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Title: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: four fornicholl on September 19, 2021, 06:07:08 PM
Plenty of changes and a dish best served cold.UTV.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao cup pre match thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
I added a poll.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Legion on September 19, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
2-0
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 19, 2021, 07:05:54 PM
Another Archer hat-trick, when's the Fourth Round draw?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 19, 2021, 07:06:55 PM
Think we might win it after ET or penalties and Tuchel won't care a jot.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2021, 07:09:12 PM
Play the best available team Dean. We need to win this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Louzie0 on September 19, 2021, 07:21:17 PM
Itís our year.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Nev on September 19, 2021, 07:34:47 PM
I think we're on the up but perhaps not that much.

0-2
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: London Villan on September 19, 2021, 07:38:53 PM
Id go with as strong a line up as possible, but we wonít.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 19, 2021, 07:41:16 PM
Think we might win it after ET or penalties and Tuchel won't care a jot.


No extra time before the semis.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 19, 2021, 08:01:43 PM
Think we might win it after ET or penalties and Tuchel won't care a jot.


No extra time before the semis.

After penalties it is then.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2021, 09:34:46 PM
Given the opposition i think Smith will have to go strong or face potential embarrassment, even against their reserves. However, with injuries from yesterday and Man u in mind, i also think heíll use his squad.

Martinez

Cash
Tuanzebe
Mings
Young

Nakamba
Luiz
Ramsey

Buendia
Watkins
Traore

An unlikely 2-1 villa (Buendia, Watkins)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Legion on September 19, 2021, 09:47:08 PM
Another Archer hat-trick, when's the Fourth Round draw?

That would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 19, 2021, 10:14:44 PM
It's odd but with the win on Saturday I think he's even more likely to pick a reserve team. Which would be a shame in my book.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 19, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
Steer

Tuanzebe
Konsa (c)
Hause
A Young

El Ghazi
Nakamba
Sanson
Buendia
Traore

Archer

Is what I'd go with. Or maybe start Watkins as he could do with a goal, bring Archer on when we've wrapped it up.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 19, 2021, 10:26:16 PM
Steer

Tuanzebe
Konsa (c)
Hause
A Young

El Ghazi
Nakamba
Sanson
Buendia
Traore

Archer

Is what I'd go with. Or maybe start Watkins as he could do with a goal, bring Archer on when we've wrapped it up.

I'm getting quite bored of talking/thinking/reading about formations now, but that line-up looks like it'd fit beautifully into my favoured (and never-tried) 4-3-2-1, or indeed we could tweak to 4-3-1-2.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 19, 2021, 10:27:54 PM
I've written them that way just to break up the reading for my fellow posters. There is no formation, though. I've told them just to run around lots and enjoy themselves.

Freed from the shackles of footballing convention, they will win twelve-nil.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Pete3206 on September 19, 2021, 10:41:19 PM
Narrow defeat
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Legion on September 19, 2021, 10:42:27 PM
Steer

Tuanzebe
Konsa (c)
Hause
A Young

El Ghazi
Nakamba
Sanson
Buendia
Traore

Archer

Is what I'd go with. Or maybe start Watkins as he could do with a goal, bring Archer on when we've wrapped it up.

This.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Demitri_C on September 20, 2021, 05:39:27 AM
Archer or ings to start

Buendia needs to start too
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: sickbeggar on September 20, 2021, 06:15:21 AM
Need to go for it I reckon so play our strongest team. They obviously have their priorities elsewhere and they looked vulnerable against us at times. Realistically with the Mancs/VAR away next this is the most winnable game for us.  A lot of PL teams still in it but only 4 games from a final after this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Dr Butler on September 20, 2021, 08:11:56 AM
clean sheet please Villa as we do have goals in us...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Allan C on September 20, 2021, 08:26:37 AM
2-0 to them. Hate it and hope Iím wrong
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 20, 2021, 08:30:59 AM
I think, if Baileyís leg is ok, this is an ideal match to get him up to speed in.

