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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2021, 12:32:11 PM
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Disappeared? Anyway, thread back.
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In before the lock.....
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I like the title.
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VARy good
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We'll start this after Chelsea.
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There you are, carry on.
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I hate this more than any other game. I'm thinking of going the pictures or somewhere it is frowned upon to look at a phone for two hours while it's on.
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Sky or BT?
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Neither. It isn't on telly, it has been brought forward to avoid a clash with a concert at the cricket ground. I'd imagine there will be streams.
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12:30 on a Saturday! My eldest lad has a match at home at 12:45, I'll be watching that instead.
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Apart from games against Blues, I can't think of any resounding victories we've had at 12.30. And even the Blues games were on Sundays.
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I feel like the early games are normally 1245 but notice that the televised match is also a 1230 start, so either it has changed recently or I've got mixed up as usual.
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Maybe a good thing it isn’t televised.
You know what happens, we wil be treated as cannon fodder In the pre wank match show, will perform better than expected, characterised as the plucky underdog give them a game but will ultimately get shafted, patronised and put in our place as a total irrelevance to the Sky order of things.
Fuck em
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I have a good feeling about this one. I think we’re going to FTF!!
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The title of this thread says it all.
Totally sick of dodgy pens and other invented crap on behalf of the refs against us up there.
So think we will put on another good performance like last night at Chelski in the cup but ultimately get fucked over somehow.
2-1 to them.
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I think last year summed it up perfectly when the ref was actually from Manchester. Don't even try and hide it now.
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What was worse? Fernandes fouling Konsa to get a penalty or Pogba fouling himself to get a penalty?
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What was worse? Fernandes fouling Konsa to get a penalty or Pogba fouling himself to get a penalty?
Pogba standard cheating, the Fanydes one was just outrageous
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We win here roughly once every 30 years so I don't think our time has rolled around again yet. A draw would be a fantastic result (unless it involves blowing a two goal lead)
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They’ve had a couple of penalty appeals go against them in their last2 games so, expect the ref to make up for that against us.
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This has all the hallmarks of another good performance/brave defeat unfortunately even before you factor in any poor officiating.
We need to convert our approach to points and I think we will, given time but maybe Sat is too soon. I'll be optimistic though.
2-2
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0-2.
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Mings will be considered shit, Ings and Watkins can't play together, not sure what Buendia adds to the team, Targett hasn't recaptured his form from last season and Smith is shit.
Konsa did well, and if only Bailey had been fit. Archer was unlucky with his chance.
Dean is a cockspanner, Ronaldo a twat, and Pigba a cheat.
There, that's the after match summary done.
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a clean sheet please Villa as we have goals in us....
I will not be looking at my phone until 3pm on Sat so hoping for very good news before I go on holiday.
UTV
The Doc
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Mings will be considered shit, Ings and Watkins can't play together, not sure what Buendia adds to the team, Targett hasn't recaptured his form from last season and Smith is shit.
Konsa did well, and if only Bailey had been fit. Archer was unlucky with his chance.
Dean is a cockspanner, Ronaldo a twat, and Pigba a cheat.
There, that's the after match summary done.
What about, I am really glad that we didnt make any substitutions even though both Mings hamstrings had gone and Konsa had to push him around the penalty area on a skateboard.
Nice touch from Mike Dean though to celebrate their third goal by running to the Stretford End bear chested and throwing his shirt into the crowd.
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3-0
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We win here roughly once every 30 years so I don't think our time has rolled around again yet. A draw would be a fantastic result (unless it involves blowing a two goal lead)
It's borderline match fixing our record against them.
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What was worse? Fernandes fouling Konsa to get a penalty or Pogba fouling himself to get a penalty?
Yes, but at least the PL came out two days after the Fernandes one and said they got it wrong.
Which obviously made everyone feel a lot better about being cheated.
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A scab 6 team with miserable barstool Fergie still pulling the strings of the officials in the stands ably abeited by var and the obligatory penalty (or two) all to massage the egos of the man Urinals makes this one of the least attractive fixtures of the season for me.
