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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on December 26, 2021, 07:32:31 PM
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Not good enough. Mings was playing for the White Hart.
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Ming’s goes to pieces when up against a top notch striker.
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Cash didn’t help!
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Chelsea scored all four goals too. No teeth in the final third.
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We were comfortable first half until Cash lost his mind.
Having said that we were truly awful second half. OK, maybe, maybe, Covid can be used as a mitigating factor but we were horribly passive.
We should cut our losses with Ings. He will never be able to play the high pressing game that Gerrard will demand so we should accept that and get what we can.
Buendia was awful too. How can we compete with Chelsea when 2 players are so off it.
Thought Sanson looked decent but overall, very poor.
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I wonder if we might have equalised if the substitutes had come on earlier?
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Destroyed second half. Mings and others bullied by a resurgent Lukaku. Disappointing after a very promising first half. Traore showed some nice touches when he came in. Not much else to enthuse about. Matty Rash for first, Mings a joke for second, Targett unable to even pull Lukaku back for the third. Don't think we even had a shot second half, very poor.
Martinez 7, Cash 5, Konsa 6, Mings 4, Targett 4, Luiz 7, Sanson 6, Ramsey 6, Buendia 3, Watkins 3, Ings 3. Traore 7, AEG 5, Carney 4.
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A work in progress if I ever saw one. Appreciate what they trying to do but sometimes a foot on the ball wouldn't go amiss. A work class striker exposed Ming's badly and as much as I love Matty Cash, he gifted them a very quick way back into the game. Excited to see a fully fit Sanson, Konza is our captain in waiting and we missed our manager and SJM badly. Hey ho....
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Disappointing 2nd half, poor from Mings for their 2nd.
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I liked the pressure and ball retention as we tried to equalise…but…the hard numbers don’t lie, there was no pressure on Mendy during that spell. We’re not quite incisive enough although I do like what SG etc is trying to do.
If we only lose against the likes of City, Liverpool and these tw@s then it’s fine I suppose.
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I hate Chelsea
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I thought Traoré showed fuck all. However, this is to be expected when coming back from injury.
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Chelsea scored all four goals too. No teeth in the final third.
Agreed - we was poor in both boxes today. Tidy in the middle, but it wasn't good enough to give me hope we'd get back into it once they were winning.
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First half was OK until the penalty. Second half was poor. Watkins and Ings DOES NOT WORK.
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Mings saves far more points than he costs us. I don't see what so many people seem to jump on him.
Konsa failed to deal with the ball and, in the resultant move, Mings get beaten by Lukaku - one of the "poorest" centre forwards in world football. Its all Mings' fault - No Konsa should have put it into row Z
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I hate Chelsea
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Good point
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Mings has a mistake in him every game for sure but most players do whatever game you play, it’s just that his invariably get punished big time.
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Disappointing 2nd half, poor from Mings for their 2nd.
Funny how Mings is the player highlighted again, you forgot to mention how Lukaku spun off Konsa first.
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Considering the strength of the opposition I thought we did quite well in the first half, starting the second half so slowly and Lukaku coming on changed the game. Only positives for me were Ramsey looking good, Sanson and Traore getting game time. Too many misplaced passes in the second half meant we didn’t have much possession.
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2nd half was dreadful, nobody to make any impact or impression
Some neat football at times but our 1st shot on target was El Ghazi
Need that tough midfielder.
It was written in the stars about lukaku , I think the commentator said it was his first league goal since scoring 2 against us in Sept
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Mings has a mistake in him every game for sure but most players do whatever game you play, it’s just that his invariably get punished big time.
Unfortunately Mings didn't even challenge for the header.......again!
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Chelsea weren't at their best, but they just bullied us in the second half.
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Not just mings. Targett was shit and cash cost us the game with the most stupidest challenge.
Whats that this 3rd pen he has conceded. For fucks sake matty sort this out.
Ings was crap too.
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2nd half was dreadful, nobody to make any impact or impression
Some neat football at times but our 1st shot on target was El Ghazi
Need that tough midfielder.
It was written in the stars about lukaku , I think the commentator said it was his first league goal since scoring 2 against us in Sept
9 in his last 10 v us, he's the new Shane Long.
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Mings has a mistake in him every game for sure but most players do whatever game you play, it’s just that his invariably get punished big time.
Unfortunately Mings didn't even challenge for the header.......again!
He allowed Lukaku have a unchallenged run and header in box, was deservedly punished. Was no pressure on cross either by Cash/Sanson. Konsa guilty of overplaying just before it.
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Think some serious questions need to asked about our summer business. I guess you can’t expect everyone of our signings on come off immediately - but for all 3 of our signings to look like a mistake after half a season isn’t really very good.
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We came out cold second half and never recovered, positives are first half we played some lovely football, Sanson played well as did luiz, Ings should have been replaced earlier totally out of place in this team. When Sanson went off we lost any momentum and Traore did nothing when he came on. Special mention to Jacob Ramsey who tried all day and is developing into some player. We looked a very tired side the last twenty.
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I thought we did well in the first half. They made the changes in the second and their superior quality showed.
Still, fine margins really. If we'd had Lukaku and they'd had Ings, we'd have won.
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Too many defeats already this season...far too respectful of the top 3 teams....but can see this changing next season, I'm staying positive.
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Ings and Watkins a waste of time.
Buendia was knackered after half hour.
Mings pathetic against Lukaku.
Thank god Tuesday is off as Leeds are desperate for a win.
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Think some serious questions need to asked about our summer business. I guess you can’t expect everyone of our signings on come off immediately - but for all 3 of our signings to look like a mistake after half a season isn’t really very good.
Ings is a complete flop, poorly scouted and will never fit our style of play. Feel sorry for him. Buendia I had huge hopes for but particularly against the better teams he looks completely lost. Yard short in every facet of his play, so disappointed with him so far. Bailey unfit and disinterested in an admittedly few horror appearances. Replaced Grealish with those three!
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Who is just as bad for man city…
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Think some serious questions need to asked about our summer business. I guess you can’t expect everyone of our signings on come off immediately - but for all 3 of our signings to look like a mistake after half a season isn’t really very good.
Ings is a complete flop, poorly scouted and will never fit our style of play. Feel sorry for him. Buendia I had huge hopes for but particularly against the better teams he looks completely lost. Yard short in every facet of his play, so disappointed with him so far. Bailey unfit and disinterested in an admittedly few horror appearances. Replaced Grealish with those three!
Yet we're still top half with more potential to grow in next six months.
I think we've got a decent chance of finishing above West Ham and they're 7th currently so might be a bit over ambitious but that will be Gerrard's mentality even if we're a long way from finished article which games like tonight show.
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We are our own worst enemy. Their equaliser came from our turding around in midfield. What the hell was Mings doing for their second and Konsa arguably lucky to stay on with the last ditch penalty I guess, Targett showed his complete lack of pace and failed to pull Lukaku back. He certainly makes a difference to Chelsea but we failed to deal with him.
One shot on target. Steven Gerrard knows the size of the task now. Only three games lost under Gerrard and all to the top three but if we are to improve, upgrades are needed in a few places. Rome not built in a day and I hope he gets the go-ahead to start spending in January.
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However many times I look at that third goal I see a surefire dive.
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We came out cold second half and never recovered, positives are first half we played some lovely football, Sanson played well as did luiz, Ings should have been replaced earlier totally out of place in this team. When Sanson went off we lost any momentum and Traore did nothing when he came on. Special mention to Jacob Ramsey who tried all day and is developing into some player. We looked a very tired side the last twenty.
Sanson was very good in first half I thought. But fitness wise he blew up in second half. Carney was lost as his replacement.
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One shot on target.
You're very generous referring to it as a shot.
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However many times I look at that third goal I see a surefire dive.
Target should have taken him down earlier.
