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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on September 22, 2021, 10:07:03 PM
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Proud.
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Disappointing but that's the nature of penalties.
Plenty of positives:
Sanson looked lively before he went off
Great goal from Archer
Cash back on form
Buendia getting 90 minutes under his belt
Carney and Philogene Bidace looked decent
Some negatives:
Sanson going off injured
Would have hoped for carney ahead of nakamba for the penalties, as good as nakamba has been recently, shooting has never been his strength
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Did well, by the sounds of it. If we hadn't kept getting players injured, we might have won. Maybe Archer can come off the bench and score a late winner on Saturday to make up for all the times those ****** have done it to us.
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Unlucky lads! UTV!
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Good to hear about some cracking play from everyone.
Well done, Cam!
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That was a really good game.
I thought two of the more experienced players let us down on occasion, in Young and Buendia. But we were well on top at times too.
Archer looked great although should have put the other one in. Hause pulled off an inch perfect tackle on Lukaku just as he was about to pull the trigger. Sanson looked the real deal until his injury. JPB always looks confident and beats his man so often.
Gutted to lose on penalties. But with that performance Fred and Wilma look a bit daft with the ‘I told you sos.’
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Would have hoped for carney ahead of nakamba for the penalties, as good as nakamba has been recently, shooting has never been his strength
I thought it was more a cracking save than a poor penalty.
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Surely Cash would've been a better option than Marv?
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We didn't win but DS will have learned a lot from that game. All credit to the Villa youngsters, they had to get Lukaku on to try and get them over the line. I suspect a few of the penalty takers have never been in that position before, noticabley none of the kids had the pressure put on them. Great goal by Archer and none of the kids looked out of place. The future is bright.
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Good performance, all things considered a good game, made them work for the win, thing is, we may have lost on penalties, but they can only say they beat us on penalties, well done the Villa, we are evolving, its coming together well in my opinion.
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Very proud of them, superb performance, but also feeling a tiny bit pissed off that Smith didn't have one or two older heads to call on later on.
Scores:
Steer - 7 - Should have done better for the goal but some great saves
Cash - 8 - Great all night and superb assist for Archer's goal
Tuanzebe - 9 - Commanding and calm all evening.
Hause - 8 - solid, and a brilliant tackle late on to keep us in it.
Young - 5 - Looked ropey and ill at ease all night, given the run around by Hudson-Adoi. Should have played Targett instead.
Nakamba - 7 - Looked very decent, protcetd the defence superbly and passing more than OK.
Sanson - 8 - very good until injury ruined his night. (Chuk 7, took a while to get going, but very good by the end).
Traore - 7.5 - usual lovely touches but has added athleticism and closing down to his game. Right foot still only for standing on!
Buendia - 5 - did very little, and looked like he was the untried youth player. Very weak.
El Ghazi - 6 - OK with the ball at his feet, using the ball as crap as ever.
Archer - 8 - Got into good areas, 3 good efforts, one magnificent goal.
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Considering how many kids we had we played really, really well.
Buendia has some settling in to do, hopefully quickly.
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Cash had gone off. I think there's loads more pressure on penalties when you're behind. If Young scores and whoever took their second had missed, our Marv may well have smashed it in. Not that I really blame Young, either. Even the very best miss penalties from time to time.
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Surely Cash would've been a better option than Marv?
He was subbed
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Disappointed we didn't have more experience on the bench, but can't fault the players at all and great experience for the youngsters.
I do blame Smith for putting Nakamba in the 5 penalty takers. Did anyone think he would score?
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Considering how many kids we had we played really, really well.
Buendia has some settling in to do, hopefully quickly.
He was shit. Sorry for being blunt, but he was. All of the kids looked far more suited to this level than he did.
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We aren’t much off the pace with Chelsea.
Long gone are the tonkings we had to endure.
The future is claret n blue.
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What a fucking shame.
Still, apart from Sanson a positive night really, all things considered. We don't look out of our league at these places any more, even with a weaker side than usual. The youth are making good progress with valuable minutes on the pitch as well. Big test on Saturday.
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Surely Cash would've been a better option than Marv?
He was subbed
My point stands, I think.
(I hadn't noticed the sub)
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Disappointed we didn't have more experience on the bench, but can't fault the players at all and great experience for the youngsters.
I do blame Smith for putting Nakamba in the 5 penalty takers. Did anyone think he would score?
I'd imagine they practise them lots and he scored them in training. He isn't picking the players on a whim.
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That header from Archer, we won't see many better goals than that all season. Absolute perfection.
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Think the fact we were shooting penalties towards the home fans didn’t help too. But maybe that’s just making an excuse.
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Surely Cash would've been a better option than Marv?
He was subbed
My point stands, I think.
(I hadn't noticed the sub)
He probably asked to be subbed to avoid taking one.
It's a disgrace, I'm contacting the club.
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Posted from other thread!
Steer 7 - some fine saves, never lets us down
Cash 8 - I've been critical of him in the past but he was brilliant tonight and great assist
Tuanzebe 7 - lost Tuchel a bit for the goal but that aside was very good, he's a fine defender at RCB
Hause 8 - A warrior, especially when Lukaku came on. Never lets us down and a warrior in the air.
Young 6 - lots of critical comments on match thread but I thought he did well v CHO. Not great with the ball though.
Nakamba 8 - excellent performance, surprising me of late
Sanson 7/Chucky 6 - Sanson was very impressive before injury, Chucky took a while to settle but made a few nice runs
Buendia 6 - did ok, missed a big chance but grafted hard. Bit of work to make our first X1
Traore 7 - fitness coming along nicely, surprised to see him come off to be honest so hope not injury related
AEG 7 - poor in first half bit seemed to grow a pair at half time and battled far harder in second half. Always gets into good positions, decent chance missed
Archer 8 - missed two big chances but a truly brilliant header. Good movement throughout
Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated. Seeing Tuchel throw on likes of Lukaku and Mount while we brought on kids was brilliant.
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Strong effort. Hope the injuries aren’t bad.
Great Archer scored and the youngsters looked promising.
Think we got the balance of the bench wrong. It may not have made a difference, but Ollie or Ings coming on would have been good.
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If you can’t take the positives from that then I’m afraid you’re beyond help.
Small town in Fulham bringing on £175 million worth of subs in Mount and Loocarcoo to beat a team half full of youth sums it up.
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Think the fact we were shooting penalties towards the home fans didn’t help too. But maybe that’s just making an excuse.
I think a lot of our penalty wins have been in front of the opposition fans. Inter, Tranmere and Bolton, off the top of my head. Baggies was about 50/50.
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well played
After they scored they had a strong spell and I thought, here we go.
