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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Demitri_C on October 16, 2021, 02:12:52 PM
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Yeah was disappointed when I saw the three at the back again, but that's an attacking midfield with two up front so let's see.
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Feel a bit sorry for Hause unless he's injured?
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it may be one up front with Watkins left wing and Buendia right wing
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I think Luiz should of been rested with Nakamba coming in.
Hoping for big game from Buendia and to see Sanson
And an impressive win
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I thought it had a look of 343
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Strange selection, going with only 2 in midfield. We might struggle there. Harsh on Hause but Tuanzebe should be a lot better on the ball.
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Hm, could be a 3-4-1-2, like Serie A in the 90s. If so I fully expect James Richardson to present the coverage with a pink newspaper and a massive ice cream.
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Hm, could be a 3-4-1-2, like Serie A in the 90s. If so I fully expect James Richardson to present the coverage with a pink newspaper and a massive ice cream.
he'd be a massive improvement on the pricks that present football these days
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Hmmmmm. Ings and Watkins again.
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Hmmmmm. Ings and Watkins again.
today's the day it clicks.
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Jimenez on the bench for them Traore and their new lad up front.
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No real shock with that team. Feels like the time to give Ramsey a rest for a few weeks given he's dipped a bit and Axel was always going to come back.
Interesting Doug starts. Surely no way he'll last 90 minutes so think I'd rather have had him on the bench given how game will likely pan out.
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Strange selection, going with only 2 in midfield. We might struggle there. Harsh on Hause but Tuanzebe should be a lot better on the ball.
Think Buendia will drop properly into CM when out of possesion. Otherwise yes asking hell of a lot of ground for McGinn and Luiz to cover considering they've been round the world and back over last two weeks. That could be a weak point for us.
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No real shock with that team. Feels like the time to give Ramsey a rest for a few weeks given he's dipped a bit and Axel was always going to come back.
Yeah, but why was Axel always going to come back? What's Hause done wrong? This thing that Axel is some sort of Beckenbauer with the ball, I don't buy.
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I'd have Hause instead of Mings
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No real shock with that team. Feels like the time to give Ramsey a rest for a few weeks given he's dipped a bit and Axel was always going to come back.
Yeah, but why was Axel always going to come back? What's Hause done wrong? This thing that Axel is some sort of Beckenbauer with the ball, I don't buy.
I love Hause but he was uncomfortable v Spurs. Son made him proper lower league for the winner with ease he went past him to get the cross in.
So yes these are standards we need if we're going to head towards top 6 eventually. Likes of Hause and Ramsey dip a bit and so go out of the team given we have good squad depth now.
Dosen't mean they can't come back into team later on in the season and do a good job for us.
Perhaps we'll see Hause today as sub if we're 1 up with 15 minutes left and they put on Jimenez. Perhaps push Axel into DM if Luiz flags around that time.
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No real shock with that team. Feels like the time to give Ramsey a rest for a few weeks given he's dipped a bit and Axel was always going to come back.
Interesting Doug starts. Surely no way he'll last 90 minutes so think I'd rather have had him on the bench given how game will likely pan out.
Hopefully Sanson gets a run today. Might get 20-30 mins when Dougie gets a rest.
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No real shock with that team. Feels like the time to give Ramsey a rest for a few weeks given he's dipped a bit and Axel was always going to come back.
Interesting Doug starts. Surely no way he'll last 90 minutes so think I'd rather have had him on the bench given how game will likely pan out.
Hopefully Sanson gets a run today. Might get 20-30 mins when Dougie gets a rest.
Yeah that's a good option. Sanson hadn't played six months and was thrown in v Chelsea and did more than o.k.
When everyone is fully fit we're going to have a really really good bench full of good options either to see out a game we're winning or if it's poised at 1-1. Hopefully we won't have to wait until May to see it.
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Interested to see how Buendia gets on.
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Of course it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Dean has picked a back three to deal with the dingles and specifically Adama, as AT is quicker than KH?
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All very quiet here :)
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Aston Villa v Wolverhampton Wanderers - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58833891
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I’m struggling to find a way to follow the match ;)
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All very quiet here :)
I know. Where is everyone?
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Nice try McGinn.
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Scrappy game really. One poor error from Axel and glimpse of goal for Buendia apart, not much has gone on really.
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Fucking hell, no Bailey again. Why aren't we allowed to have nice things?
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Fucking hell, no Bailey again. Why aren't we allowed to have nice things?
Because we break them.
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We should have had a corner there. Why can't VAR just have a quick word in the ref's ear and get him to award it?
