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Title: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2021, 06:26:53 PM
Not the best first half but fuck me we fought hard. This is a superb victory against a good opponent. 3 wins out of 4 for Gerrard with one loss vs arguably the best side in the country is a hell of a return for the new manager. Every player did their bit. Special consideration for the centre backs. Brilliant team win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 05, 2021, 06:28:59 PM
Get in. Particularly sweet against that horrible lot.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on December 05, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on December 05, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
Excellent second half. Great win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: wince on December 05, 2021, 06:29:20 PM
Fantastic. We looked so much nastier. Stee vegees claret and blue army
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
Really good win that.

Leicester were threatening to overwhelm us end of first halves with all the attacks down the right but Gerrard sorted it out at half time and they barely threatened in second bar the header Emi tipped over. We could've scored another couple.

In top half aren't we now and with Burnley and Norwich (and Liverpool) to come the season feels mildly interesting again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
Lovely.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Bad English on December 05, 2021, 06:31:02 PM
Stee vegee
No.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 05, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
Fucking brilliant! Very impressed with us generally under Gerrard. Whatever he said at half time did the trick, and he makes sensible subs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: four fornicholl on December 05, 2021, 06:31:12 PM
Young 10, Mings 10, the rest 9.5 !!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Scovilla on December 05, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Lovely.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 05, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

As soon as I was old enough, I got out and have never lived there since. Hate the football team as much as I dislike Liverpool and Blues.

Well done Villa. Buendia starting to impress me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Bad English on December 05, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Get the fuck in! Up the Villa! Great game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 05, 2021, 06:32:17 PM
Villa are magic.

Which is just as well, when you have to contend with the weird VAR voodoo.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 05, 2021, 06:32:26 PM
Expected the win and got it. Well done Villa boys especially Konsa!
On the disallowed goal an amateur f-ck up in a professional sport...embarrassing!
UTV!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on December 05, 2021, 06:32:39 PM
Special mention to Buendia from my opinion - I think he’s really starting to grow now. Does a few duff passes every now and then, but he’s starting to settle
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: jimmygreen on December 05, 2021, 06:33:00 PM
Delicious. Dug in. Great win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Grocer on December 05, 2021, 06:33:28 PM
Much better second half, helped by some tactical changes. Cash much tighter on Barnes. Lots of good performances for me but Nakamba stood out. Ramsey good first half, Mings great second half. UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 06:33:29 PM
Big critic of Nakamba but he was class today. Not just tidying up loose balls but was secure with his passing.

Ramsey was fantastic and really playing like he belongs at this level.

Like Carney's cameo aswell. Need to sort that deal out.

Did McGinn get booked at the end? Out of Liverpool if he did.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 05, 2021, 06:33:43 PM
Brilliant win. We weren't at the races until we scored and from then on I think we we're brilliant . Buendias best performance. Just a really really good win. The effort, desire, it was just everything about us today. Ps Schmeichel is an absolute shithouse.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: wince on December 05, 2021, 06:34:11 PM
Stee vegee
No.
You are in France so just try and stop me :D
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: bilsim on December 05, 2021, 06:34:24 PM
We'll play better and lose, really thought that we would be regretting the amount of chances spurned but the grit and focus was exceptional. Special shout out to Tyrone, when he plays like he did today he's an absolute beast.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 06:34:51 PM
Great Result, gets us up to 19 points ahead of (my) Schedule. Performance less so, still need that Midfielder in Jan. Konsa, Emi  and Nakamba were great.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Left Side on December 05, 2021, 06:35:11 PM
Love the way Chukewamake keeps the ball, apologies for the spelling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: DrGonzo on December 05, 2021, 06:35:18 PM
The disallowed goal and Nakamba's booking aside I only swore twice in 90 minutes.  That's a hell of a return.  Really impressed by Marvellous again, he's not going anywhere.  Missed a couple of sitters and our passing around their 18 yard box left a lot to be desired at times, we seem to lack some composure.  9 from 12 and moving in the right direction in every sense.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 05, 2021, 06:35:25 PM
Good second half performance. Happy Sunday evening all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SaddVillan on December 05, 2021, 06:36:51 PM
3 points secured, despite the best efforts of Michael Oliver, a foul count of 8-25 and only one booking for them.

More game time for Carney and Sanson is a positive.

Once again, Gerrard did the job at half time.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: postal on December 05, 2021, 06:37:12 PM
When they summed it up on 5Live, one of them said "if villa hadn't scored a 2nd goal it could have been different"

So either biased, or just needed to say the bleeding obvious.

But another 3 points
 UTV!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 05, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
Midfield as a whole did well, but Nakamba was majestic l
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: paul_e on December 05, 2021, 06:40:00 PM
Big critic of Nakamba but he was class today. Not just tidying up loose balls but was secure with his passing.

Ramsey was fantastic and really playing like he belongs at this level.

Like Carney's cameo aswell. Need to sort that deal out.

Did McGinn get booked at the end? Out of Liverpool if he did.

Nope, Nakamba was our only booking and, for some bizarre reason, Maddison was the only one for them despite them commiting 25 fouls. It's things like that which encourage managers to setup a rotating foul system to break up play. It's pretty sad that we have supposedly professional referees who don't seem to have any idea that it's happening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on December 05, 2021, 06:40:37 PM
0-1s into wins are rare as rocking horse shit as far as Villa are concerned, so that makes this all the more special. They were all over us for the first 40mins or so but the end of the first and pretty much the whole of the second we were well on top, and deserved the win. Should really have scored more as well.

Everyone played well, but special shout out to Young. Rolling back the years.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: BC Villain on December 05, 2021, 06:41:07 PM
Poor first half.  Superb second half.

Lovely meltdowns from the Crisp munchers.

Awful just awful. Nacho needs to start. Rodgers lost the plot. Time to **** off

Brendan Rodgers couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery

To lose to Villa is absolutely dogshite not good enough.

Just really getting bored of how weak we are at set pieces it's so obvious, hurts even more because villa really aren't even good this season losing grealish and barkley has turned them into a shitter version of burnley.

Wow we’ve just been had off by a team managed by Steven Gerrard. Could be me done this. Might just go and support Coalville.

What an absolutely terrible 2nd half. Villa are shit as well.


Despise Villa. Cheating scum every time they play us constantly diving, and we fall for it every time. We need to be a lot more cunning and ruthless against this mob, they will cheat constantly so you have to get right on the refs case immediately or they will give them everything



Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 05, 2021, 06:41:40 PM
Young 10, Mings 10, the rest 9.5 !!!

Actually thought Youngs and Ming were quite sloppy first half - but absolutely spot on second half, both superb. Nakamba MOM for me though. Thought he was just absolutely brilliant at doing what he does.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: villadelph on December 05, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
Justice served.

Loved the energy and drive. We came out like a team possessed in the 2nd half. Thought the midfield was incredible, and as one of Nakamba’s biggest critics I must say.. he was immense. We could’ve won that 4-1.

Great way to finish a weekend - UTV!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 05, 2021, 06:45:54 PM
Think I might just watch 2nd halves from now on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 05, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
When they summed it up on 5Live, one of them said "if villa hadn't scored a 2nd goal it could have been different"

So either biased, or just needed to say the bleeding obvious.

But another  points
 UTV!!!

What a daft comment. You could say that about any game ever that finishes 2-1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 05, 2021, 06:46:49 PM
Really impressive.  Thought the defence looked good particularly in the second half. The has the midfield working much better - like the way the midfielders support the full backs rather than the forwards.

Think marv was great again as was Ramsey.  emi2 is starting to find his feet. Thought Chuck looked good when he came on.

What’s exciting is you can still see there is more to come - so many time’s you can see what they were trying to do but not quite there yet.

Considering we have Ings Bailey Marty and Bert still out. 

Would like maybe a bit more cover at fullback and then maybe 1 real quality player to play as one of  the 10s

Wasn’t impressed when we appointed him but His really starting to win me over
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 05, 2021, 06:50:03 PM
I love Ashley Young bringing the shithousery to the side
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 05, 2021, 06:51:04 PM
Me too ..I'm fucking buzzing
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2021, 06:52:19 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/32461/12484575/aston-villa-vs-leicester-city-live-highlights
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 05, 2021, 06:52:38 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

Same for me Chris. I was sat next to Brendan Rodgers’ son today, he didn’t look very happy by the end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: steamer on December 05, 2021, 06:54:27 PM
They have deluded twats who believe that shit ?
Great second half, could have had two more. sure the board will back the manager in Jan if he needs new recruits.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 06:55:59 PM
Villa 1 Leicester + the officials 0
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 05, 2021, 07:00:38 PM
Nakamba was excellent. I said to my neighbour back in August that
Marv is a better player than Luis and I stand by it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Villa Lew on December 05, 2021, 07:01:26 PM
Great stuff Villa and both goals from Ezri, never thought I'd be posting that. Bring on Liverpool!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 05, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
I was convinced we were going to chuck it away after spurning so many chances 2nd half, but it was a great professional performance. Steptoe didn’t get a sniff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 07:04:13 PM
The disallowed goal and Nakamba's booking aside I only swore twice in 90 minutes.  That's a hell of a return.  Really impressed by Marvellous again, he's not going anywhere.  Missed a couple of sitters and our passing around their 18 yard box left a lot to be desired at times, we seem to lack some composure.  9 from 12 and moving in the right direction in every sense.

Impressed you kept language in check when Ollie didn't square to Cash for a relative tap in!

Probably helped us scoring 30 seconds later.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Breezeblock on December 05, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
Marv was immense. Shades of Stan Petrov. World class save from Emi Martinez. Buendia gives the ball away far too much for my liking. Awesome work from Ollie, SJM & JJ. Wonderful way to round the weekend off 😄
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 07:05:43 PM
Big critic of Nakamba but he was class today. Not just tidying up loose balls but was secure with his passing.

Ramsey was fantastic and really playing like he belongs at this level.

Like Carney's cameo aswell. Need to sort that deal out.

Did McGinn get booked at the end? Out of Liverpool if he did.

Nope, Nakamba was our only booking and, for some bizarre reason, Maddison was the only one for them despite them commiting 25 fouls. It's things like that which encourage managers to setup a rotating foul system to break up play. It's pretty sad that we have supposedly professional referees who don't seem to have any idea that it's happening.

