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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on January 24, 2022, 02:29:09 PM
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Archer to Preston North End.
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Bidace at Stoke City.
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Davis at Nottingham Forest.
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Caleb Chuk at Livingston.
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Aaron Ramsey at Cheltenham Town.
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What happened to the Loanwatch August-January thread ?
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Finn Azaz is doing well at Newport. Looks good when I’ve seen highlights although it is League 2. Interesting that we signed him from Albion and then loaned him straight out for the season.
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Frédéric Guilbert at Strasbourg
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Indiana Vassilev at Inter Miami CF.
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Indiana Vassilev at Inter Miami CF.
He's back now.
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AEG to Everton.
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Arjan Raikhy at Grimsby Town
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Is this a game of name the Villa-paid player at another club?
We want answers. How are they doing? Are they behaving themselves in their digs with their new mums etc. ?
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Indiana Vassilev at Inter Miami CF.
He's back now.
That was quick!
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Caleb Chukwuemeka only managed 45 minutes for Livingston before getting hooked.
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Da Wiki says that Indy returned after the MLS season finished in November.
I doubt that he was eligible to play for Villa again until the current transfer window, but maybe we'll see him in some U23 games now.
I'd forgotten how young he is. Not 21 until next month
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Caleb Chukwuemeka only managed 45 minutes for Livingston before getting hooked.
And they were winning at the time, so either he got a knock, or was not very good at all in the first 45 mins.
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Caleb Chukwuemeka only managed 45 minutes for Livingston before getting hooked.
And they were winning at the time, so either he got a knock, or was not very good at all in the first 45 mins.
Not very good according to their manager. Talk of needing to adapt to Scottish football and understanding how he wants him to play.
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I think that's slightly unfair, the comments were about him needing to be tougher. The main reason he's on loan is to learn how physical senior football will be (he is a bit ahead having played 6 months ni league 2 but the SPL is a big step up from that) so I doubt it's been a surprise to him or the club that he found it difficult. He's a big lad, I think he'll adapt pretty quickly.
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Mungo Bridge at Annecy FC in France.
They're pushing for promotion from Championnat National (3rd tier in France), but he doesn't seem to be getting many minutes at all - only looks to have made 2 appearances
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Caleb was bullied at times by Stourbridge so I’m not surprised it may take a while in the SPL.
I’m not holding my breath on this one but would be great if he steps up.
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Goal for Davis. Well taken, albeit shambolic defending.
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Get in Davis, he’s done well there so far.
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Goal for Davis. Well taken, albeit shambolic defending.
Well, I’ve just eaten the peak of my hat and I must say it tasted delicious. Makes such a change from Gerrard related humble pie.
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Get in Davis, he’s done well there so far.
He's quite popular with the fans (I have a couple of Forest-supporting mates), but he's played in four games and they've won all of them, so the whole team is popular with the fans right now.
If he carries on like this to the end of the season and gets himself 5 or 6 goals, he'll have done well and will have more than a few suitors wanting to take him. If he can push on and get 8 or 9 goals he could demand quite a reasonable fee I would imagine.
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It would be great to see Forest come up. And if KD contributes to it, scores a few in the process, then a permanent move would be a brilliant way for that story to end. And a new chapter for him to begin.
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No chance they'll get promoted. They're doomed to the Championship forever.
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Get in Davis, he’s done well there so far.
He's quite popular with the fans (I have a couple of Forest-supporting mates), but he's played in four games and they've won all of them, so the whole team is popular with the fans right now.
If he carries on like this to the end of the season and gets himself 5 or 6 goals, he'll have done well and will have more than a few suitors wanting to take him. If he can push on and get 8 or 9 goals he could demand quite a reasonable fee I would imagine.
Or play for us.
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Get in Davis, he’s done well there so far.
He's quite popular with the fans (I have a couple of Forest-supporting mates), but he's played in four games and they've won all of them, so the whole team is popular with the fans right now.
If he carries on like this to the end of the season and gets himself 5 or 6 goals, he'll have done well and will have more than a few suitors wanting to take him. If he can push on and get 8 or 9 goals he could demand quite a reasonable fee I would imagine.
Or play for us.
I've a feeling he's going to be off at the end of the season almost regardless of how he does.
I reckon we've got room in the squad for about 3 strikers. Any more than that, they won't really play. Any fewer and you're leaving yourself without cover if an injury crisis hits. You've also got to take it that Gerrard's job depends on him getting us in to Europe - whether that's this season, next season, or the season after that.
Watkins, to me, is nailed on in that group of 3. There's no way we're selling him in the next 18 months. So there's 1 place gone, 2 left. You'd have to ask yourself, if you were trying to qualify for Europe - would you go in with Danny Ings & a hypothetical 15-goal-a-season-in-the-Championship striker? I'm going to say "no", you'd want someone who was better than both of those players - to get rid of the Championship-level striker from the team and push Danny Ings down to 3rd choice. You just don't want a player who's "good in the Championship" playing any number of games for you.
Unless Keinan shows the sort of form that'd mark him out as a 20-25 goal a season (in the Championship) striker, I can't see him having a place at Villa. Even then, I'm not sure you'd want him as anything other than 3rd choice - a player you'd maybe play/bring on in the cups or against relegation-threatened sides.
