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Title: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on December 22, 2021, 07:39:34 AM
Probably the strangest pre match thread. God knows who will be available for both teams.

We have won our last 3 Boxing Day games.

Chelsea have been affected by covid and are in a bit of a rut so I can see us getting something here. 1-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2021, 08:55:21 AM
Chelsea play tonight, they  will be moving heaven and earth to get this called off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 22, 2021, 09:05:01 AM
2-0 if it goes ahead. Which I doubt.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Nev on December 22, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
I wasn't going anyway due to the timing, having to work in the day, mates not bothering, no public transport etc etc but it all seems a bit academic now.

I hope the match is on so I can watch it after work but what sort of teams will be out is anyone's guess so I'm not even going to predict a score safe to say I hope we win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on December 22, 2021, 09:09:10 AM
Might take my boots* with me on Sunday just in case. If so I fancy a 1-1, with me scoring our goal as emergency centre-forward.


*I don't actually own any football boots.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 22, 2021, 09:18:15 AM
Chelsea will come down with plenty of cases and the game will be off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2021, 09:21:35 AM
Imagine if Guess The Crowd was back for this, there'd be some wildly diverging, sexy guesses....

Anyway, would be happy with the gate we took at home to Chelsea Xmas 1994 and the same result to boot. A 3-0 win, a lifelong Villan scores has first Villa Park goal (Ian Taylor/JJ Ramsey).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2021, 09:58:50 AM
I hope they're forced to put out a weakened side, damaging the 'integrity' of the league, and we absolutely funeral them. And Tuchel cries in the post match interview.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 22, 2021, 10:07:56 AM
Is this game even going ahead?
In the event that it does I'm not expecting much. I never do against teams like these, as they usually come with their own dodgy referee and more recently with dodgy var.
A point or more will be a bonus result.
UTV! MCA.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2021, 10:27:50 AM
if it goes ahead I can see us wining this 2-1 Chelsea have played two games since our game was called off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on December 22, 2021, 10:35:32 AM
if it goes ahead....a win please Villa so I can shove it down the throats of those Chelsea fans in our village.


UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Bully2345 on December 22, 2021, 11:17:07 AM
Gerrard talking about fringe players needing to be called on and that the availability is changing day-by-day. Who knows what side we'll have out but I think the league are taking a harder stance on getting the game on if there are players available, particular considering Gerrard mentioned the Barrow game and players from that day being considered "first teamers".

The show must go on! 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on December 22, 2021, 11:20:20 AM
If teams get low on players the Managers and coaches should be made to put their boots on and play
That new rule should suit us more than most
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 22, 2021, 11:20:41 AM
The league may consider that if you are in the squad you can play.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 22, 2021, 11:33:51 AM
Ministers are meeting now in Downing Steet and are said to be considering three options.
These are thought to be Stilton, Wenslydale, and Brie.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2021, 11:51:51 AM
If teams get low on players the Managers and coaches should be made to put their boots on and play
That new rule should suit us more than most


I'm sure Gerrard and McAllister could still do a job.

Villa Seniors and U23's 2 Chelsea Seniors and U23's 1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 22, 2021, 11:53:33 AM
Can't we ask the Women's team to fill in?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2021, 12:03:28 PM
Can we actually field a team for this or will it be Liverpool in cup under 12s? I assume those who were out for Norwich will come back into contention at least.

I guess possibly announcing you only have to isolate for 7 days if yo provide negative test would help us field a decent team.

Chelsea don't want to play either so this is difficult one to call. We'll give them a game for sure if we can put out a competitive team.

1-1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 22, 2021, 12:14:21 PM
I think there will be great pressure to get this game played as it's the Boxing Day televised game.  If it's on and I hope it is I think we'll get the win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 22, 2021, 12:19:29 PM
Ministers are meeting now in Downing Steet and are said to be considering three options.
These are thought to be Stilton, Wenslydale, and Brie.
A I've been meaning to do a version of that joke with Red, White and Rose - though think I prefer yours
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 22, 2021, 02:36:36 PM
0-2 if it takes place at all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 22, 2021, 02:46:44 PM
Chelsea can do one.