Yeah had to double check when I saw Leicester only had one booking. Evans is my type of CB but he was clattering into Ollie and others all game and Dewsbury-Ball or whatever he's called completely wiped out Buendia in one attack we had second half.

Nakamba by comparison tickled someone and got booked.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2021, 07:06:31 PM
Awesome second half.  To a man.
Looking forward to Saturday. 
Do some pubs show 3pm KOs ? Will be in Newquay. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 07:07:52 PM
Nakamba was excellent. I said to my neighbour back in August that
Marv is a better player than Luis and I stand by it.

Not sure I'd go that far yet although thought Doug was pretty poor and worst of all the midfielders we had out today.

Begs the question though of why we haven't seen more of Nakamba-Doug-McGinn as midfield trio over last two years as it's reasonably balanced.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: villadelph on December 05, 2021, 07:08:35 PM
hurts even more because villa really aren't even good this season losing grealish and barkley has turned them into a better version of burnley.

ahhh, hahaha! what a bunch of sad deluded donuts.

We are Burnley..? You wracked up 25 fouls and forced two saves.


Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on December 05, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
Marvellous has been a revelation since Gerrard became the manager. Like Targett last season, he’s playing at totally a different level now. From being 2nd fiddle to Douggie, he’s now taken that position and made it his own.

Buendia is settling. I’m not sure if it’s because he’s playing in a system that suits him better, or if the team are developing a knowledge of how he plays. Maybe a bit of both.

Watkins workrate is phenomenal. At the end there, he was one of the players at the back and made an important clearance.

Mings and Konsa are playing like they did last season again.

McGinn… no idea what’s happened to him, but Gerard’s tutorship is turning him to the next level.

JJ - starting to really develop into a top class player. I love his movement, his ball holding and his skill. Reminds me of someone else at times….

Chucky… you could see he had a bit more confidence today. Some excellent movement, passes, interceptions.

I could go through the entire team. We are a work in progress - but - this is very different to where we were in October. We’re clicking, we’re starting to purr. Keep this up and we’ll be regretting our performances earlier on the season, but only because this squad - as we’re starting to see now - is capable of much much more than it was at that time.

Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 05, 2021, 07:09:48 PM
Cash improved second half - Barnes was hammering him first half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2021, 07:10:53 PM
Great result.  No5 that it matters now, but according to the laws of the game, the disallowed goal should have stood shouldn’t it?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on December 05, 2021, 07:16:04 PM
Great result.  No5 that it matters now, but according to the laws of the game, the disallowed goal should have stood shouldn’t it?

Yep that should have stood but it seems no one knows that ruling about the rebound or save?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 05, 2021, 07:18:46 PM
I’ve got no complaints aside from Dougie first half, he’d been excellent 2nd half against Man City too. He did pick up second half in this one as well. I thought everyone else ranged from half decent to outstanding with Marv MOTM. I’m optimistically thinking Gerrard and his team are the real stars of the show now though.

Schmeichel is a ****** isn’t he?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: saint13 on December 05, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
Excellent 2nd half after a very poor 1st half.

Marvellous, McGinn & Ollie were superb. I thought Luiz was poor and needs replacing in January. Sanson looked smooth when he came on and there may just be a player there.

Cash was extremely wasteful & on another day we could have regretted not finishing off one of the many good situations we had 2nd half. Loved the managers interview afterwards.

Oh yes & the goal has to stand & Schiemechel is a twat!

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 07:19:58 PM
A good Leicester side, a shit ref and VAR in a bad mood. We had it all to contend with but we still came away with 3 points! Great stuff Villa!!

My mentions would go to Dougie and SJM, but they were all brilliant TBH. UTV!!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 05, 2021, 07:22:01 PM
The problem with VAR (well, one of the problems) is that when the ref is called over to the monitor, they are shown one angle at ultra slowed down speed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on December 05, 2021, 07:26:18 PM
The problem with VAR (well, one of the problems) is that when the ref is called over to the monitor, they are shown one angle at ultra slowed down speed.

Well in this case they didn't need the ref to look at the monitor just read the rules.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2021, 07:27:57 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

Same for me Chris. I was sat next to Brendan Rodgers’ son today, he didn’t look very happy by the end.

A quick glance at a Leicester forum, and they almost unanimously want him out.

Brendan, obviously. I imagine they don't have strong opinions on his son.

I'm not really a "know your place in the pyramid" type, but that seems a little unreasonable to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 05, 2021, 07:31:03 PM
Really entertaining game. Good performance against a decent side. Obviously they’ll have spells of possession but they rarely threatened our keeper. McGinn was fantastic today. That one pass to play Ollie in really deserved to have a goal to finish it off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 05, 2021, 07:32:29 PM
If we hadn't scored a second goal, it would have been 1-1, aren't I clever,as for Ashley Young,love it giving loads something we been missing for many years
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 05, 2021, 07:33:17 PM
If we hadn't scored a second goal, it would have been 1-1, aren't I clever,as for Ashley Young,love it giving loads something we been missing for many years
Agreed - every club needs a wanker in the team giving it the big un.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 07:33:39 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

Same for me Chris. I was sat next to Brendan Rodgers’ son today, he didn’t look very happy by the end.

A quick glance at a Leicester forum, and they almost unanimously want him out.

Brendan, obviously. I imagine they don't have strong opinions on his son.

I'm not really a "know your place in the pyramid" type, but that seems a little unreasonable to me.

Seems a bit harsh to me too as Leicester looked a pretty good side to me today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 05, 2021, 07:33:42 PM
Yeah SJM was superb. That instance in the 2nd half when he hassled Ndidi into losing possession, only for Oliver to be fooled by Ndidi's theatrical fall, was brilliant.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Ger Regan on December 05, 2021, 07:34:43 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

Same for me Chris. I was sat next to Brendan Rodgers’ son today, he didn’t look very happy by the end.

A quick glance at a Leicester forum, and they almost unanimously want him out.

Brendan, obviously. I imagine they don't have strong opinions on his son.

I'm not really a "know your place in the pyramid" type, but that seems a little unreasonable to me.
Pretty sure they were of a similar mind after we beat them at their place last season. I guess they've had poor finishes to the last couple of seasons, so maybe not that surprising.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: dave shelley on December 05, 2021, 07:34:58 PM
Great result, seems the players are buying into Gerrard's methods in a big way.  Keep it up lads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 05, 2021, 07:35:33 PM
That disallowed goal worked a treat.It fired up the crowd with some excellent Schmeichel shithousery.As good as the Everton match for atmosphere .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 05, 2021, 07:35:49 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

Same for me Chris. I was sat next to Brendan Rodgers’ son today, he didn’t look very happy by the end.

A quick glance at a Leicester forum, and they almost unanimously want him out.

Brendan, obviously. I imagine they don't have strong opinions on his son.

I'm not really a "know your place in the pyramid" type, but that seems a little unreasonable to me.

I have no doubt they do. They wanted Ranieri out 6 months after he managed them to the biggest Sporting achievement of my lifetime.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 05, 2021, 07:37:48 PM
Mings fully in control of Schmeichel there.

(https://i.ibb.co/wd7bgYP/E030-A0-FE-EC8-A-4835-8-A0-F-A7-B57-FD4-B28-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wd7bgYP)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 07:39:54 PM
Living in Leicestershire, surrounded by Leicester fans… this makes me very happy

Same for me Chris. I was sat next to Brendan Rodgers’ son today, he didn’t look very happy by the end.

A quick glance at a Leicester forum, and they almost unanimously want him out.

Brendan, obviously. I imagine they don't have strong opinions on his son.

I'm not really a "know your place in the pyramid" type, but that seems a little unreasonable to me.

I have no doubt they do. They wanted Ranieri out 6 months after he managed them to the biggest Sporting achievement of my lifetime.

Sugarbags
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
The problem with VAR (well, one of the problems) is that when the ref is called over to the monitor, they are shown one angle at ultra slowed down speed.

Well in this case they didn't need the ref to look at the monitor just read the rules.

Yep, pretty astounded that obviously neither of them knew the rules.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 05, 2021, 07:42:07 PM
Mings fully in control of Schmeichel there.

(https://i.ibb.co/wd7bgYP/E030-A0-FE-EC8-A-4835-8-A0-F-A7-B57-FD4-B28-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wd7bgYP)


I was worried they were going to VAR that
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Smithy on December 05, 2021, 07:42:36 PM
The problem with VAR (well, one of the problems) is that when the ref is called over to the monitor, they are shown one angle at ultra slowed down speed.

Well in this case they didn't need the ref to look at the monitor just read the rules.

I predict this will be the second time in a year that the rules will be “clarified” after a big VAR decision goes against us.

Clearly the rule isn’t designed to let the keeper claim he had control of the ball in the act of making a save. I’m actually interested to know if they address it publicly, or a quiet clarification will go out in the next week because we won and it’s not a big deal…
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SaddVillan on December 05, 2021, 07:47:17 PM
I see the fraud in a waistcoat was at the game.

Merely to confirm his opinion that Ezri is one of the worst English centre halfs in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 05, 2021, 07:48:03 PM
There’s control and there’s a tenth of a second with the ball under your palm. It’s bollocks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 05, 2021, 07:49:00 PM
There’s control and there’s a tenth of a second with the ball under your palm. It’s bollocks.
If Schmichael had that under control then Ramsey wouldn't have been able to get a shot away
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: nick harper on December 05, 2021, 07:49:05 PM
That disallowed goal worked a treat.It fired up the crowd with some excellent Schmeichel shithousery.As good as the Everton match for atmosphere .

It was interesting being there as they showed the incident on the screen which I don’t think they are supposed to do, so it had the effect of firing up the crowd more than it otherwise would have I think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 05, 2021, 07:50:06 PM
I’ve got no complaints aside from Dougie first half, he’d been excellent 2nd half against Man City too. He did pick up second half in this one as well. I thought everyone else ranged from half decent to outstanding with Marv MOTM. I’m optimistically thinking Gerrard and his team are the real stars of the show now though.

Schmeichel is a ****** isn’t he?

Not really. Seen him interviewed several times and seems like a decent and thoughtful chap. I’m all for the pantomime booing though, clean fun!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 05, 2021, 07:50:41 PM
‘AVFC Aston Villa are Magic.  We all agree Leicester City are tragic, are tragic, are tragic.’
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: frank black on December 05, 2021, 08:00:53 PM
The problem with VAR (well, one of the problems) is that when the ref is called over to the monitor, they are shown one angle at ultra slowed down speed.

