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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2021, 04:02:26 PM
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No issue from me, we were very flat today for whatever reason.
Perhaps DS could've put subs on sooner but Buendia and Traore weren't great at all when they came on which is disappointing.
Frustrating we conceded as soon as we looked stronger, Son properly made Hause lower league in build up there.
Injury time was a bit of a joke. 5 minutes and don't think I've ever seen the winning team cruise through it so easily like they did down by that corner flag.
So bit of a drop of standards from last week. That can happen so important to keep calm and hopefully get Leon Bailey fit for Wolves game. We all saw how Son lifted a mediocre Spurs team to 3 points so hopefully Bailey will have same impact for us as season goes on.
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2-1 makes it look close, they cruised it.
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Didn't take us long to coach the ability out of ings. Even by our standards I'm impressed by the speed of that.
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Too many players off the pace, too many wrong decisions and poorly played passes. I thought they were poor with the exception of Son but we just didn't play well. Set pieces weren't great either and we need to vary our approach, particularly from throw ins.
No disaster but hugely frustrating.
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The players 2/10. Mings a special mention.
Dean -3/10. His slowness to change the train wreck today was criminal.
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They actually had 2-3 really good chances in addition to the goals. Not sure why we seemed so much worse than the last couple of games. Party just Son’s pace and movement exposed us, but we also lacked control in midfield, and didn’t use the ball as well.
Don’t really think Ings / Watkins is working. Feels like a waste of a shirt at the moment.
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No issue from me, we were very flat today for whatever reason.
Perhaps DS could've put subs on sooner but Buendia and Traore weren't great at all when they came on which is disappointing.
Frustrating we conceded as soon as we looked stronger, Son properly made Hause lower league in build up there.
Injury time was a bit of a joke. 5 minutes and don't think I've ever seen the winning team cruise through it so easily like they did down by that corner flag.
So bit of a drop of standards from last week. That can happen so important to keep calm and hopefully get Leon Bailey fit for Wolves game. We all saw how Son lifted a mediocre Spurs team to 3 points so hopefully Bailey will have same impact for us as season goes on.
I don’t mean to be a miserable old git, which I know I am, but I don’t think I see Bailey playing too many games for us. Bit of a racehorse only less robust so far.
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The traditional 'team desperately out of form, leaking goals everywhere and not scoring for ages. When do we play Villa? ' type game. Ings is not really worth a start at the moment and Ollie seems to be suffering as a result of him being there.
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Didn't take us long to coach the ability out of ings. Even by our standards I'm impressed by the speed of that.
Would honestly rather have Bailey and Ollie as front two when he's fully fit. Ings has nice odd pass and tracked back at times today but ultimately he hasn't scored since August 21st so not doing a huge amount to justify his place currently.
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Low on confidence? Under pressure? Order your Aston Villa fixture today! Guaranteed to sink to your level (or lower!) and gift you a much needed three points.
Some things never change. So frustrating.
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Why is it that as soon as we get to about 8th place, the team gets a nose bleed? Could have been 3 or 4 to Spurs to be fair.
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Going to be a mixed bag of results until the team is more settled. Not sure if the 3 at the back is the long term answer. Have a feeling our home form will be much better than our away this season.
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Didn't take us long to coach the ability out of ings. Even by our standards I'm impressed by the speed of that.
That’s a comment from 5 years ago. Most of our players have improved under this coaching regime.
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Yet again infuriatingly inconsistent and not helped by Smith’s kamikaze in-game management. When were good, we're such a good side. When we're bad, we're so easy to play against. Spurs barely got out of second gear, but didn't need to.
Ings and Watkins is not working at all. There's no chemistry and they still look as if they've never clapped eyes on each other.
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Diabolical performance really. Spurs were up for it, we weren't.
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Ings worked hard - he needs service, the only time we put a quality ball into the box today was when Ings started it and played Targett in down the channel.
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Too many players off the pace, too many wrong decisions and poorly played passes. I thought they were poor with the exception of Son but we just didn't play well. Set pieces weren't great either and we need to vary our approach, particularly from throw ins.
No disaster but hugely frustrating.
I agree with that, fair summary. Spurs are no great shakes with again Kane on notice period but bar shooting Son dragged them to three points today, we couldn't handle him moving around the front 3 all afternoon and he provided the key moment in the game.
That's obviously the sort of player we had in final third last season and lack with what we started today so I really hope we get Bailey fit for Wolves and actually start him as he has same potential.
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https://www.yoursoccerdose.com/18138670-tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa-premier-league/
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In fairness, we could have lost by more than the odd goal. It was frustrating having got back into it that we didn't manage the game better for a few minutes.
Maybe the players, like many on here, thought it was going to be easier than last week. They certainly didn't play with the same verve or energy.
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We never once looked in control. Given their upheaval of late that’s disappointing. The old sloppy habits are back and FFS McGinn, get some studs on your boots.
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Awful and frustrating. I really thought going into this after watching them vs Arse and us vs ManUre we would get something today.
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Really disappointed in the effort put forth for 75% of the game.
Our early press and buildup were okay but we never improved. Spurs were not exactly impressive and Kane looks flat out terrible. On another day we could be more competitive but we need to work on our consistency.
Onto the next one.. F off spuds.
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The players 2/10. Mings a special mention.
Dean -3/10. His slowness to change the train wreck today was criminal.
Who would you have put on, Buendia and especially Traore were abysmal when we finally changed it imo. Traore keep on running the ball out for throw ins for first 10 minutes he was on.
It's good having some decent players on the bench for once....but they need to actually pick up tempo of game far quicker than those two today.
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Poor
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Buh, bad performance, got the tactics wrong, lost to a near rival by the odd goal. Disappointing, but let's not get too wound up - exactly the same description would apply to Chelsea last week against City. Poor day, but they happen and we move on.
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Absolute dog shit all over the pitch. No Villa player comes away from that with any credit. Couldn’t barely pass a ball to each other all game. Looked like they’d been on the piss all night. Shite.
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I am not going to comment until I see Flint5tone's considered analysis.
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No issue from me, we were very flat today for whatever reason.
Perhaps DS could've put subs on sooner but Buendia and Traore weren't great at all when they came on which is disappointing.
Frustrating we conceded as soon as we looked stronger, Son properly made Hause lower league in build up there.
Injury time was a bit of a joke. 5 minutes and don't think I've ever seen the winning team cruise through it so easily like they did down by that corner flag.
So bit of a drop of standards from last week. That can happen so important to keep calm and hopefully get Leon Bailey fit for Wolves game. We all saw how Son lifted a mediocre Spurs team to 3 points so hopefully Bailey will have same impact for us as season goes on.
I don’t mean to be a miserable old git, which I know I am, but I don’t think I see Bailey playing too many games for us. Bit of a racehorse only less robust so far.
Bit harsh, he's played about 70 games for Leverkusen last two seasons. It's just frustrating currently but will be worth the wait when he's starting 5-10 games in a row.
He's certainly far far too good to be just an impact sub for us anyway. Not sure Buendia has proved that quite yet.
