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Title: Steven Gerrard - Our Current Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 10:03:58 AM
He's officially here. Don't be shit.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: bilsim on November 11, 2021, 10:04:49 AM
Wow, hope he brings Coutinho in January!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 10:05:09 AM
Three and a half year deal.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:05:15 AM
Welcome to the greatest club you will ever be associated with.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 11, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
Welcome Steven - be great please.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 11, 2021, 10:05:23 AM
Good luck Steven. Appreciate what you've attained and make the most of it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: wince on November 11, 2021, 10:05:28 AM
He is here. Good luck, win us some games and get us safe
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 11, 2021, 10:05:47 AM
welcome Steven ,  first Villa manager younger than me , I feel old
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: tim on November 11, 2021, 10:06:34 AM
Hmmmm.... This had better be good,
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on November 11, 2021, 10:06:39 AM
Ok, I’m in the minority here. But actually, despite my initial reservations - I’m quite excited by this appointment.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mallo on November 11, 2021, 10:06:48 AM
Good luck - you're going to need a bit of it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
Welcome... I think.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cannock villa on November 11, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
Welcome Steve, carry on the great tradition of former Merseyside managers UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
Welcome...I think.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dr Butler on November 11, 2021, 10:08:31 AM
Steven Gerrard's Claret and Blue Army......

just do your best and win some games.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 11, 2021, 10:09:28 AM
Not sure if I’m deflated or excited , which is strange.

But he’s here, let’s get behind him. If he’s wanted by Liverpool in a couple of years, then he’s done a good job.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 10:09:37 AM
yeah, good luck. May you prove the doubters wrong like MFH.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Villatillidie25 on November 11, 2021, 10:11:16 AM
Welcome Steven G. Don't be shit and don't have too much of a love-in with that red scouse lot and you'll be alright
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
Disappointed but he is here now so….
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2021, 10:12:12 AM
Good luck Gerrard, bring us that FA Cup and you'll be a hero forever.

Always exciting to have a new manager. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scovilla on November 11, 2021, 10:13:04 AM
He is here. Good luck, win us some games and get us safe
Exactly. Winning games is all i want.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 11, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Good luck Steven Gerrard.

Haters are gonna hate but this has made my day!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2021, 10:13:40 AM
"Steven Gerrard's Claret and Blue Army......"
 
Difficult song to sing, that!

What do we call him?
- Steven G? Hell, no!
- Steven Gerrard? - nah!
- Mr Gerrard? Maybe that works for the time being.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Grocer on November 11, 2021, 10:13:58 AM
Bets of luck Steven.

Sad to see Dean go but I think it may how been time for a change...only time will tell.

Whilst I have had some reservations about Gerrard I am hoping it can use his drive and winning mentality to the benefit of the team, supported by the tactical expertise of his assistants. I'm quite excited by this, although I always seem to be overly positive when we have a new manager or player!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 11, 2021, 10:14:34 AM
Good Luck Steve - you will need it !
Hope to shake your hand next time you walk past my house :) or we meet in The Freshie
I think the back room staff appointments are going to be very significant ........we need someone to get the players fit and competitive
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:14:37 AM
"Bloke in a tracksuit's Claret and Blue army!"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on November 11, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
Muppet reporter on Sky just said “ the American owners were careful to do their due diligence as it’s the first major appointment they have made since taking over….”
The re- writing of history to turn us into a plastic club has begun.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 10:15:50 AM
Welcome Steve and good luck.  Please be brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
Welcome Steven - good luck and wish you the best

Get a bloody midfielder in January , maybe like yourself , and get us where we belong.

You know what , I reckon this might work out.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 11, 2021, 10:16:42 AM
"Steven Gerrard's Claret and Blue Army......"
 
Difficult song to sing, that!

What do we call him?
- Steven G? Hell, no!
- Steven Gerrard? - nah!
- Mr Gerrard? Maybe that works for the time being.


Dean became Deano ......Steve = Stevo  :(
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
Welcome Steven g to this wonderful club. You get my 100%backing. Bring that winning coaching career to us and you will be loved
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 10:18:13 AM
Good luck Steven, I've always loved you, I swear. I also love Rangers and Liverpool.

#Followfollow #YNWA #StevieGsStevieGArmy
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mikeb1982 on November 11, 2021, 10:18:42 AM
The Times already mentions "an emotional return to Anfield on 11th December..." It's started already.  Captained and managed by fans to unwilling plastic scousers in a few short months... At least for HRH Steven-G to achieve his pre-ordained destiny of the Liverpool job he needs to do well for us.  Good luck.  More curious than excited but let's keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 10:18:48 AM
Captain, Leader, Legend.

Seriously though all the best. Get us in to Europe during your initial contract and I'll forget I ever doubted you. Let's piss on some chips.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 11, 2021, 10:19:15 AM
Good luck and I hope it’s an amazing successful career with Villa
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 11, 2021, 10:19:18 AM
Not my choice, but welcome to the greatest club in the land. DON'T fuck it up!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 10:19:29 AM
No way i'm calling him Steven under any circumstances. Mr Gerrard for me. He can cut out that winking as well.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 11, 2021, 10:19:45 AM
No mention of backroom staff?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 11, 2021, 10:19:52 AM
Not my choice, but will give him my support just like previous managers
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: enigma on November 11, 2021, 10:20:24 AM
Might not have been my first choice but I'm also not as against it as many on here. What he did at Rangers in Europe as well as domestically deserves a bit more respect and his man management and dealings with the media seem pretty good from what I've seen. I like that he has very high standards and doesn't hold back from letting the players know when they're not hitting them.

Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2021, 10:20:57 AM
Underwhelmed
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 10:21:13 AM
No mention of backroom staff?

All expected to come.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Welcome. Win games.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nev on November 11, 2021, 10:22:13 AM
Sky bleating on about when we face Liverpool this season home and away.

I've had enough already.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ursineultra on November 11, 2021, 10:23:12 AM
Underwhelmed
Yup.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on November 11, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
Rubbish
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: charleeco7 on November 11, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
He’s here so I’ll get behind him but wouldn’t have been my choice and struggle to see how will improve us as too inexperienced for me.
On the other side my 9 year old is ecstatic.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: darren woolley on November 11, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Steven.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: not3bad on November 11, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
Take us forward Steven. Play good football. Win games. Put one or two shiny items in the trophy cabinet. All the best.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: caster troy on November 11, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
A true Lerner appointment. 2011 vibes. Lets hope that we at least spend big in Jan to get some excitement because this appointment is seriously underwhelming.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2021, 10:26:30 AM
I always get a bit of excitement with a new Manager.  I am devoid of feeling anything at the moment.  That might be a good thing as usually the excitement is soon turned to disappointment.  I now have a glimmer of hope on the basis the last scouser we had managing us did okay didn't he?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 11, 2021, 10:26:35 AM
Well he’s here, will get behind him. No Steven G palesse!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 11, 2021, 10:26:49 AM
I've come round to it a bit more now. My biggest fear with English ex-Pros is lack of tactical nouse (in Italy, youth players have tactics lessons) and the prospect of bomb on, get it in the mixer type gormless football. I am hoping he proves me wrong there, but the main thing is, we don't have bad players and should at least be midtable, so we mainly need him to be focussed, make it clear to the players what they need to be doing, and get away from the chopping and changing of the last few weeks.

He and his team now have plenty of time before the Brighton game to warch vids of our last few matches and determine what's going wrong and where it needs fixing. That first teamsheet is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 10:26:53 AM
Welcome. Get us playing well and winning games. Don't wibble on about Liverpool too much.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 11, 2021, 10:27:10 AM
He's officially here. Don't be shit.

That's exactly the level of enthusiasm I can muster too.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 10:27:39 AM
I've tried to get excited about this, but I just can't shake the feeling of sheer mediocrity I'm getting from it. Ah well, go on Steven, prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john2710 on November 11, 2021, 10:27:45 AM
He / the club can do nothing about the media wankfest over the Liverpool game.

Welcome to Aston Villa.

I think (hope) we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
From Pravda:

CEO Christian Purslow said: “The Board of Aston Villa are delighted to appoint Steven as our new Head Coach.

“Since moving into coaching after his illustrious playing career, Steven began by managing and developing top young players in the Liverpool FC Academy which is experience we value highly at Aston Villa.

“He then took the brave decision to test himself in the intense and high pressured environment of the Scottish Old Firm. His subsequent achievement in winning the Premiership title with Glasgow Rangers really caught our eye as did his experience in Europe.

“It has been very clear in our discussions with him that Steven’s coaching ambitions, philosophy and values entirely match those of Aston Villa.

“We are excited he has agreed to lead us in the next phase of our ambitious plans as we look to build on the progress made since Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens took over the club in 2018.”

Exactly what I've been suggesting. They see him as working well in the environment they've spent three years putting together.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 11, 2021, 10:29:17 AM
Steve Geees Claret & Red army !
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 10:29:17 AM
Welcome. Get us playing well and winning games. Don't wibble on about Liverpool ever.

Slight tweak required.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nev on November 11, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
He / the club can do nothing about the media wankfest over the Liverpool game.

Welcome to Aston Villa.

I think (hope) we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
UTV

That's true but we still have to put up with it which is bearable if we're doing well but if not....
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 10:32:45 AM
He / the club can do nothing about the media wankfest over the Liverpool game.

Welcome to Aston Villa.

I think (hope) we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
UTV

That's true but we still have to put up with it which is bearable if we're doing well but if not....

Best way to make that palatable would be to beat them. Then we can all be condescending about them.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 11, 2021, 10:34:51 AM
No way i'm calling him Steven under any circumstances. Mr Gerrard for me. He can cut out that winking as well.


Churlishly, I'm going to stick with Slippy. Capitalised, obvs.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
It is what it is.

He wasn't what I would've gone for, but I have some hope as I don't think he's stupid or suffers fools easily, he's no Tim Sherwood for sure.

Good luck and be ace.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dicedlam on November 11, 2021, 10:37:15 AM
If he can get that shower of shit to resemble anything like playing half decent football again, then he has got my backing. Not my first choice, but good luck anyway.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 10:40:37 AM
It's a gamble and it's an unnecessary one. But I trust they know what they're doing so as ever the manager of Aston Villa will get my full backing. Please don't screw up Steven. Good luck. UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2021, 10:41:01 AM
This is going to be a shit appointment.

Can't believe we sacked Dean for this. I'm not happy.

Yes he will get my support and I hope he proves me wrong and all that but this is very underwhelming. This is a Sherwood/Di Matteo type appointment.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 10:41:41 AM
From Pravda:

CEO Christian Purslow said: “The Board of Aston Villa are delighted to appoint Steven as our new Head Coach.

“Since moving into coaching after his illustrious playing career, Steven began by managing and developing top young players in the Liverpool FC Academy which is experience we value highly at Aston Villa.

“He then took the brave decision to test himself in the intense and high pressured environment of the Scottish Old Firm. His subsequent achievement in winning the Premiership title with Glasgow Rangers really caught our eye as did his experience in Europe.

“It has been very clear in our discussions with him that Steven’s coaching ambitions, philosophy and values entirely match those of Aston Villa.

“We are excited he has agreed to lead us in the next phase of our ambitious plans as we look to build on the progress made since Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens took over the club in 2018.”

Exactly what I've been suggesting. They see him as working well in the environment they've spent three years putting together.

aye. Not really known for his youth progression at Rangers though. I'm not sure how winning the SPL catches your eye either.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 11, 2021, 10:43:17 AM
A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings an ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DB on November 11, 2021, 10:43:58 AM
Oh well, let's see....
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: maidstonevillain on November 11, 2021, 10:44:31 AM
Wouldn't have been my choice. But good luck.
Please don't be O'Leary Mk. 2.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: andyh on November 11, 2021, 10:44:51 AM
What’s that ****** Danny Murphy said about it ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Villa Lew on November 11, 2021, 10:44:59 AM
Welcome to our great club Steven, if you turn out to be as good a manager as you were a player, that will more than do for me.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 11, 2021, 10:45:40 AM
Welcome to the Villa, Steven, and good luck!

(still not convinced, but his appointment is winding up a Liverpool fan (who has Albion sympathies) mate big time, and it's fcuking hilarious!)



Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lizz on November 11, 2021, 10:45:46 AM
Just had a message from a Liverpool born supporting friend describing him as mean spirited and shrewd.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smithy on November 11, 2021, 10:47:07 AM
I said in the manager thread that I thought we could do better, someone with a more proven track-record, but that if he came he'd get my full support.

So, welcome Steven, to the best job you'll ever have.  Please get the team playing well - there is some serious talent in this squad - and please PLEASE prove the doubters wrong on the 11th December.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: London Villan on November 11, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Makes sense why we held back on spending in the summer. He'll have a decent budget in January - hopefully.

Let the media love-in commence.

Let's win next Saturday.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 11, 2021, 10:48:14 AM
Just had a message from a Liverpool born supporting friend describing him as mean spirited and shrewd.
Well, that's a good start. I don't want him all cuddly and bearing flowers!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.

My thoughts exactly. It could be, but 'definite'? No sir.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 10:49:39 AM
Well of course I hope that he does very well.

Maybe his playing profile will attract the calibre of players that we need to make progress, maybe the current players will want to impress him and aspire to do as much on the field as he did.

Best of British.....
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Billy Walker on November 11, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
  May there be method in the madness.  Welcome Steven - please prove me wrong. UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 11, 2021, 10:52:07 AM
I'm stealing another posters' thunder by saying I'm whelmed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2021, 10:53:07 AM
A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.

My thoughts exactly. It could be, but 'definite'? No sir.

There's no definite about anyone where the Villa are concerned.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 10:53:28 AM
Is it odd to be more excited about the back room team he's bringing over?

Anyway welcome to Villa Steven Gerrard, hope your a success!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Le Lapin on November 11, 2021, 10:53:30 AM
Steven Fcuking G.....Ah here. What a massive gamble. All I can say I suppose is , welcome to our wonderful club, and I wish you the very best of luck.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 11, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.

Rubbish read my quote again.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 10:53:43 AM
Danny Murphy spotted checking into the Belfry, has he even done his coaching badges?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2021, 10:53:55 AM
Welcome Steven Gerrard, be good.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 11, 2021, 10:54:16 AM
Welcome Steven to the hardest job you'll ever have in your life.

The players need a kick up the arse, and I'm sure his standards will demand it.

I really hope it works out.

UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: TonyD on November 11, 2021, 10:56:35 AM
Virtually all managerial appointments are a gamble.

This is both a gamble and depressing. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 10:58:39 AM
A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.

Rubbish read my quote again.
I have. Three times and you definitely said "definite upgrade" which is rubbish. He might be an upgrade and he might not only time will tell but nothing is definite and I don't see how you come to that conclusion considering he's only managed in Scotland and has never managed in the Premier league.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 11, 2021, 10:59:51 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 11:00:36 AM
Well of course I hope that he does very well.

Maybe his playing profile will attract the calibre of players that we need to make progress, maybe the current players will want to impress him and aspire to do as much on the field as he did.

Best of British.....

Yeah, the strategy that's worked so well for a decade and a half...

I just, you know, maybe it's a bias or a prejudice or what have you, but how is it we've appointed four managers with Old Firm connections in that time, and apparently never even looked at the Bundesliga? It seems so parochial.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brackley on November 11, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
A yellow card worthy tackle on the Mings ego please Steven. Go for the big bloke first and the rest will fall into line.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 11, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
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A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.

Rubbish read my quote again.


I have. Three times and you definitely said "definite upgrade" which is rubbish. He might be an upgrade and he might not only time will tell but nothing is definite and I don't see how you come to that conclusion considering he's only managed in Scotland and has never managed in the Premier league.
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So you don't think he's an upgrade on Smith???????
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2021, 11:03:10 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.

Agreed. Managerial appointment just dosen't excite me, all feels a bit flat and has air of when Houllier rocked up, capable manager but just wasn't the right fit for us at time he came.

Hope I'm wrong but I don't see him taking us to the heights we want to go.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 11, 2021, 11:03:54 AM
So, it’s confirmed then.
Big call by the silver tongued ceo.
Now for the results on the pitch.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 11:04:53 AM
Just had a message from a Liverpool born supporting friend describing him as mean spirited and shrewd.

Fairly good qualities for a manager I would say. I thought that he spoke and carried himself very well at his previous club and was generally impressed with his demeanour. People underestimate just how intense the scrutiny is up there. 

Anyway welcome Steven G, Let's go!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
Virtually all managerial appointments are a gamble.

This is both a gamble and depressing.

Calculated gambles usually. This is very much a long shot based primarily on Gerrard's profile as a former top quality player.

Others came to us before with strong(ish) CVs and were disasters (Garde and RDM come to mind). But that wasn't a valid reason to swap out Smith for Gerrard for me.

He has a lot of talented players in that squad but needs to quickly find a coherent way of getting them playing with and without the ball.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mrfuse on November 11, 2021, 11:06:53 AM
Warming to the idea after reading about his backroom staff and tactics.

Looks like we will play 4-3-3 narrow with wingbacks pushing on. It will suit Cash but not Target so much possibly.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 11:07:31 AM
It is what it is.

He wasn't what I would've gone for, but I have some hope as I don't think he's stupid or suffers fools easily, he's no Tim Sherwood for sure.

Good luck and be ace.

For the first and only time ever, I agree with LeeB.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on November 11, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 11:08:58 AM
I would add that, whilst I'm not disgruntled, I'm some way from being comfortably gruntled.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 11:09:31 AM
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A good appointment and definite upgrade. Brings and ambitious winning mentality which is sorely needed. Put it this way I don't expect to see him scratching his arse and gurning on the touchline while Arsenal run rings around us for 45 mins.
Definite upgrade? He's a rookie and it's a gamble which I think we all hope will pay off but there's nothing definite about any of this.

Rubbish read my quote again.


I have. Three times and you definitely said "definite upgrade" which is rubbish. He might be an upgrade and he might not only time will tell but nothing is definite and I don't see how you come to that conclusion considering he's only managed in Scotland and has never managed in the Premier league.

So you don't think he's an upgrade on Smith???????
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I don't know. Nobody knows because he's untried against top clubs and top coaches. Like I said only time will tell and I hope and pray he goes on to be a roaring success.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 11:09:47 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: thick_mike on November 11, 2021, 11:10:43 AM
Mid-whelmed
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on November 11, 2021, 11:11:32 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Nor me. I stole that one off P. G. Wodehouse !
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
I've elevated myself to ambivalent.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 11:13:09 AM
It appears to me that a lot of the antagonism from when he was first mentioned was probably more to do with the upset in Smith being sacked.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Nor me. I stole that one off P. G. Wodehouse !

Does he post on here?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
I'm impressed by the way he speaks having gone back through some of his interviews. He seems switched on.

His coaching staff look good to me too and he has done a very good job of turning around a decade of dominance with all the intrinsic advantages Celtic had.

No doubt that it is a gamble, but in the calculation is a good squad, money to spend, a really good backroom structure, the best academy in the country and 40,000 every other week.

We're all there ready to go and achieve something, hopefully Gerrard is the ignition. Park your reservations and get behind him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Luffbralion on November 11, 2021, 11:15:20 AM
Not my preference.  Given that all managerial appointments have an element of risk I'm happy to eat my words if this turns out to be a masterstroke....I'm old enough to remember my indifference when one Ron Saunders, another Scouser, got the job in 1974!

He's done a very comprehensive job at Ibrox (I understand their fans are gutted) and I'm hoping he can provide some tactical astuteness (with the help of his much vaunted management staff) as well as bringing through our crop of youngsters.

In the first few games I'd like to see more "zip" from the team...we've been far too ponderous and submissive recently.

Fasten your seatbelts for the next stage of the ride.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2021, 11:15:28 AM
Good luck Steven. I hope your footballing philosophy reflects the football you played in some very good Liverpool sides. We need a stronger midfield presence and a desire to win every single game. This is the best job you’ll ever have as so many former managers have discovered. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 11:15:35 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Nor me. I stole that one off P. G. Wodehouse !

Does he post on here?

I've always thought that Flinstone's posts have a certain Wodehousian feel to them, with his penchant for high farce.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 11:15:47 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Nor me. I stole that one off P. G. Wodehouse !

Does he post on here?
He sometimes posts match predictions under the pseudonym P.G Tips.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: villabear on November 11, 2021, 11:15:59 AM
Wouldn't have been my choice but welcome to the best club in the world Steve.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 11:17:07 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Nor me. I stole that one off P. G. Wodehouse !

If he walks into the press conference calling everyone 'old horse' and refers to dropping players as sending them to the Bastille without the option, all will be forgiven.

For now, I resemble one who, while picking daisies on the railway line, has suddenly caught the Down Express in the small of the back.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 11:17:16 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!
Nor me. I stole that one off P. G. Wodehouse !

So did I!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2021, 11:17:40 AM
It appears to me that a lot of the antagonism from when he was first mentioned was probably more to do with the upset in Smith being sacked.

Not in my case, I assumed that changing managers was to bring in a proven upgrade. We haven’t.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 11:18:34 AM
It appears to me that a lot of the antagonism from when he was first mentioned was probably more to do with the upset in Smith being sacked.

Not in my case, I assumed that changing managers was to bring in a proven upgrade. We haven’t.

There's really no such thing as a proven upgrade though.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 11:19:25 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.

I hope he is. He's got the owners to make it a possibility.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: robbo1874 on November 11, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
Just been drinking with a Cheshire L’pool fan and been assured we’ll be fine. Hope so, we’ll see. Welcome Steven. Can’t help thinking of the Bo Selecta episodes with the Bear and Squirrel 😂
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
Well of course I hope that he does very well.

Maybe his playing profile will attract the calibre of players that we need to make progress, maybe the current players will want to impress him and aspire to do as much on the field as he did.

Best of British.....

Yeah, the strategy that's worked so well for a decade and a half...

I just, you know, maybe it's a bias or a prejudice or what have you, but how is it we've appointed four managers with Old Firm connections in that time, and apparently never even looked at the Bundesliga? It seems so parochial.

Well there is a bit of straw clutching in my post, but now it's done I'm determined to try and see the positives.

I agree with the second point, I think I remember reading that in Germany, you have to put in 6x the amount of coaching hours to get your Pro License than you do here. Also surprised we dont take more players from Germany as well.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: aev on November 11, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
It appears to me that a lot of the antagonism from when he was first mentioned was probably more to do with the upset in Smith being sacked.

Not in my case, I assumed that changing managers was to bring in a proven upgrade. We haven’t.

An upgrade in results I reckon.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: wince on November 11, 2021, 11:20:22 AM
We’ve got Steven g, oh what can it mean, he’s a scouser in the best football team.

Songs aren’t my specialty
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 11, 2021, 11:20:35 AM
Wishing the new gaffer and staff all the best.
This will be some ride I reckon.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.

I really hope so.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: jwarry on November 11, 2021, 11:21:49 AM
We’ve got Steven g, oh what can it mean, he’s a scouser in the best football team.

Songs aren’t my specialty

You don’t say
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2021, 11:22:10 AM
It appears to me that a lot of the antagonism from when he was first mentioned was probably more to do with the upset in Smith being sacked.

Some of that, certainly from me. Hope and endorphins are now returning, and I look forward to watching a new hard edged, cynical but effective team taking shape, it's what we need.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: johnc on November 11, 2021, 11:23:25 AM
Is this just a Purslow vanity project?  I hope not
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2021, 11:23:37 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.

And what's the measure of that?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2021, 11:24:33 AM
It appears to me that a lot of the antagonism from when he was first mentioned was probably more to do with the upset in Smith being sacked.

Not in my case, I assumed that changing managers was to bring in a proven upgrade. We haven’t.

There's really no such thing as a proven upgrade though.

Of course there is. Some managers have better records than others in a comparable league. Gerrard has only ever managed in a minor footballing nation with only one other club as serious competition.

Of course, he might be great but it’s a gamble at the moment and expectations seem to be based more on wishful thinking than anything else.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 11, 2021, 11:24:58 AM
What’s that ****** Danny Murphy said about it ?

That Villa are too small for him and he should have gone to Norwich instead
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.

And what's the measure of that?

We haven't qualified for any form of european competition since May 2010 (Spurs as example last failed to qualify for europe in 2009 season).

So that's a metric he can be judged on given it's stated club ambition to achieve it in next 18 months.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 11:25:46 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.

So do I although there are no guarantees in football. I was pretty sure he'd flop at Ibrox but he proved me wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: django on November 11, 2021, 11:26:11 AM
It only really makes sense if you feel like Steven Gerrard is bigger than Aston Villa. It seems our chief exec and plenty of our support feel that way. Nothing he's done in his coaching career has suggested he's worthy of this job and is the man to take us to the next level. It suggests Purslow and the owners are prepared to make key decisions based on name recognition rather than someones CV which I find rather worrying.

Also, there was a quote to say wed speak to various people and take our time to make the right appointment, that clearly hasn't happened.

Obviously the usual caveats apply about hoping i'm wrong and wishing the nasal scouse prick all the best!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on November 11, 2021, 11:26:58 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Football Club
 
Please address our Backup Goalkeeper situation in January as a matter of emergency and sort that Midfield out


Flin5tone
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 11:27:02 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

Why not? I would hope they all start with a clean slate.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 11:27:05 AM
https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/club-Statement-11-11/59uIWHbnTGNvF7wRXO1oAI

Pretty lengthy and effusive statement given the circumstances of his departure.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 11:27:25 AM
Just to have it on record - I think he is going to be a success here.

And what's the measure of that?

Shush will you. I purposefully didn't include that.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2021, 11:28:12 AM
One advantage over DS at least to me is Gerrard will be pretty headstrong in his decisions.

I'd be amazed if we're struggling early in a second half and he'll be just having long cosy chats with his assistants before deciding just to wait another 10 minutes.

If he feels we need to make a change or tweak the formation for 10 minutes then I think he'd do it without hesitation and then have to answer if it worked or not after the match.

That was always my frustration with Dean along with many on this forum so one of asks from Gerrard is him to be confident in his in game management and I think he will be.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DeKuip on November 11, 2021, 11:28:27 AM
Welcome to The Villa Mr Gerrard and coaches, and good luck.
Take no notice of the bullshit you heard at the interview about the global project and brand and world dominance - we really don’t want to become everything we despise.
Good, exciting football to watch is your remit. Send us home happy most weeks, and give the FA Cup a real go please - none of us enjoyed your 35th birthday in the end!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 11:28:49 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.

Was going to say, evidence suggest he'll give him every chance to be fair.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DC1874 on November 11, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
If he gets us Top 6 this year (or even next) job done. He succeeds and inherits Klopps mantle/we succeed and get an elite manager next. It's going to be a symbiotic relationship. As someone recently said "if you want loyalty get a dog". May faith in the romance of football dies when Joe did one in the summer. This is a hard headed business decision, acted upon swiftly. Let's just give the new manager the backing he needs and hope the players pull their socks up now!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 11:29:22 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

Why not? I would hope they all start with a clean slate.

Just don't think he'll fancy him for footballing reasons - too lightweight. Could be totally wrong and yeah i'm sure they'll all have a clean slate
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

Why not? I would hope they all start with a clean slate.

Just don't think he'll fancy him for footballing reasons - too lightweight. Could be totally wrong and yeah i'm sure they'll all have a clean slate

Even Davis.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 11:32:02 AM
Steady on now!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 11:35:03 AM
We’ve got Steven g, oh what can it mean, he’s a scouser in the best football team.

Songs aren’t my specialty

It started badly, sagged in the middle and the less said about the end the better, but all in all, not bad.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 11, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
 Like it or not whether it's good or bad he'll raise the profile of our club to another level.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Harvevillain on November 11, 2021, 11:40:24 AM
Because they are good, most of the top managers are in work, those moaning that we have made a mistake would have trouble naming any other top managers with teams in Europe, that would leave their jobs to come to us. Gerard knows how to win in Europe, and certainly how to qualify. By all accounts it was he who did the motivating and rollickings (thanks autocorrect!) when Raffa was manager of Liverpool. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2021, 11:40:32 AM
The one positive is that I'm sure he will go all out in January to get us a midfield enforcer.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
I  think first person he will bin is nakamba. Definitely not a gerrad type player. I think targett and buendia could also be introuble if they dont improve
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2021, 11:41:18 AM
A brave and intriguing appointment. Welcome Steven G.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: robbo1874 on November 11, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
Aggggghhh! It’s doing my head in now thinking about it. As much as I want it to work, I just see a big fucking train wreck. Anyone got some weed?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
There’s no doubt we will have extra attention paid to us whenever we play. I just hope it doesn’t become Steven Gerrard’s Aston Villa much like it was more about Martin O’Neill. We’re a massive club that needs to realize that again. In the modern game with the success enjoyed by Chelsea, Man U, Man City, Liverpool etc we’ve become forgotten as a result of our struggles. We need a sustained period of good performances and good media to go with it to get the types of players we will need for sustained success.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.

Perhaps. We really need someone knowledgeable with the going-ons north of the border to analyize Mr. Gerrard's signings with Rangers for clues
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on November 11, 2021, 11:43:52 AM
I doubt there is one person who on the day Smith was sacked was hoping that Gerrard would be his replacement.

Obviously, like everyone else, I hope that he’s a huge success but I do think there’s a bit of optimism here based on little more than wishful thinking at the moment as there’s is so little evidence, one way or the other, to make a call on his managerial qualities.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 11, 2021, 11:45:42 AM
If he doesn't work out he won't be the only one getting the sack.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rigadon on November 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Just have a feeling he’ll be a really good fit and surprise a few doubters. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 11:47:22 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!

Could have told you that years ago mate! ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2021, 11:47:23 AM
A really weird appointment given the reasons for losing the last manager, one which smacks of Purslow getting starry eyed.

I look forward to SG proving me wrong.

Admins: can we pre-emptively have a text replacement added turning "Steven G" to "Steven Gerrard"?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 11:48:12 AM

Admins: can we pre-emptively have a text replacement added turning "Steven G" to "Steven Gerrard"?

Seconded
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 11:48:35 AM
A really weird appointment given the reasons for losing the last manager?

I don't get you. The reason for getting rid of Smith was that he was performing badly.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 11:49:52 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.

Perhaps. We really need someone knowledgeable with the going-ons north of the border to analyize Mr. Gerrard's signings with Rangers for clues

Again, it's so difficult to judge his success in the transfer market given the budget he had and the attractiveness to players of playing in Scotland.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Allan C on November 11, 2021, 11:50:56 AM
Another in a list of unimaginative, un-ambitious manager appointments in my opinion. But like the others before him, I’ll support the team through thick and thin and hope for the best
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 11, 2021, 11:51:17 AM
If he sorts our midfield out I'll be chuffed
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2021, 11:51:19 AM
Dean Smith was fired for underperforming at his objectives in year 3 and into year 4 having spent an immense amount of money. Upon his departure Europe was absolutely not on the cards and it was a relegation battle instead. Steven Gerrard’s objectives will be to stabilize the current position and show growth towards a European spot. The mission remains the same.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
A really weird appointment given the reasons for losing the last manager?

I don't get you. The reason for getting rid of Smith was that he was performing badly.

The general line of thought being that we hadn't progressed and Smith clearly (as we all saw multiple times this season and last) can't make that jump. Given that, I'd expect them to appoint someone on the basis that they have what it takes to do that - where is there any real evidence to suggest Gerrard is any better positioned than Smith to do that?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 11:52:18 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

Why not? I would hope they all start with a clean slate.

Buendia is exactly the sort of player he'll love, works hard in attack and defence. Traore is one that may suffer.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 11:53:11 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.

Perhaps. We really need someone knowledgeable with the going-ons north of the border to analyize Mr. Gerrard's signings with Rangers for clues

Again, it's so difficult to judge his success in the transfer market given the budget he had and the attractiveness to players of playing in Scotland.

yeah, looking at their squad its a culture shock, but i'd like to know if he likes a big man up front for starters, or a striker  or tricky wingers etc...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 11:54:27 AM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

Why not? I would hope they all start with a clean slate.

Just don't think he'll fancy him for footballing reasons - too lightweight. Could be totally wrong and yeah i'm sure they'll all have a clean slate

Even Davis.

He played with Heskey...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PhilVill on November 11, 2021, 11:55:01 AM
I'm sticking my neck on line and think it'll be a good appointment. I know many on here aren't too happy but if he gets the team back up the league and gets the midfield sorted (desperately needed) then it really doesn't matter who he is. Good luck to him and the rest of the backroom, contribute much to getting this great club back to where it belongs.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 11:55:22 AM
Is this just a Purslow vanity project?  I hope not


I'm just in from the hospital and was going to post exactly that.  I do believe that Christian Purslow is above that, at least I hope so.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 11:55:37 AM


Admins: can we pre-emptively have a text replacement added turning "Steven G" to "Steven Gerrard"?

This is a wonderful idea.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: rougegorge on November 11, 2021, 11:56:08 AM
Obviously we don't know yet whether he will be successful, but I think whoever was appointed, there would have been a fair number of 'not my preference' responses on here.

It's a good profile appointment for the club and hopefully it works.

I think he is probably the best player ever to have managed us, so the inner drive to be successful should be a given.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DeKuip on November 11, 2021, 11:57:14 AM

Admins: can we pre-emptively have a text replacement added turning "Steven G" to "Steven Gerrard"?

Seconded
Or “Signore Gerrardi”
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 11:57:52 AM
Whelmed seems to be the word of the day.
Well I’m certainly not gruntled. Far from it.

Bollocks! I'm not quite as witty and original as I imagined!

Could have told you that years ago mate! ;)

Yes, I did leave myself somewhat open to that one, didn't I?!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 11, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Best of luck to him.  Wouldn't have been my choice ... but he's a Villa man now, and that's what matters.

Just have a feeling he’ll be a really good fit and surprise a few doubters.
I think he's been handed a chance as good as anyone could ever hope for.  He'll be backed to the hilt by the owners (someone was mentioning £150m+ in another thread...).  He's inherited a club with a strong academy, and a young-ish squad that's should be perfectly capable of finishing around the mid table positions as it is.  We're not in a terrible position in the league - obviously not where we'd want to be .... but not in the relegation positions, with a passable goal difference, and are just a couple of wins off being mid table.

I don't know if he'll be a success or not, but I don't think he could've asked for a much better start tbh.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Le Lapin on November 11, 2021, 12:01:12 PM
I am undergruntled and diswhelmed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: achilles on November 11, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
I'm impressed by the way he speaks having gone back through some of his interviews. He seems switched on.

His coaching staff look good to me too and he has done a very good job of turning around a decade of dominance with all the intrinsic advantages Celtic had.

No doubt that it is a gamble, but in the calculation is a good squad, money to spend, a really good backroom structure, the best academy in the country and 40,000 every other week.

We're all there ready to go and achieve something, hopefully Gerrard is the ignition. Park your reservations and get behind him.

I agree with this and although probably not my first choice I really think that he will surprise a lot of people!
Everything is here for him to make a success of the job, which I think he will do! UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
Is this just a Purslow vanity project?  I hope not


I'm just in from the hospital and was going to post exactly that.  I do believe that Christian Purslow is above that, at least I hope so.

I honestly don't think it is. Purslow is nothing if not ambitious and wouldn't risk his reputation and entire career on somebody he thought couldn't do the job.

I think the main criteria would have been for a young coach willing to take on board the way that the owners and Purslow have been building the club, with a "One Team" way of playing, and lots of specialists in every department. I think the only other person who they may have considered for this would have been Potter, but I don't think he'd have left Brighton for us. I think this stated approach rules out everybody like Favre to be honest. Frank Lampard and John Terry would have been too inexperienced.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2021, 12:02:49 PM
I like this interview from after the game when he won the title with Rangers. Especially the question and answer  on self reflection. Something I never felt Dean Smith acknowledged enough.

https://twitter.com/total_villa/status/1458746046549422081?s=21
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 12:04:35 PM
The main thing he's got going for him is a brilliant ownership structure behind him. It's easier for an average manager to do well with the right owners than it is for a great manager to do well with bad ones. If he fails, he can't have any excuses, just like Dean Smith before him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 12:06:00 PM
I like this interview from after the game when he won the title with Rangers. Especially the question and answer  on self reflection. Something I never felt Dean Smith acknowledged enough.

https://twitter.com/total_villa/status/1458746046549422081?s=21

I would advise all those of a civilised disposition to scroll through the first ten seconds of that video.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 12:06:09 PM
https://www.facebook.com/238285906195051/posts/4911627448860850/
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 12:07:02 PM
I like this interview from after the game when he won the title with Rangers. Especially the question and answer  on self reflection. Something I never felt Dean Smith acknowledged enough.

https://twitter.com/total_villa/status/1458746046549422081?s=21

Also this after the draw with Aberdeen:

"We managed to take something from the game but the performance was not good enough and that's on me." People were asking the other day for examples of managers holding their hands up after a bad performance. Well there's one.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cannock villa on November 11, 2021, 12:07:28 PM
First objective, get above the dingles to stop the mind the gap comments that have re-surfaced again after 18 months.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 12:11:58 PM
Good luck Steven, I've always loved you, I swear. I also love Rangers and Liverpool.

#Followfollow #YNWA #StevieGsStevieGArmy
😂😂😂 nice one Rory.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters
Buendia is going to come good.  He's a fiesty little fucker and I'm still convinced in the right set up he'll be an asset.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 12:14:32 PM
"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.

Always liked him, great lad.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: danno on November 11, 2021, 12:15:32 PM
The main thing he's got going for him is a brilliant ownership structure behind him. It's easier for an average manager to do well with the right owners than it is for a great manager to do well with bad ones. If he fails, he can't have any excuses, just like Dean Smith before him.

There is that, a new manager often gets backed heavily in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: bilsim on November 11, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
Thought Carragher spoke brilliantly and rightly pointed out how disrespectful it us to call us a "stepping stone"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2021, 12:18:10 PM
Have a lot of time for Carragher. He gets what we are and what we're about and has always spoken with genuine honesty and praise about us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 12:21:07 PM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.

Perhaps. We really need someone knowledgeable with the going-ons north of the border to analyize Mr. Gerrard's signings with Rangers for clues

Again, it's so difficult to judge his success in the transfer market given the budget he had and the attractiveness to players of playing in Scotland.

yeah, looking at their squad its a culture shock, but i'd like to know if he likes a big man up front for starters, or a striker  or tricky wingers etc...

Somewhere on these threads is an analysis of how he's played at Rangers, for the first two years with a 4.3.3 with two high, wide players supporting Morales the CF, who I don't know much about other than him being a bit nuts and getting sent off all the time.

Then for the last year, again with 4.3.3 with Morales and narrower playmaker types either side of him but deeper.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 11, 2021, 12:21:15 PM
Does this appointment mean Rick Wakeman has gone?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 12:24:40 PM
If the money's there, be interesting to see who he bins. Could be quite a few of them leaving in the next 18 months. Don't think he'll fancy Buendia for starters

If he likes to play with 2 No.10's he'll need him. Could get the best out of him.

Perhaps. We really need someone knowledgeable with the going-ons north of the border to analyize Mr. Gerrard's signings with Rangers for clues

Again, it's so difficult to judge his success in the transfer market given the budget he had and the attractiveness to players of playing in Scotland.

yeah, looking at their squad its a culture shock, but i'd like to know if he likes a big man up front for starters, or a striker  or tricky wingers etc...

Somewhere on these threads is an analysis of how he's played at Rangers, for the first two years with a 4.3.3 with two high, wide players supporting Morales the CF, who I don't know much about other than him being a bit nuts and getting sent off all the time.

Then for the last year, again with 4.3.3 with Morales and narrower playmaker types either side of him but deeper.

think i'm gonna have to bite the bullet and watch a few rangers youtube videos :(
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 12:25:53 PM
Does this appointment mean Rick Wakeman has gone?

Yes
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 11, 2021, 12:26:23 PM
Does this appointment mean Rick Wakeman has gone?

The obvious answer would be Yes

Edit, not quick enough
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2021, 12:27:27 PM
Thought Carragher spoke brilliantly and rightly pointed out how disrespectful it us to call us a "stepping stone"

Quite.

Here's how Rangers felt about him stepping-stoning his way through his three and a half years there:

Rangers Chairman, Douglas Park, commented: “I would firstly like to put on record my thanks to Steven for his outstanding efforts over the last three-and-a-half years at Rangers.

Sporting Director, Ross Wilson, added: “Firstly I want to say thank you to Steven for the work, dedication and professionalism with which he has diligently carried out the role of Rangers Manager.
“Steven and his backroom staff have ensured that the club is undoubtedly in a better place today than it was three-and-a-half years ago. I joined Steven on that journey just over two years ago and from the first day we met, I have enjoyed all aspects of our partnership.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 11, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
Wouldn't have been my choice, but I wish him well. He speaks eloquently and intelligently, which is always a good sign. And I suppose there's no doubt he will command the respect of the players.

May he achieve great things at the greatest club in the world.

When we play the Dippers, I suppose I'll just have to go hiking in the mountains without my phone for a week.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
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"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.
That's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear. Thank you Jamie you're a top lad. I made the same point in previous speculation thread but Jamie's words carry a bit more weight than mine.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: achilles on November 11, 2021, 12:27:36 PM
The main thing he's got going for him is a brilliant ownership structure behind him. It's easier for an average manager to do well with the right owners than it is for a great manager to do well with bad ones. If he fails, he can't have any excuses, just like Dean Smith before him.