We're winning this.

3-1 Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
Can't we ask the Women's team to fill in?

They're pretty crap, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2021, 03:52:14 PM
Like the way  he dealt with the knuckle-head question in his presser about how Villa players plan to spend their break at Christmas. "What fuckin' break are yer talking about, 'la ?!"
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on December 22, 2021, 05:27:42 PM
Gerrard talking about fringe players needing to be called on and that the availability is changing day-by-day. Who knows what side we'll have out but I think the league are taking a harder stance on getting the game on if there are players available, particular considering Gerrard mentioned the Barrow game and players from that day being considered "first teamers".

The show must go on! 

Yup, if the new rule is indeed 13 players and a goalie, made up from anyone who has "a first-team appearance", then our match-day squad could include both Chukwuemekas, Ramsey the younger, philogene-bidace, Archer, and Lindley as 7 of the 13, plus first-team players with very few appearances this season like Hause, Axel, Davis and Anwar.

And that's just first-team appearances THIS season, if they're going to include the FA Cup game with Liverpool from last season for players with first-team experience then we can probably add a few more "youth" players to the eligible list in Chrisene, Swinkels and Bogarde (think most others from that game are on loan or have left?).

Our starting 11 could look VERY strange indeed... we can only hope theirs is similarly weakened such that whatever side we put out is capable of making a game of it.

I hope it's all smoke and mirrors and we're missing two or three, but it's fundamentally a minimally rotated first-team that takes the pitch...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 23, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
Although it kind of shamefully exposes the way we see players as commodities, I liked what I saw on Twitter when the team v Norwich was announced. Something like…

“So it looks like it’s Steer, Sanson and El Ghazi with Covid.

I’ll take that.”
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2021, 12:01:42 PM
Ugh.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: wolfman999 on December 23, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
While on the subject of players availability, I read that following the injury that Traore picked up while on international duty and, after about three months of recovery, he is now fit again to go off and play in the ACON thus being again unavailable to us and risking further injury. Is there any actual benefit to us as a club signing such players and paying their no doubt generous wages if they never seem to turn out for us occasionally?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2021, 12:38:05 PM
While on the subject of players availability, I read that following the injury that Traore picked up while on international duty and, after about three months of recovery, he is now fit again to go off and play in the ACON thus being again unavailable to us and risking further injury. Is there any actual benefit to us as a club signing such players and paying their no doubt generous wages if they never seem to turn out for us occasionally?

Anyone know if Trez has been called up, that would be a bit of a p take given he hasn't even come on yet in any of the games and he's at least fresh from not playing for 8 months so would be useful if we have any sort of xmas period.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on December 23, 2021, 12:52:23 PM
While on the subject of players availability, I read that following the injury that Traore picked up while on international duty and, after about three months of recovery, he is now fit again to go off and play in the ACON thus being again unavailable to us and risking further injury. Is there any actual benefit to us as a club signing such players and paying their no doubt generous wages if they never seem to turn out for us occasionally?

There are lots of benefits to signing players who don't play international football.  But the obvious downside is that they're often not as good as the ones who do.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 23, 2021, 03:32:58 PM
Well I tested positive yesterday for the second time in 3 months, only a week or so after having my booster as well. Completely snookers xmas including going to the villa on boxing day. On the flip side, unlike the first time i had it and felt like a severe bout of flu, this just feels like a bit of man flu, compared to people getting proper ill its nothing. All a bit shit though.
Anyway, i think the TV money pressure means this game will happen and ill probably sell my soul and pay for a one day sky pass. I have limited sympathy with Tuchel when one of the players he’s on about bringing back for this game is Lukaku.
3-1 us (complete guess work here but Watkins(2), Ramsey).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2021, 03:40:10 PM
We could just get relegated to league two and this reduce the chance of having any of players represent their country.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 23, 2021, 04:20:42 PM
While on the subject of players availability, I read that following the injury that Traore picked up while on international duty and, after about three months of recovery, he is now fit again to go off and play in the ACON thus being again unavailable to us and risking further injury. Is there any actual benefit to us as a club signing such players and paying their no doubt generous wages if they never seem to turn out for us occasionally?