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Feels very much like a derby game.
It’s not, however.
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How did the reserves get on earlier??
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I'm not happy with the thread title. It's 'Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers' so I can read it in the voice of Len Martin.
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Distribution from the back poor again. Targett needs to be 10 yards further forward to receive the ball, far to flat.
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How did the reserves get on earlier??
Won 1-2.
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How did the reserves get on earlier??
Won 1-2.
Blues had 5 of the first team playing, the Small Heathens aren't happy.
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Ings should be scoring that.
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Yeah, he should have scored. But he's been very involved, Ings. Haven't noticed Ollie yet.
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Buendia starting to spark.
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Ings should be scoring that.
Good save by the Dingle to be fair.
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How did he miss that!
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Sherwood reckons we are all over them
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Sherwood reckons we are all over them
What would Tactics Tim know?
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Fucking hell! If Traoré scores that he almost deserves an umbrella celebration.
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We are the better side in a pretty good game here. Great save by Martinez to deny Adama after a brilliant run but we’ve had the better chances and half chances.
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that sums Adama up - all fart no shit
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That was very good from Adama and Emi, but piss poor from SJM and Axel.
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that sums Adama up - all fart no shit
Really? Took a fine save to stop him scoring on a run from the half way line.
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We keep getting shoved off the ball.
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Watkins has been terrible again. Not sure what's up with him.
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Bloody hell.
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We’ve lost impetus.
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Wolves are no mugs but thankfully neither are we these days
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Archer is going to come on and win this for us. Mark me.
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Buendia is going to be very good for us, I think. Some lovely touches and always looking to do something positive.
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Watkins has been terrible again. Not sure what's up with him.
Yeah, it's a mystery. He's not even pressing like he used to.
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How did the reserves get on earlier??
Won 1-2.
Cheers!!
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Archer is going to come on and win this for us. Mark me.
Mixed emotions for his Dad then. He supports Wolves.
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Cash should have done better there.
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Watkins has been terrible again. Not sure what's up with him.
Yeah, it's a mystery. He's not even pressing like he used to.
Since hes come back its been like playing with 10 men, he needs benching and Archer should be given a chance.
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You can see now and then it looks like we can play some lovely football
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We're great down the right with Cash and Buendia, down the left Mings and Targett, who couldn't cross the road, are creating nothing other than giving the ball back. We need Bailey back asap.
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Been critical of him so far but Buendia been class, finding those pockets of space very nicely.
Decent game for a 0-0 and straight after international break.
Get the feeling this is going to be decided off the bench.
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We're great down the right with Cash and Buendia, down the left Mings and Targett, who couldn't cross the road, are creating nothing other than giving the ball back. We need Bailey back asap.
How many games did Bailey play for Leverkusen last season? Ings doesn't look anywhere near as effective with Watkins. At the moment the pundits appear to be correct when they said they couldnt play together.
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that sums Adama up - all fart no shit
Really? Took a fine save to stop him scoring on a run from the half way line.
yeah, but he's hit it straight at the keeper.
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El Ghazi. Wolf killer today.
You heard it here first.
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You can see now and then it looks like we can play some lovely football
Without really creating clear cut chances......
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El Ghazi. Wolf killer today.
You heard it here first.
last min pen
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You can see now and then it looks like we can play some lovely football
Without really creating clear cut chances......
just one really - Ings in, and a good save - think he should have scored though.
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El Ghazi. Wolf killer today.
You heard it here first.
last min pen
You've jinxed it.
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For us, Buendia has been terrific, really clever and subtle.
For them, Traoré, has there ever been a player so good at one thing and so naff at everything else?
System-wise - hard to judge, but one thing I will say is a danger of wingback systems is that they tend to have chances fall to them, and as we saw a bit with Cash today and definitely with Targett at Old Trafford that can be sub-optimal.
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Ings and Watkins just isn’t working.
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Ings and Watkins just isn’t working.
It's not is it? We look really squashed in.
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Watkins has been really poor.
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that sums Adama up - all fart no shit
Really? Took a fine save to stop him scoring on a run from the half way line.
yeah, but he's hit it straight at the keeper.
Martinez a little fortunate as he was going the other way.
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Ings is really starting to look like a panic signing to pacify the natives after Rat boy. No chemistry at all between him and Watkins
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System-wise - hard to judge, but one thing I will say is a danger of wingback systems is that they tend to have chances fall to them, and as we saw a bit with Cash today and definitely with Targett at Old Trafford that can be sub-optimal.
