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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2022, 02:27:44 PM
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Jesus Christ
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A massive win, even if the second half was tough going and seemed to last an hour and a half.
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If smith was here we would’ve won 4-0. Poor from Gerrard.
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Had to suffer but a great win against a very Brexit Everton side
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Not pretty. But a win is a win.
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If smith was here we would’ve won 4-0. Poor from Gerrard.
8)
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That was nerve wracking. TG it's over.
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We survived the almost nailed-on nterim manager/club legend bounce, but the second half was poor. We'll play etter than that and lose.
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Hard work at times but resilient which is always a good base to build from.
Plenty to work on in the best 2 weeks.
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Great win against Wimbledon circa 1991.
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I didn't like that. I like the result but didn't like the game.
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Very pleased with the clean sheet against a niggly verging on dirty side
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Bright, enterprising first half.
Reminded me of the Brian Little side, with the fullbacks bombing on.
Concerning drop off in the second half.
Don't think we deserved the win in all honesty, even if Everton were largely muck in the final third. But will take it.
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50p 20p at the end, but a solid if unspectacular game.
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Good result if not the best performance we've ever seen. Clean sheet too.
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Never in doubt....
Can we please have a comfortable win soon.
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That was a grind.
Good three points and Buendia my MOTM.
Enjoy your weekend - UTV!
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Absolutely brilliant!
Great solid win.
Held firm second half didn't offer anything but didn't need too as first half much better side and plenty of positives
Can only credit that strong solid win.
Satisfying
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Big win. Deserved.
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Terrible game but feels like a really important win for us.
A bit worrying we put our best possible first 11 on the pitch but could not play any football. In mitigation, I think very few teams would have been able to do much better. Everton were really fired up and physical today, for obvious reasons.
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Thank you Villa. Will enjoy the rest of the WE.
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Great performance from us Quality in the first half, battling in the 2nd.
Tough game that as they were really up for it.
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It's these type of results that will take us further up the table. Mings was distracted again and pretty amiss with headers. Digne was superb.
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A win’s a win.
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A beautiful, ugly win.
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Got massive headaches watching second half
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That was nerve wracking. TG it's over.
Feel the same way, especially about the last 20 mins, but the choruses of ‘Allez Allez Allez’ were very heartening to hear and must have helped!
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As the London Media Mafia quickly revise their Scouse Comback versus That Unfashionable Brummie Team headlines...
My heart is still hammering!
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That'll do, albeit painful at times to watch. Great header, very solid defending. Onwards.
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Good teams play badly and still manage to win.
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We had 52% possession. They had 9 corners to our three and more shots. I'm a nervous wreck. Not a game of playing it on the floor and keeping possession. Crikey!
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Not pretty. Not Great
But ill take a 1-0 every week now until may under the same circs
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First double over Everton in about a million years. I missed the specific number, the commentators were more concerned with criticizing Gerrard for daring to celebrate.
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Also we are Aston Villa we just don’t do breakaway goal to make it comfortable.
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That Gordon can pick a pass.
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https://youtu.be/h_SpODfOAlM
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Good teams play badly and still manage to win.
This.
We ground it out and did what we had to. They didn't have any real clear chances.
There were a lot of bookings but a lot that went unpunished. Holgate, Allan and Richarlison all deserved more.
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Great result and battling, committed performance.
There's clearly a heck of a spirit in this team.
Wonderful to have a two week break on the back of a win.
And to those Everton scrotes who threw missiles at our boys? Have that defeat you pond life morons.
Up the Villa!!
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
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Chuffed with the 3 points, to say it was hard fought is an understatement. Cash my MOTM, Emi hardly had a save to make even though they bombarded us with long balls for pretty much all of the second half.
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We rode our luck in the second-half, but winning ugly has been one of things we needed to improve, so a good result.
Thought Watkins and especially Mings were poor.
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Buendia superb, always going to be difficult today because we faced the occasion as well as the opposition. No luck about it - fully deserved for me. They should be ashamed - why didn't they put that in all season?.
Count the number of bottles on the ground when we celebrated - I got to five and I bet they shoplifted every fucking one of them.
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A better team would have got back into that.
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Great result, not good performance. Everton understandingly we at us, forced too many errors...and a lot of unforced ones. Need to stop being sloppy. Everton are poor though.
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It's these type of results that will take us further up the table. Mings was distracted again and pretty amiss with headers. Digne was superb.
Mings held firm entilted to criticise but unecessary when he was solid captaining and organising did well really and kept a clean sheet.
Any mishaps didn't lead to any goal.
Thought he was strong overall and result proved it
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Great 1st half performance
Great defence 2nd half.
Everton were always going to up it and throw everything at us, so I don’t think it was our drop in performance
Tyrone should not have been booked either.
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Good stuff that game was always going to be tricky, that’s an important win.
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Pleased with the win. Hated the 2nd half, we may have battled well but we don’t half make it difficult for ourselves with sloppiness throughout. Bundia, MOM again. Cash not far behind.
Everton will hoof their way out of trouble as their physicality is greater than others down there.
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Good for Coutinho to get some minutes in the legs.
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Its always tough against Burnley tbf.
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We rode our luck in the second-half, but winning ugly has been one of things we needed to improve, so a good result.
Thought Watkins and especially Mings were poor.
He was booked for being fouled by Richarlison - backed into him when hew already in the air for the header. Apart from that, barring a couple of misplaced passes/clearances (which most of our players also did), from what I saw, he hardly put a foot wrong.
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Think my blood pressure has started to come down a bit now, don't won't to go through another 45 mins like that for a while, still under the circumstances a very good 3 points.
UP THE VILLA
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Good for Coutinho to get some minutes in the legs.
Sure but he is a long way from being fully fit.
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Valuable win when playing badly. Watkins is a real concern, he was dreadful. McGinn was shite as well.
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
Some really harsh scores!
Mings 5 for keeping a clean sheet.
Not McGinn's best game but a 3.
That's ridiculous.
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Disappointed we couldn't keep the first-half performance going, but some sort of reaction was to be expected. They threw everything at us in the second half, and we held firm. They had chances, but I don't think Emi has had a proper save to make bar that one he palmed away from Mings' head?
It was a nervous last 15, and would have liked to see us kill them off on the break, but it didn't look like we actually wanted to score a second, and were happy sitting back and stopping them scoring.
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Very good to watch, first half more so, as it was 100mph, back and forth. The ref largely let the game flow. We edged it all told, rarely troubled.
