Post by: Ad@m on January 09, 2022, 06:33:16 PM
I know nothing about him other than he plays left back. Is he an upgrade on Target?
Post by: LukeJames on January 09, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2022, 06:37:06 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 09, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 06:38:36 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2022, 06:39:07 PM
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2022, 06:40:59 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 09, 2022, 06:42:05 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 06:42:27 PM
I don't know why Chelsea would want to block the pathway of the 17 year old kid that played for them last night. The kid looks like he'll be quality.
They do seem reluctant to give their kids a chance don't they?
Post by: nordenvillain on January 09, 2022, 06:43:08 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 09, 2022, 06:44:51 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 09, 2022, 06:45:12 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2022, 06:47:36 PM
My best mate is an Everton fan and has just texted to say that if we buy him that’s our friendship over!
Did you text him back to tell him to act in a more digne-fied manner?
Post by: Ad@m on January 09, 2022, 06:49:47 PM
Looked good in the 2-0 victory we had at VP in August 2019. BUT Benitez has dropped him because of his attitude which appears poor at best. We don't need players who think they're bigger than the club.
He's apparently told Everton he's got zero interest in going to Newcastle so at least he's not a mercenary. Sounds like someone razor-focused on winning as he's only interested in clubs who are either in Europe already or can get there soon, so probably fits the attitude profile Gerrard is looking for.
Post by: Smithy on January 09, 2022, 06:54:54 PM
I guess in a game where attacking full-backs are so important these days, and where the good ones are mentioned a LOT, I guess I'm surprised I've not heard him talked about more often? When you think "good attacking left-backs in the premier league" you think Robertson, Chilwell, Alonso, Shaw, Tierney. If you asked me to name the top left-backs in the premier league I'm not sure I would even mention him.
I hope it's just because I'm woefully ill-informed about the players from other teams.
Post by: Wilfred the Hairy on January 09, 2022, 06:57:10 PM
And he's already scored for us this season.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2022, 06:59:47 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 09, 2022, 07:05:35 PM
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2022, 07:05:54 PM
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2022, 07:06:39 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2022, 07:06:54 PM
He looked excellent for Everton before Benitez got hold of him.
That’s every Everton player
Post by: villadelph on January 09, 2022, 07:07:14 PM
Didn’t expect to see a dedicated thread already
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 09, 2022, 07:08:57 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 07:25:24 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 09, 2022, 07:47:09 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 09, 2022, 07:49:33 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 09, 2022, 07:51:45 PM
He’s an excellent footballer. This is a massive upgrade on Matt. And I’m a fan of Matt Targett.agreed
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2022, 07:57:23 PM
Not sure this is what we need. Someone stronger defensively is the order of the day for me. We have attacking talent, we need to sure up a bit. If we were sticking with the 5-3-2 fair enough but not in a 4 which us clearly Gerrards favoured formation.
Have you not watched our games since he’s taken over? Our full backs are so high up the field so their roles are very different to when Smith was here.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 09, 2022, 08:01:10 PM
Not sure this is what we need. Someone stronger defensively is the order of the day for me. We have attacking talent, we need to sure up a bit. If we were sticking with the 5-3-2 fair enough but not in a 4 which us clearly Gerrards favoured formation.
Have you not watched our games since he’s taken over? Our full backs are so high up the field so their roles are very different to when Smith was here.
Season Ticket holder. Sorry my opinion on a potential signing differs to yours.
Post by: TonyD on January 09, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Post by: Scovilla on January 09, 2022, 08:10:16 PM
UTV.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2022, 08:15:51 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 09, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
I am slightly concerned however, about the increasing age profile of our signings. I wouldn’t want us to go down the MON route.
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2022, 08:17:15 PM
A sample of their dissatisfaction: "Absolutely f**king hate Villa. C**ts"
Very articulate these Geordies, don't you think?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 09, 2022, 08:18:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2022, 08:21:50 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 09, 2022, 08:27:40 PM
Good player but there is talk of a bust up which is not ideal. We’ll see, but I’d be happy to see him sign.
Think this seems wide of the mark. Reading Everton’s forum, he’s been an ultimate professional and then Benetez takes against him and throws him under the bus. But then they don’t really have much time for Benetez up there!
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 09, 2022, 08:40:50 PM
Good player but there is talk of a bust up which is not ideal. We’ll see, but I’d be happy to see him sign.
Think this seems wide of the mark. Reading Everton’s forum, he’s been an ultimate professional and then Benetez takes against him and throws him under the bus. But then they don’t really have much time for Benetez up there!
Paellardyce, as I've seen him described.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 09, 2022, 08:42:35 PM
Do worry slightly about us signing 2 players approaching 30 though and both on large wages.
Suppose a bit more experience won't hurt.
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2022, 08:43:24 PM
Not sure this is what we need. Someone stronger defensively is the order of the day for me. We have attacking talent, we need to sure up a bit. If we were sticking with the 5-3-2 fair enough but not in a 4 which us clearly Gerrards favoured formation.
Have you not watched our games since he’s taken over? Our full backs are so high up the field so their roles are very different to when Smith was here.
Season Ticket holder. Sorry my opinion on a potential signing differs to yours.
I’m not on about opinions, just the way we play. So far I haven’t seen any evidence our manager wants our fullbacks to do a lot of defending. We’re not playing the traditional 532 with wingbacks but 4 across the back but with very, very advanced full backs with the midfield tucking in. If it was about defence Targett is actually a very good defender.
Post by: Shrek on January 09, 2022, 08:44:01 PM
He is defo an improvement on Targett attacking wise, let’s hope he can defend as well.
Post by: London Villan on January 09, 2022, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 09, 2022, 09:01:31 PM
Think he's good going forward, but not so hot defensively.
We're not going to need to defend with the attacking talent we are amassing.
Post by: manic-road on January 09, 2022, 09:08:49 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2022, 09:12:26 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 09, 2022, 09:12:31 PM
Good player but there is talk of a bust up which is not ideal. We’ll see, but I’d be happy to see him sign.
Think this seems wide of the mark. Reading Everton’s forum, he’s been an ultimate professional and then Benetez takes against him and throws him under the bus. But then they don’t really have much time for Benetez up there!
Paellardyce, as I've seen him described.
That's marvellous.
Football humour, at times, it's the absolute best.
Post by: brontebilly on January 09, 2022, 09:15:45 PM
Hope we sign Digne, an upgrade on Targett for sure. Can see him and Coutinho linking up well on the left.
There isn't much evidence he is better than Targett over the last 18 months.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 09, 2022, 09:24:35 PM
To be fair, targetts best games were when there was loads of space in front of him created by the rat.
Yes, it’s something I’d come to realise considering he was voted by some as our player of the season last season (which I thought was OTT despite his improvement on the season before), and the fact that this season he’s been pretty mediocre. Grealish occupied a lot of opponents on that side making life a lot easier for him.
Anyway I’m sure Digne will be an improvement and I’m not too worried about the age as full backs often go on well into their 30s if they look after themselves.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2022, 09:30:35 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 09, 2022, 09:37:23 PM
It looks like we mean business (despite me never watching other teams unless they're playing us, so I have no idea whether he's any good).
Well that’s brilliant. I’m the same.
Please put some more effort into it.
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2022, 09:42:19 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 09, 2022, 09:49:00 PM
Ha! You will be aware that 'digne' means exactly that in French!My best mate is an Everton fan and has just texted to say that if we buy him that’s our friendship over!
Did you text him back to tell him to act in a more digne-fied manner?
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2022, 09:57:03 PM
Could he be the one to break the curse of the French player at Aston Villa?
Well done. You’ve gone and well and truly fuck things now.
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2022, 10:00:09 PM
Post by: andyh on January 09, 2022, 10:03:06 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 09, 2022, 10:04:04 PM
Is there a touch of Staunton with Digne?
Nowhere near as good a left peg but quicker.
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 10:07:25 PM
Good player but there is talk of a bust up which is not ideal. We’ll see, but I’d be happy to see him sign.
Think this seems wide of the mark. Reading Everton’s forum, he’s been an ultimate professional and then Benetez takes against him and throws him under the bus. But then they don’t really have much time for Benetez up there!
Paellardyce, as I've seen him described.
I think he wants Digne to get forward less and stand behind the keeper in open play, such is the defensive nature of Rafa. They also need to raise a few quid but the way Rafa has spoken about Digne, hopefully the price will come down a bit as he clearly wants him gone.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 09, 2022, 10:16:23 PM
We have to upgrade the fullbacks to play the way SG wants to play.
This is the salient point here
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 09, 2022, 10:19:06 PM
Could he be the one to break the curse of the French player at Aston Villa?
Not a chance if you read the first few pages of this season at Everton Clicky (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/lucas-digne.113264/)
Post by: darren woolley on January 09, 2022, 10:19:38 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 09, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Aston Villa have been working for days to sign Lucas Digne. They've always been frontrunners - Chelsea out of the race 🇫🇷 #AVFC
Talks on, not 100% agreed yet between clubs. El Ghazi also been discussed - nothing agreed on this point as Everton want cash. Next week will be key.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 09, 2022, 11:08:31 PM
I think if we sign him we'll sell Targett in the summer while his value is still reasonably high and get a younger LB in.
Post by: The Edge on January 09, 2022, 11:18:36 PM
I think he will be a good signing for us I trust in Steven Gerrard's transfer business.This is where I'm at. SG and his staff know exactly how they want us to play and they will know exactly what they want from an attacking wide player. Digne obviously ticks all the boxes.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 09, 2022, 11:30:18 PM
He takes great set pieces and played effectively as a wing back as well so can get up and down the pitch.
Lacks the discipline for me but then Gerrard doesn't mind that as he's a fiesty so and so and will get bookings but he's quality and this is unbelievable if not great in short term gains
Now I think we are starting to see the quality needed to be top half.
Makes me wonder if this move would have materialised previously and is something that has been considered recently rather than long term strategy of following Lucas Digne to sign him
The improvement for me is ten fold for how Villa play under Gerrard. Target is ok but he never in same bracket and would never be considered for France would he?!
Great times !
Up the Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2022, 11:45:33 PM
He's lost his way in recent times but always been a solid FB. Think he started for France in last round of internationals.
I think if we sign him we'll sell Targett in the summer while his value is still reasonably high and get a younger LB in.
Surely we should have two excellent FB’s on each side. While he got close, Targett isn’t an international yet. He’s at a very good PL club that, if successful will play many more games. We will need a quality back up. I expect Freddie to be gone, with AEG, Trez, Hause and one or two others.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 09, 2022, 11:47:59 PM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Aston Villa have been working for days to sign Lucas Digne. They've always been frontrunners - Chelsea out of the race 🇫🇷 #AVFC
Talks on, not 100% agreed yet between clubs. El Ghazi also been discussed - nothing agreed on this point as Everton want cash. Next week will be key.
Everton want Matty Cash ?
They can have him if we get suitable upgrade.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 10, 2022, 12:11:29 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 10, 2022, 01:11:19 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 10, 2022, 01:57:26 AM
Post by: steamer on January 10, 2022, 05:17:19 AM
But what did he do to piss off Benitez, also played 30 games for Barca and 30 for ?, not a sticker then.
Post by: sid1964 on January 10, 2022, 06:48:32 AM
It seems as though this summer will be another of a few signings and quite a few leaving
Post by: PhilVill on January 10, 2022, 06:54:11 AM
Post by: nigel on January 10, 2022, 08:03:21 AM
He's lost his way in recent times but always been a solid FB. Think he started for France in last round of internationals.
I think if we sign him we'll sell Targett in the summer while his value is still reasonably high and get a younger LB in.
I wonder if that’s where Hickey fits in?
Matt T moves on (which would be a shame) and we get Ztwo new L backs
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 08:11:06 AM
Post by: john e on January 10, 2022, 08:23:04 AM
he will be better in certain areas and not as good in others
I also think Target Will become more appreciated when he’s not there anymore
Post by: cdward on January 10, 2022, 08:31:07 AM
The simplicity of this it that Gerard needs high intensity, quick full backs that will get goals and assists. Targett is a player I have huge admiration for, but he is not that man sadly. He isn't quick enough, and is not consistent enough going forward. Robertson and Alexander Arnold are the aim here, Digne is, in form, probably only a step down from that. On the right side, I am pretty confident that should Cash not improve his final ball, he will be fairly swiftly moved out too. Gerrard needs the output on both sides to be better.
KKH being recalled from his loan at Swindon will be putting heat on Cash to perform.
Post by: The Edge on January 10, 2022, 08:38:55 AM
The simplicity of this it that Gerard needs high intensity, quick full backs that will get goals and assists. Targett is a player I have huge admiration for, but he is not that man sadly. He isn't quick enough, and is not consistent enough going forward. Robertson and Alexander Arnold are the aim here, Digne is, in form, probably only a step down from that. On the right side, I am pretty confident that should Cash not improve his final ball, he will be fairly swiftly moved out too. Gerrard needs the output on both sides to be better.I agree on both counts. Targett is a decent solid lb but has consistency issues. Cash is also decent and has a lot more pace than Targett and has a better engine. But it's been said for some time now that for all his pace and attacking threat he can be annoyingly wasteful with his crossing. He needs to learn to look up before he fires the ball into the box. Sounds easy but some players just can't manage that and for me it's what turns good players into great ones. Hopefully Matty can learn this because I really do like him.
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 08:43:31 AM
I’m all for Digne coming in but I don’t think it’s the big upgrade people think but there’s nothing wrong in having good options in all positions
he will be better in certain areas and not as good in others
I also think Target Will become more appreciated when he’s not there anymore
I agree. Targett but for a couple of lapses (Watford opening day) is generally a fairly solid left back. The issue with him is the attacking output, but my fear is you put a less accomplished defender on the left, Mings is more exposed. Unless you get the holding midfielder right, which could cover a multitude of sins.
Post by: enigma on January 10, 2022, 08:50:37 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 09:15:51 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2022, 09:17:31 AM
Happy with this signing. He's an upgrade on Targett and bang in his prime. We need to get past the idea that players are over the hill once they reach 30. That hasn't been the case for a long time now. Players are playing at the top for a lot longer than they ever have before. Besides Even if we only get four years out of him that's about the average you tend to get no matter their age before they move on.
Teddy Sheringham, Dean Windass and of course, Sir Stanley Matthews would all argue against you... 😉
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 10, 2022, 10:27:51 AM
Post by: Nev on January 10, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
Post by: LukeJames on January 10, 2022, 11:23:14 AM
Anyway its a good sign that they're pissed off that he's leaving and taking one of our current direct rivals better players is a huge plus for us.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 11:25:34 AM
Post by: ursineultra on January 10, 2022, 11:29:30 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 10, 2022, 11:30:59 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2022, 11:33:29 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 11:34:36 AM
Very exciting. But I don't think it will be a great window if we don't get an excellent DM. I still think a Bissouma type (without the sex pestery bit) should be our No 1 priority.
Yep.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2022, 11:37:43 AM
Lucas Digne from Everton to Villa not as advanced as has been suggested. Villa have an interest and Steven Gerrard is an admirer but they have yet to table any bid & Digne's wages could still be an issue. Very much on Villa's radar but not a done deal by any stage as yet.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 10, 2022, 11:47:08 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2022, 12:46:29 PM
The simplicity of this it that Gerard needs high intensity, quick full backs that will get goals and assists. Targett is a player I have huge admiration for, but he is not that man sadly. He isn't quick enough, and is not consistent enough going forward. Robertson and Alexander Arnold are the aim here, Digne is, in form, probably only a step down from that.
From what I've read Digne isn't quick and as you rightly point out, he'll only be an upgrade IF he can return to form. He can however cross a ball, something sadly missing from Targett's game.
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
The simplicity of this it that Gerard needs high intensity, quick full backs that will get goals and assists. Targett is a player I have huge admiration for, but he is not that man sadly. He isn't quick enough, and is not consistent enough going forward. Robertson and Alexander Arnold are the aim here, Digne is, in form, probably only a step down from that.
From what I've read Digne isn't quick and as you rightly point out, he'll only be an upgrade IF he can return to form. He can however cross a ball, something sadly missing from Targett's game.
He's scored some pretty good free kicks too.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2022, 12:57:09 PM
Ideally he would have been quicker though, until Bailey returns we have very little pace in the team.
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2022, 12:57:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2022, 12:59:17 PM
Coutinho and Digne will be arguing over the freekicks. Ashley Young may have a word too if he's on at the same time.One left footed and one right, so could compliment eachother well.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 10, 2022, 01:18:05 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2022, 01:22:44 PM
Stats for assists by defenders in the PL in 20/21
1 Aaron Cresswell West Ham United England 8
2 Trent Alexander-Arnold Liverpool England 7
2 Vladimir Coufal West Ham United Czech Republic 7
2 Lucas Digne Everton France 7
2 Andrew Robertson Liverpool Scotland 7
6 Ben Chilwell Chelsea England 5
6 Luke Shaw Manchester United England 5
Stats for assists by defenders in the PL in 19/20
1 Trent Alexander-Arnold Liverpool England 13
2 Andrew Robertson Liverpool Scotland 12
3 Lucas Digne Everton France 7
4 César Azpilicueta Chelsea Spain 6
5 Serge Aurier - Cote D’Ivoire 5
6 Erik Pieters Burnley Netherlands 4
Take a look if you're interested.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist
Post by: chrisw1 on January 10, 2022, 01:27:13 PM
1 Trent Alexander-Arnold Liverpool England 14
2 Aaron Cresswell West Ham United England 12
3 Lucas Digne Everton France 11
3 Andrew Robertson Liverpool Scotland 11
5 Vladimir Coufal West Ham United Czech Republic 9
6 João Cancelo Manchester City Portugal 8
Big chances created by defenders in the PL in 19/20
1 Trent Alexander-Arnold Liverpool England 18
2 Andrew Robertson Liverpool Scotland 14
3 Enda Stevens Sheffield United Ireland 9
4 César Azpilicueta Chelsea Spain 8
4 Lucas Digne Everton France 8
4 Matt Targett Aston Villa England 8
7 Max Aarons Norwich City England 7
8 João Cancelo Manchester City Portugal 6
8 Reece James Chelsea England 6
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2022, 01:37:43 PM
One thing we've lacked since Ashley Westwood left is a decent pointer. Can Digne point?
Also, can we bring back the annoying floaty corners Westwood used to deliver for us?
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2022, 01:39:31 PM
One thing we've lacked since Ashley Westwood left is a decent pointer. Can Digne point?
Also, can we bring back the annoying floaty corners Westwood used to deliver for us?
They were the right kind of corners, just at the wrong time for the wrong team.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 10, 2022, 01:54:28 PM
One thing we've lacked since Ashley Westwood left is a decent pointer. Can Digne point?
Also, can we bring back the annoying floaty corners Westwood used to deliver for us?
They were the right kind of corners, just at the wrong time for the wrong team.
Let's not forget those Cornalty's either.
Post by: cannock villa on January 10, 2022, 02:08:27 PM
One thing we've lacked since Ashley Westwood left is a decent pointer. Can Digne point?Have you not seen Mings play
Post by: enigma on January 10, 2022, 02:35:14 PM
Hmmm. They hate Rafa so anyone who falls out with him is gonna be flavour of the month.To be fair, he's been there years without a hint of any trouble until Rafa pitches up there.
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2022, 03:02:06 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 10, 2022, 03:11:54 PM
Also, I actually think that Targett's delivery in the attacking third is BETTER than Cash's - Lost count the amount of times that I've been screaming at him for yet another shite ball in! Quite surprising considering he used to play as a winger in his early days at Forest?
Post by: lovejoy on January 10, 2022, 03:28:23 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 10, 2022, 03:34:17 PM
For all the talk of getting an upgrade on Targett, I'd question whether Matty Cash is any better? He comes out well in stats, but when you watch the matches live, he always seems far too exposed.
Also, I actually think that Targett's delivery in the attacking third is BETTER than Cash's - Lost count the amount of times that I've been screaming at him for yet another shite ball in! Quite surprising considering he used to play as a winger in his early days at Forest?
He was a crap winger at Forest that by near accident got played at right back and has never looked back. Cash generally gets exposed as he pushes forward but has little support on the right side which often leaves us open.
Targett's crossing is shocking if he's given time to think. He can have acres of space and he struggles to get the ball in the box. Push the ball down close to the line where his only option is to cross and he generally delivers. I'd say Targett is the better defender, Cash better in attack although his crossing of late has been very hit and miss.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 10, 2022, 03:36:06 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Hmmm. They hate Rafa so anyone who falls out with him is gonna be flavour of the month.To be fair, he's been there years without a hint of any trouble until Rafa pitches up there.
yeah i'm not entirely sure Rafa hasn't engineered the falling out because he wants money to spend elsewhere but no Everton fan is ever going to take his side in a dispute however much a twat the player is
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 10, 2022, 03:40:40 PM
Cash has a clear advantage over Targett, in that he doesn't run like his shoes are made of lead.
Agreed re. fitness.... But does he fit Gerrard's marauding wingback needs? I'd say his crossing has been abysmal for a large amount of time - The whole of this season especially. Has he even managed an assist from a cross this season? He find's himself in acres of space, but either hits the first man or balloons it over to the other side of the 18 yard box. He's been dreadful in an attacking sense imo.
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2022, 03:43:56 PM
Post by: darren woolley on January 10, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 10, 2022, 04:02:37 PM
But if he signs he will be one of the signings of the season and would strengthen us no end. If he signs and coutinho hits the ground running and signs permanently in the summer then we are 1 dm, 1cb and 1 right back away from having the omplete squad I think. We have 2 strikers who are top class, the best keeper in the league or in the top 2 at least. 2 very decent center backs but would like to have another on board and we are stacked in midfield except for the dm position.
Would any of us have dared to dream of being in this position the day rat boy left?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 10, 2022, 04:03:29 PM
I think he will do well you don't play for teams like PSG and Barcelona and get over forty caps for France if you are rubbish I like the fact he's an experienced left back who doesn't need to get used to the PL.
Matty cash? Thought he played for Poland.
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
But if he signs he will be one of the signings of the season and would strengthen us no end. If he signs and coutinho hits the ground running and signs permanently in the summer then we are 1 dm, 1cb and 1 right back away from having the omplete squad I think. We have 2 strikers who are top class, the best keeper in the league or in the top 2 at least. 2 very decent center backs but would like to have another on board and we are stacked in midfield except for the dm position.
Would any of us have dared to dream of being in this position the day rat boy left?
I'm not convinced we do have 2 strikers who are top class. We have one who is a bit hit and miss, and one who does a lot of running, and gets into good positions, but almost invariably takes one touch too many.
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2022, 04:13:28 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2022, 04:15:44 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.I reckon if Rafa cooks him a tapas dinner at his place he will have him bit by bit.
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2022, 04:16:37 PM
Whilst all those attacking stats are good Digne is currently ranked 46th in the most important stat for a defender of intervention/tackles won.
Where we’re going we won’t need defensive stats.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 10, 2022, 04:17:15 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
But if he signs he will be one of the signings of the season and would strengthen us no end. If he signs and coutinho hits the ground running and signs permanently in the summer then we are 1 dm, 1cb and 1 right back away from having the omplete squad I think. We have 2 strikers who are top class, the best keeper in the league or in the top 2 at least. 2 very decent center backs but would like to have another on board and we are stacked in midfield except for the dm position.
Would any of us have dared to dream of being in this position the day rat boy left?
I'm not convinced we do have 2 strikers who are top class. We have one who is a bit hit and miss, and one who does a lot of running, and gets into good positions, but almost invariably takes one touch too many.
Well I do think they are top class. Not world class/superstars but name a team in the prem with a stronger 2 strikers for 1 position? Watkins does take to many touches but I think he won't need to with better balls coming in. Ings will thrive if we get the real coutinho and may end up as first choice poacher rather than ollie trying to do it all himself.