Cash has had a great half, the link up play and getting the ball into the box has been working very well.
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So play one or the other, then.
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Ings is a quality player and in now way a panic buy. Maybe it's not working yet, but that doesn't mean to say it wont.
Did Watkins play as a two while at Brentford?
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System-wise - hard to judge, but one thing I will say is a danger of wingback systems is that they tend to have chances fall to them, and as we saw a bit with Cash today and definitely with Targett at Old Trafford that can be sub-optimal.
Cash has had a great half, the link up play and getting the ball into the box has been working very well.
He's played really well yeah, but I'm not sure I'd have him over Bert when a shot opens up on the edge of the box.
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Ings is a quality player and in now way a panic buy. Maybe it's not working yet, but that doesn't mean to say it wont.
Did Watkins play as a two while at Brentford?
He played wide, Maupay CF.
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System-wise - hard to judge, but one thing I will say is a danger of wingback systems is that they tend to have chances fall to them, and as we saw a bit with Cash today and definitely with Targett at Old Trafford that can be sub-optimal.
Cash has had a great half, the link up play and getting the ball into the box has been working very well.
He's played really well yeah, but I'm not sure I'd have him over Bert when a shot opens up on the edge of the box.
Like Traore, he tried to break the back of the net. At least down the right we look a threat.
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Why the long halftime?
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Ings is a quality player and in now way a panic buy. Maybe it's not working yet, but that doesn't mean to say it wont.
Did Watkins play as a two while at Brentford?
He played wide, Maupay CF.
Oh yes, I forgot that Maupay was there at the same time.
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Why the long halftime?
Michael Oliver coming up with plans of how to rob us again.
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System-wise - hard to judge, but one thing I will say is a danger of wingback systems is that they tend to have chances fall to them, and as we saw a bit with Cash today and definitely with Targett at Old Trafford that can be sub-optimal.
Cash has had a great half, the link up play and getting the ball into the box has been working very well.
He's played really well yeah, but I'm not sure I'd have him over Bert when a shot opens up on the edge of the box.
Like Traore, he tried to break the back of the net. At least down the right we look a threat.
Was more a criticism of 3 at the back - wouldn't mind seeing both of them down that side.
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Bugger. Targett is such a good defender, but wish he could attack better
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Like the Everton game this could go either way, hard to tell at the moment. People will get frustrated with DS i fhe persists with OW.
Oh there you go.... 1-0
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Ings! Glad for him. He's played really well today.
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Nobody noticed the goal yet?
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Ingsssss
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YAY!
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System-wise - hard to judge, but one thing I will say is a danger of wingback systems is that they tend to have chances fall to them, and as we saw a bit with Cash today and definitely with Targett at Old Trafford that can be sub-optimal.
Cash has had a great half, the link up play and getting the ball into the box has been working very well.
He's played really well yeah, but I'm not sure I'd have him over Bert when a shot opens up on the edge of the box.
Like Traore, he tried to break the back of the net. At least down the right we look a threat.
Was more a criticism of 3 at the back - wouldn't mind seeing both of them down that side.
I'm really struggling to see the point of Axel other than to pass the ball 10 yards to Mings or Konsa.
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1-0.
Ings.
To continue with low key match thread today!
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'Panic buy' ....Retract?
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Get in!!!!! Lovely goal!
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Danny boy!
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Fuckin' A, good stuff!
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Great work from SJM
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Nice one!
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Great goal by the 40 year old.
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Great work from SJM
Since Grealish has gone his game has improved massively. Probably because hes been allowed to get forward.
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Get in!
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Ings is really starting to look like a panic signing to pacify the natives after Rat boy.
Yup.
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We attacking the Holte this half?
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Come on Ollie sort yourself out lad
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Come on Ollie sort yourself out lad
Why has there been no mention of VAR today, no checks. Zilch.....
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We attacking the Holte this half?
Yes.
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FFS Mings, very cheap yellow.
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Mings the prick
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Mings is being Mings.
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Fuck me, I like Mings,he seems like a nice guy but international centre half????
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Has Mings got wellies on or something? Fucking hell.
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FFS Mings, very cheap yellow.
Ridiculous by Mings.
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Come on lets get back into this a bit.
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I think Hause is better.
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FFS Mings, very cheap yellow.
The hoof that followed was cringeworthy....Changes Deano.
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FFS Mings, very cheap yellow.
Michael Oliver Strike Again.
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FFS Mings, very cheap yellow.
Ridiculous by Mings.
To be fair they have all been sloppy the last 10
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Yeah, we keep giving the ball away.
