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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: four fornicholl on September 19, 2021, 06:07:08 PM
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Plenty of changes and a dish best served cold.UTV.
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I added a poll.
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2-0
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Another Archer hat-trick, when's the Fourth Round draw?
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Think we might win it after ET or penalties and Tuchel won't care a jot.
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Play the best available team Dean. We need to win this.
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It’s our year.
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I think we're on the up but perhaps not that much.
0-2
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Id go with as strong a line up as possible, but we won’t.
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Think we might win it after ET or penalties and Tuchel won't care a jot.
No extra time before the semis.
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Think we might win it after ET or penalties and Tuchel won't care a jot.
No extra time before the semis.
After penalties it is then.
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Given the opposition i think Smith will have to go strong or face potential embarrassment, even against their reserves. However, with injuries from yesterday and Man u in mind, i also think he’ll use his squad.
Martinez
Cash
Tuanzebe
Mings
Young
Nakamba
Luiz
Ramsey
Buendia
Watkins
Traore
An unlikely 2-1 villa (Buendia, Watkins)
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Another Archer hat-trick, when's the Fourth Round draw?
That would be wonderful.
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It's odd but with the win on Saturday I think he's even more likely to pick a reserve team. Which would be a shame in my book.
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Steer
Tuanzebe
Konsa (c)
Hause
A Young
El Ghazi
Nakamba
Sanson
Buendia
Traore
Archer
Is what I'd go with. Or maybe start Watkins as he could do with a goal, bring Archer on when we've wrapped it up.
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Steer
Tuanzebe
Konsa (c)
Hause
A Young
El Ghazi
Nakamba
Sanson
Buendia
Traore
Archer
Is what I'd go with. Or maybe start Watkins as he could do with a goal, bring Archer on when we've wrapped it up.
I'm getting quite bored of talking/thinking/reading about formations now, but that line-up looks like it'd fit beautifully into my favoured (and never-tried) 4-3-2-1, or indeed we could tweak to 4-3-1-2.
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I've written them that way just to break up the reading for my fellow posters. There is no formation, though. I've told them just to run around lots and enjoy themselves.
Freed from the shackles of footballing convention, they will win twelve-nil.
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Narrow defeat
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Steer
Tuanzebe
Konsa (c)
Hause
A Young
El Ghazi
Nakamba
Sanson
Buendia
Traore
Archer
Is what I'd go with. Or maybe start Watkins as he could do with a goal, bring Archer on when we've wrapped it up.
This.
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Archer or ings to start
Buendia needs to start too
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Need to go for it I reckon so play our strongest team. They obviously have their priorities elsewhere and they looked vulnerable against us at times. Realistically with the Mancs/VAR away next this is the most winnable game for us. A lot of PL teams still in it but only 4 games from a final after this.
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clean sheet please Villa as we do have goals in us...
UTV
The Doc
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2-0 to them. Hate it and hope I’m wrong
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I think, if Bailey’s leg is ok, this is an ideal match to get him up to speed in.
I can see us playing a slightly stronger team - I would have thought Buendia will get a run out too.
I’d go with Bailey, Archer, Buendia as a front 3 type formation
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It’s a difficult decision for the manager because let’s face it we’ve got a chance of winning this cup with the squad and team we have now
Personally I’d play the best team we could as we won’t get anything out of Man United at the weekend because it’s Man United and we mostly never do
But managers don’t do that anymore and if they make it through a few rounds through more luck than judgement then take it seriously at the semi-final stage as we have done before
So he won’t play the first team (whatever that is) but I’m hoping for a strong team
We need to end this 25 year long wait it’s getting ridiculous now
I’d take a bottom half finish without relegation but winning the carabao cup over a top half finish without European football and not winning it
Can you imagine Dean Smith the first manager to win a major trophy at Villa for 25 years
Let’s do it Dean
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I'm going for a 2-1 Villa win.
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It’s a difficult decision for the manager because let’s face it we’ve got a chance of winning this cup with the squad and team we have now
Personally I’d play the best team we could as we won’t get anything out of Man United at the weekend because it’s Man United and we mostly never do
But managers don’t do that anymore and if they make it through a few rounds through more luck than judgement then take it seriously at the semi-final stage as we have done before
So he won’t play the first team (whatever that is) but I’m hoping for a strong team
We need to end this 25 year long wait it’s getting ridiculous now
I’d take a bottom half finish without relegation but winning the carabao cup over a top half finish without European football and not winning it
Can you imagine Dean Smith the first manager to win a major trophy at Villa for 25 years
Let’s do it Dean
Gets my vote.
