Post by: Matt C on January 17, 2022, 08:37:45 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2022, 08:45:53 PM
Robin Olsen medical tomorrow, apparently.
Always great watching the dramatic stuff. No idea if he does the simple things well. But seems that Jed is looking for some first team action so good to have a bit of experience backing up Emi.
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2022, 08:55:38 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2022, 08:56:59 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2022, 08:57:03 PM
Post by: OCD on January 17, 2022, 09:04:09 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2022, 09:04:49 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 17, 2022, 09:34:32 PM
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 18, 2022, 09:14:41 AM
Post by: brian green on January 18, 2022, 09:41:24 AM
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 09:42:56 AM
Is Kalinic *that* bad?!
Yes, yes he is.
I was there for his league debut away at Wigan. Absolute horror show.
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2022, 09:47:51 AM
Is Kalinic *that* bad?!
Yes, yes he is.
I was there for his league debut away at Wigan. Absolute horror show.
Did he make his debut in the cup? Seem to remember a 'Kays catalogue' attempted save, where he went down in several installments to a routine save, and, well, didn't save it.
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2022, 10:14:35 AM
I'm suprised we're not in for Scott Carson. Gerrard must have played with him at England. Time to come home Scott. Get the band back together - you, Ash...just need Gabby to come off the Talksport mic and get fit again.
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 10:17:57 AM
Is Kalinic *that* bad?!
Yes, yes he is.
I was there for his league debut away at Wigan. Absolute horror show.
Did he make his debut in the cup? Seem to remember a 'Kays catalogue' attempted save, where he went down in several installments to a routine save, and, well, didn't save it.
Yep, conceded 3 on his debut in the cup. Then 3 in the league debut away at Wigan, then 2 in the next game. 3 games, 8 goals. Terrible.
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2022, 11:08:00 AM
Kalinic is on-loan in Croatia earning more than the rest of the defenders and goalkeepers in their squad combined.
I'm suprised we're not in for Scott Carson. Gerrard must have played with him at England. Time to come home Scott. Get the band back together - you, Ash...just need Gabby to come off the Talksport mic and get fit again.
Get Curtis Davies off the Derby County sinking ship.
Post by: darren woolley on January 18, 2022, 12:41:23 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 01:05:12 PM
Has previously been on loan at Sheffield United until injury saw hime replaced. Loan at Everton and Lange knows him from FC Copenhagen.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 18, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
Difficult position to fill when you have such a regular top keeper already in place. Time for Jed to say goodbye i think
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 18, 2022, 01:42:04 PM
Is Kalinic *that* bad?!
Yes, yes he is.
I was there for his league debut away at Wigan. Absolute horror show.
Haha, ok. I seem to also remember a goalie (Moreira?) who didn't even manage a save in the warm ups! Perhaps I have mixed them up.
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2022, 02:10:49 PM
Is Kalinic *that* bad?!
Yes, yes he is.
I was there for his league debut away at Wigan. Absolute horror show.
Haha, ok. I seem to also remember a goalie (Moreira?) who didn't even manage a save in the warm ups! Perhaps I have mixed them up.
He played in the league at Yeovil was it? Was fucking hopeless but saved a penalty. Jesus we had a run of comedy keepers, let's not forget Fruit T. Bunn the Baker too.
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2022, 05:48:02 PM
Post by: darren woolley on January 18, 2022, 06:14:50 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 18, 2022, 06:16:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 06:21:20 PM
Post by: johnny from donny on January 18, 2022, 06:27:49 PM
Hopefully Emi stays fit.
Post by: dave shelley on January 18, 2022, 06:32:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 06:34:14 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2022, 07:06:29 PM
Post by: Legion on January 18, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 18, 2022, 07:51:06 PM
Welcome!
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 07:57:55 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 18, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Is Kalinic *that* bad?!
Gabor Kiraly in his pyjamas wins that competition for me....
Yes, yes he is.
I was there for his league debut away at Wigan. Absolute horror show.
Haha, ok. I seem to also remember a goalie (Moreira?) who didn't even manage a save in the warm ups! Perhaps I have mixed them up.
He played in the league at Yeovil was it? Was fucking hopeless but saved a penalty. Jesus we had a run of comedy keepers, let's not forget Fruit T. Bunn the Baker too.
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2022, 08:08:27 PM
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2022, 08:23:03 PM
Pretty shit by all accounts. And by all accounts, I mean twitter. I've never heard of him, hopefully never have to see him play either.
Welcome!
He's the guy who Roma brought in to replace Allison when Allison went to Liverpool.
So at one point he was very highly rated.
Post by: Astnor on January 18, 2022, 09:51:49 PM
Welcome for your half a year loan stay Robin.
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2022, 09:56:26 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 18, 2022, 10:15:20 PM
Post by: rougegorge on January 18, 2022, 10:19:14 PM
Yes, it's really quite surprising some people have never heard of him. He played against England in the last World Cup and has acquitted himself very well for his country. I remember him thwarting Spain in the Euros last summer as well.Pretty shit by all accounts. And by all accounts, I mean twitter. I've never heard of him, hopefully never have to see him play either.
Welcome!
He's the guy who Roma brought in to replace Allison when Allison went to Liverpool.
So at one point he was very highly rated.
Post by: Dazvillain on January 18, 2022, 10:48:37 PM
Welcome Robin. Another upgrade in the squad. On Jed, who must be off on loan?Agree. Short term deal to give Jed some much needed game time on loan somewhere you’d think
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 19, 2022, 09:15:43 AM
Welcome Robin. Another upgrade in the squad. On Jed, who must be off on loan?Agree. Short term deal to give Jed some much needed game time on loan somewhere you’d think
I’d imagine Steer has pushed for it leaving us needing our own loan and Olsen was available with experience and a good pedigree. Maybe Sheff Utd have a half decent keeper of their own who gave them no reason to be dropped.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2022, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2022, 11:17:52 AM
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2022, 11:28:31 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 19, 2022, 01:25:13 PM
Seems an odd one. Sheff U fans seemed delighted to see the back of him.
Yeah, Well they're an odd bunch.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 19, 2022, 01:43:12 PM
Looked solid for Sweden but saw him a bit for Roma a few years back and he made loads of errors so miles off Martinez standard.
As others said let's hope he just performs backup role. Would've just kept Steer for another couple of months personally.
Post by: cdward on January 19, 2022, 02:00:55 PM
For £12Million, so he must be half decentPretty shit by all accounts. And by all accounts, I mean twitter. I've never heard of him, hopefully never have to see him play either.
Welcome!
He's the guy who Roma brought in to replace Allison when Allison went to Liverpool.
So at one point he was very highly rated.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2022, 02:58:02 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 19, 2022, 03:01:51 PM
Didn't we spend £7m on Kalinic ?
we seemed to have owned him forever at this rate he will have a testimonial
Post by: Damo70 on January 19, 2022, 03:47:44 PM
For £12Million, so he must be half decentPretty shit by all accounts. And by all accounts, I mean twitter. I've never heard of him, hopefully never have to see him play either.
Welcome!
He's the guy who Roma brought in to replace Allison when Allison went to Liverpool.
So at one point he was very highly rated.
He only played 27 games for Roma. The only longish spells he has had at any clubs were 71 games for Copenhagen and 53 games for Malmo.
Post by: jwarry on January 19, 2022, 04:42:08 PM
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 19, 2022, 05:06:56 PM
Pretty obvious SG doesn’t rate Steer and I can’t blame him. Good shot stopper but that’s it
What exactly is it that so many people dislike about Steer? He might not be as good as Martinez, but there is nothing he has done in his time with us that makes me think he isn't a perfectly respectable second choice keeper, and from some of the Olsen clips he definitely seems much more steady.
That's without the contribution he made to getting us promoted, which given he was 3rd or 4th choice for much of the time until Smith took over was pretty remarkable. Frankly, he was the first goalkeeper we'd had in about 6 years who didn't give me the shits anytime the ball went near him.
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2022, 05:14:17 PM
For £12Million, so he must be half decentPretty shit by all accounts. And by all accounts, I mean twitter. I've never heard of him, hopefully never have to see him play either.
Welcome!
He's the guy who Roma brought in to replace Allison when Allison went to Liverpool.
So at one point he was very highly rated.
Aly Cissokho went for €15m once upon a time!
Post by: Damo70 on January 19, 2022, 05:20:06 PM
Pretty obvious SG doesn’t rate Steer and I can’t blame him. Good shot stopper but that’s it
What exactly is it that so many people dislike about Steer? He might not be as good as Martinez, but there is nothing he has done in his time with us that makes me think he isn't a perfectly respectable second choice keeper, and from some of the Olsen clips he definitely seems much more steady.
That's without the contribution he made to getting us promoted, which given he was 3rd or 4th choice for much of the time until Smith took over was pretty remarkable. Frankly, he was the first goalkeeper we'd had in about 6 years who didn't give me the shits anytime the ball went near him.
I think Martinez is an excellent keeper but I also appreciate the job Steer has done for us.
Post by: Astnor on January 19, 2022, 05:22:05 PM
His "length of reach" isnt up to standard for the level we are heading for IMOPretty obvious SG doesn’t rate Steer and I can’t blame him. Good shot stopper but that’s it
What exactly is it that so many people dislike about Steer? He might not be as good as Martinez, but there is nothing he has done in his time with us that makes me think he isn't a perfectly respectable second choice keeper, and from some of the Olsen clips he definitely seems much more steady.
That's without the contribution he made to getting us promoted, which given he was 3rd or 4th choice for much of the time until Smith took over was pretty remarkable. Frankly, he was the first goalkeeper we'd had in about 6 years who didn't give me the shits anytime the ball went near him.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 19, 2022, 05:29:21 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2022, 06:29:48 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:31:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:41:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
Post by: Dave P on May 22, 2022, 06:19:14 PM
Good luck to Olsens today vs Manchester City could do with two like Mary Kate and Ashley
Who’s the one that plays Wanda Vision? She’s stunning.
Post by: Legion on May 22, 2022, 07:14:43 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Too many coked up arseholes at football these days. Including our own fans.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2022, 07:46:48 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 07:47:23 PM
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1528446097504485381?s=21&t=Wco1i3lcyhkClxGa57uj2g
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 07:53:47 PM
Post by: BC Villain on May 22, 2022, 07:55:12 PM
Post by: dave shelley on May 22, 2022, 07:59:43 PM
Ditto fines, disqualification for cup competitions and reinstatement for defeated club and anything from two to five years banning from future cup competition.
One thing you can guarantee is if something like this is implemented the first club to bear the brunt of it will be...Aston Villa!
Post by: Flin5tone on May 22, 2022, 08:02:15 PM
Back to the dark ages when it was at Villa Park
Post by: PhilVill on May 22, 2022, 08:03:27 PM
Post by: Villafirst on May 22, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2022, 08:10:29 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 22, 2022, 08:20:25 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 22, 2022, 08:24:47 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2022, 08:25:09 PM
Deduct the coked up little scum two points. All sorted.
Yes that’d nice. They really need to start making punishments meaningful before someone gets seriously hurt.
Post by: Ad@m on May 22, 2022, 08:31:08 PM
If that was the penalty system you wouldn't need stewards - anyone trying to get on the pitch would get a shoeing from their fellow fans before they got close!
Post by: Ads on May 22, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 10:26:58 PM
Cant say i was impressed with him overall.
Post by: Legion on May 22, 2022, 10:30:56 PM
Post by: Legion on May 22, 2022, 10:32:24 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on May 22, 2022, 10:34:19 PM
Looks like Robin will be no.3 and we will bring in a new number 2 , although I don't think he done too bad after a very shaky first 20 minutes
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 10:34:53 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 10:35:39 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 11:48:31 PM
I was ridiculed on here for saying we need THREE top shotstoppers back in the summer .
Because it was absolute bollocks, and is now.
Post by: Rory on May 23, 2022, 02:17:30 AM
Video of the incident. I’m sure little if anything will happen. This is becoming a problem.
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1528446097504485381?s=21&t=Wco1i3lcyhkClxGa57uj2g
Assaulting an opposition player as they celebrate something they bought. Shame their scumbag owners can't use their ill-gotten money to buy some class. Nothing club, nothing supporters.
Post by: sid1964 on May 23, 2022, 06:23:09 AM
Needs to be something done with regards to the pitch invasions, maybe temporary fencing at all grounds for the final home matches of the season, this is a society issue not just football and this type of behaviour happens most weekends in pubs and clubs throughout the country.
My wife works for WMP and the amount of drugs that are seized every day is unbelievable, if the people who are taking these drugs realised what they were actually snorting then they would stop immediately (who wants to be snorting oven cleaner and other products that they mix with the cocaine?)
Post by: simboy on May 23, 2022, 07:16:44 AM
Thought he was poor for an international quality goal keeper, his kicking was also awful - not good enough, hopefully we are looking for better in the summer
Needs to be something done with regards to the pitch invasions, maybe temporary fencing at all grounds for the final home matches of the season, this is a society issue not just football and this type of behaviour happens most weekends in pubs and clubs throughout the country.
My wife works for WMP and the amount of drugs that are seized every day is unbelievable, if the people who are taking these drugs realised what they were actually snorting then they would stop immediately (who wants to be snorting oven cleaner and other products that they mix with the cocaine?)
I have to say, it's the thought of some of the bodily orifices where it's been to transport the stuff that rather puts me off... amongst other things.
Post by: Dave on May 23, 2022, 07:39:31 AM
I was ridiculed on here for saying we need THREE top shotstoppers back in the summer .
I think anyone using the phrase "top shotstopper" deserves ridicule.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: Breezeblock on May 23, 2022, 12:56:07 PM
Post by: exigo on May 23, 2022, 01:16:12 PM
Would have added an assist if Ollie knew how to finish a one on one – and on a similar point, knowing that Man City's only real weak point is their central defence and keeper, I'm surprised we didn't go route one more often when they had more players committed forward.
First goal would have expected a bit more from him. Second goal he has to stop. Third goal he has a right to ask where his defenders were.
Was disappointed in the ref restarting the game when there was pyro everywhere on the pitch. If a keeper gets hit by pyro, he has every right to go to ground and demand to be treated – so maybe we could have been a bit cuter with our game management. It was getting thrown from every tier as well, so could have been far worse in terms of injury to players or fans – did see one dad who'd taken a picture of his two daughters covered in blue pyro on their arms – when that burns at 2500c, that could be a life-changing injury.
Lastly, if you're a steward who's been told to rush onto the pitch to protect a player, surely just standing by and watching three fans attack your man is pretty bloody remiss?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 23, 2022, 01:41:25 PM
I don’t think you could read too much into whether Olsen is going to be the ‘really solid back up’ from yesterday but if Gerrard makes the deal permanent we’ll find out in time.
The dirty manc bastards that assaulted him should have lifetime bans.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 23, 2022, 02:03:22 PM
Post by: darren woolley on May 25, 2022, 09:07:46 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2022, 09:18:37 AM
It was disgraceful what those Man City fans did to him.
Can you imagine doing that after you just won the league , my god what creatures
Post by: jwarry on May 29, 2022, 02:50:30 PM
It was disgraceful what those Man City fans did to him.
Can you imagine doing that after you just won the league , my god what creatures
Of course when we win the league our knucklehead minority won’t do that will they?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2022, 03:05:42 PM
Off the top of my head I remember full scale pitch invasions against Coventry (1989), Tranmere, Liverpool and Inter Milan (1994), Arsenal (1996), Blackburn (2010), West Brom (2015), Middlesbrough (2018) and Leicester (2020).
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2022, 03:44:39 PM
Don't recall Villa fans ever attacking opposition players to be honest. I remember one or two going on the pitch, seemingly to confront Savage before, thankfully, bottling it.
Off the top of my head I remember full scale pitch invasions against Coventry (1989), Tranmere, Liverpool and Inter Milan (1994), Arsenal (1996), Blackburn (2010), West Brom (2015), Middlesbrough (2018) and Leicester (2020).
At the West Brom one I remember being surprised at how there wasn't anyone acting the twat and how everyone completely ignored their players.
There was one fan who ran past one of their defenders at full-time, the clogger stuck his leg out, tripped the fan up, and he just got up and kept on running.
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 31, 2022, 10:17:58 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 01, 2022, 10:10:24 AM
It’s always hit and miss with reserve keepers, but it’s a ‘why not’ for me. If he’s happy to sit on the bench in the main, he has a decent pedigree with the Sweden caps and the varied club experience.
Post by: darren woolley on June 01, 2022, 11:14:55 AM
Well, that Romano journalist guy who seems to be always correct is saying we’re close to completing a permanent deal for 3.5m euros.
It’s always hit and miss with reserve keepers, but it’s a ‘why not’ for me. If he’s happy to sit on the bench in the main, he has a decent pedigree with the Sweden caps and the varied club experience.
It's also a yes from me.
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2022, 11:40:48 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 11:45:07 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2022, 11:51:35 AM
That would do for me. Frees up an extra non-Home Grown spot in the 25 man squad, too.
For Mbappé?
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 12:05:36 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2022, 12:10:16 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2022, 12:41:16 PM
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
I thought he got better as the game went on, at the start he looked very nervous, and a ferw dodgy kicks didn't help him, but his command of the box was good and all 3 goals would be harsh to blame him for. For the price I don't see any real downsides to this, and his age means we can give the younger keepers a couple more years to develop and then phase them in to replace him. i think he's an upgrade on Steer who I like but just don't trust to stay fit.What worried me in his, admittedly, first and only game was the apparently-poor communications that seemed to be contributing to the problems; most obviously in the first half but also perhaps with Cash for the Gundojan far-post header. He's been training with us since January, but it didn't look like he had.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 12:57:46 PM
I reckon if we went in with £1,000,005 per week in wages we'd get him.
I'll chip in the fiver, Woodhall can pay the rest. Job done.
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2022, 01:30:05 PM
Post by: sid1964 on June 01, 2022, 01:51:51 PM
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Post by: Neil Hawkes on June 01, 2022, 02:30:49 PM
He is an international goal keeper, I would of thought that he had played in bigger games.Didn't he launch one that resulted in Ollie having a free run on goal?
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Or am I dreaming?
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2022, 04:21:00 PM
He is an international goal keeper, I would of thought that he had played in bigger games.Didn't he launch one that resulted in Ollie having a free run on goal?
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Or am I dreaming?
Yes, and route-one'd it for Coutinho's silky finish.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on June 02, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
So kicking definitely improved after the earlier mishaps, thanks EamonnHe is an international goal keeper, I would of thought that he had played in bigger games.Didn't he launch one that resulted in Ollie having a free run on goal?
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Or am I dreaming?
Yes, and route-one'd it for Coutinho's silky finish.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2022, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: Ian. on June 03, 2022, 06:52:23 AM
He is an international goal keeper, I would of thought that he had played in bigger games.Didn't he launch one that resulted in Ollie having a free run on goal?
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Or am I dreaming?
Yes, and route-one'd it for Coutinho's silky finish.
Two lucky punts, some would say.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 03, 2022, 10:03:40 AM
He is an international goal keeper, I would of thought that he had played in bigger games.Didn't he launch one that resulted in Ollie having a free run on goal?
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Or am I dreaming?
Yes, and route-one'd it for Coutinho's silky finish.
Two lucky punts, some would say.
Maybe. But if he’s in the team for a little stint next season and it happens with some regularity then perhaps not !
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2022, 10:04:52 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
Post by: Joe S on June 04, 2022, 10:19:45 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/nfmwVbT/Screenshot-20220604-111804.png) (https://ibb.co/nfmwVbT)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 04, 2022, 10:20:22 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2022, 10:21:21 AM
Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2022, 11:24:57 AM
If we make excuses for things going well then no wonder we get so down on mistakes :-)He is an international goal keeper, I would of thought that he had played in bigger games.Didn't he launch one that resulted in Ollie having a free run on goal?
His kicking for a premier league goal keeper was poor, did okay with the catching of the ball from crosses etc..
Or am I dreaming?
Yes, and route-one'd it for Coutinho's silky finish.
Two lucky punts, some would say.
Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2022, 11:26:25 AM
Post by: darren woolley on June 04, 2022, 12:53:15 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2022, 12:53:54 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2022, 12:57:24 PM
Post by: Mister E on June 04, 2022, 02:05:55 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Robin.Have you brought Batman with you, Robin?
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2022, 02:25:00 PM
I am The Batman.Welcome to Aston Villa Robin.Have you brought Batman with you, Robin?
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2022, 02:25:40 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on June 04, 2022, 03:21:38 PM
won't get many games unless Martinez is injured or suspended.
Or until Martinez is "leaving for a bigger club" or "Has to be in the champions league now" which are lines always dropped out
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
one hundred million required for that.won't get many games unless Martinez is injured or suspended.
Or until Martinez is "leaving for a bigger club" or "Has to be in the champions league now" which are lines always dropped out
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 04, 2022, 08:39:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2022, 08:39:55 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 04, 2022, 08:46:51 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 04, 2022, 09:06:54 PM
How many times have you seen him play?
Once and he was bloody awful if you want the truth - had signs of being George Weah's relative.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 04, 2022, 09:07:22 PM
Olsen - Sweden number 1 no 1
Sinisalo - Finland U21 number one no 1.
Big Cuts must be doing something OK.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2022, 09:09:07 PM
How many times have you seen him play?
Once and he was bloody awful if you want the truth - had signs of being George Weah's relative.
He wasn't that bad, and once is nowhere near enough to judge a player. On that basis we would have ditched Bosnich after his debut.
Post by: Lsvilla on June 04, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on June 04, 2022, 10:33:34 PM
Oh and welcome Robin
Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2022, 10:45:02 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2022, 09:38:31 PM
Maybe a thinking was Martinez wants a clean sheet. (Expected before the game)
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2022, 10:22:08 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 29, 2022, 11:46:25 PM
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2022, 11:47:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 30, 2022, 07:27:04 AM
He does seem to have a touch of Kalinic about him.
Watching him yesterday, Mark Bunn came to mind. The second goal was embarrassing, we might aswell not have had a keeper.
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2022, 11:44:38 AM
Post by: Matt C on October 30, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 30, 2022, 11:56:18 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on October 30, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
Post by: Risso on October 30, 2022, 01:04:17 PM
Hope Emi isn't out for any length of time. This guy doesn't look up to much.
