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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on December 01, 2021, 10:17:34 PM
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Crap first half better 2nd. Always felt we didn’t have enough of a go.
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F**k me.
I've just watched Man Citeh TV.
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Man City were awesome first half but we never gave in…….long may it continue
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For all that it was end to end and all of that, Man City scratching out a one-goal away win is the height of tedium. Honestly if their owners fucked off tomorrow and left them to go out of business it would be a good day.
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First half we were third best but we showed some real fight the second half. Didn't expect anything from the game beforehand, our season will be determined on games against teams fourth and below. Quality finish from Ollie and good to se Sanson and Chucky get some game time.
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Man City and Pep are ******. As is Grealish. I expected him to get more abuse, and rightly so.
Thought we deserved a point in the end.
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That game was an object lesson in how not to play against them, and then how you ought to.
Stand back and let them play in front of you and you'll get destroyed. Get after them, don't let them settle and you have a chance. Not much of one, but a chance nonetheless.
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Terrible first half. Much better second. Nice finish from Ollie and the quality Emi B showed to create the Chuk chance was brilliant. Douglas excellent.
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Just watched Oliie's goal again. Brilliant set-piece. Fuck Citeh!
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Some good performances in that game even though we was completely out classed. Cash, Ollie, Dougie and Mings played very well I thought.
Emi really puts us under unnecessary pressure at times, he scares the shot out of me. Konsa and Mings must brick it as well.
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Chucky and Konsa probably should have scored, we were unlucky not to get a draw.
City should hace been out of sight in the first half, but we came strong in the second once we stopped shitting ourselves every time they got the ball.
Great to hear Judas being roundly booed.
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I started to get a bit sick of those high McGinn crosses, mind. If I knew what was coming I'm sure they did.
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As above, forget 1st half as everyone was crap
Much better 2nd but missed out
Enjoyed reaction to Grealish, mainly boos, some clapping but Holte singing :Villa till I die:
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First ten minutes or so were terrifying. The rest of the first half was not much better. Not seen the second half yet but it came across quite well.
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Cash was awful with his crossing tonight. Really poor. Buendia was shit 1st half but good better 2nd.
I thought the subs chuk and sanson did well when they came on.
Young also did really well.
1st half lost that game, we just were poor .
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Reminded me a little of the Cup final last year. We gave them too much respect in the first half, had one great chance for an equaliser in the second but ultimately not enough. We actually played a lot better in the second half of this game.
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Well done Villa, much better 2nd half, Ollie MOTM superb tonight, if only Chuck could have put that chance away.
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First 20 mins they were nice.
Two gaols that we could have stopped.
Second half they were lucky.
Nothing to be ashamed of tonight.
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Thought Ashley was our catalyst when he came on.Excellent.
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Poor first half, good second half. Deserved something from it.
Ref was weak, let them get away with constant niggly fouls, there was a period in the 2nd half where they kicked us every time we got into their 3rd, he should've taken control and given a yellow card because it was clearly designed to break up play. Pen would've been soft but, as someone said on the match thread, it was more of a foul than the one Kane got against us.
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That could have been a pen.
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The second half took some grabbing ourselves by ****, and we did, which gives me confidence. Ollie was awesome, Luiz looked better given more responsibility. Citeh awesome 1st half, we stopped them being that 2nd
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I think out of all our summer signings Ashley youngs been the best. He was excellent again tonight
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Very nervy start. Ironically we kept them at bay in their most dominant spell. Then they scored as we were starting to get into the game a bit more, and from an annoyingly unexpected source. Their second goal was a touch of class.
Second half we were excellent. Beundia had his best game for us overall (based on the second half). Douglas was excellent. Cash very good. Ollie lead the line very well. McGinn raised it up second half.
We can still work on final third decision making and eradicating sloppy passes. Everyone was guilty of that at points today.
Sanson's performance was good too. A nice reminder that we might have a quality player there.
We gave a good account of ourselves. I just fucking hate 'plucky underdog' defeats like this. We deserved a draw.
One particular note... we need to stop pissing about with the passing at the back against pressing sides. Just hit it long and push out. Thankfully, where Dean would have persisted, Gerrard switched tac, and we ended up stretching them by hitting out quicker.
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Great response to the first half mullering - I was thinking 4 or 5 but we came back well and could have snatched a draw. Their bench was fucking mental.
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Prime's coverage is so, so fawning
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That could have been a pen.
I thought it was a pen but they didn’t spend much time on it. Would’ve been different up the other end. But it looked to me that Ake kicked Konsa in the back of the leg and Konsa actually kicked the ball out even though a corner was given.
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A disappointing result for me. Could have nicked a point and that's what the team deserved.
Chucky should have scored but he'll learn.
The second half performance was much better and there were some positives.
Buendia still struggling.
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I thought overall we did well against a very good side. Targetts injury stopped our flow a bit which was a shame, plenty of effort throughout and some good / improved performances from players that were not playing great earlier in the season.
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Prime's coverage is so, so fawning
I mean Amazon being sanguine about obscene, monopolising, untrammelled and unaccountable wealth isn't a huge surprise.
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Prime's coverage is so, so fawning
Way over the top.
If they mention City's injuries once more..
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For all that it was end to end and all of that, Man City scratching out a one-goal away win is the height of tedium. Honestly if their owners fucked off tomorrow and left them to go out of business it would be a good day.
Definitely. The most artificial and soulless winning machine I've ever seen.
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show us your fucking European cup !!
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Prime's interviewer for the managers pre/post match was so bad. Pre-prepared plastic questions, subtlety of a brick. Don't like her.
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Great second half. I really feared a hiding at half time. Excellent first goal by Watkins and we created the big chance for the equaliser but unfortunately Chucky couldn't convert. I was totally against his appointment but I must say Gerrard got some tune out of our players in the second half against arguably the best team in Europe. Do think we need to lay off the long throws and deep free kicks. Don't think any of them remotely worked.
Martinez 7 - maybe a bit harsh blaming him for first with Targett ducking out of way 5 or 6 yards ahead of him
Cash 7 - gave his all up against Sterling.
Konsa 7 - solid as per usual
Mings 6 - very poor positioning for second goal, did well apart from that
Targett 5 - tried hard but less said about his effort to block first the better
Nakamba 7 - very solid performance from a guy I don't rate much
McGinn 5 - lost in general midfield play but good crosses and moments around their box, has to move further forward now with Bailey out
Luiz 9 - our best player by a long way in both halves. Excellent assist too, good deliveries all night and spiky in tackle
Bailey 3 - unfortunate injury but rubbish in time he was on, appalling effort to block first goal
Watkins 7 - quality goal, tough night at times but kept going
Buendia 5 - lost for about 70 mins but finished very strongly including the brilliant ball to Chucky for our chance
Young 7 - very good again when coming in
Chucky 5 - pace of game was too much for him but could have become a hero with the goal chance
Sanson 7 - this lad is a player, will be starting for us soon I think
Thought it somewhat sad that Pep only saw fit to give our former talisman 5 mins tonight at a time that City were under pressure. Thought he stood out even at that. Just another player for them.
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Great response in the second half. It looked to have caught Citeh out. They were probably expecting an easy second half.
Refs needs to really clamp down on the rotational counter attack fouling they do. It beggars belief that Rodri was not booked. Without the bookings it just allows them to do it again and again. Oh for a Carew today in the second half against their backline.
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Good to see Sanson getting used.
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Well, that performance confirms that we're a work in progress.
The most important word being PROGRESS.
We're definitely heading in the right direction.
Last season that would have been a 0-4 or 0-5 thrashing.
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Good to see Sanson getting used.
Yep looked quite handy in his brief spell. Hopefully might add a bit of control and drive to the midfield.
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Well, that performance confirms that we're a work in progress.
The most important word being PROGRESS.
We're definitely heading in the right direction.
Last season that would have been a 0-4 or 0-5 thrashing.
Really not sure that’s true
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Really loathe Citeh. Feared for us at half time but spirited display. Couple of really big chances to equalise as well. I can kind of see why we resorted to the long throws again but they didn't work.
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Well, that performance confirms that we're a work in progress.
The most important word being PROGRESS.
We're definitely heading in the right direction.
Last season that would have been a 0-4 or 0-5 thrashing.
Really not sure that’s true
I think it might have been if Dean had of stayed TBH.
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It's looking really positive for me as there seems to be plenty of options and we've a manager who doesn't seem reluctant to use them.
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Well, that performance confirms that we're a work in progress.
The most important word being PROGRESS.
We're definitely heading in the right direction.
Last season that would have been a 0-4 or 0-5 thrashing.
Last season was also a 2-1 loss, so not sure what this means.
To-day's result was a positive loss based on the 2nd half performance by the sounds of it. I'm fully expecting Villa to beat Leicester Sunday.
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I was expecting the worst 2nd half but fair play, whilst not making their keeper work enough we actually had them sort of pegged in a bit which I wasn't expecting. I can see we are playing better overall.
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At HT I said there'd be a big difference between a 4 or 5-0 capitulation or a 2-1 (win the second half) defeat. Glad it was the latter and sounds like there were plenty of positives in there. The circus around Jack's return is over, other results weren't bad for us so on to Saturday and hopefully 3 points.
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Thought we were game out there, obv they were way better first half but we never gave up & chased everything rather than waving the white flag.
As others have said Douglas was excellent & the cameo from Sanson was encouraging. Gerrard is certainly looking at the options in the middle.
That was the best seen Watkins work and play in a while, hopefully that is sign of things to come.
The fannying around at the back is a worry - Emi, Konsa and Mings aren’t good enough on the ball to play like that against a side playing such a high press.
Was it a penalty? I didn’t think so but sure as hell know it would have been given if other way round, particularly knowing that VAR was Friend it was never going to be given.
Thought Dean actually had a good game, let a few things go and it wasn’t the usual all about him performance.
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Really encouraging second half. Nakamba and Samson caught the eye, which I'm chuffed about.
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Great second half. I really feared a hiding at half time. Excellent first goal by Watkins and we created the big chance for the equaliser but unfortunately Chucky couldn't convert. I was totally against his appointment but I must say Gerrard got some tune out of our players in the second half against arguably the best team in Europe. Do think we need to lay off the long throws and deep free kicks. Don't think any of them remotely worked.
Martinez 7 - maybe a bit harsh blaming him for first with Targett ducking out of way 5 or 6 yards ahead of him
Cash 7 - gave his all up against Sterling.
Konsa 7 - solid as per usual
Mings 6 - very poor positioning for second goal, did well apart from that
Targett 5 - tried hard but less said about his effort to block first the better
Nakamba 7 - very solid performance from a guy I don't rate much
McGinn 5 - lost in general midfield play but good crosses and moments around their box, has to move further forward now with Bailey out
Luiz 9 - our best player by a long way in both halves. Excellent assist too, good deliveries all night and spiky in tackle
Bailey 3 - unfortunate injury but rubbish in time he was on, appalling effort to block first goal
Watkins 7 - quality goal, tough night at times but kept going
Buendia 5 - lost for about 70 mins but finished very strongly including the brilliant ball to Chucky for our chance
Young 7 - very good again when coming in
Chucky 5 - pace of game was too much for him but could have become a hero with the goal chance
Sanson 7 - this lad is a player, will be starting for us soon I think
Thought it somewhat sad that Pep only saw fit to give our former talisman 5 mins tonight at a time that City were under pressure. Thought he stood out even at that. Just another player for them.
Harsh on McGinn IMO and Luiz improvement in the 2nd half was like night and day from the 1st half when he was anonymous.
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Aston Villa boss Steven Gerrard speaking to BBC Sport:
"The performance second half was really good. It maybe deserved that we take something from the game. We lacked a bit of belief at the start of the first half. That is a combination of them having top players and manager. We got a foothold and then conceded. The second goal we could have stopped the game higher up the pitch. The reaction I got, I can't ask for more. I think the fans appreciated that. We have come so closer to getting something from the game.
"We are playing against a team that have just been to the European Cup final, have world class players and possibly the best manager in the world. We appreciate what we are up against. But to take them to the end that is a real positive. I can't ask for ore effort.
"We scored a fantastic goal from a set play. Ollie was unplayable at times. Young kid comes on and his big moment comes. Keeper makes a save but he will learn from that. We also has real decent shout for a penalty. I don't understand why the referee didn't look at the screen."
On Leon Bailey: "He was starting to look a real threat in training. We will analyse his injury in the coming days. It looks like he will miss at least a couple of games."
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First half was the usual give them too much respect type half.
Much much better second half. Must take that into Sunday and I think we'll get something off Leicester.
Wouldn't surprise me if Chuck got a start as midfield didn't really work tonight although of course up against world class opposition.
Did Man. City sign Bernardo Silva for that much more than Buendia? That's the type of classy playmaker who'd make huge difference in our team as unrealistic as it is to expect to sign him.
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We got belted first half,we are a decent side,thankfully.UTV
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Just back and although we were much better second half I still think fitness and being a good number of years away in terms of quality told. The most pleasing thing for me tonight was listening to Gerrard after the game and he clearly knows what the weaknesses are of the team. The fitness of the m all is very poor in general, even matty cash was blowing after 2 lengths of the pitch!! Once he gets them up to speed we can start to look to improve. I just don't know if we can get to the level we want and i hate feeling that way.
