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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2022, 04:30:19 PM
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Our team for tonights game vs Man U, the refs and VAR
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No Ronaldo.
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Man Utd: De Gea, Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Telles, Fred, Matic, Greenwood, Bruno Fernandes, Elanga, Cavani
Subs: Heaton, Henderson, Jones, Maguire, Mata, Lingard, Sancho, Van de Beek
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Ings and Watkins again. This doesn't work.
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FTF. Come on you Villa boys! I'm still nonplussed by the Ings Watkins non-partnership.
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FTF. Come on you Villa boys! I'm still nonplussed by the Ings Watkins non-partnership.
I'd be tempted to drop them both and play Archer.
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That Elanga looked lively when he came on
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Ings and Watkins again. This doesn't work.
Would rather have seen one of the Kids start tbh - think Watkins is useless when he plays off ings
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Ings and Watkins are undroppable.
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Ings and Watkins again. This doesn't work.
It might now with better service
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Line up as expected once Gerrard said Coutinho wasn't match fit.
Think it makes sense to play 4-3-1-2 today as Buendia got plenty of joy in central positions first half monday and they struggle to create anything when game is condensed centrally.
It'a a very beatable line up they've put out but we have to go out, perform well and prove it.
Lingard on their bench is giving me the chills though. Did us last season and the sort they'll throw on last 20 minutes if losing and turn the game around.
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FTF. Come on you Villa boys! I'm still nonplussed by the Ings Watkins non-partnership.
It’s the ship that never sails.
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Ronaldo isn't playing for Manure today.
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I think the Ings/Watkins thing won’t be a thing once Coutinho is fit and can start and when we also have Bailey. He’s trying to create that front three with Ollie on the left. Ings is the better natural CF so good service to him and you have a better chance of goals. But it will work itself out.
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Beat these fuckers. This is not the best Man united side I've ever seen. Do em!
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Always a bit of a concern with no McGinn. Sanson needs to step up.
The team is fair enough though with players out. We might actually do them but I wouldn’t bet the mortgage on it.
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I think the Ings/Watkins thing won’t be a thing once Coutinho is fit and can start and when we also have Bailey. He’s trying to create that front three with Ollie on the left. Ings is the better natural CF so good service to him and you have a better chance of goals. But it will work itself out.
Yep, one will have to go out once Coutinho is ready to start games unless Gerrard dosen't think he and Buendia can function properly in same time but Emi is starting to fire.
Unless we sign Kante style DM and go 4-2-2-2 but really need 3 in central midfield to properly control games.
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I want revenge for Monday’s injustice.
Spank the tossers
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Ings and Watkins again. This doesn't work.
Would rather have seen one of the Kids start tbh - think Watkins is useless when he plays off ings
It should work because Ings is an out and out striker and Watkins is happy to drop deep and/or go wide.
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Let's not pussyfoot around, we will never have a better chance to beat Man Utd at home.
No excuses. No balls ups.
Just beat them Villa.
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Come on me Villa babbies
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Good to see Lucas starting and happy with the team, the only downer of course no SJM. 65% going for a Villa win, can't ever remember that happening before against United. Looking forward to seeing Coutinho and going for a Villa win.
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Let's not pussyfoot around, we will never have a better chance to beat Man Utd at home.
No excuses. No balls ups.
Just beat them Villa.
We've had better chances when we've been 2 up with about 15 minutes left and blown it every time. Wasn't there also a game under O'Neill when they had someone sent off after 20 minutes and we still couldn't beat them?
Just have to see how it all pans out. I always think the crowd know the history of this fixture and it gets nervous even when we're winning and that transmits to the players who start making stupid errors/decisions.
Second half atmosphere v Leicester was brilliant and really dragged us over the line so that needs to be replicated tonight if we're winning second half.
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This is a really big opportunity for Sanson. He's waited long enough for it, but now it's up to him. Play well in a win against these lot and it would be hard to drop him, even for McGinn. Not sure he'll have enough in the tank to do 90 mins though?
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I’m particularly looking forward to seeing Sanson and Digne
And I want to be the first on here to say…
I never dreamt that I would ever see the day when Villa could bring a £146 million player off the bench.
Ohhh that feels gooooooood
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Coutinho must come on at some point.
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Oh ho ho, he's magic you know. Phillipe Coutinho.
Arrives on 65 mins curls one in to the top right corner to make it 3-2.
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Coutinho must come on at some point.
Almost certain, short of other subs forcing changes due to injuries. The question is, how long will he get? I hope it's long enough to make an impression. Even if he's lacking match-fitness, then I'm sure he could still do a good 30 mins?
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Just fucking win!
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When will Var fcuk us over? I’m going for 48 minutes.
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Oh ho ho, he's magic you know. Phillipe Coutinho.
Arrives on 65 mins curls one in to the top right corner to make it 3-2.
Don't be daft. To make it 4-0.
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We had 3 seasons of Yorke following that 3-1 in 1995 yet the sky knob said that must have been the game that got him the United move. Redknapp then said yeh it was the season after. Ignorant fuckers..
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You just know that Elanga will score the winner.
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We had 3 seasons of Yorke following that 3-1 in 1995 yet the sky knob said that must have been the game that got him the United move. Redknapp then said yeh it was the season after. Ignorant fuckers..
And three years before we finished second to them after the Fergie time earned them an undeserved win against Wednesday.
