the last 4-5 games.
That's a massive waste. I guess he's going to have ups and downs but I really thought he'd tear it up down there.
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Looking at a QPR fans forum, they're all full of praise for him. Playing for a good Championship side has to be good for him.
Full of praise for Beale too, I think it's starting to sink in just how good a Coach they've got which can only be good for Tim. Beale's 2nd half tactical switch brought out an exceptional display from Tim by all accounts.
Wait til they go on a bad run, they'll be giving both men a round of fcuks. Fickle sugarbags, bring back O'Dreary.
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https://twitter.com/freflchampvids/status/1579171088835424259?t=3DWJphTEHK6TKFTJig7a0Q&s=08
Tim Iroegbunam's performance for QPR v Reading last Friday.
Not perfect, but much to admire.
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Looking at a QPR fans forum, they're all full of praise for him. Playing for a good Championship side has to be good for him.
Full of praise for Beale too, I think it's starting to sink in just how good a Coach they've got which can only be good for Tim. Beale's 2nd half tactical switch brought out an exceptional display from Tim by all accounts.
Wait til they go on a bad run, they'll be giving both men a round of fcuks. Fickle sugarbags, bring back O'Dreary.
Maybe we should ask if they want to trade Beale for Gerrard.
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His club isn't it? He wouldn't want to leave.
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Playing at St Andrews tonight
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Playing at St Andrews tonight
I hope it goes well for him
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A regular in QPR's midfield now. They've had their first sticky spell under Beale, lost to Blose last week and today at home to the Baggies, but he's lasting most game. Was replaced by Uncle Albert for the last few minutes as they chased a late equaliser.
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It's really good for him and Ramsey to be playing week in, week out. Much better to be experiencing all the highs and lows on a weekly basis than the odd sub appearance here and there.
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Yep. Just a shame that KKH can hardly get a kick at struggling Huddersfield.
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Yep. Just a shame that KKH can hardly get a kick at struggling Huddersfield.
It may already have been posted but this may explain why. Not sure he's going to enjoy Emery's training sessions.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-kesler-hayden-huddersfield-25255103
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Yep. Just a shame that KKH can hardly get a kick at struggling Huddersfield.
It may already have been posted but this may explain why. Not sure he's going to enjoy Emery's training sessions.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-kesler-hayden-huddersfield-25255103
So a replacement manager doesn't fancy a young Prem loanee brought to the club by his predecessor who got sacked?
Sounds like he’s looking for someone to pin the blame on for a record of W 2, D 2, L5 since taking over on Sept 22.
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Yep. Just a shame that KKH can hardly get a kick at struggling Huddersfield.
It may already have been posted but this may explain why. Not sure he's going to enjoy Emery's training sessions.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-kesler-hayden-huddersfield-25255103
So a replacement manager doesn't fancy a young Prem loanee brought to the club by his predecessor who got sacked?
Sounds like he’s looking for someone to pin the blame on for a record of W 2, D 2, L5 since taking over on Sept 22.
I would imagine he will be mirroring Louie Barry's experience of last season, in that he'll be recalled in Jan, and then be loaned elsewhere (hopefully the championship) and do pretty well.
This is the first blip in what has been an excellent start to his senior career, and I'm sure a blip is all it will be. If it makes him even more determined to succeed, then all the better.
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I saw KKH getting thrashed by Leyton Orient whilst at Swindon and he didn’t seem to react well to adversity; becoming very sulky and stopped tracking back.
I think a small bump in his career journey could do him good in the long run.
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KKH played all second half last night.
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KKH played all second half last night.
Good news.
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Excellent. Think he could be having a big second half to the season if he impresses during the break Emery wouldn't hesitate to use him.
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I'd like to think so, but he hasn't played much recently for Huddersfield.
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Juventus and Borussia Dortmund are intersted in Iroegbunam
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You omit to mention this “interest” is reported in the football encyclopedia that is, erm, TeamTalk.
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Juventus and Borussia Dortmund are intersted in Iroegbunam
I’m sure plenty of clubs will be interested in him…
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Hopefully we retain a sell-on clause, chuck a buy-back option in too. Same with Cameron. They're not getting in our team for the foreseeable, are they?
£30m+ to go with the Ings money. It's what Unai/Bob want and maybe they're right.
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In my opinion, it was a mistake to let Carney Chukwuemeka go because he would have thrived under Emery. Gerrard's attitude toward Chuk is to blame for this.
I hope Iroegbunam is given serious consideration to join the first team squad and play because he is another player who can compete at our level and beyond. Emery is very experienced when it comes to knowing quality and has abilities in bringing through players with talent. I'm hopeful we hold on to Iroegbunam this window.
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He may well be Kamara's long-term midfield partner so I wouldn't write him off and start looking for the best money for him just yet.
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In my opinion, it was a mistake to let Carney Chukwuemeka go because he would have thrived under Emery. Gerrard's attitude toward Chuk is to blame for this.
It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't Gerrard's error. Chukwuemeka had been refusing to sign a new contract going back to Dean Smith's time. He appeared to think he was better than he'll probably turn out to be, and was given more playing time than his performances deserved. He was offered silly money to stay, but refused and accepted even crazier money at Chelsea. When a player doesn't want to be here, all you can do is get as much money in as you can, which we duly did.
Fuck him, quite frankly.
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He may well be Kamara's long-term midfield partner so I wouldn't write him off and start looking for the best money for him just yet.
Exactly. Any talk of selling him is utterly ridiculous.
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In my opinion, it was a mistake to let Carney Chukwuemeka go because he would have thrived under Emery. Gerrard's attitude toward Chuk is to blame for this.
It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't Gerrard's error. Chukwuemeka had been refusing to sign a new contract going back to Dean Smith's time. He appeared to think he was better than he'll probably turn out to be, and was given more playing time than his performances deserved. He was offered silly money to stay, but refused and accepted even crazier money at Chelsea. When a player doesn't want to be here, all you can do is get as much money in as you can, which we duly did.
Fuck him, quite frankly.
Spot on. They even reneged on the agreement to sign the contract on the condition that we bring his shitty attitude brother to the club. Which we did. His people are not professional & for all the talent Carney potentially has, he has shown nothing at Villa or Chelsea to suggest he deserves more first team football currently. As for Iroegbunam, he has signed a long term professional contract when he turned 18, so we do not run the same risk of losing him as we did with Chuckwemeka. Our first mistake was to big Chuckwemeka up via the media, thanks again Purslow, the utter clown. And the other mistake was to play Chuckwemeka before his 18th birthday & a long term pro contract signing.
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You can't keep players who want to leave though, such a culture on here of finding someone to blame for everything.
He clearly wanted to force himself into a team in Europe and fair enough, I don't begrudge him of it
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In my opinion, it was a mistake to let Carney Chukwuemeka go because he would have thrived under Emery. Gerrard's attitude toward Chuk is to blame for this.
It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't Gerrard's error. Chukwuemeka had been refusing to sign a new contract going back to Dean Smith's time. He appeared to think he was better than he'll probably turn out to be, and was given more playing time than his performances deserved. He was offered silly money to stay, but refused and accepted even crazier money at Chelsea. When a player doesn't want to be here, all you can do is get as much money in as you can, which we duly did.
Fuck him, quite frankly.
Exactly. Particulary the 'fuck him' bit. With bells on.
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Jaysus, did he really do much wrong here? He's a kid who didn't want to play for a struggling prem league team. All this fuck him stuff is a bit strong innit
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In my opinion, it was a mistake to let Carney Chukwuemeka go because he would have thrived under Emery. Gerrard's attitude toward Chuk is to blame for this.
It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't Gerrard's error. Chukwuemeka had been refusing to sign a new contract going back to Dean Smith's time. He appeared to think he was better than he'll probably turn out to be, and was given more playing time than his performances deserved. He was offered silly money to stay, but refused and accepted even crazier money at Chelsea. When a player doesn't want to be here, all you can do is get as much money in as you can, which we duly did.
Fuck him, quite frankly.
That's not how I view it at all, and I think that's a narrative Windsor House can be proud of. Chukwuemeka a winner for Villa, and he was a standout performer and winner when he competed for England at his age level. Gerrard, like he did to many other players, demotivated CC, and the way he interacted with him and numerous other more seasoned players was, to put it mildly, detrimental.
In football circles , it is acknowledged that CC was atalent above his years.
It's unfortunate that Chelsea was his destination, but with the changeover he has reason for optimism thanks to Potter's skills with Boehly plan.
In his chance yesterday against Man City, CC showed promise.
He demonstrated this yesterday against Manchester City. He came close to scoring twice against Manchester City in games. One for us with a great run into the box and one for Chelsea (he hit the post yesterday)
If these young players do move on then it's considered the best move career wise is to German football-it is an excellent grounding for football education for overseas cultures to learn discipline and football intelligence
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Then there's Tim, but what about Iroegbunam?
Gerrard and Beale brought him on somewhat and then has done exceptionally well under Beale at QPR (an Irony Critchely is now head coach there)
So really, that is the topic under debate and the title of the thread. Iroegbunam he and his performances.
Chukwuemeka merely serves as a recent case study and comparison of what transpired with a breakout player at Villa. (Plus his thread seems to have bitterly disappeared?)
So is continuing to market these guys part of our strategy?
Are Villa just going to continue selling such players now with Iroegbunam?
I very much hope under Emery that's not the case.
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What a load of drivel. What the hell made CC (vomit) a winner at Villa? Lots of kids have done well coming through the ranks. It’s what you do at first team level. I think he got the post at Spurs one time. Ace. He was given opportunities to stay. He didn’t take it. He thought himself bigger than the club. We even brought his brother in to help him settle and stay. That didn’t work. He’s bet on himself and gone to Chelsea and we’ve take £20m from their bank. It’s a good deal for us. So fuck him and his career.
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Then there's Tim, but what about Iroegbunam?
Gerrard and Beale brought him on somewhat and then has done exceptionally well under Beale at QPR (an Irony Critchely is now head coach there)
So really, that is the topic under debate and the title of the thread. Iroegbunam he and his performances.
Chukwuemeka merely serves as a recent case study and comparison of what transpired with a breakout player at Villa. (Plus his thread seems to have bitterly disappeared?)
So is continuing to market these guys part of our strategy?
Are Villa just going to continue selling such players now with Iroegbunam?
I very much hope under Emery that's not the case.
With the absolute upmost respect, that's the biggest load of pointless tripe I've read for a while. We sold Carney because he wouldn't sign a new deal and you know that.
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That's not how I view it at all, and I think that's a narrative Windsor House can be proud of. Chukwuemeka a winner for Villa, and he was a standout performer and winner when he competed for England at his age level. Gerrard, like he did to many other players, demotivated CC, and the way he interacted with him and numerous other more seasoned players was, to put it mildly, detrimental.
In football circles , it is acknowledged that CC was atalent above his years.
It's unfortunate that Chelsea was his destination, but with the changeover he has reason for optimism thanks to Potter's skills and Boylen's plan.
In his chance yesterday against Man City, CC showed promise.