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Think some serious questions need to asked about our summer business. I guess you can’t expect everyone of our signings on come off immediately - but for all 3 of our signings to look like a mistake after half a season isn’t really very good.
Ings is a complete flop, poorly scouted and will never fit our style of play. Feel sorry for him. Buendia I had huge hopes for but particularly against the better teams he looks completely lost. Yard short in every facet of his play, so disappointed with him so far. Bailey unfit and disinterested in an admittedly few horror appearances. Replaced Grealish with those three!
Unfair on Ings I think. He’s making good runs but the service to him is absolutely diabolical from several players including Watkins. Watkins was equally poor IMO in the second half.
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We had our trousers pulled down big time with Ings. A stupid panic buy, an utter waste of time and money.
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Missed the last 15 minutes shepherding relatives home. Very good first half, looking dangerous every time we attacked. Whether Tuchel pulled a masterstroke at half time by changing it, or we ran out of steam I dunno, but different game 2nd half. Lukaku had mings in his pocket which didn't help. Cash alternated between good and a calamity. Buendia, big meh for me. Watkins should have passed instead of shooting and vice versa. Didn't think Ings was that crap - one nice backheel that should have come off if the other guy had been paying attention. Overall 8/10 first half 4.5 2nd.
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We had our trousers pulled down big time with Ings. A stupid panic buy, an utter waste of time and money.
Didn’t we just, what makes it worse is all the pundits were saying what a great signing it was.
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Ings makes decent runs, but doesn't have the pace to take advantage of them. He just doesn't fit in our team. Every single time he plays we look less dangerous.
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We had our trousers pulled down big time with Ings. A stupid panic buy, an utter waste of time and money.
Didn’t we just, what makes it worse is all the pundits were saying what a great signing it was.
Agreed. I thought the same at the time, though.
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A woeful first 15 minutes of second half cost us dearly. But the improvement since SG’s arrival is tangible.
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The good news is Gerrard will have watched that and learnt a lot.
Mings has been a very good servant to the club but I think Gerrard will see that a big decision is needed there, he's always been inconsistent and prone to the gaffe - need better if we are to go where Gerrard hopes to take us.
Agree regards Ings - bad buy, he's cover for Watkins and not a strike partner - Gerrard will know he needs to make another difficult decision there which Ings wont like.
Am sure he already sees Targett is limited.
That for me will be where he will look to do business in January.
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Pretty disappointing second half display.
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Personally I think Ings is a great player (to have on the bench). He won’t like that, but that’s where he should be.
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Ings isn't a bad player. He's a player we did not, and do not, need.
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We had fought our way back into it.
But the subs made us worse, if anything. Bert I can understand after so long out. He's still feeling his way back. Chuck has been in and around the side the last few games and looked sloppy and leaden footed when he came on. Worth bearing in mind in future, when people assume brining subs on will provide an automatic uplift.
Meh, Sky got what they ultimately wanted.
Ably abetted by that clart Martin Atkinson.
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Haven’t read the thread yet but my thoughts..
Very disappointing performance.
Riddled with mistakes, poor decisions and zero real chances created.
Chelsea are a good team, no question, so one of the things you have to do is not give the ball back to them, which we did, constantly.
We started the second half poorly and looked lacking in energy for most of it.
And Watkins and Ings together just does NOT work. There is no partnership, no chemistry there whatsoever.
Positives.
JJ looked very good in flashes, as did Sanson, and at least he didn’t get injured.
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I’d be shopping Ings to Newcastle and see if we can make a profit on him in January.
They’d be tempted I reckon.
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
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Once Chelsea changed to the back 4 we were in trouble. 1st half they were blunt up front. Lukaku is a very cute player- that free kick in the 2nd half -he knew what mings was gonna do and just waited for him.
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There’s some shit talked on here tonight about the game. A game we lost because their subs massively improved them as it would. Lukaku is one of the best forwards in the league and will make them better that’s obvious to anyone who knows a little bit about football. Ours marginally improved us but not enough. Mings played well overall, won most headers from their corners. I’m not blaming him for the goal. That goes to Bundia who yet again lost his man allowing the cross. I like Bundia but some of his play does land us in trouble. I’m sure Gerrard sees it too. Sanson played well which is encouraging, as did Cash again.
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
His limited technical skills are exposed more on the wing where he can only turn inside. At least down the middle he can turn both ways and tends to drag centre backs down the left channel. Silva could have brought a pipe and slippers for all Ings threatened down the middle.
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I must have been at a different game as well, the only thing lacking was the threat from the forwards
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Guys, losing McGinn on top of Nakamba's injury is simply too much out of our midfield. McGinn would've made a big difference. I presume it's Covid with him being out? I'm sure Stevie G will by another DM in January. Cash put in poor challenge for the first pen when we were comfortable. Too much giving the ball away in the second half is something you simply can't do against a top side like Chelsea.
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Think some serious questions need to asked about our summer business. I guess you can’t expect everyone of our signings on come off immediately - but for all 3 of our signings to look like a mistake after half a season isn’t really very good.
Ings is a complete flop, poorly scouted and will never fit our style of play. Feel sorry for him. Buendia I had huge hopes for but particularly against the better teams he looks completely lost. Yard short in every facet of his play, so disappointed with him so far. Bailey unfit and disinterested in an admittedly few horror appearances. Replaced Grealish with those three!
Yet we're still top half with more potential to grow in next six months.
I think we've got a decent chance of finishing above West Ham and they're 7th currently so might be a bit over ambitious but that will be Gerrard's mentality even if we're a long way from finished article which games like tonight show.
Yes we’re still doing well and think maybe top 10 or even top 8 is where we should be. My point is more that last year we spent similar money and transformed the team - this year - the players we haven’t spent haven’t taken us any further forward. I know we lost Joe - but can we honestly say any of them are any better then Barkley - he won us a few games last year.
Ramsey has been like having a new signing this year - but if we want to get better we can’t afford to get too many big purchases wrong. Particularly when we talk so much about how amazingly well thought out all our transfer business is
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Thought we were competitive, first half our challenging and intercepting were generally first class. Second half with Lukaku they took a degree of control & we didn’t go toe to toe anything like as well.
Cash having a brain fart and lunging in is something he has to work on, he has given away too many penalties….something I guess happens a lot with converted wingers.
For the Lukaku goal neither centre half covers themselves in glory, Mings will get the brunt of it and the fact he doesn’t even leave the ground doesn’t help but Konsa let him go too.
Targett for me will definitely be the first upgrade that Gerrard looks at, he simply has no speed so cannot get up the pitch to be that overlapping full back that he wants and the way Lukaku just jogged away from him like he was running in concrete was so so poor.
Lost count of the amount of times Buendia tried to pass it through an opponent like there was no one there - still think he will come good but he needs to calm down a bit and play the simple ball rather than constant Hollywood
Ings and Watkins, again I felt they were trying to be too polite and rather than selfishly go for goal they were looking to pass and be recognised as a partnership.
What I come back to is the 3/4 games before we changed manager and how soft we had become…tonight individual errors cost us but we weren’t soft
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Can see a number of departures over the next six months. About a third of that squad is simply not good enough if we're serious about kicking on.
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We’ve played Chelsea 3 times this season and that was their easiest win of the 3. Mendy had almost nothing to do from anything we did. In the away league game he was man of the match. Thought our final third play was poor all round today.
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Think some serious questions need to asked about our summer business. I guess you can’t expect everyone of our signings on come off immediately - but for all 3 of our signings to look like a mistake after half a season isn’t really very good.
Ings is a complete flop, poorly scouted and will never fit our style of play. Feel sorry for him. Buendia I had huge hopes for but particularly against the better teams he looks completely lost. Yard short in every facet of his play, so disappointed with him so far. Bailey unfit and disinterested in an admittedly few horror appearances. Replaced Grealish with those three!
Yet we're still top half with more potential to grow in next six months.
