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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 02:50:56 PM
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Always a bit of trepidation going to play this lot irrespective of how they are performing. Mainly because we have provided them lots of happiness over many years. But we won there last time out and deservedly so no reason to fear them. And the pressure will be all on them so we have to start fast and get the crowd nervous which will affect their players. I absolutely think we can win this.
2-0 to us. Watkins and Konsa
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I have to go with the narrative that they've had a terrible result, been a huge media backlash aimed at their players and its us turning up to play them >:( 3-0. Ronaldo 2, Fernandes pen.
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Lightning is going to strike twice.
We're winning.
FTF.
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The team that lines up for this will reveal a bit more about the manager and his intentions, with the next game all but a week away I can't see any reason why we can't put out our strongest line up (injuries and Covid aside). Should we do that we can certainly progress but we still need to play very well, as bad as Newton Heath were the 3 day week mob were excellent.
"Giving it the full gun" - 2-1
"One eye on the league" - 0-2
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It can't be a draw, can it? I thought third round replays had been scrapped due to Covid.
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400-0 to us.
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Love us to beat these - but we will score first and lose 3-1 (the BBC will be delighted that we have lost)
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This may sound a little odd, but I'm never bothered by us playing Man Utd, the team. My concern is always the officials.
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I can see us winning 2-1.
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0-2.
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This may sound a little odd, but I'm never bothered by us playing Man Utd, the team. My concern is always the officials.
Doesn't sound odd to me. Throw in their latest helper VAR and i'm surprised we're bothering to turn up.
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I can see us becoming their bogey team.
3-1 us.
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It can't be a draw, can it? I thought third round replays had been scrapped due to Covid.
You're right. They removed the draw from 3rd and 4th rounds this year. I missed that. I think a mod has to amend the poll. Not that it really matters as we are winning it anyway in regular time. Fuck Man U.
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Some garbage in the media that they have 17 players unhappy with Rangwick and lack of game time. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re allowed to start them all.
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This is going to be a humdinger. It will have everything- penalties, red cards, serious injuries and a narrow win for us. 2-1.
All goals will be from defenders.
A legendary game that will often be referred to.
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Its live on BBC. The pre-match build up will be a red wankfest,
I feel nothing but trepidation and foreboding.
I have seen this movie too many times.
Take your pick from the various scenarios that delivers them the victory that the nation expects.
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It's time, FTF again!
Of course there's leaks. Of course they're not happy. Because someone is here putting demands on them and making them earn their obscene wages.
So, let me get this straight: You don't like the nice guy Ole who tells you how talented you are and tries to be your mate - he's out of his depth. You don't like the mean German man who makes you train at a time you don't like?
What happened to all this looking in the mirror they were doing? It appears it resulted in them blaming everyone except themselves.
I'm sorry, but since when is it the coaches job to impress the players? Havent they got that backwards? Aren't the players supposed to impress upon the coaches? I bet Rangnick is pretty unimpressed by you lot being unable to execute simple 5 yard passes too. Can you imagine Steve Bruce and others leaking to the press in the 90s that they aren't impressed with this Brian Kidd fella that Fergie has hired.
You cheeky, lazy, complacent bunch of f***ing children!
And you haven't even got the balls to put names to these claims, so f*** every last one of them.
I guess we can't complain. We've bred a brood of players who have consistently underperformed and get rewarded with new bumper deals. Absolutely zero consequences for failing to meet a basic standard.
Don't like the current guy? Don't worry, just bide your time, do f*** all and club will give you a new deal and you can just wait it out until the new guy comes in.
No wonder they feel they can pick and choose when they turn up and who they turn up for.
Clean slate, great wages, get to say you play for Man United and if you don't perform, you'll probably keep your place in the team and you'll definitely keep your place at the club.
This club is toxic and broken and the manager's position is fast becoming a poisoned chalice. I wouldn't blame Poch, Zidane or whoever else telling Woodward and co to stick it up their arse if they're offered the job.
It goes beyond tactics, the odd signing etc. The club is paying for years and years of neglect and a steady lowering of the standards.
I've never felt we're further away than we are now. This is all playing out too while our two closest rivals are comfortably the two best teams in the country. Every season now amounts to a bit of pre-season optimism, a couple of promising performances before we're quickly playing 'who do we want to win the league the least'. Sat there hoping City win so that liverpool don't. In f***ing November.
I've never felt more detached from the club. I hate what we've become and I pity anyone going into that job with earnest enthusiasm.
Honestly, f*** the lot of them.
Proof positive, if proof were needed, that utd is officially nothing more than a revenue-generating promotional business with a football team attached.
We are all merely frogs being quietly boiled in a big pot of piss.
Although my head tells me it's the FA Cup on the BBC so we'll still lose.
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"frog being quietly boiled in a big pot of piss". Marvellous stuff.