I can see us playing a slightly stronger team - I would have thought Buendia will get a run out too.

Iíd go with Bailey, Archer, Buendia as a front 3 type formation

Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: john e on September 20, 2021, 09:01:32 AM
Itís a difficult decision for the manager because letís face it weíve got a chance of winning this cup with the squad and team we have now
Personally Iíd play the best team we could as we wonít get anything out of Man United at the weekend because itís Man United and we mostly never do

But managers donít do that anymore and if they make it through a few rounds through more luck than judgement then take it seriously at the semi-final stage as we have done before

So he wonít play the first team (whatever that is) but Iím hoping for a strong team
We need to end this 25 year long wait itís getting ridiculous now

Iíd take a bottom half finish without relegation but winning the carabao cup over a top half finish without European football and not winning it
Can you imagine Dean Smith the first manager to win a major trophy at Villa for 25 years
Letís do it Dean



Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: darren woolley on September 20, 2021, 09:48:57 AM
I'm going for a 2-1 Villa win.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Rigadon on September 20, 2021, 09:59:35 AM
Itís a difficult decision for the manager because letís face it weíve got a chance of winning this cup with the squad and team we have now
Personally Iíd play the best team we could as we wonít get anything out of Man United at the weekend because itís Man United and we mostly never do

But managers donít do that anymore and if they make it through a few rounds through more luck than judgement then take it seriously at the semi-final stage as we have done before

So he wonít play the first team (whatever that is) but Iím hoping for a strong team
We need to end this 25 year long wait itís getting ridiculous now

Iíd take a bottom half finish without relegation but winning the carabao cup over a top half finish without European football and not winning it
Can you imagine Dean Smith the first manager to win a major trophy at Villa for 25 years
Letís do it Dean





Gets my vote. 
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: LukeJames on September 20, 2021, 10:22:59 AM
Iíd take a bottom half finish without relegation but winning the carabao cup over a top half finish without European football and not winning it
Can you imagine Dean Smith the first manager to win a major trophy at Villa for 25 years
Letís do it Dean

This for me aswell, the Cups should be our number 1 priority this season.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Hause Targett
Buendia Nakamba Ramsey
Traore Archer El Ghazi
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: dicedlam on September 20, 2021, 11:35:50 AM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Hause Targett
Buendia Nakamba Ramsey
Traore Archer El Ghazi

I would go the same but swop Konsa out for Tuanzebe. He can't play against his parent club. It's not worth risking Konsa.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 20, 2021, 12:17:28 PM
Given the opposition i think Smith will have to go strong or face potential embarrassment, even against their reserves. However, with injuries from yesterday and Man u in mind, i also think heíll use his squad.

Martinez

Cash
Tuanzebe
Mings
Young

Nakamba
Luiz
Ramsey

Buendia
Watkins
Traore

An unlikely 2-1 villa (Buendia, Watkins)

Solid team...Sanson still not even making our matchday squad. If he was fit then it could be a game to give Ramsey a breather.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Lsvilla on September 20, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
Should I be concerned I havenít had my tickets yet ?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2021, 01:42:59 PM
           Steer
Cash Konsa Hause Young
 Luiz Nakamba Ramsey
 Buendia Watkins Bailey

I want to win it bit think the league cup should be for your back up keeper.

Buendia just edges above Traore for his defensive work.  If Bailey isn't fit to start then ElHhazi gets a run.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 20, 2021, 03:26:57 PM
Cash, Targett, McGinn and Bailey all listed as doubtful. Makes me think we will play 4 at the back and Axel or Konsa at RB. Maybe Hause to start with Mings or Konsa getting a rest.

Chucky and JPB likely out and Sanson lost in the Bermuda Triangle.