Second half was more of a grind, but still feisty. I enjoy games like this, even if quality can be a bit thin on the ground.
Emi2 shone for me, Ramsey too. Mings is a worry and if we're in the hunt for a CH, it's honestly got to be a step up from Tyrone, or at least genuine competition. I think McGinn gave us a bit more bite and aggression that Sanson might have struggled to supply, so in all we kept a grip on midfield. It wasn't his best as far as going forward by any stretch but we needed that snarl/backside today. Douglas is still an issue, but still has something to offer in the 8 position.
And in terms of Emi2 getting a headed goal to win it, that's been coming. He's surprisingly good in the air. I think he's quality and I look forward to the run-in.
Phil looks a few weeks off fitness and once the players get on his wavelength we'll see more. I think the pace of the game was a bit frantic for him at this stage. I think he'll have a better time of it back at VP.
Good win. Deserved on the whole. Probably a lot tougher than had they still had Rafa in charge. In fairness Big Dunc got them putting a proper shift in. I really don't see the point in Richarlison apart from his ability to moan. Thankfully DCL was about as fit as Coutinho was. Bottle throwing bellends aside, I don't mind Everton too much in the grand scheme, and we're often scrapping around on par with them year on year, give or take.
4 pts from the last two is a decent return because these are tough games. We don't generally like Goodison and we hate playing Utd. Circumstances with Ferguson coming in were also a potential banana skin. More good progress from Gerrard's side. I think a summer window and pre-season could see a very good season next year.
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If Big Dunc long ball is what Everton fans have so desperately yearned for then by god they are in big big trouble. Great win and lovely to do the double over them, something we frequently did in the 90s.
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
Some really harsh scores!
Mings 5 for keeping a clean sheet.
Not McGinn's best game but a 3.
That's ridiculous.
Most of Everton's best moments came off Mings mistakes. McGinn was absolutely shocking I thought, with and without the ball.
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Good result despite a lacklustre second half going forwards.
Buendia looking better and better.
Coutinho off the pace, but the minutes will have helped him a lot today.
Mings was a bit of a liability at times in possession, but we needed his height and he defended the box well.
Fullbacks anonymous second half but ok first half.
Not McGinns best game.
Good performance from Emi 1 and Pickford for them. Could have been more goals from both sides otherwise.
Starting to worry more about both Watkins and ings. They can't play together, but now also look rubbish played alone too.
Luiz anonymous.
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If Big Dunc long ball is what Everton fans have so desperately yearned for then by god they are in big big trouble. Great win and lovely to do the double over them, something we frequently did in the 90s.
I think at this point they'll probably appreciate a genuine shift. But there's a big disparity between their standout players, and the gap fillers. They've made dreadful signings in the last 5 years.
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As bad as Everton have been, they aren't far behind us. Only four points if they win the game in hand.
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Because I'm shocking at arithmetic, I set my alarm for 8.30. Sounds like I didn't miss much.
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Villa won yeah!!!
(The above contribution from my nephew Jasper on his first contribution to Heroes & Villans - straight in the deep end on The Post Match Thread!)
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Terrible game but feels like a really important win for us.
A bit worrying we put our best possible first 11 on the pitch but could not play any football. In mitigation, I think very few teams would have been able to do much better. Everton were really fired up and physical today, for obvious reasons.
I think the circumstances dictated the type of game it was going to be, absolutely awful from a football point of view but we won which is really the only positive to take from the game. Quickly forgotten and we move on to hopefully better games!
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Because I'm shocking at arithmetic, I set my alarm for 8.30. Sounds like I didn't miss much.
This is a good website that should help...
https://worldsoccertalk.com/premier-league-tv-schedule/ (https://worldsoccertalk.com/premier-league-tv-schedule/)
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Quote from Tyrone Mings post-match
Aston Villa's Tyrone Mings on Match of the Day: "This is a very proud club and they have obviously been going through a difficult patch, we knew the change of manager would give them a bit of inspiration and the only way they could hurt us really is if we let them play to the crowd's hand.
"The first half was pleasing, managing to diffuse that. It wasn't the greatest football game but was a pleasure to be here and win. They had to come out and try and win the game, we had to be aware the game was going to change, stand up to the challenge, show a different side to ourselves.
"We have played some excellent football and taken on board what the manager wants, but we have been a little bit soft and the only thng you can do is roll your sleeves up."
On Villa players being hit by a bottle: "They did and it was disgusting really, it is about all they have got... they tried to make it ugly, tried to make it an intimidating atmosphere and we came and got the three points. That will hopefully be dealt with but all you can do is get up and carry on."
"I am really excited, I love being a part of this club, love being captain, love everything this club stands for both on and off the pitch. I think we have made some brilliant signings, a fantastic squad. The club is going in the right direciton, we have stability, owners that want to take the club to the next level and players that want to push each other. It is a pleasure to be a part of."
What you want to hear from the captiain
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Excellent win!
1st half we were easily the better side. Played all thr football and went close with Watkins and the free kick. I cannot think of anything of note they created, beyond a Clavet-Lewin header that nearly went our for a throw in.
2nd half they changed changed system slightly and decided that to stop us playing football, they'd stop the ball being on the deck.
They're a huge side, which made Emi's goal all the better, but they won so many 50/50s in the air and swarmed for knock downs.
It was dire, agricultural, rubbish and we couldn't get a grip of the ball, so it kept coming back.
It was very refreshing to see us roll our sleeves up and grind it out. Emi made one save of note, but we did well to restrict them. 1 chance from open play.
Pity we were bullied a bit physically in midfield and couldn't take a grip of the game. If we'd done better with that chance at the start of the 2nd half, we might have had a more comfortable time of it.
My son's 1st away goal and win! We were absolutely choked by the pyro mind.
The Countinho song is class!
Watkins, Countinho, both neither at the races. Need that brute in midfield to give us control.
Great win though.
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Because I'm shocking at arithmetic, I set my alarm for 8.30. Sounds like I didn't miss much.
This is a good website that should help...
https://worldsoccertalk.com/premier-league-tv-schedule/ (https://worldsoccertalk.com/premier-league-tv-schedule/)
I appreciate that, thank you, but no website on earth can stop me being thick!
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The bottle throwing incident was a disgrace. It’s only a matter of time before a player gets seriously injured. It’d be so easy to stamp this out if the offending supporters team were docked 3 points and fined.