He demonstrated this yesterday against Manchester City. He came close to scoring twice against Manchester City in games. One for us with a great run into the box and one for Chelsea (he hit the post yesterday)
If these young players do move on then it's considered the best move career wise is to German football-it is an excellent grounding for football education for overseas cultures to learn discipline and football intelligence
I couldn't give a moneky's how you view it, you're just completely wrong. Gerrard and Smith both gave him playing time, but unlike Jacob Ramsey his performances weren't good enough to warrant any more time than he got. He refused to sign a new contract under both of them, and it's good that we rinsed Chelsea for £20m. I don't think he'd be playing any more for Emery than he is for Potter. Potter will be getting the sack before much longer, anyway.
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It's like having a Talksport Drive Time plug in attached to the site sometimes, controvesial hot takes galore.
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In my opinion, it was a mistake to let Carney Chukwuemeka go because he would have thrived under Emery. Gerrard's attitude toward Chuk is to blame for this.
It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't Gerrard's error. Chukwuemeka had been refusing to sign a new contract going back to Dean Smith's time. He appeared to think he was better than he'll probably turn out to be, and was given more playing time than his performances deserved. He was offered silly money to stay, but refused and accepted even crazier money at Chelsea. When a player doesn't want to be here, all you can do is get as much money in as you can, which we duly did.
Fuck him, quite frankly.
That's not how I view it at all, and I think that's a narrative Windsor House can be proud of.
Outrageous assertion. You should apologise.
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What a load of drivel. What the hell made CC (vomit) a winner at Villa? Lots of kids have done well coming through the ranks. It’s what you do at first team level. I think he got the post at Spurs one time. Ace. He was given opportunities to stay. He didn’t take it. He thought himself bigger than the club. We even brought his brother in to help him settle and stay. That didn’t work. He’s bet on himself and gone to Chelsea and we’ve take £20m from their bank. It’s a good deal for us. So fuck him and his career.
It's what you do to get their from academy to first team level. And Chukwuemeka was the big noise. Folly to poo poo youth and academy succes as we can't discount he's a winner at club and international level and what achievement for any footballer in their career. Football club were observers and they were Champions league level all having admiring glances and interest. I just think it was disappointing way it was handled and been suggested as if Chukwuemeka was all to blame.
Anyway the debate is on Iroegbunam and if he is to stay or go?
And the developer model of selling players who would be competing for first team spaces here.
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Iroegbunam won't be going anywhere. He's on a season-long loan to QPR where he appears to be doing really well. He's still only 19, and I'm sure he'll be in contention for the first team under Emery next season. If a German team or anybody else want him, then bidding starts at £50m.
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It shocked me yesterday to see a list of players that Everton have purchased for 20 million plus. There were 18 players on the list and most of them turned out shite. Out of intrigue, I googled '50 million pound plus transfer flops in football'. There are tonnes of them.
Even Unai spent 70 million plus on Pepe when he was at Arsenal!!
If we get hold of a gem at youth level, we must do everything in our power to keep them. Chuck's attitude stunk and there was no more we could do.
Hopefully, Tim and a few others will progress at the Villa and potentially save us risking and wasting millions in the long term.
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What a load of drivel. What the hell made CC (vomit) a winner at Villa? Lots of kids have done well coming through the ranks. It’s what you do at first team level. I think he got the post at Spurs one time. Ace. He was given opportunities to stay. He didn’t take it. He thought himself bigger than the club. We even brought his brother in to help him settle and stay. That didn’t work. He’s bet on himself and gone to Chelsea and we’ve take £20m from their bank. It’s a good deal for us. So fuck him and his career.
I just think it was disappointing way it was handled and been suggested as if Chukwuemeka was all to blame.
That’s because he was to blame. His head was turned by the rumours of his potential greatness. He was offered deals way above his standing and he turned them down. It’s very well documented. There is a good chance he’d be playing an active role with us right now had he stayed. He chose Chelsea because he saw players like Bellingham succeed at an early age at Dortmund. He’s a million miles from that level.
In a few months Chelsea, who are lying just above us having spent the GDP of a small nation will be looking for the 3rd manager in his time there who will proceed to sign 20 more players and he will pushed further down the order. He’s not the player he thinks he is. That’s not to say he’s not talented but he took the fast route and to date, it hasn’t worked out quite how he had it planned.
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It shocked me yesterday to see a list of players that Everton have purchased for 20 million plus. There were 18 players on the list and most of them turned out shite. Out of intrigue, I googled '50 million pound plus transfer flops in football'. There are tonnes of them.
Even Unai spent 70 million plus on Pepe when he was at Arsenal!!
If we get hold of a gem at youth level, we must do everything in our power to keep them. Chuck's attitude stunk and there was no more we could do.
Hopefully, Tim and a few others will progress at the Villa and potentially save us risking and wasting millions in the long term.
I don’t think Emery wanted Pepe.
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Even Unai spent 70 million plus on Pepe when he was at Arsenal!!
I think I read Unai wanted Zaha but the club signed Pepe, so perhaps not his fault.
I agree though, it's easy to waste forunes in this game.
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Everton's transfer policy has been horrific for years now - buy cast offs and utter dross for insane figures.
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Iroegbunam's opportunity and start against Norwich were exciting, but I was always dissatisfied in the way Gerrard treated him and gave him little else. Tim, according to Gerarrd, needs to discover his voice.
Even though he was one of the leaders and passionate on the field, Gerrard constantly failed to realise that not everyone is the same as him. SG also wasn't the loudest in the locker room or as captain for England. SG acknowledged that while workings as our manager he was still learning.
He wouldn't give Chukwuemeka, Iroegbunam, and Archer a fair chance, obviously annoyed by his inability to get the messages over to some players. Its intimidating for them to deal with Gerrard.
Managers of England heritage in modern today who are better at relating to players as people are Smith Southgate and Potter.
Telling Tim he has to come out of his shell is an example than Gerrard just didn't get it. Same with Chuk and Archer.
McGinn, a blustery and loudmouthed player, was awarded the captaincy under Gerrrad, and Martinez and Young were given leadership positions. Because of 'Character' these young players haven't had chance to establish themselves or even develop maturity to a level where they can fully be leading as that's whats clearly demanded and required by some coaches if a player is to start matches.
Well, when they advanced to the first team football, Archer, Chukwuemeka, and Iroegbunam showed they have plenty of character and good luck to all 3 I'm proud of all of them a creidt to our academy!
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What a load of drivel. What the hell made CC (vomit) a winner at Villa? Lots of kids have done well coming through the ranks. It’s what you do at first team level. I think he got the post at Spurs one time. Ace. He was given opportunities to stay. He didn’t take it. He thought himself bigger than the club. We even brought his brother in to help him settle and stay. That didn’t work. He’s bet on himself and gone to Chelsea and we’ve take £20m from their bank. It’s a good deal for us. So fuck him and his career.
I just think it was disappointing way it was handled and been suggested as if Chukwuemeka was all to blame.
That’s because he was to blame. His head was turned by the rumours of his potential greatness. He was offered deals way above his standing and he turned them down. It’s very well documented. There is a good chance he’d be playing an active role with us right now had he stayed. He chose Chelsea because he saw players like Bellingham succeed at an early age at Dortmund. He’s a million miles from that level.
In a few months Chelsea, who are lying just above us having spent the GDP of a small nation will be looking for the 3rd manager in his time there who will proceed to sign 20 more players and he will pushed further down the order. He’s not the player he thinks he is. That’s not to say he’s not talented but he took the fast route and to date, it hasn’t worked out quite how he had it planned.
Not what I hear regarding my chelsea contact.
The club will have Potter for minimum of 3 seasons as well as remainder of this.
They have a plan in place with the impressive American Boehly
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What a load of drivel. What the hell made CC (vomit) a winner at Villa? Lots of kids have done well coming through the ranks. It’s what you do at first team level. I think he got the post at Spurs one time. Ace. He was given opportunities to stay. He didn’t take it. He thought himself bigger than the club. We even brought his brother in to help him settle and stay. That didn’t work. He’s bet on himself and gone to Chelsea and we’ve take £20m from their bank. It’s a good deal for us. So fuck him and his career.
I just think it was disappointing way it was handled and been suggested as if Chukwuemeka was all to blame.
That’s because he was to blame. His head was turned by the rumours of his potential greatness. He was offered deals way above his standing and he turned them down. It’s very well documented. There is a good chance he’d be playing an active role with us right now had he stayed. He chose Chelsea because he saw players like Bellingham succeed at an early age at Dortmund. He’s a million miles from that level.
In a few months Chelsea, who are lying just above us having spent the GDP of a small nation will be looking for the 3rd manager in his time there who will proceed to sign 20 more players and he will pushed further down the order. He’s not the player he thinks he is. That’s not to say he’s not talented but he took the fast route and to date, it hasn’t worked out quite how he had it planned.
Not what I hear regarding my chelsea contact.
The club will have Potter for minimum of 3 seasons as well as remainder of this.
They have a plan in place with the impressive American Boehly
I doubt very much he will last three seasons at Chelsea.
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Honestly, where to even start with shite? Iroegbunam didn't even come through our academy.
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Honestly, where to even start with shite? Iroegbunam didn't even come through our academy.
Didn't we poach Chucky from Northampton as well?
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Iroegbunam's opportunity and start against Norwich were exciting, but I was always dissatisfied in the way Gerrard treated him and gave him little else. Tim, according to Gerarrd, needs to discover his voice.
Even though he was one of the leaders and passionate on the field, Gerrard constantly failed to realise that not everyone is the same as him. SG also wasn't the loudest in the locker room or as captain for England. SG acknowledged that while workings as our manager he was still learning.
He wouldn't give Chukwuemeka, Iroegbunam, and Archer a fair chance, obviously annoyed by his inability to get the messages over to some players. Its intimidating for them to deal with Gerrard.
Managers of England heritage in modern today who are better at relating to players as people are Smith Southgate and Potter.
Telling Tim he has to come out of his shell is an example than Gerrard just didn't get it. Same with Chuk and Archer.
McGinn, a blustery and loudmouthed player, was awarded the captaincy under Gerrrad, and Martinez and Young were given leadership positions. Because of 'Character' these young players haven't had chance to establish themselves or even develop maturity to a level where they can fully be leading as that's whats clearly demanded and required by some coaches if a player is to start matches.
Well, when they advanced to the first team football, Archer, Chukwuemeka, and Iroegbunam showed they have plenty of character and good luck to all 3 I'm proud of all of them a creidt to our academy!
I'd give you odds now that Potter won't be there by Christmas, and Chukwuemeka will be playing somewhere else on loan within the same timeframe.
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Footy's Chelsea contact:
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Everton's transfer policy has been horrific for years now - buy cast offs and utter dross for insane figures.
And even when their signings produced, the record one had to be quietly ushered out the door.
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What a load of drivel. What the hell made CC (vomit) a winner at Villa? Lots of kids have done well coming through the ranks. It’s what you do at first team level. I think he got the post at Spurs one time. Ace. He was given opportunities to stay. He didn’t take it. He thought himself bigger than the club. We even brought his brother in to help him settle and stay. That didn’t work. He’s bet on himself and gone to Chelsea and we’ve take £20m from their bank. It’s a good deal for us. So fuck him and his career.