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When would we have to sign Coutinho by for him to be eligible for this?
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I presume some time tomorrow as the first match kicks off at 8pm.
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It's time, FTF again!
Of course there's leaks. Of course they're not happy. Because someone is here putting demands on them and making them earn their obscene wages.
So, let me get this straight: You don't like the nice guy Ole who tells you how talented you are and tries to be your mate - he's out of his depth. You don't like the mean German man who makes you train at a time you don't like?
What happened to all this looking in the mirror they were doing? It appears it resulted in them blaming everyone except themselves.
I'm sorry, but since when is it the coaches job to impress the players? Havent they got that backwards? Aren't the players supposed to impress upon the coaches? I bet Rangnick is pretty unimpressed by you lot being unable to execute simple 5 yard passes too. Can you imagine Steve Bruce and others leaking to the press in the 90s that they aren't impressed with this Brian Kidd fella that Fergie has hired.
You cheeky, lazy, complacent bunch of f***ing children!
And you haven't even got the balls to put names to these claims, so f*** every last one of them.
I guess we can't complain. We've bred a brood of players who have consistently underperformed and get rewarded with new bumper deals. Absolutely zero consequences for failing to meet a basic standard.
Don't like the current guy? Don't worry, just bide your time, do f*** all and club will give you a new deal and you can just wait it out until the new guy comes in.
No wonder they feel they can pick and choose when they turn up and who they turn up for.
Clean slate, great wages, get to say you play for Man United and if you don't perform, you'll probably keep your place in the team and you'll definitely keep your place at the club.
This club is toxic and broken and the manager's position is fast becoming a poisoned chalice. I wouldn't blame Poch, Zidane or whoever else telling Woodward and co to stick it up their arse if they're offered the job.
It goes beyond tactics, the odd signing etc. The club is paying for years and years of neglect and a steady lowering of the standards.
I've never felt we're further away than we are now. This is all playing out too while our two closest rivals are comfortably the two best teams in the country. Every season now amounts to a bit of pre-season optimism, a couple of promising performances before we're quickly playing 'who do we want to win the league the least'. Sat there hoping City win so that liverpool don't. In f***ing November.
I've never felt more detached from the club. I hate what we've become and I pity anyone going into that job with earnest enthusiasm.
Honestly, f*** the lot of them.
Proof positive, if proof were needed, that utd is officially nothing more than a revenue-generating promotional business with a football team attached.
We are all merely frogs being quietly boiled in a big pot of piss.
Although my head tells me it's the FA Cup on the BBC so we'll still lose.
that post is spot on to be fair
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If we set up and play well we can take this to penalties no problem.
Emi can do his black magic on Fernandes and the rest again.
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Despite it being on Tv on a Monday night in Jan, my 11 year okd really wanted to go, so up the M6 it is after picking him up from school.
Even though their wobbling (great couple of posts by those yanited fans), im not really expecting the win, in part because we havent been playing that well either. But bloody hell it will be a bouncing car all the way home if we do. Feck it 3-1 us after extra time (Watkins, McGinn, Mings)
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so what, a couple of disgruntled fans on the internet. They have the talent in that squad to blow us away. They know its on the BBC, they know the world will be watching and they have big enough egos to turn up + they will have the crowd, the refs and VAR on their side.
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Gerrard sounds up for it.
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Settle for winning 1 of our 2 remaining games against then.
On one hand, would be nice to still be in the Cup, as not a lot to play for if we get knocked out. On the other, we haven't beaten them at home in the League since 1995, which is a dreadful effort and hate that they see Villa Park as a lucky ground.
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Settle for winning 1 of our 2 remaining games against then.
You're right, I'd also take a draw away with Emi shithousing us to a win on penalties before smashing them at home in the league.
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400-0 to us.
No don't be silly it's not possible to score 400 in 90 mins of a football game so i think it will only be 75-0 to us.
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They’ll 100% get a penalty against us (actual or fabricated by VAR) so we need at least 2 goals as I doubt they’ll miss 2 consecutive pens against us.
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I wonder what Gerrard's reaction will be when Utd get their obligatory penalty.
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Villa 3.0 Man U
RALF OUT!!!!
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so what, a couple of disgruntled fans on the internet. They have the talent in that squad to blow us away. They know its on the BBC, they know the world will be watching and they have big enough egos to turn up + they will have the crowd, the refs and VAR on their side.
Glad your feeling optimistic 😂
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It’s our year.
Man U 0 Us 2
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Anybody else not got their tickets in the post yet?
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400-0 to us.
No don't be silly it's not possible to score 400 in 90 mins of a football game so i think it will only be 75-0 to us.
After extra time?
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Anybody else not got their tickets in the post yet?
Haven’t had mine yet.
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Heart says we’ll win. Head says this is Villa v Man Utd in FA cup….
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2-1 to us McGinn and Ings
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I just cannot see us beating them twice in a week and 3 times in the season.