Biggest issue I have with VAR now is that it’s  purely shown to the armchair viewers. They get to see the instant replays and actually realise what is being discussed. We on the other hand have to stand there like melons wondering what the hell is going on. Actual spectators are 2nd class citizens.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Nelly on December 05, 2021, 08:01:22 PM
9 points from Palace, Brighton, Man City and Leicester is some going, especially considering how poor we were prior to that. I thought Nakamba was exceptional today. In games gone by, I always thought his touch was a little heavy and he could be a bit clumsy with his challenges, but of late his passing is crisp, accurate and well-weighted. Whatever they're feeding him now, feed him more. I thought he was Man of the Match for us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: dave shelley on December 05, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
I’ve got no complaints aside from Dougie first half, he’d been excellent 2nd half against Man City too. He did pick up second half in this one as well. I thought everyone else ranged from half decent to outstanding with Marv MOTM. I’m optimistically thinking Gerrard and his team are the real stars of the show now though.

Schmeichel is a ****** isn’t he?

Not really. Seen him interviewed several times and seems like a decent and thoughtful chap. I’m all for the pantomime booing though, clean fun!

I thought he gave a decent interview afterwards, told it from his POV as he would. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Moonraker on December 05, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
Seems to be a trend of great second halves. Think Gerrard and co work out the opponents first half, change things around at half time then Whammo!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 05, 2021, 08:12:36 PM
That was something else wasn't it? A great win.

Thought we started really sloppily and were giving the ball away too easily. Fortunate to only concede one before the break and thought the crowd were a bit flat first half.

Then we have a goal disallowed with Schmeichel the ham actor staying down like he'd been hit by a train and boom, the team and the fans ignited.

Great pantomime booing of Schmeichel which seemed to get to him. He took as long as he could away from his goal at the start of the second half because he knew what was coming. His kicking was off and the fans energy was a major factor in that second half.

Thought McGinn was sensational as was Nakamba. Great double from Konsa. It's good to see our defenders getting amongst the goals.

Our most satisfying win this season bar Manchester Utd. Just a great fighting performance.

Fantastic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 05, 2021, 08:13:16 PM
I’ve got no complaints aside from Dougie first half, he’d been excellent 2nd half against Man City too. He did pick up second half in this one as well. I thought everyone else ranged from half decent to outstanding with Marv MOTM. I’m optimistically thinking Gerrard and his team are the real stars of the show now though.

Schmeichel is a ****** isn’t he?

Not really. Seen him interviewed several times and seems like a decent and thoughtful chap. I’m all for the pantomime booing though, clean fun!

I thought he gave a decent interview afterwards, told it from his POV as he would. 

Did he mention how he miraculously recovered from a broken hand about 2 seconds after the VAR intervention?

Or how Ramsey’s foot never actually made contact with that broken hand?



Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 05, 2021, 08:14:49 PM
It explains his terrible kicking in the second half. He was still in agony from the near fatal injuries Ramsey had inflicted.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Villan82 on December 05, 2021, 08:16:40 PM
Great performance and a fantastic win against Leicester. We are going very nicely.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 05, 2021, 08:19:56 PM
That was something else wasn't it? A great win.

Thought we started really sloppily and were giving the ball away too easily. Fortunate to only concede one before the break and thought the crowd were a bit flat first half.

Then we have a goal disallowed with Schmeichel the ham actor staying down like he'd been hit by a train and boom, the team and the fans ignited.

Great pantomime booing of Schmeichel which seemed to get to him. He took as long as he could away from his goal at the start of the second half because he knew what was coming. His kicking was off and the fans energy was a major factor in that second half.

Thought McGinn was sensational as was Nakamba. Great double from Konsa. It's good to see our defenders getting amongst the goals.

Our most satisfying win this season bar Manchester Utd. Just a great fighting performance.

Fantastic.

This sums up everything i was going to say. The whole Smeichal thing got everyone going, great fun.
McGinn, was just unbelievably good today, my MoM by a mile.
It just felt a really battling and important win. Gwon the lads!!! 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 05, 2021, 08:26:45 PM
That was something else wasn't it? A great win.

Thought we started really sloppily and were giving the ball away too easily. Fortunate to only concede one before the break and thought the crowd were a bit flat first half.

Then we have a goal disallowed with Schmeichel the ham actor staying down like he'd been hit by a train and boom, the team and the fans ignited.

Great pantomime booing of Schmeichel which seemed to get to him. He took as long as he could away from his goal at the start of the second half because he knew what was coming. His kicking was off and the fans energy was a major factor in that second half.

Thought McGinn was sensational as was Nakamba. Great double from Konsa. It's good to see our defenders getting amongst the goals.

Our most satisfying win this season bar Manchester Utd. Just a great fighting performance.

Fantastic.

This sums up everything i was going to say. The whole Smeichal thing got everyone going, great fun.
McGinn, was just unbelievably good today, my MoM by a mile.
It just felt a really battling and important win. Gwon the lads!!!

Its funny I felt the same after the disallowed goal.
I had no doubt that we'd be better as for a start the boss would get into the side and that incident just lifted us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 08:27:11 PM
It explains his terrible kicking in the second half. He was still in agony from the near fatal injuries Ramsey had inflicted.

The "Wooooooaaahhh you fat bastard!!!!" Whenever he took a kick was one of the many things I enjoyed about the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 05, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
It explains his terrible kicking in the second half. He was still in agony from the near fatal injuries Ramsey had inflicted.

The "Wooooooaaahhh you fat bastard!!!!" Whenever he took a kick was one of the many things I enjoyed about the 2nd half.

By me it was “Wooooooooaaaahhhh you CHEATING bastard “
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 05, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
The midfield was tremendous again today especially Nakamba who has seemed a completely different player over the last month.

Something which has been noticeable over the last two games is the tactic of rotational fouling to break up play and maybe a reinterpretation of the laws is required because it is so obviously being used by some teams to gain advantage.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
Good display. Once we got a grip on Barnes we weren't unduly troubled (Martinez worldy aside). Cash grew into the game defensively. Always an outlet forward though by his standards his delivery today wasn't at best.

Ezri and Mings were very good. The fullbacks improved as things went on. Ash was surprisingly sloppy on occasion, but otherwise atypically cool headed and he really doesn't play like he's 36. Top nick the lad.

The midfield did very well today. Luiz and Beundia can try and force it through the eye of the needle a bit too much. That said, Douglas was solid today. Beundia very good at times. He's moving in the right direction. He doesn't get the goal, but still chalks an assist (I'd have given it to Emi2 to be honest). There is definitely a player there.

Ramsay had a good game. He looks good at this level. Like everyone, had a few sloppy passes. His goal was perfectly fine. Another cockup by me. Ludicrous decision with Schmeichal having his arched finger tips on top of the ball. That's not in control. JJ was robbed.

Ollie worked his socks off. Should have been more clinical and should have scored a couple today.

McGinniesta was dare I say, Gerrard-esque. Superb display. He's clearly relishing how Gerrard wants him to play.

Carney and Sanson had good cameo appearances. We were good value for the win, BUT...we need to tidy up the passing and we also need to take our chances. We spurned 3-4 very good opportunities today. We could have put the game to bed.

Our set pieces the last two games have been very good. Austin, you're back in the game son! (No doubt riffing more with the new coaches).

Side note: Is it just me, but the last few games, we're getting hammered with niggly fouls by the opposition. I thought the ref, aside from being poor generally today, was also very lenient on Leicester. The fouled us cynically on so many counters (Ndidi a number of times) and didn't get booked. It does seem there's more physical allowance now, but these are stone wall and often cynical fouls.
Speaking of cynical fouls, in the lead up to their goal. Nakamba needs to be taking a yellow for the team and take out whoever it was feeding Barnes out wide to isolate cash. So I get sometimes it need to be done. But a card needs to come, especially if someone is fouling persistently.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 05, 2021, 09:02:29 PM
The disallowed goal and the HT team talk really seemed to kick our lot up the arse. A great reaction. Players looked hungry and aggressive. Little more composure and we’d have won 4-1

Gerrard has improved our CM a lot in such a short space of time. JJ should be hanging on his every word.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2021, 09:03:53 PM
The midfield was tremendous again today especially Nakamba who has seemed a completely different player over the last month.

Something which has been noticeable over the last two games is the tactic of rotational fouling to break up play and maybe a reinterpretation of the laws is required because it is so obviously being used by some teams to gain advantage.
I'm astonished they only had one yellow. Ndidi must have done it several times. I'm all for improving the flow of games and adding some phsyicality back, but a cynical foul is still a cynical foul. It was another shite reffing performance for me today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: rougegorge on December 05, 2021, 09:05:44 PM
We were great in the second half apart from missing chances, but I didn't actually think we were too bad in the first half, although Barnes had too much space and he is a good player.

However what stopped us in our tracks often in our own half was the constant tag team fouling Leicester did. If you take into account a couple of advantages we were given, they fouled nearly once every 3 minutes on average yet somehow only got one yellow for the cynical Maddison trip.

In fact that alone annoyed me most out of Oliver's star performance today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
Little more composure and we’d have won 4-1

Maybe. But it also one of those where it could easily have seen Emi not quite reaching that header and one of those Cash blocks in the first half not happening, we lose 3-2 and we're all grumpy and whining about how wasteful we are.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 05, 2021, 09:13:46 PM
He's got us looking like a proper team in quick time, and it's also the first in many years we've looked that without Joe.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeonW on December 05, 2021, 09:18:22 PM
Great win considering the number of players we had out as well. But the officials; yet again awful. Are we going to get charged like we did against Palace for a poor performance by the official? The disallowed Ramsey goal aside, there was the Watkins goal (looked like a fair tussle with Evans to me), the McGinn double tackle near the end, allowing for the rotational fouling, booking Nakamba for getting fouled and then finding 4 minutes added time from nothing. Lads did well to ride that crap.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 05, 2021, 09:28:34 PM
Very good second half. Really good start to Gerrard’s reign.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: robleflaneur on December 05, 2021, 09:29:41 PM
Brilliant spell in the second half when we totally overran Leicester.What is noticeable is how much closer the midfield are to one another and now and again we get great passing between them.
Fabulous entertainment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 05, 2021, 09:33:20 PM
Talking of delusion……

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127342-lcfc-vs-villa-a-post-match-thread-2-1/
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Ian. on December 05, 2021, 09:34:49 PM
I missed the second half, timed very badly with our Sunday Roast and a driving lesson for my eldest I had to do.

