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Title: Bottle Job
Post by: Legion on January 22, 2022, 10:26:57 PM
Everton v Aston Villa: Lucas Digne & Matty Cash hit by bottle - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60096907
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2022, 10:34:31 PM
Everton v Aston Villa: Lucas Digne & Matty Cash hit by bottle - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60096907

You could clearly see the incident on the TV footage.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2022, 10:35:57 PM
It wouldn't have been so bad but one of the bottles landed right on top of Cashy's bare scalp.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2022, 10:40:58 PM
Konsa took the lid off one of the bottles, and had a swig. Not sure that was the greatest of ideas tbh.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2022, 10:41:23 PM
Nd because of these utter twats, everyone else continue to have drinks without lids.

At this rate I can see them banning bottled drinks completely.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2022, 10:41:59 PM
Konsa took the lid off one of the bottles, and had a swig. Not sure that was the greatest of ideas tbh.

I know, who knows what might have been in there!
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: papa lazarou on January 22, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
Konsa took the lid off one of the bottles, and had a swig. Not sure that was the greatest of ideas tbh.

I know, who knows what might have been in there!

Hopefully it wasn't Carling
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2022, 11:04:36 PM
Nd because of these utter twats, everyone else continue to have drinks without lids.

At this rate I can see them banning bottled drinks completely.

That's not why they make you take the top off.

It is because if you leave a bottle with top on on the floor, if there's an emergency, they're a trip hazard.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: adrenachrome on January 22, 2022, 11:19:16 PM
Konsa took the lid off one of the bottles, and had a swig. Not sure that was the greatest of ideas tbh.

I remember Dennis Lillee doing that at Edgbaston. Earlier he feigned to bowl a can back into the stand and everybody dived for cover.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: darren woolley on January 22, 2022, 11:41:46 PM
Absolutely disgusting behaviour by some Everton fans.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Matt C on January 22, 2022, 11:52:48 PM
Still trying to get my head around the commentators suggesting it was all the fault of our players for daring to celebrate.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Somniloquism on January 22, 2022, 11:57:54 PM
Still trying to get my head around the commentators suggesting it was all the fault of our players for daring to celebrate.

Of course it was. We were the big bads who spoiled the party and Big Duncs return. I'm sure the press hadn't been bigging up Gerards first return to Everton as a manager, Digne's return and how Dunc would be instilling fight and erm bottle into the team and get them on winning ways.

It is the same reason when our fans invade the pitch after a big win, it is the return of the darkest times. If other fans do it, it is the magic of the cup.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Lsvilla on January 23, 2022, 12:03:44 AM
Nd because of these utter twats, everyone else continue to have drinks without lids.

At this rate I can see them banning bottled drinks completely.

That's not why they make you take the top off.

It is because if you leave a bottle with top on on the floor, if there's an emergency, they're a trip hazard.
Is that right ? Sure Iíd been told before that it was so it couldnít be used as a weapon ie: throwing a bottle with no lid would likely lose the contents and therefore the weight. Whichever way, I can see this being the end of bottles being handed out and contents going into plastic glasses.
And how long before this gets linked to the return of standingÖ..
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2022, 12:49:18 AM
It wouldn't have been so bad but one of the bottles landed right on top of Cashy's bare scalp.

Yeah, the poor chap is going bald but there was no need to highlight it.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 23, 2022, 01:28:28 AM
Nd because of these utter twats, everyone else continue to have drinks without lids.

At this rate I can see them banning bottled drinks completely.

That's not why they make you take the top off.

It is because if you leave a bottle with top on on the floor, if there's an emergency, they're a trip hazard.
Is that right ? Sure Iíd been told before that it was so it couldnít be used as a weapon ie: throwing a bottle with no lid would likely lose the contents and therefore the weight. Whichever way, I can see this being the end of bottles being handed out and contents going into plastic glasses.
And how long before this gets linked to the return of standingÖ..

Yep, it's definitely right. The whole missile thing doesn't help but it's not the main consideration. I can definitely see a bottleless future. Just whack pints in Caprisun pouches.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 23, 2022, 08:11:22 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 23, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.

Really daft move. Hopefully heís realised that now.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 23, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
There's been increasing disorder at games over the last period with more arrests than previous years even accounting for Covid.

I get as pent up and vocal as anyone during games but the idea of throwing something if the opposition celebrate in front of me is completely absurd. Or of wanting a scrap before or after a game.