Oh and obviously Keinan and Trezeguet out.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: KRS on September 20, 2021, 03:57:42 PM
Iím torn on this oneÖI want us to go for the win with a strong team, but itís a squad game and players need game time. I see no reason why Martinez and Buendia shouldnít start having been away for a few weeks, but any player with a minor injury such as SJM and Bailey should be left out.


Martinez

Axel
Konsa
Hause
Young

Nakamba
Sanson (or Ramsey)
Buendia

AEG
Traore
Archer

Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2021, 04:00:40 PM
We've now got a strong enough squad that even a "weakened" team should be a lot stronger than in previous years and capable of giving Chelsea a game, assuming they don't put out their full first team as well.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2021, 04:19:53 PM
It's also a good sign that the players have embraced the new ideas and are keen to put them into practice.

Can just imagine what response he'd had if he'd been appointed under Remi Garde with the shithouses we had at that time.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2021, 04:47:13 PM
It's also a good sign that the players have embraced the new ideas and are keen to put them into practice.

Can just imagine what response he'd had if he'd been appointed under Remi Garde with the shithouses we had at that time.

Yes, I'd add some extra flour though, just to thicken the mix.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2021, 05:37:58 PM
It's also a good sign that the players have embraced the new ideas and are keen to put them into practice.

Can just imagine what response he'd had if he'd been appointed under Remi Garde with the shithouses we had at that time.

Yes, I'd add some extra flour though, just to thicken the mix.

How in God's name have managed to post that here and not in the correct thread?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: sickbeggar on September 20, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
yeah and let it simmer for 30 minutes to allow the flavours of the dish to infuse.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Fred Crump on September 20, 2021, 06:03:23 PM
This threadís turning into a right dogís dinner
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: DrGonzo on September 20, 2021, 06:04:55 PM
I'd go with cornflour in all honesty...

I don't want to see Steer in the team, he's just not that good, as was clear in our last fixture against this mob.  Otherwise go big or go home it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: algy on September 20, 2021, 06:06:58 PM
I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.

Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.


Martinez

Axel - Konsa - Hause

Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young

Ings - Watkins

Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: CT on September 20, 2021, 07:04:13 PM
This threadís turning into a right dogís dinner

Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2021, 07:15:51 PM
This threadís turning into a right dogís dinner

Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.

As long as they winalot.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: olaftab on September 20, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
This threadís turning into a right dogís dinner

Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.

As long as they winalot.
Nice on chum.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 20, 2021, 08:55:32 PM
Chelsea rent boys do slip up from time to time 0-3 the Villa and I find my back to the coach which is parked ages away on imperial road
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2021, 09:08:28 PM
"Rent boys"?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Fred Crump on September 20, 2021, 09:14:05 PM
Chelsea rent boys do slip up from time to time 0-3 the Villa and I find my back to the coach which is parked ages away on imperial road
Or, Eukanuba , it would be quickerÖ..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2021, 11:10:17 PM
This threadís turning into a right dogís dinner

Some of our lads definitely have the right pedigree.

As long as they winalot.
Nice on chum.

That takes the biscuit.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Legion on September 20, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
Can we get back on-topic, please?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Vegas on September 21, 2021, 06:48:25 AM
I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.

Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.


Martinez

Axel - Konsa - Hause

Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young

Ings - Watkins

I think weíll go something like that, but rest a couple more league starters. Chuckwuemeka for Luiz say, maybe Archer for one of Watkins / Ings
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Clampy on September 21, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
Can we get back on-topic, please?

Topic is a human chocolate, although dogs might like them I suppose.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Ian. on September 21, 2021, 07:26:08 AM
Can we get back on-topic, please?

Topic is a human chocolate, although dogs might like them I suppose.

Maybe Legion was being serious Pal
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2021, 07:30:04 AM
The same sort of night as Randys free coaches Iím afraid.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: chrisw1 on September 21, 2021, 10:41:08 AM
Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this.  Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks.  I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes.  The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.   
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this.  Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks.  I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes.  The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.

To add to that, if one of them were to be injured as a result, we can at least switch to a lone striker, or bring on Archer/Traore/Buendia/Bailey etc.