Exactly, the ball is in his court! UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dorsetvillian on November 11, 2021, 12:29:43 PM
Gerrard has got everything going for him at Villa. Brilliant owners, Decent CEO, Huge Funding, Strong Squad, Excellent Youth Set up, Full House Every Week. If he can't make a decent hand of this then he will never get the Liverpool job.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 11, 2021, 12:32:19 PM
Does this appointment mean Rick Wakeman has gone?

Yes

Boom!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: BoVillan esq on November 11, 2021, 12:33:41 PM
Very Welcome Steven G, think he's done a great job at Rangers, a club way adrift in the doldrums until he arrived, seriously think we have stepped up a considerable level getting Steve, appreciate the board backed Smith in the recent transfer windows, but they have to show willing again and really let Steve have his way and get the players he wants, I have no doubt he has the kind of ambitions that could get us into European competitions, looking good then.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 12:34:51 PM
Gerrard has got everything going for him at Villa. Brilliant owners, Decent CEO, Huge Funding, Strong Squad, Excellent Youth Set up, Full House Every Week. If he can't make a decent hand of this then he will never get the Liverpool job.
Great point Dorset
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: OzVilla on November 11, 2021, 12:37:07 PM
Welcome Steven. We’ve given up a lot for this. Please don’t waste it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2021, 12:38:21 PM
"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.

More from Carragher here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/11/steven-gerrard-right-join-aston-villa-forget-talk-liverpool/
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 12:39:44 PM
If there's anyone who should understand what our midfield needs it would be Gerrard and McAllister.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smithy on November 11, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
One thing that will be interesting to see, is how involved he is in training.  Whenever you hear ex-Internationals talking about training, they always mention Gerrard as an example of a top, top professional, who put everything into his training.  Not that we have any unprofessional players on our staff, but I do wonder if our stats around the distances run in games will take an upward turn now?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Small Rodent on November 11, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
I like this interview from after the game when he won the title with Rangers. Especially the question and answer  on self reflection. Something I never felt Dean Smith acknowledged enough.

https://twitter.com/total_villa/status/1458746046549422081?s=21

Interesting and very in depth for someone who rightly so could have been celebrating on the pitch and leaving the interview for another day.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.
I've heard a few commentators say this.  Outside of Murphy, there's been a lot more respect for us out there than I expected.  One of the best jobs in English football is how it's been described.  I agree.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 11, 2021, 12:41:21 PM
If there's anyone who should understand what our midfield needs it would be Gerrard and McAllister.

Fingers crossed.


You would thinks so but then I remember Bruce with his buying of centre halves  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Big Ming on November 11, 2021, 12:42:06 PM
Have a lot of time for Carragher. He gets what we are and what we're about and has always spoken with genuine honesty and praise about us.
When he's not 'gobbing' at opposition fans.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The_ads on November 11, 2021, 12:43:02 PM
This from Carragher is exactly what excites me:


As with everything he has done since becoming my teammate in 1999, and then captain for the majority of my career, his sole professional focus will be on the task at hand - in this case turning Villa into a Premier League force again. His presence around the club, the aura he has, and the demands he places upon himself and expects of others could be transformative. It is the most exciting Villa appointment in years, and brilliant for the Premier League to have a force of personality and world superstar such as Gerrard on the touchline. He will have no inferiority complex taking on the world-renowned coaches, that’s for sure.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 12:44:23 PM
Very Welcome Steven G, think he's done a great job at Rangers, a club way adrift in the doldrums until he arrived, seriously think we have stepped up a considerable level getting Steve, appreciate the board backed Smith in the recent transfer windows, but they have to show willing again and really let Steve have his way and get the players he wants, I have no doubt he has the kind of ambitions that could get us into European competitions, looking good then.
About that word filter...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
Very positive view espoused here (and claims he snubbed Newcastle):

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/steven-gerrard-aston-villa-rangers-liverpool-b1955763.html?r=74150


Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 12:47:21 PM
I think I might start refering to him as Gerry Stevens.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Richard E on November 11, 2021, 12:49:18 PM
I want him out. We haven't taken a single point with him in charge. We haven't even had a shot on target. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 12:51:19 PM
yep, have the players said owt yet on twitter? Could have lost the dressing room.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 12:51:33 PM
This is the telegraph piece (just stop you screen loading on your pc fully before the pay wall kicks in):

From the moment Aston Villa made Steven Gerrard their prime target, he had to leave Rangers.

The timing is not ideal. In football, it rarely is. Given the choice, I expect Steven would have preferred to stay in Glasgow for another six months and collect his second league title before starting at a new club with a full pre-season.

Walking away from Ibrox now will feel like a wrench. It is also a risk.

But every major footballing decision - whether it is by a player, manager or owner - is a gamble, especially when you are settled into a role, achieving results and choosing to leave to further your ambitions.

It was also a risk when Gerrard joined Rangers. He was in a comfortable job as Liverpool’s Under 18s coach, learning his trade, in constant contact with Jurgen Klopp and in the perfect place to be mentored by the man many believe he will eventually succeed.

He received several offers during that period but waited because he was determined to follow his gut instinct. He wanted the best option.

Rangers fitted the bill as a club matching Gerrard’s status, with a fanbase he would connect with, in a city similar to Liverpool, and a board who were determined to give him the support required to end Celtic’s bid for ten league titles in a row.

Let’s not forget what Gerrard had to overcome in Scotland. Brendan Rodgers was the dominant force and Rangers had no identity as a football team. There was as much scepticism of Gerrard’s capacity to cope with the goldfish bowl of Glasgow - a novice coach in shark-infested waters - as there was excitement.

Within the football-industry, I know there is often resentment for high-profile ex-players who are perceived to be fast-tracked into the biggest job because of their name rather than coaching CV.

Had it gone wrong in Scotland, Gerrard - a bit like Frank Lampard now - would have been forced to take time out of the game again and reassess. Instead, he delivered the title Rangers craved and did so with a modern, front-footed style of football which mirrors the 4-3-3 which is now commonplace around Europe.

Given that success, it was inevitable Premier League offers would materialise eventually. Just as when he was at Liverpool’s academy, it was always going to be about the one which ticked the most boxes. Aston Villa clearly do. Villa is a club that can give its managers a chance to succeed.

They are among that selection of clubs - which also includes Leicester City, Everton and West Ham United - who think if they get it right, they can qualify for Europe.

Geographically, Villa is attractive. Do not underestimate the importance of Gerrard now being closer to home.

And it also helps that Gerrard has someone he knows on the Villa board. Former Liverpool managing director Christian Purslow is prepared to stake his reputation on an emerging coach, his connection undoubtedly helping to seal this deal. If things get sticky, Gerrard will have an executive ally. Few get that working environment over the course of a 30-year coaching career, never mind so soon into one.

Gerrard is also inheriting a good squad. It does not need major work to oversee a big improvement at Villa Park. The nucleus of the team is there; a quality keeper Emiliano Martinez, right back Matty Cash, midfielder John McGinn, and Danny Ings and Ollie Watkins upfront. They are high-level Premier League players, and there is a lot more to come from summer signings Leon Bailey and Emiliano Buendia.

Villa have been underperforming. They should already be 8th or 9th in the Premier League. Should they fulfil their potential without the need for a massive overhaul, Gerrard will immediately assume the credit.

Are Villa bigger than Rangers? That is an irrelevant argument, just as it was when Rodgers left Celtic for Leicester City. The English Premier League is in a different stratosphere to the Scottish one. That’s what managers and players will always consider.

Rangers and Celtic are big clubs in a division which cannot compare on and off the pitch. You can only take a club so far, especially if the investment is not available to qualify for and then challenge in the Champions League. That’s the Glasgow giants’ problem so they will always be susceptible to a talent drain.

Every ambitious manager wants the chance to take on Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Thomas Tuchel and now Antonio Conte. 

Besides that, Villa are the biggest club in the Midlands and one of the biggest clubs in the UK, still seen as one of those sleeping giants who - with the right coach galvanising the fanbase - have the potential to regularly challenge the top six.

Gerrard now faces similar obstacles to those he overcame in Glasgow, with cynics wondering if it is too soon for him to be entrusted with such a huge job. There is also the complication of many seeing him as continuing an apprenticeship until Klopp says farewell to Anfield and Gerrard makes his emotional return.

Maybe that will happen one day, but I can promise you this: Steven Gerrard will only ever want to become Liverpool manager on merit, and the Liverpool supporters will only want him to become Liverpool manager on those terms, not because of some kind of romantic homecoming. When Klopp goes, Liverpool will only employ the best man for the job, as they did when making their last appointment in 2015. Gerrard's connection is an advantage if the day comes when he is a serious candidate. Until then, it is a subject overplayed and should not be on the agenda right now.

As with everything he has done since becoming my teammate in 1999, and then captain for the majority of my career, his sole professional focus will be on the task at hand - in this case turning Villa into a Premier League force again. His presence around the club, the aura he has, and the demands he places upon himself and expects of others could be transformative. It is the most exciting Villa appointment in years, and brilliant for the Premier League to have a force of personality and world superstar such as Gerrard on the touchline. He will have no inferiority complex taking on the world-renowned coaches, that’s for sure.

Only a fool would back against Gerrard eventually being seen as likewise as he takes the next major step in his management career.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Richard E on November 11, 2021, 12:51:55 PM
I think I might start refering to him as Gerry Stevens.

Gerald Steven Appleyard.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: simon ward 50 on November 11, 2021, 12:55:49 PM
Welcome Steven.

Now let's get on and play some decent football and win some matches.

End.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2021, 12:57:18 PM
"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.

Great interview.  Bigged us up as he should.  Its disrespectful to SG and Aston Villa to ask If its a stepping stone , I can assure you its one of the biggest clubs in the UK  . It will be an attacking set up and he will be on the front foot and want to dominate the game,  starting to come right round to SG .
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 12:58:43 PM
Both articles are somewhat reassuring.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Not seen it confirmed that his backroom team are with him. From what I have read Beale and Culshaw are pretty essential.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: achilles on November 11, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Not seen it confirmed that his backroom team are with him. From what I have read Beale and Culshaw are pretty essential.

I thought the compensation package included his backroom staff?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
It's strange as we are now being treated with the wankfest that we all hate on SSN and Talksport. Yellow ticker tape and banner on right side of screen has been running since 10am.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Not seen it confirmed that his backroom team are with him. From what I have read Beale and Culshaw are pretty essential.
Indeed as Gerrard has no formal coaching qualifications.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: villadelph on November 11, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
I think we will see McGinn and Luiz improve considerably with this appointment. I think it will add a jolt to the locker room, too, in a good way. The players were far too comfortable with the current structure and empty apologies for poor performances on social media wasn’t a satisfactory mea culpa.

If we are conditioned and setup properly (meaning fitness, formation, and no fucking about in the back), SG actually understands when to bring on substitutes, and plays front foot attacking football then I think we’ll be fine. The talent is there for him to succeed.

I was brought up with the cliché that fear is not currency, and you can’t expect people to work hard for you through threats and condemnation.. but I think this may be a little different. I think once out on the training ground his stature as a player and relentless work ethic will bring an edge and improvement in our game. I believe he will be a model and motivator.

Welcome Mr. Gerrard, smash Brighton and let’s climb the table.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 01:06:39 PM
"Aston Villa is a stepping stone for no one". Jamie Carragher two minutes ago on SSN.

Great interview.  Bigged us up as he should.  Its disrespectful to SG and Aston Villa to ask If its a stepping stone , I can assure you its one of the biggest clubs in the UK  . It will be an attacking set up and he will be on the front foot and want to dominate the game,  starting to come right round to SG .
He also said it is a bigger deal for Gerrard not Villa.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nev on November 11, 2021, 01:10:02 PM
I think I might start refering to him as Gerry Stevens.

McAllister can be Lenny Bennett then.

One for the teenagers there...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
Imagine having  JJ listening and learning the midfield trade off the likes of SG and even Macca , can't be a bad thing can it?

Lets see what they go do with Nakamba ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 01:12:46 PM
Not seen it confirmed that his backroom team are with him. From what I have read Beale and Culshaw are pretty essential.
Indeed as Gerrard has no formal coaching qualifications.

He has his Uefa pro license.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
This appointment does raise the profile of the club though as gerrards a massive name in english football
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2021, 01:14:19 PM
Not seen it confirmed that his backroom team are with him. From what I have read Beale and Culshaw are pretty essential.
Indeed as Gerrard has no formal coaching qualifications.

You mean other than his UEFA Pro license?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 01:15:02 PM
Carragher is selling me on him a bit. If they share a seriousness about Villa's stature and potential then that is only a good thing
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 01:15:10 PM
Not seen it confirmed that his backroom team are with him. From what I have read Beale and Culshaw are pretty essential.
Indeed as Gerrard has no formal coaching qualifications.

I’ve just seen an interview and compensation package mentioned the pay included the back room team. Also interestingly it seems one of the key points was the work Gerrard had done with the youth side while working under Klopp and then how he managed himself with the pressure of a big club very well.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 11, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
If we dont score at least 7 when we play Liverpool I'll smell a rat.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2021, 01:16:01 PM
Short term fix. I would have preferred Dean Smith to be given some of this pent up goodwill that is sloshing around.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
He has his Uefa pro license.
You mean other than his UEFA Pro license?
Why do you both have to spoil a discussion with facts?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 11, 2021, 01:21:49 PM
Wouldn't have been my choice but he's here so we need to get behind him.

If we can see on the pitch some evidence of work done on the training ground then that would be a good start.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Have a lot of time for Carragher. He gets what we are and what we're about and has always spoken with genuine honesty and praise about us.

My mate just told me that he interviewed him the other day, and that he is indeed a great bloke.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Zouch Villa on November 11, 2021, 01:23:01 PM
I’ve very mixed feelings about this appointment, but suspect much of my trepidation is due to his Liverpool connections.  If he was Stefan Gertz, former German international and long time club captain who’d just secured the first title of a resurgent attacking team, I’d probably be creaming myself with excitement.

Be great Steven, and we will back you all the way.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 01:25:07 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: villa for life on November 11, 2021, 01:25:15 PM
Is Beale also coming?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 01:26:24 PM
Have a lot of time for Carragher. He gets what we are and what we're about and has always spoken with genuine honesty and praise about us.

My mate just told me that he interviewed him the other day, and that he is indeed a great bloke.
Unless you happen to be within spitting distance when he's driving by.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 01:27:15 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

Chuckles.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 01:29:14 PM
Some rangers fans think Beale has stayed. I sincerely hope not.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 01:29:24 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

Ha, very good, very good indeed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 11, 2021, 01:30:50 PM
Wow,we even got mentioned on the BBC lunchtime news
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 11, 2021, 01:31:40 PM
Welcome Steven, no one is bigger than our AVFC. Speak to Gary Mack and Sir Brian about the inner sanctum of our club and you won’t go far wrong . I’d also like to think that things like performance dept and BMH have improved immensely since GM was with Houllier.
Having had a spate of players given new 4/5 year contracts recently, it’ll be interesting if they are his type of players and how, as a club we may have to move some out still on contracts in January and next summer to make way for some of his own recruits (or Mr Langes’) !, whilst still working within FFP

Who do we think his type of players may be to bring in January ?
Will our newest recruits of Aaron Danks, MacPhee, plus Neil cutler and a few newbies recruited since the summer in performance dept be kept on ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on November 11, 2021, 01:32:03 PM
I think he's a bit of a bastard. He'll do for me.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 01:32:34 PM
Just listened to an interview with Ex keeper Chris Kirkland on talk sport. I have to say he's got me a lot more enthusiastic about it all. He's adamant that it's a brilliant appointment for the club. He said if I was an Aston Villa fan I would be very excited about it. I must say I'm starting to warm to the idea already. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 01:35:25 PM
I think he's a bit of a bastard. He'll do for me.

He's our bastard now.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cannock villa on November 11, 2021, 01:35:34 PM
Short term fix. I would have preferred Dean Smith to be given some of this pent up goodwill that is sloshing around.

I think the vast majority of us are sad Dean has gone but we can't do anything about that. Taking it out on the new manager will only harm the club and team so we have to throw our full support behind him now
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 11, 2021, 01:41:22 PM
Welcome Steven, note the correct and only proper spelling of the name 😇 be brilliant for us please. Sign a DCM!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 11, 2021, 01:41:37 PM
I feel a bit like when we hired John Gregory.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
No need to wish him good luck, he's the luckiest fella around.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 11, 2021, 01:42:31 PM
Three previous managers have had an OBE. Martin O'Neill, Graham Taylor, Joe Mercer.
Steven Gerrard is our 2nd manager with an MBE.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 11, 2021, 01:45:34 PM
What is the length of the contract?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 01:46:45 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

Don't know about the players, but Gerrard has managed to get a tune out of SB so far.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
Three and a half years.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 11, 2021, 01:48:15 PM
The more I hear the more I like. This man is heavy duty and commands immense respect. My real reservation is the Liverpool element but that's for the future to decide. For the here and now welcome to Aston Villa Steve - if our lot don't respond to a figure like you then I don't know who they will respond to.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 11, 2021, 01:48:55 PM
Three and a half years.

Thanks Legion
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The_ads on November 11, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Some rangers fans think Beale has stayed. I sincerely hope not.

Percy has confirmed Beale is joining
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

Don't know about the players, but Gerrard has managed to get a tune out of SB so far.

Very true!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2021, 01:49:57 PM
I think he's a bit of a bastard. He'll do for me.

He's our bastard now.

Most definitely

At least we might actually beat united at villa park fkr once. He hates them so will be extra motivated to beat them
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2021, 01:50:16 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

Don't know about the players, but Gerrard has managed to get a tune out of SB so far.

It was very funny in fairness.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
When we getting a press conference?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Virgil Caine on November 11, 2021, 01:51:00 PM
I've seen a tweet where you state you fell in love with Rangers- Steve Gerrard, be prepared to fall in love with Aston Villa FC, without question the greatest football club in the world. Might be an idea, if you haven't done already, to give Dean Smith a call- he will tell you what a privilege it is being the Manager of this finest sporting institution.


Work hard, get results and take this club forwards, please.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 01:51:24 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Allan C on November 11, 2021, 01:52:15 PM
Short term fix. I would have preferred Dean Smith to be given some of this pent up goodwill that is sloshing around.
Yes exactly this
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The_ads on November 11, 2021, 01:57:04 PM
Good to see a few people slowly warming to it as oppose to the clusterfuck that was this site earlier in the week. All those courses about the Change curve I’ve been on over the years ringing true  :)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
Good to see a few people slowly warming to it as oppose to the clusterfuck that was this site earlier in the week. All those courses about the Change curve I’ve been on over the years ringing true  :)
It's not that it's about he is our manager now so we back him. For me nothing I have said prior  is not true in my mind.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
Short term fix. I would have preferred Dean Smith to be given some of this pent up goodwill that is sloshing around.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 02:09:20 PM
Good to see a few people slowly warming to it as oppose to the clusterfuck that was this site earlier in the week. All those courses about the Change curve I’ve been on over the years ringing true  :)
It's not that it's about he is our manager now so we back him. For me nothing I have said prior  is not true in my mind.

Same.

Still don't like him, still think it's a risk, still don't think there's anything to suggest he's an upgrade.

But as long as he's our manager, I hope he wins every single fucking game.

Welcome Steven.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 02:10:35 PM
Good to see a few people slowly warming to it as oppose to the clusterfuck that was this site earlier in the week. All those courses about the Change curve I’ve been on over the years ringing true  :)

Don't be so angry mate.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: darren woolley on November 11, 2021, 02:12:10 PM
Steven Gerrard Gerrard he's claret and blue and hard Steven Gerrard Gerrard.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Skerra on November 11, 2021, 02:13:02 PM
Hope I’m right that, suddenly, the injured players make a miracle recovery!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 02:13:02 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

And they'll walk right into our first team
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Good to see a few people slowly warming to it as oppose to the clusterfuck that was this site earlier in the week. All those courses about the Change curve I’ve been on over the years ringing true  :)

Getting a strong 'spite the gnarled unbelief of his elders, 'twas the innocent little cherub with his simple faith' vibe from this post.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2021, 02:17:13 PM
How will the McGinn song scan?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
How will the McGinn song scan?

I think "Steven Gerrard's man" scans better
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
How will the McGinn song scan?

He's the Holte End's man?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dr Butler on November 11, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
How will the McGinn song scan?

He's the Holte End's man?

or "he's a Villa man"

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 02:38:58 PM
I am surprisingly more optimistic than I thought I would be.

On Carragher I've always really liked him, Neville gets hyped up more as a pundit but Carragher is more realistic and more of a straight talker in his views in my opinion. The spitting incident is impossible to defend mind, fuck knows what happened there but apart from that madness I like him as a pundit.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2021, 02:40:36 PM
Some rangers fans think Beale has stayed. I sincerely hope not.

Percy has confirmed Beale is joining

that is good news . I will have another chocolate biscuit to celebrate that

Even talking to Southgate about it , least GS said we are massive and a fabulous football club .
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: qwerty on November 11, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2021, 02:42:39 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.

Piss off.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
I agree with LeeB
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 02:44:48 PM
Multi-billionaires in charge and you're hoping for loans from Liverpool. Proper big time, that.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Stu82 on November 11, 2021, 02:44:55 PM
Good luck Steve, let’s hope the pundits are right about how good you are
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 02:45:54 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.

May I respectfully enlighten you that Dean Smith is a more experienced Premier League manager than Steven Gerrard.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2021, 02:46:30 PM
I agree with Sexual Ealing
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 02:47:30 PM
Loan signings from Liverpool? No thank you.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2021, 02:48:07 PM
Still going to be odd seeing him in a Villa track suit .   

Wasnt DS interested in that Curtis Jones , that might be a possibility . and papers putting one and one together and mentioning the Rangers LB Borna Barišić . . 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2021, 02:48:24 PM
I want the new manager to be ruthless to set high standards, to react to when things are not going right on the pitch. To be brave enough to give youth a chance and make every decision for the good of the team and not be worried about bruising a few egos.
I got a feeling that sometimes Smith was a soft touch and allowed some players to get away with it.
It’s a new chapter for the Villa and despite my reservations I am beginning to look forward to it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
I mean it was worded a bit provocatively but suggesting Smith may not be of Premier League standard isn't completely outlandish. I wouldn't definitively agree but it's possible. I doubt we'll see many seasons of him in the prem from now on which admittedly there are multiple outside factors to.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 11, 2021, 02:50:18 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa, Steven.
Although you are not the choice of many of us, we all want you to be the greatest manager in the World, starting VERY soon, please. And if you are we will love you forever.
UTV!!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 02:51:51 PM
I want the new manager to be ruthless to set high standards, to react to when things are not going right on the pitch. To be brave enough to give youth a chance and make every decision for the good of the team and not be worried about bruising a few egos.
I got a feeling that sometimes Smith was a soft touch and allowed some players to get away with it.
It’s a new chapter for the Villa and despite my reservations I am beginning to look forward to it.
I certainly don't think he'll be pandering to Watkins and Ings.  They'll play where he wants them to when he wants them to and I very much doubt that will be in a 2 up top.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeonW on November 11, 2021, 02:53:32 PM
This seems to me to be a much higher than necessary risk. Bit of concern too about how this decision was potentially reached. I can't imagine this being Lange's
choice which makes me wonder about his importance and relevance in key football decisions being made in the club.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 11, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
I agree with Lee B, Sexual Ealing and of course Sir Brian. Only change I would make it is to replace P with F.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 02:58:25 PM
I want the new manager to be ruthless to set high standards, to react to when things are not going right on the pitch. To be brave enough to give youth a chance and make every decision for the good of the team and not be worried about bruising a few egos.
I got a feeling that sometimes Smith was a soft touch and allowed some players to get away with it.
It’s a new chapter for the Villa and despite my reservations I am beginning to look forward to it.
I certainly don't think he'll be pandering to Watkins and Ings.  They'll play where he wants them to when he wants them to and I very much doubt that will be in a 2 up top.

Everybody's got a clean slate now, but so has the manager, so I hope he picks the players on merit and form.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 11, 2021, 02:59:39 PM
Welcome to one of the best players of the premier league era, a big named top professional and someone who could one day become a top manager. I am however going to predict that this is a bad move for both parties involved, too much too soon and we'll be back to square one inside 12 months and he'll have damaged a decent start to his managerial reputation.

Please prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Villa Lew on November 11, 2021, 03:03:57 PM
Loan signings from Liverpool? No thank you.
I'd take Salah on loan :)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 03:05:09 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.

Piss off.
Seconded.
We're all entitled to an opinion on here and debate is good but that post is such a snidey take on things. I didn't think SG had done enough to earn him the Villa job and I still think that. But now he's here I am right behind him and praying that he becomes a roaring success at our beloved football club.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2021, 03:05:57 PM
I agree with Lee B, Sexual Ealing and of course Sir Brian. Only change I would make it is to replace P with F.

Pre-watershed mate, thought I best tone it down.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 11, 2021, 03:07:29 PM
I want the new manager to be ruthless to set high standards, to react to when things are not going right on the pitch. To be brave enough to give youth a chance and make every decision for the good of the team and not be worried about bruising a few egos.
I got a feeling that sometimes Smith was a soft touch and allowed some players to get away with it.
It’s a new chapter for the Villa and despite my reservations I am beginning to look forward to it.
I certainly don't think he'll be pandering to Watkins and Ings.  They'll play where he wants them to when he wants them to and I very much doubt that will be in a 2 up top.

Just being heretical here, but looking at what he did with Morelos in Rangers, I don't think it'd be completely outlandish to see something like

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Luiz - McGinn
Buendia - Watkins - Bailey
Ings
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 03:10:27 PM
I want the new manager to be ruthless to set high standards, to react to when things are not going right on the pitch. To be brave enough to give youth a chance and make every decision for the good of the team and not be worried about bruising a few egos.
I got a feeling that sometimes Smith was a soft touch and allowed some players to get away with it.
It’s a new chapter for the Villa and despite my reservations I am beginning to look forward to it.
I certainly don't think he'll be pandering to Watkins and Ings.  They'll play where he wants them to when he wants them to and I very much doubt that will be in a 2 up top.

Just being heretical here, but looking at what he did with Morelos in Rangers, I don't think it'd be completely outlandish to see something like

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Luiz - McGinn
Buendia - Watkins - Bailey
Ings

He'll know that won't work in the Prem with the players we have.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 11, 2021, 03:14:57 PM
Yep, you can shove your loans from Liverpool up your Pom Fritter. Same for Man Utd or anyone else for that matter, i hope Tuenzebe is the last we see of that kind of short sighted shit.

I don't recall many getting over the top upset about firing Smith either apart from maybe being disappointed he didn't take us a bit further, with the Villa fan angle and all. Most agreed 'shame but i suppose it had to be' from what i could see.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 11, 2021, 03:21:44 PM
I agree with Lee B, Sexual Ealing and of course Sir Brian. Only change I would make it is to replace P with F.

Pre-watershed mate, thought I best tone it down.

Is Fiss off particularly offensive?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 11, 2021, 03:26:14 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 11, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
MON all over again then. Without the experience.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: achilles on November 11, 2021, 03:35:24 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

Well he had better get his Plan A to work then!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Harte on November 11, 2021, 03:35:46 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2021, 03:35:59 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

Bugger

When was the last time we had a Manager with a Plan B?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 11, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
I think I might start refering to him as Gerry Stevens.

Gerald Steven Appleyard.

Steven V.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Billy Walker on November 11, 2021, 03:36:43 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.

Loan players from Liverpool? We have far superior in our own Academy.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeonW on November 11, 2021, 03:37:58 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 11, 2021, 03:38:18 PM
I’m on board, got on late but still jumped on the back there just as it started rolling

I knew Dean wasn’t going to turn it round after that 45 mins at Arsenal
I still don’t know what was going on there just incredible to watch that and just sit on your hands until it’s too late
but anyway enough of that it’s to sad to think about now

I mentioned a few days ago that SG moaned like mad about every decision and was a real poor loser
So we might have just got ourselves the first horrible bastard in the dugout for donkeys years
which will make a change


Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2021, 03:40:21 PM
I’m on board, got on late but still jumped on the back there just as it started rolling

I knew Dean wasn’t going to turn it round after that 45 mins at Arsenal
I still don’t know what was going on there just incredible to watch that and just sit on your hands until it’s too late
but anyway enough of that it’s to sad to think about now

I mentioned a few days ago that SG moaned like mad about every decision and was a real poor loser
So we might have just got ourselves the first horrible bastard in the dugout for donkeys years
which will make a change




Everyone seems to hate us when we're just being innocuous, we may as well start giving them something to really moan about.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: enigma on November 11, 2021, 03:41:12 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.
Doesn't really tally with what's been written about how he changed things from one season to the next to turn them into champions.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 11, 2021, 03:41:39 PM
I’m on board, got on late but still jumped on the back there just as it started rolling

I knew Dean wasn’t going to turn it round after that 45 mins at Arsenal
I still don’t know what was going on there just incredible to watch that and just sit on your hands until it’s too late
but anyway enough of that it’s to sad to think about now

I mentioned a few days ago that SG moaned like mad about every decision and was a real poor loser
So we might have just got ourselves the first horrible bastard in the dugout for donkeys years
which will make a change




Everyone seems to hate us when we're just being innocuous, we may as well start giving them something to really moan about.

Exactly that
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rico on November 11, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
Welcome to Villa Park, the graveyard of management. Hope you do well. Good luck

UTV
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 11, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
I want the new manager to be ruthless to set high standards, to react to when things are not going right on the pitch. To be brave enough to give youth a chance and make every decision for the good of the team and not be worried about bruising a few egos.
I got a feeling that sometimes Smith was a soft touch and allowed some players to get away with it.
It’s a new chapter for the Villa and despite my reservations I am beginning to look forward to it.
I certainly don't think he'll be pandering to Watkins and Ings.  They'll play where he wants them to when he wants them to and I very much doubt that will be in a 2 up top.

Just being heretical here, but looking at what he did with Morelos in Rangers, I don't think it'd be completely outlandish to see something like

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Luiz - McGinn
Buendia - Watkins - Bailey
Ings

I thought Gerrard favoured a Christmas tree formation (4-3-2-1) at Rangers, which is pretty topical!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 03:44:55 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 03:49:10 PM
Re formations - watch this.  It's clear his formations have evolved. 



and and update with reference to us:



Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 03:49:40 PM
Welcome to Villa Park, the graveyard of management. Hope you do well. Good luck

UTV
That hasn't quite got the same ring to it as "the theatre of dreams"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 03:52:03 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 11, 2021, 03:52:38 PM
Well, now that the appointment has been confirmed I am feeling better about this than I was a couple of days ago, and am now wishing that I hadn't voted 'no' in the poll.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The_ads on November 11, 2021, 03:53:47 PM
Well, now that the appointment has been confirmed I am feeling better about this than I was a couple of days ago, and am now wishing that I hadn't voted 'no' in the poll.


Allow me to ask if I may, why did you?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeonW on November 11, 2021, 03:56:06 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.

I don't doubt that he'll get the backing. But I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you both here, gents. We couldn't keep hold of our best player in the summer and we've replaced Smith with someone who isn't markedly a significant upgrade. Both to me indicate that we're not more talk than action. Maybe I should be more realistic, but neither indicate to me that we're moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 11, 2021, 03:56:23 PM
According to the mob over other of City, we are a managerial grave yard and a bad move for Gerard, so on that note I like him,
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeonW on November 11, 2021, 03:57:07 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.

I don't doubt that he'll get the backing. But I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you both here, gents. We couldn't keep hold of our best player in the summer and we've replaced Smith with someone who isn't markedly a significant upgrade. Both to me indicate that we're not more talk than action. Maybe I should be more realistic, but neither indicate to me that we're moving in the right direction.

* remove the 'not'
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 04:03:10 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.

I don't doubt that he'll get the backing. But I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you both here, gents. We couldn't keep hold of our best player in the summer and we've replaced Smith with someone who isn't markedly a significant upgrade. Both to me indicate that we're not more talk than action. Maybe I should be more realistic, but neither indicate to me that we're moving in the right direction.
Who do you think we could realistically get that would have been guaranteed significant upgrade?  Don't say Ten Hag, Rangnick or Rodgers as thats's fantasy.  Which of the suggested candidates would have been massively more ambitious?  Favre?  Fonseca?  Better - we'll never know.  But more ambitious?  Nah.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 11, 2021, 04:03:55 PM
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Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: KevinGage on November 11, 2021, 04:08:14 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

Seems to be the consensus from former colleagues of mine in Edinburgh who follow Scottish fitbaw.

Let's hope that plan A is a ruddy good one.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nelly on November 11, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.

For me also. It's an incredibly hopeful, long-shot, punt of an appointment.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 11, 2021, 04:12:36 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

Bugger

When was the last time we had a Manager with a Plan B?

Depends what is meant by Plan B.

A totally different formation/playstyle depending on the opposition?

Or seeing something is not working during a game and making tactical/personnel tweaks?

We have certainly been on the receiving end of opposition managers doing the latter to us on many occasions.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 11, 2021, 04:13:33 PM
Well, now that the appointment has been confirmed I am feeling better about this than I was a couple of days ago, and am now wishing that I hadn't voted 'no' in the poll.


Allow me to ask if I may, why did you?

Because I had hoped that we would be replacing Smith with a manager/coach who had more proven experience and success at a higher level than Gerrard currently has.  Plus, all in all, there's currently just something about Gerrard as a manager/coach that brings to mind Brian Robson.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rigadon on November 11, 2021, 04:14:43 PM
Having a 'plan B' or whatever is kind of reliant on the squad you have too though.  Dean's issue (as far as I could see) was that he didn't react quickly enough in the games.  His planning week to week was fine, but I always felt he dithered a bit when things went wrong / the other manager tweaked something.  No idea whether Gerrard will be any quicker.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2021, 04:17:53 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.

Loan players from Liverpool? We have far superior in our own Academy.

Slippy Steven Gerrard until now hasn't been a fan of bringing the kids through, at least at Rangers. I'm expecting him to carry on ignoring them in favour of the new, big cheque book he's just inherited.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeonW on November 11, 2021, 04:18:56 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.

I don't doubt that he'll get the backing. But I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you both here, gents. We couldn't keep hold of our best player in the summer and we've replaced Smith with someone who isn't markedly a significant upgrade. Both to me indicate that we're not more talk than action. Maybe I should be more realistic, but neither indicate to me that we're moving in the right direction.
Who do you think we could realistically get that would have been guaranteed significant upgrade?  Don't say Ten Hag, Rangnick or Rodgers as thats's fantasy.  Which of the suggested candidates would have been massively more ambitious?  Favre?  Fonseca?  Better - we'll never know.  But more ambitious?  Nah.

If the ambition of the hierarchy is European football I don't see how Gerrard takes us closer to that than Smith at present. It's surely the job of the club to get someone in who is more likely to achieve that?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on November 11, 2021, 04:21:27 PM
I wonder why he chose us; the biggest of all the sleeping giants and turned down the delusional pie eating, jawdie tossers?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 04:27:09 PM
Steven, welcome to Villa Park.
Please ignore the lukewarm response from the doubters on here.

Dean “Championship” Smith should have been fired after the poor 2019/2020 season (one point above Bournemouth, in case memories are short).

But for Jack Grealish, Villa would still be in the Championship.

The way some react to Smith’s departure is as though the Villa board had shot Bambi.
The board has taken decisive action to stop the rot getting even worse under Dean Smith. A decent bloke from Great Barr he may be, but he is not a Premiership manager.

I look forward to a consistent playing structure, plus loan signings from Liverpool, the first of which should be Nat Phillips in central defence.
Decent midfielders are also welcome.
Good luck.

Loan players from Liverpool? We have far superior in our own Academy.

Slippy Steven Gerrard until now hasn't been a fan of bringing the kids through, at least at Rangers. I'm expecting him to carry on ignoring them in favour of the new, big cheque book he's just inherited.
Or maybe Rangers don't have any young players that they considered to be good enough?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: UK Redsox on November 11, 2021, 04:28:43 PM
Ok, I’m in the minority here. But actually, despite my initial reservations - I’m quite excited by this appointment.



I'm coming round to it as well.

He's served his apprenticeship managing at age group level and with Rangers.

Yes, ultimately he'll probably be looking at the Liverpool job.
However, apart from Dean, what up and coming manager would be looking at Villa as the ultimate job ?
If a couple of seasons down the line Gerrard does replace Klopp, Villa will likely be a lot better placed in the league than they are now.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 11, 2021, 04:29:00 PM
Possibly. Only time will tell.

EDIT: Just as a point of reference, Rangers have 4 academy players in their squad, Celtic have 16. Obviously it takes time to develop an academy but you would have thought Rangers being so skint for so long would have gone down the youth route rather than buying success.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on November 11, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
That’s not how I meant it at all, just poking fun at the folks in ‘fancy dress’ at St James’s a week or two back, but fair enough reading it back doesn’t read well. Edited now. Would you mind doing the same or deleting please?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 11, 2021, 04:44:21 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

Seems to be the consensus from former colleagues of mine in Edinburgh who follow Scottish fitbaw.

Let's hope that plan A is a ruddy good one.
Well Plan A won them the League so pinkies crossed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 04:47:07 PM
Ok, I’m in the minority here. But actually, despite my initial reservations - I’m quite excited by this appointment.



I'm coming round to it as well.

He's served his apprenticeship managing at age group level and with Rangers.

Yes, ultimately he'll probably be looking at the Liverpool job.
However, apart from Dean, what up and coming manager would be looking at Villa as the ultimate job ?
If a couple of seasons down the line Gerrard does replace Klopp, Villa will likely be a lot better placed in the league than they are now.

Why would he want to take a step down?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Harvevillain on November 11, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
History is not on his side if SG wants to use us as a "stepping stone." Of the last 25 managers only one, when Graham Taylor left for England, could it be argued that he immediately went up the managerial ladder. Tommy Docherty and Joe Mercer were both sacked by us before they ended up eventually at  Manchester United and City respectively.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: saint13 on November 11, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
I may well be in the minority but I think he will do ok.

Good luck Steve.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 11, 2021, 04:53:03 PM
If you look at football coaching credentials then he is a great choice

Young
Ambitious
Winning mentality
Actual winner of a league championship
Seemingly strong presence and man management
Very well respected in media

If it was anyone with that rep sheet I would be extatic

But it's Steven Gerrard

I really hope he proves me and every other doubters wrong.

He has my 110% support
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 04:57:11 PM
That’s not how I meant it at all, just poking fun at the folks in ‘fancy dress’ at St James’s a week or two back, but fair enough reading it back doesn’t read well. Edited now. Would you mind doing the same or deleting please?

Now deleted. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2021, 05:11:12 PM
By the time he got his settled squad together, they took 102 points. Why would you need a plan B up there as Rangers or Celtic?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2021, 05:14:54 PM
In case one of them became a bit good again?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ger Regan on November 11, 2021, 05:22:44 PM
Like a lot on here, he would have been far from my first choice, and is a big risk as to whether he can improve on Dean's work. It's done now, so I'm hoping he'll be a massive success and show that i'm clueless. I hope it's not a short honeymoon though.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Tebepaul on November 11, 2021, 05:43:05 PM
This Guardian article on Gerrard's achievements at Rangers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steven-gerrard-did-well-at-rangers-but-has-he-really-earned-the-aston-villa-job) sums up his performance pretty accurately.

Quote
The club has a last-reported £48m in staff costs, £33.5m of which relates to the first-team squad. It is a sad indictment of a player-trading model beyond Gerrard’s domain that not a single player was sold for even moderate value during his reign. Gerrard paid only lip service to the development of youth players via the first team. All the while, Rangers were reporting huge financial losses.

Obviously hope that things work out for the best at Villa Park, but much of the evidence speaks against it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: gpbarr on November 11, 2021, 05:46:15 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.

I don't doubt that he'll get the backing. But I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you both here, gents. We couldn't keep hold of our best player in the summer and we've replaced Smith with someone who isn't markedly a significant upgrade. Both to me indicate that we're not more talk than action. Maybe I should be more realistic, but neither indicate to me that we're moving in the right direction.
Who do you think we could realistically get that would have been guaranteed significant upgrade?  Don't say Ten Hag, Rangnick or Rodgers as thats's fantasy.  Which of the suggested candidates would have been massively more ambitious?  Favre?  Fonseca?  Better - we'll never know.  But more ambitious?  Nah.

If the ambition of the hierarchy is European football I don't see how Gerrard takes us closer to that than Smith at present. It's surely the job of the club to get someone in who is more likely to achieve that?

The appointment says more about the ambition than the words. I’m afraid we need to reset expectations.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Pete3206 on November 11, 2021, 05:52:05 PM
All of this smacks of Tim Sherwood.

Prove me wrong Steven G.

Please
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeonW on November 11, 2021, 05:55:13 PM
I've no enthusiasm for this appointment. Not one bit. To think we hooked one of our own for this. No PL manageral experience. Where does this leave the big plan?

I just hope the board are right one this and that I ain't.