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I’d take a bottom half finish without relegation but winning the carabao cup over a top half finish without European football and not winning it
Can you imagine Dean Smith the first manager to win a major trophy at Villa for 25 years
Let’s do it Dean
This for me aswell, the Cups should be our number 1 priority this season.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Hause Targett
Buendia Nakamba Ramsey
Traore Archer El Ghazi
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Hause Targett
Buendia Nakamba Ramsey
Traore Archer El Ghazi
I would go the same but swop Konsa out for Tuanzebe. He can't play against his parent club. It's not worth risking Konsa.
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Given the opposition i think Smith will have to go strong or face potential embarrassment, even against their reserves. However, with injuries from yesterday and Man u in mind, i also think he’ll use his squad.
Martinez
Cash
Tuanzebe
Mings
Young
Nakamba
Luiz
Ramsey
Buendia
Watkins
Traore
An unlikely 2-1 villa (Buendia, Watkins)
Solid team...Sanson still not even making our matchday squad. If he was fit then it could be a game to give Ramsey a breather.
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Should I be concerned I haven’t had my tickets yet ?
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Steer
Cash Konsa Hause Young
Luiz Nakamba Ramsey
Buendia Watkins Bailey
I want to win it bit think the league cup should be for your back up keeper.
Buendia just edges above Traore for his defensive work. If Bailey isn't fit to start then ElHhazi gets a run.
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Cash, Targett, McGinn and Bailey all listed as doubtful. Makes me think we will play 4 at the back and Axel or Konsa at RB. Maybe Hause to start with Mings or Konsa getting a rest.
Chucky and JPB likely out and Sanson lost in the Bermuda Triangle.
Oh and obviously Keinan and Trezeguet out.
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I’m torn on this one…I want us to go for the win with a strong team, but it’s a squad game and players need game time. I see no reason why Martinez and Buendia shouldn’t start having been away for a few weeks, but any player with a minor injury such as SJM and Bailey should be left out.
Martinez
Axel
Konsa
Hause
Young
Nakamba
Sanson (or Ramsey)
Buendia
AEG
Traore
Archer
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We've now got a strong enough squad that even a "weakened" team should be a lot stronger than in previous years and capable of giving Chelsea a game, assuming they don't put out their full first team as well.
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It's also a good sign that the players have embraced the new ideas and are keen to put them into practice.
Can just imagine what response he'd had if he'd been appointed under Remi Garde with the shithouses we had at that time.
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It's also a good sign that the players have embraced the new ideas and are keen to put them into practice.
Can just imagine what response he'd had if he'd been appointed under Remi Garde with the shithouses we had at that time.
Yes, I'd add some extra flour though, just to thicken the mix.
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It's also a good sign that the players have embraced the new ideas and are keen to put them into practice.
Can just imagine what response he'd had if he'd been appointed under Remi Garde with the shithouses we had at that time.
Yes, I'd add some extra flour though, just to thicken the mix.
How in God's name have managed to post that here and not in the correct thread?
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yeah and let it simmer for 30 minutes to allow the flavours of the dish to infuse.
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This thread’s turning into a right dog’s dinner
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I'd go with cornflour in all honesty...
I don't want to see Steer in the team, he's just not that good, as was clear in our last fixture against this mob. Otherwise go big or go home it's as simple as that.
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I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.
Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.
Martinez
Axel - Konsa - Hause
Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young
Ings - Watkins
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This thread’s turning into a right dog’s dinner
Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.
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This thread’s turning into a right dog’s dinner
Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.
As long as they winalot.
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This thread’s turning into a right dog’s dinner
Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.
As long as they winalot.
Nice on chum.
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Chelsea rent boys do slip up from time to time 0-3 the Villa and I find my back to the coach which is parked ages away on imperial road
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"Rent boys"?
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Chelsea rent boys do slip up from time to time 0-3 the Villa and I find my back to the coach which is parked ages away on imperial road
Or, Eukanuba , it would be quicker…..
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This thread’s turning into a right dog’s dinner
Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.
As long as they winalot.
Nice on chum.
That takes the biscuit.
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Can we get back on-topic, please?
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I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.
Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.
Martinez
Axel - Konsa - Hause
Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young
Ings - Watkins
I think we’ll go something like that, but rest a couple more league starters. Chuckwuemeka for Luiz say, maybe Archer for one of Watkins / Ings
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Can we get back on-topic, please?