It was a tough watch the first half, I though they played very well and caused all sorts of problems. That was an outrageous decision from VAR, absolutely ridiculous. It was as clear cut as anything I’ve seen in a replay.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 05, 2021, 09:35:05 PM
I'm going to disagree with everyone, to the letter of the law once is hand is on top of the ball he was deemed to be in posession, I might not tike it but that's what it says. Cash needs to spend many hours practising crossing the ball, very wasteful, Marvelous was Marvelous and was impressed with Chuks cameo. Thought both teams were in a battle to see who could give the ball away the most in the first half but Villa were dominant in the second, the only complaint I have is that we missed some very easy chances to put the game away.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: nick harper on December 05, 2021, 09:45:10 PM
It was a moving tribute to little Arthur I thought and fitting that the game stopped so everyone could join in.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 05, 2021, 09:45:25 PM
I'm going to disagree with everyone, to the letter of the law once is hand is on top of the ball he was deemed to be in posession, I might not tike it but that's what it says. Cash needs to spend many hours practising crossing the ball, very wasteful, Marvelous was Marvelous and was impressed with Chuks cameo. Thought both teams were in a battle to see who could give the ball away the most in the first half but Villa were dominant in the second, the only complaint I have is that we missed some very easy chances to put the game away.

It’s not possession, it’s control, which if you consider being in control means having one hand on a ball for a tenth of a second then you crack on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
It was a moving tribute to little Arthur I thought and fitting that the game stopped so everyone could join in.

That is great to hear. Any video footage of it?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Flin5tone on December 05, 2021, 09:51:39 PM
Absolutely fantastic win today! 3 out of 4 with the fixtures we had is a very,very impressive return and we came close to getting a Draw from the Man City game. The midfield is looking much better and some players are starting to step up! first half there was some stupid play and dithering at the back was infuriating at times but that was sorted at the interval. Well Done Steven.

6th minute applause was superb and the atmosphere in general was electric.

Shame those final seats were not sold and it was not a full house to witness the victory.
Food and Drink looked a little better today but still not quick enough to tempt me to join the large line of people looking rather infuriated .



Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Rich6by7 on December 05, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
Class from all concerned regarding the sixth minute applause; hopefully the sections of the crowd who join in the chant including the line “if you are a City fan surrender or you die” may think twice about that in future. We’ll played today Villa, Marv MOTM for me, and a Bosnich-esque save from Martinez to boot.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2021, 09:56:34 PM
I'm going to disagree with everyone, to the letter of the law once is hand is on top of the ball he was deemed to be in posession, I might not tike it but that's what it says. Cash needs to spend many hours practising crossing the ball, very wasteful, Marvelous was Marvelous and was impressed with Chuks cameo. Thought both teams were in a battle to see who could give the ball away the most in the first half but Villa were dominant in the second, the only complaint I have is that we missed some very easy chances to put the game away.

It’s not possession, it’s control, which if you consider being in control means having one hand on a ball for a tenth of a second then you crack on.
 

Also it doesn’t apply after making a save ?  it is all abit ambiguous.  When did it change from 2 hands on the ball?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 05, 2021, 09:59:16 PM
There’s control and there’s a tenth of a second with the ball under your palm. It’s bollocks.

Control was irrelevant anyway, as it had rebounded off him after making a save.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: lovejoy on December 05, 2021, 10:02:29 PM
Exactly, the handball rule being quoted has an except for part which renders this nonsense what it is, nonsense.

I think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Goldenballs on December 05, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
Has anyone seen a replay of Evans going down when Watkins went through? Was it a foul or another one to add to the "ref is a useless ******" list
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2021, 10:06:33 PM
Has anyone seen a replay of Evans going down when Watkins went through? Was it a foul or another one to add to the "ref is a useless ******" list


Forgot about that one
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 05, 2021, 10:07:25 PM
Has anyone seen a replay of Evans going down when Watkins went through? Was it a foul or another one to add to the "ref is a useless ******" list

Add it to the the list for the gormless twat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2021, 10:12:03 PM
I'm going to disagree with everyone, to the letter of the law once is hand is on top of the ball he was deemed to be in posession, I might not tike it but that's what it says. Cash needs to spend many hours practising crossing the ball, very wasteful, Marvelous was Marvelous and was impressed with Chuks cameo. Thought both teams were in a battle to see who could give the ball away the most in the first half but Villa were dominant in the second, the only complaint I have is that we missed some very easy chances to put the game away.

It’s not possession, it’s control, which if you consider being in control means having one hand on a ball for a tenth of a second then you crack on.
 

Also it doesn’t apply after making a save ?  it is all abit ambiguous.  When did it change from 2 hands on the ball?

It's not really that ambiguous as the rule states that the keeper is deemed to be in control of the ball if, "the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds accidentally from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save".

The bit in bold is the key for me and it is why the goal should have stood. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: amfy on December 05, 2021, 10:12:25 PM
Class from all concerned regarding the sixth minute applause; hopefully the sections of the crowd who join in the chant including the line “if you are a City fan surrender or you die” may think twice about that in future. We’ll played today Villa, Marv MOTM for me, and a Bosnich-esque save from Martinez to boot.

To be honest, it was a brilliant feature of the game today that no chants about Birmingham City took off. Maybe we could make a habit of that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: john e on December 05, 2021, 10:13:34 PM
My views

Leicester were the better side in the first half but we still should have been going in at HT 2-1 up

Second-half superb, The disallowed goal played into our hands we came out for vengeance and it got the crowd going,

McGinn was fantastic but Nakamba was prime Makelele

What a save

The Most impressed I’ve been out of all the Gerrard games is still the second half against Man City, We are beginning to see a proper Villa team take shape here

Not so long ago Leicester were way ahead of us on the field and in the league now there’s nothing between us

I’d take that Harvey Barnes of them if we wanted to spend some big bucks

Six minute tribute was Spot-on in every way, RIP little fella

Trains were better organised today got away pretty quickly maybe someone is listening





Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2021, 10:15:02 PM
I'm going to disagree with everyone, to the letter of the law once is hand is on top of the ball he was deemed to be in posession, I might not tike it but that's what it says. Cash needs to spend many hours practising crossing the ball, very wasteful, Marvelous was Marvelous and was impressed with Chuks cameo. Thought both teams were in a battle to see who could give the ball away the most in the first half but Villa were dominant in the second, the only complaint I have is that we missed some very easy chances to put the game away.

It’s not possession, it’s control, which if you consider being in control means having one hand on a ball for a tenth of a second then you crack on.
 

Also it doesn’t apply after making a save ?  it is all abit ambiguous.  When did it change from 2 hands on the ball?

It's not really that ambiguous as the rule states that the keeper is deemed to be in control of the ball if, "the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds accidentally from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save".

The bit in bold is the key for me and it is why the goal should have stood. 


ha ha yes i am sold 3-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Rory on December 05, 2021, 10:27:05 PM
Delighted. Exactly the kind of 50/50 scrappy game that we would've lost a few weeks ago. UTV.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Vegas on December 05, 2021, 10:39:11 PM
I’m loving having Ashley Young back at the club
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 05, 2021, 11:03:19 PM
I like the fact that Gerrard changes things so positively and gave them all a roasting at half time, not worried about ego's or upsetting players.  He was absolutely spot on with his post match comments.  We gave the ball away far too much, in silly areas but we came out strong in the second half and should have scored four or five.  We missed easier chances than we scored.  McGinn, Nakamba were excellent.  Great to see such positive subs and Leicester, for all their second half possession, could only muster a single effort on goal, which was dealt with brilliantly by the best keeper we've ever had.  We seem to be heading in the right direction and Steven Gerrard has really impressed me so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: john2710 on December 05, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
We were sloppy & second best for most of the first half but still should have been 2-1 up at half-time. Neither the VAR nor Oliver know the rules.

Second half we were fantastic & should have scored another 3.

McGinn wins battles he has no right to & sets the tempo for the whole team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 05, 2021, 11:12:45 PM
I'm going to disagree with everyone, to the letter of the law once is hand is on top of the ball he was deemed to be in posession, I might not tike it but that's what it says. Cash needs to spend many hours practising crossing the ball, very wasteful, Marvelous was Marvelous and was impressed with Chuks cameo. Thought both teams were in a battle to see who could give the ball away the most in the first half but Villa were dominant in the second, the only complaint I have is that we missed some very easy chances to put the game away.

It’s not possession, it’s control, which if you consider being in control means having one hand on a ball for a tenth of a second then you crack on.

Aye, if that's control Nyland is a modern day Lev Yashin.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 05, 2021, 11:27:56 PM
A Marvelous performance today by Nakamba: it's like having another new signing, and Ashley Young can finally come off the naughty step now.

WTF was that VAR drama all about? I would have been able to put up my Christmas decorations in the time they took to make a final decision!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2021, 11:38:22 PM
I have been Marv’s biggest critic.  But he has been very good the last 4 games.  Excellent.
But we still need another couple of quality midfielders to really kick on.
Also a couple more wingbacks. 
To add more quality and depth.   But that’s being fussy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 06, 2021, 04:12:31 AM
Leicester fans showing humility.


Kopfkino
Kopfkino
Posted 9 hours ago
Shouldn’t be losing to shit like that, second half every bit as bad as the first half on Wednesday.
 
It’s beyond embarrassing defensively now. The commentators are actively taking the piss out of us.
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 LestaFox92
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Posted 9 hours ago
Just really getting bored of how weak we are at set pieces it's so obvious, hurts even more because villa really aren't even good this season losing grealish and barkley has turned them into a better version of burnley.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 06, 2021, 07:03:20 AM
Brilliant win I Really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 06, 2021, 07:07:24 AM
Leicester fans showing humility.


Kopfkino
Kopfkino
Posted 9 hours ago
Shouldn’t be losing to shit like that, second half every bit as bad as the first half on Wednesday.
 
It’s beyond embarrassing defensively now. The commentators are actively taking the piss out of us.
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LestaFox92
Posted 9 hours ago
Just really getting bored of how weak we are at set pieces it's so obvious, hurts even more because villa really aren't even good this season losing grealish and barkley has turned them into a better version of burnley.

I wish they'd fuck off back to their natural habitat of the Championship/Old First Division and enjoy players like Steve Walsh, Phil Gee and Mike Whitlow.