Good luck AVFC we're going to need it!
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A sense of inevitability has settled round me, and it's only Thursday. 3-1 to them. :'(
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We could be winning 2-0 going into injury time and they would still beat us
Hoping for a 1-1, but reality will be them 3 (2 pens and an offside goal all scored by Ronnie) the mighty VILLA 1
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I hate this more than any other game. I'm thinking of going the pictures or somewhere it is frowned upon to look at a phone for two hours while it's on.
I hate this fixture at Villa Park more than any other game. Away it feels par for the course to lose there (most teams historically do) and hurts far less, plus it's nearly always the home fixture that features
a) undeserved late comebacks
b) a winner / equaliser in injury time
c) dodgy decisions
Though last time at Old Trafford there was a dodgy pen, of course.
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We win here roughly once every 30 years so I don't think our time has rolled around again yet. A draw would be a fantastic result (unless it involves blowing a two goal lead)
Was the 1-0 under O'Neill the only time since I've been following the Villa, I wonder? (1977/8 ish)
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Zzzzzzzzzzz.
Main tactic of this must be to tell Luiz to stay the feck away from Pogba as soon as he gets 20 yards from goal.
I'd also start Hause and keep the back 3. May not work but Ronaldo so powerful in the air so why wouldn't you want another good aerial CB especially as he did well v Lukaku last night who's pretty good these days himself.
A boring 3-1 defeat as usual v these I'm sure.
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A draw there seems like a victory so would be quite happy to settle for a point. Think we will lose narrowly.
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We have had two good performances in Old Trafford the past two seasons. To be honest Grealish was unplayable both days but United can be easy to play against with their unbalanced midfield. I think we are well capable of getting a result and confidence should be high in the group following a very good performance last night. Definitely wouldn't be going overly defensive and we need to have three in midfield, so a hard decision on Ings v Watkins unless Watkins goes on left. Are we expecting McGinn, Sanson and Bailey to be out injured?
If so...
-----------Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett
Luiz, Nakamba, Ramsey
Traore, Watkins, Buendia/AEG
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It's almost certain that we'll help Sancho discover some form, that's what usually happens with us.
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I'm sick of this bollocks, and it ends here. 3 wins in 52 in the PL era is beyond a joke. 4 in 53 frankly won't be a whole lot better, but it's a step in the right direction.
We go two up within the hour, they pull one back, then, despite the best efforts of all involved in the manyoo cause, we break away to snatch a third, and I spend the next week slightly drunk.
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I see we’re doing the okie kokie again with our injuries for Saturday’s match. Bailey and Sansom out. Predicted return dates by me are Bailey for another 20 minutes cameo in around March 2022 and Sansom may not come back until his contract expires.
The alternative is, send them both to Man City and they will both be ready to play this weekend. A man we once knew with perpetual Shinsplints problems seems to have had no reoccurrence since his move.
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Was very impressed with our defence against Chelsea. Hause didn’t look like a 3rd choice centre back and Tuanzebe more than held his own. I suppose we have to overlook the fact that Werner sneaked in between the centre backs for the goal a bit, but Villa looked pretty solid at the back. I was thinking day before the game Werner would probably score because of our established charitable approach to strikers who really need a goal. Well we went to ‘the bridge’ and went one better than last time, so really hope we go up there and do an absolute smash and grab. We’ve got the players now where it’s not just pick your best, fit, first eleven and hope for the best.
Yes we’ll more than likely lose,but if that does happen, hopefully it will be down to the the ref being shit/ biased as usual than us getting twatted by a better side. This Villa squad team is really looking like it is developing into something a bit special.
Almost be tempted to play as many of the youngsters as we can. Someone said Buendia is looking like the academy player trying to break through and the kids all look like they belong. I mostly agree. Not writing Buendia off at all, I just think the young players have developed a lot quicker than we may have hoped or really expected at this point.
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We are going to have a proper go at them and who knows if the ref cracks down on Ronaldo's antics, and Fernandes's antics and Pogba's antics then we might have a chance.
