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Title: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 16, 2021, 05:07:11 PM
I’m leaving it like this. Another saturday night of total disappointment
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: bilsim on October 16, 2021, 05:08:10 PM
Stood on the steps of the holte end. I can't recall a more disappointing experience at this ground.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villan82 on October 16, 2021, 05:08:23 PM
it had better be a one-off.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 16, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
Getting strong Leicester 2015 vibes from this start.
Title: Re: Post match thread
Post by: KRS on October 16, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
Total clusterfuck. We got weaker and weaker with each sub. Collective mindset thinking the game was won and in the bag…2-0 up and totally fucked it up.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2021, 05:08:44 PM
Too livid to offer anything reasonable or rational. Fucking disaster is where I will start and end it.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 05:09:12 PM
Lower league managers get you lower league results.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SaddVillan on October 16, 2021, 05:09:39 PM
Shambolic.

Inability to keep the ball.
Silly fouls.
Lack of concentration.

They're just basic errors which players at that level shouldn't be making.

2-0 up with 10mins plus injury time to go, where's the basic game management to see it out.

Three shite goals conceded.

Smith will get the flak, but the players are to blame, a collective failure in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: dutchvilla on October 16, 2021, 05:09:48 PM
Axel awful and a complete lack of leadership and composure from pretty much everyone. Fundamentally though, the formation made sense away to man utd but that doesn't make it right for every other game
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: wince on October 16, 2021, 05:10:10 PM
Fuck the lot of them. Switched off when thought game was won. Powder puff tactics and outsmarted by an average wolves team.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 16, 2021, 05:10:34 PM
absolute shite from the minute Ings scored.
Smith got schooled by their changes - no reaction at all from us once they scored their first.

Poor by Smith and the defence.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2021, 05:10:42 PM
Had to nip out after 70 mins or so, 2-0 up. Nice play for first goal but average enough that aside
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 16, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
Wolves bycfar the better cream first half we somehow managed to go 2 up then defended like small Heath. We got jittery and completely threw it.  We really didn’t deserve anything if truth be told sorry
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 16, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
I am, quite frankly, sick of today’s performance.

2-0 up with 10 mins to go. At home. And we lose 3-2.

That is one amazing achievement. Tactics, substitutions, lack of leadership. Lack of gamesmanship. Lack of a good pair of bollocks.

I haven’t been quite so disappointed in a long time (we’ll probably since last season!). But that was simply unacceptable today.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rory on October 16, 2021, 05:12:00 PM
Very poor to lose from that position, regardless of who we're playing.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: TonyD on October 16, 2021, 05:12:30 PM
Bravo Dean.  You don’t make subs when we really need them and when you do make subs you make the wrong ones.  I’ve seen enough now. This is nothing about gaining experience a PL manager.  It’s bleeding obvious basic stuff.  Hause should be playing instead of Mings or Axel.  Again obvious stuff. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 05:12:44 PM
That was an utter, utter shambles. 5-3-2 is fucking shit, Watkins looks worse than Davis and Smith’s game management and subs were dire. Wes was at the game and stormed off at the final whistle, hopefully on the blower to a new manager.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 16, 2021, 05:12:58 PM
To think people wanted to get the international break out of the way.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villan82 on October 16, 2021, 05:13:57 PM
Somebody said he doesn't make subs when we need them and when he does make subs they are often crap. Whoever you are, you nailed it.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 16, 2021, 05:14:06 PM
A pathetic fucking surrender. Furious.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: baddowvillans on October 16, 2021, 05:14:17 PM
Why not Hause for Cash and Axel to right back?  Surely that makes us stronger particularly as Wolves always looked like bringing Himenez on to cause trouble
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: mr-villa on October 16, 2021, 05:14:33 PM
Failure to take the first half chances I think was the key.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2021, 05:15:00 PM
Wont comment until tomorrow.  Just kicked a fuckin hole in the garden shed.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: OzVilla on October 16, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Season defining.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: KRS on October 16, 2021, 05:17:12 PM
I can understand taking Luiz off if he was knackered with the international game but bringing on Nakamba will always weaken our midfield…what I don’t understand is why he brought off Buendia (who was having a good game) and Cash for Ramsey and Young…there was absolutely no need for either sub with 10-15 mins to go and 2-0 up. Absolutely piss poor game management.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rory on October 16, 2021, 05:17:15 PM
To think people wanted to get the international break out of the way.

"One must, in one's life, make a choice between boredom and suffering."

(And fuck me, Villa know how to make us suffer.)
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: TonyD on October 16, 2021, 05:17:23 PM
Special mentions for Mings, Watkins and Targett today.   They were garbage but yet stayed on the pitch.   
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2021, 05:17:25 PM
Absolutely unacceptable. Complete absence of leadership on and off the pitch. Unprofessional.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PhilVill on October 16, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
I'm afraid Dean will not have a luxury of a run of  slump games this year and that's two consecutive games of piss poor moments. The owners (quite rightly) will expect genuine progress from last season and they will pull the trigger if they conclude this manager isn't going to deliver it. I really thought these sort of debacles were a thing of the past. The players also need to take a good look at themselves too, woeful game management.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ian. on October 16, 2021, 05:19:10 PM
Smith has to take the blame for this. The shape was all over the place at the end. I understand the need to take Luiz off as he was struggling which is no surprise but Buendía was playing very well. Cash was too, why did he go off?

We could have or should have easily won that, they looked like they wasn’t going to score for another hundred years.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Bad English on October 16, 2021, 05:19:55 PM
Woeful and unacceptable capitulation. Sort it out Dean!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: BC Villain on October 16, 2021, 05:20:05 PM
The nagging doubts about DS and his in-game management surface again.  Unacceptable, especially in front of Wes Edens
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villan82 on October 16, 2021, 05:20:32 PM
Stoke, Leicester and...let's hope today isn't in that league.

I am livid with the manager. livid.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2021, 05:20:46 PM
Season defining.

Not sure about that but it was sadly not surprising.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 16, 2021, 05:21:06 PM
Wank, bastard bolliocks cunting fuck !
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: steamer on October 16, 2021, 05:21:17 PM
need to wait before commenting
How the fuck do you concede 3 goals in the last 15
Every sub was useless
If Axel is the answer I do not know the question and who on the pitch was in charge, Did Bunedia play in the last 20 mins
Fucking unbelievable
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: rooboy316 on October 16, 2021, 05:22:35 PM
I’m really fucked off.

I get Smith takes some of the blame, but surely there was enough leaders on the pitch to manage the game with some composure and sort the shape out better. So sloppy and lethargic, and that’s why it’s so annoying. Effort and concentration are things they can control.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 16, 2021, 05:22:37 PM
need to wait before commenting
How the fuck do you concede 3 goals in the last 15
Every sub was useless
If Axel is the answer I do not know the question and who on the pitch was in charge, Did Bunedia play in the last 20 mins
Fucking unbelievable
We went south when Buendia went off
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Beard82 on October 16, 2021, 05:22:54 PM
That was awful.  Really bad.

Lack of leadership, couldn't keep the ball after their first goal went in I don't think we did a single thing right.

Formation doesn't seem to work, let in 3 against Chelsea & Wolves and 2 against spurs.  Doesn't suit our only left-back.  Though I guess with Troare and Bailey out, it might swing his options. 

Thought Buendia looked good though

Apparently, Wes was there today?  Starting to get worried for Dean again, if we lose against Arsenal the table won't make good reading.  Think he's been unlucky with injuries and internationals etc. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Smithy on October 16, 2021, 05:23:32 PM
I can understand taking Luiz off if he was knackered with the international game but bringing on Nakamba will always weaken our midfield…what I don’t understand is why he brought off Buendia (who was having a good game) and Cash for Ramsey and Young…there was absolutely no need for either sub with 10-15 mins to go and 2-0 up. Absolutely piss poor game management.

Cash was injured (his thigh was strapped on the bench) - I suspect Young was brought on for game management reasons, an old head to see out the last 15-20 mins. Fat load of good that was...

The Buendia sub surprised me the most.  He didn't look tired, and had literally just won the ball back in the middle third with his pressing.

After they got the first, I said to my missus - "we'll end up with a point now, you watch".  I wish I'd been right...
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2021, 05:25:09 PM
It’s a crying shame that both of John McGinn’s superb goals have come in disastrous losses.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Marton on October 16, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
If we got this special set piece coach...
Does he work with scenarios when the other guys got set piece?
Sure didn't look like it...
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 16, 2021, 05:25:31 PM
Very lackadaisical attitude among the players after we went two up I thought. The manager maybe could have done better with subs but I thought the senior pros let things slide too.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: nordenvillain on October 16, 2021, 05:25:37 PM
need to wait before commenting
How the fuck do you concede 3 goals in the last 15
Every sub was useless
If Axel is the answer I do not know the question and who on the pitch was in charge, Did Bunedia play in the last 20 mins
Fucking unbelievable
[/quoteThink you'll find Buendia was subbed for Ramsey after 74 minutes. And for those questioning Cash's going off, he looked like he was injured to me.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: KRS on October 16, 2021, 05:26:22 PM
Thanks. Didn’t realise Cash had a knock. Their second and the draw felt inevitable after the first…to lose it with 10 minutes to go is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
If Cash was injured why not move Konsa over to right back, he's played there before and never let us down, quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Mellin on October 16, 2021, 05:27:09 PM
Was just about to host the 17:00 meeting at work when the alert came through for 3-2. Supposed to challenge any issues from the day. Zero challenges and rushed through it, as was verging on unhinged. Still am. Complete disgrace and I’m not one for losing my rag over football.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 05:27:16 PM
The defence was a fucking disgrace. Just completely acceptable. Looking forward to hearing Gormless’s excuses tonight.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AlwaysVilla on October 16, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
I cant see the owners pulling the trigger on Smith unless we start heading toward the relegation zone. They are rebuilding the club with Smith at the heart of their planning so it would be be a brave move to tear that up and go with a new manager with different ideas. Worryingly Smith seems to be exposed more often than not for his tactics and In game management . Even today after leading 2 nil and Wolves still looking the better team he took our most dangerous player off  in Buendia  allowing them to push further forward hence Coady and Saiss getting into dangerous positions. The total ineffectiveness of Watkins and Ings adding to this. I suspect Smith will be the master of his own Downfall by continuing with this formation, and he does like to stick with things,doesn't he?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 16, 2021, 05:30:08 PM
You know when a side goes a goal up against Villa and you just know that we won't equalise even if we played until midnight? How come Villa are never that comfortable in the lead?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 05:31:05 PM
What does Young offer now?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 05:32:05 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 16, 2021, 05:32:17 PM
we did nothing right after going 2-0 up
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: David_Nab on October 16, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
Cash was injured , he was holding his thigh and had ice on it on the bench.

The subs all wrong , 2-0 up then concede one ,why does he persist with 2 up top ? It feels we are not playing 3-5-2 as he can't/ wont decide on one from Watkins and Ings .Also no suprise we concede from corners with Hause out of the side , he is by far the most commanding CB we have in the air .

Mings summed up by getting booked for time wasting , so poor on the ball all game and shanked it numerous times.

Longs balls ..ffs why do we still play so many aimless balls down the fucking lines over and over and lose possession !!!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Damo70 on October 16, 2021, 05:35:42 PM
I would say they snatched the game away from us in a similar way we did to them at their place last season.
Sadly I was proved right earlier in the week when I told several people that I thought the odds of Wolves winning at 12/5 was a tempting price. I should have swallowed my Villa pride and backed against us.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 16, 2021, 05:37:19 PM
Watkins is so uncomfortable playing with a partner. We spent a load on another striker and are trying to force him into a system meant for one.