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The players 2/10. Mings a special mention.
Dean -3/10. His slowness to change the train wreck today was criminal.
Who would you have put on, Buendia and especially Traore were abysmal when we finally changed it imo. Traore keep on running the ball out for throw ins for first 10 minutes he was on.
It's good having some decent players on the bench for once....but they need to actually pick up tempo of game far quicker than those two today.
It was the system today that was the issue. It was clear after about 30 minutes that it just wasnt going to work.
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No issue from me, we were very flat today for whatever reason.
Perhaps DS could've put subs on sooner but Buendia and Traore weren't great at all when they came on which is disappointing.
Frustrating we conceded as soon as we looked stronger, Son properly made Hause lower league in build up there.
Injury time was a bit of a joke. 5 minutes and don't think I've ever seen the winning team cruise through it so easily like they did down by that corner flag.
So bit of a drop of standards from last week. That can happen so important to keep calm and hopefully get Leon Bailey fit for Wolves game. We all saw how Son lifted a mediocre Spurs team to 3 points so hopefully Bailey will have same impact for us as season goes on.
I think thats a fair analysis. Feels very disappointing after the last two games and other than Son and Kane to a lesser extent, they are very average, which adds to the disappointment. When McGinn got the ball near the end in a good position and just huffed one up in the air it just summed the performance of most of the team today, just not at the races.
I had a very quick browse at the match thread at H/T and noticed Ings getting slated a bit. Whilst he’s not playing brilliantly, i noticed twice in the second half, where he manoeuvred himself into brilliant positions in the box and neither Cash or later Traore got their heads up and saw him. The point being, i think its just as much about the team learning to play with him as visa versa.
So deflating day, but Smith change both players and formation to no effect, so no massive criticism from me, just poor passing and decision making from the players.
Big game now against Wolves, whose front two look very good albeit against a shocking newcastle. Bailey looked genuinely world class against Everton, the quicker he’s back the better.
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When McGinn and Ramsey didn't play well, it affected the whole team. Midfield needed beefing up. Nakamba and a 442 should have been done at H/T
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Steve Hunt's half time booster used to be half a tumbler of whisky. Somebody should suggest it to Dean. (for himself not the players).
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I’m not sure what to say about that, except it was just flat, slow and very sloppy throughout the whole team. It was a terrible performance from all.
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2-1 flattered us today. We were terrible against a very vulnerable Spurs team. Hard to pick out a player that played well, Luiz for me bar the last 5 minutes. Thought Smith had a horror show on the sideline. Obvious that a tactical change was required at half time and the back 3 had to change. But left it til something like the 80th minute and Watkins after scoring ended up on the left wing! Putting Buendia on for Ramsey only weakened our midfield.
Not a fan of the Stoke esque tactics I must say taking an age to take throw ins and leaving our ball players on the bench. Ings/Watkins not working at all as a partnership either. For Spurs, Son was exceptional and destroyed Konsa. Konsa not happy on right of the three. Hause did great against a stationary Ronaldo last week but he isn't suited to what's really a ball playing role.
Martinez 6, Cash 6, Konsa 3, Hause 6, Mings 6, Targett 6, Luiz 7, McGinn 6, Ramsey 5, Ings 4, Watkins 5. Subs - Buendia 5, Traore 4. Smith 4
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Based on the talk in the build up, we played how I expected them to play. Flat, off the pace and lacking cohesion. Ah well, these games happen. Hope the trajectory continues trending upwards.
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No idea what the tactics were today, assuming we had any, other than to hoof it forward and into touch. We're very Jekyll and Hyde. After the win last weekend I half expected us to get beaten today, the only shock was how poor we were and how easy we made it for a piss poor team like Spurs.
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Son a different class
The space behind the wing backs particularly Cash was found out by Son today.
Thought there were too many long throws and didn't find the 3-5-2 particularly useful today.
That said always in the game today and I think could have taken a point but didn't deserve anything more.
Smith changed it up to 4 at the back but that was ineffective as well in any attacking sense
So frustrating amount of corners and long throws didn't materialise into much.
Martinez 8
Konsa 6
Hause 7
Mings 7
Cash 6.5
Targett 6.5
McGinn 6
Douglas Luiz 6
Ramsey 6
Ings 6
Watkins 6
Mixture really as promising at times but outfield player looked like more than 7 today and really its 6s all round.
I thought Konsa was shown up a few times in defence and actually Hause was very good apart from the own goal scored by Targett where he was beaten .
Konsa , Ramsey and McGinn all had faults in the first goal conceded. With McGinn losing the ball and Ramsey not really running back and Konsa not stepping out to block the shot.
Disappointed to have lost the game but not enough good performances and the system allowed too much opportunity for Son in particular and Lucas to attack.
Good that battled to the end and showed the competition to get back into it and deserved the equaliser unfortunately cimxxwdso quick after and didn't ever get fully on top again.
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The players 2/10. Mings a special mention.
Dean -3/10. His slowness to change the train wreck today was criminal.
Who would you have put on, Buendia and especially Traore were abysmal when we finally changed it imo. Traore keep on running the ball out for throw ins for first 10 minutes he was on.
It's good having some decent players on the bench for once....but they need to actually pick up tempo of game far quicker than those two today.
It was the system today that was the issue. It was clear after about 30 minutes that it just wasnt going to work.
Fair enough but DS was never going to change much after last week's match. He's very much a keep your shirt for next week if you play well manager.
Spurs did exploit weaknesses of our 3atb much better than Man. United did with just simple balls over the top.
Interesting what we do for Wolves game now. Keep same formation and Axel is a cert to come back in for Hause you'd imagine. Buendia will probably come in for a start aswell as Ramsey struggled.
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Smith had a nightmare. Far too late with the changes again. As someone said we needed someone to take a knock to force him to do something earlier. We've got a bit of strength in depth so let's use it.
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That's what irritates me about Smith. His changes are made too late a lot of the time.
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Ings and Watkins is not working and neither player is to blame, they both work very hard but it's just not happening and Ings looks frustrated and angry.
Could not pass a ball , midfielders absolutely terrible. Smith slow to react
Bad Day
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That was diabolical. The closeness of the scoreline isn't a true reflection of the game. they should have scored more, we were lucky to get 1.
Scored:
Martinez - 5 - nothing he could do for the goals but distribution was poor.
Konsa - 5 - nice break out for the goal but got done time and time again by Son.
Mings - 4 - terrible, terrible distribution and no discernible leadership today
Hause - 4 - looked like a lower league sub today
Cash - Back to his early season form, his passing today was woeful
Targett - 6 - Brilliant ball for the goal, own goal not really his fault
Ramsey - 3 - reall off game, should have been hooked at half time
McGinn - 4 - load of shite today, gave away the ball that led to the goal, and did the same again second half, with them narrowly missing.
Luiz - 6 - best of the midfield today, but still not really at the races.
Watkins - 5 - two marks for the goal, otherwise a really, really crap display.
Ings - 3 - did the square root of fuck all.
Smith - 4 - as right as he got it last week, got it so, so wrong today. Back to being far too slow to react.