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Aston Villa boss Steven Gerrard speaking to BBC Sport:
"The performance second half was really good. It maybe deserved that we take something from the game. We lacked a bit of belief at the start of the first half. That is a combination of them having top players and manager. We got a foothold and then conceded. The second goal we could have stopped the game higher up the pitch. The reaction I got, I can't ask for more. I think the fans appreciated that. We have come so closer to getting something from the game.
"We are playing against a team that have just been to the European Cup final, have world class players and possibly the best manager in the world. We appreciate what we are up against. But to take them to the end that is a real positive. I can't ask for ore effort.
"We scored a fantastic goal from a set play. Ollie was unplayable at times. Young kid comes on and his big moment comes. Keeper makes a save but he will learn from that. We also has real decent shout for a penalty. I don't understand why the referee didn't look at the screen."
On Leon Bailey: "He was starting to look a real threat in training. We will analyse his injury in the coming days. It looks like he will miss at least a couple of games."
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I'm glad to see the manager highlighting decisions. It doesn't matter to me how much of a penalty it was or wasn't; it's about putting the refs under pressure when they officiate our games so that they know they'll be under the media spotlight if they get it wrong. That's definitely something Gerrard's standing and media presence in the game will give us. Especially if it gets his mate Carragher talking about it. When O'Neill took over as manager we started getting way more decisions go for us than before.
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Great second half. I really feared a hiding at half time. Excellent first goal by Watkins and we created the big chance for the equaliser but unfortunately Chucky couldn't convert. I was totally against his appointment but I must say Gerrard got some tune out of our players in the second half against arguably the best team in Europe. Do think we need to lay off the long throws and deep free kicks. Don't think any of them remotely worked.
Martinez 7 - maybe a bit harsh blaming him for first with Targett ducking out of way 5 or 6 yards ahead of him
Cash 7 - gave his all up against Sterling.
Konsa 7 - solid as per usual
Mings 6 - very poor positioning for second goal, did well apart from that
Targett 5 - tried hard but less said about his effort to block first the better
Nakamba 7 - very solid performance from a guy I don't rate much
McGinn 5 - lost in general midfield play but good crosses and moments around their box, has to move further forward now with Bailey out
Luiz 9 - our best player by a long way in both halves. Excellent assist too, good deliveries all night and spiky in tackle
Bailey 3 - unfortunate injury but rubbish in time he was on, appalling effort to block first goal
Watkins 7 - quality goal, tough night at times but kept going
Buendia 5 - lost for about 70 mins but finished very strongly including the brilliant ball to Chucky for our chance
Young 7 - very good again when coming in
Chucky 5 - pace of game was too much for him but could have become a hero with the goal chance
Sanson 7 - this lad is a player, will be starting for us soon I think
Thought it somewhat sad that Pep only saw fit to give our former talisman 5 mins tonight at a time that City were under pressure. Thought he stood out even at that. Just another player for them.
This must be a first. I agree fully with Brontebilly. I think he must be mellowing.
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Marv was great tonight.
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Good to see the future King watching us.
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Great second half. We showed up and could have easily drawn the game.
Ollie was superb. Buendia is baffling. He actually worked hard and showed good glimpses of both vision and skill. Is it just confidence? Nakamba seemed much better at passing tonight. Bailey looked terrible before the he injury. Almost playing with 10 men. Bold changes by Gerrard. UTV
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I was encouraged by that second half and a draw wouldn't have been totally undeserved. We had them rattled at times and pressed much better. That first half was so frustrating given how we improved after the break. They didn't create much in the second half when Luiz was outstanding.
I thought we were better without Bailey although sorry for him he got injured and I think Ashley Young did well again.
Contrary to some views..I think more people were applauding Grealish or not booing than those who were booing; certainly around where I was.
The term 'classy' is overused nowadays, but people booing one of our best ever players didn't really show much class.
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The annoying thing was Mike Dean tolerating the tactical tag team fouling from Rodri, Cancelo and Fernandinho. It was deliberately done in our half to stop us getting out. Fernandinho also lunged a couple of times but missed.
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Without resulting to clichés it was a game of two halves. We were the timid Villa against the high flyers of the last couple of seasons in the first half, second half I thought there were glimpses of how things will be under Gerrard and a real improvement was seen.
I thought Gerrard’s comment about the second goal was interesting, he said we should have broken play up in their half to prevent the counter a attack. We will learn.
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Plenty of reasons for encouragement in that second half performance, need to play with that level of belief for the full 90. Some decent performances and Gerrard’s substitutes were bold, I liked it.
Bailey’s fitness issues a bit of a concern though, he just can’t seem to get going.
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Putting the ball out of play whilst their player was feigning injury might have helped.
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Sloppy at times, first half. Playing out from the back ridiculous.
2nd Half much,much better and encouraging subs
Feels like we have wasted all the Grealish money
Bailey always going to be injured,Ings is Injury prone and Buendia is a Championship player. Our old regulars and Academy players are keeping us going .terrible recruitment
Freezing cold
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Just watched Oliie's goal again. Brilliant set-piece. Fuck Citeh!
I noticed they ran straight over to Nanny McPhee high fiving him after that.
Excellent second half.
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Sloppy at times, first half. Playing out from the back ridiculous.
2nd Half much,much better and encouraging subs
Feels like we have wasted all the Grealish money
Bailey always going to be injured,Ings is Injury prone and Buendia is a Championship player. Our old regulars and Academy players are keeping us going .terrible recruitment
Freezing cold
Yawn.
You must be keeping right on with the result with your tiny heathen mates.
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How many times can you make the same mistake? There is a time to play the ball from the back, and there are times when you shouldn't. I'm leaving it there because I need to sleep and don't want to work myself up again. Some very good performances. Bailey needs proper treatment and rest, his injuries appear to be recurring and he'd benefit from a well managed break. Nakamba and Young again played well. Luiz was more involved. Good finish from Watkins. A couple of moments from Buendia to give me some hope. We've had much poorer performances against Citeh than that, and would have buckled in past matches. Onwards and, fingers crossed, upwards.
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Enough of that, please.
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I've been critical of Bunedia but that slide pass to set up Chucky was sublime.
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Enough of that, please.
Hopefully not aimed at me?
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I was encouraged by that second half and a draw wouldn't have been totally undeserved. We had them rattled at times and pressed much better. That first half was so frustrating given how we improved after the break. They didn't create much in the second half when Luiz was outstanding.
I thought we were better without Bailey although sorry for him he got injured and I think Ashley Young did well again.
Contrary to some views..I think more people were applauding Grealish or not booing than those who were booing; certainly around where I was.
The term 'classy' is overused nowadays, but people booing one of our best ever players didn't really show much class.
Timid first half, but thought we more than matched them in the second. Thought we began to get a bit of parity in midfield during the second period and Sanson fitted in pretty well in the system when he came on. It was a big ask for Chuk tonight and he had a golden opportunity, which he didn't take.
Importantly though, I think we ended the second half with some momentum to take forward, as it was looking a bit ominous at half time and a real pasting might have undone a lot of the positivity from the last two weeks.
As for Jack Grealish, think there was more applause than booing by the end where I was sat. As the bloke next to me said, we probably wouldn't be where we are now if it wasn't him for him.
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Why should we be happy clapping a player who wears another club shirt, the days of Aston Villa doffing the cap to our masters are over, they pay there money so are entitled too,fed up of being nice Aston Villa stuff them if they don't like it,on the first half performance like many disappointed, but second half vast in improvement, lessons learned by Gerrard, Tagget tried to head the ball for the first goal, look like he didn't duck out of the way but missed the bloody thing
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I’d start Sanson on Sunday. He’s a senior player who needs to be front of the pecking order. Every touch he had tonight was quality. 👌🏼
Sacrifice a winger to go with a midfield of Marv, Doug, Sanson and McGinn, with Buendia floating around Ollie.
Also thought Buendia grew into the game tonight, hopefully starting to hit some kind of form.
Bailey on the other hand?! Barring his cameo against a shite Everton side, has he done anything of any significance in a villa shirt yet?
And as for City… fuck watching that week in week out. They literally ‘bore’d the ball into the goal. No bums off seats moments, just tippy tappy sideways bullshit until the opposition lose interest and fall asleep.
Oh. And ‘VTID’! 👍🏼
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Enjoyable loss if there is such a thing. They’re very good with the ball but didn’t create that many chances. We got into them second half and deserved something out of it.
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Enough of that, please.
Hopefully not aimed at me?
Errr, no. See the post above yours.
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The failure to pull up Stockport City for that fouling was infuriating.
As for applauding our ex player onto the pitch as he attempts to help his team defeat us? Nonplussed.
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Pleasantly encouraged by that. First half there were a few glimpses of what we could do. Poor first goal to concede and undone by a bit of quality for the second though Mings/Konsa seemed to mix up the playing for offside. Second half though we suddenly realised that pushing into both Rodri and Fernandinho really unsettled them and gave us much more of a foothold and created some pressure but not too many chances. I think I counted 12 fouls by Fernandinho and at least 7 or 8 by Rodri, pair of fouling ****** and Mike Dean as ever never looked like getting his book out. And by Christ Citeh are a fucking boring watch, great technicians and ball carriers but fuck me it’s tedious. Encouraging little appearances from Chuk and Sanson.
I couldn’t take the train today as no trains back to my part of the world with that KO time and I remembered why I don’t like driving. Getting off the M6 onto the expressway is a queue for 20 mins, parking is a pain in the arse, running back to your car so you don’t get caught in traffic is a pain in the arse and generally feeling much more stressed is a pain in the arse.
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Very decent second half, and if Ollie had buried that chance as he should have who knows?
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I've been critical of Bunedia but that slide pass to set up Chucky was sublime.
More so the whole move started with him breaking the lines in midfield. That chance was entirely down to him. He has a pretty good second half I thought - looks a confidence player, and hopefully that confidence is coming…
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Well, that performance confirms that we're a work in progress.
The most important word being PROGRESS.
We're definitely heading in the right direction.
Last season that would have been a 0-4 or 0-5 thrashing.
Really not sure that’s true
Its not true as last season was 1-2 as well.
However whilst we were outplayed for the the whole game last year, this tear we were outplayed for the first half. I thought we were better team 2nd half and deserved a draw.
I thought for last 20 mins we finally saw why we’ve paid that money for Beundia
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The term 'classy' is overused nowadays, but people booing one of our best ever players didn't really show much class.
Well Ratboy wouldn't know class if it presented itself in his face.
He doesn't deserve any fawning and going on a fucking walkabout at the end to be last man off? ******.
Plenty did applaud him, and plenty gave him some too. Me included. He couldn't wait to fuck off. We owe him nothing. He owed us for turning a blind eye all those years. He owed the club for what he's become.
I'm glad he chipped it off the side of the pitch, as I said at the time, it slipped off his greasy boot. I'm glad he put a shit ball through that went over the goal line. Anyway at least we don't have to think about him again for a few months.
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And tonight, that second goal was a tasty finish, perfect counter attack.
We just didn't do to them what they do to everyone else. Close down the space get into them fouls and niggle all the time. When we started to we were far better.
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The term 'classy' is overused nowadays, but people booing one of our best ever players didn't really show much class.
Well Ratboy wouldn't know class if it presented itself in his face.
He doesn't deserve any fawning and going on a fucking walkabout at the end to be last man off? ******.
Plenty did applaud him, and plenty gave him some too. Me included. He couldn't wait to fuck off. We owe him nothing. He owed us for turning a blind eye all those years. He owed the club for what he's become.
I'm glad he chipped it off the side of the pitch, as I said at the time, it slipped off his greasy boot. I'm glad he put a shit ball through that went over the goal line. Anyway at least we don't have to think about him again for a few months.
Well said. Far more boos from what I could hear than applause. Talk Sport were trying to spin the Villa Till I Die song as being in support of him, which it very clearly wasn't.
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And I got a parking ticket for parking on a grass verge, not on the road, not on a yellow, or in a permit space. Arse.
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The term 'classy' is overused nowadays, but people booing one of our best ever players didn't really show much class.
Well Ratboy wouldn't know class if it presented itself in his face.
He doesn't deserve any fawning and going on a fucking walkabout at the end to be last man off? ******.
Plenty did applaud him, and plenty gave him some too. Me included. He couldn't wait to fuck off. We owe him nothing. He owed us for turning a blind eye all those years. He owed the club for what he's become.
I'm glad he chipped it off the side of the pitch, as I said at the time, it slipped off his greasy boot. I'm glad he put a shit ball through that went over the goal line. Anyway at least we don't have to think about him again for a few months.
Well said. Far more boos from what I could hear than applause. Talk Sport were trying to spin the Villa Till I Die song as being in support of him, which it very clearly wasn't.
Absolutely.
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Passive first half, giving them far too much room and time to switch the ball endlessly (and tediously) without laying a glove on them. The finishes for their goals were good, but we made it easy.
Bailey not closing and Mings off on his travels. Two preventable chances.
In fairness, beyond the swivel hit in the 2nd half, they didn't threaten us with anything meaningful.
They're clearly a brilliant side. One of the best in Europe and the world. But they're tedious. They strangle games and bore you into making an error. They're the Mayweather of football. All that money and all that talent, obviously one of the greatest about, but fuck me, they could send a glass eye to sleep.