We're geared up so much better this year.

                 Steer

Cash Tuanzebe Hause Young

          Nakamba Chukwuemeka

               Buendia

Traore     Watkins       AEG
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2021, 11:18:41 AM
I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.

Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.


Martinez

Axel - Konsa - Hause

Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young

Ings - Watkins

Yeah stick with the formation that saw us lose three-nil rather than changing to the one that obliterated Everton 😳
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: lovejoy on September 21, 2021, 11:25:16 AM
Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 21, 2021, 11:25:28 AM
I think it's probably a good idea to rest a couple of players, but I'd generally prefer we tried to actually win the thing.

Go 3-5-2 since that almost yielded results last time.


Martinez

Axel - Konsa - Hause

Traore - Buendia - Nakamba - Luiz - Young

Ings - Watkins

Yeah stick with the formation that saw us lose three-nil rather than changing to the one that obliterated Everton 😳

Regardless of formation I wouldn't want to see Traore with such heavy defensive responsibilities unless we're 6-0 up.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Dave on September 21, 2021, 11:41:45 AM
Chelsea rent boys

We're not really all that into homophobic bullshit here. So no more of it please.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this.  Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks.  I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes.  The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.

Watkins looks in need of football but I'd give Ings a break for sure.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 21, 2021, 01:49:01 PM
I'd hope none of our non-internationals are in need of a break. We've played two games since their last fortnight off from first team duties, and we've got just two more weekend fixtures until their next one.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Matt C on September 21, 2021, 02:18:28 PM
With a couple of exceptions for those whoíve been playing internationals in South America or winning gold medals I think most would benefit from more competitive game time together to work on cohesiveness so hope we avoid wholesale changes.

Nailed on for eleven changes now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: john e on September 21, 2021, 02:43:36 PM
Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.

Cup games not meaningful ?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 21, 2021, 02:55:08 PM
Much as I'd like to see Archer etc I'd prefer us to have a proper go at winning this.  Players like Watkins & Ings should be capable of playing Sat - Wed - Sat, particulalry with all the international breaks.  I think a win and the momentum would be better for us as a club than giving the fringe players minutes.  The kids time will come - Smith has shown that if they are good enough he will back them.

Yes, would agree with that. All of the players in the teams playing in Europe will play loads more games this season, and yes add in the international breaks will give most of ours a break as well. The likes of Ings, Watkins, Cash, Young, Targett, Ramsey, Konsa and Mings should not really need to be rested at all.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: john2710 on September 21, 2021, 03:17:53 PM
Martinez
Cash Tuanzebe Hause Young
Nakamba Sanson
Traore Buendia El Ghazi
Watkins
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2021, 03:23:45 PM
Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.

What a load of old shite.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2021, 05:57:56 PM
From the training photos seems that Carney and JPB might be getting back to fitness which is good news. Might be too early to see them tomorrow but great if they could feature in some capacity
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Pete3206 on September 21, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.

What a load of old shite.

Absolutely. I cannot understand it at all
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Ads on September 21, 2021, 07:39:37 PM
Sack it off, rest key players for the meaningful league games to come.

What a load of old shite.

I hope that's the attitude of Chelsea, as if we play like we did the other week, but tighten up proficiency in both boxes, then we have a chance.

The idea that we shouldn't care about winning a trophy is mind boggling.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2021, 07:43:06 PM
Happy to take Lovejoy's Final ticket off his hands.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: colin69 on September 21, 2021, 08:15:53 PM
We should always take all cup games seriously. We have a great history with the League Cup and letís go for it. It will be a tough ask but Iím very happy with the way weíve played in the last two games and we can beat these.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: CT on September 21, 2021, 08:20:20 PM
Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.

Iíll never understand the modern psyche that theyíre not important.

Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, ďI canít imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.