I think this appointment demonstrates that the big plan is not as big as we'd like it or have been led to believe it is.
I don't think this is a logical conclusion.  A lot of people will consider this to be an ambitious appointment.  It may not be the right one, but I don't think that is anything to do with ambition, just Purslow's judgement.  I don't think Potter or Marinez etc would have been any more ambitious, possibly more successful, but we'll never know.  I think the only appointments that would have been demonstrably more ambitious than this (without getting too daft) would have been Rodgers or Ten Hag and I'm 100% convinced that neither would have come at this point.

No chance Gerrard takes this without assurance over the backing he will get. Compared to some of the other names, I think this is the one appointment that shows the board are indeed all in on the plan still.

I don't doubt that he'll get the backing. But I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you both here, gents. We couldn't keep hold of our best player in the summer and we've replaced Smith with someone who isn't markedly a significant upgrade. Both to me indicate that we're not more talk than action. Maybe I should be more realistic, but neither indicate to me that we're moving in the right direction.
Who do you think we could realistically get that would have been guaranteed significant upgrade?  Don't say Ten Hag, Rangnick or Rodgers as thats's fantasy.  Which of the suggested candidates would have been massively more ambitious?  Favre?  Fonseca?  Better - we'll never know.  But more ambitious?  Nah.

If the ambition of the hierarchy is European football I don't see how Gerrard takes us closer to that than Smith at present. It's surely the job of the club to get someone in who is more likely to achieve that?

The appointment says more about the ambition than the words. I’m afraid we need to reset expectations.

Yes, I think so.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 05:55:16 PM
By the time he got his settled squad together, they took 102 points. Why would you need a plan B up there as Rangers or Celtic?

This is a good piece about his tactics and the reasons for them.

https://www.rangersreview.co.uk/tactics/19455678.rangers-steven-gerrard-want-introduce-new-system/
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
Assessment of his time north of the border by Tom English. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59243189
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 06:03:44 PM
Apparently our game against Leicester in a few weeks is being referred to as 'El Ratico' in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 06:03:56 PM
Some genuinely distraught sounding Rangers fans on the radio this evening.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on November 11, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

I’m one of Dean Smith’s biggest fans, but his plan B led us to lose five in a row.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rigadon on November 11, 2021, 06:06:35 PM
All of this smacks of Tim Sherwood.

Prove me wrong Steven G.

Please

Other than they’re relatively young and were both midfielders, I’d say the similarities end there.  It is a gamble though.  I think he’ll be a good manager. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on November 11, 2021, 06:07:16 PM
There’s some genuinely distraught Villa fans too Risso !
We’re just on here , not on the radio….,
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: manic-road on November 11, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Welcome Steven, don't be shit.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 11, 2021, 06:07:42 PM
So Gerrard is the same age as Brian Little when he took over at VP.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 06:08:29 PM
A piece by a very good Liverpool based journalist - I've heard him in the past talking about Villa and tactics generally and he knows his stuff.  Beware, he does use the 'stepping stone' phrase

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-steven-gerrard-aston-villa-22126147 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 11, 2021, 06:22:19 PM
So Gerrard is the same age as Brian Little when he took over at VP.


Even just the teeniest bit older, maybe a few months in it. That doesn't seem right, for some unsettling reason. Perhaps because I'd not seen HWWOW kick a ball in an eternity beforehand, whereas it does feel like Gerrard only hung up his boots moments ago.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 06:39:11 PM
"He doesn't change things round. He hasn't got a plan B."

Not my words, the words of him that runs the biggest Rangers site.

I’m one of Dean Smith’s biggest fans, but his plan B led us to lose five in a row.

That was his Plan A.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 06:42:40 PM
My god Southgate just called us a fabulous football club. Must be just Smith he hated. :o
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
If you look at football coaching credentials then he is a great choice

Young
Ambitious
Winning mentality
Actual winner of a league championship
Seemingly strong presence and man management
Very well respected in media

If it was anyone with that rep sheet I would be extatic

But it's Steven Gerrard

I really hope he proves me and every other doubters wrong.
 
You've captured my thoughts, Hookey. I'm warming to the mix of skills that McAllister, Beale and Mr G bring.
I'm hoping that there is some balance from Lange and others to ensure that recruitment is sensible and that the kids get their chance (I think Beale will ensure the latter, given his background).
It would appear that his tactical approach will not be a big stretch for our current squad, which means that we should not see a 'running in' period.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 11, 2021, 06:53:32 PM
Gerrard wasn't my first choice. Roberto Martinez was, out of the names rumoured, but he's hardly going to walk away from the Belgium job 12 months before a world cup that his side are one of the favourites to win. But, I can see why he's been appointed so he get's my 100% backing. This is more a Lambert type appointment (at the time) than a McLeish appointment.

We really need someone with an idea of how to play Football - I don't watch Scottish football so I don't know if Gerrard is the right man for that - but, can it be much worse than Smith's one way of playing? Mings hoofing it down the line? Probably not.

Also, Gerrard could have just stayed at Rangers and hung around till Klopp walked out - but he didn't. Fair play - he's come to a job, where, if he fails then his chance of ending up at Anfield is gone - so it's as much as risk for him as it is us.

We need him now to come in and give these players a kick up the arse.


Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 11, 2021, 06:58:41 PM
By the time he got his settled squad together, they took 102 points. Why would you need a plan B up there as Rangers or Celtic?

This is a good piece about his tactics and the reasons for them.

https://www.rangersreview.co.uk/tactics/19455678.rangers-steven-gerrard-want-introduce-new-system/
This is good stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 11, 2021, 07:16:03 PM
So much is riding on this appointment for all involved, Gerrard has to have success here to be looked upon as a successor to Klopp, Purslow made the call and it's not fantasy to say he would be in trouble if it comes back to bite us and for us, well the overwheming majority was dead set against it meaning there is no honeymoon period for him, if we see no improvement in the first few games and we continue to slide the knives will be out big time. I desperately want him to be the ONE but we have been here many times before with so many false dawns. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 07:25:02 PM
This Guardian article on Gerrard's achievements at Rangers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steven-gerrard-did-well-at-rangers-but-has-he-really-earned-the-aston-villa-job) sums up his performance pretty accurately.

Quote
The club has a last-reported £48m in staff costs, £33.5m of which relates to the first-team squad. It is a sad indictment of a player-trading model beyond Gerrard’s domain that not a single player was sold for even moderate value during his reign. Gerrard paid only lip service to the development of youth players via the first team. All the while, Rangers were reporting huge financial losses.

Obviously hope that things work out for the best at Villa Park, but much of the evidence speaks against it.

I read this whole article and started to feel depressed again.  I kinda accepted it a bit, but reading that makes him sound like an opportunist, and this could go against the long-term plans. 

It doesn't look like he will develop our kids - which is a big concern

Basically - I'm now thinking he will look to short wire our success the Martin o'neil way - buy ready made players with little resale value - so he can get us in a decent position and fuck off when Klopp retires.

I guess that's the issue with someone using our club as a stepping stone - they're not worried about whats best for the, but what ill make them look best

Wish I had read the Telegraph article second which felt much more positive. 

For me, the key things are that we stick to our plan of developing youth, and setting up the club in the right way.

If SG can get us some success and serve as a "face" while we do then fine.

So long as he is held to the same targets that any other manager would, and we dont lose all these great young players then "lets go"

Basically - as my wife says to my Kids - "we're stuck with him now, lets make the best of it"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 07:26:42 PM
The more I read about Gerrard and his coaching team around him and the more people I have seen outside of our Villa bubble the more I'm starting to see it could be a very exciting and shrewd bit of business. I guess for those who do not follow Villa, have not had to face the heartache of losing Grealish and then Smith in such a short space of time, spoiling this perfect football dream. It's been hard coming to terms with Smith being sacked, although after the year he's had it's hard very to argue against the decision that was made.

It's a new chapter and I'm actually looking forward to the Brighton game. Hand on heart, I have to say if Smith was still in charge, I can't say I was confident at all. Obviously now I'm being plunged into blind faith and my claret and blue spectacles are firmly back in place.

Well for now, anyway.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on November 11, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Our upcoming Fixtures look frightening.

Brighton - MUST WIN
Palace - Minimum DRAW
Man City-Defeat Accepted
Leicester-Minimum DRAW
Liverpool-Defeat Accepted

If any of the above Draws or the solo Win turns to defeat , we are in BIG TROUBLE



Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 11, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
Right I've watched a bit of Mr Gerrard's Rangers on YouTube, and while the coaching staff are important, I think its far more vital he's allowed to bring the opposition down with him.

Don't know about the players, but Gerrard has managed to get a tune out of SB so far.

Who is SB?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 07:31:39 PM
Our upcoming Fixtures look frightening.

Brighton - MUST WIN
Palace - Minimum DRAW
Man City-Defeat Accepted
Leicester-Minimum DRAW
Liverpool-Defeat Accepted

If any of the above Draws or the solo Win turns to defeat , we are in BIG TROUBLE
Ah - I've missed you
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 07:33:16 PM
The more I read about Gerrard and his coaching team around him and the more people I have seen outside of our Villa bubble the more I'm starting to see it could be a very exciting and shrewd bit of business. I guess for those who do not follow Villa, have not had to face the heartache of losing Grealish and then Smith in such a short space of time, spoiling this perfect football dream. It's been hard coming to terms with Smith being sacked, although after the year he's had it's hard very to argue against the decision that was made.

It's a new chapter and I'm actually looking forward to the Brighton game. Hand on heart, I have to say if Smith was still in charge, I can't say I was confident at all. Obviously now I'm being plunged into blind faith and my claret and blue spectacles are firmly back in place.

Well for now, anyway.
Do not read the Guardian article :-) 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 07:33:40 PM
Who is SB?

Sickbeggar aka Keir Starmer's biggest fan.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 11, 2021, 07:33:46 PM
So much is riding on this appointment for all involved, Gerrard has to have success here to be looked upon as a successor to Klopp, Purslow made the call and it's not fantasy to say he would be in trouble if it comes back to bite us and for us, well the overwheming majority was dead set against it meaning there is no honeymoon period for him, if we see no improvement in the first few games and we continue to slide the knives will be out big time. I desperately want him to be the ONE but we have been here many times before with so many false dawns. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 07:42:08 PM
Who is SB?

Sickbeggar aka Keir Starmer's biggest fan.

KEEEEEIIIITH
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: CT Villan on November 11, 2021, 07:45:43 PM
I'm cautiously unoptimistic.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 11, 2021, 07:46:27 PM
I'm cautiously unoptimistic.
rightly so; we are Aston Villa. Making the impossible possible since 1874.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dave P on November 11, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
Our upcoming Fixtures look frightening.

Brighton - MUST WIN
Palace - Minimum DRAW
Man City-Defeat Accepted
Leicester-Minimum DRAW
Liverpool-Defeat Accepted

If any of the above Draws or the solo Win turns to defeat , we are in BIG TROUBLE

First game for a new manager is MUST WIN? Blimey get that pressure on early.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 11, 2021, 08:02:47 PM
The one positive is that I'm sure he will go all out in January to get us a midfield enforcer.

Barry Ferguson.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 08:08:06 PM
The more I read about Gerrard and his coaching team around him and the more people I have seen outside of our Villa bubble the more I'm starting to see it could be a very exciting and shrewd bit of business. I guess for those who do not follow Villa, have not had to face the heartache of losing Grealish and then Smith in such a short space of time, spoiling this perfect football dream. It's been hard coming to terms with Smith being sacked, although after the year he's had it's hard very to argue against the decision that was made.

It's a new chapter and I'm actually looking forward to the Brighton game. Hand on heart, I have to say if Smith was still in charge, I can't say I was confident at all. Obviously now I'm being plunged into blind faith and my claret and blue spectacles are firmly back in place.

Well for now, anyway.
Do not read the Guardian article :-) 


Hey, you can’t believe everything you read in the press ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 11, 2021, 08:08:51 PM
So much is riding on this appointment for all involved, Gerrard has to have success here to be looked upon as a successor to Klopp, Purslow made the call and it's not fantasy to say he would be in trouble if it comes back to bite us and for us, well the overwheming majority was dead set against it meaning there is no honeymoon period for him, if we see no improvement in the first few games and we continue to slide the knives will be out big time. I desperately want him to be the ONE but we have been here many times before with so many false dawns. Fingers crossed.

The overwhelming majority on here were against including me

I think this story was different in the open outside world
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
This Guardian article on Gerrard's achievements at Rangers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steven-gerrard-did-well-at-rangers-but-has-he-really-earned-the-aston-villa-job) sums up his performance pretty accurately.

Quote
The club has a last-reported £48m in staff costs, £33.5m of which relates to the first-team squad. It is a sad indictment of a player-trading model beyond Gerrard’s domain that not a single player was sold for even moderate value during his reign. Gerrard paid only lip service to the development of youth players via the first team. All the while, Rangers were reporting huge financial losses.

Obviously hope that things work out for the best at Villa Park, but much of the evidence speaks against it.

Get the sense that the journalist isn't exactly a fan of Sevco/Rangers ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 11, 2021, 08:42:02 PM
This Guardian article on Gerrard's achievements at Rangers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steven-gerrard-did-well-at-rangers-but-has-he-really-earned-the-aston-villa-job) sums up his performance pretty accurately.

Quote
The club has a last-reported £48m in staff costs, £33.5m of which relates to the first-team squad. It is a sad indictment of a player-trading model beyond Gerrard’s domain that not a single player was sold for even moderate value during his reign. Gerrard paid only lip service to the development of youth players via the first team. All the while, Rangers were reporting huge financial losses.

Obviously hope that things work out for the best at Villa Park, but much of the evidence speaks against it.

Get the sense that the journalist isn't exactly a fan of Sevco/Rangers ?

‘Swapping Rangers for Premier League mediocrity’ screams I am a sad, bitter old bastard.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2021, 08:57:17 PM
https://twitter.com/avfctranstweet/status/1458878349657485312?s=21
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 08:57:27 PM
Get the sense that the journalist isn't exactly a fan of Sevco/Rangers ?

AFAIK he was a fan of Rangers when he was growing up but was pretty vocal in highlighting his fellow fans' bigotry so has received plenty of stick from them for that. I'm not sure if he is a fan of the new entity.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 08:57:59 PM
I think honestly it's the sadness of Scottish football enthusiasts, seeing how unbelievably inferior their league is now. It's like with Rodgers and Leicester - anyone at the absolute best clubs they have to offer will walk if anyone even at the top of the Championship flutters their eyelashes at them, and that must be galling.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 08:58:18 PM
This Guardian article on Gerrard's achievements at Rangers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steven-gerrard-did-well-at-rangers-but-has-he-really-earned-the-aston-villa-job) sums up his performance pretty accurately.

Quote
The club has a last-reported £48m in staff costs, £33.5m of which relates to the first-team squad. It is a sad indictment of a player-trading model beyond Gerrard’s domain that not a single player was sold for even moderate value during his reign. Gerrard paid only lip service to the development of youth players via the first team. All the while, Rangers were reporting huge financial losses.

Obviously hope that things work out for the best at Villa Park, but much of the evidence speaks against it.

Get the sense that the journalist isn't exactly a fan of Sevco/Rangers ?

He supports Hearts, which is nearly as bad as supporting FC Zombie.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
The only manager to qualify past the knockouts of a European competition with a Scottish club in 10 years. He did it twice. Celtic haven't managed in in 17 years.

What a bitter whopper that Guadian writer is.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 09:01:39 PM
This Guardian article on Gerrard's achievements at Rangers (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/11/steven-gerrard-did-well-at-rangers-but-has-he-really-earned-the-aston-villa-job) sums up his performance pretty accurately.

Quote
The club has a last-reported £48m in staff costs, £33.5m of which relates to the first-team squad. It is a sad indictment of a player-trading model beyond Gerrard’s domain that not a single player was sold for even moderate value during his reign. Gerrard paid only lip service to the development of youth players via the first team. All the while, Rangers were reporting huge financial losses.

Obviously hope that things work out for the best at Villa Park, but much of the evidence speaks against it.

Get the sense that the journalist isn't exactly a fan of Sevco/Rangers ?

He supports Hearts, which is nearly as bad as supporting FC Zombie.

Now come on, behave me old mucker. Ain't none of that sectarian style in the Burgh. The Jambos are mainly sad, not evil.

https://twitter.com/avfctranstweet/status/1458878349657485312?s=21

Gab Marcotti told a story on his podcast with Julien Laurens, about seeing Gerrard at the Istanbul 2005 afterparty sitting on the sofa, with the trophy, just staring at it like a madman. He's clearly nuts, which is a plus.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 09:07:08 PM
I went to school with them, Monty. It's sectarianism-lite, but that's still what it is.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 09:13:52 PM
Fair enough SE. I tend to find the zoomers among them and their Hibie counterparts more exception than rule, but I respect your experience.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 11, 2021, 09:20:31 PM
According to our lovely friends from across the City, they get the impression most of us on H and V want him to fail, how strange
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 09:23:14 PM
Fair enough SE. I tend to find the zoomers among them and their Hibie counterparts more exception than rule, but I respect your experience.

It's nowhere near on the scale of the Old Firm (and, as I'm sure you know, half of Edinburgh supports one of them anyway), but there are definite pockets on both sides.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on November 11, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Deffo wasn't my choice.He'll have my support, but underwhelmed to say the least.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 11, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
According to our lovely friends from across the City, they get the impression most of us on H and V want him to fail, how strange
Why in the name of God would we want him to fail??!!...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Hillbilly on November 11, 2021, 09:33:39 PM
Possibly. Only time will tell.

EDIT: Just as a point of reference, Rangers have 4 academy players in their squad, Celtic have 16. Obviously it takes time to develop an academy but you would have thought Rangers being so skint for so long would have gone down the youth route rather than buying success.
Have you not been following the Sevco story? Living way beyond their means is their default.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 11, 2021, 09:33:40 PM
According to our lovely friends from across the City, they get the impression most of us on H and V want him to fail, how strange

You should know by now that there's never a single word said on here that lot couldn't twist out of all recognition and use in evidence for their Da Vile Is All Nasty case.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 09:36:01 PM
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Harte on November 11, 2021, 09:37:15 PM
According to our lovely friends from across the City, they get the impression most of us on H and V want him to fail, how strange
To be fair to that lot (not that I ever feel like being fair to them) 80% of people on here (myself included) did vote No to him becoming Villa manager.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 09:38:27 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 11, 2021, 09:40:15 PM
All of this smacks of Tim Sherwood.

Prove me wrong Steven G.

Please

I'm sorry but that is a crap comparison.
Sherwood had a few games in charge of spurs and thought he was the next best thing. The Liverpool semi aside he was a clown.
Gerrard has won the league and is forging his managerial career over a few years before us
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 09:41:45 PM
According to our lovely friends from across the City, they get the impression most of us on H and V want him to fail, how strange
To be fair to that lot (not that I ever feel like being fair to them) 80% of people on here (myself included) did vote No to him becoming Villa manager.

I have been fairly positive about him. But still voted no to wanting him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 11, 2021, 09:41:57 PM
There's a big difference between not wanting him to get the job and wanting him to fail once he's got it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Des Little on November 11, 2021, 09:45:00 PM
It’s dogshitters you’re talking about. Them and rational thinking aren’t exactly compatible.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 09:46:54 PM
There's a big difference between not wanting him to get the job and wanting him to fail once he's got it.

Exactly. I'd have been nonplussed by say, Frank Lampard, but I'd have wanted him to do well had he got it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2021, 09:59:27 PM
There's a big difference between not wanting him to get the job and wanting him to fail once he's got it.

Exactly. I'd have been nonplussed by say, Frank Lampard, but I'd have wanted him to do well had he got it.

Yep. To further the point, Mcleish was a totally baffling appointment but I wanted him to succeed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:02:50 PM
There's a big difference between not wanting him to get the job and wanting him to fail once he's got it.

Exactly. Personally I was against it but now he is our manager I back him 100%.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 10:05:45 PM
In fairness my main issue is having to listen to him speak. I think he'll do really well as a manager, and seems to have his head screwed on in knowing where he needs help and putting a good team around him to let him succeed. But that fucking voice and accent.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 11, 2021, 10:23:25 PM
I haven't seen any interviews with him yet. Thank god. Just a statement.  If he carries on communicating that way that would be grand. No need to hear him speak.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 10:25:08 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mallo on November 11, 2021, 10:30:08 PM
I have a personal mistrust of scousers having seen my mother teach there and receive nothing but dogs abuse for 20 years - and I thought this too easy an appointment- it gets the top brass out by saying up and coming but can sack him - for me it’s not ambitious but scapegoat. Having said that he’s done well and has a winning attitude and can change so good luck. He’s here now so I’m not going to wear a hair shirt - I’ll enjoy.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Pete3206 on November 11, 2021, 10:34:26 PM
All of this smacks of Tim Sherwood.

Prove me wrong Steven G.

Please

I'm sorry but that is a crap comparison.
Sherwood had a few games in charge of spurs and thought he was the next best thing. The Liverpool semi aside he was a clown.
Gerrard has won the league and is forging his managerial career over a few years before us

Gerrard has won a league consisting of League One and Two standard clubs and their main rivals took a major stumble last season.

I hope he's a success, but I doubt that he'll have had any significant impact by the time the owners call time on his tenure. As for future Liverpool manager, do me a favour.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 10:34:45 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

https://twitter.com/footyaccums/status/1458791960391655429?s=21
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 10:37:08 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

There’s quite a few

https://twitter.com/tybracey/status/1458760310148505604?s=21
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2021, 10:40:22 PM
Beat me to it Risso!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 10:41:07 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793
People keep sending me stuff off social media and I think it's fair to say that Rangers fans haven't taken the news too well. It got me thinking how well we would take it and come to think of it I can't think of any manager of ours that we have had poached off us mid-season so I think they have a point.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 10:47:15 PM
I see John Hartson has said he can’t understand him coming here and that Villa are small enough to fit in Rangers back pocket.

I wonder what he made of Rodgers move to Leicester. And Di Canio, Van Dyke, Ferguson (s) and more or less everyone else at the Old Firm over the last 100 years who was good enough to earn a move?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 11:00:05 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

The tartan and the cheapest frame in existence.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 11:06:52 PM
God the standard of BBC football coverage is embarrassing isn't it? The Phil McNulty piece could've been compiled from a random selection of 606 calls, it was so witless and devoid of original thought.

The worst bit, however, was this: 'so Gerrard takes the next step in his managerial and coaching career at a club where his reputation and career wins him instant respect and adulation.' Adulation! Obviously he earned respect as a player, but adulation? All he ever did was score against us and try and amputate George Boateng, why would we have adulation for him? Cretinous beyond describing.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 11, 2021, 11:07:58 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793
People keep sending me stuff off social media and I think it's fair to say that Rangers fans haven't taken the news too well. It got me thinking how well we would take it and come to think of it I can't think of any manager of ours that we have had poached off us mid-season so I think they have a point.

How we would take it ?
Did you not see the fallout on here when Grealish left
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 11:09:11 PM
God the standard of BBC football coverage is embarrassing isn't it? The Phil McNulty piece could've been compiled from a random selection of 606 calls, it was so witless and devoid of original thought.

The worst bit, however, was this: 'so Gerrard takes the next step in his managerial and coaching career at a club where his reputation and career wins him instant respect and adulation.' Adulation! Obviously he earned respect as a player, but adulation? All he ever did was score against us and try and amputate George Boateng, why would we have adulation for him? Cretinous beyond describing.

McNulty is a shockingly poor journo. Haven't read anything of his for a long time.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 11:10:35 PM
According to our lovely friends from across the City, they get the impression most of us on H and V want him to fail, how strange

And the impression I get of them is- oh no, I don't know or care.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 11:11:53 PM
God the standard of BBC football coverage is embarrassing isn't it? The Phil McNulty piece could've been compiled from a random selection of 606 calls, it was so witless and devoid of original thought.

The worst bit, however, was this: 'so Gerrard takes the next step in his managerial and coaching career at a club where his reputation and career wins him instant respect and adulation.' Adulation! Obviously he earned respect as a player, but adulation? All he ever did was score against us and try and amputate George Boateng, why would we have adulation for him? Cretinous beyond describing.

McNulty is a shockingly poor journo. Haven't read anything of his for a long time.
Didnt you read the memo - we should be over the moon to have a Liverpool legend deem us worthy of the job.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: danno on November 11, 2021, 11:16:04 PM
I see John Hartson has said he can’t understand him coming here and that Villa are small enough to fit in Rangers back pocket.

I wonder what he made of Rodgers move to Leicester. And Di Canio, Van Dyke, Ferguson (s) and more or less everyone else at the Old Firm over the last 100 years who was good enough to earn a move?

It does make you wonder why Squillionaires haven't bought Rangers tbh. Perhaps they're just so intimidated by how massive they are.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 11:16:13 PM
In fairness my main issue is having to listen to him speak. I think he'll do really well as a manager, and seems to have his head screwed on in knowing where he needs help and putting a good team around him to let him succeed. But that fucking voice and accent.

As people who also get lots of stick about our accents, I think we as a fanbase should lay off his voice. It's just a sign of where he's from, and while it's not a favourite of mine, I don't care.

At least he pronounces 'Birmingham' with a 'g' in it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 11:18:18 PM
God the standard of BBC football coverage is embarrassing isn't it? The Phil McNulty piece could've been compiled from a random selection of 606 calls, it was so witless and devoid of original thought.

The worst bit, however, was this: 'so Gerrard takes the next step in his managerial and coaching career at a club where his reputation and career wins him instant respect and adulation.' Adulation! Obviously he earned respect as a player, but adulation? All he ever did was score against us and try and amputate George Boateng, why would we have adulation for him? Cretinous beyond describing.

McNulty is a huge Liverpool fan.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2021, 11:19:25 PM
The Brummie accent is recognised as being trustworthy though...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 11:25:01 PM
God the standard of BBC football coverage is embarrassing isn't it? The Phil McNulty piece could've been compiled from a random selection of 606 calls, it was so witless and devoid of original thought.

The worst bit, however, was this: 'so Gerrard takes the next step in his managerial and coaching career at a club where his reputation and career wins him instant respect and adulation.' Adulation! Obviously he earned respect as a player, but adulation? All he ever did was score against us and try and amputate George Boateng, why would we have adulation for him? Cretinous beyond describing.

McNulty is a huge Liverpool fan.

Sure, but if Paul Scholes became Liverpool manager would he expect 'adulation'? Of course not. Because he's got soap for brains.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 11:28:32 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

https://twitter.com/footyaccums/status/1458791960391655429?s=21

As the first comment says, 'why have you got a lifesize cardboard cutout of Steven Gerrard'?

Strange fucking bunch. Maybe the lockdown depriving them of the opportunity to dress up like Homepride beauty pageant contestants and march through catholic areas singing inflammatory songs then claiming in court "a wasnay bein' baggoted, a was tarking aboot a wee gadgee a know who's called, eh, Fred Nian, aye. An'it's has blood I wannae be up to ma knees in, aye...Freeed fuckn, ah, Nian, ******!..." has driven them to assaulting Sports Direct displays.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 11:34:48 PM
I see John Hartson has said he can’t understand him coming here and that Villa are small enough to fit in Rangers back pocket.


To be fair, I reckon Hartson's spatial awareness is somewhat skewed, given he can fit Greenland in his back pocket.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 11:35:36 PM
The Brummie accent is recognised as being trustworthy though...

I know, it's helped me nick so many wallets over the years.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 11, 2021, 11:39:02 PM
In fairness my main issue is having to listen to him speak. I think he'll do really well as a manager, and seems to have his head screwed on in knowing where he needs help and putting a good team around him to let him succeed. But that fucking voice and accent.

As people who also get lots of stick about our accents, I think we as a fanbase should lay off his voice. It's just a sign of where he's from, and while it's not a favourite of mine, I don't care.

At least he pronounces 'Birmingham' with a 'g' in it.

I agree with you Rory.

I am amazed at how many people confuse the two accents, usually southerners. There was even an article on the BBC website on this subject when Peaky Blinders became a massive hit. I like the scouse accent so I’m not remotely bothered.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2021, 11:49:57 PM
As people who also get lots of stick about our accents, I think we as a fanbase should lay off his voice. It's just a sign of where he's from, and while it's not a favourite of mine, I don't care.

At least he pronounces 'Birmingham' with a 'g' in it.

I am amazed at how many people confuse the two accents, usually southerners. There was even an article on the BBC website on this subject when Peaky Blinders became a massive hit. I like the scouse accent so I’m not remotely bothered.

Agree on both counts. My accent isn't particularly strong and seems to be hard for people to pin down but I probably get Scouse more than anywhere else (must be the mix of Brummie and Irish). Or maybe I'm not that trustworthy.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 11, 2021, 11:57:01 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

https://twitter.com/footyaccums/status/1458791960391655429?s=21

As the first comment says, 'why have you got a lifesize cardboard cutout of Steven Gerrard'?

Strange fucking bunch. Maybe the lockdown depriving them of the opportunity to dress up like Homepride beauty pageant contestants and march through catholic areas singing inflammatory songs then claiming in court "a wasnay bein' baggoted, a was tarking aboot a wee gadgee a know who's called, eh, Fred Nian, aye. An'it's has blood I wannae be up to ma knees in, aye...Freeed fuckn, ah, Nian, ******!..." has driven them to assaulting Sports Direct displays.

https://twitter.com/RyanStevenF/status/1458858999047237638
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 12:01:04 AM
As people who also get lots of stick about our accents, I think we as a fanbase should lay off his voice. It's just a sign of where he's from, and while it's not a favourite of mine, I don't care.

At least he pronounces 'Birmingham' with a 'g' in it.

I am amazed at how many people confuse the two accents, usually southerners. There was even an article on the BBC website on this subject when Peaky Blinders became a massive hit. I like the scouse accent so I’m not remotely bothered.

Agree on both counts. My accent isn't particularly strong and seems to be hard for people to pin down but I probably get Scouse more than anywhere else (must be the mix of Brummie and Irish). Or maybe I'm not that trustworthy.

There's a lot of Irish influence in the Scouse accent, so I'm not surprised. Equally, I grew up in a working class family in North Birmingham and nobody from south of the West Midlands knows where I'm from. I'm just 'northern'. Then as soon as I say, they go "aaawwwhhhh Beeerrrrmmmiiinnnnggghhhaaammm!"

Yes, that's why you had to ask me before you knew, you southern twat.

Northerners always know, and apart from a few Mancs, never try to take the piss. So I'll be leaving Gerrard's voice out of this.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 12:04:45 AM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

https://twitter.com/footyaccums/status/1458791960391655429?s=21

As the first comment says, 'why have you got a lifesize cardboard cutout of Steven Gerrard'?

Strange fucking bunch. Maybe the lockdown depriving them of the opportunity to dress up like Homepride beauty pageant contestants and march through catholic areas singing inflammatory songs then claiming in court "a wasnay bein' baggoted, a was tarking aboot a wee gadgee a know who's called, eh, Fred Nian, aye. An'it's has blood I wannae be up to ma knees in, aye...Freeed fuckn, ah, Nian, ******!..." has driven them to assaulting Sports Direct displays.

https://twitter.com/RyanStevenF/status/1458858999047237638

Haha! That's what I've done with my cutout of Jack, to be fair... "Face the wall Jack. Jack. Jack. FACE THE FUCKING WALL WILL YER?!"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2021, 12:34:54 AM
There's nothing wrong with his accent.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 12:37:18 AM
Yes, this highlighting of accent stuff is pretty unsavoury.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 01:08:12 AM
Agreed, Ads and SE. Let's leave complaining about accents to Londoners, who like to think theirs is the only 'proper' way of speaking.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 12, 2021, 02:33:21 AM
Wish I had read the Telegraph article second which felt much more positive. 

Maybe reading the Independent article will cheer you up again?


Steven Gerrard the manager is ready for the step that has been a long time coming

The new Aston Villa head coach has been determined to carve a path in management divorced from his playing career and he has succeeded, writes Melissa Reddy

“This is mad. They have no idea what I’m like as a manager. I know that because I have no idea what I’m like as a manager!”

It is early 2016 and Steven Gerrard has been mulling over his retirement, but an official announcement is long months in the distance.

Still, his phone won’t stop pinging with approaches for managerial opportunities. This doesn’t flatter but instead rather spooks him.

Gerrard is still working towards completing his Uefa A license and wants any job he lands in the dugout to revolve around merit rather than his achievements as a player.

It concerns him that there are club chairman who want him to shape a team on the strength of his name, rather than any coaching credentials.

Gerrard eschews the fast-tracked route into management, turning down MK Dons and swatting away any other offers - including with the Football Association - to join Liverpool’s academy in a floating role at the start of 2017.

By April, he is announced as the new manager of the club’s Under-18s, with Neil Critchley promoted to leading the U23s.

Jurgen Klopp had advised Gerrard that he should only spend a short period shadowing coaches because the true education would come when he has ownership of a team himself.

“He was right!,” Gerrard would say in December 2017. “I’ve aged about two years in six months! Jurgen said to me, ‘I only want you to shadow for a short period of time because you need to have a couple of years of making mistakes, of picking your own team, you need to decide tactics, you need to find your philosophy, a way of playing, you need to deal with individual problems, you need to praise individuals, you need to try to help individuals, you need to feel disappointment and set backs and then after a couple of years, you’ll know if this gig is for you’.”

Fast forward and the man who smartly chose to crawl into management, who then ended Celtic’s monopoly on the Scottish title with Rangers, doing so while going unbeaten, is Aston Villa’s new head coach.

The gig is certainly for him. And not on account of Steven Gerrard the player, but Steven Gerrard the manager.

Anyone who concludes that Villa are offering him the keys to their £205m net spend castle because he is “high profile” rather than the fact he has already proven to be a good manager across key criteria hasn’t been paying attention.

They had to move so quickly because suitors for Gerrard have been in large supply. Newcastle United had wanted him and would have heavily pursued him if he showed any interest in fronting their new Saudi-funded era.

He still remains in their big picture for the long term. If Tottenham were unable to get Antonio Conte to stick and had to twist in a different direction, Gerrard was one of their leading options.

He is prime managerial real estate for multiple reasons, not least his reconstruction of Rangers into a force.

There is an overflow of respect for Gerrard getting into management the right way: doing his badges and making his mistakes while learning the trade in youth development.

This was a brave choice at a time when Frank Lampard, the contemporary he has most been compared with, walked straight into Derby and was then catapulted into the Chelsea hotseat.

There were several warnings that Gerrard could get left behind, but he was not interested in the prestige of a big job or playing into his standing in the game. The objective was to soak up information and quietly shape his career while priming for the next step.

Even during advanced talks with Liverpool over coaching at the academy, the former midfielder emphasised he wanted a meaningful role rather than a symbolic one.

And when ex-Rangers chairman Dave King proposed his first gig in a high-pressured environment, Gerrard only agreed after a series of around 15 meetings when he was sure that his managerial vision and the club’s blueprint married.

The Scottish side swerved experienced Premier League candidates and a former England manager to put their trust in him, which King and former sporting director Mark Allen insisted wasn’t a gamble due to Gerrard’s clarity of philosophy, how he communicated it and “magnetic leadership” that couldn’t be matched by the others.

He delivered a title and regular European football, those golden touches underpinned by a concrete identity and a belief that had long evaporated from Rangers.

The attacking, possession-based style of football, protected by a rapid press and solid defensive structure, extracted the best out of his squad and imbued them with confidence in their abilities.

Gerrard’s preferred formation has been 4-3-3, although he has also used a 4-2-3-1. He built a team that is pragmatic, versatile and streetwise: they are comfortable constructing play from the back or going long, they can outplay opponents and outfight them, they are dangerous from set-pieces but can also slice through you.

Gerrard intelligently rounded up an inner circle that minimises his blind spots and maximises his football ideals. Michael Beale is an experienced tactical brain and excellent on the training pitches, Tom Culshaw is adept at helping teams locate the edges, especially from deadball situations, and Gary McAllister is both a sounding board and the man tasked with adding variety to the team’s passing game.

Away from the on-pitch mechanisms, Gerrard has shown incredible authority and empathy in situations that no coaching manual can guide you through. As a youth coach, he went to bat for Rhian Brewster who suffered racial abuse against Spartak Moscow in 2017 and provided after care that the forward still references his gratitude for.

Gerrard was then fierce in his criticism of Slavia Prague, Sparta Prague and the lack of meaty punishments from Uefa after Glen Kamara endured disgusting discrimination on account of his skin colour.

His expert handling of the media has also been noted by recruitment departments, in particular the way he palmed off questions about taking over from Klopp through Liverpool’s turbulent spell last season, and links to Newcastle while Steve Bruce was still in situ recently, by respectfully talking up both managers.

Gerrard has spent four years developing and fully forming his identity in the dugout. There is a crystalline philosophy in play and a streamlined methodology in carrying it out.

The pressures at Villa, the expectations and the external noise will all be greater. He is ready for it and will relish it.

Steven Gerrard knows exactly what he’s like as a manager and we’re all about to properly find out.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 12, 2021, 02:35:39 AM
By the time he got his settled squad together, they took 102 points. Why would you need a plan B up there as Rangers or Celtic?

This is a good piece about his tactics and the reasons for them.

https://www.rangersreview.co.uk/tactics/19455678.rangers-steven-gerrard-want-introduce-new-system/
This is good stuff.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: robbo1874 on November 12, 2021, 02:55:02 AM
The Brummie accent is recognised as being trustworthy though...
Mind your car mate?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: KevinGage on November 12, 2021, 03:23:20 AM
As people who also get lots of stick about our accents, I think we as a fanbase should lay off his voice. It's just a sign of where he's from, and while it's not a favourite of mine, I don't care.

At least he pronounces 'Birmingham' with a 'g' in it.

I am amazed at how many people confuse the two accents, usually southerners. There was even an article on the BBC website on this subject when Peaky Blinders became a massive hit. I like the scouse accent so I’m not remotely bothered.

Agree on both counts. My accent isn't particularly strong and seems to be hard for people to pin down but I probably get Scouse more than anywhere else (must be the mix of Brummie and Irish). Or maybe I'm not that trustworthy.

There's a lot of Irish influence in the Scouse accent, so I'm not surprised. Equally, I grew up in a working class family in North Birmingham and nobody from south of the West Midlands knows where I'm from. I'm just 'northern'. Then as soon as I say, they go "aaawwwhhhh Beeerrrrmmmiiinnnnggghhhaaammm!"

Yes, that's why you had to ask me before you knew, you southern twat.

Northerners always know, and apart from a few Mancs, never try to take the piss. So I'll be leaving Gerrard's voice out of this.

To run totally contrary to that, when a few of our Villa party ran into some Scousers of the Birkenhead variety a few years back in central London after a Fulham awayday, the inevitable "Biiiirmingum" impersonations started up.

Naturally if this came from residents of Kensington, Wimbledon or Beverly Hills etc (it never does), one might just have to bite ones lip or drink through the onslaught.

But when it comes from residents of Shit Town (Birkenhead/Bradford/Middlesborough/ name your own) a hearty round of "fuck off" is not only merited but compulsory. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 12, 2021, 03:47:44 AM
How much influence over transfers will he have? did rangers buy from abroad while he was in charge?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Bad English on November 12, 2021, 06:07:52 AM
Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: robbo1874 on November 12, 2021, 06:58:45 AM
Picking up on Daz’s offering of a new song:

Steve Gerrard Gerrard,

He’s claret and blue and hard,

He’s better than Frank Lampard.

Steve Gerrard Gerrard.

That’s me done for the day, off to the pub now.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: alanclare on November 12, 2021, 07:42:35 AM
As people who also get lots of stick about our accents, I think we as a fanbase should lay off his voice. It's just a sign of where he's from, and while it's not a favourite of mine, I don't care.

At least he pronounces 'Birmingham' with a 'g' in it.

I am amazed at how many people confuse the two accents, usually southerners. There was even an article on the BBC website on this subject when Peaky Blinders became a massive hit. I like the scouse accent so I’m not remotely bothered.

Agree on both counts. My accent isn't particularly strong and seems to be hard for people to pin down but I probably get Scouse more than anywhere else (must be the mix of Brummie and Irish). Or maybe I'm not that trustworthy.

There's a lot of Irish influence in the Scouse accent, so I'm not surprised. Equally, I grew up in a working class family in North Birmingham and nobody from south of the West Midlands knows where I'm from. I'm just 'northern'. Then as soon as I say, they go "aaawwwhhhh Beeerrrrmmmiiinnnnggghhhaaammm!"

Yes, that's why you had to ask me before you knew, you southern twat.

Northerners always know, and apart from a few Mancs, never try to take the piss. So I'll be leaving Gerrard's voice out of this.

To run totally contrary to that, when a few of our Villa party ran into some Scousers of the Birkenhead variety a few years back in central London after a Fulham awayday, the inevitable "Biiiirmingum" impersonations started up.

Naturally if this came from residents of Kensington, Wimbledon or Beverly Hills etc (it never does), one might just have to bite ones lip or drink through the onslaught.

But when it comes from residents of Shit Town (Birkenhead/Bradford/Middlesborough/ name your own) a hearty round of "fuck off" is not only merited but compulsory. 