There are lots of benefits to signing players who don't play international football.  But the obvious downside is that they're often not as good as the ones who do.

"It is nearly an insoluble pancake, a conundrum of inscrutable potentialities, a snorter.”

― Flann O'Brien , The Third Policeman
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on December 23, 2021, 04:24:46 PM
Although it kind of shamefully exposes the way we see players as commodities, I liked what I saw on Twitter when the team v Norwich was announced. Something like…

“So it looks like it’s Steer, Sanson and El Ghazi with Covid.

I’ll take that.”

It's no different to any other injury really, players are off with injuries or illness a lot of the time and nobody bats an eyelid. I'd happily be thought of as a commodity for £100K a week quite honestly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2021, 04:26:46 PM
We could just get relegated to league two and this reduce the chance of having any of players represent their country.
Yes and we could also save money on buying shoes by chopping off our feet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: spangley1812 on December 23, 2021, 05:03:42 PM
While on the subject of players availability, I read that following the injury that Traore picked up while on international duty and, after about three months of recovery, he is now fit again to go off and play in the ACON thus being again unavailable to us and risking further injury. Is there any actual benefit to us as a club signing such players and paying their no doubt generous wages if they never seem to turn out for us occasionally?

Anyone know if Trez has been called up, that would be a bit of a p take given he hasn't even come on yet in any of the games and he's at least fresh from not playing for 8 months so would be useful if we have any sort of xmas period.

He was named in the preliminary squad yes
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on December 23, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
While on the subject of players availability, I read that following the injury that Traore picked up while on international duty and, after about three months of recovery, he is now fit again to go off and play in the ACON thus being again unavailable to us and risking further injury. Is there any actual benefit to us as a club signing such players and paying their no doubt generous wages if they never seem to turn out for us occasionally?

Anyone know if Trez has been called up, that would be a bit of a p take given he hasn't even come on yet in any of the games and he's at least fresh from not playing for 8 months so would be useful if we have any sort of xmas period.

He was named in the preliminary squad yes

I think people thought this might be a good thing if he got some useful game time
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on December 23, 2021, 06:23:15 PM
Ministers are meeting now in Downing Steet and are said to be considering three options.
These are thought to be Stilton, Wenslydale, and Brie.


Washed down with a nice Malbec....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 23, 2021, 07:08:06 PM
Situations like this just play into the hands of clubs like Chelski and Manchester citeh with massive squads and all-star subs-benches.
Reason #439 to fucking hate Manchester City.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on December 23, 2021, 11:20:17 PM
Situations like this just play into the hands of clubs like Chelski and Manchester citeh with massive squads and all-star subs-benches.
Reason #439 to fucking hate Manchester City.

Which is why they’re angling for 5 subs again
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2021, 04:53:09 AM
Situations like this just play into the hands of clubs like Chelski and Manchester citeh with massive squads and all-star subs-benches.
Reason #439 to fucking hate Manchester City.

Which is why they’re angling for 5 subs again
f course they bare because whatever happens they will put 11 superstars on the pitch and every one else will be relying on squad and youth.
I do have some sympathy with the over playing argument, but the players sign contracts with clubs who contract through the league with TV and advertisers.
So why don’t the players insist on limiting the number of games they are prepared to play in a calendar year ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on December 24, 2021, 06:33:35 AM
If the top players are worried about the games they are playing each season, they should consider joining a club like ours, we only play 40 games a season

38 in the league and 2 in the cup
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 24, 2021, 07:31:50 AM
It will be on (probably due to TV) and we will not beat them, you don't beat Chelsea two years in a row at Villa Park not these days
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 24, 2021, 08:17:45 AM
Although it kind of shamefully exposes the way we see players as commodities, I liked what I saw on Twitter when the team v Norwich was announced. Something like…

“So it looks like it’s Steer, Sanson and El Ghazi with Covid.

I’ll take that.”

It's no different to any other injury really, players are off with injuries or illness a lot of the time and nobody bats an eyelid. I'd happily be thought of as a commodity for £100K a week quite honestly.