Unbelievably, one of the commentators insinuated that the villa players shouldn’t have celebrated nr the Everton supporters.
Buendia & Digne were great today. UTV
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Good to see us grind out the win. Following the investment by the owners it is up to the players and the manager to turn us from nearly good to really good. There is some way to go in this regard and it is clear that we are something of a work in progress. When we won the league in 1981 there were a lot of games where we had to grind it out there weren't too many games where we won at a canter, that's just the way of things sometimes. Enjoy your weekend everyone. Time to crack open the Aldi single malt. :)
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A great win against opposition that we knew beforehand were going to be up for it. Not having BT I didn't see the game but it sounds as though we fought fire with fire in the second half, something we never seemed to be able to do very often in the past. Well done Villa.
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Job done, thought we stood up well to such a direct approach. I thought that back pass for a corner aside that Mings was excellent, attacked everything and got some vital blocks in. Suspect Konsa wasn’t 100%.
McGinn started on fire then disappeared & Watkins seemed very slow whenever the ball came his way
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A better team would have got back into that.
Alternatively we can say under Smith we would have lost that match this season. Based on the statistical evidence.
Credit to Gerrard he's had one more game that Smith and improved the defence immeasurably.
Smith conceded 20 goals in 11 matches
Gerrard 12 in 12 matches.
Him and his coaching team have certainly made us more compact and resilient. A 1-0 from a set piece is kind of where we are at till we improve in the attacking play noticeably open play , shots on goal and accuracy both final pass and shot at goal
It's 14 goals under Gerrard now with one more game played than Smith
And 14 goals before he came under Dean.
So there has been no major goal scoring improvement but then that's been noticeable
The clear step up has been in defence and may have to get use to these sorts of performances and results- wins though!
Of course we won 3-0 in home fixture memorable display by Bailey and the team second half with plenty of pace and excitement. It's a different style now and far more likely to hold on to a one nil win or keep a clean sheet as that's the first priority under Gerrard in defence.
I think that will evolve but very pleased with the win as it was a typical Gerrard style win showed all the charcteristic and what's thus far been the case this season even before him and under Dean that a set play has aided us getting a win
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Quote from Tyrone Mings post-match
Aston Villa's Tyrone Mings on Match of the Day: "This is a very proud club and they have obviously been going through a difficult patch, we knew the change of manager would give them a bit of inspiration and the only way they could hurt us really is if we let them play to the crowd's hand.
"The first half was pleasing, managing to diffuse that. It wasn't the greatest football game but was a pleasure to be here and win. They had to come out and try and win the game, we had to be aware the game was going to change, stand up to the challenge, show a different side to ourselves.
"We have played some excellent football and taken on board what the manager wants, but we have been a little bit soft and the only thng you can do is roll your sleeves up."
On Villa players being hit by a bottle: "They did and it was disgusting really, it is about all they have got... they tried to make it ugly, tried to make it an intimidating atmosphere and we came and got the three points. That will hopefully be dealt with but all you can do is get up and carry on."
"I am really excited, I love being a part of this club, love being captain, love everything this club stands for both on and off the pitch. I think we have made some brilliant signings, a fantastic squad. The club is going in the right direciton, we have stability, owners that want to take the club to the next level and players that want to push each other. It is a pleasure to be a part of."
What you want to hear from the captiain
Brilliant, like he was today under a fuckload of pressure
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Villa won yeah!!!
(The above contribution from my nephew Jasper on his first contribution to Heroes & Villans - straight in the deep end on The Post Match Thread!)
Bloody happy clapper
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The Countinho song is class!
What is the Coutinho song?
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For those who are slating our captain, here are the ratings from the B'ham Mail:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/aston-villa-player-ratings-everton-22840628
I wouldn't have made him Motm and there were a few sloppy moments but his leadership, determination and resilience are vital in games like this.
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Any link to the goal yet?
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Deserved to be in front at half time and then rode the storm second half. Every win should be cherished and this is no different. Easier run of games on paper coming up, let's see if we can get a run going.
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Was a tough game and could have gone either way. Had concerns prior to the game of the no more Benitez effect but we did great. Moment of quality from Buendia-he’s looking a great player
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For those who are slating our captain, here are the ratings from the B'ham Mail:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/aston-villa-player-ratings-everton-22840628
I wouldn't have made him Motm and there were a few sloppy moments but his leadership, determination and resilience are vital in games like this.
I think that's about fair, Digne, Cash, Mings and Buendia were the 4 I had in the running for motm and I couldn't really understand why so many people were criticising Mings on the match thread.
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
Some really harsh scores!
Mings 5 for keeping a clean sheet.
Not McGinn's best game but a 3.
That's ridiculous.
It's the same every week from him. Attention seeking.
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I didn't see the game, but I love Tyrone Mings, and will happily have his babies.
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A good win. Was hanging in there at times towards the end.
Pleased for Buendia, he’s turning it on lately.
Winning away ugly is ok with me when games get scrappy like that.
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Job done, thought we stood up well to such a direct approach. I thought that back pass for a corner aside that Mings was excellent, attacked everything and got some vital blocks in. Suspect Konsa wasn’t 100%.
McGinn started on fire then disappeared & Watkins seemed very slow whenever the ball came his way
Pretty much spot on. We had to show another side of our game today and we delivered. It wasn't pretty at times but then we were up against Duncan Ferguson's Everton so it never was going to be. Big worry still remains the lack of real chances we're creating. Playing so much through the middle doesn't produce much except shots from outside the box. Not sure Ollie is suited to working with far better technical players around him. His first touch is poor and his second not much better.
Overall, a tough, niggly game where we more than held our own and a very welcome win and three points.
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Mings made a couple of fuck ups and school boy errors (giving corner in first half trying to pass to Martinez under no pressure) anyway we did not concede.
Bunedia best player on pitch first half, dropped off in second but was trying to urge the team to move up as we were under a semi self inflicted cosh
SJM , never a 3, I think Bronte has a downer on him, he pissed them off a lot
Great win, could have had big Dunc headlines written all over it
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Any link to the goal yet?
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1484900376994328582?cxt=HHwWjMC5mdHBtpspAAAA
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
Some really harsh scores!
Mings 5 for keeping a clean sheet.
Not McGinn's best game but a 3.
That's ridiculous.
It's the same every week from him. Attention seeking.
Blimey there's some tough marking here!
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The Countinho song is class!
What is the Coutinho song?
Crap.
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
Some really harsh scores!