I just think it was disappointing way it was handled and been suggested as if Chukwuemeka was all to blame.
That’s because he was to blame. His head was turned by the rumours of his potential greatness. He was offered deals way above his standing and he turned them down. It’s very well documented. There is a good chance he’d be playing an active role with us right now had he stayed. He chose Chelsea because he saw players like Bellingham succeed at an early age at Dortmund. He’s a million miles from that level.
In a few months Chelsea, who are lying just above us having spent the GDP of a small nation will be looking for the 3rd manager in his time there who will proceed to sign 20 more players and he will pushed further down the order. He’s not the player he thinks he is. That’s not to say he’s not talented but he took the fast route and to date, it hasn’t worked out quite how he had it planned.
Not what I hear regarding my chelsea contact.
The club will have Potter for minimum of 3 seasons as well as remainder of this.
They have a plan in place with the impressive American Boehly
Graham Potter will not last 3 seasons at Chelsea. You've gone insane. Not even Potter thinks that.
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Thought Chucky did well last night, best I've seen him play. Can't blame Gerrard there for sure, he gave him every chance, too many I'd argue. Anyway, forget about him. Tim will probably come back into the squad next summer, unfortunately for him currently it's our strongest area of the pitch with Luiz, Kamara and the Donk competing for two spots.
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Tim, A.Ramsey, J.Ramsey and Raikhy in our midfield in the next few years would be very exciting. Plus Kamara is only 23 and Luiz is 24.
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Footy you appear to take your thoughts, imaginings and opinions and present them as facts. This started as Iroegbunam has suitors (according to teamtalk) and descended into everything the club does with it’s youth is wrong. You justified it by citing CC currently ripping up no trees at CFC.
You say your ITK in Chelsea says Potter will have at least three seasons. There’s a first time for everything I suppose but he won’t. Unless your ITK meant autumn winter and spring (sorry) Also you say Bohly is a good and patient man. No one knows and he has already binned a more successful but had to like coach. It was the right thing to do as the writing was on the wall as it is for Potter and he too will soon be gone. Another nice seaside gig for him at Bournemouth no doubt with their new American autocrat headcase.
Regarding CC He’s not getting his chance at CFC on merit. They literally have no other options. Just accept that it was his call all down the line. And AVFC did well to get rid. On the ball he was nothing more than reasonable and a little lightweight. Only to be expected at his age. Off the ball he was slow and lazy. I saw it with my own eyes everytime he played at VP. A trait that is unacceptable considering he will have spent all his formative years surrounded by high calibre professional football folk drilling into him the need to do the hard yards for the team then himself.
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In fairness, Chelsea did say that Potter was their man that they wanted to have for the long-term. Maybe the days of changing manager every year under Abramovich are over.
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Jaysus, did he really do much wrong here? He's a kid who didn't want to play for a struggling prem league team. All this fuck him stuff is a bit strong innit
It's my default reaction for anybody who thinks they're too good for Aston Villa.
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Honestly, where to even start with shite? Iroegbunam didn't even come through our academy.
Didn't we poach Chucky from Northampton as well?
As a 12 year old, so not really the same.
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In fairness, Chelsea did say that Potter was their man that they wanted to have for the long-term. Maybe the days of changing manager every year under Abramovich are over.
Has your QPR mate updated you on Tim's progress there? Can't see anything online other than he starts games.
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From the little I've seen of both Chuky and Tim, I'd say they are both potentially very classy Prem League players. I'd be very disappointed if we traded Tim so that we could give money to Emery for another player: Tim's definitely Kamara's future playing partner (or replacement if Kamara gets poached for big money elsewhere) and we should do everything we can to make it so.
And, don't the Bitters get a cut if we sell him?
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He's only getting a sniff for Chelsea now because they've got more injuries than the Russian military. Otherwise he'd be getting 20 minutes for the youth team here-and-there like he was before Christmas, the absolute bellwhiff.
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Jaysus, did he really do much wrong here? He's a kid who didn't want to play for a struggling prem league team. All this fuck him stuff is a bit strong innit
I don't think so. He was developed by Villa for several years, given every opportunity to progress including first team minutes when he probably didn't deserve them, offered a record salary for a youth player and it still wasn't enough. The massive greedy bellend.
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In fairness, Chelsea did say that Potter was their man that they wanted to have for the long-term. Maybe the days of changing manager every year under Abramovich are over.
Had a quick look on their forum and the fans are already sniffing blood. If they don't make the Champions League then no doubt Potter will be getting potted in May.
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In fairness, Chelsea did say that Potter was their man that they wanted to have for the long-term. Maybe the days of changing manager every year under Abramovich are over.
Has your QPR mate updated you on Tim's progress there? Can't see anything online other than he starts games.
I have watched several of their games & he always looks good. Comfortable on the ball, likes driving forward from the CDM areas, passes well, mops up & closes down with pace, good in the tackle, albeit sometimes likes a slide a little too much. He is very elegant on the ball & looks a class above anything else on the pitch. From reading other forums, the Bin Dipper, Chelsea, usual suspect scumbags, etc, are already saying they will just come in & take him from us because they rate him so highly. Arrogant wankers.
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Juventus and Borussia Dortmund are intersted in Iroegbunam
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In fairness, Chelsea did say that Potter was their man that they wanted to have for the long-term. Maybe the days of changing manager every year under Abramovich are over.
Has your QPR mate updated you on Tim's progress there? Can't see anything online other than he starts games.
I have watched several of their games & he always looks good. Comfortable on the ball, likes driving forward from the CDM areas, passes well, mops up & closes down with pace, good in the tackle, albeit sometimes likes a slide a little too much. He is very elegant on the ball & looks a class above anything else on the pitch. From reading other forums, the Bin Dipper, Chelsea, usual suspect scumbags, etc, are already saying they will just come in & take him from us because they rate him so highly. Arrogant wankers.
Isn't that what we did with him?
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yeah but it was Albion, so it's ok.
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In fairness, Chelsea did say that Potter was their man that they wanted to have for the long-term. Maybe the days of changing manager every year under Abramovich are over.
Has your QPR mate updated you on Tim's progress there? Can't see anything online other than he starts games.
I have watched several of their games & he always looks good. Comfortable on the ball, likes driving forward from the CDM areas, passes well, mops up & closes down with pace, good in the tackle, albeit sometimes likes a slide a little too much. He is very elegant on the ball & looks a class above anything else on the pitch. From reading other forums, the Bin Dipper, Chelsea, usual suspect scumbags, etc, are already saying they will just come in & take him from us because they rate him so highly. Arrogant wankers.
Isn't that what we did with him?
I’m not sure as fans we said we would just come in & take him, considering most had never heard of the kid before he joined us. But I suppose one could say we did go in & purchase him. It’s the arrogance that they think they can just come & take him from little old Villa & we won’t be able to stop them that pisses me off. That is their attitude.
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But thats exactly what we did with him from Albion.
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He is the best of our youngsters IMO. Already ready for our first team, the question should be who does he replace next season.
Difficult, if we look at Luiz and Kamara..
Definitely part of the first team squad anyway
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He'll be back at Villa Park next season & be part of the first team squad. Like Ramsay a couple of seasons ago, he'll build up his appearances over the season & become a first team regular. By which time we'll be playing in Europe & he'll still have 3 years left on his contract.
Any talk of Dortmund or Juventus is bollox.
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So he has 4 years left on his deal at the moment? That's the only bit of information I care about and can now leave the thread in peace. Have fun.
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If we were looking to sign this kid and watched the YT highlights we would be going sign him up now! But he is actually ours
https://youtu.be/-TacZx6xF50
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Almost impressive to maintain arrogance whilst "dipping a bin".
Anyone using that nomenclature must be a bit sad imo.
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Very Vieraesque
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Very Vieraesque
Yes that's what a QPR fan said to me Hookey
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yeah but it was Albion, so it's ok.
Obvs!
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Almost impressive to maintain arrogance whilst "dipping a bin".
Anyone using that nomenclature must be a bit sad imo.
;D
Lighten up.
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Dear pablo_picasso,
I think you might be a bit sad. The reason for this is because I think referring to people as bin dippers is a bit sad.
I didn't think you needed things to be spelled out to you but now I know and will possibly act accordingly. Depends.
Yours faithfully
bob
Oh you edited your post nevermind.
Quite possible I do need to lighten up, will take that on board.
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If we were looking to sign this kid and watched the YT highlights we would be going sign him up now! But he is actually ours
https://youtu.be/-TacZx6xF50
Very impressive.
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Dear pablo_picasso,
I think you might be a bit sad. The reason for this is because I think referring to people as bin dippers is a bit sad.
I didn't think you needed things to be spelled out to you but now I know and will possibly act accordingly. Depends.
Yours faithfully
bob
Oh you edited your post nevermind.
Quite possible I do need to lighten up, will take that on board.
Things said in jest do not need cowardly sly digs from some randomer.
Have a great day mate.
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If we were looking to sign this kid and watched the YT highlights we would be going sign him up now! But he is actually ours
https://youtu.be/-TacZx6xF50
I never trust Youtube videos because I once saw one of Heskey that made him look like a world beater, but this kid is quality. I cannot wait to see him, Kamara & Ramsey in the same midfield. The pace, the energy, the drive. All with the oldest being 22/23 years old.
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Dear pablo_picasso,
I think you might be a bit sad. The reason for this is because I think referring to people as bin dippers is a bit sad.
I didn't think you needed things to be spelled out to you but now I know and will possibly act accordingly. Depends.
Yours faithfully
bob
Oh you edited your post nevermind.
Quite possible I do need to lighten up, will take that on board.
Things said in jest do not need cowardly sly digs from some randomer.
Have a great day mate.
I accept you saying it was in jest. Each to their own.
There was nothing cowardly or sly in my post. It was blatant.
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Dear pablo_picasso,
I think you might be a bit sad. The reason for this is because I think referring to people as bin dippers is a bit sad.
I didn't think you needed things to be spelled out to you but now I know and will possibly act accordingly. Depends.
Yours faithfully
bob
Oh you edited your post nevermind.
Quite possible I do need to lighten up, will take that on board.
Things said in jest do not need cowardly sly digs from some randomer.
Have a great day mate.
I accept you saying it was in jest. Each to their own.
There was nothing cowardly or sly in my post. It was blatant.
;D
Have a great day mate...
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its going to be some central midfield
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its going to be some central midfield
Fingers crossed. The blend of styles means we could then have some genuine flair ahead of them in a 433.
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unused sub today, not sure if it means anything but seems like the sort of thing we might ask them to do if we were considering a recall, more likely just giving him a rest though.
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Yeah, its a Cup game and he's been basically an ever-present so probably given him the day off to check out the sales at Westfield Shepherds Bush.
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Unused sub
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He'll be kicking himself he didn't nab a sound-bar and noise-cancelling friends at Dixons, so.
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Unused sub
-woofer? I have to confess to doing the same when installing 5.1 surround sound, had too much compassion for my neighbours in the the surrounding flats.