2-2.
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I hate the red filth and this fixture is my most hated one of every season. As lots have said before, we know exactly what will happen and whoever the referee is they'll still give a dodgy penalty because Ronaldo's histrionics will prevail.
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We are going to have a proper go at them and who knows if the ref cracks down on Ronaldo's antics, and Fernandes's antics and Pogba's antics then we might have a chance.
2-2.
You do know it’s Mike Dean don’t you.
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I think last year summed it up perfectly when the ref was actually from Manchester. Don't even try and hide it now.
You mean he follows €iteh? ;D ;D ;D
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, and I spend the next week slightly drunk.
I think you peaked a bit early on that one!
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I feel slightly confident about this game. I’m thinking a1-1 or 2-2. This is possibly my favourite fixture, probably because the first time I saw them was the 1971 LC semi final, the biggest match I’d been to up until then. It just reeks of Big Match
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I don’t think I’ll ever get over sitting in the Stretford End the day they beat us in the 95th minute when we were winning with less than 5 to play. This will of course change on Saturday when we’ve shoved it right up ‘em.
Them 1 Us 2.
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We win here roughly once every 30 years so I don't think our time has rolled around again yet. A draw would be a fantastic result (unless it involves blowing a two goal lead)
Four wins there in the last 91 years.
A sprinkling of draws in there but the rest we either lay down and died, were just crap at the time anyway, couldn't see out the 90 mins plus fergie time, or quite often they have cheated.
Dec 2009 Won 1-0 Agbonlahor
Nov 1983 Won 2-1 Withe(2)
Dec 1954 Won 1-0 Dixon
Aug 1930 Won 4-3 Pongo all 4
https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Manchester%20United/
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I feel slightly confident about this game. I’m thinking a1-1 or 2-2. This is possibly my favourite fixture, probably because the first time I saw them was the 1971 LC semi final, the biggest match I’d been to up until then. It just reeks of Big Match
December 1970, IIRC
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manure win.
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We should have a guess the minute they get a penalty competition.
67 min.
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My first ever game was up there in feb 82, lost 4-1. I was 8 and cant really remember it, other than i got car sick all the way up.
3-2 Villa (watkins, Bailey, McGinn).
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
McGinn
Ramsey
Watkins
Ings
Bailey (or if not fit Traore, who will score instead of Bailey)
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I’d settle for Ashley Young coming on as a sub in the 95th minute and taking a blatant and outrageous dive to win us a penalty that AEG slots for a 1-0 win.
That’ll do nicely.
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I hate that poisonous lot and the circus that surrounds them with a passion that borders on psychotic. When I watched that BBC/MUTV documentary about the first Premier League season even Mrs. VV got fed up with me shouting c**ts at the telly every 30 seconds and turned it off "before you have a heart attack or the neighbours call the police" she said. Anyway, to the subject in hand: 1-1 Lochead to put us 1-0 nil up Kidd with the equaliser.
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We'll be all over them until their penalty award. Usual story.
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They’ll win. Next.
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Every year closer to a win 1:3
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My first ever game was up there in feb 82, lost 4-1. I was 8 and cant really remember it, other than i got car sick all the way up.
My first ever away game was up there in Jan '83 when we lost 3-1. I was 12 and in the Stretford End with my 'Brummie Red' older cousin. My main memory is jumping up and cheering when Cowans scored a penalty and my none too happy cousin complaining I was going to get us 'killed'. :)
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I feel slightly confident about this game. I’m thinking a1-1 or 2-2. This is possibly my favourite fixture, probably because the first time I saw them was the 1971 LC semi final, the biggest match I’d been to up until then. It just reeks of Big Match
It used to - esp at VP.
They used to see it as a big game as well.
But this fixture lost its lustre for me many moons ago.
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Genuinely lost a level of optimism with Bailey out. Thought he was going to either keep Wan-Bissaka cowering in his own half or attack the acres left behind Luke Shaw. Feel like that's a big weapon we've lost there.