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Very disappointing. That was a win gifted to a Spurs team who should have been there for the taking. We were sloppy and lacked intensity, they outpressed us and were physically stronger, and hoofball was also probably not the best tactic against a Nuno team. I am not sure either that we have tackled Son once since we got back in the PL. He's the new Gullit.
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Another false dawn.
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Very disappointing. That was a win gifted to a Spurs team who should have been there for the taking. We were sloppy and lacked intensity, they outpressed us and were physically stronger, and hoofball was also probably not the best tactic against a Nuno team. I am not sure either that we have tackled Son once since we got back in the PL. He's the new Gullit.
Good point about Son. The amount of times we left him totally unmarked today was criminal. All those sparkly new coaches, three central sodding defenders and we still give him the freedom of the pitch.
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Poor that in a poor game all round. We did not play well at all, but then neither did Spurs. Still can't complain about the defeat.
So many poor decisions taken at crucial points. McGinn seemed to give the ball away incessantly, Luiz couldn't shake N'Dombele and the ball didn't transition through midfield at all. A game too far for Ramsey who was probably the worst of the midfield 3.
The front two aren't linking well yet, but that said, we didn't put much in the way of quality delivery for either of them too often. The time we did, we scored.
Stupid time to concede and you could see the back stick crying out for the ball and that's where Roller Skates Son (the diving soft ******) put it.
So many players off, you wonder about systems but if you're not joining up the fundamentals, it's going to be a long day.
A day where we needed Bailey's magic to maybe add that individual brilliant amongst a collective sluggish performance.
Kane looks totally disinterested to me too. No conviction in anything bar falling over.
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Watkins - 5 - two marks for the goal, otherwise a really, really crap display.
I totally agree. Very poor overall.
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Well that was every bit as woeful, inept and generally fucking shite as I've seen from Villa for a long time.
It's astonishing to see highly paid professionals unable to do the basics, like pass the ball to each other over short distances and keep the ball in play without hacking it into touch. So frustrating.
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I'm not sure we were diabolical but it was frustrating because they wasn't great either. We needed that spark in the final third and it wasn't there. We gew again.
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not one aspect of the game we did well at today.
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not one aspect of the game we did well at today.
We did the losing aspect pretty well.
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Just buy Son in the January window…. Sorted
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Well that was every bit as woeful, inept and generally fucking shite as I've seen from Villa for a long time.
It's astonishing to see highly paid professionals unable to do the basics, like pass the ball to each other over short distances and keep the ball in play without hacking it into touch. So frustrating.
How many times did we pass the ball out for a throw today under no pressure at all. They were just all over the place today. You can almost take losing in an otherwise decent display like away at Chelsea, but today was as bad as anything in the last couple of years, and with a full team bar Bailey as well. Unacceptable really.
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Really disappointing. I think the fact that our passing was so bad from the start really affected us in stopping us getting any sort of rhythm to our play.
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All on the manager. Looked rubbish after 45 mins. Ramsey having a absolute stinker and leaves him on. Getting battered fir first 15 minutes before making a change.
Watkins despite his goal was awful.
Hause shouldnt start anymore games as was absolute liability.
This is why people get pissed off with smith.could have created a gap from one of our European rivals yet he blows it. Also spurs played Thursday night and still looked better than us.
You got so many options on the bench to change the game but dean failed miserably today.
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not one aspect of the game we did well at today.
We will still finish higher than Spurs.
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not one aspect of the game we did well at today.
We will still finish higher than Spurs.
Not playing like that we won't.
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Well that was every bit as woeful, inept and generally fucking shite as I've seen from Villa for a long time.
It's astonishing to see highly paid professionals unable to do the basics, like pass the ball to each other over short distances and keep the ball in play without hacking it into touch. So frustrating.
Today wasn't great but Watford first 70 minutes was definition of a team that didn't have a clue on basics of football. We've improved since then. You had people on here after the Chelsea defeat incredulous at how there could be any positives from a 3-0 defeat but there were and we then produced two excellent performances and wins.
Today is disappointing but we can take points from the October games so no reason to panic imo. Mid table teams just throw in these performances regularly, I suspect West Ham and Leicester fans aren't happy either with what they've seen today either. They're more established but we've got a shot of finishing above both as long as we don't have one of those three month winless runs we like doing every season.
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Just buy Son in the January window…. Sorted
Just get Bailey fully fit and he'll be that sort of player for us.
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Maybe to much cockiness from the win last weekend. Team looked complacent when you should be building on getting points. We beat manure last weekend but so fucking what? We are one of the teams in the minority who haven’t beaten that lot. Mindset of expecting every team to roll over is very poor and I would drag every one of them in for extra training and bollock them for poor passing.
Am I concerned? Not really but team needs instilling into them that you have to work your arses off every week. And manager needs to work on his own shit or glory approach as we cannot afford a dry patch now of routine losses no matter how hard or good the team play. A loss is a loss but the team and the manager need to get their heads out of their arses and sort things out rather than riding a result like last week as if they’d won the league. Because today was complacent. And ings and Watkins just isn’t working.
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Just buy Son in the January window…. Sorted
Just get Bailey fully fit and he'll be that sort of player for us.
Bailey & Son works for me
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I think games like this is why some were disappointed we didn't bring another top player or two. Needed someone different in midfield who would have kept the ball better. Also, a bit more leadership, I love SJM but I don't see him as a leader.
Think inconsistency comes from having one of the younger teams, particularly in midfield where we seem to be either great or awful.
I am slightly nervous that we don't know how to get the best out of Ings or Emi10 - but early days still.
6 points from the last 4 games is a decent return - and plenty of positives
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Inconsistency has been holding us back for a very long time, even in the Championship, we were frustratingly inconsistent.
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Everybody bar 2 or 3 teams is largely inconsistent in results and absolutely everybody is inconsistent with performances, just the better sides have more players capable of individual brilliance.
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Inconsistency has been holding us back for a very long time, even in the Championship, we were frustratingly inconsistent.
Surely that's what happens finishing in 8th-10th range? Pretty sure in the past we've finished in 7th losing about 15 games in a season and winning less than 50%.
Seems to be some odd logic on here we should be finishing top 4 still. I think we'll have a decent season but nowhere near consistant enough to be thinking of that as realistic and today showed.
5th-9th will be pretty open though when you look at the results Leicester and West Ham had today.
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We needed to make changes at half time Obvious the long balls wide weren’t working.
Mings again a liability and thank the lord for Martinez
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They seemed to want it more than us.
We were second to most things, slow to react and generally bullied by them. Bullied by fucking Spurs, Christ!
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It's like watching Stoke City under Tony Pulis,the long throws are really becoming irritating
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It's like watching Stoke City under Tony Pulis,the long throws are really becoming irritating
If only it was just the long throw-ins.
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All on the manager. Looked rubbish after 45 mins. Ramsey having a absolute stinker and leaves him on. Getting battered fir first 15 minutes before making a change.
Watkins despite his goal was awful.
Hause shouldnt start anymore games as was absolute liability.