Hopefully this is a blip.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 09:23:46 AM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit. Grown men throwing coins at people, what an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2022, 09:39:20 AM
That Lucozade bottle probably cost about £5 aswell, flash bastards.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2022, 09:42:55 AM
Still trying to get my head around the commentators suggesting it was all the fault of our players for daring to celebrate.

Of course it was. We were the big bads who spoiled the party and Big Duncs return. I'm sure the press hadn't been bigging up Gerards first return to Everton as a manager, Digne's return and how Dunc would be instilling fight and erm bottle into the team and get them on winning ways.

It is the same reason when our fans invade the pitch after a big win, it is the return of the darkest times. If other fans do it, it is the magic of the cup.

Victim-blaming, pure and simple. Where exactly in an away game are the players supposed to celebrate?

Should the Premier League mandate a solemn handshake in the centre circle, while VAR checks for a reason to disallow the goal. Then two minutes later, the players can nod at each other like vague acquaintances might do in a Yorkshire pub, a quick slap on the back and back to work chaps.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Bad English on January 23, 2022, 09:47:29 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.
I'd rather drink a Scouser's piss than Lucozade.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.
I'd rather drink a Scouser's piss than Lucozade.

I'd say there's a reasonable chance he did.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2022, 09:59:24 AM
It looked like the bottle Konsa opened was sealed when he picked it up.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit. Grown men throwing coins at people, what an embarrassment.
maybe that sums up a rather entitled major of the British population by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2022, 10:05:54 AM
There is a very substantial cult in India who believe the drinking of urine to be physically and morally efficacious.  An Indian Prime Minister was one such IIRC.  Probably better for you than Lucozade.  And cheaper.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2022, 10:17:42 AM
There is a very substantial cult in India who believe the drinking of urine to be physically and morally efficacious.

There are some questionable porn sites that believe the same.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 10:24:33 AM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit. Grown men throwing coins at people, what an embarrassment.
maybe that sums up a rather entitled major of the British population by the looks of things.

I liked calling Deeney a wanker at VP, then found it fairly amusing when he gave a bit back after scoring, then even more amusing chanting "Deeney, what's the score" at the end. Then at full time he acknowledged us (I think), we all had a little chuckle and went to the pub for a pint.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Small Rodent on January 23, 2022, 10:36:27 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.


It was probably a defiant ďam I bovveredĒ gesture, but very stupid.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Ian. on January 23, 2022, 10:46:08 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.


It was probably a defiant ďam I bovveredĒ gesture, but very stupid.

Thatís it, he was trying to brush it off with some humour but obviously his brain didnít act quick enough to it maybe being piss, Covid germs or just rancid lucozade.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 23, 2022, 10:50:41 AM
Remember when someone chucked a coin at Carragher at Highbury and he chucked it back. Didnít Gaza once eat a Mars Bar that was thrown at him?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2022, 10:58:45 AM
Football Manager fans may remember Kennedy Bakircioglu catching and downing a beer thrown from the stands.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Pete3206 on January 23, 2022, 11:03:03 AM
Commentators say nothing when big name players cup their ears or put the finger on the lips in front of home ends. Jon Champion's comments about our players celebrating a goal in front of the Everton fans was classic Sky claptrap. If it had happened at Villa Park last week to one of their precious Manure players, they'd still be talking about it now.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2022, 11:15:05 AM
Remember when someone chucked a coin at Carragher at Highbury and he chucked it back. Didnít Gaza once eat a Mars Bar that was thrown at him?

Mark Crossley picked up a Mars Bar at Forest in front of us and eat it.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2022, 11:21:51 AM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: nigel on January 23, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.

Really daft move. Hopefully heís realised that now.

Did he actually take a swig, or did he just pretend?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Bad English on January 23, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.
I'd rather drink a Scouser's piss than Lucozade.

I'd say there's a reasonable chance he did.
I was hinting at that in the post. The point about it being sealed is a fair one, but even then I doubt I'd drink from it after it has been held by a pissy-fingered unwashed Everton fan.*

* No offence to Everton fans intended; the bottle-thrower may well have washed his hands regularly after having a piss and scratching his arse etc.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2022, 11:52:44 AM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.

Did they identify the cabbage thrower ?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2022, 11:57:08 AM
Nd because of these utter twats, everyone else continue to have drinks without lids.

At this rate I can see them banning bottled drinks completely.