Topic is a human chocolate, although dogs might like them I suppose.
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Can we get back on-topic, please?
Topic is a human chocolate, although dogs might like them I suppose.
Maybe Legion was being serious Pal
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The same sort of night as Randys free coaches I’m afraid.
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Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this. Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks. I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes. The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.
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Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this. Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks. I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes. The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.
To add to that, if one of them were to be injured as a result, we can at least switch to a lone striker, or bring on Archer/Traore/Buendia/Bailey etc.
We're geared up so much better this year.
Steer
Cash Tuanzebe Hause Young
Nakamba Chukwuemeka
Buendia
Traore Watkins AEG
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I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.
Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.
Martinez
Axel - Konsa - Hause
Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young
Ings - Watkins
Yeah stick with the formation that saw us lose three-nil rather than changing to the one that obliterated Everton 😳
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Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.
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I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.
Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.
Martinez
Axel - Konsa - Hause
Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young
Ings - Watkins
Yeah stick with the formation that saw us lose three-nil rather than changing to the one that obliterated Everton 😳
Regardless of formation I wouldn't want to see Traore with such heavy defensive responsibilities unless we're 6-0 up.
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Chelsea rent boys
We're not really all that into homophobic bullshit here. So no more of it please.
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Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this. Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks. I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes. The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.
Watkins looks in need of football but I'd give Ings a break for sure.
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I'd hope none of our non-internationals are in need of a break. We've played two games since their last fortnight off from first team duties, and we've got just two more weekend fixtures until their next one.
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With a couple of exceptions for those who’ve been playing internationals in South America or winning gold medals I think most would benefit from more competitive game time together to work on cohesiveness so hope we avoid wholesale changes.
Nailed on for eleven changes now.
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Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.
Cup games not meaningful ?
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Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this. Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks. I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes. The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.
Yes, would agree with that. All of the players in the teams playing in Europe will play loads more games this season, and yes add in the international breaks will give most of ours a break as well. The likes of Ings, Watkins, Cash, Young, Targett, Ramsey, Konsa and Mings should not really need to be rested at all.
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Martinez
Cash Tuanzebe Hause Young
Nakamba Sanson
Traore Buendia El Ghazi
Watkins
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Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.
What a load of old shite.
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From the training photos seems that Carney and JPB might be getting back to fitness which is good news. Might be too early to see them tomorrow but great if they could feature in some capacity
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Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.
What a load of old shite.
Absolutely. I cannot understand it at all
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Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.
What a load of old shite.
I hope that's the attitude of Chelsea, as if we play like we did the other week, but tighten up proficiency in both boxes, then we have a chance.
The idea that we shouldn't care about winning a trophy is mind boggling.
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Happy to take Lovejoy's Final ticket off his hands.
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We should always take all cup games seriously. We have a great history with the League Cup and let’s go for it. It will be a tough ask but I’m very happy with the way we’ve played in the last two games and we can beat these.
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Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.
I’ll never understand the modern psyche that they’re not important.
Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, “I can’t imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.
Trophies. That’s what it’s all about, for me.
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What I hope happens
is we play a slightly weaker side to save players for Man Utd but still be enough to get by a weaker Chelsea team,
Then go to Old Trafford with our top players rested and come home with some sort of positive result
What I think will happen
is we will play a side that will put up a reasonable show but ultimately won’t be strong or good enough to beat a second string Chelsea
Then turn up at Old Trafford with all our best players rested and lose again
Sorry for the gloom but hope is all I have
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Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.
I’ll never understand the modern psyche that they’re not important.
Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, “I can’t imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.
Trophies. That’s what it’s all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
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Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.
I’ll never understand the modern psyche that they’re not important.
Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, “I can’t imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.
Trophies. That’s what it’s all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
Completely agree, would love to see us win a throphy again, or to see us win the FA Cup for the first tim in 60 odd years - think leicester last year showed what it can mean. These plastic clubs can keep there 4th places - I'd swap the FA cup.
100% think the way forward to making football less of a closed shop is making the FA Cup and League Cup have Champions League places
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Probably because they have no experience of what it feels like to win one. You’d have to be 30 to have any real memory of our last cup win. That must be the longest gap in our history.
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It isn't. 1920-1957 holds the record, though it is quite close if you count seasons rather than years as the cup was cancelled between 1939/40 and 1945/46 while the league didn't return until 1946/47.
There DEFINITELY was not a league in 1945/46 and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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Is our former great Barks likely to make an appearance ?