I don't like to project, but certainly up front it seems like a frustrated group. I don't like the feel of Villa since O'Kelly left, frankly.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on October 16, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
One of the "great" Villa capitulations... However, I'm optimistic that it won't be era-ending (Stoke) or season defining (Leicester).
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 05:38:44 PM
One of the "great" Villa capitulations... However, I'm optimistic that it won't be era-ending (Stoke) or season defining (Leicester).

It will with this manager.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: TonyD on October 16, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
Buendia looked good today.  With Doug/McGinn/Buendia we have decent midfield.   In fact we overall have a decent squad.  Need a decent coach. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 05:43:07 PM
You've allowed ****** that supported Man Utd 5 years ago and who will support Newcastle next year to lord it over us. Parhetic management from a guy who should be managing a wetherspoons.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2021, 05:46:50 PM
Is that 3 out of 8 games this season where we’ve conceded 3 goals in a half? Can’t remember if that was the case against Chelsea, but it definitely is against Watford and Wolves. Absolutely unacceptable and I doubt our owners will tolerate this over a sustained period.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Vegas on October 16, 2021, 05:48:41 PM
We really brought that capitulation on ourselves. Thought we were pretty good and definitely the better side for 70 mins.

Mings totally lost the plot, Tuanzebe had a shocker, Watkins looks a shadow off last seasons player, but there were also positives for 70 mins - McGinn was great, Buendia looked sharper, Luiz was doing ok, Cash was good and targett was good defensively, still shite at crossing.

But the sitting back, general panic, poor substitutes were really worrying. Weird stuff happens but that looked clueless, school boy stuff
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 05:48:57 PM


17 minute match highlights.
https://ourmatch.me/16-10-2021-aston-villa-vs-wolverhampton-wanderers/


Sky Sports highlights
https://www.skysports.com/premier-league-highlights/video/36504/12435672/wolves-snatch-late-victory-in-stunning-comeback

Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 16, 2021, 05:49:24 PM
Not happy, I rarely get this annoyed about a result. Last time was Burnley away in Jan.

But sometimes that's just how football is. We got the last minute penalty at their place last season and they got the last minute deflected free-kick this year. Fortunately I don't know any Wolves fans.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 16, 2021, 05:49:30 PM
The fact this happened week in, week out under Lambert and so yet rarely under Smith tells you all you need to know. No cause for panic.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 16, 2021, 05:49:53 PM
I would say they snatched the game away from us in a similar way we did to them at their place last season.
Sadly I was proved right earlier in the week when I told several people that I thought the odds of Wolves winning at 12/5 was a tempting price. I should have swallowed my Villa pride and backed against us.
If you back against us I'm sorry you're a shyster
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ez on October 16, 2021, 05:50:25 PM
I turned it off when Ramsey gave away that free kick. Sometimes you just know.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rigadon on October 16, 2021, 05:51:24 PM
I turned it off when Ramsey gave away that free kick. Sometimes you just know.

Yup.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Small Rodent on October 16, 2021, 05:52:25 PM
Whoever said at half-time that substitutions would win the game was correct.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 05:53:35 PM
Substitutions lost us the game.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 05:53:59 PM
Disappointed And deflated
Wolves were brighter then Villa took control and match was for taking cane out second half and in command.
McGinn was great today and scored when needed for 2 goal cushion.
I thought Ings took 1st goal well and he should have scored with opportunity through on goal.
Buendia was lively and promising.

Targett just fails tike and again in crossing positions
Cash has no left foot but did look way better than Targett again as an attacking wing back

Mings and Watkins were poor and below standard
Tuanzebe should have cleared the ball for the second.

Please can we leave this 3 at the back and 2 wing back system alone now as that was an almighty collapse and one that really deflated us very quickly from being on  great high and comfortable with some great football at times


Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: levico on October 16, 2021, 05:54:59 PM
Looks like the old Villa is alive and kicking after all.

Pivotal match in all probability. This season ain’t gonna be pretty.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: David_Nab on October 16, 2021, 05:57:39 PM
Substitutions lost us the game.

Not according to Smith , he says the subs had no relevance on the goal ......
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 16, 2021, 06:01:01 PM
Very disappointing.
Thought Hause should have started ahead of Tuanzebe.
How many positions has Young played in this season? He hasn't looked good in any of them. Cover for Cash is laughable. Guilbert should have been retained.
Smith clearly made some errors in his substitutions, but those calling for him to go...well it's not even worth commenting on some of the b/s I've seen.
UTV!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 16, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
At a food festival in a small Devon town and fuck me, Dogheads everywhere.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 06:05:32 PM
Martinez 6 5
great save by amazing run by Trarore

Targett 5 .5
own goal and can't cross the ball. Made some good tackles but liabilities for a goal allowing Dendocker to get ball back across as well as squandering opportunities in attacking sense as little composure in attack as wing back.

Konsa 6
Did well in the main.

Tuanzebe 5.5
made an awful free kick back pass and also didn't clear the ball for the goal hashed up

Mings 5.5
wild kicks at times and needless yellow card

Cash 6
If he had a left foot then would have scored 2 goals really good getting forward


McGinn 8.5
 Best player on the pitch. Outrageous skills and made the goal for ings superb. Several times he turned the midfielders of Wolves around spinning away from them in middle of park
 Also lovely strike (deflected) for goal. More with that attitude and we would have confirmed the win.

Douglas Luiz 6.5
Casual at times. But OK before subbed.

Buendia 7.5
Spirited and neat play. Very good. Disappointed he was subbed

Watkins 6
 greedy and lacked awareness on ball  many times also picked up booking and was moaning to ref  a bit

Ings 7.5
Great goal
Should have had a hat trick.
Should have scored when put through on goal by Buendia
Should have scored with a free header from Corner.

Ramsey 5.5 gave away free kick for goal
Nakamba  5 didn't close anyone down offers little
Young 5.5 OK and came on as a replacement for injured Cash.


Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rigadon on October 16, 2021, 06:05:55 PM
That was reminiscent of those games vs Man Utd when they did us 2-3 in the final moments.  With it being the dog heads - I couldn't give two fucks about them - it is slightly less gutting.  But the collapse was very similar.

We are a mid-table team getting mid-table results.  You can only hope our confidence doesn't take a big knock, as can be the case when you lose those ones. 

The club is kind of in no-mans-land for me at the moment.  We are clearly not going to spend big enough to compete for the league (like Newcastle will), so I don't know what the aim is really.  Maybe slow and steady improvements, consolidation and... not much else. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: GarTomas on October 16, 2021, 06:07:06 PM
Subs or no subs. You don’t concede the first 2 goals like that at all if you’re switched on.

Wolves came for a draw in the first half. Only when we scored did they actually try to play and to their credit looked ok without threatening. 2-0 to us and we mentally went to sleep.

Smith gets the blame for that mentality. You can’t fault the formation or the subs. Individual mistakes and a collective brain fart cost us.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 16, 2021, 06:12:28 PM
17 minute match highlights.
https://ourmatch.me/16-10-2021-aston-villa-vs-wolverhampton-wanderers/

Thanks FV but I might give it and MOTD a miss.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Le Lapin on October 16, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
That one really hurt. Not sure why this keeps happening,  why the management don't learn from it. Just when you think we are getting momentum we keep fcuking it up for ourselves.  Players and manager need to take a good hard look at themselves.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AV82EC on October 16, 2021, 06:19:26 PM
Typical fucking Villa…
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Steve67 on October 16, 2021, 06:19:33 PM
The goals given away were appalling.  No concentration whatsoever.  Several players standing around ball watching. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 16, 2021, 06:19:41 PM
Just got back. Still in disbelief... but the second their first went in, you could feel it coming in the water.

Lets get the positives out of the way - Buendia looked good, by far the best glimpse of him seen this season, McGinn has his energy back and was an ever present in the middle, Ings - One chance, one goal and worked tirelessly (again!) off the ball, helping to track back and press.

Negatives - EVERYTHING else!

Subs - weakened us immensely! As someone else mentioned previously.... when Cash went off injured, Smith should have brought Hause on for him and pushed Konsa/Axel out to RB.
Mings - Fucking useless! He talks a good game, but it's about time we saw it on the pitch. Not good enough in the main and his usual one a game brain fart became a full dose of the runs today. Should be performing to a MUCH higher standard than he is, especially as our Captain and an England international.
Watkins and Ings - 8 games in and not a glimmer of a partnership forming. Personally, I'd drop Watkins as he looks a shadow of last season's player.
352 - Can we fuck this off now please? Wingers should be back next game hopefully, so can we go with our tried and trusted 451.

Mings needs dropping - Our strongest back two on current form are Hause and Konsa by a country mile. What does it say to the lad who has been immense the past few games, that we have an average loan player and Brain fart Mings jumping in ahead of him. How is that a reward for his performances?

Overall, that was bollocks from everyone involved. Need to draw a line under it and hopefully better days ahead when the likes of Bailey, Traore and Sanson are fully fit.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: andyh on October 16, 2021, 06:20:34 PM
Two fucking shit results in a row.

It’s obvious when todays fuckup started.
It was when Mings panicked and sliced a clearance when under no pressure.
From then on in all our composure was passed up the wall. We became a shambles at the back.

Rubbish substitutions and poor, poor management, both on and off the pitch.

We need to get back on track, and quick.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 16, 2021, 06:22:06 PM
Been thinking a bit about my comment saying Villa feel different at the moment, and undoubtedly Grealish's absence is worth far more than just a get out of jail free card. No lightning rod, no star quality. We might be a better 'team' but I don't think we look better. We're scrabbling for an identity throughout the club, coaches down, and that's not easy.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Vegas on October 16, 2021, 06:22:19 PM
That one really hurt. Not sure why this keeps happening,  why the management don't learn from it. Just when you think we are getting momentum we keep fcuking it up for ourselves.  Players and manager need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Why what keeps happening? Mid table teams are going to win some weeks and lose some weeks. Especially when they have injuries to a couple of their better players
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Beard82 on October 16, 2021, 06:26:25 PM
I havent really enjoyed this season, it feels like we have never got going what with injuries and international breaks.

I really hope today stops 352 being our goto - I think there are times when it works, and I think it is good we have the flexibility to do it - but it doesn't play to the squads strengths. 

At some point we're going to have to accept that Ings and Watkins isn't really working. 

We need to sort this quickly, because the signings we have made in the last 3 windows came here for "the project" that was qualifying for Europe.  We wont have a chance in hell of hanging on to Emi if we finish bottom half again.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: rougegorge on October 16, 2021, 06:26:32 PM
After 75 minutes I couldn't see Wolves doing anything. Podence was the game changer and they did change formation whereas our subs actually made us worse.

Overall, both teams were fairly average, but we were in control despite Mings and Tuanzebe being flaky today.

I could barely believe the equaliser with the defending, and Ramsey was just daft to give away a free kick where he did.

I was hoping I could attribute it all to just a freak of fortune, but I am not so sure.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: charleeco7 on October 16, 2021, 06:26:47 PM
Buendia can play as a ten. The rest is just too shit to post about.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 16, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.