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It would be great to see Forest come up. And if KD contributes to it, scores a few in the process, then a permanent move would be a brilliant way for that story to end. And a new chapter for him to begin.
Agreed, it would be ideal if Fulham and 2 of Forest, Blackburn and QPR get promoted. Wouldn't mind too much if Boro came up either as it would be vindication for Chris Wilder that it's not just at Sheffield Utd. that he can do it.
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Wilder is wily no doubt
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Get in Davis, he’s done well there so far.
He's quite popular with the fans (I have a couple of Forest-supporting mates), but he's played in four games and they've won all of them, so the whole team is popular with the fans right now.
If he carries on like this to the end of the season and gets himself 5 or 6 goals, he'll have done well and will have more than a few suitors wanting to take him. If he can push on and get 8 or 9 goals he could demand quite a reasonable fee I would imagine.
Or play for us.
I like Keinan a lot, and I've defended him an awful lot on here, and I do think he has decent potential, but I suspect that as far as him becoming a regular first-team player for us goes, that ship has now sailed.
I still think that he has sufficient raw ability and the physical attributes to play in the premier league, but it's more that I think we're now shopping at a much higher level. I think the next centre-forward we bring in will be a 'big' one. Keinan might come back and be part of the squad, but I don't imagine at 23/24 he's going to want that, especially having tasted regular first-team football in the top half of the championship.
I imagine next season, if we still look like playing the same formation, we'll have four proper forwards in the first-team squad, someone new, plus Ings (or?) Watkins, and then Archer/Barry/Chuk Snr as 4th choice. I just don't see how he fits in, short of having a ridiculously good half-season at Forest, getting into double figures with goals, which MIGHT be enough for Gerrard to take another look at him.
For me, I think the loan is good for him personally and professionally, but it's also good for us as it raises his value and helps with FFP when he goes (given any fee will be all profit).
Dominic Solanke cost Bournemouth £20m having scored one single goal for Liverpool. Rhian Brewster got a £25m move to Sheff United off the back of scoring 10 goals in a six-month loan at Swansea in the Championship. I'm not saying Keinan is at their level, but forwards are worth a LOT, and if he can get a few more goals before the season ends, he could easily be worth a few million in the summer.
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I'm pleased for Keinan for scoring his first Notts Forest goal.
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Notts Forest
Oooh the locals would not be happy with that ;)
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Dream start for Cam at PNE. A goal on his debut for them vs Sandwell Town.
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Louie Barry potentially joining Swindon Town on loan
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Louie Barry potentially joining Swindon Town on loan
This could be a good move. There will be lots of love and encouragement from their fans following the Kessler loan so hopefully it will give him the confidence to express himself and shine.
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I fear that if he does not find a club soon he could be one that is lost to the game
Shame as i think he has got what it takes he just needs the right "fit"
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Barry's got superstar written all over him. Looks, hair, confidence, and undoubted ability. It'd be a crying shame if he failed to exploit it.
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He's 18 years old
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I fear that if he does not find a club soon he could be one that is lost to the game
Shame as i think he has got what it takes he just needs the right "fit"
I think we're at least a couple of years from him being lost to the game! The kid is still only 18, two years younger than Cameron Archer, and how many of us (barring Leeg) were predicting the rise he's had a year ago? He has plenty of time on his side.
He might not be developing at the speed of the others from last year's FA Youth Cup team, but he could be growing physically until he's 21, and he's shown enough at the levels he played at that I'm confident the club will keep him around at least until that age.
A loan move would be great for him if he gets some game time. Not sure he gets that at Swindon though? - they have two forwards already in double figures for the season, and have just signed another young striker from Charlton on loan. Would he even play?
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I fear that if he does not find a club soon he could be one that is lost to the game
Shame as i think he has got what it takes he just needs the right "fit"
I think we're at least a couple of years from him being lost to the game! The kid is still only 18, two years younger than Cameron Archer, and how many of us (barring Leeg) were predicting the rise he's had a year ago? He has plenty of time on his side.
He might not be developing at the speed of the others from last year's FA Youth Cup team, but he could be growing physically until he's 21, and he's shown enough at the levels he played at that I'm confident the club will keep him around at least until that age.
A loan move would be great for him if he gets some game time. Not sure he gets that at Swindon though? - they have two forwards already in double figures for the season, and have just signed another young striker from Charlton on loan. Would he even play?
That’s pretty impressive research Smithy, unless you’re a Swindon fan of course!
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He could be a 21st century Gary Shaw. He's a natural, I hope we get to see the very best of him.
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I fear that if he does not find a club soon he could be one that is lost to the game
Shame as i think he has got what it takes he just needs the right "fit"
I think we're at least a couple of years from him being lost to the game! The kid is still only 18, two years younger than Cameron Archer, and how many of us (barring Leeg) were predicting the rise he's had a year ago? He has plenty of time on his side.
He might not be developing at the speed of the others from last year's FA Youth Cup team, but he could be growing physically until he's 21, and he's shown enough at the levels he played at that I'm confident the club will keep him around at least until that age.
A loan move would be great for him if he gets some game time. Not sure he gets that at Swindon though? - they have two forwards already in double figures for the season, and have just signed another young striker from Charlton on loan. Would he even play?
That’s pretty impressive research Smithy, unless you’re a Swindon fan of course!