He won't be out at all will he. Sounded like he was right as rain after the match.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 30, 2022, 01:09:23 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on October 30, 2022, 01:11:49 PM
Hope Emi isn't out for any length of time. This guy doesn't look up to much.
He won't be out at all will he. Sounded like he was right as rain after the match.
I wasn't sure if there were any specific rules after being brought off for concussion?
Post by: Mister E on October 30, 2022, 01:18:53 PM
Hope Emi isn't out for any length of time. This guy doesn't look up to much.Wasn't this the guy whom Everton binned after a loan period last season? - doesn't that say something about his ability to be in the Prem?
Post by: Drummond on October 31, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
Hope Emi isn't out for any length of time. This guy doesn't look up to much.Wasn't this the guy whom Everton binned after a loan period last season? - doesn't that say something about his ability to be in the Prem?
Sheffield United had him and general consensus there is that he's shit.
Post by: eamonn on October 31, 2022, 03:10:10 PM
Post by: ozzjim on October 31, 2022, 05:46:16 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 01, 2022, 05:23:25 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 03:10:57 PM
And there was no video of saving and his goalkeeping, only Olsen participating in play and having possession of the ball.
Telling
No Martinez either.
But with both of them away for the World Cup how is Emery to integrate and implement his strategy of playing out from the back without our first and second choice keepers.
Post by: eamonn on November 04, 2022, 03:15:10 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 03:16:57 PM
In all honesty thought he had been moved on in the summer
Post by: Drummond on November 04, 2022, 03:17:07 PM
Videos of Emery's first training session show Olsen playing football very clearly.
And there was no video of saving and his goalkeeping, only Olsen participating in play and having possession of the ball.
Telling
No Martinez either.
But with both of them away for the World Cup how is Emery to integrate and implement his strategy of playing out from the back without our first and second choice keepers.
I suspect Martinez will have been resting this week. Concussion protocols are 6 days rest.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 04, 2022, 03:24:05 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 03:45:15 PM
First choice for me is Martinez for sure. But..Videos of Emery's first training session show Olsen playing football very clearly.
And there was no video of saving and his goalkeeping, only Olsen participating in play and having possession of the ball.
Telling
No Martinez either.
But with both of them away for the World Cup how is Emery to integrate and implement his strategy of playing out from the back without our first and second choice keepers.
I suspect Martinez will have been resting this week. Concussion protocols are 6 days rest.
Good point. I guess poor Jed will have to train vicariously.I wonder if Olsen will be given the cup match or even Brighton and Martinez gets his wish to be ready for Argentina.
I realized that now as actually Sweden aren't at the world cup so Olsen will be working extensively with Garcia and Emery over the break whereas Martinez will have his mind and time on Argentina and World Cup glory.
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
Post by: Drummond on November 04, 2022, 03:54:42 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 04, 2022, 04:02:44 PM
Post by: Risso on November 04, 2022, 04:09:26 PM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
Post by: brontebilly on November 04, 2022, 04:24:18 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2022, 05:07:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 04, 2022, 05:15:17 PM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 05:54:05 PM
Not at all, in my opinion, is it sound theory.I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
Firstly there's the concussion of Martinez
Secondly there's the World Cup distraction and Argentina wanting to have him rested.
Also the strategy of Emery and how he has his goalkeeper playing.
And the context of "Olsen being ahead of Martinez on Boxing Day" is with the basis they are to be having work extensively with Emery and Garcia over the winter break/world cup. And Martinez may not be 100% ready to come and play.
So it's not out of the question that Emery will put his trust in Olsen to start games.
I'm sure the coaching staff are already considering all these circumstances and with a three games in 7 days Sunday , Thursday Sunday it wouldn't be surprising to see Olsen in at least one of those
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 05:58:58 PM
I've previously stated that I am a Martinez supporter and that I think highly of him seeing him as number one keeper.. I'm more bringing up the possibility that Olsen may have an opportunity here right now. Although that is the cause of some debate, Olsen does stand a chance.
I never see it to be protracting negatively towards Martinez it's just astute observations and what I do is identify and foresee potential changes within the squad using my footy prophecy skills and then open it up to discussion.
Sometimes I see it as alerting that the playing 11 or squad could see potential changes.
It's really just one theories and many of us have theories about players.
Post by: villadelph on November 04, 2022, 07:43:34 PM
Martinez might also leave, in my opinion, if he wins the world cup and/or if Emery doesn't particularly like Martinez's playing style because he wasn't Arsenal's first choice, in which case Unai would be looking to sign his own player.
I've previously stated that I am a Martinez supporter and that I think highly of him seeing him as number one keeper.. I'm more bringing up the possibility that Olsen may have an opportunity here right now. Although that is the cause of some debate, Olsen does stand a chance.
I never see it to be protracting negatively towards Martinez it's just astute observations and what I do is identify and foresee potential changes within the squad using my footy prophecy skills and then open it up to discussion.
Sometimes I see it as alerting that the playing 11 or squad could see potential changes.
It's really just one theories and many of us have theories about players.
On what grounds would Olsen realistically overtake Emi as the #1, though?
Emi was left out because Emery wasn't confident in his footwork when playing around the back. He's always been a great set of hands, good in the dressing room and continues to improve.
Emery might not have favored him at Arsenal, but that doesn't mean he would drop him for a clearly inferior goalkeeper.. that's Gerrard and Mings all over again.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 04, 2022, 08:05:08 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 08:30:48 PM
And to Villadelph
Already outlined the grounds to which he may overtake
I don't think he's better than Martinez as a goalkeeper though I'm not sure if he's better at kicking and passing which would be something.
But overall Olsen knows his role he's a steady number two or back up and if Martinez wasn't favoured or moved I would think we would have a replacement rather than relying on Olsen in the summer
Post by: Beard82 on November 04, 2022, 08:38:14 PM
Yeah - the day that happens is when we start the Emery - Out threadMartinez might also leave, in my opinion, if he wins the world cup and/or if Emery doesn't particularly like Martinez's playing style because he wasn't Arsenal's first choice, in which case Unai would be looking to sign his own player.
I've previously stated that I am a Martinez supporter and that I think highly of him seeing him as number one keeper.. I'm more bringing up the possibility that Olsen may have an opportunity here right now. Although that is the cause of some debate, Olsen does stand a chance.
I never see it to be protracting negatively towards Martinez it's just astute observations and what I do is identify and foresee potential changes within the squad using my footy prophecy skills and then open it up to discussion.
Sometimes I see it as alerting that the playing 11 or squad could see potential changes.
It's really just one theories and many of us have theories about players.
On what grounds would Olsen realistically overtake Emi as the #1, though?
Emi was left out because Emery wasn't confident in his footwork when playing around the back. He's always been a great set of hands, good in the dressing room and continues to improve.
Emery might not have favored him at Arsenal, but that doesn't mean he would drop him for a clearly inferior goalkeeper.. that's Gerrard and Mings all over again.
Post by: eamonn on November 04, 2022, 08:42:34 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 04, 2022, 08:56:24 PM
Mark Bunn the character that he was! Good for dressing room spirit but think Olsen bit higher quality than that.
And to Villadelph
Already outlined the grounds to which he may overtake
I don't think he's better than Martinez as a goalkeeper though I'm not sure if he's better at kicking and passing which would be something.
But overall Olsen knows his role he's a steady number two or back up and if Martinez wasn't favoured or moved I would think we would have a replacement rather than relying on Olsen in the summer
That's all just a little too farfetch'd and like I said, you would see a Gerrard/Mings-style unrest if it were to happen.
Not sure why it would even be brought up, quite honestly. Its a recipe for instant unrest. Now, Martinez does have decent value and if he sold him in favor of another clear #1 than I understand.. but promoting Olsen to play 38 league matches a year while expecting to improve the clubs position in the table, no chance.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 09:04:33 PM
Although I would disagree if ousted for Olsen I would follow the manager's and the new goalkeeper coach's opinions.Mark Bunn the character that he was! Good for dressing room spirit but think Olsen bit higher quality than that.
And to Villadelph
Already outlined the grounds to which he may overtake
I don't think he's better than Martinez as a goalkeeper though I'm not sure if he's better at kicking and passing which would be something.
But overall Olsen knows his role he's a steady number two or back up and if Martinez wasn't favoured or moved I would think we would have a replacement rather than relying on Olsen in the summer
That's all just a little too farfetch'd and like I said, you would see a Gerrard/Mings-style unrest if it were to happen.
Not sure why it would even be brought up, quite honestly. Its a recipe for instant unrest. Now, Martinez does have decent value and if he sold him in favor of another clear #1 than I understand.. but promoting Olsen to play 38 league matches a year while expecting to improve the clubs position in the table, no chance.
Post by: FatSam on November 04, 2022, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 07:36:55 PM
Also Olsen will have to be playing out from the back and showing his kicking and passing ability so good opportunity for him.
Good Luck Olsen.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2022, 07:56:46 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 08:19:37 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 08:34:42 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
Might be the worst back up keeper we’ve had in a very long time. How is he the best in Sweden?
Same as Kalinic being the best in Croatia I suppose, not much competition.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 10, 2022, 08:59:30 PM
Post by: Nev on November 10, 2022, 09:00:40 PM
Jed Steer is a far better keeper. Olsen frightens me.
Same
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 09:12:20 PM
Jed Steer is a far better keeper. Olsen frightens me.
Steer is broken, we just can't trust him to stay fit. Sinisalo will be better than either before long anyway.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 10, 2022, 09:12:27 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2022, 09:16:16 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
Post by: OzVilla on November 10, 2022, 09:29:35 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 10, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
I don’t fancy him to save anything in all honesty. He reminds me of when outfield players had to go in goal.He couldn’t save a £1
Post by: Ger Regan on November 10, 2022, 09:40:04 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 10, 2022, 09:41:02 PM
Post by: frank black on November 10, 2022, 09:41:33 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 10, 2022, 09:41:41 PM
He's on par with Martinez in any footwork or passing certainly no worse and Martinez himself could have the odd struggle himself.
Are you kidding? I have no idea what you see in some players or how you speak with such conviction at times.
Horrible take.
Post by: OzVilla on November 10, 2022, 09:43:17 PM
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Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:00:22 PM
Post by: supertom on November 10, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2022, 10:05:21 PM
Criminal for the third though even if he'd have comfortably saved it but for the deflection.
Nyland was worse but obviously it's a huge drop off in quality from Emi.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 10, 2022, 10:06:49 PM
Post by: dave shelley on November 10, 2022, 10:07:04 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 10, 2022, 10:08:18 PM
Post by: FrankyH on November 10, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:11:57 PM
Any player can have an off day , but I don't think Olsen and Villa will be a good fit ( as a backup keeper, especially what we've seen so far). Is Jed Steer fit and available and still involved around the squad ?
He's conceded 11 goals in two and a bit games. Useless.
Post by: manic-road on November 10, 2022, 10:12:41 PM
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Post by: malckennedy on November 10, 2022, 10:16:49 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 10:20:43 PM
There will be the danger under Emery that such mistakes will occurr whoever the goalkeeper as habit.
A few good saves but we need another back up keeper and to push on. Even with Martinez as much as we love Emi I concerned they'll be similar issues with the strategy of football as he will inist to playing out from from the back and Martinez isn't particularly strong aspect in his game
Olsen isn't Martinez that's clear and he may continue to get match time but with Emi Martinez we more comfortable and solid as a keeper and know he is far better all round. I don't think Olsen is suited so much for number one role. But is Martinez with the clear way Emery wants to play. I'm not very sure about that either
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Post by: Legion on November 10, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 10:29:44 PM
Post by: frank black on November 10, 2022, 10:30:30 PM
Just stay fit Emi!!!
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 10, 2022, 10:33:03 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 10, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 10:35:35 PM
Post by: PhilVill on November 10, 2022, 10:36:19 PM
are laughing though.
Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2022, 10:36:20 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on November 10, 2022, 10:38:08 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 10:38:31 PM
He seems glued to his line which was OK until the backpass law changed but a modern keeper needs to have a higher starting position and be able to pass.
Exactly this, almost all of the problems came from them putting the ball into space behind our defence safe in th eknowledge he wasn't coming out to cut it off.
Post by: KevinGage on November 10, 2022, 10:39:05 PM
He'll retire and tell his kids he played for Everton, Roma and Villa. So who's laughing at who.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 10, 2022, 10:39:15 PM
Worse than Mark Bunn
Not quite that bad. I remember a goal at Stoke in the relegation season when Lescott didn’t bother jumping for a ball, after which Arnautovic headed tamely home. Instead of diving to try and stop the ball, Bunn jumped backwards and found himself tangled in the net. Comical. He didn’t play well once.
Olsen is dreadful though, too.
Post by: Legion on November 10, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
He’s had a poor night obviously, but is the title thread change necessary?
He was also awful against Manchester City last season.
Post by: OzVilla on November 10, 2022, 10:40:51 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2022, 10:41:09 PM
Any player can have an off day , but I don't think Olsen and Villa will be a good fit ( as a backup keeper, especially what we've seen so far). Is Jed Steer fit and available and still involved around the squad ?
He's conceded 11 goals in two and a bit games. Useless.
Eleven goals conceded in his last 160 minutes.
Post by: OzVilla on November 10, 2022, 10:42:34 PM
He made two fantastic saves and I thought he’d found his inner confidence, five minutes later…
The first low down was decent but you'd probably back an experienced keeper to save it, the 2nd from the header was bread and butter for a professional.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:44:58 PM
Any player can have an off day , but I don't think Olsen and Villa will be a good fit ( as a backup keeper, especially what we've seen so far). Is Jed Steer fit and available and still involved around the squad ?
He's conceded 11 goals in two and a bit games. Useless.
Eleven goals conceded in his last 160 minutes.
Plus eight in his last three games for Sweden. He must have worse shell shock than a WW1 soldier in the trenches.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2022, 10:48:17 PM
Piss off.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:50:59 PM
Either he's a lot better than he's shown (hopefully) or it's really mad that he's Sweden's best goalkeeper. I mean Sweden is a proper country. If you told me he was Gibraltar's first choice I'd be thinking "surely they can do better".Piss off.
As I said in the match thread, you can say the same for Croatia and Kalinic. Perhaps English football just isn't for certain keepers.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 10:53:00 PM
He's one of those keepers that spreads panic among the team. Once he dropped that easy looping cross half way through the 2nd half the defence never recovered their composure. One decent save amongst plenty of gaffs.
Yep, that was the turning point for me. Their first goal was shit but didn't, in my opinion, change the pattern of the game much and we were pretty good value for the 2-1 lead but once he dropped that one his already noticable reluctance to come off his line became out right fear and all their long balls suddenly started working for them and all our confidence dropped. It was as poor a half from a keeper as I can remember, right up their with Enklemann at the sty.
I get the argument that Emery should've known he's not great but I don't think anyone could've seen quite suc a dramatic collapse in his confidence. Definitely answers a question though that we need to have a much better alternative.
One extra point, playing the reserve keeper in cup games is pretty well established as the only way to keep 2 top level keepers interested so, despite reservations about Olsen I don' think it was the wrong call to give him the shirt tonight, he just showed that he's not a top level keeper so there's no need to worry about keeping him happy.
Post by: olaftab on November 10, 2022, 10:54:09 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 10, 2022, 10:58:05 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:58:24 PM
One extra point, playing the reserve keeper in cup games is pretty well established as the only way to keep 2 top level keepers interested so, despite reservations about Olsen I don' think it was the wrong call to give him the shirt tonight, he just showed that he's not a top level keeper so there's no need to worry about keeping him happy.
That's fine if you're a club who has been doing well, and you actually have two top keepers. Or if you have a relatively easy home tie against lower league opposition. But that game needed Martinez tonight. Now we're not going to get the chance to give other players a chance in the League Cup, becuse Olsen was shit and we got knocked out.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2022, 11:02:33 PM
I reckon he’s the best keeper in Sweden. More specifically one of Sweden’s 270,000 islands.
One of the uninhabited ones, maybe.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2022, 11:02:49 PM
It was annoying seeing Sarkic making some top saves for Wolves last night. There's someone with some good quality loans who we possibly could've kept around and he could've been the young keeper we lack in the squad given Steer has been injured too often to rely on.
Did we release that young keeper who had an amazing game v Liverpool in the lockdown season aswell?
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:05:39 PM
I'd actually forgotten about that dropped cross, proper Nyland moment there and we were lucky not to concede with enough bodies to block so yes he stayed on his line afterwards so the high line became very risky.
It was annoying seeing Sarkic making some top saves for Wolves last night. There's someone with some good quality loans who we possibly could've kept around and he could've been the young keeper we lack in the squad given Steer has been injured too often to rely on.
Did we release that young keeper who had an amazing game v Liverpool in the lockdown season aswell?
Sinisalo is the one we really need to concentrate on, unfortunately he's not really getting games on loan at Burton but he's always looked like he can be a very decent option to me.
And yes we released Onodi.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:08:57 PM
One extra point, playing the reserve keeper in cup games is pretty well established as the only way to keep 2 top level keepers interested so, despite reservations about Olsen I don' think it was the wrong call to give him the shirt tonight, he just showed that he's not a top level keeper so there's no need to worry about keeping him happy.
That's fine if you're a club who has been doing well, and you actually have two top keepers. Or if you have a relatively easy home tie against lower league opposition. But that game needed Martinez tonight. Now we're not going to get the chance to give other players a chance in the League Cup, becuse Olsen was shit and we got knocked out.
You can't tell your 2nd choice keeper that you'll give him the cup games to keep him involved and then change your mind if it's a tougher draw. We have no idea if Emery made any such promise but given how common it is and that he has done it at other clubs it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's what happened. As I said though, Olsen had the most complete collapse I've seen for ages tonight and our entire defence stopped working as a result I don't believe anyone saw that coming even at half time.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 11:10:10 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:13:40 PM
He was just as appalling away at Newcastle.
I haven't seen a second of that game so no idea but it doesn't change the fact that if, as I expect, Emery came in and told Olsen he'd get a chance in the cup games, as he's done with other keepers in his career, then he really couldn't go back on that at the first opportunity. I do think he'll be reluctant to do it again though.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 11:16:25 PM
He was just as appalling away at Newcastle.
I haven't seen a second of that game so no idea but it doesn't change the fact that if, as I expect, Emery came in and told Olsen he'd get a chance in the cup games, as he's done with other keepers in his career, then he really couldn't go back on that at the first opportunity. I do think he'll be reluctant to do it again though.
Any manager worth his salt isn't going to be making promises like that after one game. He should have picked Martinez, didn't, and now we're out. I think Emery will do really well for us but that was a shit decision. I said so before the game and it didn't take a tactical genius to know it was a poor choice.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:27:11 PM
He was just as appalling away at Newcastle.
I haven't seen a second of that game so no idea but it doesn't change the fact that if, as I expect, Emery came in and told Olsen he'd get a chance in the cup games, as he's done with other keepers in his career, then he really couldn't go back on that at the first opportunity. I do think he'll be reluctant to do it again though.
Any manager worth his salt isn't going to be making promises like that after one game. He should have picked Martinez, didn't, and now we're out. I think Emery will do really well for us but that was a shit decision. I said so before the game and it didn't take a tactical genius to know it was a poor choice.
Utter nonsense, many, many managers across all of the top leagues use a league keeper and cup keeper, it's pretty much the standard at this point (including our opponents tonight and almost every premier league team that played in this round). Any manager worth their salt would have a chat with most of the squad within a few days of arriving and get an idea of 'where they're at'. For a guy with 66 international caps the obvious answer is that he'd want to have a chance to play. He was shit, no one dsiputes that but moaning about giving him the game tonight is just lashing out.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 11:34:29 PM
Utter nonsense, many, many managers across all of the top leagues use a league keeper and cup keeper, it's pretty much the standard at this point (including our opponents tonight and almost every premier league team that played in this round). Any manager worth their salt would have a chat with most of the squad within a few days of arriving and get an idea of 'where they're at'. For a guy with 66 international caps the obvious answer is that he'd want to have a chance to play. He was shit, no one dsiputes that but moaning about giving him the game tonight is just lashing out.
You've just said you haven't watched the Newcastle game. I was there, and Olsen was every bit as atrocious as he was tonight, possibly even worse. At this settling in stage for Emery, when he's in the unususal position of having three games and then a big break, it should have been about busting a gut to win and getting some confidence into the team. We're not in Europe, and most of the squad is staying put. He's basically thrown away a game we could have won.
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 11:36:20 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:40:47 PM
Utter nonsense, many, many managers across all of the top leagues use a league keeper and cup keeper, it's pretty much the standard at this point (including our opponents tonight and almost every premier league team that played in this round). Any manager worth their salt would have a chat with most of the squad within a few days of arriving and get an idea of 'where they're at'. For a guy with 66 international caps the obvious answer is that he'd want to have a chance to play. He was shit, no one dsiputes that but moaning about giving him the game tonight is just lashing out.
You've just said you haven't watched the Newcastle game. I was there, and Olsen was every bit as atrocious as he was tonight, possibly even worse. At this settling in stage for Emery, when he's in the unususal position of having three games and then a big break, it should have been about busting a gut to win and getting some confidence into the team. We're not in Europe, and most of the squad is staying put. He's basically thrown away a game we could have won.
and what would you're sulking be targeted at if he'd picked Martinez and we'd lost? As I said almost every Premier League team that played in this round started their reserve keeper, it's something that is just done and Gerrard was an anomaly for not doing it in the last round (and that's probably a big part of why the players seemed to dislike him so much). Olsen was very poor tonight and may have been just as poor in other games but if Emery, as I expect, agreed to give him game time in the cups then so be it. I'm gutted we're out of the cup but I just don't see the point of getting so upset about it. When the draw was made did anyone expect us to go through given our cup record against these pricks?
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 11:45:07 PM
Post by: OzVilla on November 11, 2022, 12:15:51 AM
Whatever it was its common practice so in football to play your 2nd string in the LC, we just needed a better 2nd string.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2022, 12:16:26 AM
Post by: OzVilla on November 11, 2022, 12:18:16 AM
Post by: TonyD on November 11, 2022, 12:19:12 AM
Why?