Well, go we did. Great goal by Archer and we could have won, Then so could they
Anyone who did not enjoy that is a misery. Could groan about about the penalties, Nkamba was pretty crap, but onwards to Saturday any positive outcome there gratefully received.
And our youngsters even to an old sceptic like me look the part.
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If you can’t take the positives from that then I’m afraid you’re beyond help.
Small town in Fulham bringing on £175 million worth of subs in Mount and Loocarcoo to beat a team half full of youth sums it up.
And they still couldn't win in the 90.
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Surely Cash would've been a better option than Marv?
He was subbed
My point stands, I think.
(I hadn't noticed the sub)
Apparently Cash is fuming, He aint having no one say he wouldn't take a peno, when he offered to.
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Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated. Seeing Tuchel throw on likes of Lukaku and Mount while we brought on kids was brilliant.
Well it's obviously not *fully* vindicated or we'd be in the next round.
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Disappointed we didn't have more experience on the bench, but can't fault the players at all and great experience for the youngsters.
I do blame Smith for putting Nakamba in the 5 penalty takers. Did anyone think he would score?
Nakamba played very well but I have to say I was stunned to see him taking one. Ball striking not his strength. Archer after scoring surely would have been a better bet.
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Anyhow.
We are going to give them a game on Saturday.
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Tonight showed our improved squad depth as well as the quality emerging from our academy. Also I couldn't help but think Cameron Archer has gone from failing to get a chance off the bench at Solihull Moors to scoring against the European champions and making royalty jump off their seat in less than six months. Hopefully he will be emblematic to our trajectory this season.
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Great effort from the team and so pleased that Archer got his goal.
Some real positives from tonight and valuable experience for the younger members of the squad.
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Posted from other thread!
Steer 7 - some fine saves, never lets us down
Cash 8 - I've been critical of him in the past but he was brilliant tonight and great assist
Tuanzebe 7 - lost Tuchel a bit for the goal but that aside was very good, he's a fine defender at RCB
Hause 8 - A warrior, especially when Lukaku came on. Never lets us down and a warrior in the air.
Young 6 - lots of critical comments on match thread but I thought he did well v CHO. Not great with the ball though.
Nakamba 8 - excellent performance, surprising me of late
Sanson 7/Chucky 6 - Sanson was very impressive before injury, Chucky took a while to settle but made a few nice runs
Buendia 6 - did ok, missed a big chance but grafted hard. Bit of work to make our first X1
Traore 7 - fitness coming along nicely, surprised to see him come off to be honest so hope not injury related
AEG 7 - poor in first half bit seemed to grow a pair at half time and battled far harder in second half. Always gets into good positions, decent chance missed
Archer 8 - missed two big chances but a truly brilliant header. Good movement throughout
Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated. Seeing Tuchel throw on likes of Lukaku and Mount while we brought on kids was brilliant.
I thought Tuchel was on the bench with his coaching staff and subs?
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Proud of the team that played tonight however with a slightly different selection we would have won this in the 90 minutes. And surely the young boys Chukwuemeka or Archer would have been a better choice than Nakamba.
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In the longer term, maybe a good call to keep the kids away from the penalties. Their confidence building is just as vital as building their skills and experience.
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Playing devil's advocate, if Ings or Watkins had been on the bench then Cam might not have been on the pitch to score the equaliser.
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Think the fact we were shooting penalties towards the home fans didn’t help too. But maybe that’s just making an excuse.
Wasn't Ashley raging when the ref did the toss-up for ends? I think he did a best of three,bizarrely
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Strong effort. Hope the injuries aren’t bad.
Great Archer scored and the youngsters looked promising.
Think we got the balance of the bench wrong. It may not have made a difference, but Ollie or Ings coming on would have been good.
If they were...its likely Archer may have been withdrawn before his goal. I'd have liked Watkins on the bench as I think he needs the minutes but those 90 mins tonight will have brought Archer on hugely.
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Think the fact we were shooting penalties towards the home fans didn’t help too. But maybe that’s just making an excuse.
Wasn't Ashley raging when the ref did the toss-up for ends? I think he did a best of three,bizarrely
I thought it looked fishy.
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Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated.
Plucky performance yes but how was the selection fully vindicated? We are out of the cup.
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In the longer term, maybe a good call to keep the kids away from the penalties. Their confidence building is just as vital as building their skills and experience.
Agreed. I think it was the correct decision.
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Sanson was hopefully just a concussion sub?! I watched the game with no sound.. He looked good whilst on the pitch. Archer could have had a hat trick and if the first had gone in he probably would have, a coming of age performance. The timing and the pace of his runs were superb, a prospect for sure. The back up CB's were sound, by and large, and even Nakamba performed better than I expected. Chucky did ok. El Ghazi did what he does. Traore looked on the verge of being a very useful addition.... It's positive despite the doomsayers worst predictions... "disgrace", "if we are still in it a half time it will be the best I expect" ... from memory, sorry for misquoting you Monty. Happy in defeat...
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Posted from other thread!
Steer 7 - some fine saves, never lets us down
Cash 8 - I've been critical of him in the past but he was brilliant tonight and great assist
Tuanzebe 7 - lost Tuchel a bit for the goal but that aside was very good, he's a fine defender at RCB
Hause 8 - A warrior, especially when Lukaku came on. Never lets us down and a warrior in the air.
Young 6 - lots of critical comments on match thread but I thought he did well v CHO. Not great with the ball though.
Nakamba 8 - excellent performance, surprising me of late
Sanson 7/Chucky 6 - Sanson was very impressive before injury, Chucky took a while to settle but made a few nice runs
Buendia 6 - did ok, missed a big chance but grafted hard. Bit of work to make our first X1
Traore 7 - fitness coming along nicely, surprised to see him come off to be honest so hope not injury related
AEG 7 - poor in first half bit seemed to grow a pair at half time and battled far harder in second half. Always gets into good positions, decent chance missed
Archer 8 - missed two big chances but a truly brilliant header. Good movement throughout
Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated. Seeing Tuchel throw on likes of Lukaku and Mount while we brought on kids was brilliant.
I thought Tuchel was on the bench with his coaching staff and subs?
Haha, the other German...Tuchel might be a better forward than him
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Playing devil's advocate, if Ings or Watkins had been on the bench then Cam might not have been on the pitch to score the equaliser.
Yeah potentially, but I still think we’d be before off we more balance there.
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In the longer term, maybe a good call to keep the kids away from the penalties. Their confidence building is just as vital as building their skills and experience.
I get that.
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Posted from other thread!
Steer 7 - some fine saves, never lets us down
Cash 8 - I've been critical of him in the past but he was brilliant tonight and great assist
Tuanzebe 7 - lost Tuchel a bit for the goal but that aside was very good, he's a fine defender at RCB
Hause 8 - A warrior, especially when Lukaku came on. Never lets us down and a warrior in the air.