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Ok can get something positive here.
Watkins and Ings combo working to counter the threat of Man Utd attack.
No Tuanzebe so maybe no 3 at the back or do we have Hause or Targett to come in?
Young wing back ?
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Big no to Young in my opinion.
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Ok can get something positive here.
Watkins and Ings combo working to counter the threat of Man Utd attack.
No Tuanzebe so maybe no 3 at the back or do we have Hause or Targett to come in?
Young wing back ?
This might be the worst idea of all time.
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May be best if Dean gives them the obligatory penalty at kick off, so we know where we are and can get on with chasing the game.
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They'll win.
I hope we line up as a 4-3-3
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz Nakamba Ramsey
Traore Ings Watkins
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FTF! C U next time suckers!
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FTF! C U next time suckers!
WE WILL FUNERAL THEM
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I think we will give them a good game, but ultimately they will have too much for us. With Leon out and Emi not quite there yet, we may just lack that cutting edge and creativity.
Whatever happens, I hope our fans make it as uncomfortable for Ronaldo as possible. The Der Spiegel (https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/cristiano-ronaldo-new-documents-emerge-in-rape-allegations-a-1241349.html (https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/cristiano-ronaldo-new-documents-emerge-in-rape-allegations-a-1241349.html)) article from a few years ago is quite shocking, and the fact that this never gets mentioned by the press, who instead laud him as some superhuman, is particularly distasteful. Apologies for bringing this up off topic.
Anyway, I really hope we beat them. For so many reasons.
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"We're due to give someone a thrashing"©...please let it be tomorrow...and in Villa's favour.
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We WILL win this (i hope)
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Unfortunately;
Manchester United 3-1 Aston Villa
Alleged Sex Offender (5,90+2) Watkins (50)
Lurch from Addams Family (90+4)
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OGS says Man Utd are not great against a low block
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OGS says Man Utd are not great against a low block
Scatter the pitch with Lego
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I really do dislike him and them:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/24/solskjaer-blames-klopp-comments-for-manchester-united-lack
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Yup, that did make me laugh. The rolling feed said something like: "the tinfoil of his hat glittering". Like UTD have ever struggled to win a penalty! Hopefully it will negatively impact the ref and maybe Fernandes won't win one tomorrow, which'd be a nice change! Anyone going to The Courteeners gig? Thought not, they're shit.
Oh and an unlikely 3-3 scoreline from me.
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Says it all really. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12414470/pl-predictions-back-a-man-utd-penalty-vs-villa
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(https://i.ibb.co/cvnmHxJ/Screenshot-20210924-192853.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cvnmHxJ)
What a corrupt load of bollocks this is, every fucker knows exactly whats going to happen.
Also Jones Knows is a stupid name.
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(https://i.ibb.co/cvnmHxJ/Screenshot-20210924-192853.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cvnmHxJ)
What a corrupt load of bollocks this is, every fucker knows exactly whats going to happen.
Also Jones Knows is a stupid name.
I don't see what the problem is with that to be honest. We're all saying the same thing anyway.
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I really do dislike him and them:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/24/solskjaer-blames-klopp-comments-for-manchester-united-lack
Klopp is right and we all know it. If I am not mistaken, in the time period Manure have had their last 40 penos, Liverpool have had 22.
Absolutely staggering hypocrisy from a horrible club.
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Three inevitables.
Death
Taxes
Losing to Man U.
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I really do dislike him and them:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/24/solskjaer-blames-klopp-comments-for-manchester-united-lack
Klopp is right and we all know it. If I am not mistaken, in the time period Manure have had their last 40 penos, Liverpool have had 22.
Absolutely staggering hypocrisy from a vile club.
Oh no I like him, the longer this charlatan of hobbit is in charge the longer they will suffer. ollie at the wheel !!
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Just have to stop lunging in really.
Luiz was very unlucky with the Old Trafford one but only have to see reaction from likes of Konsa when he kept on nibbling at Pogba in the VP game and eventually he goes down so own worst enemy in that situation.