Arsene Wenger at Villa for one. Get that your pissed off, but its just at stupid comment. And really  calling for the managers head two weeks after beating man u away, jesus fucking christ, grow up.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Lsvilla on October 16, 2021, 06:32:21 PM
For those criticising Buendia’s substitution he was asking to be subbed for a good couple of minutes beforehand. Strange as he appeared still full of running but must have known he was knackered I guess.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 16, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
That one really hurt. Not sure why this keeps happening,  why the management don't learn from it. Just when you think we are getting momentum we keep fcuking it up for ourselves.  Players and manager need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Why what keeps happening? Mid table teams are going to win some weeks and lose some weeks. Especially when they have injuries to a couple of their better players

What keeps happening is a failure to get any sort of result from games we should be winning.  Correct, this is what mid table teams do, and fair enough if that's considered to be good enough, but I don't think it's good enough for most Villa fans.  As for the couple of better players out injured, I assume you mean Bailey and Sanson, who have barely played much more than a few hours for us, combined - so that's no excuse.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 16, 2021, 06:35:11 PM
Still can't believe how we lost. We weren't great but to get 2-0 up at 80 mins and throw it away against a very poor Wolves is a disaster. We were never comfortable on the ball and made basic error after basic error. So disappointing that we couldn't manage the game out. Subs made us worse. Particularly disappointed with the back 5 today. Ming's and Axel very poor.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Vegas on October 16, 2021, 06:37:44 PM
That one really hurt. Not sure why this keeps happening,  why the management don't learn from it. Just when you think we are getting momentum we keep fcuking it up for ourselves.  Players and manager need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Why what keeps happening? Mid table teams are going to win some weeks and lose some weeks. Especially when they have injuries to a couple of their better players

What keeps happening is a failure to get any sort of result from games we should be winning.  Correct, this is what mid table teams do, and fair enough if that's considered to be good enough, but I don't think it's good enough for most Villa fans.  As for the couple of better players out injured, I assume you mean Bailey and Sanson, who have barely played much more than a few hours for us, combined - so that's no excuse.

This is the second this season, after Watford? I don’t think your comment that is no excuse to have Bailey unavailable “because he’s been injured before” merits a response to be honest.

We’re all gutted to throw that away today but let’s not spout nonsense.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: wince on October 16, 2021, 06:38:57 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.

Arsene Wenger at Villa for one. Get that your pissed off, but its just at stupid comment. And really  calling for the managers head two weeks after beating man u away, jesus fucking christ, grow up.

Beating manure is hardly worthy of club records when you fuck up the next two matches though.

Boils down to if we are bottom half of table again end of season and is that enough?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Stu on October 16, 2021, 06:43:16 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.

Arsene Wenger at Villa for one. Get that your pissed off, but its just at stupid comment. And really  calling for the managers head two weeks after beating man u away, jesus fucking christ, grow up.

Beating manure is hardly worthy of club records when you fuck up the next two matches though.

Boils down to if we are bottom half of table again end of season and is that enough?

I think that if Deano doesn't do better than 11th the owners will pot him.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on October 16, 2021, 06:44:09 PM
I wish I had a quid for every time villa have given away a two-goal lead or an injury time winner. The substitutions threw us completely and our composure collapsed. Big test of our power of recovery from this.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: manic-road on October 16, 2021, 06:44:45 PM
Two up with ten minutes to go and we collapsed, I blame the players for that. I wasn't surprised Dean took off two players that had just travelled back from the other side of the planet as Wolves didn't look threatening at all.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: nick harper on October 16, 2021, 06:52:17 PM
We are finding it hard to keep the ball and play with much composure at the moment. Teams press us and the defenders invariably kick the ball long - much more so than last season.

We are just less than the sum of our parts and prone to lengthy periods of pretty aimless dull football. Sign of an inconsistent side I guess, but Smith needs to find us an identity.

Ings is a top striker but he’s shoehorning the two up top because of him and that’s one of the issues.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on October 16, 2021, 06:55:12 PM
Tuanzebe was abysmal, can we please ditch 3 at the back.

Also there is nothing more infuriating or baffling than Traore somehow getting the better of up to 5 of our players anytime he got the ball, it was our inability to handle him that led to the free kick winner.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 06:55:12 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.

Arsene Wenger at Villa for one. Get that your pissed off, but its just at stupid comment. And really  calling for the managers head two weeks after beating man u away, jesus fucking christ, grow up.

Ridiculous comment.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Skerra on October 16, 2021, 06:56:27 PM
It’s a bit annoying to read that a couple of our “best” players are out injured. How can we say that about Bailey and Sanson as they’ve barely played for us as yet. Maybe better to wait until they’ve played a dozen matches for us but, that could take up to about 2025!!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 06:56:31 PM
Gauling seeing Chilwell scored 3 games in a row and attacking and we have Targett who offering  no attacking threat

If this 3-5-2 was the pre season plan the a real left wing back was needed as Targett has shown he can't play that role I'm the attacking capacity side of things especially

Sooner Ashley Young and the transfer window for a proper wing back the better

Providing that's what we persist with
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 16, 2021, 06:59:29 PM
That one really hurt. Not sure why this keeps happening,  why the management don't learn from it. Just when you think we are getting momentum we keep fcuking it up for ourselves.  Players and manager need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Why what keeps happening? Mid table teams are going to win some weeks and lose some weeks. Especially when they have injuries to a couple of their better players

Correct, this is what mid table teams do, and fair enough if that's considered to be good enough, but I don't think it's good enough for most Villa fans. 

I think most Villa fans are going to have to get used to it because it’s as good as it’s going to get. It’s better than May 2016 and way better than June 2018, so that’s something at least. We didn’t need today’s debacle to tell us this, the activity in the transfer window post Grealish gave us a big clue there. Now Newcastle have been bought you’ll get a reminder of the kind of rapid progression that we’ve seen from others that we can only dream of.
Today’s result is possibly the most annoyed I’ve ever been at a Villa result, not least because these are the sort of games we need to cling onto to win to at least make it a good season for us, the Man Utd result put a lot of credit in the bank but it’s being used up very quickly. As for Smith, he’s fine to keep us ticking over as a club existing in the PL so I suppose it’ll do.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on October 16, 2021, 07:00:39 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.
Yes that useless twat Ron Saunders did it - waste of space......
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 16, 2021, 07:01:25 PM
Axel awful and a complete lack of leadership and composure from pretty much everyone. Fundamentally though, the formation made sense away to man utd but that doesn't make it right for every other game

Correct re Axel but there must be a clause in the loan contract that he has to play x amount   No other explanation as to why he’s picked in front of hause
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Shrek on October 16, 2021, 07:07:49 PM
The main issue is accommodating Ings and Watkins. It doesn’t work and we need Dean to grow a pair and do what’s best for the team.

Deans post match comments were very worrying, said there wa son momentum shift, it was clear from 75 mins there now in the ascendancy.

And on what planet do you bring Young on ahead of Hause?

Dean and the players should be ashamed at that collapse.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Vegas on October 16, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
I agree we shouldn’t play 3 at the back every game, but I think we probably should Vs Arsenal.

I’d probably have Konsa and either Mings or Hause as a 2 on current form, and add the other one if we play 3. Tuanzebe looks the worst of the 4 to me and isn’t our player.

Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 16, 2021, 07:10:27 PM
Yeah that’s about the only comeback I can think of to any leery dog heads ‘it was the shitty Man Utd players fault, we’d have beaten you with 11 Villa players’.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: steamer on October 16, 2021, 07:10:37 PM
Apologies for Buendia not featuring in the last 20 mins, I must have gone for a pee when Ramsey replaced him

Seriously need to look at the back 3 Axel was crap and Mings is 50/50 for me. How can you get booked for wasting time at home with so long left after being warned to get on with it. It set the tone for rest of game.
Watkins and Ings not working , but Ings scores
compare the leadership of Coady urging the Dogheads on to us
Bad night and pissed off
Pull finger Dean or else the Knives will be out
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on October 16, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
From the moment they pulled back the first goal it was depressingly predictable.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 16, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
It’s a bit annoying to read that a couple of our “best” players are out injured. How can we say that about Bailey and Sanson as they’ve barely played for us as yet. Maybe better to wait until they’ve played a dozen matches for us but, that could take up to about 2025!!

That's what I said a little earlier, and was reprimanded for spouting nonsense.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2021, 07:13:03 PM
The 3-5-2 makes sense for certain games - not all the time. Dean needs to be more flexible and not wait for things to fail before changing.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2021, 07:15:17 PM
Mings summed up by getting booked for time wasting , so poor on the ball all game and shanked it numerous times.

Longs balls ..ffs why do we still play so many aimless balls down the fucking lines over and over and lose possession !!!

Those are obviously the instructions. It wasn't the first time we've tried it and it's failed miserably. It took me about 15 minutes into the game to see we were once again relying on Mings to hoof the ball down the left to nobody and once again it was pointless. I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: richtheholtender on October 16, 2021, 07:18:37 PM
it had better be a one-off.




Been doing it for decades. Won't change any time soon.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 16, 2021, 07:20:21 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.
Yes that useless twat Ron Saunders did it - waste of space......

Purely out of interest, when was that?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 16, 2021, 07:20:55 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.
Yes that useless twat Ron Saunders did it - waste of space......

Purely out of interest, when was that?

Spurs, 1979.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: mr-villa on October 16, 2021, 07:21:05 PM
I wish I had a quid for every time villa have given away a two-goal lead or an injury time winner. The substitutions threw us completely and our composure collapsed. Big test of our power of recovery from this.

You wouldn't be very wealthy
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ian. on October 16, 2021, 07:21:32 PM
The 3-5-2 makes sense for certain games - not all the time. Dean needs to be more flexible and not wait for things to fail before changing.

It’s worked out today for large parts but with Luiz struggling, Cash getting injured and being over run in midfield, today’s substitutions should have also had a shuffle in formation. It was a monumental cock up.

Before the substitutions though we was getting quite sloppy with the ball right across the park. We went from being quite comfortable to absolutely shocking.

Luiz tiring didn’t help at all. These international games really play havoc for our team and we don’t have the resources like some teams with players playing the other side of the bloody world.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villafirst on October 16, 2021, 07:23:00 PM
When Cash went off (yet another muscle injury?) Konsa or Tuanzebe should've gone to right back and Hause brought on. Stupid challenge by Ramsey in that position to give away the free-kick for their 3rd goal. Midfield was non-existent for the last 10 minutes. Hugely disappointing.....
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 16, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
No semi decent manager loses a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Shameful result.

Paul Lambert would be ashamed.
Yes that useless twat Ron Saunders did it - waste of space......

Purely out of interest, when was that?

Spurs, 1979.

I remember that game well, and was there, but thought it was later than that.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 07:29:49 PM
It’s a crying shame that both of John McGinn’s superb goals have come in disastrous losses.
he was fantastic today and we are going to struggle to hold onto him.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: colin69 on October 16, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
Shame  Buendia had to go off as I thought he was really playing well.
Tuenzebe was poor today, especially his passing.
IMO Mings was the best of the 3 until the later stages but then got booked needlessly.
Ings and Watkins just does not work.
Thought both teams were very average but we just went to pieces at the end.
Unfortunately I do think the next few games are make or break for Dean.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: tomd2103 on October 16, 2021, 07:35:30 PM
The 3-5-2 makes sense for certain games - not all the time. Dean needs to be more flexible and not wait for things to fail before changing.

It’s worked out today for large parts but with Luiz struggling, Cash getting injured and being over run in midfield, today’s substitutions should have also had a shuffle in formation. It was a monumental cock up.

Before the substitutions though we was getting quite sloppy with the ball right across the park. We went from being quite comfortable to absolutely shocking.

Luiz tiring didn’t help at all. These international games really play havoc for our team and we don’t have the resources like some teams with players playing the other side of the bloody world.