That's not why they make you take the top off.

It is because if you leave a bottle with top on on the floor, if there's an emergency, they're a trip hazard.
Is that right ? Sure Iíd been told before that it was so it couldnít be used as a weapon ie: throwing a bottle with no lid would likely lose the contents and therefore the weight. Whichever way, I can see this being the end of bottles being handed out and contents going into plastic glasses.
And how long before this gets linked to the return of standingÖ..

Yep, it's definitely right. The whole missile thing doesn't help but it's not the main consideration. I can definitely see a bottleless future. Just whack pints in Caprisun pouches.
My preferred option is to take an orange into the ground with vodka injected into it.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2022, 12:01:55 PM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.

Did they identify the cabbage thrower ?
I'm the cabbage thrower and so's my wife
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Villa Lew on January 23, 2022, 12:03:17 PM
Jon Campion is the only one I've heard that criticised the Villa players and he is an idiot, otherwise BT commentators and pundits, Match of the Day, the papers all condemned the action of the Everton fans.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2022, 12:05:20 PM
As Risso says, why on earth would you drink from that bottle? Daft move.

Youíll never get away with chucking anything onto the field, youíll either get dobbed in or the CCTV will get you.

Did they identify the cabbage thrower ?

What was never established was if Bruce kept it.

It is, after all, a key ingredient of a full Donner Kebab.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 12:17:06 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

In what other job should people be expected to accept constant abuse without telling them to shush?  People pay nurses wages, you get in a taxi and pay his wages in a way.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: martin o`who?? on January 23, 2022, 12:38:53 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.
In fact we should just remove the human interaction element completely and just play FIFA......
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 23, 2022, 12:48:25 PM
Remember when someone chucked a coin at Carragher at Highbury and he chucked it back. Didnít Gaza once eat a Mars Bar that was thrown at him?

Mark Crossley picked up a Mars Bar at Forest in front of us and eat it.

He'd probably brought it with him, the lardy git.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 23, 2022, 01:09:01 PM
Football Manager fans may remember Kennedy Bakircioglu catching and downing a beer thrown from the stands.

Never gets old (and a nice goal too):

Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 23, 2022, 01:28:51 PM
Quite honestly I'm just surprised Klopp hasn't claimed it hit one of his players.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2022, 01:38:14 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2022, 03:37:54 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

In what other job should people be expected to accept constant abuse without telling them to shush?  People pay nurses wages, you get in a taxi and pay his wages in a way.
Not the same thing. Poor analogy.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2022, 03:57:55 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.
A full bottle of pop with the lid on hurled from the stands would bloody hurt if it whacked you on the head so he had every right to go down. It's way worse than "not good" it's a very worrying trend that has crept into the game again recently. It needs to be taken seriously and the guilty ones given a lengthy ban. It is also a criminal offence for which he should be arrested. If someone threw a bottle at your head in the street you'd want them dealt with by the law surely?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 04:04:07 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

In what other job should people be expected to accept constant abuse without telling them to shush?  People pay nurses wages, you get in a taxi and pay his wages in a way.
Not the same thing. Poor analogy.

So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2022, 04:08:00 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.
A full bottle of pop with the lid on hurled from the stands would bloody hurt if it whacked you on the head so he had every right to go down. It's way worse than "not good" it's a very worrying trend that has crept into the game again recently. It needs to be taken seriously and the guilty ones given a lengthy ban. It is also a criminal offence for which he should be arrested. If someone threw a bottle at your head in the street you'd want them dealt with by the law surely?

Nah, he'd just get up and walk on. Just one of those things isn't it?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2022, 04:11:37 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

In what other job should people be expected to accept constant abuse without telling them to shush?  People pay nurses wages, you get in a taxi and pay his wages in a way.
Not the same thing. Poor analogy.

So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
They were just celebrating a goal at the end it went in. There was no goading of their fans. That rat face Jamie Vardy scored in front of the Holte and gave us the full cupped ear celebration but no-one threw anything at him and nor should they.He got a lot of verbal abuse which was justified though.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2022, 04:20:09 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

I think thatís a bit precious too be honest. Iíve got no problem with players giving a bit back to fans, especially given the level of abuse theyíre subject to. If fans canít handle getting it back they shouldnít dish it out in the first place.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2022, 04:20:41 PM
Give and take.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 04:23:48 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

In what other job should people be expected to accept constant abuse without telling them to shush?  People pay nurses wages, you get in a taxi and pay his wages in a way.
Not the same thing. Poor analogy.