Fk Sky.
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Currently being treated to Jack Woodward commentary highlights on the VP screens.
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You just know that Elanga will score the winner.
And then like that Italian kid Macheda, disappear into obscurity. Unknown youngster scoring against us seems to be their way.
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Coutinho getting a fantastic reception as he comes out.
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I seem to have logged into Man U tv by mistake I thought we were playing tonight as well?
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I seem to have logged into Man U tv by mistake I thought we were playing tonight as well?
Annoying, isn't it?
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Matic is an annoying shithouse. It will be good for us if he gets an early card.
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If ever time to beat Man Utd at Villa park its tonight
Come on boys! The stars aligned
Up the Villa
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Ings and Watkins again. This doesn't work.
I guess Coutinho will replace one of them eventually.
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Destroy the Plastics!
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I seem to have logged into Man U tv by mistake I thought we were playing tonight as well?
Annoying, isn't it?
Hinchcliffe is annoying too though he'll be loving Digne
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Matic is an annoying shithouse. It will be good for us if he gets an early card.
David Coote one of the worst refs don't know anything could happen with him!
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Oh bollocks
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Oh fuck off Martinez. Shocking. Absolutely shocking.
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Of all the days for Martinez to throw one in
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I don’t know why I fucking bother.
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He is a terrific keeper but Emi f*cked up there.
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Jesus fucking wept!
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FUCK OFF
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Awful. It wasn’t a free kick either.
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Ah yes normal service against Manure is assumed
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I hate these bastards
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If that’s down the other end, that goal is chalked off for blocking the keepers vision
Ridiculous
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Absolutely typical. It had to happen against them. FFS!!!!!
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Fack sake Emi. Gifting them a goal in first 10 minutes again.
I give up with this fixture. Mings playing Cavani on aswell.
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I want to know how many ways these fuckers can get to fluke a win over us. We keep coming up with them.
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Buendia absolutely belting it out of play there.
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Ah yes normal service against Manure is assumed
Aston Villa, to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, finds a way.
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If that’s down the other end, that goal is chalked off for blocking the keepers vision
Ridiculous
Cavani, who was in front of the keeper was onside. All down to Emi dropping that I'm afraid.
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I want to know how many ways these fuckers can get to fluke a win over us. We keep coming up with them.
Our players just constantly play like nervous wrecks at VP against them.
The last player you'd expect to make an error like that chucks one in and yet again we're up against it and will have to push forward and leave some space on the break for them.
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I blame the optimism pre-match.
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I hate this fixture so much.
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We are cursed against these
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If that’s down the other end, that goal is chalked off for blocking the keepers vision
Ridiculous
Cavani, who was in front of the keeper was onsite. All down to Emi dropping that I'm afraid.
Onside but blocking keepers vision. We’ve had them chalked off for that before.
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At least we have plenty of time left to get an equaliser.
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Why are we booting it towards the right corner flag? First Buendia, now Luiz
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Stop giving away shit fucking goals Villa.
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Really shit from the keeper there.
He has bloomers in him.
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What is it with these comedy over hit passes?
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What's wrong with us? So much for us starting on the front foot.
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I put it down to the bad karma from the 1957 FA cup final. My old man is a nose and reckons 1957 was a bad year because Villa won the cup and he married my Mum that year too. ;D
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Have we ever won a game vs them after conceding the first goal?
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Gutless stuff so far. This could be a long night on what we've seeing
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Normal service is resumed
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When will this club shake the inferiority complex not just against this lot but against many sides. We never ever seem to start fast. So often we barely get out of our own half.
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15% possession.
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Clutching at straws - but did the ball travel the minimum required distance (is there a minimum distance?) from the free kick before Fernandes played it?
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I put it down to the bad karma from the 1957 FA cup final.
Surely we've paid off that after 65 unsuccessful attempts to win it since.
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Ragnarok is a smart coach though. He's probably taken what he saw from us on Monday, figured we'll set up the same way, and drilled a counter to it.
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Another one where we need to hope we get to HT at 0-1. Fucking hell.
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Way we are playing, we are making this piss poor Manure team look like world beaters. Still think most of our problem is that we just don’t press enough and, when we have possession of the ball, we’re far too slow to get it up the pitch.
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Fucking wank. Bring on Coutinho.
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15% possession.
Done us again
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For me we let them have too much room and possession in the first 5 minutes. No urgency when we didn't have possession amd weaky surrendering the ball when we did
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Ragnarok is a smart coach though. He's probably taken what he saw from us on Monday, figured we'll set up the same way, and drilled a counter to it.
Gerrard has gone with 'I'll bamboozle him with Ings and Watkins.'
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That's the third time we've just booted it straight out. Embarrassing stuff there.
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15% possession.
Is it that much? Room for optimism then as I thought it was lower.
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Has Ings touched the ball yet?
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For me we let them have too much room and possession in the first 5 minutes. No urgency when we didn't have possession amd weaky surrendering the ball when we did
Us in a nutshell. Passive and cannot ever build when we have momentum.
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Fucking wank. Bring on Coutinho.
Stick him in goal
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20 mins in and barely touched the ball.
Playing it round us like we're training cones.
Must do better.
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well shit.. we were far more energized for this match than the players today. I am shocked at how flat and undisciplined we’ve come out.