Was at the game earlier and agree that there was nothing wrong with the formation today for most of the game.  We were the better side (albeit Wolves were pretty poor) and comfortable at 2-0.  The defending on the corners for their first two goals was really poor though and we seemed to struggle to clear the ball properly at times throughout the game. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
Disagree Tom, there were gaps in our midfield and Wolves were too poor to exploit them.
There is no understanding between Ollie and Ings.
Our wing backs run back into the fullback positions at the first sign of trouble so we are unable to fill the gaps in the middle.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Beard82 on October 16, 2021, 07:45:23 PM
I think the formation is a good one to have and be able to play but not every game  - but we need more flexibility.  Bailey didn’t come here to play Wingback and Buendia didn’t come here to be on the bench 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rigadon on October 16, 2021, 07:45:52 PM
Ollie Watkins body language looks different to me. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 07:52:10 PM
Ollie Watkins body language looks different to me.
was thinking he still hasn’t got over the injury.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2021, 07:52:35 PM
Not sure what to say. It's humiliating to lose like this but it happens. When momentum changed  at about the time Luiz went off Dean failed to spot it and Mings did not assert enough leadership on the pitch to pull the team together.
A terrible last 10 minutes display and a hark back to 2015/16 season.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Beard82 on October 16, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
Ollie Watkins body language looks different to me.
Think he plays better with wide players currently he's being asked too often to provide the width by running for Mings hoofs
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2021, 07:53:20 PM
For those criticising Buendia’s substitution he was asking to be subbed for a good couple of minutes beforehand. Strange as he appeared still full of running but must have known he was knackered I guess.
That for me too. I spotted his request to be subbed but then noticed his next two interventions were strong however he must have known. Today was probably his best game for us.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2021, 07:57:15 PM
For those criticising Buendia’s substitution he was asking to be subbed for a good couple of minutes beforehand. Strange as he appeared still full of running but must have known he was knackered I guess.
That for me too. I spotted his request to be subbed but then noticed his next two interventions were strong however he must have known. Today was probably his best game for us.

His link up play with Cash plus SJM were the only real positives I took from today.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 07:59:53 PM
Having the misfortune to live in Wolverhampton, Just fuck off.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2021, 08:06:38 PM
Dean Smith’s excuses were fucking astonishingly stupid.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2021, 08:08:17 PM
Having the misfortune to live in Wolverhampton, Just fuck off.

Fuck..I sympathise with you.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2021, 08:11:12 PM
Having the misfortune to live in Wolverhampton, Just fuck off.
Feel for you Luke. Those last 10 minute + injury time and final whistle were not comfortable watching the fuckers going mental.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 08:12:44 PM
Having the misfortune to live in Wolverhampton, Just fuck off.

Fuck..I sympathise with you.
Yes and today made it a lot worse, I think the mustard 4 fingered orcs enjoyed their day at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2021, 08:12:54 PM
Having the misfortune to live in Wolverhampton, Just fuck off.
Feel for you Luke. Those last 10 minute + injury time and final whistle were not comfortable watching the fuckers going mental.

My only tiny bit of salvation, is that my best mate left when they were 2-0 down.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2021, 08:13:12 PM
Dean Smith’s excuses were fucking astonishingly stupid.

He said it was a failure of game management. By the players.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 16, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
4 pints of San Mig hasn’t numbed the pain. Still utterly bewildered .
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: john2710 on October 16, 2021, 08:16:16 PM
For 80 mins we were sloppy & they were worse. We were fortunate to be 2 up. Once they scored we went to pieces. We just didn't deal with the second ball in that final 15 mins & failed to clear the ball.

With 5 at the back & no wingers we lack fluidity & ability to get the ball forward. Full backs aren't good enough to be wing backs. Ings & Watkins isn't working.

There's not much wrong that wouldn't be fixed with Bailey & a formation change. I think Dean will be starting to worry, it won't take much for people to turn on him.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 16, 2021, 08:17:22 PM
For me this is on the players not the manager.

People criticising the formation but we were 2-0 up and cruising.

Substitutiions : Luis off for Nakamba - plenty of times on here Smith been caned for leaving tired players on the pitch.
Buendia for Ramsey - aim was to shore it up at 2-0. If he hadn't done this people would have asked why he didnt. Personally I'd have left Buendia on but this sub isn't why the defence fell apart in the last 10 minutes.
Cash off - he was injured. Yes he could have put Hause on but plenty of comments after the last game he played that he should never play again at this level. Major revisionism at work.

We had enough warnings when we tried to play out from our own box and gave the ball away. Piss poor defending from the set pieces cost us - thats not a management issue, thats the players - including one England international and one who many people think should be.

Ramsey fouling Traore on the edge of the box at the end was blind panic - but the foul should have been made 20 yards further back, by players that should have known to do that.

For me this is on the players and they need to take a long look at themselves.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 16, 2021, 08:18:48 PM
Having the misfortune to live in Wolverhampton, Just fuck off.
Feel for you Luke. Those last 10 minute + injury time and final whistle were not comfortable watching the fuckers going mental.

I wont be going down town tomorrow lunch time as the dog heads will only wind me up so a walk in the forest will be my afternoon.  I fuckin hate football.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: steamer on October 16, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
For 80 mins we were sloppy & they were worse. We were fortunate to be 2 up. Once they scored we went to pieces. We just didn't deal with the second ball in that final 15 mins & failed to clear the ball.

With 5 at the back & no wingers we lack fluidity & ability to get the ball forward. Full backs aren't good enough to be wing backs. Ings & Watkins isn't working.

There's not much wrong that wouldn't be fixed with Bailey & a formation change. I think Dean will be starting to worry, it won't take much for people to turn on him.

Agree with this
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 08:33:41 PM
For 80 mins we were sloppy & they were worse. We were fortunate to be 2 up. Once they scored we went to pieces. We just didn't deal with the second ball in that final 15 mins & failed to clear the ball.

With 5 at the back & no wingers we lack fluidity & ability to get the ball forward. Full backs aren't good enough to be wing backs. Ings & Watkins isn't working.

There's not much wrong that wouldn't be fixed with Bailey & a formation change. I think Dean will be starting to worry, it won't take much for people to turn on him.

Agree with this
exactly how I saw it.
We have some tricky fixtures starting at Arsenal, lose that and Smith will be under a lot of pressure.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2021, 08:39:51 PM
I'd have sacked Smith out of blind fury for that if I'd have been NSWE. A totally shambolic and disjointed affair entirely of his creation.

Beyond unacceptable.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 16, 2021, 08:42:32 PM
I'd have sacked Smith out of blind fury for that if I'd have been NSWE. A totally shambolic and disjointed affair entirely of his creation.

Beyond unacceptable.

I've said this before, you're a poster I generally consider balanced and reasoned. For that reason, I'd be interested to hear which of Smith's decisions you were unhappy with at the time he made them?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AV82EC on October 16, 2021, 08:45:05 PM
As pissed off as I am, I’d say that I thought we looked pretty comfortable until Doug and Emi had to come off, Traore aside they’d looked utterly toothless. To then not see the game out is majorly on the players in my view. My only criticism of Dean was Young coming on and not Hause.

Overall 3-5-2 just isn’t doing it for me, and as the system means wingbacks are vitally important I don’t think Targett is good enough though Cash shows promise.

Oh well, we go again…..
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2021, 08:46:15 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.



Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villafirst on October 16, 2021, 08:47:51 PM
We still haven't fielded a full-strength team some 2 plus months into the season. These f*****g injuries and International breaks are doing my head in. We need Bailey fit asap. Mind you, we were sloppy with our ball control and poor passing on too many occasions today. You simply can't do that at this top level without getting punished.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: TonyD on October 16, 2021, 08:49:15 PM
Bringing on or starting Nakamba is always a risk.

You never know which player is going to turn up.

It can be the half decent and tidy player.

Or the player that looks terrified of the ball and melts away.   You can’t afford to have players like this in the PL.

He would be in the jumble sale with AEG, Trez and after another shite performance Mings.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 08:59:01 PM
It was the ‘puppy chasing a balloon’ Nakamba today, just like it was the Lambertesque Smith in the dugout.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2021, 09:00:43 PM
Let's fire 3 centre halves into orbit for the foreseeable.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AV82EC on October 16, 2021, 09:00:59 PM
Yep Nakamba got the ball a few times and he was in full on hot potato mode.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 16, 2021, 09:07:52 PM
Nakamba being made the sacrificial lamb as always. Normally plays well for us when he starts.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: dicedlam on October 16, 2021, 09:12:39 PM
What is it with this passing across the back three for about 40 passes before it's launched up the touchline to nobody. Top coaching that..
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 09:13:53 PM
Let's fire 3 centre halves into orbit for the foreseeable.

Agreed if anything come good of the defeat its no more 3 centre backs.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2021, 09:17:42 PM
What was Watkins at for their second goal? Was like he had concrete boots on in our box. He's another one in the team on reputation only currently.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 16, 2021, 09:19:04 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.

I hoped for flexibility depending on opposition, but it seems like Dean is digging his heals in with the same formation every week, makes no sense. From the little we have seen, a fit Bailey has to start which immediately undermines the current formation.
I dont understand thr inflexibility.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 16, 2021, 09:20:15 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.





Hause was  poor against Spurs.

Was the pre-corner sub Cash? And wasn't he injured?

The stifling 3-5-2 had us 2-0 up with 10 to play before the players fell apart
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 16, 2021, 09:21:16 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.

I hoped for flexibility depending on opposition, but it seems like Dean is digging his heals in with the same formation every week, makes no sense. From the little we have seen, a fit Bailey has to start which immediately undermines the current formation.
I dont understand thr inflexibility.

But we don't have a fit Bailey....
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: MalcolmP on October 16, 2021, 09:36:16 PM
When will we learn to leave at least one player up for opposition corners, what f***ing use is Buendia  in the air. As soon as ball is cleared it comes straight back in. Wolves had a great idea in leaving 3 men up, perhaps we should follow
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 16, 2021, 09:39:30 PM
Ahhh fuck it.

I’m still angry. Need more wine.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 16, 2021, 09:43:45 PM
The problem with Nakamba is that he sells himself far too easily. Gets too tight and leaves a big gap in behind.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Beard82 on October 16, 2021, 09:48:03 PM
For me the issue is, other than the second half against Everton and against United we haven’t really played well for an extended period yet this season
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: walsall villain on October 16, 2021, 09:49:10 PM
Losing like that is so hard to take. I thought we were made of sterner stuff. All I hope is that when our wide players are fit we drop the 3-5-2 and play either Ings or Watkins not both. That last 15 minutes is going to be hard to forget.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2021, 09:52:09 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.





I think the formation is a big problem. It works ok when we’re expecting to have our backs against the wall, but at home that should be very rare. Against the likes of Wolves it’s a weak approach and invites pressure. We should be looking to dominate these type of games.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 16, 2021, 09:54:22 PM
Losing like that is so hard to take. I thought we were made of sterner stuff. All I hope is that when our wide players are fit we drop the 3-5-2 and play either Ings or Watkins not both. That last 15 minutes is going to be hard to forget.

We are made of sterner stuff 49 times out of 50. Shit happens. It’s not as if it happens every fortnight like under Lambert.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 09:54:59 PM
Why bring on Young and not Hause? Why not sub Watkins for Archer?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 09:56:08 PM
Ings and Watkins is just not working. Play one or the other.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ROBBO on October 16, 2021, 09:57:04 PM
Nakamba had nothing to do with the loss, rather Ashley Young for Cash was a diabolical decision. The one player I will pick out for criticism is Mings, he has been very poor the last few games and his second half performance was rubbish, he is the Captain and supposed to be the leader on the pitch but we see him taking wild hacks at the ball total lack of composure. Credit To JM and Buendia for their quality. Once we went two up the performance dropped off, Wolves had no option but to attack and we turned to water. Once they scored it was predictable they would get another, we gave up. As for Dean Smith, it's no use blaming the players you are the boss, you pick the team and make the subs and for sure every change you made weakened the side, from 2-0 up we should have been able to hold them comfortably and move up the table but yet again we managed to be what has been so typical of Villa sides through the last couple of years grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 10:00:15 PM
I believe Cash was injured so replacing him was the correct decision. Just not with Young.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2021, 10:15:54 PM
For me the issue is, other than the second half against Everton and against United we haven’t really played well for an extended period yet this season

Was always likely to be this way post Grealish. But after winning at Old Trafford, it's very disappointing to lose back to back against two very average teams.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: vilan461 on October 16, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.