If we make the 3 singing mentioned in my post above next summer we will only be buying players to go straight into the first team and would be the first time in a very long time I had no idea how to easily upgrade the squad and a very nice position to be in
Post by: mallo on January 10, 2022, 04:19:03 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 04:25:53 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 10, 2022, 04:31:46 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 10, 2022, 05:26:21 PM
I also think that Cash is quicker and more athletic so Gerrard probably thinks he’s got more to work with and more chance of turning him into the player he requires.
Post by: Smithy on January 10, 2022, 05:52:47 PM
Targett became a perfect foil for Grealish, they had a tremendous understanding. He looks a bit lost these days when he gets forward.
I feel a bit sorry for Targett. His first year with us he clearly struggled (as many did), but he grew into his role much better after lockdown #1 and into last season. However, the role he learned so well was the "full-back playing behind Jack Grealish" role, and that's not what's needed any more.
Considering how well he 'learned' his last role and improved so much, I believe he has the footballing intelligence to 'learn' how the role should be played under Gerrard - the difficulty is, I think he's lacking a couple of physical attributes to be really good in Gerrard's system. You can't learn to be 'quicker' or more agile. But I'm perfectly happy to have him compete with a new left-back as Gerrard's team continues to take shape. He's got enough credit in the bank with me for that.
Post by: rougegorge on January 10, 2022, 06:11:47 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
I don't remember us signing Stanley Unwin ;) , but he was a deep thinker when it came to football matters...
"This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball… take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido… so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best."
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 10, 2022, 06:16:26 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
I don't remember us signing Stanley Unwin ;) , but he was a deep thinker when it came to football matters...
"This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball… take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido… so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best."
This has to be the best response to a spelling error ever and such a uniquely h&v response hahaha
I was referring to Unsworth for those younger one who were thinking I was crackers haha
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2022, 06:20:13 PM
I hope so. Those stats are usually higher for defenders playing in struggling teams just like goalkeepers with their saves from bottom 3.Whilst all those attacking stats are good Digne is currently ranked 46th in the most important stat for a defender of intervention/tackles won.
Where we’re going we won’t need defensive stats.
Post by: Clive W on January 10, 2022, 06:31:57 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
I don't remember us signing Stanley Unwin ;) , but he was a deep thinker when it came to football matters...
"This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball… take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido… so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best."
Deep joy
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 10, 2022, 06:50:03 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
properly excellent
I don't remember us signing Stanley Unwin ;) , but he was a deep thinker when it came to football matters...
"This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball… take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido… so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best."
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 06:51:51 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 10, 2022, 06:51:55 PM
I hope so. Those stats are usually higher for defenders playing in struggling teams just like goalkeepers with their saves from bottom 3.Whilst all those attacking stats are good Digne is currently ranked 46th in the most important stat for a defender of intervention/tackles won.
Where we’re going we won’t need defensive stats.
He was 20th for tackles and 40th odd for regaining possession. The attacking stats were excellent though, keep Targett for those times we need to sit back a bit.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2022, 07:12:00 PM
People seems to be rowing backwards quite swiftly on this one today. Maybe the early thread was the curse of H&V
Need to think about punishments if it doesn’t come off. Revoking golden muppet status and a ban from starting new topics for 6 months?! 😉
Post by: CT Villan on January 10, 2022, 07:13:40 PM
Excellent work !
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 10, 2022, 07:18:03 PM
People seems to be rowing backwards quite swiftly on this one today. Maybe the early thread was the curse of H&V
Need to think about punishments if it doesn’t come off. Revoking golden muppet status and a ban from starting new topics for 6 months?! 😉
And 'I Love Boris Johnson!' as his signature for 6 months. ;)
Post by: algy on January 10, 2022, 07:25:31 PM
Loud applause.If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
I don't remember us signing Stanley Unwin ;) , but he was a deep thinker when it came to football matters...
"This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball… take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido… so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best."
Post by: Ad@m on January 10, 2022, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: Legion on January 10, 2022, 11:02:30 PM
If he signs and I'll believe it when I see it. Expecting a last min change of heart not quite unwin esq but you never know.
I don't remember us signing Stanley Unwin ;) , but he was a deep thinker when it came to football matters...
"This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball… take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido… so that the ball can falollop out to the wingers and a very fine trittly how in a run and kick and carry one and shooting in the goal if they can get by without an offsiger which is known on the ref and don't throw the bottload because he's only doing his best."
Ace. Applauds.
Post by: Ads on January 10, 2022, 11:11:33 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 10, 2022, 11:13:08 PM
Can see why we want him tonight. The room Targett found gimself in, but was unable to exploit shows the need for a dynamic, attacking full back and one with delivery too.
Targett is just a terrible crosses, hardly ever gets any elevation on his crosses and it just hits the first defender constantly.
Digne from what I remember does get plenty of crosses in, interested to know how many Calvert Lewin goals he's assisted in last two years.
Post by: LeonW on January 10, 2022, 11:15:53 PM
Can see why we want him tonight. The room Targett found gimself in, but was unable to exploit shows the need for a dynamic, attacking full back and one with delivery too.
Targett is just a terrible crosses, hardly ever gets any elevation on his crosses and it just hits the first defender constantly.
Digne from what I remember does get plenty of crosses in, interested to know how many Calvert Lewin goals he's assisted in last two years.
Targett tends to slow down the game even when he has time for a first time cross.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 10, 2022, 11:37:05 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2022, 12:24:03 PM
This has gone quiet......is the deal still on??
It's go gone to Stockley Park.
Post by: Lsvilla on January 11, 2022, 12:26:54 PM
This has gone quiet......is the deal still on??I’d be surprised if Everton let this complete before we play them.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 11, 2022, 01:22:25 PM
This has gone quiet......is the deal still on??I’d be surprised if Everton let this complete before we play them.
I thought that too. Everton have no incentive to complete this deal prior to 22nd January.
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2022, 01:33:50 PM
This has gone quiet......is the deal still on??I’d be surprised if Everton let this complete before we play them.
I thought that too. Everton have no incentive to complete this deal prior to 22nd January.
Yes they do. They need the money to spend, and Benitez wants him gone.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 11, 2022, 01:37:51 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 01:39:01 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 11, 2022, 01:56:08 PM
Post by: achilles on January 11, 2022, 02:16:59 PM
I thought our policy was signing younger players with potential sell on value?
I appreciate every rule can be broken, especially with the opportunity to sign Coutinho, who is a world class player but I am not keen on breaking it very often!
Post by: Ger Regan on January 11, 2022, 02:20:37 PM
Think we're just haggling over price, 25m is far too much. 15m ish more realistic.We paid around 13 million for Targett though, so i'd hope our replacement for him is markedly better than him. If the price reflects that, so be it.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 11, 2022, 04:31:32 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 11, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Reports saying a 22m fee agreed.Source?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 11, 2022, 04:39:20 PM
Reports saying a 22m fee agreed.Source?
http://www.thehardtackle.com/news/2022/01/11/transfer-news-aston-villa-agree-deal-to-sign-lucas-digne-2/
Not saying it's confirmed as it's not the BBC, Percy etc. but first time I've seen 22m mentioned as a fee.
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2022, 04:54:28 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 11, 2022, 05:11:32 PM
Think we're just haggling over price, 25m is far too much. 15m ish more realistic.We paid around 13 million for Targett though, so i'd hope our replacement for him is markedly better than him. If the price reflects that, so be it.
Age does get factored in to prices
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 05:20:00 PM
https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1480948116660670465?s=21
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2022, 05:42:23 PM
Perhaps Phil McNulty on BBC was right.
What was that mate?
Post by: robleflaneur on January 11, 2022, 05:46:47 PM
I think I would have preferred Hickey the Scottish lad as he is younger and has vast potential.We could sign both.I have a lot of respect for Targett but he would be a reserve if Digne signs.If Hickey replaces Targett,then he can also come on as an impact sub in matches.The problem would be selling that concept to
I thought our policy was signing younger players with potential sell on value?
I appreciate every rule can be broken, especially with the opportunity to sign Coutinho, who is a world class player but I am not keen on breaking it very often!
Hickey.
Post by: Keeno on January 11, 2022, 06:20:29 PM
I think I would have preferred Hickey the Scottish lad as he is younger and has vast potential.We could sign both.I have a lot of respect for Targett but he would be a reserve if Digne signs.If Hickey replaces Targett,then he can also come on as an impact sub in matches.The problem would be selling that concept to
I thought our policy was signing younger players with potential sell on value?
I appreciate every rule can be broken, especially with the opportunity to sign Coutinho, who is a world class player but I am not keen on breaking it very often!
Hickey.
Hickey's incredibly young. I'd like us to sign him but immediately loan him back to Bologna, where he's making a lot of first team apps in a good league, for the next 12-18 months - picking up Digne as well. Immediately solving both our short and longer term LB problems, and giving Targett a chance to fight for his place (which I think he deserves).
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2022, 06:24:57 PM
I think I would have preferred Hickey the Scottish lad as he is younger and has vast potential.We could sign both.I have a lot of respect for Targett but he would be a reserve if Digne signs.If Hickey replaces Targett,then he can also come on as an impact sub in matches.The problem would be selling that concept to
I thought our policy was signing younger players with potential sell on value?
I appreciate every rule can be broken, especially with the opportunity to sign Coutinho, who is a world class player but I am not keen on breaking it very often!
Hickey.
Hickey's incredibly young. I'd like us to sign him but immediately loan him back to Bologna, where he's making a lot of first team apps in a good league, for the next 12-18 months - picking up Digne as well. Immediately solving both our short and longer term LB problems, and giving Targett a chance to fight for his place (which I think he deserves).
This depends on where we see the development of players like Chrisene. If they think he's got a chance of making it at the top then a signing at left back today has to improve the squad immediately, not maybe be an option in 18months.
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2022, 06:27:18 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 06:35:36 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2022, 06:37:22 PM
Post by: frank black on January 11, 2022, 06:42:57 PM
Someone called Julien Maynard is tweeting an ‘agreement has been reached’ !?
Maybe lost in translation as his retweet says he would like to make an agreement
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
I like AEG. Stay AEG.
You make him sound like a conglomerate. We're a business...sell !
Post by: LukeJames on January 11, 2022, 07:02:57 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2022, 07:11:18 PM
If Everton take El-Ghazi as a £15m part of the deal then Purslow deserves a pint.
We value El Ghazi at £15m, they value digne at £25m (or whatever). Basically £10m transferring from us to them.
A good deal for both clubs as we’d both be moving a player (and wages) that are unlikely to be playing in the long term.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 11, 2022, 07:12:32 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 11, 2022, 07:13:33 PM
It doesn't actually. It says "Digne wants to leave, and reaches an agreement with Aston Villa."Someone called Julien Maynard is tweeting an ‘agreement has been reached’ !?
Maybe lost in translation as his retweet says he would like to make an agreement
If you watch the video that accompanies the tweet, Maynard expands on this saying that Digne has agreed terms with Villa and negotiations are taking place between Everton and our club.
Post by: mrfuse on January 11, 2022, 07:50:42 PM
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2022, 07:52:39 PM
John Percy
@JPercyTelegraph
· 1h
#avfc remain in talks with Everton tonight over a deal for left-back Lucas Digne. Getting closer. Unrelated to Digne, but Everton are trying to sign Villa winger Anwar El Ghazi. Villa value him at £15m #efc
Post by: mrfuse on January 11, 2022, 07:58:37 PM
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 11, 2022, 08:11:23 PM
Edit: sorry it's that Brazilian striker, whatshisname
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 11, 2022, 08:30:13 PM
Perhaps Phil McNulty on BBC was right.
Let's hope so. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59960019
I know you were referencing his other comments.
Post by: Richard E on January 11, 2022, 08:46:45 PM
Judging by the Blair Witch Project style video on Twitter it seems he's signed
Edit: sorry it's that Brazilian striker, whatshisname
Pele?
Post by: Gareth on January 11, 2022, 09:25:24 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2022, 09:28:36 PM
Sure Digne will be tomorrow’s news cycle story….keep them coming Villa :-)
Then Kerr Smith the day after.
Post by: TonyD on January 11, 2022, 10:10:42 PM
Post by: Legion on January 11, 2022, 10:14:12 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2022, 10:15:54 PM
Post by: Legion on January 11, 2022, 10:17:43 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 12, 2022, 10:28:48 AM
Post by: Ad@m on January 12, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
https://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/12476234/transfer-centre-live-no-new-pogba-contract-offer-since-last-summer?postid=3210836#liveblog-body
Post by: Villafirst on January 12, 2022, 10:29:55 AM
£25m fee agreed apparently.
Yes, just mentioned on TalkSport....
Post by: Villafirst on January 12, 2022, 10:34:48 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2022, 10:36:54 AM
Well done Villa, I was beginning to doubt for the first time back in the summer, but the manager change and subsequent signings have put me firmly back in the 'not-fucking-about-here' camp.
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2022, 10:53:19 AM
What happened to all those excuses we heard about getting players in January?
Well done Villa, I was beginning to doubt for the first time back in the summer, but the manager change and subsequent signings have put me firmly back in the 'not-fucking-about-here' camp.
I do wonder whether they wanted to see how stuff developed with Smith rather than throwing more money at it. And whether Gerrard was approached back then too.
Anyway, I'm happy with this deal. Another first team improvement.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 12, 2022, 10:55:23 AM
Anwar the other way will be good business especially if we get the reported £15 million. As much as I liked him I know he had his limitations in many areas.
Post by: lovejoy on January 12, 2022, 10:58:20 AM
Personally I wouldn't take Bissouma until off the field issues play out.
Post by: London Villan on January 12, 2022, 10:59:07 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 12, 2022, 11:06:35 AM
It's now clear they held back a lot of cash from Dean to see how things went...
I think it's fairly clear Dean wasn't in their long term plans. I'm sort of surprised that he was kept on for more than one season in the back in the prem. That may sound callous but if you're ambitious for success then you make decisions that are going to give you a better chance of that.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2022, 11:11:03 AM
It's now clear they held back a lot of cash from Dean to see how things went...
I think it's fairly clear Dean wasn't in their long term plans. I'm sort of surprised that he was kept on for more than one season in the back in the prem. That may sound callous but if you're ambitious for success then you make decisions that are going to give you a better chance of that.
I think you're right, but then the impressive start we made to last season would have made changed their mind. Then the way the season tailed off and the shit run this season did for him. Edens was apoplectic when the Wolves third went in, and I thought then that Smith was a dead man walking.
Post by: London Villan on January 12, 2022, 11:12:29 AM
More ruthless owners may have sacked him the summer we stayed up...
Oh well, interesting times.
Post by: lovejoy on January 12, 2022, 11:13:08 AM
For what its worth I respect the owners for giving Smith a fair crack at the premier league.
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2022, 11:19:07 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 12, 2022, 11:51:57 AM
It's easy to say in hindsight but really they should have brought Gerrard in last summer. Smith clearly didn't have full backing and Smith knew that if he didn't get us into Europe this season he would be looking for another job. I also watched Gary Neville's SoccerBox with Gerrard last night and they talked about when he nearly went to Chelsea and the reasons why he stayed. It reminded me of the Grealish situation and I wondered whether Gerrard may have convinced him to stay longer. Gerrard's formation would have also been better suited to Grealish with him playing as one of the two number 10's.
Did Gerrard mention the death threats in thge interview?
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2022, 12:07:46 PM
Post by: Gerrin on January 12, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
They're saying it's a 4 and a half year deal. Is that not quite long for a player who turns 29 in July.
finishes when he's 33, seems pretty reasonable, a lot of players are still going strong at that age, particularly defenders and players who aren't completely reliant on pace.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 12, 2022, 01:32:36 PM
They're saying it's a 4 and a half year deal. Is that not quite long for a player who turns 29 in July.
finishes when he's 33, seems pretty reasonable, a lot of players are still going strong at that age, particularly defenders and players who aren't completely reliant on pace.
I thought pace was one of his key attributes?
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2022, 01:34:35 PM
They're saying it's a 4 and a half year deal. Is that not quite long for a player who turns 29 in July.
finishes when he's 33, seems pretty reasonable, a lot of players are still going strong at that age, particularly defenders and players who aren't completely reliant on pace.
I thought pace was one of his key attributes?
maybe, but he's still a defender.
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2022, 01:39:42 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2022, 01:43:06 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 12, 2022, 01:45:48 PM
Yeah 12 days now and STILL no concrete DM link
12 days? Try 2 or 3 years. Let's hope this window we get it sorted.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 12, 2022, 01:50:12 PM
Yeah 12 days now and STILL no concrete DM link
Doesnt mean one is not in the works
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 01:51:38 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 12, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Yeah 12 days now and STILL no concrete DM link
Doesnt mean one is not in the works
You've got my attention, Vinnie. ;)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 12, 2022, 02:04:04 PM
Yeah 12 days now and STILL no concrete DM link
Doesnt mean one is not in the works
You've got my attention, Vinnie. ;)
And me, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more, more, more!
Post by: DrGonzo on January 12, 2022, 04:19:33 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 04:35:50 PM
Post by: Big Ming on January 12, 2022, 05:25:52 PM
Yeah, just a pity about the results so far. Sort them out too, Villa, please and thank you.
Yes. We have just lost three on the spin.
If it had been Deano we would have been getting a bit bolshie!
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 12, 2022, 05:45:25 PM
Yeah 12 days now and STILL no concrete DM linkRon Vlaar.
Concrete Ron.
Post by: LeonW on January 12, 2022, 05:50:59 PM
Yeah 12 days now and STILL no concrete DM linkRon Vlaar.
Concrete Ron.
Concrete Ron. What a joke. He wouldn't get into our youth team these days. Such was the paucity of our options in that period that he was turning out and Okore was supposed to be the seconding coming because Chelsea once briefly looked at him. Now we're signing Coutinho on loan with a perm option if we want it.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 12, 2022, 06:05:57 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 12, 2022, 06:09:27 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2022, 06:11:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2022, 06:15:52 PM
He’ll need a work permit as you can’t just waltz in your way to employment in the Midlands from North West.
Ermm Aftab, you do know that Brexit wasn't Brum leaving the UK? :-[
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 12, 2022, 06:31:23 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 12, 2022, 06:35:31 PM
I'm out so can't check ssn but we haven't announced it and I cant find it confirmed anywhere on the ssn app?
They ran it on the yellow ticker just after 6.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 12, 2022, 06:38:44 PM
I'm out so can't check ssn but we haven't announced it and I cant find it confirmed anywhere on the ssn app?
They ran it on the yellow ticker just after 6.
No worries, we are probably waiting to get some pics done before we break it. There was a helicopter close to vp earlier and it was pretty low but I didn't actually see if it took off from there because I was just walking back to my desk
Post by: Ad@m on January 12, 2022, 06:42:33 PM
I'm out so can't check ssn but we haven't announced it and I cant find it confirmed anywhere on the ssn app?
They ran it on the yellow ticker just after 6.
No worries, we are probably waiting to get some pics done before we break it. There was a helicopter close to vp earlier and it was pretty low but I didn't actually see if it took off from there because I was just walking back to my desk
He'd be nowhere near VP. He'll have been doing his medical somewhere and then off to Bodymoor (if the medical didn't take place there).
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 12, 2022, 06:49:43 PM
I'm out so can't check ssn but we haven't announced it and I cant find it confirmed anywhere on the ssn app?
They ran it on the yellow ticker just after 6.
No worries, we are probably waiting to get some pics done before we break it. There was a helicopter close to vp earlier and it was pretty low but I didn't actually see if it took off from there because I was just walking back to my desk
He'd be nowhere near VP. He'll have been doing his medical somewhere and then off to Bodymoor (if the medical didn't take place there).
I was more thinking Wes or Nas coming to the offices maybe Christian. The lights were all shining when I drop past about half 5 so somethings going on there.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 12, 2022, 07:14:16 PM
I'm out so can't check ssn but we haven't announced it and I cant find it confirmed anywhere on the ssn app?
They ran it on the yellow ticker just after 6.
No worries, we are probably waiting to get some pics done before we break it. There was a helicopter close to vp earlier and it was pretty low but I didn't actually see if it took off from there because I was just walking back to my desk
It was the BRMB Flying Eye.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 12, 2022, 07:43:30 PM
Post by: Gary Penrice on January 12, 2022, 08:06:52 PM
Jesus is BRMB even still a station?
Yeah....Les Ross does the breakfast show!
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2022, 08:10:44 PM
Jesus is BRMB even still a station?
Yeah....Les Ross does the breakfast show!
And Michael Hartley still does Open Line.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 12, 2022, 08:37:26 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 12, 2022, 08:41:01 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 12, 2022, 08:42:07 PM
If he has to wait to see a doctor for his medical as long as we have to wait for a Doctor we might not see him for a whileApparently hes having to do a telephone apointment first
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 12, 2022, 08:43:45 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 12, 2022, 10:48:15 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 12, 2022, 10:51:52 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2022, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: Lucas Digne
Sometimes it only takes one person from outside to destroy a beautiful love affair.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 12, 2022, 11:48:01 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 12:02:12 AM
Agreed, long and seemingly heartfelt but more than a bit of a dig at Rafa.Quote from: Lucas DigneSometimes it only takes one person from outside to destroy a beautiful love affair.
Sounds like a romcom blockbuster with a deadly male lead. Who to call...Liam Nesson ?
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2022, 08:31:40 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 13, 2022, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: Lucas DigneSometimes it only takes one person from outside to destroy a beautiful love affair.
As a veteran of many threesomes, I feel that quite profoundly.
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2022, 08:58:17 AM
Apparently contract signed and to be announced this morning.
I imagine he wouldn't have posted what he did unless there was ink dry...
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2022, 09:12:07 AM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 13, 2022, 09:17:14 AM
Post by: Dave P on January 13, 2022, 09:21:58 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 13, 2022, 09:26:21 AM
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2022, 09:27:13 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 13, 2022, 09:30:37 AM
I know the name but not the player as I don't watch any pl teams other than Villa. He should be pl savvy.
I've little idea as to whether he'll be an upgrade. That may well depend (certainly defensively) on the midfield player covering him. Judging by the way our manager sets up the team that could be Ramsey and he's been found wanting.
Post by: dave shelley on January 13, 2022, 09:31:23 AM
Post by: Ad@m on January 13, 2022, 09:33:29 AM
Have that Everton!!!
Post by: rougegorge on January 13, 2022, 09:34:47 AM
Not sure if it's been said already, but let's hope he lives up to his name and is 'digne du maillot'.
Post by: mallo on January 13, 2022, 09:48:27 AM
Post by: darren woolley on January 13, 2022, 09:52:44 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 13, 2022, 09:56:28 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 09:56:55 AM
Hot scoop from his first interview - apparently at Villa Park "the grass is amazing".
Have that Everton!!!
Great comment, makes-up for all his talk about "the project".
Also "I came here for the manager" - further proof that Gerrard was always going to help us attract better players.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2022, 09:57:49 AM
Post by: mrfuse on January 13, 2022, 09:58:03 AM
Feel sorry for Targett, but I think we know we need an improvement on this position attacking wise.
Nest one please.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2022, 10:08:01 AM
Post by: Didier Five on January 13, 2022, 10:08:57 AM
lovely job getting our signing sorted quickly again.
Feel sorry for Targett, but I think we know we need an improvement on this position attacking wise.
Nest one please.
Available for selection Saturday, Villa Park will be rocking I reckon.
Post by: Villa Lew on January 13, 2022, 10:10:27 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2022, 10:12:25 AM
lovely job getting our signing sorted quickly again.
Feel sorry for Targett, but I think we know we need an improvement on this position attacking wise.
Nest one please.
hopefully it will push Targett to achieve better
Post by: sickbeggar on January 13, 2022, 10:13:52 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 13, 2022, 10:17:04 AM
Oof. Nice parting dig at Rafa. "upto 25m" sounds like a face-saving exercise from Everton, probably dependant on us winning the CL/League double.
AND Keinan Davis getting the Golden Boot.