Seeing twats like Schmeichel and Maddison with those vile side parting type haircuts acting like big time Charlies, riles me no end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 06, 2021, 07:23:59 AM
Apart from Harvey Barnes I wouldn't take a single one of their players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: JD on December 06, 2021, 07:28:20 AM
Pretty ungracious comments. They are hardly setting the league alight themselves.

A good win and great second half.

We don't want to start so badly next weekend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: johnc on December 06, 2021, 08:17:28 AM
We seemed to struggle with formation early on and there was too big a agap between mids and forwards. Apart from Emi2. And You never knew where he was going to turn up. Much better second half. Obvious the players have great faith in Marvellous as they are never afraid to pass to him even when he has players on top of him. Happy with Sanson again. Will we finally have a successful French player? Ollie is a kick of a ball away from having a great game. He will be fine. I was behind the goal for Martinez save. One of the best saves I have seen. He is so agile for a man mountain. Marry Cash apart from a couple of overhit crosses had a great game. Couple of pints b4 with my brother and some friends. A Villa win. Enjoy the small things
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Smoke on December 06, 2021, 08:19:19 AM
The Ramsey goal has really fucked me off. Did it feel like a goal watching it? Yes. Obviously the ref felt so too as he gave it. Only when he's shown a still frame of GK's glove on the ball does he disallow it.

In that moment he's forgotten the rules because VAR has fucked with his head. They should watch/ be shown every angle slow and full speed of the entire sequence. Had he done that he might have remembered the actual rule.

Now they've opened up any keeper to fumble the ball but if any part of the keepers body is touching the ball they're now saying you cannot challenge for it.

That's not a rule anybody wants and not what it actually is. It the exact same situation as the city offside goal now, I fully expect a "clarification" to be circulated within the next few game days.

Oh yeah and I still remember Nyland with both hands either side of the ball and Billy sharps studs up flying kick into the back of the net being allowed.


Fuck me how can get they get video technology so wrong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
Martinez 8 great save
Cash. 5 like Sterling , Barnes gave him a torrid time and his use of the ball in attack was poor
Mings 7 had a couple of Mingses
Konsa 7 would be higher but was poor for their goal
Young 7 used his experience and was pretty fired up.
Luiz 6. Never got going
SJM 8 all action and drive the team on
Nakamba 9:5. Imperious what a turnaround, been fantastic over last couple of games
Buendia 7 shows flashes but worrying he is the only contributor from the greasy cash
Ramsey 7 needs to have an end product from his ball carrying,
Ollie 7 lots of energy but poor decision making in the box
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 06, 2021, 08:35:24 AM
Stale, that's how I'd describe Lesta yesterday. Already they've a team full of players that constitute an 'old guard'. Threatening at rare times but never surprising, even their goal had a massive slice of good fortune in the build up. I'm not saying they're immediately heading back from whence they came, but without a major rebuild I can see them pretty soon yearning for those heady days of back to back fifth place finishes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
Stale, that's how I'd describe Lesta yesterday. Already they've a team full of players that constitute an 'old guard'. Threatening at rare times but never surprising, even their goal had a massive slice of good fortune in the build up. I'm not saying they're immediately heading back from whence they came, but without a major rebuild I can see them pretty soon yearning for those heady days of back to back fifth place finishes.
To be fair they have some very good players missing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: baddowvillans on December 06, 2021, 08:39:39 AM
I reckon when Dermot Gallagher reviews later on in ref watch he will yes Michael Oliver and VAR DID know the rule but could still award a foul if they deemed the Jacobs challenge was ungentlemenly conduct, or dangerous because Schmeichel's hand was on the ball. A total rewriting of reality based on split second still.  What he won't do is say the officials made a mistake
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Edge on December 06, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
Poor first half.  Superb second half.

Lovely meltdowns from the Crisp munchers.

Awful just awful. Nacho needs to start. Rodgers lost the plot. Time to **** off

Brendan Rodgers couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery

To lose to Villa is absolutely dogshite not good enough.

Just really getting bored of how weak we are at set pieces it's so obvious, hurts even more because villa really aren't even good this season losing grealish and barkley has turned them into a shitter version of burnley.

Wow we’ve just been had off by a team managed by Steven Gerrard. Could be me done this. Might just go and support Coalville.

What an absolutely terrible 2nd half. Villa are shit as well.


Despise Villa. Cheating scum every time they play us constantly diving, and we fall for it every time. We need to be a lot more cunning and ruthless against this mob, they will cheat constantly so you have to get right on the refs case immediately or they will give them everything
Wow. Football fans are all one eyed to a certain extent but these lot are different gravy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2021, 08:52:48 AM
Poor first half.  Superb second half.
Lovely meltdowns from the Crisp munchers.

Despise Villa. Cheating scum every time they play us constantly diving, and we fall for it every time. We need to be a lot more cunning and ruthless against this mob, they will cheat constantly ...
So, this is the sort of comment that really grinds my gears. According to the Grauniad's website, we conceded 8 fouls; Lesta 25. Yes, 3 times more from Lesta than Villa.
When I used to ref, if a team consistently fouled I'd tell the team captain that the continuation of rotational fouling would result in a yellow card for him. It usually worked.
Michael Oliver was delinquent yesterday; a disgrace, in fact.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Edge on December 06, 2021, 08:55:45 AM
The problem with VAR (well, one of the problems) is that when the ref is called over to the monitor, they are shown one angle at ultra slowed down speed.

Well in this case they didn't need the ref to look at the monitor just read the rules.
Exactly.Also those slow most should be banned. It's not a true reflection of anything. Watch anything in slow motion and its just a distorted version of events. Let them look at the different camera angles but cut out the slow motion replays it's nonsense. Oh and read the rule book.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Zouch Villa on December 06, 2021, 08:56:54 AM
Poor first half.  Superb second half.

Lovely meltdowns from the Crisp munchers.

Awful just awful. Nacho needs to start. Rodgers lost the plot. Time to **** off

Brendan Rodgers couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery

To lose to Villa is absolutely dogshite not good enough.

Just really getting bored of how weak we are at set pieces it's so obvious, hurts even more because villa really aren't even good this season losing grealish and barkley has turned them into a shitter version of burnley.

Wow we’ve just been had off by a team managed by Steven Gerrard. Could be me done this. Might just go and support Coalville.

What an absolutely terrible 2nd half. Villa are shit as well.


Despise Villa. Cheating scum every time they play us constantly diving, and we fall for it every time. We need to be a lot more cunning and ruthless against this mob, they will cheat constantly so you have to get right on the refs case immediately or they will give them everything
Wow. Football fans are all one eyed to a certain extent but these lot are different gravy.

Chortle
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2021, 08:59:41 AM
So, without repeating everyone else's eulogies to Marv, SJM and Emi 1, I'd like to share some other observations:
- Chuky offered us an out-ball yesterday, every bit as effective as Joe's. 3 times, he picked up a clearance and held the ball, before either drawing the foul or turning the opponent. I think that is a wonderful option for the team to have when under pressure.
- Ashley Young's defensive capabilities were stretched yesterday. I love his game management, but he was a weak link in the first half and was played a little deeper in the second, to better effect.
- Cash is obsessed with shooting on goal. I have made this point before but since his goal earlier in the season he seems to want to shoot at every opportunity; not usually very well. Just STOP IT, Matty!
- Both fullbacks need to go into an intensive crossing clinic.
- Buendia is almost starting to click, now: his energy and ability to see the pass / the space are excellent: somehow he needs to be made more robust.
- Young, Luiz and Watkins slowed the game down at times when we needed to ball moving more quickly.

A brilliant day, in the end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on December 06, 2021, 09:00:32 AM
Has anyone seen a replay of Evans going down when Watkins went through? Was it a foul or another one to add to the "ref is a useless ******" list

Add it to the the list for the gormless twat.

I was watching on my phone, and my 10-year-old looked over my shoulder as Michael Oliver appeared on the screen. "I don't like that referee". He knows.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Edge on December 06, 2021, 09:03:18 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/32461/12484575/aston-villa-vs-leicester-city-live-highlights
That's the first time I've seen the disallowed goal. What utter bullshit that is from the officials. Shocking interpretation of the rules game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: lovejoy on December 06, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
I think a second or so later and the ball would have slipped out from Schmeichael's grasp anyway.

Leicester seem to be at the ideas above their station phase, will chase out Rogers and gradually decline.

Remember they stitched up all the local businesses St Johns etc. when they walked away from their debts and didn't compensate them even after winning the league. No class.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: john e on December 06, 2021, 09:09:45 AM
I think Rogers is a very good manager but it’s funny how things change quickly

A few weeks ago he was one of the favourites for the Man United job
Now a lot of his own fans want him out
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 06, 2021, 09:28:22 AM
As reliant on Grealish as we were Leicester has relied for the past few years on a now ageing forward who I can't remember touching the ball in the last twenty minutes after coming on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 09:35:17 AM
I'd have Barnes and Maddison from them, both very good players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 06, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
I'd have Barnes and Maddison from them, both very good players.

I think they've got a few decent players, something just doesn't seem right there. Might be a similar situation to Smith getting the boot. A change of manager could go in there and get them back firing. Most of them all just look out of form at the same time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 09:40:10 AM
They've got Tielemans out, who I reckon is one of the best midfielders in the PL, and also Fofana who had a good season last year.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2021, 09:41:20 AM
I'd have Barnes and Maddison from them, both very good players.
and Tielemans and Fafana
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Edge on December 06, 2021, 09:42:46 AM
Talking of delusion……

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127342-lcfc-vs-villa-a-post-match-thread-2-1/
I had a quick scan through that. Jeez what a salty bunch. Apparently we are crap,shit,awful,rubbish,cheating scumbags. Makes you realise how good this forum is. Apart from the occasional infiltrator I think we are generally well balanced in our views and have no problem acknowledging a decent performance from the opposition. For the record I think Leicester are still a good side and Harvey Barnes in particular looks very dangerous on the ball. I'd love him at the Villa.
And a special mention for "Sunbury Fox" he could start his own salt mine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 09:54:32 AM
Yes to Harvey Barnes, he's very direct and aggressive, he'd suit us down to the ground. They'd want something close to what we got for Joe though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 06, 2021, 09:57:04 AM
Barnes put Matty Cash through the ringer yesterday. First half especially.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
Barnes put Matty Cash through the ringer yesterday. First half especially.