Fully agree---Tuanzebe was their best player first half---Mings head completely went awol after his booking, 3 goals conceded from set pieces just aint good enough even more so with 3 CB,s trying to defend--it didnt work the system needs changing,--i just knew after their first that a defeat was on the cards the players body language was simply awful ,
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: OzVilla on October 16, 2021, 10:33:49 PM
Decided to watch this despite the midnight KO. Absolutely pathetic at the end, no other word for it, real rabbits in headlights stuff and a horrific result for DS. It’s on the lot of them, senior players and management.

Really think Smith will start to feel some heat after this, just feels like a season defining moment but I hope I’m wrong. Just pissed all that hard work at Old Trafford away.

Not a great watch when you’re an anxiety sufferer. Try sleeping after that.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: David_Nab on October 16, 2021, 10:57:51 PM
Mings in the fh gave away a corner when he could of given away a throw in due to dwelling on ball , it carried on most of the game. He instilled no confidence in me watching so no wonder the rest of them fell apart.

The 2 man attack isn't working  as Ing's and Watkins have zero link up play but also as we persist on early long balls down the line that if neither striker gets to the ball just comes back to us into a mf lacking a man as we have 2 up top.Traore and Son are 2 good dribblers with the ball but in the last 2 games we have simply been unable to handle them at all ,which considering we have 5 defenders on the pitch is even more worrying !

The Prodence came on also got at dribbling and we couldn't handle him !!

In the end the 3-5-2 hinder us as the back 5 where all over the place ,the top 2 had no service as the MF was being overun due to lack of numbers.The subs ,well Doug was tired as was Emi in seemed to we had to take them off neither did well.Marv as happens was given no time on ball and Ramsey when he got on ball was wasteful and the foul for the winner was piss poor brought about as the whole team had lost its composure.

Goals conceded is a worry and the improved defence we saw last year is starting to resemble the first year back , perhaps we are feeling the effects of Terrys departure from that area of the coaching team .
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 16, 2021, 11:04:56 PM
Nakamba being made the sacrificial lamb as always. Normally plays well for us when he starts.

Not at Watford he didn't.

In fairness he's usually not that bad coming on to see out a lead, did well a few times last season so it was a logical sub given there was no way Luiz was playing 90 minutes today.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 16, 2021, 11:11:29 PM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.





I think the formation is a big problem. It works ok when we’re expecting to have our backs against the wall, but at home that should be very rare. Against the likes of Wolves it’s a weak approach and invites pressure. We should be looking to dominate these type of games.

In fairness though bar the mad Adama run Wolves barely had a shot for first 70 minutes so not like they were cutting through us at will.

We defended a couple of set pieces appallingly and that can happen with any formation. Less chance of that happening through with Hause on the pitch though imo.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Taylor on October 16, 2021, 11:39:13 PM
I was at the game today (I don’t get to go as often as most). Had Wolves turned up and battered us I would be righty concerned, but Emi hardly had to make a save until the last ten mins, yes it was a shite 10 mins, but the formation and subs by Dean weren’t to blame for that.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: tony scott on October 16, 2021, 11:54:53 PM
What this result does to our already fragile confidence I’ve yet see, but other teams will take notice of our ability to coincide 3 in the last 15 mins. I like Tyrone Mings, but that utterly pointless booking left him vulnerable and he must take the blame for that.  Watkins has stopped closing down effectively, two positives for me EMI starting to look like the player we thought we were buying and it wasn’t against the blues. UTV
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Uknowthescore on October 17, 2021, 12:44:26 AM
I feel sorry for konsa stiuck with them clowns in defence. Poor old kortney house has a blinder against Man U, ok not the best against Tottenham but so was all the other defenders, gets dropped so he can’t play against his former club, id be fuming
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on October 17, 2021, 02:13:17 AM
wolves didn't even throw the kitchen sink at Villa at 2-0 or 2-1. they didn't step it up at all,  the three goals came out of nothing.

One thing I noticed at 2-2 the ball went out of play by the dug out the ball was bouncing around the steps the fans couldn't get it under control to give it back. Smith just stood there, I would have thought he would be encouraging them to get it so we could go for the win. I guess if you've just blown a 2 goal cushion he was thinking I'll take the point now.
 
Ramsey had two great bursts when he came on. Both times he was totally isolated with 3 or 4 orange shirts surrounding him. think he got a shot off or won a corner which was great work considering the lack of short ball option. The holte were singing his name. 5 mins later we all knew what was coming when he made that clumsy tackle.
I'm not sure what to make of Ramsey. Is he a defensive mid or attacking? His main attribute just seems to be running. The rest, passing ok shooting ok, etc. I think he wants to be a dribbler like you know who but they give him  instructions to be  box to box,
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 17, 2021, 02:52:01 AM
What is it with this passing across the back three for about 40 passes before it's launched up the touchline to nobody. Top coaching that..

Yeah, it drives me mental.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: CT Villan on October 17, 2021, 04:13:09 AM
Shower of shite.

Watkins and Tuanzebe were wastes of shirts today.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villafirst on October 17, 2021, 08:40:51 AM
Similar collapses in recent years: Home against Leeds 2-3 in Dec 2018 (Roofe winner 95th minute). Home against Liverpool 1-2 in Nov 2019 (Mane winner 94th minute). Typical sitting back instead of attacking, just like yesterday.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Similar collapses in recent years: Home against Leeds 2-3 in Dec 2018 (Roofe winner 95th minute). Home against Liverpool 1-2 in Nov 2019 (Mane winner 94th minute). Typical sitting back instead of attacking, just like yesterday.

Burnley 3 - Villa 2, Palace 3 - Villa 2 as well. Not last minute like yesterday, but still games we threw away.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 17, 2021, 08:49:45 AM
What really annoyed me was that we could easily have been 3 or 4 up before Wolves scored. They gave us the ball so many times and we either gave it straight back to them or we ran ourselves into dead ends. Then they scored and our complete collapse seemed inevitable from that point. Very very bad day yesterday. Looking at the game in isolation, it exposed Smith’s weaknesses and limitations as a manager and I think it is acceptable to question his style without calling for his head.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 08:50:46 AM
How we managed to do that from a position of comfort with 10 mins to go I'll never understand as long as I've got a hole in my rear, its a good job a poor Tatters side didn't come out of their half for 80 mins, if they'd have done it earlier it might have been a cricket score. I did look at the clock on 78/79 and just had a nagging doubt we'd concede one from a set piece and then be under the cosh.

I dont attach a lot of blame to DS, he picked an adventurous side who played pretty well, not brilliantly but pretty well and were superior in every position. Maybe too adventurous as Buendia and Ings left us a little open without the ball. If there was a catalyst to the cave in it was maybe Mings booking, he seemed to loose his cool a bit after that hacking a few clearances and the panic spread, it was like watching a run on a bank for the last period. If you defend like we did in the last 10 we are going to get punished whoever we play.

Thought McGinn and Targett were very good, interesting to see Buendia but I wasn't that impressed, a little too lightweight and careless with the ball on too many occassions as well as not offering enough defensively. Great pass for Ings 1-on-1 mind. Olly and Ings out of sorts with the latters header from the corner a terrible miss that would have really mattered.

On the bright side, if there is one, I wouldn't take a single one of Wolves starting line up and we'll defend better next time out, it cant be worse. On the down side I guess those snow-washed backwards tramps will think they have a rivalry with us again now.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2021, 09:04:14 AM
Similar collapses in recent years: Home against Leeds 2-3 in Dec 2018 (Roofe winner 95th minute). Home against Liverpool 1-2 in Nov 2019 (Mane winner 94th minute). Typical sitting back instead of attacking, just like yesterday.

Burnley 3 - Villa 2, Palace 3 - Villa 2 as well. Not last minute like yesterday, but still games we threw away.

Against dross too. I can accept a defeat away at Chelsea with a good performance. Even being beat away at Spurs, as the likes of Son are top class and sadly they're not as awful as we'd all really hope they are.

Collapsing, under absolutely zero pressure, as we did yesterday in such short order is a serious alarm bell. Equally the abysmal display at Watford; 2 defeats to rank opposition, yes it can happen but all too frequently.

Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Mister E on October 17, 2021, 09:04:58 AM
For me this is on the players not the manager.
People criticising the formation but we were 2-0 up and cruising.
Substitutiions : Luis off for Nakamba - plenty of times on here Smith been caned for leaving tired players on the pitch.
Buendia for Ramsey - aim was to shore it up at 2-0. If he hadn't done this people would have asked why he didnt. Personally I'd have left Buendia on but this sub isn't why the defence fell apart in the last 10 minutes.
Cash off - he was injured. Yes he could have put Hause on but plenty of comments after the last game he played that he should never play again at this level. Major revisionism at work.
We had enough warnings when we tried to play out from our own box and gave the ball away. Piss poor defending from the set pieces cost us - thats not a management issue, thats the players - including one England international and one who many people think should be.
Ramsey fouling Traore on the edge of the box at the end was blind panic - but the foul should have been made 20 yards further back, by players that should have known to do that.
For me this is on the players and they need to take a long look at themselves.
Yes. Several players had a poor game; Buendia, Luiz, McGinn and Targett (as a defensive resource) played very well. Ings generally did well with the little ball he got.
The 3-5-2 worked well for 3/4 of the game. However, with Luiz tiring and Wolves bringing on more offensive subs at 2-0, the 3-5-2 should really have melted into a 4-3-3 / 4-5-1. To do that  - as I said at the game - Watkin should have come off (he had such a poor game; his decision-making was really not good), along with Tuanzebe (whose passing out of defence was woeful).
Bring on a couple of midfielders and make the team tighter without losing the ability to break into attack; we'd have seen the game out.
Smith was out-managed by Lage who - bringing on Podence - took the initiative.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 09:14:17 AM
Smith was out-managed by Lage who - bringing on Podence - took the initiative.

Hmmm, they didnt venture out of their half for almost the entirity of the game, then threw every attacker they had on the field when 2.0 down with 10 mins to go, then were desperately trying to get some of them into some kind of defensive shape when it was 2-2. DS is understandably getting some stick but that was no masterclass from them, just a lump it in the box and pick up the pieces. It worked but lets not make a dull unadventurous Wolves side into anything they are not.

They got very lucky and we melted.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 17, 2021, 09:14:28 AM
The decision to persist with Tuanzebe, despite him being Wolves most creative outlet from open play.

The decision to persist with Mings, despite him being atrocious at Spurs and equally as dead between the ears today. I feel for Hause.

The decision to make a sub before a corner, given our spectacularly ameutrish defending at the 2nd phase from a set piece 5 minutes before.

The decision to persist with a stifling 532 at home to rank mid table garbage.

I hoped for flexibility depending on opposition, but it seems like Dean is digging his heals in with the same formation every week, makes no sense. From the little we have seen, a fit Bailey has to start which immediately undermines the current formation.
I dont understand thr inflexibility.

But we don't have a fit Bailey....