Mings 5 for keeping a clean sheet.
Not McGinn's best game but a 3.
That's ridiculous.
It's the same every week from him. Attention seeking.
I'm just amazed he didn't give El Ghazi a 9. ;) Over the years I generally find myself agreeing with Bronte but his match rating are his weakest posts.
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For those who are slating our captain, here are the ratings from the B'ham Mail:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/aston-villa-player-ratings-everton-22840628
I wouldn't have made him Motm and there were a few sloppy moments but his leadership, determination and resilience are vital in games like this.
I think that's about fair, Digne, Cash, Mings and Buendia were the 4 I had in the running for motm and I couldn't really understand why so many people were criticising Mings on the match thread.
Some things never change. Have to ignore or keep trying to explain to them but they just want to critics him unecessary
Mings seems to be judged different standards more than other players by some.
He's fantastic in my eyes and was again today.
I love the way he comes into any melees and basically opposing players back down when they see him. He's very fair in calming players and basically puts an arm round them like he's generally the biggest player on the pitch so every one does what he says.
What we all probably enjoyed though a bit naughty was when he tossed Richarlsion aside.
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Not exactly one to remember but with three precious points it was ultimately deserved. Was great to see Gerrard smugly waltz across the pitch at the end, have some relegation you miserable, missile throwing bastards. The victim blaming commentators alike, poor form.
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Result aside, that was a rotten performance. Two really poor teams. Everton have to be in real danger of going down. Cash shut down Gray really well, Digne was very good. Konsa and Luiz solid. After that, individually and collectively poor. How McGinn lasted 96 mins is a mystery.
Martinez 6 - very little to do
Cash 7 - shut down Gray really well, liked his cynical yellow that McGinn was at fault for
Konsa 7 - solid as always
Mings 5 - so many mistakes and poor decisions
Digne 7 - to be fair, he does look an improvement on Targett
Luiz 7 - solid performance in front of back 4
Ramsey 6 - some very good moments in first half but quiet in second half
McGinn 3 - rubbish
coutinho 5 - some nice touches in first half, no impact in second
Buendia 6 - see Countinho but got the goal
Watkins 4 - gets into good positions but again wasted pretty much every opportunity. His first touch is rotten.
Chucky and Ings hardly got a kick. Hause at least won a few headers. Gerrard was far too slow to make changes and very fortunate not to pay the price.
Some really harsh scores!
Mings 5 for keeping a clean sheet.
Not McGinn's best game but a 3.
That's ridiculous.
It's the same every week from him. Attention seeking.
Blimey there's some tough marking here!
Agreed, I’d have gone with a 5 for McGinn and at least a 6 for Mings, Buendia was worthy of a 7 for me too
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The Countinho song is class!
What is the Coutinho song?
Crap.
? Oddball.
He went to Barca and won the league in Spain
He went to Munich and won the league again
He's fucking magic
And don't you fucking know
His name Philippe
Philippe Countinho!
Together with excessive bouncing about. To the tune of Salt n Pepper Push It.
Thought it was a very noisy affair from our lot, in stark contrast to the absolute shite that their fans are. Clothes honk of pyro though. Grim.
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And may I add on Mings he nearkyvhad a couple of assists and excellent balls forward as well as movements up the pitch to set attacks
People never mention that do they just want to go on about how he gave away a needless corner with an sloppy right footed back pass.
Under Smith earlier in season I would think because he's such a leader he's always looking at whole picture and pitch of all his players and where they should be leads him ot distracting from his own performance.
Under Gerrard
His mistakes still happens now on occasions because he assumes so much responsibility.
If anyone was asking what sort of person do you want as a captain Mings leads that not just in this team but in the league.
He's a natural and we're lucky to have him so let's appreciate him some more for those who don't like his occasional mistakes remember his overall quality
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Any link to the goal yet?
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1484900376994328582?cxt=HHwWjMC5mdHBtpspAAAA
Thank you
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Mings defended well, but he carries on making silly and needless unforced errors, eg:
First half, passed it to absolutely nobody, straight for an Everton throw.
Second half, gets the ball by our goal line, tries to pass it back to Martinez but instead it goes straight out for a corner.
Also second half, in a rare bit of possession by us, he calls it for, then lofts it miles from the nearest Villa player straight back to Pickford.
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? Oddball.
He went to Barca and won the league in Spain
He went to Munich and won the league again
He's fucking magic
And don't you fucking know
His name Philippe
Philippe Countinho!
Together with excessive bouncing about. To the tune of Salt n Pepper Push It.
Too much unnecessary swearing, not one for the kids.
Saw the mad bouncing around, 5 minutes after the end and wondered what the hell was going on. It looked brilliant fun.
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This win is a great start to watching weekend football. And it's always good to finish well when a break starts. Can't wait for Leeds home sometimes in the next millennium.
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Any link to the goal yet?
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1484900376994328582?cxt=HHwWjMC5mdHBtpspAAAA
And
Dave here's 20 minutes highlights of the match
Jon Champion And Jim Beglin
https://www.yoursoccerdose.com/18138993-everton-vs-aston-villa-premier-league/#3
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Quote from Tyrone Mings post-match
Aston Villa's Tyrone Mings on Match of the Day: "This is a very proud club and they have obviously been going through a difficult patch, we knew the change of manager would give them a bit of inspiration and the only way they could hurt us really is if we let them play to the crowd's hand.
"The first half was pleasing, managing to diffuse that. It wasn't the greatest football game but was a pleasure to be here and win. They had to come out and try and win the game, we had to be aware the game was going to change, stand up to the challenge, show a different side to ourselves.
"We have played some excellent football and taken on board what the manager wants, but we have been a little bit soft and the only thng you can do is roll your sleeves up."
On Villa players being hit by a bottle: "They did and it was disgusting really, it is about all they have got... they tried to make it ugly, tried to make it an intimidating atmosphere and we came and got the three points. That will hopefully be dealt with but all you can do is get up and carry on."
"I am really excited, I love being a part of this club, love being captain, love everything this club stands for both on and off the pitch. I think we have made some brilliant signings, a fantastic squad. The club is going in the right direciton, we have stability, owners that want to take the club to the next level and players that want to push each other. It is a pleasure to be a part of."
What you want to hear from the captiain
Brilliant, like he was today under a fuckload of pressure
He was indeed brilliant defensively today. Poor in possession but I don’t care, he’s an inspiration.