This is why people get pissed off with smith.could have created a gap from one of our European rivals yet he blows it. Also spurs played Thursday night and still looked better than us.
You got so many options on the bench to change the game but dean failed miserably today.
Hause was great last week -and now he should never start for us again? He got skinned by the best player on the pitch for their second, but otherwise did fine.
I think smith could of made the change a bit earlier, but there was still 30 mins or more left when Buendia came. Are you saying the players inability to pass the ball had nothing to do with losing day?
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Inconsistency has been holding us back for a very long time, even in the Championship, we were frustratingly inconsistent.
Surely that's what happens finishing in 8th-10th range? Pretty sure in the past we've finished in 7th losing about 15 games in a season and winning less than 50%.
Seems to be some odd logic on here we should be finishing top 4 still. I think we'll have a decent season but nowhere near consistant enough to be thinking of that as realistic and today showed.
5th-9th will be pretty open though when you look at the results Leicester and West Ham had today.
Look, after winning at Old Trafford and blitzing Everton I am just disappointed with a poor performance against a Spurs team with their own problems Nothing more nothing less.
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Inconsistency has been holding us back for a very long time, even in the Championship, we were frustratingly inconsistent.
Well unless you’re a team finishing in the top two or three every year you will see inconsistencies. If we consistently won every week we’d be winning the league.
Look at West Ham today, Man Utd last week, Arsenal for the last few seasons or so. Still these are teams which have finished in the top six in recent years.
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It's like watching Stoke City under Tony Pulis,the long throws are really becoming irritating
They created problems consistently.
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Ings and Watkins is not working and neither player is to blame, they both work very hard but it's just not happening and Ings looks frustrated and angry.
Could not pass a ball , midfielders absolutely terrible. Smith slow to react
Bad Day
Thats a bit mild
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Inconsistency has been holding us back for a very long time, even in the Championship, we were frustratingly inconsistent.
Surely that's what happens finishing in 8th-10th range? Pretty sure in the past we've finished in 7th losing about 15 games in a season and winning less than 50%.
Seems to be some odd logic on here we should be finishing top 4 still. I think we'll have a decent season but nowhere near consistant enough to be thinking of that as realistic and today showed.
5th-9th will be pretty open though when you look at the results Leicester and West Ham had today.
Look, after winning at Old Trafford and blitzing Everton I am just disappointed with a poor performance against a Spurs team with their own problems Nothing more nothing less.
We used to throw in these performances when we were finishing 6th under O'Neill. Start of 2008-09 we played well in a 0-0 at home to Liverpool after losing 3-2 at newly promoted Stoke the week before. Then we lost 2-1 at home to Boro and went to Arsenal the next week and won 2-0.
Target is to get in 55-60 point range again. You can lose plenty of games and still make it. Key is not to draw loads of games and we've only had one draw all season.
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Tottenham 2-1 Aston Villa: Hojbjerg finish and Targett own goal give Spurs much-needed win - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58667903
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
If we continue to be inconsistent then we ain't coming sixth. We'll be somewhere around where we were last season.
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The Watkins/Ings combination is a bit of a worry. In fact, I cant remember us creating a chance for Ings in open play since we brought him.
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
If we continue to be inconsistent then we ain't coming sixth. We'll be somewhere around where we were last season.
What you on about everyone’s just been saying you can be inconsistent and still finish in top 6
So I’m going with it
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
If we continue to be inconsistent then we ain't coming sixth. We'll be somewhere around where we were last season.
West ham finished 6th losing 11 games last season, Leicester finished 5th losing 12, spurs finished 7th losing 12. Thats nearly a 3rd of all their games and reasonably inconsistent.
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
If we continue to be inconsistent then we ain't coming sixth. We'll be somewhere around where we were last season.
West ham finished 6th losing 11 games last season, Leicester finished 5th losing 12, spurs finished 7th losing 12. Thats nearly a 3rd of all their games and reasonably inconsistent.
See there you go
6th it is then
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I love Dean, but I do get a bit concerned that when we're clearly playing poorly, he frequently doesn't seem to know what to do.
The best managers are proactive, not reactive.
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Disappointing really - Dean still needs to be better when things are going against us. Hopefully though Ollie getting a goal will get him firing again.
However if before Chelsea, Everton, Manure, and Spurs you’d offered me 6 points I’d have taken it. It’s still a good return.
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Drawing games is the devil, nearly as bad as playing 5-3-2. Where top 6 dreams go and die with 1-1s v Brentford.
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2009/10 - won 17, drew 13, lost 8 = 6th
2008/09 - won 17, drew 11, lost 10 = 6th
2007/08 - won 16, drew 12, lost 10 = 6th
Consistently losing 25% and winning less than 50%, while drawing around 33% still gets you 6th.
If you're consistent then you win the league.
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
If we continue to be inconsistent then we ain't coming sixth. We'll be somewhere around where we were last season.
West ham finished 6th losing 11 games last season, Leicester finished 5th losing 12, spurs finished 7th losing 12. Thats nearly a 3rd of all their games and reasonably inconsistent.
See there you go
6th it is then
Well, we won 16 and lost 15 last season and came 11th.
Anyway, any team can have an off day but what matters is how we react. If we beat Wolves next time out then we'll be looking up again.
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The Watkins/Ings combination is a bit of a worry. In fact, I cant remember us creating a chance for Ings in open play since we brought him.
Yeah - that's my worry - don't seem to be playing to his strength. Our play in the final 3rd has been pretty poor at times
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12425185/spurs-beat-villa-to-end-losing-run
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If we finish 6th I won’t give a toss about inconsistencies or this defeat
If we continue to be inconsistent then we ain't coming sixth. We'll be somewhere around where we were last season.
West ham finished 6th losing 11 games last season, Leicester finished 5th losing 12, spurs finished 7th losing 12. Thats nearly a 3rd of all their games and reasonably inconsistent.
See there you go
6th it is then
Well, we won 16 and lost 15 last season and came 11th.
Anyway, any team can have an off day but what matters is how we react. If we beat Wolves next time out then we'll be looking up again.
Looking up to a top 6 finish is what I’m lumping everything on
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Bad day at the office, too many had an off day and we just didn’t look after the ball well enough. Good for Ollie to get off the mark which will hopefully see him return to his more instinctive self and we do at least look like we’ve got a goal in us, even when we’re not playing well.
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Crap, misplaced passes, very little midfield creativity
only players with credit, Martinez - could have been 4 without him, Cash, although not sure about this predictability with long throw
Targett, ball would have gone in anyway
Midfield was dreadful
Ings and watkins are not complimenting each other
The two subs contributed the sum total of fuck all
lets see what happens after the break
No need for wrist slitting , you could be a jawdies fan and have to to listen to Brucie after their latest defeat
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Very poor from the team and management. Just can't understand why Deano didn't make an earlier tactical adjustment. The subs were to late. I went to the game today expecting Villa to win. I will never learn
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Crap, misplaced passes, very little midfield creativity
only players with credit, Martinez - could have been 4 without him, Cash, although not sure about this predictability with long throw
Targett, ball would have gone in anyway
Midfield was dreadful
Ings and watkins are not complimenting each other
The two subs contributed the sum total of fuck all
lets see what happens after the break
No need for wrist slitting , you could be a jawdies fan and have to to listen to Brucie after their latest defeat
Talking about Bruce
I heard him after the match yesterday and actually felt sorry for him
That’s a first for me for Football reasons anyway
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Cock Knobs! I was really hoping we were starting to get some consistency, and go on a decent winning run, but the usual good win, followed by a poor performance is back. Hello old friend. Tottenham were a shambles the other week, and I was hoping the same team would turn up today but it was not to be. Very disappointing.