2nd half was much better. The press, the effort and getting amongst their back four. Ollie played well and held it up and ran them excellently. Chuck did well when he came on and should have scored. Lovely move and set up by Buendia, who continues to be a puzzle. Marv looking a Premier League player and Dougie excellent too. Glad Sanson was a positive when he came on, I have genuine hopes for him.
Wasn't expecting anything, but pleased with the performance.
As for Grealish, I booed the ******. Lacking class? I'm Villa through and fucking through to my core. This is my club. Its why I'm not home yet at quarter to 1 on a Wednesday. Why I have a 10 hour round drive planned for the 14th. Why if we ever get relegated again, I'll be there. Why if we get into Europe again, I'll be there for the flashy trips to Prague and Hamburg and the lesser supported two years running trips to the likes of Vienna. "Because it means everything to me" and I actually mean it. Like it means everything to you too and anybody that pours and ounce of soul into this glorious thing of ours that is Aston Villa.
That fucking fraud tried to fuck off to Spurs, tried to fuck off to Yanited and eventually fucked off to those dull, soulless, plastic human rights abusing ******. For his inevitable shiny baubles and his place in the pantheon of "did they play for us?" like Navas and Shaun Wright Philips. He could have been a Totti, he could have helped keep a good Villa man in a job, he could have chosen immortality, but he didn't. Because he's a lying rat, ******. He isn't one of us.
Fuck knows what possessed anybody to clap a Man City player, never mind him.
Villa till I die. Abso-fucking-lutely.
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I am with Ads.
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I am with Ads.
100%.
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Just home. Very encouraged by tonight. Our shape in the second half and the higher press really unsettled City. Shame about Bailey. Another injury is not what's needed coming up to Xmas.
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Why do teams give them so much space? Get into them. Do what they do, leave one on the opposition, niggle, foul, push, shove and get into their face.
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What Ads said.
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They're clearly a brilliant side. One of the best in Europe and the world. But they're tedious. They strangle games and bore you into making an error. They're the Mayweather of football. All that money and all that talent, obviously one of the greatest about, but fuck me, they could send a glass eye to sleep.
Yup, bang on.
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I've been critical of Bunedia but that slide pass to set up Chucky was sublime.
More so the whole move started with him breaking the lines in midfield. That chance was entirely down to him. He has a pretty good second half I thought - looks a confidence player, and hopefully that confidence is coming…
Getting a full game under his belt will have helped too.
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The term 'classy' is overused nowadays, but people booing one of our best ever players didn't really show much class.
Well Ratboy wouldn't know class if it presented itself in his face.
He doesn't deserve any fawning and going on a fucking walkabout at the end to be last man off? ******.
Plenty did applaud him, and plenty gave him some too. Me included. He couldn't wait to fuck off. We owe him nothing. He owed us for turning a blind eye all those years. He owed the club for what he's become.
I'm glad he chipped it off the side of the pitch, as I said at the time, it slipped off his greasy boot. I'm glad he put a shit ball through that went over the goal line. Anyway at least we don't have to think about him again for a few months.
Well said. Far more boos from what I could hear than applause. Talk Sport were trying to spin the Villa Till I Die song as being in support of him, which it very clearly wasn't.
Wow, that's a stretch. I guess 'I'm Villa till I die, or at least until a better offer comes along because I'm a mercenary chav' didn't catch on.
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I couldn’t take the train today as no trains back to my part of the world with that KO time and I remembered why I don’t like driving. Getting off the M6 onto the expressway is a queue for 20 mins, parking is a pain in the arse, running back to your car so you don’t get caught in traffic is a pain in the arse and generally feeling much more stressed is a pain in the arse.
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We drive down from Rochdale and Manchester (But not tonight !). We get off at J7 as there are more options, i.e. onto Walsall Road, turn left down Queslett Road, then Aldridge Road, Greenholm Road, Kingstanding Road, Crossway Lane, College Road, The Ridgeway, turn left onto Brookvale Road & park outside the shops on left or Walsall Road, turn left on Church Road, College Road, then The Ridgeway as before. About 15-20 minutes walk topside to VP and you can walk past all the traffic after the game as they crawl along Brookvale Road !
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Passive first half, giving them far too much room and time to switch the ball endlessly (and tediously) without laying a glove on them. The finishes for their goals were good, but we made it easy.
Bailey not closing and Mings off on his travels. Two preventable chances.
In fairness, beyond the swivel hit in the 2nd half, they didn't threaten us with anything meaningful.
They're clearly a brilliant side. One of the best in Europe and the world. But they're tedious. They strangle games and bore you into making an error. They're the Mayweather of football. All that money and all that talent, obviously one of the greatest about, but fuck me, they could send a glass eye to sleep.
2nd half was much better. The press, the effort and getting amongst their back four. Ollie played well and held it up and ran them excellently. Chuck did well when he came on and should have scored. Lovely move and set up by Buendia, who continues to be a puzzle. Marv looking a Premier League player and Dougie excellent too. Glad Sanson was a positive when he came on, I have genuine hopes for him.
Wasn't expecting anything, but pleased with the performance.
As for Grealish, I booed the ******. Lacking class? I'm Villa through and fucking through to my core. This is my club. Its why I'm not home yet at quarter to 1 on a Wednesday. Why I have a 10 hour round drive planned for the 14th. Why if we ever get relegated again, I'll be there. Why if we get into Europe again, I'll be there for the flashy trips to Prague and Hamburg and the lesser supported two years running trips to the likes of Vienna. "Because it means everything to me" and I actually mean it. Like it means everything to you too and anybody that pours and ounce of soul into this glorious thing of ours that is Aston Villa.
That fucking fraud tried to fuck off to Spurs, tried to fuck off to Yanited and eventually fucked off to those dull, soulless, plastic human rights abusing ******. For his inevitable shiny baubles and his place in the pantheon of "did they play for us?" like Navas and Shaun Wright Philips. He could have been a Totti, he could have helped keep a good Villa man in a job, he could have chosen immortality, but he didn't. Because he's a lying rat, ******. He isn't one of us.
Fuck knows what possessed anybody to clap a Man City player, never mind him.
Villa till I die. Abso-fucking-lutely.
Standing ovation. Stolen for Facebook
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Oh and agreed on the Grealish/classy bollocks. I don't condone personal abuse in any form, but he left because he thought he was better than us and absolutely deserves boos. Anything less would be sycophantic and anti-competitive.
Football is based on emotional attachment and tribalism. Anybody who expects us to applaud a mercenary who left us because some dodgy owners could provide him with medals through a husk of a football club can fuck off, as far as I'm concerned.
This isn't wishing a mate all the best in his/her future career. This is a ****** who could've lived two lifetimes on the money we've already paid him, choosing to ditch us.
Rationalise it however you want on a personal level. But if we as a fanbase accept his logic, we might as well give up.
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I think out of all our summer signings Ashley youngs been the best. He was excellent again tonight
Given his performances under Gerrard, I'd agree. I suppose the jury is still out on the big money signings - let's hope we'll asses them more positively at the end of the season but certainly underwhelming so far.
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They were all over us like a rash at the start mainly due to standing off them and allowing them to play their passing game, but we gradually came back in to it. First goal should have been blocked but the second was a good counter and excellent finish. We came out fighting in the second half and proud of that performance as they all dug in showing great team spirit…on another day and with more clinical finishing we come out of that with a draw but it wasn’t meant to be. Plenty of positives to take from that game and they’ll learn from it. Overall we look a much better team these last few weeks and it’s genuinely exciting to see how we are progressing already. Looking forward to Sunday.
Edit: special mentions for Sanson and Chuck who both looked good and showed great promise when the game on. Disappointed Bailey is injured yet AGAIN.
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Couldn’t watch the game due to work. Mid afternoon here. But watching the game tonight while we seemed very intimidated to start with, by the end of the first half and much of the second we were very much Man City’s equal. Especially the last 20 min we played with a tenacity I haven’t seen from us in a long while. Doug and Buendia were very good indeed. McGinn was everywhere and Ollie led the line superbly. Great to see Sanson look good when he came on.
Such a shame young Chucky didn’t fire that one home. Wouldn’t have flattered us at all if it ended a draw.
If we play like that against every team the rest of the way we will win more than we lose. Very encouraging to see.
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John McGinn played a very defensive role in the first half which changed after the break and gave us more impetus, Bailey is trying to hard and not looking for the easy option, he will get better. Watkins played at his best, the ball stuck and he caused them problems. I am a little miffed that the players did not work out early that playing the ball out of defence wasn't an option, all it did was pile on the pressure. Sanson did well when he came on, just wonder how fit he is.
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Our best chances in the first half came from drawing them onto us by playing it out from the back. It was terrifying to watch though.
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Not much mention of the penalty decision on here.
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City in the 1st half were fantastic, there passing and movement and the way they closed us down was fantastic
Both Silva (for me he was brilliant) and Sterling who tormented Cash was excellent
2nd half us scoring early made a difference to the game, we could and should of equalised
You can see by the way that Gerrard wants the team to play that he wants centre-halves who are comfortable on the ball - I would imagine this will be priority in January.
Grealish - i don't think he will lose too much sleep over the reception he got from the Villa fans, I have had worse abuse when I have walked into a pub on a Saturday night!
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They're clearly a brilliant side. One of the best in Europe and the world. But they're tedious. They strangle games and bore you into making an error. They're the Mayweather of football. All that money and all that talent, obviously one of the greatest about, but fuck me, they could send a glass eye to sleep.
Yup, bang on.
Cashed up Brighton & Hove Albion.
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I cannot believe how many people actually clapped that greasy wanker.
Shameful.
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I cannot believe how many people actually clapped that greasy wanker.
Shameful.
To be fair, 'Villa til I Die' was a great response I thought. Everyone seemed to get behind that.
I'm not going to criticise those that clapped, they have their reasons, there were a lot in the North. But I was much more right giving him abuse.
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Long way to go boys but Gerrard is the right man at the right time for Aston Villa.🦁
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I thought we were good last night, obviously better in the 2nd half. We were much better when Young came on. I think Bailey is a great player but he’s no where near PL intensity and that’s probably why he’s getting injured so often. He looks lazy to me at the moment but I’m sure when he gets up to PL speed he’ll be fine.
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Only saw the first half so can’t really comment on the match overall. I didn’t think we were all that bad really in the first half. They were both excellent goals by MC. Saw Grealish laughing when the cameras panned to him after the first went in- he soon stopped when he realised he was on camera. Prick. That second goal was the best I’ve seen for a long time. A touch of the Van Basten’s about it. Thought maybe Martinez could’ve maybe done a bit better as he was well placed but maybe a bit far off his line to really do anything. 2-1 at least is respectable. Dunno if we were a lot better 2nd half or MC just eased off?
The way they get all over you with the pressing is just stifling. We didn’t help ourselves with the short passing fancying about with it at the back. Thought Buendia did quite well. Still not convinced on Bailey though.
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They are undoubtedly a great team and have got some brilliant players but one of those is a niggly dirty so and so who fouls constantly to break up play. We certainly need a Fernandinho type in our team.
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Watkins played much better I thought, the ball stuck to him a bit more. Buendia has some great moments, Bailey needs to relax and be a team player, Luiz and Nakamba did great, the latter is doing really well at the moment.
I do not like us having 4 or 5 players in our own box at kick off. It's so deep and asking for trouble, like the moment Martinez played it out for a corner.
Much better second half. Nearly got something out of the game. First half was bloody hard to watch though. There goals were both as a result of them pressing so much. Ours was thanks to MacPhee. Luiz went over to him during the post goal celebrations.
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Only saw the first half so can’t really comment on the match overall. I didn’t think we were all that bad really in the first half. They were both excellent goals by MC. Saw Grealish laughing when the cameras panned to him after the first went in- he soon stopped when he realised he was on camera. Prick. That second goal was the best I’ve seen for a long time. A touch of the Van Basten’s about it. Thought maybe Martinez could’ve maybe done a bit better as he was well placed but maybe a bit far off his line to really do anything. 2-1 at least is respectable. Dunno if we were a lot better 2nd half or MC just eased off?
The way they get all over you with the pressing is just stifling. We didn’t help ourselves with the short passing fancying about with it at the back. Thought Buendia did quite well. Still not convinced on Bailey though.
if Martinez is on his line , he saves the second.
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Why do teams give them so much space? Get into them. Do what they do, leave one on the opposition, niggle, foul, push, shove and get into their face.
Exactement. We were chasing autographs for most of the first half...
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Fantastic 2nd half, and probably deserved something at the end. The best I’ve seen us play for some time.
I didn’t think we were that awful first half, either.
It was just that they were brilliant. Their closing down was so quick it was forcing errors, and for all their possession they only scored twice.
Yes, there were parts we, maybe, should have done better, but we certainly weren’t as bad as some are suggesting.
When we beat Liverpool everyone was morning that all the emphasis was on how poor they were, not how good we were
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Grealish's proud family were guests in Christian Purslow's box last night alongside Prince William who enjoyed his first Villa Park visit of the season, with the future king watching Villa's former prince play out the final few minutes.
(From the Meaning Evil). Purslow really is the starstruck sort.