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He'll be kicking himself he didn't nab a sound-bar and noise-cancelling friends at Dixons, so.
He can get them in duty free when we're in Europe next year and save himself a few bob.
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If we were looking to sign this kid and watched the YT highlights we would be going sign him up now! But he is actually ours
https://youtu.be/-TacZx6xF50
Certainly see why Dortmund would be interested.
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Another Kamara in the making:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jL-aNNc-IFs
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I really like him as a player, the big standout from the video is that he's really good at taking the ball on the turn, which is a good way to up the tempo of our play. Over the last few months we've been really dangerous when we make a quick change to our tempo, I suspect thaty's going to be a significant part of our play under Emery as we try to draw player out and create space then blitz through as soon as it opens.
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Imagine him and Kamara playing together next season.
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Let's be honest. Chelsea will buy Kamara (and Martínez and Cash and all our best women) and Tim will have to step into Bouba's shoes.
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Another Kamara in the making:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jL-aNNc-IFs
Fantastic stuff, but the sound track gave the the fear. Didn't get to the mute button in time.
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Let's be honest. Chelsea will buy Kamara (and Martínez and Cash and all our best women) and Tim will have to step into Bouba's shoes.
Tsk!
<< mutters unde breath - 'some guy trying to sell our best players once again' >>
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If we were looking to sign this kid and watched the YT highlights we would be going sign him up now! But he is actually ours
https://youtu.be/-TacZx6xF50
He has 'The long legs of Carlton Palmer'. :)
I never trust Youtube videos because I once saw one of Heskey that made him look like a world beater, but this kid is quality. I cannot wait to see him, Kamara & Ramsey in the same midfield. The pace, the energy, the drive. All with the oldest being 22/23 years old.
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Does anybody know what operation Tim's had?
Plenty of piccies of him smiling post-op, but nothing about what procedure he's had.
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Does anybody know what operation Tim's had?
Plenty of piccies of him smiling post-op, but nothing about what procedure he's had.
Nobody seems to know other than it was a success and he should be ready for preseason
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Report in the Meaning Evil that it was a hernia operation.
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I am sure UE will know the full breakdown on Tim's ability, stats etc and not assess him like a completely new player
Same goes for Archer, Ramsey Jnr etc
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I hope Gerrard who rates him doesn't have any designs for Timmy, but if they offer 20 million, sell him to Al-Ettifaq
Deano's departure from Leicester a tragedy in more ways than one because would have been a good loan for a high-level championship squad coached by Smith.
I'm wondering whether the final objective is to sell him for a fair sum of money rather than employ him as a first-team player in the coming seasons.
Tim Iroegbunam has recently turned 20 years old, so the plan we have for him will be interesting
Do we see several of these highly rated young Villa players being developed and then simply sold ?1
I also think it depends on players attitude as much as their abilities and how much they feel comfortable or feel ready to take next step
I think there will also be those who will be kept amd integrated and others never given more than things like these summer series and few domestic or European cup football.
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Some will be.
Its part of the reason we are stacking the academy.
Iroegbunam, A. Ramsey will not be among them though.
They will added to the squad & eventually challenge for first team spots.
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Why is he not on the tour, another loan on the cards or an injury?
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QPR interested in taking him on loan again according to Brum Mail.
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If he's going out on loan again it's got to be somebody half decent this time.
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The article says no deals will be done until Emery decides on the wider squad, but the fact he hasn't gone to the US makes you wonder if that decision hasn't already been made. Maybe its a case of deciding whether to sell or loan again.
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If he's going out on loan again it's got to be somebody half decent this time.
Yes. No point sending him back there, just to repeat last season.
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If he's going out on loan again it's got to be somebody half decent this time.
Yes. No point sending him back there, just to repeat last season.
Better if he could go and do a job for one of the relegated teams. We can monitor his progress, plus they're more likely to be promoted and in a position to offer us a decent fee, if we feel selling him is then the best option.
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What is his situation? Injured?
Can players still leave on loan after the window has slammed shut or is he being held back and integrated into the first team.
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What is his situation? Injured?
Can players still leave on loan after the window has slammed shut or is he being held back and integrated into the first team.
Emery mentioned yesterday that he's training by himself, but it was after talking about Martinez's injury, so I assume he's injured too, and not off by himself because he's sulking or being punished.
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I have it on good authority that he has had rescans on his back and having missed most pre season is now started light training with a view to get up to speed . We shall next few days when squads for prem and conf league are announced
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I have it on good authority that he has had rescans on his back and having missed most pre season is now started light training with a view to get up to speed . We shall next few days when squads for prem and conf league are announced
It won't make any difference, he's young enough that we don't need to include him.
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Would he have gone on loan (or sold?) if he hadn’t had the injuries or is he seen as the one to step up from that cohort of youth players?
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I thought he had a hernia op last May? We don't want more players going on loan! We are likely to play 50 plus games this season. The squad is still light especially up front.
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I would still expect to see him go on loan to further his own development (rather than fill one of the spots on the bench).
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I would still expect to see him go on loan to further his own development (rather than fill one of the spots on the bench).
He can't until January so we might as well use him around the first team and then see where things are .
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I would still expect to see him go on loan to further his own development (rather than fill one of the spots on the bench).
He can't until January so we might as well use him around the first team and then see where things are .
Agree, some people haven't grasped that we need a lot of players to play in four competitions. Some rotation will be necessary to avoid burnout and keep players fresh. Also, Injuries will inevitably be part of the equation.
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I hope he gets a chance to join the squad and be part of the set up. Looks a real talent.
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UE mentioned Tim a couple of times in his press conference. He's been unlucky with injuries.
He looks very impressive and will hopefully be a great rotation option for Dougie and Kamara.
Getting Tim, JJ and Moreno back at this time is a big boost.
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Often forgotten about while we're all talking about Ramsey and Moreno being back.
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So the pathway begins to open for some of our youth. With Dendoncker gone, he now steps up to first rotation for DM. Feels as though this has been a long time coming and I'm quite excited to see how he fares against strong competition. He has plenty of experience of pressure through his young England performances. I expect we will all be more accepting of any mistakes along the road from a young player finding his way than we were from Dendo. Good luck lad!
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I'm looking forward to seeing more of Tim.
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Hopefully if he does well between now and the end of the season, we can sell him to some desperate lower table chumps with a fat buy back clause in case he's shit.
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A supposed quote from UE lifted from X:
"I decided to let Dendoncker leave & keep Tim here. I'm going to work now after the match tomorrow thinking to give him chances to progress in the idea we are trying to build with Tim."
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He'd better get ready to be always demanding of himself.
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And be very prepared to play in our way and connecting with our fans.
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Cooking a mean paella won't hurt his chances either.
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It's about being consistent, and raising our level.
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A supposed quote from UE lifted from X:
"I decided to let Dendoncker leave & keep Tim here. I'm going to work now after the match tomorrow thinking to give him chances to progress in the idea we are trying to build with Tim."
Fluent Emerlish
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A supposed quote from UE lifted from X:
"I decided to let Dendoncker leave & keep Tim here. I'm going to work now after the match tomorrow thinking to give him chances to progress in the idea we are trying to build with Tim."
Fluent Emerlish
His characteristics as a player are more or less the same position trying to fight to or to share the position with Boubacar Kamara
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Vs Sheffield United
Tim Iroegbunam welcome to the Emery fold.
Played some minutes alongside Kamara in the 6 role.
Good little match to get into.
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The guy has talent, and I would start him against Chelsea.There may be the odd errors made by him (we have seen in that role by Douglas Luiz, Kamara and Dendocker) when caught in possession on occasions when receiving the ball, but it's a good learning
experience.
Iroegbunam has also been named in the European Conference knockout stage squad.Let's go, Timmy!
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Time to start using him, his time has arrived
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Messrs Cowans, Shaw and Barry were thrown into what proved successful teams due to circumstance. Let's give him the same chance.
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Definitely has something about him. With a bit more confidence, who knows how good big Tim will be.
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I haven't seen anything amazing in the cameos he's made - he coughed-up possession once or twice at Bramall Lane but I do remember seeing a goal he scored for QPR last season and thought he might have something. Really hard to tell at this stage. I'm not sure when we can risk starting him though if we're battling on all fronts.
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I Like him. The solution is simple really, we just need to go 4-0 up in games more often and then we can start giving him more minutes that way.
Might send an e-mail to Unai to suggest this.
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I Like him. The solution is simple really, we just need to go 4-0 up in games more often and then we can start giving him more minutes that way.
Might send an e-mail to Unai to suggest this.
Could you add in "keep more clean sheets" as well. But make sure he knows that was my suggestion, don't want you taking credit for my ideas.
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I Like him. The solution is simple really, we just need to go 4-0 up in games more often and then we can start giving him more minutes that way.
Might send an e-mail to Unai to suggest this.
Could you add in "keep more clean sheets" as well. But make sure he knows that was my suggestion, don't want you taking credit for my ideas.
Will do.
I've got some ideas for the England cricket team too, so let me have any suggestions on that one too before I send it.
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Hopefully he can go a step further and not hit his ceiling like Isaiah Osbourne did
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Comparing Tim I to I Osbourne seems a little random. Tim looks like a class act, from his occasional appearances to his starting debut at Burnley under the Scouse Fraud. He plays with a simplicity and economy, and - notwithstanding he will make errors from time to time - suggests high potential.
His status in the England junior set-up alongside Aaron Ramsey and Chuky adds credence to that, given they are both getting Premier League experience.
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Strange to choose Osbourne in particular. Like we haven't had plenty of players since then who've been revealed to have a lower ceiling than first thought.
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I think Iroegbunam has more about him and will do better than Hogg, who, after moving from Villa, was a captain at Huddersfield, decent at Championship level, and combative at lower half Premier League level.
I don't think he'll end up like Tshibola, who plays for Hatta Club in the UAE.
Gary Gardener was a touted one, but injury seemed to prevent progression for him.
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Must admit I had high hopes for Isiah at the time even though I’d forgotten all about him!
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Must admit I had high hopes for Isiah at the time even though I’d forgotten all about him!
Me too, but when I think of his contribution for us the only thing that comes to mind is steadiness and a lovely chip into Chris Sutton for his headed goal away at Everton.
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Comparing Tim I to I Osbourne seems a little random. Tim looks like a class act, from his occasional appearances to his starting debut at Burnley under the Scouse Fraud. He plays with a simplicity and economy, and - notwithstanding he will make errors from time to time - suggests high potential.
His status in the England junior set-up alongside Aaron Ramsey and Chuky adds credence to that, given they are both getting Premier League experience.
not random, similar position / type of player, both came through the academy. IO represented England at U16 aswell. IO had a bright start too then faded into obscurity. The similarities are uncanny but lets hope TI can step up and kick on
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Comparing Tim I to I Osbourne seems a little random. Tim looks like a class act, from his occasional appearances to his starting debut at Burnley under the Scouse Fraud. He plays with a simplicity and economy, and - notwithstanding he will make errors from time to time - suggests high potential.