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The formation was the main problem. It was ineffective against Spurs today and the players were uncomfortable with it. To change the formation would probably mean substitutions and as we know Smith doesn't like to make them until the last 30 minutes.
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
Yeah but we’re still finishing top 6 mate so don’t worry about it
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That’s what happens over a season though. There will be off days. It’s very frustrating but then being a Villa fan has always been just that.
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
Yeah but we’re still finishing top 6 mate so don’t worry about it
Why are you being an arse about it? Nobody has said we're definitely doing anything. People are optimistic we can be top 8 this season. You don't need a counsel of perfection to be top 6 and the stats bear that out. We've put together a number of good performances in a row, some rewarded, some not. Today we were poor.
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
We have got to find a formation that brings out the best in out strikers.
Over to you Dean.
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
Yeah but we’re still finishing top 6 mate so don’t worry about it
Why are you being an arse about it? Nobody has said we're definitely doing anything. People are optimistic we can be top 8 this season. You don't need a counsel of perfection to be top 6 and the stats bear that out. We've put together a number of good performances in a row, some rewarded, some not. Today we were poor.
I’m not being an arse
I’m staying positive
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Yep off day today very sloppy , Spurs were sharper than us and after their performance last week needed to be . We were terrified of Son, he was very good. I did think the defence should have dropped abit for his pace but that would have relied on the midfield covering more ground. Oh well no Drama
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
Yeah but we’re still finishing top 6 mate so don’t worry about it
Why are you being an arse about it? Nobody has said we're definitely doing anything. People are optimistic we can be top 8 this season. You don't need a counsel of perfection to be top 6 and the stats bear that out. We've put together a number of good performances in a row, some rewarded, some not. Today we were poor.
I’m not being an arse
I’m staying positive
Apologies, I was interpreting you as being sarcastic.
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Last week people on here saying Smith might get the England job. After a defeat.... We lost, we wasn't great, that's it. Done done, on to the next one.
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I didn’t realise we haven’t got a game now until the 16th. Bloody hell, I hate international football.
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There's being inconsistent, and then there's what we served up today after last week. Not even being able to do the basics right is completely unacceptable. Time after time we just kicked the ball out for a throw in when under no pressure, or gave them the ball straight back.
Yeah but we’re still finishing top 6 mate so don’t worry about it
Why are you being an arse about it? Nobody has said we're definitely doing anything. People are optimistic we can be top 8 this season. You don't need a counsel of perfection to be top 6 and the stats bear that out. We've put together a number of good performances in a row, some rewarded, some not. Today we were poor.
I’m not being an arse
I’m staying positive
Apologies, I was interpreting you as being sarcastic.
No pro sports
Got to keep believing
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After following the villa for 50+ years there is one word I associate with them more than anything...Frustrating.
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I didn’t realise we haven’t got a game now until the 16th. Bloody hell, I hate international football.
especially after losing
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Low on confidence? Under pressure? Order your Aston Villa fixture today! Guaranteed to sink to your level (or lower!) and gift you a much needed three points.
Some things never change. So frustrating.
Yeah, I bet United were saying that last week.
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For me the game was crying out for the steadying influence of Nakamba at his best.
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For me the game was crying out for the steadying influence of Nakamba at his best.
That's fair comment especially after Ramsey was booked.
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Nakamba would have given the ball away just as much if not more than the rest of them though
And wouldn’t have gone forward with the ball In an positive manner
So I’m not convinced it would have been the right call
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Bad day at the office..anybody out there never had that ??
We are all passionate, but some of you are so angry I wonder why?
It’s Villa, the highs are amazing..deal with the off days.
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Rita Hayworth.
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That game was really poor. Spurs were rubbish too. I was quite fed up watching it as it all felt a bit half arsed and a missed opportunity. If we’d pressed Spurs they would have crumbled.
After going for a big post game walk I’m more sanguine. Bad day at the office and a lot to be excited about with this team. Certainly more so than Spurs, basically when Son gets sold they’re Newcastle Utd without the fans.
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Bad day at the office..anybody out there never had that ??
We are all passionate, but some of you are so angry I wonder why?
It’s Villa, the highs are amazing..deal with the off days.
Yep, and someone on here commented on how ape shit the Spurs fans were going on their forum. Some people really can't cope when we lose.
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The formation was the main problem. It was ineffective against Spurs today and the players were uncomfortable with it. To change the formation would probably mean substitutions and as we know Smith doesn't like to make them until the last 30 minutes.
There was no excuse not to make them at half time today. A tactical change that is. We were rotten first half and Spurs weren't much better.
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Gives you an excuse to criticise other posters though, eh Clamps?
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Gives you an excuse to criticise other posters though, eh Clamps?
If you say so.
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I keep reading how Spurs were as bad as we were but to me they cut us wide open 5 or 6 times for clear cut chances. If you reverse the result and chances then I feel we'd all be saying how good we played.
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Take Son out of that game and it's nailed on last on MOTD and the watching world is hoping both sides lose.
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Very disappointing. That was a win gifted to a Spurs team who should have been there for the taking. We were sloppy and lacked intensity, they outpressed us and were physically stronger, and hoofball was also probably not the best tactic against a Nuno team. I am not sure either that we have tackled Son once since we got back in the PL. He's the new Gullit.
Good point about Son. The amount of times we left him totally unmarked today was criminal. All those sparkly new coaches, three central sodding defenders and we still give him the freedom of the pitch.
Konsa is really uncomfortable playing on the right of a 3. Son made a mug of him all second half.
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I wanted half time changes today as we've got a strong squad.
Something which we haven't had for a long time.
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Bad day at the office..anybody out there never had that ??
We are all passionate, but some of you are so angry I wonder why?
It’s Villa, the highs are amazing..deal with the off days.
Yep, and someone on here commented on how ape shit the Spurs fans were going on their forum. Some people really can't cope when we lose.
Don't want to get involved in the argument, because I love both you and Risso, but to be honest, yes, I agree, some people can't cope when we lose.
Because that's just the way football is. People expend extreme emotion on it - grown adults jump around like lunatics when their team score, some of them are miserable for days when we lose, some people manage to shrug it off and see the positives, others start to worry. My great grandfather was a bit of a violent nutter and used to come home and smash stuff up when we lost. It splits families up, it makes people hate strangers. All this mental stuff - it brings out all sort of differing emotions in people. I can't believe anyone is still surprised by that.