But we will do, and it will then be even more stifling to any creativity to maintain this current formation. I can see the worth of changing things up for certain challenges, so 352 away at man u, gave us a threat but also more defenders when they were on the attack. But even our probable best performance of the season against Everton, if we’re honest, we didnt really create very much at all until the introduction of Bailey.
I said this last night that i had the hope that we were seeing a period when we changed tactics and formations depending on who were playing. In just seems now, this system is purely to accommodate Ings and Watkins in the same team. Re think needed before Friday night at Arsenal.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: darren woolley on October 17, 2021, 09:21:54 AM
I was gutted leaving Villa Park I thought at 2-0 with twenty minutes left we had it in the bag but little did I know we implode.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 17, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
I think yesterday was one of those freak things that happens sometimes. In all honesty I don't really know how it happened. The hope is that it doesn't affect confidence too much going forward.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
I think yesterday was one of those freak things that happens sometimes. In all honesty I don't really know how it happened. The hope is that it doesn't affect confidence too much going forward.
The players were remonstrating each other after the first, then it got worse after the second and they were on the canvas at the final whistle.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: saint13 on October 17, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
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Leeds & Man Utd at home around the same time. Finished 2 2
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 17, 2021, 09:33:58 AM
How we managed to do that from a position of comfort with 10 mins to go I'll never understand as long as I've got a hole in my rear,

We were never in a position of comfort. Our defence and pissing around with the ball at the back made it uncomfortable throughout. Wolves never gave up and looked like they wanted it more.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rudy65 on October 17, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
I think yesterday was one of those freak things that happens sometimes. In all honesty I don't really know how it happened. The hope is that it doesn't affect confidence too much going forward.

This

I’m not A massive fan of DS tbh but you can’t pin this all on him. The subs seem correct save as Young for Cash and just before a corner is taken. The first two goals were from exquisite build up play and passing which Wolves hadn’t done all game. The third was a wicked deflection. They will never do that again in the space of 14 mins. Just the perfect storm

However we didn’t help ourselves. Watkins, Ings and TArgett all caught out for the first two and a stupid foul for the third. McGinn also had the chance to clear leading up to their second but dallied when he should have put it in row Z. What we needed was some leadership from the senior pro’s and if necessary a bit of gamesmanship to slow the game down. They will have sensed Wolves dominance and acted accordingly

Finally McGinn was excellent for the first 60 mins and the crossing from Targett and Cash is generally abysmal
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Hillbilly on October 17, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
I’m not convinced by Buendia. Feels a bit like the second coming of Carles Gil. Obviously skilful but a bit slow off the mark and easily dispossessed.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: BC Villain on October 17, 2021, 09:39:37 AM
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On the bright side, if there is one, I wouldn't take a single one of Wolves starting line up and we'll defend better next time out, it cant be worse. On the down side I guess those snow-washed backwards tramps will think they have a rivalry with us again now.

Disagree.  I'd certainly take Coady over Mings. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 09:43:47 AM
How we managed to do that from a position of comfort with 10 mins to go I'll never understand as long as I've got a hole in my rear,

We were never in a position of comfort. Our defence and pissing around with the ball at the back made it uncomfortable throughout. Wolves never gave up and looked like they wanted it more.

I disagree, and so do my Tatter mates who were there. They were beaten at 2-0 until we self destructed.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 09:45:46 AM
I’m not convinced by Buendia. Feels a bit like the second coming of Carles Gil. Obviously skilful but a bit slow off the mark and easily dispossessed.

Yup, he needs to be locked in the weights room, he doesnt look like he's got any speed to lose by bulking up.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 17, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
Similar collapses in recent years: Home against Leeds 2-3 in Dec 2018 (Roofe winner 95th minute). Home against Liverpool 1-2 in Nov 2019 (Mane winner 94th minute). Typical sitting back instead of attacking, just like yesterday.
The fact that that’s three times in four years (compare with Lambert, most times we had a lead) suggests it’s anything but ‘typical.’
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 17, 2021, 09:54:28 AM
A selection of my conversation with a baggies fan yesterday on my morning dogwalk.
" I'm hoping the game I'm going to see is better than your effort against Blues". Check.
" It's 2 developing midtable teams so I'm going for a 3-2 either way". Check.
I also moved one seat to my right in the DE Upper for the second half so it's all my fault right?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Smithy on October 17, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
I thought we looked relatively comfortable until Podence came on, and if he hadn't, and it had ended 2-0, no one would have complained about the performance. But he made a massive difference, just in terms of unpredictability - it knocked us right out of our rhythm.  That shouldn't happen, one tricky player (of his level) shouldn't have that much of an effect.

The fact is, they brought on two more attack-minded players on 74 mins to really go for it (with nothing really to lose at 2-0 down), and rather than put our foot on their throat we took off Buendia and put on a slightly more defensive-minded midfielder - that was the big mistake, I think.  I don't think it's a formation thing (the formation got us to 2-0 up), I just think the subs made with 15-ish minutes to go paid off hugely for them, and not at all for us. Dean has to take the blame for the subs, even if Cash coming off was forced on him.

They had three shots on target in the last 20 mins, and they all went in - that's lightning strike territory.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 09:58:28 AM
I thought we looked relatively comfortable until Podence came on, and if he hadn't, and it had ended 2-0, no one would have complained about the performance. But he made a massive difference, just in terms of unpredictability - it knocked us right out of our rhythm.  That shouldn't happen, one tricky player (of his level) shouldn't have that much of an effect.

The fact is, they brought on two more attack-minded players on 74 mins to really go for it (with nothing really to lose at 2-0 down), and rather than put our foot on their throat we took off Buendia and put on a slightly more defensive-minded midfielder - that was the big mistake, I think.  I don't think it's a formation thing (the formation got us to 2-0 up), I just think the subs made with 15-ish minutes to go paid off hugely for them, and not at all for us. Dean has to take the blame for the subs, even if Cash coming off was forced on him.

They had three shots on target in the last 20 mins, and they all went in - that's lightning strike territory.

Pretty much as I saw it although I would have pulled Buendia earlier.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villafirst on October 17, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
Having a top-class winger coming on worked to great effect against Everton. Yesterday, only El Ghazi, who could've been utilised for the last 20 minutes or so. Annoyingly, both Bailey and Traore together with longterm absentee Trezeguet all unavailable. You could also point to Luiz coming off probably due to jetlag certainly changed the midfield defensively - blame these irritating international breaks for this: these small details can all add up particularly towards the last quarter of any game.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on October 17, 2021, 10:15:19 AM
One of the worst capitulations I've seen. Liverpool one a couple of seasons ago felt similar. Wolves barely did anything all game and we gave away 3 awful goals.

My lad says there was some gesturing between Buendia and the bench before his sub.

Players need to take some responsibility. Have we got any leaders out there? Have we got a game plan?

Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 17, 2021, 10:15:27 AM
A day after and it still doesn't feel any less bitter any less galling.

A defeat conjured out of nowhere. A Wolves team with only Traore offering a threat. No Jiminez and Hwang invisible.

Being a good team is as much about mental strength and fortitude as it is technical ability. We have some genuine ability in this team but I fear that we have a soft underbelly, a lack of self-belief that defines the top teams.

When we needed focus and composure we got a collective attack of the jitters.

We have got to get more streetwise and fast.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 17, 2021, 10:18:41 AM
Quickest ban ever. And rightly so. What a twat.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Bad English on October 17, 2021, 10:30:58 AM
Went straight out to the village bar after the game. Had a few Estrellas with SWMBO* and some mates. Went home and watched The Many Saints of Newark with a bottle of nice red Carignan. The film was as shite as The Useless Twats of Aston.

* In my bad books because she couldn't help pissing herself laughing at the third (to be fair, after their first she had announced "you are going to fuck it up, aren't you. Typical Villa!").

Think about that Dean, a random French woman in SW France who doesn't really follow football knew what was going to happen.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Mister E on October 17, 2021, 10:32:34 AM
Smith was out-managed by Lage who - bringing on Podence - took the initiative.
Hmmm, they didnt venture out of their half for almost the entirity of the game, then threw every attacker they had on the field when 2.0 down with 10 mins to go, then were desperately trying to get some of them into some kind of defensive shape when it was 2-2. DS is understandably getting some stick but that was no masterclass from them, just a lump it in the box and pick up the pieces. It worked but lets not make a dull unadventurous Wolves side into anything they are not.
They got very lucky and we melted.
It wasn't a masterclass from Lage, but he out-thought Smith by the end. Smith could have been more proactive at 2-0 without asking the team to hunker down too much.
But I was also agreeing that - in thd end - it was the players on the pitch that failed to see the game out, not Smith.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
Started early.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Villa Lew on October 17, 2021, 10:34:20 AM
The Burnley collapse was bad enough, but this was even worse, can't remember the last time we were 2 up after 80 mins and ended up losing. Thought 2 of the goals could have been avoided, for the 2nd goal Targett has to take some of the blame, he was out of position and allowed Dendoncker to get round the back of him, leaving him unchallenged to make the cross, which resulted in them scoring. Then the 3rd it was a ridiculous challenge by Ramsey on Traore, no need for him to make it, there was plenty of defensive cover.

There are a few positives SJM was superb, one of these days he'll score a cracker and finish on the winning side, also thought Buendia had his best match for us, starting to show, why we paid all that money for him.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Clampy on October 17, 2021, 10:35:53 AM
A grown man starting an account on a football forum just be an arse.  Didn't their parents love them or something?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2021, 10:38:35 AM
A grown man starting an account on a football forum just be an arse.  Didn't their parents love them or something?
Grown man - bit of an assumption that. The evidence doesn't suggest so.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 17, 2021, 10:41:34 AM
Lets be honest and concede we lost the midfield yesterday, Axel was poor as was Mings second half as poor as he was good first half and we were beaten by the better team on the day
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: andyh on October 17, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Didn’t their 2nd Originate from a free kick that was never a free kick?

Nakamba and one of theirs went for a 50/50 and their player went down like he was shot, rolled around in agony and the got straight up to take the free kick.
From that we never really cleared the ball and a few seconds later we conceded?

Form being a team that was over reliant on Joe providing the ammunition, we now seem solely dependent on Cash.
That has got to change.


Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: spk on October 17, 2021, 10:57:33 AM
Wolves r inbreds Staffordshire Staffordshire inbreds
Why don't you fuck off ? Come back when you get those false stereotypes out of your tiny mind. I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 17, 2021, 10:59:48 AM
Didn’t their 2nd Originate from a free kick that was never a free kick?

Nakamba and one of theirs went for a 50/50 and their player went down like he was shot, rolled around in agony and the got straight up to take the free kick.
From that we never really cleared the ball and a few seconds later we conceded?

Form being a team that was over reliant on Joe providing the ammunition, we now seem solely dependent on Cash.
That has got to change.

That was Neves.
He and Countinho do it a lot.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Legion on October 17, 2021, 11:01:32 AM
Gone.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 17, 2021, 11:03:41 AM
Good.
Must have been raining so he couldn't play outside.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on October 17, 2021, 11:08:27 AM
The sad part is once their first goal went in you just knew what was coming.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 17, 2021, 11:14:19 AM
The sad part is once their first goal went in you just knew what was coming.

I had a similar sense of foreboding and other posters have said the same.

We were still 2-1 up though so what does that say about our confidence in the team?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2021, 11:16:00 AM
Stems from Mings. We need leadership and he lost his head. Meanwhile our best centre half by a country mile is playing so far right his average starting position is full back.

We need a centre half as good as Konsa. Had it with Mings. No more excuses. He's not a top half player and a new centre half should be a top priority.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 17, 2021, 11:19:48 AM
It was alarming how we just melted and it does say a lot about confidence. Especially after being in control for what, 75 minutes give or take?

Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2021, 11:21:32 AM
Tuanzabe is not the answer.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 17, 2021, 11:21:41 AM
Just seen a photo of Neves just after he's taken the final free kick. We've got five players in a wall and then Targett is standing on his own about a meter to their left.