I’m just visiting the site to get some idea of the fans response to Gerard’s appointment. Glad to see it’s being taken seriously.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: MattW on November 12, 2021, 07:51:48 AM
A really weird appointment given the reasons for losing the last manager?

I don't get you. The reason for getting rid of Smith was that he was performing badly.

Yep. It was obvious there was a ceiling and becoming likely there'd be a sustained slide.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 12, 2021, 08:02:07 AM
Agreed, Ads and SE. Let's leave complaining about accents to Londoners, who like to think theirs is the only 'proper' way of speaking.

So stereotyping northerners is a no no but we are ok to do it to Londoners? I’ve had the piss ripped out of my accent over the years by northern monkeys and southern shandies in equal measure
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 08:13:23 AM
Some accents just grate a bit don't they? Regardless of the people the accent can be difficult. I don't like the scouse accent but know plenty of nice scousers. I don't like the Leeds accent much at all... I don't mind softer southern accents. Some of deepest Lincolnshire sounds a bit strange... But all in all, you get good people and bad people everywhere.

It doesn't matter if we like the accent or not, it's stereotyping the people as a result of it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Small Rodent on November 12, 2021, 08:22:05 AM
Agreed, Ads and SE. Let's leave complaining about accents to Londoners, who like to think theirs is the only 'proper' way of speaking.

As much a ridiculous comment as the others about accents.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martyn ellis on November 12, 2021, 08:31:37 AM
It depends what you mean by a London accent. There is a greater diversity of accents down here than you can shake a stick at and no-one that I know cares one way of the other. How did we get into all this?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nev on November 12, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
It depends what you mean by a London accent. There is a greater diversity of accents down here than you can shake a stick at and no-one that I know cares one way of the other. How did we get into all this?

There's fuck all to talk about now until the first game really, he's here, the club will post pictures on the website etc etc but until his first team selection we might as well talk about his hairstyle or music taste. No, maybe not the latter.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
More on his managerial capabilities here on the Graundiad (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/12/what-aston-villa-will-expect-from-steven-gerrard-as-he-starts-repair-job).
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: aev on November 12, 2021, 08:50:50 AM
More on his managerial capabilities here on the Graundiad (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/12/what-aston-villa-will-expect-from-steven-gerrard-as-he-starts-repair-job).

I like reading Paul Doyle's musings.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 12, 2021, 08:51:02 AM
Some accents just grate a bit don't they? Regardless of the people the accent can be difficult. I don't like the scouse accent but know plenty of nice scousers. I don't like the Leeds accent much at all... I don't mind softer southern accents. Some of deepest Lincolnshire sounds a bit strange... But all in all, you get good people and bad people everywhere.

It doesn't matter if we like the accent or not, it's stereotyping the people as a result of it.
This.

Scouse accents are weird, for example the Beatles' accents (but loads of folk born in the 50s/early 60s) are noticeably different from a 'modern' Liverpool accent.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 09:03:41 AM
All accents have changed massively over the decades. Listen to any interview from fifty years ago, whether it be Liverpudlian, Brummie or Cockney and they’re all noticeably different.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: jwarry on November 12, 2021, 09:05:28 AM
More on his managerial capabilities here on the Graundiad (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/12/what-aston-villa-will-expect-from-steven-gerrard-as-he-starts-repair-job).

I like reading Paul Doyle's musings.

Whilst I don’t disagree with a lot of his comments, I do think he hasn’t really appreciated the awful luck Dean had with injuries, COVID and perhaps the biggest bugbear, the bloody endless international breaks, so never got the chance to play the team or system he probably wanted to.  That said, Dean must have known he was going to face at least COVID and internationals so should have had a plan to cover - which wasn’t playing Young in midfield!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 12, 2021, 09:12:45 AM
People ask me how long have I lived in Ireland and when I tell them thirty-odd years they nearly all say the same thing, 'you haven't lost your accent' and my response is always the same ' thankfully '
When telling people where I'm from, I used to rhyme off all the achievements by Brummies and honourary Brummies until it became boring.  It was always worth it to see and hear them say ' I never knew that '. I know I was basking in reflective glory but I'll take it.

I once read that when questioned about his Manc accent, Nobby Stiles said that he always thought that he sounded like a Brummie.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 09:14:15 AM
More on his managerial capabilities here on the Graundiad (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/12/what-aston-villa-will-expect-from-steven-gerrard-as-he-starts-repair-job).
I like reading Paul Doyle's musings.
Whilst I don’t disagree with a lot of his comments, I do think he hasn’t really appreciated the awful luck Dean had with injuries, COVID and perhaps the biggest bugbear, the bloody endless international breaks, so never got the chance to play the team or system he probably wanted to.  That said, Dean must have known he was going to face at least COVID and internationals so should have had a plan to cover - which wasn’t playing Young in midfield!
Good points, mate.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 09:20:55 AM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 09:22:12 AM
Miss the old accents. The Beatles accent is such a soother, and old school cockney is hilarious. Tempus fugit.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 09:32:08 AM
I could talk about accents all day. Probably one for Off Topic though.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: BC Villain on November 12, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
Thought he'd been a bit quiet....

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 12, 2021, 09:40:06 AM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793
People keep sending me stuff off social media and I think it's fair to say that Rangers fans haven't taken the news too well. It got me thinking how well we would take it and come to think of it I can't think of any manager of ours that we have had poached off us mid-season so I think they have a point.

How we would take it ?
Did you not see the fallout on here when Grealish left
I meant managers
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mike on November 12, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
I could talk about accents all day. Probably one for Off Topic though.

Obviously, if you have a stupid, thick character, they have to have a Brummie accent, or more accurately a pretend Brummy accent from some lazy actor who has heard previous comic impressions of our apparently ridiculous accents and just done them rather than actually listen to Brummies.

Exceptions like Cuckoo, where people have accents that I recognise are a rarity. Interesting how the entire Weasley family in Harry Potter  (except Ron) are played by Birmingham actors but they don't actually talk in their real accents.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 12, 2021, 09:56:47 AM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 12, 2021, 09:58:59 AM
Wish I had read the Telegraph article second which felt much more positive. 

Maybe reading the Independent article will cheer you up again?


Steven Gerrard the manager is ready for the step that has been a long time coming

The new Aston Villa head coach has been determined to carve a path in management divorced from his playing career and he has succeeded, writes Melissa Reddy

“This is mad. They have no idea what I’m like as a manager. I know that because I have no idea what I’m like as a manager!”

It is early 2016 and Steven Gerrard has been mulling over his retirement, but an official announcement is long months in the distance.

Still, his phone won’t stop pinging with approaches for managerial opportunities. This doesn’t flatter but instead rather spooks him.

Gerrard is still working towards completing his Uefa A license and wants any job he lands in the dugout to revolve around merit rather than his achievements as a player.

It concerns him that there are club chairman who want him to shape a team on the strength of his name, rather than any coaching credentials.

Gerrard eschews the fast-tracked route into management, turning down MK Dons and swatting away any other offers - including with the Football Association - to join Liverpool’s academy in a floating role at the start of 2017.

By April, he is announced as the new manager of the club’s Under-18s, with Neil Critchley promoted to leading the U23s.

Jurgen Klopp had advised Gerrard that he should only spend a short period shadowing coaches because the true education would come when he has ownership of a team himself.

“He was right!,” Gerrard would say in December 2017. “I’ve aged about two years in six months! Jurgen said to me, ‘I only want you to shadow for a short period of time because you need to have a couple of years of making mistakes, of picking your own team, you need to decide tactics, you need to find your philosophy, a way of playing, you need to deal with individual problems, you need to praise individuals, you need to try to help individuals, you need to feel disappointment and set backs and then after a couple of years, you’ll know if this gig is for you’.”

Fast forward and the man who smartly chose to crawl into management, who then ended Celtic’s monopoly on the Scottish title with Rangers, doing so while going unbeaten, is Aston Villa’s new head coach.

The gig is certainly for him. And not on account of Steven Gerrard the player, but Steven Gerrard the manager.

Anyone who concludes that Villa are offering him the keys to their £205m net spend castle because he is “high profile” rather than the fact he has already proven to be a good manager across key criteria hasn’t been paying attention.

They had to move so quickly because suitors for Gerrard have been in large supply. Newcastle United had wanted him and would have heavily pursued him if he showed any interest in fronting their new Saudi-funded era.

He still remains in their big picture for the long term. If Tottenham were unable to get Antonio Conte to stick and had to twist in a different direction, Gerrard was one of their leading options.

He is prime managerial real estate for multiple reasons, not least his reconstruction of Rangers into a force.

There is an overflow of respect for Gerrard getting into management the right way: doing his badges and making his mistakes while learning the trade in youth development.

This was a brave choice at a time when Frank Lampard, the contemporary he has most been compared with, walked straight into Derby and was then catapulted into the Chelsea hotseat.

There were several warnings that Gerrard could get left behind, but he was not interested in the prestige of a big job or playing into his standing in the game. The objective was to soak up information and quietly shape his career while priming for the next step.

Even during advanced talks with Liverpool over coaching at the academy, the former midfielder emphasised he wanted a meaningful role rather than a symbolic one.

And when ex-Rangers chairman Dave King proposed his first gig in a high-pressured environment, Gerrard only agreed after a series of around 15 meetings when he was sure that his managerial vision and the club’s blueprint married.

The Scottish side swerved experienced Premier League candidates and a former England manager to put their trust in him, which King and former sporting director Mark Allen insisted wasn’t a gamble due to Gerrard’s clarity of philosophy, how he communicated it and “magnetic leadership” that couldn’t be matched by the others.

He delivered a title and regular European football, those golden touches underpinned by a concrete identity and a belief that had long evaporated from Rangers.

The attacking, possession-based style of football, protected by a rapid press and solid defensive structure, extracted the best out of his squad and imbued them with confidence in their abilities.

Gerrard’s preferred formation has been 4-3-3, although he has also used a 4-2-3-1. He built a team that is pragmatic, versatile and streetwise: they are comfortable constructing play from the back or going long, they can outplay opponents and outfight them, they are dangerous from set-pieces but can also slice through you.

Gerrard intelligently rounded up an inner circle that minimises his blind spots and maximises his football ideals. Michael Beale is an experienced tactical brain and excellent on the training pitches, Tom Culshaw is adept at helping teams locate the edges, especially from deadball situations, and Gary McAllister is both a sounding board and the man tasked with adding variety to the team’s passing game.

Away from the on-pitch mechanisms, Gerrard has shown incredible authority and empathy in situations that no coaching manual can guide you through. As a youth coach, he went to bat for Rhian Brewster who suffered racial abuse against Spartak Moscow in 2017 and provided after care that the forward still references his gratitude for.

Gerrard was then fierce in his criticism of Slavia Prague, Sparta Prague and the lack of meaty punishments from Uefa after Glen Kamara endured disgusting discrimination on account of his skin colour.

His expert handling of the media has also been noted by recruitment departments, in particular the way he palmed off questions about taking over from Klopp through Liverpool’s turbulent spell last season, and links to Newcastle while Steve Bruce was still in situ recently, by respectfully talking up both managers.

Gerrard has spent four years developing and fully forming his identity in the dugout. There is a crystalline philosophy in play and a streamlined methodology in carrying it out.

The pressures at Villa, the expectations and the external noise will all be greater. He is ready for it and will relish it.

Steven Gerrard knows exactly what he’s like as a manager and we’re all about to properly find out.
This article has given me hope that maybe just maybe our lot might actually know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 12, 2021, 09:59:50 AM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…

I thought he was holding out for the Man U job,
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 10:01:02 AM
Agreed, Ads and SE. Let's leave complaining about accents to Londoners, who like to think theirs is the only 'proper' way of speaking.

So stereotyping northerners is a no no but we are ok to do it to Londoners? I’ve had the piss ripped out of my accent over the years by northern monkeys and southern shandies in equal measure

Yes. Yes it is okay.

(Point taken.)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
Agreed, Ads and SE. Let's leave complaining about accents to Londoners, who like to think theirs is the only 'proper' way of speaking.

As much a ridiculous comment as the others about accents.

It was a joke based on my experiences with my own cockney family members.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 10:20:10 AM
Thought he'd been a bit quiet....

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job
He must be deluded.  Where is he coaching at the moment?  Has he taken on any youth teams, lower division teams?  You have to start somewhere and that is very rarely manager of a massive PL team.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Des Little on November 12, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
Yorke is crackers.  Does he really think he'd have a hope in hell of getting the manager's job here?  He's like a broken record, I wish he'd shut up. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 12, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800
Someone on there called us "inbred racist shithouses" and even worse than Stoke. I expect the writer must of had some bad experiences but I don't think that is an accurate description of our lot at all. Unfortunately I have seen or heard few racists at the Villa but not many and I expect that goes for all fanbases. For instance my uncle who is a Nose said he's always arguing at the sty with racist bluenoses and it sounds like there's quite a lot of them.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 12, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…

I thought he was holding out for the Man U job,

Since 2009 he’s been putting himself forward. You’d think he’d get the hint by now. 

Burning your bridges with the Villa is irreparable.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 12, 2021, 10:42:10 AM
Thought he'd been a bit quiet....

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job
He must be deluded.  Where is he coaching at the moment?  Has he taken on any youth teams, lower division teams?  You have to start somewhere and that is very rarely manager of a massive PL team.
.every club has them even us. The worst in my experience is chelsea fans.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 12, 2021, 10:45:28 AM
For instance my uncle who is a Nose said he's always arguing at the sty with racist bluenoses and it sounds like there's quite a lot of them.

I met an elderly Nose recently (nice man) whose kids and grandkids are all Villa fans. When asked why he explained "I love them too much to let them be Blues fans". It wasn't so much the lack of success as the number of arguments and 'near fights' at games with fellow Noses who were being idiots.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dr Butler on November 12, 2021, 10:52:41 AM
For instance my uncle who is a Nose said he's always arguing at the sty with racist bluenoses and it sounds like there's quite a lot of them.

I met an elderly Nose recently (nice man) whose kids and grandkids are all Villa fans. When asked why he explained "I love them too much to let them be Blues fans". It wasn't so much the lack of success as the number of arguments and 'near fights' at games with fellow Noses who were being idiots.

idiot fans, that is the reason my Moms side dont go now....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
Long article in The Athletic about Gerrard's Rangers:

Steven Gerrard has swapped the marble staircase of Ibrox for the concrete one that leads into Villa Park. They are two stadiums whose brick facades possess an enduring character and whose designs were concocted by the same architect, Scotsman Archibald Leitch.

When it comes to talk of building things that last, though, they now have another common denominator in Gerrard, who arrives at Villa looking to make them into a force again, just as he did over his three and a half seasons in charge at Rangers.

He is a manager seeking one final destination in Liverpool but who is plotting a path by restoring similarly grand clubs — particularly, those giants who are sleeping.

Gerrard said that the initial remit was to bring back belief and pride to Rangers before even thinking about challenging for titles. Villa have that after two seasons back in the Premier League, as well as a nucleus of good players, so the job is not so much a rebuilding one as it is one of fine-tuning — although, with his new club 16th after a slow start to the season,  he will need to prove that he can do short-term too.

The similarity he does face in this new role, with Villa holding hopes of breaking into the upper echelons of the league, is to vanquish any inferiority complex that may be limiting the club.

He did that in Glasgow when, after two seasons of improvement, he flipped the Old Firm rivalry on its head. Celtic had enjoyed an aggregate score of 30-6 across 11 games in two seasons but by the time he left Rangers were unbeaten in 23 months against their rivals and appeared to have a hoodoo over them, winning even when the poorer side.

What is in store for the Villa players, though? What can they expect from Gerrard and his coaching staff when it comes to training, tactics, man-management, discipline, fitness and everything in between?

A clean slate, for starters. When Gerrard arrived at Rangers in 2018 he was handed a list that categorised the status of players from integral to disposable.

Andy Halliday was towards the latter description but he won the manager over and went on to be known as the “unofficial captain” as Gerrard valued retaining some Rangers-supporting influence in the squad.

The official captaincy was another bone of contention, as Lee Wallace had been stripped of the armband following a club dispute, but Gerrard did not jump into making any decisions. Instead, he observed his players during that first pre-season and identified that interim skipper James Tavernier had the potential to develop into a natural leader.

He admired that he hardly missed a game and Tavernier grew with the armband, leading him to post remarkable numbers for a right-back.

Gerrard leaves as a champion after winning Rangers’ first league title in 10 years, a huge achievement considering the mess he inherited. The stadium and training ground had become dilapidated through lack of investment and the squad needed a clearout following a 5-0 loss to Celtic in the league and a turbulent 4-0 loss at Hampden. The season ended with a 5-5 draw away to Hibernian, a fitting denouement for a club on the ropes and a feeble squad stumbling in the dark.

He arrived with a list of things he wanted to be upgraded. Those familiar with him say he brought “Premier League standards” in the way the infrastructure was upgraded, requests that were funded by the board.

The canteen was transformed. Mobile phones were not allowed in and the long line of tables joined together was changed to form groups spread around the room. Just about everything, from changing rooms to medical rooms to a cryotherapy unit and live cooking stations, were improved or reconfigured.

An analysis room was even built on to the first-team changing room to encourage an open-door policy for players to collaborate and additional player liaison officers were brought in to ensure their every need was met.

It was all done to create the best environment and support network players can ask for. He would sell all of this to new signings, especially the ones he travelled to meet like Connor Goldson and Joe Aribo. He wanted to take away any room for complaints and encourage a culture of self-ownership but, equally, what was expected in return was simply “no excuses”.

What Villa players can expect, perhaps not now but certainly in the winter break this January, is for their fitness to be tested. At Rangers, the routine was for a bleep test to be conducted on the first day of training to find each player’s maximum heart rate.

They would then be put through the daily five three-minute runs that were so gruelling one former player says they “feel sick just thinking about them”.

Every coach would be present during these to make sure there was maximum effort. If any player failed to hit certain heart-rate zones, Gerrard would walk into the middle of the pitch to “dig out” whoever was viewed not to have left everything of themselves.

The same culture was laid in the changing room in one of his first home pre-season games against Wigan Athletic. It led to a half-time rant that reminded the players this was Rangers and, for want of better words, those first 45 minutes were embarrassing. It was the moment the mentality change set in.

In Gerrard, Villa are getting an obsessive winner but also someone who manages differently to how his character as a player may suggest.

Gerrard was a force of nature as a player, capable of single-handedly dragging his teams through the mire. You would be forgiven for thinking that he may view management as an art form that he had all the brushes for.

But his determination to succeed in management meant that after retiring following a year at LA Galaxy, he turned down the opportunity to become MK Dons manager in November 2016 as he did not feel ready. Following advice from Jurgen Klopp, he decided to learn away from the cameras and the pressure of three points.

He wanted to make mistakes and learn who he is as a coach and man-manager before he entered the cut-throat world of management so he returned to Liverpool in February 2017 as a youth coach. It was not long before he was given the under-18s job.

Gerrard was soon finding that he craved the pressure he had internalised for 18 years as a player at Liverpool, a record 473 games of those as captain. Rangers’ chairman at the time, Dave King, had a soft spot for Liverpool and managed to collar Gerrard when he took his side to Ibrox for a youth game. It led to months of conversations when it became clear, in King’s words, that he was a gamechanger.

Gerrard then had the small task of assembling a backroom staff. Gary McAllister became an obvious foil given his Scottish roots and their time together at Liverpool as team-mates. Tom Culshaw, who was a highly-rated defender as a youth player alongside Gerrard, was a close friend who had been working with him at the academy and had carved out a niche as a defence and set-piece coach.

But Gerrard knew his limitations as a raw coach and required more experience in implementing a style of play. He would often say, “I know how I want it to look” but making that a reality is not always as easy.

That is when his network at Liverpool proved beneficial. In the 14 months he was at Melwood, he was privy to an endless number of discussions between coaches so had time to develop opinions and soak up information but he was still self-aware enough to look for the person that would blend with him.

Head of academy coaching Michael Beale had returned to Liverpool just after Gerrard, following six months in Brazil assisting legendary former goalkeeper Rogerio Ceni at Sao Paulo. Gerrard did not have a relationship with Beale beyond the usual pleasantries but he was the name people kept pointing him towards, including academy manager Alex Inglethorpe.

Beale, now 41, listened to the pitch and was assured that this was not a token gesture, he would have a large responsibility and input into the coaching. He enjoys a high level of autonomy on the training ground and, according to players, he is often credited with taking the lead role in most of the coaching.

It is why Beale, along with the others, now forms Team Gerrard. Culshaw does valued unit work with the defence and coordinates the corner routines, while the attentiveness of head of fitness Jordan Milsom when it comes to monitoring performance, which includes working with injury forecasting company Zone7, are all key to the environment Gerrard wants.

Gerrard told the Robbie Fowler Podcast that it would take him 20 years to be as good a coach as Beale on the grass. He regularly gets up from the bench to confer with Gerrard but he tends to start games sitting in the stand so he can have a better view of how the tactical plan is unfolding out before sending messages to the bench.

Halliday, now at Hearts, said he is probably the best coach he has ever worked under. “His attention to detail and defensive organisation is incredible and you’ve seen that in Europe,” he said.

“It’s the clarity and the role he gives every single player within the system. It’s refreshing as a player to go into a game and know exactly what’s expected of you. If you don’t follow through on that, then you know it’s your fault.”

Gerrard is the leader of the group and possesses an aura and command in his use of words that are rare. When it comes to man-management he has opened up before about what he felt worked for him in his career.

“On a basic human level I prefer a likeable manager, such as Gerard Houllier or Brendan Rodgers, but in terms of football I really don’t mind working with a colder man,” Gerrard wrote in his autobiography.

“An emotionless and distant relationship with the likes of Rafa Benitez and Fabio Capello can sometimes produce more success.”

Gerrard’s interpretation of the art fell somewhere between both ends of the spectrum. Playing under a legendary figure like Gerrard can be daunting. In his first few days, some of the more inexperienced players were said to be overawed by his presence at Ibrox. He attempted to defuse that dynamic by stressing that he and his team were entering their first senior gig together and had to prove themselves, too.

With those he trusted — it was the word always used and the one that new players had to prove they had earned before earning a place in the team — he would speak glowingly about them and would show affection.

Ryan Jack is one player he had a great relationship with as he was someone he could “see his younger self in” due to his leadership, tenacity and consistency. He was an all-action midfielder so where the Villa squad is concerned John McGinn may be relishing the opportunity to work with him.

What players say about Gerrard is that he shows an appreciation of what it was like to be in their shoes. The career he had gives him the advantage that, even if his demands can be intense, the players know that he doesn’t ask anything of them that he would not have been prepared to do himself.

Croatia left-back Borna Barisic was signed from Osijek after impressing against Rangers but, for over a season, he looked a shadow of that rampant figure. Gerrard kept chipping away at him, giving out some tough love at times and an arm around the shoulder at others, trying to make him realise the level of consistency and drive needed at Rangers to cope with the pressure. By the time they won the title, there were no doubts that he had hardened his mentality.

There is a caring side to Gerrard, shown by the fact he would look to include injured players in team events as much as possible. He took Jamie Murphy with the squad to play Rapid Vienna in December 2018 to keep his mind occupied while he recovered from a serious knee injury.

But there is a steely glare very much still there. For those who are not performing or have fallen out of his plans, he can be more distant and some players, such as Kyle Lafferty, even said he can go weeks without speaking to them individually. “I felt like I was on trial” was how the Nothern Ireland striker put it.

Lafferty was a signing who never convinced. Others, such as Greg Docherty, were told they could not do more in training — but were moved on without feeling like they had clarity on why they were not given a run of games.

Ianis Hagi told The Athletic this week that Gerrard’s team talks tended to mirror his father Gheorghe’s analysis of games as they had “the same mentality of winning”. That extended to his mood in the dressing room.

“There are games you play so well but the ball just doesn’t go in the net and the other team counter-attacks once and they score. He understands the situation but is calm and telling us the bad things we did,” Hagi said.

“There are other games where it’s unacceptable the way we played and he’s just going at you. It’s just about managing the dressing room and knowing when the team is sad and angry to come in and make it relaxed, talk nothing about the game and get them in a better mental point. But there are moments you just have to go for it and wake the team up and that’s when he just accelerates and goes at us.”

How can Villa expect their team to shape up from now?

Gerrard and his staff live by the “own the ball, own the pitch” philosophy that was made crystal clear to the squad in the first presentation to the squad as they went through the outfield roles one by one, explaining what would be required from each position.

Gerrard has predominantly used a 4-3-2-1 in his three years at Rangers. It has served them well in possession domestically as they play with two narrow No 10s rather than traditional wingers and get their width from the full-backs, which can be seen in the numbers generated from Barisic and Tavernier.

Defensively, that base was key to the solidity in Europe that saw them come through four rounds of Europa League qualifying two seasons in a row. It requires full buy-in from every player, as the key is they move as an entire unit while also ensuring to maintain an attacking threat.

Rather than the wingers tracking the opposition full-backs, they stay narrow and let the midfield three shuttle from side to side to press the ball. It allows Rangers to shut off the passes inside but it also means that they keep three players high up the park to counter-attack with.

The system reached its peak in the first half of the 2019-20 season when Rangers travelled to Midtjylland, Legia Warsaw, Porto, Feyenoord and Braga without losing. The two visits to Portugal were two performances that captured Gerrard’s side at their best in how they played through the press but more so in how they thwarted their threats. Arguably, though, the 2-0 win over Celtic in September 2020 defined the shape.

It took time for it to become second nature for the players but it was the result of repetitive work on the training ground, drills referred to as the “human tactics board”. This is when the blue fence would be erected around the first-team pitch to protect the work.

They set up 11 mannequins on a mini-pitch to replicate the opponent’s shape and the starting XI then went through a series of walkthroughs, shifting in relation to where the coaches played the ball. There is usually always at least one red mannequin involved, which represents the “pressing victim” they have identified.

Gerrard will oversee but intervenes at certain times to make a point or clarify something, which is how he tends to operate in training if the standard needs to be upped.

In the video analysis sessions, certain phrases will flash up on the screen with words in bold to visualise the key messages of what they did well in a previous example. They are all familiar to the players now and the process is now firmly in place, which is why first-team analyst Scott Mason, who Gerrard brought to Liverpool, has moved as part of his team.



Gerrard’s European record has been formidable in his 53 games, an astonishing total in just over three years.

“The staff drill into us that we’re as good as most teams in Europe,” Jack told The Athletic in 2019. “Why can we not go and outpass a Legia Warsaw or Young Boys?

“It’s maybe a Scottish thing but as soon as it comes out it’s like, ‘Rangers are not going to get out of that group’. People write you off straight away but it’s for us to say, ‘Do you know what? We can hold our own at this level and we’ve got a point to prove. Come to Ibrox and see if you can handle how we play. If you can, fair play’. But most times they can’t.

“It’s the total belief Gerrard has. He sees us every day and he thinks it’s going to take a special team to play us off the park.”
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 12, 2021, 11:08:48 AM
Thought he'd been a bit quiet....

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job
He must be deluded.  Where is he coaching at the moment?  Has he taken on any youth teams, lower division teams?  You have to start somewhere and that is very rarely manager of a massive PL team.
.every club has them even us. The worst in my experience is chelsea fans.
Said this before, but there's a section of the Chelsea support who really are vile individuals.  At some point in the early 90s, there was a group of - I think it was Chelsea supporters, one was wearing a Rangers top - who were giving the worst racist abuse I can remember at the Lichfield side of Aston station after the game.  It was in the old booking office, at the ticket lady (who happened to be black).  Remember a fight breaking out.  I was only young at the time - 7 or 8, something like that - so my memory of it isn't fantastic, but I do remember being really shocked by it.  Dunno if anyone on here might recall the incident? (unlikely, but you never know).

I've always attributed it to Chelsea supporters, on account of the Rangers shirt and a vague memory of it being them in a kit sponsored by commadore computers


In any case, my experience of them at the 2000 FA Cup final was one where they were singing anti-Irish and antisemitic songs before and after the game, so in any case they'd be classed as scum in my mind, even if that wasn't them on that occasion.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
We’ve got our fair share of arsehole fans, but I think I can say with no fear of contradiction that the city of Liverpool has a much bigger problem with racism than Birmingham does. One of their football clubs got to the 19 bloody 90s with the grand total of one black player.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DC1874 on November 12, 2021, 11:18:17 AM
Regarding Dwight Yorke, I really think this guy needs some counselling as I don't think his head is where it should be if he thinks he can be deemed suitable for a top premier league management job! In the meantime, I'm awaiting a response from Jeff Besos for my recent application for the role of CEO at Amazon Web Services, fingers crossed eh  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: amfy on November 12, 2021, 11:23:22 AM
I think that the thing about Steven Gerrard is that he is so totally ‘Mr Liverpool’. He’s gone off and managed Rangers for a couple of years but that’s been very much ‘off screen’ for us, and he is someone who is possibly more completely associated with another club than anyone I can ever remember appointing.

So the contrast, going from someone who was so totally ours, to someone who feels so much like someone else’s, is really stark.

I think that’s why it feels so wrong at the minute, but rationally, that is just a feeling, and it will pass, provided he does a decent job for us, & there isn’t really any reason to believe he won’t.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: aev on November 12, 2021, 11:23:48 AM
Regarding Dwight Yorke, I really think this guy needs some counselling as I don't think his head is where it should be if he thinks he can be deemed suitable for a top premier league management job! In the meantime, I'm awaiting a response from Jeff Besos for my recent application for the role of CEO at Amazon Web Services, fingers crossed eh  ;)

If you spell his name right you could be in the mix. winky thingy
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 11:27:47 AM
I think that the thing about Steven Gerrard is that he is so totally ‘Mr Liverpool’. He’s gone off and managed Rangers for a couple of years but that’s been very much ‘off screen’ for us, and he is someone who is possibly more completely associated with another club than anyone I can ever remember appointing.

So the contrast, going from someone who was so totally ours, to someone who feels so much like someone else’s, is really stark.

I think that’s why it feels so wrong at the minute, but rationally, that is just a feeling, and it will pass, provided he does a decent job for us, & there isn’t really any reason to believe he won’t.

I think Houllier was worse to be honest, and made even more so by the fact that he didn’t even remotely try to hide it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2021, 11:28:32 AM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800

I'm sat in an office with season ticket holders at Anfield and they like the Villa. Loads of my mates are the same.

RAWK is a bastion of plastics. Best ignored.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 12, 2021, 11:33:26 AM
Long article in The Athletic about Gerrard's Rangers:

Steven Gerrard has swapped the marble staircase of Ibrox for the concrete one that leads into Villa Park. They are two stadiums whose brick facades possess an enduring character and whose designs were concocted by the same architect, Scotsman Archibald Leitch.

When it comes to talk of building things that last, though, they now have another common denominator in Gerrard, who arrives at Villa looking to make them into a force again, just as he did over his three and a half seasons in charge at Rangers.

He is a manager seeking one final destination in Liverpool but who is plotting a path by restoring similarly grand clubs — particularly, those giants who are sleeping.

Gerrard said that the initial remit was to bring back belief and pride to Rangers before even thinking about challenging for titles. Villa have that after two seasons back in the Premier League, as well as a nucleus of good players, so the job is not so much a rebuilding one as it is one of fine-tuning — although, with his new club 16th after a slow start to the season,  he will need to prove that he can do short-term too.

The similarity he does face in this new role, with Villa holding hopes of breaking into the upper echelons of the league, is to vanquish any inferiority complex that may be limiting the club.

He did that in Glasgow when, after two seasons of improvement, he flipped the Old Firm rivalry on its head. Celtic had enjoyed an aggregate score of 30-6 across 11 games in two seasons but by the time he left Rangers were unbeaten in 23 months against their rivals and appeared to have a hoodoo over them, winning even when the poorer side.

What is in store for the Villa players, though? What can they expect from Gerrard and his coaching staff when it comes to training, tactics, man-management, discipline, fitness and everything in between?

A clean slate, for starters. When Gerrard arrived at Rangers in 2018 he was handed a list that categorised the status of players from integral to disposable.

Andy Halliday was towards the latter description but he won the manager over and went on to be known as the “unofficial captain” as Gerrard valued retaining some Rangers-supporting influence in the squad.

The official captaincy was another bone of contention, as Lee Wallace had been stripped of the armband following a club dispute, but Gerrard did not jump into making any decisions. Instead, he observed his players during that first pre-season and identified that interim skipper James Tavernier had the potential to develop into a natural leader.

He admired that he hardly missed a game and Tavernier grew with the armband, leading him to post remarkable numbers for a right-back.

Gerrard leaves as a champion after winning Rangers’ first league title in 10 years, a huge achievement considering the mess he inherited. The stadium and training ground had become dilapidated through lack of investment and the squad needed a clearout following a 5-0 loss to Celtic in the league and a turbulent 4-0 loss at Hampden. The season ended with a 5-5 draw away to Hibernian, a fitting denouement for a club on the ropes and a feeble squad stumbling in the dark.

He arrived with a list of things he wanted to be upgraded. Those familiar with him say he brought “Premier League standards” in the way the infrastructure was upgraded, requests that were funded by the board.

The canteen was transformed. Mobile phones were not allowed in and the long line of tables joined together was changed to form groups spread around the room. Just about everything, from changing rooms to medical rooms to a cryotherapy unit and live cooking stations, were improved or reconfigured.

An analysis room was even built on to the first-team changing room to encourage an open-door policy for players to collaborate and additional player liaison officers were brought in to ensure their every need was met.

It was all done to create the best environment and support network players can ask for. He would sell all of this to new signings, especially the ones he travelled to meet like Connor Goldson and Joe Aribo. He wanted to take away any room for complaints and encourage a culture of self-ownership but, equally, what was expected in return was simply “no excuses”.

What Villa players can expect, perhaps not now but certainly in the winter break this January, is for their fitness to be tested. At Rangers, the routine was for a bleep test to be conducted on the first day of training to find each player’s maximum heart rate.

They would then be put through the daily five three-minute runs that were so gruelling one former player says they “feel sick just thinking about them”.

Every coach would be present during these to make sure there was maximum effort. If any player failed to hit certain heart-rate zones, Gerrard would walk into the middle of the pitch to “dig out” whoever was viewed not to have left everything of themselves.

The same culture was laid in the changing room in one of his first home pre-season games against Wigan Athletic. It led to a half-time rant that reminded the players this was Rangers and, for want of better words, those first 45 minutes were embarrassing. It was the moment the mentality change set in.

In Gerrard, Villa are getting an obsessive winner but also someone who manages differently to how his character as a player may suggest.

Gerrard was a force of nature as a player, capable of single-handedly dragging his teams through the mire. You would be forgiven for thinking that he may view management as an art form that he had all the brushes for.

But his determination to succeed in management meant that after retiring following a year at LA Galaxy, he turned down the opportunity to become MK Dons manager in November 2016 as he did not feel ready. Following advice from Jurgen Klopp, he decided to learn away from the cameras and the pressure of three points.

He wanted to make mistakes and learn who he is as a coach and man-manager before he entered the cut-throat world of management so he returned to Liverpool in February 2017 as a youth coach. It was not long before he was given the under-18s job.

Gerrard was soon finding that he craved the pressure he had internalised for 18 years as a player at Liverpool, a record 473 games of those as captain. Rangers’ chairman at the time, Dave King, had a soft spot for Liverpool and managed to collar Gerrard when he took his side to Ibrox for a youth game. It led to months of conversations when it became clear, in King’s words, that he was a gamechanger.

Gerrard then had the small task of assembling a backroom staff. Gary McAllister became an obvious foil given his Scottish roots and their time together at Liverpool as team-mates. Tom Culshaw, who was a highly-rated defender as a youth player alongside Gerrard, was a close friend who had been working with him at the academy and had carved out a niche as a defence and set-piece coach.

But Gerrard knew his limitations as a raw coach and required more experience in implementing a style of play. He would often say, “I know how I want it to look” but making that a reality is not always as easy.

That is when his network at Liverpool proved beneficial. In the 14 months he was at Melwood, he was privy to an endless number of discussions between coaches so had time to develop opinions and soak up information but he was still self-aware enough to look for the person that would blend with him.

Head of academy coaching Michael Beale had returned to Liverpool just after Gerrard, following six months in Brazil assisting legendary former goalkeeper Rogerio Ceni at Sao Paulo. Gerrard did not have a relationship with Beale beyond the usual pleasantries but he was the name people kept pointing him towards, including academy manager Alex Inglethorpe.

Beale, now 41, listened to the pitch and was assured that this was not a token gesture, he would have a large responsibility and input into the coaching. He enjoys a high level of autonomy on the training ground and, according to players, he is often credited with taking the lead role in most of the coaching.

It is why Beale, along with the others, now forms Team Gerrard. Culshaw does valued unit work with the defence and coordinates the corner routines, while the attentiveness of head of fitness Jordan Milsom when it comes to monitoring performance, which includes working with injury forecasting company Zone7, are all key to the environment Gerrard wants.

Gerrard told the Robbie Fowler Podcast that it would take him 20 years to be as good a coach as Beale on the grass. He regularly gets up from the bench to confer with Gerrard but he tends to start games sitting in the stand so he can have a better view of how the tactical plan is unfolding out before sending messages to the bench.

Halliday, now at Hearts, said he is probably the best coach he has ever worked under. “His attention to detail and defensive organisation is incredible and you’ve seen that in Europe,” he said.

“It’s the clarity and the role he gives every single player within the system. It’s refreshing as a player to go into a game and know exactly what’s expected of you. If you don’t follow through on that, then you know it’s your fault.”

Gerrard is the leader of the group and possesses an aura and command in his use of words that are rare. When it comes to man-management he has opened up before about what he felt worked for him in his career.

“On a basic human level I prefer a likeable manager, such as Gerard Houllier or Brendan Rodgers, but in terms of football I really don’t mind working with a colder man,” Gerrard wrote in his autobiography.

“An emotionless and distant relationship with the likes of Rafa Benitez and Fabio Capello can sometimes produce more success.”

Gerrard’s interpretation of the art fell somewhere between both ends of the spectrum. Playing under a legendary figure like Gerrard can be daunting. In his first few days, some of the more inexperienced players were said to be overawed by his presence at Ibrox. He attempted to defuse that dynamic by stressing that he and his team were entering their first senior gig together and had to prove themselves, too.

With those he trusted — it was the word always used and the one that new players had to prove they had earned before earning a place in the team — he would speak glowingly about them and would show affection.

Ryan Jack is one player he had a great relationship with as he was someone he could “see his younger self in” due to his leadership, tenacity and consistency. He was an all-action midfielder so where the Villa squad is concerned John McGinn may be relishing the opportunity to work with him.

What players say about Gerrard is that he shows an appreciation of what it was like to be in their shoes. The career he had gives him the advantage that, even if his demands can be intense, the players know that he doesn’t ask anything of them that he would not have been prepared to do himself.

Croatia left-back Borna Barisic was signed from Osijek after impressing against Rangers but, for over a season, he looked a shadow of that rampant figure. Gerrard kept chipping away at him, giving out some tough love at times and an arm around the shoulder at others, trying to make him realise the level of consistency and drive needed at Rangers to cope with the pressure. By the time they won the title, there were no doubts that he had hardened his mentality.

There is a caring side to Gerrard, shown by the fact he would look to include injured players in team events as much as possible. He took Jamie Murphy with the squad to play Rapid Vienna in December 2018 to keep his mind occupied while he recovered from a serious knee injury.

But there is a steely glare very much still there. For those who are not performing or have fallen out of his plans, he can be more distant and some players, such as Kyle Lafferty, even said he can go weeks without speaking to them individually. “I felt like I was on trial” was how the Nothern Ireland striker put it.

Lafferty was a signing who never convinced. Others, such as Greg Docherty, were told they could not do more in training — but were moved on without feeling like they had clarity on why they were not given a run of games.

Ianis Hagi told The Athletic this week that Gerrard’s team talks tended to mirror his father Gheorghe’s analysis of games as they had “the same mentality of winning”. That extended to his mood in the dressing room.

“There are games you play so well but the ball just doesn’t go in the net and the other team counter-attacks once and they score. He understands the situation but is calm and telling us the bad things we did,” Hagi said.

“There are other games where it’s unacceptable the way we played and he’s just going at you. It’s just about managing the dressing room and knowing when the team is sad and angry to come in and make it relaxed, talk nothing about the game and get them in a better mental point. But there are moments you just have to go for it and wake the team up and that’s when he just accelerates and goes at us.”

How can Villa expect their team to shape up from now?

Gerrard and his staff live by the “own the ball, own the pitch” philosophy that was made crystal clear to the squad in the first presentation to the squad as they went through the outfield roles one by one, explaining what would be required from each position.

Gerrard has predominantly used a 4-3-2-1 in his three years at Rangers. It has served them well in possession domestically as they play with two narrow No 10s rather than traditional wingers and get their width from the full-backs, which can be seen in the numbers generated from Barisic and Tavernier.

Defensively, that base was key to the solidity in Europe that saw them come through four rounds of Europa League qualifying two seasons in a row. It requires full buy-in from every player, as the key is they move as an entire unit while also ensuring to maintain an attacking threat.

Rather than the wingers tracking the opposition full-backs, they stay narrow and let the midfield three shuttle from side to side to press the ball. It allows Rangers to shut off the passes inside but it also means that they keep three players high up the park to counter-attack with.