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We look a rabble. I'd rather have seen Young in there for Ings, but I guess he wasn't fully fit
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Step it up FFS
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The Ings and Watkins don’t think work.
I know it’s early but SG needs to make a change before it’s 2.0!
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It's year after endless year of being not very good.
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We're giving them so much space. Ridiculous. Our press is dog turd today.
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We could still get sucked back into trouble. This is as bad as the last few games under Smith - arguably worse
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Useless shower of divs.
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This is woeful stuff, absolute garbage again.
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I think Europe might have to wait another season.
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Think there manager has worked us out - knows exactly how we’re going to play. Unfortunately not at the races
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Good lad Lucas, clattered Cavani.
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Great save from Martinez or we are two down.
Our midfield without McGinn is so powder puff it's untrue.
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I thought the injustice of Monday would have us well up for this.
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Has Ings touched the ball yet?
Is that the old man wandering aimlessly around the pitch?
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Fucking wank. Bring on Coutinho.
In goal? ;)
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Why is ings on the right?
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Beyond shite.
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Pathetic cross from Cash.
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I fucking hate these ******. ******!
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Pathetic cross from Cash.
Cash needs be really careful worn Kessler back in the squad.
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Has Ings touched the ball yet?
Is that the old man wandering aimlessly around the pitch?
In fairness when a team is doing nothing in midfield and has 15% possession it’s hardly unsurprising that a forward isn’t doing much.
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We’re getting some possession now.
Not doing anything with it though
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When this Manchester United team is working harder than Villa you know you have a problem.
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It's like they've got 15 players.
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15% possession at home to the worst United team in a decade is fucking embarrassing.
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Typical that this is Yaniteds best performance of the season so far
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United are working harder and have the advantage of two holding midfielders to our, er, none!
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Well this is nothing like Monday night, apart from them scoring.
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Crowd getting frustrated now.
We've been poor.
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Our problem in a nutshell…we have just made about 20 passes in midfield and have not made any ground up the pitch at all.
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Stupid challenge from Digne.
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Poor challenge from Digne there. Stupid.
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Man ure are actually playing very well - I knew reports of their demise were premature. Villa’s lack of urgency given how much we hate them is a disgrace.
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Just caught myself wondering if we are going to end up worrying about relegation as the season carries on.
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I thought our players would be well up for this.
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Digne booked. Manyoo players awarded merit certificates.
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Have we actually got into their penalty area yet?
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Just caught myself wondering if we are going to end up worrying about relegation as the season carries on.
Carrying on playing like this and the way we tossed in the towel vs Brentford then it’s very much a possibility. We’re not too good to go down.
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My God that was terrible, Watkins.
Is he in fact nowhere near as good as we make him out to be, I wonder.
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5th ball passed straight out
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Think I might stay in the car.
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Man ure are actually playing very well - I knew reports of their demise were premature. Villa’s lack of urgency given how much we hate them is a disgrace.
I knew reports of us suddenly looking the dogs bollocks under Gerrard were also premature. We look shit and on course to lose 4 in a row.
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Think there manager has worked us out - knows exactly how we’re going to play. Unfortunately not at the races
Yup. Worrying that Gerrard has been sussed already.
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Have we actually got into their penalty area yet?
We’ve barely entered their half
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Ollie just kicking it out for goal kick sums up our first half hour.
Reminds me of Leicester first half so still time to turn this around.
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This is as bad as anything under Eric Black
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Typical Matic. Exactly what we need!
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0 shots and 0 touches on their penalty area
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Ings just offers nothing in the build up.. he and Ollie are just too far from the midfield.
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Just caught myself wondering if we are going to end up worrying about relegation as the season carries on.
Carrying on playing like this and the way we tossed in the towel vs Brentford then it’s very much a possibility. We’re not too good to go down.
Not quite sure it's that bad but we are where we deserve to be in the table, no question.
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Fourth time! We just keep smacking the ball out of play. Not just misplaced, we're talking really hammering it home.
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My God that was terrible, Watkins.
Is he in fact nowhere near as good as we make him out to be, I wonder.
He is average.
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Outsung at VP too.
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Yay, there's the Matic yellow I wanted
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Stevie will fucking explode at half time.
Winder what lil Phil is thinking rn...
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What's happening to us
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FTF. Come on you Villa boys! I'm still nonplussed by the Ings Watkins non-partnership.
I'd be tempted to drop them both and play Archer.
Or just one of them.
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That is fucking shit Watkins.
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Other clubs can build on a bit of momentum- a run of form, a new signing etc. Not us.
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Man ure are actually playing very well - I knew reports of their demise were premature. Villa’s lack of urgency given how much we hate them is a disgrace.
I knew reports of us suddenly looking the dogs bollocks under Gerrard were also premature. We look shit and on course to lose 4 in a row.
Deano got sacked for losing 5 in a row.
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What is wrong with Watkins?
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This ref is a right gormless twat as well.
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Pass back to the keeper from Ollie.
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Watkins should have given that more power
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I really like Sanson
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I really like Sanson
Our best player so far I reckon.
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Man ure are actually playing very well - I knew reports of their demise were premature. Villa’s lack of urgency given how much we hate them is a disgrace.
I knew reports of us suddenly looking the dogs bollocks under Gerrard were also premature. We look shit and on course to lose 4 in a row.
Deano got sacked for losing 5 in a row.