Post by: Border villan on January 13, 2022, 10:20:19 AM
I'm out so can't check ssn but we haven't announced it and I cant find it confirmed anywhere on the ssn app?
They ran it on the yellow ticker just after 6.
No worries, we are probably waiting to get some pics done before we break it. There was a helicopter close to vp earlier and it was pretty low but I didn't actually see if it took off from there because I was just walking back to my desk
He'd be nowhere near VP. He'll have been doing his medical somewhere and then off to Bodymoor (if the medical didn't take place there).
I was more thinking Wes or Nas coming to the offices maybe Christian. The lights were all shining when I drop past about half 5 so somethings going on there.
Possible social distanced works meeting on the pitch?
Post by: sickbeggar on January 13, 2022, 10:21:41 AM
Oof. Nice parting dig at Rafa. "upto 25m" sounds like a face-saving exercise from Everton, probably dependant on us winning the CL/League double.
AND Keinan Davis getting the Golden Boot.
heh. Even with a Keinan Davis scoring a goal for Forest clause, i'd still feel relatively safe.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 10:23:00 AM
Oof. Nice parting dig at Rafa. "upto 25m" sounds like a face-saving exercise from Everton, probably dependant on us winning the CL/League double.
Think it's 22m plus add-ons.
Post by: Smirker on January 13, 2022, 10:24:31 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 10:25:05 AM
Hot scoop from his first interview - apparently at Villa Park "the grass is amazing".
Jeez, what has he been smoking?
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2022, 10:28:05 AM
Hot scoop from his first interview - apparently at Villa Park "the grass is amazing".
Jeez, what has he been smoking?
I'm going to book a Stadium Tour to find out.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 13, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
This has been a great transfer window.
Post by: sid1964 on January 13, 2022, 10:38:01 AM
I thought a project was something that you did at school
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2022, 10:39:16 AM
lovely job getting our signing sorted quickly again.
Feel sorry for Targett, but I think we know we need an improvement on this position attacking wise.
Nest one please.
I think Targett will get game time still. Horses for courses.
Both good players, but very different attributes, Digne will play further forwards and do more attacking than defending. Can see Targett coming on when we are holding onto a lead and trying to close a game out. Can also see him playing in games where Gerrard uses a different formation.
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2022, 10:51:14 AM
Read an interview from Lucas - he cant wait to be part of the "project" (he said this about 6 times)
I thought a project was something that you did at school
They're doing a papier mache zoo at Bodymoor this week and he didn't want to miss out.
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2022, 10:57:32 AM
Oh and just a thought, but I wonder whether there's scope for Digne and Targett in the same team with Digne further forward. Particularly if we're playing a team like Liverpool and have a need to strengthen the left against TAA and Salah..
I'd have to say that barring injuries, almost certainly not. Digne has been bought because Gerrard clearly feels we need an upgrade on Targett. If you play them both, then somebody either in the midfield or forward three isn't going to get a game, so you'd still have the left back you identified as a problem, and you'd be replacing somebody like Luiz or Ramsey with an out of position left back. Never going to happen.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2022, 11:26:17 AM
Digne is a fine player, and an upgrade on Targett.
This has been a great transfer window.
If we can get that quality defensive midfielder over the line then it will have been an excellent window and will have been a real statement of ambition.
Post by: Steve67 on January 13, 2022, 11:27:56 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 13, 2022, 11:35:47 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 11:40:13 AM
From Six to Sanson our track record to date with French players has not been particularly good.
Let's hope for an outcome on Sat. similar to Didier Six's home debut.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 13, 2022, 11:45:44 AM
Oh and just a thought, but I wonder whether there's scope for Digne and Targett in the same team with Digne further forward. Particularly if we're playing a team like Liverpool and have a need to strengthen the left against TAA and Salah..
*Shudders.....remembering that game at Spurs with all the Right Backs
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 13, 2022, 11:53:48 AM
they just need to make decent beer.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 13, 2022, 11:59:34 AM
From Six to Sanson our track record to date with French players has not been particularly good.
Jean II Makoun was good ;)
Post by: Martin Carruthers on January 13, 2022, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: Scovilla on January 13, 2022, 12:14:40 PM
I remember Six scoring versus Stoke at VP. Was it his only goal for us? I can't remember.From Six to Sanson our track record to date with French players has not been particularly good.
Let's hope for an outcome on Sat. similar to Didier Six's home debut.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 13, 2022, 12:19:13 PM
I remember Six scoring versus Stoke at VP. Was it his only goal for us? I can't remember.From Six to Sanson our track record to date with French players has not been particularly good.
Let's hope for an outcome on Sat. similar to Didier Six's home debut.
15 league appearances 2 goals.
Post by: cannock villa on January 13, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
I remember Six scoring versus Stoke at VP. Was it his only goal for us? I can't remember.From Six to Sanson our track record to date with French players has not been particularly good.
Let's hope for an outcome on Sat. similar to Didier Six's home debut.
15 league appearances 2 goals.
And an amazing home debut against none other than Manure
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 12:27:57 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2022, 12:34:38 PM
Oh and just a thought, but I wonder whether there's scope for Digne and Targett in the same team with Digne further forward. Particularly if we're playing a team like Liverpool and have a need to strengthen the left against TAA and Salah..
I'd have to say that barring injuries, almost certainly not. Digne has been bought because Gerrard clearly feels we need an upgrade on Targett. If you play them both, then somebody either in the midfield or forward three isn't going to get a game, so you'd still have the left back you identified as a problem, and you'd be replacing somebody like Luiz or Ramsey with an out of position left back. Never going to happen.
Oh no, I agree in the most part, but I do think there's scope for it at times. Digne not happy with being deployed more defensively under Benitez, I just wonder whether there's scope. Ashley Young won't go on forever as cover.
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2022, 12:41:39 PM
From Six to Sanson our track record to date with French players has not been particularly good.
Jean II Makoun was good ;)
Not good, but not French either - from Cameroon.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2022, 12:51:47 PM
Anyway welcome Lucas.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 13, 2022, 01:35:47 PM
Makoun was a good player but like a few others he struggled with the hussle and bustle of the English PL midfield. Wasn’t French though.
Anyway welcome Lucas.
Though even when we extend it to Francophone players (Makoun, Traorë, Senderos, Kodjia to name but 4) we don’t seem to have much luck, Kodj being the pick of the bunch for me. Not sure whether Nilis was francophone or flemish - his name suggests the former but his birthplace the latter - but that would be another example of appalling luck.
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 01:54:19 PM
Though even when we extend it to Francophone players (Makoun, Traorë, Senderos, Kodjia to name but 4) we don’t seem to have much luck, Kodj being the pick of the bunch for me.
Frank Carrodus, Frank Barson?
Post by: rob_bridge on January 13, 2022, 01:56:43 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2022, 02:14:07 PM
Post by: darren woolley on January 13, 2022, 02:25:17 PM
Matt Targett is a good PL defender. He’s limited in what he can provide both in defence but certainly offensively. Lucas Digne is an upgrade in the former and a massive upgrade going forward.
Totally agree I like Matt Targett but we needed a new left back.
Post by: charlatan on January 13, 2022, 02:27:22 PM
Makoun was a good player but like a few others he struggled with the hussle and bustle of the English PL midfield. Wasn’t French though.
Anyway welcome Lucas.
Though even when we extend it to Francophone players (Makoun, Traorë, Senderos, Kodjia to name but 4) we don’t seem to have much luck, Kodj being the pick of the bunch for me. Not sure whether Nilis was francophone or flemish - his name suggests the former but his birthplace the latter - but that would be another example of appalling luck.
Benteke?
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2022, 03:18:52 PM
All of a sudden we've set piece quality too.
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2022, 03:21:34 PM
I'm really excited about this one. We're talking about a proven track record over the past three years. What a left foot.
All of a sudden we've set piece quality too.
Never mind the past three years, he's played for Barca, PSG and Roma and has nearly 50 caps for the World Champions.
I remember thinking when they signed him it was a huge coup.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2022, 03:37:34 PM
Worried if he isnt an upgrade on Targett
Well he is.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2022, 03:42:33 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 13, 2022, 03:59:32 PM
Makoun was a good player but like a few others he struggled with the hussle and bustle of the English PL midfield. Wasn’t French though.
Anyway welcome Lucas.
Though even when we extend it to Francophone players (Makoun, Traorë, Senderos, Kodjia to name but 4) we don’t seem to have much luck, Kodj being the pick of the bunch for me. Not sure whether Nilis was francophone or flemish - his name suggests the former but his birthplace the latter - but that would be another example of appalling luck.
Benteke?
I think he was Flemish speaking -but may be wrong, in which case he wins it hands down by a country mile!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 13, 2022, 05:05:11 PM
Makoun was a good player but like a few others he struggled with the hussle and bustle of the English PL midfield. Wasn’t French though.
Anyway welcome Lucas.
Though even when we extend it to Francophone players (Makoun, Traorë, Senderos, Kodjia to name but 4) we don’t seem to have much luck, Kodj being the pick of the bunch for me. Not sure whether Nilis was francophone or flemish - his name suggests the former but his birthplace the latter - but that would be another example of appalling luck.
Benteke?
I think he was Flemish speaking -but may be wrong, in which case he wins it hands down by a country mile!
French. I never knew he was born in Zaire. His family moved to French speaking Liège when he was three.
Post by: Ad@m on January 13, 2022, 05:07:47 PM
Makoun was a good player but like a few others he struggled with the hussle and bustle of the English PL midfield. Wasn’t French though.
Anyway welcome Lucas.
Though even when we extend it to Francophone players (Makoun, Traorë, Senderos, Kodjia to name but 4) we don’t seem to have much luck, Kodj being the pick of the bunch for me. Not sure whether Nilis was francophone or flemish - his name suggests the former but his birthplace the latter - but that would be another example of appalling luck.
Benteke?
I think he was Flemish speaking -but may be wrong, in which case he wins it hands down by a country mile!
French. I never knew he was born in Zaire. His family moved to French speaking Liège when he was three.
I definitely read the very witty nickname "Congo Waring" on here when he signed for us.
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2022, 05:07:52 PM
I'm really excited about this one. We're talking about a proven track record over the past three years. What a left foot.
All of a sudden we've set piece quality too.
Never mind the past three years, he's played for Barca, PSG and Roma and has nearly 50 caps for the World Champions.
I remember thinking when they signed him it was a huge coup.
Well quite, but I was referring mainly to Premier League, and of course you're right. Coutinho hasn't performed at his best and may take time to get going.
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
Kodjia was born in France, so even though he represented Ivory Coast where his parents were from, I'd imagine his passport was a French one.
Didn't someone say he studied at the Sorbonne?
Doctored in mathematics, he could have been a don
Post by: achilles on January 13, 2022, 05:23:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdegqOvWmuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdegqOvWmuA)
Post by: Bad English on January 13, 2022, 06:18:22 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2022, 06:41:03 PM
I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Here we go ....
Post by: UK Redsox on January 13, 2022, 06:48:32 PM
Kodjia was born in France, so even though he represented Ivory Coast where his parents were from, I'd imagine his passport was a French one.
Didn't someone say he studied at the Sorbonne?
Doctored in mathematics, he could have been a don
I've got the brains, you've got the looks
Post by: Bad English on January 13, 2022, 07:09:16 PM
Tough cheddar etc.I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Here we go ....
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 07:14:09 PM
I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Same with Hourihane, he was born in Bandon, which is a town that makes farmhouse cheddar.
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 07:36:11 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2022, 07:45:58 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 13, 2022, 07:49:47 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2022, 07:55:50 PM
Staunton was very good business. Shame he peeed off to Liverpool only to have to come back again with his tail between his legs. You could guarantee a couple of blockbuster strikes a season and some set pieces. Plus playing out from the back.
Best left back we’ve had in my 33 years or so of support. Digne will be doing very well to match him. Agree that it was a shame Stan sullied his Villa career by fucking off back to them for free though.
Post by: LeonW on January 13, 2022, 07:59:13 PM
Staunton was very good business. Shame he peeed off to Liverpool only to have to come back again with his tail between his legs. You could guarantee a couple of blockbuster strikes a season and some set pieces. Plus playing out from the back.
Best left back we’ve had in my 33 years or so of support. Digne will be doing very well to match him. Agree that it was a shame Stan sullied his Villa career by fucking off back to them for free though.
It was. One of my favourites up until that point. Quite liked his moodiness. Seemed to get him (and the team) going at times.
Post by: charlatan on January 13, 2022, 08:27:47 PM
I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Same with Hourihane, he was born in Bandon, which is a town that makes farmhouse cheddar.
There's also a Bandon on the Oregon coast where they make cheddar.
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2022, 09:04:07 PM
Post by: Smoke on January 13, 2022, 09:30:41 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on January 13, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
Tough cheddar etc.I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Here we go ....
“What you think is the point is not the point at all but only the beginning of the sharpness.”
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 14, 2022, 01:25:28 AM
Tough cheddar etc.I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Here we go ....
“What you think is the point is not the point at all but only the beginning of the sharpness.”
Something stinks about this deal.
Post by: olaftab on January 14, 2022, 11:08:42 AM
I hope we give him some brie-thing space.Tough cheddar etc.I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Here we go ....
“What you think is the point is not the point at all but only the beginning of the sharpness.”
Something stinks about this deal.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 14, 2022, 11:34:15 AM
I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
Same with Hourihane, he was born in Bandon, which is a town that makes farmhouse cheddar.
There's also a Bandon on the Oregon coast where they make cheddar.
Can you be more spacific?
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2022, 09:27:18 PM
Honestly levels above Matt Targett in that respect
He's an attacking full back and suits Gerrards system no end
Very exciting .
Like this as much if not more than Coutinho due to quality and that he ready to play
Very exciting times ahead.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 15, 2022, 05:01:48 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2022, 09:09:14 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2022, 09:12:28 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 15, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
Amazed at his control, it's on another planet; whatever concerns I had about him soon disappeared. He obviously just didn't want to play for Everton and Benitez.
This. The control. Grealish replaced then!
Post by: tomd2103 on January 15, 2022, 09:29:36 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 15, 2022, 09:33:16 PM
When they ask Gerrard what gets us top 6 top 4.
SG -established players.
Purslow said it was opportunist.
I think Ings was as well.
But something at right back too for true upgrade to the attacking full back system
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 15, 2022, 09:44:35 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2022, 10:02:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2022, 10:25:12 PM
although that one dodgy tackle first half
It was a good tackle, if you can't take the ball make sure the fucker doesn't get past.
Post by: Ian. on January 15, 2022, 10:26:28 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 15, 2022, 10:55:41 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2022, 10:57:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2022, 11:03:11 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2022, 11:59:41 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 16, 2022, 12:32:30 AM
I learn that Digne was born in Meaux, which is a town that makes Brie.
And he was shit for us.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 16, 2022, 08:42:16 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2022, 10:12:30 AM
Amazed at his control, it's on another planet; whatever concerns I had about him soon disappeared.
Couple of brilliant touches where he just killed the ball, well impressed too.
Post by: Rigadon on January 16, 2022, 10:14:29 AM
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2022, 12:15:48 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 16, 2022, 12:24:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 16, 2022, 12:25:05 PM
Post by: Ad@m on January 16, 2022, 12:42:18 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 16, 2022, 01:05:24 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 16, 2022, 01:14:01 PM
Target wouldn't have been there in the first place.Eventually he'll be the one on the end of Mattys' overhit passes.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2022, 01:16:44 PM
Some lovely diagonal balls played to him in the second half and he was in acre's of space.
Two of them were great long balls from Hause.
Post by: LukeJames on January 16, 2022, 01:32:44 PM
Some lovely diagonal balls played to him in the second half and he was in acre's of space.
Two of them were great long balls from Hause.
The one that Hause drilled hard early in the 2nd half, I had to instantly eat humble pie.
"FFS Kourtney why the fuck are you doing that? "
Too
"What a fucking ball! "
I didnt realise he had that kind of pass in his locker.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2022, 01:40:47 PM
I wasn't over impressed in the first half. He really grew into it in the second half though. He looks alright you know.
First half Man U did really well in restricting him receiving the ball. Tactically it was very clever but even so it didn't stop him popping up to have a shot on goal. Not sure if it was Hause but on a couple of occasions we fired over rocket paced balls to him and he brought the ball under control with his first touch. Forget Targett doing that, not many players in the league could have done it. He's certainly a very technically gifted player.
Post by: fredm on January 16, 2022, 01:44:50 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2022, 04:09:40 PM
Wasn’t his booking his 5th of the season? Does this mean he will miss next match?
No, the commentator said his record reverts to zero due to changing clubs.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2022, 04:12:13 PM
Target wouldn't have been there in the first place.Eventually he'll be the one on the end of Mattys' overhit passes.
Targett wouldn't have made that stupid challenge with his wrong foot and been booked for it.
Based on his record at Everton, I imagine we'll find Digne the opposite to Targett - good going forward but iffy defensively. I guess to get the best of both costs £50m+
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2022, 04:23:37 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 16, 2022, 05:31:06 PM
Wasn’t his booking his 5th of the season? Does this mean he will miss next match?
No, the commentator said his record reverts to zero due to changing clubs.
Well, not zero, he is still on 5 bookings. But no ban because that was our 20th game and hence after the cut off. If he'd still been at Everton yesterday and picked it up, he'd now have a ban as it was only their 19th.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 16, 2022, 05:46:10 PM
Not then, anyway.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 16, 2022, 07:44:57 PM
It appears that Rafa is easy to fall out with, so those disciplinary fears may have dissolved too. Could be an excellent signing, we badly need better supply for our forwards.
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 16, 2022, 09:22:27 PM
I wasn't over impressed in the first half. He really grew into it in the second half though. He looks alright you know.
First half Man U did really well in restricting him receiving the ball. Tactically it was very clever but even so it didn't stop him popping up to have a shot on goal. Not sure if it was Hause but on a couple of occasions we fired over rocket paced balls to him and he brought the ball under control with his first touch. Forget Targett doing that, not many players in the league could have done it. He's certainly a very technically gifted player.
Really good point Man ure did their homework on him
Post by: darren woolley on January 16, 2022, 10:13:49 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 17, 2022, 11:45:48 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2022, 11:46:56 AM
Odds on him doing an ‘Unsworth’?
Sign for us then leave without playing?
Post by: sid1964 on January 17, 2022, 11:55:10 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 17, 2022, 11:59:08 AM
I reckon he's probably breathing a sigh of relief that he got out of there before Benitez got the chop and his replacement decided he'd like to keep him.
Post by: Monty on January 17, 2022, 12:00:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 17, 2022, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2022, 12:27:27 PM
Odds on him doing an ‘Unsworth’?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's unlikely. https://twitter.com/LucasDigne/status/1482459434672664579
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
Post by: Taylor on January 18, 2022, 12:58:44 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 18, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
Apologies if this has been posted before, but I just realised that Lucas scored for us against Everton earlier in the season.
The Bailey corner goal?
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 02:50:01 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2022, 03:02:42 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 03:10:01 PM
Post by: exigo on January 18, 2022, 03:23:11 PM
Linky. (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/jan/18/david-squires-rafa-benitez-sacking-everton-merseyside-blues)
Post by: mike on January 18, 2022, 03:48:07 PM
Apologies if this has been posted before, but I just realised that Lucas scored for us against Everton earlier in the season.
The Bailey corner goal?
Who’s Bailey?
Post by: KevinGage on January 22, 2022, 11:14:49 PM
Fans giving stick to an ex player is as old as the game itself.
But this looks like a scenario where the player himself didn't want to go but a shitehouse of a manager wanted him out. The message he posted when he left was almost too fawning; love affair, once a Blue always a Blue and all that shite.
Their loss looks like our substantial gain, so fuck 'em.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 22, 2022, 11:18:00 PM
Must admit I was a bit surprised at the vitriol directed towards Luka Dean today.
Apparently during the week he referred to his replacement at Everton as being from the Ukraine.
Post by: rougegorge on February 13, 2022, 06:59:28 PM
Post by: Villafirst on February 13, 2022, 07:04:03 PM
Post by: Villafirst on February 13, 2022, 07:05:32 PM
Must admit I was a bit surprised at the vitriol directed towards Luka Dean today.
Fans giving stick to an ex player is as old as the game itself.
But this looks like a scenario where the player himself didn't want to go but a shitehouse of a manager wanted him out. The message he posted when he left was almost too fawning; love affair, once a Blue always a Blue and all that shite.
Their loss looks like our substantial gain, so fuck 'em.
It's Lucas Digne.....
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2022, 11:01:39 AM
Must admit I was a bit surprised at the vitriol directed towards Luka Dean today.
Apparently during the week he referred to his replacement at Everton as being from the Ukraine.
Tweeted about popping to ASDA's for a loaf and going to Mataland for a fleece, the bastard.
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
Post by: frank black on February 20, 2022, 11:23:41 AM
I’m half joking because I believe he’s a much better player, but we are not seeing anything significant from him on the attacking front yet. He was open for the pass a lot yesterday but didn’t really use the space well.
Post by: Risso on February 20, 2022, 11:35:07 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 20, 2022, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 20, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
Defensively I have my doubts. Offensively too early to say.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on February 20, 2022, 12:21:20 PM
I didn't watch a lot of him at Blue Scouse, but what I did see suggests that he used to carry the ball forwards at pace, instigating attacks from deeper positions.
Under SG we set up differently.
When in possession, typically with the ball between the two centre defenders, the fullbacks are advanced and the wide midfield players drop into the fullback positions to either carry the ball or hit cross-field passes to switch play, i.e., SJM tends to look for a long cross-field pass or short it Emi II or Coutinho and Ramsey more typically drives forward with the ball.
So our fullbacks are high and wide often receiving long passes with the intent/hope they are 1v1 with the opposition fullback and can create something. It's why we are seeing many fewer instances of Cash carrying the ball forward as he is receiving it higher up the pitch.
I am confident Digne has the quality to do well, though I do think we are asking him to do something slightly different to his previous club, so a period of adjustment is likely. UTV.
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 20, 2022, 12:32:55 PM
He's a very good player, but so far his signing smacks of tinkering with a position that wasn't really a problem, or at least wasn't the most critical area of the pitch that we needed to upgrade. I'd rather have kept Targett and put the £25m towards Bissouma. Our recruitment team starting with Lange need to have a long hard look at themselves. So far we've put in derisory bids for Ward-Prowse, Smith Rowe and Bissouma and come away with none of them.
I completely agree. And that position should have been our priority last summer.
Post by: KevinGage on February 20, 2022, 04:21:02 PM
Must admit I was a bit surprised at the vitriol directed towards Luka Dean today.
Fans giving stick to an ex player is as old as the game itself.
But this looks like a scenario where the player himself didn't want to go but a shitehouse of a manager wanted him out. The message he posted when he left was almost too fawning; love affair, once a Blue always a Blue and all that shite.
Their loss looks like our substantial gain, so fuck 'em.
It's Lucas Digne.....
Yeah, I know.
He's a very good player, but so far his signing smacks of tinkering with a position that wasn't really a problem, or at least wasn't the most critical area of the pitch that we needed to upgrade.
Agree. Had we signed a pacey, up and coming left back/ left wing back for £10-15 million, we'd have been bringing in a player to give us a different option. But not one that automatically tells Targett his days are numbered.
Signing a French international for that fee and on those wages made it clear he wasn't in SG's long term plans. And that's absolutely fine - save there will be games where we need a more traditonal full-back. We now don't have that option.
Also, when you have one attacking fullback in the mould of Cash, it's unusual to have one the other side doing the exact same thing. For balance, you'd usually want one who sits in more and one who bombs forward.
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 20, 2022, 09:37:21 PM
Signing a French international for that fee and on those wages made it clear he wasn't in SG's long term plans. And that's absolutely fine - save there will be games where we need a more traditonal full-back. We now don't have that option.
Also, when you have one attacking fullback in the mould of Cash, it's unusual to have one the other side doing the exact same thing. For balance, you'd usually want one who sits in more and one who bombs forward.""