A guy who works for me is a Swindon fan, and to be honest I've always switched off whenever he talked about them and their woes (I had enough to be worrying about as a Villa fan the past decade or so), but when Hayden-Kessler joined I started paying much more attention when he told me what was happening with them. I tend to keep one eye on the results and form of all the teams our young players are at, but with Swindon this year it's been fed to me pretty relentlessly... And having made the mistake of actually being interested in the first half of the season, I'm unlikely to find it easy to switch him off now!
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I fear that if he does not find a club soon he could be one that is lost to the game
Shame as i think he has got what it takes he just needs the right "fit"
I think we're at least a couple of years from him being lost to the game! The kid is still only 18, two years younger than Cameron Archer, and how many of us (barring Leeg) were predicting the rise he's had a year ago? He has plenty of time on his side.
He might not be developing at the speed of the others from last year's FA Youth Cup team, but he could be growing physically until he's 21, and he's shown enough at the levels he played at that I'm confident the club will keep him around at least until that age.
A loan move would be great for him if he gets some game time. Not sure he gets that at Swindon though? - they have two forwards already in double figures for the season, and have just signed another young striker from Charlton on loan. Would he even play?
That’s pretty impressive research Smithy, unless you’re a Swindon fan of course!
After the farce of his loan at Ipswich, I'm confident that the Jedi and Gerard will have had serious chats with the Swindon hierarchy regarding his potential to get decent game time during his loan. As has been said before, Swindon treated KKH well earlier this season, advanced his match time stats and gained kudos with the Villa hierarchy.
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JPB in the starting line up for the first time at Stoke.
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I'm quite liking seeing some of our kids getting games at Championship clubs. It's giving me a reason to watch Championship football again.
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He’s just hit the post that then led to Stoke’s equaliser
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JPB showing some good touches.
Ref is having a shocker
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JPB looking good, comfortable in possession, good vision and poachers instincts in the box. Needs some better boots though, he’s slipped a few times.
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I commented on the other games thread that JPB seemed to have a problem with his footwear, so many times he slipped. Otherwise, I enjoyed his performance tonight, he uses the ball very well and looks comfortable at this level, whilst giving the impression that he has it within him to give more. I particularly liked his contribution to Stoke's goal, ie his incisive pass to Joe Allen, then his interception in the penalty box and his shot that hit the post.
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I'm quite liking seeing some of our kids getting games at Championship clubs. It's giving me a reason to watch Championship football again.
Me too. It does feel like we might be on the brink of having a Southampton type production line of talent, but are in a better financial position to exploit it (both keeping the best talent, and having the resources to bring in the most talented young players from other clubs).
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I thought JBP did alright last night as well although I'm not sure sending him to a team like Stoke was a good move.
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I thought JBP did alright last night as well although I'm not sure sending him to a team like Stoke was a good move.
A big part of the decision was Michael O'Neill apparently.
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Cam's starting for Preston today.
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Cam Archer starts for PNE at home to Brizzle City
Carney Chukwuemeka on the bench for Livingston at Hibs
Finn Azaz starts fir Newport at home to Barrow
JPB not in the squad for Stoke
Louie Barry not in the squad at Swindon
Arjan Raikhy starts for Grimsby v Wealdstone
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Cam Archer starts for PNE at home to Brizzle City
Carney Chukwuemeka on the bench for Livingston at Hibs
Finn Azaz starts fir Newport at home to Barrow
JPB not in the squad for Stoke
Louie Barry not in the squad at Swindon
Arjan Raikhy starts for Grimsby v Wealdstone
JPB started last night for Stoke.
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Aaron Ramsey on bench for Cheltenham v Wigan having recovered from Covid. He didn't come on. 0-0. Good point considering their form.
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Our Punjabi Pirlo with 2 assists today for Grimsby.
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Why is Louie Barry not getting games? We’ve sent him on loan to get game time. Fk all at Ipswich and nothing at his new club. Strikers need to be banging in the goals. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Maybe he would be better off at BH. But I also see the other side: if you can’t get in the Ipswich side…
Take no notice of me, just thought and really hoped he’d do well on loan.
Maybe he really isn’t ready just yet. That goal against Liverpool though.
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Barry only went to Swindon yesterday. He won't have even trained with his new teammates yet so it's a bit premature to get worried about a lack of game time!
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Why is Louie Barry not getting games? We’ve sent him on loan to get game time. Fk all at Ipswich and nothing at his new club. Strikers need to be banging in the goals. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Maybe he would be better off at BH. But I also see the other side: if you can’t get in the Ipswich side…
Take no notice of me, just thought and really hoped he’d do well on loan.
Maybe he really isn’t ready just yet. That goal against Liverpool though.
It was only his potential first game for Swindon, I imagine that after the Ipswich debacle he’s short of match fitness.
I reckon Ipswich are trying to get back at us for 1981…..Alan Brazil threatened to sit on their manager if he played Louie.
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Big Wes scored his first goal back in Brazil albeit from the spot
https://twitter.com/scinternacional/status/1487550705850273795?s=21
nice flick here created a chance for another player
https://twitter.com/revistacolorada/status/1487558632363470849?s=21
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Why is Louie Barry not getting games? We’ve sent him on loan to get game time.
paperwork wasn't done in time, he was never going to play yesterday.
swindon are playing on tuesday though, so look out for him.