Young 6 - lots of critical comments on match thread but I thought he did well v CHO. Not great with the ball though.
Nakamba 8 - excellent performance, surprising me of late
Sanson 7/Chucky 6 - Sanson was very impressive before injury, Chucky took a while to settle but made a few nice runs
Buendia 6 - did ok, missed a big chance but grafted hard. Bit of work to make our first X1
Traore 7 - fitness coming along nicely, surprised to see him come off to be honest so hope not injury related
AEG 7 - poor in first half bit seemed to grow a pair at half time and battled far harder in second half. Always gets into good positions, decent chance missed
Archer 8 - missed two big chances but a truly brilliant header. Good movement throughout
Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated. Seeing Tuchel throw on likes of Lukaku and Mount while we brought on kids was brilliant.
I thought Tuchel was on the bench with his coaching staff and subs?
He's obviously pissed, he gave El Ghazi a 7. ;)
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I've seen idiots on Facebook claiming we never win a penalty shootout and that Steer is useless saving them. Are they for real or what? That's only the second time I can remember Villa losing a penalty shootout and the first time we did the match was replayed.
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Played really well, a really enjoyable game to watch. Marv was ace, still gives me heart attacks when he tries a Cruyff in a tight spot. His pen was OK, picked a spot hit hard, good save from the keeper.
Can't really knock any of them, maybe Emi and El Ghazi could've done a bit more, but they didn't have shockers.
Would've loved to have been able to bring on Ings or Watkins for the last 20 though.
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Deano 8 - ballsy selection but fully vindicated. Seeing Tuchel throw on likes of Lukaku and Mount while we brought on kids was brilliant.
Well it's obviously not *fully* vindicated or we'd be in the next round.
We need to remember that if we want to hoover up all these fantastic kids we've got to reward them with first team football. It's all well and good training with the first team squad every day, even making the bench but nothing comes close to running out with the first team on a match day.
Dean may have weaknesses but bringing through the kids ain't one. It's just a shame their cup run has come to an end but the experience will have done them the world of good.
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We lost to Wimbledon once, too. We still have a fairly good record, though, and Steer was instrumental in our penalty shoot-out victory against Albion which, if we are being honest, was the most important one in our history.
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I've seen idiots on Facebook claiming we never win a penalty shootout and that Steer is useless saving them. Are they for real or what? That's only the second time I can remember Villa losing a penalty shootout and the first time we did the match was replayed.
They obviously don’t follow Villa or haven’t done for long.
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We lost to Wimbledon once, too. We still have a fairly good record, though, and Steer was instrumental in our penalty shoot-out victory against Albion which, if we are being honest, was the most important one in our history.
Ahem, the Peace Cup?
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where is the troll ?
forgot to mention in my post, Tuchel really is a bit of a prick.
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I am grateful to Jed for his past heroics but tonight he really was crap during pens. Comical stuff.
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We lost to Wimbledon once, too. We still have a fairly good record, though, and Steer was instrumental in our penalty shoot-out victory against Albion which, if we are being honest, was the most important one in our history.
14 May 2019
Penalty shoot out
Jed Steer's Aston Villa 4-3 Tesco Carrier Bags.
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When we beat Chelsea on pens in the FA Cup final in May we'll laugh about this. ;D
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I am grateful to Jed for his past heroics but tonight he really was crap during pens. Comical stuff.
Nearly got last one? Went a bit early for the first few alright
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Very proud of them, superb performance, but also feeling a tiny bit pissed off that Smith didn't have one or two older heads to call on later on.
Scores:
Steer - 7 - Should have done better for the goal but some great saves
Cash - 8 - Great all night and superb assist for Archer's goal
Tuanzebe - 9 - Commanding and calm all evening.
Hause - 8 - solid, and a brilliant tackle late on to keep us in it.
Young - 5 - Looked ropey and ill at ease all night, given the run around by Hudson-Adoi. Should have played Targett instead.
Nakamba - 7 - Looked very decent, protcetd the defence superbly and passing more than OK.
Sanson - 8 - very good until injury ruined his night. (Chuk 7, took a while to get going, but very good by the end).
Traore - 7.5 - usual lovely touches but has added athleticism and closing down to his game. Right foot still only for standing on!
Buendia - 5 - did very little, and looked like he was the untried youth player. Very weak.
El Ghazi - 6 - OK with the ball at his feet, using the ball as crap as ever.
Archer - 8 - Got into good areas, 3 good efforts, one magnificent goal.
I'd agree with all of these other than Young who did ok and I'd go with a 6.
Buendia gave exactly the performance I was worried about in the summer, he had a fair few games like this for Norwichbin the Premier league where he looked weak and slow. Teaching him to look after himself is the biggest job the coaches have this season.
I'm gutted Sanson came off, he was running the show, i really hope it wasn't anything major.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/chelsea-vs-a-villa/report/457301
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Think the fact we were shooting penalties towards the home fans didn’t help too. But maybe that’s just making an excuse.
Speaking of which wtf went on with coin toss? It ended up being done 3 times. My guess is Young called it right first time and wanted it at our end. The ref made them go for best of three. Very odd.
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We lost to Wimbledon once, too. We still have a fairly good record, though, and Steer was instrumental in our penalty shoot-out victory against Albion which, if we are being honest, was the most important one in our history.
We lost to Burton Albion just over 3 years ago in the LC. Now that was poor.
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The referee seemed to be doing his best to put El Ghazi off, too.
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We lost to Wimbledon once, too. We still have a fairly good record, though, and Steer was instrumental in our penalty shoot-out victory against Albion which, if we are being honest, was the most important one in our history.
We lost to Burton Albion just over 3 years ago in the LC. Now that was poor.
Not on penalties. We missed a late penalty which would have taken the game to penalties.
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Great battling performance. Would anyone have buendia starting before Ramsay No way
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny. You could tell just how small he looked compared to everybody else in the team when they were lined up for penalties. He's got skill of course, but whether that'll be enough at our level remains to be seen. From what I've seen so far this season, the youngsters coming through could well overtake him in the first team reckoning. Ramsey already looks better than him.
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We gave them a game & with a bit of luck could have nicked it. Can't fault any of the lads brought in. Fantastic header by Cameron.
Buendia looks well off the pace, works really hard & will get better. Sometimes we just need to be patient.
Sanson showed why he was bought, best player on the pitch until he went off.
We've come a long way in the last 3 seasons & we're now a match for anyone.
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I’d forgot the Wimbledon one. Some great penalties that night including one from Teale
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Well impressed with Sanson before he went off. Looked to have a bit of everything to his game. He looked distraught when he went off, which I hope doesn't mean it's a bad one again.