Post by: TonyD on November 11, 2022, 12:19:50 AM
Martinez will play on SundayFuckin hope so
Post by: aj2k77 on November 11, 2022, 01:31:17 AM
Post by: frank black on November 11, 2022, 07:17:19 AM
He was just as appalling away at Newcastle.
I haven't seen a second of that game so no idea but it doesn't change the fact that if, as I expect, Emery came in and told Olsen he'd get a chance in the cup games, as he's done with other keepers in his career, then he really couldn't go back on that at the first opportunity. I do think he'll be reluctant to do it again though.
Any manager worth his salt isn't going to be making promises like that after one game. He should have picked Martinez, didn't, and now we're out. I think Emery will do really well for us but that was a shit decision. I said so before the game and it didn't take a tactical genius to know it was a poor choice.
Utter nonsense, many, many managers across all of the top leagues use a league keeper and cup keeper, it's pretty much the standard at this point (including our opponents tonight and almost every premier league team that played in this round). Any manager worth their salt would have a chat with most of the squad within a few days of arriving and get an idea of 'where they're at'. For a guy with 66 international caps the obvious answer is that he'd want to have a chance to play. He was shit, no one dsiputes that but moaning about giving him the game tonight is just lashing out.
I just don’t get why on earth we signed him, he’s tried and failed at plenty of clubs before and been poor whenever I’ve watched him.
If a sub keeper is rubbish, you don’t stick him in goal for a knockout tournament that gets you into Europe, especially at Old Trafford. It wasn’t hard to call it pre match, I knew it and others expected it.. I’m really disappointed in Emery.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 11, 2022, 07:30:37 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 08:33:12 AM
If that was the case then this was the fixture to do it in.
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Perhaps Emery wanted to have a look and see if he is capable of playing the way he wants him to. There’s only so much you can see in training.
If that was the case then this was the fixture to do it in.
I think that’s exactly it, it’s something most managers do.
He will have learned a few things about his squad last night unfortunately part of that lesson cost us any chance of winning the game. At least now he’ll be unlikely to pick him in the FA Cup.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Perhaps Emery wanted to have a look and see if he is capable of playing the way he wants him to. There’s only so much you can see in training.
If that was the case then this was the fixture to do it in.
I don't agree with that at all, he should have been busting a gut to win the game.
Post by: LukeJames on November 11, 2022, 11:23:55 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2022, 11:28:28 AM
With how monumentally shit he was there was a moment that kind of passed under the radar, one of there players cut in from the left and had a shot that deflected and looped up, he attempted to stop it from going out for a corner with a move that looked like what your child does with there arms when you're attempting to teach them to catch a ball for the first time. Even though it was us I couldnt help but laugh.Yes that was shocking. I couldn't believe he let it go. I shouted out something like Olsen you are the ********** goal keeper you CAN catch it.
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
With how monumentally shit he was there was a moment that kind of passed under the radar, one of there players cut in from the left and had a shot that deflected and looped up, he attempted to stop it from going out for a corner with a move that looked like what your child does with there arms when you're attempting to teach them to catch a ball for the first time. Even though it was us I couldnt help but laugh.
Yep, it was difficult to tell exactly what happened from my seat but that's how it looked to me, thankfully it was off target.
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2022, 12:01:03 PM
Post by: tony scott on November 11, 2022, 12:17:20 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 11, 2022, 12:19:11 PM
I'll maintain that Olsen and Martinez would both struggle with the ball at their feet and distribution.
Overall Martinez is the number one by some distance as a goalkeeper but the point stands I would have concerns on the possession of any goalkeeper under Emery but accepting that's the managers style.
It may not be to the strengths and preferred way but will go along with it.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
Might be the worst back up keeper we’ve had in a very long time. How is he the best in Sweden?
He isn't. But football managers in Sweden are no different to other countries: Many coaches play their favorites regardless of form or performance. See Southgate for an illustrative example.
Olsen has been mediocre ever since his first (half) season at Roma.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Might be the worst back up keeper we’ve had in a very long time. How is he the best in Sweden?
He isn't. But football managers in Sweden are no different to other countries: Many coaches play their favorites regardless of form or performance. See Southgate for an illustrative example.
Olsen has been mediocre ever since his first (half) season at Roma.
He was dropped by Sheffield United in the Championship, which I think sums him up.
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 12:32:29 PM
There’s a reason he’s a number 2, but I don’t think it helped having to play out from the back he doesn’t do it well.
Oh, he's a 'no.2' alright
Is is middle name 'Aliving'?
Post by: LukeJames on November 11, 2022, 12:32:41 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2022, 12:32:58 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 12:34:22 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 11, 2022, 12:35:27 PM
Nyland at least produced one world class display that got us to a cup final, which for me elevates him above that group a little.And made a world class save against Sheffield United, the only reason we stayed up.
I think my 'favourite' shit GK moment was seven foot Kalinic being chipped, while standing on his line against WBA.
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2022, 12:37:41 PM
Nyland at least produced one world class display that got us to a cup final, which for me elevates him above that group a little.And made a world class save against Sheffield United, the only reason we stayed up.
Hmm, didn't he carry the ball over the line the same day. I remember him more in the championship, wasnt there a circus of a performance v West Brom? Maybe redeemed himself a bit in that cup run alright.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 12:38:18 PM
Nyland at least produced one world class display that got us to a cup final, which for me elevates him above that group a little.And made a world class save against Sheffield United, the only reason we stayed up.
Hmm, didn't he carry the ball over the line the same day.
Whooooooooosh!
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 12:40:18 PM
Nyland at least produced one world class display that got us to a cup final, which for me elevates him above that group a little.And made a world class save against Sheffield United, the only reason we stayed up.
Hmm, didn't he carry the ball over the line the same day. I remember him more in the championship, wasnt there a circus of a performance v West Brom? Maybe redeemed himself a bit in that cup run alright.
He did a hologram impression at home to Forest in that mad 5-5 game.
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2022, 12:41:52 PM
Post by: Dave on November 11, 2022, 01:14:44 PM
Either he's a lot better than he's shown (hopefully) or it's really mad that he's Sweden's best goalkeeper. I mean Sweden is a proper country. If you told me he was Gibraltar's first choice I'd be thinking "surely they can do better".Piss off.
As I said in the match thread, you can say the same for Croatia and Kalinic.
Surprisingly, you can't - he didn't make their World Cup squad as they have three better keepers, and even then he's spend most of his international career behind Subasic until he retired a few years ago.
Post by: KevinGage on November 11, 2022, 01:45:59 PM
Who the fuck scouted this guy?
Was at Copengahen the same time as Lange.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Not had that for a long time.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 04:55:51 PM
Either he's a lot better than he's shown (hopefully) or it's really mad that he's Sweden's best goalkeeper. I mean Sweden is a proper country. If you told me he was Gibraltar's first choice I'd be thinking "surely they can do better".Piss off.
As I said in the match thread, you can say the same for Croatia and Kalinic.
Surprisingly, you can't - he didn't make their World Cup squad as they have three better keepers, and even then he's spend most of his international career behind Subasic until he retired a few years ago.
As in Kalinic has been their number one keeper at some point. He was, that's a fact.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 11, 2022, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 04:59:10 PM
I'd acknowledge that this guy hasn't played much first team football so that added to his struggle.
I'll maintain that Olsen and Martinez would both struggle with the ball at their feet and distribution.
Overall Martinez is the number one by some distance as a goalkeeper but the point stands I would have concerns on the possession of any goalkeeper under Emery but accepting that's the managers style.
It may not be to the strengths and preferred way but will go along with it.
You were right about him dislodging Martinez as first choice before Boxing Day though eh?
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
Might be the worst back up keeper we’ve had in a very long time. How is he the best in Sweden?
He isn't. But football managers in Sweden are no different to other countries: Many coaches play their favorites regardless of form or performance. See Southgate for an illustrative example.
Olsen has been mediocre ever since his first (half) season at Roma.
He was dropped by Sheffield United in the Championship, which I think sums him up.
And their fans all laughed at me when I said we'd signed him.
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2022, 05:08:54 PM
At least he had a decent first-half...That's a joke I know as he was equally crap without conceding
Post by: jwarry on November 11, 2022, 05:18:51 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2022, 05:48:41 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 11, 2022, 06:01:09 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on November 11, 2022, 06:57:02 PM
Nyland at least produced one world class display that got us to a cup final, which for me elevates him above that group a little.And made a world class save against Sheffield United, the only reason we stayed up.
Hmm, didn't he carry the ball over the line the same day. I remember him more in the championship, wasnt there a circus of a performance v West Brom? Maybe redeemed himself a bit in that cup run alright.
He did a hologram impression at home to Forest in that mad 5-5 game.
I think that's the game they only had 5 shots on target.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 07:28:53 PM
Sinisalo and Marschall are both better and younger and I’m sure it won’t take long for Unai to realise
What he's going to realise is that he's going to have to buy a back up keeper.
There's no way on earth we should have either of those two inexperienced keepers as our back up.
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2022, 08:56:58 PM
https://twitter.com/samavfc1874/status/1590851052223746048?s=46&t=FM_hPMrxZIHgoFFCthPD7g
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2022, 09:52:11 PM
Post by: Des Little on November 11, 2022, 10:47:14 PM
Post by: Mellin on November 12, 2022, 12:45:34 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on November 12, 2022, 07:54:03 AM
Does he know he’s aloud outside of his six yard box?
https://twitter.com/samavfc1874/status/1590851052223746048?s=46&t=FM_hPMrxZIHgoFFCthPD7g
That's hilariously bad. I hope he doesn't play for us again, he really is garbage. I wonder what anyone saw of him for us to sign him and pay him actual money
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2022, 08:49:26 AM
Does he know he’s aloud outside of his six yard box?
https://twitter.com/samavfc1874/status/1590851052223746048?s=46&t=FM_hPMrxZIHgoFFCthPD7g
That's hilariously bad. I hope he doesn't play for us again, he really is garbage. I wonder what anyone saw of him for us to sign him and pay him actual money
It's horrific. As bad a display as you're ever going to see, and there was a lot more from the game that is missing.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2022, 08:56:13 AM
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2022, 09:10:30 AM
Does he know he’s aloud outside of his six yard box?
https://twitter.com/samavfc1874/status/1590851052223746048?s=46&t=FM_hPMrxZIHgoFFCthPD7g
That's hilariously bad. I hope he doesn't play for us again, he really is garbage. I wonder what anyone saw of him for us to sign him and pay him actual money
It's horrific. As bad a display as you're ever going to see, and there was a lot more from the game that is missing.
In a morbid, like car crash kind of way, I’ve replayed it a few too many times. I can’t believe how bad it is. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a bizarre performance in my life.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he has pulled off a version of the ‘George Weah’s younger brother’ scam on us.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2022, 09:48:11 AM
Play for us again
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2022, 11:15:38 AM
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Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2022, 11:18:11 AM
Never forget ......
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Needles in my eyes!!
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2022, 11:18:43 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2022, 11:22:58 AM
André MoreiraI'm glad you name-checked him; had no idea who he was!
Post by: LukeJames on November 12, 2022, 11:24:34 AM
Never forget ......
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(https://i.ibb.co/Nx8MCyj/giant.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nx8MCyj)
Post by: Goldenballs on November 12, 2022, 03:49:39 PM
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2022, 04:30:34 PM
"I can’t see him getting back in the team and I wasn’t impressed with him when he did play. That’s just my opinion. Get him gone and get him off the wage bill and that gives us the chance to get someone else in. That person can actually be of use to us instead of sitting on the bench doing nothing. It’s a case of getting rid of a player who isn’t contributing and having the opportunity to bring in a quality player. It just makes sense to me."
Post by: eamonn on November 12, 2022, 06:46:28 PM
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2022, 06:55:06 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 12, 2022, 06:56:14 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 12, 2022, 06:59:35 PM
Post by: The Edge on November 15, 2022, 05:01:16 PM
3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.Gonk!!! Haven't heard that in ages. Love it ;D
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2022, 05:02:50 PM
3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.Gonk!!! Haven't heard that in ages. Love it ;D
Agreed, an underused insult
Post by: The Edge on November 15, 2022, 05:09:40 PM
Yeah I'm old school. I particularly like "gormless gonk" which sums up his "performance" at Old Trafford.3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.Gonk!!! Haven't heard that in ages. Love it ;D
Agreed, an underused insult
Post by: nigel on November 15, 2022, 07:26:18 PM
3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.
I actually thought he was still on loan
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 15, 2022, 08:48:40 PM
signed permanently for 4 million3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.
I actually thought he was still on loan
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 15, 2022, 09:10:14 PM
Gonk!!! Haven't heard that in ages. Love it ;D
Whenever i hear the word 'gonk' i still, 40 years later, think of Neil's description of sitting an exam in the Young Ones.
Quote
I sat in the big hall and put my packet of polos on the desk, and my spare pencil and my support gonk and my chewing gum and my extra pen, and my extra polos and my lucky gonk, and my pencil sharpener shaped like a cream cracker and three more gonks with a packet of polos in each, and lead for my retractable pencil and my retractable pencil, and my spare lead for my retractable pencil, and chewing gum and pencils and pens and more gonks and the guy said "Stop writing please."!
Post by: Ian. on November 15, 2022, 09:25:49 PM
So even a pisshead with an angrier red face than Pickford can see he's shite!
An angry faced pisshead would do better in goal as well.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 19, 2022, 07:27:58 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 19, 2022, 08:59:49 PM
Olsen and Augustinsson start for Sweden vs Algeria. Final score will be Sweden something, Algeria more than that.Yeah, I’m not a fan of either. One has the pace of a tree, playing in a position where pace is quite important. The other is just a bit crap. Playing in a position where there is no hiding from being a bit crap…
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 19, 2022, 09:02:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 19, 2022, 11:06:13 PM
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Post by: BigFangVillan on November 20, 2022, 07:56:52 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 20, 2022, 09:35:59 PM
"Gonk with crisp-packet hands signed for £4m" ... are we in Trumpton?!signed permanently for 4 million3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.I actually thought he was still on loan
I cannae believe this signing.
Post by: eamonn on November 20, 2022, 11:32:15 PM
What I want to know is who scouted him for the Villa, who told Emery he was match ready for Manure. He's clearly a fraud - can't catch, is built like a balloon, rooted to his line and can't kick.
Don't worry, Big Cutts is gone.
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2022, 08:34:41 AM
"Gonk with crisp-packet hands signed for £4m" ... are we in Trumpton?!signed permanently for 4 million3 year contract as well. I imagine we'll give this gonk over £1m.I actually thought he was still on loan
I cannae believe this signing.
We did exactly the same with Kallinic
Post by: eamonn on November 21, 2022, 10:19:46 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2022, 10:26:29 AM
And Moreira moreover.
We only had him on load didn't we? That one game he played at Yeovil, he looked like he'd won a competition and had never caught a football in his life.
Post by: adrenachrome on November 21, 2022, 06:04:40 PM
And Moreira moreover.
We only had him on load didn't we? That one game he played at Yeovil, he looked like he'd won a competition and had never caught a football in his life.
We had him on load, but he wasn't locked.
That never works out well.
Post by: FatSam on November 21, 2022, 10:40:01 PM
We did exactly the same with KallinicAs with Kalinic, the fact that Olsen has played international football gives his CV a sheen that his ability doesn’t deserve. However, when small(ish) nations are picking from a finite pool of players, there will often be weak positions, especially in goal, which is obviously the most specialist position of all.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 23, 2022, 11:55:39 PM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
No so.
And I explained the context as I expected Argentina to win the world cup
Martinez, too, has been told to rest and return later, according to Emery.
Garcia and Emery have now collaborated closely with Olsen, and he will be given the opportunity on Boxing Day.
He falls short of the mark, but he is selected on Boxing Day due to Martinez's world cup success. So yes he has been given an opportunity.
Post by: Risso on December 24, 2022, 12:27:35 AM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
No so.
And I explained the context as I expected Argentina to win the world cup
Martinez, too, has been told to rest and return later, according to Emery.
Garcia and Emery have now collaborated closely with Olsen, and he will be given the opportunity on Boxing Day.
He falls short of the mark, but he is selected on Boxing Day due to Martinez's world cup success. So yes he has been given an opportunity.
Nice try.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 24, 2022, 12:59:37 AM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
No so.
And I explained the context as I expected Argentina to win the world cup
Martinez, too, has been told to rest and return later, according to Emery.
Garcia and Emery have now collaborated closely with Olsen, and he will be given the opportunity on Boxing Day.
He falls short of the mark, but he is selected on Boxing Day due to Martinez's world cup success. So yes he has been given an opportunity.
Nice try.
Haha. The prognosticator of prognosticators now suggests his Olsen prediction for Boxing Day was down to Martinez winning the World Cup which he also predicted. I’ve read it all now.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 24, 2022, 01:01:21 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2022, 01:02:28 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 24, 2022, 01:50:43 AM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
No so.
And I explained the context as I expected Argentina to win the world cup
Martinez, too, has been told to rest and return later, according to Emery.
Garcia and Emery have now collaborated closely with Olsen, and he will be given the opportunity on Boxing Day.
He falls short of the mark, but he is selected on Boxing Day due to Martinez's world cup success. So yes he has been given an opportunity.
Well played, mate.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2022, 04:11:49 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 24, 2022, 10:25:50 AM
I do feel there's an opportunity here for Olsen and he'll be ahead of Martinez come boxing day.
You have a very strange and unhealthily negative obsession with Martinez. Even if Olsen hadn't given the absolutely disastrous performances that he has in a Villa shirt, how do you think that barring injury, he's going to replace Martinez when in reality he isn't going to get a game in the next three games, and then it's the World Cup?
Also worth pointing out in one and a bit games for Villa he's conceded 7 goals. He's also conceded 8 goals in his last 3 games for Sweden. But yeah, he'll have replaced Martinez by Boxing Day.
In terms of ranking utter bollocks spouted on this site over the years and we have had some crackers, to suggest that Robin Olsen will replace one of the top keepers in the world at any time, let alone Boxing Day is beyond bonkers.
No so.
And I explained the context as I expected Argentina to win the world cup
Martinez, too, has been told to rest and return later, according to Emery.
Garcia and Emery have now collaborated closely with Olsen, and he will be given the opportunity on Boxing Day.
He falls short of the mark, but he is selected on Boxing Day due to Martinez's world cup success. So yes he has been given an opportunity.
Have you ever considered entering politics?
Post by: paul_e on December 24, 2022, 11:39:53 AM
Suggesting he'd play in this match is very different to the implication that he'd be in the team on merit that Fotty tried. Still it was a good atempt at rewriting history.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 24, 2022, 11:54:30 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 24, 2022, 02:20:07 PM
I think the word 'ahead' is a bit of a problem here. In no way is Olsen in the team 'ahead' of Martinez on Monday, he's in the team as cover for him.
Suggesting he'd play in this match is very different to the implication that he'd be in the team on merit that Fotty tried. Stills it was a good attempt at rewriting history.
In terms of match readiness, I foresaw him as being "ahead' of Martinez.
This is because Argentina and Martinez were expected to go deep, and Emi was not to return in time for Liverpool and Boxing day.
It's simply an opportunity for Olsen, which he and our coaches would undoubtedly prepare him for. He's nowhere near Martinez's level.
Though I believe Olsen's distribution leaves a lot to be desired, I'm hopeful that he can get through one or two games without giving up a goal due to his kicking.
Martinez's kicking and passing when in possession and dealing with pass backs does not impress me so much either.
To be clearer I'm not talking ball out of hand or goal kicks necessarily but I'm talking when he has to find a team-mate in the outfield in when he has received a pass.
On that level, I still believe there isn't much of a difference because both don't appears to be ill at ease when getting pressed by opposition players when in possession of the ball at their feet.
The rest of the goalkeeping comparison in ability is undisputed, as we all know Emi is the best!
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 24, 2022, 03:29:27 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 25, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
Sweden’s goalkeeper of the year
Post by: LukeJames on December 25, 2022, 10:17:15 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 25, 2022, 10:22:23 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on December 25, 2022, 11:00:54 PM
I've also won West Wolverhamptons best Luke James, 38, dark hair, beer belly, size 9 feet, small sized penis award 2022.Without wishing to push in here I won the Chair(wo)mans award for 2022 at Warwick Bridge Club for taking home the club laptop and uploading some new software. I appear to have got the job in the first place by being the youngest by about 15 years
Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2022, 12:21:31 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 26, 2022, 12:23:41 AM
All pisstaking aside, let's get behind the chap. Hopefully he's trained well recently, gets his sleep tonight, has three weetabixes in the morning and is raring to go tomorrow evening.
And magically developed the ability to pass the ball with his left foot.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 26, 2022, 07:13:22 AM
To be fair, he can pass the ball with his left foot - just not to his own team mates.All pisstaking aside, let's get behind the chap. Hopefully he's trained well recently, gets his sleep tonight, has three weetabixes in the morning and is raring to go tomorrow evening.
And magically developed the ability to pass the ball with his left foot.
Post by: LeeB on December 26, 2022, 10:23:45 AM
Post by: Nev on December 26, 2022, 10:38:51 AM
Shite keepers have good games all the time. Granted, it's usually against us but you never know.
I'm at this stage now, rattling the rosarys and hoping for divine intervention.
Post by: Ian. on December 26, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
To be fair, he can pass the ball with his left foot - just not to his own team mates.All pisstaking aside, let's get behind the chap. Hopefully he's trained well recently, gets his sleep tonight, has three weetabixes in the morning and is raring to go tomorrow evening.
And magically developed the ability to pass the ball with his left foot.
I’m more concerned about his ability to read the situation and actually leave his six yard area to sweep up. I’m not sure if he knows he’s allowed outside of the box.
His anticipation of danger seems non existent.
Post by: john e on December 26, 2022, 12:32:53 PM
Shite keepers have good games all the time. Granted, it's usually against us but you never know.
Ha ha, very true, same for shite strikers who haven’t scored for ages
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2022, 07:29:01 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2022, 07:29:40 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 26, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Welcome back Emi
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2022, 07:32:07 PM
Then when Young chested it back he was slow to react and it went out for another corner.
Did make some good saves but it's exactly like Nyland, defence is on edge when ball is played back to him compared to Emi who had that masterful assurance even before becoming a world cup winner.