Do us a favour. Burnley got cancelled. We were looking very impressive against Leicester and Norwich and gave a good account of ourselves against Man City. Covid messed us up.
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Ollie just dosen't believe enough in final third, poor shot from promising position.
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Oooooh a corner!!
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Man ure are actually playing very well - I knew reports of their demise were premature. Villa’s lack of urgency given how much we hate them is a disgrace.
I knew reports of us suddenly looking the dogs bollocks under Gerrard were also premature. We look shit and on course to lose 4 in a row.
Deano got sacked for losing 5 in a row.
It is not a case of 5 games lost and you're sacked. Dean had shown tactical limitations for a while before the inevitable happened. Steven Gerrard is showing.er, ...
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This ref is a right gormless twat as well.
It’s not remotely his fault today.
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Hope this isn’t our good half!!
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Unlucky there
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Man ure are actually playing very well - I knew reports of their demise were premature. Villa’s lack of urgency given how much we hate them is a disgrace.
I knew reports of us suddenly looking the dogs bollocks under Gerrard were also premature. We look shit and on course to lose 4 in a row.
Deano got sacked for losing 5 in a row.
It is not a case of 5 games lost and you're sacked. Dean had shown tactical limitations for a while before the inevitable happened. Steven Gerrard is showing.er, ...
Yup. For all the hard talk we're still garbage. Absolute bumsmell.
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Looking better now, Buendia looking good.
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Now this is Buendia's best game of the season, only one setting the tempo for us.
Get Countino on second half a.s.a.p.
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Because we've still neglected the midfield. More attacking players and fullbacks, great, but our midfield 3 are barely average at this level. Stop fucking around with attackers and wingers and get a centre mid in.
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At last a bit of sustained possession and pressure in their half.
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We've woken up.
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A few people going for chips on 39 minutes.
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We’re missing Nakamba.
Our run of results has come with him out of the team.
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Finally rattled them a bit! Actually good play this.
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Problem is we’re crowbarring players into positions that don’t really suit them.
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This ref is a right gormless twat as well.
It’s not remotely his fault today.
Not yet...
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Paging Mr Coutinho …..
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After over 35 years watching us I can only conclude we don't like winter.
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Problem is we’re crowbarring players into positions that don’t really suit them.
Who are you thinking about there? It is only really Watkins that is out of position right?
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Can someone fuck Ings off into a canal for me. Waste of money.
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Konsa struggling
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Ezri’s done I think
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Anyone else finding themselves thinking they wouldn't really be that bothered if Luiz did fuck off?
I don't think I'd lose much sleep.
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Ollie needs to wake the feck up.
We're in this at least now. They're giving the ball away constantly when pressed.
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How was that not a penalty?
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Watkins diabolical, Ings completely anonymous
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How was that not a penalty?
Exactly what I thought
Then I remembered who we are playing.
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Konsa's struggling. Took a bang on the hip.
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I am not particularly squeamish but I often have to look away from the telly when Douglas Luiz goes in for a tackle.
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Anyone else finding themselves thinking they wouldn't really be that bothered if Luiz did fuck off?
I don't think I'd lose much sleep.
100%
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How was that not a penalty?
Exactly what I thought
And me
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On the bright side, Sanson has played well.
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We’ve been poor. We’ve made an average United side look a lot better than they are.
Buendiua and Sanson only positives.
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Commentators are just itching for Elanga to score aren’t they
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Anyone else finding themselves thinking they wouldn't really be that bothered if Luiz did fuck off?
I don't think I'd lose much sleep.
What does he offer? Really can't see what he does beyond play safe balls sideways in midfield or give the ball away.
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Sanson and Buendia bright sparks. Coutinho on ASAP please
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Problem is we’re crowbarring players into positions that don’t really suit them.
Who are you thinking about there? It is only really Watkins that is out of position right?
Possibly a sweeping generalisation - but the Watkins and Ings seem to make each other worse and luiz as the dcm doesn’t work
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If Gerard sees Ings as undroppable then we have a problem.
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It’s jinxed this fixture. Absolutely jinxed.
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Both Watkins and Ings have been abject. Would consider hooking them both and Couts and Archer on
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It’s jinxed this fixture. Absolutely jinxed.
Oddly, we got a few draws in the 90s after the 3-1 win in 1995-96. It was the 00s when it really went bad for us
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It’s jinxed this fixture. Absolutely jinxed.
I hate it so fucking much. Even when i had a season ticket in recent times, I always used to do anything I could to avoid going to this fixture.
Every single thing about it is shit, everything.
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Konsa can barely move.
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Both Watkins and Ings have been abject. Would consider hooking them both and Couts and Archer on
Need to get Coutinho on before it goes 2 nil. Ollie has been really poor tonight so likely he's vulnerable one.
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Just caught myself wondering if we are going to end up worrying about relegation as the season carries on.
Manure would be gutted if we did go.
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First 20ish minutes absolute dross, after that got better.
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Dreadful stuff.
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A big pile of dog wank.
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It’s jinxed this fixture. Absolutely jinxed.
Oddly, we got a few draws in the 90s after the 3-1 win in 1995-96. It was the 00s when it really went bad for us
That cup game v them when they ran on the pitch after turning it to 3-2 was the death knell.
Since waking up we've more than matched them but it simply isn't a good idea even against very average Man. United teams to chuck one in after 10 minutes as always an uphill battle.