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Davis on as sub for Forest.
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And scores
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FIFA are bringing in changes to curtail the amount of players a club can loan out (only six by 2024) although, by the looks of it, this would affect our Wesley, Gilbert, El Ghazi type of loans, not our youngsters (under 21s).
Read more here: https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/media-releases/fifa-to-introduce-new-loan-regulations
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FIFA are bringing in changes to curtail the amount of players a club can loan out (only six by 2024) although, by the looks of it, this would affect our Wesley, Gilbert, El Ghazi type of loans, not our youngsters (under 21s).
Read more here: https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organisation/media-releases/fifa-to-introduce-new-loan-regulations
I don't think it's aimed at the likes of us. More the Chelseas and their 50 loanees or whatever silly amount they have at the moment.
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
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lots of potential loan moves today:
kessler to mk dons (4th - league 1)
steer to luton town (10th - champ)
marschall to gateshead (1st - national league north)
targett to newcastle (18th - premier league)
trezeguet to istanbul besakehir (8th - turkish super lig)
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
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lots of potential loan moves today:
kessler to mk dons (4th - league 1)
steer to luton town (10th - champ)
marschall to gateshead (1st - national league north)
targett to newcastle (18th - premier league)
trezeguet to istanbul besakehir (8th - turkish super lig)
That is 2 first team squad players out, 3 if you count Tuanzebe, 4 if you count Archer
Not counting Keepers then we have had 2 buys and a loan coming in
I am not sure we are done yet this window as we may have improved the quality but not the numbers
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
If you lived in / near MK, why not go watch them ?
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I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
If you lived in / near MK, why not go watch them ?
Exactly. It was originally a London overspill town when we moved there in the late 70s, so lots of Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea fans etc etc, but a town that size should have a league team, whether you agree with how they went about it or not.
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
If you lived in / near MK, why not go watch them ?
Because they stole their club from thousands of fans miles away?
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Who would want to chant the names of a poet and an economist?
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
If you lived in / near MK, why not go watch them ?
Because they stole their club from thousands of fans miles away?
So, no one in North London should watch Arsenal ?
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
If you lived in / near MK, why not go watch them ?
Because they stole their club from thousands of fans miles away?
So, no one in North London should watch Arsenal ?
I'd wager there's barely a handful of people still alive in the UK who were born when Arsenal didn't play in North London, hence Exeter's comment about people over the age of 25-30.
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Well, it was our own Steve Stride who was one of the three men on the FA commission that gave the move to Milton keynes the go-ahead. I think it's always worth remembering that there are now two clubs where there may have been none.
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Is Plough Lane now ploughed on or is it in disrepair/housing stock ?
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Is Plough Lane now ploughed on or is it in disrepair/housing stock ?
Neither, AFC Wimbledon play there!
edit: the original one was demolished. The new ground has the same name, but is set a few hundred yards from the original site.
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Well, it was our own Steve Stride who was one of the three men on the FA commission that gave the move to Milton keynes the go-ahead. I think it's always worth remembering that there are now two clubs where there may have been none.
And if the Villa were in the position Wimbledon were in back then, presumably you'd support the club upping sticks, moving to Worcester and them bulldozing VP for the wider good of football?
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Well, it was our own Steve Stride who was one of the three men on the FA commission that gave the move to Milton keynes the go-ahead. I think it's always worth remembering that there are now two clubs where there may have been none.
And if the Villa were in the position Wimbledon were in back then, presumably you'd support the club upping sticks, moving to Worcester and them bulldozing VP for the wider good of football?
If it was that or go into liquidation, who knows?
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Well, it was our own Steve Stride who was one of the three men on the FA commission that gave the move to Milton keynes the go-ahead. I think it's always worth remembering that there are now two clubs where there may have been none.
And if the Villa were in the position Wimbledon were in back then, presumably you'd support the club upping sticks, moving to Worcester and them bulldozing VP for the wider good of football?
If it was that or go into liquidation, who knows?
Well, you. I'm asking your opinion.
I'll help. If the Villa were in that situation there's no chance I'd ever support moving them 100 miles away and carrying on with a different name. I'd fight to keep the club alive, which was what the Wimbledon fans were doing. But instead the club was stolen from them meaning they had to start again from nothing. And the fact they've done it shows the will was there in the first place.
So if I lived in MK there's absolutely no way I'd support the stolen Dons.
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If the club I supported was going out of business, I don't think I'd care. All the MK club really did was take a league spot which normally they'd have to have earned by going up the pyramid. If they hadn't moved, Wimbledon would have ceased to exist and they'd have to have started AFC Wimbledon anyway. If I still lived in Milton Keynes I'd probably go and watch the odd game, like I did in Wigan when I lived there.
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
You're probably looking forward to it more than Kaine is judging by the photos. https://twitter.com/KaineKeslerHayd/status/1488197231719108613
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
You're probably looking forward to it more than Kaine is judging by the photos. https://twitter.com/KaineKeslerHayd/status/1488197231719108613
I suspect he's a bit gutted to be going out on loan again. He probably thought being recalled from Swindon meant he'd have time around the Villa first team rather than be sent out on loan again, albeit at a higher level.