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Very important 3 points, as soon as they sacked Rafa the difficulty level went up for this game. Clean sheet is a bonus, can't fault the commitment from the players even if we did struggle to get it down and play. Next few games will decide our season so this gives us a launchpad.
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And yes Press and Media all that fuss about big Dunc take that you arseholes. He is the perennial caretaker and I am afraid passion and intimidation doesn't work every time especially against a solid pro outfit like the Villa.
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The draw with United and the win at Everton, who I thought named a strong side to be fair, won't have done our changes of signing targets any harm at all. Backs to the wall in the second half but we stood up and for all their pressure, only had one shot on target, which Mings headed off the line. In the right place at the right time, even though he made the odd rick today. I am a bit concerned about Ollie Watkins at the moment, just not firing.
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While Jacob Ramsey wasn't at the top of his game today he was 💯 up for it. In matches like that the fact he is as hard as nails and doesn't bat an eyelid in physical games really shows. Love to see it in such a young player. Fearless.
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The Countinho song is class!
What is the Coutinho song?
Crap.
? Oddball.
He went to Barca and won the league in Spain
He went to Munich and won the league again
He's fucking magic
And don't you fucking know
His name Philippe
Philippe Countinho!
Together with excessive bouncing about. To the tune of Salt n Pepper Push It.
Thought it was a very noisy affair from our lot, in stark contrast to the absolute shite that their fans are. Clothes honk of pyro though. Grim.
I can't imagine the words to the music. Anyone got a video?
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Haven't read this thread yet.
A great hard fought win today. Well done lads. It was nice to see Coutinho get 70 mins. Buendia's goal was a fantastic header.
A good 1st half from us and a resilient 2nd. After half time Everton became even more of a pub team reliant on their physicality and little else. Mings (who edged motm for me ahead of Buendia) stood up to them and was an awesome captain today leading the team.
What a miserable barstool Richarlison is and he should have been booked in the 1st half for a number of incidents. They don't half have some w*nkers for fans with that bottle/coin throwing incident. Never mind thanks for the 6 points this season toffees!
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My highlight of the match was Tim Howard on US TV calling out Jon Champion for saying it was the player's fault thugs chucked bottles at them. So rare a pundit actually makes any sense. Much more fun than that second half.
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
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OK I've heard the Coutinho song now.
It's better than most just a shame it's not original and the swearing.
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
One?
It was like recycling day on our estate when the wind gets up!
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Better than none!
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
I would say throw the book at him but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
One?
It was like recycling day on our estate when the wind gets up!
Pull up the drawbridge on your castle estate then!
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It’s part of the headlines on ITV news on tele now.
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A very welcome 3 points.
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However we got it, it was critical to get a win today. Not just to stop the run of poor results, our first league win in 5 I believe but we have a massive break until Leeds at home.
When is that Burnley game being rescheduled for?
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This win is a great start to watching weekend football. And it's always good to finish well when a break starts. Can't wait for Leeds home sometimes in the next millennium.
And that will be hopefully the last time we play them at home in the top league for at least another millennium.
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However we got it, it was critical to get a win today. Not just to stop the run of poor results, our first league win in 5 I believe but we have a massive break until Leeds at home.
When is that Burnley game being rescheduled for?
Not seen a date. It seems barmy not to be rearranging postponed games, regardless of any FA 'rules'.
I thought we withstood well the long ball game they opted for in the 2nd half, although we didn't get out so well. Ferguson won't get the job with those tactics.
The ground is old but I still enjoyed the walk through Stanley Park, made better by the win.
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https://viewsb.com/rm1pxag40kpp.html
The goal !
Careful, came up as a malicious/infected website on my Mac with Avast.
Better to wait for Legion to post the Sky Sports highlights. :)
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12522558/buend237a-header-sinks-everton
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12522558/buend237a-header-sinks-everton
Cheers!
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For those interested in how the Countinho song goes:
https://twitter.com/tehvisual/status/1482692573663744006?s=21
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This is the most positive I've felt about the Villa since we beat Blackburn 2-0 to go 3rd about 12 years back.
The owners, the CEO, the backroom, the manager, the squad, the academy, the fans, the potential.
Fucking love this club and I feel like everybody else involved with us does too.
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We struggled to get over the line today against a poor Everton side. Watkins I am starting to think is not the real deal, Mings how many balls he let go over him rather than try and do the easy thing and get shot early, Magic showed in patches and it was our two Argentina players who made the difference. Suppose it goes to show how we are improving in that when we do play iffy we can still win.
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Excellent win!
1st half we were easily the better side. Played all thr football and went close with Watkins and the free kick. I cannot think of anything of note they created, beyond a Clavet-Lewin header that nearly went our for a throw in.
2nd half they changed changed system slightly and decided that to stop us playing football, they'd stop the ball being on the deck.
They're a huge side, which made Emi's goal all the better, but they won so many 50/50s in the air and swarmed for knock downs.
It was dire, agricultural, rubbish and we couldn't get a grip of the ball, so it kept coming back.
It was very refreshing to see us roll our sleeves up and grind it out. Emi made one save of note, but we did well to restrict them. 1 chance from open play.
Pity we were bullied a bit physically in midfield and couldn't take a grip of the game. If we'd done better with that chance at the start of the 2nd half, we might have had a more comfortable time of it.
My son's 1st away goal and win! We were absolutely choked by the pyro mind.
The Countinho song is class!
Watkins, Countinho, both neither at the races. Need that brute in midfield to give us control.
Great win though.
Good summary.
Nice to be back at Goodison after over 20 years, showing its age, but still a throwback and id take going there all day over the soulless empty had.
Dogs of War second half and theres nothing wrong with a bit of that in some games, and ill take that all day long today.
Everton, famous old club, like ourselves, they look in a bit of bother to me.
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For those interested in how the Countinho song goes:
https://twitter.com/tehvisual/status/1482692573663744006?s=21
Cheers as when I read the words the 'Allez, Allez' tune kept coming into my head. Much better than the Wham 'Wake me up' one.
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I think this was a huge result today.
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How thick is Duncan Ferguson by the way, he makes Gabby sound like a PhD theoretical physicist.
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Like the way Ming's on occasions in the second half when last man decided to not mess about as in the past and kick it out
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
I would say throw the book at him but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
He wouldn't know what to do with it.
But as a matter of interest, why would throwing the book at someone for breaking the law and endangering somebody be a wrong?
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
I hope they played the Z-Cars theme as they did so.