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FFS Mings, very cheap yellow.
Ridiculous by Mings.
To be fair they have all been sloppy the last 10
To be warned by the referee 30 seconds before, that really is some kind of stupid.
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woeful shooting and crossing from Cash
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Watkins is wearing clowns boots at the moment
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No wonder Matty Cash was so ecstatic against Everton, I think he surprised himself. Wasted chance.
Marvellous coming on. I'm guessing Luiz?
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The players who get in the best positions IE cash and targett are poor with it.
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Superb Emi, great working back
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Martinez is again playing with Messi teammates
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Get in!
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Well played Luiz, he's probably fucked. Maybe why were struggling a bit now
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Jaaaaaaaaa
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2?
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Super John McGinn!!!!!!!!
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Amazing goal!!
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Get in!
I fucking love posts like this when I'm behind, its like Xmas.
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SJM!!!
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Mind the fucking gap Wulves!
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FUCK YEAH!
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Get Oli off and give Archer a game.
Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
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What a strike from SJM!
Very good second half from us. Really pleasing to see we can step up a gear against teams who were finishing above us not so long ago, today and v Everton.
And we're not even at full strength.
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I love you SJM
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Not happening for Olli.
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Would love to see Cam get a bit of pitch time now.
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Get Oli off and give Archer a game.
Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
What are they smoking....he scored in the 7-2 v Liverpool and he's barely scored since.
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Weirdly, Ollie is now having an impact and Ings is anonymous.
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McGuinn just outstanding today
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Ollie's work rate is still superb, just something not quite clicking. He's still bloody ace and a menace. Emi is also a really tenacious player as well
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Get Oli off and give Archer a game.
Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
What are they smoking....he scored in the 7-2 v Liverpool and he's barely scored since.
You're right, hes only scored 7. I think I must've got it wrong ;)
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Get Oli off and give Archer a game.
Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
What are they smoking....he scored in the 7-2 v Liverpool and he's barely scored since.
It helps if you read stats correctly. It's 5 of the last 7 not all 7!
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Would be tempted to give Sanson 10 minutes now to really close out the game.
Bruno Lage seems to have given up the game already, 2 down and no subs is pretty incredible from losing manager. Even DS isn't that bad!
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There you go that’s why AT is in today
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Get Oli off and give Archer a game.
Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
What are they smoking....he scored in the 7-2 v Liverpool and he's barely scored since.
It helps if you read stats correctly. It's 5 of the last 7 not all 7!
Thank you. On a different note, anybody think Traore might be concealing a knife under his shirt. Konsa literally shit himself.
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Would be tempted to give Sanson 10 minutes now to really close out the game.
Bruno Lage seems to have given up the game already, 2 down and no subs is pretty incredible from losing manager. Even DS isn't that bad!
He's done two, mate.
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Fuck off Neves you knob
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Fuck. 2-1.
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Fuck me 2-1
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Bollocks
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Here comes 10 anxious minutes
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Damn...
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Ffs
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Would be tempted to give Sanson 10 minutes now to really close out the game.
Bruno Lage seems to have given up the game already, 2 down and no subs is pretty incredible from losing manager. Even DS isn't that bad!
He's done two, mate.
Oh right, Bet365 hasn't updated yet and put the two up we've done but none for Wolves.
Fack, 2-1. Nervy last 10 minutes left.
Would be tempted to put Hause on, this would be big 3 points today.
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Offside surely!!!
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Poor defending. Who played them onside? Everybody else cleared out.
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Have they put Jimenez on?
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Offside surely!!!
As I said earlier not one mention of VAR in the game? Also no mention of Buendia in the second half :(
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Ollie's been more involved this half, but still pretty bad.
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Poor clearance by Watkins led to the goal.
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For fuck's sake. 2-2.
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Ffs
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We're going to lose this
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It's been a strange old game, very even. IF Wolves do equalise then I don't think anybody can complain. Despite how disappointing it would be.
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That is piss poor. Two up.
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A lot of statues
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Ffs we gonna lose this
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FACK SAKE.
Should've really put Hause on for last 10, terrible defending on both set pieces.
This is where last two weeks is hitting us a bit.
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Did anyone honestly expect anything else?
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This is what a total collapse looks like. Lost all shape and all self-confidence. Shite.
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Fucking woeful.
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Unless its as fucking comical as that, how many chances did they have? Nakamba :D
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Oh bollocks. And fuck it. Fucking bollocks
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Not sure if it our or their changes, but last 15 have been appalling by us.