FA Cup - dodgy loss
League - hard fought (against 12 men) win
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Anybody else not got their tickets in the post yet?
Haven’t had mine yet.
I had mine a week ago. May be a good idea to contact the ticket office. When a Norwich ticket didn't arrive they arranged for us to collect a duplicate at the ground.
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Anybody else not got their tickets in the post yet?
Haven’t had mine yet.
Messaged the ticket office and apparently they were only sent for posting Tuesday. My Everton tickets have already come.
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I would love to progress in this competition (the FA cup is one trophy I'm desperate to see us win), but recent form against scab 6 teams suggest a loss.
Come on Villa let's buck the trend!
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Although he won't be eligible in time for the game, the 'Coutinho factor' might give the players an extra boost with the prospect of him joining in a credible cup run.
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Anybody else not got their tickets in the post yet?
Mine arrived yesterday
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
the self proclaimed twats !
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
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apple of thine eye lyrics (https://poetandpoem.com/Prophet-Jeremiah/Lamentations-of-Jeremiah-II-Zion-s-Sorrows-Come-from-the-LORD)
They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
the self proclaimed twats !
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
In fairness, my experience last time up there was like a dream. Easy parking, a three course meal, good seats, three points, major shithousing of them and a missed penalty, it had the lot.
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
In fairness, my experience last time up there was like a dream. Easy parking, a three course meal, good seats, three points, major shithousing of them and a missed penalty, it had the lot.
Exactly the same for me mate. I was sat within a few seats of singer Anne-Marie and Gareth "Twat" Southgate as well. Was home more quickly than it usually takes me from Villa Park too.
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Anybody else not got their tickets in the post yet?
Haven’t had mine yet.
Messaged the ticket office and apparently they were only sent for posting Tuesday. My Everton tickets have already come.
Tickets came half an hour ago, so Man U 0 - AVFC 2
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Still not received mine either. Its not like the ticket office is closed on the weekend and I have work Monday....
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
In fairness, my experience last time up there was like a dream. Easy parking, a three course meal, good seats, three points, major shithousing of them and a missed penalty, it had the lot.
Exactly the same for me mate. I was sat within a few seats of singer Anne-Marie and Gareth "Twat" Southgate as well. Was home more quickly than it usually takes me from Villa Park too.
Yes, that too, and better still it was all free. And they gave me a nice little Red Devil embossed shoe shine kit to remember the day, bless them.
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just win please Villa...
UTV
The Doc
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
I passed Old Trafford yesterday morning on the tram and gave it the full Joe C Special.
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In the words of the Dame, on what would have been his 75th birthday this weekend (and anniversary of his death on Monday) - All you've got to do is win
*When Bowie died six years ago, it coincided with our relegation season. However, in our next home game we played Palace. The team ran out to Heroes and we won our first league game since the opening day of the season, five months prior!
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I think the Coutinho factor will be a big boost to the players and going for a Villa win 2-1, which would probably be the first time we've ever won twice in a season at OT.
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They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
In fairness, my experience last time up there was like a dream. Easy parking, a three course meal, good seats, three points, major shithousing of them and a missed penalty, it had the lot.
Exactly the same for me mate. I was sat within a few seats of singer Anne-Marie and Gareth "Twat" Southgate as well. Was home more quickly than it usually takes me from Villa Park too.
They’ve got ‘Theatre of dreams’ printed on the actual ticket
I mean it couldn’t get more like a trip to Disneyland, i’m surprised one of the new stands wasn’t modelled on Cinderellas castle
If you haven't up there for a while, wait until you see their shop. When I say shop, I mean hypermarket.
Last time I was there Grealish curled that one into the top corner
I’m hoping for similar memories on Monday
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Don’t know what happened to that complete guacamole of a post
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Still not received mine either. Its not like the ticket office is closed on the weekend and I have work Monday....
Same for me. Rang them earlier and they said loads of people still not had theirs – only posted on Tuesday despite me getting the dispatched email last Friday. My Everton tickets arrived yesterday, so hoping that they arrive in the post tomorrow.
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I think the Coutinho factor will be a big boost to the players and going for a Villa win 2-1, which would probably be the first time we've ever won twice in a season at OT.
1919-1920.
Won up there in the league in December, won up there in the 3rd round in January and went on to win the Cup.
https://www.11v11.com/matches/manchester-united-v-aston-villa-13-december-1919-60574/
https://www.11v11.com/matches/manchester-united-v-aston-villa-31-january-1920-206725/
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I've never been to Manchester. But FTF! We win.
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Winning at OT twice in a row?
Can’t see it happening. We’re not due a win there for 10 years.
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I've never been to Manchester. But FTF! We win.
You’re not missing much.
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The heart says we will win and go on to lift the cup like it does every season, the head also says we will win 1-2.