Really? For a pay cut? 😉

To be honest, it's the players and agents that have turned themselves into a commodity. Instagram, image rights, sponsorship deals, the lot. If they just focused on playing bloody football, and doing some training, they'd be fine.

Fuck me, the amount of actual work they have to do for what they get for it is a bloody joke; and Henderson, holding out as he did for a fuck-off big contract can do one.

Klopp and Henderson feel they should have the right to perform at 100% all the time, it's never been like that. Players need to adjust to busy times xas we all do. The rest of the world of work out up with busy and quiet periods, and going to work not being in peak condition, they need to just get on with it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Baldy on December 24, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
The Premier League season is like running the Grand National.

Christmas is our Becher's Brook.

Just get over it.

Villa to beat Tuchers Moaning F*ckers 1-0.  :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Ads on December 24, 2021, 09:52:17 AM
Guessing the team based on social media optics;

Martinez has taken a picture of his nipper at BMH, so assume he's fine.

Pictures of Konsa, Cash and Targett training, so at least 3 of the back 4 appear fit and ready.

McGinn has been active on Twitter, but no guarantee he's fit.

Emi rolling around in his PJ's suggests he is too

Short of rummaging through bins or calling a restaurant to check the wine list, it looks impossible to gleam much more.

Those 6 being fit and available would be great.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on December 24, 2021, 09:53:52 AM
Where's eastie when you need him?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on December 24, 2021, 10:10:59 AM
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It will be on (probably due to TV) and we will not beat them, you don't beat Chelsea two years in a row at Villa Park not these days
Why not? Villa can beat anyone on a good day. Gerrard has instilled some confidence. I'm sure he will tell the team that they can't win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on December 24, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
{alt}
It will be on (probably due to TV) and we will not beat them, you don't beat Chelsea two years in a row at Villa Park not these days
Why not? Villa can beat anyone on a good day. Gerrard has instilled some confidence. I'm sure he will tell the team that they can't win.
Why would Gerrard tell them they can't win?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 25, 2021, 12:34:07 AM
Guessing the team based on social media optics;

Martinez has taken a picture of his nipper at BMH, so assume he's fine.

Pictures of Konsa, Cash and Targett training, so at least 3 of the back 4 appear fit and ready.

McGinn has been active on Twitter, but no guarantee he's fit.

Emi rolling around in his PJ's suggests he is too

Short of rummaging through bins or calling a restaurant to check the wine list, it looks impossible to gleam much more.

Those 6 being fit and available would be great.

Have to think El Ghazi, Sanson and Davis should be o.k by now if they just tested negative as they were all ruled out for Norwich.

You never know with the last two though, probably see both in May when recovered!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 25, 2021, 01:56:18 AM
Sanson is out (Quelle surprise, Morgan) according to the Beeb.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 25, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
After seeing photos of players with large groups today I’d be surprised if we didn’t have a couple of Covid dropouts
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 25, 2021, 06:19:28 PM
Gerrard out and misses Leeds as well - Covid.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 25, 2021, 06:23:22 PM
Over to you Gary Mac. Did ok last time
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 25, 2021, 06:27:35 PM
This still going ahead?  8)

Less than 24 hours to go  8)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 25, 2021, 06:28:56 PM
The game will go ahead  its on TV - can't see Leeds being on though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 25, 2021, 06:50:44 PM
The game will go ahead  its on TV - can't see Leeds being on though.

Leeds is on too  8)

On Amazon  8)

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 25, 2021, 07:04:47 PM
I’ve heard McGinn has Covid too. Hope it’s just a rumour.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Ads on December 25, 2021, 07:17:32 PM
I hope its called off.

We get fucked over again by this. Depleted squad and no manager for Chelsea. Then 2 days later we play without a manager again and we're up against a side who are rested.