Even for third goal I'm not sure he need to come sprinting out as we had enough defenders back to block a shot so just created confusion.
Hopefully he's fine for Spurs.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 26, 2022, 07:34:41 PM
Hopefully he's fine for Spurs.
I think I'd like to see him at Spurs.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 26, 2022, 07:41:14 PM
He was far from poor today. Made some good saves. Can’t really say any of the goals were his fault.
Welcome back Emi
I’m afraid he was at fault indirectly for all the first two and directly for the 3rd. Don’t wish to pick on the guy, but he just lacks any presence at this level.
Post by: CT Villan on December 26, 2022, 07:44:57 PM
Needs replacing, fingers-crossed Emi stays fit and focused.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2022, 07:45:26 PM
It's very much like Bosnich and Oakes 25 years ago.
Oakes was seen as a good prospect and we had good spells of form when he first broke into the team but 98/99 we conceded so many goals as the season went on and Bozzy just had that aura about him that Emi had even before he won the World cup.
Visually it just makes a difference to a backline.
Post by: Nev on December 26, 2022, 08:08:03 PM
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Post by: wittonwarrior on December 27, 2022, 02:16:40 AM
Post by: jwarry on December 27, 2022, 08:08:18 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 27, 2022, 10:10:42 AM
Its a new back up keeper in Jan then.
Post by: Ad@m on December 27, 2022, 10:27:22 AM
Simple passes were either going out of play or nowhere near the intended target. It was dreadful and put the back four on edge as they didn't want to pass to him.
I wouldn't describe a back up goalie as a priority for January but if Emi were to get injured we'd be in a world of trouble.
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 27, 2022, 10:32:08 AM
Post by: Ad@m on December 27, 2022, 10:34:38 AM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on December 27, 2022, 03:40:16 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 27, 2022, 06:01:51 PM
Olsen doesn't seem to have the same decisiveness or dynamism.
He wasn't rubbish last night, but he isn't anything like good enough: just as he wasn't at Everton previously.
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2022, 12:58:10 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 28, 2022, 01:01:04 AM
A recipe for disaster. Get rid.
Post by: darren woolley on December 28, 2022, 08:24:50 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2022, 09:49:59 AM
Post by: LukeJames on December 28, 2022, 09:59:33 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2022, 10:05:55 AM
He wasn't especially at fault yesterday, but he still let in three goals. It's like it's become a habit with him now, he looks beaten before the game kicks off. One of the worst signings we've ever made.
Yeah, that’s the thing.
He did actually make some decent saves against Liverpool but he just looks like a bag of nerves all the time and that clearly impacts the defenders in front of him.
He also looks terrified to come off his line - in no way whatsoever does he command the penalty area.
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2022, 11:25:02 AM
Was the same with Nyland, whereas Jed Steer, without playing out of his skin, bought that presence and composure that had been missing before.
Post by: j66acd on December 28, 2022, 11:26:40 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
Martinez looks like he’s still in Argentina, personally would have thought he’d be back by now. I think it’s unlikely he’ll play against Spurs on Sunday now.
Why, is he coming back by boat? It's Wednesday.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 29, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
He wasn't especially at fault yesterday, but he still let in three goals. It's like it's become a habit with him now, he looks beaten before the game kicks off. One of the worst signings we've ever made.
I thought he was partly to blame for the 3rd goal, coming off his line (for once) far too randomly, if he stays on his line its a lot harder for Liverpool to score.
I was in a different seat than normal as the wife on her annual visit to VP had my seat with the kids. I closer to the pitch than normal, and what i noticed was that he was a seeming nervous wreck every time they got a corner, really psyching himself up, not good.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 29, 2022, 04:27:30 PM
directly behind the goal for the third, when he come off his line I expected him to dive on the ball, think one time Konsa give him a ticking off for somethingHe wasn't especially at fault yesterday, but he still let in three goals. It's like it's become a habit with him now, he looks beaten before the game kicks off. One of the worst signings we've ever made.
I thought he was partly to blame for the 3rd goal, coming off his line (for once) far too randomly, if he stays on his line its a lot harder for Liverpool to score.
I was in a different seat than normal as the wife on her annual visit to VP had my seat with the kids. I closer to the pitch than normal, and what i noticed was that he was a seeming nervous wreck every time they got a corner, really psyching himself up, not good.
Post by: j66acd on December 29, 2022, 05:37:47 PM
Martinez looks like he’s still in Argentina, personally would have thought he’d be back by now. I think it’s unlikely he’ll play against Spurs on Sunday now.
Why, is he coming back by boat? It's Wednesday.
Looks like he’s gone via the pacific.
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 31, 2022, 05:44:36 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2022, 05:55:27 PM
No matter how poor Olsen is it seems Emery is looking to dispatch Martinez, thus Olsen plays tomorrow. I just hope Emery comes to his senses before 2pm on New Year's day
What makes you say that?
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Martinez looks like he’s still in Argentina, personally would have thought he’d be back by now. I think it’s unlikely he’ll play against Spurs on Sunday now.
Why, is he coming back by boat? It's Wednesday.
Looks like he’s gone via the pacific.
Can you be more spacific?
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2022, 06:05:58 PM
Jk. Maybe.
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 31, 2022, 06:18:49 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2023, 04:02:44 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2023, 04:03:40 PM
Post by: nigel on January 01, 2023, 04:07:13 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 01, 2023, 04:45:32 PM
Prob his best game so far.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 01, 2023, 04:46:27 PM
I'm still very dubious, but kept a clean sheet so fair play to him.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 01, 2023, 05:03:43 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2023, 05:05:03 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2023, 05:10:08 PM
I thought his distribution today was pretty good, apart from one dithering in the second half which resulted in a rollocking from Emery. He also seemed more willing to venture from his penalty area, his timing of interventions was good. It will be very interesting indeed to see who starts in goal on Wednesday.
The throw out that led to the Davies Yellow card was really distribution from him, best thing he did all game.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2023, 05:12:48 PM
Post by: john e on January 01, 2023, 05:33:26 PM
caught a few balls in the air which was an improvement
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2023, 05:33:59 PM
However, he had almost nothing at all to do.
Post by: usav on January 01, 2023, 05:39:29 PM
Post by: rougegorge on January 01, 2023, 05:43:56 PM
Did what he had to do well, which is all you can ask for.Yes he looked much more composed today.
However, he had almost nothing at all to do.
Interesting comment from Emery after the game: 'We did really good work and scored two goals. We got a clean sheet as well and Robin Olsen was fantastic.'
A slight exaggeration but, maybe he wants to give him some more confidence.
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2023, 05:51:26 PM
Did what he had to do well, which is all you can ask for.Yes he looked much more composed today.
However, he had almost nothing at all to do.
Interesting comment from Emery after the game: 'We did really good work and scored two goals. We got a clean sheet as well and Robin Olsen was fantastic.'
A slight exaggeration but, maybe he wants to give him some more confidence.
Of course it is, he was saying similar after Liverpool. A keeper with the sort of record Olsen had until today needs that from his manager, great man management.
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2023, 06:58:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 07:33:18 PM
Kicking greatly improved.
Very solid today v spurs.
Correct decision to keep him ahead of Martinez
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 01, 2023, 07:34:59 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 01, 2023, 07:50:20 PM
Did everything he needed to do today with a minimum of fuss.
Prob his best game so far.
Don’t think there’s any probably about it.
Post by: eamonn on January 01, 2023, 08:22:31 PM
Citeh away (3), Newcastle away (4), ManUre away (4), Liverpool home (3).
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2023, 08:25:43 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2023, 08:31:02 PM
He finally keeps a clean-sheet for us having come nowhere near, previously. From memory, this was his horrific record prior to today for goals let in, notwithstanding the difficult opposition:Yes but it was a small window in a player's career and there was unnecessary panic here simply fuelled by Emi's heroics in Qatar. We can always pick a set of stats from a period of our choice to make even likes of Messi look rubbish.
Citeh away (3), Newcastle away (4), ManUre away (4), Liverpool home (3).
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on January 01, 2023, 08:41:26 PM
Post by: brian green on January 01, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
Post by: Astnor on January 01, 2023, 09:10:08 PM
And i have to say I m so Happy Ashely is in before Cash - this shift at RB must also have to do with Emery and / or his coaching. Cash might be an excellent right flank midfielder? I hope so cause I dont like him defending our box.
And BTW the channel I was watching did have ROBIN OLSEN as man of the match - we all knew he had it in him :)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2023, 09:13:16 PM
Emi Martinez is very important and he is the number one. Olsen knows his role and he's very positive as a person."
"Matches like today, when we needed his performance to be good, he achieved it."
Post by: eamonn on January 01, 2023, 09:15:39 PM
He finally keeps a clean-sheet for us having come nowhere near, previously. From memory, this was his horrific record prior to today for goals let in, notwithstanding the difficult opposition:Yes but it was a small window in a player's career and there was unnecessary panic here simply fuelled by Emi's heroics in Qatar. We can always pick a set of stats from a period of our choice to make even likes of Messi look rubbish.
Citeh away (3), Newcastle away (4), ManUre away (4), Liverpool home (3).
Not slagging him off unduly, just pointing out that his time between the sticks with us so far has been both awful and unlucky (in terms of the the calibre of opponents he has faced) until today.
Post by: Astnor on January 01, 2023, 09:18:52 PM
From the gafferAll good then. Martinez probl also have to learn some from Emery and his coaches to play the keeper-role they want him to play like they seem to have taught Olsen during the WC period.
Emi Martinez is very important and he is the number one. Olsen knows his role and he's very positive as a person."
"Matches like today, when we needed his performance to be good, he achieved it."
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2023, 09:23:59 PM
Do you remember when the Djemba Djembas played for us? Perhaps there are two Olsens.
There are, Mary-Kate and Ashley. :)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 01, 2023, 10:16:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 10:24:04 PM
I think that's fair assessment.From the gafferAll good then. Martinez probl also have to learn some from Emery and his coaches to play the keeper-role they want him to play like they seem to have taught Olsen during the WC period.
Emi Martinez is very important and he is the number one. Olsen knows his role and he's very positive as a person."
"Matches like today, when we needed his performance to be good, he achieved it."
I would like to think Martinez now gets afforded the home game against Wolves and a heroes return!
Olsen can then take Stevenage in the cup at home.
Olsen has likely gained some confidence as a result of his strong performance and clean sheet, which is good news all around.
Emi can now enter, but it's good that Olsen is supporting the effort and demonstrating his own growth.
Martinez only needs to keep his focus, and when he plays his distribution under control when receiving back passes!
Let's go Villa!
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 03:41:43 PM
Our Cup goalie.
Post by: TaxDodger on January 08, 2023, 03:43:14 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 08, 2023, 03:45:49 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 03:47:16 PM
Cup goalie? He won't be when we play someone decent that's for sure.Played v Man Utd League cup away.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 03:55:36 PM
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2023, 03:56:38 PM
Good Luck to Olsen today.
Our Cup goalie.
Well let's hope he performs better than he did in his last cup outing, when he was utterly shite.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 03:56:46 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 08, 2023, 05:47:07 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 05:52:18 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2023, 06:25:46 PM
Clearly not good enough and never will be.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 06:28:45 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 08, 2023, 06:33:59 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 08, 2023, 06:38:30 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 06:43:05 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 08, 2023, 06:48:21 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 08, 2023, 06:49:01 PM
I know it's become a bit of a given that the reserve goalie of most top flight sides gets a run out in the early rounds of the cup now. But this bloke has shown quite recently he has a rick or ten in him.
Post by: john e on January 08, 2023, 06:53:40 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 08, 2023, 07:02:59 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2023, 07:03:45 PM
He's a liability, needs removing from the match day squad and should be trained on how to be a goalkeeper
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 08, 2023, 07:06:20 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 07:14:10 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
It’s not about a cup keeper. It’s about having a reliable back who does the basic stuff well. Robin Olsen is simply dreadful. About as poor an option as any club has. He’s a complete liability. I hope you see that now having defended him and considered him better than Emi Martinez
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 08, 2023, 07:18:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 07:21:08 PM
Cost us in both domestic cup competitions, all while a World Cup winner was warming the bench. Madness.
Martinez shouldn’t need to play versus Stevenage. And much more importantly while the keeper fucked up look at our shots on target. We are utterly abysmal in attack. Their keeper didn’t have to make a single save of note. Not one
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
It’s not about a cup keeper. It’s about having a reliable back who does the basic stuff well. Robin Olsen is simply dreadful. About as poor an option as any club has. He’s a complete liability. I hope you see that now having defended him and considered him better than Emi Martinez
Martinez isn't any much better at distribution to the midfield from possession on the floor as I've always said Emi is number one but both aren't suited to Emerys playing out from the back.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 07:24:18 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
It’s not about a cup keeper. It’s about having a reliable back who does the basic stuff well. Robin Olsen is simply dreadful. About as poor an option as any club has. He’s a complete liability. I hope you see that now having defended him and considered him better than Emi Martinez
Martinez isn't any much better at distribution to the midfield from possession on the floor as I've always said Emi is number one but both aren't suited to Emerys playing out from the back.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Martinez is Andrea Pirlo with his kicking compared to Olsen.
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2023, 07:31:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 07:32:17 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
It’s not about a cup keeper. It’s about having a reliable back who does the basic stuff well. Robin Olsen is simply dreadful. About as poor an option as any club has. He’s a complete liability. I hope you see that now having defended him and considered him better than Emi Martinez
Martinez isn't any much better at distribution to the midfield from possession on the floor as I've always said Emi is number one but both aren't suited to Emerys playing out from the back.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Martinez is Andrea Pirlo with his kicking compared to Olsen.
When in receiving a back pass and I'm not meaning it just for a goal kick. Olsen has terrible long and even short kicks. Martinez's playing a short pass into midfield and out wide isn't exactly world-class.
Martinez is obviously lot better, but in my opinion, not significantly better. at distribution. Martinez is the best goalkeeper available overall, so absolutely he should play against Leeds and now Olsen has to be given competition either this window or in summer as the back up keeper role.
Ideally needs replacing for cup games.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2023, 07:34:26 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 07:34:37 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
It’s not about a cup keeper. It’s about having a reliable back who does the basic stuff well. Robin Olsen is simply dreadful. About as poor an option as any club has. He’s a complete liability. I hope you see that now having defended him and considered him better than Emi Martinez
Martinez isn't any much better at distribution to the midfield from possession on the floor as I've always said Emi is number one but both aren't suited to Emerys playing out from the back.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Martinez is Andrea Pirlo with his kicking compared to Olsen.
Martinez is obviously lot better, but in my opinion, not significantly better.
I’m done. Waving the white flag. I’ve got literally nothing else to add given this assessment
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2023, 07:36:04 PM
I don’t want to read anyone defending this useless prick. Absolutely fucking shit
We need a new cup goal keeper for next season -on his two recebt showings in the league and fa cup he has hindered us.
It’s not about a cup keeper. It’s about having a reliable back who does the basic stuff well. Robin Olsen is simply dreadful. About as poor an option as any club has. He’s a complete liability. I hope you see that now having defended him and considered him better than Emi Martinez
Martinez isn't any much better at distribution to the midfield from possession on the floor as I've always said Emi is number one but both aren't suited to Emerys playing out from the back.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Martinez is Andrea Pirlo with his kicking compared to Olsen.
Martinez is obviously lot better, but in my opinion, not significantly better.
I’m done. Waving the white flag. I’ve got literally nothing else to add given this assessment
No I'm talking about distribution!
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 08, 2023, 07:36:14 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 08, 2023, 07:38:58 PM
Comparing Emi to this dunce in any fashion should have your fan card revoked. Absolute nonsense and insulting.
Post by: Steve67 on January 08, 2023, 07:46:35 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2023, 07:50:54 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 08, 2023, 07:51:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 07:54:58 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 08, 2023, 07:56:01 PM
The Swedes usually have solid players. It’s not like this bloke is a part time fisherman and plays for the Faroes. Although having watched him he’d be shit at being a fisherman too.Nah, he'd end up with plenty in the net as he does for us.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Who on earth is the second best?
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 08, 2023, 07:59:19 PM
Although having watched him he’d be shit at being a fisherman too.
I'm not so sure. He seems pretty good and finding things in his net that had no right being there.
Post by: Villan82 on January 08, 2023, 08:00:05 PM
I really don't see why it comes as such a shock to football fans when the second choice keeper plays in cup games against lower league opposition. It's a very well established fact of life in the modern game.
Do we need an upgrade on this guy? Absolutely! But don't be surprised when it's the backup 'keeper starting cup games next season.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 08, 2023, 08:00:40 PM
He's just been voted Best Swedish Keeper for the 7th season in a row.
Who on earth is the second best?
Dag Hammarskjöld
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 08, 2023, 08:08:21 PM
He's just been voted Best Swedish Keeper for the 7th season in a row.
Who on earth is the second best?
Olof Butterfingers
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2023, 08:18:25 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 08, 2023, 08:20:10 PM
He's just been voted Best Swedish Keeper for the 7th season in a row.
Who on earth is the second best?
Dag Hammarskjöld
Dirk Hemorrhoid
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 08, 2023, 08:23:16 PM
He's just been voted Best Swedish Keeper for the 7th season in a row.
Who on earth is the second best?
Might check i am not on the list
Post by: Legion on January 08, 2023, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
It's his birthday today.
Nice of him to give the town of Stevenage a present. Next time, just buy them a cake.
Post by: olaftab on January 08, 2023, 08:51:26 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 08, 2023, 09:09:41 PM
It's his birthday today.
It’s Kim Jong-un‘s birthday too. I’d rather have him in goal.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 08, 2023, 09:10:01 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 08, 2023, 09:26:03 PM
Post by: Legion on January 08, 2023, 09:33:23 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 08, 2023, 09:38:21 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 08, 2023, 09:39:39 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 08, 2023, 09:41:39 PM
Post by: Clive W on January 08, 2023, 09:44:45 PM
It's his birthday today.
It’s Kim Jong-un‘s birthday too. I’d rather have him in goal.
The trouble is he would line up all of our outfield players in front on an anti tank missile launcher
Actually…!
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 08, 2023, 09:59:26 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 08, 2023, 10:02:04 PM
He should never play for our great club again.
Terminate contract and get someone else in.
I'm really not happy about today. I am actually a bit angry. Season over really.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 08, 2023, 10:07:55 PM
Mindless ball to a player with his back to the action on the edge of the area and as slow to get down as Frankenstein's monster would be. Another Lange beauty.
The actual ball to Dendoncker was fine and it was him getting caught on the ball that caused the problem, but you have to question the decision to play a ball out like that in the last couple of minutes of a cup tie. He'd played one into midfield that got intercepted not long before that which should have acted as a warning.
There is no way he should have been beaten by that shot for the second goal. Awful defending in the lead up to it, but he has got to save that.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 08, 2023, 11:01:26 PM
Total garbage.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2023, 11:41:56 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 09, 2023, 12:19:55 AM
instead of buying footballers in this transfer window we should make it top priority to purchase a missile launcher firstIt's his birthday today.
It’s Kim Jong-un‘s birthday too. I’d rather have him in goal.
The trouble is he would line up all of our outfield players in front on an anti tank missile launcher
Actually…!
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 09, 2023, 10:57:55 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 09, 2023, 12:35:13 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 09, 2023, 12:39:47 PM
One of life's great mysteries remains how the fuck is Olsen Sweden's number 1 goalkeeper? In fact how is he even a goalkeeper let alone an international goalkeeper?He's very good at gathering crosses tbf. The rest of his game, notsomuch.
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2023, 12:47:28 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 09, 2023, 12:51:01 PM
One of life's great mysteries remains how the fuck is Olsen Sweden's number 1 goalkeeper? In fact how is he even a goalkeeper let alone an international goalkeeper?
I like this, it's better than '1 Robin Olsen, there's only 1 Robin Ooooolsen'.
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2023, 12:53:33 PM
I can see someone's head rolling in the not too distant future over the way our money appears to have been wasted. We saw what happened when Mr Sawiris ran out of patience with Steven Gerrard, no kiss of death statement about having the boards full support; just whack! The guillotine just dropped. If I were a gambling man I'd have a flutter on Christian Purslow.
Yep, probably a mutually convenient face-saving retirement at the end of the season.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 09, 2023, 01:05:18 PM
I never want to see this guy in our team again!What I said in November. There's no way he should be letting that in at his near post yesterday!
Post by: KevinGage on January 09, 2023, 01:07:55 PM
One of life's great mysteries remains how the fuck is Olsen Sweden's number 1 goalkeeper? In fact how is he even a goalkeeper let alone an international goalkeeper?
Can only assume No 2 Dirk Haemorrhoid has no hands.
Jeez they must be struggling as a nation if this lad is the best they have.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 09, 2023, 01:14:48 PM
There is no way he should have been beaten by that shot for the second goal. Awful defending in the lead up to it, but he has got to save that.
He could have kicked it away it was that close to him. Given the pace of the shot he was never going to get down in time. The less said about the rest of the team defending that corner. As others have said I don't think it would have happened on Mings' watch.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 09, 2023, 01:20:41 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 09, 2023, 03:04:46 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2023, 03:09:25 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on January 09, 2023, 04:11:45 PM
As usual it ended in me told to 'stop banging on about a no.2'
Looks like I was right
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 09, 2023, 04:24:15 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 09, 2023, 06:00:14 PM
Dendonker only had to play that ball back and let Olsen hoof it, but chose not to. Awful keeper, genuinely worse than Nyland and Enkleman which is an achievement.just kick the f**ker into the stands,we seen this passing the ball out from the back and we are crap at it and it's come to bite us on the arse big time
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2023, 08:09:35 PM
Dendonker only had to play that ball back and let Olsen hoof it, but chose not to. Awful keeper, genuinely worse than Nyland and Enkleman which is an achievement.just kick the f**ker into the stands,we seen this passing the ball out from the back and we are crap at it and it's come to bite us on the arse big time
Twice in 4 games already.
Post by: LukeJames on January 09, 2023, 08:12:23 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2023, 09:15:19 AM
Argument is that you have to embed it as a style. Arsenal got caught out with it time and again when Emery and Arteta implemented it there, but over time have improved with it. We need to get better at it, not can the principle of it. In the 86th minute though, just get rid!