I did expect a better defender though - not seen that although he is good bombing forward.
Post by: Drummond on February 21, 2022, 12:02:46 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2022, 02:01:04 PM
At the moment we have full backs not contributing. They hang around, wide, shouting for the ball and don't get it. Then are stuck to far forward when it's our turn to defend.Tactics are wrong: maybe in the slower / less skilled Scottish League you could do what we're trying to do but without a decent defensive MF, the fullback-as-main-attack strategy is killing us.
We'd be much better off with the Smith 4-3-3 approach right now; THEN, get to the end of the season and do what everyone is advocating - BRING IN A DMF, FFS - so that we can set up in a more balanced and flexible manner thereafter.
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
Presumably out for a while then?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 14, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Official Twitter have just sent a "you'll be back stronger" message to Digne.
Presumably out for a while then?
Doesn't sound good, hopefully he'll be back for next season's opener.
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2022, 04:34:04 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 14, 2022, 05:21:33 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 14, 2022, 06:00:21 PM
But at least we can play Targett, as an already proven premier full back.
Oh, hang on a moment 😞
Post by: Taylor on March 14, 2022, 07:27:53 PM
Bad news by the sound of it.We do have one of the most experienced full backs to play the game though.
But at least we can play Targett, as an already proven premier full back.
Oh, hang on a moment 😞
Post by: Goldenballs on March 14, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
Post by: Risso on March 14, 2022, 08:18:31 PM
Loaning out Targett was a shocking decision. And I don't give a shit if he had a bit of a nervous breakdown when we signed some competition, we should've told him to suck it up.
I think it was more a case of Gerrard not rating him to be honest.
Post by: Goldenballs on March 14, 2022, 08:28:37 PM
Loaning out Targett was a shocking decision. And I don't give a shit if he had a bit of a nervous breakdown when we signed some competition, we should've told him to suck it up.
I think it was more a case of Gerrard not rating him to be honest.
Didn't he do an interview saying he was was disappointed etc, then Gerrard saying he only wanted committed players, or some of the usual guff? Sounded more to me like Targett wet his pants.
As much as I like Young, I'd rather have Targett at left back than for an extended run of games.
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2022, 08:29:16 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2022, 10:27:47 PM
Mind you I remember Okore walking off, did his ACL and was never the same.
Yeah Young v Saka dosen't look a great match up at all. Personally once we have a run of easier games I'd give Chishane a few starts.
Post by: LeonW on March 14, 2022, 11:26:23 PM
Loaning out Targett was a shocking decision. And I don't give a shit if he had a bit of a nervous breakdown when we signed some competition, we should've told him to suck it up.
I think it was more a case of Gerrard not rating him to be honest.
Didn't he do an interview saying he was was disappointed etc, then Gerrard saying he only wanted committed players, or some of the usual guff? Sounded more to me like Targett wet his pants.
As much as I like Young, I'd rather have Targett at left back than for an extended run of games.
I could understand selling Targett if a decent offer came in. But loaning him to Newcastle is a decision I found and still find baffling. Whichever was true of him wanting to be a first teamer or Gerrard not wholly rating him, we’re in the middle of a season. Why help Newcastle out with no strong alternative? Even if you think Young is still capable of doing a job, he can’t do it 2 or 3 times a week if Digne were to get injured. Plus the problem with a loan is that if it doesn’t work out, it often leads to the value of a player going down. So the only benefit we get is having his wages off the books for a few months. The upside isn’t worth it.
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2022, 12:09:44 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 15, 2022, 12:10:49 AM
Post by: LeonW on March 15, 2022, 12:24:05 AM
The player wanted football and clearly wasn't going to get it with us.
Any player who doesn’t want to play should rightly be questioned. Our entire bench shouldn’t be happy. We still need a strong bench though, particularly if we’re going to progress. Injuries/suspensions/loss of form, etc. Rather do what’s better for the club than the player.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 15, 2022, 04:12:44 AM
He also said that we were excited about developing Ben Chrisene.
Post by: sid1964 on March 15, 2022, 06:50:12 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2022, 07:18:07 AM
If we would have stopped the Targett move to Newcastle happening, what do you think his attitude would have been, towards the club and Gerrard?I am sure he would have been “the best version of himself”.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2022, 08:47:51 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2022, 08:58:39 AM
He would have played on Sunday. And again this Saturday... and probably for the rest of the season. Instead we chose to help out the most repulsive owners in world football.
Maybe, or maybe Gerrard would have picked Young again, or Chrisene.
Let's be honest, Targett isn't great going forward, and that's what Gerrard wants. I think it's pretty clear that there wasn't going to be any 'fighting for his place' stuff, Digne is first choice.
Why make a player stay who doesn't want to be there playing second fiddle? We chose to help him, not the Saudi regime, vile as they undoubtedly are.
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2022, 09:00:10 AM
The player wanted football and clearly wasn't going to get it with us.
Any player who doesn’t want to play should rightly be questioned. Our entire bench shouldn’t be happy. We still need a strong bench though, particularly if we’re going to progress. Injuries/suspensions/loss of form, etc. Rather do what’s better for the club than the player.
Yep, but perhaps better for the club is letting a player go on loan who is unlikely to play (barring injury) to keep the squad morale high.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 15, 2022, 09:07:14 AM
He would have played on Sunday. And again this Saturday... and probably for the rest of the season. Instead we chose to help out the most repulsive owners in world football.
Maybe, or maybe Gerrard would have picked Young again, or Chrisene.
Let's be honest, Targett isn't great going forward, and that's what Gerrard wants. I think it's pretty clear that there wasn't going to be any 'fighting for his place' stuff, Digne is first choice.
Why make a player stay who doesn't want to be there playing second fiddle? We chose to help him, not the Saudi regime, vile as they undoubtedly are.
I can understand letting him go. He's played about 200 games (I imagine, can't be arsed to check) in the top flight. I doubt that Daesh were the only suitors. No excuse whatsoever for helping those filth.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 15, 2022, 09:07:51 AM
Bit of a shit, vague, "what's up hun?" post from the club's Twitter to be honest.
Yeah, not sure what the point of that was.
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2022, 09:47:01 AM
Bit of a shit, vague, "what's up hun?" post from the club's Twitter to be honest.
Yeah, not sure what the point of that was.
Me either.
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2022, 09:49:21 AM
He would have played on Sunday. And again this Saturday... and probably for the rest of the season. Instead we chose to help out the most repulsive owners in world football.
Maybe, or maybe Gerrard would have picked Young again, or Chrisene.
Let's be honest, Targett isn't great going forward, and that's what Gerrard wants. I think it's pretty clear that there wasn't going to be any 'fighting for his place' stuff, Digne is first choice.
Why make a player stay who doesn't want to be there playing second fiddle? We chose to help him, not the Saudi regime, vile as they undoubtedly are.
I can understand letting him go. He's played about 200 games (I imagine, can't be arsed to check) in the top flight. I doubt that Daesh were the only suitors. No excuse whatsoever for helping those filth.
That's the thing. I'd have preferred not to deal with them, and unfortunately, it appears as though Howe is managing to save them from what looked like inevitable relegation. I'm not sure Matt Targett is the key to it, but I guess he'll have played a part.
I just hope the media don't let up on asking questions at every press conference about their human rights record.
Back on topic, I'm hoping Digne isn't out long-term, I like what I've seen so far.
Post by: Beard82 on March 15, 2022, 10:11:57 AM
Up there with the Welcome Back Jack video for how annoying it is.Bit of a shit, vague, "what's up hun?" post from the club's Twitter to be honest.
Yeah, not sure what the point of that was.
Me either.
Post by: sid1964 on March 15, 2022, 10:57:43 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2022, 01:20:47 PM
If Targett was so highly rated by Villa why would we agree to sell him for a mere £15 million at the end of the season, I know it goes against the grain of most Villa fans on here, but occasionally you have to sell players.when did that happen?
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Bit of a shit, vague, "what's up hun?" post from the club's Twitter to be honest.
Yeah, not sure what the point of that was.
Me either.
*neither
#BadEnglish?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 15, 2022, 03:55:10 PM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2022, 04:05:10 PM
The tweet does seem a bit strange as it's being reported that he's out for 3 weeks so would only miss 2-3 games at most.
Yep, it's all a bit ruptured ACL and #prayfordigne.
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2022, 04:08:46 PM
The tweet does seem a bit strange as it's being reported that he's out for 3 weeks so would only miss 2-3 games at most.
Yep, it's all a bit ruptured ACL and #prayfordigne.
Maybe the club's social media crew are lamenting the loss of Targett, making 3 weeks seem like a lifetime.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2022, 05:36:57 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 15, 2022, 10:29:52 PM
But let's not help people who routinely murder gay people, stone women for being raped, persecute the Shia minority and invade Yemen, yeah?
Post by: JD on March 16, 2022, 06:00:59 AM
As for Targett, I was strongly against strengthening Newcastle which I thought was a bit naieve, but you can only have so many players and frankly Digne & Young + emergency cover from kids / other players should be sufficient for where we are right now. The principal of loaning him was ok, just not to that lot.
Can we not play Hause at left back as another option?
Post by: frank black on March 16, 2022, 06:17:14 AM
If Targett was so highly rated by Villa why would we agree to sell him for a mere £15 million at the end of the season, I know it goes against the grain of most Villa fans on here, but occasionally you have to sell players.when did that happen?
It’s been reported that they can buy him for £15 mil minus the loan fee. Which if true is poor business from our side of it, we’ve just given them one of our players for premier league peanuts. But he wanted out and there may not have been any competition for his signature 🤷♂️
Post by: Drummond on March 16, 2022, 07:12:27 AM
As for Targett, I was strongly against strengthening Newcastle which I thought was a bit naieve, but you can only have so many players and frankly Digne & Young + emergency cover from kids / other players should be sufficient for where we are right now. The principal of loaning him was ok, just not to that lot.
Can we not play Hause at left back as another option?
Yep, or Mings.
Post by: nigel on March 16, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
If Targett was so highly rated by Villa why would we agree to sell him for a mere £15 million at the end of the season, I know it goes against the grain of most Villa fans on here, but occasionally you have to sell players.when did that happen?
It’s been reported that they can buy him for £15 mil minus the loan fee. Which if true is poor business from our side of it, we’ve just given them one of our players for premier league peanuts. But he wanted out and there may not have been any competition for his signature 🤷♂️
Yes, I posted that on another thread.
Would certainly be disappointing as that’s roughly what we paid for him, and he’s definitely a better player than when he came.
Post by: mike on March 16, 2022, 10:07:21 AM
But let's not help people who routinely murder gay people, stone women for being raped, persecute the Shia minority and invade Yemen, yeah?
I think you must mean 'valued trading partner of the UK'. Our Prime Minister, whose moral standing is beyond reproach, would surely not be visiting them if that were all true...
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 16, 2022, 11:02:50 AM
"its been reported" so no one knows what's been agreed then?If Targett was so highly rated by Villa why would we agree to sell him for a mere £15 million at the end of the season, I know it goes against the grain of most Villa fans on here, but occasionally you have to sell players.when did that happen?
It’s been reported that they can buy him for £15 mil minus the loan fee. Which if true is poor business from our side of it, we’ve just given them one of our players for premier league peanuts. But he wanted out and there may not have been any competition for his signature 🤷♂️
Yes, I posted that on another thread.
Would certainly be disappointing as that’s roughly what we paid for him, and he’s definitely a better player than when he came.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 16, 2022, 11:04:07 AM
So I assume you've personally read the contracts on every other player purchase and salary you comment on?"its been reported" so no one knows what's been agreed then?If Targett was so highly rated by Villa why would we agree to sell him for a mere £15 million at the end of the season, I know it goes against the grain of most Villa fans on here, but occasionally you have to sell players.when did that happen?
It’s been reported that they can buy him for £15 mil minus the loan fee. Which if true is poor business from our side of it, we’ve just given them one of our players for premier league peanuts. But he wanted out and there may not have been any competition for his signature 🤷♂️
Yes, I posted that on another thread.
Would certainly be disappointing as that’s roughly what we paid for him, and he’s definitely a better player than when he came.
Post by: OCD on March 16, 2022, 11:25:54 AM
Post by: Smithy on March 16, 2022, 02:59:27 PM
As for Targett, I was strongly against strengthening Newcastle which I thought was a bit naieve, but you can only have so many players and frankly Digne & Young + emergency cover from kids / other players should be sufficient for where we are right now. The principal of loaning him was ok, just not to that lot.
Can we not play Hause at left back as another option?
Yep, or Mings.
I guess the issue is both of those players are fine as LB cover if you play a standard flat back-four. We don't. Our full-backs are now central the majority of our attacking wide play. I can't see either of those two on the overlap and whipping in dangerous balls. Or being involved in the intricate one-touch play in the final third where Digne seems pretty comfortable. That said, neither was Targett, particularly.
If it's only a couple of weeks, then I think Young can do the job - if they want someone more defensive then Hause can do it, but that would probably require a tweak to the formation further ahead to ensure we had some attacking width.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 16, 2022, 03:23:55 PM
You're right, Hause or Mings would be far from ideal. The point is more we can't really carry more than two specialist left backs in a squad and for now those are Digne & Young and prior to this it was Target and Young. It can't cover every eventuality, but generally that should be enough.As for Targett, I was strongly against strengthening Newcastle which I thought was a bit naieve, but you can only have so many players and frankly Digne & Young + emergency cover from kids / other players should be sufficient for where we are right now. The principal of loaning him was ok, just not to that lot.
Can we not play Hause at left back as another option?
Yep, or Mings.
I guess the issue is both of those players are fine as LB cover if you play a standard flat back-four. We don't. Our full-backs are now central the majority of our attacking wide play. I can't see either of those two on the overlap and whipping in dangerous balls. Or being involved in the intricate one-touch play in the final third where Digne seems pretty comfortable. That said, neither was Targett, particularly.
If it's only a couple of weeks, then I think Young can do the job - if they want someone more defensive then Hause can do it, but that would probably require a tweak to the formation further ahead to ensure we had some attacking width.
Post by: Dave on March 16, 2022, 04:03:35 PM
You're right, Hause or Mings would be far from ideal. The point is more we can't really carry more than two specialist left backs in a squad and for now those are Digne & Young and prior to this it was Target and Young. It can't cover every eventuality, but generally that should be enough.As for Targett, I was strongly against strengthening Newcastle which I thought was a bit naieve, but you can only have so many players and frankly Digne & Young + emergency cover from kids / other players should be sufficient for where we are right now. The principal of loaning him was ok, just not to that lot.
Can we not play Hause at left back as another option?
Yep, or Mings.
I guess the issue is both of those players are fine as LB cover if you play a standard flat back-four. We don't. Our full-backs are now central the majority of our attacking wide play. I can't see either of those two on the overlap and whipping in dangerous balls. Or being involved in the intricate one-touch play in the final third where Digne seems pretty comfortable. That said, neither was Targett, particularly.
If it's only a couple of weeks, then I think Young can do the job - if they want someone more defensive then Hause can do it, but that would probably require a tweak to the formation further ahead to ensure we had some attacking width.
While not really disagreeing with the overall thrust of the post, I'm not sure that based on what he has done this season I'd describe Young as a "specialist left-back".
He's played pretty much everywhere apart from goalkeeper and centre-forward at some point.
Post by: LeeB on March 16, 2022, 04:06:35 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 17, 2022, 06:30:15 AM
Post by: Dave P on March 17, 2022, 06:57:35 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 17, 2022, 08:20:13 AM
It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
Post by: Dave P on March 17, 2022, 09:05:07 AM
It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
And Targett would have been any better?
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 17, 2022, 09:08:21 AM
It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
And Targett would have been any better?
Yes
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 17, 2022, 09:36:30 AM
Targett? Where'd that come from?It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
And Targett would have been any better?
Post by: eamonn on March 17, 2022, 09:37:52 AM
Post by: Dave P on March 17, 2022, 10:17:14 AM
Targett? Where'd that come from?It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
And Targett would have been any better?
The discussion is Young having to play as Digne is injured. I'm saying wouyld Targett have faired any better than Young if he was still with us. Better and faster wingers than Saka have roasted Targett.
Post by: Beard82 on March 17, 2022, 10:27:58 AM
I think, by and large, defensively Targett has been pretty good during his time with us, and last season was excellent.Targett? Where'd that come from?It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
And Targett would have been any better?
The discussion is Young having to play as Digne is injured. I'm saying wouyld Targett have faired any better than Young if he was still with us. Better and faster wingers than Saka have roasted Targett.
I think Young wouldnt be up to it personally - I would be tempted to have mings there and hause in the center with konsa
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 17, 2022, 10:28:49 AM
Targett? Where'd that come from?It’ll be Young until Digne is backAgainst Saka? It'll be a car crash
And Targett would have been any better?
The discussion is Young having to play as Digne is injured. I'm saying wouyld Targett have faired any better than Young if he was still with us. Better and faster wingers than Saka have roasted Targett.
The answer is still yes.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 17, 2022, 10:48:12 AM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 20, 2022, 10:26:51 AM
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
Post by: Clampy on March 20, 2022, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2022, 12:57:56 PM
Perhaps McGinn could do a job there for one game only.
Post by: nigel on March 20, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
Digne should be back for Wolves, not sure what we'd do if Young is out aswell, perhaps a 3-4-3 and hoping Bailey goes wild as LWB again.
Perhaps McGinn could do a job there for one game only.
For a one off I’d be inclined to play Chisene (?)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2022, 03:05:12 PM
Digne should be back for Wolves, not sure what we'd do if Young is out aswell, perhaps a 3-4-3 and hoping Bailey goes wild as LWB again.
Perhaps McGinn could do a job there for one game only.
For a one off I’d be inclined to play Chisene (?)
Would be bold to throw him in against Pedro Neto or their other tricky wide players.
Was actually surprised when we were 4 up v Southampton recently we put Young on instead of him as that would've been ideal to give him 15-20 minutes.
If Digne picks up another injury I'd rather throw him in v someone like Norwich at home.
Not going out on loan perhaps shows he's a little off where Kesler is currently who could well be part of first team squad next season.
Post by: nigel on March 20, 2022, 05:42:16 PM
Digne should be back for Wolves, not sure what we'd do if Young is out aswell, perhaps a 3-4-3 and hoping Bailey goes wild as LWB again.
Perhaps McGinn could do a job there for one game only.
For a one off I’d be inclined to play Chisene (?)
Would be bold to throw him in against Pedro Neto or their other tricky wide players.
Was actually surprised when we were 4 up v Southampton recently we put Young on instead of him as that would've been ideal to give him 15-20 minutes.
If Digne picks up another injury I'd rather throw him in v someone like Norwich at home.
Not going out on loan perhaps shows he's a little off where Kesler is currently who could well be part of first team squad next season.
To be honest I tend to agree.
We’ve seen it before, though, at other clubs. They put in a youngster, everyone thinks they’ll get slaughtered only for them to play a blinder.
Post by: Damo70 on March 20, 2022, 06:44:54 PM
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Post by: Villafirst on March 23, 2022, 11:03:26 AM
Post by: dave shelley on March 23, 2022, 12:08:28 PM
Post by: Bad English on March 23, 2022, 12:58:40 PM
So, out for 8 months it shall be. ;-)
Post by: Drummond on March 23, 2022, 02:28:17 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 23, 2022, 03:54:29 PM
It should be international football law that if a player misses his last club match through injury then he doesn't travel for international duty. No if's, but's or maybe's. Club first and fuck what the players think.
Certainly when it comes to friendlies anyway.
Post by: Scovilla on March 29, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 29, 2022, 09:08:24 PM
Post by: Bad English on March 29, 2022, 10:46:48 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 30, 2022, 12:08:47 AM
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Post by: nigel on March 30, 2022, 07:51:24 AM
Us? I thought you were Norn Iron first, Frenchies and Ingerland joint-second :(
Flippin’ glory hunter, he’ll start supporting PSG next 😂
Post by: Bad English on March 30, 2022, 09:04:00 AM
BUT PSG? You must be joking. Allez l'AJA !
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 31, 2022, 01:17:57 AM
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2022, 01:21:52 AM
Post by: Bad English on March 31, 2022, 07:28:48 AM
Post by: Sunny Villa on March 31, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
AJ Auxerre (https://www.aja.fr/) in Burgundy. First place I went to in France on a 5thYear school exchange in April 1982. My host family took me to the Abbé Deschamps staidium to see AJA Vs RC Lens (1-1) (https://www.mondefootball.fr/resume/ligue-1-1981-1982-aj-auxerre-rc-lens/). Auxerre had Polish legend Andrzej Szarmachupfrontt and Joel Bats in goal (who was to be France's keeper, becoming European Champion. with Les Bleus in 1984), not to mention Guy Rou,x their legendary manager. A small club with a great history.
Post by: Bad English on March 31, 2022, 08:02:03 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 02, 2022, 05:10:40 PM
Post by: Ads on April 02, 2022, 06:31:12 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 02, 2022, 07:02:07 PM
Stomach upset.
Really? Did ash confirm?
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2022, 09:07:30 PM
Stomach upset.
Really? Did ash confirm?
Gerrard did in his post-match interview. I may be imagining things, but Gerrard seemed quite a bit less than impressed with the situation.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 02, 2022, 09:43:30 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on April 03, 2022, 02:35:49 AM
Stomach upset.
Really? Did ash confirm?
Gerrard did in his post-match interview. I may be imagining things, but Gerrard seemed quite a bit less than impressed with the situation.
His disdain was palpable.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2022, 08:37:40 AM
We really can’t go on with Young on the left, it slows down an already plodding side.
Post by: Risso on April 03, 2022, 09:09:21 AM
Post by: dicedlam on April 03, 2022, 09:18:41 AM
Young is awful, I wince when he's brought on.
Would of been better moving Mings to LB and bringing on Chambers.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 03, 2022, 09:25:03 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2022, 09:29:27 AM
Young is awful, I wince when he's brought on.
He’s adequate as a second string utility player, but in the system we play we can’t have him as a right footed left back.
Post by: Drummond on April 03, 2022, 10:53:26 AM
Young is awful, I wince when he's brought on.
He’s adequate as a second string utility player, but in the system we play we can’t have him as a right footed left back.
This is it.
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2022, 12:10:09 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 03, 2022, 01:17:00 PM
. Hamstrings and the shits.Sure I saw them at Barbarella's back in the day
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2022, 05:32:47 PM
Post by: Dave P on April 03, 2022, 05:59:59 PM
. Hamstrings and the shits.Sure I saw them at Barbarella's back in the day
I saw them support African Car Reverser at the Odeon
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2022, 06:35:29 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 09, 2022, 08:20:01 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 10:29:50 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: Des Little on April 09, 2022, 10:36:49 PM
. Hamstrings and the shits.Sure I saw them at Barbarella's back in the day
I saw them support African Car Reverser at the Odeon
Applause!
I needed a laugh, great work
Digne’s injured more than Evel Knievel
Post by: LukeJames on April 09, 2022, 10:41:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 11:04:33 PM
Blimey, he is made of twiglets. Makes Targett look like Mike Tyson.
He had a dicky tummy last week...what a weakling. Could Keinan do a job for us down the left? He'd rampage up and down like a boss.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2022, 11:07:43 PM
Collarbone fucked. Could be done for the season. In comes Ash. Which I can’t make it if it’s better with him starting or inevitably coming off the bench every game.
Would honestly give Chisane a go, at least for Norwich at home and the Burnley games for his introduction to the rough side of top level football.
Just playing Young every week feels a wasted opportunity given his age and he might not be here next season.
Digne getting loads of stick but I think in some ways he's summed up our season. Had some good games but simply can't get on the pitch enough like most of our signings this season for numerous reasons.
Post by: Beard82 on April 09, 2022, 11:32:55 PM
Yeah makes sense. Would like to see them get some gamesCollarbone fucked. Could be done for the season. In comes Ash. Which I can’t make it if it’s better with him starting or inevitably coming off the bench every game.