Trophies. Thatís what itís all about, for me.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: john e on September 21, 2021, 08:48:04 PM
What I hope happens
is we play a slightly weaker side to save players for Man Utd but still be enough to get by a weaker Chelsea team,
Then go to Old Trafford with our top players rested and come home with some sort of positive result

What I think will happen
is we will play a side that will put up a reasonable show but ultimately wonít be strong or good enough to beat a second string Chelsea
Then turn up at Old Trafford with all our best players rested and lose again

Sorry for the gloom but hope is all I have
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on September 21, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.

Iíll never understand the modern psyche that theyíre not important.

Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, ďI canít imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.

Trophies. Thatís what itís all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Beard82 on September 21, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.

Iíll never understand the modern psyche that theyíre not important.

Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, ďI canít imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.

Trophies. Thatís what itís all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.
Completely agree, would love to see us win a throphy again, or to see us win the FA Cup for the first tim in 60 odd years - think leicester last year showed what it can mean.  These plastic clubs can keep there 4th places - I'd swap the FA cup. 

100% think the way forward to making football less of a closed shop is making the FA Cup and League Cup have Champions League places
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: London Villan on September 21, 2021, 09:07:43 PM
Probably because they have no experience of what it feels like to win one. Youíd have to be 30 to have any real memory of our last cup win. That must be the longest gap in our history.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2021, 09:14:49 PM
It isn't. 1920-1957 holds the record, though it is quite close if you count seasons rather than years as the cup was cancelled between 1939/40 and 1945/46 while the league didn't return until 1946/47.

There DEFINITELY was not a league in 1945/46 and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2021, 10:08:11 PM
Is our former great Barks likely to make an appearance ?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2021, 10:10:16 PM
If he does, can we avoid any jinxy comments, please. Toronto Villa is a regular culprit. Feel free to slag him off after the game (RB, that is, not TV).
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: eamonn on September 21, 2021, 10:18:50 PM
Barkley's the type of cnut who would scored tomorrow night and then run to the Villa fans and cup his big ears.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: TonyD on September 21, 2021, 10:24:31 PM
Wonder what strength team Chelsea will play??
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Monty on September 21, 2021, 10:29:15 PM
Reckon we should play a 6-4 formation.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 21, 2021, 10:33:20 PM
Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.

Iíll never understand the modern psyche that theyíre not important.

Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, ďI canít imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.

Trophies. Thatís what itís all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.


Before we get so morally superior, think back eighteen months to our last final appearance and how many comments there were on here about distractions and rather lose the semi than a league match.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 21, 2021, 10:38:06 PM
I'd prioritise winning something over anything else, but I'd rather get knocked out in the fourth round than get beat in the final.

I appreciate that that's not a decision that's available to made at this juncture, so plough on through to that final, boys.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 21, 2021, 10:50:06 PM
Wonder what strength team Chelsea will play??

Looking at their squad, I'd guess a very strong one even with Man City at the weekend.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Skerra on September 21, 2021, 10:59:34 PM
If weíre being realistic, weíre not going to win the league and not make the top 6 either. So, why not have a go at the cups this season? Nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: algy on September 21, 2021, 11:05:49 PM
If weíre being realistic, weíre not going to win the league and not make the top 6 either. So, why not have a go at the cups this season? Nothing to lose.
I think top 6 is achievable. Fair enough, the chances of us displacing either of the Manc clubs, Liverpool or Chelsea is quite remote, and catching up Leicester would be a remarkable achievement ... but I don't think we're that far behind Spurs/West Ham/... now.

Tho I agree we should have a go at the cups. I don't get why any team in the 7th-14th place bracket wouldn't go all out for them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 22, 2021, 08:54:15 AM
Wonder what strength team Chelsea will play??

It sounds as though Tuchel intends to make quite a few changes with the early kick-off against Man City in mind. This still means internationals like Chilwell coming in but also bang average ones like Loftus-Cheek.

I hope we put out a strong team because we can win this game.