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny. You could tell just how small he looked compared to everybody else in the team when they were lined up for penalties. He's got skill of course, but whether that'll be enough at our level remains to be seen. From what I've seen so far this season, the youngsters coming through could well overtake him in the first team reckoning. Ramsey already looks better than him.
Doesn't help that he's being played at 10, on the right he's less likely to be crowded out.
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This is the really forgotten penalty shoot-out.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3591
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny. You could tell just how small he looked compared to everybody else in the team when they were lined up for penalties. He's got skill of course, but whether that'll be enough at our level remains to be seen. From what I've seen so far this season, the youngsters coming through could well overtake him in the first team reckoning. Ramsey already looks better than him.
Doesn't help that he's being played at 10, on the right he's less likely to be crowded out.
Agreed, the 10 position doesn't suit him at all. Every time somebody gets tight to him he's sent sprawling. I'd be playing Traore ahead of him on the wing though, I thought he was excellent tonight.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny. You could tell just how small he looked compared to everybody else in the team when they were lined up for penalties. He's got skill of course, but whether that'll be enough at our level remains to be seen. From what I've seen so far this season, the youngsters coming through could well overtake him in the first team reckoning. Ramsey already looks better than him.
Yes - he looks good, but it feels like he could be the least important signing we made this summer
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How did JPB and Chucky do, please?
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Think the fact we were shooting penalties towards the home fans didn’t help too. But maybe that’s just making an excuse.
Wasn't Ashley raging when the ref did the toss-up for ends? I think he did a best of three,bizarrely
I thought it looked fishy.
Regardless of outcome that is exactly what we need from streetwise senior pros. We have been too placid for decades
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny. You could tell just how small he looked compared to everybody else in the team when they were lined up for penalties. He's got skill of course, but whether that'll be enough at our level remains to be seen. From what I've seen so far this season, the youngsters coming through could well overtake him in the first team reckoning. Ramsey already looks better than him.
Doesn't help that he's being played at 10, on the right he's less likely to be crowded out.
Lacks pace for the right in our formation I think 🤔
Didn't he score in his last league game for us, bit of patience maybe. But after Sanson's performance tonight and even Traore, competition is hotting up.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny.
Buendia 1.71m
Messi 1.69m
Maradona 1.65m
Alan Wright 1.63m
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny.
Buendia 1.71m
Messi 1.69m
Maradona 1.65m
Alan Wright 1.63m
FFS WE VOTED LEAVE!11!!
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How did JPB and Chucky do, please?
Chucky was a bit lost early on. Mount came on at half time and we were struggling in midfield until after they scored really. He came into it then. Very comfortable with ball at his feet. JPB similar enough, fearless with ball. Took a bit of a kick off Barkley and didn't really see much of him afterwards.
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Ta. 🙂
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How did JPB and Chucky do, please?
Chucky was a bit lost early on. Mount came on at half time and we were struggling in midfield until after they scored really. He came into it then. Very comfortable with ball at his feet. JPB similar enough, fearless with ball. Took a bit of a kick off Barkley and didn't really see much of him afterwards.
Bit harsh on JPB.He was sublime I thought.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Mix it with Carabao energy drink if you really want to throw up.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
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Only listened to it on the radio, but from what I've heard the only real disappointment appears to be Buendia's performance, but I have everything confidence, he is a player who will have a great future with us. Well played Villa.
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Well there we go, when in Chelsea as they say. My good lady reckons a girl out of Made in Chelsea has just gone down the stairs to the loos. None the wiser.
We've been very loudly watching the Archer goal back off Twitter. Case of who let the Northern oiks into the pub!
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
I know that needs must and all that, Ads, but even as a recovering London ponce, I wouldn't have ever dreamed of going to a pub on the Kinds Road in all my years there.
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The problem with Buendia is he's tiny.
Buendia 1.71m
Messi 1.69m
Maradona 1.65m
Alan Wright 1.63m
He’s going to be just fine. Let him settle in, it’s taken a fair few others to settle in this league.
He’s got the talent for sure.
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Don't see how ducking a out of a cup competition can be seen as anything other than a negative.
We're not going to get relegated, so why not at least make an effort in the cups, as opposed to deciding we can't be arsed?
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Didn't we make an effort? It sounded like we did to me.
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We did.
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There's a queue to get into the cubicles. It's that type of pub
More from Ads has an expensive beer in a fancy pub after this break.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Overpriced is what that is.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
All but these four from the popular big brands it seems
Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
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Don't see how ducking a out of a cup competition can be seen as anything other than a negative.
We're not going to get relegated, so why at least make an effort in the cups, as opposed to deciding we can't be arsed?
Did you even watch the match?
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My lots buzzin coming back on the train
Very enjoyable match even though we went out on pens in the end
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Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Awful
Atrocious
Poor
Half-decent
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There's a queue to get into the cubicles. It's that type of pub
More from Ads has an expensive beer in a fancy pub after this break.
Ah, you should've said. As I said, needs must!
Hang on, unless you were after a tom tit, in which case you have my sympathy.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
You have to pay premium for refined finings. Remove unwanted organic compounds, innit?
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
All but these four from the popular big brands it seems
Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Yes, they're the big ones that still use isinglass for filtration. The website Barnivore is what I use to determine what I can and cannot drink.
Lager is usually okay (apart from Carling, Fosters and Kronenbourg) but lots of ales are not vegan or even vegetarian.
Wine is a mixed bag, with the problem being that the makers don't specify on the label and supermarkets don't have to.
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Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Awful
Atrocious
Poor
Half-decent
Yep, 1664 is the only one that is any loss to vegetarians/vegans.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
All but these four from the popular big brands it seems
Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Rancid...all four of them
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Anyway, back to the match...
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This is the really forgotten penalty shoot-out.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3591
I’ll never forget that one. Ran down from the back of the Holte to right behind the goal. Great stuff.
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This is the really forgotten penalty shoot-out.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3591
Ace. Thank you.
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Don't see how ducking a out of a cup competition can be seen as anything other than a negative.
We're not going to get relegated, so why at least make an effort in the cups, as opposed to deciding we can't be arsed?
Did you even watch the match?
Yes I did. I was very disappointed that we didn't have some of our big hitters at least on the bench. Not disputing the effort of the players who were on the field, but I am disputing the effort of the coaching staff's team selection.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
All but these four from the popular big brands it seems
Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Rancid...all four of them
The first 2 are woeful everywhere
The latter 2 are just about passable only in their country of origin. I am being kind to both
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It's always disappointing to go out of the competition that represents our best chance of winning something. I'm not going to criticise anybody, but every time we get knocked out of the League Cup, it is a kick in the balls.