His status in the England junior set-up alongside Aaron Ramsey and Chuky adds credence to that, given they are both getting Premier League experience.
not random, similar position / type of player, both came through the academy. IO represented England at U16 aswell. IO had a bright start too then faded into obscurity. The similarities are uncanny but lets hope TI can step up and kick on
Struggling to remember the last international class midfielder that came through our ranks (apart from Davis who didn’t really make it with us). Possibly Sid?
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We've had plenty of players who haven't quite made it at the highest level consistently after glowing reviews in their formative years. We all hope but ultimately it's up to the player.
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Gerrard knows a youth player from his time at Liverpool. He may not be a top elite coach, but his words were encouraging, and he deserves some credit for bringing him on board and integrating him.
I believe loan time has been very beneficial, and he is currently in the first-team squad and every minute in the pitch will add value.
I suppose he may well be sold in summer because he is an academy asset, but a buy-back clause we can expect to be included.
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Comparing Tim I to I Osbourne seems a little random. Tim looks like a class act, from his occasional appearances to his starting debut at Burnley under the Scouse Fraud. He plays with a simplicity and economy, and - notwithstanding he will make errors from time to time - suggests high potential.
His status in the England junior set-up alongside Aaron Ramsey and Chuky adds credence to that, given they are both getting Premier League experience.
not random, similar position / type of player, both came through the academy. IO represented England at U16 aswell. IO had a bright start too then faded into obscurity. The similarities are uncanny but lets hope TI can step up and kick on
Struggling to remember the last international class midfielder that came through our ranks (apart from Davis who didn’t really make it with us). Possibly Sid?
Ramsey?
Also re: England cricket team email: higher first inning scores please, thanks.
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Gareth Barry and Lee Hendrie. Yeah, the former came from Brighton but we gave him a debut at 17 and Lee was capped by Hoddle and would have got more under him if Glenda hadn't have come out with that dumb comment.
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One young un that I've always thought Unai would like is Tim. From what I've seen of him, he seems a Unai type of player. He does like to play the first time pass. He'll probably end up at Port Vale next season now I've said that.
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Something I've come to think about Unai is that he's harder to convince on the youth.
I don't mean he doesn't value it, I mean he's only really going to introduce them to the first team if he really believes they have what it takes.
Evidence - Archer and Aaron Ramsey departures (appreciate that FFP comes in here, so maybe more complicated), hasn't actually used many of our youngsters despite having an extended look in pre-season (Kellyman, for example, and also Philogene who got moved on despite fetching almost no money and looking excellent pre season), and often leaves empty spaces on the bench rather than give younger players an 'experience'.
Nowt wrong with that, just a feeling I have.
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that makes zero sense given he's just signed 3 kids .
This is about how to play the FFP System
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Something I've come to think about Unai is that he's harder to convince on the youth.
I don't mean he doesn't value it, I mean he's only really going to introduce them to the first team if he really believes they have what it takes.
Evidence - Archer and Aaron Ramsey departures (appreciate that FFP comes in here, so maybe more complicated), hasn't actually used many of our youngsters despite having an extended look in pre-season (Kellyman, for example, and also Philogene who got moved on despite fetching almost no money and looking excellent pre season), and often leaves empty spaces on the bench rather than give younger players an 'experience'.
Nowt wrong with that, just a feeling I have.
Kellyman had just established himself in and around the first team squad (two appearances, plus time on the bench) when he got injured in the U21 EFL and was about for about three months. I suspect he'll be reintegrated in the back half of the season if he's fully fit.
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Comparing Tim I to I Osbourne seems a little random. Tim looks like a class act, from his occasional appearances to his starting debut at Burnley under the Scouse Fraud. He plays with a simplicity and economy, and - notwithstanding he will make errors from time to time - suggests high potential.
His status in the England junior set-up alongside Aaron Ramsey and Chuky adds credence to that, given they are both getting Premier League experience.
not random, similar position / type of player, both came through the academy. IO represented England at U16 aswell. IO had a bright start too then faded into obscurity. The similarities are uncanny but lets hope TI can step up and kick on
Some people seem to get a little dewy-eyed about Osbourne - and I get that he started well in his Villa career - but the comparison is misleading because Tim has shown much more structure in his development.
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that makes zero sense given he's just signed 3 kids .
This is about how to play the FFP System
Not really, given Emery said pretty much exactly what Paulie suggests last winter, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines of he wouldn't bring players into match day squad unless they were ready. Obviously he sees the goalkeepers as different because part of being a 2nd/3rd choice keeper is getting used to watching a lot of games from the bench.
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that makes zero sense given he's just signed 3 kids .
This is about how to play the FFP System
Not really, given Emery said pretty much exactly what Paulie suggests last winter, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines of he wouldn't bring players into match day squad unless they were ready. Obviously he sees the goalkeepers as different because part of being a 2nd/3rd choice keeper is getting used to watching a lot of games from the bench.
That's just common sense though.
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that makes zero sense given he's just signed 3 kids .
This is about how to play the FFP System
Not really, given Emery said pretty much exactly what Paulie suggests last winter, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines of he wouldn't bring players into match day squad unless they were ready. Obviously he sees the goalkeepers as different because part of being a 2nd/3rd choice keeper is getting used to watching a lot of games from the bench.
That's just common sense though.
Yeah, exactly, so why did you argue when Paulie said it?
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that makes zero sense given he's just signed 3 kids .
This is about how to play the FFP System
Not really, given Emery said pretty much exactly what Paulie suggests last winter, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines of he wouldn't bring players into match day squad unless they were ready. Obviously he sees the goalkeepers as different because part of being a 2nd/3rd choice keeper is getting used to watching a lot of games from the bench.
That's just common sense though.
Yeah, exactly, so why did you argue when Paulie said it?
He's playing the FFP system , nothing to do with being hard on kids .
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that makes zero sense given he's just signed 3 kids .
This is about how to play the FFP System
Not really, given Emery said pretty much exactly what Paulie suggests last winter, I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines of he wouldn't bring players into match day squad unless they were ready. Obviously he sees the goalkeepers as different because part of being a 2nd/3rd choice keeper is getting used to watching a lot of games from the bench.
That's just common sense though.
Yeah, exactly, so why did you argue when Paulie said it?
He's playing the FFP system , nothing to do with being hard on kids .
I didn't say "hard on kids", I said "harder to convince".
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It’s your time son
https://x.com/keslerszn/status/1758549534987223205?s=46
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One thing worth remembering, Kamara is out until next season, so any replacement move Unai makes isn't just for a few games, it is for the rest of the season.
Thinking about it, I think that means it is more likely we see Tim as a direct replacement than juggling other midfielders. We need a medium term fix not a short term one.
That's exactly the opposite of what I said earlier in this thread, I know.
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^^ It was a mere flight of fancy when I said I hoped we’d sign Palinha in January, but it would have been handy if he was playing for us and not them tomorrow.
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Comparing Tim I to I Osbourne seems a little random. Tim looks like a class act, from his occasional appearances to his starting debut at Burnley under the Scouse Fraud. He plays with a simplicity and economy, and - notwithstanding he will make errors from time to time - suggests high potential.
His status in the England junior set-up alongside Aaron Ramsey and Chuky adds credence to that, given they are both getting Premier League experience.
not random, similar position / type of player, both came through the academy. IO represented England at U16 aswell. IO had a bright start too then faded into obscurity. The similarities are uncanny but lets hope TI can step up and kick on
Struggling to remember the last international class midfielder that came through our ranks (apart from Davis who didn’t really make it with us). Possibly Sid?
Lee Hendrie ...
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Sometimes it's just a chance the kids need to step up. Fingers crossed by the summer we are talking about Tim being a fully fledged option in the squad, as we need the numbers.
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Hadn’t realised Tim is a Great Barr lad
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It's times like these that can make kids. Mainoo seems to be doing alright at Yanited and is a similar age.
I think Emery probably will start with Tim but he could also hold him back if he feels he needs a little longer.
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To be honest if now isn’t the time for him to play I’m not sure when it ever will be.
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It’s not as if he’s a total rookie
He’s been playing in the championship last season And performing well by most accounts, I mean it’s not Parks football
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Yep and like I say if he’s not ready I can’t see how he would ever be. We’ve clearly made the decision to retain him as cover for defensive mid and now there’s a big gap in that position.
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On the odd occasion I’ve seen him in his Prem. cameos, he’s looked very composed. Ideal time for him to step up.
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It's now or never for Tim. Either he gets given the opportunity and challenge of playing first team football at the highest level right now - and if he does get given the opportunity he thrives on it - or, alternatively, his progression stalls and he simply doesn't get to make it at this level, certainly not with us anyway.
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In an ideal world, he'd be building up his minutes with sub appearances in the last 15-30 minutes of games, but it's not an ideal world and we don't have that option. Unai either uses him as a direct replacement, or he messes with a different position as well to juggle his midfield from his other senior pros. Personally, I'd prefer to see Tim used as a like-for-like, and leave the other players in the positions that have led to us challenging for the top four. It might not work, it might be too big a step up for him. But if we never try, we'll never know.
If Unai was of the mind that he'll never be a Premier League midfielder, I don't think Dendoncker would have left in January - so let's see what he can do.
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I hope he goes with Tim and we keep the shape we had against Man Utd. We oooked very balanced and it wouldn’t compromise McGinn’s role. It may mean Dougie is a little more deeper and having less impact further forward. Like others have said, let’s give him a go and see what he is capable of.
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can't see him leaving Tielemans out
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To be honest if now isn’t the time for him to play I’m not sure when it ever will be.
Without wanting to be a twat, the answer to that is when he's ready. If they put him today without him being ready it could set hm back and cost us a very important game. I trust Emery to make the right call either way, but it can go wrong. I remember the game v Man City earlier win the season when we overran Rico Lewis - that was a key part of our success v them I thought. That can happen when you play kids regardless of how good they might be.
If he's ready, he'll play. If he's not, he won't.
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can't see him leaving Tielemans out
May play him as a 10 off of Watkins.
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Would think Unai will go:
Emi
Cash Lenglet Torres Digne
McGinn Luiz TIM Ramsey
Bailey Watkins
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Would think Unai will go:
Emi
Cash Lenglet Torres Digne
McGinn Luiz TIM Ramsey
Bailey Watkins
Agreed the four midfielders are all capable of tucking in so we *shouldn’t* get overloaded which will help Tim.
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Big opportunity for him today, Emery letting the Donk go pushed him up the pecking order and expects him to be ready. I know it was garbled English but I thought Emery was clear that in professional football the time to impress is now.
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Whether that means he will start today is another matter, Emery was also quite complementary about the versatility of J Mac and Youri, too. I'd like to see Timmy Irons start but with the nature of our recent results I'd not be suprised to see either of the other 2 starting in midfield.
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Big opportunity for him today, Emery letting the Donk go pushed him up the pecking order and expects him to be ready. I know it was garbled English but I thought Emery was clear that in professional football the time to impress is now.
Yes, I got the impression from Unai press conference that Tim would be starting today.
If so, good luck young man and grab the opportunity with both hands. You will be living most of our dreams.
