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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: Flamingo Lane on September 20, 2021, 05:37:05 PM
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I wasn't sure which part of the forum to put this, but I've put it here, as in half an hour or so's time the programme will feature Villa v Wolves from 1979, with Andy Gray playing for Wolves just after signing for them from us. The 1-1 draw was a good one for us right then, as Ron Saunders was starting to put together the team that would go on to win the league and the European Cup the following two seasons, and this spirited performance at Wolves gave a good glimpse of the team's quality as it was taking shape.
Otherwise, I hope this thread can be used more generally for users to comment on what they've seen on the Big Match Revisited (currently to be viewed on ITV4 each weekday evening, usually just before 6pm).
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I love The Big Match Revisited and I have got my old man into it too now. It is real old school with the majority of games played on mud without a blade of grass in sight and some challenges that belong in a mixed martial arts contest going totally unpunished.
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I watch it every night, it’s ace. I love the grounds and advertising boards! Watching Spurs forest now, what was, is, tempo? I’m sure I should know.
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I watch it every night, it’s ace. I love the grounds and advertising boards! Watching Spurs forest now, what was, is, tempo? I’m sure I should know.
I too share your slightly strange fascination with the various advertising hoardings from the old days when people rented their tellies from Rumbelows.
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Wolves Villa tonight too, any ideas about Tempo?
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Wolves Villa tonight too, any ideas about Tempo?
A German car company apparently. But I was more interested in the challenge from Kenny Burns on Ricky Villa
that deserved three months in Winson Green ;D
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Love TBMR, everything about it. The awkward interviews, giving out people’s full addresses who wrote in.
We even lost to Leyton Orient the other day for crying out loud!
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Andy gray was a right twat tonight, he was my sign please hero as a youngster!
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Love TBMR, everything about it. The awkward interviews, giving out people’s full addresses who wrote in.
We even lost to Leyton Orient the other day for crying out loud!
The people's full addresses always amuses me. Also Brian Moore's rather condescending manner.
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TBMR is brilliant
Bad Pitches
Bad Fouls
Bad Haircuts
Short Shorts
Crowd swells
Old fashioned stands
Parka’s
Yippi Aye Eh sang a lot slower
No shirt sponsors
Primitively small dug outs
Managers Big leather coats
massive lapels
Passing ball back to goalie
Brian Moore
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You can get all these on the ITV hub as well as i keep missing them when their actually on. There was a brilliant one i watched from a few weeks ago, it was the opening day of the season in maybe our title year 81 or year after. It featured Kevin Keegan making his debut for Southampton against Man City, with a really bizarre pre match feature of him heading a ball in what looked like a school gym.
Even better after they showed liverpool beating Palace 3-0 (same old!) they actually had a young Kenny Sansom and Clive Allen in the studio afterwards, doing a really awkward interview about how it all went wrong for their palace. Brilliant stuff.
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Totally addicted, The good old days , when every goal scored by the away team was greeted with a chorus of;" You're gonna get your f***ing heads kicked in", from the home fans.
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Wolves Villa tonight too, any ideas about Tempo?
Thought it was a writing pen
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One of the really enjoyable aspects of the programme is being able to watch players who we came to admire as Villa players, when they were playing for other teams, usually earlier in their careers. Given how many times he's been shown recently playing in goal for Arsenal, I was thinking the programme could easily have been titled Jimmy Rimmer Revisited, and I've recently also enjoyed seeing a very young Tony Morley playing in a No 8 shirt for Preston alongside a very less than young Nobby Stiles and Bobby Charlton (wearing No 11), and also Alex Cropley playing for Arsenal, and Alan Little for Southend.