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The future at Villa is very bright.
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Sat in the Caddogan Arms on the Kings Road nursing a £6.50 bottle of beer feeling very pleased with what I've seen tonight, despite losing the lottery at the end.
We have some seriously good kids.
How much!? I'd make that last all night.
Fabal lager, whatever that is!
Vegan lager, I kid you not.
Most lagers and beers are vegan. The other press release for it was it was exclusively English ingredients and made with both pressed and steamed barley. So all English and costs alot more. Sounds like they are aiming for a certain crowd really.
The non-vegan bit is usually finings. I don't know how many modern beers use a non-aquatic substitute because modern life is rubbish.
All but these four from the popular big brands it seems
Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Rancid...all four of them
The first 2 are woeful everywhere
The latter 2 are just about passable only in their country of origin. I am being kind to both
There are many fine local beers in Aus but I can't recall seeing Fosters too often on draft. Something about only exporting their crap around the world (VB aside which is vile). Stella is another rancid mainstream (UK) one. Tennents popular in Scotland and the north of Ireland, piss too.
Recent trip to Portugal, Sagres and Superbock...lovely stuff
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
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Superbock is ace!!
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
ASDA?
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Don't see how ducking a out of a cup competition can be seen as anything other than a negative.
We're not going to get relegated, so why at least make an effort in the cups, as opposed to deciding we can't be arsed?
Jog on
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
ASDA?
On tap 🙂
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
ASDA?
It might be the old 'brewed under licence' issue, I like an ice cold 'stubby' brewed by D&G but not keen on the cans of Red Stripe I've had in the UK.
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
ASDA?
It might be the old 'brewed under licence' issue, I like an ice cold 'stubby' brewed by D&G but not keen on the cans of Red Stripe I've had in the UK.
The little medicine bottles? I love those.
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Mexican beers aren't great. All the lagers taste the same (they all don't taste of anything) and all the 'dark beers' taste like McEwan's Export, which was famously* only ever seen in the wild in England on trains, being drunk by drunk Scotsmen returning to or from their homeland in the 1990s. I go for the 'dark beers'.
*I say 'famously'. I am the only person who recalls this.
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Mexican beers aren't great. All the lagers taste the same (they all don't taste of anything) and all the 'dark beers' taste like McEwan's Export, which was famously* only ever seen in the wild in England on trains, being drunk by drunk Scotsmen returning to or from their homeland in the 1990s. I go for the 'dark beers'.
*I say 'famously'. I am the only person who recalls this.
Oh no, I remember McEwan's Export. I had one in Glasgow, and it was so atrocious, Special Brew tasted okay afterwards.
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
ASDA?
It might be the old 'brewed under licence' issue, I like an ice cold 'stubby' brewed by D&G but not keen on the cans of Red Stripe I've had in the UK.
The little medicine bottles? I love those.
Yes, that's them. Back in the 90s they were 355ml bottles and didn't have the ABV on them (it was said this was because the strength varied a bit but that may have been apocryphal). Red Stripe light comes in a regular clear glass bottle which detracts from it but I tend to avoid light/lite beer anyway..
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Mexican beers aren't great. All the lagers taste the same (they all don't taste of anything) and all the 'dark beers' taste like McEwan's Export, which was famously* only ever seen in the wild in England on trains, being drunk by drunk Scotsmen returning to or from their homeland in the 1990s. I go for the 'dark beers'.
*I say 'famously'. I am the only person who recalls this.
Oh no, I remember McEwan's Export. I had one in Glasgow, and it was so atrocious, Special Brew tasted okay afterwards.
But on the trains though Rory, the trains. In the 1990s!
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I well remember a trip to Newcastle 1987, when after enduring another McNeill-inspired clamity and a couple of hours of excess drinking we boarded a train fo Carlisle. One of our party had twelve cans of Export with him, which he handed round. I managed one in the two-hour journey.
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I normally try and drink the local beers wherever I go but both 'Kalik' and 'Sands' in The Bahamas were absolutely shocking.
I thought they were OK.
I've only been within Europe - France, Germany, Poland, all beers were fantastic. I like a Red Stripe when I can find it.
ASDA?
It might be the old 'brewed under licence' issue, I like an ice cold 'stubby' brewed by D&G but not keen on the cans of Red Stripe I've had in the UK.
The little medicine bottles? I love those.
Yes, that's them. Back in the 90s they were 355ml bottles and didn't have the ABV on them (it was said this was because the strength varied a bit but that may have been apocryphal). Red Stripe light comes in a regular clear glass bottle which detracts from it but I tend to avoid light/lite beer anyway..
Yeah I've never seen Red Stripe light. Don't see the point really. If you want a 'light' beer, don't drink beer!
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Mexican beers aren't great. All the lagers taste the same (they all don't taste of anything) and all the 'dark beers' taste like McEwan's Export, which was famously* only ever seen in the wild in England on trains, being drunk by drunk Scotsmen returning to or from their homeland in the 1990s. I go for the 'dark beers'.
*I say 'famously'. I am the only person who recalls this.
Oh no, I remember McEwan's Export. I had one in Glasgow, and it was so atrocious, Special Brew tasted okay afterwards.
But on the trains though Rory, the trains. In the 1990s!
I didn't set foot on a train (excluding the Severn Valley Railway) until 2002, so long after the '90s peak of McEwan's Export, sadly! Any time I think of any Scottish beer, I just picture Colin Hendry.
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I well remember a trip to Newcastle 1987, when after enduring another McNeill-inspired clamity and a couple of hours of excess drinking we boarded a train fo Carlisle. One of our party had twelve cans of Export with him, which he handed round. I managed one in the two-hour journey.
That was a Herculean feat in itself. I poured the last third of my only ever can into a urinal. Dreadful stuff.
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Mexican beers aren't great. All the lagers taste the same (they all don't taste of anything) and all the 'dark beers' taste like McEwan's Export, which was famously* only ever seen in the wild in England on trains, being drunk by drunk Scotsmen returning to or from their homeland in the 1990s. I go for the 'dark beers'.
I've been known to enjoy a Negra Modelo/Modelo Negra or two. Not a fan at all of Corona, Sol etc. with Dos Equis somewhere in the middle.
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I well remember a trip to Newcastle 1987, when after enduring another McNeill-inspired clamity and a couple of hours of excess drinking we boarded a train fo Carlisle. One of our party had twelve cans of Export with him, which he handed round. I managed one in the two-hour journey.
I take the point from a seasoned ale man like yourself, Dave. But for a flighty dilettante like myself, a fizzy bitter does the trick at times.
I fully expect a ban. I've had a good innings. Wink.