We'll still get chances in second half but simply have to take them. For all the fawning the two main ones were both straight at De Gea.
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Ramsey very poor too
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H-T. Apart from one 5 minute spell towards the end of the half that was very, very disappointing.
Only Digne and Sanson and maybe Buendia have been acceptable.
Gerrard needs to have a proper think about why he's selecting Watkins and Ings. Didn't work with Dean, ain't working with him either.
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Absolute rabble
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Anyone else finding themselves thinking they wouldn't really be that bothered if Luiz did fuck off?
I don't think I'd lose much sleep.
What does he offer? Really can't see what he does beyond play safe balls sideways in midfield or give the ball away.
He is also a yellow or red card waiting to happen. I like commitment but like his namesake who played for Chelsea and Arsenal he can be a liability. Commitment is great but being reckless isn't great.
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All the positivity in the build up and we shit ourselves as soon as we kick off. We are showing them so much respect. We have the biggest inferiority complex.
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Ramsey very poor too
I thought that too. Not really worked for him so far today.
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Watkins is a Championship level player doing his best. Ings looks about 10 years older than he is. Fucking wank.
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Their midfield is carrying the ball well up the pitch for them. Ours are all looking for a pass or runner that’s not on. Luiz needs to do more. Missing McGinns energy. Everton will be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of playing us next week, no one hands out gifts more than us to struggling teams.
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We’ve been poor. We’ve made an average United side look a lot better than they are.
Buendiua and Sanson only positives.
Agreed, and Digne has made some promising runs. Ramsey, Dougie and the front 2 particularly disappointing.
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It’s sad but, we really don’t look threatening or about to score anytime soon. Change of tactics is clearly needed and a change in formation. Think Archer would probably give their defence a few more problems than Watkins or Ings. We really need to step our play up by at least 10% and also press them much higher up the pitch.
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Ings and Watkins just have no idea what’s going on. It’s not even like they are isolated, they are just absent. Buendia winning headers and Digne volleying at the back post.. where are the out and out strikers?!
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Our new manager bounce was2 games - since the we’ve beaten Leicester and Norwich and lost 6.
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Surely we cant be as bad second half, can we?
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The first 20 mins was the worst we've payed under Gerrard so far. It was abysmal. From there we improved and lthey are only had because of a very lucky goal. I'd lie to see us change this at half time, not wait for 20 mins Take the initiative now and get Coutinho on the pitch. One of Ings or Watkins off now too - it doesn't and won't work, fuck knows why but it's clear as day that they get in each others way and we might as well be playing with 9 men.
Digne a big upgrade on Targett already.
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That was disappointing, we started slowly and didn’t wake up until around the 35th minute.
I don’t think Konsa will be out for the second half, he was really struggling
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Disappointed but there is still hope. They have been all over us 1st 20 minutes. Come on villa. We can do it.
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Meh.
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:(
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It’s sad but, we really don’t look threatening or about to score anytime soon. Change of tactics is clearly needed and a change in formation. Think Archer would probably give their defence a few more problems than Watkins or Ings. We really need to step our play up by at least 10% and also press them much higher up the pitch.
Think we need Coutinho on as soon as possible. Yes he won't be 100% but he's been training since Wednesday so surely can manage about half an hour.
Think Buendia's played really well and our best moves have come through him. Coutinho's reputation will mean they'd have to mark him a bit so should mean Buendia gets a bit more space centrally.
Can't leave Ings and Watkins on though otherwise they'll just walk through our central midfield.
This game is still open for us imo. 2 nil and it's obviously over so Mings will probably score an own goal early second half.
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A bland performance and one which I hugely regret waking up at 2:30am for.
They look better than us. Ings and Watkins both stealing a wage, and just don't work together in the same team. Luiz is ridiculously bad, and overrated beyond belief.
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Pisses me off when we concede early and it's game over.
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Konsa could barely walk and looked in agony - strange they kept him on.
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Not a good half, but I'm genuinely surprised how deep Man Utd are getting once we get the ball. After one corner in the first half all 11 players sprinted back into their own half - no pressing, get back and set the shape. They seem happy to let us have possession in the middle third, which generally means you need someone to beat a player to break the lines. If only we had someone on the bench capable of such witchcraft...
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Complete inability to hit the ground running. We always have to fanny arse about in our own half giving away stupid freekicks for the first quarter.
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It doesn't matter who's managing our team, they always, always make weird decisions like playing Ings and Watkins together when IT DOESN'T WORK.
We all know it and have done for months. I think one of us should be in charge of picking the team. We're clearly better informed.
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Dreadful.
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The last 15 mins were better, but big improvement still needed, Sanson and Buendia have played well.
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Not a good half, but I'm genuinely surprised how deep Man Utd are getting once we get the ball. After one corner in the first half all 11 players sprinted back into their own half - no pressing, get back and set the shape. They seem happy to let us have possession in the middle third, which generally means you need someone to beat a player to break the lines. If only we had someone on the bench capable of such witchcraft...
Cavani basically played as left winger for last 20 minutes of that half.
Their young lad on the right caused Cash loads of trouble so hopefully he tires out a bit.
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Olly, ings doesn’t work. We need a DCM. We have good spells and don’t score, but let in too easily. we don’t seem to pass to each other without someone fucking it up.
