Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on January 06, 2022, 11:49:23 PM
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A few words on the topic of the day.
https://heroesandvillains.info/2022/01/06/the-coutinho-factor/
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Good stuff Dave.
It's a good point that whatever happens with Coutinho we are being talked about seriously as a place he could end up.
It also shows as you say, that our owners are committed about where they want to take us.
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Come on guys; forget about being linked seriously or otherwise with a player -Coutinho could be added to a whole host of names that we’ve all talked about before- it’s all about getting the player through the door. That’s the barometer. If the club manage it then they break a very very long loop.
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I've just seen a French Twitter account post this:
'Coutinho. Biggest ever Flop at Barça?
Time at club: 4 years
Price: €145m.
Games: 106.
Goals: 25
Assists: 14'
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The Gullit and Chelsea comparison is intriguing, I’d not considered that before. I’m getting a little excited about this potential signing so fingers crossed that he rocks up at Villa Park soon.
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The Gullit and Chelsea comparison is intriguing, I’d not considered that before. I’m getting a little excited about this potential signing so fingers crossed that he rocks up at Villa Park soon.
Arsenal and Bergkamp, too. Would Wenger have come and revolutionised them without Rioch's marquee acquisition? Citeh and Silva as their take-us-seriously signing. Every emergent club needs that spark to light the fire. It'd be nice if this is could silence my inner doubting Villa fan.
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Good read as usual Dave, I think the Chelsea analogy is a good one too.
Someone posted on the Jan war chest thread that he could be our Robinho signing, a genuine class signing who was deemed to be worth over £140m not too long ago, so similar to the Gullit at Chelsea signing that you mention here.
If this gets over the line then I think we need to be very excited, and not too cynical, as this will be the statement signing we have waited for since NSWE took over, the next question is then “who’s next” in the summer.
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What's his injury record like? this is Villa.
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Will put this up in 14 hours when my FB ban expires.
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Will put this up in 14 hours when my FB ban expires.
What have you done now?
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The Chelsea/Gullit analogy is perfect. If he comes, it'll be a game changer. Literally any other player we approach will have it on their mind that Coutinho felt Villa were a better option than Barça.
I mean, to us it's obvious given we walloped them 3-0 last time we played them, but I'd guess that point is lost on the general population.
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Will put this up in 14 hours when my FB ban expires.
What have you done now?
I was rather rude to an obvious spammer in April 2021 and yesterday. My comments did not adhere to their community guidelines.
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I've just seen a French Twitter account post this:
'Coutinho. Biggest ever Flop at Barça?
Time at club: 4 years
Price: €145m.
Games: 106.
Goals: 25
Assists: 14'
Well the price isn't his fault. Barcelona migh have [had] higher standards, but 39 goals/assists in 106 games will do me .
At Bayern it was 11 goals and 9 assists in 20 starts and 14 sub appearances, which will do for me even more.
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I've just seen a French Twitter account post this:
'Coutinho. Biggest ever Flop at Barça?
Time at club: 4 years
Price: €145m.
Games: 106.
Goals: 25
Assists: 14'
And, if anyone has watched the compilation of his LFC highlights, "its not just goals...it's Coutinho goals."
Well the price isn't his fault. Barcelona migh have [had] higher standards, but 39 goals/assists in 106 games will do me .
At Bayern it was 11 goals and 9 assists in 20 starts and 14 sub appearances, which will do for me even more.
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The Gullit and Chelsea comparison is intriguing, I’d not considered that before. I’m getting a little excited about this potential signing so fingers crossed that he rocks up at Villa Park soon.
Arsenal and Bergkamp, too. Would Wenger have come and revolutionised them without Rioch's marquee acquisition? Citeh and Silva as their take-us-seriously signing. Every emergent club needs that spark to light the fire. It'd be nice if this is could silence my inner doubting Villa fan.
Understand the Gullit analogy but the other two way off the mark. Silva and Bergkamp reached their peak at City and Arsenal.
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But Bergkamp had been a massive flop at Inter, they jury was out on him.
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Will put this up in 14 hours when my FB ban expires.
I have never met a FB banee before. Nice to know you😀
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Great read, although would argue when Paul McGrath was with us he was truly world class and would of made any team in the world (Domestic and International) in his position - the true definition of world class.
I think Gerrard is the key for this - not necessarily the getting of him but he must know "the man" and know whether the would be a waster etc.
I think that teams will have to mark up on Phil like they did with Greedy and that in itself will open the door for Buendia and co to exploit
If he stays fit and retains his pace then he really is the replacement for whatshisname.
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I'm a natural pessimist.
My concerns are - can he really still hack 90 minutes in the frenetic premier league?
We have a wage cap so how much of his wages is this taking up (at the opportunity cot of other players)?
The Chelsea comparison is a good one but we don't know yet if this is more Robinho.
If we need to demonstrate Villa are a team on the big stage we need to sign a world class player from the market not just someone who is best mates with our manager. I'm not saying we shouldn't applaud the approach just the relationships aspect is probably a big angle here.
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He looks, like Joe, that he needs to be somewhere where he's 'the man', will play every week and be the focal point of the team. That's not going to happen if he joins another of the Champs League/Arsehole clubs.
He's prepared to take a step down to play regularly for someone he trusts, I think that shows maturity and him putting actually putting his player career ahead of endorsements and status, which I think bodes well.
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He looks, like Joe, that he needs to be somewhere where he's 'the man', will play every week and be the focal point of the team. That's not going to happen if he joins another of the Champs League/Arsehole clubs.
He's prepared to take a step down to play regularly for someone he trusts, I think that shows maturity and him putting actually putting his player career ahead of endorsements and status, which I think bodes well.