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Mexican beers aren't great. All the lagers taste the same (they all don't taste of anything) and all the 'dark beers' taste like McEwan's Export, which was famously* only ever seen in the wild in England on trains, being drunk by drunk Scotsmen returning to or from their homeland in the 1990s. I go for the 'dark beers'.
I've been known to enjoy a Negra Modelo/Modelo Negra or two. Not a fan at all of Corona, Sol etc. with Dos Equis somewhere in the middle.
Dos Equis I can deal with. I'll have (at most) 2 Victorias on a hot afternoon. Modelo Negra is the one to keep you tided over until it's time for a mezcal.
A week and a half till I go back. Can't wait.
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Recent trip to Portugal, Sagres and Superbock...lovely stuff
It clears the dust. I regularly pick up a chilled 1.5 chilled of Sagres (2€) on the way home during the summer months. Anything more than a .33 bottle of Superbock gives me a bad head the next day. Hate it! That said they do a fantastic American Lager for 75 cents a bottle (it's always on promotion and I think I must buy most of it). Their IPA is pathetic. There's a few local superb micro breweries producing amazing IPA but why would I want to pay 4.50+ euros a bottle when I can have a decent session beer for a fraction of the price.
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I always go with Guinness. It often tastes like shite compared to a Dublin pint, but it's always a guaranteed minimum level of shite. I can't really drink lager or cider these days, they're just too fizzy. And I can't be certain if local/guest ales are vegan. So I normally look for the safe option.
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Not beer, but my cousin always raves about Italy and how, as soon as you leave a major city, you can go into a local store and get beautiful red wine for about one euro per litre, if you bring your own bottle. Never been, myself, but if it's true, that's where I'd like to retire to - some remote Italian cottage, eating pasta, fresh fruit, and in a permanent Chianti stupor.
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Not beer, but my cousin always raves about Italy and how, as soon as you leave a major city, you can go into a local store and get beautiful red wine for about one euro per litre, if you bring your own bottle. Never been, myself, but if it's true, that's where I'd like to retire to - some remote Italian cottage, eating pasta, fresh fruit, and in a permanent Chianti stupor.
We went to the Tuscan coast one autumn about 6 years ago. The first local shop I walked into had a five litre demijohn(?) of Chianti for 11 euro.
Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive
But to be drunk was very heaven
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Not beer, but my cousin always raves about Italy and how, as soon as you leave a major city, you can go into a local store and get beautiful red wine for about one euro per litre, if you bring your own bottle. Never been, myself, but if it's true, that's where I'd like to retire to - some remote Italian cottage, eating pasta, fresh fruit, and in a permanent Chianti stupor.
We went to the Tuscan coast one autumn about 6 years ago. The first local shop I walked into had a five litre demijohn(?) of Chianti for 11 euro.
Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive
But to be drunk was very heaven
And I've never been. Thanks Paddy. You've ruined my evening.
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You're not the first, Rory, and you won't be the last.
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Performance was generally good but disappointed smith went so weak on the bench. Chelsea were beatable and we blew it.
I would have been annoyed of one of our youngsters missed a pen as that could have destroyed them. Thats why im glad nakamaba stepped up as a senior player althoygh he missed rsther it was him than archer caleb or jpb
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Let's be clear on penalties & misses.
You haven't missed if your penalty is saved.
You have missed if you hit the bar/post(s) or clear the bar/post(s).
To have missed your shot must be off target.
Marvellous' penalty was quite a good one, the keeper guessed correctly and made a good save.
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That was a really good game of football, gutting to lose on penalties but our side should be very proud of themselves. We have some really talented youngsters who really look like they are going to not just make the grade but excel with us. They look fantastic. Archer took his goal brilliantly and could have had a few. Chuck made a pass to AEG I think, which was just so sublime if we scored it would have been a fantastic goal.
Superb performance and very unlucky. I really enjoyed it.
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Didn't watch any if it but it sounds as if we put in a good performance. It does look as if we have some very good kids coming through and not just the odd one or two either.
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Right now go get the points from them bastards on sat
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Performance was generally good but disappointed smith went so weak on the bench. Chelsea were beatable and we blew it.
I would have been annoyed of one of our youngsters missed a pen as that could have destroyed them. Thats why im glad nakamaba stepped up as a senior player althoygh he missed rsther it was him than archer caleb or jpb
The irony that we dont play our best players leading to potential cup wins being thrown away. Then we ask our best players to stay when they want to leave to win things. Last night in isolation wasn't bad but the cumulative of the last 27 years has been poor
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Performance was generally good but disappointed smith went so weak on the bench. Chelsea were beatable and we blew it.
I would have been annoyed of one of our youngsters missed a pen as that could have destroyed them. Thats why im glad nakamaba stepped up as a senior player althoygh he missed rsther it was him than archer caleb or jpb
Agree totally with the second point. I don't think it was the right time for either of those players to be put under that level of pressure.
Overall thought it was an excellent performance. Our second choice 11 looked a match for Chelsea's, which is a measure of how far we've come in a fairly short period.
I also think we were right to play the side we did. Looking at it longer term, it must've been a great experience for the younger lads - Cam in particular. It also gives a strong signal to the youngsters we've signed that there's a clear route in to the first team, and the coaching staff will reward their hard work with a chance to progress.
I do think we ought to be putting a higher priority on the cups generally, but am comfortable with the idea that right now, bringing homegrown players through the ranks is a higher priority still if we want to compete at the top end of the table sooner rather than later.
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I don't have any complaints over the team selection. It was still a strong side, and we need to keep a large squad happy and match ready. It wasn't like we put the whole youth team out there. Getting Chelsea away was pretty much the toughest draw we could have had, and even playing our best XI there were no guarantees. If we lose, pick up an injury to a key player and head to OT tired, it would be viewed as a waste. As it was we got valuable game time for our promising youngsters (who knows how much that will pay dividends in future), and with a bit of luck we'd have made it through. Good performances from Nakamba, Hause, Traore also keeps the pressure on the best XI. Overall it was a great investment in our future even if it is disappointing to be out.
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The kids were fantastic last night. They were all up for it, the atmosphere was incredible from the first minute to the last penalty. That will have done their development the world of good. And the Polish Cafu song seems to be gaining a lot of traction.
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As well as everything their accomplished performances will have done for the youth, it was a great endorsement for the plans of the owners.
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When I looked at our lineup compared to Chelseas I expected a tonking. What we got was a superb performance and Archer ably handled the pressure of leading the line against a lineup from Chelsea that Tuchel wouldn't hesitate to put out in the league (maybe Werner aside).
Penalties is the worst way to go out and I'd have liked a longer run as much to see the kids get more game time than anything else.