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He has a very high opinion of himself.
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He has a very high opinion of himself.
That's massively disappointing if that's the case. Hangers on filling their heads with delusions of grandeur without earning their way to first team action.
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Sorry, I derailed the thread somewhat but I could see why someone who was a teenager or younger would get excited by a fully formed Football League team appearing close to where they lived but not anyone older who, presumably if they had an interest in Football, would already have had a club allegiance.
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Sorry, I derailed the thread somewhat but I could see why someone who was a teenager or younger would get excited by a fully formed Football League team appearing close to where they lived but not anyone older who, presumably if they had an interest in Football, would already have had a club allegiance.
Whatever their age, I don’t see why being a supporter of one club precludes a person from being interested in the team in the town/city where they live.
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Filip Marschall to Gateshead.
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Steer to Luton.
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Targett to Newcastle.
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Tyreik Wright to Colchester.
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Christ, we're becoming Chelsea, shipping-out players on-loan by the dozen!
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Sorry, I derailed the thread somewhat but I could see why someone who was a teenager or younger would get excited by a fully formed Football League team appearing close to where they lived but not anyone older who, presumably if they had an interest in Football, would already have had a club allegiance.
Whatever their age, I don’t see why being a supporter of one club precludes a person from being interested in the team in the town/city where they live.
Not many people ‘choose’ the club they support, more often it simple proximity or a shared bond with mates or family that comes first.
I grew up near MK and a fair few of my mates have ended up watching them, mainly due to the free kids tickets and the opportunity to take them to matches without spending a ton of cash and spending most of the day getting there and back. A few now have season tickets and would probably class themselves as proper fans, none of them set out to be MK Dons fans.
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Looks like AEG made a terrible decision to go to Everton. Seemed a strange one even when Benitez was there as he was going to be competing with their best player, Gray, for a starting position.
Now Lampard has come in and bought two more attacking players who seem like they will be competing with each other for a spot. Everton look a complete mess, wouldn't be surprised at all if they got relegated. No legs at all in their midfield and they go out and get Alli and DvB. Bonkers.
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Looks like AEG made a terrible decision to go to Everton. Seemed a strange one even when Benitez was there as he was going to be competing with their best player, Gray, for a starting position.
Now Lampard has come in and bought two more attacking players who seem like they will be competing with each other for a spot. Everton look a complete mess, wouldn't be surprised at all if they got relegated. No legs at all in their midfield and they go out and get Alli and DvB. Bonkers.
That's quite enough of that thank you.
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Sorry, I derailed the thread somewhat but I could see why someone who was a teenager or younger would get excited by a fully formed Football League team appearing close to where they lived but not anyone older who, presumably if they had an interest in Football, would already have had a club allegiance.
Whatever their age, I don’t see why being a supporter of one club precludes a person from being interested in the team in the town/city where they live.
Not many people ‘choose’ the club they support, more often it simple proximity or a shared bond with mates or family that comes first.
I grew up near MK and a fair few of my mates have ended up watching them, mainly due to the free kids tickets and the opportunity to take them to matches without spending a ton of cash and spending most of the day getting there and back. A few now have season tickets and would probably class themselves as proper fans, none of them set out to be MK Dons fans.
For me, moving Wimbledon to MK was absolutely and utterly wrong. I've incredible sympathy with the Wimbledon supporters. But one thing I would say is that if your choice was supporting MK Dons, as your local team, or some rich oil state sports washing affair then really, they are by some distance the lesser of two evils.
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Looks like AEG made a terrible decision to go to Everton. Seemed a strange one even when Benitez was there as he was going to be competing with their best player, Gray, for a starting position.
Now Lampard has come in and bought two more attacking players who seem like they will be competing with each other for a spot. Everton look a complete mess, wouldn't be surprised at all if they got relegated. No legs at all in their midfield and they go out and get Alli and DvB. Bonkers.
yeah was thinking that. Last week he was the Manager's shiny new signing, now he's basically a player the Manager may not want. Not having the best of luck.
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I don't think he was the manager's shiny new signing at all, I thought it was a strange move for him to agree to.
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I'd imagine Mr Gerrard is probably very straight with the players. When Everton approached us he probably told him he wasn't part of his plans so you could understand him going for a new challenge. Maybe that was the same with Targett when Newcastle came in although its not like he was so far down the pecking order
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I think lampard might play him actually. Alli and Donny Osmond are central players, so I would imagine he's going to go to some kind of 4-3-3. Townsend has had his good spell for the season, so El Ghazi might get a run. Their midfield does look a bit lightweight though without Dacoure for a few weeks. Allan is good but will be doing 3 players jobs. Alli will hang around Calvert Lewin and do something spectacular every few weeks but little else and Beek has been lamented by united fans for not being strong enough when he does play.
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Don't think Everton will go down, my 3 for the drop would be Watford, Norwich and Burnley, also think Brentford will be in the fight to avoid the drop, in free fall at the moment and all the teams below them have games in hand.
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Donny Osmond! Made me chuckle.
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I think lampard might play him actually. Alli and Donny Osmond are central players, so I would imagine he's going to go to some kind of 4-3-3. Townsend has had his good spell for the season, so El Ghazi might get a run. Their midfield does look a bit lightweight though without Dacoure for a few weeks. Allan is good but will be doing 3 players jobs. Alli will hang around Calvert Lewin and do something spectacular every few weeks but little else and Beek has been lamented by united fans for not being strong enough when he does play.