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If he does, can we avoid any jinxy comments, please. Toronto Villa is a regular culprit. Feel free to slag him off after the game (RB, that is, not TV).
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Barkley's the type of cnut who would scored tomorrow night and then run to the Villa fans and cup his big ears.
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Wonder what strength team Chelsea will play??
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Reckon we should play a 6-4 formation.
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Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.
I’ll never understand the modern psyche that they’re not important.
Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, “I can’t imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.
Trophies. That’s what it’s all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
Before we get so morally superior, think back eighteen months to our last final appearance and how many comments there were on here about distractions and rather lose the semi than a league match.
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I'd prioritise winning something over anything else, but I'd rather get knocked out in the fourth round than get beat in the final.
I appreciate that that's not a decision that's available to made at this juncture, so plough on through to that final, boys.
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Wonder what strength team Chelsea will play??
Looking at their squad, I'd guess a very strong one even with Man City at the weekend.
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If we’re being realistic, we’re not going to win the league and not make the top 6 either. So, why not have a go at the cups this season? Nothing to lose.
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If we’re being realistic, we’re not going to win the league and not make the top 6 either. So, why not have a go at the cups this season? Nothing to lose.
I think top 6 is achievable. Fair enough, the chances of us displacing either of the Manc clubs, Liverpool or Chelsea is quite remote, and catching up Leicester would be a remarkable achievement ... but I don't think we're that far behind Spurs/West Ham/... now.
Tho I agree we should have a go at the cups. I don't get why any team in the 7th-14th place bracket wouldn't go all out for them.
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Wonder what strength team Chelsea will play??
It sounds as though Tuchel intends to make quite a few changes with the early kick-off against Man City in mind. This still means internationals like Chilwell coming in but also bang average ones like Loftus-Cheek.
I hope we put out a strong team because we can win this game.
The League Cup has provided some of my best moments as a Villa fan. Let's give it our best shot.
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Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.
I’ll never understand the modern psyche that they’re not important.
Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, “I can’t imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.
Trophies. That’s what it’s all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
I lived in Leicester in early 90s when Brian Little was manager and tickets were plentiful for league games but distinctly recall popping to ground a few days before to nab a couple for a game v Bristol City in FA Cup 4th round. Sold Out.
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The league cup was always a bit after the Lord Mayors Show. I am more bothered about how they have completely undermined the FA Cup.
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Tricky draw. I do like it going straight to pens straight after 90 minutes. We're a club that tends to do o.k historically in them.
Would expect AEG, Traore and Buendia all to start tonight so would have those three behind Ollie and see how it looks. Shows how much more depth we have this year when you think three of those didn't start in the league.
Looking forward to it. Chelsea will rotate so think we have a good chance of going through if we score first.
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Well i hope we take it seriously for once even if we look like players are missing all over the place again. Saw the Liverpool game down the pub last night and that team Norwich put out was embarrassing. You're going down anyway. Why throw a chance for a trophy?
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I'd rather lose in the final than lose in this round. For one thing, it would mean we beat Chelsea.
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I think the FA Cup is easier to win now. The Sky 6 have got lots more on their plate in the latter stages of the FA Cup.
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I think the FA Cup is easier to win now. The Sky 6 have got lots more on their plate in the latter stages of the FA Cup.
Not really borne out by the list of winners in the last 20 odd years, with only three clubs (Portsmouth, Wigan, Leicester) winning outside of Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Still, our year this year etc.
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I'm looking to going to the game tonight I really hope we beat Chelsea.
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I think the FA Cup is easier to win now. The Sky 6 have got lots more on their plate in the latter stages of the FA Cup.
Not really borne out by the list of winners in the last 20 odd years, with only three clubs (Portsmouth, Wigan, Leicester) winning outside of Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Still, our year this year etc.
The last 8 years the League Cup has been won Man Citeh 6 times + Chelsea and Manure.
Not great.
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It is like everyone coasts to the semi finals & then if they find themselves still in it, then it gets serious. I include us in that.
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Is it on TV
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Is it on TV
Manchester United vs West Ham on Sky Sports…would imagine it’s on Hesgoals site
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TA
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I guess if you watch SSN you'll see the goals just after they're scored.
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I think this is on benin sports Australia for any aussies here
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Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.
I’ll never understand the modern psyche that they’re not important.
Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, “I can’t imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.
Trophies. That’s what it’s all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
Before we get so morally superior, think back eighteen months to our last final appearance and how many comments there were on here about distractions and rather lose the semi than a league match.
Well I wasn't one of them.