I think we've got a decent chance of finishing above West Ham and they're 7th currently so might be a bit over ambitious but that will be Gerrard's mentality even if we're a long way from finished article which games like tonight show.
Yes we’re still doing well and think maybe top 10 or even top 8 is where we should be. My point is more that last year we spent similar money and transformed the team - this year - the players we haven’t spent haven’t taken us any further forward. I know we lost Joe - but can we honestly say any of them are any better then Barkley - he won us a few games last year.
Ramsey has been like having a new signing this year - but if we want to get better we can’t afford to get too many big purchases wrong. Particularly when we talk so much about how amazingly well thought out all our transfer business is
Ings is wrong fit, no argument there.
Think Buendia has roughly been same level as Barkley, just one of those we massively overpaid for but that's been case for domestic players last 15 years.
Think Bailey will come good eventually, proven in top league and talented and I'd really like to see him in the team with the quick one touch football we're now playing.
It takes time. Spurs did similar in 2013 when they sold Bale and signed 5-6. Many were flops but likes of Eriksen over time became key and they had breakthrough players in other positions.
Top 10 will be more than good enough for me this season and that looked a pipedream six weeks ago.
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We had our trousers pulled down big time with Ings. A stupid panic buy, an utter waste of time and money.
Didn’t we just, what makes it worse is all the pundits were saying what a great signing it was.
To be fair at the time a lot of us were saying what a great signing it was
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Did more than okay first half but bringing on Lukaku just took the game away from us. We couldn't handle him and their bench I would actually kill a close relative for so it was always going to be a big ask - particularly with SJM and Nakamba out as well. Oh well - onwards and upwards.....
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
I think this is highlighted when he plays wider. In front of goal his decisions are more straightforward
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We were decent in the first half, but I knew Tuchel would change it. Chalobah was lost and bringing Lukaku on was a huge change though we seemed to freeze just by him being on the pitch and made bad decisions.
We'd probably have won if we could have brought someone like that on, but our subs had very little impact today. We started the second half so slowly and let them build a passing rhythm.
We never really looked like getting back into it once we trailed and ended up rather like we did before Gerrard started. I can't help thinking that if he'd been on the touchline, we would have done a better job in the second half.
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It’s pretty much all been said really but did. like what we were trying to do in the first half. Against lesser opposition a number of the through balls would have been successful. I’m sure SG will be thinking that we need to nudge up the overall quality of our players.
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Thought we played well first half. More than matched Chelsea. Lukkaku changed the game. Disappointed with how Ming's seemed to fall to pieces in the second half. Maybe missed Gerrard on the touchline. Met Frank of this parish in Warwick Services on way home. Very foggy drive. Hopefully all get home safely.
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They’ve better players than us. We had a go but not enough quality and Watkins plays centre forward or not at all. Sanson could be some player.
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Watching back their third goal, Konsa was a bit unlucky for the penalty. Looked a dive in truth. Embarrassing effort from Targett before it to stop Lukaku. Take the yellow and make sure you stop him.
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I thought the front three did OK first half but in the second half they were quiet. If Watkins is being played through the centre then it is the responsibility of the wide players to create for him. When he is on the wing his role changes and he needs to come to terms with that. He might not like it but it is what it is. I think alot of criticism is going ings way when it shouldn't, if he was missing clear cut chances then fair enough but he isn't. I do get the impression that when asked to play on the wing ollies heart just isn't in it and that's why the "both of them can't play together" thing comes in. I do agree that ideally it's one or the other and I do believe that is the intention but while we have the injuries we have, he needs to park it and do a job.
My other concern is Carney, I think he and the club to be fair are wrong in where they think this kid is. Just my opinion but he needs to stop believing the hype, sign a new deal, get out on loan somewhere and play 30-40 games. Turning to him to influence games especially those against city and Chelsea just to keep him sweet isn't the one.
Someone pointed out to me today that they thought we missed SJM but I actually think we missed marvellous which meant the ones replacing SJM couldn't do so. This brings to light again that despite improving a great deal we still really need a holding midfielder.
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To get anything from Chelsea you need the whole team putting 7 out of 10 performances and cut out mistakes.
Ings looks like his legs have gone and on a few occasions he was in the box with the ball he was awful. Cash was pretty shit and looked like a converted winger from a mid tier championship team. Mings not challenging Lukaku in the air for his goal was just pathetic and he looked like his head was coming off again.
Buendia totally ineffective.
I really wish we had not spunked the greasy money so badly.
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If we play like that against anybody outside the top 4 or 5, we run out comfortable winners in my opinion.
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Disappointed but not despondent. Our preparation for the game was far from ideal. At least even against the top teams these days you know we will have a go. Get Gerrard back on the sideline and everyone fit and we can still finish in a decent position
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-chelsea/report/446468
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
He never seems to look up to see if there are better options around him other than to just blast a shot and hope for the best. Until he gets this sorted and part of his game then he will remain just an average striker.
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Other than the own goal, our ball into the box was really poor tonight. If Cash is going to be a quality right back for us over the years, his distribution needs to improve. Targett was just as poor. If we are to get anywhere under Gerrard, we need upgrades at left back, central midfield and a regular scoring midfielder. Douglas Luiz, for me just isn't the answer, seems to go missing for long periods. We missed McGinn's hard work and pressing tonight I thought.
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The big advantage they had were two quality wing backs something we're sadly missing, Cash is trying to be that player but his crossing is woeful. I'm not that bothered about today as i see improvement in the team overall, Buendia has a good footballing brain but not the skillset to go with it, I would give him time as it was a big Transition from the Championship, next season he may come on.
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
He never seems to look up to see if there are better options around him other than to just blast a shot and hope for the best. Until he gets this sorted and part of his game then he will remain just an average striker.
Doesn't seem as if he has the skill to side step a defender when shooting. So many times he gets blocked.
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Played well, they have so much quality, yes a positive result would have been great butwe are in transition with new coach who is getting to see what his players are all about. It’s all about building towards something. We are still making progress and let’s see what Jan and the summer brings.
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Disappointed with the result Lukaku was the difference when he came on.
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The difference was they brought on a £90m striker.
Good first half, looked much the more threatening. Chelsea cannot play a false 9 like Man City or Spain of old could. We got into good positions and couldn't quite execute that final ball or shot.
Daft penalty, but a definite one nonetheless.
Second half they had somebody to lead the line and he's obviously very good. Felt we took a long time to react and were too deep and passive. We didn't create many chances, more positions of intent.
Without McGinn and our manager it was never going to be easy. Equally, it's hard to know who has been ill and who hasn't, how much time at BMH everybody has had. Difficult circumstances against the European Champions.
Sanson played well and we looked good in possession, making good runs and looking handy.
Mings does awfully poorly for the 2nd. Just go and compete with the big lump, don't try anything daft.
3rd goal is what it is.
A tough hand and just clearly 2nd best in the 2nd half. They had 2 good chances to add more, but the game was a lot closer than that.
Given the circumstances and playing 4 of last years top 5, we're probably a couple points shy of what we might have eeked out. We're competitive, albeit a long way behind the likes of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Fortunately for us, so are 16 other clubs.
Strengthen in January, as we will, then I'm confident we'll be top half and then you're with striking distance of going a step further with some fair winds and results.
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Saw the game from the point they got their second. What I saw was disappointing with only an El Ghazi weak shot to show for their efforts. Predictable result for me.
To play Ollie anywhere other than the central position is not playing to his strengths. Ings is a good purchase-as back-up to Ollie, which we desperately needed.
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Ings and Buendia are utter shite and a complete waste of money.
No idea why Mings, Cash and Targett take so much flak, Konsa also makes mistakes but on the whole I think we have a decent defence.
IMO the person we missed most was Gerrard not being there.
Still think we are in a far better place than we were under Smith and not far off being a very decent team. We need to move a few players out and get 2 or 3 decent players in and we could still have a very good season.