No leadership apart from EMI and Mings
It’s been the same all season. This has to be one of the most frustrating seasons ever we consistently seem to be less then the sum of our parts.
Not sure if it’s because we have an unbalanced squad - but we seem to be doing everything right as a club apart from on the pitch.
Big half and a big couple of games coming up otherwise we’ll be looking at a really disappointing season and bug question marks
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powder puff midfield
Ings Watkins not working
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I'm 37. I cannot believe that Danny Ings isn't at least 20 years older than me. Very very tough paper round.
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Too many players who aren’t good enough. Ings, Watkins, Luiz, this includes you.
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Konsa could barely walk and looked in agony - strange they kept him on.
I looked at that, and where the lad caught him, and my mind immediately when back to the Grealish tackle that caught him on the kidney that kept him out for months.
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Sanson has been good to be fair to him. Ramsey has struggled and Luiz has been anonymous.
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Buendia is getting better each match, I hope he and Coutinho get to play together.
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From the first minute we sat off them rather than press which surprised me-and prob them. That gave them the initiative and they haven't looked back. We need to press high, especially with two up front and grow a pair! Work harder Villa..
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I'm going to take some hope from the fact that as the half went on, we got to grips with the game and started creating things. The first 30 minutes were garbage, yes, United played with far more width than on Monday night, but still, the performance was SO much worse than where we left off at Old Trafford.
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Both Ramsey and Luiz have been poor. And for Christ sake Gerrard both Watkins and Ings together does not and will not work ever.
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Big task for Gerrard and his assistents to change this
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Talk of physicality in midfield is misplaced. Matic is a big boy but he's hardly Vieira, while Fred is...well, he just is. We also outnumber them three-to-two. Our problem isn't, as some people always seem to think it must be, some sort of BIG STRENGTH BATTLE - our problem is we're giving the ball away for no reason at all way too often.
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Pre-season was a mess and it just carried over into the season. We have been very frustrating. Very sort of passive, playing shite for periods. Urgh.
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Konsa could barely walk and looked in agony - strange they kept him on.
I looked at that, and where the lad caught him, and my mind immediately when back to the Grealish tackle that caught him on the kidney that kept him out for months.
It looked so innocuous at the time. I don't really trust Mings without Konsa on the pitch. I don't really trust him with Konsa on it either.
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Looks like Konsa will not be coming back.
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Hause warning up. Looks like no Konsa
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Sanson has been good to be fair to him. Ramsey has struggled and Luiz has been anonymous.
Luiz always looks like he is playing within himself. Taking it nice and easy.
Not tracking. Not giving it too much.
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Have we ever won one of these Saturday evening games?
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Looks like Konsa will not be coming back.
Hause getting on the end of a corner worked a few months back.
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Manure have been surprisingly good, Greenwood and the chappy on the left in particular.
Sanson looked sharp although he gave away a stupid free kick which led to the Martinez clusterfuck.
What's happened to our pressing game? We are letting them ping it about at will.
Some positive signs late in the half. More goals in this game for sure.
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Sanson has been good to be fair to him. Ramsey has struggled and Luiz has been anonymous.
Also liked seeing him gee up his teammates when United conceded possession. He looks up for it. But I do think we're missing meatball in there.
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I'm 37. I cannot believe that Danny Ings isn't at least 20 years older than me. Very very tough paper round.
Still think we should loan him out until he gets up to speed.
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Sanson has been good to be fair to him. Ramsey has struggled and Luiz has been anonymous.
Luiz always looks like he is playing within himself. Taking it nice and easy.
Not tracking. Not giving it too much.
Gerrard has Luiz incredibly deep, I think to try and release Digne up the left and shift Mings over.
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I'm 37. I cannot believe that Danny Ings isn't at least 20 years older than me. Very very tough paper round.
Still think we should loan him out until he gets up to speed.
Or swap him for a bag of apples?
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Not a good half, but I'm genuinely surprised how deep Man Utd are getting once we get the ball. After one corner in the first half all 11 players sprinted back into their own half - no pressing, get back and set the shape. They seem happy to let us have possession in the middle third, which generally means you need someone to beat a player to break the lines. If only we had someone on the bench capable of such witchcraft...
Think they know exactly how we’re going to play
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This half cannot possibly be any worse than the first
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Poor system and predictable at the moment.
Too slow and not enough energy and drive from midfield
Hoping better second half .
Its like the team like everyone else exist waiting for Coutinho
Come on Villa
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Get Coutinho on, ings off, Watkins in the middle .
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Ings and Watkins both still on then?
We can forget about getting back into this.
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The thought of both Hause and Mings fucking around at the back with the ball fills me with dread.
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The thought of both Hause and Mings fucking around at the back with the ball fills me with dread.
They seem to be making space around him with their press so he gets the ball regularly with the hope he'll be uncomfortable and mess it up. It'll probably work.
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Top save from De Gea that.
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Ings is the better striker. He's proven that over many seasons and loads of times vs us. But in this system it doesn't work. Like all players if we don't play to thei strengths it onyl highlights what they don't do well. See Grealish, Joe at Man City as evidence. Watkins offers a lot more movemet but given the same situation in front of goal he's not as good as Ings. We need to play 4-5-1 with Ings up front.
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Watkins really is pony.
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Watkins stood on Fernandes foot, surely that's a penalty for us?
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We need to get Watkins off that fucking pitch.
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He will take Ings off for Cortina.