Total fucking shite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 25, 2021, 07:25:02 PM
yep - fuck it off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 25, 2021, 07:28:25 PM
I can't even book my train for Leeds - need a decision.  Surely both games should be off but they won't be
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on December 25, 2021, 07:44:52 PM
Postpone this farce FFS!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Holte132 on December 25, 2021, 07:45:38 PM
I might be missing something obvious here, but what has changed to mean this game goes ahead and Burnley was postponed? After all, our youngsters would surely have been available for that game too?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: achilles on December 25, 2021, 07:45:54 PM
Again no consideration for the fans, everything revolves around money and how much the PL loses in reimbursing the TV companies!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 25, 2021, 07:46:34 PM
I might be missing something obvious here, but what has changed to mean this game goes ahead and Burnley was postponed? After all, our youngsters would surely have been available for that game too?

TV money?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on December 25, 2021, 08:00:49 PM
William Standing sent a text earlier to  let me know  this: I went to meet some punjabi villains for lunch today and walked  past Tyrone's two up two down dwelling in Ladywood and he could be seen through upstairs nets going through his paces so I am confident he will be ok. Stevie was right outside keeping an eye on proceedings from a safe distance.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on December 25, 2021, 08:07:06 PM
This still going ahead?  8)

Less than 24 hours to go  8)
Plenty of time left to call it off. Best just after Chelsea coaches arrive at B6.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on December 25, 2021, 08:39:27 PM
I might be missing something obvious here, but what has changed to mean this game goes ahead and Burnley was postponed? After all, our youngsters would surely have been available for that game too?

The new 7 day isolation rule as opposed to 10. Providing they are jabbed of course.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Holte132 on December 25, 2021, 08:42:05 PM
I might be missing something obvious here, but what has changed to mean this game goes ahead and Burnley was postponed? After all, our youngsters would surely have been available for that game too?

The new 7 day isolation rule as opposed to 10. Providing they are jabbed of course.

Yes, but why weren't our youngsters called on for the Burnley game?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 25, 2021, 08:44:03 PM
I might be missing something obvious here, but what has changed to mean this game goes ahead and Burnley was postponed? After all, our youngsters would surely have been available for that game too?

The new 7 day isolation rule as opposed to 10. Providing they are jabbed of course.

Yes, but why weren't our youngsters called on for the Burnley game?


Some of those affected for Burnley are okay now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on December 25, 2021, 08:52:01 PM
So what happens is - because it’s on Sky and we can’t have the nation not having some footy on a Boxing Day evening - we put out a scratch team with a few kids in and a bench from the U23’s / U18’s - play well but lose 2-1 to a near full strength Chelski - all the media say nice things about our academy and how Stevie G has got the club going in the right direction - but the bottom line - ie: that we get no points and could have these with a full team as we seek out a European place - gets conveniently glossed over.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 25, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
Sky won't care as long as Chelsea win. Martin Tyler will be telling us how grateful we should all be that Sky can bring us Prem League football in such hard times.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 25, 2021, 09:02:22 PM
I’ve heard McGinn has Covid too. Hope it’s just a rumour.

Be very unlucky if he has. He had it a few weeks ago
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 25, 2021, 09:55:57 PM
Rumour is Spurs Palace due to be called off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on December 25, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
Hopefully a decision is made before our journey starts from down south.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: luke95 on December 25, 2021, 10:16:32 PM
So what happens is - because it’s on Sky and we can’t have the nation not having some footy on a Boxing Day evening - we put out a scratch team with a few kids in and a bench from the U23’s / U18’s - play well but lose 2-1 to a near full strength Chelski - all the media say nice things about our academy and how Steven G has got the club going in the right direction - but the bottom line - ie: that we get no points and could have these with a full team as we seek out a European place - gets conveniently glossed over.

100% this is what will happen
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 25, 2021, 10:22:27 PM
Gerrard out and misses Leeds as well - Covid.

Has Leeds match not been cancelled yet? Seems a bit bizarre given Liverpool match was called off a few days ago.

I guess if he comes back with negative test he can make Brentford match on NYD so hopefully just the one match he isn't around for as we will miss his presence and energy on the touchline as you can see it gets extra 5-10% out of the players so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 25, 2021, 10:24:48 PM
I’ve heard McGinn has Covid too. Hope it’s just a rumour.

As brilliant as SJM has been recently I'd be disappointed in him if this was true.