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Ha, on the bench.
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He's not really a DM so not sure why there's endless demands for him to replace Kamara.
Seems his role at QPR last season was more in the style of McGinn so get the feeling he'll end up being the long term replacement unless we buy Conor Gallagher or someone like that from abroad.
QPR fans who watched him week in week out said his best games were box to box so I'm not convinced he'd do that well if we were to throw him into that position for the run in.
Need to be giving him longer run outs from the bench though.
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He's not really a DM so not sure why there's endless demands for him to replace Kamara.
Seems his role at QPR last season was more in the style of McGinn so get the feeling he'll end up being the long term replacement unless we buy Conor Gallagher or someone like that from abroad.
QPR fans who watched him week in week out said his best games were box to box so I'm not convinced he'd do that well if we were to throw him into that position for the run in.
Need to be giving him longer run outs from the bench though.
I read that QPR fans felt his best position woulld eventually be a 6. Disappointed he is not starting as its always harder finding a rhythm when coming off the bench.
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Or just watch the world's oldest 26 year old get overrun in midfield.
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Stuck a long leg out to make a good tackle in his couple of minutes on the pitch. Still think starting him is better than at the end because the games are so frantic at that point. Thankfully Emery was right, I was wrong.
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Ha, on the bench.
He's never getting ahead of Tielemans unless he's injured
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Nice cameo
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He'll be used to shore things up until the Conference League games then get a full run out (making one big assumption here).
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Who played the deep role today?
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He's not really a DM so not sure why there's endless demands for him to replace Kamara.
Seems his role at QPR last season was more in the style of McGinn so get the feeling he'll end up being the long term replacement unless we buy Conor Gallagher or someone like that from abroad.
QPR fans who watched him week in week out said his best games were box to box so I'm not convinced he'd do that well if we were to throw him into that position for the run in.
Need to be giving him longer run outs from the bench though.
I read that QPR fans felt his best position woulld eventually be a 6. Disappointed he is not starting as its always harder finding a rhythm when coming off the bench.
It was only after Beale left QPR and with Tim becoming such an important player for them was he pushed further forward. DM is his best and natural position. He's not afraid to bring the ball forward but anybody expecting him to become a Villa box-to-box player should prepare themselves for disappointment.
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He'll be used to shore things up until the Conference League games then get a full run out (making one big assumption here).
I thought he was not in the CL squad.
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Who played the deep role today?
McGinn was the deep midfielder along with Doug with Tielmans, Ramsey and Bailey playing behind Watkins.
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He'll be used to shore things up until the Conference League games then get a full run out (making one big assumption here).
I thought he was not in the CL squad.
I thought homegrown kids don't need to be listed.
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He's not been with us long enough to be classified as home grown. If he was in the squad it would be at the expense of someone more experienced.
He'll be in the squad for the next set of games.
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He'll be used to shore things up until the Conference League games then get a full run out (making one big assumption here).
I thought he was not in the CL squad.
I thought homegrown kids don't need to be listed.
They still need to be "listed" and this is the full list. (Note Chrisene and Feeney are still listed even though they are not currently at the club).
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
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He's not been with us long enough to be classified as home grown. If he was in the squad it would be at the expense of someone more experienced.
He'll be in the squad for the next set of games.
He doesn’t need to have been with us to qualify as home grown for UEFA - home grown is classed as any academy in the same country.
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He'll be used to shore things up until the Conference League games then get a full run out (making one big assumption here).
I thought he was not in the CL squad.
I thought homegrown kids don't need to be listed.
They still need to be "listed" and this is the full list. (Note Chrisene and Feeney are still listed even though they are not currently at the club).
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/clubs/52683--aston-villa/squad/
Where's Chambers?
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Irogbunam will be used like he was today . He'll be sold in the summer so no point getting too excited
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I don't think so..
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Me neither.
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There was a really good bit of play from him where we could have easily lost it in midfield, but he calmly got control of it and progressed forward. It was excellent from him.
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There was a really good bit of play from him where we could have easily lost it in midfield, but he calmly got control of it and progressed forward. It was excellent from him.
Agreed Paul, he wasn't on long but looked composed for a few minutes anyway.
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Any idea whether we'll be able to update that list before the next round starts?
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Irogbunam will be used like he was today . He'll be sold in the summer so no point getting too excited
Fucking hell .
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Irogbunam will be used like he was today . He'll be sold in the summer so no point getting too excited
Not a chance.
Especially with Kamara being injured.
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Time will tell, I have no faith in them keeping any of the youngsters anymore
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Irogbunam will be used like he was today . He'll be sold in the summer so no point getting too excited
Fucking hell .
Just block him.
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Any idea whether we'll be able to update that list before the next round starts?
That is the updated list. Had to be in place by either 1st Feb, or a time before the round of matches started Thursday. Hence why Dendocker is missing from it now and replaced by Gauci and Roberts. Although scanning it now, Tim is in the list. I honestly thought he wasn't.
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Any idea whether we'll be able to update that list before the next round starts?
That is the updated list. Had to be in place by either 1st Feb, or a time before the round of matches started Thursday. Hence why Dendocker is missing from it now and replaced by Gauci and Roberts. Although scanning it now, Tim is in the list. I honestly thought he wasn't.
I assume you mean Rogers.
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Yep.
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No worries, just double checking I hadn't missed one of the youth players.
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With four games in 10 days coming up, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tim Iroegbunam start a game. I think there's even a chance he'll be afforded minutes in today's match against Luton and in the games coming up have utilise the squad.
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
He's a DM who likes to put in a tackle and we were being reffed as if it was a non-contact sport (but only for us) of course he gave away a lot of free kicks.
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
He's a DM who likes to put in a tackle and we were being reffed as if it was a non-contact sport (but only for us) of course he gave away a lot of free kicks.
The ref was overly harsh, but Tim did also commit dumb fouls.
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Tough game for timmy to come into but he wasnt very good today. But he needs time
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
He's a DM who likes to put in a tackle and we were being reffed as if it was a non-contact sport (but only for us) of course he gave away a lot of free kicks.
The ref was overly harsh, but Tim did also commit dumb fouls.
The same sort of dumb fouls that teams like Man City, Arsenal, etc commit to break the game up and take control away from the opposition. The most important point is that he stopped them getting any play through Barkley. He did the job we needed him to. It wouldn't have worked for much longer than he got but he definitely played a part in us taking back control and getting our 3rd.
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I think he got better towards the end, but the initial fouls he gave away were exactly what Luton were looking for. Also whether Citeh or Arsenal get away with it is kind of irrelevant, we weren’t and we needed to be smarter. As I say though he got better towards the end, and if he’d come on before we’d given the lead away it would have been easier for him.
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
Headless chicken cameo . Did well not to get booked
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
He's a DM who likes to put in a tackle and we were being reffed as if it was a non-contact sport (but only for us) of course he gave away a lot of free kicks.
The ref was overly harsh, but Tim did also commit dumb fouls.
The same sort of dumb fouls that teams like Man City, Arsenal, etc commit to break the game up and take control away from the opposition. The most important point is that he stopped them getting any play through Barkley. He did the job we needed him to. It wouldn't have worked for much longer than he got but he definitely played a part in us taking back control and getting our 3rd.
Giving out foolish free kicks. Emery will be furious, since the set piece was their biggest threat. Let's be honest: he struggled to get into the game and was uninspiring. Not a bad player, just raw and a peek of how he isn't quite ready for a start, despite my and many others' high expectations.
Today he just looked overawed or a loss of pace of the game, and of course it was just a role of the bench today, but he's no where near clever today doing tactical fouls, they were dumb ones or ones where he was outskilled. So I think people are being very biassed by saying he was being tactical.
He looked like a teenager in man's game ,he's 20 now and still learning but needs to wise up. I still carry hopes.
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Giving out foolish free kicks. Emery will be furious, since the set piece was their biggest threat. Let's be honest: he struggled to get into the game and was uninspiring. Not a bad player, just raw and a peek of how he isn't quite ready for a start, despite my and many others' high expectations.
Today he just looked overawed or a loss of pace of the game, and of course it was just a role of the bench today, but he's no where near clever today doing tactical fouls, they were dumb ones or ones where he was outskilled. So I think people are being very biassed by saying he was being tactical.
He looked like a teenager in man's game ,he's 20 now and still learning but needs to wise up. I still carry hopes.
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I didn't say tactical, I said they're the sort of fouls that break up play that lots of clubs use in those circumstances. I think Tim was put on to play his game and get in peoples faces to stop them having time to spray the ball out to the wings, which he did. It's not about whethger he played well or not, it's that we didn't have that physical presence in there and adding it gave us back some of the control we'd been missing (after he took a few minutes to get up to speed with a game that had become quite frenetic.
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
Headless chicken cameo . Did well not to get booked
Yep, seems as though everyone was on the refs back he kept his card in his pocket given Tim gave away 3/4 stupid, clumsy fouls.
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Occasion seems to have got to him coming in v Luton all Timmy did was foul.
Headless chicken cameo . Did well not to get booked
Yep, seems as though everyone was on the refs back he kept his card in his pocket given Tim gave away 3/4 stupid, clumsy fouls.
2 fouls, not 3 or 4. How some of oyu are going on he'll have been lucky not to get a red card by tomorrow morning.
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Thought it was 3 fouls and as you all seem to be adamant the ref had a personal vendetta against us it was surprising a card wasn’t given to him imo.
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Thought it was 3 fouls and as you all seem to be adamant the ref had a personal vendetta against us it was surprising a card wasn’t given to him imo.
yeah he gave 3 fouls away very quickly , was getting too tight to his man all the time . A proper rabbit in the headlights today
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Thought it was 3 fouls and as you all seem to be adamant the ref had a personal vendetta against us it was surprising a card wasn’t given to him imo.
yeah he gave 3 fouls away very quickly , was getting too tight to his man all the time . A proper rabbit in the headlights today
No he gave away 2 fouls, it's not hard to check.
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Giving out foolish free kicks. Emery will be furious, since the set piece was their biggest threat. Let's be honest: he struggled to get into the game and was uninspiring. Not a bad player, just raw and a peek of how he isn't quite ready for a start, despite my and many others' high expectations.
Today he just looked overawed or a loss of pace of the game, and of course it was just a role of the bench today, but he's no where near clever today doing tactical fouls, they were dumb ones or ones where he was outskilled. So I think people are being very biassed by saying he was being tactical.
He looked like a teenager in man's game ,he's 20 now and still learning but needs to wise up. I still carry hopes.
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I didn't say tactical, I said they're the sort of fouls that break up play that lots of clubs use in those circumstances. I think Tim was put on to play his game and get in peoples faces to stop them having time to spray the ball out to the wings, which he did. It's not about whethger he played well or not, it's that we didn't have that physical presence in there and adding it gave us back some of the control we'd been missing (after he took a few minutes to get up to speed with a game that had become quite frenetic.
Come off this it doesn't make sense that you're talking as if someone else other than Emery is manager.
How can an inexperienced 20 year old be the player to bring back control ? He's only just learning to play Emerys football.