The system reached its peak in the first half of the 2019-20 season when Rangers travelled to Midtjylland, Legia Warsaw, Porto, Feyenoord and Braga without losing. The two visits to Portugal were two performances that captured Gerrard’s side at their best in how they played through the press but more so in how they thwarted their threats. Arguably, though, the 2-0 win over Celtic in September 2020 defined the shape.

It took time for it to become second nature for the players but it was the result of repetitive work on the training ground, drills referred to as the “human tactics board”. This is when the blue fence would be erected around the first-team pitch to protect the work.

They set up 11 mannequins on a mini-pitch to replicate the opponent’s shape and the starting XI then went through a series of walkthroughs, shifting in relation to where the coaches played the ball. There is usually always at least one red mannequin involved, which represents the “pressing victim” they have identified.

Gerrard will oversee but intervenes at certain times to make a point or clarify something, which is how he tends to operate in training if the standard needs to be upped.

In the video analysis sessions, certain phrases will flash up on the screen with words in bold to visualise the key messages of what they did well in a previous example. They are all familiar to the players now and the process is now firmly in place, which is why first-team analyst Scott Mason, who Gerrard brought to Liverpool, has moved as part of his team.



Gerrard’s European record has been formidable in his 53 games, an astonishing total in just over three years.

“The staff drill into us that we’re as good as most teams in Europe,” Jack told The Athletic in 2019. “Why can we not go and outpass a Legia Warsaw or Young Boys?

“It’s maybe a Scottish thing but as soon as it comes out it’s like, ‘Rangers are not going to get out of that group’. People write you off straight away but it’s for us to say, ‘Do you know what? We can hold our own at this level and we’ve got a point to prove. Come to Ibrox and see if you can handle how we play. If you can, fair play’. But most times they can’t.

“It’s the total belief Gerrard has. He sees us every day and he thinks it’s going to take a special team to play us off the park.”
The more I read about him the more pumped I am about his appointment.
I really hope the players and some of our supporters are in for a right shock.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 11:34:56 AM
I think that the thing about Steven Gerrard is that he is so totally ‘Mr Liverpool’. He’s gone off and managed Rangers for a couple of years but that’s been very much ‘off screen’ for us, and he is someone who is possibly more completely associated with another club than anyone I can ever remember appointing.

So the contrast, going from someone who was so totally ours, to someone who feels so much like someone else’s, is really stark.

I think that’s why it feels so wrong at the minute, but rationally, that is just a feeling, and it will pass, provided he does a decent job for us, & there isn’t really any reason to believe he won’t.

I think Houllier was worse to be honest, and made even more so by the fact that he didn’t even remotely try to hide it.

I worried Terry would be like it, but not having the top job took away that focus.

It's different with Gerrard, and I'm not sure we can compare with Houllier until he starts speaking and acting etc as our manager.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 12, 2021, 11:35:08 AM
I think that the thing about Steven Gerrard is that he is so totally ‘Mr Liverpool’. He’s gone off and managed Rangers for a couple of years but that’s been very much ‘off screen’ for us, and he is someone who is possibly more completely associated with another club than anyone I can ever remember appointing.

So the contrast, going from someone who was so totally ours, to someone who feels so much like someone else’s, is really stark.

I think that’s why it feels so wrong at the minute, but rationally, that is just a feeling, and it will pass, provided he does a decent job for us, & there isn’t really any reason to believe he won’t.

That’s a good summation amfy. We felt connected to Dean as he was one of us. We wanted him to succeed for the same reasons. That he didn’t to the extent required and wasn’t given more time (for some people) is what resonates especially as we see Gerrard as no better. Time will tell how it pans out. The wheels will come off or we’ll be demanding that Purslow pulls out all the stops to keep him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 12, 2021, 11:38:14 AM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800

I'm sat in an office with season ticket holders at Anfield and they like the Villa. Loads of my mates are the same.

RAWK is a bastion of plastics. Best ignored.
Just had a quick look - God there's some weird fucking outlooks on that site.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DC1874 on November 12, 2021, 11:39:30 AM
Damn it aev, I knew there was something holding me back  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800

I'm sat in an office with season ticket holders at Anfield and they like the Villa. Loads of my mates are the same.

RAWK is a bastion of plastics. Best ignored.
Just had a quick look - God there's some weird fucking outlooks on that site.

There used to be a great Twitter account called RAWK meltdown (there may still be) where they posted the best (worst) of the usually completely overblown nonsense from there.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 11:43:50 AM
I think that the thing about Steven Gerrard is that he is so totally ‘Mr Liverpool’. He’s gone off and managed Rangers for a couple of years but that’s been very much ‘off screen’ for us, and he is someone who is possibly more completely associated with another club than anyone I can ever remember appointing.

So the contrast, going from someone who was so totally ours, to someone who feels so much like someone else’s, is really stark.

I think that’s why it feels so wrong at the minute, but rationally, that is just a feeling, and it will pass, provided he does a decent job for us, & there isn’t really any reason to believe he won’t.

I think Houllier was worse to be honest, and made even more so by the fact that he didn’t even remotely try to hide it.

I worried Terry would be like it, but not having the top job took away that focus.

It's different with Gerrard, and I'm not sure we can compare with Houllier until he starts speaking and acting etc as our manager.

You’re right, but I’d be surprised if he was inclined to, or that Purslow would let him even if he was. Houllier had come out of semi-retirement and clearly didn’t give a monkeys. He couldn’t even be bothered to start the job on time.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2021, 11:45:38 AM
Steven Gerrard to Aston Villa: 'A gamble with risk on both sides' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59246755
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 12, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
I think any manager that has lasted more than a couple of seasons realises what a great club we are. It will be the same with Gerrard, he could have gone to Newcastle but showed no interest, he jumped at the chance to manage us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on November 12, 2021, 12:01:20 PM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800

I'm sat in an office with season ticket holders at Anfield and they like the Villa. Loads of my mates are the same.

RAWK is a bastion of plastics. Best ignored.

Wasnt RAWK the site where their 'international fans' tended to look down on the locals who actually went to the games rather than watching on TVs/Screens and posting about it? Which is novel.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DrGonzo on November 12, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Interesting article.  I'll not quote it though ;P.  It's impossible to know what his impact will be.  He didn't introduce any of the academy players at Rangers which doesn't bode well, however that may be a reflection of the level of talent at that club.  He should play a progressive, attractive style of football, which will suit the direction in which the squad was being developed.  I hope the mantra of always passing out from the back will be balanced with a more common sense approach.  Always building from the back allows the opposition to always press from the front and provides me with too many heart attack moments.

Good luck Ste VG!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 12, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
I get the impression he will (for playing the game reasons at least) be totally respectful to us and not ass kiss Liverpool whilst he is our Head Coach.  Just a feeling I get.  I think he is just going to be totally driven to succeed with us whereas Houllier thought we owed him a favour.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: BC Villain on November 12, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
I think that the thing about Steven Gerrard is that he is so totally ‘Mr Liverpool’. He’s gone off and managed Rangers for a couple of years but that’s been very much ‘off screen’ for us, and he is someone who is possibly more completely associated with another club than anyone I can ever remember appointing.

So the contrast, going from someone who was so totally ours, to someone who feels so much like someone else’s, is really stark.

I think that’s why it feels so wrong at the minute, but rationally, that is just a feeling, and it will pass, provided he does a decent job for us, & there isn’t really any reason to believe he won’t.

I think Houllier was worse to be honest, and made even more so by the fact that he didn’t even remotely try to hide it.

The fact that Houllier turned up for his first press conference wearing a red tie told you wear his loyalties lay
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 12, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
I know people think the signing of a defensive mid enforcer is what the team needs most
I think it will be central defence
We need central defenders who can control a football we have none at the moment

If he wants to play out from the back and start the ball moving through to midfield from there fast and efficient he’s going to need new players
Probably just about get away with Konsa for his defending abilities but he will need a couple of decent ballplayers
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 12, 2021, 12:14:30 PM
Sorry that post should have been in the warchest thread

Not sure if it can be moved over
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: AV82EC on November 12, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800

I'm sat in an office with season ticket holders at Anfield and they like the Villa. Loads of my mates are the same.

RAWK is a bastion of plastics. Best ignored.

Totally concur, one of my best mates is an LFC ST holder and he thinks they talk utter shite.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: London Villan on November 12, 2021, 12:18:46 PM
Thats the bigger transition isnt it. The CDM is the most urgent, as it has been for two and a bit years.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 12, 2021, 12:22:56 PM
Some accents just grate a bit don't they? Regardless of the people the accent can be difficult. I don't like the scouse accent but know plenty of nice scousers. I don't like the Leeds accent much at all... I don't mind softer southern accents. Some of deepest Lincolnshire sounds a bit strange... But all in all, you get good people and bad people everywhere.

It doesn't matter if we like the accent or not, it's stereotyping the people as a result of it.
This.

Scouse accents are weird, for example the Beatles' accents (but loads of folk born in the 50s/early 60s) are noticeably different from a 'modern' Liverpool accent.

Other than on Polythene Pam, where John Lennon goes quite heavy scouse!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 12, 2021, 12:26:44 PM
To get a great understanding of him, watch his High performance podcast with Jake Humphrey , it’s in a few parts….. brilliant
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 12, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
Steven Gerrard to Aston Villa: 'A gamble with risk on both sides' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59246755

yep, Think it's all gonna end in tears personally, but what do I know.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 12:32:32 PM
Rangers fans seem very, very pissed off.

What gives you that idea. https://twitter.com/Zafarcakes/status/1458792151446433793

https://twitter.com/footyaccums/status/1458791960391655429?s=21

As the first comment says, 'why have you got a lifesize cardboard cutout of Steven Gerrard'?

Strange fucking bunch. Maybe the lockdown depriving them of the opportunity to dress up like Homepride beauty pageant contestants and march through catholic areas singing inflammatory songs then claiming in court "a wasnay bein' baggoted, a was tarking aboot a wee gadgee a know who's called, eh, Fred Nian, aye. An'it's has blood I wannae be up to ma knees in, aye...Freeed fuckn, ah, Nian, ******!..." has driven them to assaulting Sports Direct displays.

Sorry, have been offline for 24 hrs so late to the party here, but I need to single out high praise for the line "Homepride beauty pageant contestants", outstanding.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 12:54:35 PM
I was checking a few other forums to see what their reaction was when I came across this.  I never knew they had such a hatred of us for some bizarre reason.  They do seem to take themselves a little bit seriously over there.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.1800

I'm sat in an office with season ticket holders at Anfield and they like the Villa. Loads of my mates are the same.

RAWK is a bastion of plastics. Best ignored.

It is indeed.

I worked up there over a year about 10 years back, and realised there's an important distinction between Liverpool (and Everton) fans from there, those like you and me that just love football and follow their local team, and those soulless whelks from Stevenage and Swindon that latched on for the reflected glory.

It's those 'fans' that seem to have the most vitriol for clubs such as ours, my theory is it's out of shame for not having the bollocks to follow one themselves, or because genuine supporters wouldn't give them the time of day in the real world.

And you just know that those with the most vitriol will be Brummie Reds, with a 'soft spot' for the rags.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: jwarry on November 12, 2021, 01:00:51 PM
Personally I’m looking forward to what he can do with Jacob and Carney, as I’m sure there is a potential Gerrard in both of them
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 12, 2021, 01:10:11 PM
I could talk about accents all day. Probably one for Off Topic though.

Obviously, if you have a stupid, thick character, they have to have a Brummie accent, or more accurately a pretend Brummy accent from some lazy actor who has heard previous comic impressions of our apparently ridiculous accents and just done them rather than actually listen to Brummies.

Exceptions like Cuckoo, where people have accents that I recognise are a rarity. Interesting how the entire Weasley family in Harry Potter  (except Ron) are played by Birmingham actors but they don't actually talk in their real accents.

Either George or Fred Weasley is a big Villa fan, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 12, 2021, 01:11:16 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)

Have you been away?! ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 12, 2021, 01:12:21 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)

You bastard, worrying people.😋 Welcome back.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2021, 01:13:03 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)
Where Dya go?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Stu on November 12, 2021, 01:14:07 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)

Hope all is well mate.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2021, 01:15:06 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?

eamonn?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Stu on November 12, 2021, 01:17:01 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?

eamonn?

:D

Eamonn, how does it feel to be back?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2021, 01:18:13 PM
That Athletic article does fill me with some confidence that this appointment has more to it than a connection between Purslow and Gerrard. On paper he could be just what we need to move forward.

Welcome back eamonn.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: usav on November 12, 2021, 01:21:40 PM
Is there going to be an official press conference or interview with AVTV?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 01:24:31 PM
Is there going to be an official press conference or interview with AVTV?

Tuesday apparently
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 01:27:37 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)

I was worried that you were locked in a car somewhere with exhaust in your hair!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 12, 2021, 01:27:46 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?

eamonn?

:D

Eamonn, how does it feel to be back?

Like my favourite comfort food is close at hand.

Although at least it's been a productive couple of  months working!


My IP address had been marked as a wrong 'un for some reason.

I don't wish to slag Villatalk (after all, they have exclusive rights to our Mazrim) but I find the layout really difficult to get used to.

Good to be back.

*Press release ends here*
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 01:29:05 PM
Hi, I'm back  :)

I was worried that you were locked in a car somewhere with exhaust in your hair!

I thought his pop career had taken off and he wearing linen suits on a yacht in the Caribbean.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 12, 2021, 01:42:57 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 01:51:36 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?

eamonn?

:D

Eamonn, how does it feel to be back?

Like my favourite comfort food is close at hand.

Although at least it's been a productive couple of  months working!


My IP address had been marked as a wrong 'un for some reason.

I don't wish to slag Villatalk (after all, they have exclusive rights to our Mazrim) but I find the layout really difficult to get used to.

Good to be back.

*Press release ends here*

I had that a few weeks back. That's what they told me anyway.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 12, 2021, 02:00:48 PM
My IP address had been marked as a wrong 'un for some reason.
If it's any solice, if I try to read H&V on my mobile, using my normal web browser (Vivaldi), it tells me I'm a wrong 'un and have a lifetime ban.  However, logging in via literally any other device, or on a different web browser on my phone (Chrome) and it's OK with it and I'm no longer a bad egg :S
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
I've had it since yesterday, I'm only on here now because I'm on my work VPN.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:02:10 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?

eamonn?

:D

Eamonn, how does it feel to be back?

Like my favourite comfort food is close at hand.

Although at least it's been a productive couple of  months working!


My IP address had been marked as a wrong 'un for some reason.

I don't wish to slag Villatalk (after all, they have exclusive rights to our Mazrim) but I find the layout really difficult to get used to.

Good to be back.

*Press release ends here*

I had that a few weeks back. That's what they told me anyway.
I think the IP address gets flagged when you clock up more than 6 hours a day on 'Redtube' 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: langleylions on November 12, 2021, 02:02:20 PM
All our neighbours have come up with the best solution ever for our poor form .......apparently is cuz of our shit support and the toxic atmosphere inside V P 🤣🤣 . Dont they make you chuckle ,, ffs them talking about support 🙄🙄.i dont get it , end ov last season when there was no crowd we was shit and the only time there was a crowd we beat the cockney rent boys ...fuckin jokers
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 02:07:16 PM
I don't mind when it happens to you reprobates, but if it happens to me I'll put my foot through the screen of my laptop and I'll be sending the repair bill to Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, 10 Downing Street.

Honestly, this country.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:12:25 PM
I don't mind when it happens to you reprobates, but if it happens to me I'll put my foot through the screen of my laptop and I'll be sending the repair bill to Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, 10 Downing Street.

Honestly, this country.
Switch to a VPN after 5 hrs 59mins and you should be fine ;-)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 12, 2021, 02:43:18 PM
I don’t even know what you’re all on about
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 12, 2021, 02:59:44 PM
You're being watched John, the government are watching everything you do...

VPNs just changes your IP address, which everyone using the Internet has a unique one connected to the device they are using (something like that anyway). Change that and it shouldn't recognise you as a wrong'un I imagine. I use one but nothing really to do with security, mainly to get round stuff that is locked to certain countries.

Oh and porn.


Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 03:13:14 PM
It was just a joke John, probably not as funny as I thought.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 03:25:53 PM
Has he done a press conference yet? Is there one due if not?

eamonn?

 :D

Eamonn, how does it feel to be back?

Like my favourite comfort food is close at hand.

Although at least it's been a productive couple of  months working!


My IP address had been marked as a wrong 'un for some reason.

I don't wish to slag Villatalk (after all, they have exclusive rights to our Mazrim) but I find the layout really difficult to get used to.

Good to be back.

*Press release ends here*


I still pop in to VT once in a blue moon, I can’t be doing with two things though. One, the fact that it links directly to Tweets, so in some topics every other post is a tweet rather than the poster’s own thoughts. The other is the fact that mods still post in red telling people to stay on topic, if they so much as write a sentence that doesn’t contain the topic’s keyword in it. One of the joys of this place is the weird and varied tangents that threads veer off to.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:32:29 PM
I had to have a browse on there yesterday due to problems accessing this, it's ok but feels a bit like going to the Dome for a night out instead of havin' it at S.L.A.G at the Steering Wheel.

Still can't get on just via my router on any device, only on my work VPN. Even when I knock the wifi off my phone and go out on 4g it's routing me to the Sherlock St page, it's weird how this periodically happens.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 03:42:28 PM
You're being watched John, the government are watching everything you do...

VPNs just changes your IP address, which everyone using the Internet has a unique one connected to the device they are using (something like that anyway). Change that and it shouldn't recognise you as a wrong'un I imagine. I use one but nothing really to do with security, mainly to get round stuff that is locked to certain countries.

Oh and porn.




Really made me chuckle, I read that and was thinking, no you use it for porn.... Then I read the last bit.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 12, 2021, 04:33:35 PM
Looks like we’ve accepted Steven Gerrard then 🧐😂
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2021, 04:37:06 PM
Looks like we’ve accepted Steven Gerrard then 🧐😂
He's one of our own. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2021, 04:40:56 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2021, 04:48:16 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: London Villan on November 12, 2021, 04:50:10 PM
Same here, can’t get on with the home wifi but can on 4g. Weird.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 12, 2021, 04:51:31 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: clash city rocker on November 12, 2021, 05:18:14 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job

Yorke applying for the managers job is like johnson applying for the job of prime minister....fuckin madness...oh hang on a sec !
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 05:28:46 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 05:30:12 PM
Low I’d hope.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: usav on November 12, 2021, 05:32:09 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?

I think some are worrying about all this too much.   My guess is he will politely answer one or two questions and then tell them to shut up about Liverpool.  He won't touch the sign and I couldn't care less what he wears.....but I bet he will wear a claret and blue tie.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 05:32:10 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: clash city rocker on November 12, 2021, 05:32:50 PM
Here's a thought. A brilliant   2  1/2 years at villa and he then walks into the england job.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 12, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.

I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 05:36:26 PM
Here's a thought. A brilliant   2  1/2 years at villa and he then walks into the england job.

That would be good.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 05:36:49 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.

I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!

This is where I'm at too.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 05:51:27 PM
Looks like we’ve accepted Steven Gerrard then 🧐😂

Well, it's that rare occurrence where the more you learn about something the more optimistic you get. Granted, I was 100% sceptical about Gerrard initially so the only way was up, but still, I've liked a lot of what I've read in the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 05:53:02 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.

I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!
I know, but if he does is it really worth getting worked up over?  I'm more interested in how he does with the team than obsessively watching him in case he pays too much attention to his ex.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.
I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!
I know, but if he does is it really worth getting worked up over?  I'm more interested in how he does with the team than obsessively watching him in case he pays too much attention to his ex.
I'm sure Mr G will want to beat ''The Mighty Reds YNWA', and well. He'll want to impress his current employers and whoever eventually employs him next.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2021, 05:59:44 PM
He spent most of his life at that club, and he only ever played for them. I don't include LA Galaxy as relevant. It's a triviality we need to get past. So what if he gets a little emotional managing for the first time in a place that means a lot to him. If Olof Mellberg came back as manager of an opponent, or had God gone into management, I'd expect they'd feel the same. Is he doing the job for us is all that matters.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 12, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
Left a sporting institution mid-season to join us and I think it's going to be a super appointment. So many of the great managers have a touch of aloofness about them and I think he has that and it's no bad thing in my book. I was genuinely shocked at how many flippant attitudes there were to this appointment. I think its an honour that the bloke sees us a good move from a fantastic club like Glasgow Rangers (we won't mention the riot lads) and I'm now officially fuckin' buzzin' about it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 06:02:25 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job

I wonder how he thinks it works.

You play for a club, leave in acrimonious circumstances, kiss your new club's badge and insult your old club in the media. In the intervening years, the club changes ownership twice* and permanent manager 12(?) times, while you remain in the public eye purely for fathering a child with a topless model and (allegedly) abandoning them both as soon as you find out he has special needs.

Then a mere 23 years after you left, you leave a voicemail for the CEO and expect to be appointed despite being about as qualified for the job as Ken Barlow?

*Edit: three times, sorry. I always forget Xia (thankfully).
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 06:02:47 PM
I do often think that if Houllier had beaten Liverpool that day we wouldn't remember that gesture so much.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 12, 2021, 06:14:27 PM
It seems that sanity is starting to prevail on here in that supporters are starting to view his appointment in a rational rather than purely emotional  way.
It's an interesting and potentially exciting move by the club and I am certainly looking forward to seeing how far he can take us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2021, 06:22:51 PM
It seems that sanity is starting to prevail on here in that supporters are starting to view his appointment in a rational rather than purely emotional  way.
It's an interesting and potentially exciting move by the club and I am certainly looking forward to seeing how far he can take us.

I'm still not happy about it, but he's here now, so deserves our support.

Nothing particularly to do with reason conquering emotion for me, more that I don't want to end up complaining non-stop about everything like Flin5tone (no offence Flin5tone).
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 12, 2021, 06:28:11 PM
No. Those of us who wanted to see the best qualified person with the best, most relevant experience over the long term have been engulfed by the media circus.  Steven Gerrard is no more the best candidate for the management of Aston Villa than he was two days ago. Independent rational judgement has been blown away by the media frenzy. Led by Christian Purslow.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 12, 2021, 06:29:46 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.
I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!
I know, but if he does is it really worth getting worked up over?  I'm more interested in how he does with the team than obsessively watching him in case he pays too much attention to his ex.
I'm sure Mr G will want to beat ''The Mighty Reds YNWA', and well. He'll want to impress his current employers and whoever eventually employs him next.

I think so too.

The little I've heard from him suggests he's so single minded that he'd have no issue thrashing Liverpool in their own back yard and putting Klopp out of a job if he could.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: danno on November 12, 2021, 06:32:25 PM
I didn't want him and think it's a strange choice. But a bit like MON we will get a lot of coverage and be talked up by him and his old club mates. Another positive is that the board will throw a shedload of cash at the squad to ensure this works. So even if it does go wrong a bit like with Lampard and Solskjaer at Chelsea and Man Utd we will have a stronger squad regardless.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 12, 2021, 06:36:21 PM
Don't hold your breath.  Let's see what the next couple of seasons bring.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: danno on November 12, 2021, 06:40:53 PM
Don't hold your breath.  Let's see what the next couple of seasons bring.

Im negative enough already Brian! Let me cling to this!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: CT Villan on November 12, 2021, 06:56:22 PM
After all I have read of late I am a little less cautiously unoptimistic.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 12, 2021, 07:14:46 PM
There's not a lot wrong with Villa for Gerrard to puzzle over. No wonder he didn't take much persuading!
Stop the bleeding results wise, by giving Samson a few games see if he's any good. Work out who to bench out of Watkins and Ings,
I don't think the squad is good enough for top 10 though, think that parting shot was a bit of sour grapes/mind games from deano. Are the board giving Steven a free hit this season or is europe still the target? They would have to bring in some real quality in Jan. Will they rewrite history in the summer and say he came in and say his first objective was ti save us from relegation? The first press conference should be interesting, shame we have to wait for next week :(
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 12, 2021, 07:20:48 PM
I didn't want him and think it's a strange choice. But a bit like MON we will get a lot of coverage and be talked up by him and his old club mates. Another positive is that the board will throw a shedload of cash at the squad to ensure this works. So even if it does go wrong a bit like with Lampard and Solskjaer at Chelsea and Man Utd we will have a stronger squad regardless.

An article on the Birmingham Live page ( yes, I know , I know ) says we have about £5 million before hitting FFP issues.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-january-transfers-gerrard-22151102?fbclid=IwAR2oYZLJFmU-kUTsbE7E_n4BgS_Uq7BY3KabFkJHOxhuPs2u4fr6BIw_xGU
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: danno on November 12, 2021, 07:31:04 PM
I didn't want him and think it's a strange choice. But a bit like MON we will get a lot of coverage and be talked up by him and his old club mates. Another positive is that the board will throw a shedload of cash at the squad to ensure this works. So even if it does go wrong a bit like with Lampard and Solskjaer at Chelsea and Man Utd we will have a stronger squad regardless.

An article on the Birmingham Live page ( yes, I know , I know ) says we have about £5 million before hitting FFP issues.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-january-transfers-gerrard-22151102?fbclid=IwAR2oYZLJFmU-kUTsbE7E_n4BgS_Uq7BY3KabFkJHOxhuPs2u4fr6BIw_xGU

I did mean over the course of his time in charge. Although I did think after selling that left winger... Joe something?  We'd have more than five million in  Jan. Maybe we'll get loans with commitments to buy. There are always workarounds.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
I didn't want him and think it's a strange choice. But a bit like MON we will get a lot of coverage and be talked up by him and his old club mates. Another positive is that the board will throw a shedload of cash at the squad to ensure this works. So even if it does go wrong a bit like with Lampard and Solskjaer at Chelsea and Man Utd we will have a stronger squad regardless.

An article on the Birmingham Live page ( yes, I know , I know ) says we have about £5 million before hitting FFP issues.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-january-transfers-gerrard-22151102?fbclid=IwAR2oYZLJFmU-kUTsbE7E_n4BgS_Uq7BY3KabFkJHOxhuPs2u4fr6BIw_xGU
garbage
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2021, 07:34:02 PM
No. Those of us who wanted to see the best qualified person with the best, most relevant experience over the long term have been engulfed by the media circus.  Steven Gerrard is no more the best candidate for the management of Aston Villa than he was two days ago. Independent rational judgement has been blown away by the media frenzy. Led by Christian Purslow.

I didn’t know Purslow had so much power at the Telegraph and Athletic and with some of the players that have worked under him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 12, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
I didn't want him and think it's a strange choice. But a bit like MON we will get a lot of coverage and be talked up by him and his old club mates. Another positive is that the board will throw a shedload of cash at the squad to ensure this works. So even if it does go wrong a bit like with Lampard and Solskjaer at Chelsea and Man Utd we will have a stronger squad regardless.

An article on the Birmingham Live page ( yes, I know , I know ) says we have about £5 million before hitting FFP issues.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-january-transfers-gerrard-22151102?fbclid=IwAR2oYZLJFmU-kUTsbE7E_n4BgS_Uq7BY3KabFkJHOxhuPs2u4fr6BIw_xGU


Well, according to another article I've read in the last day or two, that figure's out by about £200m.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dave P on November 12, 2021, 07:35:11 PM
There will obviously be a load of questions about Liverpool in his press conference, I'm hoping he swats them away completely. I hope he wears a claret and blue tie. When we go there, I hope he doesn't touch the 'This is Anfield' sign, but what are the chances?
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.
I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!
I know, but if he does is it really worth getting worked up over?  I'm more interested in how he does with the team than obsessively watching him in case he pays too much attention to his ex.
I'm sure Mr G will want to beat ''The Mighty Reds YNWA', and well. He'll want to impress his current employers and whoever eventually employs him next.

Imagine if we win 1-0 and he goes mental on the sideline.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 12, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job

I wonder how he thinks it works.

You play for a club, leave in acrimonious circumstances, kiss your new club's badge and insult your old club in the media. In the intervening years, the club changes ownership twice* and permanent manager 12(?) times, while you remain in the public eye purely for fathering a child with a topless model and (allegedly) abandoning them both as soon as you find out he has special needs.

Then a mere 23 years after you left, you leave a voicemail for the CEO and expect to be appointed despite being about as qualified for the job as Ken Barlow?

*Edit: three times, sorry. I always forget Xia (thankfully).

It’s certainly odd behaviour, he doesn’t seem in great mental health.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 12, 2021, 07:44:32 PM
No. Those of us who wanted to see the best qualified person with the best, most relevant experience over the long term have been engulfed by the media circus.  Steven Gerrard is no more the best candidate for the management of Aston Villa than he was two days ago. Independent rational judgement has been blown away by the media frenzy. Led by Christian Purslow.

I didn’t know Purslow had so much power at the Telegraph and Athletic and with some of the players that have worked under him.

He can orchestrate  complete media frenzy apparently.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 12, 2021, 07:47:12 PM
Strange fucking bunch. Maybe the lockdown depriving them of the opportunity to dress up like Homepride beauty pageant contestants and march through catholic areas singing inflammatory songs then claiming in court "a wasnay bein' baggoted, a was tarking aboot a wee gadgee a know who's called, eh, Fred Nian, aye. An'it's has blood I wannae be up to ma knees in, aye...Freeed fuckn, ah, Nian, ******!..." has driven them to assaulting Sports Direct displays.

Sorry, have been offline for 24 hrs so late to the party here, but I need to single out high praise for the line "Homepride beauty pageant contestants", outstanding.

Missed it last night but worth highlighting, excellent stuff Rory.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 12, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job

I wonder how he thinks it works.

You play for a club, leave in acrimonious circumstances, kiss your new club's badge and insult your old club in the media. In the intervening years, the club changes ownership twice* and permanent manager 12(?) times, while you remain in the public eye purely for fathering a child with a topless model and (allegedly) abandoning them both as soon as you find out he has special needs.

Then a mere 23 years after you left, you leave a voicemail for the CEO and expect to be appointed despite being about as qualified for the job as Ken Barlow?

*Edit: three times, sorry. I always forget Xia (thankfully).

It’s certainly odd behaviour, he doesn’t seem in great mental health.



Has he managed anyone
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: KevinGage on November 12, 2021, 08:19:51 PM
Regarding Dwight Yorke, I really think this guy needs some counselling as I don't think his head is where it should be if he thinks he can be deemed suitable for a top premier league management job! In the meantime, I'm awaiting a response from Jeff Besos for my recent application for the role of CEO at Amazon Web Services, fingers crossed eh  ;)

Yorke is clearly delusional.

He's never expressed any desire to start lower (as per Lampard/ Terry etc) or in a different country (Gerrard).

That said, with the size of most coaching set ups now, I think it should be on clubs in the top two divisions to ensure at least one coaching member is from a BAME background.

It might be viewed as tokenism initially, but so what.

I was struck by what Raheem Sterling said last year; that at all the clubs he's been at, there has hardly been any black coaches.   If you don't see it, you can't be it.

The hope is that, in time, more stay in the game and ultimately then make it as managers or head coaches.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: manic-road on November 12, 2021, 08:54:12 PM
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job

I wonder how he thinks it works.

You play for a club, leave in acrimonious circumstances, kiss your new club's badge and insult your old club in the media. In the intervening years, the club changes ownership twice* and permanent manager 12(?) times, while you remain in the public eye purely for fathering a child with a topless model and (allegedly) abandoning them both as soon as you find out he has special needs.

Then a mere 23 years after you left, you leave a voicemail for the CEO and expect to be appointed despite being about as qualified for the job as Ken Barlow?

*Edit: three times, sorry. I always forget Xia (thankfully).

It’s certainly odd behaviour, he doesn’t seem in great mental health.



Has he managed anyone
Dwight Yorke’s not happy that he was cruelly overlooked again…
he can fuck off

As inevitable as a nose having a SOTV ring tone on their phone, Dwight Yorke feels entitlement to be considered for a PL manager position without doing any of the work to qualify for it.

And he also seems to be going down the route of suggesting he's overlooked for reasons other than the fact he's not actually a football manager!!!!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12466619/yorke-i-didnt-get-a-response-over-villa-job

I wonder how he thinks it works.

You play for a club, leave in acrimonious circumstances, kiss your new club's badge and insult your old club in the media. In the intervening years, the club changes ownership twice* and permanent manager 12(?) times, while you remain in the public eye purely for fathering a child with a topless model and (allegedly) abandoning them both as soon as you find out he has special needs.

Then a mere 23 years after you left, you leave a voicemail for the CEO and expect to be appointed despite being about as qualified for the job as Ken Barlow?

*Edit: three times, sorry. I always forget Xia (thankfully).

It’s certainly odd behaviour, he doesn’t seem in great mental health.



Has he managed anyone

Dwight Yorke can't look after his son never mind a football team.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 12, 2021, 09:46:13 PM
Weird, I saw Dwight being interviewed on a "Kelly & Wrighty" football show on youtube yesterday (it's amazing how much "content" there is based on the PL for a pool of 20-30 former footballers to earn almost a full-time living from!).
He was on the same sofa and did mention that he knew/had spoke to Wes Edens in recent times about his plans for the club but he didn't mention anything about being shunned for an interview as manager.

Has he even done his coaching badges? I can't believe he'd be naive enough to think he would be in with a shout based solely on his 9 years as a great player for us. Felt a bit sorry for him, watching this clip, though.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 12, 2021, 09:53:43 PM
Sol Campbell was Trinidad and Tobago assistant a few years back and got jobs in England on back of it so nothing stopping Yorkie doing that as stepping stone.

Does seem odd he keeps declaring an interest in managing us when there's no reason whatsoever to give him the job given he's never even held a coaching position at any club AFAIK.

Actually think he was player coach at Sunderland under Keane but that was about 15 years ago now.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 12, 2021, 09:57:18 PM
I can live with him touching the sign so long as he is careful and respectful with his interviews.

I don't want him touching the sign.  He's there to beat them - he's not on a sodding pilgrimage!

With a daughter called Lourdes I wouldn't rule the latter out but I couldn't care less if he touches the sign just as I don't care if Mings always put on his left sock first as long as they both perform when it matters.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 12:26:57 AM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2021, 12:56:24 AM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.

We sing it to every other manager, so why not. As long as he gives the Holte a wave on demand, that's the key thing!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 09:11:44 AM
I didn't want him and think it's a strange choice. But a bit like MON we will get a lot of coverage and be talked up by him and his old club mates. Another positive is that the board will throw a shedload of cash at the squad to ensure this works. So even if it does go wrong a bit like with Lampard and Solskjaer at Chelsea and Man Utd we will have a stronger squad regardless.

An article on the Birmingham Live page ( yes, I know , I know ) says we have about £5 million before hitting FFP issues.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-january-transfers-gerrard-22151102?fbclid=IwAR2oYZLJFmU-kUTsbE7E_n4BgS_Uq7BY3KabFkJHOxhuPs2u4fr6BIw_xGU

Well to be fair, probably allows us to buy any midfielder in the SPL and still have change  for Defoe.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 09:15:01 AM
could probably buy the entire SPFL for £5
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: steamer on November 13, 2021, 10:33:28 AM
Steevie V
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Holte132 on November 13, 2021, 10:35:25 AM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.

We sing it to every other manager, so why not. As long as he gives the Holte a wave on demand, that's the key thing!

We didn't sing it for TSM 1
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: amfy on November 13, 2021, 10:46:25 AM
Interesting with Dwight Yorke that he never seems to throw his hat in the ring when a vacancy at Man United comes up.

Along with his fairly obvious lack of experience, this obvious sign of how he views our ‘levels’ should rule him out.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
Backroom staff all now confirmed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The_ads on November 13, 2021, 11:10:54 AM
MacPhee and Danks staying is a strange one given Gerrard has brought his entire team with him. Culshaw was their set pieces man so not sure what role MacPhee fulfills, going to need a bigger dug out at this rate. Delighted Cutler is staying
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: andyh on November 13, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
So you don’t have to go hunting for it.

Aston Villa are pleased to welcome Gary McAllister (Assistant Head Coach), Michael Beale (Assistant Head Coach), Tom Culshaw (Technical Coach), Scott Mason (Lead Analyst) and Jordan Milsom (Head of Fitness and Conditioning) to the club as part of Steven Gerrard’s backroom staff.

Austin MacPhee, Aaron Danks and Neil Cutler will also remain at the club.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 13, 2021, 11:25:14 AM
Think we are working on a new one to one policy

Every player has his own personal coach

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 11:27:31 AM
So you don’t have to go hunting for it.

Aston Villa are pleased to welcome Gary McAllister (Assistant Head Coach), Michael Beale (Assistant Head Coach), Tom Culshaw (Technical Coach), Scott Mason (Lead Analyst) and Jordan Milsom (Head of Fitness and Conditioning) to the club as part of Steven Gerrard’s backroom staff.

Austin MacPhee, Aaron Danks and Neil Cutler will also remain at the club.

Glad Cutler is staying but interesting that all his own backroom team have titles announced but MacPhee and Danks haven’t ….relegated to reserves etc ? Maybe leaving SG to decide on their roles ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
that's a lot of coaches
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 13, 2021, 11:32:16 AM
Interesting to see how he handles the Watkins-Ings duo.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 13, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
Culshaw is his set piece man. Liverpool had a specific throw in coach, so it's the way to go it seems.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2021, 11:46:40 AM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 11:54:53 AM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.

Sounds far enough. After all, we've got a clause to sack him in 2022 if he's crap.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2021, 11:56:10 AM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.

Got a link to this clause?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2021, 12:07:33 PM
Culshaw is his set piece man. Liverpool had a specific throw in coach, so it's the way to go it seems.

Theirs seems to have evolved beyond 'chuck it long. Every time.'
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 13, 2021, 12:13:24 PM
To one of our men if you can.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clive W on November 13, 2021, 12:14:03 PM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.

Got a link to this clause?

I understand we’ve been told it’s a two and a half year contract so it would automatically lapse, presumably in May 2024, unless both sides agree to renew it
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 12:21:30 PM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.

Got a link to this clause?

I understand we’ve been told it’s a two and a half year contract so it would automatically lapse, presumably in May 2024, unless both sides agree to renew it

I thought it’s been widely reported as a 3 and a half year contract ?
Aston Villa have confirmed the staff who will be supporting new head coach Steven Gerrard. Villa appointed Gerrard as Dean Smith's successor on Thursday on a three-and-a-half-year deal.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2021, 12:26:11 PM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.

We sing it to every other manager, so why not. As long as he gives the Holte a wave on demand, that's the key thing!

We didn't sing it for TSM 1

Never? I only went to three games that season because I was unemployed, so I don't really remember.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 13, 2021, 12:27:44 PM
I went to the Home games and cannot remember it being sung
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2021, 12:30:26 PM
Mainly because of his 10-1 formation.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 12:30:29 PM
I went to the Home games and cannot remember it being sung
same.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
I can't see where Aaron Danks fits in there with that lot to be honest.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 12:33:57 PM
I can't see where Aaron Danks fits in there with that lot to be honest.
he puts the cones and bibs out
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smithy on November 13, 2021, 12:40:23 PM
I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times over the last 40-odd pages, but any news on a press conference and when we might expect to actually hear from the many himself?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2021, 12:52:03 PM
I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times over the last 40-odd pages, but any news on a press conference and when we might expect to actually hear from the many himself?

I know he used to get around the pitch, but I'm pretty sure there's only one of him!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
It’s on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ditton33 on November 13, 2021, 12:57:41 PM
These Rangers fans seem to rate him, and he and his team certainly sorted out their leaky defence PDQ
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2021, 12:57:58 PM
More coaches than fuckin' Flights.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ditton33 on November 13, 2021, 12:59:55 PM
These Rangers fans seem to rate him, and he and his team certainly sorted out their leaky defence PDQ


You may need to turn the subtitles on though
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 13, 2021, 02:14:00 PM
More coaches than fuckin' Flights.

They will be taking a player each at this rate.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 13, 2021, 02:18:27 PM
These Rangers fans seem to rate him, and he and his team certainly sorted out their leaky defence

At least two of them are former Celtic players; one is Frank McAvennie talking us up as he knows the club after a short time playing for us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clive W on November 13, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.

Got a link to this clause?

I understand we’ve been told it’s a two and a half year contract so it would automatically lapse, presumably in May 2024, unless both sides agree to renew it

I thought it’s been widely reported as a 3 and a half year contract ?
Aston Villa have confirmed the staff who will be supporting new head coach Steven Gerrard. Villa appointed Gerrard as Dean Smith's successor on Thursday on a three-and-a-half-year deal.

My mistake Daz
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 02:45:32 PM
I can't see where Aaron Danks fits in there with that lot to be honest.
he puts the cones and bibs out

🤣🤣 they’ll all be putting 1 cone out each at this rate !
Seriously we’ve really overloaded the analyst dept in the last 6 months with supposedly the best around, and no more are coming . I wonder if DS will take Danks , McPhee or others with him
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DrGonzo on November 13, 2021, 03:59:12 PM
McPhee was apparently an appointment from above so it's unlikely.  We did lose two coaches over the summer and there was much wailing and general gnashing of teeth that they hadn't been properly replaced, and yet now they have been properly replaced we have too many coaches? Seems as if you can't do right for doing wrong these days.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 13, 2021, 04:03:48 PM
Indeed, it’s widely expected that Gerrard will be joining Liverpool after his spell with Villa, and he’s even had a clause inserted into his Aston Villa contract that would allow him to leave the Midlands club in 2024, which, coincidentally, is when Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool deal is up.