Look at any match thread you like from any season covered by this incarnation of this forum and you'll see a rollercoaster of emotions and reactions (and over-reactions).
I just am amazed anyone is surprised by it still.
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I keep reading how Spurs were as bad as we were but to me they cut us wide open 5 or 6 times for clear cut chances. If you reverse the result and chances then I feel we'd all be saying how good we played.
Compare them to 3-4 years ago, they're miles off that standard now. They were alright today but it wasn't like we were under seige at any stage. Aside from first goal I can't remember Martinez making a save until he denied Son on the one on one just before we got it back to 1-1 so two serious shots at goal away to apparent top 6 standard team isn't that bad going.
Massively disappointing we couldn't seem to pass water through anytime we crossed halfway line. Our standard of football was really poor compared to last week when we created 3-4 really good moves in first hour. Our first decent move today was when we scored.
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Low on confidence? Under pressure? Order your Aston Villa fixture today! Guaranteed to sink to your level (or lower!) and gift you a much needed three points.
Some things never change. So frustrating.
Yeah, I bet United were saying that last week.
United had won their previous three league games before playing us, Spurs had lost three conceding 9 goals.
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I think we have to accept we're an inconsistent team that is not going to click all the time. You see it in individual matches - good half, bad half.
So long as we continue to build overall consistency then we'll be moving in the right direction. The positive point is that we have shown that when we are really on our game, we can be unplayable. Two fantastic results against decent sides followed by a 2-1 defeat away from home against a side who raised their game on recent performances is not really cause for despair.
DS is fucking infuriating at times, I agree, but it's not just him, it's the whole coaching staff. So long as they make these mistakes less and less frequently, then we'll be ok.
I do think we might have allowed our expectations to get ahead of us this season, though, we've sold our best player in decades and yes, we've spent the money well by the looks of it and have a much strengthened squad, but that sort of change takes a while to bed in.
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Low on confidence? Under pressure? Order your Aston Villa fixture today! Guaranteed to sink to your level (or lower!) and gift you a much needed three points.
Some things never change. So frustrating.
Yeah, I bet United were saying that last week.
United had won their previous three league games before playing us, Spurs had lost three conceding 9 goals.
Is any side this season showing consistency though?
Everyone seems to be taking points off each other. That doesn't sound right I know but its a great opportunity for someone to gatecrash the top 6.
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Low on confidence? Under pressure? Order your Aston Villa fixture today! Guaranteed to sink to your level (or lower!) and gift you a much needed three points.
Some things never change. So frustrating.
Yeah, I bet United were saying that last week.
United had won their previous three league games before playing us, Spurs had lost three conceding 9 goals.
Is any side this season showing consistency though?
Everyone seems to be taking points off each other. That doesn't sound right I know but its a great opportunity for someone to gatecrash the top 6.
Man. United look very unbalanced currently but they'll probably eventually settle on some sort of stable line up and go on 5-6 match winning run.
Can't see any of Man. City, Liverpool or Chelsea getting lower than 75 points. All three will get past 80 points I think.
Think they'll be a big gulf between 4th and 5th this season so that should actually help us a bit as will lower the general points range to finish top half. Certainly there's no way if we get 56 points like I think we did last season we'll be finishing bottom half.
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We will be fine. Some tuning obviously. I reckon sixth or seventh. Reasonable progress - if he will make changes before 61 minutes.
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Disappointing, but it isn't the end of the world. We'd have taken two points from the last two games and we got three.
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Disappointing, but it isn't the end of the world. We'd have taken two points from the last two games and we got three.
Exactly. We're a work in progress and this will happen, especially when you get a player like Son in the mood. Reckon we'd have probably taken three from three in fact, and actually took six. Still feeling good after the last three performances.
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What I can never understand and this goes for most managers not just ours is that when everyone can see that a formation or a particular game plan is not working after 20 minutes, and I mean it’s obvious to everyone including manager and coaches
Why do they have to wait till half-time to deal with it, And even then sometimes don’t
As soon as you know it’s not working change it, don’t wait until it’s too late
There’s probably a perfectly reasonable answer to this but one that I have never heard yet
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I think we have to accept we're an inconsistent team that is not going to click all the time. You see it in individual matches - good half, bad half.
So long as we continue to build overall consistency then we'll be moving in the right direction. The positive point is that we have shown that when we are really on our game, we can be unplayable. Two fantastic results against decent sides followed by a 2-1 defeat away from home against a side who raised their game on recent performances is not really cause for despair.
DS is fucking infuriating at times, I agree, but it's not just him, it's the whole coaching staff. So long as they make these mistakes less and less frequently, then we'll be ok.
I do think we might have allowed our expectations to get ahead of us this season, though, we've sold our best player in decades and yes, we've spent the money well by the looks of it and have a much strengthened squad, but that sort of change takes a while to bed in.
I think that's as good a comment I've read in a while. I didn't think we were great today at all. I think in some ways we need to start again now Joe has gone. We'll get there, we might only finish 10th but that's fine because long term, I think there's a lot to be optimistic about.
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What I can never understand and this goes for most managers not just ours is that when everyone can see that a formation or a particular game plan is not working after 20 minutes, and I mean it’s obvious to everyone including manager and coaches
Why do they have to wait till half-time to deal with it, And even then sometimes don’t
As soon as you know it’s not working change it, don’t wait until it’s too late
There’s probably a perfectly reasonable answer to this but one that I have never heard yet
It's a bugbear of mine too and if a manager does change it before HT he's hailed as some sort of tactical genius. In American Football the coaches change it after every play and sometimes during a play.
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Didn't think we were as bad as being made out by some on here. Thought we were far too open in midfield in the first half, but thought we started to get a foothold in the game before we equalised and then briefly looked like we might go on to get another. Disappointing to get caught on the break for their second at a time when we were looking the more threatening side and we just didn't really get back into it after that.
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Both of their goals were very poor give aways. The first one had a complete absence of cover from midfield and no closing down from the three central defenders. The second one had Targett pegging back as quickly as he could but was always struggling to make it. We are consistently inconsistent and I guess this is what is faced with a side on the up. Win brilliantly at Manchester United, lose at out of form Tottenham Hotshit. Frustrating but that's the way it goes.
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Most frustrating thing for me was that had we replicated either of the Chelsea performances today, we win that game. Son aside they are bang average, but he was outstanding and we couldn’t cope with him at all. We, on the other hand, cannot afford to have 3 or 4 players playing poorly and it showed.
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Nakamba would have given the ball away just as much if not more than the rest of them though
And wouldn’t have gone forward with the ball In an positive manner
So I’m not convinced it would have been the right call
Ramsey was lost today...
But taking him off and bringing in Buendia left us even more open in midfield
Nakamba for Hause...would have made us a lot more solid I think. Luiz was decent enough though...McGinn forced everything today, I like to see him trying a defence splitting pass...but not every single time he gets on the ball
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Most frustrating thing for me was that had we replicated either of the Chelsea performances today, we win that game. Son aside they are bang average, but he was outstanding and we couldn’t cope with him at all. We, on the other hand, cannot afford to have 3 or 4 players playing poorly and it showed.