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Fantastic stuff . Much more like it really enterprising fair this is much better
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A lot higher tempo this half already. Need to keep it going and actually fashion a few chances.
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We are playing some really pretty football but with no end product.
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72% possession. Better.
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Watkins can be ace - but also frustrating.
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Digne far superior techincally to Targett.
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Ings is a lazy sod. Why's he not pressing the goalkeeper.
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Buendia is magic.
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Buendia looking really good now, we really need a goal in this spell before they get a foot on it and kill the momentum.
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Our strikers aren't scoring this evening
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Fuckin'ell Hause Pinging a great ball out to Digne, Koemanesque
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Much better - we just don’t seem to be able to score this season
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Buendia been awesome since 30mins
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Coutinho, do it, that extra thing in the final third is what's missing.
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Two strikers on and we don't look close to finishing anything.
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Ings very static
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Ings. Lazy aul bollix
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Cash needs to go.
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Cash needs to go.
That was awful
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Buendia been awesome since 30mins
SG will take him off
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Ings. Lazy aul bollix
What do Gerrard and his team see? I can't see a cunning plan to be honest.
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Our strikers aren't scoring this eveningthis season
fixed
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Looking better this half. Impressed with Digne, Sanson and Buendia.
Ings off for Coutinho I think although Wtakins still looks like he wants too much time but of the two, I'd keep him on.
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Cash needs to go.
Would like to see Hayden given a chance sooner rather than later.
That was awful
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How is that not a foul in Jacob?
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Danny Ings is a good striker. Until he rocks up at the Villa.
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It's insane they didn't give that. Oh wait, it's completely normal!
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How is that not a foul in Jacob?
For the same reason that our goal wasn't given last weekend. They are Yanited and we are Villa. No other reason.
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Buendia really is turning into a great player
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When are we being ‘var’d’ today?
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Surprise, surprise, no free kick for that foul on Ramsey.
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I’m shaking myself apart. Good game! Apart from the obvious.
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Fernandes is a twat. Somebody clatter him again. Twat.
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Lovely by luiz on Bruno
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Buendia looking masterful tonight, hopefully more of this kind of performance from now on in.
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Surprise, surprise, no free kick for that foul on Ramsey.
Would have been given up the other end.
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Come on boys..please. score..ffs
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Fernandes is a twat. Somebody clatter him again. Twat.
Luiz heard you
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All this time with Ings on is wasted time ffs.
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Game over.
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Coutinho coming on. Got to be for Ings who has been really poor again.
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That looked like a stamp by Luiz.
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Ffs yet another mistake
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Fuck off
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Fucking ******. Useless
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Shit and shit again.
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Too ponderous with the substitutions again and the tie is over
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Just as we’re getting back in the game.
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Totally deserved. We've been awful
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Idiotic.
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I give up.
On top, Coutinho about to come on and we set up their clinching second.
Game over.
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Fucking done with it. Three straight league defeats. Fuck me
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Too ponderous with the substitutions again and the tie is over
Exactly
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Totally deserved. We've been awful
We’ve been very good second half.
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Two bad errors from dependable players. United are still, without any doubt, the luckiest fuckers in the entire world.
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I fucking hate these ******.
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Absolute scum. He was dead 5 mins earlier. Game over. Can we void this fixture from now on?
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game over - typical.
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Hate this match up so much.
Just play 37 games next season.
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We are absolutely fucking ourselves tonight.
Bruno is, without doubt, the biggest quack in the league. Fucking clown.
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Ah well, we looked OK for a bit. The wait goes on..
We've given them 2 goals, fucking shocking.
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So, all that is left is for anybody, everybody to clatter that ****** Fernandes
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What the fuck is wrong with this team?
It doesn't matter how well we play at times. We are constantly able to completely fuck things up.
How many times do we make terrible individual errors in games?
It is grindingly shit. Inexcusable.
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Man Utd are C**ts
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FFS.
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Coutinho coming on. Got to be for Ings who has been really poor again.
Ings is a finisher and a good one but nothing more. If he isn't scoring he isn't contributing.
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Ah well, we looked OK for a bit. The wait goes on..
We've given them 2 goals, fucking shocking.
Team is simply too nervous in this match up, constantly make mistakes even when not under pressure in games.
Fernandes needs a slap anyway.
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Fucking hell
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Get Archer on, damnit.
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Totally deserved. We've been awful
We’ve been very good second half.
Based on what? Loads of possession yes, but never looked like scoring
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No sympathy for Gerard. He had bags of time to change it.
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Hi Man Utd.
Welcome to VP. Here, have 3 points [again].
Enjoy your visit.
Aston Villa.
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What the fuck is wrong with this team?
It doesn't matter how well we play at times. We are constantly able to completely fuck things up.
How many times do we make terrible individual errors in games?
It is grindingly shit. Inexcusable.
Just two bad errors.
Even against average top half teams you'll get punished sooner or later.
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I can't believe he took Sanson off
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Totally deserved. We've been awful
We’ve been very good second half.
Based on what? Loads of possession yes, but never looked like scoring
We’ve not been awful. At all.
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All fart - no shit and mistakes.
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Too many stupid fucking mistakes in this team and I never want to see Ings and Watkins start a game together.
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We should sign Ben Mee just to fucking do Fernandes
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Now we're having to rush and constantly overhitting passes.