Would honestly give Chisane a go, at least for Norwich at home and the Burnley games for his introduction to the rough side of top level football.
Just playing Young every week feels a wasted opportunity given his age and he might not be here next season.
Digne getting loads of stick but I think in some ways he's summed up our season. Had some good games but simply can't get on the pitch enough like most of our signings this season for numerous reasons.
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2022, 01:21:53 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2022, 07:19:27 AM
Soft as butter in any physical contest. No recovery pace. His attacking prowess in final third is non existent. Utterly useless today.I do not see he is an upgrade on Target , different?-yes
Better ? Not seeing it.
Post by: sid1964 on April 10, 2022, 07:53:34 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 10, 2022, 08:05:36 AM
At the very least we'd be stronger defensively.
In Digne's favour is that fact that having only arrived in Jan and needing 6 months to settle hopefully he will firing on all cylinders when the new season starts. Whether that will be good enough only time will tell.
Post by: Villafirst on April 10, 2022, 08:12:00 AM
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 08:45:38 AM
I maintain though, that while he is a good player, it was bad business getting him in for £25m and letting Targett go out on loan. We needed a defensive midfielder more than anything, and that money could have gone to getting the Bissouma deal done perhaps.
Post by: Villafirst on April 10, 2022, 08:50:41 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on April 10, 2022, 01:15:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 01:34:09 PM
Blimey, he is made of twiglets. Makes Targett look like Mike Tyson.
He had a dicky tummy last week...what a weakling.
Yes, how dare a player get ill. What a bastard.
Post by: nigel on April 10, 2022, 01:55:42 PM
Looks like his season might be over. Letting Targett go looks even worse a decision at the moment, especially if the barcodes finish above us.
I didn’t want him to go, especially to Newcastle, but he wanted to go. He said that he didn’t want to play second fiddle.
So, I can understand both sides.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 02:24:22 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 05:03:42 PM
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 08:27:06 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 10, 2022, 08:44:07 PM
He's a good player, albeit one whose fitness record has been terrible for us.Yes it was and it reflects badly on Gerrard's judgement as he endorsed the two moves.
I maintain though, that while he is a good player, it was bad business getting him in for £25m and letting Targett go out on loan. We needed a defensive midfielder more than anything, and that money could have gone to getting the Bissouma deal done perhaps.
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 10, 2022, 09:42:53 PM
He's a good player, albeit one whose fitness record has been terrible for us.
I maintain though, that while he is a good player, it was bad business getting him in for £25m and letting Targett go out on loan. We needed a defensive midfielder more than anything, and that money could have gone to getting the Bissouma deal done perhaps.
This twice over. I think the DM role should have been our number one priority last summer
Post by: LeeB on April 11, 2022, 09:50:53 AM
He's a good player, albeit one whose fitness record has been terrible for us.
I maintain though, that while he is a good player, it was bad business getting him in for £25m and letting Targett go out on loan. We needed a defensive midfielder more than anything, and that money could have gone to getting the Bissouma deal done perhaps.
This twice over. I think the DM role should have been our number one priority last summer
Watch whoever we sign come in and be massively underwhelming
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2022, 10:01:45 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2022, 10:31:48 AM
I like Digne and it's a massive shame he's injured but on Saturday he seemed scared of getting too far forward and ended up being caught nowhere too many times. If he'd driven forward in the same way Cash does (and he's capable of that, we've seen it already and he did it for Everton) I suspect we'd have created chances, Emerson Royal didn't want to chase him and Romero was struggling to cope with Countinho and Ramsey running in his channel already, Digne as well and I suspect we'd have got a lot of joy through that area.
The team don't trust each other, or the system, and once it's settled down then my guess is it won't be so bad.
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2022, 10:39:05 AM
He's a good player, albeit one whose fitness record has been terrible for us.
I maintain though, that while he is a good player, it was bad business getting him in for £25m and letting Targett go out on loan. We needed a defensive midfielder more than anything, and that money could have gone to getting the Bissouma deal done perhaps.
This twice over. I think the DM role should have been our number one priority last summer
I don't think throwing an extra £25m at Brighton for Bissouma, or at Leeds would have worked or been sensible.
Digne is a proven talent at Premier League and International level and is an upgrade, it was an opportune moment to get him. I also don't blame Targett for being pissed off and wanting to go, because let's face it, when your club buys that sort of player, it's clearly as an upgrade on you.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2022, 10:57:48 AM
I like Digne and it's a massive shame he's injured but on Saturday he seemed scared of getting too far forward and ended up being caught nowhere too many times. If he'd driven forward in the same way Cash does (and he's capable of that, we've seen it already and he did it for Everton) I suspect we'd have created chances, Emerson Royal didn't want to chase him and Romero was struggling to cope with Countinho and Ramsey running in his channel already, Digne as well and I suspect we'd have got a lot of joy through that area.
The team don't trust each other, or the system, and once it's settled down then my guess is it won't be so bad.
Yep I agree, I think he's a good player and will be a big player for us next year but we need a good pre-season to make that happen, I just hope his injury isn't bad enough that it gets in the way of that (looks like a 6-8 week one though to me, if he's done what I think he has).
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2022, 11:18:39 AM
He looked like he had dislocated his shoulder the way they tried to immobilise it. That's his season over if that's what's happened and probably means Ashley Young being our left back for the remainder of the season.
Yep, and with the comments from Gerrard I suspect it's an ACJ injury, and they're probably thinking it's a tear given they're saying he might be out for the rest of the season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:44:13 AM
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2022, 10:35:34 PM
Targett would have taken an extra touch and lofted it somewhere towards the back post for Cash to go and collect it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2022, 10:37:14 PM
Targett being loaned out was only really a problem when Digne was out injured.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2022, 11:28:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 07, 2022, 11:35:02 PM
I'd posit that his ball for Buendia is the sort that Targett would never have thought to play.
Yeah, I said the same thing when I saw the Sky highlights earlier. (Thanks Leeg)
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 08, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 08, 2022, 09:53:42 AM
Targett's ability to pick out a man in the box looked decent enough at the same ground last season (you only have to watch the first 10 seconds), don't think it's necessary too have a pop at him. That's taking nothing away from Digne, who can be a big player for us next season. That was probably his best performance since he joined, he and Cash played as Gerrard wants his full backs to play and it was a big reason why we won the match yesterday.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2022, 10:05:39 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2022, 10:06:44 AM
He is a serious player. Adds so much to the side - a genuine modern day fullback.
Yeah, both our full backs are good enough.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 11, 2022, 10:16:06 AM
Post by: Mister E on May 11, 2022, 10:29:10 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2022, 10:46:31 AM
He was great last night.Yes I thought so as well.
The first time I have thought how much better than Target he is.
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2022, 10:47:10 AM
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 10:49:08 AM
Post by: frank black on May 11, 2022, 10:50:05 AM
Post by: Ad@m on May 11, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
I reckon Gerrard will be in for someone of Digne's level on the right over the summer.
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 11:07:11 AM
Yep, Digne is class but his delivery is starting to show up Cash's on the other side.
I reckon Gerrard will be in for someone of Digne's level on the right over the summer.
I'd be hugely surprised if that happens. Cash's delivery isn't quite as good, but then he brings other attributes such as athleticism and the ability to get up and down the pitch at speed. Personally I think he'll be one of the last players to be upgraded.
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2022, 11:08:17 AM
His crossing and general distribution is top notch.
And his first thought is a forward one. Targett would get a long ball under control then pass backwards.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 11, 2022, 11:08:22 AM
Yep, Digne is class but his delivery is starting to show up Cash's on the other side.
I reckon Gerrard will be in for someone of Digne's level on the right over the summer.
I'd be hugely surprised if that happens. Cash's delivery isn't quite as good, but then he brings other attributes such as athleticism and the ability to get up and down the pitch at speed. Personally I think he'll be one of the last players to be upgraded.
Was just about to post something similar Risso, replacing Cash is the least of our concerns atm.
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2022, 11:09:21 AM
Yep, Digne is class but his delivery is starting to show up Cash's on the other side.
I reckon Gerrard will be in for someone of Digne's level on the right over the summer.
Cash that just signed a new 5 year deal and has been our player of the season?
There's no way he's being replaced.
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2022, 11:21:58 AM
Post by: Keeno on May 11, 2022, 11:22:05 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 11, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
Also, some of McGinn's balls from the left have also been superb in the last two games, between them they are giving defenders a torid time.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 11, 2022, 12:48:16 PM
Post by: Ad@m on May 11, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 02:02:06 PM
Post by: nigel on May 12, 2022, 08:54:16 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2022, 04:10:47 PM
I'd be hugely surprised if that happens. Cash's delivery isn't quite as good, but then he brings other attributes such as athleticism and the ability to get up and down the pitch at speed. Personally I think he'll be one of the last players to be upgraded.
Reading the match thread on RAWK, in between moaning about Jon Moss (I know) and how much we hate them, Cash was the one player they said they wouldn't mind signing from us.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2022, 05:35:17 PM
Plays the left back role Gerrard wants and did well enough today v tricky Palace team.
Post by: boozey182 on May 16, 2022, 11:11:54 AM
I was worried that he didn't really offer much more than we already had, as he took a while to get going, but the last week or so he has been very good. He's not as quick as I'd like, but he has real quality on the ball and his first touch is excellent, which gives him that split second extra.
A full pre-season and I'm sure he will be a very important player for us next year.
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2022, 12:32:38 PM
I get it with Digne now.
I was worried that he didn't really offer much more than we already had, as he took a while to get going, but the last week or so he has been very good. He's not as quick as I'd like, but he has real quality on the ball and his first touch is excellent, which gives him that split second extra.
A full pre-season and I'm sure he will be a very important player for us next year.
I said pretty much the same to my mate yesterday, without any disrespect to Targett who I rate, he's clearly a significant upgrade. More of this sort of thing please.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2022, 03:49:38 PM
That's the same number of assists as Cash (36 matches), McGinn (33 matches) and Luiz (29 matches ,2 sub)who have all made 3 assists but in lot more game time.
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2022, 05:32:18 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 17, 2022, 12:04:46 AM
He also notched one in Gerrard's first away game.
Post by: Bad English on May 17, 2022, 06:13:10 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 17, 2022, 07:53:34 AM
Post by: Bad English on June 06, 2022, 12:17:11 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 06, 2022, 01:26:04 PM
Digne is likely to be starting for France against Croatia. Deschamps is having a shuffle of the pack after losing to Denmark.
Any sign of Boubbaca getting a look in?
Post by: Astnor on June 06, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 06, 2022, 11:48:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2022, 11:50:31 PM
I like Digne but I hope Gerrard fines him to the hilt for this, absolutely laughable
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2022, 11:51:07 PM
Having to go off to get your cock ring off and seeing us concede while it is happening is grotesquely unprofessional.
I like Digne but I hope Gerrard fines him to the hilt for this, absolutely laughable
He'll probably fine Mings.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2022, 12:07:08 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2022, 12:25:47 AM
I wonder if Mings saw the diamond stud in Digne's ear as they were walking out, and thought 'that's not right, but none of my business...'
Well, if he did I would that say was petulant and unprofessional, but very unlikely given Tyrone is such great guy and loves the Villa so much.
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2022, 12:29:46 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2022, 12:49:35 AM
Post by: Jim Bradley on August 07, 2022, 07:28:55 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 09:35:05 AM
I'm confused. The BBC originally reported that he was off the pitch when the first goal was scored to remove jewellery and later they changed their same post match report to say this was because he had blood on his shirt. Then on MOTD he's clearly on the pitch marking one of their players at the back post? Maybe out of position but definitely on the pitch. A bit of scapegoating going on methinks...I think he was off the pitch when we conceded the corner from which they scored, because the twat thought it ok to wear jewellery on a football pitch.
Post by: Mooro on August 07, 2022, 10:04:06 AM
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 10:06:18 AM
On the pitch when they scored.
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2022, 12:22:51 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
It's all very amateurish though. If Ref had issue he should've spotted it in the tunnel anyway and told him to take it off then rather than minute into the game.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 07, 2022, 07:33:31 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 07:35:43 PM
probably been wearing the dam things all his career - just one over fussy officialabsolute basics, even at amateur level.
The players fault no one else.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 07:49:45 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 07:53:16 PM
He isn't very good ,much prefer Targett another disaster made by the club.
Please just stop.
Post by: dave shelley on August 07, 2022, 07:54:40 PM
probably been wearing the dam things all his career - just one over fussy officialabsolute basics, even at amateur level.
The players fault no one else.
probably been wearing the dam things all his career - just one over fussy officialabsolute basics, even at amateur level.
The players fault no one else.
For years it has been mandatory that regarding players wearing jewelry, the jewelry if deemed to be dangerous to himself or opponents must either remove it or have it taped up so that any danger is nullified.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
He isn't very good ,much prefer Targett another disaster made by the club.
You're gonna need a bigger boat.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2022, 08:17:18 PM
He was on the field for the actual corner.
It's all very amateurish though. If Ref had issue he should've spotted it in the tunnel anyway and told him to take it off then rather than minute into the game.
I don't think it's the ref's job to inspect players ear lobes before the game begins.
Post by: dave shelley on August 07, 2022, 08:57:41 PM
He was on the field for the actual corner.
It's all very amateurish though. If Ref had issue he should've spotted it in the tunnel anyway and told him to take it off then rather than minute into the game.
I don't think it's the ref's job to inspect players ear lobes before the game begins.
It is.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 07, 2022, 09:16:11 PM
He isn't very good ,much prefer Targett another disaster made by the club.
really he's twice the player Targett ever was.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2022, 11:49:09 PM
He was on the field for the actual corner.
It's all very amateurish though. If Ref had issue he should've spotted it in the tunnel anyway and told him to take it off then rather than minute into the game.
I don't think it's the ref's job to inspect players ear lobes before the game begins.
It is.
Seriously? Is it also incumbent on the referee to inspect all of the players hands before a game?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2022, 12:06:04 AM
Seriously? Is it also incumbent on the referee to inspect all of the players hands before a game?
Only at The Sty where they have to check the number of fingers.
Post by: OzVilla on August 08, 2022, 12:59:28 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2022, 09:13:56 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 09:20:23 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2022, 10:13:44 AM
Pretty familiar to anyone that's played Sunday football I would've thought, not every ref bothered but some would always check boots, rings, chains etc.
What about knuckle-dusters? Or do they come under rings?
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 10:17:09 AM
Pretty familiar to anyone that's played Sunday football I would've thought, not every ref bothered but some would always check boots, rings, chains etc.
What about knuckle-dusters? Or do they come under rings?
Keep it tucked in your Peter Withe wristband for when it's needed. Joking aside, I used to play with a lad that kept one in his kitbag which he always bought out to the pitch, just in case.
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2022, 10:25:43 AM
... and rings taped up...Seems a little extreme
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
... and rings taped up...Seems a little extreme
Sovereign rings can do a fair bit of damage.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 08, 2022, 10:31:32 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2022, 10:36:51 AM
Pretty familiar to anyone that's played Sunday football I would've thought, not every ref bothered but some would always check boots, rings, chains etc.
What about knuckle-dusters? Or do they come under rings?
Keep it tucked in your Peter Withe wristband for when it's needed. Joking aside, I used to play with a lad that kept one in his kitbag which he always bought out to the pitch, just in case.
I once refused to start a game when I saw a goalkeeper throw his cap and spare gloves into the back of the net along with a flick knife, think of that if you will. What I learned from that is:
a) I should have sent him off immediately, I didn't.
b) I should not have started the match, I did.
c) I should have called the police, I didn't.
d) I should have reported it to the league officials, l didn't.
I was a novice at the time but really that was no excuse. I learned.
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2022, 10:44:33 AM
Linesman)(pointing) Over there ref.
Referee) (not best pleased) I said rings not Ings.
Linesman) Sorry ref I though you said Mings (points at bench).
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2022, 11:54:57 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 08, 2022, 12:01:02 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
Pre-match protocol would go something like this: Referee or Linesman would enter the dressing rooms, inspect the footwear of all players and then say something along the lines of: Gentlemen please ensure all jewelry is removed and rings taped up. The fact that Digne didn't remove his shows that he and the referee/linesman was derelict in their duty.Of course you're right, but it truly shouldn't be necessary at this level. I blame the player entirely.
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2022, 02:21:43 PM
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2022, 06:27:45 PM
I've always had a thing about how bad left footed players right feet are, lazy bastards.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 13, 2022, 07:22:51 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 13, 2022, 07:58:13 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 13, 2022, 08:50:27 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2022, 09:18:07 PM
USE YOUR RIGHT FOOT YOU LEFT FOOTED DIV!
I've always had a thing about how bad left footed players right feet are, lazy bastards.
Huh...you think righties are stronger on their left?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
USE YOUR RIGHT FOOT YOU LEFT FOOTED DIV!
I've always had a thing about how bad left footed players right feet are, lazy bastards.
Huh...you think righties are stronger on their left?
I said to my son look at the benefit when you can use both feet for the (Ings goal)
Watkins ( Who I thought looked lively) had an opportunity to go through but went to his favoured right in to trouble rather
into space on the left
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2022, 10:18:28 PM
Thought possibly his worst game for us . Got beaten time and again by a youngster, a cheating youngster mind
How did that little knob get away with 3 shirt pulls and a hack without a booking first half!
Digne stated slowly last season and by May was very good, hoping he'll get up to speed soon
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 13, 2022, 11:43:13 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 02:43:26 PM
But I have faith LD bounce back and he must make his attacking play and crosses tell today as he has a quality left foot.
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Post by: villainabroad on August 20, 2022, 03:58:20 PM
Post by: Mellin on August 20, 2022, 04:54:13 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on August 20, 2022, 04:55:18 PM
Maybe I'm being far too harsh.
Just don't see the appeal
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 20, 2022, 05:04:01 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 20, 2022, 05:05:20 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 20, 2022, 05:21:02 PM
Upgrade on Targett? Not under the current manager!
On today’s showing he’s not an improvement. Becoming a bit of a liability too.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2022, 05:25:36 PM
Off the pitch to remove jewellery and they attacked his side to get the corner they scored from
Scored an own goal
Conceded a penalty
He's not shit but it's not a great start to the season for him.
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 20, 2022, 05:26:40 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 20, 2022, 08:09:46 PM
Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2022, 08:14:03 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 09:52:49 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 20, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 11:44:25 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2022, 12:19:16 AM
Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2022, 11:15:26 AM
Post by: TonyD on August 21, 2022, 12:03:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 12:10:46 PM
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2022, 09:19:57 PM
Post by: Ad@m on August 23, 2022, 10:29:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on August 23, 2022, 10:33:59 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 24, 2022, 01:15:06 AM
I reckon Bolton would have done better having a ‘first man back’ goalie.
For some reason, he was obsessed with Ollie. Led to 2 of our goals.
Either Watkins put the hex on him or there was shithousery during one of our early corners and he wanted to give him a smack. He did make some good saves, to be fair to the fella.
I was impressed with Bolton in the first half, and I think they will do well this season.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2022, 02:08:29 PM
Shambolic goalkeeping for his goal but I did enjoy him giving the keeper the eyes before slotting it in to the largely open net!
Exactly what happened - the keeper set up to try to intercept the ball across to Watkins but got his angles completely wrong giving Digne the opportunity to slot him.
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 02:22:56 PM
Shambolic goalkeeping for his goal but I did enjoy him giving the keeper the eyes before slotting it in to the largely open net!
Exactly what happened - the keeper set up to try to intercept the ball across to Watkins but got his angles completely wrong giving Digne the opportunity to slot him.
We weren't that clinical. ;)
Post by: usav on August 24, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 28, 2022, 07:32:16 PM
Post by: LukeJames on August 28, 2022, 07:33:56 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2022, 07:47:26 PM
Post by: rougegorge on August 28, 2022, 07:54:55 PM
This player will be Gerrard's epitaph. Awful signing.A position that wasn't a priority given our other needs. I keep thinking he must be good because he had played so many times for France but he hasn't been good for us at all and he wasn't doing well at Everton when we signed him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 07:55:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 08:01:14 PM
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 08:27:49 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 08:33:57 PM
Had the ball down the touchline and he was taking an age to decide to clear it upfield and Rice came charging in and booted it away for a throw in to mass cheers from the away end.
Was defending him last season but he's not been at the races so far.
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2022, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 28, 2022, 08:36:56 PM
Post by: colin69 on August 29, 2022, 12:04:38 AM
That last ditch tackle on Bowen though, that was magnificent.Yes he did very well there, but the rest of the game he was awful.
Maybe it’s the system but did we really need him?
Post by: ROBBO on August 29, 2022, 01:52:56 AM
Post by: rooboy316 on August 29, 2022, 04:26:16 AM
Like watching Neil Taylor again - always looking to come inside and lay it off squareUnlike Taylor, I think this is down to the system. Both Cash and Digne are skillful for fullbacks, but not skillful enough to play as wingers when we are attacking, which is what they are being asked to do. They can't take on teams by themselves, and don't have enough overlap opportunities in our setup.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 29, 2022, 05:53:08 AM
Unlike Taylor, I think this is down to the system. Both Cash and Digne are skillful for fullbacks, but not skillful enough to play as wingers when we are attacking, which is what they are being asked to do. They can't take on teams by themselves, and don't have enough overlap opportunities in our setup.
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I think this is one of the many flaws with the 'tactics'. The fullbacks should be a link in the chain to get it to the attackers, not the final destination. I can't imagine having Grealish drop back to provide cover for Targett to constantly get forward.
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2022, 08:39:26 AM
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 29, 2022, 08:47:25 AM
Post by: andyh on August 29, 2022, 08:49:09 AM
The rest of the season he’s been awful. I wonder why ?
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2022, 09:44:49 AM
Post by: dr.chekov on September 20, 2022, 09:46:31 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 20, 2022, 11:47:09 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 20, 2022, 11:52:13 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2022, 01:04:07 PM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.
He was so last month.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 20, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.Augustinusson? Probably on duty with Sweden.
Post by: Beard82 on September 20, 2022, 03:10:21 PM
Jaysus, he was only called up to the France squad yesterday, wasn't he?FFS - what did he do, jump for joy and do his ankle in when he landed
Post by: dave shelley on September 20, 2022, 03:30:00 PM
Jaysus, he was only called up to the France squad yesterday, wasn't he?FFS - what did he do, jump for joy and do his ankle in when he landed
Perhaps it's a Gallic fuck you, for not selecting him in the first place.
Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2022, 08:15:00 PM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.What, the guy that Gerrard didn't give a run-out to away at Bolton??!
Nothing like preparing players for their potential introduction to the first team.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2022, 09:37:11 PM
I think this is one of the many flaws with the 'tactics'. The fullbacks should be a link in the chain to get it to the attackers, not the final destination. I can't imagine having Grealish drop back to provide cover for Targett to constantly get forward.
Unlike Taylor, I think this is down to the system. Both Cash and Digne are skillful for fullbacks, but not skillful enough to play as wingers when we are attacking, which is what they are being asked to do. They can't take on teams by themselves, and don't have enough overlap opportunities in our setup.
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That’s what Gerrard would have him doing.
Post by: Gareth on September 21, 2022, 09:26:50 AM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.What, the guy that Gerrard didn't give a run-out to away at Bolton??!
Nothing like preparing players for their potential introduction to the first team.
He was injured for Bolton game wasn’t he?
Post by: Mister E on September 21, 2022, 11:31:00 AM
Maybe ... I actually can't remember! But I did think it weird at the time that he wasn't getting a game.He was injured for Bolton game wasn’t he?Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.What, the guy that Gerrard didn't give a run-out to away at Bolton??!
Nothing like preparing players for their potential introduction to the first team.
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 21, 2022, 11:54:46 AM
Post by: john e on September 21, 2022, 12:43:54 PM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.
Do you mean Hans Carl Ludwig Augustinsson
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 21, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2022, 12:58:43 PM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.