That's the joy of footy.
We took on a weaker opposition today and were way off it.
Matt Cash who has been brilliant overhit so many crosses today.
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Nakamba for Ramsey would have made sense, especially after the booking. Ramsey is an excellent player but seems rather off the boil and out of his depth at the moment.
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I personally think Ramsey is the weak link in that midfield three. He's alright, but we needed something in there today and i'm not sure he was it.
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Didn't think we were as bad as being made out by some on here. Thought we were far too open in midfield in the first half, but thought we started to get a foothold in the game before we equalised and then briefly looked like we might go on to get another. Disappointing to get caught on the break for their second at a time when we were looking the more threatening side and we just didn't really get back into it after that.
That’s my take on it as well. The fact that we can’t consistently put together performances like last week is why we probably won’t make top six, but top six is a high bar considering where we have come from.
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No-one seemed to play well and changes should have been made at half time to freshen it up.
Hard to take this one, especially as I had to call my Brother back today and him being a Spurzzz fan as well. At least he had other things on his mind so didn't rub it in too much, having to contend with 5 feet Alligators on the golf course he was playing on today in Florida.
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I think we have to accept we're an inconsistent team that is not going to click all the time. You see it in individual matches - good half, bad half.
So long as we continue to build overall consistency then we'll be moving in the right direction. The positive point is that we have shown that when we are really on our game, we can be unplayable. Two fantastic results against decent sides followed by a 2-1 defeat away from home against a side who raised their game on recent performances is not really cause for despair.
DS is fucking infuriating at times, I agree, but it's not just him, it's the whole coaching staff. So long as they make these mistakes less and less frequently, then we'll be ok.
I do think we might have allowed our expectations to get ahead of us this season, though, we've sold our best player in decades and yes, we've spent the money well by the looks of it and have a much strengthened squad, but that sort of change takes a while to bed in.
I think that's as good a comment I've read in a while. I didn't think we were great today at all. I think in some ways we need to start again now Joe has gone. We'll get there, we might only finish 10th but that's fine because long term, I think there's a lot to be optimistic about.
Agreed. The voice of reason.
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Utter tosh.
Passing diabolical, second to everything.
How come we can all see that Watkins and Ings doesn't work, but Dean insists on starting them both repeatedly ?
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Smith could have made a statement and dragged a player off before half time. So many players that played well last week were missing today and that's not acceptable if you aim to be a top side. Mings was for me typical of the team, constantly giving the ball back to the opposition, love JMs passion but the hunger just wasn't there, Watkins scored the type of goal we have come to expect from him but he can't do it from wide on the left. Hause did okay and wasn't anywhere near the poorest defender.
I call Dean Smith the sixtieth minute man, because no matter how poor the team are playing he never puts a sub on until the sixtieth minute, halfway through the first half it was clear we were in trouble and Ramsey was not having any effect in midfield, Spurs were creating nightmares for our wingbacks and finding gaps far too easily and Watkins and Ings combo isn't what we hoped it would be. I believe Dean is great at improving players but i wish we had someone else to manage the team during the match.
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It was just one of those days. Fairly evident after the first 5-10 minutes that we weren’t really at it. We just never really got going and I think Spurs probably deserve a bit of credit for not letting us settle into our stride. I think that’s indicative of our season to date that we haven’t really got going. Seems to be a case of 2 steps forward and 1 back. It’s frustrating, but we shouldn’t start flapping after losing at Spurs. In hindsight they were very unlikely to be as shit as they were against Arsenal this week, although you couldn’t help but feel they were there for the taking.
Nobody really put in a performance today anywhere near the level against MU. Ramsey who has been so impressive recently was rightly subbed. I’m starting to feel a bit like buying Buendia may have been a bit of a mistake. I’ve yet to see him justify his price tag if I’m honest about it. Hindsight again but we probably needed to change it up for today as maybe we had become a bit predictable and easier to plan against with the 3-5-2. Who knows? Wasn’t our day and they need to sort it out ahead of the Wolves match. Not sure the international break will do us any favours as I reckon it’s one of those that shouldn’t be dwelled on and just get out there and play the next match.
Have to say- that ground looks fantastic in TV and both sets of fans were quite loud, sounded like a good day out apart from the football! I do dislike that ‘When the Spurs’ song though, very annoying.
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Meh. One thing that I find frustrating is how one-footed McGinn is. Smarter opponents know to keep him on the right foot and anticipate when he tries to shift left.
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i wonder if Arsenal would swap Buendia for ESR - that young lad looks fantastic in a poor Arsenal side
Currently we have lost 3 out of our first 7 league games at this rate we will lose about 15 games this season
If you cannot win the game do not lose it!!
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Even Arsenal aren’t that daft.
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Not sure why on all the boards people are on a downer about Ramsey, wasn't our worst performer yesterday, has been brilliant in most games this season and only young. Give him a break.
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I agree, Ramsey was no better or any worse than the rest of the team. It was a poor performance and in situations like this you need your best players to really raise the game to inspire. Picking on a youth academy graduate who’s been nothing short of excellent is all rather odd.
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I watched the first half on whatever channel Keys and Gray present and I must say that I was alarmed at the roundness of Richards Keys' head.
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Nakamba would have given the ball away just as much if not more than the rest of them though
And wouldn’t have gone forward with the ball In an positive manner
So I’m not convinced it would have been the right call
Ramsey was lost today...
But taking him off and bringing in Buendia left us even more open in midfield
Nakamba for Hause...would have made us a lot more solid I think. Luiz was decent enough though...McGinn forced everything today, I like to see him trying a defence splitting pass...but not every single time he gets on the ball
I don’t think he was lost, certainly no more so than anyone else
It’s just a casual throwaway line which makes no sense and isn’t true
Not saying he had a great game. but he wasn’t lost imo
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Disappointing performance/result.
Days like yesterday will happen until £90+m of recently acquired talent is integrated fully into the starting 11, but that isn't going to happen with one continually injured and another off-form and Ings (a proven pl goalscorer) being deprived of the service he needs to thrive...and then there's the mercurial talent of Traore to fit into the team. Coach Danks is supposed to be an "offensive specialist". I hope his view of offensive isn't just Cash and Targett running up and down the wing because if that's the case we should have got him in earlier and saved ourselves some money.
It seems to me that yesterday was the kind of game where we needed a dominant central midfielder that plenty were calling for last transfer window.
Anyway onto the next game where hopefully we can get back on track. UTV!
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Just found out that one of my colleagues John has passed on the weekend. He was an avid Spurs fan and a wonderful guy. Helped me through mental health issues by being a great listener and providing great support in my time of need. I'll toast this one Spurs victory in his honour. RIP John.
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I wanted half time changes today as we've got a strong squad.
Something which we haven't had for a long time.
Yeah, should have gone 4-3-3 at half time, with Hause off for Buendia or Traore. From what I've heard of the game (only listened to it on R5L - a story of "when will our 'arry score his first League goal?!"), the chickens sussed out our tactics pretty much from the start and - with Son and Moura up top - were able to bypass much of our team. Additionally, the MF 3 that the chickens put out was very combative and physical; something we struggled with.