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And yes Press and Media all that fuss about big Dunc take that you arseholes. He is the perennial caretaker and I am afraid passion and intimidation doesn't work every time especially against a solid pro outfit like the Villa.
The commentator on BT was absolutely desperate for Everton to score in the second half, to support their narrative of Big Dunc Turns It Round.
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This is the most positive I've felt about the Villa since we beat Blackburn 2-0 to go 3rd about 12 years back.
The owners, the CEO, the backroom, the manager, the squad, the academy, the fans, the potential.
Fucking love this club and I feel like everybody else involved with us does too.
Same
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Its as if Duncan intended to play and set the team up accordingly.
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We survived the almost nailed-on nterim manager/club legend bounce, but the second half was poor. We'll play etter than that and lose.
Reminded me of Southampton away last season.
Pretty solid first half and pinched a goal right at the end and then came under sustained pressure near the end.
Still we won, kept a clean sheet for first time in a month and with our run of games I really think we can solidify ourselves in top 10 for rest of the season,
Everton are desperate and really have the look of us around 2012-13. Some o.k forward players but rest of their team generally is clueless. Would still be odd to see them in the championship but they really aren't far off bottom 3 now.
For a little guy Buendia dosen't half have a good spring on him. Well done to the little fella, been excellent last few games and finally showing his worth.
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According to my Evertonian mate the club have announced anyone caught throwing projectiles onto the pitch will be given lifetime bans. He and 3,000 others have come forward.
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
I would say throw the book at him but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
He wouldn't know what to do with it.
But as a matter of interest, why would throwing the book at someone for breaking the law and endangering somebody be a wrong?
I read it as a joke. He threw a bottle, they throw a book back. Hence "two wrongs". I don't think he was genuinely suggesting they go leniently.
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
I would say throw the book at him but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
He wouldn't know what to do with it.
But as a matter of interest, why would throwing the book at someone for breaking the law and endangering somebody be a wrong?
I believe it was a clever pun, (made me smile anyway) - by throwing a book?
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How thick is Duncan Ferguson by the way, he makes Gabby sound like a PhD theoretical physicist.
I think the 2 blokes who broke into his house were far more stupid than either
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Good result and a difficult second half
But let’s be honest Coutinho was a bit rubbish and Watkins was Atrocious
But then look how Buendia turned out in the end so not writing him off no Siiiree
Absolutely not
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Game of two halves. Me moved the ball well first half and should have been a couple up. DF made subs and went for hoof ball and we got dragged into it. Buendia is some player and will only get better.
Be sad to see Goodison go as it’s a proper ground.
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What is the bane of he new coutinho song
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Thought he could have bought Hause on earlier to help stem the long ball, you can't play pretty football against a side that was a throwback to the thirties. Ugly win yes but a very important one it says to other clubs that we are not to be taken as a soft touch. JM did not play well but he supplied the aggression when needed in midfield in fact all the team put in a shift. I hope for Everton supporters they are not thinking of giving Ferguson the job permanently, he had one tactic today and it failed, well done Villa.
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There's a keeper!
From Argentina
Emi Martinez!
He loves the Villa
He's signed forever
He's Emi Martinez!
Our no.1
Our no.1
Our no.1
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There's a keeper!
From Argentina.....
To the tune of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' isn't it?
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Ta.
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Any goal links for us forrins (I've tried Twitter)?
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See a few posts back or on our FB Page.
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The Martinez song is great. Hope it takes off.
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There's a keeper!
From Argentina.....
To the tune of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' isn't it?
Yep
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Given all the circumstances, that was a fantastic victory. The best teams find ways to win even when up against it - its a good habit.
UTV
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There's a keeper!
From Argentina.....
To the tune of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' isn't it?
Yep
Thanks for the ear-worm!
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Any goal links for us forrins (I've tried Twitter)?
Footy has sorted it here:Everton 0-1 Villa
20 minute's
https://www.yoursoccerdose.com/18138993-everton-vs-aston-villa-premier-league/#3
10 minutes
https://highlightsfootball.net/video/everton-vs-aston-villa-highlights-3/
Our Boss
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7qzlv6IG0
Cash And Buendia
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CZCgR58w7h4
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See a few posts back or on our FB Page.
Thanks mate.
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Copious amounts of wine consumed, ie getting my excuses in early, but from Twitter it looks like Watkins & Cash made their way home by train. ????
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How thick is Duncan Ferguson by the way, he makes Gabby sound like a PhD theoretical physicist.
He's stealing a living from mostly being a spare prick within that club. Big Dunc bollocks and all that.
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Copious amounts of wine consumed, ie getting my excuses in early, but from Twitter it looks like Watkins & Cash made their way home by train. ????
Maybe it was prearranged with tomorrow off?
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Copious amounts of wine consumed, ie getting my excuses in early, but from Twitter it looks like Watkins & Cash made their way home by train. ????
Maybe it was prearranged with tomorrow off?
Looks like it, they're very good mates anyway and off to visit family apparently.
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They were on the 15.47 from Lime St. so didn't hang around for long after the game. Standard class, changed at Crewe.
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They were on the 15.47 from Lime St. so didn't hang around for long after the game. Standard class, changed at Crewe.
Cheers eastie. Did their WAGs join them at Crewe?
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They were on the 15.47 from Lime St. so didn't hang around for long after the game. Standard class, changed at Crewe.
Cheers eastie. Did their WAGs join them at Crewe?
Ollie was meeting up with Ollietta and having a weekend showing the new baby to her family in Wales. Cashy and Cashella are staying in a hotel for the night then tomorrow they're off to Cheshire Oaks.
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Yeah yeah, but what did they have from the trolley?
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I'm so pleased with the win and the clean sheet.
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They were on the 15.47 from Lime St. so didn't hang around for long after the game. Standard class, changed at Crewe.
Cheers eastie. Did their WAGs join them at Crewe?
Wouldn't like to say, they're entitled to their privacy.
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We struggled to get over the line today against a poor Everton side. Watkins I am starting to think is not the real deal, Mings how many balls he let go over him rather than try and do the easy thing and get shot early, Magic showed in patches and it was our two Argentina players who made the difference. Suppose it goes to show how we are improving in that when we do play iffy we can still win.
What tosh
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What is the bane of he new coutinho song
He went to Barca, he won the league in Spain
He went to Munich and Game of two halves. Me moved the ball well first half and should have been a couple up. DF made subs and went for hoof ball and we got dragged into it. Buendia is some player and will only get better.