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I am very excited about this. A great move.
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I'm a natural pessimist.
My concerns are - can he really still hack 90 minutes in the frenetic premier league?
We have a wage cap so how much of his wages is this taking up (at the opportunity cot of other players)?
The Chelsea comparison is a good one but we don't know yet if this is more Robinho.
If we need to demonstrate Villa are a team on the big stage we need to sign a world class player from the market not just someone who is best mates with our manager. I'm not saying we shouldn't applaud the approach just the relationships aspect is probably a big angle here.
Yeah you're probably right, we should have given La Liga, Bundesliga and Champions League winner Coutinho a miss, and gone for Todd Cantwell instead.
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If you cannot get excited about this then being a football fan isn’t for you.
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Too many false dawns I'm afraid. SVC, Ginola, Carbone, Warren Aspinall...
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If you cannot get excited about this then being a football fan isn’t for you.
True and I am really excited but it’s possible to simultaneously have the feeling, after all we’ve been through over the last ten years, that we’ll find a way to fuck it up. It’s Lerner-Xia syndrome.
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Great read Dave.
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Too many false dawns I'm afraid. SVC, Ginola, Carbone, Warren Aspinall...
I loved carbone here
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For me the big disappointment when you know who left in the summer was how can we replace the hole this will leave?
I never remotely considered a player of Coutinho’s standard either coming to us or being considered.
This is a game changer for us as a club and how we are perceived.
I just hope we have a bit of luck to go with this very bold move.
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Too many false dawns I'm afraid. SVC, Ginola, Carbone, Warren Aspinall...
I loved carbone here
Another vote for Carbone here, I thought he was amazing. The one let down was the Cup Final and those gold boots. The team with him and the Magic Man and his hat rick v Leeds, one of my favourite Villa games ever.
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Too many false dawns I'm afraid. SVC, Ginola, Carbone, Warren Aspinall...
I loved carbone here
His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
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I loved Carbone, the big sulky weirdo. You need characters in the game.
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He looks, like Joe, that he needs to be somewhere where he's 'the man', will play every week and be the focal point of the team. That's not going to happen if he joins another of the Champs League/Arsehole clubs.
He's prepared to take a step down to play regularly for someone he trusts, I think that shows maturity and him putting actually putting his player career ahead of endorsements and status, which I think bodes well.
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We’ve wanted a “marquee signing” for years and now we’ve got one - wow !
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Fair enough re Carbonne, probably a bad example. He did only play 24 times and score 4 goals so hardly shifted the dial on the club's status.
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He looks, like Joe, that he needs to be somewhere where he's 'the man', will play every week and be the focal point of the team. That's not going to happen if he joins another of the Champs League/Arsehole clubs.
He's prepared to take a step down to play regularly for someone he trusts, I think that shows maturity and him putting actually putting his player career ahead of endorsements and status, which I think bodes well.
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Yeah sorry about that, I'll put the hairshirt on.
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His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
I was the same when Jordan Bowery made his debut.
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His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
I was the same when Jordan Bowery made his debut.
I’ll never forget the anticipation in the away end at Craven Cottage as Djemba Djemba made his debut. Including some fella in a Man United shirt with his name on the back.
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John Fashanu vs Everton.......I think we were all thinking...."why Ron why?"
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John Fashanu vs Everton.......I think we were all thinking...."why Ron why?"
A signing of convenience so Fashanu could be close to Brum for filming Gladiators for Central.
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His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
I was the same when Jordan Bowery made his debut.
I’ll never forget the anticipation in the away end at Craven Cottage as Djemba Djemba made his debut. Including some fella in a Man United shirt with his name on the back.
Ha, yes, I was at that game. I can recall the feeing of 'We've got a player from Man Utd!!! '.......
Hey, we've got a player from Barcelona.......
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His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
I was the same when Jordan Bowery made his debut.
I’ll never forget the anticipation in the away end at Craven Cottage as Djemba Djemba made his debut. Including some fella in a Man United shirt with his name on the back.
Ha, yes, I was at that game. I can recall the feeing of 'We've got a player from Man Utd!!! '.......
Hey, we've got a player from Barcelona.......
We’ve got 2 actually, if you count Louie Barry
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His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
I was the same when Jordan Bowery made his debut.
I’ll never forget the anticipation in the away end at Craven Cottage as Djemba Djemba made his debut. Including some fella in a Man United shirt with his name on the back.
Ha, yes, I was at that game. I can recall the feeing of 'We've got a player from Man Utd!!! '.......
Hey, we've got a player from Barcelona.......
We’ve got 2 actually, if you count Louie Barry
3 with Adama
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Can't be any worse than Traore,
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His debut against Wimbledon was sensational and I will never forget his hat-trick against a high-flying Leeds in the FA Cup.
One of my top 10 highlights as a Villa fan.
Got good memories of Carbone.
I was the same when Jordan Bowery made his debut.
I’ll never forget the anticipation in the away end at Craven Cottage as Djemba Djemba made his debut. Including some fella in a Man United shirt with his name on the back.
Ha, yes, I was at that game. I can recall the feeing of 'We've got a player from Man Utd!!! '.......
Hey, we've got a player from Barcelona.......
We’ve got 2 actually, if you count Louie Barry
3 with Adama
Does that make them officially our feeder club?
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We've been waiting for this type of signing. This could be that threshold. Players are going to look at Villa and see Gerrard, Coutinho, the profile rising. Back this up with another top player in the middle of the park, we might just be on the way.
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Does that make them officially our feeder club?
Yes but I think more disappointing is the fact that Barcelona have not taken any players from us over the last ...well ever. I thought Bacuna would have fitted well in their all conquering team of few seasons ago.