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2-0 up and we fuckin fucked it up 😡🤬
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fucking pathetic
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Our second goal came completely against the run of play. Because since our first goal it’s really been all them
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Who's playing RB, Young?
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Pathetic.
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That was horribly defended. Fucking abysmal.
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Fair play to Wolves to be honest
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Awful lack of concentration
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How has Watkins stayed on? He comes Jiminez.......
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2-0 up and we fuckin fucked it up 😡🤬
Shades of Stoke 2009. Still early days in the season and we're in the mix at least despite all the injuries/disruption.
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Terrible game management, Mings an idiot
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The subs haven't helped... we always scream for them. Don't always make things better
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A result of Unnecessary changes-
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The subs don’t work. They just make it worse.
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Pathetic.
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How has Watkins stayed on? He comes Jiminez.......
Hard to understand, I agree.
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three centre backs on the pitch and none of them can clear a ball
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Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
This is your fault.
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Dismal.
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Fucking criminal. Total inability to keep the ball.
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Have we ever scored a winner recently after surrendering a lead?
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Axel lost at sea. Clueless.
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Since we scored the first, we've been incredibly sloppy. It's hard to explain.
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three centre backs on the pitch and none of them can clear a ball
Our best one at it is sitting on the bench.
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Axel lost at sea. Clueless.
Yep. Hause should be playing. You have to ask why.
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three centre backs on the pitch and none of them can clear a ball
Our best one at it is sitting on the bench.
I agree, how is Tuanzebe above Hause?Another DS masterstroke....
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Fucking abysmal
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three centre backs on the pitch and none of them can clear a ball
Our best one at it is sitting on the bench.
I agree, how is Tuanzebe above Hause?Another DS masterstroke....
I get Axel starting.
More like subbing Cash at 2-0 and putting on Young instead of Hause which hasn't aged well given the horrible defending from.
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Unfuckingbelievable! For shame!
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Mings. FFS.
He is probably 4th choice for me.
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Ffs
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Young is past it.
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Oh fuck off
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Fucking disaster
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There are no positives from this. Sloppy management of the game. Subs weakened us
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This is on Smith. Absolute kamikaze game management
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Disaster. Absolute disaster.
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Utterly pathetic last 30 minutes
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Bye bye Dean
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Piss poor. That’s all
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Sorry, but Smith is an idiot. No excuse for this.
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Just said on 'Hesgoal' Villa have lost the last 7 games SJM has scored in.
This is your fault.
Post of the year
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Even by our standards that's something losing that.
Bit speechless.
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Watching Nakamba, he constantly steps forward and gets beaten. The ball passes him by.
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I take it we're losing now?
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I am not happy about this
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Thing is this will be another Smith inspired losing streak.
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Fucking load of shit
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Sorry, but Smith is an idiot. No excuse for this.
Knee jerk reaction. He needs to recognise his mistakes in this......
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Not sure how its Dean's fault. The players out there were perfectly good enough to see that out.
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This has been a truly shocking collapse. A lot of work to do. The lack of composure, the lack of skill on the ball, the lack of effective tactics to slow the game, disastrous.
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I blame this on commentator jinx. They mentioned that Villa lost 5 games in 7 when McGinn scored, and right after that, they gave up 3 straight
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Smith gets criticism for not making substitutions.
He did today.
Inability to maintain possession.
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Not sure how its Dean's fault. The players out there were perfectly good enough to see that out.
Please
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Not sure how its Dean's fault. The players out there were perfectly good enough to see that out.
Obviously they weren't
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Fucking criminal losing that.
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Not sure how its Dean's fault. The players out there were perfectly good enough to see that out.
I don't think any of the substitutions worked out so it seems fair Smith takes his share of the blame for this debacle.
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We got weaker and weaker with each sub. Collective mindset thinking the game was won, and totally fucked it up.
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wow that was the worst 20 minutes from us i have seen for a while
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Well that was shit.
Seemed unable to keep the ball. I think there is a lack of leadership in the team when we need it.
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Not sure how its Dean's fault. The players out there were perfectly good enough to see that out.
I don't think any of the substitutions worked out so it seems fair Smith takes his share of the blame for this debacle.
Still not Deans Smith's fault. Two of them were logical decisions and the third was enforced.
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We are back to being useless at defending ...Mings was mostly a shambles all game on the ball and his nervousness effected the rest of them
The subs didn't work , we were losing the ability to keep on the ball in MF he needed to take off a striker .We still play far too direct at times we constant long balls out to the wide area's , it works sometimes with Olly but we give away more possession then we retain