Townsend, Gray and Gordon are all reasonable wide players; AEG will struggle to get regular starts.
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AEG will struggle to get regular starts
where ever he plays unfortunately as he just cannot seem to be consistent enough and goes missing in games too easily
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Archer on the bench, Steer on the bench, Aaron Ramsey on the bench. Louis Barry on for second 45 alongside Mckirdy for Swindon.
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McKirdy hasn't been ours for a few years.
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I know. Archer on for the last 20 mins for Preston
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Aaron Ramsey got on for last 15 minutes for Cheltenham
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Who would want to chant the names of a poet and an economist?
Especially when you could chant the names of two economists
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Kessler going to MK Dons.
Looking forward to seeing this lad develop of the next season or so.
One of my mates is an MK Dons season ticket holder, I'll ask him for regular updates.
I always wonder how anyone over 25-30 ended up being an MK Dons fan. Not a sarcastic observation but a genuine question.
My son in law supports MK Dons he’s 29 so fits in with your demographic (we all live in the area)
I’d rather have that than him support one of the red teams from the north west if I’m honest
All my Liverpool and Man United mates call the MK Dons the franchise club yet they themselves support a team 175 miles away which I always find ironic
Anyway my daughter has slowly converted Son-in-law over and my new grandson of three months is already a chosen one
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Aaron Ramsey got on for last 15 minutes for Cheltenham
Michael Duff, Cheltenham Manager, on why Aaron Ramsey isn’t starting yet :
“ Aaron Ramsey, I think has a chance of playing in the Premier League, but there are other things he needs to learn. It’s not fair on him or the other players if I threw him in and he’s not quite sure what his jobs are. You need one link in the chain to break and it falls down. “
Early days yet, shows how much there is to adapt to every time you either go up a level or to another club.
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Davis just hit the bar with a tremendous piece of skill. Very unlucky.
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And now an assist.
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Think that's now been covered in three threads !
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Think that's now been covered in three threads !
He’s breaking records today, have we ever had a player featuring across three different threads at one time?
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he’s here he’s there he’s every jeffing where ……
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https://twitter.com/bradjonessport/status/1490749653201080322?s=21
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Trez joining Turkish club on loan as apparently their transfer window stays open longer.
In Istanbul for medical today.
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Trez joining Turkish club on loan as apparently their transfer window stays open longer.
In Istanbul for medical today.
What a delight
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JPB's first goal in professional football on his 20th birthday!
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Good lad, we've got 3 attacking players making a good impression in the championship right now, love to see it.
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KHH making his debut for MK. Barry on the bench for Swindon. JPB on from the start for Stoke. Jed Steer on the bench for Luton?
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KHH making his debut for MK. Barry on the bench for Swindon. JPB on from the start for Stoke. Jed Steer on the bench for Luton?
Azaz starting for Newport.
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Even ex-alumni Barry Banana netted for Wednesday,
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Aaron ramsay got 73 minutes for cheltenham. Nothing for Barry again though..
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Aaron Ramsey and KKH seem to be gradually being eased in.
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Even ex-alumni Barry Banana netted for Wednesday,
Alumnus. You ought to have a basic grasp of Latin if you're working in Currys.
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How did he get on this Tuesday?
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Good lad, we've got 3 attacking players making a good impression in the championship right now, love to see it.
Seems that way. https://twitter.com/poddy_8/status/1491177448486367232
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The BBC were impressed too...
England Under-20 international Philogene-Bidace was the game's outstanding player, particularly before the break.
Stoke City 3-0 Swansea City: Jaden Philogene-Bidace among scorers as Potters cruise to win - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60210014
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As were Stoke... https://twitter.com/stokecity/status/1491174305421729792 :)
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A little scrappy but they all count
https://twitter.com/avfc_vilr/status/1491182610764427267?s=21
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Even ex-alumni Barry Banana netted for Wednesday,
Alumnus. You ought to have a basic grasp of Latin if you're working in Currys.
Or Spanish if you're trying to recruit Villans in Oaxaca.
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So Jed Steer swapped our bench for Luton's seemingly.
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My manager's fiancé is a big Villa fan. She was telling me in the office yesterday that Vikesh (her fella) recognised Steer in MacDonalds last week in Kings Cross. He approached him and asked if he was Jed Steer, the Villa goalkeeper. The guy replied, "Nah, a lot of people say I look like him but it's not me" and turned away.
Vikesh went back to his missus, and started muttering about him. Apparently "He never swears but he even called him a prick! He showed me a photo of him on his phone and it was definitely the same guy".
Can't imagine many Maccy D customers have heard of Jed, fewer still given him a second thought. So wind ya neck in* Jed and be nice to a fan who recognises you (*unless you had some mental health things going on).
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My brother in law used to teach one of his kids when at Norwich and always said he was a lovely chap.
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He approached him and asked if he was Jed Steer, the Villa goalkeeper. The guy replied, "Nah, a lot of people say I look like him but it's not me" and turned away.
Do wonder if that's a thing, though. People mistaking random strangers as Villa's 2nd choice keepers:
"'Scuse me mate, are you Lee Butler?"