Surely then, that's another argument for starting with your best keeper and using the match to drill it into him and the defence a bit more?
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2023, 10:15:12 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 10, 2023, 07:48:05 PM
Oh I would not have had Olsen in the vacinity of the ground. Martinez is the kne I would start whatever the fixture!
He truly is a terrible keeper, not even a shot stopper, even Nyland had that in his locker if nothing else. I said to my son when Stevenage got their penalty, he’s one of them keepers that dives after the ball has already hit the net.
I thought it was a bit harsh at the time, but now with hindsight, with Martinez in goal there is no way Man City come back and beat us 3-2 last season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2023, 10:42:20 AM
Depressingly accurate.
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2023, 10:44:01 AM
Listening to thevillapodcast yesterday, they said, correctly that Olsen is a keeper who doesn’t make saves, and that a shot on target = a goal.
Depressingly accurate.
Carson was the other that stood out for me in that respect.
Post by: The Edge on January 11, 2023, 10:49:50 AM
I called it early on in the Summer that we were in DESPERATE need of a top no.2 , with Martinez having extended breaks away from the club we really needed to replace Tom Heaton with a shot stopper of the same ability, we should go back in for him.If that's what you said then you were spot on. It's the banging on about us not selling out that usually gets people's backs up. What do you think about the attendance being given as 32k the other day? If there was ten thousand empty seats I'm a Chinaman.
As usual it ended in me told to 'stop banging on about a no.2'
Looks like I was right
Post by: KevinGage on January 11, 2023, 11:00:54 AM
And what's with your quoting style? Do you always mean to centre it? Seems more effort for no payoff.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2023, 11:16:22 AM
Listening to thevillapodcast yesterday, they said, correctly that Olsen is a keeper who doesn’t make saves, and that a shot on target = a goal.
Depressingly accurate.
Carson was the other that stood out for me in that respect.
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2023, 11:42:36 AM
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Was just about to post something similar, rarely can one match have had such a detrimental effect on a player's career. Mind you, he's still on the books for Man City as their 3rd keeper, so he's making about the same contribution as Grealish I suppose.
Post by: Nev on January 11, 2023, 11:50:18 AM
He needs to be replaced as a priority.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 11, 2023, 12:00:39 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 11, 2023, 01:05:41 PM
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Was just about to post something similar, rarely can one match have had such a detrimental effect on a player's career. Mind you, he's still on the books for Man City as their 3rd keeper, so he's making about the same contribution as Grealish I suppose.
Encklemen says hello.
Post by: WassallVillain on January 11, 2023, 02:49:58 PM
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Was just about to post something similar, rarely can one match have had such a detrimental effect on a player's career. Mind you, he's still on the books for Man City as their 3rd keeper, so he's making about the same contribution as Grealish I suppose.
Encklemen says hello.
A knowledgeable friend of mine reckons the young GK at Walsall is worth a look at. He’s watched him a bit recently and was impressed with his play and presence.
Post by: darren woolley on January 11, 2023, 02:55:20 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 11, 2023, 03:07:38 PM
We definitely need a new number two.
As long as well don't all end up running across the beach being chased by a weather balloon.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2023, 03:13:24 PM
We definitely need a new number two.
He's proven himself to be a big number two lots of times. Case in point last weekend.
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 11, 2023, 03:27:09 PM
Then bring in a experienced old head as 3rd to support both
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2023, 03:27:35 PM
Every time I open this thread, my hopes that Olsen has gone to IFK Norköping or somewhere are dashed, badly dashed.
IFK NoKeeping more like.
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2023, 04:27:53 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 11, 2023, 11:03:19 PM
Listening to thevillapodcast yesterday, they said, correctly that Olsen is a keeper who doesn’t make saves, and that a shot on target = a goal.
Depressingly accurate.
Carson was the other that stood out for me in that respect.
Or "Bunny"....there was definitely one cup game against some lower league team he played in where every shot remotely near the corner of the goal went in.
Post by: Matt C on January 12, 2023, 03:01:36 AM
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Was just about to post something similar, rarely can one match have had such a detrimental effect on a player's career. Mind you, he's still on the books for Man City as their 3rd keeper, so he's making about the same contribution as Grealish I suppose.
07-08 he was excellent - 11 clean sheets, looked like a very dependable keeper. Then he got called up for England and after that game was never the same again.
Left us. Retired. Signed for the Albion, I think played for Wigan and has since been keeping Man City’s “home grown” quota up. Funny old career.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2023, 03:04:28 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2023, 08:23:26 AM
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Was just about to post something similar, rarely can one match have had such a detrimental effect on a player's career. Mind you, he's still on the books for Man City as their 3rd keeper, so he's making about the same contribution as Grealish I suppose.
07-08 he was excellent - 11 clean sheets, looked like a very dependable keeper. Then he got called up for England and after that game was never the same again.
Left us. Retired. Signed for the Albion, I think played for Wigan and has since been keeping Man City’s “home grown” quota up. Funny old career.
I've always wondered about how those keepers who settle for years of being third choice at a big club really feel. I presume they get decent money to compensate them for the fact they are never likely to play, but surely there must be some ink
to still want to play.
Post by: The Edge on January 12, 2023, 08:35:05 AM
Post by: algy on January 12, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
Can't find it now, but Rene Gilmartin did an excellent interview about being Watford's 3rd choice keeper. Basically said he had to learn to enjoy it for what it was - you're getting a view in to professional football that most people could only dream of, and you've still managed to become a professional footballer which is an achievement in itself. Plus you've created an amazing opportunity - you train until 1pm, so he ended up doing good coaching exams, commentated on their games for the club radio station, did a load of community outreach stuff ... basically approached it as if his job was doing random jobs around the football club, one of which was standing in as a goalkeeper on emergencies.
Carson did pretty well for us, I thought, until that England match, after which it was all down hill for the thin Chris Moyles lookalike.
Was just about to post something similar, rarely can one match have had such a detrimental effect on a player's career. Mind you, he's still on the books for Man City as their 3rd keeper, so he's making about the same contribution as Grealish I suppose.
07-08 he was excellent - 11 clean sheets, looked like a very dependable keeper. Then he got called up for England and after that game was never the same again.
Left us. Retired. Signed for the Albion, I think played for Wigan and has since been keeping Man City’s “home grown” quota up. Funny old career.
I've always wondered about how those keepers who settle for years of being third choice at a big club really feel. I presume they get decent money to compensate them for the fact they are never likely to play, but surely there must be some ink
to still want to play.
Post by: KevinGage on January 12, 2023, 08:48:35 AM
Post by: brian green on January 12, 2023, 09:25:08 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2023, 09:32:08 AM
Post by: dave shelley on January 12, 2023, 12:36:04 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2023, 01:23:43 PM
In the early seventies Villa had two goalkeepers one admittedly on loan, Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams who was the loanee, now if you think Olsen is bad, which he is, you should have seen this pair.
There was a clip on the old 'History of Aston Villa' video that was from Match of the Day around then, home to Notts County. Our keeper saves a penalty and Barry Davies can't believe it in the commentary because he's been hopeless the rest of the match, was that Tommy Hughes?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 12, 2023, 01:29:15 PM
In the early seventies Villa had two goalkeepers one admittedly on loan, Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams who was the loanee, now if you think Olsen is bad, which he is, you should have seen this pair.
There was a clip on the old 'History of Aston Villa' video that was from Match of the Day around then, home to Notts County. Our keeper saves a penalty and Barry Davies can't believe it in the commentary because he's been hopeless the rest of the match, was that Tommy Hughes?
Yep. And that was his last game for us. The ups and downs of the life of a goalkeeper.
Post by: wince on January 12, 2023, 03:07:41 PM
Post by: Paul.S on January 12, 2023, 03:19:54 PM
We can’t be put in a position again where our replacement is that bad we’d rather play rush keeper. I don’t normally wade in with remarks like this but Olsen is nowhere near good enough.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 12, 2023, 03:41:37 PM
Listening to thevillapodcast yesterday, they said, correctly that Olsen is a keeper who doesn’t make saves, and that a shot on target = a goal.
Depressingly accurate.
It reminds me of Nyland vs Forest. 5 shots on target, 5 goals.
Post by: dave shelley on January 12, 2023, 03:44:21 PM
In the early seventies Villa had two goalkeepers one admittedly on loan, Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams who was the loanee, now if you think Olsen is bad, which he is, you should have seen this pair.
There was a clip on the old 'History of Aston Villa' video that was from Match of the Day around then, home to Notts County. Our keeper saves a penalty and Barry Davies can't believe it in the commentary because he's been hopeless the rest of the match, was that Tommy Hughes?
I have that video, it's great.
Post by: trinityoap on January 12, 2023, 04:40:52 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 12, 2023, 05:20:10 PM
Didn't Evan Williams go on to play for Celtic in a European Cup Final? I remember the Tommy Hughes save. He had been useless all game as the commentator said. If he had bent down to tie his laces he would have fallen over.
Yes. European Cup final Vs Ajax lost 2-1. Was still shit for us.
Post by: tricky59 on January 12, 2023, 05:45:59 PM
Think it was vs Feyenoord Dave.Didn't Evan Williams go on to play for Celtic in a European Cup Final? I remember the Tommy Hughes save. He had been useless all game as the commentator said. If he had bent down to tie his laces he would have fallen over.
Yes. European Cup final Vs Ajax lost 2-1. Was still shit for us.
Tommy Hughes was replaced by Jim Cumbes and it made quite a difference as in his first game we won 6-0 at Oldham. A watershed moment in Villa's history I think.
Post by: dave shelley on January 12, 2023, 05:57:22 PM
Think it was vs Feyenoord Dave.Didn't Evan Williams go on to play for Celtic in a European Cup Final? I remember the Tommy Hughes save. He had been useless all game as the commentator said. If he had bent down to tie his laces he would have fallen over.
Yes. European Cup final Vs Ajax lost 2-1. Was still shit for us.
Tommy Hughes was replaced by Jim Cumbes and it made quite a difference as in his first game we won 6-0 at Oldham. A watershed moment in Villa's history I think.
Indeed it was, I've still got Rotterdam on my mind see. 😉
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2023, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2023, 11:15:28 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
In the early seventies Villa had two goalkeepers one admittedly on loan, Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams who was the loanee, now if you think Olsen is bad, which he is, you should have seen this pair.
There was a clip on the old 'History of Aston Villa' video that was from Match of the Day around then, home to Notts County. Our keeper saves a penalty and Barry Davies can't believe it in the commentary because he's been hopeless the rest of the match, was that Tommy Hughes?
Yep. And that was his last game for us. The ups and downs of the life of a goalkeeper.
The penalty was from that dirty little shit Don Masson. It was so bad I could’ve saved it at my current age.
When Masson did a sneaky follow through on the keeper Ian Ross I think started loudly remonstrating with the referee.
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 14, 2023, 02:58:36 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 14, 2023, 03:02:00 AM
It was George Curtis, I Believe.
Ouch!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 13, 2023, 12:04:10 PM
Clearly, he is not showing up to be good enough for training, and we are giving TWO young goalkeepers match day experience on the bench ahead of him.
He's not the solution in any way next season, and an experienced goalkeeper or two need to be signed depending on Martinez's position at the end of the season.
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2023, 12:06:16 PM
Telling Olsen wasn't even in the squad. I was wondering if there was to be an Issue with Martinez but maybe Olsen has the issue.
Clearly not showing up to be good enough for training and we are giving TWO goal keepers match day experience on bench ahead of him
He's not the solution in any way next season and an experienced goal keeper or two need to be signed depending on Martinez position end of season.
Even more strange, he was at the game yesterday, in full training gear.
Post by: Pete3206 on February 13, 2023, 09:57:52 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 10:41:51 AM
It's interesting to note that Carlo Ancelotti took him to Everton in 2020–21, where he spent one season and played 7 games on loan.
Due to Pickford's subpar play in a few games, he took Pickford's place.
At the time, it was seen as some kind of rivalry to encourage Pickford to perform and compete to his best.
Maybe that's what Emery will do with Martinez and Olsen for the rest of the season to keep Martinez alert.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2023, 10:46:30 AM
I wonder what role he'll be undertaking today at Everton. If he hasn't totally fallen out of favour, it's not even out of the realms he could play today
What on earth makes you think that?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 10:51:07 AM
It's more about wondering for debate and also what role he has within the club till the summer.
I think it's wise to stick with Martinez today, provided everything is clear between manager and player.
I'll maintain my hunch we haven't seen the last of Olsen this season for one reason or another.
Levels are vastly different in abilities, but there's a degree of competition, and he's competent if a little uninspiring.
It would be underwhelming news if so, but we can't be totally surprised if he gets minutes again.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 10:56:57 AM
It's just some thoughts on the goal keeper situation thats all.
We all have our theories, views, thoughts, ideas and musings on the goalkeeping situation at the moment it just widens the debate from simply Martinez to include Olsen in discussion.
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
Post by: LukeJames on February 25, 2023, 11:22:39 AM
Played played at Everton and is familiar with the groundThis is gold.
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 25, 2023, 11:24:18 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2023, 11:27:39 AM
He's not even remotely competent.
He is familiar with the ground, though, so will be able to locate the nearest gate if for any reason he needs to make an unforeseen quick exit.
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 25, 2023, 11:31:19 AM
He's not even remotely competent.
Indeed. He’s a bloody nightmare, and I would never want to see him in a Villa shirt again.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 25, 2023, 11:36:49 AM
He's not even remotely competent.
He is familiar with the ground, though, so will be able to locate the nearest gate if for any reason he needs to make an unforeseen quick exit.
Get him selling the pies and beer if he's familiar with the ground
Post by: Chris Smith on February 25, 2023, 11:42:51 AM
He's not even remotely competent.
He is familiar with the ground, though, so will be able to locate the nearest gate if for any reason he needs to make an unforeseen quick exit.
Get him selling the pies and beer if he's familiar with the ground
He’d either hand them to the wrong customer or drop them on the floor.
Post by: curiousorange on February 25, 2023, 11:48:04 AM
Post by: LukeJames on February 25, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 25, 2023, 11:49:06 AM
Jaysus, have the nukes started while was hibernating?
Post by: curiousorange on February 25, 2023, 11:53:17 AM
The absolute scenes on here when Olsen starts and Emery confirms after the match that it was because of his familiarity with the surroundings.
"We tried booking McDonald's for the party, but they said they were full, so I decided to give Robin a go in goal instead. It was a lovely day, loads of laughter and there was even a clown."
Post by: KevinGage on February 25, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
We aren't freescoring enough to hit the 3s and 4s it invariably needs with him chucking them in at the other end.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
Emery wants the squad to be competitive, energetic, and able to analyse and reflect the matches as well as after training sessions. He talks to players individually and collectively, and then a decision is made to as who better suited outfield and who to be starting on as a substitute.
Regarding the next season and competition, then I can see two goalkeepers being signed this summer and maybe both Martinez and Olsen going.
The remainder of the games will give an indication what's likely to happen with both goalkeepers.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 25, 2023, 12:11:21 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2023, 12:14:37 PM
Post by: curiousorange on February 25, 2023, 12:20:40 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 12:21:52 PM
Martinez hasn't been rotated in the league, he had time off after the World Cup. Sticking Olsen in goal for the cup competitions was stupid by Emery and led to us being knocked out of them both.That is rotation. Sqaud rotation . Martinez been given a rest.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 12:23:50 PM
Nothing good ever comes of rotating keepers. You replace them because of injury or form, but doing it to wet the beak of the reserve is just asking for trouble. Martinez might have been getting a few pelters since the World Cup but the difference in how the defence look when he's in the sticks and when Olsen is is night and day, and that's even accepting the mad amount of goals we've been shipping.
That's true Martinez is number one on ability. I just see there's more to come with the whole Martinez, Olsen and starting goal keeper affair this season given the nature of Emi and Unai relations and way Emery wants us to play to his instructions.
Post by: curiousorange on February 25, 2023, 12:26:23 PM
Nothing good ever comes of rotating keepers. You replace them because of injury or form, but doing it to wet the beak of the reserve is just asking for trouble. Martinez might have been getting a few pelters since the World Cup but the difference in how the defence look when he's in the sticks and when Olsen is is night and day, and that's even accepting the mad amount of goals we've been shipping.
That's true Martinez is number one on ability. I just see there's more to come with the whole Martinez, Olsen Emery affair this season given the nature of Emi and Unai relations.
I think that's too much of a stretch. Olsen might get the last game or whatever, depending on where we are in the league, but I can't see him making the team this side of Easter myself.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 25, 2023, 12:53:33 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 25, 2023, 12:55:24 PM
The remainder of the games will give an indication what's likely to happen with both goalkeepers.I don't think so, injuries aside.
Frankly, I think Sinisalo will get a shout before Olsen*
*who was rubbish when at Everton and shite when at Sheff U. Don't know why we brought to Villa at all.
Post by: OCD on February 25, 2023, 12:56:29 PM
This really is getting very tiresome now isn’t it?
Footy snookering the threads? Yep.
Post by: dave shelley on February 25, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 25, 2023, 01:03:47 PM
This really is getting very tiresome now isn’t it?
Footy snookering the threads? Yep.
That’s a very polite way of putting it. To continue the non sweary theme I’ll describe it as chronic attention seeking.
Post by: Beard82 on February 25, 2023, 01:07:31 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2023, 01:09:59 PM
Olsen didnt make the bench last game though? I would be surprised to see him ever play in a Villa side again
Last couple of games he's been absent with no reason seemingly give, Zych has been sub keeper and the other guy sometimes to make up the numbers.
Post by: LukeJames on February 25, 2023, 01:10:48 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2023, 01:10:54 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2023, 01:13:17 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 25, 2023, 01:15:32 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 25, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 25, 2023, 01:28:15 PM
We should have just terminated him in January.
I know football can be ruthless, but that feels a bit harsh.
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2023, 01:43:00 PM
Post by: curiousorange on February 25, 2023, 02:06:02 PM
I'd rather have Steven Wonder in goal.
Or, indeed, Stevland Morris.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 25, 2023, 02:10:51 PM
Post by: curiousorange on February 25, 2023, 02:11:47 PM
Can we make our Portuguese team have him? Tell them he's brilliant.
Marvellous's brother?
Post by: Goldenballs on February 25, 2023, 02:38:27 PM
Can we make our Portuguese team have him? Tell them he's brilliant.
Marvellous's brother?
Buy one get one free.
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2023, 12:31:53 PM
We should have just terminated him in January.
I know football can be ruthless, but that feels a bit harsh.
Yeah, can't we just make sure he's locked away somewhere on matchdays? There should be some kind of appaling goalkeepers register, where they're all required to go to their local police station on matchday to ensure they can't be inadvertedly picked to play.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2023, 07:52:12 PM
We should have just terminated him in January.
I know football can be ruthless, but that feels a bit harsh.
Yeah, can't we just make sure he's locked away somewhere on matchdays? There should be some kind of appaling goalkeepers register, where they're all required to go to their local police station on matchday to ensure they can't be inadvertedly picked to play.
This puts me in mind of Homer Simpson delivering a rant at city hall when he was running to be sanitation commissioner. At the end of it the guy behind the desk says, "that's great, buddy, but this is where you register as a sex offender."
Followed by Mo Sszyslak entering the room and proclaiming, "ach, there's always a line!"
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 02, 2023, 07:41:08 PM
Emery has mentioned an injury.
pity didn't mention a free transfer or contract ended
Post by: OCD on March 03, 2023, 03:41:49 PM
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2023, 05:19:41 PM
He's available again. We'll finally be able to name 3 goalkeepers on the bench.
It'll still be only two goalkeepers. And Robin Olsen.
Post by: OCD on March 03, 2023, 07:03:31 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 23, 2023, 08:46:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2023, 11:48:53 AM
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2023, 12:00:45 PM
We need to replace him with someone who can play in the same way as Emi, but that won't be easy. I think it might also be time to give Sinisalo a chance if Emi misses out again, we know what we get from Olsen isn't good enough, so no point carrying on with him.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 24, 2023, 12:17:14 PM
What is actually wrong with Jed? Seems like he's been injured since we got promoted.
Ruptured his achilles playing for Luton at the arse end of last season was the last I heard of him.
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 12:20:34 PM
What is actually wrong with Jed? Seems like he's been injured since we got promoted.
I think it's calf/achilles related.
Post by: Mister E on April 24, 2023, 03:53:44 PM
Sinisalo has to be a better option, surely?
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 24, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 24, 2023, 04:30:58 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 24, 2023, 04:37:07 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2023, 04:42:27 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:25:06 AM
While I don't believe Olsen is completely inept like others xhoose to believe and rant about , as he has shown some ability at Villa and in his career in goalkeeping, he is not a good fit for our style of play. That's the main issue for me and Emery.
Olsen has demonstrated goalkeeping skills, in particular he performed well against Spurs and Man City making good saves and can easily be competent in goal against minnows of qualifying round of Europe as he's unlikely to even touch the ball
He can stay on as an experienced head for the sqaud and 3 gk aspeect but it's necessary to bring in a natural goalie like a South American or Spaniard who is at ease playing it out as our chief reserve.
Older Goalkeepers from Scandinavia, like Olsen, lack the natural footballing skill to distribute the ball and haven't been taught to play this way when he was developing so he's a lost cause for that hope
Post by: FatSam on July 23, 2023, 09:47:32 AM
Olsen has demonstrated goalkeeping skills, in particular he performed well against Spurs and Man City making good saves and can easily be competent in goal against minnows of qualifying round of Europe as he's unlikely to even touch the ballWhilst I agree with the overall sentiment of your post, the fact is that he looked very nervy against Man City, and had literally nothing to do against Spurs. He wasn’t convincing against the minnows of Stevenage either. Yes, he clearly has some experience, and that shouldn’t be completely disregarded, especially as a number 2. I worry though that he has become such a liability in terms of his affect on the rest of the team and the crowd that the situation is irretrievable. I agree that it would be better to either have a number 2 who is comfortable with the ball at their feet, or one that helps with the homegrown quota.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 02:17:21 AM
Dear oh dear oh dear.