Every time I've seen him play he's impressed me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 06, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
It was a nice finish from him as well, basically passed it into the net.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Scratchins on December 06, 2021, 10:22:29 AM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 06, 2021, 10:24:06 AM
Definite yes to Barnes he’s a great player. Maddison I’m not sure about. He does enough to make you think good player but to me looks like he has more to offer but rarely does. If he did he’d be right up there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: AV82EC on December 06, 2021, 10:25:44 AM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.

Saw something on Twitter that a Villa fan had administered CPR for 10 mins before the paramedics got there and saved the guys life.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 06, 2021, 10:27:07 AM
Great and fully deserved win. 9 points out of 12 (and could easily of been 10) is a brilliant return in this league.

The players have belief again and some of our play is terrific at times. We should of won by a clearer margin if we had brought our shooting boots.

I would like to see Sanson get more minutes as I think he could save us a lot of money.
As good as Young was I hope Targett is back for Saturday
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 06, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
How’s Kasper’s hand today? He was supposed to be getting it “checked” wasn’t he? because it was so sore. He even suggested an X-ray might be required. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time. Puts everything into perspective, etc…
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 10:38:33 AM
How’s Kasper’s hand today? He was supposed to be getting it “checked” wasn’t he? because it was so sore. He even suggested an X-ray might be required. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time. Puts everything into perspective, etc…

He was rolling around like he'd been punished for stealing in by ISIS.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: paul_e on December 06, 2021, 10:46:22 AM
They've got Tielemans out, who I reckon is one of the best midfielders in the PL, and also Fofana who had a good season last year.

Agreed, Tielemans is their best player by a distance and Fofana being out has ruined their defence.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 10:46:37 AM
My missus thought the "you fat bastard" chants at him all game were the height of hilarity.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 06, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
No surprises that Gallagher thinks it was the correct decision, even though they didn't quote the full law.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Damo70 on December 06, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
They've got Tielemans out, who I reckon is one of the best midfielders in the PL, and also Fofana who had a good season last year.

Agreed, Tielemans is their best player by a distance and Fofana being out has ruined their defence.


Tielemans is a top top player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on December 06, 2021, 11:45:18 AM
Martinez 8 great save
Cash. 5 like Sterling , Barnes gave him a torrid time and his use of the ball in attack was poor
Mings 7 had a couple of Mingses
Konsa 7 would be higher but was poor for their goal
Young 7 used his experience and was pretty fired up.
Luiz 6. Never got going
SJM 8 all action and drive the team on
Nakamba 9:5. Imperious what a turnaround, been fantastic over last couple of games
Buendia 7 shows flashes but worrying he is the only contributor from the greasy cash
Ramsey 7 needs to have an end product from his ball carrying,
Ollie 7 lots of energy but poor decision making in the box

I would agree on all the ratings apart from Konsa.
He wasn't at  exactly at fault for the goal exactly, rather it was a good bit of skill by Barnes.

Surely you have to score him more than Mings as he scored both goals.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 06, 2021, 11:45:43 AM
I think MOTD 2 asking the premier league for clarification about it not applying if keeper has made a save and them not responding said it all.

They know Oliver didn't call it correctly so will likely be a fudge statement in next day or two.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 06, 2021, 11:46:43 AM
Poor first half.  Superb second half.
Lovely meltdowns from the Crisp munchers.

Despise Villa. Cheating scum every time they play us constantly diving, and we fall for it every time. We need to be a lot more cunning and ruthless against this mob, they will cheat constantly ...
So, this is the sort of comment that really grinds my gears. According to the Grauniad's website, we conceded 8 fouls; Lesta 25. Yes, 3 times more from Lesta than Villa.
When I used to ref, if a team consistently fouled I'd tell the team captain that the continuation of rotational fouling would result in a yellow card for him. It usually worked.
Michael Oliver was delinquent yesterday; a disgrace, in fact.


And presumably 3 of our fouls were Ramsey scoring, Watkins not being through on goal and McGinn shooting Ndidi
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: olaftab on December 06, 2021, 11:46:48 AM
How’s Kasper’s hand today? He was supposed to be getting it “checked” wasn’t he? because it was so sore. He even suggested an X-ray might be required. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time. Puts everything into perspective, etc…
In the post match interview he said that he will be OK for the next match as he has often played with an injured ego...I mean hand.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: baddowvillans on December 06, 2021, 11:47:37 AM
Yep.  Insisted that ball was grounded even though Warnock proved it was actually off the ground.  Gallagher argued that Ransey was challenging for the ball before striking which wasn't allowed.  No mention of the exception which is the real issue.  No one disputes that the rule says that one hand on the ball in contact with the ground is dead.  To just ignore the exception however is a cop out.  I know we went on to win the game but it still pisses me off that there seems to be a "its only Villa" attitude.  I suspect Mr Gerrard will put an end to that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: lovejoy on December 06, 2021, 12:00:27 PM
I'm guessing Schmeichal will miraculously be able to play vs Napoli.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: OCD on December 06, 2021, 12:01:38 PM
I'll be very surprised if there's not a re-write for that rule. Very poorly written and very unambiguous.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Monty on December 06, 2021, 12:04:08 PM
I'll be very surprised if there's not a re-write for that rule. Very poorly written and very unambiguous.

Yeah, sympathised with the officials on that one. As they made it, they would've known it was a decision they'd get pilloried for regardless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 06, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
At what point did it stop being having made a save and become collecting the ball? I do think the manner of his motion, hand coming down directly onto the top of the ball, makes me feel he was at the latter stage. I'd be angry if similar was ever not given for Martinez.
The three points will help me avoid any sleepless nights over the matter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 12:05:58 PM
Yep.  Insisted that ball was grounded even though Warnock proved it was actually off the ground.  Gallagher argued that Ransey was challenging for the ball before striking which wasn't allowed.  No mention of the exception which is the real issue.  No one disputes that the rule says that one hand on the ball in contact with the ground is dead.  To just ignore the exception however is a cop out.  I know we went on to win the game but it still pisses me off that there seems to be a "its only Villa" attitude.  I suspect Mr Gerrard will put an end to that.

The hand or foot on the ball rule is clearly there to stop people kicking it from under their foot when they're getting ready to make a goal kick or whatever. When they've barely touched it after the ball has hit them or they've made a save, the exception "except when the bule rebounds from the goalkeeper or when the goal keeper makes a save" clearly mean that the ball is there to be won.

Using the definition applied by the twat ref and VAR, if there's a bad back pass from a player, and a striker nips in and robs it off the keeper, then the goal would have to be disallowed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 06, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
My missus thought the "you fat bastard" chants at him all game were the height of hilarity.

It was like the 90s, 00s, 10s and 20s have never happened. Or like being at Molineux, which amounts to the same thing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 06, 2021, 12:17:35 PM
There’s control and there’s a tenth of a second with the ball under your palm. It’s bollocks.

It only looked under control on the VAR freeze frame. The ref should have known that. The forward should get the benefit of the doubt in that situation. Bar the keeper complaining about his finger I didn't see too many complaints from the Leicester defenders. They knew he made a mess of it.

Speaking of Schmeichel, I thought he was dreadful for our three goals yesterday. For a relatively big unit he seems reluctant to leave his line to take physical contact. No such worries for Martinez who seems to relish it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 12:18:51 PM
He was a disgrace for our second goal. Woeful, the massive wazzock.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 12:22:31 PM
He got the Bob Wilson treatment and it got to him. It was very funny, I was singing it doing the dishes when I got home.
He looked even more of a prick with his response to the interviewer after the game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 12:23:37 PM
He got the Bob Wilson treatment and it got to him. It was very funny, I was singing it doing the dishes when I got home.
He looked even more of a prick with his response to the interviewer after the game.

Haven't seen that yet. I think he comes a cross like a massive dick most of the time, to be honest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 06, 2021, 12:28:57 PM
Leicester should be immediately relegated several tiers just for those disgraceful pink socks that they were sporting yesterday. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 12:32:35 PM
He got the Bob Wilson treatment and it got to him. It was very funny, I was singing it doing the dishes when I got home.
He looked even more of a prick with his response to the interviewer after the game.

Haven't seen that yet. I think he comes a cross like a massive dick most of the time, to be honest.

The apple never falls far from the tree.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: lovejoy on December 06, 2021, 12:32:44 PM
I quite like Schmeichal normally but yesterdays shithousing was very bad. If you watch carefully he didn't feel hand pain until after he saw the ball go in from his fumble. If it genuinely hurt that much he would have shown his pain as an immediate reaction.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 06, 2021, 12:36:36 PM
I can't dislike Schmeichel even though he was a wanker for the way he behaved for the disallowed perfectly good goal and the subsequent stick he got was fully deserved. All harmless fun and fully deserved. He made it worse for himself when standing on the 6 yard line looking at the fans as the linesman checked the nets.  That was an odd thing to do and what ever it was meant to achieve backfired on him as he seemed to lose a bit of composure as the crowd baited him further.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 12:37:38 PM
I quite like Schmeichal normally but yesterdays shithousing was very bad. If you watch carefully he didn't feel hand pain until after he saw the ball go in from his fumble. If it genuinely hurt that much he would have shown his pain as an immediate reaction.

Unless he was shot with an invisible ray gun it's hard to see where the pain would come from, as no contact is made with his hand.

I don't watch American football, but do they still have someone lying down with a finger on the ball for field goals? And do they writhe in agony for 5 minutes after each attempt?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 06, 2021, 12:48:42 PM
My missus thought the "you fat bastard" chants at him all game were the height of hilarity.

You've set her a low bar, mate!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Villa Lew on December 06, 2021, 12:50:39 PM
The ironic thing is if JJ had made his challenge a fraction of a second later, Schmeichel would have probably lost control of the ball and the goal would have stood. The good thing is it didn't matter in the end and it certainly galvanized the crowd, atmosphere 2nd half was great.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 06, 2021, 12:52:25 PM

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Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 06, 2021, 12:53:19 PM

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He will rise from the grave to moan about the incorrect spelling of his name. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 06, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Died of a hurty finger.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on December 06, 2021, 01:02:27 PM
Yep.  Insisted that ball was grounded even though Warnock proved it was actually off the ground.  Gallagher argued that Ransey was challenging for the ball before striking which wasn't allowed.  No mention of the exception which is the real issue.  No one disputes that the rule says that one hand on the ball in contact with the ground is dead.  To just ignore the exception however is a cop out.  I know we went on to win the game but it still pisses me off that there seems to be a "its only Villa" attitude.  I suspect Mr Gerrard will put an end to that.