Do you mean Hans Carl Ludwig Augustinsson
Don't thnk Gerrard will get a tune out of him
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2022, 02:13:51 PM
stress fracture of the ankle apparently. 4-8 weeks then I'd guess?
FFS! It's never just a slight muscle pull with us is it? I would guess 4-8 weeks might be OK for normal people who might then just be sat at a desk all day, but for a professional footballer to then be playing on it must make it at least 8 weeks, surely? And then time to get properly match fit again.
Post by: paul_e on September 21, 2022, 02:29:54 PM
stress fracture of the ankle apparently. 4-8 weeks then I'd guess?
FFS! It's never just a slight muscle pull with us is it? I would guess 4-8 weeks might be OK for normal people who might then just be sat at a desk all day, but for a professional footballer to then be playing on it must make it at least 8 weeks, surely? And then time to get properly match fit again.
It's just long enough that he'll probably be getting fit just in time for the world cup break.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2022, 04:12:45 PM
Where's the bloke we signed to cover at left back? Can't even remember his name.
Do you mean Hans Carl Ludwig Augustinsson
Aye, that's him, John!
Post by: Ian. on September 21, 2022, 07:11:10 PM
Bloody hell, we’ve been dealt some serious bad luck with injuries.
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 21, 2022, 07:17:28 PM
Post by: Beard82 on September 21, 2022, 07:19:14 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 21, 2022, 09:04:11 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 21, 2022, 09:27:25 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2022, 09:30:03 PM
Post by: Villafirst on September 22, 2022, 04:25:23 AM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on September 22, 2022, 08:27:15 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 12:36:39 PM
We so often put injuries down to luck, or lack of. It is that but it is so much more from conditioning and recuperation to nutrition and rest. To be successful it would seem that our approach to all of these could benefit from a review along with our tactics and approach to training.
Those factors would be more important if we were seeing muscular injuries but what we've had so far, other than Cash, have been stress injuries which are far more likely to be one-off problems that are hard to mitigate for.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2022, 12:40:08 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on September 22, 2022, 12:46:37 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 12:47:35 PM
Plus Carlos was injured at the end of only his second game for us, which even if we had the worst strength and conditioning staff in the world wouldn't be time for it to have en effect. We've just been unlucky. Carlos landed funny after an aerial challenge with Onana, and Kamara appeared to twist his knee in a tackle with a Saints player.
Yep both stress injuries I suspect, as is Digne's. It's the same sort of injuries that you often see in fast bowlers because of the amount of pressure applied to specific joints, etc. In cricket this has been a known issue for many, many years and has expert medical staff working with players and it's still unavoidable.
Post by: Gareth on September 22, 2022, 01:03:40 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
Same for Cash really, but I wish KKH was about to benefit from this.
It's the Kamara injury that is the real choker.
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2022, 06:57:14 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 24, 2022, 07:26:34 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 24, 2022, 07:35:04 PM
Come on now, Daz, there's no such thing as curses....right? :-\
Diss Big Daz and come back to us on that one.
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 26, 2022, 06:26:39 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 26, 2022, 11:20:45 PM
Both very fair points Paul and Russo.
Bloody hell, I thought we had the recently-deceased boss of the Columbo crime family posting for a minute there. I almost went to the celebrity fans thread.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2022, 07:12:50 PM
Hopefully can discover some form and provide balance and quality on the left.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 29, 2022, 07:26:14 PM
You're doing that snookering threads thing again, and it's really really annoying.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
He would be the right type of profile player as long as his attitude is acceptable to Unai and the coaching staff.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 04, 2022, 03:26:27 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 04, 2022, 03:30:56 PM
Why would his attitude be unacceptable?Probably because of his rift with Benitez at Everton. They were playing disgustingly shit football.. set out to hold a 0-0 draw until halftime and then have a go in the last third of the match.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 04, 2022, 03:42:01 PM
Benítez claimed the player was more interested in personal statistics than helping the team through a difficult period.Why would his attitude be unacceptable?Probably because of his rift with Benitez at Everton. They were playing disgustingly shit football.. set out to hold a 0-0 draw until halftime and then have a go in the last third of the match.
And as Pako who had 11 years with Benítez would have this not unnoticed.
Post by: Drummond on November 04, 2022, 03:58:06 PM
Benítez claimed the player was more interested in personal statistics than helping the team through a difficult period.Why would his attitude be unacceptable?Probably because of his rift with Benitez at Everton. They were playing disgustingly shit football.. set out to hold a 0-0 draw until halftime and then have a go in the last third of the match.
And as Pako who had 11 years with Benítez would have this not unnoticed.
And he fell out with Benitez, the same way Digne did. You're making stuff up.
Post by: villadelph on November 04, 2022, 03:59:23 PM
Benítez claimed the player was more interested in personal statistics than helping the team through a difficult period.Why would his attitude be unacceptable?Probably because of his rift with Benitez at Everton. They were playing disgustingly shit football.. set out to hold a 0-0 draw until halftime and then have a go in the last third of the match.
And as Pako who had 11 years with Benítez would have this not unnoticed.
And he fell out with Benitez, the same way Digne did. You're making stuff up.
Its also pretty telling that Benitez has been without a job for the last 10 months, with plenty of vacancies throughout Europe.
Post by: Risso on November 04, 2022, 04:25:54 PM
And he fell out with Benitez, the same way Digne did. You're making stuff up.
And fell out with him 15 years ago. I don't think he'll have taken much notice of the Benitez/Digne dynamic to be honest.
Post by: Drummond on November 04, 2022, 04:30:59 PM
And he fell out with Benitez, the same way Digne did. You're making stuff up.
And fell out with him 15 years ago. I don't think he'll have taken much notice of the Benitez/Digne dynamic to be honest.
Exactly.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 04, 2022, 04:59:43 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 12:36:16 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 06, 2022, 12:37:04 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 02:30:23 PM
That's what he can do.
Emery has form in helping players on free kicks and set plays.
Post by: Bad English on November 06, 2022, 02:54:40 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 06:53:47 PM
Emery has prior experience with this, as Xaka scored a free kick against Palace that was credited to Emery.
Unai is a detail-oriented, and has an understanding of everything including how the Manchester United wall lines up, and because we have the quality in Digne's left foot he was encouraged to shoot and he scored.
Legend has it there was a super free kick goal scored by Negredo for Almería in which Emery had them practicing in training they never scored it but did so in an actual match after Emery said I want you to try the free kick in the game
It was flicked up and then Negredo volleyed it in.
This was all down to Emery encouragement.
What a manager he is!
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2022, 06:54:32 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 07:07:33 PM
We have a set piece specialist coach, remember. :)Yes McPhee is part of that and he's a specialist
And we have a special manager, one of the best managers in the game in all aspects, including set pieces.
He has demonstrated his ability to go into great detail.
That goal was down in great detail to Emery today, in fact I would say as were the other goals because Unai asked them to get into the spaces Man United leave. Bailey and Ramsey did that and scored.
The players merely carried it out, but it was Emery's brilliance that made it possible though ultimately it's the quality of the players who were able to finish especially the free kick by Digne
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 07:10:43 PM
'Upgrade on Targett.'
And the free kick would not be scored by Targett, adding to the argument that Digne is an upgrade due to his ability in delivery and the fact that, unlike Targett, he can score a free kick like one today.
Also, Targett is now on the bench at Newcastle, having been replaced by a 6'6 centre back who plays out of position but preferred.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 06, 2022, 07:18:38 PM
We have a set piece specialist coach, remember. :)
Every club does. Although to be fair, it's rare for it to be your starting goalkeeper.
Post by: Risso on November 06, 2022, 07:24:07 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 06, 2022, 07:26:41 PM
It was a great goal by Digne, although I'm not sure how much coaching had to do with it. I mean, even I'd tell him to try to bend it round the wall and into the goal.
I doubt Martinez just decided on the spur of the moment to do what he did.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2022, 07:30:09 PM
Post by: Risso on November 06, 2022, 07:33:03 PM
It was a great goal by Digne, although I'm not sure how much coaching had to do with it. I mean, even I'd tell him to try to bend it round the wall and into the goal.
I doubt Martinez just decided on the spur of the moment to do what he did.
What did he do?
Post by: PeterWithe on November 06, 2022, 07:34:25 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 06, 2022, 07:36:48 PM
Ive missed this as well, what did Emy do from the other end of the pitch?
He positioned Mings to block their keeper.
https://twitter.com/villanstogether/status/1589305441712209920?s=46&t=GSprICRSaV2KLBiNnP3T1g
Post by: PeterWithe on November 06, 2022, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 06, 2022, 07:46:04 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 06, 2022, 07:50:18 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_sZ3AceuTs
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 06, 2022, 08:00:53 PM
It was a great goal by Digne, although I'm not sure how much coaching had to do with it. I mean, even I'd tell him to try to bend it round the wall and into the goal.
I doubt Martinez just decided on the spur of the moment to do what he did.
He's done it before, only the ensuing free kicks have been shit.
Post by: LukeJames on November 07, 2022, 07:12:13 PM
Post by: usav on November 07, 2022, 07:34:25 PM
How's his surname pronounced? This last 24 hours alone I have heard Din-yay, Din and Deen.
Closer to Deen, I believe. However, I'm sure Mr Bad English can educate us.
Post by: eamonn on November 07, 2022, 07:35:36 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 08, 2022, 06:20:28 AM
You should hear people on French TV pronoucing English names though.
"Lie sester shear"
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2022, 09:23:05 AM
Deen-ye, I think. BE can confirm. But most commentators bastardise it as much as Maar-tinez when it's Mar-teeen-eth.
Mar-teen-ez, surely? They don't pronounce "ez" as "eth" in Argentina, I don't think?
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2022, 09:23:36 AM
Post by: bob on November 08, 2022, 12:36:03 PM
Also told me Sanson is wank and Kamara awesome.
Post by: bob on November 08, 2022, 12:37:12 PM
Yes, eamonn is closest. https://www.wordreference.com/fren/digne
You should hear people on French TV pronoucing English names though.
"Lie sester shear"
OK but the -ye must be very soft
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 08, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Cleraly a chant of Deano can be revived!
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2022, 01:49:15 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2022, 02:50:25 PM
Where did I keep all of those 'facepalm' memes from the gregnash years?
Probably on some brick of a laptop somewhere. I know technology moves quick, but Jesus laptops from a few years ago look and feel like they came out of the ark.
Anyway, sorry, straying off topic there.
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2022, 03:06:48 PM
Where did I keep all of those 'facepalm' memes from the gregnash years?
Probably on some brick of a laptop somewhere. I know technology moves quick, but Jesus laptops from a few years ago look and feel like they came out of the ark.
Anyway, sorry, straying off topic there.
Staying well off topic, I disagree, my old work laptop from 2015 was great, I had one of the Lenovo Yoga 3s which would still look great now:
(https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Lenovo/Yoga_3_Pro/yoga3pro.png)
We did have a thing for bronze, copper and orange for a while though because the follow up was a HP spectre:
(https://img-cdn.tnwcdn.com/image?fit=1280%2C720&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn0.tnwcdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fblogs.dir%2F1%2Ffiles%2F2021%2F08%2FHP-Spectre-x360-14-1-of-7.jpg&signature=b273734ba382a58d403431a960fd1708)
Sorry, completely off topic and more than a bit showy-offy about the fact that my place was giving us stylish looking kit long before it was the norm.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2022, 03:27:29 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2022, 03:31:57 PM
I reckon it's genuinely the best computer I've ever had. And also one of the cheapest.
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2022, 05:14:34 PM
I've got a lovely little HP Elitebook now, but I was going through the loft at the weekend and pulled out an old one of mine from about 10 years out, nearly put my back out.
Yeah that's what I'm using for work now and I have an asus rog (which is bulky but runs a lot cooler than the HP) for playing games and watching little rivers on.
Post by: WassallVillain on November 08, 2022, 06:24:58 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 08, 2022, 06:42:14 PM
Where did I keep all of those 'facepalm' memes from the gregnash years?Fuck, I remember him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2022, 07:32:08 PM
Where did I keep all of those 'facepalm' memes from the gregnash years?Fuck, I remember him.
I see Beckford's at it again.
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2022, 07:43:05 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2022, 07:48:44 PM
Deen-ye, I think. BE can confirm. But most commentators bastardise it as much as Maar-tinez when it's Mar-teeen-eth.
Mar-teen-ez, surely? They don't pronounce "ez" as "eth" in Argentina, I don't think?
Correct. The lisping is a purely Spanish thing.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2022, 06:35:39 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 05, 2023, 08:36:18 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 08:52:57 AM
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 05, 2023, 08:58:16 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2023, 09:03:23 AM
I thought Augustinsson looked much more effective than Digne when he came on, so wouldn't be shocked to see him given a chance now. Digne was sloppy all night, culminating in that ridiculous attempt at a first time volleyed cross/Van Basten shot that sailed into the Holte End.
I liked that he was subbed almost immediately after that. I doubt it was because of it, but it deserved to be.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 05, 2023, 09:11:45 AM
Post by: john e on January 05, 2023, 12:18:06 PM
But my 14-year-old thinks he’s the worst player in the team and says he’s absolutely rubbish
And he knows everything about football
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2023, 12:20:41 PM
I have a sneaking feeling (not just based on last night) that Emery also isn't convinced.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2023, 12:24:13 PM
I thought Augustinsson looked much more effective than Digne when he came on, so wouldn't be shocked to see him given a chance now. Digne was sloppy all night, culminating in that ridiculous attempt at a first time volleyed cross/Van Basten shot that sailed into the Holte End.
I liked that he was subbed almost immediately after that. I doubt it was because of it, but it deserved to be.
One of those moments when about 40k people put their chins on their chests, fingers on their foreheads and mutter 'fuck me'.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
I think he's decent, and an upgrade on Targett, but was rubbish last night.
Risso defending the full-backs but most other areas are problematic ;)
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 05, 2023, 12:37:58 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 05, 2023, 06:07:03 PM
I've noticed that he crosses when he is running at pace with the ball or when he sprints onto a pass. Though if he receives the ball when stood still or if he stops when in possession, he almost always passes backwards/sidewards.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2023, 07:03:40 PM
In the main I haven't been impressed by Digne since he has joined, he's an average defender, physically light and one paced. When he was getting those assists for Everton I'm assuming they had the likes of DCL and others ideally suited to getting on end of crosses? We don't have that.
I get the sense Emery isn't sold on either Cash (crossing is abysmal) or Digne but time will tell.
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2023, 08:35:56 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 05, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Mings doesn't pass to him unless he's already marked and has no option but to pass it back. When he's free waving for the ball he never gets it.
Yeah seemed like him and Mings were having a game between themselves in the first half last night of playing each other into trouble. He had a shocker last night, but think he is OK on the whole.
Post by: john2710 on January 10, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
I'm also don't think he rates Cash either.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 10, 2023, 10:09:20 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 10, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 12, 2023, 07:20:21 PM
Emery has given Digne a chance to prove himself but after that pathetic attempt at a cross the other night which Digne attempted on the volley when he had time to control the ball and provide an accurate one said everything. He was immediately hooked and rightly so. He's a decent player who can do some very good things but the problem is he follows them up with equally bad stuff, OG's positioning, stupid fouls and the like. If we are to progress we need better and that's what Moreno hopefully is. Digne will be back up or moved on.No, I believe Digne will remain a member of the squad.
Understandably, Emery employs a squad-based strategy.
With 5 subs and Emery's demanding nature, it's only natural to have quality options in this position. Digne is good enough quality.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2023, 03:56:04 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0VX4hfT/4420-A298-ED0-A-465-A-B20-E-F185-A5-B473-E4.png) (https://ibb.co/0VX4hfT)
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2023, 04:05:32 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2023, 04:08:13 PM
Post by: Bad English on February 04, 2023, 04:29:37 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 04, 2023, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 04, 2023, 05:22:18 PM
I thought he was decent going forward. Seen some blaming him for 3rd, really? I think second he should've seen Ihenacho drifting off Mings and tucking in as all FBs need to do when a cross is being swung in.
Seen him play worse for us.
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 05:25:43 PM
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2023, 05:34:16 PM
If you made a list of all their pros and cons, it's pretty much the same list twice, isn't it?
With probably speed (Moreno) and set pieces (Digne) being the differences.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 04, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
Mings was more to blame I thought.
Mings just does what he always does with crosses and gambles he can cut it out, this one was too good.
If the cross had come from the other side then Young is always very good at tucking in and heading it out for a corner.
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 05:38:50 PM
I definitely don't see enough in Moreno compared to Digne so far to think that left-back is where we should have focused all our first team transfer energy in January.
If you made a list of all their pros and cons, it's pretty much the same list twice, isn't it?
With probably speed (Moreno) and set pieces (Digne) being the differences.
Yep we seem to have prioritised left back and spent £40m upgrading from Targett to Moreno, while we still have Watkins missing sitters for fun. I can’t think of many teams where focusing so much on full backs has transformed their fortunes.
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2023, 05:39:34 PM
I definitely don't see enough in Moreno compared to Digne so far to think that left-back is where we should have focused all our first team transfer energy in January.
If you made a list of all their pros and cons, it's pretty much the same list twice, isn't it?
With probably speed (Moreno) and set pieces (Digne) being the differences.
I thought Moreno was a lot better going forward than Digne. Looks dangerous in the opposition box, just not fully on same wavelength as Buendia et al. He looks a very average defender, mind.
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2023, 05:40:04 PM
Post by: achilles on February 04, 2023, 05:44:55 PM
Mings was more to blame I thought.
Mings just does what he always does with crosses and gambles he can cut it out, this one was too good.
If the cross had come from the other side then Young is always very good at tucking in and heading it out for a corner.
No closing down of the cross, the player had all the time in the world to deliver it.
Not certain who was at fault for that, Young?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 04, 2023, 05:46:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2023, 05:48:07 PM
Bit of a scapegoat now.
I thought he was decent going forward. Seen some blaming him for 3rd, really? I think second he should've seen Ihenacho drifting off Mings and tucking in as all FBs need to do when a cross is being swung in.
Seen him play worse for us.
For their second he was definitely most at fault - he had no idea Iheanacho was there, and in any case, wasn't positioned where he should have been.
Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2023, 05:54:25 PM
Bit of a scapegoat now.
I thought he was decent going forward. Seen some blaming him for 3rd, really? I think second he should've seen Ihenacho drifting off Mings and tucking in as all FBs need to do when a cross is being swung in.
Seen him play worse for us.
For their second he was definitely most at fault - he had no idea Iheanacho was there, and in any case, wasn't positioned where he should have been.
The problem came slightly earlier than that, Mings headed it clear and he ran to mark castagne (I think) who already covered by Buendia instead of filtering in the close the space. He realised he was in the wrong and took a few steps in but was totally out of position once the cross came in.
As someone said above, swap sides and Young who's smaller and lighter gets in the way and stops that. It's frustrating because I think he had a decent game other than that mistake.
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2023, 05:58:05 PM
I definitely don't see enough in Moreno compared to Digne so far to think that left-back is where we should have focused all our first team transfer energy in January.
If you made a list of all their pros and cons, it's pretty much the same list twice, isn't it?
With probably speed (Moreno) and set pieces (Digne) being the differences.
I thought Moreno was a lot better going forward than Digne. Looks dangerous in the opposition box, just not fully on same wavelength as Buendia et al. He looks a very average defender, mind.
He looks more likely to dribble it past someone, sure.
But Digne's crosses seem to end up in the same postcode as whoever has accidentally found themselves in the box, whereas I reckon Moreno and Cash could probably have a lovely time over-hitting crosses to each other for a whole ninety minutes.
Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2023, 06:01:24 PM
I definitely don't see enough in Moreno compared to Digne so far to think that left-back is where we should have focused all our first team transfer energy in January.
If you made a list of all their pros and cons, it's pretty much the same list twice, isn't it?
With probably speed (Moreno) and set pieces (Digne) being the differences.
I thought Moreno was a lot better going forward than Digne. Looks dangerous in the opposition box, just not fully on same wavelength as Buendia et al. He looks a very average defender, mind.
He looks more likely to dribble it past someone, sure.
But Digne's crosses seem to end up in the same postcode as whoever has accidentally found themselves in the box, whereas I reckon Moreno and Cash could probably have a lovely time over-hitting crosses to each other for a whole ninety minutes.
bit harsh given Moreno crossed for our disallowed goal and for one that Bailey should've done better with.
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 06:01:52 PM
I definitely don't see enough in Moreno compared to Digne so far to think that left-back is where we should have focused all our first team transfer energy in January.
If you made a list of all their pros and cons, it's pretty much the same list twice, isn't it?
With probably speed (Moreno) and set pieces (Digne) being the differences.
I thought Moreno was a lot better going forward than Digne. Looks dangerous in the opposition box, just not fully on same wavelength as Buendia et al. He looks a very average defender, mind.
He looks more likely to dribble it past someone, sure.
But Digne's crosses seem to end up in the same postcode as whoever has accidentally found themselves in the box, whereas I reckon Moreno and Cash could probably have a lovely time over-hitting crosses to each other for a whole ninety minutes.
His stats when we signed him backed that up. Much better than Digne at dribbling but worse at crossing. Certainly doesn't look to be a player we won't be trying to upgrade again in a year or two.
Post by: TheMalandro on February 04, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
Not a patch on Alan Wright or Staunton.
Post by: Oklahoma on February 05, 2023, 10:48:10 PM
Such a disappointment yesterday. It seems we are some distance from getting the home form right. Emery is, I’m sure, trying desperately hard to show the home supporters a vibrant style and a winning team…..I have absolutely no doubt we will get there under UE.
UTV
Post by: Mister E on February 06, 2023, 09:18:01 AM
I’d take the Leicester guy, who was making his debut, over all 4 Villa full back options.Agreed, I thought Christianssen was immense on Lesta's left. Him and Tete were their stand-out players, both debuting.
Such a disappointment yesterday. It seems we are some distance from getting the home form right. Emery is, I’m sure, trying desperately hard to show the home supporters a vibrant style and a winning team…..I have absolutely no doubt we will get there under UE.
UTV
Post by: Dave on February 06, 2023, 10:35:39 AM
I’d take the Leicester guy, who was making his debut, over all 4 Villa full back options.Agreed, I thought Christianssen was immense on Lesta's left. Him and Tete were their stand-out players, both debuting.
Such a disappointment yesterday. It seems we are some distance from getting the home form right. Emery is, I’m sure, trying desperately hard to show the home supporters a vibrant style and a winning team…..I have absolutely no doubt we will get there under UE.
UTV
Nah, not having it. Everyone knows that it's impossible to sign anything but wasteful dross in January, therefore there's no point trying.
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2023, 10:41:24 AM
Post by: OCD on February 06, 2023, 10:42:36 AM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 06, 2023, 08:20:00 PM
To be fair Christiansen was only up against Bailey who was blatantly not interested after he'd got an early softener in.I’d take the Leicester guy, who was making his debut, over all 4 Villa full back options.Agreed, I thought Christianssen was immense on Lesta's left. Him and Tete were their stand-out players, both debuting.
Such a disappointment yesterday. It seems we are some distance from getting the home form right. Emery is, I’m sure, trying desperately hard to show the home supporters a vibrant style and a winning team…..I have absolutely no doubt we will get there under UE.
UTV
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 12:25:43 PM
Excellent work, Emery! His use of reverse psychology is really clever! Or should that be reserves psychology!
Another reason why Emery stands out.
Post by: Dave P on February 07, 2023, 12:27:51 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 07, 2023, 12:29:21 PM
If you see the Emery Presser vs. Leicester match Unai's use of forgeting Digne to fool us all is pretty clever. 11m 47 minutes into the video when asked about team news. El Maestro was saying who is and isn't avaliable and aboit players who are injured . We believe he's mentioned all there is to to know but wait! After a long moment and reluctance, he asks a companion, something like "Who else?" Wow Digne! -(I'm paraphrasing), but in a way to suggest he simply training. When he spoke more on McGinn to come in if needed.