To be fair Olsen at first had improved and playing the ball out correctly, but after conceding he lost all confidence and his passing caused it to twice straight to Newcastle players with bad distribution.
Need to really consider replacing him with a stronger option.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 24, 2023, 07:05:12 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2023, 08:33:26 AM
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2023, 08:52:03 AM
A keeper who can play out from the back and feels at ease with the ball at his feet is needed.AND
While I don't believe Olsen is completely inept like others xhoose to believe and rant about , as he has shown some ability at Villa and in his career in goalkeeping, he is not a good fit for our style of play. That's the main issue for me and Emery.
Olsen has demonstrated goalkeeping skills, in particular he performed well against Spurs and Man City making good saves and can easily be competent in goal against minnows of qualifying round of Europe as he's unlikely to even touch the ball
He can stay on as an experienced head for the sqaud and 3 gk aspeect but it's necessary to bring in a natural goalie like a South American or Spaniard who is at ease playing it out as our chief reserve.
Older Goalkeepers from Scandinavia, like Olsen, lack the natural footballing skill to distribute the ball and haven't been taught to play this way when he was developing so he's a lost cause for that hope
Vs Newcastle summer series.These are a little contradictory, Footy, to say the least.
Dear oh dear oh dear.
To be fair Olsen at first had improved and playing the ball out correctly, but after conceding he lost all confidence and his passing caused it to twice straight to Newcastle players with bad distribution.
Need to really consider replacing him with a stronger option.
From all the scouting you've done, which back-up keeper-options do you favour?
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 24, 2023, 08:54:25 AM
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2023, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 09:03:00 AM
I really wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult for us to attract a decent back up goalie, as we can offer a reasonable number of games in European and domestic cup competitions, and the opportunity to understudy in the Premier league the world's best keeper. I'm surprised we haven't got someone in place in time to take part in these pre- season games, which kind of makes me fear that the intention is to stick with Olsen.
Maybe it's a case of any of the younger keepers who would be good enough are already at clubs, or have spent the last few seasons being understudy and want to make the leap to 1st choice now. It's a difficult position to fill really, you want someone who is proven good enough if we're going to let him play cup/European games, but inexperienced enough that he'd be happy in the worst case scenario with the possibility of only a handful of games.
I think looking for an experienced keeper coming towards the end of his career is a better option for the immediate future. Hope one of the two young keepers we have can put in a good season on loan and bring someone through over the next few seasons that way.
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2023, 09:20:03 AM
Post by: luke95 on July 24, 2023, 09:34:49 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 09:40:55 AM
What's Jed Steer upto these days . Never understood why we let him go, as he was more than decent understudy.
I think he wants to go and play from what he said in his goodbye chat at the end of the season.
Post by: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
Olsen as a shot stopper is fine….Olsen with the ball near his feet would (& does) terrify Villa Park.
If we could ship Olsen out just to make sure he doesn’t keep popping up that would also be appreciated :-)
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2023, 09:44:56 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 09:52:43 AM
Is there another club out there with such a quality gap between number one keeper and back up?
He also clearly scares the defence to death too.
I can’t believe we won’t get a replacement in. We’ve got a lot of games this coming season - the thought of Olsen playing a decent number is just terrifying.
Post by: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 09:54:13 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2023, 09:55:57 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2023, 09:57:35 AM
Post by: Dave P on July 24, 2023, 10:01:17 AM
Post by: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 10:03:36 AM
He’s awful, and particularly bad at playing the way we want to play.
Is there another club out there with such a quality gap between number one keeper and back up?
Outsiders would probably say that we have two international first choice keepers for teams in top 25 in FIFA rankings….such a weird game football as in reality he terrifies us all :-)
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2023, 10:18:49 AM
Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 10:24:31 AM
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Post by: aj2k77 on July 24, 2023, 10:28:31 AM
Post by: levico on July 24, 2023, 10:28:40 AM
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2023, 10:29:55 AM
We simply can't go into the new season with Olsen as number two, under any circumstances.He's just gotta go.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 10:32:59 AM
Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Ranieri?
Post by: Paul.S on July 24, 2023, 10:43:45 AM
Post by: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 10:47:14 AM
Monchi ?Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Dan Bardell?
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 10:49:02 AM
Post by: frank black on July 24, 2023, 10:50:05 AM
Monchi ?Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Indeed. He’s a car crash keeper
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2023, 11:16:06 AM
Shite, that's not good for us, if Monchi has some 'investment' in the player.Monchi ?Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Indeed. He’s a car crash keeper
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 24, 2023, 11:38:58 AM
I suspect the African car reverser would be an upgrade.Monchi ?Sheffield United fans didn't like him at all. Everton fans didn't like him at all.
And now we don't like him at all.
However, to sign him we must have done some homework? I guess his underlying stats must be better than what it appears?
Guess who signed him for Roma.
Indeed. He’s a car crash keeper
Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 11:43:02 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
Have we actually been linked with any goalies?
Getafe keeper (Soria) available on a free and he's pretty experienced and of decent level. Not sure if he's gone anywhere this summer.
Big problem with Olsen is he makes our defence nervous. Considering how solid we've looked there since March you don't want to create issue of the backline having no confidence in the keeper.
That's when simple things like backpasses and crosses become more complicated as they never give it a second thought when Emi is in goal.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 24, 2023, 11:48:21 AM
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2023, 11:51:25 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 12:07:35 PM
Have we actually been linked with any goalies?
Only one I've seen is that "Bono" guy, but anytime he was linked it was always talked about as a replacement for Martinez.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 24, 2023, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2023, 12:12:32 PM
Have we actually been linked with any goalies?
Only one I've seen is that "Bono" guy, but anytime he was linked it was always talked about as a replacement for Martinez.
Bonou wouldn't be cheap and would want first team games. Whoever we get in won't be a name and will be the type that goes under the radar.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2023, 12:32:57 PM
Post by: Bad English on July 24, 2023, 12:39:59 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 24, 2023, 12:39:59 PM
On a separate note, during the Philadelphia punathon in the pre season thread last night, I was annoyed that no one even acknowledged my a giant clothes peg would be more effective in goal than Olsen. Just sayin' like. Yet a few of us were quickly pulled up for not sticking to the Philadelphia cheese puns as opposed to just generic cheese puns.
Take it from somebody who knows through bitter experience, if they didn't laugh the first time it's not because they didn't hear it. Relitigating it a day later ain't a great look!
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 24, 2023, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2023, 12:51:18 PM
On a separate note, during the Philadelphia punathon in the pre season thread last night, I was annoyed that no one even acknowledged my a giant clothes peg would be more effective in goal than Olsen. Just sayin' like. Yet a few of us were quickly pulled up for not sticking to the Philadelphia cheese puns as opposed to just generic cheese puns.
Take it from somebody who knows through bitter experience, if they didn't laugh the first time it's not because they didn't hear it. Relitigating it a day later ain't a great look!
Well yes. I was bloody annoyed though - it was past 1 in the morning as well.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 01:07:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 01:10:33 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 01:11:46 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on July 24, 2023, 01:16:21 PM
His positioning is shit, can't kick etc. Stealing a living.
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2023, 01:20:27 PM
Olsen isn’t a bad shot stopper. And he’s not shit at everything. But he gives the defence no confidence at all if the ball comes to him or back to him on the ground. He panics almost immediately and genuinely cannot remember a Villa keeper so inept at simple clearances. Or just having the composure to slow things down and pass things out to a free player IN THE SAME KIT. It’s dreadful to watch at times. I’m sure there is a team out there where the requirement isn’t to play the ball out as we ask out keepers to do where he will do just fine.
He's been shit just about everywhere he's been though, and everybody has been delighted to see the back of him, so it's not just Emery asking him to do stuff he can't. He IS a bad shot stopper, and he IS shit at everything. Well, he might be a good gardener or chef, but he's fucking useless at every facet of being a keeper.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 01:26:15 PM
That pass out to their player last night, he wasn't under any undue pressure, and seemed to have all the time in the world. And then bang, straight to a Newcastle player in acres of space. Truly pathetic.He did it twice ! No one off!
Post by: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 01:28:25 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 01:30:10 PM
Olsen isn’t a bad shot stopper. And he’s not shit at everything. But he gives the defence no confidence at all if the ball comes to him or back to him on the ground. He panics almost immediately and genuinely cannot remember a Villa keeper so inept at simple clearances. Or just having the composure to slow things down and pass things out to a free player IN THE SAME KIT. It’s dreadful to watch at times. I’m sure there is a team out there where the requirement isn’t to play the ball out as we ask out keepers to do where he will do just fine.
He's been shit just about everywhere he's been though, and everybody has been delighted to see the back of him, so it's not just Emery asking him to do stuff he can't. He IS a bad shot stopper, and he IS shit at everything. Well, he might be a good gardener or chef, but he's fucking useless at every facet of being a keeper.
Now, come on... his left and right hand gloves were clearly on his correct hands, and he managed to get his head through the neck hole of his shirt in the end.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 01:32:13 PM
Mister E and others!A keeper who can play out from the back and feels at ease with the ball at his feet is needed.AND
While I don't believe Olsen is completely inept like others xhoose to believe and rant about , as he has shown some ability at Villa and in his career in goalkeeping, he is not a good fit for our style of play. That's the main issue for me and Emery.
Olsen has demonstrated goalkeeping skills, in particular he performed well against Spurs and Man City making good saves and can easily be competent in goal against minnows of qualifying round of Europe as he's unlikely to even touch the ball
He can stay on as an experienced head for the sqaud and 3 gk aspeect but it's necessary to bring in a natural goalie like a South American or Spaniard who is at ease playing it out as our chief reserve.
Older Goalkeepers from Scandinavia, like Olsen, lack the natural footballing skill to distribute the ball and haven't been taught to play this way when he was developing so he's a lost cause for that hopeVs Newcastle summer series.These are a little contradictory, Footy, to say the least.
Dear oh dear oh dear.
To be fair Olsen at first had improved and playing the ball out correctly, but after conceding he lost all confidence and his passing caused it to twice straight to Newcastle players with bad distribution.
Need to really consider replacing him with a stronger option.
From all the scouting you've done, which back-up keeper-options do you favour?
Give Filip Marschall a chance.
Scouting will take place for others to come in but I believe that rookie Marshall should be given a chance in the summer series.
Up until 2017, he was a defender then switched to goalkeeping.
Despite being only 20, he is skilled at playing with the ball at his feet.
Although I suppose older backup is required, this young keeper is a promising prospect.
Initially he was playing centre-back for Cambridge City Under-14s and hadn’t ever considered going in goal.
It was only when the youth team’s goalkeeper sustained an injury before a friendly against their Liverpool counterparts that everything changed.
With the coach looking for a volunteer to step in, Marschall stuck his hand up and then produced a performance that left officials from the opposition team purring. The academy staff from Liverpool were so impressed by the quality of his handling and kicking they asked for his name at the final whistle!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
On a separate note, during the Philadelphia punathon in the pre season thread last night, I was annoyed that no one even acknowledged my a giant clothes peg would be more effective in goal than Olsen. Just sayin' like. Yet a few of us were quickly pulled up for not sticking to the Philadelphia cheese puns as opposed to just generic cheese puns.
Take it from somebody who knows through bitter experience, if they didn't laugh the first time it's not because they didn't hear it. Relitigating it a day later ain't a great look!
I was pissed off that my 11-year-old son’s razor sharp wit drew no comment this morning.
“Olsen is the worst player to have a statue at Villa Park, because when he plays he is one”.
And I don’t want any ‘maybe he can’t draw wheelchairs’ type comments either.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 24, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
Come and be #2 to the best keeper in the world who plays every game.
You have to be patient and happy doing next to nothing but when called upon you have to be a world beater.
We need someone who is old (patience and experience) or young (like one of our promising kids) to learn
An actual regular keeper is not going to come to do nothing
Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:19:43 PM
It is such a hard position to fill
Come and be #2 to the best keeper in the world who plays every game.
You have to be patient and happy doing next to nothing but when called upon you have to be a world beater.
We need someone who is old (patience and experience) or young (like one of our promising kids) to learn
An actual regular keeper is not going to come to do nothing
I think we need both. An older experienced player who is better than Olsen, who would be happy to get the odd game here and there, and then a younger player who learns from both senior keepers, but will be ready in a season or two to make the step up. We've sent one young lad on loan, and have another on the preseason tour. You'd hope one of them will come good in the next season or two. But we need someone else in to do the business in the meantime though.
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Post by: Pete3206 on July 24, 2023, 08:19:47 PM
Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2023, 08:52:45 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2023, 08:59:11 PM
Offer a fortune to Heaton or Carson to come and save us from inevtitable cup embarrassment
We can't offer them the almost-guaranteed chance of medals.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 09:00:28 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 24, 2023, 09:00:46 PM
Did Monchi buy him at Roma?Yes...
Post by: Pete3206 on July 24, 2023, 09:07:50 PM
Offer a fortune to Heaton or Carson to come and save us from inevtitable cup embarrassment
We can't offer them the almost-guaranteed chance of medals.
I know. It was a flippant comment, but a desperate plea for someone to do something about the situation. We're ready for a good season, but an injury to Martinez would be bad. Really bad
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 24, 2023, 09:08:43 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
Offer a fortune to Heaton or Carson to come and save us from inevtitable cup embarrassment
We can't offer them the almost-guaranteed chance of medals.
I know. It was a flippant comment, but a desperate plea for someone to do something about the situation. We're ready for a good season, but an injury to Martinez would be bad. Really bad
Indeed, but as with many things we're caught between two stools. We're ambitious enough to need quality in reserve but not at the level where we can offer a place on the bench at a cup final or in the Champions League.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2023, 09:23:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2023, 11:26:43 PM
Offer a fortune to Heaton or Carson to come and save us from inevtitable cup embarrassment
We can't offer them the almost-guaranteed chance of medals.
I know. It was a flippant comment, but a desperate plea for someone to do something about the situation. We're ready for a good season, but an injury to Martinez would be bad. Really bad
Indeed, but as with many things we're caught between two stools. We're ambitious enough to need quality in reserve but not at the level where we can offer a place on the bench at a cup final or in the Champions League.
We should have lots of cup games this season with European football so I think we need to guarantee the incoming keeper all Cup games.
No to absolute duds like Heaton and Carson, both were average at best when they were with us. Areola at West Ham isn't a dud and that's the level we should be aiming for.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 08:20:51 AM
Sam Johnstone, no 2 at Palace so…
Just to keep updated on that one Johnstone is very much number one at Palace for this season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 08:27:53 AM
Well if you're having a conversation like this and wanted to go down the route of offering fortunes:Offer a fortune to Heaton or Carson to come and save us from inevtitable cup embarrassment
We can't offer them the almost-guaranteed chance of medals.
I know. It was a flippant comment, but a desperate plea for someone to do something about the situation. We're ready for a good season, but an injury to Martinez would be bad. Really bad
Spanish-speaking Keylor Navas would be a great choice as an experienced back up.
Has the ability to play the Emery way and a proven winner.
Brilliant at Forest last season.
Post by: Holte Antipode on July 26, 2023, 08:56:38 AM
Areola at West Ham isn't a dud and that's the level we should be aiming for.
May be no dud, but can be a bit of a tit at times.
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2023, 09:02:01 AM
Indeed, but as with many things we're caught between two stools. We're ambitious enough to need quality in reserve but not at the level where we can offer a place on the bench at a cup final or in the Champions League.
That is true but I refuse to believe there's not a keeper out there who would come who isn't a huge upgrade on Olsen. When the lower league club you're buying a player from are saying he's shit and good riddance, it's probably a player you should swerve.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 26, 2023, 10:05:03 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2023, 10:19:30 AM
Offer a fortune to Heaton or Carson to come and save us from inevtitable cup embarrassment
We can't offer them the almost-guaranteed chance of medals.
I know. It was a flippant comment, but a desperate plea for someone to do something about the situation. We're ready for a good season, but an injury to Martinez would be bad. Really bad
Indeed, but as with many things we're caught between two stools. We're ambitious enough to need quality in reserve but not at the level where we can offer a place on the bench at a cup final or in the Champions League.
I think it's fair to guess that the number 2 keeper might play some if not all of the early stage Conference games and the domestic cup games. Think that would be enough of an attraction for quite a few.
Post by: VillaTim on July 26, 2023, 10:22:38 AM
To be honest Jed Steer would have been a better back up, and i'd say we've had quite a few down the years that have been a lot better than Olsen, even when we've not been in any better position than now.Yep, we should have kept Steer and got shot of Olsen.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 26, 2023, 11:28:06 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2023, 11:58:37 AM
Fans need to make their feelings known about this, If we go into the season with robin as our no.2 we are in big trouble
What do you suggest? A large scale protest down Trinity Road?
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2023, 11:59:34 AM
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2023, 12:04:29 PM
Fans need to make their feelings known about this, If we go into the season with robin as our no.2 we are in big trouble
Why not go get an ice cream?
Post by: purpletrousers on July 26, 2023, 12:26:23 PM
Fans need to make their feelings known about this, If we go into the season with robin as our no.2 we are in big trouble
Why not go get an ice cream?
Bit of a risk of meltdown?
(https://i.ibb.co/jRkKzPr/IMG-1426.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jRkKzPr)
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2023, 12:29:32 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 12:39:00 PM
Fans need to make their feelings known about this, If we go into the season with robin as our no.2 we are in big trouble
Didn't do Batman any harm.
Post by: Bad English on July 26, 2023, 02:33:24 PM
Everyone to wear Miley Cyrus type pointy-finger foam mousse gloves with £ signs on them.Fans need to make their feelings known about this, If we go into the season with robin as our no.2 we are in big trouble
What do you suggest? A large scale protest down Trinity Road?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 26, 2023, 03:58:56 PM
Fans need to make their feelings known about this, If we go into the season with robin as our no.2 we are in big trouble
In Batman we trust.
Post by: VillaTim on July 26, 2023, 05:43:13 PM
Post by: not3bad on July 30, 2023, 08:37:47 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/unai-emery-confirms-stance-aston-27422669
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 30, 2023, 08:52:07 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 30, 2023, 09:01:04 AM
Even if Emery trusts Olsen the age profile of our keepers isn't great. I know they generally can play longer than outfield players, but both of them are in their 30s. Hopefully the lad gone on loan has a great season and can make the step up to number 2 sooner rather than later.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 30, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 30, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 30, 2023, 09:27:58 AM
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2023, 09:28:10 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
Post by: Ian. on July 30, 2023, 09:37:40 AM
Post by: john e on July 30, 2023, 09:40:08 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2023, 09:42:16 AM
I don’t know what more to say.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 30, 2023, 10:05:55 AM
Post by: Ian. on July 30, 2023, 10:13:08 AM
Post by: john e on July 30, 2023, 10:13:28 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 30, 2023, 10:18:55 AM
Worst thing is he’ll be playing plenty of games in the cup competitions
Let's hope it is plenty, and not just two.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2023, 10:20:58 AM
Worst thing is he’ll be playing plenty of games in the cup competitionswe won't be winning a cup then.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2023, 10:29:20 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 30, 2023, 10:42:17 AM
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 10:51:22 AM
Post by: dorsetvillian on July 30, 2023, 11:48:45 AM
Post by: Lescottstweets on July 30, 2023, 12:06:17 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 12:37:04 PM
Post by: john e on July 30, 2023, 12:52:42 PM
Post by: not3bad on July 30, 2023, 01:01:20 PM
Who's the young goalkeeper we have to be ready with?
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 01:07:21 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 30, 2023, 01:37:55 PM
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2023, 02:10:41 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 30, 2023, 02:40:56 PM
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 30, 2023, 02:49:24 PM
Has Oliwier Zych been sent out on loan?
I don't think so. He was playing for Poland in the under 19s Euro this summer.
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2023, 03:02:59 PM
Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 03:08:44 PM
Sinisalo?Bless you
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2023, 03:09:56 PM
Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 03:21:30 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2023, 03:22:28 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 30, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
Sinisalo?
Gone out on loan to Exeter for the season...
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2023, 04:09:56 PM
Sinisalo?
Gone out on loan to Exeter for the season...
Ah. Thank you. Marschall then.
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 04:15:26 PM
Olsen as our 2nd is mind-boggingly baffling.OK, how many PL teams have a better number 2?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 30, 2023, 04:18:07 PM
Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 04:19:57 PM
19Olsen as our 2nd is mind-boggingly baffling.OK, how many PL teams have a better number 2?
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2023, 04:20:09 PM
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2023, 04:20:51 PM
Olsen as our 2nd is mind-boggingly baffling.OK, how many PL teams have a better number 2?
All of them.
Post by: frank black on July 30, 2023, 04:21:20 PM
Olsen as our 2nd is mind-boggingly baffling.OK, how many PL teams have a better number 2?
Olsen as our 2nd is mind-boggingly baffling.OK, how many PL teams have a better number 2?
I suspect those challenging at the right end of the table and cups must have.
Olsen is atrocious
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2023, 04:21:22 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2023, 04:26:55 PM
What more can you expect in a backup to the world’s best goalkeeper ?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 30, 2023, 04:34:05 PM
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 04:36:08 PM
All of them.Name them (and I bet you can't) and also provide some stats to back up your assertion?
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2023, 04:36:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 04:37:50 PM
I suspect those challenging at the right end of the table and cups must have.Who exactly, other than Abucity? ?
Post by: malckennedy on July 30, 2023, 04:39:09 PM
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2023, 04:43:31 PM
Bournemouth
Brentford
Brighton
Burnley
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Everton
Fulham
Liverpool
Luton
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle
Nottingham Forest
Sheffield United
Tottenham
West Ham
Wolves
Post by: dekko on July 30, 2023, 04:50:09 PM
Do you genuinely think that Emery is just going to come out and say 'Robin's a bit crap really but unfortunately we're not likely to be able to sign a backup so sadly we're stuck with the big lump'? Of course not, he'll back him, because hes our keeper until he isnt, and digging him out in public will do nothing but harm for no gain.