The hand or foot on the ball rule is clearly there to stop people kicking it from under their foot when they're getting ready to make a goal kick or whatever. When they've barely touched it after the ball has hit them or they've made a save, the exception "except when the bule rebounds from the goalkeeper or when the goal keeper makes a save" clearly mean that the ball is there to be won.

Using the definition applied by the twat ref and VAR, if there's a bad back pass from a player, and a striker nips in and robs it off the keeper, then the goal would have to be disallowed.

Totally agree and that's the reason for the exception rule, like you say the rule was in place to stop players knocking it out the keepers hand when taking a goal kick etc.

This feels similar to the Manchester City game when Rodri was returning from an offside position when he dispossessed Mings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Clampy on December 06, 2021, 01:14:02 PM
Like a few people on here, I thought we going to blow it after the chances we missed. Gerrard seems to have installed a bit of grit into us though. There was some decent performances out there but Marvelous really was Marvellous again.

As for Kasper, what a big horses arse he was. I said to my mate, he's going to stay down until the goal is disallowed. Thoughts and Prayers for the hurty finger.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Like a few people on here, I thought we going to blow it after the chances we missed. Gerrard seems to have installed a bit of grit into us though.

To be fair my Leicester mate was saying it about them after their good first half, and he turned out to be right! Going to take us a while to lose the feeling that we're always going to chuck it away.

I didn't think we were great first half, but we've had far worse recently, so to hear that Gerrard tore them a new one at half time shows that his standards are high. The players probably went in thinking they'd done alright.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 06, 2021, 01:20:27 PM
I think we were second best first half and would have been fortunate to go in ahead. We blew them away first 25 minutes of second half though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2021, 01:32:16 PM
Leicester should be immediately relegated several tiers just for those disgraceful pink socks that they were sporting yesterday. 
Agreed, and any team wearing grey kit deserve to be docked 38 points for the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 01:49:21 PM
I’m loving having Ashley Young back at the club

Gobby little fcuker, i'n 'e ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 01:52:06 PM
Apart from Harvey Barnes I wouldn't take a single one of their players.

Nah, they have half a dozen or so who are great players. And we were lucky Tielemanns was out.

They played the better football in the game, I thought. If Gerrard can harness the scrapper mentality we now have to a bit more technical quality and flow to our game, we'll usurp them and the likes of Arsenal soon enough.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 02:00:15 PM
He was a disgrace for our second goal. Woeful, the massive wazzock.

A brilliantly-orchestrated corner from Nanny McPhee in phairness.

Deep corner to the back post, crowd the keeper with little 'uns (Marv and McGinn), have two big centre-backs towering at the back post, ready to pounce with their noggins.

Austin in !
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: john2710 on December 06, 2021, 02:09:11 PM
On MOTD2 they stated the PL had said that the exception didn't supersede the first part of rule. Which they rightly ridiculed. Why can't they just say they got it wrong?

Listened to Talk Shite earlier, with the usual bolloxs from Jim White & Danny Murphy. They said the ref got the disallowed decision correct whilst completely ignoring the exception tonthe rule.

Murphy brought up some nonsense about the rule being introduced after a Forrest player headed the ball out of the palm of a keeper's hand as he was about to kick it. Which bears no resemblance to what happened yesterday.

Anyway the narrative is they got it right & Villa won anyway. Also don't forget we're only in the PL because of a dodgy goal line decision.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 02:16:21 PM
That’s what exceptions are for you fucking idiots.

Please don’t use this defibrillator unless someone is having a heart attack.

Why did you use it? He was having a heart attack.

Sorry, the exception doesn’t overrule the rule.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 06, 2021, 02:26:27 PM
With the number of missed chances second half just grab them 3 points and run
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 06, 2021, 02:34:12 PM
I don't think they got it wrong.

Schmeichel makes save with right hand.

Schmeichel recovers position, gets down, gets left hand onto ball.

Ramsey kicks ball.

It all happened very quickly, the blink of a mortal's eye almost, but they were three distinct elements to that passage of play.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Smithy on December 06, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
I don't think they got it wrong.

Schmeichel makes save with right hand.

Schmeichel recovers position, gets down, gets left hand onto ball.

Ramsey kicks ball.

It all happened very quickly, the blink of a mortal's eye almost, but they were three distinct elements to that passage of play.

I understand what you're saying, and that appears to be the position of the "ref's union", but can you explain to me what WOULD have constituted the exception in Law 12 for that incident to allow a goal? 

The laws of the game clearly have an exception following a save or after the ball rebounds from the keeper, so can you explain a situation where Schmeichel has his hand on the ball and the goal IS allowed per the exception - and how that is different to what actually happened in the game?

I have understood the arguments about why it was disallowed, but I still can't understand how any situation USING the exception is any different to the disallowed goal?

For completeness, the rule is:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

- the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: paul_e on December 06, 2021, 03:20:58 PM
I think that one was a poor decision but it's distracted from the far worse decision to blow up when Watkins was about to shoot. If he'd let play go for a couple of seconds he could've gone to VAR to see if there was a foul on Evans by blowing up he made that impossible. It's the same scenario as with Friend in that Palace game and is exactly the sort of decision making that should be taken away by VAR, let play go and then go back and make decision instead rushing to a snap judgement.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 06, 2021, 03:24:50 PM
I'll admit I'm also struggling to imagine what they're referring to by the exceptions. I don't think they mean that at any point during a goalmouth scramble you can kick it out of the keeper's hand(s). Or maybe they do, maybe that's exactly what they mean, fuck knows. All I can say is that given the current wording and what actually happened, if I'd been on duty at Stockley Park I'd have chalked the goal off. He's done making the save, and then something else happens.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Smithy on December 06, 2021, 03:32:54 PM
I'll admit I'm also struggling to imagine what they're referring to by the exceptions. I don't think they mean that at any point during a goalmouth scramble you can kick it out of the keeper's hand(s). Or maybe they do, maybe that's exactly what they mean, fuck knows. All I can say is that given the current wording and what actually happened, if I'd been on duty at Stockley Park I'd have chalked the goal off. He's done making the save, and then something else happens.

The exception isn't about the keeper being in the act of "making a save" - the exception clearly says "has made" a save. It's the past tense.  It's clearly designed to be used when the keeper has just made a save - which he clearly just had.

Like you, I can't picture a scenario where a goal is allowed because of the exception, but it must exist, so it's probably a lack of imagination on my part - but it would be hugely helpful to see such a scenario so we can at least put this to bed.

I mentioned it in the match thread I think, but I expect we will see a clarification of that part of the law pretty soon, much like when Rhodri challenges Mings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 03:40:58 PM
I'll admit I'm also struggling to imagine what they're referring to by the exceptions. I don't think they mean that at any point during a goalmouth scramble you can kick it out of the keeper's hand(s). Or maybe they do, maybe that's exactly what they mean, fuck knows. All I can say is that given the current wording and what actually happened, if I'd been on duty at Stockley Park I'd have chalked the goal off. He's done making the save, and then something else happens.

The exception isn't about the keeper being in the act of "making a save" - the exception clearly says "has made" a save. It's the past tense.  It's clearly designed to be used when the keeper has just made a save - which he clearly just had.

Like you, I can't picture a scenario where a goal is allowed because of the exception, but it must exist, so it's probably a lack of imagination on my part - but it would be hugely helpful to see such a scenario so we can at least put this to bed.

I mentioned it in the match thread I think, but I expect we will see a clarification of that part of the law pretty soon, much like when Rhodri challenges Mings.

I'm in the middle of an argument on The Guardian with some throbber that's insisting that because he's added a semi colon after the first part of the law it means that's how it should be applied, therefore the ref was right. Despite that semi colon not existing in the actual laws. Then there's follow ups citing him saying yes, it was right as it was the letter of the law.

It's fucking unbelievable. Can you imagine the day/weeks of anguished debate and thought pieces from the likes of Barney Ronay and Jonathan Wilson had this affected the result of a game between one of the *spits* 'elite' clubs?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Somniloquism on December 06, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
I don't think they got it wrong.

Schmeichel makes save with right hand.

Schmeichel recovers position, gets down, gets left hand onto ball.

Ramsey kicks ball.

It all happened very quickly, the blink of a mortal's eye almost, but they were three distinct elements to that passage of play.

I understand what you're saying, and that appears to be the position of the "ref's union", but can you explain to me what WOULD have constituted the exception in Law 12 for that incident to allow a goal? 

The laws of the game clearly have an exception following a save or after the ball rebounds from the keeper, so can you explain a situation where Schmeichel has his hand on the ball and the goal IS allowed per the exception - and how that is different to what actually happened in the game?

I have understood the arguments about why it was disallowed, but I still can't understand how any situation USING the exception is any different to the disallowed goal?

For completeness, the rule is:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

- the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save

In the cold light of day and having a thought, I'm guessing the exception is if the keeper makes a save / block with his hands initially, (Ball between hand and ground or both hands behind the ball) and then it spills out. The original "control" is then lost. So in theory the original stop from him wouldn't have counted as in control with those initial rules, but then the follow up could be.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: alan_clarke on December 06, 2021, 03:59:13 PM
- the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save

From this I take it that the exception only applies to the second half of the sentence. There is no exception if the ball is between the hands and any surface, like what happened yesterday. The exception for the second part I think is to differentiate a keeper holding the ball upright with the palm of his hand (in control of the ball) or palming the ball out from a save (has touched the ball but is not in control of it).
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 06, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
There isn’t that much anti Small Heath chanting at matches this season. Have they now finally officially become irrelevant to us?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Edge on December 06, 2021, 04:28:36 PM
There isn’t that much anti Small Heath chanting at matches this season. Have they now finally officially become irrelevant to us?
Sorry, who?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: tricky dicky on December 06, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
How’s Kasper’s hand today? He was supposed to be getting it “checked” wasn’t he? because it was so sore. He even suggested an X-ray might be required. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time. Puts everything into perspective, etc…
(https://i.ibb.co/Jt9GFN0/FF6-Hi-Ii-WQAUOlnu.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jt9GFN0)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 06, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
Perhaps the laws of the game should be clear and not require the application of the rules of interpretation applicable to an Act of Parliament being considered by the Supreme Court. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 04:36:31 PM
Perhaps the laws of the game should be clear and not require the application of the rules of interpretation applicable to an Act of Parliament being considered by the Supreme Court. 