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I cannot believe how many people actually clapped that greasy wanker.
Shameful.
To be fair, 'Villa til I Die' was a great response I thought. Everyone seemed to get behind that.
I'm not going to criticise those that clapped, they have their reasons, there were a lot in the North. But I was much more right giving him abuse.
The ‘Villa till I Die’ chant was the perfect response. Whether it bothered Grealish is neither here nor there but the message would have got through. A mixed response from our support is understandable. There’s the “After all he’s done for us” argument but equally those people should recognise what the club has done for him. His lap of appreciation at the end of the match I didn’t see. Was it a nice gesture? I suppose it was.
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Good to see the future King watching us.
Future president perhaps #bitofpolitics
Tyldesley's sycophantic comments in this regard was the first thing that had me reaching for the Stadium Sound Only button...
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Only saw the first half so can’t really comment on the match overall. I didn’t think we were all that bad really in the first half. They were both excellent goals by MC. Saw Grealish laughing when the cameras panned to him after the first went in- he soon stopped when he realised he was on camera. Prick. That second goal was the best I’ve seen for a long time. A touch of the Van Basten’s about it. Thought maybe Martinez could’ve maybe done a bit better as he was well placed but maybe a bit far off his line to really do anything. 2-1 at least is respectable. Dunno if we were a lot better 2nd half or MC just eased off?
The way they get all over you with the pressing is just stifling. We didn’t help ourselves with the short passing fancying about with it at the back. Thought Buendia did quite well. Still not convinced on Bailey though.
if Martinez is on his line , he saves the second.
If he’d been on his line the player would likely have had time to control it and score. It was a brilliant, controlled finish.
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Thought Nakamba was excellent with a couple of tackles that Alan Evans would have been proud of.
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Why do teams give them so much space? Get into them. Do what they do, leave one on the opposition, niggle, foul, push, shove and get into their face.
Exactement. We were chasing autographs for most of the first half...
I agree and disagree with this. Agree on the basis that pressing them and getting in their face can work well against teams. Disagree on the basis that all their players have the ability to withstand any press and pressure and if it isn’t perfect every time they will punish you. They have quality in every position emphasised by the fact that our star player for a number of seasons who went to them was only a sub.
We did well in the game for where we are now in our development. A bit of better finishing might have got us a point.
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We needed t be a lot more careful with the ball when we got it. Cash crossing the ball to no where did not help.
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Anyone else think the crowd has been really flat the past few games? Quite disappointed by it last night considering who was returning - Thought there would be more of an Everton (couple of seasons ago) feel to it.
I'm in the Upper Trinity and all they seemed to do up there was applaud Joe's warmups and substitution - Fucking sickening. How about showing some support for the 11 wearing the kit of the team you support??
The Holte tried to get things going but nothing seemed to stick.
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Anyone else think the crowd has been really flat the past few games? Quite disappointed by it last night considering who was returning - Thought there would be more of an Everton (couple of seasons ago) feel to it.
I'm in the Upper Trinity and all they seemed to do up there was applaud Joe's warmups and substitution - Fucking sickening. How about showing some support for the 11 wearing the kit of the team you support??
The Holte tried to get things going but nothing seemed to stick.
I don’t like the drowning out the crowd noise right up to kick off, I thought the atmosphere last night was better than Brighton.
The applauding Greasy was vomit inducing.
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I might frame that post by Ads.
Yesterday was a weird one. I said in the match thread that some of our younger supporters seem to have absorbed the Sky narrative of our place in the pecking order. Maybe it is a bigger issue than that? Maybe there is a weird sort of Stockholm syndrome at play? I cannot understand people clapping for the biggest Judas in our history. So called Villa fan who thought he was too big for us . Absolute C**t.
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Anyone else think the crowd has been really flat the past few games? Quite disappointed by it last night considering who was returning - Thought there would be more of an Everton (couple of seasons ago) feel to it.
I'm in the Upper Trinity and all they seemed to do up there was applaud Joe's warmups and substitution - Fucking sickening. How about showing some support for the 11 wearing the kit of the team you support??
The Holte tried to get things going but nothing seemed to stick.
I don’t like the drowning out the crowd noise right up to kick off, I thought the atmosphere last night was better than Brighton.
The applauding Greasy was vomit inducing.
It was.
I shouted to "have some fucking pride in yourselves" which was well received around me, and just as it went quiet the lad next to me, with expert timing, shouted "love you Jack!" , bought the house down!
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That could have been a pen.
I thought it was a pen but they didn’t spend much time on it. Would’ve been different up the other end. But it looked to me that Ake kicked Konsa in the back of the leg and Konsa actually kicked the ball out even though a corner was given.
Ake went through Konsa. Compare with Targett's penalty concession at the Arse Stadium; similar but more obvious last night.
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I thought we could've been more aggressive in our approach, how many of their players walked off at HT with a bruise? I'm not advocating violent challenges only something a little more robust. It's the case with many teams against the likes of Stockport City, standing off too much and allowing them to play to their strengths, a good hefty challenge gives them something to think about. It's still a contact sport so we shouldn't be frightened to make contact. We may have conceded a couple of bookings but it may have been worth it to get a more positive result.
As for the clapping, I couldn't hold back and had a pop at those clapping, primarily for giving support to an opposition player being bought on when we were trying to get something out of the game. After the final whistle is fair game, which is why I fucked off pretty sharpish, I'm there to support Villa not an ex player.
When Smith returns I'll clap him when he walks out but he can get fucked from first whistle to last, it's all about us.
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Why do teams give them so much space? Get into them. Do what they do, leave one on the opposition, niggle, foul, push, shove and get into their face.
Exactement. We were chasing autographs for most of the first half...
I agree and disagree with this. Agree on the basis that pressing them and getting in their face can work well against teams. Disagree on the basis that all their players have the ability to withstand any press and pressure and if it isn’t perfect every time they will punish you. They have quality in every position emphasised by the fact that our star player for a number of seasons who went to them was only a sub.
We did well in the game for where we are now in our development. A bit of better finishing might have got us a point.
The problem with just 'getting into them' is that it means you lose your shape easily and then they are in. It's part of their ploy to pull players out of position and tire the opposition out. Brighton try the same, but without world class players.
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Well said Nev. That’s how it should be. The clapping was weird, but not unexpected.
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Personally, I wouldn’t applaud or boo his name being read off the team sheet, his warm up, him coming on, or anything he did in play - unless it was something twatty that I’d boo any opposition player for. During the game he was just someone else’s player.
At the end, I got angry with him for something that didn’t actually transpire. For a moment I thought he was going to walk to the Holte with our players and I shouted ‘Don’t you dare think you can come down here with MY team!’ , but he walked the other way to the ManCity fans first, leaving our own players to receive our undiluted applause - no confusion about who the applause was for, no mixture with boos and our lads got a great ovation for their performance.
So when he did come down to applaud us, on his own, I didn’t give him a rapturous reception, I sung ‘Villa til I die’ at the top of my lungs with the rest of the crowd which I thought was perfect, but yes, I clapped - it was quite half hearted, but I did - for the past & for the memories, the ones he spoilt. I honestly still don’t know how to feel but it’s mostly more sad than angry.
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It was some of the people around me in the Upper Trinity who couldn’t wait to get on their feet to give him a standing ovation. Baffling, I mean I get the look what he did for us argument but is this the level of ambition you have for the club, applauding people who’ve gone onto supposedly better things. I realise I’m turning into an old dinosaur legacy (spit) fan but I’m gobsmacked people are happy to just accept the narrative.
Anyway we move on and hopefully we’ve new heroes and a team to cheer as the season progresses.
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Only saw the first half so can’t really comment on the match overall. I didn’t think we were all that bad really in the first half. They were both excellent goals by MC. Saw Grealish laughing when the cameras panned to him after the first went in- he soon stopped when he realised he was on camera. Prick. That second goal was the best I’ve seen for a long time. A touch of the Van Basten’s about it. Thought maybe Martinez could’ve maybe done a bit better as he was well placed but maybe a bit far off his line to really do anything. 2-1 at least is respectable. Dunno if we were a lot better 2nd half or MC just eased off?
The way they get all over you with the pressing is just stifling. We didn’t help ourselves with the short passing fancying about with it at the back. Thought Buendia did quite well. Still not convinced on Bailey though.
if Martinez is on his line , he saves the second.
If he’d been on his line the player would likely have had time to control it and score. It was a brilliant, controlled finish.
I was sat in the corner of the Doug Ellis, so was almost level with it. There was an air of inevitability about it when they broke, but the cross field ball to him was inch perfect and he didn't have to break his stride. The finish was top drawer as well and so well struck first time that I don't think Martinez had a chance really.
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The first twenty minutes or so, we didn't get near them and although we crept into the game a little, their two goals were both brilliant strikes. We did well second half but I don't think we played that badly overall really. Watkins and Nakamba were both excellent and a decent effort from Chucky, a player we really need to hold on to.
As for Joe, that walk around the pitch was all about him. He knew the camera was folowing him around and he took advantage. I just watched the spectacle for a bit then went. Our players deserved a clap, not him.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
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I thought it was a quality goal which Martinez had no chance with.
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I thought it was a quality goal which Martinez had no chance with.
This.
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Plenty of positives from that display, Ollie back to his best, cracking goal and his hold up play so much better, Buendia getting his first 90 mins, I think, and starting to show what he can do, Marvelous continues to improve, Sanson at last getting some game time and Dougie very impressive.
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Passive first half, giving them far too much room and time to switch the ball endlessly (and tediously) without laying a glove on them. The finishes for their goals were good, but we made it easy.
Bailey not closing and Mings off on his travels. Two preventable chances.
In fairness, beyond the swivel hit in the 2nd half, they didn't threaten us with anything meaningful.
They're clearly a brilliant side. One of the best in Europe and the world. But they're tedious. They strangle games and bore you into making an error. They're the Mayweather of football. All that money and all that talent, obviously one of the greatest about, but fuck me, they could send a glass eye to sleep.
2nd half was much better. The press, the effort and getting amongst their back four. Ollie played well and held it up and ran them excellently. Chuck did well when he came on and should have scored. Lovely move and set up by Buendia, who continues to be a puzzle. Marv looking a Premier League player and Dougie excellent too. Glad Sanson was a positive when he came on, I have genuine hopes for him.
Wasn't expecting anything, but pleased with the performance.
As for Grealish, I booed the ******. Lacking class? I'm Villa through and fucking through to my core. This is my club. Its why I'm not home yet at quarter to 1 on a Wednesday. Why I have a 10 hour round drive planned for the 14th. Why if we ever get relegated again, I'll be there. Why if we get into Europe again, I'll be there for the flashy trips to Prague and Hamburg and the lesser supported two years running trips to the likes of Vienna. "Because it means everything to me" and I actually mean it. Like it means everything to you too and anybody that pours and ounce of soul into this glorious thing of ours that is Aston Villa.
That fucking fraud tried to fuck off to Spurs, tried to fuck off to Yanited and eventually fucked off to those dull, soulless, plastic human rights abusing ******. For his inevitable shiny baubles and his place in the pantheon of "did they play for us?" like Navas and Shaun Wright Philips. He could have been a Totti, he could have helped keep a good Villa man in a job, he could have chosen immortality, but he didn't. Because he's a lying rat, ******. He isn't one of us.
Fuck knows what possessed anybody to clap a Man City player, never mind him.
Villa till I die. Abso-fucking-lutely.
Brilliant Post - sums it all up brilliantly
Put this on the back of the north stand where Jack and Dean were
"Because it means everything to me" and I actually mean it. Like it means everything to you too and anybody that pours an ounce of soul into this glorious thing of ours that is Aston Villa.
or maybe just this
Villa till I die. Abso-fucking-lutely.
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Manchester City: possibly the best advert for buying an electric car.
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Sanctimonious people outraged that Grealish got booed only emphasise why with every passing comment. 'He earned the club 100m' did he? Wow how grateful we should be.
Also City fans are so touchy and so full of excuses about the source of their success it's hilarious. 'Living within our revenue' [cough] ETIHAD DEAL [cough], etc. As if the fact that the sole reason for them being where they are wasn't that the spoilt hyperrich scions of an absolute monarchy took a break from oppressing women and homosexuals and dissidents and the poor to fly to Manchester, where they bought the first club they found.
Booing Grealish is about booing that. It's about the way that, in today's world, the rich can eat anybody's dream they wish to.
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Nobody said we shouldn't boo Andy Gray, or David Platt, or Dwight Yorke. This idea you should be 'classy' or in other words, subservient, is another reason why the Premier League can get bollocksed.
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As I posted before the match, I neither booed or applauded Jack. Just didn’t personally sit right with me. But the chanting of ‘Villa ‘til I die’ was absolutely the right response and brought a lump to my throat. Emotions were understandably high for many, which is why I love the Villa. It isn’t a cold calculation of numbers, success or popularity. It’s about spirit, identity and feeling.
Villa ‘til I die.
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Nobody said we shouldn't boo Andy Gray, or David Platt, or Dwight Yorke. This idea you should be 'classy' or in other words, subservient, is another reason why the Premier League can get bollocksed.
Bang on! You are entering the last few minutes of a game that your boys have given absolutely everything in and are fighting for an equaliser.