So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
They were just celebrating a goal at the end it went in. There was no goading of their fans. That rat face Jamie Vardy scored in front of the Holte and gave us the full cupped ear celebration but no-one threw anything at him and nor should they.He got a lot of verbal abuse which was justified though.

Cash was looking at them pumping his arms, but it's totally fine! I've got no problem with Vardy doing that either, you call him a wanker all game, he cups his ear and laughs, then you call him a wanker even louder. If people can't take it without throwing things they really need to have a look at themselves.

If people think players shouldn't be allowed to go near or look at opposition fans whilst celebrating then they need to get out more.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: amfy on January 23, 2022, 04:40:01 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.

I got hit by an flying bottle at V festival a few years ago. Caught me on the side of the head & believe me I almost felt like I HAD been shot!  It really hurt and & stunned me & for a few minutes I really didnít think I was OK.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2022, 05:01:16 PM
If you can't take it you shouldn't give it out.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2022, 05:14:42 PM
So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
I don't think I said that in my original reply. You need to read that. I said PLAYERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A GO AT FANS. And my comment was general not about yesterday.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Ian. on January 23, 2022, 05:20:29 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.

Really? Iíd say itís a awful thing to do at a football match and they should be banned for life. Why would they be play acting? What would the point of that be.

As for celebrating near their crowd, I donít think that was the original intention and the players shouldnít be blamed. They are caught in the moment. If people canít handle it and have to resort to throwing bottles or whatever at them they really shouldnít be allowed to be there.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.

Really? Iíd say itís a awful thing to do at a football match and they should be banned for life. Why would they be play acting? What would the point of that be.

As for celebrating near their crowd, I donít think that was the original intention and the players shouldnít be blamed. They are caught in the moment. If people canít handle it and have to resort to throwing bottles or whatever at them they really shouldnít be allowed to be there.

Agreed. And it's why things like having the refs giving their VAR decisions audibly to football fans like they do in rugby will almost certainly never happen. Even if they're only a small proportion there are still too many arseholes at football matches.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2022, 05:44:46 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: KevinGage on January 23, 2022, 05:56:02 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit. Grown men throwing coins at people, what an embarrassment.
maybe that sums up a rather entitled major of the British population by the looks of things.

I liked calling Deeney a wanker at VP, then found it fairly amusing when he gave a bit back after scoring, then even more amusing chanting "Deeney, what's the score" at the end. Then at full time he acknowledged us (I think), we all had a little chuckle and went to the pub for a pint.

Aye, it's pantomime more than anything else.

With Deeney's dubious choice of team to support, I get why he does it. Less so why that Brentford bellend earlier in the season needed to make the zulu sign at the Holte.

Deeney seemed to have more concern for us going down in 2016 and the impact it would have on non matchday staff than our own players did. So he went up in my estimation after that.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 23, 2022, 06:02:58 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?

I'd like to think I would.

Although at Anfield this season some sort of drink was thrown at their fans after they scored. Open bottle because there was a bit of liquid when it landed. Didn't hit anyone so no harm done. Didn't see who did it but if it was the person next to me what would I have done? Honestly I think I probably would have muttered under my breath and ignored it.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 23, 2022, 06:12:11 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit.
I am sorry but players have NO right to have a go at fans. Fans in the ground pay their money, players are there to perform. However there is no way fans should be throwing stuff to harm players.

I think thatís a bit precious too be honest. Iíve got no problem with players giving a bit back to fans, especially given the level of abuse theyíre subject to. If fans canít handle getting it back they shouldnít dish it out in the first place.

Very precious. I would absolutely rejoice in giving it back to fans who had hammered me all game. Might pull out a 'Your mom' joke.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Rory on January 23, 2022, 06:14:39 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?

If I was asked, or there was an appeal for witnesses, absolutely. I doubt I'd go out of my way to report it at the game, though.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 06:15:53 PM
So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
I don't think I said that in my original reply. You need to read that. I said PLAYERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A GO AT FANS. And my comment was general not about yesterday.

Yeah I read it mate. Depends what you mean by "HAVE A GO"? If you mean cupping ears, fist pump, shushing etc then my point remains the same.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2022, 06:16:20 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?

If I was asked, or there was an appeal for witnesses, absolutely. I doubt I'd go out of my way to report it at the game, though.