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 05:16:57 PM
Runar Runarsson Arsenal
Darren Randolph Bournemouth
Thomas Strakosha Brentford
Jason Steele Brighton
Denis Franchi Burnley
Marcus Bettinelli Chelsea
Vicente Guaita Palace
Joao Virginia Everton
Marek Rodak Fulham
Adrian Liverpool
Matt Macey Luton
Ortega Man city
Tom Heaton manu
Martin Dubravka Newcastle
Wayne Hennessey Forest
Adam Davies Sheff Utd
Fraser Forster Spurs
Joseph Anang West Ham
Matija Sarkic Wolves
Post by: Gareth on July 30, 2023, 05:17:49 PM
C’mon….the keeper rated Sweden’s best for summit like seven seasons running.
What more can you expect in a backup to the world’s best goalkeeper ?
One without concrete feet
Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2023, 05:19:47 PM
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2023, 05:43:09 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2023, 06:06:22 PM
He looks better than the lad in pink for Brentford.
He's going to be their no.1, lol.
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2023, 06:08:37 PM
Arsenal Man City Newcastle Manure Brighton spurs Chelsea palace Brentford Everton to name a few.Arsenal? Brighton? Chelsea? Palace? Brentford? Everton? You are kidding!
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2023, 07:33:09 PM
I'd rather not have Olsen either but honestly some posters here are flapping more than he does.
Do you genuinely think that Emery is just going to come out and say 'Robin's a bit crap really but unfortunately we're not likely to be able to sign a backup so sadly we're stuck with the big lump'? Of course not, he'll back him, because hes our keeper until he isnt, and digging him out in public will do nothing but harm for no gain.
Agree
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2023, 09:21:59 AM
I sort of agree with Aftab, other than I think the biggest problem is that whilst Olsen isn't as bad as he's made out to be, he's also very poor with the ball at his feet.
He is as bad as he's made out though, that's the inescapable truth. Look at that game the other day. A clearance straight to an opposition player in acres of space, and then parries a shot back into the danger area for an easy goal. He doesn't command his area, and his team mates have no confidence in him. He's conceded a huge amount of poor goals in the few games he's played. There's not one area of the game that you could say he's any good at. Being honest, I know next to nothing about other Premier League reserve goalies, but I don't really care. It's blindingly obvious that Olsen isn't good enough for us, especially now we might actually need the number two a bit more regularly.
Post by: Axl Rose on July 31, 2023, 09:29:42 AM
Anyone that thinks otherwise, well...yeah, he's absymal
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 31, 2023, 09:30:06 AM
Post by: Nev on July 31, 2023, 09:39:10 AM
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2023, 09:47:07 AM
Here is list that should stop all glib comments. Which one of these gems other than 2 or 3 would you have instead og Olsen? ...I'd take Adrian, Dubravka, Forster, Heaton, Guaita and Ortega before Olsen. And I don't know enough about the others. As others have said, it's not just that he's limited and seemingly inspires little confidence amongst his defenders; it's also that he's been crap at Everton and SheffU previously.
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2023, 09:51:36 AM
Here is list that should stop all glib comments. Which one of these gems other than 2 or 3 would you have instead og Olsen? ...I'd take Adrian, Dubravka, Forster, Heaton, Guaita and Ortega before Olsen. And I don't know enough about the others. As others have said, it's not just that he's limited and seemingly inspires little confidence amongst his defenders; it's also that he's been crap at Everton and SheffU previously.
Whichever of Areola or Fabianski is considered to be second-choice too.
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2023, 10:15:33 AM
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 10:46:42 AM
I sort of agree with Aftab, other than I think the biggest problem is that whilst Olsen isn't as bad as he's made out to be, he's also very poor with the ball at his feet.
He is as bad as he's made out though, that's the inescapable truth. Look at that game the other day. A clearance straight to an opposition player in acres of space, and then parries a shot back into the danger area for an easy goal. He doesn't command his area, and his team mates have no confidence in him. He's conceded a huge amount of poor goals in the few games he's played. There's not one area of the game that you could say he's any good at. Being honest, I know next to nothing about other Premier League reserve goalies, but I don't really care. It's blindingly obvious that Olsen isn't good enough for us, especially now we might actually need the number two a bit more regularly.
I really don't think he is, take comments like this:
I have the confidence to say that in 40 years of watching football, Olsen is the worst keeper I have seen in terms of the basics of the art. He doesn't make terrible and obvious mistakes it's just that everything he does is poor from positioning to distribution and everything in between and the players in front of him know that, you can see it every time he plays.
Bunn was worse, Kalinic was worse, Nyland was worse, Gollini was no better.
I don't think he's good enough, he can't be the 'sweeper keeper' that Emi is and doesn't make up for it by being a top class traditional keeper but that doesn't mean it isn't over the top to claim he's the worst keeper we've had in 40 years or that he's the worst reserve keeper in the league.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2023, 10:52:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on July 31, 2023, 10:53:04 AM
Not really anything to do with Olsen, but keeper related. Ramsdale had a great season with Arsenal, but now apparently they're going to try to sign Raya from Brentford. No messing around, no sentimentality.
Yeah, but Ramsdale is no Martinez.
Olsen gives me the jitters too, but he's our back up and won't be needed a huge amount you'd hope.
I think I'd take three others from that list; Dubravka, Ortega, and at a stretch, Forster. But the reality is that a keeper is the one place that isn't generally up for grabs in a team.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 31, 2023, 10:53:30 AM
I have the confidence to say that in 40 years of watching football, Olsen is the worst keeper I have seen in terms of the basics of the art. He doesn't make terrible and obvious mistakes it's just that everything he does is poor from positioning to distribution and everything in between and the players in front of him know that, you can see it every time he plays.
He's not very good but better than Lovre Kalinić who was atrocious and now back in Croatia with Hadjul Split who are in the European Conference League I think. Hope our paths cross.
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
Not really anything to do with Olsen, but keeper related. Ramsdale had a great season with Arsenal, but now apparently they're going to try to sign Raya from Brentford. No messing around, no sentimentality.
Yeah, but Ramsdale is no Martinez.
Olsen gives me the jitters too, but he's our back up and won't be needed a huge amount you'd hope.
I think I'd take three others from that list; Dubravka, Ortega, and at a stretch, Forster. But the reality is that a keeper is the one place that isn't generally up for grabs in a team.
I'd take Steele because, of that entire list, he's the one I've seen do the non-traditional stuff well, and that's the big loss when we don't have Emi. He's nowhere near as good a shot-stopper and doesn't have the command of the box but it would mean our playstyle could be more consistent whoever was in goal.
Post by: FatSam on July 31, 2023, 10:59:56 AM
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2023, 11:02:50 AM
Not really anything to do with Olsen, but keeper related. Ramsdale had a great season with Arsenal, but now apparently they're going to try to sign Raya from Brentford. No messing around, no sentimentality.
Yeah, but Ramsdale is no Martinez.
Olsen gives me the jitters too, but he's our back up and won't be needed a huge amount you'd hope.
I think I'd take three others from that list; Dubravka, Ortega, and at a stretch, Forster. But the reality is that a keeper is the one place that isn't generally up for grabs in a team.
I'd take Steele because, of that entire list, he's the one I've seen do the non-traditional stuff well, and that's the big loss when we don't have Emi. He's nowhere near as good a shot-stopper and doesn't have the command of the box but it would mean our playstyle could be more consistent whoever was in goal.
At time of writing though, he's their first-choice isn't he? Played pretty much the whole season once De Zerbi came in.
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 11:05:33 AM
Not really anything to do with Olsen, but keeper related. Ramsdale had a great season with Arsenal, but now apparently they're going to try to sign Raya from Brentford. No messing around, no sentimentality.
Yeah, but Ramsdale is no Martinez.
Olsen gives me the jitters too, but he's our back up and won't be needed a huge amount you'd hope.
I think I'd take three others from that list; Dubravka, Ortega, and at a stretch, Forster. But the reality is that a keeper is the one place that isn't generally up for grabs in a team.
I'd take Steele because, of that entire list, he's the one I've seen do the non-traditional stuff well, and that's the big loss when we don't have Emi. He's nowhere near as good a shot-stopper and doesn't have the command of the box but it would mean our playstyle could be more consistent whoever was in goal.
At time of writing though, he's their first-choice isn't he? Played pretty much the whole season once De Zerbi came in.
I know, but he was on the list.
Post by: dave shelley on July 31, 2023, 12:37:35 PM
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2023, 12:48:26 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 12:50:56 PM
I'd say Nyland was better than Olsen. Olsen has also got the advantage of playing behind the best team we've had in 40 years. Nyland played most of his games with the likes of Hutton, Elmo and Neil Taylor etc. But any comparisons aren't really the point. Olsen isn't good enough, and that's really the long and the short of it. If we're going to guarantee cup games etc to the back up, then the back up needs to be much better than someone who wasn't thought good enough for a Championship side.
I said he's not good enough so we agree on that, I just think some of the comments about him are way over the top.
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2023, 12:58:21 PM
I'd say Nyland was better than Olsen. Olsen has also got the advantage of playing behind the best team we've had in 40 years. Nyland played most of his games with the likes of Hutton, Elmo and Neil Taylor etc. But any comparisons aren't really the point. Olsen isn't good enough, and that's really the long and the short of it. If we're going to guarantee cup games etc to the back up, then the back up needs to be much better than someone who wasn't thought good enough for a Championship side.
I said he's not good enough so we agree on that, I just think some of the comments about him are way over the top.
They're not really though, are they? He's been terrible, and if you don't agree he's our worst keeper, well he certainly belongs in the conversation. And the drop off in quality from number one to two is terrifying, frankly. Even if you ignore his general lack of ability, it's the fact that he's not remotely comfortable with the possession based play that Martinez gives us that is most damning. And having trained for the best part of a year with Emery and the team and he still can't remotely do it, what are the chances of him learning it at his age?
Post by: john e on July 31, 2023, 02:20:33 PM
His record is abysmal. The only time he has a decent game is when he’s got nothing to do.
When he has been required to do something he’s cost us games with goalkeeping being the most important position on the pitch
He is a total liability, the managers blindness to him will cost us dearly
I think the total opposite from Paul e I think we’ve been easy on him.
He’s been getting away with it people making excuses for him with stuff like ‘ trust in Uni’ and ‘ he’s not as bad as everyone thinks’
Yeah he is he’s bloody rubbish
It’s alright for Emery he’s been winning cups for the last 10 years
We’ve won fuck all for 27 years and if Olsen plays in many of the games we’ve got zero chance of changing that
Post by: FatSam on July 31, 2023, 03:59:03 PM
I'd say Nyland was better than Olsen. Olsen has also got the advantage of playing behind the best team we've had in 40 years. Nyland played most of his games with the likes of Hutton, Elmo and Neil Taylor etc. But any comparisons aren't really the point. Olsen isn't good enough, and that's really the long and the short of it. If we're going to guarantee cup games etc to the back up, then the back up needs to be much better than someone who wasn't thought good enough for a Championship side.I’d agree with this. Nyland was on the cusp of being a decent keeper. His distribution always was pretty good. He was young at the time as well, so I have a feeling that Big Cuts could have improved him further. Olsen is 33, so not miraculously going to improve.
Post by: trinityoap on July 31, 2023, 05:24:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 05:46:57 PM
My main concern about him (apart from the obvious fact that he is simply not good enough) is the effect he has on our defence. They clearly have no confidence in him so seem to have to adjust the way they play to try to eliminate him from their game plan. He does not command his area, his distribution is erratic and with the ball at his feet he appears to have no self confidence which I am afraid accurately reflects his ability. I can understand why Emery does not say publicly that we are looking for a new back up goalie but I cannot believe he intends to go into a new season without one.
I don't know if it's no confidence in him or if it's that they've been told not to go back to him as quickly as they do with Emi but I agree, that's a much bigger problem than his overall ability as a shot stopper, etc. That's all I'm really getting at with saying people are over the top with him. He's not capable of doing the stuff emi does, and there's no shame in that, only a handful of keepers in the world are, but it's the scale we judge him on because it's what we're used to.
We need to replace him but more because of the style thing than his overall ability, which would be fine for teams looking for an experienced backup who don't expect the keeper to do more than kick the ball up the pitch.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 01, 2023, 09:58:02 AM
We need a competent 2nd choice if we're serious about Europe and domestics
Post by: VillaTim on August 01, 2023, 10:04:38 AM
Post by: brontebilly on August 01, 2023, 10:27:51 AM
Not really anything to do with Olsen, but keeper related. Ramsdale had a great season with Arsenal, but now apparently they're going to try to sign Raya from Brentford. No messing around, no sentimentality.
Yeah, but Ramsdale is no Martinez.
Olsen gives me the jitters too, but he's our back up and won't be needed a huge amount you'd hope.
I think I'd take three others from that list; Dubravka, Ortega, and at a stretch, Forster. But the reality is that a keeper is the one place that isn't generally up for grabs in a team.
Forster is absolutely useless. Not Olsen bad but at PL level he has always been out of his depth. Reminds me of Kalinic actually, big lump but no agility and limited bravery too.
Dubravka would be fine as backup but I'd prefer if we got someone with a bit of potential comfortable with ball at their feet. To do that we have to guarantee them all cup games.
Post by: Drummond on August 01, 2023, 11:02:27 AM
The season hasn't even started and I've had a few weird dreams of seeing him kick it to opposition players in front of the Holte End .
We need a competent 2nd choice if we're serious about Europe and domestics
Was the ground full too?
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2023, 11:03:52 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2023, 11:58:29 AM
He's got tattoos too. The only good goalie with tattoos is Ederson. Maybe, we should just say that to Olsen, and see if he gets upset and offers to leave.
(https://i.ibb.co/cD5pydy/IMG-0046.webp) (https://ibb.co/cD5pydy)
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2023, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
Next time he plays maybe we rally round and actually support the guy - crazy idea i know but it might have a positive effect
Post by: Risso on August 01, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
Im not surprised if Olsens confidence is shot - if he reads this site then he could be suicidal!
Next time he plays maybe we rally round and actually support the guy - crazy idea i know but it might have a positive effect
Oh do leave it out.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2023, 04:19:24 PM
Im not surprised if Olsens confidence is shot - if he reads this site then he could be suicidal!
Next time he plays maybe we rally round and actually support the guy - crazy idea i know but it might have a positive effect
he's a professional footballer. If he cannot do the basics he should expect criticism. Fans shouldn't need to help him control and pass a football.
Post by: VillaTim on August 01, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
Im not surprised if Olsens confidence is shot - if he reads this site then he could be suicidal!;D
Next time he plays maybe we rally round and actually support the guy - crazy idea i know but it might have a positive effect
Post by: FatSam on August 01, 2023, 04:30:05 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 01, 2023, 04:43:34 PM
If no new keeper comes in, then it is what it is, and we definitely should support him during games.I've never heard him disrespected at games or boo'd despite his monumental fuck ups. I might have missed any booing v Stevenage as when he was beaten on his near post i calmly got up and walked out
Post by: Gareth on August 01, 2023, 04:49:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2023, 07:51:23 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 01, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
Speaking of back up keepers, Arsenal are about to lash out £30m+ on Raya from Brentford.I'd take Ramsdale if he goes up for sale , be a great backup keeper
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2023, 07:54:08 PM
Speaking of back up keepers, Arsenal are about to lash out £30m+ on Raya from Brentford.I'd take Ramsdale if he goes up for sale , be a great backup keeper
Is there any reason he'd prefer our bench to Arsenal's bench?
Post by: Bad English on August 01, 2023, 08:06:56 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 01, 2023, 08:13:55 PM
Speaking of back up keepers, Arsenal are about to lash out £30m+ on Raya from Brentford.
Very harsh on Ramsdale if true. Arsenal trying to buy the title.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 01, 2023, 08:19:06 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2023, 08:40:13 PM
Isn’t it like us? They’re back in the CL so have to rotate on all fronts? Plus I thought Ramsdale has started to look increasingly dodgy. (But still better than Olsen).
Their squad is too big already though, one of the more bloated squads in the league.
Post by: brontebilly on August 01, 2023, 08:58:40 PM
Isn’t it like us? They’re back in the CL so have to rotate on all fronts? Plus I thought Ramsdale has started to look increasingly dodgy. (But still better than Olsen).
I don't particularly rate Ramsdale but thought he had a very solid season in the main for them. Seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction to bring in Raya. Not sure you can keep two keepers like that happy.
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2023, 09:34:56 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 01, 2023, 09:52:35 PM
Far too much fuss over reserve keeper on here. Just play Martinez in every game. None of this silly nonsense changing keepers for cup games. Problem solved.
Correct.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2023, 09:59:30 PM
Far too much fuss over reserve keeper on here. Just play Martinez in every game. None of this silly nonsense changing keepers for cup games. Problem solved.
Correct.
I agree, but he’s not indestructible.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 01, 2023, 10:50:05 PM
Isn’t it like us? They’re back in the CL so have to rotate on all fronts? Plus I thought Ramsdale has started to look increasingly dodgy. (But still better than Olsen).
Think the general feeling is that they want a keeper who is better with his feet.
Post by: john e on August 02, 2023, 08:43:43 AM
Far too much fuss over reserve keeper on here. Just play Martinez in every game. None of this silly nonsense changing keepers for cup games. Problem solved.
I agree, but he won’t do it
We’ll see Olsen wobbled out in some of the cup games, especially the early ones
We could have enough to scrape by in most of those games but we thought that against Stevenage
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2023, 08:57:03 AM
Far too much fuss over reserve keeper on here. Just play Martinez in every game. None of this silly nonsense changing keepers for cup games. Problem solved.
I agree, but he won’t do it
We’ll see Olsen wobbled out in some of the cup games, especially the early ones
We could have enough to scrape by in most of those games but we thought that against Stevenage
I agree as well and in an ideal world, Martínez gets to play every game but I suppose he'll want Olsen to get games to get used to how he wants his keepers to play, especially if worst comes to the worst.
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2023, 10:36:28 AM
But:
- Martinez plays for Argentina. I don't what their international schedule is this year, but I'd guess he'll be missing some games at least due to travel etc.
- They can of course, get an injury at any time, see Tom Heaton
- We want to do well in the cup competitions and Europe this season
Olsen's just not up to the job. It surely can't be that hard to find a reserve who's not as good as Emi, but is better than Olsen?
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 02, 2023, 11:33:21 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 02, 2023, 12:46:24 PM
I would hazard a guess that this will happen at least once this season
Post by: VillaTim on August 02, 2023, 01:14:49 PM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 08:26:49 PM
What's he done now?
Played Lazio's best assist of the night.
Post by: AV84 on August 03, 2023, 08:38:55 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 08:42:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 08:43:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 08:45:50 PM
“Ok except for the shocking error” not what you like to hear about a keeper, mind.
I agree, I think one of the biggest problems he has now is, like Mings a couple of years ago, his mistakes get highlighted and overshadow everything else.
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 08:47:57 PM
“Ok except for the shocking error” not what you like to hear about a keeper, mind.
I agree, I think one of the biggest problems he has now is, like Mings a couple of years ago, his mistakes get highlighted and overshadow everything else.
But you do that in the Premier League, and they're going to get slotted away. Lazio have been shit up front, in any case.
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 08:50:11 PM
“Ok except for the shocking error” not what you like to hear about a keeper, mind.
I agree, I think one of the biggest problems he has now is, like Mings a couple of years ago, his mistakes get highlighted and overshadow everything else.
But you do that in the Premier League, and they're going to get slotted away. Lazio have been shit up front, in any case.
I know, I just feel a bit sorry for him when he's actually had a decent game otherwise.
Post by: Beard82 on August 03, 2023, 08:50:22 PM
Hes Nyland levels of shite
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 09:04:41 PM
What's he done now?
Played Lazio's best assist of the night.
If he kept a clean sheet, they can't have managed any assists!
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:11:46 AM
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 04, 2023, 11:19:04 AM
Other than that, I am in the camp that would like an upgrade but then whoever is behind Martinez is always going to suffer in comparison. I'd also say that no matter how bad Olsen has been so far he's not even in the worst 3 keepers we've had in the last 10 years, never mind worst ever.
Post by: AV84 on August 04, 2023, 11:26:15 AM
If there's even 2 defenders who will play 90% of their games with Olsen in goal.... couldn't we just tweak things slightly? While still having Olsen work on playing the preferred way?
I know it wouldn't solve the problem of if/when Martinez isn't available, but it might help Olsen's confidence over time.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 04, 2023, 11:33:46 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2023, 12:44:21 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2023, 01:34:41 PM
Last night's one could have quite easily led to a goal or a penalty and all of a sudden we concede when we are looking comfortable.
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
He's clearly a decent shot stopper. It's perfectly possible the coaching team can improve his distribution and positioning, particularly if he gets a bit more gametime which he will this season. I'm still worried about him tbh, but other players have improved under Emery and I'm prepared to be proven wrong about Olsen.
I don't think he's even a decent shot stopper to be honest. He's just so slow in about every movement. I really don't want him as backup, think this is one Emery is getting badly wrong. Martinez gets an injury and we will know all about it.
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 04, 2023, 04:01:04 PM
If he's making these mistakes in matches, he's making them in training. Emery and his coaching staff must feel that they can improve his distribution in time. It's painful to watch but if Emery sees his as our number 2, there must be a reason. I think Emery's quite able to be ruthless when he needs to.
Exactly.
I don’t rate him at all, but he had a decent game last, albeit with not loads to do, but the defence was passing it back to him a lot, so he was expected to pass it around. I think its a little unfair to pick up on his one mistake last night and i have absolutely slated him in the past.
Post by: simboy on August 04, 2023, 04:24:27 PM
If he's making these mistakes in matches, he's making them in training. Emery and his coaching staff must feel that they can improve his distribution in time. It's painful to watch but if Emery sees his as our number 2, there must be a reason. I think Emery's quite able to be ruthless when he needs to.
We are clearly developing a "sweeper/keeper" approach. Emery has backed him publicly, saying we are not in the market for a second keeper. Martinez makes mistakes and his distribution has improved immeasurably since the Emery coaching team took over.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 07, 2023, 12:15:48 PM
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Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 06:06:43 PM
He made some interesting points about goalkeepers and the mindset of players who see themselves as a #1 keeper, and how its very difficult to keep two players like that happy, even at a big club. Funnily enough they also mentioned that Reya can play out from the back better than Ramsdale can and they reckon that's why Artetta has brought him in.