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I’ve got Season 6 recording (Saturday mornings) but haven’t watched any yet. Are any of the first 4 episodes worth watching yet? (ie do they feature any Villa games)
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TBMR is brilliant
Bad Pitches
Bad Fouls
Bad Haircuts
Short Shorts
Crowd swells
Old fashioned stands
Parka’s
Yippi Aye Eh sang a lot slower
No shirt sponsors
Primitively small dug outs
Managers Big leather coats
massive lapels
Passing ball back to goalie
Brian Moore
Fully uniformed police constables diligently patrolling the touchline, and occasionally acting as auxiliary ball boys as and when an opportunity presented itself.
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Brian Moore didn't hold back in the interviews either. Stan Bowles and Charlie George were asked questions more or less why they were acting like twats seeking transfers. Brilliant stuff.
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Quite good watching these as I usually don't know the score. Also, I like trying to see which players I know.
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TBMR is brilliant
Bad Pitches
I know the Baseball Ground was notorious for its bad pitch but there was a Derby game on a few weeks ago that looked like it was at the Somme.
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Quite good watching these as I usually don't know the score. Also, I like trying to see which players I know.
To my shame I'm more familiar with the players featuring on TBMR than I am the modern PL squads.
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The Big Match was the London area programme so is very London-centric. If they could dig out any Star Soccer recordings there would be far more Villa coverage. I would imagine most of those tapes would have been wiped and re-used though.
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I love watching The Big Match plenty of nostalgia they brought a DVD out of Aston Villa on The Big Match I have it at home.
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I'll never forget that wolves match when Gray scored against us early on. I was ejected from the ground but as it was such an early goal and fans were still outside the turnstile I paid to get back in.
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In most games you can hear crowds singing “you will never walk alone”
Watch the BMRV every night - loved the Ormsby / Richards flare up, remember being their amongst the thousands of Villa fans
Can’t imagine Ronaldo playing on some of those pitches every week
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In most games you can hear crowds singing “you will never walk alone”
Watch the BMRV every night - loved the Ormsby / Richards flare up, remember being their amongst the thousands of Villa fans
Can’t imagine Ronaldo playing on some of those pitches every week
Yep we all sang it
I was watching spurs v Chelsea (1975) the other night
relegation battle can you believe
When Alfie Conn got the second the Spurs fans were all singing YNWA
my kids couldn’t believe it
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the Gary Shaw goal against Wolves was pretty special - as was Andy's miss.
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The tackle by Kenny Burns on Ricky Villa in the game before was a shocker! Just a yellow card!
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Totally forgot about this. Just looked to record it and the 1st episode that appears from 74-75 is a Div 2 match between Man Utd and the mighty Leyton Orient. I wonder what happened to those two?
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I saw a bad tackle on TBMR of which there are many to be fair
A player went into a tackle both feet off the ground proper scissored in, took out both legs of the opposing player right off the ground as he was bundled over by the touchline
Ball went out for a throw in
No foul was given, commentator never even mentioned it, opposing player just got up and carried on
This would have been a 100% red card today
I can’t remember that many more injuries back in the day,
I mean some of the tackles are horrendous yet I don’t remember loads of players getting injured all the time or is my memory playing tricks
I mean a famous team won the league by using only 14 players once
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Shocking for my generation to see things like handball on the goal line not being even a card (as in Norwich in the League Cup Final 1975 and I think Argentina in the 1978 World Cup).
Also players like Ken Burns, that seemed to have no interest in playing the ball.
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Watching on +1 now, its Autumn 1979, and Crystal Palace stroll to a 2-0 win v Manchester City, with John Burridge in goal for Palace, signed from Villa, and Steve Daley (remember him?), playing for City having signed for a record fee from Wolves, and nicely demonstrating how awful he turned out to be.
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Sunderland have just gone 2-1 up at home to Chelsea. There don't seem to be many Chelsea there but you can bet that in thirty years time a hooliebook will say how they ran riot.
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Just caught up on yesterday's Wolves Villa highlights. Wolves 'legend' John Richards elbowing an 18 year old Brendan Ormsby right in the face with blood everywhere. Of course Ormsby got sent off for retaliating whilst Richards stayed on the pitch. Good to see the refs were impartial even then. Molineaux really was a shithole.