Nothing much you can do if ball gets smashed from 5 yards and hits the hand, get the feeling that's the sort Dean will give tomorrow especially if it's second half and they're not winning even though not many of those have this season.
I would say on Dean, he's an attention seeker for sure but can't remember him f***ing us over as much as other refs in the past so may get a pleasant surprise from him, you never know.
At least it's not that joke one who sent off Ollie for diving when he was taken out which was ridiculous and certainly wouldn't happen if Man. United player was in that position.
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We win here roughly once every 30 years so I don't think our time has rolled around again yet. A draw would be a fantastic result (unless it involves blowing a two goal lead)
Four wins there in the last 91 years.
A sprinkling of draws in there but the rest we either lay down and died, were just crap at the time anyway, couldn't see out the 90 mins plus fergie time, or quite often they have cheated.
Dec 2009 Won 1-0 Agbonlahor
Nov 1983 Won 2-1 Withe(2)
Dec 1954 Won 1-0 Dixon
Aug 1930 Won 4-3 Pongo all 4
https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Manchester%20United/
I went in 1983.
Remember thinking OT wasn’t all that and the Stretford End looked nothing as big the Holte.
We had quite a few fans there not just the standing section they crammed us in. Most of the seats above seemed to be Villa.
The traffic back was awful. Pretty much stop start through Manchester and on the M6. Think it was bonfire night and the motorway was covered in smoke most of the way.
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Bailey's a big blow, still reckon we can get a point.
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The traffic back was awful. Pretty much stop start through Manchester and on the M6. Think it was bonfire night and the motorway was covered in smoke most of the way.
It's always bad with manure fans returning back home.
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Martinez
Mings
Hause
Konsa
Targett
McGinn
Dougie
Ramsey
Cash
Ings
Watkins
Let's smash these twats please. Just once.
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Just leaving to meet the other Bournemouth Lions. F..K Sky!!
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Just leaving to meet the other Bournemouth Lions. F..K Sky!!
What have Sky got to do with todays match? Its not on the telly box.
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Just grumpy at the early start....
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Early starts make you realise you're not 19 forever.
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One for the oldies, and, more than likely, Dave W.
Someone on another forum has said that the term ‘ManUre’, for Man Utd, derives from supporters mocking the victims of Munich. As in ‘your players are manure, rotting in the ground’
He went on to say West Brom fans sang it about Duncan Edwards.
I’ve never heard that before, and I’m in my 60’s, so I’m guessing it’s probably BS, but before I call him out on it I thought I’d ask on here.
Anyone sheds any light on how true this is.
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Utter bollocks.
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Early starts make you realise you're not 19 forever.
I see what you did there.
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One for the oldies, and, more than likely, Dave W.
Someone on another forum has said that the term ‘ManUre’, for Man Utd, derives from supporters mocking the victims of Munich. As in ‘your players are manure, rotting in the ground’
He went on to say West Brom fans sang it about Duncan Edwards.
I’ve never heard that before, and I’m in my 60’s, so I’m guessing it’s probably BS, but before I call him out on it I thought I’d ask on here.
Anyone sheds any light on how true this is.
I first heard that back around 2007 when I mentioned Man Yoo and got a "scolding" from a Crawley Red that I worked with at the time. I imagine it's only the serious die hards that get worked up about it or are aware of it as you encounter lots of their non attending supporters that refer to themselves as.following Man "U".
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One for the oldies, and, more than likely, Dave W.
Someone on another forum has said that the term ‘ManUre’, for Man Utd, derives from supporters mocking the victims of Munich. As in ‘your players are manure, rotting in the ground’
He went on to say West Brom fans sang it about Duncan Edwards.
I’ve never heard that before, and I’m in my 60’s, so I’m guessing it’s probably BS, but before I call him out on it I thought I’d ask on here.
Anyone sheds any light on how true this is.
Never heard that derivation; sounds like BS.
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One for the oldies, and, more than likely, Dave W.