Be sad to see Goodison go as it’s a proper ground.
It is a a real throwback but the views from the lower tier in the away end are awful. We could barely see any action down the right touch line towards the Gladwys street end. It will be a shame to move from a historic ground though.
The city centre after was banging - loads of bars near the Cavern overflowing with punters for the Mersey / Beatles experience. At 4pm it was like a holiday resort. I hadn’t been to Liverpool for about 3 years and I’d forgotten how friendly it is. Everton fans seem convinced they are going down and they remind me of us a few years back when we were listless.
A good win, a good but long day out from London, but not a game to stick in the scrapbook.
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Just watche the highlights if you could call them that. Looked quite intense but low quality from what I could tell. Really pleased with the 3 pts though as I thought Everton might sneak the win. Well done Villa, nice to see us be able to grind out a win and a clean sheet into the bargain. Was Chukwuemeka any good when he replaced Coutinho?
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Just watche the highlights if you could call them that. Looked quite intense but low quality from what I could tell. Really pleased with the 3 pts though as I thought Everton might sneak the win. Well done Villa, nice to see us be able to grind out a win and a clean sheet into the bargain. Was Chukwuemeka any good when he replaced Coutinho?
He wasn't really involved which I think was more a function of the game being played away from his patch.
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I was worried by the long ball and corners, we are not an overly tall defence, was happy when he bought Hause on.
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An Everton fan arrested following bottle throwing incident.
I would say throw the book at him but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
He wouldn't know what to do with it.
But as a matter of interest, why would throwing the book at someone for breaking the law and endangering somebody be a wrong?
I read it as a joke. He threw a bottle, they throw a book back. Hence "two wrongs". I don't think he was genuinely suggesting they go leniently.
Ah, of course. My fault, apologies.
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I can’t think of a time over the last 12 years when we would have won that game. We played it like it was a local derby because we knew that was how they would play with their new manager. I thought it was a great performance, not beautiful, but full of fight. Long may it continue.
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We struggled to get over the line today against a poor Everton side. Watkins I am starting to think is not the real deal, Mings how many balls he let go over him rather than try and do the easy thing and get shot early, Magic showed in patches and it was our two Argentina players who made the difference. Suppose it goes to show how we are improving in that when we do play iffy we can still win.
What tosh
Unfair on Watkins (and Ings too for that matter) cos he’s not getting the service he got last season. Mings was good in my opinion and Emi didn’t have that much to do despite Everton’s so called pressure
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I think Everton are more like us in 10/11 than 15/16. Yes they are under performing but I think they have the quality to get enough wins on the board. Would be astounded if they went down. Still rather be in our shoes than theirs.
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I think Everton are more like us in 10/11 than 15/16. Yes they are under performing but I think they have the quality to get enough wins on the board. Would be astounded if they went down. Still rather be in our shoes than theirs.
I think they’ve got the players but do they have the team? A lot of money has been spent by a succession of managers but they were playing like an Allardyce team in the second half. A lot depends on their next appointment.
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The link up for Watkins off side header was mesmorising.
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Good solid win. We could have done with getting a second goal and we'll need to work on that because other teams won't be as wasteful with their chances like Everton were. Buendia and Mings the pick of our players I thought.
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The link up for Watkins off side header was mesmorising.
What a cross as well, on his weak foot, absolutely perfect.
Regarding playing it like a derby that's exactly what it was like, a game against the rags, complete with dickhead home fans.
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I'm really concerned about our forward options at the moment though. Offside or not, Watkins should have buried that header, and he should have stuck that one away just before Pickford knocked him over. How long does Gerrard give Watkins and Ings before he starts thinking we need better?
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I'm really concerned about our forward options at the moment though. Offside or not, Watkins should have buried that header, and he should have stuck that one away just before Pickford knocked him over. How long does Gerrard give Watkins and Ings before he starts thinking we need better?
I’d imagine he’s already considering replacing at least one of them if not both.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
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I'm really concerned about our forward options at the moment though. Offside or not, Watkins should have buried that header, and he should have stuck that one away just before Pickford knocked him over. How long does Gerrard give Watkins and Ings before he starts thinking we need better?
Yes but... having a genuine goal scoring forward is the holy grail but not easy to achieve. I think our recruitment team has been absolutely right in picking up a potentially great forward when signing Watkins and also correct in getting Danny Ings, a proven goal scorer in the Premier League. Watkins has not improved from the initial promise and rest of the season will show if he has the necessary quality to work away from his current natural strengths that the opposition analysers have picked up and nullified to a large extent. Great players with real quality always find another way.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
I’m thinking the same, sure there are better forwards out there than Ollie but most are playing CL football. He’s a bit off form bit there is more to come, he’ll be fine.
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Think Watkins misses his comfort blanket Smith. He also isn’t exactly quick to go and celebrate goals not scored by him.
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Copious amounts of wine consumed, ie getting my excuses in early, but from Twitter it looks like Watkins & Cash made their way home by train. ????
Yep, they were on the same 15:47 Euston train as us. Said they were going to see family, although the picture of Watkins watching a pole dancer later in the evening would suggest otherwise.
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Why do you ignore the possibility that the pole dancer could be a family member? ;)
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Perhaps it was a family night out watching pole dancing. Have you considered that?
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
DCL was absolutely useless yesterday, worse than Watkins even. Worst player on the pitch. Everton are in huge trouble.
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Perhaps it was a family night out watching pole dancing. Have you considered that?
More plausible if it were Matty Cash.
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Why we went so defensive in the 2nd half I don't know, we hardly showed any attacking intent at all, but in the end Everton, for all their dominance in that half, only had 1 shot on target, so credit to the players for that.
Buendia was superb and when Coutinho gets up to speed, along with JJ and SJM, we are gonna have some midfield. Mings had a strange game, a mixture of absolute dominance and some stupid mistakes.
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Perhaps it was a family night out watching pole dancing. Have you considered that?
More plausible if it were Matty Cash.
Brilliant.
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Watkins not at his best but he’ll come good again. He’s a cracking player
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
I’m thinking the same, sure there are better forwards out there than Ollie but most are playing CL football. He’s a bit off form bit there is more to come, he’ll be fine.
We seem to forget he has a newish born baby. I well remember being so tired as a new dad. Fatherhood is wonderful but can also be very demanding.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
I’m thinking the same, sure there are better forwards out there than Ollie but most are playing CL football. He’s a bit off form bit there is more to come, he’ll be fine.