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Aston Villa 1-3 Chelsea: Thomas Tuchel criticises schedule and says his side 'are struggling' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59797781
Sodding foreign wanker.
Brings on a £97.5m centre forward as a sub, wins with 2 pens and still he's fucking moaning.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-chelsea/report/446468
That Mount miss was horrific, two Chelsea forwards waiting for him to square it. Martinez got away with one there. Konsa saved a certain goal from Alonso too. We were battered in the second half.
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I thought the front three did OK first half but in the second half they were quiet. If Watkins is being played through the centre then it is the responsibility of the wide players to create for him. When he is on the wing his role changes and he needs to come to terms with that. He might not like it but it is what it is. I think alot of criticism is going ings way when it shouldn't, if he was missing clear cut chances then fair enough but he isn't. I do get the impression that when asked to play on the wing ollies heart just isn't in it and that's why the "both of them can't play together" thing comes in. I do agree that ideally it's one or the other and I do believe that is the intention but while we have the injuries we have, he needs to park it and do a job.
My other concern is Carney, I think he and the club to be fair are wrong in where they think this kid is. Just my opinion but he needs to stop believing the hype, sign a new deal, get out on loan somewhere and play 30-40 games. Turning to him to influence games especially those against city and Chelsea just to keep him sweet isn't the one.
Someone pointed out to me today that they thought we missed SJM but I actually think we missed marvellous which meant the ones replacing SJM couldn't do so. This brings to light again that despite improving a great deal we still really need a holding midfielder.
Agree with all of that.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-chelsea/report/446468
That Mount miss was horrific, two Chelsea forwards waiting for him to square it. Martinez got away with one there. Konsa saved a certain goal from Alonso too. We were battered in the second half.
No we weren't.
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I thought Traoré showed fuck all. However, this is to be expected when coming back from injury.
If this is your biggest issue with today's performance, then maybe football's not for you.
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Ings is a good purchase-as back-up to Ollie, which we desperately needed.
We didn't sign a forward on £120k wages (which after the departure of Joe makes him our highest earner) to be backup.
He looked rusty today. Which - after a fair chunk of time out - is understandable.
He could still redeem himself with a strong second half of the season showing. But he doesn't look a good fit at the moment.
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Please can someone explain to me:
1. What Cash thinks he is doing for the first penalty.
2. What excuse of a challenge that was by Mings for their 2nd.
I accept they are better and all that but for Christ’s sake we make it so easy for these teams at times.
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Please can someone explain to me:
1. What Cash thinks he is doing for the first penalty.
2. What excuse of a challenge that was by Mings for their 2nd.
I accept they are better and all that but for Christ’s sake we make it so easy for these teams at times.
1. I don't know, he's been doing it since he arrived but has got better this season
2. I don't know, he's been doing it since he arrived but in truth if he didn't do it, he probably be in uniteds back four
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Lukaku is so strong but why did he fall over with barely a touch, if any?
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San Siro.
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San Siro.
Indeed
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Please can someone explain to me:
1. What Cash thinks he is doing for the first penalty.
2. What excuse of a challenge that was by Mings for their 2nd.
I accept they are better and all that but for Christ’s sake we make it so easy for these teams at times.
1. I don't know, he's been doing it since he arrived but has got better this season
2. I don't know, he's been doing it since he arrived but in truth if he didn't do it, he probably be in uniteds back four
Which United? Newcastle, West Ham, Sheffield, Rotherham…..?
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Please can someone explain to me:
1. What Cash thinks he is doing for the first penalty.
2. What excuse of a challenge that was by Mings for their 2nd.
I accept they are better and all that but for Christ’s sake we make it so easy for these teams at times.
1. I don't know, he's been doing it since he arrived but has got better this season
2. I don't know, he's been doing it since he arrived but in truth if he didn't do it, he probably be in uniteds back four
Which United? Newcastle, West Ham, Sheffield, Rotherham…..?
Southend united
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Promising first half, ran out of steam in the second when Chelsea’s subs were better than ours and they stretched our narrow shape. Thought Luiz had a good game.
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I thought Traoré showed fuck all. However, this is to be expected when coming back from injury.
If this is your biggest issue with today's performance, then maybe football's not for you.
Well said!
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Sodding foreign wanker.
Oh dear
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I thought Traoré showed fuck all. However, this is to be expected when coming back from injury.
If this is your biggest issue with today's performance, then maybe football's not for you.
Well said!
Thank you for your input.
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Thought we were very solid first half and you would struggle to tell who the champions league winners were. That Cash tackle was so disappointing as it got them back into it for free - I have only seen it live, from the other end of the Trinity, but what was he even thinking? Thought Ramsey, Luiz and Sanson were all pretty good, but strangely we also missed SJM and Nakamba. And Mings was exceptional first half.
Second half was woeful. Lukaku destroyed us - Mings seemed to totally lose his confidence, ducking out of headers and slicing the ID clearance. We also lost midfield for some reason, and there was so little movement or invention up front that were often had possession and just seemed to not be able to think of anything to do.
Buendia is a conundrum - I’m not in the “waste of money” camp, but yesterday there was far too much eye of the needle stuff attempted that just didn’t come off against a very well organised defence.
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Aston Villa 1-3 Chelsea: Thomas Tuchel criticises schedule and says his side 'are struggling' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59797781
Sodding foreign wanker.
Brings on a £97.5m centre forward as a sub, wins with 2 pens and still he's fucking moaning.
Can he not be a ‘sodding wanker’ …..he has to be a ‘foreign’ one ?
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Sodding foreign wanker.
Oh dear
Unnecessary adjective. He's just a wanker .
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Please can someone explain to me:
1. What Cash thinks he is doing for the first penalty.
2. What excuse of a challenge that was by Mings for their 2nd.
I accept they are better and all that but for Christ’s sake we make it so easy for these teams at times.
Neither acceptable and Sunday morning level by both of them. Cost us any chance of anything from the match.
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It’s frustrating watching Buendia making mistake after mistake and then having a little strop/sulk with himself. I think he has the wrong attitude and it shows on the pitch with flapping his arms around all the time.
Ings didn’t look fit and doesn’t work well with Ollie. Both of them need service to score goals and neither are creators of chances…they are finishers. We needed quality back up for Ollie last season and provide competition for places. Play one or the other…not both.
Missed most of the first half as my old man tripped and fell on the way to ground causing a nasty looking head injury. Special thanks to the stewards outside the Trinity and St John’s Ambulance for their help and making sure he was ok.
All things considered I’m not too down beat about the defeat…a loss against the top 4 teams is still expected at this stage of our development and progress under Gerrard. The Leeds game being called off is a good thing, and gives both management and players time to get back fit and on the training ground. Looking forward to 2022…onwards and upwards!
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Ings is a good purchase-as back-up to Ollie, which we desperately needed.
We didn't sign a forward on £120k wages (which after the departure of Joe makes him our highest earner) to be backup.
He looked rusty today. Which - after a fair chunk of time out - is understandable.
He could still redeem himself with a strong second half of the season showing. But he doesn't look a good fit at the moment.
He''s playing like he should be a good back-up only no matter what wages he is on.
Watkins is our main striker and doesn't need shafting to the left wing to accommodate Ings. If our recruitment ( eg Lange) thought this then they're wrong.
We needed decent back up for Ollie, not a replacement. Ings is decent back-up. If Villa are prepared to pay him stupid wages for that role then clearly there are some issues with management beyond the touchline and pitch.
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
Totally agree - at times he's like Agbonlahor, runs straight into trouble. There was times last night it looked like he had no pace whatsoever.
Other games he is excellent.
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It’s frustrating watching Buendia making mistake after mistake and then having a little strop/sulk with himself. I think he has the wrong attitude and it shows on the pitch with flapping his arms around all the time.
Ings didn’t look fit and doesn’t work well with Ollie. Both of them need service to score goals and neither are creators of chances…they are finishers. We needed quality back up for Ollie last season and provide competition for places. Play one or the other…not both.