I know his brother was playing in the cup final last Sunday but he didn't really have to go up to Glasgow to watch it. Also had covid a few months back (or was close contact) and had to miss Brentford match.

Our CM going to be pretty weak if he's out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 25, 2021, 10:46:06 PM
I might be missing something obvious here, but what has changed to mean this game goes ahead and Burnley was postponed? After all, our youngsters would surely have been available for that game too?
Think they ruled that 13 players have to be fit - think before that they could call it off for an outbreak
The new 7 day isolation rule as opposed to 10. Providing they are jabbed of course.

Yes, but why weren't our youngsters called on for the Burnley game?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 25, 2021, 10:53:54 PM

As brilliant as SJM has been recently I'd be disappointed in him if this was true.

I know his brother was playing in the cup final last Sunday but he didn't really have to go up to Glasgow to watch it. Also had covid a few months back (or was close contact) and had to miss Brentford match.

Our CM going to be pretty weak if he's out.
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I'm sure he'll struggle to sleep if he finds out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: mike on December 26, 2021, 12:13:40 AM

As brilliant as SJM has been recently I'd be disappointed in him if this was true.

I know his brother was playing in the cup final last Sunday but he didn't really have to go up to Glasgow to watch it. Also had covid a few months back (or was close contact) and had to miss Brentford match.

Our CM going to be pretty weak if he's out.

I'm sure he'll struggle to sleep if he finds out.
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I don’t think any of us think the players honestly give a fuck let alone struggle to sleep over what any one fan thinks. I’m not convinced the poster, who made an uncontroversial comment, has visions of SJM writing him a letter of apology.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2021, 01:14:26 AM
I think the Barrow game excuse to get a game on, then I'd playing 48 hours later against Leeds who will have had a long period of rest is plain wrong in every way. We're going to get twatted for sky dollar today, then right up against it against Leeds, all without our manager. Then Brentford. Premier league should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 26, 2021, 01:47:06 AM
Sky Sports.
Quote
Steven Gerrard will miss Aston Villa's next two Premier League games after testing positive for Covid-19, the club have announced.
The Villa head coach will not be in the dugout for the Boxing Day clash at home to Chelsea, (https://www.skysports.com/football/aston-villa-vs-chelsea/preview/446468) live on Sky Sports, or Tuesday's trip to Leeds.


The club said in a statement: "Aston Villa can confirm head coach Steven Gerrard will be unable to attend our next two Premier League matches with Chelsea and Leeds United as he will be isolating after testing positive for Covid-19."


...
One of the three games that have been postponed is Leeds' trip to Liverpool, (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12502823/liverpools-premier-league-game-with-leeds-and-wolves-vs-watford-on-boxing-day-postponed-due-to-covid-19-cases) because of a Covid outbreak at the Yorkshire club on top of their injury problems, meaning it is unclear if Villa's match at Elland Road on December 28 will go ahead anyway.




Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: andyh on December 26, 2021, 09:28:37 AM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on December 26, 2021, 09:44:04 AM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
The whole country is making up this sh1t up as they go along. It doesn't have to be right as long as they are seen to be doing something.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 26, 2021, 11:07:58 AM
Still on?  8)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 26, 2021, 11:08:27 AM
I guess if you're vaccinated, you're vaccinated.. So one pass should suffice?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2021, 11:19:32 AM
I presume its deffo going ahead then? After the last farce i would expect the club to be warning people to wait till 1pm before setting off if they can? Which they don't seem to be doing..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2021, 11:22:35 AM
Just wondering when is the last moment to call it off .
You would think that the tests are all back in by now, so if we get past 1 it’s on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2021, 11:27:24 AM
Yeah but I presume they do the normal tests this morning? What happens if they come back positive? Or you get a player feeling off with symptoms but not positive? Risk them? Phone up the PL so they can have a board meeting in an hour?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 26, 2021, 11:39:43 AM
Just wondering when is the last moment to call it off .
You would think that the tests are all back in by now, so if we get past 1 it’s on.
probably about 15:30 knowing the stupid Premier League
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: MalcolmP on December 26, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
It was stated from the outset that one form would cover the rest of the season so they are not making it up as they go along.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 26, 2021, 12:07:22 PM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
It was stated from the outset that one form would cover the rest of the season so they are not making it up as they go along.