The League Cup has provided some of my best moments as a Villa fan. Let's give it our best shot.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: rob_bridge on September 22, 2021, 10:38:38 AM
Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.

Iíll never understand the modern psyche that theyíre not important.

Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, ďI canít imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.

Trophies. Thatís what itís all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.

I lived in Leicester in early 90s when Brian Little was manager and tickets were plentiful for league games but distinctly recall popping to ground a few days before to nab a couple for a game v Bristol City in FA Cup 4th round. Sold Out.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 22, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
The league cup was always a bit after the Lord Mayors Show. I am more bothered about how they have completely undermined the FA Cup.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2021, 10:46:29 AM
Tricky draw. I do like it going straight to pens straight after 90 minutes. We're a club that tends to do o.k historically in them.

Would expect AEG, Traore and Buendia all to start tonight so would have those three behind Ollie and see how it looks. Shows how much more depth we have this year when you think three of those didn't start in the league.

Looking forward to it. Chelsea will rotate so think we have a good chance of going through if we score first.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: sickbeggar on September 22, 2021, 10:53:46 AM
Well i hope we take it seriously for once even if we look like players are missing all over the place again. Saw the Liverpool game down the pub last night and that team Norwich put out was embarrassing. You're going down anyway. Why throw a chance for a trophy?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2021, 11:06:58 AM
I'd rather lose in the final than lose in this round. For one thing, it would mean we beat Chelsea.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 22, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
I think the FA Cup is easier to win now. The Sky 6 have got lots more on their plate in the latter stages of the FA Cup.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
I think the FA Cup is easier to win now. The Sky 6 have got lots more on their plate in the latter stages of the FA Cup.

Not really borne out by the list of winners in the last 20 odd years, with only three clubs (Portsmouth, Wigan, Leicester) winning outside of Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Still, our year this year etc.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: darren woolley on September 22, 2021, 12:12:58 PM
I'm looking to going to the game tonight I really hope we beat Chelsea.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 22, 2021, 12:46:30 PM
I think the FA Cup is easier to win now. The Sky 6 have got lots more on their plate in the latter stages of the FA Cup.

Not really borne out by the list of winners in the last 20 odd years, with only three clubs (Portsmouth, Wigan, Leicester) winning outside of Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Still, our year this year etc.
The last 8 years the League Cup has been won Man Citeh 6 times + Chelsea and Manure.
Not great.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: amfy on September 22, 2021, 01:40:30 PM
It is like everyone coasts to the semi finals & then if they find themselves still in it, then it gets serious. I include us in that.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Colhint on September 22, 2021, 03:53:20 PM
Is it on TV
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: KNVillan on September 22, 2021, 03:57:38 PM
Is it on TV

Manchester United vs West Ham on Sky SportsÖwould imagine itís on Hesgoals site
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Colhint on September 22, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
TA
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2021, 04:56:00 PM
I guess if you watch SSN you'll see the goals just after they're scored.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: Demitri_C on September 22, 2021, 06:01:36 PM
I think this is on benin sports Australia for any aussies here
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Carabao Cup pre match thread
Post by: martin o`who?? on September 23, 2021, 08:26:38 PM
Two realistic chances to win a trophy every season.

Iíll never understand the modern psyche that theyíre not important.

Always remember hearing a Wigan fan on the radio when asked would you rather have stayed up than win the FA Cup. He said, ďI canít imagine telling the grandkids all about the year we finished 17th - I will be able to tell them how we won the Cup at Wembley though.

Trophies. Thatís what itís all about, for me.
Totally agree. I think its possibly a generational thing but younger fans don't get anywhere near as misty-eyed about the cups as older fans do - the thought of playing weakened sides in FA Cup quarterfinals in front of half-full stadiums and reduced ticket prices would have been rightly unthinkable back in the day. No-one will EVER tell me the game is the better for it.


Before we get so morally superior, think back eighteen months to our last final appearance and how many comments there were on here about distractions and rather lose the semi than a league match.
Well I wasn't one of them.
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