Excellent work, Emery! His use of reverse psychology is really clever! Or should that be reserves psychology!
Another reason why Emery stands out.
Err, perhaps he forgot.
Post by: Bad English on February 07, 2023, 12:31:41 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 07, 2023, 06:25:05 PM
If you see the Emery Presser vs. Leicester match Unai's use of forgeting Digne to fool us all is pretty clever. 11m 47 minutes into the video when asked about team news. El Maestro was saying who is and isn't avaliable and aboit players who are injured . We believe he's mentioned all there is to to know but wait! After a long moment and reluctance, he asks a companion, something like "Who else?" Wow Digne! -(I'm paraphrasing), but in a way to suggest he simply training. When he spoke more on McGinn to come in if needed.Didn't help us on the day, though.
Excellent work, Emery! His use of reverse psychology is really clever! Or should that be reserves psychology!
Another reason why Emery stands out.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 07, 2023, 06:52:09 PM
If you see the Emery Presser vs. Leicester match Unai's use of forgeting Digne to fool us all is pretty clever. 11m 47 minutes into the video when asked about team news. El Maestro was saying who is and isn't avaliable and aboit players who are injured . We believe he's mentioned all there is to to know but wait! After a long moment and reluctance, he asks a companion, something like "Who else?" Wow Digne! -(I'm paraphrasing), but in a way to suggest he simply training. When he spoke more on McGinn to come in if needed.
Excellent work, Emery! His use of reverse psychology is really clever! Or should that be reserves psychology!
Another reason why Emery stands out.
So what was the point? Do you think Emery’s ‘psychology’ was intended to make Digne have a bit of a mare and not bother picking up the spare man in one of Leicester’s goals, all so he could sub him off for his preferred first-choice at half-time?
Job done, psychology genius.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 07:03:14 PM
If you see the Emery Presser vs. Leicester match Unai's use of forgeting Digne to fool us all is pretty clever. 11m 47 minutes into the video when asked about team news. El Maestro was saying who is and isn't avaliable and aboit players who are injured . We believe he's mentioned all there is to to know but wait! After a long moment and reluctance, he asks a companion, something like "Who else?" Wow Digne! -(I'm paraphrasing), but in a way to suggest he simply training. When he spoke more on McGinn to come in if needed.
Excellent work, Emery! His use of reverse psychology is really clever! Or should that be reserves psychology!
Another reason why Emery stands out.
So what was the point? Do you think Emery’s ‘psychology’ was intended to make Digne have a bit of a mare and not bother picking up the spare man in one of Leicester’s goals, all so he could sub him off for his preferred first-choice at half-time?
Job done, psychology genius.
Obviously, the outcome result was disappointing, but my focus was on the presser's Unai box of tricks and highlighting what we observed and heard
Unai played it wise to withhold the entire team's news during the press conference.
Declares that McGinn won't start before casually bringing up Digne.
I think the communication was clever.
When questioned about team news, he can play the media.As we saw he presented some useful information before pretending to forget about Digne, who ended up being the starting left back!
This, in my opinion, was amazing and closely mimicked how the sercet service and some high level police have interviewed and interrogated people and fooled criminals.
This ability is also reflected in Emery's team's playing style, as he has the ability to surprise the opposition.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 07, 2023, 07:05:02 PM
If you see the Emery Presser vs. Leicester match Unai's use of forgeting Digne to fool us all is pretty clever. 11m 47 minutes into the video when asked about team news. El Maestro was saying who is and isn't avaliable and aboit players who are injured . We believe he's mentioned all there is to to know but wait! After a long moment and reluctance, he asks a companion, something like "Who else?" Wow Digne! -(I'm paraphrasing), but in a way to suggest he simply training. When he spoke more on McGinn to come in if needed.
Excellent work, Emery! His use of reverse psychology is really clever! Or should that be reserves psychology!
Another reason why Emery stands out.
So what was the point? Do you think Emery’s ‘psychology’ was intended to make Digne have a bit of a mare and not bother picking up the spare man in one of Leicester’s goals, all so he could sub him off for his preferred first-choice at half-time?
Job done, psychology genius.
Obviously, the outcome result was disappointing, but my focus was on the presser's Unai box of tricks and highlighting what we observed and heard
Unai played it wise to withhold the entire team's news during the press conference.
Declares that McGinn won't start before casually bringing up Digne.
I think the communication was clever.
When questioned about team news, he can play the media.As we saw he presented some useful information before pretending to forget about Digne, who ended up being the starting left back!
This, in my opinion, was amazing and closely mimicked how the sercet service and some high level police have interviewed and interrogated people and fooled criminals.
This ability is also reflected in Emery's team's playing style, as he has the ability to surprise the opposition.
Christ on a bike mate, you live in an absolute dreamworld.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 07:16:05 PM
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 07, 2023, 07:17:48 PM
What does the phrase Christ on a bike mean?
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Yes, I think exasperation covers it.
Did you look up Dunning-Kruger?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2023, 07:24:54 PM
Unai played it wise to withhold the entire team's news during the press conference.
Declares that McGinn won't start before casually bringing up Digne.
I think the communication was clever.
When questioned about team news, he can play the media.As we saw he presented some useful information before pretending to forget about Digne, who ended up being the starting left back!
This, in my opinion, was amazing and closely mimicked how the sercet service and some high level police have interviewed and interrogated people and fooled criminals.
This ability is also reflected in Emery's team's playing style, as he has the ability to surprise the opposition.
Indeed, and that's why they call him 'El Maestro'.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 08:26:38 PM
'occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence'What does the phrase Christ on a bike mean?
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Yes, I think exasperation covers it.
Did you look up Dunning-Kruger?
So is this in regards to playing out from the back? And players thinking they are better footballers than they actually are? And that they don't necessarily have the ability to play Emery style of football.
It's an interesting concept.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 07, 2023, 09:38:39 PM
'occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence'What does the phrase Christ on a bike mean?
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Yes, I think exasperation covers it.
Did you look up Dunning-Kruger?
So is this in regards to playing out from the back? And players thinking they are better footballers than they actually are? And that they don't necessarily have the ability to play Emery style of football.
It's an interesting concept.
Blimey. Check out self-awareness as well.
Post by: Bad English on February 07, 2023, 09:49:44 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 11:25:55 PM
He's playing a blinder!
They. They're playing a blinder.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2023, 09:49:31 AM
He's playing a blinder!
They. They're playing a blinder.
My pronoun is He/Him/His
Thank You.
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2023, 09:57:58 AM
He's playing a blinder!
They. They're playing a blinder.
My pronoun is He/Him/His
Thank You.
Yours might be. What about the other posters who make up team FV?
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 09, 2023, 10:06:05 AM
What does the phrase Christ on a bike mean?
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Away from the keyboard, are you by chance Mr Logic from Viz?
Post by: Clampy on February 09, 2023, 10:37:30 AM
What does the phrase Christ on a bike mean?
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Away from the keyboard, are you by chance Mr Logic from Viz?
I reckon he's Johnny Fartpants.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2023, 10:50:28 AM
What does the phrase Christ on a bike mean?
expression of surprise, shock, exasperation
Interjection. Christ on a bike. A humorous variation of the exclamation "Christ alive" or "Christ" or "Jesus Christ". Usually an expression of surprise, shock, exasperation etc.
Away from the keyboard, are you by chance Mr Logic from Viz?
Roger Irrelevant more like.
Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2023, 11:04:32 AM
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2023, 11:14:17 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2023, 11:17:21 AM
Ivan Jelical. One for the true Viz aficionado there.
Oh yes.
Some of the one offs we're the greatest, though I couldn't really find a way to shoehorn Reverend Ramsden's Ringpiece Cathedral or Mickey's Monkey Spunk Moped into the discussion
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2023, 03:04:53 PM
He's playing a blinder!
They. They're playing a blinder.
My pronoun is He/Him/His
Thank You.
Yours might be. What about the other posters who make up team FV?
The audacity around here. Nothing of the sort. There's only one of me. Could you kindly refrain from such baiting!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2023, 03:10:58 PM
I am taking a long extended break as I'm very very very very disillusioned!
I will focus my energy on scouting and come back to contribute for the summer window because I'm finished discussions and debating for this season.
Up The Villa!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 09, 2023, 03:12:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2023, 03:12:55 PM
And people question my footballing theories! The nerve! A team of people. Well, I never heard some things so ridiculous!
Indeed, there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 09, 2023, 03:36:05 PM
Ivan Jelical. One for the true Viz aficionado there.
Oh yes.
Some of the one offs we're the greatest, though I couldn't really find a way to shoehorn Reverend Ramsden's Ringpiece Cathedral or Mickey's Monkey Spunk Moped into the discussion
It's always even funnier when you know someone that is similar/exactly like one of the characters, i used to work with someone that was the absolute living version of the main 'Real Ale Twat'. I've also known a few like 'Aldridge Prior' and i used to work with two women (who were best pals) that had more than a passing resemblance to 'The Fat Slags', right down to the hair styles.
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2023, 03:39:35 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 09, 2023, 03:47:43 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 09, 2023, 05:08:54 PM
He used to investigate fatal HGV accidents so I always assumed the shirts and ties were a defensive shield. It always cheered me up to think of him turning up to scenes of carnage dressed like that.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 09, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
And people question my footballing theories! The nerve! A team of people. Well, I never heard some things so ridiculous!
I am taking a long extended break as I'm very very very very disillusioned!
I will focus my energy on scouting and come back to contribute for the summer window because I'm finished discussions and debating for this season.
Up The Villa!
You could specialise in scouting the relegation threatened team?
A Bottom Inspector.
Post by: Bad English on February 09, 2023, 05:15:03 PM
Some of it is master baiting though.He's playing a blinder!
They. They're playing a blinder.
My pronoun is He/Him/His
Thank You.
Yours might be. What about the other posters who make up team FV?
The audacity around here. Nothing of the sort. There's only one of me. Could you kindly refrain from such baiting!
Post by: Rory on February 10, 2023, 03:41:28 AM
Some of it is master baiting though.He's playing a blinder!
They. They're playing a blinder.
My pronoun is He/Him/His
Thank You.
Yours might be. What about the other posters who make up team FV?
The audacity around here. Nothing of the sort. There's only one of me. Could you kindly refrain from such baiting!
Not relevant, and I know it's an old joke, but genuinely, the school a friend of mine went to decided to erase decades of tradition and change 'Head Master' to 'Head Teacher' when they appointed a bloke whose surname was Bates.
Post by: algy on February 10, 2023, 07:57:24 AM
Indeed, i still read it now. Still got enough laughs in it for the £4 or so it costs these days.Me too. Will usually get a copy when I've got a long train journey or generally feel like I need a screen break. The letters page always cracks me up.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 10, 2023, 12:54:15 PM
Post by: Risso on February 10, 2023, 01:02:45 PM
And the spoof adverts, ‘Borstal boy’ the mail order doll being one of my all time favourites.
"Daddy, this lemonade tastes funny"
Post by: LeeB on February 10, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
And the spoof adverts, ‘Borstal boy’ the mail order doll being one of my all time favourites.
(https://i.ibb.co/dpf0SNW/ESg1n-PJXYAIx8-G7.png) (https://ibb.co/dpf0SNW)
Post by: Drummond on February 10, 2023, 02:58:18 PM
And the spoof adverts, ‘Borstal boy’ the mail order doll being one of my all time favourites.
(https://i.ibb.co/dpf0SNW/ESg1n-PJXYAIx8-G7.png) (https://ibb.co/dpf0SNW)
Sounds like it's a new name for that lot, the 'Tag-Nut Blues'
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 10, 2023, 05:43:15 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 10, 2023, 05:46:23 PM
And the spoof adverts, ‘Borstal boy’ the mail order doll being one of my all time favourites.
"Daddy, this lemonade tastes funny"
That was around the same time :-)
Borstal boy - ‘So lifelike you’d think the little ****** had just broke in through your kitchen window’
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2023, 09:48:59 PM
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1693345021561356433?s=46
If it’s true then he is leaving after one of his best displays for us.
Post by: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 09:52:12 PM
Seemingly on his way to Nice.surely means Acuna is coming
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1693345021561356433?s=46
If it’s true then he is leaving after one of his best displays for us.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2023, 09:55:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 10:05:01 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 10:06:11 PM
Had a good game today. Was a constant outlet down that left hand side and loomed a threat going forward.He had the freedom of the left flank, won't have an easier game all season
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2023, 10:07:42 PM
Seemingly on his way to Nice.surely means Acuna is coming
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1693345021561356433?s=46
If it’s true then he is leaving after one of his best displays for us.
It had better be Acuna, and not Traveras.
Post by: usav on August 21, 2023, 12:35:28 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2023, 01:23:36 AM
I don’t understand why we are selling him. Moreno would be first choice for me, but it’s pretty darn close.
I can only think it is his wages and they don't want one of the top earners to be a back-up option.
Post by: Smirker on August 23, 2023, 06:57:44 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 23, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2023, 07:23:14 PM
Post by: danno on August 23, 2023, 07:31:27 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 23, 2023, 07:31:52 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 23, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
Emery is on about have 2 quality players in every position, we already have at LB so seems odd to mess with it.
Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 07:42:25 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 07:44:51 PM
Dare I say he's worth the wages playing like that?
No! He was given the freedom of Edinburgh, anyone half-decent would have had a field day.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 23, 2023, 07:47:10 PM
Dare I say he's worth the wages playing like that?
No! He was given the freedom of Edinburgh, anyone half-decent would have had a field day.
You still have the quality to put the ball in, his deliveries were perfect. If Cash had that much space he wouldn't have the same amount of assists.
Post by: usav on August 23, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
Dare I say he's worth the wages playing like that?
No! He was given the freedom of Edinburgh, anyone half-decent would have had a field day.
You still have the quality to put the ball in, his deliveries were perfect. If Cash had that much space he wouldn't have the same amount of assists.
Agreed. He's been excellent the last two games. Unless there is a compelling reason for him to leave, we should keep him.
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 07:55:21 PM
Post by: usav on August 23, 2023, 07:58:47 PM
Sod's law that he starts looking good when it looks like he's off.
To be fair, he was never terrible. He had Gerrard's cluelessness to deal with and then Moreno came in right after Emery so he lost his place. Just shows how good all of these players can be with the right coach.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 08:01:35 PM
Post by: Matt C on August 23, 2023, 08:04:35 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 08:07:22 PM
Against Everton he had more space than the distance between Earth & the Oort cloud.
Today was the distance between the Earth & the Sun.
Granted he has to be good enough to put in a decent cross (Matty Cash could learn a thing or two), but he has more than often flattered to deceive in the tough Prem games for us where space is limited.
But after those past two performances, its natural to be reactionary & think he is better than his previous 'however many' performances.
Which means his stock is high.
So are his wages.
Lets sell...
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2023, 08:39:50 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 23, 2023, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 08:45:46 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 23, 2023, 09:10:21 PM
Seems to finally be playing the way we expected him to when he signed
You can see that the team are starting to gel now too, I appreciate tonight wasn’t exactly hard, but you can only beat what is in front of you and we did so with ease.
Post by: danno on August 23, 2023, 09:12:54 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 23, 2023, 09:19:49 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 09:26:10 PM
He was great tonight but let's not go too overboard. Hibs are the equivalent to a League One team. Over the 2 legs putting 10+ goals past them could easily happen.
He was also great on Saturday. I know Everton were poor too, but the quality of his crosses has been exceptionally good.
Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 09:32:51 PM
He was great tonight but let's not go too overboard. Hibs are the equivalent to a League One team. Over the 2 legs putting 10+ goals past them could easily happen.
He was also great on Saturday. I know Everton were poor too, but the quality of his crosses has been exceptionally good.
This is my teeny tiny worry about the team in general. I feel like we still don't really know where we are. I know we're nowhere near as poor as the Newcastle result made us look, and we've bounced back well, but.... Everton are shit, Hibs are nowhere near the same level as us, and now we've got Burnley on the weekend. I don't think we'll really know where anyone is until the Liverpool game. Seems highly probable Digne will be gone by then though.
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2023, 09:36:17 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 09:42:13 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:46:50 PM
Unless he really wants to go for personal reasons or his salary is such a colossal problem (which I doubt) then I don’t see why we would create a staffing problem where there doesn’t need to be one.
Moreno and Digne as options there is fine.
I’d be more concerned about right back.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 09:51:00 PM
I thought Digne was awful at Newcastle but then again, he was far from the only one.
Unless he really wants to go for personal reasons or his salary is such a colossal problem (which I doubt) then I don’t see why we would create a staffing problem where there doesn’t need to be one.
Moreno and Digne as options there is fine.
I’d be more concerned about right back.
Yes that’s it, we don’t need to create a problem where there isn’t one. We have positions, like right back, where there are gaps that need addressing.
Post by: Gareth on August 23, 2023, 09:54:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 09:58:39 PM
After game Emery said more likely Digne stays than goes this summer…possible but not likely it seems
I wonder is that by choice or because the Acuña deal seems to be off. Either way I'd be happy for him to stay, as long as he's happy to be here.
Post by: mrfuse on August 23, 2023, 09:59:00 PM
He's too good a player to loan out especially with us thin at the back.
Post by: adrenachrome on August 23, 2023, 10:03:08 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2023, 10:39:15 PM
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 10:41:52 PM
Emery saying it's more likely that he'll be staying does suggest we'll only let him go if we feel that we can adequately replace him.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 23, 2023, 11:20:20 PM
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 11:31:42 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 11:43:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 12:30:04 AM
Johnson must have clocked after 20 minutes that our left hand-side and Digne's crossing ability was hurting them.
Post by: manic-road on August 24, 2023, 08:17:30 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2023, 08:36:05 AM
I expect better teams to have a plan for him, but you can only beat what's in front of you.
Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 08:44:32 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 24, 2023, 09:01:40 AM
Was he getting forward so much yesterday because Cash wasn't playing? It seems with Moreno out Cash is the one that was given the role of coming forward more, but last night that seemed to switch back to the left side allowing Konsa to stay where he was. Maybe that's how we should do it even when Cash plays.Cash played against Everton and I thought it was still Digne’s role to get forward more. Its always the left side bombing forward more for Emery.
Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 09:03:39 AM
Was he getting forward so much yesterday because Cash wasn't playing? It seems with Moreno out Cash is the one that was given the role of coming forward more, but last night that seemed to switch back to the left side allowing Konsa to stay where he was. Maybe that's how we should do it even when Cash plays.Cash played against Everton and I thought it was still Digne’s role to get forward more. Its always the left side bombing forward more for Emery.
Fair point. I just remember a lot of people complaining about Cash being no good going forward, but maybe it was just Cash in general they were complaining about.
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2023, 02:37:13 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 24, 2023, 03:23:30 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 24, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
I think we should keep him.This.
Post by: Paul.S on August 24, 2023, 04:04:06 PM
I think we should keep him.
Agreed. I think he’s been excellent so far.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 24, 2023, 04:09:52 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on August 24, 2023, 04:41:47 PM
It's pretty obvious that once Moreno is fit he'll be Emery’s first choice, relegating Digne to the bench.
And so we have a dilemma.
Digne is on £8.5m a year, has 3 years left on his contract,. That’s a total of £25.5m for effectively a back up player who will be touching 33 when his contract ends.
To put it simply Steeevie G and Pursestrings overpaid when he joined from Everton and Digne’s agent pulled our pants down at the time - that's our fault not his and he shouldn't be criticised for that.
Without doubt he'd have been moved on this summer given Unai's desire to bring in another player more suited to his tactics, set up and playing style.
However the injury to Moreno and the difficulty in finding a club prepared to offer him a comparable package have thrown us a curve ball.
Digne won't be happy sitting on the bench, but £8.5m pa will soften the blow. How much does he want regular first team football and what sacrifices is he prepared to make in order to get a move?
We might find out in the next week before the window closes.
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2023, 05:24:32 PM
Although Digne has done a good job recently, we can't escape the fact that his skills and abilities don't match what Unai wants in his left backs.
It's pretty obvious that once Moreno is fit he'll be Emery’s first choice, relegating Digne to the bench.
And so we have a dilemma.
Digne is on £8.5m a year, has 3 years left on his contract,. That’s a total of £25.5m for effectively a back up player who will be touching 33 when his contract ends.
To put it simply Steeevie G and Pursestrings overpaid when he joined from Everton and Digne’s agent pulled our pants down at the time - that's our fault not his and he shouldn't be criticised for that.
Without doubt he'd have been moved on this summer given Unai's desire to bring in another player more suited to his tactics, set up and playing style.
However the injury to Moreno and the difficulty in finding a club prepared to offer him a comparable package have thrown us a curve ball.
Digne won't be happy sitting on the bench, but £8.5m pa will soften the blow. How much does he want regular first team football and what sacrifices is he prepared to make in order to get a move?
We might find out in the next week before the window closes.
We might have 50+ games to play this season, and Moreno won’t be able to play them all. Digne doesn’t have the tricky winger skill set like Moreno, but he is capable of getting forward and putting quality balls in as he’s shown in all three games this season. Is somebody like Acuna (recent World Cup winner, looking for a final pay day) really going to come to Villa and be on that much less that it’s worth taking the risk on an older player who has never played in the Premier League before?
Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 05:47:49 PM
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 05:48:36 PM
Post by: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Thought that Moreno and Digne combination (Moreno started and Digne tended to come on towards the end) worked well last season, but think the issue is Digne's wages. Just think it doesn't make sense to have a back-up player as one of the highest earners at the club.
Yeah, if it's on our end that the move is being pushed then you'd have to assume its about balancing the books. I can't see any other reason we'd be a) letting a good player go, and b) leaving ourselves very short in that position.
Post by: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 08:01:17 PM
Thought that Moreno and Digne combination (Moreno started and Digne tended to come on towards the end) worked well last season, but think the issue is Digne's wages. Just think it doesn't make sense to have a back-up player as one of the highest earners at the club.
You don't want too many players on £120-50k wages as back up, true. But for the profile of the player (French international when he signed, ex Barcelona, PSG and Roma) it goes with the territory. He's still only 30 now, and it's not as if he's struggling to get onto the pitch like Phil.
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2023, 08:05:25 PM
It's not just that we could have 50+ games, but also that we can make 5 subs and he's a different type of player to Moreno. He gives Emery options to make tactical changes mid-game.
Post by: Baldy on August 24, 2023, 08:13:37 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2023, 08:16:47 PM
If we are really going to compete seriously with the big boys, 125 grand a week is peanuts.
Exactly, look at what Yanited are paying some of their players who have been far from productive e.g Sancho.
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2023, 08:20:20 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2023, 08:24:24 PM
If we are really going to compete seriously with the big boys, 125 grand a week is peanuts.
A sentence that while true depresses the fuck out of me. For context, that's reckoned to be approx 50k a week more than the entire Hibs first team squad are paid.
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2023, 08:49:15 PM
Post by: Smithy on August 24, 2023, 11:08:16 PM
Wasn’t it rumoured that we offered Chukwuemeka close to that?
I thought the rumour was Chelsea were offering him £100k a week, and we wouldn't match it? If we HAD kept him on £100k-ish a week, I can imagine the carnage it would have caused in the dressing room, plus every agent would have been demanding meetings with the CEO to renegotiate their clients' contracts.
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 24, 2023, 11:43:36 PM
If we are really going to compete seriously with the big boys, 125 grand a week is peanuts.
A sentence that while true depresses the fuck out of me. For context, that's reckoned to be approx 50k a week more than the entire Hibs first team squad are paid.
And last night showed why.
You get what you pay for.
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 25, 2023, 02:17:03 AM
In these last 2 games, McGinn has drifted inside as part of the box. Digne operating down the entire left flank with nothing in front of him, and Pau covering behind.
Which is pretty common when J. Ramsey is playing there too.
He often floats into the centre.