Someone on another forum has said that the term ‘ManUre’, for Man Utd, derives from supporters mocking the victims of Munich. As in ‘your players are manure, rotting in the ground’
He went on to say West Brom fans sang it about Duncan Edwards.
I’ve never heard that before, and I’m in my 60’s, so I’m guessing it’s probably BS, but before I call him out on it I thought I’d ask on here.
Anyone sheds any light on how true this is.
Can they name the tune that accompanies said chant?
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It's the first I've heard of it, and I doubt Albion would sing about Duncan Edwards.
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We have slight chance as long as we don’t play AEG.
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We have slight chance as long as we don’t play AEG.
I reckon if he plays he'll score.
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One for the oldies, and, more than likely, Dave W.
Someone on another forum has said that the term ‘ManUre’, for Man Utd, derives from supporters mocking the victims of Munich. As in ‘your players are manure, rotting in the ground’
He went on to say West Brom fans sang it about Duncan Edwards.
I’ve never heard that before, and I’m in my 60’s, so I’m guessing it’s probably BS, but before I call him out on it I thought I’d ask on here.
Anyone sheds any light on how true this is.
Never heard that derivation; sounds like BS.
complete rubbish.
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Solskjaer moaning about how few penalties Man U get. Isn't there supposed to be a rule against influencing referees?
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Solskjaer moaning about how few penalties Man U get. Isn't there supposed to be a rule against influencing referees?
I will be amazed if they don’t get one today.
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Likewise. They've had one in the last three meetings.
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A friend sent me a meme last night that said "Ronaldo has confirmed that he will take the penalty tomorrow." Had to laugh because it's so true.
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The Aussie rules Grand Final has just kicked off. It had better be over by the Villa kick-off or the family will be kicking me out to watch our match on the tablet.
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It's the first I've heard of it, and I doubt Albion would sing about Duncan Edwards.
As I mentioned, Dave, I think it’s rubbish, too.
I thought it odd regarding Albion as I’d always thought Duncan Edwards was a Black Country hero.
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Just at OT after a bit of a big night out in Manchester. Feeling more than a bit rough to be honest.
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Just at OT after a bit of a big night out in Manchester. Feeling more than a bit rough to be honest.
Oh dear, Risso. I can think of better hangover cures...
Unless we win of course.
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The worst thing we can do is go 2.0 up in the second half.
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It's the first I've heard of it, and I doubt Albion would sing about Duncan Edwards.
His source was ‘Empire of the Kop’ in 2009!
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Solskjaer's comments are appalling. Reminds me of Whiskey face's comment when he said they'd watching the referee very closely. Horrible club.
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Solskjaer's comments are appalling. Reminds me of Whiskey face's comment when he said they'd watching the referee very closely. Horrible club.
Ahem. Alex Ferguson isn't Irish.
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The worst thing we can do is go 2.0 up in the second half.
Unless we score our 2nd in the 94th minute
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The worst thing we can do is go 2.0 up in the second half.
Unless we score our 2nd in the 94th minute
I'd still take a draw.
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Solskjaer's comments are appalling. Reminds me of Whiskey face's comment when he said they'd watching the referee very closely. Horrible club.
Ahem. Alex Ferguson isn't Irish.
Or from Kentucky. Well spotted.
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Solskjaer's comments are appalling. Reminds me of Whiskey face's comment when he said they'd watching the referee very closely. Horrible club.
Ahem. Alex Ferguson isn't Irish.
Or from Kentucky. Well spotted.
Unless of course he means "a bit like a whisk"
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5 at the back again ffs!! Lambs to the slaughter
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BOOOOOOOOO.
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5 at the back again ffs!! Lambs to the slaughter
Give it a rest.
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Can't see where the creativity is coming from in that line up. I just don't think two strikers works for us but I'd love to be proved wrong.
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We have slight chance as long as we don’t play AEG.
I reckon if he plays he'll score.
Ha! You honestly think we'll get a penalty against the Plastics? Madness.
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Have we got a match thread yet?
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Have we got a match thread yet?
Just started it.
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I like the title.
And depressingly appropriate.