"You're the tenth person to ask me that today - no, I'm not Lee Butler, I just look a bit like him"
"Oh bloody hell, and the day I thought I saw Adam Rachel down the Aldi as well and it turned out not to be him"
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My brother in law used to teach one of his kids when at Norwich and always said he was a lovely chap.
Blimey, we signed him from Norwich when he was 21, if his kids were already in school her must have started pretty young!
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Like our olaftab.
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Callum Archer starts tonight PNE v Huddersfield.
Caleb Chuckwemeka NOT in the squad for Livingston at Ross County.
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Keinan starting for Forest and Hourihane starting for Sheffield United too.
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Keinan Davis vs Philogene-Bidace today with Forest at home to Stoke.
I'll take 5-5 with a hat-trick and two assists each.
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He approached him and asked if he was Jed Steer, the Villa goalkeeper. The guy replied, "Nah, a lot of people say I look like him but it's not me" and turned away.
Do wonder if that's a thing, though. People mistaking random strangers as Villa's 2nd choice keepers:
"'Scuse me mate, are you Lee Butler?"
"You're the tenth person to ask me that today - no, I'm not Lee Butler, I just look a bit like him"
"Oh bloody hell, and the day I thought I saw Adam Rachel down the Aldi as well and it turned out not to be him"
"Excuse me mate, are you Stefan Postma?"
"No, no, it's not me, no. Definitely not me"
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KD and JPB both in the starting line up in the game between Forest and Stoke. A good one to watch.
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My brother in law used to teach one of his kids when at Norwich and always said he was a lovely chap.
Blimey, we signed him from Norwich when he was 21, if his kids were already in school her must have started pretty young!
Just spotted this. I've given my head a shake. He actually taught Bryan Gunn's kid. Not sure if it the lad who's following his father as a keeper. As I Norwich fan I think all he said about Steer was that he was decent. Damn you memories. Sorry.
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Barry starting for Swindon and Ramsey Jnr starts for Cheltenham. Some good run outs for the kids today!
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Barry starting for Swindon and Ramsey Jnr starts for Cheltenham. Some good run outs for the kids today!
good to see. Come on the kidz
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Oops
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Archer scores again for Preston
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Davis subbed on 54 minutes for Forest today. Injured?
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Louie Barry won the penalty for Swindon 3rd
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Davis subbed on 54 minutes for Forest today. Injured?
Doubt it, they have competition for places and he's still building up fitness to be a 90 mins player.
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Stoke fans on Twitter are well happy with JPB.
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Aaron Ramsey played the full 90 for Cheltenham in their win over Fleetwood today and was praised for a moment of quality by the manager, Michael Duff.
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loan watch is proving a good threat at the moment
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Louie Barry won the penalty for Swindon 3rd
Played 88 minutes and recorded good stats.
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Archer vs Davis this evening.
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Barry starts for Swindon at home to Walsall
Hayden Starts for MK Dons away at Charlton
A. Ramsey Starts for Cheltenham away at Ipswich
Revan Starts for Hereford away at Curzon Ashton
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Barry starts for Swindon at home to Walsall
Hayden Starts for MK Dons away at Charlton
A. Ramsey Starts for Cheltenham away at Ipswich
Revan Starts for Hereford away at Curzon Ashton
excellent. Great to see our boyz getting game time
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Archer vs Davis this evening.
Davis was probably the man of the match last time we played at Deepdale 0-2 win
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Barry starts for Swindon at home to Walsall
Hayden Starts for MK Dons away at Charlton
A. Ramsey Starts for Cheltenham away at Ipswich
Revan Starts for Hereford away at Curzon Ashton
Currently at The Valley watching Hayden.
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Louie Barry scores for Swindon.
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Currently at The Valley watching Hayden.
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=52635.4905 :)
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Hayden just scored a beauty. Then did a double flip to celebrate.
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Kesler just scored for MK Dons.
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Louie's got a second!
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Louie Barry scores for Swindon.
.... and again!
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Louie Barry scores for Swindon.
.... and again!
Looking forward to hearing from our Swindon correspondent.
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Really impressed with Kaine Kesler-Hayden this evening. Some good tackles a great cross and a lovely goal. Good positional play. He's got a good future I reckon.
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Its fantastic these loaned out players performing and gaining the experiences and success.
I do hope there will be pathways for them and even by 20 years old it's good enough to be involved in the squads
Its interesting to see as they all seemingly have great potential and hopefully they can become integrated in the next few years into first team set up.
To me they could well all be players who are going to have football league careers for sure and hopefully now we are making that premier legaue careers rather than league one and league two or some solid championship club.
I think in time Villa could be quite Chelsea like where every other club seems to have one on loan.
I just would like us to play some in our own team as well as probably making some good money on players
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Barry starts for Swindon at home to Walsall
Hayden Starts for MK Dons away at Charlton
A. Ramsey Starts for Cheltenham away at Ipswich
Revan Starts for Hereford away at Curzon Ashton
Great overview of their appearances yesterday thanks for that Steamin.
Just a note on their respective ages
Louie Barry 18 (19 in the summer)
Kesler 19 (20 October)
Ramsey 19 (recently!)
Dominic Revan 21 (22 September)
Certainly for the first 3 the next 18 months staying injury free and professional can be pushing for moving into 1st team squad and 1st team in a year or two.