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Molineaux really was a shithole.
Think you might be mixing up the Wolves ground with a former leader of the UUP. ;)
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Just caught up on yesterday's Wolves Villa highlights. Wolves 'legend' John Richards elbowing an 18 year old Brendan Ormsby right in the face with blood everywhere. Of course Ormsby got sent off for retaliating whilst Richards stayed on the pitch. Good to see the refs were impartial even then. Molineaux really was a shithole.
Was a shithole?
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Richards was sent off as well when he got up.
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Just caught up on yesterday's Wolves Villa highlights. Wolves 'legend' John Richards elbowing an 18 year old Brendan Ormsby right in the face with blood everywhere. Of course Ormsby got sent off for retaliating whilst Richards stayed on the pitch. Good to see the refs were impartial even then. Molineaux really was a shithole.
I got my 11 year old to watch that with me last night, he couldnt work out why there was a huge mudbank on one side of the ground, brilliant.
Brendan Ormsby went to Ladywood Comp with my sister, she remains distant friends with his wife to this day, unfortunately hes been in very poor health for a number of years
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I brought a Big Match DVD featuring Villa games from the Villa shop a few years ago.
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Molineux always seemed to be stuck in the fifties. Circa 1979 we won three- or four-nil there on a horrible murky afternoon and as the fog rolled in it was like going back in time. You half-expected to see trolley buses on the way out.
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Try this for a theme tune - it’s got Sunday Dinner written all over it.
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Sunday lunch, then Star Soccer then off over the park to play football
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Sunday lunch, then Star Soccer then off over the park to play football
Surely you mean Sunday dinner? :)
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Bukta,now that’s a proper blast from the past
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Try this for a theme tune - it’s got Sunday Dinner written all over it.
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Crossroads
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Try this for a theme tune - it’s got Sunday Dinner written all over it.
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Crossroads
I absolutely love our kit colours in tha last clip. The claret was proper claret and and the light blue was so vivid. Bring it back please Villa. And B6 have a version of that ATV symbol from the opening credits which I think is brilliant.
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Beating Stoke 2-1 at Villa Park this afternoon, Mortimer with a screamer and Evans from the spot after Geddes had his goal ruled out and a penalty awarded. Stoke down to 10 men the filthy tramps.
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That game against Stoke featured Brian Little and Mike Pejic who would only play another 26 games of professional football between them. If you add in Gary Shaw and to a certain extent Ken McNaught that team must be one of the unluckiest in terms of career wrecking injuries.
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Dennis Mortimer's goal shown as goal of the day.
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I watched that 2-1 win v Stoke this evening on +1, what a treat to see Brian Little and Gary Shaw playing together, and Cowans, Little and Mortimer combining for a sublime goal.
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Beautiful play, wasn't it?
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I record them and watch at leisure
I’m on 1979 at the moment
Always nice to be reminded of -
Just how solid and brilliant Jimmy Rimmer was
The driving force that was Dennis Mortimer
Kenny Swain Probably the most gifted attacking wing back, Beautiful to watch
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I record them and watch at leisure
I’m on 1979 at the moment
Always nice to be reminded of -
Just how solid and brilliant Jimmy Rimmer was
The driving force that was Dennis Mortimer
Kenny Swain Probably the most gifted attacking wing back, Beautiful to watch
A few weeks back they showed a couple of games on the same show and they both featured goalkeeping cock ups from players that went on to play for Villa. Mervyn Day had a nightmare in a West Ham shirt (I can't recall the opponents) and the usually reliable Jimmy Rimmer had a nightmare in an Arsenal shirt against Leicester.
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Notice that we are on next Saturday morning - Leicester at home our championship winning season
some of the players who were playing in the 2nd division we’re absolute quality
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Having caught this thread, I'm now watching a cup tie between West Ham and QPR from 1975!
Looking back, I'm amazed they could even run on those pitches, let alone play football.
Several other immediate observations:
No overseas players.
No black players
Only one substitute per team.