The opposition bring a player on and a significant number of your own fans applaud the guy onto the park, giving him and them a boost!
Absolutely mind blowing.
The fact that said ex-player has wanted to leave for the previous three years with 3 different clubs adds to the ignominy.
If we want to progress we have to get out of a 'we are not worthy mindset' every time we have quality players.
The Villa til I Die last night was magnificent. Defiant and proud.
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I loved Grealish then he left us. Can understand why professionally, but it put paid to the romantic idea that he was something more than a mercenary.
That’s why Villa till I die was such an emotive, powerful, appropriate response. That’s the difference - we are, he wasn’t.
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After 10 mins I'd have snapped your hand off for a 1.2 defeat so very impressed with the second half.
Was I the only one who thought McGinn, Bailey and Targett could all have done better for their first goal? The second was sensational but again, I dont think McGinn and Mings saw the danger early enough and could have done better, as did Konsa given his reaction.
As for Jack, just fuck off you attention seeking me-me-me twat.
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Overall, I’m pleased with what I saw last night and came away satisfied that we’d gone toe-to-toe and challenged them rather than just collapsing. That first 10 minutes was a real struggle and it felt like it would be a long night but they did get to grips with it eventually.
Where we’re at right now, you need to get things right and have things go your way. We had a couple of openings in the first half where we didn’t quite make the right decisions or the execution wasn’t quite there. We worked the ball across the box to Bailey and his shot was blocked as well as when he had the ball on the run and could have played it to Buendia on his left rather than going it alone.
The goals were frustrating to concede even though a Manchester City fan would probably see them as great goals. The first one is a great strike from a centre half but I could tell from behind the goal that Martinez didn’t see it until late. He’s a split second slower in making his move and maybe he’d have got there if he could see it all the way.
I haven’t watched the second one again but Gerrard says the right things about stopping their play. One thing City do is stop play if they can’t get the ball. They don’t want to be vulnerable to a counter attack. Maybe we were too nice when they played the ball around and someone could have made a tactical foul. I’m also not quite sure about the defensive line. It seemed like Konsa was isolated and five yards back from everyone else, which allowed the run down the right. It’s brilliantly worked but I’d have to see it back to see what we could have done better.
Second half was great and again we’ve had chances. It felt like Konsa could only score from his position so that was frustrating. Carney seemed a bit rushed in his chance. Maybe he expected a City player to be closer but he possible had a second longer to take a look at the keeper. He’ll learn and it was good to see him play. He may get more football if we decide to play with narrow forwards in the long term.
As for the opposition number ten, I think “Villa till I die” was the right response. If you want to boo him, boo him. If you want to applaud him, applaud him. I was conflicted and sang Villa till I die while quietly applauding. Maybe I’m gullible but I’d bet on him playing for us again one day. The powers that be at Villa Park will continue to try to ensure that potential avenue doesn’t get closed down and I’m fine with that.
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Personally, I wouldn’t applaud or boo his name being read off the team sheet, his warm up, him coming on, or anything he did in play - unless it was something twatty that I’d boo any opposition player for. During the game he was just someone else’s player.
At the end, I got angry with him for something that didn’t actually transpire. For a moment I thought he was going to walk to the Holte with our players and I shouted ‘Don’t you dare think you can come down here with MY team!’ , but he walked the other way to the ManCity fans first, leaving our own players to receive our undiluted applause - no confusion about who the applause was for, no mixture with boos and our lads got a great ovation for their performance.
So when he did come down to applaud us, on his own, I didn’t give him a rapturous reception, I sung ‘Villa til I die’ at the top of my lungs with the rest of the crowd which I thought was perfect, but yes, I clapped - it was quite half hearted, but I did - for the past & for the memories, the ones he spoilt. I honestly still don’t know how to feel but it’s mostly more sad than angry.
Great Post Amfy
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So we have to spend years kissing another player's arse in the hope he might want to play for us when his own club don't want him anymore?
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The rotational fouling is such a cynical but effective tactic for them.
With 70% possession in most games, they only need to do it like 6 times a game, so will very rarely even pick up a yellow as they’re only given for persistent fouling of that sort.
Almost every time we had the ball in space there was a pull, trip etc, just breaking down anything that starts to build.
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Why applaud an opposition player anyway? I think I might have done that twice at Villa Park after watching a moment of brilliance. From memory, I think it was a sublime Arsenal goal and Gerrard(?) as he left the pitch after an outstanding performance. I can't even recall the moments correctly.
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I've applauded returning players, but not good ones when they are coming on with a couple of mins to go with one goal in the game. Fuck me.
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I might have muttered a barely audible "fucking hell, what a goal" when Henry tore us to pieces under O'Leary, but clapping an opposition player as he does a walk of appreciation? Never in a million years. And our players lining up to give him a huge hug need to have a word with themselves as well.
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Why applaud an opposition player anyway? I think I might have done that twice at Villa Park after watching a moment of brilliance. From memory, I think it was a sublime Arsenal goal and Gerrard(?) as he left the pitch after an outstanding performance. I can't even recall the moments correctly.
Henry for Arsenal, Zola, Guillet and Lampard for Chelsea, Scholes volley from the corner, albeit with a grimaced 'Ginger C^%$' accompanying it.
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Sanctimonious people outraged that Grealish got booed only emphasise why with every passing comment. 'He earned the club 100m' did he? Wow how grateful we should be.
Also City fans are so touchy and so full of excuses about the source of their success it's hilarious. 'Living within our revenue' [cough] ETIHAD DEAL [cough], etc. As if the fact that the sole reason for them being where they are wasn't that the spoilt hyperrich scions of an absolute monarchy took a break from oppressing women and homosexuals and dissidents and the poor to fly to Manchester, where they bought the first club they found.
Booing Grealish is about booing that. It's about the way that, in today's world, the rich can eat anybody's dream they wish to.
Another great post - exactly this - the rich can take things that are special, loved and value and make them just pawns in their games.
It made enough when our Government do it, let alone other countries doing it to us too
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I did for Ian Wright after he'd tore us to pieces on an Easter Monday in 95, much it was as much in disgust at our abject performance.
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Depends who "we" is. "We" fans can do what they like but I'd suggest that someone high up at Villa Park has decided what "we" as a club will do.
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Back to the game - how frustrating to see Watkins play so well in his best position after being played wide for the first few games... you can see his confidence flooding back. I can't see a way back into this team for Ings.
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Villa showed way too much respect, we could of easily turned it into a war the amount of persistent fouls from manchester the ref let go.
I think Gerrard was looking to set up like wolves did when they beat man city a few seasons ago. defend the 18 yard and hit on the break with pace (think adama got a couple of goals on the counter) seems like the only way to beat man city unless you have great players.
We actually did it a couple of times first half but bad decisions, holding the ball too long and general fear in our play meant it came to nothing. Bailey going off ended the strategy.
Watkins feeding off scraps worked so hard and his finish was class,
Have to say Bernardo Silva is brilliant. Rhoderi is like the new Jan Molby, a fat lump anchor who can play. Fernandinhio master of the dark arts. These three run the game.
This new nicey nicey football is something difficult for me to get my head around. I shook my head in disbelief seeing Villa fans applaud the pantomime "Villain" I'd prefer it if he was visibly shocked by vitriol, looks like his PR media team smoothed it over for him very well.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
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Sanctimonious people outraged that Grealish got booed only emphasise why with every passing comment. 'He earned the club 100m' did he? Wow how grateful we should be.
Also City fans are so touchy and so full of excuses about the source of their success it's hilarious. 'Living within our revenue' [cough] ETIHAD DEAL [cough], etc. As if the fact that the sole reason for them being where they are wasn't that the spoilt hyperrich scions of an absolute monarchy took a break from oppressing women and homosexuals and dissidents and the poor to fly to Manchester, where they bought the first club they found.
Booing Grealish is about booing that. It's about the way that, in today's world, the rich can eat anybody's dream they wish to.
The ‘got us £100 million’ thing just misses the point so entirely. Firstly because in practical terms we aren’t n a position to buy a £100 million player at the moment and ‘replacing him with 3 players’ is only genuinely useful if it comes with special dispensation to field 13.
Mostly though - it’s the break of a genuine emotional attachment & investment in a ‘relationship’ (because that’s what it is) where you had really believed the other person felt the same.
Then they leave you for someone with more money and expect that you’ll be OK about it because they let you keep the house.
…..& everyone down the pub just says ‘we’ll - you were always punching a bit above your weight there mate’ & expects you not to want to punch them in the face.
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Bailey turns his back on their first, a braver block would likely have stopped it.
Mings tells Konsa to go to the ball for their second, possibly the right call against most sides. But these aren't "most sides", they're like lightning, and it was a foot race Mings wasn't going to win. Some finish, still.
The Konsa penalty shout, I've watched it back a few times and I do think Ake plays him before Konsa gets to the ball. There seems to be somewhat of an "umpire's call" element with VAR of late when things aren't, ahem, clear and obvious, and I think that had it been given on the field, it would not have been overturned.
Chucky, fuuuck. Being fair to the lad, he'll not have met that standard of goalkeeper in front of him before. Yeah, maybe could have done better, but it was a smart save.
I'm loving that new shape, the players seem to be on board with everything, and after a shaky start that left me feeling I was in for a very, very long night, I left feeling deflated by the result but definitely not the performance. Sunday now can't come soon enough!
VTID.
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The rotational fouling is such a cynical but effective tactic for them.
With 70% possession in most games, they only need to do it like 6 times a game, so will very rarely even pick up a yellow as they’re only given for persistent fouling of that sort.
Almost every time we had the ball in space there was a pull, trip etc, just breaking down anything that starts to build.
Most good teams do it, but the ref needs to step in with yellow cards after the 3rd or 4th time.
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The biggest clubs in this country organically speaking - that's based on historical, success, natural resources (catchment area) etc - are (in order): Man Utd, Liverpool; Arsenal; Villa & Everton; assorted misfits and ne'er-do-wells. I can accept those three (with poison spitting out from gritted teeth, but accepted nonetheless), but lottery-winning petroclubs like Chelsea and City? Sad Sunderland and nebulous Newcastle? Cheerful cockneys like Spurs and the Whammers? They're all in one great primordial swamp together as far as I'm concerned.
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I can remember applauding an opposition goal every now and then (obviously, quietly) and a few other people doing the same.
One was a 12 year old Paul Ince scoring a belter against us for West Ham. Another I seem to recall some Luton full back scoring a blinder.
Probably the one goal against us at our place that I remember thinking "Jesus, what a goal" and would have politely applauded if it weren't for the opposition was that one Paul Scholes scored that crashed in off the cross bar (everyone knows, the sound of woodwork taking a smashing en route to the ball hitting the back of the net instantly makes a goal at least 100% better).
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The biggest clubs in this country organically speaking - that's based on historical, success, natural resources (catchment area) etc - are (in order): Man Utd, Liverpool; Arsenal; Villa & Everton; assorted misfits and ne'er-do-wells. I can accept those three (with poison spitting out from gritted teeth, but accepted nonetheless), but lottery-winning petroclubs like Chelsea and City? Sad Sunderland and nebulous Newcastle? Cheerful cockneys like Spurs and the Whammers? They're all in one great primordial swamp together as far as I'm concerned.
I'd put Newcastle and Sunderland above the rest based on their support, history and potential but the big problem is what we saw yesterday - in the eyes of the world, and infuriatingly to some of our own supporters, we're part of the lumpen mass.
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The biggest clubs in this country organically speaking - that's based on historical, success, natural resources (catchment area) etc - are (in order): Man Utd, Liverpool; Arsenal; Villa & Everton; assorted misfits and ne'er-do-wells. I can accept those three (with poison spitting out from gritted teeth, but accepted nonetheless), but lottery-winning petroclubs like Chelsea and City? Sad Sunderland and nebulous Newcastle? Cheerful cockneys like Spurs and the Whammers? They're all in one great primordial swamp together as far as I'm concerned.
I'd put Newcastle and Sunderland above the rest based on their support, history and potential but the big problem is what we saw yesterday - in the eyes of the world, and infuriatingly to some of our own supporters, we're part of the lumpen mass.
I can accept that argument, especially re. Sunderland (though Toon probably have more potential).
But yeah, on the latter point, it's amazing. The biggest club (by miles) in the second city in the country, the biggest club in a region with more people in it than Scotland, and it means nothing. We're booing that, as much as anything. That shitey shitey reality.
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I had some Man City fan in Serbia or somewhere tell me on twitter I shouldn't be angry about Grealish going to 'a big club' when he had the chance.
I appreciate money makes them big, but getting told by someone in a student flat somewhere in fucking Serbia who almost certainly has never been to a match AND had probably never heard of Man City ten years ago how I should be supporting the club my family have supported since Victorian times really, really fucking annoys me.
More proof that it is no longer 'our' game. Also, shows how the definition of 'our' has changed - it used to mean match attending fans, "Television has ruined our game", then it became those who could afford it, then it added anyone who realised associating yourself with a football club was fashionable (politicians, for example), then it added full Liverpool kit wankers sat in front of 60 inch televisions in Beijing.
I sound a bit Farage here, but it fucking annoys me enough being told how to support my club by anyone else, but that annoyance goes through the roof with these people.