Missed most of the first half as my old man tripped and fell on the way to ground causing a nasty looking head injury. Special thanks to the stewards outside the Trinity and St John’s Ambulance for their help and making sure he was ok.
All things considered I’m not too down beat about the defeat…a loss against the top 4 teams is still expected at this stage of our development and progress under Gerrard. The Leeds game being called off is a good thing, and gives both management and players time to get back fit and on the training ground. Looking forward to 2022…onwards and upwards!
Hope your Dad is ok KRS.
Yes agree with loads of this and I'm getting frustrated with Buendia"s antics.
All the arm waving is pathetic and didn't he kick a water bottle when he came off which his a ball boy?
I'm sure I saw it from sitting in the Doug Ellis.
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Seeing plenty of criticism of most of the back four but very little about the cock up Martinez made where Mount had the easiest chance of the game.
Defensively we were compact & sound until Cash’s brain fart…that incident led to all the back 5 making errors, 3 of which were punished.
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Please can someone explain to me:
1. What Cash thinks he is doing for the first penalty.
2. What excuse of a challenge that was by Mings for their 2nd.
I accept they are better and all that but for Christ’s sake we make it so easy for these teams at times.
Neither acceptable and Sunday morning level by both of them. Cost us any chance of anything from the match.
The Cash tackle was almost in slow motion, you could see exactly what he was going to do. Sometimes he's like a dog chasing a ball at 100mph, he needs to take a deep breath and calm down.
Mings didn't even attempt to challenge Lukaku, I could see what he was trying to do and just ease him under the ball, but good luck with that, he's a beast. Targett tried to hitch a piggy back on him and he didn't even break stride.
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One of the things yesterday did show, just how important SJM is to the team. The way he is playing he is fast becoming just as important as Grealish was last season. The Leeds postponement has done us a big favour as SJM would also have missed that match.
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The introduction of a £100 million striker made the difference in the game. He was bought by Chelsea to win important games for them and he did. Mings didn’t cope well with the movement and villa didn’t cope well with the ball into the box.
I criticise Cash for his delivery into the penalty area most games, as I do Targett. For a converted winger Cash, in particular should do better.
Defensively, they’re typical Premiership fullbacks, mobile but nowhere near in the defensive class of Gidman, Swain, Staunton and Robson, but ok.
Chelsea earlier in the season was the first game Smith played three at the back, I suspect principally to counter the ex Olbyion loanee. Hause is better in the air than Mings against a strong aggressive centre forward.
Yesterday showed how far we have to go. The outline is there but we have to fill in the rest. Upgrades on a number of players required.
A free hit yesterday but we need to keep beating the teams around us. We are becoming a decent counterattacking team but this game showed we’ve still a long long way to go.
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I thought we were decent first half and played some very nice stuff at times. Second half, not so good and at the end of the day, we didn't test their keeper anywhere near enough.
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I thought Traoré showed fuck all. However, this is to be expected when coming back from injury.
If this is your biggest issue with today's performance, then maybe football's not for you.
Well said!
Err it’s a comment on a player’s performance in the match, on the post match thread. Not sure where it says it was the biggest issue today?
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Watkins is such a frustrating player. Gets into good positions but makes bad decisions more often than not.
He never seems to look up to see if there are better options around him other than to just blast a shot and hope for the best. Until he gets this sorted and part of his game then he will remain just an average striker.
Spot on.
That's why he's better as the attacking focus point: he's in more positions where he can take it on and shoot rather than have to think about those around him. He's a decent player; probably not a top-four player.
Ings is, unfortunately, not working.
Mings always seems to be bullied by the aggressive front-lump (he is, you'll recall, someone who got bullied by Joelinton, after all).
Sanson does look likely to be a player but still lacks match-fitness.
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Sodding foreign wanker.
Oh dear
Unnecessary adjective. He's just a wanker .
No need for the UKIP nonsense but Tuchel's so massively massively out of order claiming 'it's not fair' with the squad he has. What planet is he living on? Trying going to manage Norwich or Burnley, mate.
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Sodding foreign wanker.
Oh dear
Unnecessary adjective. He's just a wanker .
No need for the UKIP nonsense but Tuchel's so massively massively out of order claiming 'it's not fair' with the squad he has. What planet is he living on? Trying going to manage Norwich or Burnley, mate.
I don't know what's in this guys mind.
He's basically got two squads to pick from and so many options to choose from.
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Tuchel looks like Tony Pullis reanimated corpse, the whinging fuck. Woe is me, bringing on a £97m player.
Absolute throbber.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-chelsea/report/446468
That Mount miss was horrific, two Chelsea forwards waiting for him to square it. Martinez got away with one there. Konsa saved a certain goal from Alonso too. We were battered in the second half.
No we weren't.
I agree we werent battered. In the whole game they were completely on top for about 15/20 mins at the start of the second half. We were the better team first half and i thought Chelsea were there for the taking, but our final ball was just off, but once Cash made his mistake it had a degree of inevitability about how it would end.
I thought we needed to make the subs when we made them, but unfortunately we seemed to get worse when the changes were made.
On a positive Sanson is another good option in the middle and Ramsey continues to impress. Brentford away on Sunday is more of a marker of where we are than yesterday.
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Winds me up that the media not only air the rich kids' self-entitled tantrums but actually present them as if they're serious news. Wouldn't it be nice if a hack turned to a Tuchel and said: "As you're so keen on fairness, don't let us delay you while you tell Abramovitch to stop bankrolling you." I don't like football.
Anyway, Buendia looks the very definition of "mercurial". In an age where consistency is king among Premier League players, we might have bought an occasional showboat from the 90s, complete with Ginola-style theatrics.
Please make me eat those words.
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I thought we did okay, and got outdone by a particular player who would love to play us every week. Lukaku plays like a world beater against sides outside the top 6, and intermittently looks that good in the 'big' games. Or whenever he fancies it. Just a pain that he always fancies it against us. Because him aside I don't think Chelsea were really up to much. All fart and no shit until he provided some directness.
We had some good spells with the ball but never capitalized and sadly started slowly from the break. Our final third decision making was particularly frustrating, because Ings and Watkins both had blocked shots where squaring it to someone in space would have been better. Ollie in particular, with Beundia wide open (and he did not like that). Up to the final third some of our counterattacking was very good, just the final ball was lacking. I feel like we still lack a 'cute' player who regularly finds the right pass. Beundia is very hit and miss on that, often trying the difficult option rather than doing the easier thing well (like you know who may have done).
The game passed Sanson by I thought. Emi2 and Ings also struggled to get in the game. Disappointing from Cash. Konsa's late challenge wasn't great but slightly different in that he probably felt there was no option. I actually thought he should have seen a red for it. Emi1 had one of his worst games this season, but still kept us in it a couple of times.
We really missed SJM. Might have made a significant difference in midfield, and whilst he can be erratic with final ball, he still pulls off some gems, and might have found the right ball on several of those opportunities we had. We probably missed Gerrard on the touchline too. Good to see Traore back as he's a bit of a forgotten man and it least kept the ball better. Atypically inconsistent around the box, but swings and roundabouts with that type of player.
Frustrating, because we fall a bit short against one of the top 4 again, where honestly it was a day we could have taken at least a point off them. They weren't great.
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Winds me up that the media not only air the rich kids' self-entitled tantrums but actually present them as if they're serious news. Wouldn't it be nice if a hack turned to a Tuchel and said: "As you're so keen on fairness, don't let us delay you while you tell Abramovitch to stop bankrolling you." I don't like football.
Anyway, Buendia looks the very definition of "mercurial". In an age where consistency is king among Premier League players, we might have bought an occasional showboat from the 90s, complete with Ginola-style theatrics.
Please make me eat those words.
I'm finding myself more and more frustrated with the guy the more I see him.