Exactly.

Another point is the goal was given, and the law is ambiguous at best, especially in this context. Therefore, how does VAR conclude that there is a 'clear and obvious error' to correct?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 04:56:36 PM
Changing the rules - changing the rules
We're Aston Villa - we change the rules!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Moonraker on December 06, 2021, 05:04:08 PM
Had a look at "Pete the Canadian Guys" podcast, The Holy Trinity. Opening bit is pretty funny....
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Smithy on December 06, 2021, 05:15:08 PM
Perhaps the laws of the game should be clear and not require the application of the rules of interpretation applicable to an Act of Parliament being considered by the Supreme Court. 

Exactly.

Another point is the goal was given, and the law is ambiguous at best, especially in this context. Therefore, how does VAR conclude that there is a 'clear and obvious error' to correct?

It seems the refs are entirely clear on the law, it's just badly drafted to give the impression the exclusion applies to the entire sentence, rather than the second part only.  It's a bit like the comma in the US' second amendment - punctuation matter. The difference here is that the people who wrote it aren't dead and they should make it clearer as quickly as possible.

Or they'll just think "fuck it, WE know what it means, and that's good enough".

I do think incidents like this will now be scrutinised much more closely, given it has denied a goal in a premier league game.  Will keepers now think it's more important to get downward pressure on the ball (like a try in rugby) than it is to actually make a block or attempt to get the ball clear? It certainly changes the potential options available to a goalie when the ball is moving around in the six-yard box.  You don't have to make a save, or clear the ball to relieve pressure, you just have to convince VAR you had "control" of the ball.

For example, if the ball breaks free in the six-yard box and it's a race to the ball between striker and keeper, I'd always hope the keeper will push the ball away with his hand/fingers or at worst get a reasonable block in, i.e. stop the striker scoring at all costs - but now there is the option to race to get your hand on top of the ball, even if you know that doing so doesn't actually stop the shot coming in. 

It gives keepers an option of drawing a foul, like players can in midfield; they can make a risky low-percentage save/block, or go for the free-kick you know you'll get if it goes to VAR, even if it doesn't stop a striker getting the shot away.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 06, 2021, 05:26:32 PM
We seemed to struggle with formation early on and there was too big a agap between mids and forwards. Apart from Emi2. And You never knew where he was going to turn up. Much better second half. Obvious the players have great faith in Marvellous as they are never afraid to pass to him even when he has players on top of him. Happy with Sanson again. Will we finally have a successful French player? Ollie is a kick of a ball away from having a great game. He will be fine. I was behind the goal for Martinez save. One of the best saves I have seen. He is so agile for a man mountain. Marry Cash apart from a couple of overhit crosses had a great game. Couple of pints b4 with my brother and some friends. A Villa win. Enjoy the small things

Sanson was good - in the sense that there were no obvious howlers and our midfield didn't cede ground to the same extent we did when Luiz went off against Wolves.   More minutes can only benefit him.

Chucky was the standout of the subs, looked composed in possession.

Like he'd played in the topflight for the last ten years.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 06, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
I think that one was a poor decision but it's distracted from the far worse decision to blow up when Watkins was about to shoot. If he'd let play go for a couple of seconds he could've gone to VAR to see if there was a foul on Evans by blowing up he made that impossible. It's the same scenario as with Friend in that Palace game and is exactly the sort of decision making that should be taken away by VAR, let play go and then go back and make decision instead rushing to a snap judgement.
I thought exactly the same thing.  The problem is the inflexible way they use VAR as by not giving the foul it would then move to the 'clear and obvious' test.  If they had a more collaborative approach as in rugby it would be much easier to do as you have suggested and then have a dialouge after the play has stopped.  He should be allowed to go and have a quick look at the monitor and make his mind up.  VAR is ridulous and I've no idea why they can't just be more pragmatic in their approach, the outcomes would be so much better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 06, 2021, 05:40:57 PM

I do think incidents like this will now be scrutinised much more closely, given it has denied a goal in a premier league game.  Will keepers now think it's more important to get downward pressure on the ball (like a try in rugby) than it is to actually make a block or attempt to get the ball clear? It certainly changes the potential options available to a goalie when the ball is moving around in the six-yard box.  You don't have to make a save, or clear the ball to relieve pressure, you just have to convince VAR you had "control" of the ball.


Indeed. And why this needs to be nipped in the bud pronto.

It's a shame referees try to shift the whole dynamic of Association Football when we're involved.

There's the law to the letter (which is a hornets nest, as we've seen from the attempts here to explain the definition) and the common sense interpretation that's worked for years. But which Friend, Oliver Jonathan Moss et al seem to bypass when it's us.

Did it look like a foul/ Schmeichel had control in real time?  No.  Did any of the Leicester players apart from the blond tart appeal? No.

If the ref is unsure, don't point to the centre circle and then check.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: The Edge on December 06, 2021, 05:43:09 PM
How’s Kasper’s hand today? He was supposed to be getting it “checked” wasn’t he? because it was so sore. He even suggested an X-ray might be required. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time. Puts everything into perspective, etc…
(https://i.ibb.co/Jt9GFN0/FF6-Hi-Ii-WQAUOlnu.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jt9GFN0)
Made me laugh this did
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: KNVillan on December 06, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.

There is more on that here (I assume it is the same incident)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59551991
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 07:01:57 PM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.

There is more on that here (I assume it is the same incident)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59551991

I drove past after parking near the Bartons, there was a Police van blocking the road off Park Lane, I wondered what had happened.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
He got the Bob Wilson treatment and it got to him. It was very funny, I was singing it doing the dishes when I got home.


I hope you’re not neglecting the caravan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: john e on December 06, 2021, 08:02:48 PM
He got the Bob Wilson treatment and it got to him. It was very funny, I was singing it doing the dishes when I got home.


I hope you’re not neglecting the caravan.

Ha ha that’s never going to be forgotten
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
Fuck off the pair of ya.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: amfy on December 06, 2021, 09:19:35 PM
There isn’t that much anti Small Heath chanting at matches this season. Have they now finally officially become irrelevant to us?

In previous matches the ‘Small Heath get battered everywhere they go’ one has been pretty ubiquitous, but obviously wouldn’t have been appropriate yesterday. Yesterday I heard a couple of times that a few seemed to be trying to start an anti Blues chant, but they gained no traction. No one wanted that yesterday. It was Arthur’s day.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: DrGonzo on December 06, 2021, 09:55:22 PM
I think singing to Kaspar "You're just a s*** Peter Schmeichel" might have been fun.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: olaftab on December 06, 2021, 10:31:20 PM
How’s Kasper’s hand today? He was supposed to be getting it “checked” wasn’t he? because it was so sore. He even suggested an X-ray might be required. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time. Puts everything into perspective, etc…
(https://i.ibb.co/Jt9GFN0/FF6-Hi-Ii-WQAUOlnu.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jt9GFN0)
Made me laugh this did
Stop laughing... the boy could have been killed. (please read in an Alex Ferguson tone)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: olaftab on December 06, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
Perhaps the laws of the game should be clear and not require the application of the rules of interpretation applicable to an Act of Parliament being considered by the Supreme Court. 

Exactly.

Another point is the goal was given, and the law is ambiguous at best, especially in this context. Therefore, how does VAR conclude that there is a 'clear and obvious error' to correct?
Not sure what you two are on about as there are ONLY 17 simple laws governing a game of football :o.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Rory on December 06, 2021, 10:48:47 PM
As a former goalkeeper (until the age of 16 or so, when I stopped growing and started playing right back) I think goalkeepers should be protected.

But as a former goalkeeper I also think that, because I was kicked in the face hundreds of times whilst having the ball in both hands, and the opponents faced no punishment, I kind of want other people to share my suffering.

I'm aware the rules have changed since I last played any kind of football, but if I'd been Schmeichel, I would've expected that goal to stand.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: DrGonzo on December 06, 2021, 11:01:39 PM
Schmeichel's attempts in the Villa area late on in the game show exactly how little contact they are normally allowed to have.  In short, he went down easier than a $5 whore from what was nothing more than a bit of gentle roughing, and had the temerity to appeal for a penalty. Mwahahaha.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Scratchins on December 07, 2021, 07:33:21 AM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.

There is more on that here (I assume it is the same incident)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59551991

I drove past after parking near the Bartons, there was a Police van blocking the road off Park Lane, I wondered what had happened.

We heard last night that the man is a friend of my husband's from his tennis club. The message is "he is in a bad way". Fingers crossed for him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 07, 2021, 10:35:46 AM
Son was on about Keir Draper last night,use to manage bromsgrove sporting years ago, didn't realize it was down the Villa till now, lovely person
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Scratchins on December 08, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.

There is more on that here (I assume it is the same incident)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59551991

I drove past after parking near the Bartons, there was a Police van blocking the road off Park Lane, I wondered what had happened.

We heard last night that the man is a friend of my husband's from his tennis club. The message is "he is in a bad way". Fingers crossed for him.

He is now stable in City Hospital and awaiting a heart bypass.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Drummond on December 08, 2021, 11:04:14 AM
Proper bloody heroes those guys that stopped and gave CPR.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 08, 2021, 11:06:06 AM
Proper bloody heroes those guys that stopped and gave CPR.


absolutely in awe of people who react like that in those situations
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Somniloquism on December 08, 2021, 11:53:55 AM
I wonder how noticeable it was as well. Was he blocking traffic so easy or just slumped in a parked car?

But yes, hopefully the club can give them something for their actions when it can be easier to walk by.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2-1 Leicester City post match thread
Post by: Scratchins on December 10, 2021, 07:46:39 PM
A bit off topic but I didn't know where to post it. Upper Sutton Street was closed at the bottom after the game whilst CPR was performed in the road on some poor soul. The ambulance blue lighted past us so there must have still been life but I haven't seen anything about it. I just hope that it was a good outcome. Puts football into perspective.

There is more on that here (I assume it is the same incident)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59551991

I drove past after parking near the Bartons, there was a Police van blocking the road off Park Lane, I wondered what had happened.

We heard last night that the man is a friend of my husband's from his tennis club. The message is "he is in a bad way". Fingers crossed for him.

He is now stable in City Hospital and awaiting a heart bypass.

He has now had stents fitted and is stable. He would like to personally thank the fans who saved his life. Do you think that this should be done through the club?
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