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The rotational fouling is such a cynical but effective tactic for them.
With 70% possession in most games, they only need to do it like 6 times a game, so will very rarely even pick up a yellow as they’re only given for persistent fouling of that sort.
Almost every time we had the ball in space there was a pull, trip etc, just breaking down anything that starts to build.
Add to that the kicking the ball away, just far enough not to get booked, but enough to take a couple more seconds out of the attack and slow the move down and get everyone back in the shape. Exactly what we should have done before their second.
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The rotational fouling is such a cynical but effective tactic for them.
With 70% possession in most games, they only need to do it like 6 times a game, so will very rarely even pick up a yellow as they’re only given for persistent fouling of that sort.
Almost every time we had the ball in space there was a pull, trip etc, just breaking down anything that starts to build.
Add to that the kicking the ball away, just far enough not to get booked, but enough to take a couple more seconds out of the attack and slow the move down and get everyone back in the shape. Exactly what we should have done before their second.
To be honest, I think since Gerrard joined I've seen a fair amount of us doing the same - or similar, applying a bit of cynicism to manage the game better.
Martinez is particularly good at it - pretty sure in the Palace game we were all saying how savvy he was for going down and needing attention in a period where they were building a head of steam.
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I had some Man City fan in Serbia or somewhere tell me on twitter I shouldn't be angry about Grealish going to 'a big club' when he had the chance.
I appreciate money makes them big, but getting told by someone in a student flat somewhere in fucking Serbia who almost certainly has never been to a match AND had probably never heard of Man City ten years ago how I should be supporting the club my family have supported since Victorian times really, really fucking annoys me.
More proof that it is no longer 'our' game. Also, shows how the definition of 'our' has changed - it used to mean match attending fans, "Television has ruined our game", then it added anyone who realised associating yourself with a football club was fashionable (politicians, for example), then it added full Liverpool kit wankers sat in front of 60 inch televisions in Beijing.
I sound a bit Farage here, but it fucking annoys me enough being told how to support my club by anyone else, but that annoyance goes through the roof with these people.
It's a bit like how colonising also colonises the colonisers. It's like what William Dalrymple says in his book Empire of Anarchy, that the East India Company bought two countries not one through its bribery of the Commons. You can see equivalents today with corporate lobbying in the States, and with the 'global game' status of the Premier League, its increasing domination and ruination of every other football league on earth. Its monumental success is not our success as fans of English football. We don't enter into it.
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I had some Man City fan in Serbia or somewhere tell me on twitter I shouldn't be angry about Grealish going to 'a big club' when he had the chance.
I appreciate money makes them big, but getting told by someone in a student flat somewhere in fucking Serbia who almost certainly has never been to a match AND had probably never heard of Man City ten years ago how I should be supporting the club my family have supported since Victorian times really, really fucking annoys me.
More proof that it is no longer 'our' game. Also, shows how the definition of 'our' has changed - it used to mean match attending fans, "Television has ruined our game", then it became those who could afford it, then it added anyone who realised associating yourself with a football club was fashionable (politicians, for example), then it added full Liverpool kit wankers sat in front of 60 inch televisions in Beijing.
I sound a bit Farage here, but it fucking annoys me enough being told how to support my club by anyone else, but that annoyance goes through the roof with these people.
yep its becoming common now this disconnect between legacy (spit!) fans and the rest. Said it before but when the ESL was going on you saw these arguments going on all the time on twitter between Uk-based fans of ManU/City/Liverpool/Chelsea who despised the idea, and those based abroad who didn't "get" the culture as they just wanted to see all the best players together in some Harlem Globetrotter league.
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Just watched the challenge on Konsa and can't see how thats not a penalty. Ake males no contact whatsoever with the ball and yet wipes Konsa out. Whether Konsa could have controlled the ball or not is - as we know from bitter experience - not a reason not to award a penalty. Perhaps if our nemesis wasn't on VAR it might have been considered
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The rotational fouling is such a cynical but effective tactic for them.
With 70% possession in most games, they only need to do it like 6 times a game, so will very rarely even pick up a yellow as they’re only given for persistent fouling of that sort.
Almost every time we had the ball in space there was a pull, trip etc, just breaking down anything that starts to build.
Add to that the kicking the ball away, just far enough not to get booked, but enough to take a couple more seconds out of the attack and slow the move down and get everyone back in the shape. Exactly what we should have done before their second.
All of this is true; 'tactical fouling', kicking the ball away, contesting every decision against you, getting into the ref's ear at half-time when you're leaving the pitch
These aspects to Man City's game are coached every bit as much as their style of play.
Guardiola is astute at doing whatever it takes to gain a competitive advantage however small.
I have a feeling that Gerrard will make us more streetwise, more mentally tough. Less nice.
Bring it on.
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So we have to spend years kissing another player's arse in the hope he might want to play for us when his own club don't want him anymore?
yes, it’s about time accepted our place and any dissenting fans should stay away.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
John inventing a scenario and then getting really wound up about it, there!
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I had some Man City fan in Serbia or somewhere tell me on twitter I shouldn't be angry about Grealish going to 'a big club' when he had the chance.
I appreciate money makes them big, but getting told by someone in a student flat somewhere in fucking Serbia who almost certainly has never been to a match AND had probably never heard of Man City ten years ago how I should be supporting the club my family have supported since Victorian times really, really fucking annoys me.
More proof that it is no longer 'our' game. Also, shows how the definition of 'our' has changed - it used to mean match attending fans, "Television has ruined our game", then it became those who could afford it, then it added anyone who realised associating yourself with a football club was fashionable (politicians, for example), then it added full Liverpool kit wankers sat in front of 60 inch televisions in Beijing.
I sound a bit Farage here, but it fucking annoys me enough being told how to support my club by anyone else, but that annoyance goes through the roof with these people.
I totally agree, and am slightly conflicted by it as politically I am diametrically opposed to Farage on every single thing he believes or stands for.
But Twitter new-fans telling us what to think / how to behave / what we should and shouldn’t be bothered by, know our place boils my fucking blood.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
HandV voodoo doesn’t work?
You will be telling me Father Christmas isn’t real next.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
There’s plenty that say they can’t understand though
I’m just saying that if you want to boo Grealish because he was disloyal betrayed us played us whatever, I’ve got no problem crack on people can do what they want
But I have read people say they can’t understand applauding someone in the opposition shirt who is there to take points from us
I’m saying Dean Smith will be that man he will be standing there in the oppositions clothing he will be there to beat Villa
But I will be applauding him and anyone who says they can’t understand me doing it Or in fact shouldn’t be doing it can get to fuck
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I gave Grealish a round of fucks and booed him via Facebook. Thanks for everything but Super Shinsplints Sub can fuck off and count his money.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
There’s plenty that say they can’t understand though
I’m just saying that if you want to boo Grealish because he was disloyal betrayed us played us whatever, I’ve got no problem crack on people can do what they want
But I have read people say they can’t understand applauding someone in the opposition shirt who is there to take points from us
I’m saying Dean Smith will be that man he will be standing there in the oppositions clothing he will be there to beat Villa
But I will be applauding him and anyone who says they can’t understand me doing it Or in fact shouldn’t be doing it can get to fuck
Different dynamic though - we sacked Dean Smith.
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the £100m thing isn't in justification for him leaving, it's highlighting the benefit of the new contract to us that seems to be one of the main sources of peoples ire.
I wasn't sure how I'd feel on his return. I've certainly still got a lot of time for Jack so didn't think I'd boo. As it was I felt more hostile to him than I expected, I didn't boo but didn't clap either. The huge chorous of VTID felt like an absolutely perfect response to me.
I was pretty angry at the way the stadium announcer read out his name before the game - think he must have got the message by the reaction and thankfully he didn't have time to go through the team again before ko.
I don't think I'll ever hate him in the way that some do. I'll never call hin Joe or Ratboy or whatever, but neither do I wish him well in his career at Man City and honestly don't care if he represents England or not. Last night was cathertic. It's over for me now. But I hope VTID is ringing through his sleep every time he returns.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
There’s plenty that say they can’t understand though
I’m just saying that if you want to boo Grealish because he was disloyal betrayed us played us whatever, I’ve got no problem crack on people can do what they want
But I have read people say they can’t understand applauding someone in the opposition shirt who is there to take points from us
I’m saying Dean Smith will be that man he will be standing there in the oppositions clothing he will be there to beat Villa
But I will be applauding him and anyone who says they can’t understand me doing it Or in fact shouldn’t be doing it can get to fuck
There's a million miles of difference between Jack Grealish and Dean Smith.
Jack is a fake with his false sincerity and self-serving bullshit. Dean is Villa through and through and wanted to be nowhere else.
I will be applauding Dean for every step of his walk from the tunnel to the dugout when he comes back to Villa Park.
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the £100m thing isn't in justification for him leaving, it's highlighting the benefit of the new contract to us that seems to be one of the main sources of peoples ire.
I wasn't sure how I'd feel on his return. I've certainly still got a lot of time for Jack so didn't think I'd boo. As it was I felt more hostile to him than I expected, I didn't boo but didn't clap either. The huge chorous of VTID felt like an absolutely perfect response to me.
I was pretty angry at the way the stadium announcer read out his name before the game - think he must have got the message by the reaction and thankfully he didn't have time to go through the team again before ko.
I don't think I'll ever hate him in the way that some do. I'll never call hin Joe or Ratboy or whatever, but neither do I wish him well in his career at Man City and honestly don't care if he represents England or not. Last night was cathertic. It's over for me now. But I hope VTID is ringing through his sleep every time he returns.
Sums my feelings up perfectly
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
There’s plenty that say they can’t understand though
I’m just saying that if you want to boo Grealish because he was disloyal betrayed us played us whatever, I’ve got no problem crack on people can do what they want
But I have read people say they can’t understand applauding someone in the opposition shirt who is there to take points from us
I’m saying Dean Smith will be that man he will be standing there in the oppositions clothing he will be there to beat Villa
But I will be applauding him and anyone who says they can’t understand me doing it Or in fact shouldn’t be doing it can get to fuck
Different dynamic though - we sacked Dean Smith.
Of course it is that’s exactly what I’m saying
It’s nothing to do with supporting the opposition in the oppositions colours it’s to do with the way they left
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
There’s plenty that say they can’t understand though
I’m just saying that if you want to boo Grealish because he was disloyal betrayed us played us whatever, I’ve got no problem crack on people can do what they want
But I have read people say they can’t understand applauding someone in the opposition shirt who is there to take points from us
I’m saying Dean Smith will be that man he will be standing there in the oppositions clothing he will be there to beat Villa
But I will be applauding him and anyone who says they can’t understand me doing it Or in fact shouldn’t be doing it can get to fuck
There's a million miles of difference between Jack Grealish and Dean Smith.
Jack is a fake with his false sincerity and self-serving bullshit. Dean is Villa through and through and wanted to be nowhere else.
I will be applauding Dean for every step of his walk from the tunnel to the dugout when he comes back to Villa Park.
Which is what I’ve said
But some people on here are making it about support in the opposition read back the poster all there
It’s nothing to do with that it’s to do with the way they both left
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I think a lot if it is people who applauded him maybe aren't aware of what went on with Grealish, while the slightly more "obsessives" on here were following over 10months or more., His agent's quotes around christmas time, the planted stories naming his agent and the 100m fee, the man city friend of the owners on reddit telling everyone it was done deal before they'd even bid, all the will he/ won't he disruption shite at pre-season, the fact that he KNEW he was going at least in May and probably last summer but let us get all the disruption because the poor lamb didn't want to be bothered with aggro while he was with England. At least I'd hope that is the case because i'm fecked if I know why you'd applaud him for that otherwise...
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
There’s plenty that say they can’t understand though
I’m just saying that if you want to boo Grealish because he was disloyal betrayed us played us whatever, I’ve got no problem crack on people can do what they want
But I have read people say they can’t understand applauding someone in the opposition shirt who is there to take points from us
I’m saying Dean Smith will be that man he will be standing there in the oppositions clothing he will be there to beat Villa
But I will be applauding him and anyone who says they can’t understand me doing it Or in fact shouldn’t be doing it can get to fuck
There's a million miles of difference between Jack Grealish and Dean Smith.
Jack is a fake with his false sincerity and self-serving bullshit. Dean is Villa through and through and wanted to be nowhere else.
I will be applauding Dean for every step of his walk from the tunnel to the dugout when he comes back to Villa Park.
Which is what I’ve said
But some people on here are making it about support in the opposition read back the poster all there
It’s nothing to do with that it’s to do with the way they both left
Yes, for sure.
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I think a lot if it is people who applauded him maybe aren't aware of what went on with Grealish, while the slightly more "obsessives" on here were following over 10months or more., His agent's quotes around christmas time, the planted stories naming his agent and the 100m fee, the man city friend of the owners on reddit telling everyone it was done deal before they'd even bid, all the will he/ won't he disruption shite at pre-season, the fact that he KNEW he was going at least in May and probably last summer but let us get all the disruption because the poor lamb didn't want to be bothered with aggro while he was with England. At least I'd hope that is the case because i'm fecked if I know why you'd applaud him for that otherwise...