Revan still has opportunities but he's at a non league club and ideally needs to be playing higher level if he's to make premier league grade within the year or two.
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JJ Ramsey, Chukwuemeka, Iroebunam, Chrisene already in the senior squad.
Archer, Philogene-Bidace, Davis, Kessler-Hayden, Barry and A Ramsey all doing well out on loan.
Really encouraging.
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Yeah, it does look very promising for the younger lads. As it stands, Barry, Kesler-Hayden, Archer, and A.Ramsey all look like they'll be able to put decent careers together.
Revan - it'll be hard for him, I expect, to progress at Villa. Things can change rapidly, of course, but I'd be inclined to say that players who aren't playing regular football in the Championship (or higher) at 21 probably aren't going to spend much of their careers in the top division.
It's nice to see us using the loan market as well as we have this season. We've got 4 players who 12 months ago you'd say were nowhere near the first team, and now there's 2 that are on the cusp of the first team this summer (Archer & Kesler Hayden) and another 2 who are maybe 12 months off (Barry and A.Ramsey) being in the same position.
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Yeah, it does look very promising for the younger lads. As it stands, Barry, Kesler-Hayden, Archer, and A.Ramsey all look like they'll be able to put decent careers together.
Revan - it'll be hard for him, I expect, to progress at Villa. Things can change rapidly, of course, but I'd be inclined to say that players who aren't playing regular football in the Championship (or higher) at 21 probably aren't going to spend much of their careers in the top division.
It's nice to see us using the loan market as well as we have this season. We've got 4 players who 12 months ago you'd say were nowhere near the first team, and now there's 2 that are on the cusp of the first team this summer (Archer & Kesler Hayden) and another 2 who are maybe 12 months off (Barry and A.Ramsey) being in the same position.
Good summary and thoughts.
Promising indeed. A worry that SG wants the fast track and big names in for his ready made 4-3-3 let's play like Liverpool but we must upgrade the squad philosophy but looks like plenty of talent there and hope pathways are given to them.
Expect Revan to forge a decent enough career but perhaps not at Villa in coming seasons hope he gets to play at decent level served the academy well , decent guy from what I heard.
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Saturday 26th
Trezeguet scored for İstanbul Başakşehir started the match
Championship
All starting
Jed Steer for Luton vs Derby
Davies forest v Bristol City
Archer Coventry v Preston
League one
Kesler Hayden Starts for MK Dons
Ramsey Starts for Cheltenham v Crewe
League Two
Barry starts for Swindon v Salford
Scottish Prem
Chukwuemeka is on bench away at Dundee
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Finn Azaz scored to put Newport 3-2 up today
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Assist for Kesler
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Davies forest v Bristol City
Davis. ☺
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Finn Azaz's goal was an absolute beauty!
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And he scored again this evening against Forest Green.
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Azaz EFL young player of the month
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Steer injured V Chelsea
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Micah reckoned it might be Jed's Achilles again.
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Keinan Davis having a good game tonight for Forest. Very skillful player. Needs to do more in the box though.
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Davis man of the match - don’t think it will happen for him at Villa but certainly can do a job in the right team
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Davis man of the match - don’t think it will happen for him at Villa but certainly can do a job in the right team
We should get him back in the summer, there’s a player for sure . But can’t see him being given a chance.
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He’s still not scoring many though.
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Yeah, I love him but I just wish he'd not be poor man's Heskey. Fill yer boots, son.
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That’s my worry, he’s got decent talent and showing great strength and seems to be influencing Forests games, but when your striker is not scoring they always get questioned. Especially if lacking goals elsewhere across the pitch.
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Another well taken by Azaz for Newport this evening.
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Another well taken by Azaz for Newport this evening.
His goal the other week was absolute class.
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Yes, it was a real beauty!
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Aaron Ramsey scored his first league goal today. https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1517898155169308672
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Louis Barry scored 1 and an assist for other so far tonight v FGR
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Louis Barry scored 1 and an assist for other so far tonight v FGR
It’s think that’s 6 goals in 9 starts since his Jan move. I know it’s only league two, but those are some pretty good numbers for the lad considering the disappointment of his Ipswich loan. I imagine an Archer-style Championship loan would be the best thing for him next season?
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Azaz scores, buggering up Vale’s automatic promotion chances.
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Azaz scores, buggering up Vale’s automatic promotion chances.
Fine goal too.
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Azaz scores, buggering up Vale’s automatic promotion chances.
Fine goal too.
He doesn't know how to score tap ins!
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Azaz seems to make headlines for Newport most weeks. I wonder if he is being considered for us next season?
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I would imagine Azaz will be loaned out to a Championship club next season to see how he does at that level. The one thing that I like about him is that when he has passed the ball he is straight away moving into space ready for it to be given back to him. None of this “here it is, I’ll see what you can do with it.”
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Louis Barry scored 1 and an assist for other so far tonight v FGR
It’s think that’s 6 goals in 9 starts since his Jan move. I know it’s only league two, but those are some pretty good numbers for the lad considering the disappointment of his Ipswich loan. I imagine an Archer-style Championship loan would be the best thing for him next season?
League One more realistically.
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Like Archer, he looks more powerful, so he might go higher.