Got a link to this clause?

I understand we’ve been told it’s a two and a half year contract so it would automatically lapse, presumably in May 2024, unless both sides agree to renew it

I thought it’s been widely reported as a 3 and a half year contract ?
Aston Villa have confirmed the staff who will be supporting new head coach Steven Gerrard. Villa appointed Gerrard as Dean Smith's successor on Thursday on a three-and-a-half-year deal.

My mistake Daz

I have definitely seen both reported because it confused me but I think general consensus is 3 and half.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2021, 04:07:43 PM
I'm putting it down to poor arithmetic skills amongst the journalistic population these days.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2021, 04:54:24 PM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.

We sing it to every other manager, so why not. As long as he gives the Holte a wave on demand, that's the key thing!

We didn't sing it for TSM 1

Probably because it doesn't really scan with 4 syllables, better with 3 hence "Big Fat Ron's" or "Steven G's" claret & blue army.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2021, 04:58:32 PM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.

We sing it to every other manager, so why not. As long as he gives the Holte a wave on demand, that's the key thing!

We didn't sing it for TSM 1

Probably because it doesn't really scan with 4 syllables, better with 3 hence "Big Fat Ron's" or "Steven G's" claret & blue army.

True, but then neither did Martin O'Neill.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 13, 2021, 06:38:59 PM
Maybe Danks and Nanny McPhee are staying on for continuity/hand-over and will be gently cast aside in time.

Hope big Cutts gets to keep his job as goalie coach though, he has done great work with Martínez. And along with Delaney and Boateng, I think he's the only member of the coaching staff that has playing links with us to 20+ years ago.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 13, 2021, 07:21:40 PM
"Steven G's claret n blue army"
Am warming to it.

We sing it to every other manager, so why not. As long as he gives the Holte a wave on demand, that's the key thing!

We didn't sing it for TSM 1

Probably because it doesn't really scan with 4 syllables, better with 3 hence "Big Fat Ron's" or "Steven G's" claret & blue army.


Worked perfectly with Graham Taylor’s 4 syllables
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2021, 07:39:35 PM

We didn't sing it for TSM 1

Probably because it doesn't really scan with 4 syllables, better with 3 hence "Big Fat Ron's" or "Steven G's" claret & blue army.


Worked perfectly with Graham Taylor’s 4 syllables

Well in GT's case the 's' merges with the last syllable of his name whereas in McLeish's case it adds a syllable plus Graham can be 'blurred' more easily than Alex. In short, TSM's name didn't scan particularly well with the chant though there may have been other reasons, it wasn't the happiest of times in B6.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 09:47:46 PM
Maybe Danks and Nanny McPhee are staying on for continuity/hand-over and will be gently cast aside in time.

Hope big Cutts gets to keep his job as goalie coach though, he has done great work with Martínez. And along with Delaney and Boateng, I think he's the only member of the coaching staff that has playing links with us to 20+ years ago.

I actually wonder if we’ve been very bloody clever here .
Maybe they think in likely event of Deano wanting to take them, if we keep them employed short term, Norwich would have to pay a bot of compo instead of us paying them off ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 13, 2021, 09:50:12 PM
Pleased to see Cutler retained. Don't know enough about Danks to comment but would hope that Nanny McPhee is farmed out soon.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 09:56:30 PM
Here we go, professional training website already updated…… enough room in the dug out for all these ?……..

https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/aston-villa-staff-profiles
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 13, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Blimey!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 13, 2021, 10:04:07 PM
So who out of that lot is going to tell them to get their boots on ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 10:06:49 PM
No wonder DS started to struggle,  he had less help than SG !
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 13, 2021, 11:41:40 PM
Maybe Danks and Nanny McPhee are staying on for continuity/hand-over and will be gently cast aside in time.

Hope big Cutts gets to keep his job as goalie coach though, he has done great work with Martínez. And along with Delaney and Boateng, I think he's the only member of the coaching staff that has playing links with us to 20+ years ago.

I actually wonder if we’ve been very bloody clever here .
Maybe they think in likely event of Deano wanting to take them, if we keep them employed short term, Norwich would have to pay a bot of compo instead of us paying them off ?

Crafty indeed. Offset against the next Buendia instalment.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 14, 2021, 08:18:59 AM
Maybe Danks and Nanny McPhee are staying on for continuity/hand-over and will be gently cast aside in time.

Hope big Cutts gets to keep his job as goalie coach though, he has done great work with Martínez. And along with Delaney and Boateng, I think he's the only member of the coaching staff that has playing links with us to 20+ years ago.

I actually wonder if we’ve been very bloody clever here .
Maybe they think in likely event of Deano wanting to take them, if we keep them employed short term, Norwich would have to pay a bot of compo instead of us paying them off ?
Crafty indeed. Offset against the next Buendia instalment.
Unless you believe the theory that Danks and MacPhee were imposed on him, rather than chosen by him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 14, 2021, 08:20:13 AM
Here we go, professional training website already updated…… enough room in the dug out for all these ?……..
https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/aston-villa-staff-profiles
"We're gonna need a bigger dugout ..."
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 14, 2021, 09:11:23 AM
Here we go, professional training website already updated…… enough room in the dug out for all these ?……..
https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/aston-villa-staff-profiles
"We're gonna need a bigger dugout ..."
"Shit dug out, no coaches" at other grounds
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2021, 09:13:10 AM
Our coaches’ bench, is bigger than this…
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 14, 2021, 09:21:32 AM
Here we go, professional training website already updated…… enough room in the dug out for all these ?……..
https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/aston-villa-staff-profiles
"We're gonna need a bigger dugout ..."

That was taken care of when we appointed Steve Bruce.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smithy on November 14, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
Couple of changes at Villa Park already...

(https://i.ibb.co/34FqjTg/villa-park-dugout-general-views-of-villa-park-the-home-of-aston-villa-during-the-s-1178605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/34FqjTg)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 14, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Why did so many "Rangers" fans have cardboard cutouts of him in the first place?!
https://twitter.com/TriviaTim/status/1459610186965000202

Edit: obviously Twitter is full of lunatics, and I won't keep sharing, but this...
https://twitter.com/paulmurphy68/status/1459517242312466433
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Post by: Ian. on November 14, 2021, 04:11:04 PM
That sacrifice of yet another cut-out is the strangest one yet!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 14, 2021, 04:13:44 PM
one of the comments sums this one up - David Brent
https://twitter.com/IveaghGael/status/1459521927354200072?s=20
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 14, 2021, 04:44:28 PM
Why did so many "Rangers" fans have cardboard cutouts of him in the first place?!
https://twitter.com/TriviaTim/status/1459610186965000202

Edit: obviously Twitter is full of lunatics, and I won't keep sharing, but this...
https://twitter.com/paulmurphy68/status/1459517242312466433

Fucking hell. The age of the fat people stamping on that cutout. Scary.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 14, 2021, 04:46:40 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/L8xshhh/Screenshot-20211114-164024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L8xshhh)

(https://i.ibb.co/SmXyLB0/Screenshot-20211114-163853-com-whatsapp.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SmXyLB0)

An exchange with a Norwich supporting friend
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 14, 2021, 04:58:10 PM
I really wouldn’t have wanted an “old hand” taking over.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Skerra on November 14, 2021, 06:59:58 PM
On reflection, we should have gone for the German manager, Herr Flick, just for the name!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 14, 2021, 07:21:25 PM
On reflection, we should have gone for the German manager, Herr Flick, just for the name!!

Only if he brought Helga with him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 14, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Allo Allo
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Post by: Louzie0 on November 15, 2021, 08:10:17 AM
I wonder how they’re all getting on at BH this morning and who was the first one in!
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Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 08:25:27 AM
Will be interesting to see the training pics as os usually puts pics up of theor 1st session
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Post by: jwarry on November 15, 2021, 09:19:22 AM
I wonder how they’re all getting on at BH this morning and who was the first one in!

Hope it’s all ‘oh shit it’s the new boss’ rather than ‘morning Dean mate’
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Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 09:34:07 AM
There's a bloke on twitter showing the players arriving. I realise they want to make a good impression on the first day, but I think Davis has taken it a bit too far.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF-pUxwXcAcDm8-.jpg)



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Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 10:02:56 AM
I seen a video on social media of gerarrd doin a countdown of his 1st interview so expect a video from the new boss today at some point
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Post by: Legion on November 15, 2021, 10:08:18 AM
https://www.facebook.com/129445223749711/posts/5347933485234166/
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Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 10:17:10 AM
https://www.facebook.com/129445223749711/posts/5347933485234166/
I don't use facebook, what's the link to please?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 15, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
His first interview.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 15, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
On the Villa site here https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/november/15/watch--steven-gerrard-interview/
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Post by: andyh on November 15, 2021, 10:27:58 AM
Interesting first interview with Gerrard.
I think the players are in for a bit of a culture shock and it’s obvious there will be no more ‘Mr nice guy’ in charge.
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Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
Ace, ta.
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Post by: He wears a magic hat on November 15, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
You can't knock how he comes across. He's very confident in front of the cameras and displays a determination that you would expect from a guy that played the way he did.
He doesn't shy away from how he wants the team to play and what is going to be expected of them.

He certainly talks a very good game.

Lets hope he puts all that into practice.

Must admit he wasn't a name that I would have wanted but I can't help be feel a little bit of excitement after watching that
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 15, 2021, 10:37:21 AM
He identified issues with our defending.  Good.  Can't see him starting with playing it out from the back until we get much better organized.  I expect the effort from all the players to rise a few notches.  That's not saying that it was lacking under DS but if you can give a bit more, why not?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 10:39:25 AM
Certainly shows genuine respect not just to us but to Deano as well. Talks a good game, has a fairly mad look in his eyes which I always appreciate. Don't know if I'll ever get used to seeing him with a Villa crest over his heart, it's just bizarre.
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Post by: ajmant on November 15, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
Impressive. I also think the players will be in for a shock. I expect to see the areas covered by each player per game increase significantly. Determined, a winner. Here's hoping.
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Post by: OzVilla on November 15, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
Great interview. I think I like him.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 15, 2021, 10:43:56 AM
He has good hair.
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Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
Decent first performance. Nice to acknowledge Smith i thought. Considering the pressure he was put under his stat's look decent with only 1 mention of Liverpool, Anfield, Houllier and Benitez for the whole 12 minutes
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Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 10:46:38 AM
He has good hair.

I'm getting to the point where I notice such things and am envious. I've let mine grow a couple of weeks later than usual and each time I do, the forest has thinned a little more on top. Sad times.
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Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
Really impressive 1st interview.

You can see he means business. The line that struck me was "its important players listen and take on board instructions. "

Players are not going to have it as easy as they did under smith thats for sure.
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Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Decent first performance. Nice to acknowledge Smith i thought. Considering the pressure he was put under his stat's look decent with only 1 mention of Liverpool, Anfield, Houllier and Benitez for the whole 12 minutes

Concentration levels high, you need that for effective counter attacking. Promising.
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Post by: Ad@m on November 15, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
Certainly shows genuine respect not just to us but to Deano as well. Talks a good game, has a fairly mad look in his eyes which I always appreciate. Don't know if I'll ever get used to seeing him with a Villa crest over his heart, it's just bizarre.

I feel much the same.

It's clear this is going to feel a lot different for the players than working under Deano, and that there will be zero fucking around!

It's not a bad thing that we'll be having a zero excuse culture, but I suspect we'll see plenty of changes in playing personnel as he strikes me as the sort of person who if he decides you're either not good enough or have the wrong attitude you're no good to him.
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Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 10:49:03 AM
Certainly shows genuine respect not just to us but to Deano as well. Talks a good game, has a fairly mad look in his eyes which I always appreciate. Don't know if I'll ever get used to seeing him with a Villa crest over his heart, it's just bizarre.

I feel much the same.

It's clear this is going to feel a lot different for the players than working under Deano, and that there will be zero fucking around!

It's not a bad thing that we'll be having a zero excuse culture, but I suspect we'll see plenty of changes in playing personnel as he strikes me as the sort of person who if he decides you're either not good enough or have the wrong attitude you're no good to him.

I really hope that’s the case. I think we’ve been a bit too nice for a while now.
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Post by: PeterWithe on November 15, 2021, 10:51:53 AM
I thought he came across well, serious, focussed and calm. Also pretty well briefed, acknowledging Dean was important.

Interesting that he seemed to imply that his style of play would be much different which wasn’t what i had thought given his formations at Rangers.
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Post by: Beard82 on November 15, 2021, 10:54:02 AM
Really impressive 1st interview.

You can see he means business. The line that struck me was "its important players listen and take on board instructions. "

Players are not going to have it as easy as they did under smith thats for sure.
Yeah that stood out for me too.  Think it will be a change in approach - and hopefully that will work and certainly bring out something more from the under-performing players. 
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Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 10:54:31 AM
It's not just formations, I think it's about running more, squeezing the space more, pressing like madmen. That was the style up at the Franchise.
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Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 10:58:17 AM
It's not just formations, I think it's about running more, squeezing the space more, pressing like madmen. That was the style up at the Franchise.

They were more like the frenzied zombies in World War Z than George Romero's in Dawn of the Dead, which tended to favour the zonal, more pedestrian system.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2021, 11:01:40 AM
Really impressive 1st interview.

You can see he means business. The line that struck me was "its important players listen and take on board instructions. "

Players are not going to have it as easy as they did under smith thats for sure.
Gary Mac has a bit of a reputation as a tough task master.
Remember the interview that Strachan gave when he talked about him.
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Post by: MattW on November 15, 2021, 11:02:14 AM
Very impressive interview.

His ambition and intelligence is evident. Clearly well-organised, self-reflective and aware of context. Confidence of a person who believes that he knows what's required and that he can produce it, but that it requires discipline. Will set the high standards for others that he's set for himself.
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Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 11:05:56 AM
Well let's hope he delivers what he aims to deliver. Said the things I'd expect in an in-house interview with some promising statements too.
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Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
Time will tell and I'm a sucker for hope, but more and more I'm starting to think this might be a really good fit.
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Post by: Keeno on November 15, 2021, 11:10:49 AM
I thought he came across well, serious, focussed and calm. Also pretty well briefed, acknowledging Dean was important.

Interesting that he seemed to imply that his style of play would be much different which wasn’t what i had thought given his formations at Rangers.

I think we're going to play with a much more high-energy press than we previously did under Deano - despite the 4-3-3 being a theme that connects them.

With the two wide forwards cutting in, a high intensity press, and attacking full backs, I'd imagine its very much modelled on the Klopp blueprint (and Spurs under Poch when they were good).

Based on the comments in that interview, which was pretty impressive, I wouldn't be surprised if we see double training sessions and a big emphasis on fitness and the overall intensity, which is what I think we need. We have talent: it just needs to be taken to a higher level.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2021, 11:13:02 AM
I felt for a while that Smith didn't know how to get the most of his midfield. Our possession stats over his time would show that and then not getting a top quality defensive midfielder that we could all see was needed. Gerrard and McAllister were 2 of the best midfielders in the Premier League era so I'm hoping that we'll become a much more possession based team.
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Post by: Dave P on November 15, 2021, 11:17:50 AM
Our running stats in terms of distance covered have been low all season.  A few more yards from our players will not go amiss.  I'm sure our new coaches will realise this and act upon it if they want possession football.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2021, 11:23:26 AM
I like the no excuses culture.
I can see some player fall out.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 11:28:07 AM
It's not just formations, I think it's about running more, squeezing the space more, pressing like madmen. That was the style up at the Franchise.

Yeah that's what I want aswell. I do think we have the squad for it and when we do it in games we look good at certain points but not consistent enough to do it every week especially given how half hearted the pre season preparation was.
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Post by: Smithy on November 15, 2021, 11:42:23 AM
Well, as first interviews go, I'm impressed by that.  Perhaps it's to be expected given he's had cameras in his face since he was 17, but he spoke really well I thought - and handled the inevitable Liverpool question really well.  He'll be asked it plenty of other times before the 11th December, and similar answers each time would be welcome.

He's saying all the right things, and I'm extremely excited to see how it transfers to the Villa Park pitch.

I do however have a small nagging doubt about how long it will take to get his 'style' of play into this squad.  We already know the current side doesn't run as far as the opposition, and we know he likes a high-energy press to regain possession - but that's easier to implement when your side enjoys 60-70% possession in almost every game it plays (as his Rangers side did).  It's MUCH harder to do for 90 minutes when the possession is more like 50/50, or even less against some of the champions league wannabes.  I think fitness, or lack thereof, might play a part in some of the early performances.  I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 15, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
He spoke very well - impressive.
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Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 11:56:56 AM
Gonna take a fair while to get his ideas across. At the moment upto Christmas all i'm hoping for is new manager bounceability, no confidence-sapping defensive collapses and the return of Mr Luck who seemed to feck off sometime in August.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
Very impressive interview.

His ambition and intelligence is evident. Clearly well-organised, self-reflective and aware of context. Confidence of a person who believes that he knows what's required and that he can produce it, but that it requires discipline. Will set the high standards for others that he's set for himself.

Exactly. 'Bloody hell' was my first reaction. He's extremely serious, not often you see a new manager come in and not smile during his first interview. You had to look very carefully to see his wry smile about the visit to Anfield but he looks and sounds like he's on a mission. You could argue he takes himself very seriously but the overall impression I got was it's his job he takes very seriously.

If the players are looking for a laugh and joke then they'll have Gary McAllister to bounce off but from everything I've seen and read about Gerrard he distances himself from the squad and you'll have to be invited to speak with him. That's not to say he's arrogant, it's just his way of doing things. He takes no prisoners.
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Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 12:00:29 PM
Very impressive interview. He seems like an articulate and determined individual. OK it was an in-house interview with Villa fan Michelle Owen, but he handled the Liverpool question very well. Acknowledged that he’s worked for some great managers, but insisting that he’s just going to go there to try to win. I don’t expect him to make the sort of faux pas that Houllier did on almost weekly basis.
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Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 12:00:34 PM
I like the no excuses culture.
I can see some player fall out.

I agree. But its certainly needed as some players are not giving their all for the club
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Post by: Rory on November 15, 2021, 12:01:56 PM
Very impressive interview.

His ambition and intelligence is evident. Clearly well-organised, self-reflective and aware of context. Confidence of a person who believes that he knows what's required and that he can produce it, but that it requires discipline. Will set the high standards for others that he's set for himself.

Exactly. 'Bloody hell' was my first reaction. He's extremely serious, not often you see a new manager come in and not smile during his first interview.

To be fair, he's always been a miserable bastard. But lots of successful managers are, so hopefully that works in our favour.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Keeno on November 15, 2021, 12:12:43 PM
He very heavily implies the influence of Klopp when he's talking about the key things he wants to change in our playing style - 'how we work together out of possession and win back the ball'. The fact he picks that out as a thing we have to improve is extremely promising. For all the positives from Smith's reign, we've never been a high-press team.

I don't think we'll see the full effect of the changes until the spring - it will take time to raise the collective levels of fitness and instill the systems of pressing. If we can keep picking up wins against teams around us and ride the new manager bounce, staying in a decent mid table position over December/Christmas that'll be fine. Very excited after seeing that interview - although I don't know if I'll ever get over how weird it is to hear him talk about the Villa in his accent/in a Villa kit!
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Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 15, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
Nice nod to Deano too.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 12:14:30 PM
Very impressive interview.

His ambition and intelligence is evident. Clearly well-organised, self-reflective and aware of context. Confidence of a person who believes that he knows what's required and that he can produce it, but that it requires discipline. Will set the high standards for others that he's set for himself.

Exactly. 'Bloody hell' was my first reaction. He's extremely serious, not often you see a new manager come in and not smile during his first interview.

To be fair, he's always been a miserable bastard. But lots of successful managers are, so hopefully that works in our favour.

There's a great Gary Neville interview with Jamie Carragher walking through the streets of Bootle. That same drive to constantly improve was something both Carragher and Gerrard had at Anfield. Much of what Gerrard said today about Bodymoor Heath was a repeat of his recent visit to Liverpool's training ground. Everything is there for the players, they need for nothing so there's no excuse.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 12:16:56 PM

There's a great Gary Neville interview with Jamie Carragher walking through the streets of Bootle. That same drive to constantly improve was something both Carragher and Gerrard had at Anfield. Much of what Gerrard said today about Bodymoor Heath was a repeat of his recent visit to Liverpool's training ground. Everything is there for the players, they need for nothing so there's no excuse.

Bloody hell, they’re either very brave or had a team of about 50 minders. It was unpleasant enough driving through Bootle when I used to go and get the ferry back to the Isle of Man.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 12:26:08 PM
On a personal level the most amazing thing about this appointment is how quickly I’ve come round to it

I started off with a anyone but Steven Gerrard position then moved onto a okay it looks like being him to now admitting to be genuinely excited about the future with him

can’t remember the last time we had a Bit of nastiness and hard spiritedness to the opposition and absolutely hate to lose at all cost mentality
Probably Ron Saunders

So the same outcomes will be most welcome

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: AV82EC on November 15, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
A slightly taciturn and grumpy scouser, what’s not to like? Good interview, very intense and serious minded about what’s in front of him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 12:37:05 PM

There's a great Gary Neville interview with Jamie Carragher walking through the streets of Bootle. That same drive to constantly improve was something both Carragher and Gerrard had at Anfield. Much of what Gerrard said today about Bodymoor Heath was a repeat of his recent visit to Liverpool's training ground. Everything is there for the players, they need for nothing so there's no excuse.

Bloody hell, they’re either very brave or had a team of about 50 minders. It was unpleasant enough driving through Bootle when I used to go and get the ferry back to the Isle of Man.

Ha! Carragher grew up there and seems to know everybody. That said it was probably recorded early in the morning as towards the end of the walk they pop in to some greasy spoon for some breakfast bacon butties. Oh and they ask a few locals what they think of Gary Neville. Well worth a watch.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mrfuse on November 15, 2021, 12:40:56 PM
Interesting first interview with Gerrard.
I think the players are in for a bit of a culture shock and it’s obvious there will be no more ‘Mr nice guy’ in charge.


I think as well as the players having a bit of a shock wake up call, they are going to enjoy it as well.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: tony scott on November 15, 2021, 12:43:17 PM
Interesting to  say the players understand instructions, communication skills one of Mick Beales strengths.



Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: devilla on November 15, 2021, 12:59:41 PM
On a personal level the most amazing thing about this appointment is how quickly I’ve come round to it

I started off with a anyone but Steven Gerrard position then moved onto a okay it looks like being him to now admitting to be genuinely excited about the future with him

can’t remember the last time we had a Bit of nastiness and hard spiritedness to the opposition and absolutely hate to lose at all cost mentality
Probably Ron Saunders

So the same outcomes will be most welcome

This. Really looking to seeing the impact that he's going to have, especially on fitness levels which are vital to the way he wants to play. It's going to be a case of shit or get off the pot.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
Very good interview, pretty much as expected.

I'm not sure our fitness levels will change a great deal, it's very hard to get fitter during a season, but hopefully attitude and effort will improve greatly.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2021, 01:09:32 PM
Just had chance to watch, a couple of things really struck me. Firstly, if anyone thought he was here for an easy gig, no chance. He is as serious an individual gets, focused, has a very clear plan. Immediately wanted the job etc. Secondly, I was impressed at the idea that he will instill his style of play, they need to listen and take it on board, there is 6 weeks now to work with what is in the building. The clear message to the squad was there, get on board or do one. This is my ship now, time to get to work.

Very respectful to the club, Deano and the right response to the Liverpool question.

Said all along I think he will do well, even more convinced of it now.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2021, 01:12:25 PM
Some praise for the Interviewer. Not the normal banal crap, some decent questions.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: AV82EC on November 15, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
Some praise for the Interviewer. Not the normal banal crap, some decent questions.
Michelle Owen, very good summariser and interviewer and a Villa fan.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
Some praise for the Interviewer. Not the normal banal crap, some decent questions.
Michelle Owen, very good summariser and interviewer and a Villa fan.
Cheers, impressive.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Border villan on November 15, 2021, 01:48:09 PM
Here we go, professional training website already updated…… enough room in the dug out for all these ?……..

https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/aston-villa-staff-profiles

Never mind the players. With this many coaches we will be getting regular updates on their injuries.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 01:55:25 PM
The weirdest thing about all this is I never even associated Gerrard with us even in a kind of negative sense. Like, Lampard, I sort of thought he was nailed on to manage us because he scored so many against us he felt connected to the club, like a personal curse. Gerrard I know scored a bunch, but it never felt personal in the same way as Lampard did.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 01:57:45 PM
I very much look forward to Gerrard meeting Jack Woodward almost as much as him telling the Holte End to "Feck Off" with the childish chant of 'Steven, give us a wave'.

EDIT: Now I feel guilty for wishing to see Gerrard's dagger eyes on Jack, the poor fella has just recovered from a serious dose of Covid. You'll be please to hear he hasn't lost his voice.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: mrfuse on November 15, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
Some praise for the Interviewer. Not the normal banal crap, some decent questions.
Michelle Owen, very good summariser and interviewer and a Villa fan.

I thought the same, managed to make the obvious questions interesting even did a good job of that one question we all knew was coming.

No pointless questions and kept the flow going.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 15, 2021, 02:10:10 PM
Some praise for the Interviewer. Not the normal banal crap, some decent questions.
Michelle Owen, very good summariser and interviewer and a Villa fan.
Agreed. Was hoping and praying she'd be leading the interview - Asks all the right questions rather than that other fella who is just an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 02:12:20 PM
Who’s the NatWest YTS sounding lad who does the official site post match interviews?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:32:38 PM
It's hard to see how Danks & MacPhee fit into this set up., but no doubt Gerrard will have to tread a bit carefully as they're Lange appointments.

I don't mind the idea of MacPhee as a set piece coach, so long as he is reined in a bit.  I think we're going to need to keep things fairly simple as I'd have thought SG will want to concentrate more on getting his overall message and shape over at least for the first few weeks.

I'm not quite sure how our medical team and stregth & conditioning coaches are still in a job given our obvious lack of fitness this season and horrendous injury record & recovery timescales. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Keeno on November 15, 2021, 02:40:33 PM
You can improve squad fitness mid-season; it will just take a month or two - probably longer in this instance due to the busy christmas period. But it's still doable. You don't build all of your conditioning in the summer and expect it to remain unchanged throughout the season.

Managers like Conte and Pochettino are well-known for bringing in double training sessions mid-season to raise levels of fitness and intensity in training. Wouldn't be surprised to see Steven do that if the players aren't hitting the numbers they should be to play the way he wants to play.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 02:42:58 PM
It's hard to see how Danks & MacPhee fit into this set up., but no doubt Gerrard will have to tread a bit carefully as they're Lange appointments.

I don't mind the idea of MacPhee as a set piece coach, so long as he is reined in a bit.  I think we're going to need to keep things fairly simple as I'd have thought SG will want to concentrate more on getting his overall message and shape over at least for the first few weeks.

I'm not quite sure how our medical team and stregth & conditioning coaches are still in a job given our obvious lack of fitness this season and horrendous injury record & recovery timescales. 

I really don’t understand how you can have teams with such disparate levels of fitness. You’ve got Bielsa’s Leeds on one hand, who run and run all day, then Villa at the other, with players looking like they’ve smoked 100 fags a day, after 70 minutes. You could understand if we played like Man City and had 70% possession from playing tippy-tippy shite, but we don’t.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 15, 2021, 02:45:32 PM
I remember when other fans used to say about Villa. Give them 70 minutes , they knacker out and then you beat them .
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2021, 03:34:04 PM
It's hard to see how Danks & MacPhee fit into this set up., but no doubt Gerrard will have to tread a bit carefully as they're Lange appointments.

I don't mind the idea of MacPhee as a set piece coach, so long as he is reined in a bit.  I think we're going to need to keep things fairly simple as I'd have thought SG will want to concentrate more on getting his overall message and shape over at least for the first few weeks.

I'm not quite sure how our medical team and stregth & conditioning coaches are still in a job given our obvious lack of fitness this season and horrendous injury record & recovery timescales. 

I really don’t understand how you can have teams with such disparate levels of fitness. You’ve got Bielsa’s Leeds on one hand, who run and run all day, then Villa at the other, with players looking like they’ve smoked 100 fags a day, after 70 minutes. You could understand if we played like Man City and had 70% possession from playing tippy-tippy shite, but we don’t.

I think it's mental. I've not seen anything about it in football but a few years ago I saw a bunch of stats about Saints under Mallinder, it was based on the first half and games where they took a try (7 points +) lead they covered, on average, half a kilometre more per player than games where they went 7points behind. This was consistent over about 3-4 seasons as well. I think that's what has happened with us this season because at the start of last season we were the fittest team in the leauge in my opinion.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cdward on November 15, 2021, 03:36:24 PM
Just watched the interview a second time. The thing that strikes me is his seriousness, and steely determination to be a successful manager.
There is an air of Alex Ferguson about him, no nonsense, not here for making jokes and nicey nicey, but a ruthless streak, who just wants to be let loose with the team and get on with the job.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 03:38:53 PM
On the fitness thing, I read that he introduced a series of beep tests which were respected as much as they were feared by the Rangers players. I've got one or two in mind who I'd like to see put through their paces in this way.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 03:40:44 PM
Just watched the interview a second time. The thing that strikes me is his seriousness, and steely determination to be a successful manager.
There is an air of Alex Ferguson about him, no nonsense, not here for making jokes and nicey nicey, but a ruthless streak, who just wants to be let loose with the team and get on with the job.

Thats what i think ine of smiths fundamental flaws he was too nice. There has to be  abalance not to be a complete arse but not overly nice either. I think smith was just abit too nice to under performing players
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 03:44:04 PM
Was he too nice or is that just us looking at his public persona? Certainly had his own bomb squad. Sort of
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 15, 2021, 03:50:06 PM
On a personal level the most amazing thing about this appointment is how quickly I’ve come round to it

I started off with a anyone but Steven Gerrard position then moved onto a okay it looks like being him to now admitting to be genuinely excited about the future with him

can’t remember the last time we had a Bit of nastiness and hard spiritedness to the opposition and absolutely hate to lose at all cost mentality
Probably Ron Saunders

So the same outcomes will be most welcome
I'm the same.  Ask me at the start of the month, I'd have said:

(a) I don't think Smith should be sacked in the first place, and
(b) Replacing him with Gerrard would be an outright disaster

Having read a bit about him, and listened to him on that interview - I'm feeling quite upbeat about the whole affair.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 15, 2021, 03:58:31 PM
Well, the more I listen to him, the more impressed I am.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 04:01:44 PM
He does come across impressively. It's clearly not everything, but it's a big deal when you're trying to convince young millionaires to bust a gut for you, and when you wed it to his status as a player it's a formidable package.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 04:05:52 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. Every manager can talk a good game.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 04:08:51 PM
He does come across impressively. It's clearly not everything, but it's a big deal when you're trying to convince young millionaires to bust a gut for you, and when you wed it to his status as a player it's a formidable package.


Yep. It's not that important as lots of managers without good playing careers make excellent managers (like Rodgers and Mourinho) but if it does come down to "show us your medals" well, he's got lots.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: simon ward 50 on November 15, 2021, 04:12:54 PM
He does come across impressively. It's clearly not everything, but it's a big deal when you're trying to convince young millionaires to bust a gut for you, and when you wed it to his status as a player it's a formidable package.


Yep. It's not that important as lots of managers without good playing careers make excellent managers (like Rodgers and Mourinho) but if it does come down to "show us your medals" well, he's got lots.

All the smarter pundits ie not Roy Keane, seem to agree that Gerrard is actually quite a serious bloke and doesn't like been messed around particularly if things aren't going well on the pitch.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 04:24:49 PM
I wonder how he would have reacted a few weeks ago to the Argentinian affair with players travelling abroad and getting home later than expected
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 15, 2021, 04:30:06 PM
I wonder how he would have reacted a few weeks ago to the Argentinian affair with players travelling abroad and getting home later than expected

Or to McCormack's gate incident. Wee Ross would've had his head punched in.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: darren woolley on November 15, 2021, 04:31:20 PM
I've just watched his interview I'm excited to see what he can do at Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 15, 2021, 05:19:12 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. Every manager can talk a good game.

Agreed. Dean Smith spoke about traps. We fell into all of them by the end of his time with us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on November 15, 2021, 05:29:57 PM
Absolutely fantastic interview from Steven

Determined and passionate which is something I hope he installs into the Players. we need to be more aggressive and I think our new Head Coach won't be afraid to make some big calls!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 15, 2021, 05:32:07 PM
The proof will be in the pudding. Every manager can talk a good game.

Agreed. Dean Smith spoke about traps. We fell into all of them by the end of his time with us.

yep we seem to set less traps the longer we went on
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 15, 2021, 05:45:55 PM
He's coming out with all the right things. Please bring us some silverware Steven.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 15, 2021, 05:46:03 PM
He talks and conducts himself like a winner. If he can get that mentality over to the squad then in my opinion we should be in for some exciting times.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: nordenvillain on November 15, 2021, 05:55:48 PM
Watched his interview this afternoon and am impressed with his apparent steely resolve to get the team playing as he and his coaching team seem fit. I cannot see him allowing cliques to form or any player(s) paying him lip service. I can also see him making tactical alterations and substitutions when they are required and not too late to turn games around or preserve a lead.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: colin69 on November 15, 2021, 05:57:25 PM
Good interview. I’m definitely warming to him. Don’t think he’ll take any shit.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Colhint on November 15, 2021, 06:01:20 PM
Very good intreview, I believe he has steel. Also helps when Steven Gerrard tells you something about football you probably listen
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rory on November 15, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
Very good intreview, I believe he has steel. Also helps when Steven Gerrard tells you something about football you probably listen

Unless he's telling you what studs to wear.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 15, 2021, 06:04:13 PM
Or how to pass back to the GK.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: colin69 on November 15, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
Very good intreview, I believe he has steel. Also helps when Steven Gerrard tells you something about football you probably listen

Unless he's telling you what studs to wear.

Brilliant….😂😂
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 06:06:02 PM
Very good intreview, I believe he has steel. Also helps when Steven Gerrard tells you something about football you probably listen

Unless he's telling you what studs to wear.
!!!!!! very good
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 15, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
as Tyson said: “Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. ...”

Hopefully he has the cajoles to keep faith in his systems when/if we lose two or three on the trot.  I’d guess he never encountered that situation at Rangers so it will likely be a first for him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: brian green on November 15, 2021, 06:10:50 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 15, 2021, 06:36:20 PM
I liked that interview, no frills and he sounds like a no nonsense manager. I hope he can turn this around because I do believe we have got a half decent squad now. Maybe a kick up the arse and some decent organisation I’d what we need.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: BC Villain on November 15, 2021, 06:43:21 PM
On the fitness thing, I read that he introduced a series of beep tests which were respected as much as they were feared by the Rangers players. I've got one or two in mind who I'd like to see put through their paces in this way.

I can't imagine the likes of Agbonlahor would have been thrilled at doing bleep tests
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 06:48:42 PM
Watched the training video was highly impressed how involved he was getting. It looked all business and not fun and games.

I think it was abit too soft around villa under smith.  These guys look more stern and intense
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 06:48:56 PM
I do however have a small nagging doubt about how long it will take to get his 'style' of play into this squad.  We already know the current side doesn't run as far as the opposition, and we know he likes a high-energy press to regain possession - but that's easier to implement when your side enjoys 60-70% possession in almost every game it plays (as his Rangers side did).  It's MUCH harder to do for 90 minutes when the possession is more like 50/50, or even less against some of the champions league wannabes.  I think fitness, or lack thereof, might play a part in some of the early performances.  I hope I'm wrong.

I'd say some of our best football under Dean came from when we really pressed teams. The only real problem was we ran out of steam and later had no reply when teams pressed us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 15, 2021, 06:49:04 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

As much as I enjoyed the interview and trust in the decision slightly more now, still this.  Having said that, I was the same with every other Manager appointed.  Steven has a lot to prove but I like the way he comes across.  I certainly like his backroom staff.  Sign a DCM, watch us improve.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 15, 2021, 07:00:40 PM
He didn't put a foot wrong in that interview, to be fair to him. But, as Brian implied, it's all still to come.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 15, 2021, 07:04:05 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

Well yeah but it wouldn’t make a great interview would it? Sorry I’m not going to answer any questions you’ll just have to watch what happens.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 15, 2021, 07:08:20 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

Well yeah but it wouldn’t make a great interview would it? Sorry I’m not going to answer any questions you’ll just have to watch what happens.


ha ha can you imagine that would be funny
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 15, 2021, 07:12:08 PM
Impressive interview. He identified the weaknesses so.lets hope he can remedy them.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 15, 2021, 07:20:07 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

Surely that would be the same if our manager was Pep who has never had to take a team towards the bottom and build them up. Success is not a certainty whoever became our manager.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 07:30:33 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

Give the bloke a chance...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Pete3206 on November 15, 2021, 07:30:44 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

Copyright Big Ron
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: The Edge on November 15, 2021, 07:39:10 PM
A slightly itk here. A mates lad spent a long time at a local football club and is a friend of some of the coaches there. Word is that Gerrard is widely thought of as the best young coach in the game right now. Just passing it on.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 07:57:51 PM
A slightly itk here. A mates lad spent a long time at a local football club and is a friend of some of the coaches there. Word is that Gerrard is widely thought of as the best young coach in the game right now. Just passing it on.

Give it time we’ll soon sort that out
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 15, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

Interviewer: "Hi Steven, tell us about...."

Steven: "No, I can't tell you - because Brian Green from the internet doesn't want to hear it"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: amfy on November 15, 2021, 08:10:44 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: BC Villain on November 15, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.

As others have said, the proof will be improved performances and better quality football to watch, not by reeling off gags in his press conferences
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 15, 2021, 08:20:25 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.
most managers are.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 15, 2021, 08:21:11 PM
A slightly itk here. A mates lad spent a long time at a local football club and is a friend of some of the coaches there. Word is that Gerrard is widely thought of as the best young coach in the game right now. Just passing it on.

Give it time we’ll soon sort that out

After a few years he will have the players rolling up their sleeves, telling the fans they just don’t know what they are talking about and even though we got stuffed we of course played excellent.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 15, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.

He’s a footie manager, not a writer!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 15, 2021, 08:24:23 PM
A slightly itk here. A mates lad spent a long time at a local football club and is a friend of some of the coaches there. Word is that Gerrard is widely thought of as the best young coach in the game right now. Just passing it on.


Give it time we’ll soon sort that out

After a few years he will have the players rolling up their sleeves, telling the fans they just don’t know what they are talking about and even though we got stuffed we of course played excellent.

Just like Steve O’Lambert.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 15, 2021, 08:43:21 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.
zee

Yes, it wasnt the loudest was it? He came across quite well I thought though.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: TonyD on November 15, 2021, 08:49:18 PM
Don't tell us.  Show us.
Agreed. By telling our scouts to find the world’s current top five DCMs  - and buy two of them in January.  No messing about.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: TonyD on November 15, 2021, 08:54:37 PM
On a personal level the most amazing thing about this appointment is how quickly I’ve come round to it

I started off with a anyone but Steven Gerrard position then moved onto a okay it looks like being him to now admitting to be genuinely excited about the future with him


Stockholm Syndrome 😉
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Taylor on November 15, 2021, 08:56:07 PM
Any reason why Ollie isn’t in the training video, he’s not with England?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: FailsworthVillan on November 15, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Camera shy. He was there.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Damo70 on November 15, 2021, 09:05:53 PM
I was very much underwhelmed by Gerrards appointment but fair play to him he had the balls to take the job when the easier option would have been to stay with Rangers.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 09:10:51 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.

Boring what you want him to say.? You want him to tell you about his exciting weekend ? Or his  holiday plans for the summer?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 15, 2021, 09:34:46 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 15, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.

I feel the opposite, I thought he spoke and came across really well in the interview, no bullshit, no cliches, very articulate and considered.  To be honest, this is not the sort of thing I would ordinarily choose to watch, but I'm glad I did.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 10:01:25 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 15, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
I'm hoping it will change soon Ads. Once he's got a few wins and good performances under his belt it will be all good.

I have a good feeling about this appointment. The more and more I've read and also seen what he's achieved so far we could be in very good hands.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: amfy on November 15, 2021, 10:08:52 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite happy to get behind him and I could really tell that he was talking a lot of sense, but he is so boring I actually couldn’t hear any of it.

Boring what you want him to say.? You want him to tell you about his exciting weekend ? Or his  holiday plans for the summer?

It wasn’t what he said, but his voice just sends me to sleep.

My original post does say that I had no problem with what he said, & I do know that his actual tone of voice is an irrelevance, unless of course it has the same effect on the players.

.....& tbh, if I’m struggling to get on board with excitement about Steve Gerrard, it might be because I know that once I get fully behind him, I’ll still be behind him long after you’re calling for his head. It’s too predictable.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 15, 2021, 10:22:47 PM
If many of you have warmed more to him after today’s interview, I highly recommend this 3 part interview. He’s growing on me a lot.