I think our academy prospects are proving they're ready to step in when called upon in the big time. We've certainly seen enough from Carney, Jacob and Archer to suggest they could have an impact. I really hope we do right by them and get the balance of how much time they should be getting on pitch. (And conversely not giving them too much of a financial reward too soon, which derailed the Fonz for example). We have to be building around these kids for the next 5-10 years going forward. Other clubs are doing likewise (fair play to James for the shitters, stepping up and taking the winning pen, he's come on quite impressively the last 2 years).
Exciting times ahead.
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Just a bit disappointed we didn't put out a better squad. They were there for the taking especially with that centre half pairing. That's tempered by the fact i'm not sure who was fit from the First XI to play so who knows really. Think it should have been taken more seriously that the Manc game though. See they got Southampton at home which is basically a bye to the QF. Ah well.
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I don't have any complaints over the team selection. It was still a strong side, and we need to keep a large squad happy and match ready. It wasn't like we put the whole youth team out there. Getting Chelsea away was pretty much the toughest draw we could have had, and even playing our best XI there were no guarantees. If we lose, pick up an injury to a key player and head to OT tired, it would be viewed as a waste. As it was we got valuable game time for our promising youngsters (who knows how much that will pay dividends in future), and with a bit of luck we'd have made it through. Good performances from Nakamba, Hause, Traore also keeps the pressure on the best XI. Overall it was a great investment in our future even if it is disappointing to be out.
Great post. We all want the youngsters to come through but to do it means being brave with it in matches like these.
Hopefully we're only a season and a kinder draw away from coasting to the semis with the 2nd string, and then taking it seriously like the bellend clubs.
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The kids were fantastic last night. They were all up for it, the atmosphere was incredible from the first minute to the last penalty. That will have done their development the world of good. And the Polish Cafu song seems to be gaining a lot of traction.
I’m guessing the Dirty Cash (Money Talks) song for Matty Cash that someone was trying to start at the Stoke friendly didn’t catch on then?
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I do find it funny that everyone criticised that Nakamba took a penalty and Young blasting off the crossbar is ignored.
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I do find it funny that everyone criticised that Nakamba took a penalty and Young blasting off the crossbar is ignored.
Young’s was much worse. A save is a save, but not even getting it on target is criminal.
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I do find it funny that everyone criticised that Nakamba took a penalty and Young blasting off the crossbar is ignored.
Young’s was much worse. A save is a save, but not even getting it on target is criminal.
Agreed if you take a decent penalty and it’s saved fair enough
There’s no excuses for professional players who miss the target
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Nakamba's was well struck, but the keeper had guessed and was already halfway there when he hit it.
Young's was just wank. He's never been convincing from the spot. Gareth Barry should've taken that.
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I thought Young overall was sloppy and had a feeling he'd miss his pen like he did when we played them in that 4-4 epic some years back. Same end too.
Still, a good run out for some of the younger players. Sanson looked decent, Bundeia didn't do much and was largely disappointing and he's going to have to work for his place on that showing.
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I think the team selection was spot on. Yeah, it's hugely disappointing to be out, but not for want of trying. Our kids might still technically be that, but they're being treated and trusted like everyone else in the senior squad. Archer coped superbly in his biggest start when a lesser character could have crumbled when looking around and seeing that he's both the vanguard and the cavalry. We're putting more and more weight on these lads' shoulders, and they're not buckling. So again, disappointed, but many pointers to an exciting future that's imminent.
And I thought Sanson was really good. Seems intelligent with the ability to back it up, picked the right pass every time. Wonderful pass for the Archer chance. Won't be back til Easter now, will he?
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Disappointed to go out on pens: a decent League Cup run would have been a nice winter warmer. Listening on the radio, it sounded a good performance though. Hope we can give Manure a game on Saturday.
It's our year for the FA Cup, it really is...
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Nakamba's was well struck, but the keeper had guessed and was already halfway there when he hit it.
Young's was just wank. He's never been convincing from the spot. Gareth Barry should've taken that.
Young was crap all night. They targeted him with Hudson-Adoi, and Young hardly got near him. It took Hause to bail him out loads of times. Then when he started getting chippy with the ref at the coin toss for penalties, I knew he’d miss it. After last night’s display I hope he’s only used for absolute emergencies now. Well past it.
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I do find it funny that everyone criticised that Nakamba took a penalty and Young blasting off the crossbar is ignored.
Young’s was much worse. A save is a save, but not even getting it on target is criminal.
Agreed if you take a decent penalty and it’s saved fair enough
There’s no excuses for professional players who miss the target
Funny that as I see it totally the other way round. Nakamba's pen was hit at a saveable height. Pro footballers should never do that. Young's pen was well hit and no way any keeper would have saved that but just a inch too high.
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Nakamba's was well struck, but the keeper had guessed and was already halfway there when he hit it.
Young's was just wank. He's never been convincing from the spot. Gareth Barry should've taken that.
Young was crap all night. They targeted him with Hudson-Adoi, and Young hardly got near him. It took Hause to bail him out loads of times. Then when he started getting chippy with the ref at the coin toss for penalties, I knew he’d miss it. After last night’s display I hope he’s only used for absolute emergencies now. Well past it.
I thought CHO was hopeless...got loads of the ball but didn't skin Young all that often, running into blind alleys usually and having to turn back. Young made a poor mistake in the first half alright, getting caught under the ball and Ziyech broke free but don't recall many more.
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Really bug bearer of mine on penalties...obviously if it's someone like El Ghazi who's ice cold in that situation you just leave them to it and pick their corner. Young frustrating but he's scored many in the past.
With Nakamba and other players who never really take them I'd always just advise them to hit it down the middle. Obviously don't make it clear with run up and put some height on it so keeper dosen't kick it away with his foot when diving but I'm always surprised more players don't do it as a keeper will dive 9/10 so odds are pretty strong in your favour.
Can remember one of the Italy players doing it at a crucial point in the euros final. Troy Deeney always tends to do it and keepers still can't save them despite not even diving.
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I'm so happy with the way we played we were brilliant the kids played brilliantly just unlucky to lose on penalties.
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Great performance but, bottom line is that we are yet again out of a cup. I could understand the starting line up but our bench was so poor. We are not going to win the league anytime soon so, why not at least try to win a cup competition and, raise our profile at the same time?
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Really bug bearer of mine on penalties...obviously if it's someone like El Ghazi who's ice cold in that situation you just leave them to it and pick their corner. Young frustrating but he's scored many in the past.
With Nakamba and other players who never really take them I'd always just advise them to hit it down the middle. Obviously don't make it clear with run up and put some height on it so keeper dosen't kick it away with his foot when diving but I'm always surprised more players don't do it as a keeper will dive 9/10 so odds are pretty strong in your favour.