I don't want to give up on him as he clearly has a talent but it's currently a selection of misplaced passes, being knocked off the ball, lots of arm waving along with the occasional piece of brilliance.
It's down to the gaffer to decide if he merits a place I suppose.
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Sanson played really well.
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I thought the game panned out exactly as sky and the general media wanted and expected it to. It's Christmas and the big franchise clubs are beamed around the globe to showcase exactly what the Premier league gravy train is all about. It would be great to smash the cosy cartel and ruin things for the chief execs but that ain't gonna happen when Oligarch FC can bring on a 100 million pound sub to force the issue. We couldn't cope and we were just the patsys who played our part perfectly. Merry fucking Christmas.
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Sanson played really well.
I've been clamouring for him to play whenever he's been fit but last night I was really disappointed. The game passed him by for the most part, he lost possession quite a bit and I can't remember anything clever or intelligent like he has done in his recent sub cameos. I think there was a large level of rustiness, as with Ings.
It was Morgan's first start of the season so I'm sure, like Naka, he'll soon prove his worth.
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Sanson did okay. Promising in the context of basically starting his career again. For me the pick of the bunch was Luiz - very good 1st half.
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Bizarre opinions. He used the ball well, took players,
on, was good out of possession and just (unsurprisingly) ran out of steam.
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I've just got round to watching the highlights and it doesn't make good viewing for our defenders. The first pen was a ridiculous challenge by Cash and the other pen is equally bad by Konsa with both feet off the ground he left the ref with an easy decision. Lukakus header makes Mings look like a schoolboy. Awful and embarrassingly bad from him. All three goals were totally avoidable and we were guilty of 3 massive brain farts. Steven Gerrard had the ideal view from his sofa and will be pretty pissed of with all three.
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Other than the own goal, our ball into the box was really poor tonight. If Cash is going to be a quality right back for us over the years, his distribution needs to improve. Targett was just as poor. If we are to get anywhere under Gerrard, we need upgrades at left back, central midfield and a regular scoring midfielder. Douglas Luiz, for me just isn't the answer, seems to go missing for long periods. We missed McGinn's hard work and pressing tonight I thought.
Targett is a really poor crosser of the ball isn't he?
Ironic the own goal came from his cross but how many times in the game does he have space to cross under no pressure and he just puts in a flat one the first defender easily clears?
Compare that to Alonso whipping one in first half that went right across our six yard box with pace and we just scrambled it clear. Another in the second half where Cash nearly scored an OG.
I think with rumours of new LB Gerrard has clocked it already and wants a better offensive full back who can whip in decent balls, Targett can stay as back up.
Actually surprised we haven't been linked to Trippier given he does set up goals with decent crosses and can play either position pretty comfortably but guess he's too old now for our recruitment policy and Newcastle will probably offer double what we could offer.
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Easily our worst performance under Mr Gerrard and worryingly like the Villa of old.
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We just don’t seem to play well for two halves.
I thought we were excellent in the first half. Some truly great passing going forward.
If Watkins was a better striker he could have a hat trick in the first half. He first and second touches weren’t quite good enough.
I think with McGinn fit this squad can finish 6th as we should beat most of the teams for the rest of the season.
To push on from this we need up grades on Cash and Targett. And to buy a top class striker.
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I thought Traoré showed fuck all. However, this is to be expected when coming back from injury.
If this is your biggest issue with today's performance, then maybe football's not for you.
Well said!
Err it’s a comment on a player’s performance in the match, on the post match thread. Not sure where it says it was the biggest issue today?
Cheers Rooboy but it is too late. I have sent back my Claret Membership, cancelled my Golden Muppets subs and will be leaving this forum in order to concentrate on Formula One.
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The difference was they brought on a £90m striker.
Good first half, looked much the more threatening. Chelsea cannot play a false 9 like Man City or Spain of old could. We got into good positions and couldn't quite execute that final ball or shot.
Daft penalty, but a definite one nonetheless.
Second half they had somebody to lead the line and he's obviously very good. Felt we took a long time to react and were too deep and passive. We didn't create many chances, more positions of intent.
Without McGinn and our manager it was never going to be easy. Equally, it's hard to know who has been ill and who hasn't, how much time at BMH everybody has had. Difficult circumstances against the European Champions.
Sanson played well and we looked good in possession, making good runs and looking handy.
Mings does awfully poorly for the 2nd. Just go and compete with the big lump, don't try anything daft.
3rd goal is what it is.
A tough hand and just clearly 2nd best in the 2nd half. They had 2 good chances to add more, but the game was a lot closer than that.
Given the circumstances and playing 4 of last years top 5, we're probably a couple points shy of what we might have eeked out. We're competitive, albeit a long way behind the likes of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Fortunately for us, so are 16 other clubs.
Strengthen in January, as we will, then I'm confident we'll be top half and then you're with striking distance of going a step further with some fair winds and results.
I disagree with almost everything Ads says on non-football matters, but I always look for his football posts as they are knowledgeable, insightful, full of good analysis and in my opinion almost always 100% spot on. Fair play mate, you’ve nailed it again.
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Easily our worst performance under Mr Gerrard and worryingly like the Villa of old.
If we're putting in our worst performances under this manager against the top 3 then we'll have a very good second half of the season.
I think as long as we get everyone fit we'll have a real good go at both fixtures against the other Manchester team and win one of them.
Our level was more than fine first half, just a very flat opening to second half that cost us as we lost all momentum.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-chelsea/report/446468
That Mount miss was horrific, two Chelsea forwards waiting for him to square it. Martinez got away with one there. Konsa saved a certain goal from Alonso too. We were battered in the second half.
No we weren't.
I agree we werent battered. In the whole game they were completely on top for about 15/20 mins at the start of the second half. We were the better team first half and i thought Chelsea were there for the taking, but our final ball was just off, but once Cash made his mistake it had a degree of inevitability about how it would end.
I thought we needed to make the subs when we made them, but unfortunately we seemed to get worse when the changes were made.
On a positive Sanson is another good option in the middle and Ramsey continues to impress. Brentford away on Sunday is more of a marker of where we are than yesterday.
Agree with a lot of this. Thought there were a lot of positives yesterday, especially how we kept the ball at times and played some good football.
I agree that the quality in the final third is a bit of a problem at the moment, especially in games against the top sides where you don't get as many chances. Watkins just hasn't got the ability on the ball to play in a creative role in the top flight and needs to play centrally. It is those playing in those two 'number 10' roles who are giving the ball away too often at the moment, along with the full-backs not delivering quality crosses.
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I also think Chelsea have a dive coach.
You can just see how their balance and centre of gravity is tuned to theatrically fall at the slightest contact. Almost balletic.
Lukaku only had one thing on his mind when he ran into the area.
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End of the day we weren't great 2nd half, but if Lukaku had been playing for us 1st half when we were on top we'd still have won even with Cash's fuck-up.
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Oh don’t get me started on Herr Steptoe.
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Oh don’t get me started on Herr Steptoe.
I've just re read the article.
What a complete knob.
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Thought we were good for the first 35 mins, just slightly lacking with the final ball. Then our intensity seemed to drop. Second half was the same low energy crap culminating in some very poor defending by the back 4. Mings appeared to crap himself when Lukaku came on and went to pieces.
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Thought we were good for the first 35 mins, just slightly lacking with the final ball. Then our intensity seemed to drop. Second half was the same low energy crap culminating in some very poor defending by the back 4. Mings appeared to crap himself when Lukaku came on and went to pieces.
I think that's spot on re: Mings/Lukaku
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Winds me up that the media not only air the rich kids' self-entitled tantrums but actually present them as if they're serious news. Wouldn't it be nice if a hack turned to a Tuchel and said: "As you're so keen on fairness, don't let us delay you while you tell Abramovitch to stop bankrolling you." I don't like football.