I just thought it was interesting in relation to our situation with Olsen. An obvious point Watson made was that as a goalkeeping coach he always wants to have as small a drop off in quality as possible between 1st and 2nd choice keepers to minimise potential disruption if #1 gets injured.
Obviously that's a problem we're faced with at the moment, but having one of the best keepers in the world as our #1 also makes it very difficult to keep the gap in quality as small as possible, and keep a second keeper of that quality happy.
I think we definitely need to upgrade Olsen, but I think its a position that we really need to get right, and I'm not sure it's going to happen this window.
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 08:20:36 PM
I was listening to Dave Watson talking to Ben Foster about Arsenal signing Reya and what that means for Ramsdale, and whether it was a good move from Artetta or not.
He made some interesting points about goalkeepers and the mindset of players who see themselves as a #1 keeper, and how its very difficult to keep two players like that happy, even at a big club. Funnily enough they also mentioned that Reya can play out from the back better than Ramsdale can and they reckon that's why Artetta has brought him in.
I just thought it was interesting in relation to our situation with Olsen. An obvious point Watson made was that as a goalkeeping coach he always wants to have as small a drop off in quality as possible between 1st and 2nd choice keepers to minimise potential disruption if #1 gets injured.
Obviously that's a problem we're faced with at the moment, but having one of the best keepers in the world as our #1 also makes it very difficult to keep the gap in quality as small as possible, and keep a second keeper of that quality happy.
I think we definitely need to upgrade Olsen, but I think its a position that we really need to get right, and I'm not sure it's going to happen this window.
The bold bit is why I think focusing on whether Olsen is good or shit is all a bit pointless. We're not going to get anyone remotely close to Emi in terms of overall quality so what we need is to find someone who doesn't mean how we play changes, and then accept that they're still going to be a step down in quality.
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 08:39:36 PM
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Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:29:25 PM
The Raya deal is a £3m loan deal with the option to buy next year for a further £27m. Great deal for Arsenal. Although I can't think of a time where a club has effectively had 2 number 1 goalkeepers. I would imagine one would become dominant and the other will end up looking elsewhere.
The thing I was watching where they were talking about Arsenal seemed to think that Artetta was planning on making Raya number 1 because he is better with the ball at his feet than Ramsdale, and that's how he wants to play this season. They made the point that Ramsdale has actually improved in that respect and would probably continue to improve with Raya there.
If Ramsdale plays cups and some Prem games around Champions League ties, and Raya plays Champions League and the majority of Prem games, they're both getting a fair few games this season. Beyond that though I can't see it working long term.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 09:31:05 PM
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 10:29:45 PM
Maybe the last time when Emi and Leno were at, ermmmmm, Arsenal!!
Except it didn't work, as like I said, one became frustrated and looked elsewhere for first team football.
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2023, 10:31:36 PM
The Raya deal is a £3m loan deal with the option to buy next year for a further £27m. Great deal for Arsenal. Although I can't think of a time where a club has effectively had 2 number 1 goalkeepers. I would imagine one would become dominant and the other will end up looking elsewhere.
The thing I was watching where they were talking about Arsenal seemed to think that Artetta was planning on making Raya number 1 because he is better with the ball at his feet than Ramsdale, and that's how he wants to play this season. They made the point that Ramsdale has actually improved in that respect and would probably continue to improve with Raya there.
If Ramsdale plays cups and some Prem games around Champions League ties, and Raya plays Champions League and the majority of Prem games, they're both getting a fair few games this season. Beyond that though I can't see it working long term.
Seems a very strange decision by Arsenal to me. It's like they are throwing money around at passing out Man City hoping it will stick, I dont understand the logic getting Havertz in to seemingly replace Xhaka either. If Raya was the perfect fit surely they could have got him in last summer at a fraction of the price Ramsdale was. Arteta has made a number of mistakes with goalkeepers before including selling us Martinez obviously. Two high profile No.1s wont work.
Post by: FatSam on August 09, 2023, 11:01:45 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
I was thinking about goalkeeping squad depth. 91-93 we had Spink, Sealey, Bosnich and Oakes on the books. That looks really strong, but probably isn’t actually that different to now, as at the time Spink and Sealey were both mid 30s, and Bosnich and Oakes were both around 20. Today Martinez and Olsen are the experienced players, and Marschall or Sinisalo or Zych are the inexperienced ones. Sealey and Spink were closer in quality than Martinez and Olsen, and obviously with hindsight we know that Bosnich turned out to be one of the best keepers around.The big issue is Emi and I are closer in quality that emi and Olsen
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 08:01:58 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 08:03:40 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 23, 2023, 08:11:16 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2023, 08:18:16 PM
He made an actual save! Pretty much straight at him but he still saved it.
and then came out and fumbled the catch from the corner.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2023, 08:18:52 PM
onwards and upwards
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:28:48 PM
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on August 23, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
Post by: nigel on August 23, 2023, 08:40:35 PM
Olsen did nothing wrong tonight mainly because he had little to do but you could see throughout the second half that the defence doesn’t trust him.
I saw no sign of that at all 🤷♂️
Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 08:54:56 PM
Olsen did nothing wrong tonight mainly because he had little to do but you could see throughout the second half that the defence doesn’t trust him.
Has Carlos or Torres ever played with Olsen before?
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 23, 2023, 09:02:27 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 23, 2023, 09:05:01 PM
No - there both professional footballers so wouldn’t have come across himOlsen did nothing wrong tonight mainly because he had little to do but you could see throughout the second half that the defence doesn’t trust him.
Has Carlos or Torres ever played with Olsen before?
Post by: VillaTim on August 23, 2023, 09:37:24 PM
There were a couple of times a CB had the ball back to goal & played a more difficult pass out to LB or RB rather than back to Olsen. Not a problem against Hibernian, but might be more of an issue against someone a tad stronger.One ball over the top that went into the box Olsen should have come for but stayed on his line which caused some panic
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 23, 2023, 11:25:09 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2023, 08:03:49 AM
Can someone remind me, who was our back up goalie to Jimmy Rimmer in 1980/81, the season we won the league?
A certain Mr Nigel Spink.
Post by: nigel on August 24, 2023, 08:05:29 AM
Can someone remind me, who was our back up goalie to Jimmy Rimmer in 1980/81, the season we won the league?
Nigel Spink
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 24, 2023, 10:09:01 AM
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 24, 2023, 10:38:23 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2023, 12:25:47 PM
Spink's debut was at Forest on Boxing Day 1979 at Forest. His second game was in the European Cup Final.
I was at it and we got done 5-0 I think it was and I thought he was shite! Wrong again as usual.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2023, 02:00:19 PM
I was wondering if it may have been Spink, but given that it wasn't until the final in May 1982 that he actually made his debut, I was thinking that he may not have been even second choice the season before.
Jimmy Rimmer has two European Cup winner medals despite having played 9 minutes in total.
Post by: manic-road on August 24, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Thought Olsen did OK when he came on. We are stuck with him so hopefully he can find some better form this season.
He will probably start against Hibs next week as it's pretty much a dead rubber but I don't expect to see much of him this season unless Emi is injured.
Post by: nick harper on August 24, 2023, 02:55:21 PM
Spink's debut was at Forest on Boxing Day 1979 at Forest. His second game was in the European Cup Final.
I was at it and we got done 5-0 I think it was and I thought he was shite! Wrong again as usual.
It was a 2-1 defeat. Gary Shaw scored for us, and scored a hat-trick at Bristol City the following week. Trevor Francis won another dubious penalty.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3568
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2023, 03:17:30 PM
Spink's debut was at Forest on Boxing Day 1979 at Forest. His second game was in the European Cup Final.
I was at it and we got done 5-0 I think it was and I thought he was shite! Wrong again as usual.
It was a 2-1 defeat. Gary Shaw scored for us, and scored a hat-trick at Bristol City the following week. Trevor Francis won another dubious penalty.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3568
You're correct, it must be the previous game against them when they did us 4-0 that I'm mixing it up with, I know I was at both but could have sworn Spink was in goal and the score was 5. I was at the Bristol City game the week after too. I think Saunders was going to hook Shaw at half time so the story goes.
Post by: MorrisNielson on August 24, 2023, 04:51:36 PM
I was wondering if it may have been Spink, but given that it wasn't until the final in May 1982 that he actually made his debut, I was thinking that he may not have been even second choice the season before.Spink replaced Findlay as second choice in December 1978. Former schoolboy international Mark Kendall would step up when Spink was out injured. These are his stats:
(https://i.ibb.co/mGdc2Dm/Spink-NP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mGdc2Dm)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 24, 2023, 05:03:14 PM
I was wondering if it may have been Spink, but given that it wasn't until the final in May 1982 that he actually made his debut, I was thinking that he may not have been even second choice the season before.Spink replaced Findlay as second choice in December 1978. Former schoolboy international Mark Kendall would step up when Spink was out injured. These are his stats:
(https://i.ibb.co/mGdc2Dm/Spink-NP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mGdc2Dm)
That (1) in 81/82 looks so small in comparison to its significance.
Also am I right in thinking one of his substitute appearances in the 90s was as an outfield player?
Post by: Pete3206 on August 24, 2023, 09:14:15 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 24, 2023, 11:16:54 PM
Post by: MorrisNielson on August 25, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
That (1) in 81/82 looks so small in comparison to its significance.His last appearance was as an outfield sub at QPR (Hendrie was send off on debut).
Also am I right in thinking one of his substitute appearances in the 90s was as an outfield player?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 25, 2023, 06:03:52 PM
That (1) in 81/82 looks so small in comparison to its significance.His last appearance was as an outfield sub at QPR (Hendrie was send off on debut).
Also am I right in thinking one of his substitute appearances in the 90s was as an outfield player?
Thanks. Imagine that happening now! Not entirely sure how it happened then but I assume someone off injured and Nige on the wing was better than 9.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2023, 06:05:15 PM
Post by: john e on August 25, 2023, 06:30:51 PM
Thought Olsen did OK when he came on. We are stuck with him so hopefully he can find some better form this season.
I’ll be happy to more of Olsen when we’re three nil up, playing against no hopers
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 25, 2023, 06:47:22 PM
Thought Olsen did OK when he came on. We are stuck with him so hopefully he can find some better form this season.
I’ll be happy to more of Olsen when we’re three nil up, playing against no hopers
Aye, in his first five minutes he looked dodgy as ever under pressure but fortunately we went and hit the fourth on the break. Don't trust him at all.
Post by: AV84 on August 25, 2023, 06:51:50 PM
Post by: Baldy on November 30, 2023, 11:09:44 PM
:)
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 01, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
Yes he did and showed he can step in should anything happens to Emi.
Hmmmmmm. He did alright tonight but didn't really have much to do. I'd feel significantly less comfortable about him stepping in in the premier league.
Post by: VillaTim on December 01, 2023, 12:16:51 AM
Yes he did and showed he can step in should anything happens to Emi.Seems to be improving, must be easier though playing in a team buoyed with such confidence and feel good factor. Even after the Kamara mistake for example it was high 5's all round rather than frosty looks etc
Post by: tomd2103 on December 01, 2023, 02:14:20 AM
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Post by: Smithy on December 01, 2023, 07:37:49 AM
Had very little to do tonight, but one thing I noticed was that when he kicked the ball long from the floor, he kicked it miles. He put Bailey in on goal with one of them.
That was a really good pass. I don't think it was just a long kick. Credit where it's due, I think he deliverately put him through, and he was inches from getting a well-deserved assist. Bailey's first touch was sensational.
Olsen did fine last night, I'm not sure Emi would have done better with their goal either - it was an excellent finish. I'd have concerns about him playing in the league, but last night showed he is competent enough. If that performance had come from one of our young keepers coming through, we'd be lauding them as a perfectly adequate understudy for Emi.
I'd still like to see a young up-and-coming keeper come in as number 2, but Olsen did pretty much everything asked of him last night I thought.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 01, 2023, 07:57:41 AM
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Post by: Smithy on December 01, 2023, 09:53:22 AM
Man has serious distribution chops. Maybe we could play him as a quarter back with those Barry Bannan Hollywood passes from deep.
I noticed Lenglet played a couple of similar inch-perfect quarter-back balls, too. It actually surprised me as I didn't know he had that in his locker.
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Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2023, 11:21:17 AM
Man has serious distribution chops. Maybe we could play him as a quarter back with those Barry Bannan Hollywood passes from deep.
I noticed Lenglet played a couple of similar inch-perfect quarter-back balls, too. It actually surprised me as I didn't know he had that in his locker.
Yes - Lenglet showed clear signs of his Barcelona training. Lovely through-ball into the box in the first half to McGinn, I think it was.
Post by: KevinGage on December 01, 2023, 12:04:47 PM
The defence are noticeably more panicky with him there and even the co commentator picked up on it.
Some of the nippier forwards in this division would have had a field day.
It's prob important we gave Martinez some downtime with the volume of games we have coming up, mind. Along with Cash, he might need an extra week or so off around the winter break following their World Cup exploits and the shorter pre season.
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2023, 12:16:27 PM
He's improved but still makes me nervous trying to play it out from the back.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 01, 2023, 12:48:03 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 01, 2023, 12:51:01 PM
I actually thought his passing was much improved last night.
As was his decision making, if he was under immediate pressure it went long. I've no problem with that if it makes him more comfortable, there were no 'Scooby Doo just seeing a ghost' impersonations last night.
Post by: usav on December 01, 2023, 12:55:25 PM
Still gave me kittens in the first half with some of his passing - and that's not even counting the goal which is largely on BK.
It was 100% on BK.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 01, 2023, 01:46:48 PM
Still gave me kittens in the first half with some of his passing - and that's not even counting the goal which is largely on BK.
It was 100% on BK.
Yep, previously when similar happened, Olsen could have taken partial credit as he could see the attacker bearing down on the player he was about to play in and still played it. But the ball to Kamara was early and decent enough that he could have done multiple things with it.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 01, 2023, 01:50:03 PM
The defence are noticeably more panicky with him there and even the co commentator picked up on it.
Although is that the first time Konsa and Lenglet have played together? It is normally Lenglet and Diego. And definitely the first time Lenglet and Moreno have played together. So panicky might not all have been on Olsen.
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2023, 01:52:27 PM
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Post by: nigel on December 01, 2023, 09:00:20 PM
He did fine, but towards the end of the second half there was one of their attacks where he started to come for the ball, but then back pedalled. It's that sort of indecision that gives defenders the shits.
Is it indecision, though?
He comes for the ball, realised he couldn’t make it, so retreated.
I would rather that than him carrying on and getting beat.
I thought the defenders looked quite comfortable with him last night.
Post by: Steve67 on December 02, 2023, 10:15:54 AM
Post by: Eckybloke on December 02, 2023, 10:35:05 AM
Even in the second half he played a pass close to his goal line with a forward not far away.
Yeah, would a better forward have gambled and just slid it in as he passed it? Or was it just a display of far greater confidence?
Post by: AV84 on December 02, 2023, 10:51:57 AM
Given the other areas we need to strengthen, and whatever the FFP situation is, I wouldn't expect to see a keeper come in in January. For better or worse Olsen is here until the summer at least.
Post by: nigel on December 02, 2023, 11:42:53 AM
Even in the second half he played a pass close to his goal line with a forward not far away.
Yeah, would a better forward have gambled and just slid it in as he passed it? Or was it just a display of far greater confidence?
He played a pass with a forward not far away. The pass wasn’t intercepted so reached one of our players.
He did nothing wrong during the game, the defenders didn’t look jittery with him, so let’s at least give the guy some credit.
I would guess that had Emi played the same pass he’d have been lauded as king of coolness
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 01, 2024, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: frank black on February 01, 2024, 08:06:00 PM
With Gauci coming in, where does this leave Olsen, as presumably he and not Martinez would be the most impacted by the signing of a new goalkeeper?
Presumably 😂
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2024, 08:11:44 PM
With Gauci coming in, where does this leave Olsen, as presumably he and not Martinez would be the most impacted by the signing of a new goalkeeper?
Well as Gauci is away with Australia at the moment I’d imagine Olsen will stay till end of season as you wouldn’t want no goalkeeper with first team experience on bench for next couple of games…though you never know
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Post by: Risso on April 04, 2024, 12:55:15 AM
So I didn’t see the game; but, what is the feeling about Emi’s understudy now? From bits I heard on the radio it sounded like he contributed well? Is the rehab complete, is he accepted?
He played as well as he could, and none of the goals were his fault. Made a few decent saves. I still don't ever want to see anybody else in goal except Emi though.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 04, 2024, 12:58:50 AM
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Post by: Chris Harte on April 04, 2024, 07:53:41 AM
So slow to leave his line and terrible with the ball at his feet.Really? What game was you watching? He had a steady game in my view. The only slight criticism I'd give him was his tendency to punch the ball under pressure but that's for the keeper to decide.
Overall, he was competent while being let down by individual errors in front of him.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2024, 09:57:40 AM
A big chance for Olsen to prove his doubters wrong.
So slow to leave his line and terrible with the ball at his feet.
:(
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2024, 10:03:17 AM
I didn't get the heebie-jeebies when he played from feet so in that respect, my rehab from watching him play is coming along well.
Post by: LeeB on April 04, 2024, 10:08:15 AM
He's still miles off Emi but then so is nearly every other keeper.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 04, 2024, 10:21:28 AM
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Post by: Risso on April 04, 2024, 12:09:40 PM
Can someone change that effing word filter that changes c-a-l-a-m-i-t-y to captain?
Struggling to think why that's a thing on here?
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2024, 12:12:02 PM
Can someone change that effing word filter that changes c-a-l-a-m-i-t-y to captain?
Struggling to think why that's a thing on here?
I'm drawing a blank too. David James is the only thing I can think of, but surely that's too old?
Post by: MalcolmP on April 04, 2024, 12:15:39 PM
Can someone change that effing word filter that changes c-a-l-a-m-i-t-y to captain?And PREViously to PERViously 😂
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2024, 01:46:12 PM
Can someone change that effing word filter that changes c-a-l-a-m-i-t-y to captain?
Struggling to think why that's a thing on here?
I'm drawing a blank too. David James is the only thing I can think of, but surely that's too old?
And I don't recall him being captain. But in any case, he predated this version of H&V by about ten years as you say.
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2024, 01:57:49 PM
Can someone change that effing word filter that changes c-a-l-a-m-i-t-y to captain?
Struggling to think why that's a thing on here?
I'm drawing a blank too. David James is the only thing I can think of, but surely that's too old?
And I don't recall him being captain. But in any case, he predated this version of H&V by about ten years as you say.
The only other thing I can think of when Mings was going through a dodgy period of form. I can definitely imagine that word being used about him on a few match threads over the years.
But I feel that would have been recent enough that it wouldn't draw a complete blank with the word-filter.
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2024, 01:58:48 PM
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 04, 2024, 02:01:32 PM
And with that in mind I’d like to see at least a few more much improved performances before changing my mind about buying another keeper in the summer but fair play things are looking better as it stands.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 04, 2024, 02:06:17 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2024, 03:09:23 PM
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2024, 08:01:02 PM
Can someone change that effing word filter that changes c-a-l-a-m-i-t-y to captain?
All done.
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 08, 2024, 02:14:39 AM
In other news, my Exeter-supporting mate continues to praise the performances of Viljami Sinisalo.
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2024, 04:55:44 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 08, 2024, 06:40:12 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2024, 06:47:39 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 08, 2024, 07:26:45 PM
As to be fair he has to be playing champions league.
Post by: Forge10 on April 08, 2024, 09:25:10 PM
If we somehow dont make Champions League then I would think there's a gentleman agreement to sell Martinez.
As to be fair he has to be playing champions league.
Is this something you know from a source? Or experience in the game maybe?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 08, 2024, 09:30:11 PM
If we somehow dont make Champions League then I would think there's a gentleman agreement to sell Martinez.
We'll get Willy Caballero in exchange?
Post by: Chap on April 09, 2024, 07:56:44 AM
If we somehow dont make Champions League then I would think there's a gentleman agreement to sell Martinez.Not convinced with this. He seems content with the fact Villa gave him the chance and he has gone on to win the World Cup and the Golden glove. The ECL pails to insignificance to this achievement.
As to be fair he has to be playing champions league.
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2024, 08:56:28 AM
If we somehow dont make Champions League then I would think there's a gentleman agreement to sell Martinez.Not convinced with this. He seems content with the fact Villa gave him the chance and he has gone on to win the World Cup and the Golden glove. The ECL pails to insignificance to this achievement.
As to be fair he has to be playing champions league.
On the other hand Martinez has mentioned several times about wanting to play Champions League with Villa. If we don't do it this season, I think he'd want to play in it somewhere else, and we'd probably let him.
Post by: Chap on April 10, 2024, 07:44:41 AM
Possibly, but he may give us one more season if we failed to qualify this season. We’re probably ahead of expectations of where we should be.If we somehow dont make Champions League then I would think there's a gentleman agreement to sell Martinez.Not convinced with this. He seems content with the fact Villa gave him the chance and he has gone on to win the World Cup and the Golden glove. The ECL pails to insignificance to this achievement.
As to be fair he has to be playing champions league.
On the other hand Martinez has mentioned several times about wanting to play Champions League with Villa. If we don't do it this season, I think he'd want to play in it somewhere else, and we'd probably let him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2024, 08:57:58 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2024, 10:12:29 AM
I suspect in time he'll be usurped by Gauci.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2024, 10:21:14 AM
I doubt Gauci is going to be ready to be number 2 for a while yet, so I'd like a Heaton-style signing to replace Olsen for a year or two.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 11:26:28 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2024, 12:07:07 PM
Is Gauci playing U21 games at the moment?
I think Swinkels and Lutz are leading him astray.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 14, 2024, 01:00:08 PM
Watkins said Olsen and he are always the first down for breakfast on morning for games. The early risers
Olsen keeps it straightforward and has a plain crepe.
“I don’t want anything on it “ says Olsen
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2024, 01:43:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 02:06:27 PM
Player insight
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Post by: Tayls_7 on April 14, 2024, 02:25:19 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 14, 2024, 02:33:34 PM
Haven't conceded a goal for years.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 14, 2024, 02:40:37 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 14, 2024, 02:50:20 PM
I enjoy a crepe in the morning myself. Before breakfast, if at all possible.
All keepers aim to be the regular.