Great atmosphere though.
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This Friday it's the FA Cup quarter final v West Ham from 1980, I'm not sure I'll be able to bear watching.
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This Friday it's the FA Cup quarter final v West Ham from 1980, I'm not sure I'll be able to bear watching.
that game was literally the closest I've come to tears about the result of a football match - alongside the Moscow Spartak injury time job.
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Having caught this thread, I'm now watching a cup tie between West Ham and QPR from 1975!
Looking back, I'm amazed they could even run on those pitches, let alone play football.
Several other immediate observations:
No overseas players.
No black players
Only one substitute per team.
Great atmosphere though.
Not if you were a black overseas sub !!! :D
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So we are on twice in the next 2 days - Cup quarter final - i honestly thought it was our year (West Ham were in the 2nd Division), to say I was gutted is an understatement
The 80-81 game against Leicester - if memory serves me correctly we can all enjoy a superb performance from Tony Morley
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I have no idea why I’m watching this. It’s the epitome of torture.
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Can ITV please loses the West Ham tape - please.
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Most intimidating experience of my life that day
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Horrible day. Thought we'd done enough to get a draw until the dodgy pen.
Definitely the most intimidating away day I've ever been on. Knew it would be as soon as I saw Police and stewards letting their fans into our end before kick off.
The one that got away as there were claret and blue ribbons on the FA cup that year.
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Yes, I was there that day and remember their fans being let in to our end, and without paying. There was an element of tension in the stand throughout the game but for someone who went away regularly at that time it wasn't too unusual. West Ham away was always one I attended with trepidation.
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Upton Park was the most intimidating away ground for me. My first visit was in 1988 as a teenager and we drew 2-2. I think we had gone two up but me and my mate were late getting into the ground so we only saw the two West Ham goals. The following year we played them in a League Cup tie and I was late getting there and was locked out so I just had to wander around the surrounding area for the duration of the game, which wasn't much fun.
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On now, or in a few minutes, Villa v Arsenal from November 1980.
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Hold the front page!!
Gary Shaw had three shots in the second half and only one of them was on target!
At least the game is on film so people will have to believe this incredible occurence.
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Gary Shaw certainly did not have his shooting boots on that day!
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We don't seem to do the business on The Big Match revisited. Orient/West Ham/Arsenal - we had some of our best results during the late 70's midweek and the only media which seemed to show night games were BBC1
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Upton Park was the most intimidating away ground for me. My first visit was in 1988 as a teenager and we drew 2-2. I think we had gone two up but me and my mate were late getting into the ground so we only saw the two West Ham goals. The following year we played them in a League Cup tie and I was late getting there and was locked out so I just had to wander around the surrounding area for the duration of the game, which wasn't much fun.
That night was the closest I’ve ever come to a serious crush at a game. People were climbing up into the rafters to escape it, and many were forced onto the perimeter of the pitch. I dread to think what would have occurred if there had been fences.
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Upton Park was the most intimidating away ground for me. My first visit was in 1988 as a teenager and we drew 2-2. I think we had gone two up but me and my mate were late getting into the ground so we only saw the two West Ham goals. The following year we played them in a League Cup tie and I was late getting there and was locked out so I just had to wander around the surrounding area for the duration of the game, which wasn't much fun.
That night was the closest I’ve ever come to a serious crush at a game. People were climbing up into the rafters to escape it, and many were forced onto the perimeter of the pitch. I dread to think what would have occurred if there had been fences.
League Cup quarter final in January 1989 - horrible night and a warning no-one heeded.
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Made the journey home that night in a PFB rental van that some West Ham fans decided to make some minor adjustments to , whilst we were stuck in traffic after the game . These included nail holes in the side of the van and no headlamps , which made for an interesting journey back to Brum ,
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Just watched us on the big match revisited lose to Spurs in our championship winning season
Good interviews after the game with Sid and Dennis
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Tonight they showed the goals from Leeds away in Dec. '76. The good guys won 3-1 with a brace from Andy Gray and the 3rd from Alex Cropley.