I don't understand why he wasn't part of the wall.

Is there some plan in that or has he just gone rogue? I don't get where he is stood?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2021, 11:23:32 AM
It was alarming how we just melted and it does say a lot about confidence. Especially after being in control for what, 75 minutes give or take?
I never felt we were in control, there was plenty of space in front f our defence and Wolves had been awful with the ball in the attacking third.
Once they got one we just collapsed.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
Wolves didn't lay a glove on us. That's the difficult fact to swallow. We got beat by total shite who put 3 set pieces in that the Dog and Duck would have defended better.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Clampy on October 17, 2021, 11:28:31 AM
It was alarming how we just melted and it does say a lot about confidence. Especially after being in control for what, 75 minutes give or take?
I never felt we were in control, there was plenty of space in front f our defence and Wolves had been awful with the ball in the attacking third.
Once they got one we just collapsed.

I thought we were well in control at 2-0. They hardly created anything from memory. We needed people like Bailey and Traore on the bench to bring on to keep at them. Ramsey really wasn't the answer.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on October 17, 2021, 11:34:47 AM
Agree Mings was the catalyst for our implosion, he has an arrogance and carelessness to his play that feeds to the rest of the team. As skipper and centre half he should be a rock. Imagine God or Laursen fly hacking at balls that a quality player would deal with comfortably.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 17, 2021, 11:36:18 AM
Yeah only chance Wolves created of note in first 80 minutes was the mad Adama run so even if we weren't in control in terms of the ball I felt pretty comfortable watching it. We then conceded and totally collapsed mentally, not just on the pitch but in the dugout aswell.

Would be very disappointing if we finish below Wolves this season. They're above us now despite losing their first 3 (which they played well in).
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2021, 11:38:49 AM
They were awful against Brentford. They're midtable, which is where we will end up. Not good enough and it will cost Smith his job.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Smithy on October 17, 2021, 11:41:28 AM
Just seen a photo of Neves just after he's taken the final free kick. We've got five players in a wall and then Targett is standing on his own about a meter to their left.

I don't understand why he wasn't part of the wall.

Is there some plan in that or has he just gone rogue? I don't get where he is stood?

He was marking someone, can’t remember who, but they rolled out the way as the free kick was taken which makes it look like targett was stood in a bad position, he wasn’t. If he’d not been there we would have had an unmarked attacker stood a yard off the side of our wall.  I think he should have done better with the ‘block’ but he was also a little unlucky.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: London Villan on October 17, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
Similar to the burnley game away. Better team by miles, but chuck it away!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 17, 2021, 11:53:58 AM
Just seen a photo of Neves just after he's taken the final free kick. We've got five players in a wall and then Targett is standing on his own about a meter to their left.

I don't understand why he wasn't part of the wall.

Is there some plan in that or has he just gone rogue? I don't get where he is stood?

He was marking someone, can’t remember who, but they rolled out the way as the free kick was taken which makes it look like targett was stood in a bad position, he wasn’t. If he’d not been there we would have had an unmarked attacker stood a yard off the side of our wall.  I think he should have done better with the ‘block’ but he was also a little unlucky.

Ah, OK. I didn't actually watch the free kick at the time. I looked at the floor. My first sense was that he had missed then a split second later the roar...
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Pete3206 on October 17, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
I don't think we were the better team at all. The warning signs were there in the first half when Traore barged through the whole defence and should have scored. We looked disorganised from the get go.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Chris Smith on October 17, 2021, 12:17:02 PM
I don't think we were the better team at all. The warning signs were there in the first half when Traore barged through the whole defence and should have scored. We looked disorganised from the get go.

But that run from Traore was their only real effort before the slapstick at the end.

Without being brilliant we were still the better team for 80 minutes. We then lost our heads and unfortunately the captain who should have been setting the example was the biggest culprit.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Big Ming on October 17, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
Wondering what would happen if we were 2 - 0 up 10 minutes from the end and the entire team decided "job done" and started dreaming about a hot bath and what choice of Restaurant they would be eating at later.

Unforgivable game management from a supposedly professional football team.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: The Edge on October 17, 2021, 12:28:38 PM
I walked into the Holte pub thinking the game was over and commented that the draw felt like a defeat. Then someone shouted "wolves have fucking scored". What an absolute kick in the goolies. When your 2-0 up with ten minutes to go AT HOME you just cannot lose that game. When they sang 2-0 on your big day out I cringed. Fucking stop that please lads it's classless and asking for trouble. Still I shook hands with Sir Brian Little so that made up for the shitfest at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2021, 12:49:11 PM
Didn’t their 2nd Originate from a free kick that was never a free kick?

Nakamba and one of theirs went for a 50/50 and their player went down like he was shot, rolled around in agony and the got straight up to take the free kick.
From that we never really cleared the ball and a few seconds later we conceded?
That was the first goal. Ref played the advantage first and then pulled play back. 
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: john e on October 17, 2021, 12:55:29 PM
I agree with the posters that say we were the better side for eighty minutes I honestly thought we were without being that great
I don’t think Wolves had a an attempt in the first 30 minutes

Problem with us is we are bottle jobs
As soon as there’s a bit of pressure at the end of games we panic Because we’re not technically proficient enough to deal with it




Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 17, 2021, 12:56:54 PM
I have left it until now to comment on the game. Having calmed down the one thing I will say is.....fuck off villa and thanks for me having to put up with a load of shithead dogheads.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Skerra on October 17, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
Don’t think anyone has commented on the possible sending off of Mings. He had already been booked for being a prat. Later, Wolves had been given a goal kick and as he went past the ball, he scooped it up and threw it backwards. If he hadn’t already been booked, the ref would have shown him the yellow card for that. Both Mings and Watkins appear to have gone backwards since they have been in the England squad.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: rooboy316 on October 17, 2021, 02:49:01 PM
The sad part is once their first goal went in you just knew what was coming.

I had a similar sense of foreboding and other posters have said the same.

We were still 2-1 up though so what does that say about our confidence in the team?

It’s the Villa way. Which is why I feel like some of the stick Smith is copping is OTT. Yes he takes some of the blame, but anyone could be in charge of Villa and we’d, well, do a Villa. I think this smarts more than usual because I feel we are on the verge of success, and actually expect to win these games, which hasn’t happened since the MON run. The rest of the last twenty years, I have preemptively channelled apathy to numb the inevitable pain!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Skerra on October 17, 2021, 03:06:56 PM
After the win at manure I really thought we would kick on. Could see us getting 6 points from Spurs and Wolves. Mindset has all changed now as we may get nothing from Arsenal or West Ham. The football we are playing is generally far too slow and predictable. We have spent a lot of money over the past two seasons so am quite disappointed with the results and our general play so far. A club our size and, with the money behind us I really would be expecting us to be pushing for a European place as a minimum.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 17, 2021, 03:18:25 PM
Talking about slow, what happened to taking quick free kicks,we just waiting for the opposition to get organized
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: pomegran on October 17, 2021, 03:21:18 PM
I'm disappointed, like all Villa fans, but we need to keep some perspective.  We've lost our main player and replaced him with 3, one who is fantastic and has brought some valuable experience to our front line, whilst the other 2 are either injured or finding their feet in the team and/or the Premier League.

Although I think it's time to give Hause a good run now, either replacing Mings or Axel. He deserves it.

Let's stay calm and not panic. Leicester are 1 point above us and nobody's panicking there.  We're still finding our feet after a weird pre-season, losing a major talent and bedding in new players. I'm keeping the faith ....
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 17, 2021, 03:26:57 PM
Mings had a weird game. He spent most of it hoofing clearances 100 feet into the air. You'd have thought he was wearing clogs or something.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 17, 2021, 03:31:25 PM
Just seen a photo of Neves just after he's taken the final free kick. We've got five players in a wall and then Targett is standing on his own about a meter to their left.

I don't understand why he wasn't part of the wall.

Is there some plan in that or has he just gone rogue? I don't get where he is stood?

He was marking someone, can’t remember who, but they rolled out the way as the free kick was taken which makes it look like targett was stood in a bad position, he wasn’t. If he’d not been there we would have had an unmarked attacker stood a yard off the side of our wall.  I think he should have done better with the ‘block’ but he was also a little unlucky.

Free kick looked like it was going miles wide so wouldn't shock me if Targett gets another OG.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: achilles on October 17, 2021, 03:38:18 PM
We can all make excuses for what happened but the bottom line is that was absolutely appalling defending by three established centre halves, totally unacceptable! No leadership displayed whatsoever, like children in the playground!
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2021, 03:43:24 PM
Just watching the goals back, I cant find the words to describe just how bad that defending was. Wolves didnt have too do anything clever or out of the ordinary, in fact they had full on reverted to the kind of tactics you'd see from minions in a 3rd round giant killing FA Cup tie, and we completely buckled from it.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 17, 2021, 03:54:20 PM
Just watching the goals back, I cant find the words to describe just how bad that defending was. Wolves didnt have too do anything clever or out of the ordinary, in fact they had full on reverted to the kind of tactics you'd see from minions in a 3rd round giant killing FA Cup tie, and we completely buckled from it.

Yes a bit of a mindslide from us.
Hopefully players will learn from the experience.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: placeforparks on October 17, 2021, 04:02:32 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2021, 04:08:57 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Clampy on October 17, 2021, 04:12:14 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."

All managers say that.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 17, 2021, 04:12:42 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."

What's he going to say though?
I can't think of any examples where managers dig out their own players 5 days after the event.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 17, 2021, 04:14:30 PM
Interesting what he does at Arsenal.

Since Arteta came in the three games have gone as an aggregate of 5-0 to us so Arsenal long since ceased to be an away match you just write off pre kick off anymore.

Lose there though and with West Ham grinding out a good away win just now you'll be looking at one of those frustrating winless runs we get every season under DS and all the pressure that will bring.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: The Edge on October 17, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
{alt}
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.
I was in the lower holte for the first time in ages. As much as I think our owners are great someone really needs to get a grip of match day catering. The queues for a half time tipple were ridiculous and they were pouring beer from cans at an absolute snails pace. And what's happened to the tv's? No half time scores and why have they stopped screening the match? All in all a piss poor experience. Not a happy bunny right now.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: john e on October 17, 2021, 04:51:04 PM
{alt}
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.
I was in 5he lower jolted for the first time in ages. As much as I think our owners are great someone really needs to get a grip of match day catering. The queues for a half time tipple were ridiculous and they were pouring beer from cans at an absolute snails pace. And what's happened to the tv's? No half time scores and why have they stopped screening the match? All in all a piss poor experience. Not a happy bunny right now.

I’ve had some great times in Jolted end myself (left side)
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: The Edge on October 17, 2021, 05:06:01 PM
{alt}
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.
I was in 5he lower jolted for the first time in ages. As much as I think our owners are great someone really needs to get a grip of match day catering. The queues for a half time tipple were ridiculous and they were pouring beer from cans at an absolute snails pace. And what's happened to the tv's? No half time scores and why have they stopped screening the match? All in all a piss poor experience. Not a happy bunny right now.

I’ve had some great times in Jolted end myself (left side)
I edited it out but you were too bloody quick for me
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Skerra on October 17, 2021, 05:30:27 PM
Edge, in complete agreement with you. I only wanted a coffee which took all of half time to get. Shocking service. Not enough staff either.
TV is crap now as you said.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2021, 05:31:25 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."
What the f**k is h supposed to say Risso?. “You know what lads, we’re in a right load of shite at the moment, we’ve lost two in a row, might as well give up and welcome the championship”.  I’ve yet to hear any ideas from your posts, apart from “sack the manager”’ like that’s worked in the past few years.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: john e on October 17, 2021, 05:32:54 PM
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i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.
I was in 5he lower jolted for the first time in ages. As much as I think our owners are great someone really needs to get a grip of match day catering. The queues for a half time tipple were ridiculous and they were pouring beer from cans at an absolute snails pace. And what's happened to the tv's? No half time scores and why have they stopped screening the match? All in all a piss poor experience. Not a happy bunny right now.