So frustrating this home game every season.
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I can't believe he took Sanson off
I can. He’s made this task much harder on his own in a single moment.
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I can't believe he took Sanson off
Should have been Ings. Shit subs Gerrard again
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This is exactly the same as the last 4 games - look good don’t take our chances and gift easy goals
Sick of this. They had this won before it kicked off - knew how we would play and out witted us.
Just not good enough
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We’ve all of a sudden gone very bad again at the back and can’t score in a brothel. This is a very bad combination. Need 35 points as soon as possible.
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Honestly, I'd rather play long ball that witness the fucking idiotic mistakes at the back.
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I can't believe he took Sanson off
Yes I thought that was strange as well. He's a played well apart from that ricket.
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I probably said it last time, and every time I see him, but I'd love someone to clatter that ugly cheating goofy rat.
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Spineless yet again.
Gerrard has a lot to do to convince me he isn't just a flash in the pan, this is woeful.
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We ain’t scoring this side of Easter.
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This is exactly the same as the last 4 games - look good don’t take our chances and gift easy goals
Sick of this. They had this won before it kicked off - knew how we would play and out witted us.
Just not good enough
We can keep trotting out excuses. Oh, we played well. Oh, we looked good at times.
It doesn't matter. We have lost more games than Newcastle.
We are a bottom 6 team for a reason.
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FUCKING PASS THE BALL WATKINS!
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Thought when we said him Ollie was a fantastic technical forward.
Now he just runs into so many blind alleys it's untrue.
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Ings is off. 76 minutes of nothing.
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Go on
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I never want to see Ings and Watkins in the same eleven again.
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Why is he persisting with Ings and Watkins playing together? It clearly does not work.
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Jesus Christ. We look at times superb but we’re missing the last ingredient in the final third.
Frustrating night across the board.
We’re being sucked into it again aren’t we?
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His heading is awful aswell.
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Yesssss jj
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If we're going to keep playing Ings and Watkins together all the time, we might as well have kept Dean Smith.
Sorry to bang on about this, but it's really fucking getting my goat.
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VAR rule it out!
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Watkins looks as bad as Rashford did in the cup game
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Need as proper striker next
Great goal.
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Yesss
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COME ON VILLAAAAAAAA
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Get the fuck in!
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Get the f*ck in!
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Ings goes off and what happens.
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I was on the transfer thread when that happened.
So there’s a random JJ on there. Sorry all!
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Beautiful goal, no more gifts please and we've got a sniff.
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Why is he persisting with Ings and Watkins playing together? It clearly does not work.
Price tags.
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YEEESSSSS
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JaaaaaaAa
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YEEESSSSS
Either this is really delayed or really advanced. I don’t know which.
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Ommmmmmmmmggggggg get in!!!!!
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Fabulous goal, what a finish by JJ.
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Brilliant
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GET THE FUCK IN!!!
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Get in Villa!
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Another absolutely beautiful goal
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Coutinho!!! A debit goal! Brilliant!
May we never play Ings and Watkins together again
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Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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GET Innnnnnnnn!!!!!!
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Coutinho!!! A debit goal! Brilliant!
JJ gets a lot of the credit though...
Either way, the goal's a capital one.
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Quality by Buendia and Ramsey
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yyyyesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take that you scumbags!!!!
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Fantastic from Ramsey. Brilliant from Coutinho.
Come on!!
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Never ever play Ings and Watkins ever again. Never again.
So much more fluid up front!
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They are there for the taking Villa, come on!
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How many times have we been 2-0 up ending up losing 2-3?
Is it our turn?
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Chucky ar lá
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Blimey! Go for a shower at 0-2, now this!
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Blimey! Go for a shower at 0-2, now this!
Go. Back. Now
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Chucks good - would be great if we could keep him
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Bin two out and out forwards and we're going to be very entertaining to watch for next four months.
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Coutinho is blowing out of his arse. Needs a pre-season etc.
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Bin two out and out forwards and we're going to be very entertaining to watch for next four months.
It’s not rocket science at all. 5 in midfield just works. That or two very hard working wingers making it a 4-5-1 to a 4-3-3
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Stupid dance twat coming on. Please don't let him score, Villa
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Martinez jumping in the crowd when we equalised was brilliant.
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Hope we don't see Watkins and Ings together again - both Smith and Gerrard have tried and it simply does not work
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Matic should be off. Elbow first.
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What on earth just happened to Sky!?!
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What on earth just happened to Sky!?!
Yep my coverage cut to an ad break….strange.
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That has to be second yellow for Matic surely.
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Anyone else's sky gone to adverts?????
WTF???
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Why do players wear bras these days? I remember the bad old days of the snood but this is a new development.
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I go for a pee and we equalise. Trying for another
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Yeah had to change to Ss Premier league
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What on earth just happened to Sky!?!
Yep my coverage cut to an ad break….strange.
They can’t cope with what’s happening. It’s not in their script and it means they’ll have to talk about Villa. So scrambling around to do some quick research
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Here we go...
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Anyone else's sky gone to adverts?????
WTF???
I don’t recall that happening for Chelsea vs Liverpool
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Full time. Great comeback
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Have it!
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Imagine if we didn't give them 2 free goals
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Relieved. Great comeback, I just wish we could’ve gone 3-2 like they’ve done to us so many years.
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I felt we could get something. Thank you boys.