 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi63cDdspv0AhVGa8AKHVULCZIQwqsBegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlsPGRrFUHJA&usg=AOvVaw34ajA_7K7SWZnCO1jCw17h (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi63cDdspv0AhVGa8AKHVULCZIQwqsBegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlsPGRrFUHJA&usg=AOvVaw34ajA_7K7SWZnCO1jCw17h)

 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi63cDdspv0AhVGa8AKHVULCZIQwqsBegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dba2vXdkyT9U&usg=AOvVaw0sIYIoYbjAfm5eTGRYG7XJ (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi63cDdspv0AhVGa8AKHVULCZIQwqsBegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dba2vXdkyT9U&usg=AOvVaw0sIYIoYbjAfm5eTGRYG7XJ)

 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi63cDdspv0AhVGa8AKHVULCZIQwqsBegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9zfqceM6VJY&usg=AOvVaw2F3kI0q59QAwUiPVHZsSc4 (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi63cDdspv0AhVGa8AKHVULCZIQwqsBegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9zfqceM6VJY&usg=AOvVaw2F3kI0q59QAwUiPVHZsSc4)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: TonyD on November 15, 2021, 10:24:07 PM
Just imagine if we beat Liverpool next month…….
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on November 15, 2021, 10:25:22 PM
Just imagine if we beat Liverpool next month…….
I’ll be very happy with 3 points v Brighton to be fair !
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 15, 2021, 10:26:44 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 15, 2021, 10:29:22 PM
It was a PR savvy interview as you would expect of any premier league manager or player. He was even smart enough (or more likely briefed well enough) to mention Deano at a point in the interview when it wasn’t entirely relevant, when asked  on the managers  that had been the biggest influence on his career….im sure Smith wasnt one of these 😊
I thought he came across well, i just long for the days when one ratboy got punched in the head  by a Rubery scummer, got up to score the winner and tell the TV audiences ‘it waz the best day of me life’, the unscripted joy of it all.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Des Little on November 15, 2021, 10:35:19 PM
I’m warming to him. He’s determined, driven and a winner...but best if all for me, he’ll expect and demand excellence from every single member of this squad, otherwise they won’t be here for long. I absolutely loved Deano, but I can’t help but feel that too many of this current crop stopped striving for him as much as they could.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: FatSam on November 15, 2021, 10:41:35 PM
.....& tbh, if I’m struggling to get on board with excitement about Steve Gerrard, it might be because I know that once I get fully behind him, I’ll still be behind him long after you’re calling for his head. It’s too predictable.
I think that’s perceptive, and now that you mention it, I’m probably similar. I’m also struggling to find enthusiasm for Gerrard, but there’s no question that he’ll have my complete support. I’m inclined to give a manager the benefit of the doubt, and take more than just cold hard results into consideration when thinking about whether to make a change. It’s just how I’m calibrated. The only exceptions that I can remember were Sherwood and McLeish, who just felt like structurally flawed appointments from the outset. So I’m a bit fatigued by the thought of starting the inevitable process again.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 15, 2021, 10:43:29 PM
If many of you have warmed more to him after today’s interview, I highly recommend this 3 part interview. He’s growing on me a lot.

Same here, I've already ordered my Stevíe G cardboard cutout.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 15, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

There's no fanboy fawning. Just fans who want their new manager to succeed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

There's no fanboy fawning. Just fans who want their new manager to succeed.

I think also a lot of us who were initially sceptical to the point of horrified have been pleasantly surprised by the amount of positive indications there are out there.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: tomd2103 on November 15, 2021, 11:10:49 PM
It's hard to see how Danks & MacPhee fit into this set up., but no doubt Gerrard will have to tread a bit carefully as they're Lange appointmemts.

Watched the training video earlier and Danks was stood there like the proverbial spare one at a wedding.  Can't see him being there too long if I'm honest.  Meanwhile, MacPhee popped up on the screen a few times during the Scotland game, so he's keeping himself busy.

Think what has happened to Danks shows the brutal nature of professional football and sport in general.  Left a good job in Belgium to come to us and within a few months is probably looking at moving again.  Wouldn't think those kind of level coaches are on the kind of money that makes uprooting family etc. an easy proposition either. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 11:11:24 PM
It will be same as when Terry joined. The reaction on here was very mixed to say the least but once he got on the pitch and you saw the quality (and him causing no issues off the pitch) the majority were won over.

Gerrard needs to get points on the board but I suspect it will play out the same until he hits the wall in similar style to DS (and if that takes 3 years it suggests he'll have done more than o.k).
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Small Rodent on November 15, 2021, 11:27:35 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

In his head.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Louzie0 on November 15, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
I thought the interview was very good.  I hope we beat Brighton and go from strength to strength, because if self belief and determination is what it takes, he’s got it!

I hope he looks after players who might take a bit longer to change the way they have been trained to play, up until now. They’re not machines to be programmed and they have to get that muscle memory going and auto reactions firing, as well as processing mentally, which is the non machine bit.

Some are going to be faster to adapt to his system than others. He has a lot of goodwill at this stage. I’m not talking about anybody who’s ‘lazy’, just maybe someone who needs a bit longer to understand an aspect of the new system than someone else! ( I include myself in that group, in a different work scenario than BH!)

I hope that the youth team coaches are happy that the system he wants to put in place dovetails with their approach because they have done a fantastic job, so far, and we don’t want to screw up the transition from their team to first team, which was a strength of the Deano set up.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Iamkmkm on November 16, 2021, 12:01:51 AM
Let's hope he is obsessed to become a top manager aswell, iam certainly very excited to see what he can achieve here.

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Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: john e on November 16, 2021, 12:08:21 AM
As I’ve said I’ve come round to him pretty quickly
But I’ll not criticise people who haven’t and maybe never will

I never accepted Bruce as our manager I hated most things he did with the football team and never thought we were going anywhere with him in charge
It’s a very difficult position to be in because you still support Villa you still want the team to win, you just don’t want him in charge
We’ve had some bad managers in the past but I can honestly say it was a worst period for me supporting Villa in 50 years

So maybe there are those who just don’t like Gerard and don’t like what he stands for, don’t like his football philosophy it’s just all too much with the Liverpool stuff, you’ll just have to do what I did support team but not the manager
It’s not easy but it can be done

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 16, 2021, 12:30:46 AM
One of the posters on 'Red and White Kop' has gone to the bother of writing a poem about his appointment in the style of 'If Stevíe's agent was Dr Seuss':

Quote from: RAWKopite
'Do you like Mings? Do you like Ings?
Do you like long-shots from John McGinns?
Well I've got a job here with all of these things -
Just sign on this line and find out what it brings!'

Stevíe said 'Sure! my hat's in the ring,
I can't wait to see all these things that it brings!'

The things that it brought were torrid and fraught
More trouble and problems than Steven had thought
Old dogs for players who couldn't be taught -
and shiny new targets who couldn't be bought!

Stevíe'd been tricked - he realised now
He twisted his grimace and furrowed his brow
And called up his agent to sack him, and how!

'I've seen all the things that you said this would bring!
It's trouble in Autumn, and trouble in Spring!
These lads are not fit, nor willing or able
to climb any higher than lower mid-table!'

'Don't lose your head!' the agent then said,
'You have to be patient to bring home the bread!'

'Don't patronise me, you snivelling thing -
This squad has no vigour, no Zip and no Zing!
I can't get a tune out of Ings or of Mings
I've got Losses and Draws, but no bloody wins!'

With that the agent was put in his place
when Stevíe's big forehead crashed into his face
He no longer rhymes, he can't even talk
And Stevíe applied for a new job at York
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 16, 2021, 02:44:06 AM
Sorry still not impressed with this appointment. What have you done Purslow?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Hillbilly on November 16, 2021, 03:56:21 AM
I watched the training ground video. Nice to see Trezeguet involved. It's gonna be interesting to see what gets him next after the face injury, hamstring, Covid and ligament. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened on an international call up.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 16, 2021, 06:33:43 AM
One of the posters on 'Red and White Kop' has gone to the bother of writing a poem about his appointment in the style of 'If Stevíe's agent was Dr Seuss':

Quote from: RAWKopite
'Do you like Mings? Do you like Ings?
Do you like long-shots from John McGinns?
Well I've got a job here with all of these things -
Just sign on this line and find out what it brings!'

Stevíe said 'Sure! my hat's in the ring,
I can't wait to see all these things that it brings!'

The things that it brought were torrid and fraught
More trouble and problems than Steven had thought
Old dogs for players who couldn't be taught -
and shiny new targets who couldn't be bought!

Stevíe'd been tricked - he realised now
He twisted his grimace and furrowed his brow
And called up his agent to sack him, and how!

'I've seen all the things that you said this would bring!
It's trouble in Autumn, and trouble in Spring!
These lads are not fit, nor willing or able
to climb any higher than lower mid-table!'

'Don't lose your head!' the agent then said,
'You have to be patient to bring home the bread!'

'Don't patronise me, you snivelling thing -
This squad has no vigour, no Zip and no Zing!
I can't get a tune out of Ings or of Mings
I've got Losses and Draws, but no bloody wins!'

With that the agent was put in his place
when Stevíe's big forehead crashed into his face
He no longer rhymes, he can't even talk
And Stevíe applied for a new job at York

Nothing on the tele in Norway.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 06:36:10 AM
As I’ve said I’ve come round to him pretty quickly
But I’ll not criticise people who haven’t and maybe never will

I never accepted Bruce as our manager I hated most things he did with the football team and never thought we were going anywhere with him in charge
It’s a very difficult position to be in because you still support Villa you still want the team to win, you just don’t want him in charge
We’ve had some bad managers in the past but I can honestly say it was a worst period for me supporting Villa in 50 years

So maybe there are those who just don’t like Gerard and don’t like what he stands for, don’t like his football philosophy it’s just all too much with the Liverpool stuff, you’ll just have to do what I did support team but not the manager
It’s not easy but it can be done

Bruce was a bit different. I didn't want him here because of his football, but I saw the logic in getting Mr. Promotion in, even if it was flawed. I mean Di Matteo got binned because someone somewhere decided that the squad that come down was good enough to get promoted 1st season which always seemed a bit mad to me - We were a really bad team.

Gerrard, well I was never a fan, and certainly not of the cult of Gerrard, but that's not really his doing and I can live with that. The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that. I can't make a judgement on his coaching because of the level. For instance, his side at Rangers create a lot of chances from the fullbacks. Well great, but we're not going to see Targett and Cash produce those sort of stats, because they're not James or Alexander-Arnold for a start, and they're also playing against  much better opposition than up north so whether he's going to find it that easy to implement his style is a big question mark for me. Just a lot of hopeful assumptions from the club imo which doesn't strike me as a decision made on taking us to the next level.

I will wait and see I guess. I wish him the best and he's handled himself well so far. I was never worried he was gonna go down the Liverpool fanboy route like Houllier because he's obviously a bit more diplomatic and clued up to the fans sensitivities. End of the day, if it doesn't work out I don't think i'll be blaming Mr Gerrard for it anyway. It will be aimed higher up.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on November 16, 2021, 07:45:17 AM
Sorry still not impressed with this appointment. What have you done Purslow?

Seconded. It's better than Bruce, however.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sid1964 on November 16, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
Is it today that he has his first press conference?

Gerrard I am still not sure about? but we will see, hopefully he can prove me and the doubters wrong
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Joe S on November 16, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
Any reason why Ollie isn’t in the training video, he’s not with England?

You can spot him on one of the photographs in the gallery.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: stubbsyandy on November 16, 2021, 08:28:16 AM
Any reason why Ollie isn’t in the training video, he’s not with England?

You can spot him on one of the photographs in the gallery.

And on the video as they come out of the door
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 16, 2021, 09:19:57 AM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

Probably more fanboys on smith than gerrard if that means backing the new manager and not being overly negative before  a games even taken place
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: passport1 on November 16, 2021, 09:41:35 AM
I'm listening to The High Performance Podcast | Steven Gerrard: how to make high expectations a reality on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ea/dir-7vr7e-ba2f9a4


Worth a listen for a more in depth interview than the one on  Villa TV. Touches on and expands on many of the same topics.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on November 16, 2021, 09:59:39 AM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

Probably more fanboys on smith than gerrard if that means backing the new manager and not being overly negative before  a games even taken place

Isn’t this fanboy name calling a little bit childish?

Gerrard is our manager so obviously I hope he does brilliantly well. However, Saturday’s game will be the first time he has managed in the Premier League or in any top level league so it’s surely sensible to reserve judgement until he’s had the chance to show what he can do. Not pre-judging him as not the same as wanting him to fail.

We’ve all seen it before, a manager feted on arrival only to be called all the names under the sun by the same people 12 months later.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 16, 2021, 10:01:05 AM
Which is exactly what will happen.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2021, 10:03:34 AM
Is it really necessary for Villa fans to keep having a pop at each other ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 16, 2021, 10:18:54 AM
Which is exactly what will happen.
Nothing new then.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2021, 10:23:50 AM

We’ve all seen it before, a manager feted on arrival only to be called all the names under the sun by the same people 12 months later.



I don't think he has been "feted". His initial appointment was met with mostly severe disapproval on here. Now that things have calmed down, most people are just looking forward to seeing what he can do. I'm excited by his appointment, but can still see that it's a risk that could go horribly wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 16, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

Probably more fanboys on smith than gerrard if that means backing the new manager and not being overly negative before  a games even taken place

Isn’t this fanboy name calling a little bit childish?

Gerrard is our manager so obviously I hope he does brilliantly well. However, Saturday’s game will be the first time he has managed in the Premier League or in any top level league so it’s surely sensible to reserve judgement until he’s had the chance to show what he can do. Not pre-judging him as not the same as wanting him to fail.

We’ve all seen it before, a manager feted on arrival only to be called all the names under the sun by the same people 12 months later.

Very childish i agree but as stated in my point nothing wrong with being behind the new guy without being called a fanboy

Well you could argue he has managed at a more hostile environment with even more demanding fans than we have here at villa. You can reserve judgment and i understand your reasons for doing so.

I do agree though with some of the posts smiths the past now its time to look forward and see what happens
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 16, 2021, 11:02:57 AM

We’ve all seen it before, a manager feted on arrival only to be called all the names under the sun by the same people 12 months later.



I don't think he has been "feted". His initial appointment was met with mostly severe disapproval on here. Now that things have calmed down, most people are just looking forward to seeing what he can do. I'm excited by his appointment, but can still see that it's a risk that could go horribly wrong.

Exactly where i am at
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Havencheese on November 16, 2021, 11:08:24 AM
My about face was very quick. I was deeply worried by that five game stint, then once the trigger was pulled, straight into mild despair. Mostly for Smith but also who was linked to the position. The more I learned about Gerrard the more convinced I was that he was the one to go with out of all the others even if it wasn't a great list to begin with. A large part it really came down to who he was bringing with him especially compared to who was working with Smith which unfortunately had looked an incohesive backroom for a while.

I'm of the impression we're going to see a fair bit more presence and bite from the club; on the pitch, on the touchline.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on November 16, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
He takes over with Villa being in the best place we’ve been in for years. He’s got a good squad, exciting youth system, supportive owners with deep pockets and has all his own team around him. It’s entirely down to him now and there can be no excuses.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 11:37:27 AM
Yep, that's my main comfort. He'd have to balls it up on to an epic extent to take us down.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 16, 2021, 11:43:10 AM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

And where are the people not accepting Smith has gone and that we have a new manager? My point was as extremely ridiculous as yours.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 16, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
You know what's really annoying? Coaches never want to go into actually how football is played. I want to hear about training sessions, movements, all this stuff they mention but never actually go into detail about. Instead they go on about 'making sure you communicate' and stuff which is all very important and so on, but it's stuff they all say. If people have differences in playing style, I want to hear about how!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 16, 2021, 11:54:06 AM
You know what's really annoying? Coaches never want to go into actually how football is played. I want to hear about training sessions, movements, all this stuff they mention but never actually go into detail about. Instead they go on about 'making sure you communicate' and stuff which is all very important and so on, but it's stuff they all say. If people have differences in playing style, I want to hear about how!

Trade secrets! They don't want to give anything away, or be pulled apart. Or maybe they just don't know! :-)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 16, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
I doubt if our managerial team would divulge elements of their training sessions, tactics etc etc.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 16, 2021, 12:00:40 PM
I mean, I've heard Pep and Klopp talk about specifics. Don't know why it's fine for them but not for anyone else.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 16, 2021, 12:04:50 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

And where are the people not accepting Smith has gone and that we have a new manager? My point was as extremely ridiculous as yours.

When the criticsm boils down to he's boring or trite quotes of BFR, it should be easy to spot.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 16, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
Some people need to accept Smith has gone and we have a new manager.

And some people might say others need to cut out the fanboy fawning over Steven G la.

Some people don't think the boss decision was a boss decision. There's no one person who has said they won't support his team.

Where is the fanboy fawning?

And where are the people not accepting Smith has gone and that we have a new manager? My point was as extremely ridiculous as yours.

When the criticsm boils down to he's boring or trite quotes of BFR, it should be easy to spot.

Someone calls him boring and that means they haven't accepted Smith's gone?! Blimey.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 16, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
Read in the context of everything else they've said in the past 10 days, yes. Or read in the context that Smith is astute and Gerrard stupid, yes. Context is key.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 16, 2021, 12:13:54 PM
He takes over with Villa being in the best place we’ve been in for years. He’s got a good squad, exciting youth system, supportive owners with deep pockets and has all his own team around him. It’s entirely down to him now and there can be no excuses.

Agree with this despite our current league position. I never bought into Steve Bruce 'saving us from relegation' or even Dean 'performing miracles to get us into the play-offs'. Our squad was always far better than the league position, just as it is today.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 16, 2021, 12:37:05 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 12:43:10 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.

They may see something in him. They may be right, but its an informed hunch at best while i'd prefer to go on evidence if we're looking for a manager to take us into consistent top6/Europe type scenario. Of course going for a track record  doesn't guarantee anything, but i'd feel a bit more confident.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2021, 12:49:09 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smithy on November 16, 2021, 01:08:51 PM
I mean, I've heard Pep and Klopp talk about specifics. Don't know why it's fine for them but not for anyone else.

I think it's easier to discuss the specifics of "how we do it" when you're winning things.  I don't think there is as much interest in the specific tactical approaches and player instructions from teams in the middle of the league.

A lot of it you can see on the pitch on a matchday anyway. Little patterns of play, where players first look to put the ball when they're in possession, where their starting position is when in and out of possession, the type of risks they take and where they take them - any fan can see that sort of stuff (much easier at a match than on TV, admittedly) and all that comes from the manager.

I'd love to see an in-depth discussion of specific instructions given to the individual players, but it's never going to happen because the moment it does, you're inviting 40-odd thousand match-day opinions on whether the player in question followed the manager's instructions, or not.  I think it protects the players not to have that level of detail in the public domain, even though I'd love to hear it.

A couple of things that stood out for me during that training video were the tempo, and the repeated, incessant calling of 'Press!'.  That's clearly something to watch out for on Saturday.  Are we going to press as an entire team, or just as a front three?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 16, 2021, 01:30:45 PM
I mean, I've heard Pep and Klopp talk about specifics. Don't know why it's fine for them but not for anyone else.

I think it's easier to discuss the specifics of "how we do it" when you're winning things.  I don't think there is as much interest in the specific tactical approaches and player instructions from teams in the middle of the league.

A lot of it you can see on the pitch on a matchday anyway. Little patterns of play, where players first look to put the ball when they're in possession, where their starting position is when in and out of possession, the type of risks they take and where they take them - any fan can see that sort of stuff (much easier at a match than on TV, admittedly) and all that comes from the manager.

I'd love to see an in-depth discussion of specific instructions given to the individual players, but it's never going to happen because the moment it does, you're inviting 40-odd thousand match-day opinions on whether the player in question followed the manager's instructions, or not.  I think it protects the players not to have that level of detail in the public domain, even though I'd love to hear it.

A couple of things that stood out for me during that training video were the tempo, and the repeated, incessant calling of 'Press!'.  That's clearly something to watch out for on Saturday.  Are we going to press as an entire team, or just as a front three?


Yeah, definitely something to watch for. Starting positions need to be disciplined, if you go to press from 5 yards away from where you should be from the opponent, you'll be easily taken out of the game within two passes. It is something that we seemed to be getting worse at, we never seem to have enough men in the right position to then go and engage. There's clearly more to it than running around like you're still in Cubs and playing 19-a-side.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 16, 2021, 01:35:28 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club



Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 16, 2021, 01:42:15 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club





It seems to me the club have thought that Smith has taken us as far as he can and we need a new fresh approach. After reading many good things from people within the game, his record at Rangers, his work with the Liverpool youth team, he looks a very good candidate for the job. It may be a masterstroke, it may not.

One thing for sure, which is the most upsetting for me Smith had probably come to the end of the road with us.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2021, 01:53:11 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club
Why would SG not be held to the same targets ? you could easily argue that the Board were pretty generous with Smith.
He will get plenty of support but the expectations remain, continual improvement until we are competing at the top end of the league.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 16, 2021, 02:10:51 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club
Why would SG not be held to the same targets ? you could easily argue that the Board were pretty generous with Smith.
He will get plenty of support but the expectations remain, continual improvement until we are competing at the top end of the league.
Sorry - I expect him to be held to the same standards - and there is nothing to suggest that he won’t, other than my nagging doubt that this wasn’t only for football reasons. 

I guess I worry he’ll be given more leeway because of his name and the fact that this has CP written all over it. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: KevinGage on November 16, 2021, 02:21:29 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.

They may see something in him. They may be right, but its an informed hunch at best while i'd prefer to go on evidence if we're looking for a manager to take us into consistent top6/Europe type scenario. Of course going for a track record  doesn't guarantee anything, but i'd feel a bit more confident.

Aye.

Rangers fans weren't completely stunned he left either, as he'd been cribbing about a lack of transfer funds for a while. In a league hardly awash with the stuff.

Quote
"If we want to keep growing and go to the extra level we need to spend big money in the transfer windows. It is as simple as that," he said.

"To compete with the teams we are playing against, we have to spend big money. In the last two windows we haven't spent a penny."

How will this fresh new innovator stay ahead of the pack?  By spending big money. 

That and his seeming indifference to the youth system up there suggests he's going to throw £ at the thing. Such an approach will (hopefully) insulate us against a major relegation fight this year or next. But expecting more from a managerial novice with the L plates on is pushing it, to my mind.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: enigma on November 16, 2021, 02:25:59 PM
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Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2021, 02:35:06 PM
I think the main factor for success is a good set up behind the scenes, a board and manager who trust and believe in each other and the way forward, and of course some good players. Look at Wolves with Nuno for example. Leaving aside concerns about their business dealings, they had a good coach, a set way of bringing in good players and as a result they had two 7th placed finishes in a row. Drop him in at Spurs, it seemed like a bad fit and it didn't work out. Same for Mourinho at Man U and Spurs. For a lower placed club, look at Burnley and Dyche.

The board had clearly stopped believing in Smith, and to me he didn't seem completely at ease before that with transfers not really being his remit, or with all of the new coaches etc. Once he'd gone then, the owners and board clearly wanted somebody young who would fit in with how they saw the club progressing. As long as Gerrard gets the backing he feels he needs, I think he'll do well. I'd say we're 9/10 for owners, 8/10 for a shared approach, and 7/10 for players at the moment.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 16, 2021, 02:47:47 PM
How will this fresh new innovator stay ahead of the pack?  By spending big money. 
That and his seeming indifference to the youth system up there suggests he's going to throw £ at the thing. Such an approach will (hopefully) insulate us against a major relegation fight this year or next. But expecting more from a managerial novice with the L plates on is pushing it, to my mind.
He may well have money to throw around but he won't be calling all the shots: Smith clearly didn't have a free hand in transfers; nor will Mr G. Additionally, the club has spent big on the Academy and our new Head Coach will be expected to use the talented outputs that it delivers.
Perhaps Smith was too much Mr Nice Guy: maybe Mr G will get on better with Lange and others by being a little less emotionally invested in the Club.

Who knows?! - we'll find out as things play out.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 16, 2021, 02:49:42 PM
You know what's really annoying? Coaches never want to go into actually how football is played. I want to hear about training sessions, movements, all this stuff they mention but never actually go into detail about. Instead they go on about 'making sure you communicate' and stuff which is all very important and so on, but it's stuff they all say. If people have differences in playing style, I want to hear about how!
If he did people would still come up with the old nugget of 'don't tell us, show us"

Smith's 'setting traps' was quoted back at him in derision as soon as we went through some sticky spells.  I'd say Gerrard jas played it about right so far.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Allan C on November 16, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
As I’ve said I’ve come round to him pretty quickly
But I’ll not criticise people who haven’t and maybe never will

I never accepted Bruce as our manager I hated most things he did with the football team and never thought we were going anywhere with him in charge
It’s a very difficult position to be in because you still support Villa you still want the team to win, you just don’t want him in charge
We’ve had some bad managers in the past but I can honestly say it was a worst period for me supporting Villa in 50 years

So maybe there are those who just don’t like Gerard and don’t like what he stands for, don’t like his football philosophy it’s just all too much with the Liverpool stuff, you’ll just have to do what I did support team but not the manager
It’s not easy but it can be done

Bruce was a bit different. I didn't want him here because of his football, but I saw the logic in getting Mr. Promotion in, even if it was flawed. I mean Di Matteo got binned because someone somewhere decided that the squad that come down was good enough to get promoted 1st season which always seemed a bit mad to me - We were a really bad team.

Gerrard, well I was never a fan, and certainly not of the cult of Gerrard, but that's not really his doing and I can live with that. The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that. I can't make a judgement on his coaching because of the level. For instance, his side at Rangers create a lot of chances from the fullbacks. Well great, but we're not going to see Targett and Cash produce those sort of stats, because they're not James or Alexander-Arnold for a start, and they're also playing against  much better opposition than up north so whether he's going to find it that easy to implement his style is a big question mark for me. Just a lot of hopeful assumptions from the club imo which doesn't strike me as a decision made on taking us to the next level.

I will wait and see I guess. I wish him the best and he's handled himself well so far. I was never worried he was gonna go down the Liverpool fanboy route like Houllier because he's obviously a bit more diplomatic and clued up to the fans sensitivities. End of the day, if it doesn't work out I don't think i'll be blaming Mr Gerrard for it anyway. It will be aimed higher up.
First class post. My feelings exactly
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2021, 02:52:13 PM
He'll either do well, or he won't. Obviously he's got to get to grips with the squad and the fact that we're just outside the relegation places first, but he's got the perfect owners. There can be no excuses for him, jut as there wasn't for Smith after three years.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Smithy on November 16, 2021, 03:05:10 PM
I'm not sure where Gerrard has got this reputation for not wanting to blood younger players? I mean, sure, it's not like Rangers had a significant production line, but Nathan Patterson became a first-team player (and Scottish International) while only 19 under Gerrard - and due to their issues, they've lost some promising youth players over the last few years - Billy Gilmour going to Chelsea at 16 being probably the biggest.

I think his time in the Liverpool academy and at U23 level will prepare him well to know when a youth product has what it takes to play in the first team, and I'm quite sure it's part of his remit to try and maximise the return from our investment in youth.

Of course, if we won't see any of the youngsters at all in the next 10 games I reserve the right to change my mind!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 16, 2021, 03:10:20 PM
He'll either do well, or he won't. Obviously he's got to get to grips with the squad and the fact that we're just outside the relegation places first, but he's got the perfect owners. There can be no excuses for him, jut as there wasn't for Smith after three years.

and based on what he has said so far there won't be. Excuses for him or the players. And as many former managers have found very few ever go on to better jobs. He knows this is a massive chance to really cement his name in the game as a manager vs a former top player.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cdward on November 16, 2021, 04:37:09 PM
To paraphrase SG when i have seen him talking about the players, Aston Villa right now, for a PL manager is set up for success.
There can be no excuses.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 16, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
To paraphrase SG when i have seen him talking about the players, Aston Villa right now, for a PL manager is set up for success.
There can be no excuses.


And this is the thing, any manager worth his salt will look at the potential of an opportunity, not the current situation.  Which I why I'd hoped we'd have set our sights higher than Gerrard, but now he's here I hope he's more successful than he could've dreamt.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: amfy on November 16, 2021, 06:49:13 PM

When the criticsm boils down to he's boring or trite quotes of BFR, it should be easy to spot.

I also said I was happy to get behind him and could tell he talked a lot of sense.

I thought Steve Gerrard was boring to listen before I’d ever heard of Dean Smith. Dean Smith has come & gone, Steve Gerrard still speaks in a dull scouse monotone. Steve Gerrard being boring has sod all to do with Dean Smith, or whether I accept him as Villa manager. It isn’t even a criticism, just an observation.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: CT Villan on November 16, 2021, 07:07:16 PM
I think this appointment is hope, potential and commercial revenue generation in equal measures.

The reality is that we can analyze it 'til the cows come home but we have to give it a good couple of months minimum before reassessing.

I will admit to feeling some cognitive dissonance due to still seeing SG as a Liverpool player rather than a manager, though that is entirely my problem and not his.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ROBBO on November 16, 2021, 07:34:10 PM
If Dean Smith had little input in the players we bought then who does? It seems odd to me that Gerrard would not have any say.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2021, 07:55:45 PM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club
Why would SG not be held to the same targets ? you could easily argue that the Board were pretty generous with Smith.
He will get plenty of support but the expectations remain, continual improvement until we are competing at the top end of the league.
Sorry - I expect him to be held to the same standards - and there is nothing to suggest that he won’t, other than my nagging doubt that this wasn’t only for football reasons. 

I guess I worry he’ll be given more leeway because of his name and the fact that this has CP written all over it.
I think you might be reading a bit to much into it,

His reputation will mean nothing if he loses 5 on the bounce.
If any thing the expectation because of his profile is higher.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 17, 2021, 06:58:48 AM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club
Why would SG not be held to the same targets ? you could easily argue that the Board were pretty generous with Smith.
He will get plenty of support but the expectations remain, continual improvement until we are competing at the top end of the league.
Sorry - I expect him to be held to the same standards - and there is nothing to suggest that he won’t, other than my nagging doubt that this wasn’t only for football reasons. 

I guess I worry he’ll be given more leeway because of his name and the fact that this has CP written all over it.
I think you might be reading a bit to much into it,

His reputation will mean nothing if he loses 5 on the bounce.
If any thing the expectation because of his profile is higher.

Its not just 5 losses its 9 wins in the whole of 2021. Thats the reason he was sacked and rightly so.

A dreadful win ratio
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 17, 2021, 08:16:26 AM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club
Why would SG not be held to the same targets ? you could easily argue that the Board were pretty generous with Smith.
He will get plenty of support but the expectations remain, continual improvement until we are competing at the top end of the league.
Sorry - I expect him to be held to the same standards - and there is nothing to suggest that he won’t, other than my nagging doubt that this wasn’t only for football reasons. 

I guess I worry he’ll be given more leeway because of his name and the fact that this has CP written all over it.
I think you might be reading a bit to much into it,

His reputation will mean nothing if he loses 5 on the bounce.
If any thing the expectation because of his profile is higher.

Its not just 5 losses its 9 wins in the whole of 2021. Thats the reason he was sacked and rightly so.

A dreadful win ratio
thanks for pointing that out,  ?
 :-\ no one knew :(
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Scratchins on November 17, 2021, 08:33:08 AM
There is a post on FB Aston Villa  - Down Memory Lane quoting a Rangers fan claiming that Steven Gerrard is an IRA lover who took back payments from the Catholics and has joined the English version of Celtic.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 17, 2021, 08:33:55 AM
There's a lot to unpick there.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 17, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
The main thing with him is I have no clue of the club's thinking with the appointment. He's gonna attract names that Smith maybe couldn't? Well fine, we'll see. But hang on, he's charged with getting the youth through so that sort of hints we're not relying on buying big name players? So what is he? A higher profile figurehead who from what he lacks from in experience, is made up by his value to the commercial side?

I've no idea if he's the man to take us forward from Smith because he has no record of doing that.

It is entirely possible that Purslow and our owners genuinely sees something special in Gerrard. Rightly or wrongly. We are not privy to how they have assessed him nor the conversations they have had. I suspect they are convinced he has the personality and skill to become a great manager and that his relative lack of experience is therefore less relevant.

Also if you absolutely had to have a record of doing something in order to get appointed to do that thing, new talent would never come through.
if he conducted himself in the job interview as he did in the recent video, I can see exactly why they went for him. Like most major appointments you tend to go for someone different than their predecessor and SG comes across as opposite to Smith in some ways..
Smith -Laid back, affable, generous
Gerrard- Intense, detailed , ruthless.
I have the same concerns as SB.  Broadly, there seems to be two schools of thought:
1) - Its an underwhelming appointment, CP has just appointed his mate, and this is more about replacing Joe as the face of the football club then anything else.  He has no experience, and no track record of developing bring youth through to the first team
2) - Its a slick appointment, they have spotted an elite manager in the making and moved quickly - and the qualities he showed as a player and in conversation appear to be what were lacking, and the risk it mitigated by the fact Rangers structure and way of playing isn't that different.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.  And only time will tell.  For me, I'm currently closer to the first one, but I hope that I am just being cynical and glass half empty

I just hope that he is held by the board to the same targets that Dean Smith would have been, and that we continue to build a successful and sustainable club
Why would SG not be held to the same targets ? you could easily argue that the Board were pretty generous with Smith.
He will get plenty of support but the expectations remain, continual improvement until we are competing at the top end of the league.
Sorry - I expect him to be held to the same standards - and there is nothing to suggest that he won’t, other than my nagging doubt that this wasn’t only for football reasons. 

I guess I worry he’ll be given more leeway because of his name and the fact that this has CP written all over it.
I think you might be reading a bit to much into it,

His reputation will mean nothing if he loses 5 on the bounce.
If any thing the expectation because of his profile is higher.

Its not just 5 losses its 9 wins in the whole of 2021. Thats the reason he was sacked and rightly so.

A dreadful win ratio
thanks for pointing that out,  ?
 :-\ no one knew :(

Your most welcome.  Any time
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 17, 2021, 09:41:57 AM
There's a lot to unpick there.

Yeah. I mean, those famous Methodist IRA sympathisers.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 17, 2021, 09:42:50 AM
Bit concerned about his latest interview though.

https://youtu.be/zcFJnwmZ7Dc
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: KevinGage on November 17, 2021, 11:42:14 AM
There is a post on FB Aston Villa  - Down Memory Lane quoting a Rangers fan claiming that Steven Gerrard is an IRA lover who took back payments from the Catholics and has joined the English version of Celtic.

Makes sense.

If you still live in the 1600s.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 17, 2021, 12:14:08 PM
Didn't realize he loves Ipswich
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 17, 2021, 01:45:17 PM
I can't remember where I found this so apologies if it was on here, but our new manager did an interview with Robbie Fowler for the latter's podcast earlier this year.  I'm only about 3/4s of the way through but it's a very interesting and enjoyable listen (once you get past the first 20 minutes of Liverpool guff).

https://podfollow.com/the-robbie-fowler-podcast/episode/74a5d7b05ccfdd9b01ba455c78eb04f7e6922b97/view

Here's clearly very focused, very determined, and not at all afraid to say what he thinks.  I can understand how he'd come across well to the Villa's leadership team.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 17, 2021, 02:36:25 PM
Sorry. No way am I accepting their terms!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 17, 2021, 03:29:39 PM
I can't remember where I found this so apologies if it was on here, but our new manager did an interview with Robbie Fowler for the latter's podcast earlier this year.  I'm only about 3/4s of the way through but it's a very interesting and enjoyable listen (once you get past the first 20 minutes of Liverpool guff).

https://podfollow.com/the-robbie-fowler-podcast/episode/74a5d7b05ccfdd9b01ba455c78eb04f7e6922b97/view

Here's clearly very focused, very determined, and not at all afraid to say what he thinks.  I can understand how he'd come across well to the Villa's leadership team.
Very good - thx for sharing.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: darren woolley on November 17, 2021, 07:33:16 PM
I'm really looking forward to Saturday against Brighton and seeing Steven Gerrard get a great reception.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2021, 07:47:36 PM
There's a lot to unpick there.

Yeah. I mean, those famous Methodist IRA sympathisers.

Probably just confused if his old schools are anything to go by. A C of E primary, followed by a Catholic secondary. I have it on unimpeachable authority * that he was poached by an ambitious PE teacher at the secondary school concerned, who may have encouraged young Steven’s parents to opt for said school as Choice 1 when he’d spotted him playing for his primary schoolboy side. 

* an Old Boy I happen to know  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: olaftab on November 17, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
There's a lot to unpick there.

Yeah. I mean, those famous Methodist IRA sympathisers.
Who have all converted to Islam after flirting with Buddhism.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Small Rodent on November 17, 2021, 10:33:24 PM
I'm really looking forward to Saturday against Brighton and seeing Steven Gerrard get a great reception.

I agree. I cannot wait for the first game of the new management team.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 17, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
There is a post on FB Aston Villa  - Down Memory Lane quoting a Rangers fan claiming that Steven Gerrard is an IRA lover who took back payments from the Catholics and has joined the English version of Celtic.

It's easy to jump to the conclusion that the fan that posted it is a bitter, small-minded bigot but what he may mean is
- Stevíe G loves his Individual Retirement Account built up whilst playing for LA Galaxy.
- His daughter Lourdes received money from Catholics when she made her Holy Communion.
- Villa are the only English team to have won one European Cup / CL just like Celtic, a subject Rangers fans love talking about despite never having won it.

See, there's probably an innocent explanation for it. :o

 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 17, 2021, 11:03:18 PM
I see the Keir word filter for Mr Gerrard has been implemented.


Steven Nicks.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 17, 2021, 11:13:10 PM
I see the Keir word filter for Mr Gerrard has been implemented.

I believe they implement it for anyone whose voice amfy finds sleep-inducing. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 06:48:51 AM
So your telling me 1st gerrard press conference villa fans have to pay to watch it live??

What a joke.

Usually 1st manager press conferences would be on sky sports. This should be made free for fans just for hos 1st one
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 10:55:43 AM
Press conference live on sky sports news peeps at 11am
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Nev on November 18, 2021, 11:03:55 AM
Purslow needs to jack his chair up a bit....
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dekko on November 18, 2021, 11:05:23 AM
He's really keen for people not to ask questions about other clubs (ie Liverpool)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Villan82 on November 18, 2021, 11:07:53 AM
I don't have a villa tv subscription so I can't watch as planned.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 11:07:58 AM
He's really keen for people not to ask questions about other clubs (ie Liverpool)

Delighted he said that. Its not about liverpool
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: frank on November 18, 2021, 11:38:45 AM
Great press conference! Once again Gerrard has made a very positive impression and is determined to carry out club forward. I'm really looking forward to Saturday.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Jane on November 18, 2021, 11:41:24 AM
Was a good press conference.  He also obviously got the memo to call us "the Villa" at least once.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 11:44:57 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/6WCPTVZ/20211118-114319.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6WCPTVZ)

Lets get behind him!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 18, 2021, 11:47:22 AM
I don't know Steven, that's a LOT of goals to get over...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 18, 2021, 11:49:19 AM
Mr Gerrard 8.5/10
Purslow 5/10
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 18, 2021, 11:53:05 AM
Claret and blue tie as per protocol I see!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Mr Gerrard 8.5/10
Purslow 5/10

Why what was wrong with purslow?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 18, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
Mr Gerrard 8.5/10
Purslow 5/10

Why what was wrong with purslow?

No insight into why they picked Gerrard as manager apart from platitudes. A bit "look its Steven G! Are you kidding me la" If he'd said the Aston Villa twitter account had got an extra 50k followers since he was announced it would have been something. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 18, 2021, 12:26:15 PM
Anyone got a free link to it?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 18, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
Anyone got a free link to it?

There's a clip on YouTube - https://youtu.be/GUv96VDNHw0

It's all a bit sombre!!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2021, 12:32:23 PM
Mr Gerrard 8.5/10
Purslow 5/10

Why what was wrong with purslow?

Nothing. He stayed mostly out of the way as he should have. He could have gone into specifics as to why they hired Gerrard but he really wasn’t pushed on it by the press so why get into that? Overall the new manager has come across very well in both his Villa one on one with Michelle and today. And as always he will be judged on the pitch and the CEO judged by how successful his appointee is over the course of time.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: DeKuip on November 18, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
New manager/player conferences are about replying to obvious questions with boring answers, and not saying anything to upset the fans of the new or previous club.
What really matters is what he says to the players and coaches before and after every game. So long as that is when he’s at his best, as Dean Smith was, then I’ll be happy.
Good luck Steven & UTV.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 18, 2021, 12:33:51 PM
I've always said I've been impressed with the decisions Purslow has made, and I liked how open he was with us about the Jack business. It's nonetheless true that he does have some unfortunately strong Partridge energy.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 18, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
What I will say is if he can get the players playing with the intensity that he did, he'll be very popular.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2021, 12:43:53 PM
What I will say is if he can get the players playing with the intensity that he did, he'll be very popular.