Maybe Tuchel should mention how pointless the chump league group stages with the 6 games , but he wouldnt want to have knockout comp would he , just in case
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At least Shearer called him out on it on MOTD.
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End of the day we weren't great 2nd half, but if Lukaku had been playing for us 1st half when we were on top we'd still have won even with Cash's fuck-up.
It wasn't just "Cash's fuck up" becuse in the few minutes of play before that we were dreadful. We lost the ball in midfield through messing aboout rather than anything Chelsea did about 3 time and it was on that last breakdown in that spell that they managed the get the ball over to their left to attack and we and Cash were caught napping.
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End of the day we weren't great 2nd half, but if Lukaku had been playing for us 1st half when we were on top we'd still have won even with Cash's fuck-up.
It wasn't just "Cash's fuck up" becuse in the few minutes of play before that we were dreadful. We lost the ball in midfield through messing aboout rather than anything Chelsea did about 3 time and it was on that last breakdown in that spell that they managed the get the ball over to their left to attack and we and Cash were caught napping.
Yes, it was an infuriating goal to give away as Chelsea were doing very little. Ramsey had easy possession and played a poor ball that was nowhere near Buendia.
We were sloppy at times and obviously the better teams will take advantage of that.
What was promising in the first half though was that we were attempting to play composed passing on the deck including the defenders.
It was noticeable that Mings continually tried to pick a pass rather than launching the ball aimlessly forward which is evidently what Gerrard is instilling in the team.
It is promising overall even though there will be the odd blip here and there.
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We were the better side for most of the first half. Chelsea offered very little but we had several almost moments, where the wrong or slightly over hit pass could have gone the other way.
Cash's challenge for the penalty really cost us & Chelsea took control afterwards. Mings was rattled by Lukaku.
We have to remember we are only 7 games into Gerrard's reign but he's getting more out of the team than Dean did. We haven't seen our first choice side play together yet & hopefully a few gaps will be filled in Jan.
Buendia doesn't seem to have the pace for the PL, which can be masked if you can physically keep possession. I will hold judgement on him next season.
Ings just doesn't fit in with how we are set up & is not a back-up to Watkins.
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I thought Kovacic made a big difference to their midfield when he came in. Kante was quiet enough. While Lukaku was an obvious sub, switching to a 343 was clever from Tuchel. It took Gary Mc far too long to respond.
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Looking at the big picture we’ve lost to the top 3 and apart from first half against Man City and second half against Chelsea we’ve played quite well.
We’ve won all of the other games, some of which didn’t look very winnable after that Southampton defeat. Gerrard wasn’t there yesterday either.
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You could see right from the start of the second half that suddenly we were more passive, the pressing was off and that Chelsea had stepped it up again. I’m not saying we would still have won the game had he been there but I definitely think that’s where we missed Gerrard on the touch line yesterday.
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You could see right from the start of the second half that suddenly we were more passive, the pressing was off and that Chelsea had stepped it up again. I’m not saying we would still have won the game had he been there but I definitely think that’s where we missed Gerrard on the touch line yesterday.
Spot on......exactly what I thought too and dreading we were going to get torn apart, especially after Lukaku scored his header very comfortably. We managed to rally, and I actually thought our element of anything resembling control dipped when Sanson went off....their 2nd penalty was gift wrapped by Targett, Konsa writing the gift tag and tying it on. We need to be smarter than that.
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Sanson played really well.
Agree with this, his best game for us I thought
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You could see right from the start of the second half that suddenly we were more passive, the pressing was off and that Chelsea had stepped it up again. I’m not saying we would still have won the game had he been there but I definitely think that’s where we missed Gerrard on the touch line yesterday.
McAlister waited a long while before making any subs so I wonder if Gerrard had been there he would have reacted to counter Tuchel shifting to back 4 at the start of the second half quicker? The first 15 mins killed us and we were just about recovering when our subs came on.
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Sanson played really well.
Agree with this, his best game for us I thought
Yes I am very impressed with Sanson.
Think he will be very good for us.
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The game passed Sanson by, largely. Surprised at the praise he's getting. Loose on the ball a few times too.
His cameos have been great but I want to see him start against a team outside of the top 3 to see what he's made of.
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The game passed Sanson by, largely. Surprised at the praise he's getting. Loose on the ball a few times too.
His cameos have been great but I want to see him start against a team outside of the top 3 to see what he's made of.
You watched a different game to me…
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Passed him by how? He was excellent on the ball and was able to beat his marker, combative in winning the ball back and was excellent in distribution. No idea what game you saw.
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Passed him by how? He was excellent on the ball and was able to beat his marker, combative in winning the ball back and was excellent in distribution. No idea what game you saw.
That is exactly what I meant to say…
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Eamonn is obviously pulling a Xmas cracker. Sanson was up against an aristocratic midfield and he didn’t look out of place.
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Sanson was one of the better players , was cool on the ball and I liked how he wanted the ball returned into space , thou a few players missed it . Dougie was very good first half too. Sanson, SJM ,Dougie , JJ and another midfielder coming in to replace MN and we have a great midfield plus cameos from Chuka . I actually think Sanson has leader qualities .
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I'll defer to popular opinion, I was drinking while watching but thought he and the rest of our midfield stood-off Chelsea and had fcuk-all possession between them.
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I'll defer to popular opinion, I was drinking while watching but thought he and the rest of our midfield stood-off Chelsea and had fcuk-all possession between them.
Second half maybe but first half we had a lot more of the ball and pressed them in numbers.
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You could see right from the start of the second half that suddenly we were more passive, the pressing was off and that Chelsea had stepped it up again. I’m not saying we would still have won the game had he been there but I definitely think that’s where we missed Gerrard on the touch line yesterday.
McAlister waited a long while before making any subs so I wonder if Gerrard had been there he would have reacted to counter Tuchel shifting to back 4 at the start of the second half quicker? The first 15 mins killed us and we were just about recovering when our subs came on.
I didn't actually spot it but I'd be amazed if SG wasn't in permanent contact with Gary Mac for the whole game and team changes would have come from him. He wasn't banned he was ill.
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You could see right from the start of the second half that suddenly we were more passive, the pressing was off and that Chelsea had stepped it up again. I’m not saying we would still have won the game had he been there but I definitely think that’s where we missed Gerrard on the touch line yesterday.
McAlister waited a long while before making any subs so I wonder if Gerrard had been there he would have reacted to counter Tuchel shifting to back 4 at the start of the second half quicker? The first 15 mins killed us and we were just about recovering when our subs came on.
I didn't actually spot it but I'd be amazed if SG wasn't in permanent contact with Gary Mac for the whole game and team changes would have come from him. He wasn't banned he was ill.
I’d definitely say he was in touch, but it’s not the same as being there. He’d miss a lot of what was happening in terms of positional sense off the ball with only TV pictures to go on.
So I think his views would be filtered by the first hand views of Macalister, & naturally slower, both because of how quickly he’d be able to spot where the issues lay because he could see less, & adding in the time to discuss & communicate it,
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I thought we looked OK for large parts- especially in the first half. The Chelsea defence looked very good and whilst we threatened a few times, there was always somebody there to snuff out our threat. Against lesser sides we’ll turn that threat into chances. One thing I noticed was that long ball to put Watkins through from deep in our half, I expected the Chelsea keeper to come out and clear, but he didn’t. It happened 2 or 3 times again in the second half and he was straight out to clear.
Our casual nature of giving the ball away in dangerous positions in our own half infuriates the shit out of me. So unnecessary. Plus the heart in mouth moments when we fanny about at the back and play with fire. It’s so unnecessary, just bang it up the park if you’re in a tight spot. We so nearly got robbed in our own box at least four or five times. And when they do that, inevitably someone eventually bottles it and then hooves it clear.