We needed to get more front-foot, as we have been for the previous 2-3 games.
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Wasn't a good day at the office but great day with friends at match.
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I didn't think we were quite as bad as some here are saying. I saw it pretty much as DS did, two well matched teams with Son the difference, he really was wonderful.
Too many players were wasteful in possesion and the full backs didnt get high enough and when they did were again pretty sloppy on numerous occasions.
I thought Hause was our MOM, until Son made him look like he was wading through concrete for the winner.
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i wonder if Arsenal would swap Buendia for ESR - that young lad looks fantastic in a poor Arsenal side
Currently we have lost 3 out of our first 7 league games at this rate we will lose about 15 games this season
If you cannot win the game do not lose it!!
I think its a bit early to write someone off after 7 games
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We weren't world beaters last week and we're not relegation candidates this week. I thought McGinn and JJ were as poor yesterday as they were good seven days ago, and that's hard for any team to cope with. Throw in some other poor performances and you're on a loser whichever way you look at it.
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I agree, Ramsey was no better or any worse than the rest of the team. It was a poor performance and in situations like this you need your best players to really raise the game to inspire. Picking on a youth academy graduate who’s been nothing short of excellent is all rather odd.
What do you mean picking on a youth academy graduate...what's that got to do with it? How long ago was it since he last played in academy games, two season ago?
The kid had a bad day and I'm sure he knows it. It doesn't mean people cannot comment on his performance.
FWIW, I don't blame Ramsey one bit for yesterday's poor show. They were all below par, but I do blame Smith for not recognising that things needed changing earlier.
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Just found out that one of my colleagues John has passed on the weekend. He was an avid Spurs fan and a wonderful guy. Helped me through mental health issues by being a great listener and providing great support in my time of need. I'll toast this one Spurs victory in his honour. RIP John.
Sorry to hear this. RIP
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After following the villa for 50+ years there is one word I associate with them more than anything...Frustrating.
Indeed, should be the nickname!!!
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I decided to to watch the Sky replay of the game last night having read the remarks on here. Frankly I think a lot of posters are lets say getting a bit 'emotional' with their judgements. The first 20 mins was pretty even, Spurs were pinned back most of the time. They got a goal from a mistake by McGinn and after that played very high snapping into tackles whenever we tried to feed the ball into the strikers.
We took the game to them in the second half and equalised with a pretty well worked goal. They then caught us again when Cash was in an advanced position and Song isolated Hause then stood him up then used his pace to get past him.
As for managing the last 5mins they took the ball to the corner and kept it there.
One of those days I am afraid but certainly not the disaster some seem to think.
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As he is not in the Argentina squad, I would bring Buendia into the starting line up against Wolves, probably at the expense of Ramsey, who has done well, but maybe needs a few matches out of the spotlight.
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Nakamba would have given the ball away just as much if not more than the rest of them though
And wouldn’t have gone forward with the ball In an positive manner
So I’m not convinced it would have been the right call
Ramsey was lost today...
But taking him off and bringing in Buendia left us even more open in midfield
Nakamba for Hause...would have made us a lot more solid I think. Luiz was decent enough though...McGinn forced everything today, I like to see him trying a defence splitting pass...but not every single time he gets on the ball
I don’t think he was lost, certainly no more so than anyone else
It’s just a casual throwaway line which makes no sense and isn’t true
Not saying he had a great game. but he wasn’t lost imo
He didn't affect the game in any way for us. A complete passenger unfortunately. The fact he came from our academy shouldn't mean he is immune from criticism after a poor performance.
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No but the fact that he's only 20 should earn him a bit of leeway, surely. He's just a babbie!
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Nakamba would have given the ball away just as much if not more than the rest of them though
And wouldn’t have gone forward with the ball In an positive manner
So I’m not convinced it would have been the right call
Ramsey was lost today...
But taking him off and bringing in Buendia left us even more open in midfield
Nakamba for Hause...would have made us a lot more solid I think. Luiz was decent enough though...McGinn forced everything today, I like to see him trying a defence splitting pass...but not every single time he gets on the ball
I don’t think he was lost, certainly no more so than anyone else
It’s just a casual throwaway line which makes no sense and isn’t true
Not saying he had a great game. but he wasn’t lost imo
He didn't affect the game in any way for us. A complete passenger unfortunately. The fact he came from our academy shouldn't mean he is immune from criticism after a poor performance.
Nor should it mean that he is the 1st to be criticised
No one affected the game too much outside of the actual goal scored
Like I said I’m not saying he had a great game at all but he was no different from 10 other players on the pitch
I still saw him do some good things always positive looking to take the more forward as usual
I don’t think he was as bad as you say but that’s only my opinion
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Utter tosh.
Passing diabolical, second to everything.
How come we can all see that Watkins and Ings doesn't work, but Dean insists on starting them both repeatedly ?
Because they've played a handful of games, and whilst it isn't flourishing just yet, they've both scored goals and both know how to. We need an adaptable system, with adaptable players. Give them time.
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Utter tosh.
Passing diabolical, second to everything.
How come we can all see that Watkins and Ings doesn't work, but Dean insists on starting them both repeatedly ?
Because they've played a handful of games, and whilst it isn't flourishing just yet, they've both scored goals and both know how to. We need an adaptable system, with adaptable players. Give them time.
So how many games should it take to work?
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The problem is, when Bailey's fit, the only way to fit him, Buendia, Ings and Watkins in to the same side is to play 4-4-2, and I don't think our midfield will cope with that.
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The problem is, when Bailey's fit, the only way to fit him, Buendia, Ings and Watkins in to the same side is to play 4-4-2, and I don't think our midfield will cope with that.
They won't...Smith will know I'm sure what has to be done here and ultimately it's to drop Ings...but that means upsetting his new big money forward.
Realistically we are looking at a formation similar to Liverpool. 2 out of Traore, AEG, Buendia and Bailey. 1 from Watkins and Ings. 3 from Luiz, Ramsey, Nakamba, McGinn, Sanson. Everyone fully fit and personally I think we have a player too many....
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The problem is, when Bailey's fit, the only way to fit him, Buendia, Ings and Watkins in to the same side is to play 4-4-2, and I don't think our midfield will cope with that.
They won't...Smith will know I'm sure what has to be done here and ultimately it's to drop Ings...but that means upsetting his new big money forward.
Realistically we are looking at a formation similar to Liverpool. 2 out of Traore, AEG, Buendia and Bailey. 1 from Watkins and Ings. 3 from Luiz, Ramsey, Nakamba, McGinn, Sanson. Everyone fully fit and personally I think we have a player too many....
I dont think its a given he’ll drop Ings when everyones fit, i can see a three of him, Watkins and Bailey at times. At other times beundia and bailey on either side of ollie or Ings
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I read here that Ramsey made no contribution in the game.
Please explain then how on my screen he was involved in the move that lead to our equaliser? So much so he was caught by a late tackle that rightly brought the offender a booking.