We seem to forget he has a newish born baby. I well remember being so tired as a new dad. Fatherhood is wonderful but can also be very demanding.
I thought he was ok first half, not as bad as some have made out and he held it up well. I do agree he lacked that killer instinct in front of goal. Should have buried that chance after such a great touch to get him into that position.
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If yesterday proves anything it's we're well up for a fight, not a single passenger on the team, each and every one of them gave it their all. Considering what we faced, you can't ask more than that. Good to see we can no longer be bullied. It's been a long time coming.
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I love ollie's energy and he's vital to how we play, but he's not a natural finisher, and i'm not sure if he ever will be (can that really be taught?). I'd be sticking with him for now but ultimately i fear an upgrade will be needed.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
But how many off days can he have? His finishing is woeful
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As for the game, great to get the three points. I thought we were a bit fortunate we finished our chance and they missed 3 good chances, the DCL open goal was the easiest chance in the game.
Big Dunc set up for it to be horrible and it was exactly that.
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I love ollie's energy and he's vital to how we play, but he's not a natural finisher, and i'm not sure if he ever will be (can that really be taught?). I'd be sticking with him for now but ultimately i fear an upgrade will be needed.
It didn't take long for Gerrard to decide that we needed an upgrade in the left back department, and if Watkins and Ings don't show a marked improvement, I think they'll be next. 5 goals at this stage of the season for a £30m striker is rubbish.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
But how many off days can he have? His finishing is woeful
I mentioned yesterday, he's lack of technique is being exposed with better players around him. He's far better suited to balls into the box from the wings than quick one-twos through the middle. Hopefully it's something he can work on. His first touch is still letting him down so I won't be holding my breath.
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5 goals at this stage of the season for a £30m striker is rubbish.
However only one forward (Jota) in the Premier League is into double figures at this stage. Others Salah, Kane, Lukaku etc are on 8/9 goals.
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5 goals at this stage of the season for a £30m striker is rubbish.
However only one forward (Jota) in the Premier League is into double figures at this stage. Others Salah, Kane, Lukaku etc are on 8/9 goals.
Eh? Salah is on 16.
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5 goals at this stage of the season for a £30m striker is rubbish.
However only one forward (Jota) in the Premier League is into double figures at this stage. Others Salah, Kane, Lukaku etc are on 8/9 goals.
Eh? Salah is on 16.
Ahha...bugger missed that but others who cost much more than Watkins are not exactly setting the League on fire.
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I think Ollie's work rate is such that you can forgive his slightly iffy technique, although he does occasionally show great skill, so he clearly has it in him.
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I think Ollie's work rate is such that you can forgive his slightly iffy technique, although he does occasionally show great skill, so he clearly has it in him.
Strikers are judged on their goals though, otherwise you end up with another Heskey on your hands.
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I think Ollie's work rate is such that you can forgive his slightly iffy technique, although he does occasionally show great skill, so he clearly has it in him.
Strikers are judged on their goals though, otherwise you end up with another Heskey on your hands.
I don't think Watkins is anywhere near that standard of Heskey at his best.
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I don't think Watkins is good enough, and if we can make our money back we should jump at it.
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Good win, but a poor game, Cash again played well, waiting to see what Digne will bring to the team.
Coutinho looked miles off the pace of the game, I think the ball boy behind the goal touched the ball more than he did!
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I love ollie's energy and he's vital to how we play, but he's not a natural finisher, and i'm not sure if he ever will be (can that really be taught?). I'd be sticking with him for now but ultimately i fear an upgrade will be needed.
It didn't take long for Gerrard to decide that we needed an upgrade in the left back department, and if Watkins and Ings don't show a marked improvement, I think they'll be next. 5 goals at this stage of the season for a £30m striker is rubbish.
Yes. I'm certain Gerrard will be looking to bring in an upgrade over summer.
It was interesting that was the first time Watkins has been substituted since he arrived. Sure, it was basically to bring on fresh legs to chase Everton's defenders, but still.
Over the season and a half here, Watkins has scored goals in clumps around droughts. He seems to lose confidence quite readily.
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Good win, but a poor game, Cash again played well, waiting to see what Digne will bring to the team.
Coutinho looked miles off the pace of the game, I think the ball boy behind the goal touched the ball more than he did!
Yet the ball boy didn't bring out a brilliant save from Pickford after a header.
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Good win, but a poor game, Cash again played well, waiting to see what Digne will bring to the team.
Coutinho looked miles off the pace of the game, I think the ball boy behind the goal touched the ball more than he did!
Yet the ball boy didn't bring out a brilliant save from Pickford after a header.
But he was half a mile offside.
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Coutinho headed the ball that Pickford saved, which led to the corner from which Bunedia scored?
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I think Ollie's work rate is such that you can forgive his slightly iffy technique, although he does occasionally show great skill, so he clearly has it in him.
I don't think that Ollie will play 62 games for England.
Strikers are judged on their goals though, otherwise you end up with another Heskey on your hands.
I don't think Watkins is anywhere near that standard of Heskey at his best.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
But how many off days can he have? His finishing is woeful
It’s not woeful. When he’s in form he’s a decent finisher - not a great one, but good enough in combination with the other parts of his game. He just needs to get his form and confidence back.
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Again found myself thinking Watkins isn’t good enough.
An off day for sure. That’s all I’m putting it down to. Put it this way, he’s no worse than Calvert-Lewin who West Ham want.
But how many off days can he have? His finishing is woeful
It’s not woeful. When he’s in form he’s a decent finisher - not a great one, but good enough in combination with the other parts of his game. He just needs to get his form and confidence back.
Yep, agreed he's a decent finisher but he's a bit streaky and right now he's struggling for form. To give him credit he's still doing everything else and makes us a better team with his work rate so he gets a bit more patience for me.
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Coutinho headed the ball that Pickford saved, which led to the corner from which Bunedia scored?
Correct.
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It's always nice to get a dirty win. We suffer enough dirty defeats, so...
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Presumably, Gerrard will be guided on a summer striker purchase depending how well Ollie and Danny do before May is out. At least he seems to realise that they can't play together.
We also have three strikers out on loan atm and their progress will be monitored closely.
As for the game, thought we moved the ball around really well at times in the first half. We did very little that was constructive after the break which was disappointing but as others have said, we toughed it out when the Toffees went full-metal Wimbledon.
Going back to the first half, I really enjoy watching Jacob running through the midfield with the ball. What a player!