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I had a dream in the week that we got to Wembley. To be honest the dream was more about the arrangements to get there and what I was packing in my bag for the trip rather than any glorious victory on the pitch but it's something to cling to I guess.
Having said that I also had a dream, about 10 years ago or so, that we were playing West Ham in the FA Cup final so it's probably a load of old shit. Like most dreams.
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I don't feel us winning this unfortunately I'm yet to fully trust Gerrard taking the game to a team away from home with a reputation of Man Utd.
That's the feeling.
Wondering if the full backs will get forward. Wondering if our final ball will be good enough. Wondering if it's only a set piece that will give us a goal.
Certainly can take this game to penalties then anything can happen.
But to me Villa can win this with the right approach in 90 minutes and a bit of luck.(as we often have bad luck Vs Man Utd)
We'll see nice periods of play and possession but will we see much genuine attacking threat and shots at the goal.
Knowing it's a one off tie Gerrard could well set out to be solid and not concede chances being difficult to break down and win 1-0
That sort of tactic could mean have to soak up a lot of pressure. And that's not wise. So should never be bringing that on though Gerrard seems to encourage it
Can also see us having one excellent half of football and one not as good.
The things I want to see is attacking intent and goals by villa
It's a cup tie and this man utd defence isn't the greatest. Let's have a go.
And a consistency throughout the match of playing well and making good possession count.
Only against Norwich have we done that so far and they are the worse team in the league.
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I've just seen a photo of those wanky, cringy Theatre of ****** Adidas-branded tickets. I scoff, piss and fart in their general direction. Money-machine, revenue-generating, monetisation-specialist wankers!
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I've just seen a photo of those wanky, cringy Theatre of ****** Adidas-branded tickets. I scoff, piss and fart in their general direction. Money-machine, revenue-generating, monetisation-specialist wankers!
Be a nice to see one as mine still haven't arrived
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Ah! They want you to 'dream' about attending.
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Some willbe dreaming of attending. If there's actually 60,000 on the ground Monday I'll be shocked.
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Jokes aside, I think it's poor from the Club for fans to be receiving tickets for an away game in Manchester on the day of the game (at best!!)
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61st minute.
That is when they will get their penalty.
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61st minute.
That is when they will get their penalty.
Even if he saved it you know they'd find his left big toe was half an inch over the line and make it be taken again.
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61st minute.
That is when they will get their penalty.
Even if he saved it you know they'd find his left big toe was half an inch over the line and make it be taken again.
Or give another in the 93rd minute.
We should have a guess the minute when they get their penalties.
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What goalkeeper do you think he will play ?
If you want to win the game you play Martinez
If you want to win the game but not quite as much you play Steer
Martinez is one of the best goalkeepers in the league maybe even THE best our other goalkeepers are a couple of levels below, Also Martinez brings confidence to the back line
It could be the difference in winning and losing
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He also his strongest XI for me.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
McGinn
Ramsey
Buendia
Watkins
Ings
Based on what we have available. Pip to come in on Saturday.
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Play our best available eleven. Reserve 'keepers are for dire emergencies or walkovers, not third round ties at OT. We've not played in a week, we don't play again til Saturday evening. They'll be getting the record books out digging around for the last time we won twice at theirs in a season. FTKEASMUSTF, 2-none the Villa.
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Is it too early to say I'd like Kidderminster Harriers at home in the 4th round?!
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He also his strongest XI for me.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
McGinn
Ramsey
Buendia
Watkins
Ings
Based on what we have available. Pip to come in on Saturday.
Ideal game to get a good look at Sanson I think.
Ings to keep his spot, AEG or someone else on left wing.
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I heard on a podcast this week that only 3 away teams have ever won twice at Old Trafford in the same season. Apparently Villa were one of them but it was late 19th Century so history is against us winning but given their current form we’ve got a decent chance.
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Looking forward to seeing Ferguson on the screen every 5 frickin minutes!
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He also his strongest XI for me.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
McGinn
Ramsey
Buendia
Watkins
Ings
Based on what we have available. Pip to come in on Saturday.
Ideal game to get a good look at Sanson I think.
Ings to keep his spot, AEG or someone else on left wing.
I can see Sanson & Traore start to get some minutes under their belt. Ings and Buendia should play.
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It's time, FTF again!
Of course there's leaks. Of course they're not happy. Because someone is here putting demands on them and making them earn their obscene wages.
So, let me get this straight: You don't like the nice guy Ole who tells you how talented you are and tries to be your mate - he's out of his depth. You don't like the mean German man who makes you train at a time you don't like?
What happened to all this looking in the mirror they were doing? It appears it resulted in them blaming everyone except themselves.
I'm sorry, but since when is it the coaches job to impress the players? Havent they got that backwards? Aren't the players supposed to impress upon the coaches? I bet Rangnick is pretty unimpressed by you lot being unable to execute simple 5 yard passes too. Can you imagine Steve Bruce and others leaking to the press in the 90s that they aren't impressed with this Brian Kidd fella that Fergie has hired.