I would. It's fucking disgraceful and assault on an innocent person going about their job.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Rory on January 23, 2022, 06:19:19 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?

If I was asked, or there was an appeal for witnesses, absolutely. I doubt I'd go out of my way to report it at the game, though.

I would. It's fucking disgraceful and assault on an innocent person going about their job.

I quite agree, just being realistic about how I imagine I'd respond.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2022, 06:19:37 PM
So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
I don't think I said that in my original reply. You need to read that. I said PLAYERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A GO AT FANS. And my comment was general not about yesterday.

Yeah I read it mate. Depends what you mean by "HAVE A GO"? If you mean cupping ears, fist pump, shushing etc then my point remains the same.
I think  that's fine. It's the stuff from there onwards to where it ended up with Cantona that's not right. :)
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Fans spend 90 minutes calling players wankers and the second a player gives them a little wink or a smirk they lose their shit. Grown men throwing coins at people, what an embarrassment.
maybe that sums up a rather entitled major of the British population by the looks of things.

I liked calling Deeney a wanker at VP, then found it fairly amusing when he gave a bit back after scoring, then even more amusing chanting "Deeney, what's the score" at the end. Then at full time he acknowledged us (I think), we all had a little chuckle and went to the pub for a pint.

This.

I too gave Deeney some in that 2-1 game a couple of Januarys ago, and i thought to myself, fair play to him when he gave it back after scoring, it was quite funny the way he did it. My ambivalence was obviously helped by us scoring a last minute winner.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2022, 06:29:54 PM
So because fans contribute a small percentage of their own teams wages, opposition players can't cheer or celebrate in their general direction? What a load of nonsense.
I don't think I said that in my original reply. You need to read that. I said PLAYERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE A GO AT FANS. And my comment was general not about yesterday.

Yeah I read it mate. Depends what you mean by "HAVE A GO"? If you mean cupping ears, fist pump, shushing etc then my point remains the same.
I think  that's fine. It's the stuff from there onwards to where it ended up with Cantona that's not right. :)

Fair enough. Bit of a leap to go from discussing Cash fist pumping to someone hypothetically launching themselves into the crowd though.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: nigel on January 23, 2022, 07:21:18 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?

Definitely
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 23, 2022, 07:31:26 PM
Straw poll - if it happened near you would you tell the police who did it?

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2022, 07:45:47 PM
I didnít like stuff thrown at the players, but i also didnít like our player lying down on the pitch like heíd been shot. Also lets not act all holier than thou because Iíve seen our fans throw stuff onto pitches as well. Itís just things that happen in the heat of the moment really. Not good but not the end of the world either.
A full bottle of pop with the lid on hurled from the stands would bloody hurt if it whacked you on the head so he had every right to go down. It's way worse than "not good" it's a very worrying trend that has crept into the game again recently. It needs to be taken seriously and the guilty ones given a lengthy ban. It is also a criminal offence for which he should be arrested. If someone threw a bottle at your head in the street you'd want them dealt with by the law surely?

Nah, he'd just get up and walk on. Just one of those things isn't it?
Your comment really made me chuckle. Or lol as the kids say.
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2022, 08:08:31 PM
They would have brought the bottle in with him as, if they got it in the ground, the top would have been removed. Probably for this very reason?
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 23, 2022, 08:35:26 PM
Micky Quinn famously had a pie threw at him during a corner which he caught and took a bite out of
Title: Re: Bottle Job
Post by: BC Villain on January 23, 2022, 10:05:36 PM
Still trying to get my head around the commentators suggesting it was all the fault of our players for daring to celebrate.

Of course it was. We were the big bads who spoiled the party and Big Duncs return. I'm sure the press hadn't been bigging up Gerards first return to Everton as a manager, Digne's return and how Dunc would be instilling fight and erm bottle into the team and get them on winning ways.

It is the same reason when our fans invade the pitch after a big win, it is the return of the darkest times. If other fans do it, it is the magic of the cup.

Victim-blaming, pure and simple. Where exactly in an away game are the players supposed to celebrate?

Should the Premier League mandate a solemn handshake in the centre circle, while VAR checks for a reason to disallow the goal. Then two minutes later, the players can nod at each other like vague acquaintances might do in a Yorkshire pub, a quick slap on the back and back to work chaps.

And if players run any distance to celebrate with their travelling fans, the jobsworths in black can't wait to book them for over celebrating!
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