I’m probably sounding critical where I don’t really mean to be. We were decent for large parts against a top 4/5 standard side. Plenty of positives to take. On balance, I think we could’ve done with the Leeds match not being cancelled. Probably could’ve bounced straight back with 3 points there that would’ve given us a sequence of LWLWLW with the 3 losses being Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
Sanson probably the standout Villa player for me, but the Chelsea centre back who was mopping up everything probably MOTM.
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I thought Sanson and Luiz were exellent first half, we really need quality attacking full backs though. Second half we seemed to give the ball away with sloppy passing that created more pressure for the defence.
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant: 'hoofs') in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
I am equally dismayed by those that get there and their mixed up, it really does upset me and there is no logical reason why it should. While i have you, does it matter if in the French language I confuse the masculine and feminine.
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ROBBO, BE is going to ignore you because of your basic error. "While i" and not "While I". Tut tut.
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ROBBO, BE is going to ignore you because of your basic error. "While i" and not "While I". Tut tut.
No question mark either.
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
You've missed a punctuation mark inside the parentheses. You've made the word 'hoofs' look like it's a contraction.
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
You've missed a punctuation mark inside the parentheses. You've made the word 'hoofs' look like it's a contraction.
No need to be short.
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Post edited. FFS!
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I am really enjoying this, BE hoist by his own petard ( William S ). Still unclear on the french masculine and feminine.
Anyone can answer.
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I am really enjoying this, BE hoist by his own petard ( William S ). Still unclear on the french masculine and feminine.
Anyone can answer.
:D
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
I am equally dismayed by those that get there and their mixed up, it really does upset me and there is no logical reason why it should. While i have you, does it matter if in the French language I confuse the masculine and feminine.
The odd word, not really. However, if you do it all over the shop then you would sound like a French-language version of one of those foreign students out of Mind your Language.
Also, there are a few words that change meaning when masculine or feminine, such as 'une ombre' (a shadow) and 'un ombre' (a small freshwater fish called a grayling).
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I am really enjoying this, BE hoist by his own petard ( William S ). Still unclear on the french masculine and feminine.
Anyone can answer.
A sloppy post while in trap 1 is one thing... :-)
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5 of our next 6 league fixtures are against bottom half teams, the other one is against Man United, who are playing like a bottom half team at the moment, so I would be disappointed if we did not get a minimum of 12 points from them, as well of course winning the cup tie at OT.
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
I am equally dismayed by those that get there and their mixed up, it really does upset me and there is no logical reason why it should. While i have you, does it matter if in the French language I confuse the masculine and feminine.
The odd word, not really. However, if you do it all over the shop then you would sound like a French-language version of one of those foreign students out of Mind your Language.
Also, there are a few words that change meaning when masculine or feminine, such as 'une ombre' (a shadow) and 'un ombre' (a small freshwater fish called a grayling).
As a learner of Spanish, I'm thoroughly fucked off with masculine and feminine nouns. IT DOESN'T MATTER, LADS!
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
I am equally dismayed by those that get there and their mixed up, it really does upset me and there is no logical reason why it should. While i have you, does it matter if in the French language I confuse the masculine and feminine.
The odd word, not really. However, if you do it all over the shop then you would sound like a French-language version of one of those foreign students out of Mind your Language.
Also, there are a few words that change meaning when masculine or feminine, such as 'une ombre' (a shadow) and 'un ombre' (a small freshwater fish called a grayling).
As a learner of Spanish, I'm thoroughly fucked off with masculine and feminine nouns. IT DOESN'T MATTER, LADS!
The usually efficient Germans have three.
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My OCD is not being helped by the use of the plural noun 'hooves' (variant 'hoofs) in place of the third person singular 'hoofs'. I'm really sorry but I need to mention it.
I am equally dismayed by those that get there and their mixed up, it really does upset me and there is no logical reason why it should. While i have you, does it matter if in the French language I confuse the masculine and feminine.
The odd word, not really. However, if you do it all over the shop then you would sound like a French-language version of one of those foreign students out of Mind your Language.
Also, there are a few words that change meaning when masculine or feminine, such as 'une ombre' (a shadow) and 'un ombre' (a small freshwater fish called a grayling).
As a learner of Spanish, I'm thoroughly fucked off with masculine and feminine nouns. IT DOESN'T MATTER, LADS!
I'm with BE on this, rules are rules.
If it's any consolation SE if you were learning Portuguese you'd also have to deal with masculine and feminine possessives, the personal infinitive and increased usage of the future subjunctive.
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Where would we be without the future subjunctive.(Yes I know I have invited a reply I shall probably not understand.)
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The use of "would" is an intentional emphatic.
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Mrs SE is an English teacher, and has grammar all sewn up. I'm part of a generation that was never taught it, so I constantly feel like an idiot. I know how to use it, but I'm fucked with the terminology.
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The terminology they use in English now goes right over my head. My English is ok, I did quite well at school and I get by in life. However trying to teach or help children during lockdown was impossible and very frustrating.
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I have a degree in it and I'm totally scoobied!
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I thought Sanson and Luiz were exellent first half, we really need quality attacking full backs though. Second half we seemed to give the ball away with sloppy passing that created more pressure for the defence.
Let's be honest.
They were at least one level above us and we never laid a glove on them in the second half.
But we are getting better and more organised in general. So.... onwards and upwards.
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I thought Sanson and Luiz were exellent first half, we really need quality attacking full backs though. Second half we seemed to give the ball away with sloppy passing that created more pressure for the defence.
Let's be honest.
They were at least one level above us and we never laid a glove on them in the second half.
But we are getting better and more organised in general. So.... onwards and upwards.
Well they got a degree in English and we didn't.
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I am really enjoying this, BE hoist by his own petard ( William S ). Still unclear on the french masculine and feminine.
Anyone can answer.
A sloppy post while in trap 1 is one thing... :-)
so what part of ‘when in doubt hoof/hoove it out, isn’t understood?
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'Hoove' does not exist as a verb; it is 'hoof'.
"Tyrone just hoofs/hoofed it up the park." *Tyrone hooves/hooved it.
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He does like the hoof
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'Hoove' does not exist as a verb; it is 'hoof'.
"Tyrone just hoofs/hoofed it up the park." *Tyrone hooves/hooved it.
Alternatively, 'Tyrone Hoovers up at the back.'
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You don't get discussions like this on VT! :)
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It behooves* us to maintain standards.
*American version used for, frankly, minimal comic effect.
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'Hoove' does not exist as a verb; it is 'hoof'.
"Tyrone just hoofs/hoofed it up the park." *Tyrone hooves/hooved it.
Alternatively, 'Tyrone Hoovers up at the back.'
Shouldn’t it be ‘Tyrone vacuums up at the back’?
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You don't get discussions like this on VT! :)
Yes but at least they have reached a consensus on the correct way to wipe yer arse.
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'Hoove' does not exist as a verb; it is 'hoof'.
"Tyrone just hoofs/hoofed it up the park." *Tyrone hooves/hooved it.
Alternatively, 'Tyrone Hoovers up at the back.'
Shouldn’t it be ‘Tyrone vacuums up at the back’?
or the very least "other brands are available"
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Alternatively, 'Tyrone Hoovers up at the back.'
Shouldn’t it be ‘Tyrone vacuums up at the back’?
or the very least "other brands are available"
Best mentioned to avoid Dyson fury.
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You don't get discussions like this on VT! :)
I assume they all know their parts of speech and avoid writing malapropisms then. ;-)
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You don't get discussions like this on VT! :)
Yes but at least they have reached a consensus on the correct way to wipe yer arse.
Stay on topic please.
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Alternatively, 'Tyrone Hoovers up at the back.'
Shouldn’t it be ‘Tyrone vacuums up at the back’?
or the very least "other brands are available"
Best mentioned to avoid Dyson fury.
Nah, it's all just hot air.
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Anyone else find it impossible to access Villa TV for this game?
Had to settle for Chelsea link in the end. If you think some Chelsea fans are unbearable under normal circumstances, try listening to the commentary when they're winning!