You cheeky, lazy, complacent bunch of f***ing children!
And you haven't even got the balls to put names to these claims, so f*** every last one of them.
I guess we can't complain. We've bred a brood of players who have consistently underperformed and get rewarded with new bumper deals. Absolutely zero consequences for failing to meet a basic standard.
Don't like the current guy? Don't worry, just bide your time, do f*** all and club will give you a new deal and you can just wait it out until the new guy comes in.
No wonder they feel they can pick and choose when they turn up and who they turn up for.
Clean slate, great wages, get to say you play for Man United and if you don't perform, you'll probably keep your place in the team and you'll definitely keep your place at the club.
This club is toxic and broken and the manager's position is fast becoming a poisoned chalice. I wouldn't blame Poch, Zidane or whoever else telling Woodward and co to stick it up their arse if they're offered the job.
It goes beyond tactics, the odd signing etc. The club is paying for years and years of neglect and a steady lowering of the standards.
I've never felt we're further away than we are now. This is all playing out too while our two closest rivals are comfortably the two best teams in the country. Every season now amounts to a bit of pre-season optimism, a couple of promising performances before we're quickly playing 'who do we want to win the league the least'. Sat there hoping City win so that liverpool don't. In f***ing November.
I've never felt more detached from the club. I hate what we've become and I pity anyone going into that job with earnest enthusiasm.
Honestly, f*** the lot of them.
Proof positive, if proof were needed, that utd is officially nothing more than a revenue-generating promotional business with a football team attached.
We are all merely frogs being quietly boiled in a big pot of piss.
Although my head tells me it's the FA Cup on the BBC so we'll still lose.
Boo hoo, they’re upset because the glory has dried up. I suppose it’s a problem when glory is the only reason you ‘support’ them.
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Tickets finally arrived in today's post.
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Man U content in the knowledge that they are about to put in their best performances of the season with depressing inevitability.
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It’s probably been mentioned before but is there be VAR on Monday
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It’s probably been mentioned before but is there be VAR on Monday
Think it's used in any ground where it's already installed, so should be.
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It’s probably been mentioned before but is there be VAR on Monday
Think it's used in any ground where it's already installed, so should be.
Ok thanks
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Hope everyone gets their tickets ok.
The Coutinhio factor, even if not playing, the Gerard factor, the bag of shite yanited factor. We win this.
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Be prepared for the Ronaldinho wank fest by the bbc commentators
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
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Chortle. Which immediately morphs into glum face.
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
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Frozen balls, innit.
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Feels like we draw Manure in the Cup almost as often as Chelsea draw a non-league team at home
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Feels like we draw Manure in the Cup almost as often as Chelsea draw a non-league team at home
Read somewhere last week that this game is the most common fixture in the history of the cup in 3rd/4th rounds.
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Feels like we draw Manure in the Cup almost as often as Chelsea draw a non-league team at home
Read somewhere last week that this game is the most common fixture in the history of the cup in 3rd/4th rounds.
Definitely a fix just like we've drawn Everton in the league more than any other team.
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150 draws over the years is not enough to mathematically or statistically see patterns…
I am not a mathematician.
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I always thought having FA Semi finals at Villa Park didn't help us much over the years. Became a lot of other players favourite ground over the years
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
Last season in the 4th round Man United drew Liverpool, so someone obviously forgot to freeze the balls last year!
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
Last season in the 4th round Man United drew Liverpool, so someone obviously forgot to freeze the balls last year!
....or they all pfaffed about talking shite for so long before doing the draw that the balls warmed up!
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Forgot Traore is away at ACON
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
the theory goes that they can heat certain balls up so that they can be identified by touch alone.
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
the theory goes that they can heat certain balls up so that they can be identified by touch alone.
And why would so many different random people who get roped in to draw the balls, go along with this, and it never come out in public?
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And why do I bother making a thread on fa cup 4th round to talk of such!
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Be prepared for the Ronaldinho wank fest by the bbc commentators
So which team is he playing for or should the 7th 8th and 9th letters be ignored ?
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I have a spare adult ticket for tomorrow if anyone wants it.
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How many are we taking?
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Not sure if it’s due to frozen balls and/or heated balls with the FA Cup draw - or just a coincidence - but all of the ‘Sky 6’ got a home draw in the 4th round.
Admittedly, Arsenal and Manchester United have to get through their third round ties first, which is probably irrelevant as United will be knocked out tomorrow (hopefully!).
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Spare ticket now gone.
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I think we will have much more of our stringiest team out than they will.
We may just nick it
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I think we will have much more of our stringiest team out than they will.
We may just nick it
That's a whole different thread.
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
the theory goes that they can heat certain balls up so that they can be identified by touch alone.