Thats a good point - I sometime forget that not everyone spends the time obsessing as I do, and I assume many others on here do
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I think a lot if it is people who applauded him maybe aren't aware of what went on with Grealish, while the slightly more "obsessives" on here were following over 10months or more., His agent's quotes around christmas time, the planted stories naming his agent and the 100m fee, the man city friend of the owners on reddit telling everyone it was done deal before they'd even bid, all the will he/ won't he disruption shite at pre-season, the fact that he KNEW he was going at least in May and probably last summer but let us get all the disruption because the poor lamb didn't want to be bothered with aggro while he was with England. At least I'd hope that is the case because i'm fecked if I know why you'd applaud him for that otherwise...
He played us
Which is why I didn’t applaud him last night
But the people that did weren’t applauding the Man City shirt they were applauding a player Who Had bought them good memories
The same as when Smith returns we won’t be applauding a Norwich City jacket we will be applauding everything he did for us
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Must say though, credit to my Man City friends (proper ones all), who totally get the booing and think everyone should get over it.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
HandV voodoo doesn’t work?
You will be telling me Father Christmas isn’t real next.
He's better be or my kids are going to be very disappointed in 3 weeks.
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Man City's emergence through oil money has been a disaster for Aston Villa, my team, and I will never forgive the rat for pissing on us to join them Bizarre that any fans of our club applauded him.
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Talking about applauding the opposition
I didn’t applaud last night but will do when Smith returns and I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody thinks on here because he will be there to take three points away from Villa
I will stand and applaud him and give zero fucks to anyone on here who tells me what I can and what I cannot do When it comes to the opposition
You do realise that people on here can't actually make you think or do something, don't you? ;-)
HandV voodoo doesn’t work?
You will be telling me Father Christmas isn’t real next.
He's better be or my kids are going to be very disappointed in 3 weeks.
I’m definitely the right shape
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As for man city, over the last 10 years or so they’ve signed four of our captains… we could have drawn the line this year.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
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I think a lot if it is people who applauded him maybe aren't aware of what went on with Grealish, while the slightly more "obsessives" on here were following over 10months or more., His agent's quotes around christmas time, the planted stories naming his agent and the 100m fee, the man city friend of the owners on reddit telling everyone it was done deal before they'd even bid, all the will he/ won't he disruption shite at pre-season, the fact that he KNEW he was going at least in May and probably last summer but let us get all the disruption because the poor lamb didn't want to be bothered with aggro while he was with England. At least I'd hope that is the case because i'm fecked if I know why you'd applaud him for that otherwise...
He played us
Which is why I didn’t applaud him last night
But the people that did weren’t applauding the Man City shirt they were applauding a player Who Had bought them good memories
The same as when Smith returns we won’t be applauding a Norwich City jacket we will be applauding everything he did for us
Well Smith I have no problem with anyone who applauds him. He got sacked, didn't engineer a way out of the club and didn't make out he was Mr Aston Villa even though he could of. That totally cynical comment from ratboy about how football works was when the mask slipped and exposed that his love for the club was just a marketing ploy to be used for career advancement. But going back to my original point a hell of a lot of Villa fans aren't aware of the online stuff or have no wish to look because they have a life ;) It's like say when Platt left, I had no idea of what was going on because you'd probably see 1 newspaper article at the time, and I could easily have done the same with Grealish story if i'd wanted to instead of having the resources of countless media sites and ITK's
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Grealish seems to be affected by the fact he's no longer adored. Moving to City has lost him England fans, City fans seem increasingly indifferent to him because he's not delivering 100 million performances. Time will tell, but with the potential he has, if he doesn't end up one of the best in the business, it'll be disappointing. In truth we only saw the very best of him for about 40 top flight games, spread across two seasons because of injuries. And it was only those season where his end product was there. He was just peaking.
People thought Grealish arriving at City meant Sterling would be forced out. Well he's got a long, long way to go to match what Sterling has done, and to match that end product for club and country. I'm not sure Grealish is comfortable when he's not orchestrating the side like he was here (which ultimately for us, was probably detrimental as Dean was so reliant). No sympathy, but it'll be bittersweet seeing him inevitably be remembered as a decent show pony rather than a worldy.
As far as booing or cheering. Indifference is my choice. He's no longer one of us. He'll make a bundle of cash at City. Be one of a number of interchangeable 100 million pound players that won't be missed when he's sold on because some one else will come in. But comparisons to Gascoigne (Even he never achieved as much as his talent suggested) won't prove accurate. But then again, if Gerrard was 25 playing in this era, even he'd be fucking off to another club. Long term loyalty is all but dead.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
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Why applaud an opposition player anyway? I think I might have done that twice at Villa Park after watching a moment of brilliance. From memory, I think it was a sublime Arsenal goal and Gerrard(?) as he left the pitch after an outstanding performance. I can't even recall the moments correctly.
I applauded Fwank when he left the pitch after unfortunately getting his Goal Scoring record against us. But balanced it out with massive sarcastic boohoos and fuck you's to Terry when he was carried off the pitch.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
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I think we showed how man c can be got at in the second half. Need to be super disciplined and get at them right from the off, letting them play is begging for a tanking.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
I think the media portrayal and racist element of it probably played a part in that.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
I think the media portrayal and racist element of it probably played a part in that.
That's true.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
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Sanson, Chuck, Luiz, Nakamba, El Ghazi Ramsey whether all fully fit or not Gerard has given them all minutes in the first three games
He’s certainly having a good look at them and none have disappointed so far I don’t think
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
Which can all be perfectly good fun, I'm sure the City fans enjoyed booing Young as an ex-Red last night. Of course, as LeeB points out, those surrogate reasons can turn darker.
I remember this was the excuse for years in Italy for racist chanting, that it's just finding a way to needle everyone, so you make fun of their name or their marital problems or whatever. Needless to say, what horrible load of evil old bollocks.
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Would people be still as quick to applaud him if he left for United?
We can acknowledge him as a life long Villa fan (there have been many of those through the years - think of the classy Albrighton who will be in town on Sunday) but once game time is upon us he along with every other footballer not in our kit is the enemy.
As for the game.
We can analyse that we should of stopped the game for the 2nd to stop the breakaway, Mings could of been closer, Emi should of been on his line. Maybe we should just applaud what was a stunning goal that was hit so sweetly.
They are world class in everything , including shithousery - we can learn from this.
Fair play to our lot, i was fearful when Young came on but thought he again defied his age. I thought Cash did a great number on Sterling - for all his trickery he did nothing of note all game.
Some of the turnovers Nakamba did were stunning.
Watkins ran his balls off and deserved the goal.
What a story it would of been for Chucky - but it was a world class save.
How ref did not go back and book the player for the assault on Targett is beyond me.
That had to be the quickest look and decline of VAR since it was introduced.
When you think of the talent they had missing and they still play like that - it is frightening but i still think they will not win the title.
SG - i really like how intelligent he talks about the game and he has that steel eyed look about him that i really think he will be proven to be a huge success for us
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
Which can all be perfectly good fun, I'm sure the City fans enjoyed booing Young as an ex-Red last night. Of course, as LeeB points out, those surrogate reasons can turn darker.
I remember this was the excuse for years in Italy for racist chanting, that it's just finding a way to needle everyone, so you make fun of their name or their marital problems or whatever. Needless to say, what horrible load of evil old bollocks.
I find the dislike for Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua more to do with racism than them just being a pair of knobs In some peoples eyes
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Aye. It is interesting how many knobs there are in sport, and yet the ones who happen to be black seem to be the most disliked. How strange.
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Anthony Joshua is over-hyped and really shouldn't step into the ring with fighters who can actually box.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
Which can all be perfectly good fun, I'm sure the City fans enjoyed booing Young as an ex-Red last night. Of course, as LeeB points out, those surrogate reasons can turn darker.
I remember this was the excuse for years in Italy for racist chanting, that it's just finding a way to needle everyone, so you make fun of their name or their marital problems or whatever. Needless to say, what horrible load of evil old bollocks.
I find the dislike for Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua more to do with racism than them just being a pair of knobs In some peoples eyes
Conversely can someone not be disliked because they are just dickheads? Just because someone of colour is disliked its not always about their colour although it seems at times some people cannot accept anything else.
Lewis Hamilton - dickhead because of his dress sense (yes i am that shallow) his tax avoidance and he is not the most humble of people.
AJ - seemingly nice bloke but just a pretty (in my mind) average boxer that has been elevated way above his ability deserves. Hard to respect a HW boxer when he does so many tacky commercials and game shows.
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Did anyone else find the atmosphere strangely flat last night?
I was looking forward all day to an atmosphere like the Friday night Everton game - but it never really happened
For a few minutes after we scored it picked up but then it faded again
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
Which can all be perfectly good fun, I'm sure the City fans enjoyed booing Young as an ex-Red last night. Of course, as LeeB points out, those surrogate reasons can turn darker.
I remember this was the excuse for years in Italy for racist chanting, that it's just finding a way to needle everyone, so you make fun of their name or their marital problems or whatever. Needless to say, what horrible load of evil old bollocks.
yeah although I don't think enough thought goes into it to be called evil tbh. Remember a player back in the 80's who's wife had cancer (for some reason I keep thinking Julian Dicks?) got some pretty horrendous shit aimed at him.
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I used to think Hamilton was a bit of a knob when he was younger, I have a pre-conception of racing drivers as spoilt bastards anyway, but his work raising awareness on discrimination and questioning of where they race and where the money comes from in his sport has completely flipped me.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
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Nobody said we shouldn't boo Andy Gray, or David Platt, or Dwight Yorke. This idea you should be 'classy' or in other words, subservient, is another reason why the Premier League can get bollocksed.
Yes. Know your place and take it like a fan.
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Did anyone else find the atmosphere strangely flat last night?
I was looking forward all day to an atmosphere like the Friday night Everton game - but it never really happened
For a few minutes after we scored it picked up but then it faded again
That's always going to be the case when you play a team as gifted as Stockport City, I felt a terrible air of doom at half time that we were going to be hammered, that vanished with a commendable and brave second half performance and the result was in the balance right until the death, backed up by the notable absence of empty seats for the last few minutes. Many people dash off to beat the traffic but didn't last night.
Everton was an exception really given the occassion.
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Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
Which can all be perfectly good fun, I'm sure the City fans enjoyed booing Young as an ex-Red last night. Of course, as LeeB points out, those surrogate reasons can turn darker.
I remember this was the excuse for years in Italy for racist chanting, that it's just finding a way to needle everyone, so you make fun of their name or their marital problems or whatever. Needless to say, what horrible load of evil old bollocks.
I find the dislike for Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua more to do with racism than them just being a pair of knobs In some peoples eyes
Conversely can someone not be disliked because they are just dickheads? Just because someone of colour is disliked its not always about their colour although it seems at times some people cannot accept anything else.
Lewis Hamilton - dickhead because of his dress sense (yes i am that shallow) his tax avoidance and he is not the most humble of people.
AJ - seemingly nice bloke but just a pretty (in my mind) average boxer that has been elevated way above his ability deserves. Hard to respect a HW boxer when he does so many tacky commercials and game shows.
Whole applauding thing depressed me frankly. People can do what they like at the end of the day, but if Salah fecked off to Man City would be he applauded by Liverpool fans on his return? Not a scoobie of a chance and there are as many Salah fanboys currently. as there were Grealish fanboys. I sometimes wonder about our fanbase. Anyway I hope the official site has got the bunting up for Albrighton's return. Someone who at least didn't shaft us
They have already had that situation with Sterling.
Indeed.
Incidentally, one of my City fan friends pointed out to me that, while she thought it was totally fine for Liverpool fans to boo Sterling (and understandably hilarious for her to hear it), it was a bit bizarre that fans of other clubs did likewise. Like, what's it got to do with them?
yeah that's true I suppose, although a lot of that is just finding a surrogate reason to dislike an opposition player when you play them.
Which can all be perfectly good fun, I'm sure the City fans enjoyed booing Young as an ex-Red last night. Of course, as LeeB points out, those surrogate reasons can turn darker.
I remember this was the excuse for years in Italy for racist chanting, that it's just finding a way to needle everyone, so you make fun of their name or their marital problems or whatever. Needless to say, what horrible load of evil old bollocks.
I find the dislike for Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Joshua more to do with racism than them just being a pair of knobs In some peoples eyes
Conversely can someone not be disliked because they are just dickheads? Just because someone of colour is disliked its not always about their colour although it seems at times some people cannot accept anything else.
Lewis Hamilton - dickhead because of his dress sense (yes i am that shallow) his tax avoidance and he is not the most humble of people.
AJ - seemingly nice bloke but just a pretty (in my mind) average boxer that has been elevated way above his ability deserves. Hard to respect a HW boxer when he does so many tacky commercials and game shows.
Yes of course that is true
I just know when I’m in the pub I know exactly the people who will be haters on Hamilton and Joshua before they even open their mouths I just know and they have one thing in common
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Just by looking at them.......Isnt that racial stereotyping ;)
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Just by looking at them.......Isnt that racial stereotyping ;)
I know them as pub regulars
I know what I’m trying to say but probably not saying it very well
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The last two games have seen us relentlessly fouled on the break.