He was brought on due to Rogers yellow card.
It was an initially 3 subbed raised to four.
I also hardly think Emery is asking players to get in peoples faces.
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Giving out foolish free kicks. Emery will be furious, since the set piece was their biggest threat. Let's be honest: he struggled to get into the game and was uninspiring. Not a bad player, just raw and a peek of how he isn't quite ready for a start, despite my and many others' high expectations.
Today he just looked overawed or a loss of pace of the game, and of course it was just a role of the bench today, but he's no where near clever today doing tactical fouls, they were dumb ones or ones where he was outskilled. So I think people are being very biassed by saying he was being tactical.
He looked like a teenager in man's game ,he's 20 now and still learning but needs to wise up. I still carry hopes.
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I didn't say tactical, I said they're the sort of fouls that break up play that lots of clubs use in those circumstances. I think Tim was put on to play his game and get in peoples faces to stop them having time to spray the ball out to the wings, which he did. It's not about whethger he played well or not, it's that we didn't have that physical presence in there and adding it gave us back some of the control we'd been missing (after he took a few minutes to get up to speed with a game that had become quite frenetic.
Come off this it doesn't make sense that you're talking as if someone else other than Emery is manager.
How can an inexperienced 20 year old be the player to bring back control ? He's only just learning to play Emerys football.
He was brought on due to Rogers yellow card.
It was an initially 3 subbed raised to four.
I also hardly think Emery is asking players to get in peoples faces.
Stop acting like you know everything about Emery, most of your predictions turn out to be utter bullshit and you regularly claim he'll be angry about things when there is no evidence of it. Kamara regularly does a job of getting tight to players and taking them out of the game, for someone who claims to be so knowledgable it's telling how you've completely missed that.
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Was rash today. One free kick was on the edge of our own box so no big deal but then a minute later he gave away one 30 yards out which wasn't clever given the issues Luton were causing us from set pieces.
He'll need to learn that.
If Ramsey is out it will be interesting to see how we set up v Spurs. Diaby seems probable after his fantastic cross but UE hasn't played two attackers alongside Ollie against a top level team for quite a while so maybe we'll bring Tim in from the start and shift SJM out wide.
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Showed today clearly why Emery isn't starting him in EPL games.
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So do we reckon Tim will get any starts between now and the end of the season? With McGinn out on Sunday, it was fairly telling that Emery didn't trust Iroegbunam enough yet.
I know he needs a run of starts before he can be judged but we're not in a position to let him make mistakes as he establishes himself. Not writing him off at all but I haven't seen too much in his cameos to date to suggest he can perform at this level.
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So do we reckon Tim will get any starts between now and the end of the season? With McGinn out on Sunday, it was fairly telling that Emery didn't trust Iroegbunam enough yet.
I know he needs a run of starts before he can be judged but we're not in a position to let him make mistakes as he establishes himself. Not writing him off at all but I haven't seen too much in his cameos to date to suggest he can perform at this level.
I can't see him starting at all, injuries permitting. He's played barely any football at this level and hasn't played regular first team football since QPR and that was cute short by injuries.
More of the same I'd reckon, getting 10-15 mins here and there towards the end of matches whilst he tries to establish himself.
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I reckon he will get a start or two at some point.
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He's not getting in front of Tielemans anytime soon , so unless there is more injuries or Luiz gets suspended etc he won't get a start.
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Considering he plays in a completely different position to Tielemans, it's a bit of a no brainer. His problem is Unai obviously doesn't trust him to play the defensive midfield role. I expect he'll be sold in the summer.
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Considering he plays in a completely different position to Tielemans, it's a bit of a no brainer. His problem is Unai obviously doesn't trust him to play the defensive midfield role. I expect he'll be sold in the summer.
Yep, agree completely. Don't think Unai thinks much of him to be honest. If he's not going to get a chance with our current midfield options, he never is.
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The kid is just 20 year's old and Unai has already said he want's to work with him. He wouldn't have started him away at Ajax otherwise or let Donk go. Think we'll see more of him next season personally.
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The kid is just 20 year's old and Unai has already said he want's to work with him. He wouldn't have started him away at Ajax otherwise or let Donk go. Think we'll see more of him next season personally.
I think there's a degree of truth in what Risso said, this is absolutely his golden chance, and I think Unai's talking him up in press conferences has been part of an attempt to gee him up to grab the opportunity.
It is only going to get tougher going forward.
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The kid is just 20 year's old and Unai has already said he want's to work with him. He wouldn't have started him away at Ajax otherwise or let Donk go. Think we'll see more of him next season personally.
I think there's a degree of truth in what Clampy says. Unless Donk is earning shitloads, and we needed to get some of his wages off our books, Emery has sorry of thrown his hat in on Tim and said ' Go grab the opportunity'. He hasn't been revelatory ... but he hasn't been rubbish.
Let's wait and see.
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I think Clampy is taking people suggesting he’s struggled (entirely unsurprising given the circumstances) as them saying he’s rubbish. Which is not the same thing.
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The kid is just 20 year's old and Unai has already said he want's to work with him. He wouldn't have started him away at Ajax otherwise or let Donk go. Think we'll see more of him next season personally.
I think there's a degree of truth in what Clampy says. Unless Donk is earning shitloads, and we needed to get some of his wages off our books, Emery has sorry of thrown his hat in on Tim and said ' Go grab the opportunity'. He hasn't been revelatory ... but he hasn't been rubbish.
Let's wait and see.
He's barely been given minutes at all though and has had a long period of not starting any matches at all, imo he's being slowly phased in as throwing a 20 year old in to start without minutes behind him would be reckless and pretty unfair really. He had surgery in May and so won't have started since for almost 10 months. Emery has publicly shown faith in him and is allowing him to grow in to the squad
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I agree with most comments but other teams throw great young players into the mix - always seems "he is only young" as an excuse we use
Maybe he is just not good enough?
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Again, young kid we've seen little of so far so completely unfair to write off but my impression is that whilst he's tidy on the ball he's also either a bit too slow or lacks urgency (which was what pissed me off with Chuk when he was given a chance). If he's a bit slow then it might be difficult to overcome (unless you have Gareth Barry's technique and reading of the game to make up for it), but if it's a lack of urgency you can put down to his age and we could drill this into him.
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I was merely saying that if Unai didn't fancy him (as been suggested) then maybe he would have been the one to go out on loan, not Donk.
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I was merely saying that if Unai didn't fancy him (as been suggested) then maybe he would have been the one to go out on loan, not Donk.
Surely that was more to do with FFP.
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I was merely saying that if Unai didn't fancy him (as been suggested) then maybe he would have been the one to go out on loan, not Donk.
Surely that was more to do with FFP.
I am sure that had a lot to do with it.
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I don’t even think he’s struggled like some of you are making out, no more than other more experienced players have in the same games
If it’s a choice between Tim and Donk I’d take Tim every time
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I don’t even think he’s struggled like some of you are making out, no more than other more experienced players have in the same games
If it’s a choice between Tim and Donk I’d take Tim every time
Is that based on hope? Because Donk is no more than ok, but I haven’t seen anything from Tim yet to suggest he’s better. That’s not to say he won’t be, but he hasn’t shown a great deal yet.
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It seems we’re a little quick to write player's off at times.
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Just to be clear I’m not necessarily writing him off, more saying as yet I haven’t really seen anything.
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Exactly, whereas at least with the Donk, even though his turning circle rivals that of our former centre back Dicky Dunne, he's also experienced enough to break-up play pretty well.
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I don’t even think he’s struggled like some of you are making out, no more than other more experienced players have in the same games
If it’s a choice between Tim and Donk I’d take Tim every time
No idea how you can come up with that . Donk is a full international and experienced and had some exceptional games with us (Newcastle H 3-0 is an example).
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What a strike!
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1771228812421800129?s=20
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Have it!
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Holy God!
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Some strike.
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He’s hit that.
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I don’t even think he’s struggled like some of you are making out, no more than other more experienced players have in the same games
If it’s a choice between Tim and Donk I’d take Tim every time
No idea how you can come up with that . Donk is a full international and experienced and had some exceptional games with us (Newcastle H 3-0 is an example).
Bang average maybe not even that now
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What a great strike! I didn't even know Tim had that in his locker.
Might be being harsh but I would be slightly disappointed in my keeper for not getting anything on it.
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What a great strike! I didn't even know Tim had that in his locker.
Might be being harsh but I would be slightly disappointed in my keeper for not getting anything on it.
He's our keeper.
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Tim is a tall CM and can play the 6 or 8 role. Probably better at 8. A good shot from distance, and moves really well with the ball. He has a good touch and is able to pick a pass. I liked him as he had a bit of an edge, not a nasty streak, but would take a yellow card without worry. He won't be phased by playing first team football.
Last year he was WBA Academy PoY by a distance.
'A good shot from distance' - cough, cough.
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What was his confidence like Rotterdam?
Emery has talked him up a lot but has hardly played him so I was wondering if he was trying to boost his self esteem/arrogance.
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Good Dante.
Timbo has a lot of self confidence and belief. Playing in the PL wouldn't faze him and being in and around the England set up can only help.
Interesting fact:Tim can sign due to both parents being deaf.
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Tim is a tall CM and can play the 6 or 8 role. Probably better at 8. A good shot from distance, and moves really well with the ball. He has a good touch and is able to pick a pass. I liked him as he had a bit of an edge, not a nasty streak, but would take a yellow card without worry. He won't be phased by playing first team football.
Last year he was WBA Academy PoY by a distance.
'A good shot from distance' - cough, cough.
He also supplied an assist for the third goal.
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Good Dante.
Timbo has a lot of self confidence and belief. Playing in the PL wouldn't faze him and being in and around the England set up can only help.
Interesting fact:Tim can sign due to both parents being deaf.
Thank you Rotterdam.
No idea why but I feel invested in Tim, possibly more than the other youngsters, I’d love him to become our Declan Rice.
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Good Dante.
Timbo has a lot of self confidence and belief. Playing in the PL wouldn't faze him and being in and around the England set up can only help.
Interesting fact: Tim can sign due to both parents being deaf.
Wow, that is an interesting titbit.
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So he is a CODA then?
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I had to look it up, but yes is the answer.
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What a great strike! I didn't even know Tim had that in his locker.
Might be being harsh but I would be slightly disappointed in my keeper for not getting anything on it.
He's our keeper.
Only just realised that.
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What a great strike! I didn't even know Tim had that in his locker.
Might be being harsh but I would be slightly disappointed in my keeper for not getting anything on it.
He's our keeper.
Only just realised that.
What’s his name
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Good Dante.
Timbo has a lot of self confidence and belief. Playing in the PL wouldn't faze him and being in and around the England set up can only help.
Interesting fact: Tim can sign due to both parents being deaf.
Wow, that is an interesting titbit.
Great factoid Rotters!
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Good Dante.
Timbo has a lot of self confidence and belief. Playing in the PL wouldn't faze him and being in and around the England set up can only help.
Interesting fact: Tim can sign due to both parents being deaf.
Wow, that is an interesting titbit.
Great factoid Rotters!