That may be true, but it renders it a pointless waste of time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: MalcolmP on December 26, 2021, 12:12:00 PM
Don
Rumour is Spurs Palace due to be called off.
Don't listen to rumours - it's ON
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2021, 12:14:08 PM
Don
Rumour is Spurs Palace due to be called off.
Don't listen to rumours - it's ON

Spurs are waiting for clarification from the Premier League apparently.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: andyh on December 26, 2021, 12:14:29 PM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
It was stated from the outset that one form would cover the rest of the season so they are not making it up as they go along.


No it didn’t.

It was going to be match by match, but they were working to ‘try’ and come up with a solution that meant all games would be covered by a single declaration.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2021, 12:16:51 PM
The FA have rejected Crystal Palace's request for postponement.  Will take something really dramatic to get the Villa game off at this point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on December 26, 2021, 12:32:37 PM
More likely BT wouldn't let them…
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Ads on December 26, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Martinez

Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett

Dougie
McGinn
Ramsey

Young
Buendia
Watkins

Probably our strongest team based on fitness, illness or isolation more accurately not withstanding.

No reports of further positives since last Saturday beyond Gerrard himself. He says a few who were not available should now be available. I suspect those who are not haven't been double jabbed and therefore cannot adopt use of 7 day isolation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2021, 12:48:07 PM
About as strong as we could hope for. Still going for 2-0 unless Chelsea suddenly have a full team to pick from
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on December 26, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
Just wondering when is the last moment to call it off .
You would think that the tests are all back in by now, so if we get past 1 it’s on.
Last week we had the test results in the morning and the game was called off by 1pm. So going by that I'd say that if it's still  on at 1 o'clock it's safe to assume it's going ahead.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 26, 2021, 12:52:35 PM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
It was stated from the outset that one form would cover the rest of the season so they are not making it up as they go along.


No it didn’t.

It was going to be match by match, but they were working to ‘try’ and come up with a solution that meant all games would be covered by a single declaration.


Have you tried emailing them to ask if you can do another one?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: andyh on December 26, 2021, 12:56:56 PM
So no covid declaration forms required for season ticket holders according to the club website. The one filled in for Burnley, the one one that was supposed to be match by match, is now a cover all for ST holders and covers the whole season.
Someone is making this shit up as they go along.
It was stated from the outset that one form would cover the rest of the season so they are not making it up as they go along.


No it didn’t.

It was going to be match by match, but they were working to ‘try’ and come up with a solution that meant all games would be covered by a single declaration.


Have you tried emailing them to ask if you can do another one?

Yes, no response
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on December 26, 2021, 01:29:53 PM
Just got a text message from AVFC Saying not to travel if you have Covid symptoms and spot checks stuff

So I’m presuming it’s definitely on
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: four fornicholl on December 26, 2021, 01:33:43 PM
Leeds off
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 26, 2021, 01:34:28 PM
Michelle Owen supposed to be covering the Hull game for Sky, she's just got there  and tweeted the game is suddenly off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 26, 2021, 01:37:56 PM
Just wondering when is the last moment to call it off .
You would think that the tests are all back in by now, so if we get past 1 it’s on.
Last week we had the test results in the morning and the game was called off by 1pm. So going by that I'd say that if it's still  on at 1 o'clock it's safe to assume it's going ahead.
Yes I think you are right amazingly
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 26, 2021, 01:42:17 PM
Just got a text message from AVFC Saying not to travel if you have Covid symptoms and spot checks stuff

So I’m presuming it’s definitely on

That happened before the Burnley game was called off. I got one about an hour before the announcement.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2021, 02:34:00 PM
Michelle Owen supposed to be covering the Hull game for Sky, she's just got there  and tweeted the game is suddenly off.