The refs need to stamp this out. It’s so bloody obvious what’s happening.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
So you're saying that British people take more interest (whether positively or negatively)in British sportsmen than German ones. Well I'll be damned.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
So you're saying that British people take more interest (whether positively or negatively)in British sportsmen than German ones. Well I'll be damned.
I'd have thought we'd take more interest in Germans being knobbers than laying in to one of ours so much.
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Just watched the challenge on Konsa and can't see how thats not a penalty. Ake males no contact whatsoever with the ball and yet wipes Konsa out. Whether Konsa could have controlled the ball or not is - as we know from bitter experience - not a reason not to award a penalty. Perhaps if our nemesis wasn't on VAR it might have been considered
Except when you learn Kevin Friend was the VAR.
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The last two games have seen us relentlessly fouled on the break.
The refs need to stamp this out. It’s so bloody obvious what’s happening.
In his post match interview Gerrard said that's what we should be doing for their second goal.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
So you're saying that British people take more interest (whether positively or negatively)in British sportsmen than German ones. Well I'll be damned.
I'd have thought we'd take more interest in Germans being knobbers than laying in to one of ours so much.
I thought they were both a pair of pricks, as I said in my earlier comment I don't generally have a high regard for F1 racing drivers, but I was making a point about Hamilton in reply to him being specifically mentioned in the previous post
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Hamilton is a monumentally dislikable character.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
So you're saying that British people take more interest (whether positively or negatively)in British sportsmen than German ones. Well I'll be damned.
I'd have thought we'd take more interest in Germans being knobbers than laying in to one of ours so much.
I couldn’t tell you a single fact about Vettel.
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The last two games have seen us relentlessly fouled on the break.
The refs need to stamp this out. It’s so bloody obvious what’s happening.
Or we need to wise up and do the same - I assumed this was what SG was referring to when he said we could have stopped (the breakaway for the second goal) it much earlier. Liverpool were the masters of the early foul inside the opposition half.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
So you're saying that British people take more interest (whether positively or negatively)in British sportsmen than German ones. Well I'll be damned.
I'd have thought we'd take more interest in Germans being knobbers than laying in to one of ours so much.
I couldn’t tell you a single fact about Vettel.
I prefer Evian
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I gave Grealish a round of fucks and booed him via Facebook. Thanks for everything but Super Shinsplints Sub can fuck off and count his money.
"He could have been a contender..."
But he prefers to be a bit-part player in a boring, hollowed-out shell of a club which replaced Man City.
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And as if Vettel (or lord help us Schumacher) weren't much bigger knobs.
So you're saying that British people take more interest (whether positively or negatively)in British sportsmen than German ones. Well I'll be damned.
I'd have thought we'd take more interest in Germans being knobbers than laying in to one of ours so much.
I couldn’t tell you a single fact about Vettel.
1) he's a right knob.
To be clear, I'm not saying that any individual disliking Hamilton or Sterling is necessarily to do with racism, of course not. In general terms however, you can't help but notice how black athletes (and artists and politicians and so on) seem to be playing with the deck stacked against them.
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Sanctimonious people outraged that Grealish got booed only emphasise why with every passing comment. 'He earned the club 100m' did he? Wow how grateful we should be.
Also City fans are so touchy and so full of excuses about the source of their success it's hilarious. 'Living within our revenue' [cough] ETIHAD DEAL [cough], etc. As if the fact that the sole reason for them being where they are wasn't that the spoilt hyperrich scions of an absolute monarchy took a break from oppressing women and homosexuals and dissidents and the poor to fly to Manchester, where they bought the first club they found.
Booing Grealish is about booing that. It's about the way that, in today's world, the rich can eat anybody's dream they wish to.
Listen to this pair of berks
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1466319131255447555?t=R79-eh1Odqkj80jrH0dMjA&s=19
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Hamilton is a prize tosser. I've never understood the appeal. Although I suppose like many up themselves sports icons, it's all to do with how good they are that their grotesque egos are overlooked. Ronaldo, Messi...tossers. (And minus the ego, would they achieve half what they did? Probably not).
Ibra on the other hand. Yes, an absolute bell end of the highest order but I kind of like him because he's taken his level of bellendishness to cartoon caricature levels. All that referring to himself in the third person etc. He makes being a dick an art form.
In terms of Raheem, I think he's mellowed/matured in the last few years. He certainly does get unnecessarily targeted by a section of England fans, despite the fact he's almost consistently our best player in big games. Whereas Kane as an example has been cut a lot more slack (I'm thinking the first three Euro games). Being a shithouse on the pitch and a bellend off it don't always come hand in hand.
I'll give Joe one thing, he's not wholly unlikeable. But I still wish him no success at City.
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As you just mentioned Raheem Sterling
He is one of those players for me who looks a lot better when you watch him live and up close than what he comes over on TV
I’m in the Doug lower towards the Holte so got to see him quite a lot at close quarters and was impressed with him last night
I’ve changed my mind a bit on him to be honest
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The last two games have seen us relentlessly fouled on the break.
The refs need to stamp this out. It’s so bloody obvious what’s happening.
In his post match interview Gerrard said that's what we should be doing for their second goal.
I may be just an old romantic but I hope we don't start doing that. Deliberate, tactical fouling is something I've always felt that Villa should be above.
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As you just mentioned Raheem Sterling
He is one of those players for me who looks a lot better when you watch him live and up close than what he comes over on TV
I’m in the Doug lower towards the Holte so got to see him quite a lot at close quarters and was impressed with him last night
I’ve changed my mind a bit on him to be honest
For all the shite he gets, and for all the Euro calls for him to be dropped for Jack/Phil, his numbers are incredible for his position. He was very good yesterday. Ironically he still gets criticised for his end product sometimes. This is what Joe is gonna have to contend with and get to the level of. Raheem has started 6 league games, despite being the City attacker who seems to come up with the goods more than many of the others historically.
Bernardo Silva has probably been one of the best players in the division this season. It's hard not to begrudgingly admire, even if City are playing with a cheat code.
Considering all that, I think we gave a good account of ourselves. It's almost sickening they are ravaged by injuries and still put out a lineup like that. FFP????
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This is a good little collection of some of our play last night. We played some lovely football at times. A bit more belief and more consistency and we are a pretty decent team.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1466402422847426563?s=21
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As you just mentioned Raheem Sterling
He is one of those players for me who looks a lot better when you watch him live and up close than what he comes over on TV
I’m in the Doug lower towards the Holte so got to see him quite a lot at close quarters and was impressed with him last night
I’ve changed my mind a bit on him to be honest
Was watching an England game and my pal commented that Sterling has short ams and when when runs he holds his arms in a T-Rex position. I can't unsee that now every time I watch him run.
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This is a good little collection of some of our play last night. We played some lovely football at times. A bit more belief and more consistency and we are a pretty decent team.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1466402422847426563?s=21
The first one there shows Citehs cynical fouling to a T. First Watkins dragged down, then Luiz taken out. All the citeh players where then taken aback by the play on and Watkins getting up and sprinting so were caught out of position.
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I'm just shocked and saddened by how many posters on here seem to like Formula One.
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I'm just shocked and saddened by how many posters on here seem to like Formula One.
Probably Top Gear and Muse as well. Dreadful business.
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This is a good little collection of some of our play last night. We played some lovely football at times. A bit more belief and more consistency and we are a pretty decent team.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1466402422847426563?s=21
The first one there shows Citehs cynical fouling to a T. First Watkins dragged down, then Luiz taken out. All the citeh players where then taken aback by the play on and Watkins getting up and sprinting so were caught out of position.
Yeah that's Guardiola's modus operandi. All his teams have done it. Fucking cynical cheating and they always get away with it. It's percentage-playing wank.
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I'm just shocked and saddened by how many posters on here seem to like Formula One.
Probably Top Gear and Muse as well. Dreadful business.
Single circle Venn diagram for me, Clive.
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Yawnchester City, bore the pants off me. The Etihad is like a library most of the time. Boring football, cynical fouling, bought every cup going and yet, despite their spending, the one trophy that will define them, remains elusive, because Pep was out-thought and out coached by Tuchel.
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Yawnchester City, bore the pants off me. The Etihad is like a library most of the time. Boring football, cynical fouling, bought every cup going and yet, despite their spending, the one trophy that will define them, remains elusive, because Pep was out-thought and out coached by Tuchel.
Long may the European cup be elusive
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I'm just shocked and saddened by how many posters on here seem to like Formula One.
Probably Top Gear and Muse as well. Dreadful business.
Single circle Venn diagram for me, Clive.
Sordid business that's better ignored.
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As you just mentioned Raheem Sterling
He is one of those players for me who looks a lot better when you watch him live and up close than what he comes over on TV
I’m in the Doug lower towards the Holte so got to see him quite a lot at close quarters and was impressed with him last night
I’ve changed my mind a bit on him to be honest
For all the shite he gets, and for all the Euro calls for him to be dropped for Jack/Phil, his numbers are incredible for his position. He was very good yesterday. Ironically he still gets criticised for his end product sometimes. This is what Joe is gonna have to contend with and get to the level of. Raheem has started 6 league games, despite being the City attacker who seems to come up with the goods more than many of the others historically.
Bernardo Silva has probably been one of the best players in the division this season. It's hard not to begrudgingly admire, even if City are playing with a cheat code.
Considering all that, I think we gave a good account of ourselves. It's almost sickening they are ravaged by injuries and still put out a lineup like that. FFP????
FFP may have been well-intentioned but its effect has been to ensure that only those with the biggest revenues may be allowed to set aside the biggest transfer budgets.
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FFP wasn’t well intentioned. It was designed to preserve the cartel.
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This is a good little collection of some of our play last night. We played some lovely football at times. A bit more belief and more consistency and we are a pretty decent team.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1466402422847426563?s=21
For everyone saying Buendia was rubbish first half, well, even then there were flashes. I think you can see here how Gerrard will help him - players closer to each other and moving more off the ball, providing more angles, he'll be able to move the ball quicker.
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I'm just shocked and saddened by how many posters on here seem to like Formula One.
If it was on in my back garden I’d draw the curtains
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FFP wasn’t well intentioned. It was designed to preserve the cartel.
Maybe I am not cynical enough but
I allways believed it was I’ll conceived by people that do not understand Finance, the idea that you can control financial profligacy by using an income statement ratio only is pretty dumb. financial institutions manage risk through a combination of Balance Sheet and Trading statement calculations or covenants to control other critical risks like leverage and cash.
This would not be difficult to put in place but I doubt there is the appetite and there are too many interests vested in maintaining the status quo.
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I'm just shocked and saddened by how many posters on here seem to like Formula One.
Probably Top Gear and Muse as well. Dreadful business.
Single circle Venn diagram for me, Clive.
Bugger off you. I can't stand Muse.
On less important matters, Sterling is brilliant and has been for a while. As for losing again to a medal-buying franchise, it depresses the shit out of me. Losing to Burnley is fine because it's a game of football. Losing to a billionaire plaything just feels like we're the Washington Generals. It's made worse because I never, ever want Villa to be a club that spaffs money on collecting the best players of other teams, so the alternative is to be the perennial opposition in what amounts to little more than exhibition matches.
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Did anyone else find the atmosphere strangely flat last night?
Good. Creating a good atmosphere for their visit legitimises them.
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in fairness to City fans - the seasons before they were successful and they were shit, they always brought a good following to Villa Park
Remember them winning 5-1 and David White getting a hat trick or was it 4? as I walked out all I could hear was their lot singing "Blue Moon".
We all crave for our team to win trophies, personally if we have to buy our way to achieving this then I am happy to do that, the thought of season after season of being an also ran (as we have been for far too many seasons) is depressing, hopefully we will next season be competing, when Steven has got rid of quite a few players who are just not good enough to help us challenge for honours.
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Muse are absolutely awful.
Just felt the need to be clear on this point.
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Muse are absolutely awful.
Just felt the need to be clear on this point.
I was watching The Long Way Up the other day, that thing where Ewen McGregor and his posh side kick twat around on bikes, and Ewen did a brief acoustic rendition of a tune that I thought sounded quite charming. Googled the lyrics only to find it was a Muse song. Sent myself to bed early with no supper.
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in fairness to City fans - the seasons before they were successful and they were shit, they always brought a good following to Villa Park
Remember them winning 5-1 and David White getting a hat trick or was it 4? as I walked out all I could hear was their lot singing "Blue Moon".
We all crave for our team to win trophies, personally if we have to buy our way to achieving this then I am happy to do that, the thought of season after season of being an also ran (as we have been for far too many seasons) is depressing, hopefully we will next season be competing, when Steven has got rid of quite a few players who are just not good enough to help us challenge for honours.
David White was in my club a couple of weeks ago with Joe Corrigan, Sinclair and Kevin Horlock for a Man City supporters thing
He has ballooned somewhat
I said to my little lad see that massive bloke over there He used to be as fast as fuck and terrorise defences
It’s a good job I’ve kept myself in Brad Pitt condition all these years 😀
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This is a good little collection of some of our play last night. We played some lovely football at times. A bit more belief and more consistency and we are a pretty decent team.
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1466402422847426563?s=21
Some great stuff which you don't always appreciate when watching on tv. Buendia heavily involved
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Looks like we were stuffed on the Konsa penalty shout. Not much point in having VAR if the end product is the ESL clubs getting the big decisions, as normal.