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Brian got up really well to set Andy up for his first goal.
I'd forgotten that Jake Findlay and Charlie Young played in this game.
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Brian got up really well to set Andy up for his first goal.
I'd forgotten that Jake Findlay and Charlie Young played in this game.
I remember Charlie Young also played in the 5-1 annihilation of Liverpool a few days later too. We were so dominant I can’t actually recall if Findlay was in goal.
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Are these games highlights shown on any particular channel ?
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Are these games highlights shown on any particular channel ?
ITV4, I think that some are on the ITV Hub too.
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We are on again this Saturday morning - Leicester (i think)?
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Tonight they showed the goals from Leeds away in Dec. '76. The good guys won 3-1 with a brace from Andy Gray and the 3rd from Alex Cropley.
Ace, I was about 8 hrs from birth at the end of that game
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Are these games highlights shown on any particular channel ?
Tap in 25 on your TV at 10:30am every saturday
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Enjoyed watching the match against Leicester on Saturday morning (did look to see if I could see myself behind the goal, brought back some fantastic memories), made me smile when Tony Morley scored and they put a virtual band aid across his mouth, as he was obviously having a few words to say at Mr. Saunders.
The Villa strip of that season is fantastic.
Notice we are on again this Saturday (Forest at home), if I remember correctly, we had lost to Ipswich the Wednesday before this match?
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You're right.
"Do you want to bet against us?"
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You're right.
"Do you want to bet against us?"
love when I hear them words
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One of the more interesting non Villa games on next week as it features the Bosco Jankovic inspired Middlesbrough v Ipswich game which was a huge game for the history of our club. I saw it the night we won the league but never since as it’s not on YouTube etc, my memory may be playing tricks but I’m sure the Boro fans were chanting Villa!
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Good cross-header from Bosco near the end to ensure Villa's title. Looked like a fairly weakened team that Ipswich put out; perhaps they knew the writing was on the wall and were resting a few for the Uefa Cup final.
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I've got 50 episodes of this to go through.
Fantastic!
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We are on again this Saturday - Spurs away in the 1981 - 1982 season
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Saw the game on Saturday from 81-82 season Boro away 3-3 - Gary Shaw's goal was fantastic, but dont know what Sid was thinking with the back pass?
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10.35 this morning on ITV4, highlights of Aston Villa v Manchester City from 1981.
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10.35 this morning on ITV4, highlights of Aston Villa v Manchester City from 1981.
I think its likely to be the 3-3 draw with Man Utd in 1981, its a typo on Sky.
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Yes, looks like it, the Man City game was in January.
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For anyone that enjoys watching old matches this is a decent Youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@classicfootballmatches6167/playlists
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Sadly, we seemed to have lost another channel some months ago.....the heavyroller....featured many matches including England
back in the 1950's and also a couple of Villa games in the early 1960's.
Rare to find any Villa material during that entire decade, probably the most notable was that home 2-6 caning versus Chelsea
in September 1966 with those Blue Submarine caterwauling cockneys massed in the Trinity Road paddock.
I think it was Tony Hateley's final game for us and his departure pretty much condemned us to an abysmally feeble relegation come season's end.
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We are on again this Saturday - away at Spurs - not a good one to watch
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We are on again this Saturday - away at Spurs - not a good one to watch
Only just got round to watching that. Wasn't one of our best days that season but incredibly windy weather didn't make for a cohesive game. Gary Shaw still oozed class nevertheless.
On the same programme was Manchester United against Ipswich. Watching that you realise how much we take for granted nowadays the quality of the pitches Premier League clubs play on. That was at Old Trafford in early Spring, not a non league ground in January yet the pitch was in shocking condition to play passing football.
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If you watch the Villa v Man Utd game after that they show Sheffield United -you want to see their pitch!!
It looked like the Baseball Ground in the mid 70s.
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Yes, the Blades' pitch was a real mud-heap.