Poor Mich. She's been to 'ull and back, this Christmas.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 26, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
the Villa game is on Sky Showcase (channel 106 on Sky) today
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2021, 02:40:07 PM
Leeds off

Nothing new there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on December 26, 2021, 03:10:20 PM
Just got a text message from AVFC Saying not to travel if you have Covid symptoms and spot checks stuff

So I’m presuming it’s definitely on


I had that message last week and it was still called off
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on December 26, 2021, 03:13:38 PM
If anyone is in the vicinity of Perry Barr, Asda are giving away free veg. Carrots, sprouts, cauliflower
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2021, 03:16:52 PM
In my cheese-dream last night, a Covid-hit Chelsea won 1-0 in the 96th minute from a player I'd never heard of.

We were half a first-team and a bunch of youth
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 26, 2021, 03:19:20 PM
Still on?  8)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2021, 03:53:33 PM
If anyone is in the vicinity of Perry Barr, Asda are giving away free veg. Carrots, sprouts, cauliflower


I thought our recent performances have been quite promising.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 26, 2021, 04:00:25 PM
Sanson is probably still missing. He’s got the plague.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 26, 2021, 04:01:04 PM
If anyone is in the vicinity of Perry Barr….

I feel sorry for you.


😁
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 26, 2021, 04:01:54 PM
On the pitch walkaround  I could only see young and mcginn missing (although young might of been covered up.

Sanson and Traore in the group

No ides of the team mind
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
On the pitch walkaround  I could only see young and mcginn missing (although young might of been covered up.

Sanson and Traore in the group

No ides of the team mind

Martinez missing as well according to Twitter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 26, 2021, 04:07:30 PM


Sanson and Traore in the group



Who is this Traore?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 26, 2021, 04:08:40 PM
On the pitch walkaround  I could only see young and mcginn missing (although young might of been covered up.

Sanson and Traore in the group

No ides of the team mind

Martinez missing as well according to Twitter.

The same Martinez that had 30 people at his house for Xmas.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2021, 04:09:19 PM
Got feeling El Ghazi will start on the left.

Pack rest of side with midfielders as can't be leaving CM area wide open v this lot as that's asking for trouble and Gerrard been very smart with that so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 26, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
Both Emis our??
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 26, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
Both Emis our??

Source.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 26, 2021, 04:14:53 PM
On the pitch walkaround  I could only see young and mcginn missing (although young might of been covered up.

Sanson and Traore in the group

No ides of the team mind

Martinez missing as well according to Twitter.

The same Martinez that had 30 people at his house for Xmas.
Don’t be daft. The club will have said stay safe.  Or a big fine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on December 26, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
Any news on postponement? Kids finishing off their McDs at Star City so it will save us a walk if we knew😄
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2021, 04:20:04 PM
Any news on postponement? Kids finishing off their McDs at Star City so it will save us a walk if we knew😄

Eating at McDs and still looking for nuggets. :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 26, 2021, 04:22:43 PM


Martinez is there, don't know where these daft rumours come from
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 26, 2021, 04:25:48 PM
Both Emis our??

Source.
Literally just Ashley preece watching the pre match walk

ASHLEY PREECE
Pre-match walk

Matty Cash, Matt Targett, Danny Ings, Morgan Sanson, Jed Steer, Jacob Ramsey, Trezeguet, Douglas Luiz, Tyrone Mings, Filip Marschall and Ezri Konsa are out on their pre-match walk.

Carney Chukwuemeka, Axel Tuanzebe, Anwar El Ghazi, Jaden Philogene-Bidace, Keinan Davis, Cameron Archer, Tim Iroegbunam, Ollie Watkins, Bertrand Traore and Viljami Sinisalo are the next group out for a stroll.

First-team coaches Michael Beale, Aaron Danks, Tom Culshaw, Neil Cutler and Gary McAllister closely follow behind.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 26, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
Ffs mcginns out
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 26, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Let’s hope we don’t need anything from that bench
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2021, 04:34:54 PM
All things considered that’s not too bad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on December 26, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
I will say this now. I don't like Watkins and ings starting together. I would rather have JPB starting wide with ollie up the middle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Chelsea - Pre Match Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 26, 2021, 04:43:56 PM
I will say this now. I don't like Watkins and ings starting together. I would rather have JPB starting wide with ollie up the middle.
Agreed both seem worse when the other is in the pitch
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