And why would so many different random people who get roped in to draw the balls, go along with this, and it never come out in public?
Why would referees be bought off, why would professional players throw matches? - dunno, but it's happened.
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
the theory goes that they can heat certain balls up so that they can be identified by touch alone.
And why would so many different random people who get roped in to draw the balls, go along with this, and it never come out in public?
Why would referees be bought off, why would professional players throw matches? - dunno, but it's happened.
Haha. Get paid for making Man Utd v Villa come out frequently. Why?
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Head says we'll lose tomorrow (it is Man Utd in the FA Cup after all), but heart says the Gerrard factor will see us smash them convincingly.
Really think we could go on a run this year, especially seeing as it's Boro at home in the next round. I also stand to pocket £225 if we do get past them, as I had a double on Harriers/Villa victories this weekend! 🤞🏻
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
the theory goes that they can heat certain balls up so that they can be identified by touch alone.
And why would so many different random people who get roped in to draw the balls, go along with this, and it never come out in public?
Why would referees be bought off, why would professional players throw matches? - dunno, but it's happened.
Haha. Get paid for making Man Utd v Villa come out frequently. Why?
We've played manyoo four times since `77. In that time, Leeds and Arsenal have been drawn against each other eight times.
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Who is the actual ref for this?
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The draw for the 4th round is at 4ish today... So we'll know for sure which of Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool it will be.
No-one will ever convince me that there hasn't been something very questionable going on with the FA Cup draw for years.
As much as it would be nice to give some sort of rationale to how we've drawn Newton Heath so many sodding times in the last two decades, I'd genuinely love to know how you think "something very questionable" could've been done with a live televised draw.
the theory goes that they can heat certain balls up so that they can be identified by touch alone.
And why would so many different random people who get roped in to draw the balls, go along with this, and it never come out in public?
Why would referees be bought off, why would professional players throw matches? - dunno, but it's happened.
Haha. Get paid for making Man Utd v Villa come out frequently. Why?
We've played manyoo four times since `77. In that time, Leeds and Arsenal have been drawn against each other eight times.
The mathematical truth of it all is that within a relatively small sample size such as FA Cup draws over the last few decades, clumping is just inevitably going to occur. We've drawn Blackburn a great deal over that time too, but because they are a lesser club it doesn't bother us
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At least if we do go out then with Burnley and Leeds both gone already we will not be short of a league game to reschedule for 5 Feb.
With the amount of COVID related postponements waiting to be rescheduled I can't see the justification any more in keeping 29 Jan clear. But that's for another thread...
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Who is the actual ref for this?
Alexander Ferguson, Govan.
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Who is the actual ref for this?
Alexander Ferguson, Govan.
I think he and a couple of bottles of Cotes du Rhône are on VAR.
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I can only see SG keeping it all compact and asking "his players" (not his players!) to be aggressive.
If it's not the result we want I do hope people aren't selective and only focus on the positives it's to be fair and balanced and observe the problematic nature Villa are approaching matches.
I just want Villa to have a go and win the game in an attacking way but I don't know if that's going to happen and think it's fair to say and want to see if others notice we're a little goal and creative shy because our main hub of creativity are from Cash and occasionally Targett or set pieces.
I hoping in time that's going to evolve and also improve
But it's fair to say for all the nice football there isn't much goal attempts going on Vs Chelsea , Liverpool and Man City or am I wildly inaccurate to say we played within ourselves and a containing job.
If not so then I don't see much change in tactic today which makes it immensely frustrating
So what I'm asking for someone explain or show to me otherwise how we exactly plan to win this today with way our system is.
Because Man Utd are very very beatable.
I can't stand it if we lose again in FA Cup 3rd round
I just feel annoying pessimistic based on how the new manager likes to approach the sterner tests.
Apologies.
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
Football matches are psychological battles as much as they are tactical or technical, and you could hardly find two clubs further apart mentally than Manchester United and Aston Villa this week. One club faces mass mutiny, an extraordinary leak detailing the extent of player power at Old Trafford and a crisis that reportedly has 17 (seventeen) players wanting out. The other is cackling maniacally as they welcome Philippe Coutinho on board.
Coutinho won’t be ready for this one, not least because he tested positive for Covid-19 just over a week ago, but his arrival will no doubt give Steven Gerrard’s side a much-needed boost after the strangely lacklustre performance against Brentford last weekend. After receiving a rollicking from the manager, and seeing the club’s ambition in action in the transfer market, we can anticipate a sharp upturn in energy levels in Monday night’s FA Cup third-round tie.
The same cannot be said of Man Utd. When Ralf Rangnick arrived he would have expected a shred of humility and patience from the squad, but instead they have already informed sources they are ‘underwhelmed’ and ‘unimpressed’ by his training and tactics, despite famously innovative tactician and coach Rangnick only having a handful of Covid-hit sessions in his first month at the helm.