There is a bit of crazy in his eyes. I think you have to have that to be at the top as he was most of his playing career. The question is can he convey that to being a manager? Roy Keane as an example, for all his fire and energy just couldn’t do it. Many top players get frustrated because they are unable to transfer their passion and drive and combine it with tactical awareness and all of the critical things associated with being a top manager. That’s the biggest question for me. Can he be as good a manager as he was a player? It’s a very big ask.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cdward on November 18, 2021, 12:45:08 PM
So has he banned tomato ketchup or not?

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 18, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
I'm warming to him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 18, 2021, 12:48:05 PM
Thing with Roy Keane was his aura and intensity weren't leavened by the right amount of humility. Keane thought he knew it all, and found out that for all his greatness as a player that the game had actually passed him by. He still refuses to acknowledge this, his punditry being all fire and no ice. Gerrard has stressed humility a lot, and certainly he seems to have gone out of his way to make sure he's up to date tactically, so let's hope.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 18, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
Think Gerrard will be fine with players not being able to match his standards at least technically, He's been at Rangers after all. Keane obviously couldn't adapt to that.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 12:52:05 PM
Mr Gerrard 8.5/10
Purslow 5/10

Why what was wrong with purslow?

Nothing. He stayed mostly out of the way as he should have. He could have gone into specifics as to why they hired Gerrard but he really wasn’t pushed on it by the press so why get into that? Overall the new manager has come across very well in both his Villa one on one with Michelle and today. And as always he will be judged on the pitch and the CEO judged by how successful his appointee is over the course of time.

Yea i would tend to agree with that TV. This isnt the purslow show its gerrards moment. I am under no doubts while he is here he will be focused on this role.

Klopps going nowhere any time soon so his main focus will be suceeding here. I like how respectful he was to us and had no interest talking about liverpool
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2021, 12:53:58 PM
He doesn’t smile a lot. I imagine a player not doing their bit won’t be smiled at much either. We need a bit of nasty around the place again. Especially to get out of the recent run of results. I agree about the humility and as I’ve said before as lovely as a man Dean Smith was we never got enough moments where he came out and said “the result is on me, I got it wrong”. Steven Gerrard has said that at Rangers. Taken ownership for his part in defeats.

Humility and vulnerability are strong and positive character traits. Not weaknesses if he can turn them into moments of reflection and growth.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2021, 12:57:07 PM
Mr Gerrard 8.5/10
Purslow 5/10

Why what was wrong with purslow?

Nothing. He stayed mostly out of the way as he should have. He could have gone into specifics as to why they hired Gerrard but he really wasn’t pushed on it by the press so why get into that? Overall the new manager has come across very well in both his Villa one on one with Michelle and today. And as always he will be judged on the pitch and the CEO judged by how successful his appointee is over the course of time.

Yea i would tend to agree with that TV. This isnt the purslow show its gerrards moment. I am under no doubts while he is here he will be focused on this role.

Klopps going nowhere any time soon so his main focus will be suceeding here. I like how respectful he was to us and had no interest talking about liverpool

Klopp has one of the top jobs in world football. There are only a few that might tempt him to go elsewhere. So unless he gets fired or hangs it up, in the short/medium term at least he’ll be at Liverpool. There is a food chain in everything in life and at the moment we are a long way behind Liverpool. If a player or manager does well with us there is a legitimate step up somewhere. If Steven Gerrard maximizes his current potential with us there may well be a step up for him. We all hope he’s successful with us and ultimately wants to stay long term. The future will sort itself out.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 18, 2021, 01:01:51 PM
He'd be a divvy to follow Klopp anyway. You'd look to do it after Klopp's replacement has failed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: jwarry on November 18, 2021, 01:12:47 PM
Just watched the presser and he said he will play a different way to what has gone on before, or words to that effect.  Wonder why that means?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Just watched the presser and he said he will play a different way to what has gone on before, or words to that effect.  Wonder why that means?

He stressed a strong defence and wants us value possession. And if you look at many of our games this season we’ve not done either of those things well.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 18, 2021, 01:18:08 PM


Humidity and vulnerability are strong and positive character traits.

Hopefully it won’t get too steamy in the changing room.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 18, 2021, 01:18:58 PM
Just watched the presser and he said he will play a different way to what has gone on before, or words to that effect.  Wonder why that means?

Scoring at one end.  Keeping the ball out at the other?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: sickbeggar on November 18, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
I noticed that. I think its either a reference to Kienan Davis' re-emergence as a key player under his stewardship or he's just talking about the not letting in 2+ goals per game thing. Probably the latter.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 18, 2021, 01:23:16 PM


Humidity and vulnerability are strong and positive character traits.

Hopefully it won’t get too steamy in the changing room.

Ah bollocks. Although I do hope it’s smoke from the fire lit under the players arses if they’re not playing well
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2021, 01:23:30 PM


Humidity and vulnerability are strong and positive character traits.

Hopefully it won’t get too steamy in the changing room.
or that he does not experience too much condensation.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Mister E on November 18, 2021, 01:24:07 PM
Anyone got a free link to it?
There's a clip on YouTube - https://youtu.be/GUv96VDNHw0
It's all a bit sombre!!
Both Purslow and Gerrard looked nervous!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 18, 2021, 01:30:54 PM
He comes across very, very well to be fair.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: jwarry on November 18, 2021, 02:10:03 PM
And he said we WILL become a possession based team….
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: jwarry on November 18, 2021, 02:11:55 PM
He comes across very, very well to be fair.

Yes far better than I was expecting
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 18, 2021, 02:16:35 PM
And he said we WILL become a possession based team….

In so many words?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 18, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/november/18/watch--steven-gerrard-s-first-press-conference/
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 18, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Monty on November 18, 2021, 02:59:47 PM
And he said we WILL become a possession based team….

In so many words?

Wow, it was literally in so many words! Quote indeed: 'we will become a possession-based team.' Not instantly, naturally, but to state that as the aim so baldly is exciting.

Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.

Let's hope the defensive line is higher...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 18, 2021, 03:02:18 PM
We've seen it at times from Smith's teams. And it's lovely when we're passing it about. I love it when the ball is fizzing about. Of course we'll get pressed to death, and it will take time to change to it. Let's see what happens to results...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: paul_e on November 18, 2021, 03:24:24 PM
And he said we WILL become a possession based team….

In so many words?

Wow, it was literally in so many words! Quote indeed: 'we will become a possession-based team.' Not instantly, naturally, but to state that as the aim so baldly is exciting.

Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.

Let's hope the defensive line is higher...

For me "possession-based team" is a bit meaningless really, I understand why managers say it and I understand why fans think it sounds good but Tony Mowbray made 'possession-based teams' that were fucking shit and bore no comparison to teams like Man City which is what people think of. Even this year Leeds are clearly a possession based team but look completely ineffective compared to last season. Also Lambert had that backwards goal kicks phase where we were often geting 55-60% of the ball but losing without laying a glove on teams. I think possession for the sake of it quickly becomes as negative as 'backs-to-the-wall' defending the box.

I want us to be able to hold onto the ball, I want us to be able to dictate the tempo, I want us to be capable of drawing defenders out of positio n and exploiting the space it creates. If we do all of that whislt averaging 45% possession or 55% possession doesn't mean anything but they're all attributes that people are really interested in. Lets make the posession we have dynamic and effective first and then move from that to dominating the ball without losing any of the impact we've found. I don't want us to start passing it around safe and aimless to get the %s up without really having a plan of why we're doing it.

This isn't negative towards Gerrard because I suspect he will do it the way I want, I just don't like the choice of phrase.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2021, 03:30:18 PM
I think this season in particular we've been extremely generous in sharing possession with the opposition though, and it's hurt us badly in transition.
I can see why they'd single that out as something to address.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 18, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
He wants to sort us out defensively which is good.  A good place to start with that is by keeping possession or more of it.  The premise being, that if the opposition haven't got the ball they can't score.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
A simple way of looking at it is that if you have 55% possession instead of 45%, it's roughly 10 more minutes where the opponent is unlikely to score.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 18, 2021, 03:47:40 PM
Unless you have Richard Dunne in your team, in which case an OG is never too far away.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Villa Lew on November 18, 2021, 03:47:55 PM
Impressed with what I saw, now really looking forward to Saturday, not gonna be easy but going for a Villa win.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: paul_e on November 18, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
I think this season in particular we've been extremely generous in sharing possession with the opposition though, and it's hurt us badly in transition.
I can see why they'd single that out as something to address.
I agree, but that's what I mean by effective possession, giving the ball away in our own half isn't automatically addressed by gonig from 45% possession to 55%. It's by making people think about where and how they play passes, it's about getting people to give the bman on the ball more than 1 option, in some cases it's about realising that putting the ball out of play is the best choice.

On top of that transition, as you say, is a big part of the problem. This season teams have had far too many attempts on goal within 5-10 seconds of getting the ball from us, we've been fucking awful at stopping teams counter-attacking against us and that, along with marking from set pieces, would have been top of my list to address this week.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2021, 03:49:35 PM
He wants to sort us out defensively which is good.  A good place to start with that is by keeping possession or more of it.  The premise being, that if the opposition haven't got the ball they can't score.

Yeah, I don't think the two things are unrelated. Our defenders maybe out of form, but they're going to struggle if we give up the ball with half our team the wrong side of the ball.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 18, 2021, 03:58:22 PM
Didn't put a foot wrong again, and he's not John Terry.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2021, 04:04:02 PM
Didn't put a foot wrong again, and he's not John Terry.

Thank you, I try my best.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cdward on November 18, 2021, 04:08:58 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 18, 2021, 04:13:26 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.

His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 18, 2021, 04:42:27 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.

His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.

No matter what happens on the football front he will always be the Villa manager with the best full head of hair in great condition. Gregory is the only one who comes close but with the aid of Greecian.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: cdward on November 18, 2021, 04:45:16 PM
Did he do a Head and Shoulders ad once?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 04:50:52 PM
Just watched it all full. Not sure about the purslow criticism he handled the media well and answered one stupid question towards the end really well.

As for Steven gerrard thought he was excellent. Looks like a no nonsense manager who means business. The fun and games that we have seen around villa park stops now. All the stupid videos making us look like fools (those computer game ones cringe)

No wonder we look like a soft touch. Is it secondary school or a football club?? Gerrard is going to demand 100% and thats exactly what these players need
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Pete3206 on November 18, 2021, 05:53:49 PM
Quote
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.
Until about 04:55 on Saturday
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: colin69 on November 18, 2021, 06:03:12 PM
Says all the right things. He has something about him that makes me think he’ll do well for us. Nice to hear he wants a run in the cup.
Roll on Saturday.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: 260475 on November 18, 2021, 06:07:50 PM
Going to be great.

All the best for a climb up the table, and maybe a cup run?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rodders on November 18, 2021, 06:24:57 PM
He said "Pacific" in place of "specific."

I was coming round to the idea of his being in charge, but for that reason alone Ah'm oot.

Also - I'm getting the impression that we'll be hearing "first and foremost" quite a lot, his equivalent of Deano's "Yeah No."

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 18, 2021, 06:34:01 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.

His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.

It's definitely wasted on him. He must go to the barbers and ask for a 'police officer in front of a disciplinary commission' look
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 18, 2021, 06:34:18 PM
He said "Pacific" in place of "specific."

I was coming round to the idea of his being in charge, but for that reason alone Ah'm oot.

Also - I'm getting the impression that we'll be hearing "first and foremost" quite a lot, his equivalent of Deano's "Yeah No."



He loves a "first and foremost" doesn't he?

At least we won't be "there or thereabouts"...
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 18, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.

His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.

It’s weird isn’t it? I’m with you. Is there a -phobia for fear of hair?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: dave shelley on November 18, 2021, 06:53:58 PM
Incredibly low hairline on the bloke.
..and not a grey hair in sight.
Not sure how long that will last.

His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.

It’s weird isn’t it? I’m with you. Is there a -phobia for fear of hair?

Tricophobia...now write it out 100 times!   :)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 18, 2021, 06:55:58 PM
The term trichophobia comes from the Greek words that mean “hair” (trichos) and “fear” (phobia). A person who has trichophobia has a persistent fear of hair, particularly seeing or touching loose hairs on the body, clothing, or elsewhere.

https://www.verywellmind.com/trichophobia-coping-with-the-fear-of-hair-4799621
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: thick_mike on November 18, 2021, 06:56:06 PM
Just saw the short clip and had real Ron Saunders vibes. Something about the rhythm of his speech rather than what he said, so I’m 110% behind him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2021, 07:00:36 PM
Just saw the short clip and had real Ron Saunders vibes. Something about the rhythm of his speech rather than what he said, so I’m 110% behind him.

Well it certainly wasn't the hair
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 18, 2021, 07:17:38 PM
Tricophobia.

Thanks Gents 😀

I’m trying really hard to get my head around Gerrard as our manager, not that I think he’ll be crap. I guess I’m still in the grieving stage for Dean.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Beard82 on November 18, 2021, 07:18:36 PM
He said "Pacific" in place of "specific."

I was coming round to the idea of his being in charge, but for that reason alone Ah'm oot.

Also - I'm getting the impression that we'll be hearing "first and foremost" quite a lot, his equivalent of Deano's "Yeah No."



He loves a "first and foremost" doesn't he?

At least we won't be "there or thereabouts"...
The other thing he loves is telling people the first approach was on "the Wednesday"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 18, 2021, 07:20:34 PM
His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.

It's definitely wasted on him. He must go to the barbers and ask for a 'police officer in front of a disciplinary commission' look

You spoke, Stevíe G listened.

Just saw the short clip
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 18, 2021, 07:23:14 PM
Claret and blue tie as per protocol I see!!

Could do with an improved version, wasn't keen on it with the grey suit.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2021, 07:31:49 PM

His hair is the main reason I slightly still hate him. I could do great things with that hair. Alas, alas.

You could try asking him, he might let you.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 18, 2021, 07:48:11 PM
I have decided he reminds me a bit of Mark Wahlberg.

I think he's trained himself to say first and foremost in the place of yeah of course.

Loved the fact he referenced the FA cup and the possession based elements.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: JJ-AV on November 18, 2021, 07:50:39 PM
I hope I'm wrong but something feels off with this. Seeing Lange, Gerrard and Purslow sitting there just feels odd.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: FrankyH on November 18, 2021, 07:52:02 PM
He has been very good in front of the media . From the interview today , the one quote that made me smile and think yeah lets go , was when he said "I can't wait."
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Rigadon on November 18, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
He came across really well.  They all said the right things and there weren't any bollock-drops.  I honestly think he'll do really well here.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: OCD on November 18, 2021, 08:07:38 PM
He came across really well.  They all said the right things and there weren't any bollock-drops.  I honestly think he'll do really well here.

Small one at the end when SG started to say Liverpool fans before correcting himself.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ian. on November 18, 2021, 08:20:51 PM
I hope I'm wrong but something feels off with this. Seeing Lange, Gerrard and Purslow sitting there just feels odd.

I’ve got the opposite feeling, which is odd as at the beginning I really didn’t want him at all. The more I see the more I’ve warmed to him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 18, 2021, 08:22:14 PM
I hope I'm wrong but something feels off with this. Seeing Lange, Gerrard and Purslow sitting there just feels odd.

I’ve got the opposite feeling, which is odd as at the beginning I really didn’t want him at all. The more I see the more I’ve warmed to him.

Same.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2021, 08:31:57 PM
I hope I'm wrong but something feels off with this. Seeing Lange, Gerrard and Purslow sitting there just feels odd.

Why would it be odd that the new manager is there with the CEO and Sporting Director?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 18, 2021, 08:41:30 PM
Apparently his interview lasted over 5 hours, and they went into huge levels of detail. Does make me wonder how long the other 3 high
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: FrankyH on November 18, 2021, 09:25:50 PM
He came across really well.  They all said the right things and there weren't any bollock-drops.  I honestly think he'll do really well here.

Small one at the end when SG started to say Liverpool fans before correcting himself.

Is that when he was on about Dean Smith being a Villa fan ?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2021, 09:29:09 PM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 18, 2021, 09:31:37 PM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

They said they spoke to/ interviewed 4.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2021, 10:42:02 PM
Good presser from him.

He's played it exactly how it's needed to so far, minimal reference to his former club in England and all focus on us so I think it will stay like that way.

Now for the easy part of getting 3 points a few times before xmas.....
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2021, 10:43:43 PM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

Was report yesterday Lampard was interviewed. May have been the delay in actually approaching Gerrard considering he was number one choice.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Ads on November 18, 2021, 10:44:15 PM
Does anybody have a link to it?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 18, 2021, 10:49:35 PM
There were three other interested candidates that were interviewed.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Legion on November 18, 2021, 10:50:26 PM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

Was report yesterday Lampard was interviewed. May have been the delay in actually approaching Gerrard considering he was number one choice.

How was Lampard considered first choice?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Hillbilly on November 18, 2021, 11:22:50 PM
Did he do a Head and Shoulders ad once?
Nah. That was Ireland and Liverpool supermodel Jason McAteer.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2021, 11:44:36 PM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

Was report yesterday Lampard was interviewed. May have been the delay in actually approaching Gerrard considering he was number one choice.

How was Lampard considered first choice?

No Gerrard was first choice but given we didn't actually properly approach until Wednesday we probably got in contact with Lampard on Monday-Tuesday just to see what his ideas were.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2021, 11:45:29 PM
Does anybody have a link to it?

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/17/how-close-frank-lampard-came-to-joining-aston-villa-before-steven-gerrard-got-the-job-15617809/

Edit: He's a bit deluded if he thinks Leicester will come calling for him post Rodgers.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on November 19, 2021, 06:49:21 AM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

They said they spoke to/ interviewed 4.

Yoi imagine the four were Lampard  martinez Gerrard and that Danish bloke whose names left me.

Out of those four Gerrard all day.  Im ok with Gerrard but suprised we didnt interview any elite european coaches like fonseca or favre
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - New Manager
Post by: algy on November 19, 2021, 07:45:26 AM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

They said they spoke to/ interviewed 4.

Yoi imagine the four were Lampard  martinez Gerrard and that Danish bloke whose names left me.

Out of those four Gerrard all day.  Im ok with Gerrard but suprised we didnt interview any elite european coaches like fonseca or favre
Wasn't there something about us having spoken to Fonseca in October?

To me it sounds more like Gerrard + Lampard + Fonseca + ???. Not sure who the last one would be.

Gerrard may well have been interviewed after them because Lampard & Fonseca are both unemployed, maybe candidate 4 too.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: richtheholtender on November 19, 2021, 07:51:51 AM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

They said they spoke to/ interviewed 4.



And Gerrard said that contact was first made on the Wednesday and had "a few sleepness nights".... despite being announced the following day
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Clive W on November 19, 2021, 08:39:58 AM

Interesting article co-authored by Percy in the DT
Timings seem a bit odd. It suggests the first approach was made Tuesday and yet he was able to prepare for a 5 hour interview the next day, complete with PowerPoint presentation and an analysis of every single player.


Inside the interview: How Steven Gerrard blew Aston Villa away in five-hour meeting

Plus: Gerrard denies Villa role is a 'stepping stone' to Liverpool job and how he can get the best out of two strikers and Emiliano Buendía
By
John Percy
 and
Daniel Zeqiri
18 November 2021 • 10:30pm
 

“Prepared” is one of the Aston Villa slogans and once Steven Gerrard sat down with the club hierarchy, it soon became inevitable he would be the new head coach.

Five hours of intense, highly-detailed talks ended with Gerrard emerging as the No 1 candidate to succeed Dean Smith, ensuring that his sleepless night before the interview was all worthwhile.

Detailing the strengths and weaknesses of every first-team player, he outlined the philosophy behind his possession-based style of play and how he would introduce it into training sessions.

Gerrard also made a comprehensive Powerpoint presentation at the top-secret meeting in London, in front of Villa’s chief executive Christian Purslow and sporting director Johan Lange.

At times, it was not easy. Purslow and Lange both bombarded Gerrard with questions, demanding to know the methodology behind ideas, and how he could transfer his style into the Premier League against certain teams.

'We were blown away with the level of preparation'

Yet the 41-year-old never missed a beat, and the wheels were firmly in motion before his appointment last Thursday.


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“It was an outstanding interview and left us in no doubt that we were on with the right man,” said Purslow.

“From my perspective, we were blown away with the level of preparation, the thoughtfulness, and the clarity around a pretty detailed blueprint.”

Villa’s appointment of Gerrard was completed four days after the dismissal of Smith, and ended a swift but exhaustive process.

After Smith’s sacking was confirmed on Sunday, Villa were inundated with applications.

Utilising data and analytics, Lange worked from an initial list of 20 coaches which were presented to the board, before whittling the short-list down to a final four.

Villa were intent on appointing a manager currently in work: they believed it would be easier for a manager already in the ‘zone’ of daily training sessions and match preparation to make an instant impression.

Frank Lampard, the former Chelsea manager, is understood to have had informal talks with Villa but Gerrard was always high up in their thoughts.

'Interview handled with extreme professionalism'

They made their move by contacting Gerrard’s long-standing representative, Struan Marshall, on Tuesday before the crucial interview the following day.

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After Gerrard’s meeting with Purslow and Lange, he then held talks with Villa’s owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens.

Purslow said: “These are extremely serious business people and their interviews were equally successful with Steven.

“That is a high-pressure, high-stress situation to find yourself in whoever you are and Steven handled it with extreme professionalism.”

Compensation of around £4.5 million was thrashed out with Rangers, for Gerrard and his backroom staff which consists of coaches Michael Beale and Gary McAllister, technical coach Tom Culshaw, head of performance Jordan Milsom and analytics chief Scott Mason.

Mood in training lifted since Gerrard's arrival

After only a few training sessions, the mood around Villa’s Bodymoor Heath training base is vibrant. Sessions have been short and sharp, with standards high.

Gerrard has already held a series of meetings with players over what he expects, and how he plans to implement his style of play.

On Thursday afternoon, it was the first time he had worked with the whole squad after all of the international players returned.

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With players also returning from injury, including Danny Ings, Douglas Luiz, Morgan Sanson and Trezeguet, there is optimism that Villa will quickly climb the table, after five defeats in a row.

Looking further ahead, there are also hopes that Gerrard can help propel Ollie Watkins and Ezri Konsa into Gareth Southgate’s England squad for next year’s World Cup.

Gerrard is also excited about the young prospects coming through the club's academy, including Carney Chukwuemeka, Jaden Philogene-Bidace and Aaron Ramsey, the younger brother of midfielder Jacob.

But, for now, it is all about Saturday’s debut against Brighton. Villa expect a full house and the feel-good factor around the club, which owes a lot to Gerrard’s predecessor Smith, is underlined by a waiting list of over 20,000 for season tickets.

Purslow believes the “sky is the limit” for Villa under Gerrard, and if the next few years resemble his job interview, there will be no stone unturned in the pursuit of progress.

Gerrard denies Villa a 'stepping stone' to Liverpool job

By John Percy

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Gerrard has not even taken his first game but is already dismissing the theory that managing Aston Villa is a “stepping stone” towards a return to Liverpool.

Aston Villa face Brighton on Saturday in Gerrard's first match in charge CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
Gerrard was unveiled as Villa’s new head coach on Thursday and outlined his fierce determination to succeed in the Premier League with one of English football’s “iconic clubs”.

His long association with Liverpool, where he made over 500 appearances as a player, will never be forgotten and the hysteria around his return to Anfield on December 11 is likely to be suffocating.

But Gerrard is already frustrated with the narrative surrounding his former club and believes Villa, the former European Cup winners, can never be viewed as simply another stage in his managerial journey.

“It’s very unfair to describe this club as a stepping stone, and you’ll never hear me say that,” he said.

“I'll give this job everything it needs to be a success, I don't think there's anything wrong with having dreams and aspirations. Liverpool have a world-class coach and if he was to sign a lifetime deal I would be very happy for them and him. Everyone knows what Liverpool means to me, but I’m all in with Aston Villa.

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“I'm as ambitious as anyone, I have confidence and belief in myself and the staff and this group of players. I have confidence that I'll get the right support at the right time to help move this team forward and grow and strive to be better.”

Villa underlined their own commitment to Gerrard by giving him a three-and-a-half year contract worth around £17 million, in what is his first managerial post in the Premier League. 

Gerrard, 41, will take his first game against Brighton and is the latest addition to an all-star list of managers including Jürgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Thomas Tuchel and Brendan Rodgers.

“Facing those managers is something that I am very much looking forward to,” he said.

“I always like to challenge myself, I always like to compete against the best, but having said that I still have amazing respect for all the coaches at this level.

“I am going to have to be on top of my game from a personal point of view, so are my staff, as a group of players we are going to raise our game.

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“That is the only way up the table. I am really excited to be in this league, really looking forward to competing against the best.”

Gerrard revealed that he did receive a message from Klopp shortly after his appointment while he also spoke warmly of the influence on his career by Gérard Houllier, the former Liverpool and Villa manager who died last December.

Steven Gerrard and Gerard Houllier developed a close working relationship CREDIT: REUTERS
“I'm sure Gérard is looking down very proud, I’ll be forever in debt of what he did for me. He really changed me as a person, he helped me a lot as a player and really improved my game intelligence and what it takes to stay at the top level,” said Gerrard.

“He went out of his way to talk to my parents, to see what I was eating and how I was getting on. I used to lean on him for advice. And his advice to me was always ‘go and be the best version of yourself and you won't go too far wrong'.”

Gerrard will demand similar standards from his new squad, who have lost five games in a row to leave the club only two points above the relegation zone.

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Targets are high, with his predecessor Smith given over £300 million to spend on players while ambitious owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens are seeking an eventual return to European competition.

Gerrard wants his squad to be “fearless” as he bids to revive the club’s season. “We all accept it’s a tough, challenging league and we have to act on that and that’s what excites me rather than scares me,” he said.

“The bigger the size of the challenge, the more excited you should be. I was really happy when I walked into the training ground and saw the word ‘Fearless’ up as one of the values of the club.

“I think to get to your end goals, it is a major trait that we have to have. We want to be prepared as well - the two go hand in hand. I cannot really describe the excitement I am feeling now.”

Analysis: Can Gerrard get the best out of two strikers and Buendia?

By Daniel Zeqiri

If Aston Villa are to climb the Premier League table as Gerrard desires, they need strong performances and end product from Ollie Watkins, Danny Ings and Emiliano Buendía. The latter pair were summer signings to fill the void left by Jack Grealish's departure while Watkins was a significant £35 million investment in 2020 and enjoyed a good debut campaign.

Emiliano Buendía has not replicated his Norwich form at Aston Villa CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
The problem however, is Villa's most productive trio are two centre-forwards and an attacking midfielder. It is difficult to find a system to accommodate three players of this profile without shunting a reluctant forward into a wide position. Play a more naturally suited option and you lose the goal threat. It's a conundrum coaches of unbalanced squads wrestle with.

The options are a 4-4-2 diamond, an unpopular system these days that demands immense work rate from the side midfielders to deal with switches of play. Or a 3-4-1-2, which Smith experimented with, unsuccessfully so in a dismal display at Arsenal when Smith admitted they were bullied and the game passed Buendía by.

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A promising compromise could be the narrow front three Gerrard employed at Rangers at the sharp end of his 4-3-3, not dissimilar from the way Klopp's forward line operates positionally. Like Mohamed Salah and Sadio Mané, the two players either side of the No 9 operate as inside forwards rather than wingers with full-backs providing width.

This role from the right suits Buendía, who was used to Max Aarons galloping forward on his outside at Norwich. Watkins from the left is perhaps more awkward, but he could still get into goalscoring positions provided he is not tethered to the touchline. Leon Bailey and Bertrand Traoré are also untapped sources of end product who could start scoring more goals in Gerrard's system.

A 4-3-3 with Buendía 'wide' would also allow Gerrard to pick a more robust midfield. Being too lightweight has been a common complaint from Villa fans this season. Their back four and goalkeeper pick themselves.

 


 
 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: villabear on November 19, 2021, 08:45:41 AM
I had reservations.

Liked what he said yesterday.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 19, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
Thanks for posting that, Clive W.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 19, 2021, 10:29:53 AM
He said he didn't go to bed because he was preparing, so I would imagine he went to town on the current squad, issues as he sees them, ways to make it better etc. On a subject you love, you could knock that together with the right data over night.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 19, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
He said he didn't go to bed because he was preparing, so I would imagine he went to town on the current squad, issues as he sees them, ways to make it better etc. On a subject you love, you could knock that together with the right data over night.
Also, just because he may not have been officially approached, he may well have been giving it some thought for a while as it was clear Smith was under pressure.  Certainly I'd guess he would have been doing his homework from the moment Smith was sacked.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Legion on November 19, 2021, 10:42:11 AM
Perhaps Purslow gave him an early heads-up?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Clive W on November 19, 2021, 10:51:41 AM
Thanks for posting that, Clive W.

No problems mate - but I do need to practice my cut and paste skills!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: ozzjim on November 19, 2021, 10:53:51 AM
Perhaps Purslow gave him an early heads-up?

At the cinema on his regular night out with Steven?

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: OCD on November 19, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
He said he didn't go to bed because he was preparing, so I would imagine he went to town on the current squad, issues as he sees them, ways to make it better etc. On a subject you love, you could knock that together with the right data over night.
Also, just because he may not have been officially approached, he may well have been giving it some thought for a while as it was clear Smith was under pressure.  Certainly I'd guess he would have been doing his homework from the moment Smith was sacked.

His team probably worked on it too.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: sid1964 on November 19, 2021, 11:06:17 AM
Thanks for posting Clive W

Who ever we would of appointed as Manager would not get 100% fan approval - it is good to read that there was a proper interview and not just a tick box exercise.

Lets hope that he is as successful as a previous manager who was born in Liverpool (Mr. Ron Saunders)

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Stu on November 19, 2021, 11:09:58 AM
Birkenhead
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Clive W on November 19, 2021, 11:17:04 AM
Thanks for posting Clive W

Who ever we would of appointed as Manager would not get 100% fan approval - it is good to read that there was a proper interview and not just a tick box exercise.

Lets hope that he is as successful as a previous manager who was born in Liverpool (Mr. Ron Saunders)

You’re welcome Sid

I was marginally against SG - unlike some not because of his hair or boring accent!!

I was just concerned about his lack of Prem L management

But I must confess that having seen his interviews and the calibre of the staff he’s brought with him, I’m really positive now.

Time will tell of course but unless there is a Mystic Meg on these threads any appointment is a gamble
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Ads on November 19, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
Gerrard wasn't born in Liverpool either.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2021, 11:21:20 AM
Gerrard wasn't born in Liverpool either.

Overspill kid isn't he? From a kind of Scouse equivalent of Redditch.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: placeforparks on November 19, 2021, 11:25:52 AM
i had reservations when we were linked with him, given his lack of experience, but he has impressed me in how he has handled himself so far.

he lead by example as a player, and demanded more from those around him. it's pretty clear he has brought those qualities into management and and he will give these players a badly-needed kick up the arse.

lots of games coming up, players coming back, no international distractions, let's get behind him.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Risso on November 19, 2021, 11:39:29 AM
Gerrard wasn't born in Liverpool either.

Overspill kid isn't he? From a kind of Scouse equivalent of Redditch.

Whiston, smack in the middle of woollyback territory. Probably a bit closer to St Helens than it is Liverpool.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: algy on November 19, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Thanks for posting Clive W

Who ever we would of appointed as Manager would not get 100% fan approval - it is good to read that there was a proper interview and not just a tick box exercise.

Lets hope that he is as successful as a previous manager who was born in Liverpool (Mr. Ron Saunders)

You’re welcome Sid

I was marginally against SG - unlike some not because of his hair or boring accent!!

I was just concerned about his lack of Prem L management

But I must confess that having seen his interviews and the calibre of the staff he’s brought with him, I’m really positive now.

Time will tell of course but unless there is a Mystic Meg on these threads any appointment is a gamble
Yeah, I'm similar.  Had early reservations, thinking that he'd been appointed because of his reputation as a player.

Have got the distinct impression, though, that he's a really hard working lad who is quite happy to put in the hours in order to be the best he can be.  Still developing as a coach/manager, but has made sure he's got a strong team around him.  I expect he'll make mistakes, especially this season and probably to some extent next season too.

I think that's possibly where Dean Smith's come unstuck.  It's not so much the results he's got.  He clearly took a step forward in the first season back, just after lockdown.  He took time, and improved.  Things looked more promising in the first half of last season, but fell away in the second half.  This season, he had to prove that he'd overcome the problems in the second half, but he hadn't.  It's not that he's become a worse manager, or that anyone thought that he wouldn't turn it around eventually - he'd done that before.  It's just that he couldn't seem to get past those long runs of poor results.

With Gerrard, I think there'll be patience with him early on.  It's a new challenge for him - he's managed a huge club in "Rangers", but a huge club where he has it fairly easy.  He's managed in a league where it's quite reasonable to expect "Rangers" to have huge levels of possession.  It's a different kettle of fish to expect a sustained, high intensity press when you'd expect to see less of the ball.

It'll be interesting to see if he chooses to water down his style of play to accept the lower possession, or he chooses to push the players more physically to force them to be fit enough to play that way over a whole season (at the risk of 'losing' some of the players - thinking Ings, Mings, Traore & Targett are players who might make it on the high profile casualty list)
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 19, 2021, 04:52:42 PM
He has that look in his eye that says he will not stand any fucking about.

Did he not inherit a bit of a maniac in Morelos yet got him playing out of his skin?

I thought he conducted himself superbly in both interviews, sharp, quick and intelligent answers.

Was not sure at first but to quote our new guy "I'm all in"
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 19, 2021, 05:10:19 PM
Just showing all his goals on sky , bloody loads against us -  Gerard out !
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 19, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
Gerrard sounds the type of manager who likes his players to work hard so Trez would definatley fit the bill for him.

Edit. Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 05:18:41 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 19, 2021, 05:22:34 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Too right.  Beyond hotdogs (which I doubt feature on the Bodymoor Heath menu too often) I can't think of a single situation where ketchup would be a better answer than BBQ sauce!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Legion on November 19, 2021, 05:23:55 PM
Can't wait to see the squad for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2021, 05:37:02 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Too right.  Beyond hotdogs (which I doubt feature on the Bodymoor Heath menu too often) I can't think of a single situation where ketchup would be a better answer than BBQ sauce!

You've let yourself, and your family down there. BBQ sauce is evil, the Japanese Knotweed of condiments.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: brian green on November 19, 2021, 05:41:15 PM
Ketchup is easier to make jokes and puns with than BBQ sauce.  See Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 19, 2021, 06:01:59 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Too right.  Beyond hotdogs (which I doubt feature on the Bodymoor Heath menu too often) I can't think of a single situation where ketchup would be a better answer than BBQ sauce!

I can’t think of a single situation where BBQ sauce would be better than Mayo. Except maybe on a hot dog, but then Ketchup would be better still.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: john e on November 19, 2021, 06:04:07 PM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Clampy on November 19, 2021, 06:14:24 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Source?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: OCD on November 19, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
Didn't he say that he thought it had already been banned before he got there? I don't see why football clubs have a problem with Ketchup and I say that as a nutritionist.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Ad@m on November 19, 2021, 06:44:40 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Too right.  Beyond hotdogs (which I doubt feature on the Bodymoor Heath menu too often) I can't think of a single situation where ketchup would be a better answer than BBQ sauce!

I can’t think of a single situation where BBQ sauce would be better than Mayo. Except maybe on a hot dog, but then Ketchup would be better still.

Mayo?  You absolute deviant!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: not3bad on November 19, 2021, 07:52:31 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Too right.  Beyond hotdogs (which I doubt feature on the Bodymoor Heath menu too often) I can't think of a single situation where ketchup would be a better answer than BBQ sauce!

I can’t think of a single situation where BBQ sauce would be better than Mayo. Except maybe on a hot dog, but then Ketchup would be better still.

Mayo?  You absolute deviant!

Couldn't agree more. Salad cream every time.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Source?

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 19, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
Ooh he's tough he's banned tomato ketchup. ☺

Too right.  Beyond hotdogs (which I doubt feature on the Bodymoor Heath menu too often) I can't think of a single situation where ketchup would be a better answer than BBQ sauce!

You've let yourself, and your family down there. BBQ sauce is evil, the Japanese Knotweed of condiments.

Whilst we have our differences over butter on sausage sandwiches and him assuming  that I look like Adrian Chiles*, which are raw (the differences, not the sausages) and in the public domain, I agree with LeeB.

*Which he will never be forgiven for.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 08:51:31 PM
BBQ sauce is devil's work. I imagine the sty serving it on everything.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 19, 2021, 08:51:50 PM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest

It shows he's no longer in thrall to the 'Reds'.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 08:52:22 PM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest

That's why you're not the manager... It's the detail that's important.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: john e on November 19, 2021, 08:56:02 PM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest

That's why you're not the manager... It's the detail that's important.

Obviously where I’m going wrong
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 08:58:52 PM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest

That's why you're not the manager... It's the detail that's important.

Obviously where I’m going wrong

I'm not sure I can ever trust your judgement again.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 19, 2021, 09:03:47 PM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest

Ketchup needs to be banned, it is fucking horrible and anyone who likes it belongs in hell.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: brian green on November 19, 2021, 09:09:47 PM
It is almost an anagram of kept us up.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2021, 10:28:35 PM
I'm loving the strong feelings expressed via condiments, in 2,000 years there will be wars fought over it.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 19, 2021, 10:30:06 PM
I'm loving the strong feelings expressed via condiments, in 2,000 years there will be wars fought over it.

The Sauce Wars.  Has a ring to it. 
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 19, 2021, 10:39:57 PM
I was talking to a mate of mine from South Africa. He said our poor start to the season means we are already playing ketchup.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: stubbsyandy on November 19, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
It is almost an anagram of kept us up.

😃tinker!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on November 19, 2021, 11:01:09 PM
I wonder if in a couple of months with the benefit of Heinzight , he will regret this decision.

Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on November 19, 2021, 11:02:51 PM
Ok, I’ll take a week’s ban for that one.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 11:26:33 PM
Ok, I’ll take a week’s ban for that one.

Tartare a bit
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Alex77 on November 19, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
Oh here we go, I'm not relishing another punathon.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: adrenachrome on November 19, 2021, 11:52:30 PM
Before the puntathon gets wind in its sails, here is a musical interlude.

And this is why it must be banned from B.H.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 20, 2021, 12:02:51 AM
Id be suprised if anyone else was interviewed to be honest

They said they spoke to/ interviewed 4.



And Gerrard said that contact was first made on the Wednesday and had "a few sleepness nights".... despite being announced the following day

And despite the ITK announcing it on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: BC54 VFC on November 20, 2021, 12:05:08 AM
It is almost an anagram of kept us up.
Not really!
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: adrenachrome on November 20, 2021, 12:11:13 AM
It is almost an anagram of kept us up.
Not really!

It's poetically cryptic, to be fair.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: brian green on November 20, 2021, 08:56:34 AM
And obliquely, phonetically serendipitous is that, spoken, ketchup is what we must do relative to the teams above us.  I refer the honourable posters to the example from Pulp Fiction that I posted a little while ago.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 10:26:14 AM
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It hurts me to say it as a Birmingham City lad, but Steven Gerrard has joined a monster waiting to go off at Aston Villa


So says Troy Deeney.

I like the words he uses. That's the way they see us, the shadow casting monster next door, engulfing them. He's right too. One day, a manner is going to get it right here and our ceiling is whatever we want it to be.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: algy on November 20, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Honestly can’t see how banning ketchup makes a thrupnies worth of difference to anything to be honest

That's why you're not the manager... It's the detail that's important.
Really curious as to what it's meant to achieve, though. Is it a case of getting players in to the mindset that they should be thinking about what they're eating, and that ketchup is just the 'fall guy'?

Though I agree that there's very little justification for ketchup usage anyway. Not sure when you'd use it over HP. Maybe with chips if you'd run out of vinegar?
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Rudy65 on November 20, 2021, 10:30:39 AM
Excited for the game today like a kid On Xmas day

Said to my son 6 months ago when Dean was struggling to get Gerrard in during the summer. Said the same again after Wolves. I think he is going to be great for us👍🙏🤞
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 20, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Excited for the game today like a kid On Xmas day

I think he is going to be great for us👍🙏🤞

Me too. Let's hope we're still excited at 5pm.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: eamonn on November 20, 2021, 02:37:59 PM
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It hurts me to say it as a Birmingham City lad, but Steven Gerrard has joined a monster waiting to go off at Aston Villa


So says Troy Deeney.

I like the words he uses. That's the way they see us, the shadow casting monster next door, engulfing them. He's right too. One day, a manner is going to get it right here and our ceiling is whatever we want it to be.

Now do you regret we never took him as a player? Troy might have sorted-out the ragbag of teammates under Di Matteo and Bruce in our first year in the Ch'shit.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: Steve67 on November 20, 2021, 04:56:40 PM
Great to see the passion at the side of the pitch, MacPhee joining in too.  Stops the rot and gives us some forward momentum at last.
Title: Re: Steven Gerrard - Our Manager
Post by: hipkiss92 on November 20, 2021, 05:36:10 PM
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It hurts me to say it as a Birmingham City lad, but Steven Gerrard has joined a monster waiting to go off at Aston Villa


So says Troy Deeney.

I lik