Post by: algy on August 25, 2023, 06:19:05 AM
Thought Purslow said we matched Chelsea's offer but Chuk wanted out. Might've misremembered though.Wasn’t it rumoured that we offered Chukwuemeka close to that?
I thought the rumour was Chelsea were offering him £100k a week, and we wouldn't match it? If we HAD kept him on £100k-ish a week, I can imagine the carnage it would have caused in the dressing room, plus every agent would have been demanding meetings with the CEO to renegotiate their clients' contracts.
Either way, that sort of a wage for someone who'd played a dozen matches, generally as a sub, would be utterly ridiculous. As you'd said, if that's what he'd be getting paid then how much should SJM or Emi Martinez be on? Would've been bankrupt or have a deeply unhappy squad in no time.
Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
In these last 2 games, McGinn has drifted inside as part of the box. Digne operating down the entire left flank with nothing in front of him, and Pau covering behind.
Which is pretty common when J. Ramsey is playing there too.
He often floats into the centre.
It's literally the point of us playing the way we are. When we have the ball we become a 325 with the front 5 being Digne, McGinn, Watkins, Diaby, Bailey. We can then use the full width of the pitch but we don't end up with huge gaps between our players.
Against teams playing a back 4 it forces their fullbacks to either step inside and leave the sort of space Digne has had the last 2 games or to push out and leave gaps for others to run into (as we saw a lot with JJ at the end of last season when teams were terrified of leaving too much space for Moreno).
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 25, 2023, 01:32:55 PM
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2023, 03:50:18 PM
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2023, 03:53:30 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2023, 04:10:52 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2023, 04:22:43 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 25, 2023, 04:32:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 25, 2023, 04:52:41 PM
He's been superb in the last couple of games. I'm pleased he can't go anywhere just yet.
Same here.
Post by: danno on August 25, 2023, 04:54:21 PM
he's a lot better playing against shit teams it seems
Lol, wouldn’t that apply to most players?
Post by: Bad English on August 27, 2023, 05:11:47 PM
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2023, 08:15:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 27, 2023, 08:16:35 PM
Apparently Villa are refusing to sell Lucas Digne now. Good decision, a quality LB as is Alex Moreno.
Excellent news, and hoped as much when his was the photo on today's team sheet.
Post by: AV84 on August 27, 2023, 08:18:29 PM
Apparently Villa are refusing to sell Lucas Digne now. Good decision, a quality LB as is Alex Moreno.
Excellent news, and hoped as much when his was the photo on today's team sheet.
I think Emery said after the Hibs games that it now looked unlikely Digne would leave. It has to be down to Acuña getting injured. I just hope Digne's OK with staying and his great form wasn't him giving us one last hurrah before he headed off to France.
Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
Good lad.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2023, 12:34:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 12:39:24 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2023, 02:14:06 PM
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2023, 02:15:16 PM
So presumably that's Digne definitely stopping for now.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2023, 02:15:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 28, 2023, 02:21:53 PM
Digne and Cash, from two of the most worried about players on H&V to some of the most widely praised in the space of 2 games! Keep it up lads! :)
Just wait till you see the praise Olsen is getting after he plays all our games in Sept. ;)
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 28, 2023, 08:15:06 PM
Digne and Cash, from two of the most worried about players on H&V to some of the most widely praised in the space of 2 games! Keep it up lads! :)That's Emery fault, making eat our words damnit
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2023, 09:05:34 PM
This season Digne seems less likely to hobble off after a challenge and has lasted the distance well. Touch wood he's injury free and also fitter. I don't think the quality has ever been in doubt.
I know he's not been unduly tested in the previous three games, so we'll see. If he's being attacked by a good winger, let's see how his legs hold up. But I'm really hoping, similarly Bailey, that he's found his fitness just as much as form as I think the former has a huge bearing on the latter (for both players).
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2023, 10:13:12 AM
Can I just say I was wrong about Digne and in the last three games he's shown me up as a know nothing twat?
Mate, it didn't need Digne to do that! ;)
Post by: Richard on August 29, 2023, 10:55:35 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 06:39:08 PM
Can I just say I was wrong about Digne and in the last three games he's shown me up as a know nothing twat?
Mate, it didn't need Digne to do that! ;)
I've only just seen this you cheeky get
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 23, 2023, 03:03:14 PM
We've got a decent winnable run of games now, and then a two week break between Fulham and Spurs. Hopefully that's enough time to get Ramsey and Moreno fully fit. Ramsey walks straight back into the team, not sure Moreno does at the moment.
Yes Digne is playing well, but that's great too because given the type of injury it was building up fitness with chunks of subs appearances will probably be needed.
Lucas Digne has made most crosses in the league 67
Along with Trippier.
He's made the 3rd highest interceptions in the league and the most by any Aston Villa player-15
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 23, 2023, 03:12:30 PM
He also doesn't pass into the area as much as a Estupian or Trippier instead he's preferred to cross the ball.
I think it's a case of needs must but ideally Emery would be looking for more progressive passer and some one who passes or carries into the area. We have Moreno but we need another.
Digne strength lies in crossing the ball, interceptions and set piece deliveries.
Passing is not his strong point and he doesn't take players on.
Post by: rougegorge on October 29, 2023, 07:04:11 PM
I was a bit nonplussed by him before this season, but with Moreno unavailable, I would be concerned if he wasn't in the starting line up.
Post by: Astnor on October 29, 2023, 07:24:59 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on October 29, 2023, 07:36:47 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on October 29, 2023, 10:06:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2023, 01:04:05 AM
Fantastic cross for the second goal.
It was absolutely the perfect cross, it had the keeper doing the hokey cokey.
Post by: Drummond on October 30, 2023, 07:15:01 AM
I think Digne is doing just fine, and wouldn't want to lose him but in a game with 9 subs, and the threat we try to have have from that position on the pitch, we need both.
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2023, 11:17:43 AM
He took a ball flat on the side of his foot yesterday in the second half, which you knew was just going to ping off him, despite him having time to judge the ball in the air coming his way.
I think he's less of a pushover physically than he used to be and his fitness must be far stronger given the amount of times he has to tear up and down the left wing but I'm looking forward to Moreno coming back in to see if he can emulate his form last spring.
Post by: Risso on October 30, 2023, 11:33:48 AM
I think he's playing out of his skin but there are times where his lack of natural ability lets him down and you suddenly remember that Emery is getting 100% out of practically all of his players.
He took a ball flat on the side of his foot yesterday in the second half, which you knew was just going to ping off him, despite him having time to judge the ball in the air coming his way.
I think he's less of a pushover physically than he used to be and his fitness must be far stronger given the amount of times he has to tear up and down the left wing but I'm looking forward to Moreno coming back in to see if he can emulate his form last spring.
All players make the odd mistake. McGinn had that miscued shot when he should have scored, and Watkins missed what should have been a relatively easy chance to place it in the corner. But they're all part of a team that is playing out of its skin, and Digne is a very important part of that. I too look forward to Moreno coming back, but he's got to get fit, stay fit, then try to force his way back into the side.
Post by: OCD on October 30, 2023, 11:42:46 AM
Post by: VillaTim on October 30, 2023, 11:53:21 AM
Post by: olaftab on October 30, 2023, 12:06:09 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 30, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
All players make the odd mistake. McGinn had that miscued shot when he should have scored, and Watkins missed what should have been a relatively easy chance to place it in the corner. But they're all part of a team that is playing out of its skin, and Digne is a very important part of that. I too look forward to Moreno coming back, but he's got to get fit, stay fit, then try to force his way back into the side.
Agreed. Let's not forget Digne has played almost every minute of every game which involves putting in plenty of miles up and down the flank plus the mental demands of 90+ minutes of full concentration. He's done extremely well for us to date.
I loved seeing him breaking forward and automatically Kamara drops in to cover him. We're so well organised and oiled. When Moreno is fit and in form I expect Unai to return to using bath in a game keeping both fresh. The big difference now is Digne can now play not only the stronger defensive role but the attacking part too.
I'm not sure why we'd be interested in Acuna now. He's 32 and his best days are behind him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2023, 12:16:38 PM
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Post by: usav on October 30, 2023, 12:52:16 PM
Given the way Emery wants us to play we need two excellent like options on both sides. We have it when Moreno is fit again on the left. We need it on the right too. I think Matty has had had a super season also, but he could do with a break and genuine competition for his spot.
Totally agree. We are one more hamstring away from having a real problem.
Post by: paul_e on October 30, 2023, 01:16:51 PM
That said he lacks the extra yard of pace that Moreno gives us and it shows a couple of times a game.
Post by: VillaTim on October 30, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
i was surprised they let Revan go as we have zero cover at RB nowGiven the way Emery wants us to play we need two excellent like options on both sides. We have it when Moreno is fit again on the left. We need it on the right too. I think Matty has had had a super season also, but he could do with a break and genuine competition for his spot.
Totally agree. We are one more hamstring away from having a real problem.
Post by: Risso on October 30, 2023, 01:43:22 PM
I like Digne I think he's suffered a bit of being a Gerrard signing and having his first 20-25 games be under a manager that made all of our players look far worse than they really are.
That said he lacks the extra yard of pace that Moreno gives us and it shows a couple of times a game.
I can't say that I've noticed that Moreno is especially quick to be honest. He's good at getting past players with his trickery, but there have been a few times when he's struggled one-on-one to get back and defend when we've played the high line.
Post by: Bully2345 on October 30, 2023, 01:47:21 PM
i was surprised they let Revan go as we have zero cover at RB nowGiven the way Emery wants us to play we need two excellent like options on both sides. We have it when Moreno is fit again on the left. We need it on the right too. I think Matty has had had a super season also, but he could do with a break and genuine competition for his spot.
Totally agree. We are one more hamstring away from having a real problem.
He's a left back
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 30, 2023, 02:11:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2023, 02:22:48 PM
I remember Moreno - I think it might have been on his debut - rocketing back to clear one off the line for us. He moved pretty sharpish then.
It was, against Leeds. He struggled initially after coming on early but by the end of the season, he and Ramsey were like killing machines.
Post by: Risso on October 30, 2023, 02:24:25 PM
I remember Moreno - I think it might have been on his debut - rocketing back to clear one off the line for us. He moved pretty sharpish then.
It was, against Leeds. He struggled initially after coming on early but by the end of the season, he and Ramsey were like killing machines.
He didn't look that quick at Man U when Fernandes beat him to the ball to score the winner. I'm not saying he's slow or anything, just that pace isn't really the determining factor between him and Digne.
Post by: darren woolley on October 30, 2023, 02:32:37 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 30, 2023, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 30, 2023, 03:12:08 PM
Post by: usav on October 31, 2023, 07:54:08 PM
Digne has done a lot better than I for one was expecting. Especially with Ramsey out ahead of him. Cracking cross for the second goal.
Let's face it, every player has improved under Emery and his coaching staff.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2023, 11:49:22 PM
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Post by: AV84 on November 01, 2023, 08:38:36 AM
People on here weren't impressed with his wages, he was at the time apparently our highest paid player. He's now played the second most amount of minutes in the league this season, 890, only behind Konsa on 900. 3 assists in 10 league games. A goal in another competition.
I know it's still a lot of money to be paying our 2nd choice player, assuming Moreno takes his place back eventually, and Digne might not want to stay if he goes back to being 2nd choice, but I'd be happy to have them both.
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 01, 2023, 08:53:09 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 01, 2023, 01:27:17 PM
He also brings together the other French guys in a nice mix with the Spanish speakers and our home grown players.
You can see on the training videos that they are a really close knit unit
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2023, 08:08:07 AM
Post by: OCD on November 06, 2023, 11:52:25 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 06, 2023, 12:21:28 PM
I found him incrediblely frustrating yesterday at Forest. All the time, there were opportunities he had in all the space he found himself in.He's only got the ability to cross the ball, but other than that, attackingly, he's very limited. 11 crosses and was unable to provide Just kicks it into the area time and again. It became very predictable in his play, and I did hope Moreno could come in again because he would have been more effective in attacking on the left side.
I think i'll refer you to some of the posts above yours, which gave a good reflection of his season so far rather than a knee jerk reaction to one game. I actually thought he was one of our better players first half although he was poor second, no doubt.
I have noticed a few ridiculous comments from the usual wind up merchants on individual players after yesterday, some worse than this one. Forest did a good job on us and we weren't quite at our best level either, it happens. 2-0 flattered them as well, they didn't do much other than those 2 shots, they just defended very well.
Back to Digne, and he has done enough to keep his place really but you know Moreno is likely to be back in when fit. Whilst i'd feel sorry for Digne i would concede that Moreno is great when he's flying so hard to leave out.
Post by: Clampy on November 06, 2023, 01:17:04 PM
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 06, 2023, 01:50:10 PM
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Post by: SamTheMouse on December 28, 2023, 11:09:55 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 28, 2023, 11:37:04 PM
Not the most reliable source, granted, but it's the only place I've seen anything mentioned.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 28, 2023, 11:43:30 PM
He's a red triangle on Fantasy Football site. Says its a hamstring injury.
Not the most reliable source, granted, but it's the only place I've seen anything mentioned.
Have no idea how bad the injury is, but don't expect to see him against Burnley. If he's back for Everton away to score against his former club, that'll do for me.
Post by: VillaTim on December 29, 2023, 01:17:20 AM
He's a red triangle on Fantasy Football site. Says its a hamstring injury.when the villa players start dropping him from their FF team you'll know its serious
Not the most reliable source, granted, but it's the only place I've seen anything mentioned.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 29, 2023, 02:44:48 PM
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Post by: AV84 on December 29, 2023, 03:01:17 PM
We'll be fine. Moreno is class.
Has he played a full game since his return?
I suppose after this weekend there's only 3(?) games in January, so that's probably 25-30 days. Still, it's bloody annoying that we've basically had 1 fully fit LB all season.
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2023, 03:13:53 PM
We'll be fine. Moreno is class.
Like Ramsey, he hasn't looked very good since returning. We'll need him to be back to it tomorrow.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 29, 2023, 03:30:50 PM
I think he’ll have a big game tomorrow.
Post by: VillaTim on December 29, 2023, 03:32:58 PM
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2023, 03:34:40 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 29, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
Just typical, as soon as we get a bit of strength in the squad, somebody else is out for a month.
Although it's only 2 league games if it's 20-25 days.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2023, 10:15:25 PM
Just typical, as soon as we get a bit of strength in the squad, somebody else is out for a month.
Although it's only 2 league games if it's 20-25 days.
Yep if ever you were going to get that type of knock it’s now that’s best.
Post by: Dave on December 29, 2023, 10:34:59 PM
We'll be fine. Moreno is class.
Like Ramsey, he hasn't looked very good since returning. We'll need him to be back to it tomorrow.
Hasn't he played about four whole games, got the winner to send us through in Europe and scored the goal that turned a defeat into the platform for a win against Brentford?
I mean, I'm not nominating him for player of the season on the strength of it, but that's par in terms of what he's giving at the very least, surely?
Post by: Villafirst on December 29, 2023, 10:35:55 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 07:27:41 PM
Brilliant by Luca !
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 02, 2024, 07:45:51 PM
Post by: usav on March 02, 2024, 07:56:49 PM
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2024, 08:16:42 PM
I said before the game he should be starting. Been treated harshly since the injury.
Why has he been treated harshly?
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2024, 08:32:00 PM
I said before the game he should be starting. Been treated harshly since the injury.
Why has he been treated harshly?
He hasn't, he was injured and guy who came in for him has played well in the main, so hasn't deserved to lose the shirt.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 02, 2024, 08:49:37 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2024, 08:50:41 PM
I'd start him, at least at Ajax and possibly against Spurs, too.
As would I.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 02, 2024, 08:54:08 PM
Don't get me wrong, Digne is an attack-minded full back. But Moreno is insanely attack focused.
Post by: AV84 on March 02, 2024, 08:55:31 PM
Post by: usav on March 02, 2024, 09:05:30 PM
I said before the game he should be starting. Been treated harshly since the injury.
Why has he been treated harshly?
Because he's been on the bench. He was contender for player of the season before he got injured. Moreno has been average at best.
Post by: Ian. on March 02, 2024, 09:10:48 PM
I'd start him, at least at Ajax and possibly against Spurs, too.
As would I.
I really like Moreno but I’d go with Digne for these games.
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2024, 09:11:13 PM
Post by: AV82EC on March 02, 2024, 10:19:13 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 10:23:34 PM
I’d go with Digne for the Ajax game then bring Moreno in for the Spurs game. We’ve got a squad we need to use it and there’s no major drop off in quality between the two.Yes that's what I think and I also think Emery will do this.
Digne did show great attacking thrust for his goal today and can be rewarded Thursday but I like to start Moreno next Sunday.
Digne picks up cheap bookings and besides either player will be subbed so be given time.
Quite right about squad utilising
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 02, 2024, 10:56:45 PM
Digne is just a better player than Moreno. Moreno is similar to Cash in his ability to go forward, but is a below average defender.
I think that’s a fair assessment.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2024, 11:01:58 PM
Digne is just a better player than Moreno. Moreno is similar to Cash in his ability to go forward, but is a below average defender.
I think that’s a fair assessment.
Right now yeah, probably (but they're different enough in style for it to not be that simple) but Moreno at his best has been better for us than Digne at his best, lets not forget that most of the opposition to letting Digne leave in th esummer was about lack of depth not that we'd be selling our best left back.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 02, 2024, 11:04:17 PM
Dinge done very well this season overall.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2024, 11:10:34 PM
Digne is just a better player than Moreno. Moreno is similar to Cash in his ability to go forward, but is a below average defender.
I think that’s a fair assessment.
Right now yeah, probably (but they're different enough in style for it to not be that simple) but Moreno at his best has been better for us than Digne at his best, lets not forget that most of the opposition to letting Digne leave in th esummer was about lack of depth not that we'd be selling our best left back.
Digne hadn’t hit the level he has (with us) when it was being debated in the summer.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2024, 11:21:52 PM
Digne is just a better player than Moreno. Moreno is similar to Cash in his ability to go forward, but is a below average defender.
I think that’s a fair assessment.
Right now yeah, probably (but they're different enough in style for it to not be that simple) but Moreno at his best has been better for us than Digne at his best, lets not forget that most of the opposition to letting Digne leave in th esummer was about lack of depth not that we'd be selling our best left back.
Digne hadn’t hit the level he has (with us) when it was being debated in the summer.
Well yes, that's why right now he's probably the better player, as I said.
So the real question is was Digne better, before his injury, that Moreno was before his last season? My point is that I think That spell from Moreno, with a fit JJ in front of him, is the best we've seen from a left back for a very long time and led to a lot of people being very worried about his injury. Digne has done a lot better than most expected since but I don't think it's accurate to suggest he's "just a better player than Moreno", that's all I was saying.
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2024, 11:26:16 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 02, 2024, 11:27:16 PM
I'd say Digne is maybe the better defensive, more solid player out the two. Moreno is great, he offers us an alternative way of playing possibly.
I think Moreno and Digne as left back options is an excellent situation to have.
Right back, not looking as good.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2024, 11:29:04 PM
I'd say Digne is maybe the better defensive, more solid player out the two. Moreno is great, he offers us an alternative way of playing possibly.
Yep, I agree, as I said they're very different players. I was actually really impressed with Digne for the goal because he snuck into the box in the way Moreno does, which is something he's clearly been coached to do.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 11:30:43 PM
Digne is also very good but is not an Emery purchase.
Moreno was bought and replaced Digne.
Digne only plays because Moreno was injured.
Moreno was up to fitness he's been first choice again this season
Digne scored on Emery first match in charge and hadn't score since today.
In the meantime Moreno has threatened to score pretty much every game he's been in this season and scored 2 and 2 disallowed.
The Spain card will be favoured is my view. It was telling Emery ranting at Digne last week and also instructing him this week when coming on. And he scored. That credit goes to Emery. Moreno naturally gets in those positions and that's what el Mastero wants from his left back.
Come on Digne was going to be sold on in the summer window so Emery favours Moreno all the signs are there.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2024, 01:33:58 AM
I'd say Digne is maybe the better defensive, more solid player out the two. Moreno is great, he offers us an alternative way of playing possibly.
I think Moreno and Digne as left back options is an excellent situation to have.
Right back, not looking as good.
Yep agreed, why I think when he’s in top form Moreno, whilst not the best defensively, is better when it comes to defence than he has been showing of late.
Post by: darren woolley on March 03, 2024, 02:40:42 AM
Post by: geolex on March 03, 2024, 06:43:26 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 07:37:47 AM
Isnt it nice to be in a position where we can debate which LB should start and not be at all worried as to which one is selected
This. Honestly LB has been a problem for us for years but its great to have two quality left backs that we can rotate.
Hopr figne is not sold in summer he has been quality this season
Post by: Drummond on March 07, 2024, 12:52:25 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 07, 2024, 08:38:42 AM
I can see Digne playing against Spurs as he's better defensively, and Moreno for Ajax.Yep.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2024, 08:42:38 AM
I can see Digne playing against Spurs as he's better defensively, and Moreno for Ajax.
I’d go with that.
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2024, 09:04:35 AM
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2024, 09:08:10 AM
I still wonder whether - with Ramsey unavailable - a Digne-Moreno combo on our left would work for certain games. I think the 2 of them interchanging between defence and attack would give oppoents a right headache.I'd say Digne is maybe the better defensive, more solid player out the two. Moreno is great, he offers us an alternative way of playing possibly.Yep, I agree, as I said they're very different players. I was actually really impressed with Digne for the goal because he snuck into the box in the way Moreno does, which is something he's clearly been coached to do.
Post by: OCD on March 07, 2024, 01:30:58 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2024, 03:25:01 PM
Emery seems to prefer Moreno. I think he'll go with Digne tonight and Moreno Sunday.
I think Digne is just a better all round player. I don’t think there’s much in it when Moreno is at his best, but when he’s not quite there his defensive play really drops off.
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2024, 08:11:47 PM
Emery seems to prefer Moreno. I think he'll go with Digne tonight and Moreno Sunday.
I think Digne is just a better all round player. I don’t think there’s much in it when Moreno is at his best, but when he’s not quite there his defensive play really drops off.
I'd definitely be starting Digne against Spurs, Moreno won't be able to cope defensively with the Spuds forward line.
Post by: Des Little on March 07, 2024, 08:18:43 PM
I can see Digne playing against Spurs as he's better defensively, and Moreno for Ajax.
I’d go with that.
I prefer Digne. Better all round player
Post by: Rigadon on March 07, 2024, 08:19:42 PM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 07, 2024, 09:54:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 08, 2024, 01:10:29 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 08, 2024, 04:35:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 08, 2024, 06:38:09 PM
What's with the "And another one" bantz between Pravda and Digne on the videos they post of him?
I just took it to mean 'and another win' (in the bag), as we aim for top 4. Did it once and it was posted on the club's account, so it just became a 'thing'.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 08, 2024, 11:47:56 AM
Progress through the Academy ranks was swift, and when his first-team chance came in January 2012, he took it. Digne started 13 of the final 15 Ligue 1 matches in the 2011/12 campaign, helping Lille finish third and secure a Champions League berth. He featured in five Champions League group games the following season.
2010–2011 Lille B 35 appearances 1 goal.
2011–2013 Lille 49 appearances 2 goals
Post by: eamonn on April 08, 2024, 01:31:33 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 08, 2024, 01:36:30 PM
Showed fantastic technique for that 90th minute attempt on Saturday that just cleared the Brentford crossbar. Imagine the scenes if it had gone in.Came from the wild header by Carlos or Konsa. Was very poor header attempt.
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 09, 2024, 12:54:25 AM
His body language suggested that he thought he'd been fouled on the jump.
Greta effort from Lucas to try and rescue the situation.
Post by: The Edge on April 09, 2024, 01:14:22 AM
That was Konsa. Just about summed up his day.Showed fantastic technique for that 90th minute attempt on Saturday that just cleared the Brentford crossbar. Imagine the scenes if it had gone in.Came from the wild header by Carlos or Konsa. Was very poor header attempt.