It reveals a toxicity that runs much deeper than we had presumed, highlighting just how indulged the players were under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer – whose coaching deficiencies were supposed to be counter-balanced by the atmosphere he created. The Daily Mail suggests things are as bleak and cliquey as they were in the final days of Jose Mourinho.
Villa genuinely could win this game on good vibes alone, on working harder and playing with more energy against a team close to rock bottom. But there are plenty of tactical reasons to assume Villa have the upper hand, too, such has been the disastrous nature of Rangnick’s 4-2-2-2 formation.
The basic idea is for United to play quickly in the transition, to press hard and play in sharp vertical lines as soon as the ball is won, taking advantage of the opponent’s disorganised shape to overwhelm with a front four making runs on the shoulder of the defensive line. That hasn’t worked largely because United aren’t pressing or remaining compressed themselves (which until this week seemed a reflection of a lack of training time, but now feels like an attitude problem).
However, it is also the result of Rangnick’s 4-2-2-2 being unsuited to a super-club forced to dominate possession and territory. He has never managed a club this big before, and is yet to realise the Germanic tactical philosophy he helped to invent needs adapting to the biggest stage.
It is a concern also developing at Chelsea, where Thomas Tuchel is finding his 3-4-2-1 shape limiting when his team are forced to hold possession for long periods. Jurgen Klopp had to adapt, too, after a chaotic first year. The problem for Rangnick is that he doesn’t have that time – and he barely has any support, having been undermined by the club’s vague offer of a ‘consultancy’ role at the end of the season.
But he needs to change and he needs to change now. Opponents tend to sit deep and narrow for long periods against United, making the 4-2-2-2 an awkward shape for building through the lines; under Rangnick the inside forwards peel wide to find space, and as Scott McTominay and Nemanja Matic drop to receive the first pass they are therefore left with an empty space through the middle. United form an O-shape around that two and four, leading to aimless passing down the flanks.
Villa will be able to force this relatively easily, given Gerrard’s Christmas tree formation has two number 10s behind a striker. These two players will sit on Matic and McTominay and block the path into the two strikers, making that O-shape all the more futile; expect more frustration for the hosts.
Off the ball, United’s problems run even deeper. The 4-2-2-2 leaves huge gaps through the middle and between players, especially when it’s as decompressed as it has been at Man Utd, and as Wolves showed last Monday it is easy for the wide players to simply dribble diagonally through the lines, breaking into open areas. Villa may lack the pace to do this, although the bursting runs of Jacob Ramsey have been impressive recently and there is hope of counter-attacks launched through the young midfielder.
United will be relieved to see John McGinn suspended, mind.
And so Villa’s best chance of success is actually during sustained periods of pressure, not counters. Wolves dominated in the first half thanks to their 3-4-2-1 formation and United’s wingers rarely tracking back; with Ruben Neves and Joao Moutinho occupying McTominay and Matic, Trincao and Daniel Podence were free to dominate the game. In a similar role, Emiliano Buendia and Anwar El Ghazi could flourish as they look to slip Danny Ings in behind.
Villa appear to hold all the cards, then, although it is certainly possible that United adapt significantly following the damaging defeat to Wolves. Rangnick switched to a 3-4-2-1 in the second half, showing he is open to changing formation, while the introduction of Bruno Fernandes gave United more urgency. In the first half the forwards kept coming towards the ball, whereas in the second they made frequent runs of the sort Rangnick demands.
With Tyrone Mings still out, Villa could be susceptible to Fernandes and the movement of United’s forwards – if Rangnick switches to a formation that is easier for these under-coached and over-indulged players to understand.
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I though McGinn was suspended for Saturday rather than tonight?
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Also the writer thinks Mings is still out ???
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He's got a lot on his plate with the ManYoo write up to worry about minor details like that. Also think it's unlikely that El Ghazi will start.
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
All well and good but proper journalists have determined that we'll lose 2-1. ::)
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-aston-villa-simulated-22679758
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
All well and good but proper journalists have determined that we'll lose 2-1. ::)
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-aston-villa-simulated-22679758
They do that with everything now, games, transfers, the lot.
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
All well and good but proper journalists have determined that we'll lose 2-1. ::)
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-aston-villa-simulated-22679758
That is toe-curlingly, embarrassingly shite.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz Sanson Ramsey
Buendia Watkins
Ings
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
All well and good but proper journalists have determined that we'll lose 2-1. ::)
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-aston-villa-simulated-22679758
They do that with everything now, games, transfers, the lot.
Welcome to modern football! Jesus!
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
All well and good but proper journalists have determined that we'll lose 2-1. ::)
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-aston-villa-simulated-22679758
What age group or demographic is that shite aimed at? Is it that they know their readership is mainly 12 year olds in China?