Tim can sign what?
EDIT: Bloody hell, just read the CODA bit. I thought the above post said ‘dead’.
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What a great strike! I didn't even know Tim had that in his locker.
Might be being harsh but I would be slightly disappointed in my keeper for not getting anything on it.
He's our keeper.
Only just realised that.
What’s his name
Oliwier Zych.
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Good little cameo from Tim today. Hope we keep hold of him and he gets a bit more game time.
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He pulled off one fantastic ball winning tackle tonight to stop a Wolves attack. I like the look of this lad.
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Good little cameo from Tim today. Hope we keep hold of him and he gets a bit more game time.
He has those extra skills needed to turn a good destroying CDM into a Rolls Royce type one...
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He pulled off one fantastic ball winning tackle tonight to stop a Wolves attack. I like the look of this lad.
He did, it was great. I hope he takes great confidence from that as we need more of that in our midfield.
Kamara and Doug are more classy, it’s only McGinn who does the brutish ratting stuff consistently.
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I still think it's more than likely that we'll have to sell him, but I agree he looks like he could develop into a very good player.
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Started v Man City could The Institute TI start against Arsenal ?
Likely given circumstances.
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I still think it's more than likely that we'll have to sell him, but I agree he looks like he could develop into a very good player.
Given the choice of either Tim or Tielemans playing as the replacement to Kamara, I'm really disappointed Unai never gave Tim the chance. Throwing him in against Man City in a team that had so many changes was unlikely to see him at his best. Playing with McGinn and Dougie is where he should be judged. That said I was a bit disappointed that when he has played he tends to play more zonal than picking up a player. I'll put that down to instruction rather than his lack of understanding the basics. He may only be 20 but he has a very mature head on him.
Yesterday was another example of why I'm struggling to understand why Unai is playing Tielemans back as a DCM. Apart from the 5 minutes before he was substituted, he may as well have not been on the pitch. His strength is further up the pitch and Unai is doing neither him or the team any favours not playing him there, either starting or from the bench.
Looking back to our form in 2023, the key to our success was our brilliant midfield. We dominated the area which was the reason we had both a great defence and scored goals for fun. Losing Kamara was obviously huge but rather than replace like for like-light, Unai decided to insist on banging in square pegs into round holes. Some times it worked, other times it hasn't been great. What I can say is that our midfield hasn't looked anything close to the brilliant well oiled machine he built last year.
Call it hindsight or knee jerk off after another disappointing result but right now I'm looking to file it as a missed opportunity.
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He'll surely get a start now with Luiz out.
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The worrying thing is that he clearly doesn't fancy Iroegbunam, even though there is a glaring hole in the team in his position.
If he did, he would give him minutes, like he has Rogers pretty much straight after joining.
Same with Duran, when the opportunity has arisen.
Along with 18 year old Kellyman, to a lesser extent.
He seems to trust all three of those young players.
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The worrying thing is that he clearly doesn't fancy Iroegbunam, even though there is a glaring hole in the team in his position.
If he did, he would give him minutes, like he has Rogers pretty much straight after joining.
Same with Duran, when the opportunity has arisen.
Along with 18 year old Kellyman, to a lesser extent.
He seems to trust all three of those young players.
He started him away at Ajax and Man City so he does see something in him.
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I still think it's more than likely that we'll have to sell him, but I agree he looks like he could develop into a very good player.
Given the choice of either Tim or Tielemans playing as the replacement to Kamara, I'm really disappointed Unai never gave Tim the chance. Throwing him in against Man City in a team that had so many changes was unlikely to see him at his best. Playing with McGinn and Dougie is where he should be judged. That said I was a bit disappointed that when he has played he tends to play more zonal than picking up a player. I'll put that down to instruction rather than his lack of understanding the basics. He may only be 20 but he has a very mature head on him.
Yesterday was another example of why I'm struggling to understand why Unai is playing Tielemans back as a DCM. Apart from the 5 minutes before he was substituted, he may as well have not been on the pitch. His strength is further up the pitch and Unai is doing neither him or the team any favours not playing him there, either starting or from the bench.
Looking back to our form in 2023, the key to our success was our brilliant midfield. We dominated the area which was the reason we had both a great defence and scored goals for fun. Losing Kamara was obviously huge but rather than replace like for like-light, Unai decided to insist on banging in square pegs into round holes. Some times it worked, other times it hasn't been great. What I can say is that our midfield hasn't looked anything close to the brilliant well oiled machine he built last year.
Call it hindsight or knee jerk off after another disappointing result but right now I'm looking to file it as a missed opportunity.
Agree, Rudy. Well argued, mate.
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McGinn playing further forward than Tielemans confused me. Especially as he had done fairly well there in Kamara’s absence.
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The manager just dosen't think he's ready. Or dosen't believe in himself enough which is what I read into the training comments a few weeks ago.
I think after already having a season long loan he's highly likely to be sold in the summer as we'll surely get another DM in and Kamara will be back around December.
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I think he'll be sold. Haven't seen anything in him that makes me think he'd become a good premier league level player.
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I'd rather sell Tim that one of our bigger stars. Regardless of whether he's going to make it or not. Buy back clause can be inserted.
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I think we’ve missed the opportunity to get him up to speed this season. I decent preseason might mean we do not need to buy a Kamara replacement. fingers crossed.
we need some luck from somewhere.
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The manager just dosen't think he's ready. Or dosen't believe in himself enough which is what I read into the training comments a few weeks ago.
I think after already having a season long loan he's highly likely to be sold in the summer as we'll surely get another DM in and Kamara will be back around December.
I don't think it will be until February that he's actually involved in first team games.
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I think we’ve missed the opportunity to get him up to speed this season. I decent preseason might mean we do not need to buy a Kamara replacement. fingers crossed.
we need some luck from somewhere.
Yeah, hopefully he will show a little of what Philogene showed last summer.
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I think that there are some positions that are riskier than others to bring young players into. Where Iroegbunam plays is one of them.
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McGinn playing further forward than Tielemans confused me. Especially as he had done fairly well there in Kamara’s absence.
That’s was the opinion of some of us watching from the LTR as well. When the rot set in in the second half, swapping SJM and Youri would have made things a bit more solid.
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Is he worth selling? Hard to know how high his ceiling is and defensive midfielders can be harder to judge at an earlier age. I worry we'd get comparative peanuts for him (ie £10m) so we might be better off working on him and giving him more minutes to prove himself next season.
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I think that there are some positions that are riskier than others to bring young players into. Where Iroegbunam plays is one of them.
I think it is also one if the most difficult positions to learn.
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McGinn playing further forward than Tielemans confused me. Especially as he had done fairly well there in Kamara’s absence.
Think the logic was that McGinn is better pressing from the front than Tielemans. But that could and should have been switched up.
Aswell as some players struggling for form/feeling the pressure, I think Emery has made some odd decisions lately too.
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Very strange that he hasn't been given the opportunity to step into Kamara's position.
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I think we’ve missed the opportunity to get him up to speed this season. I decent preseason might mean we do not need to buy a Kamara replacement. fingers crossed.
we need some luck from somewhere.
Yeah, hopefully he will show a little of what Philogene showed last summer.
Philogene is a good example also in the sense that if we sold Iroegbunam now, we risk selling him for a lot less than he would be worth a year or two later. I really think we need to sign a quality DM and then loan this lad out for a year. Either that or we keep him around for the first half of the season and then loan him out the second half of the season when Kamara should be getting close to being back.
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I think we’ve missed the opportunity to get him up to speed this season. I decent preseason might mean we do not need to buy a Kamara replacement. fingers crossed.
Yeah, hopefully he will show a little of what Philogene showed last summer.
Philogene is a good example also in the sense that if we sold Iroegbunam now, we risk selling him for a lot less than he would be worth a year or two later. I really think we need to sign a quality DM and then loan this lad out for a year. Either that or we keep him around for the first half of the season and then loan him out the second half of the season when Kamara should be getting close to being back.
Agreed.
Is he worth selling? Hard to know how high his ceiling is and defensive midfielders can be harder to judge at an earlier age. I worry we'd get comparative peanuts for him (ie £10m) so we might be better off working on him and giving him more minutes to prove himself next season.
I don't think so because he has the ability that turns good destroyers into top players in their position due to his comfort on the ball & his ability to carry the ball forward.
I would hope that we keep him, but maybe have a more experienced destroyer brought in, possibly on loan to allow Iroegbunam to become fully ready.
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I think that there are some positions that are riskier than others to bring young players into. Where Iroegbunam plays is one of them.
I think it is also one if the most difficult positions to learn.
Absolutely, especially under Emery. There's a lot of movement, covering defensive positions etc too. Luiz gives away free-kicks in dangerous areas because he's not the best at it. Kamara on the other hand, is 24 now and learning and adapting well.
Gut feeling is that Emery (like most other managers) prefers experience in that role, there are rarely young players who play it.
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I think that there are some positions that are riskier than others to bring young players into. Where Iroegbunam plays is one of them.
I think it is also one if the most difficult positions to learn.
Absolutely, especially under Emery. There's a lot of movement, covering defensive positions etc too. Luiz gives away free-kicks in dangerous areas because he's not the best at it. Kamara on the other hand, is 24 now and learning and adapting well.
Gut feeling is that Emery (like most other managers) prefers experience in that role, there are rarely young players who play it.
Kamara's importance to our play has been evident by the number of goals we've shipped since he got injured. We're shipping over 2 goals a game since he got injured. We were at 1.3 per game for the season up to the point he got injured. That's the equivalent of EIGHT goals fewer since he got injured.
Now, I'm not suggesting it's entirely down to his injury, but the role he plays in breaking things up, and dropping into the backline when needed is a difficult one for someone to come in and replicate immediately, and I think it's showing not only in goals against, but also in chances/shots conceded.
Unai clearly doesn't trust Tim to do it from the start just yet. Though his hand might be forced with Dougie missing the next two. Let's see what he can do, we might have a Mainoo on our hands?
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I hope you're right. Mainoo is one of the exceptions of the game.
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Mainoo's finish was reminiscent of Macheda against us, I think this guy will have more longevity.
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Isn’t Mainoo playing more like an 8 with Casimero doing the holding? Either way I’m not sure either can be held up as exemplars of the trade considering how many shots Man U give up.
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Isn’t Mainoo playing more like an 8 with Casimero doing the holding? Either way I’m not sure either can be held up as exemplars of the trade considering how many shots Man U give up.
Yeah, the whole issue with him playing alongside Rice for England is that he's not really a proper DM, and as you say it is probably why they concede so many chances (with Casimero showing his age).
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Isn’t Mainoo playing more like an 8 with Casimero doing the holding? Either way I’m not sure either can be held up as exemplars of the trade considering how many shots Man U give up.
Yeah, look at the position he was in when he received the ball from Fatty’s overhead kick at the start of the move for his goal. That’s no CDM bro.
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With Douglas Luiz suspended I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one start for Iroegbunam in next couple of league matches.
Now he started against Manchester City away if I recall and he could well start against Arsenal away.
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I think the substitutions were an indicator of the team he'll play Sunday.