Can remember one of the Italy players doing it at a crucial point in the euros final. Troy Deeney always tends to do it and keepers still can't save them despite not even diving.
The trouble is do that, and the keeper stands still and you look a right Charlie. It shouldn’t be beyond the ability of any professional footballer to kick a ball from that distance hard and to one of the corners, regardless of height.
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Great performance but, bottom line is that we are yet again out of a cup. I could understand the starting line up but our bench was so poor. We are not going to win the league anytime soon so, why not at least try to win a cup competition and, raise our profile at the same time?
But it's not that simple is it? We need a big squad and youth players coming through. If they can't get a run out in the Carabo Cup when do you suggest? It's not just about having a big squad it's about keeping that squad match ready, and crucially it's about keeping them happy or you'll find we start to lose the very squad they are carefully building and desperately need to push on as a club.
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It is that simple…what I’m saying is put youngsters on the bench but, keep a couple of the subs for a couple of experienced players, who may be able to affect the result. As far as I can see, most teams keep a couple of strikers on the bench, for these cup matches. Also, I’m at the wrong age in my life so, can’t wait for another 5/10 year project to pan out. Apologies.
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I don't have any complaints over the team selection. It was still a strong side, and we need to keep a large squad happy and match ready. It wasn't like we put the whole youth team out there. Getting Chelsea away was pretty much the toughest draw we could have had, and even playing our best XI there were no guarantees. If we lose, pick up an injury to a key player and head to OT tired, it would be viewed as a waste. As it was we got valuable game time for our promising youngsters (who knows how much that will pay dividends in future), and with a bit of luck we'd have made it through. Good performances from Nakamba, Hause, Traore also keeps the pressure on the best XI. Overall it was a great investment in our future even if it is disappointing to be out.
Great post. We all want the youngsters to come through but to do it means being brave with it in matches like these.
Hopefully we're only a season and a kinder draw away from coasting to the semis with the 2nd string, and then taking it seriously like the bellend clubs.
Bring on the kids!
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It is that simple…what I’m saying is put youngsters on the bench but, keep a couple of the subs for a couple of experienced players, who may be able to affect the result. As far as I can see, most teams keep a couple of strikers on the bench, for these cup matches. Also, I’m at the wrong age in my life so, can’t wait for another 5/10 year project to pan out. Apologies.
I agree broadly with what your saying but I do think it's a bit of a damned if you don't damned if you do situation. We're getting that big squad together that we know we need and we also want to see the best of the kids given a go but only 15 of the squad can ever be used on a match day so someone always misses out and someone will always say why didn't they do this or that when we lose.But I'm still on board the Dean Smith express and trust their decisions and I do think they're not that far away now from bringing home some silverware that we all crave.
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24 hours later and I still have a sore throat. Support last night was genuinely amazing and was constant throughout the game - a reflection of the effort the players put in.
I thought most had a good game. Archer grabs the headlines for a beautiful goal and I was impressed by my first sighting of the somewhat fragile Sanson but I really felt a glorious touch of arrogance and "I belong here" from Chukwuemeka. Some of our finishing was frustratingly poor, though Chelsea may possibly feel the same - hard to tell from back row of the upper tier how close some of their chances were.
Buendia still finding his feet - he is trying hard but I don't think he had a great game. I didn't see him at Norwich but read on here that he is very much a wide player who cuts inside, not a number 10.
Twice I've been to Chelsea in 10 days now and their vocal support has really deteriorated. They used to be a rowdy bunch, though still have noisy away support. Chatting on the tube to a couple who say they resent the number of corporate seats in the ground - "becoming like Arsenal". Any club which moves its traditional home end has some serious questions to ask about its attitude to the fan base.
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The Villa following came over very well on the stream I was watching with the exception of the jarring "F*** the Albion" which was out of place
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The Villa following came over very well on the stream I was watching with the exception of the jarring "F*** the Albion" which was out of place
That was aimed at Lukaku while he was warming up on the touchline
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It is that simple…what I’m saying is put youngsters on the bench but, keep a couple of the subs for a couple of experienced players, who may be able to affect the result. As far as I can see, most teams keep a couple of strikers on the bench, for these cup matches. Also, I’m at the wrong age in my life so, can’t wait for another 5/10 year project to pan out. Apologies.
I agree broadly with what your saying but I do think it's a bit of a damned if you don't damned if you do situation. We're getting that big squad together that we know we need and we also want to see the best of the kids given a go but only 15 of the squad can ever be used on a match day so someone always misses out and someone will always say why didn't they do this or that when we lose.But I'm still on board the Dean Smith express and trust their decisions and I do think they're not that far away now from bringing home some silverware that we all crave.
I think we could have had Ings and Luiz in the squad last night at the expense of Bogarde and the other Chukwuemeka personally. It would still have been a very youthful squad, but we could have used the older heads if required. Bogarde for example was never likely to get a run out, but having Ings on the bench at the very least would have meant another striker in the squad, which there wasn't last night.
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It is that simple…what I’m saying is put youngsters on the bench but, keep a couple of the subs for a couple of experienced players, who may be able to affect the result. As far as I can see, most teams keep a couple of strikers on the bench, for these cup matches. Also, I’m at the wrong age in my life so, can’t wait for another 5/10 year project to pan out. Apologies.
I felt like this when i saw the team/bench, but actually Edge is right its not that simple. Mainly because the subs who came on all played really well on the whole.
I had the misfortune of catching 2 minutes of Arry Redknapp on talkshite today and he patronisingly said our kids played well but chelsea over ran us 2nd half. Really!! Call me one eyed, but they had 5 maybe 10 minutes after they scored that looked like that and 5 minutes at the end. In between we equalised and created at least two if not three golden chances through brilliant football, to carve them open.
Dont get me wrong im closer to 50 than 40 now and i was still at bloody uni in my prime the last time we won anything, so im disappointed another cup in another year has gone, but i am also hugely full of optimism. I fancy us to beat those fuckers on Saturday as well
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Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Awful
Atrocious
Poor
Half-decent
1664 is also piss.
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Carling
Coors Light
Foster’s
Kronenbourg 1664
Awful
Atrocious
Poor
Half-decent
1664 is also piss.
It's the least bad of that selection, although admittedly that's damning with faint praise.
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Having to face five penalties will at least give us some practice for Saturday ;)
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Good point, though even the bent OT refs usually restrict their 'gifts' to one per game.
So proud of this performance, despite the bitter feeling of injustice at getting no rewards.
Just imagine, three years ago being disappointed that a Villa side containing several youth team players would go to the home of the European champs and ONLY get a draw, after having created the better chances!
Thanks, Deano. I'll never forget this!