I’ve had some great times in Jolted end myself (left side)
I edited it out but you were too bloody quick for me

Story of my life mate so the wife says
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: john e on October 17, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."
What the f**k is h supposed to say Risso?. “You know what lads, we’re in a right load of shite at the moment, we’ve lost two in a row, might as well give up and welcome the championship”.  I’ve yet to hear any ideas from your posts, apart from “sack the manager”’ like that’s worked in the past few years.

It does beg the question though why do press conferences why do we bother Listening to them if everything they say is a complete load of bollocks
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 17, 2021, 05:47:57 PM
I’ve had some great times in Jolted end myself (left side)

Did anyone call you 'Jolted John'?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2021, 05:49:59 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."
What the f**k is h supposed to say Risso?. “You know what lads, we’re in a right load of shite at the moment, we’ve lost two in a row, might as well give up and welcome the championship”.  I’ve yet to hear any ideas from your posts, apart from “sack the manager”’ like that’s worked in the past few years.

It does beg the question though why do press conferences why do we bother Listening to them if everything they say is a complete load of bollocks
Because idiotic journalists ask idiotic questions and get bland anti-controversial answers. Unfortunately the media these days is so dumbed down it beggars belief:
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: john e on October 17, 2021, 06:03:29 PM
I’ve had some great times in Jolted end myself (left side)

Did anyone call you 'Jolted John'?

No but I’ve got a mate called Gordon
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: spartacuss on October 17, 2021, 06:03:58 PM
D.S. should insist that the team watch the last 15 minutes on continuous loop until they scream for it to stop.  Didn't he turn around our abysmal pre-covid lockdown defensive frailties through screen-time training? Oh, and he should also look long and hard at his abysmal substitution strategy and how that contributed to the shambles.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Allan C on October 17, 2021, 06:05:39 PM
Like most posters, I thought we were on top right up to our second goal. Then we started giving the ball away continually and Wolves got confidence from it. The goals were absolutely farcical with rank poor defending. Some are saying that Ings and Watkins isn’t working but I say let’s wait till Watkins is in form before we condemn it. Watkins is clearly way out of form at the moment. I don’t blame Smith for the defeat, we just started to play poorly in the last 10 mins
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2021, 06:27:55 PM
Like most posters, I thought we were on top right up to our second goal. Then we started giving the ball away continually and Wolves got confidence from it. The goals were absolutely farcical with rank poor defending. Some are saying that Ings and Watkins isn’t working but I say let’s wait till Watkins is in form before we condemn it. Watkins is clearly way out of form at the moment. I don’t blame Smith for the defeat, we just started to play poorly in the last 10 mins
How many games should we lose before we change it?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Ian. on October 17, 2021, 06:29:09 PM
I’d like to see Watkins and Ings in a 433 if Bailey isn’t available. If he is, Ings, Bailey and Buendía as the three up top.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Allan C on October 17, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Like most posters, I thought we were on top right up to our second goal. Then we started giving the ball away continually and Wolves got confidence from it. The goals were absolutely farcical with rank poor defending. Some are saying that Ings and Watkins isn’t working but I say let’s wait till Watkins is in form before we condemn it. Watkins is clearly way out of form at the moment. I don’t blame Smith for the defeat, we just started to play poorly in the last 10 mins
How many games should we lose before we change it?
I’d personally persevere with Ollie, his form will be back. As for switching off at 2-0 with 10 mins to go, that’s down to player concentration and I think lesson learned
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Mister E on October 17, 2021, 07:56:46 PM
Stems from Mings. We need leadership and he lost his head. Meanwhile our best centre half by a country mile is playing so far right his average starting position is full back.
We need a centre half as good as Konsa. Had it with Mings. No more excuses. He's not a top half player and a new centre half should be a top priority.
Agree with this. We need much more surety at the back - where's the next Martin Laursen?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Mister E on October 17, 2021, 08:01:16 PM
I don't think we were the better team at all. The warning signs were there in the first half when Traore barged through the whole defence and should have scored. We looked disorganised from the get go.
No, don't agree Pete. Yes, Traore had one or two runs that were dangerous, but Wolves had nothing else going on in the first half and we had several very smart moves that ended up with goal attempts (the best of which was from Ings and McGinn); we should have been up at halftime.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: vilan461 on October 17, 2021, 08:18:44 PM
Don’t think anyone has commented on the possible sending off of Mings. He had already been booked for being a prat. Later, Wolves had been given a goal kick and as he went past the ball, he scooped it up and threw it backwards. If he hadn’t already been booked, the ref would have shown him the yellow card for that. Both Mings and Watkins appear to have gone backwards since they have been in the England squad.
Yes i noticed that and thought what a dumb ass thing to do especially as he was on a yellow---and yes it seems joining the 3 Lions  really scrambles their brains---why?
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: The Edge on October 17, 2021, 08:19:39 PM
I don't think we were the better team at all. The warning signs were there in the first half when Traore barged through the whole defence and should have scored. We looked disorganised from the get go.
No, don't agree Pete. Yes, Traore had one or two runs that were dangerous, but Wolves had nothing else going on in the first half and we had several very smart moves that ended up with goal attempts (the best of which was from Ings and McGinn); we should have been up at halftime.
That was a glorious chance for Ings before half time. A very good save by their keeper but he should not have had the opportunity. Fine margins.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Richard E on October 17, 2021, 08:21:20 PM
Ings had a free header at 2-2 as well.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 17, 2021, 08:26:04 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."
What the f**k is h supposed to say Risso?. “You know what lads, we’re in a right load of shite at the moment, we’ve lost two in a row, might as well give up and welcome the championship”.  I’ve yet to hear any ideas from your posts, apart from “sack the manager”’ like that’s worked in the past few years.

It does beg the question though why do press conferences why do we bother Listening to them if everything they say is a complete load of bollocks
Because idiotic journalists ask idiotic questions and get bland anti-controversial answers. Unfortunately the media these days is so dumbed down it beggars belief:

Indeed.  If it you want to hear how it should be done, watch Big Match Revisited.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 17, 2021, 08:30:00 PM
That was a glorious chance for Ings before half time. A very good save by their keeper but he should not have had the opportunity. Fine margins.

Indeed. He shot across the keeper giving him more time rather than going for the closer right side of him.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 17, 2021, 09:11:37 PM
I was gutted leaving Villa Park I thought at 2-0 with twenty minutes left we had it in the bag but little did I know we implode.

I saw you walking down Trinity Road yesterday Daz, from the other side of the road.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: nodge on October 17, 2021, 09:48:36 PM
i was fuming when they equalised at 2-2, but when they got the free kick, it seemed like half the lower holte knew what was going to happen and made a bolt for the exits, looking over their shoulder at the ensuing car crash as they walked up the stairs.

i've seen us shit the bed before, but never in such style, to a poorer side.

big week ahead for smith and the players. reaction against arsenal will set the tone.

I'm sure we'll get the same old waffle from Smith in next week's press conference. "Good response in training, determined to put it right blah blah, blah."
What the f**k is h supposed to say Risso?. “You know what lads, we’re in a right load of shite at the moment, we’ve lost two in a row, might as well give up and welcome the championship”.  I’ve yet to hear any ideas from your posts, apart from “sack the manager”’ like that’s worked in the past few years.

Well said Taylor
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: ROBBO on October 17, 2021, 11:34:11 PM
Buendia was signaling to the bench that he wanted to come off, when that happened we lost a lot of momentum. There was a period just before their first when we were giving the ball back to them just outside the box not just once but half a dozen times, that was when i started to get nervous. Still believe DS lost us the game with his subs.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 17, 2021, 11:52:39 PM
I don't think we were the better team at all. The warning signs were there in the first half when Traore barged through the whole defence and should have scored. We looked disorganised from the get go.
No, don't agree Pete. Yes, Traore had one or two runs that were dangerous, but Wolves had nothing else going on in the first half and we had several very smart moves that ended up with goal attempts (the best of which was from Ings and McGinn); we should have been up at halftime.
That was a glorious chance for Ings before half time. A very good save by their keeper but he should not have had the opportunity. Fine margins.

Brilliant weight of pass from Buendia for that chance....haven't seen one like that from our number 10 since...
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: robbo1874 on October 18, 2021, 04:33:50 AM
Villa shat it at 2-1. That goal had been coming for a little while and I remember thinking we’re going to fucking lose this. The Spurs defeat you could swallow because they were just about the better side on the day and stopped us playing. This one made me angry because Wilves didn’t look that great and we were 2-0 up. To throw it away like that suggests we may have a few problems. First time I can remember Smith effectively blaming the players. Can’t remember his exact words but it was something like ‘there was nothing wrong with the tactics’ which interpreted as ‘don’t blame me, blame the players’. He’s got such a lot of credit in the bank that I couldn’t envisage even some of our more rabid fans turning on him. But if we don’t get anything from Arsenal or West Ham, it surely won’t be too long before the grumbles start to get louder.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 18, 2021, 10:14:10 AM
I don't think we were the better team at all. The warning signs were there in the first half when Traore barged through the whole defence and should have scored. We looked disorganised from the get go.
No, don't agree Pete. Yes, Traore had one or two runs that were dangerous, but Wolves had nothing else going on in the first half and we had several very smart moves that ended up with goal attempts (the best of which was from Ings and McGinn); we should have been up at halftime.
Why didn't anyone just rip Traore down when he walked through unchallenged. Was poor to see no commitment
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: AV82EC on October 18, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
Forgot the young lad in our Office is a Wolves fan and whilst obviously delighted to be fair to him the first words out his mouth this morning were daylight robbery. Quick chat about the game and he thought they were very lucky to get a result. I think his celebrations lasted most of the weekend though as he looks like shit.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 18, 2021, 12:15:26 PM
Ings had a free header at 2-2 as well.

He did. Should at the very least have hit the target.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Mister E on October 18, 2021, 12:43:02 PM
Interesting that wanky W'ers left 3 out of their own penalty area when defending a corner. I've always felt this is an obvious thing to do - to de-clutter the box and give the keeper a little more space - and am surprised more don't do it (particularly if you have pacy players).
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2021, 12:59:28 PM
Interesting that wanky W'ers left 3 out of their own penalty area when defending a corner. I've always felt this is an obvious thing to do - to de-clutter the box and give the keeper a little more space - and am surprised more don't do it (particularly if you have pacy players).

Second half we brought absolutely everybody back for their corners and free kicks. It meant that the area was too crowded and we didn't have a single player upfield to receive an out ball to release pressure, leading to the dreadful collapse we all witnessed.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 18, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
Haven't we done this before against Wolves?
I'm sure I watched a pre season friendly from the Holte End in the early 90's (?) when we gave up a 2-0 lead and lost 2-3.
Title: Re: Villa vs Wolves - Post debacle thread
Post by: Lsvilla on October 18, 2021, 01:38:02 PM
Interesting that wanky W'ers left 3 out of their own penalty area when defending a corner. I've always felt this is an obvious thing to do - to de-clutter the box and give the keeper a little more space - and am surprised more don't do it (particularly if you have pacy players).
For me when teams do this you have to take a short corner - preferably a quick one as well - to make them bring another out of the box and then there’s plenty of space to try and exploit.
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