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Nice tactical write-up on F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/tactical-preview-fa-cup-man-utd-v-aston-villa-rangnick-gerrard):
All well and good but proper journalists have determined that we'll lose 2-1. ::)
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-aston-villa-simulated-22679758
What age group or demographic is that shite aimed at? Is it that they know their readership is mainly 12 year olds in China?
Same as Gary Glitter
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz Sanson Ramsey
Buendia Watkins
Ings
Isn’t McGinn available. Thought his suspension was for the league game.
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Mcginns available tonight, but not on Saturday. Cant imagine for a minute that he won’t be playing tonight.
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Any predictions for the minute of Man U's first pen?!
I'm going with a 44th minute, pre-HT gift from the VAR Newton Heath Supporters Club.
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No excuses for me, should be the full side tonight and we should be going all out to win the tie. I could see some logic in giving Steer a game, but with the possibility of penalties, Martinez should play.
Will be very disappointed if we field a weakened side.
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Play the best 11 available and win. Just bloody WIN Villa. PLEASE! We'll need 2 or 3 goals to counter the inevitable dubious decision/penalty they'll no doubt get.
How I'd LOVE to put these fuckers to the sword on their own patch. Get past these and I have a good feeling we'll be watching Big Ty lift that trophy in the summer!
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My mind took me back to the 1/4 final in '92 at Anfield earlier.
A decent Villa side going to a formerly impregnable fortress with their team on the slide, going up thinking we've genuinely got a chance, cue limp display in 1-0 defeat.
Please change the record Villa.
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I want to see the headlines tomorrow
Ragnik rages as Utd collapse
Ronaldo asks agent to get him a ticket out of there
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I want to see the headlines tomorrow
Ragnik rages as Utd collapse
Ronaldo asks agent to get him a ticket out of there
Fernandes Penalty Miss Enters Earth's Orbit
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I want to see the headlines tomorrow
Ragnik rages as Utd collapse
Ronaldo asks agent to get him a ticket out of there
Fernandes Penalty Miss Enters Earth's Orbit
Be just our luck that his last one makes an untimely return to earth and nestles in the top corner.
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I can not for one second imagine Gerrard is going to play anything other than the strongest possible team available to him. In his early interview with Carragher, he spoke about the FA Cup, and its importance.
I have a horrible feeling it will go to penalties.
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Having already beaten them at OT this feels like the football gods are lining us up for them to get their revenge and restore footballs natural order of things according to the media. However, fuck all that. Were going to beat them hopefully with the dodgiest of dodgy decisions. 2-1 Villa a.e.t.
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I can not for one second imagine Gerrard is going to play anything other than the strongest possible team available to him. In his early interview with Carragher, he spoke about the FA Cup, and its importance.
I have a horrible feeling it will go to penalties.
I agree, and we'll lose, despite us giving them a real game for once.
However, I can see us winning at home on Saturday! ;)
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I heard on a podcast this week that only 3 away teams have ever won twice at Old Trafford in the same season. Apparently Villa were one of them but it was late 19th Century so history is against us winning but given their current form we’ve got a decent chance.
I've just googled to check kick-off time, and the "insights" tell me the three were Chelsea 2004/05, spuds 1989/90, and ourselves 1919/20.
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My mind took me back to the 1/4 final in '92 at Anfield earlier.
A decent Villa side going to a formerly impregnable fortress with their team on the slide, going up thinking we've genuinely got a chance, cue limp display in 1-0 defeat.
Please change the record Villa.
No unique yellow 3rd kit this time round though
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OK Gerrard no messing about. Pick the very best team available. We have not played for 10 days and only have one more game on Saturday before the next game a week after that. No rotation, no tryouts, no resting. Just go for it it the FA Cup.
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I really hate these wankers.
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I had 63 minutes in the sweep.
The time of the dodgy penalty or shitty ref/VAR decision leading to the wining goal for them.
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Strongish Yanited team.
DDG
Dalot Lindelof Varane Shaw
Fred McTominay
Fernandes Greenwood
Rashford Cavani
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My mind took me back to the 1/4 final in '92 at Anfield earlier.
A decent Villa side going to a formerly impregnable fortress with their team on the slide, going up thinking we've genuinely got a chance, cue limp display in 1-0 defeat.
Please change the record Villa.
No unique yellow 3rd kit this time round though
That yellow 3rd kit is my favourite Villa away shirt. Had it when I was younger, though my mum got rid of it once I grew out of it.
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My mind took me back to the 1/4 final in '92 at Anfield earlier.
A decent Villa side going to a formerly impregnable fortress with their team on the slide, going up thinking we've genuinely got a chance, cue limp display in 1-0 defeat.
Please change the record Villa.
No unique yellow 3rd kit this time round though
That yellow 3rd kit is my favourite Villa away shirt. Had it when I was younger, though my mum got rid of it once I grew out of it.
I hate it, never want to see it again, mainly as that Liverpool game was so painful.